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Group: S-Trains	Message: 46487	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Layin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46488	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Happy New Year, y'all...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46489	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: 2007 CNW Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46490	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: CNW Baldwin pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46491	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Fw: items for sale or trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46492	From: Timboy	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Rock Ledge Mountain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46493	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Hi all of you!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46494	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Hi all of you!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46495	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: FOR $ALE : AM Box Car - SAL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46496	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: SOLD!!! : AM Box Car - SAL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46497	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: FOR $ALE : AM Box Car - SAL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46498	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46499	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: 2007 CNW Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46500	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Hi all of you!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46501	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46502	From: beebear	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: CNW Baldwin pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46503	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: CNW Baldwin pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46504	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Using a Pike Master Crossover. It does not to look bad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46505	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Used SHS For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46506	From: beebear	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: CNW Baldwin pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46507	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: E-bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46508	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Used SHS For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46509	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Used SHS For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46510	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46511	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46512	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: TEST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46513	From: barb	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46514	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46515	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46516	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46517	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46518	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46519	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars (it's easy)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46520	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46521	From: hsjobbins@juno.com	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Used SHS For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46522	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Canawlers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46523	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: [Strains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46524	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: [Strains] Best AF instruction book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46525	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: [Strains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46526	From: roy inman	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Takin down the Trains, Jan 2, 2008-USKC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46527	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Used SHS For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46528	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Gilbert Arenas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46529	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Arenas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46530	From: barb	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Takin down the Trains, Jan 2, 2008-USKC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46531	From: barb	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Arenas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46532	From: ctbigboy	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: [Strains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46533	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Arenas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46534	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Arenas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46535	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46536	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Gilbert Arenas?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46537	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46538	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: [Strains] New by question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46539	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46540	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46541	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Arenas?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46542	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Arenas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46543	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Weight for PRS car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46544	From: John Simms	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: ?Subject= Re: [toytrains] Takin down the Trains, Jan 2, 2008-USKC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46545	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46546	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46547	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46548	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Cleaning Oil on paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46549	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: 1936 TRAIN CARTOON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46550	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46551	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1936 TRAIN CARTOON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46552	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Cartoon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46553	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/6/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46554	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Takin down the Trains, Jan 2, 2008-USKC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46555	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46556	From: roy inman	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Takin down the Trains, Jan 2, 2008-USKC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46557	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: 1936 TRAIN CARTOON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46558	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: 1936 train cartoon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46559	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: 1936 cartoon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46560	From: briggsmodels	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: New Briggs Models Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46561	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/6/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46562	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: New Briggs Models Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46563	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: UP Heavywieght Wiring problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46564	From: conehammer	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Where /how to stay current on Lionel Flyer releases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46565	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: UP Heavyweight wiring problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46566	From: roy inman	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Where /how to stay current on Lionel Flyer releases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46567	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Weight for PRS car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46568	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Weight for PRS car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46569	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Putt Trains lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46570	From: bkweidner	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Putt Trains lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46571	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: On30 ?? Sn42
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46572	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Weight for PRS car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46573	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Where /how to stay current on Lionel Flyer releases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46574	From: conehammer	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Where /how to stay current on Lionel Flyer releases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46575	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46576	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46577	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Fw: [deerfieldriver] S scale kits and pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46578	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46579	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46580	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46581	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46582	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46583	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46584	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46585	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46586	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46587	From: innotron	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46588	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46589	From: Rosie	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46590	From: David Haslauer	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46592	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: American Flyer Repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46593	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: SHS blatant promotion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46595	From: Grant	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46596	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: AF Cardboard Fiber Roadbed ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46597	From: Phil K	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Regarding AFMoose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46598	From: barb	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Regarding AFMoose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46599	From: Robert Hannon	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46600	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: AF Cardboard Fiber Roadbed ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46601	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: AF Cardboard Fiber Roadbed ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46602	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: AF Cardboard Fiber Roadbed ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46603	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: AF Cardboard Fiber Roadbed ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46604	From: bw_hansen	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Layout wiring problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46605	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Silhouettes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46606	From: John	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: AF Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46607	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Ebay S Item of Note
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46608	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Layout wiring and Silhouettes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46609	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Layout wiring problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46610	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46611	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay item of note....OOoh, spooky!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46612	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay item of note....OOoh, spooky!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46613	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay item of note....OOoh, spooky!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46614	From: monte_heppe	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: American Flyer truck & cuopler specs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46615	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Layout wiring problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46616	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer truck & cuopler specs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46617	From: bw_hansen	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Layout wiring problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46618	From: monte_heppe	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Truck and coupler Specs.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46619	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer truck & cuopler specs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46620	From: Alan Evans	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Silhouettes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46621	From: John Keating	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Detail Parts for the Corvette Auto
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46622	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46623	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Fw: Get 2 Dollars Off At Isaac's, Vote For Filbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46624	From: Stan	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Detail Parts for the Corvette Auto
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46625	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Reverse Unit Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46626	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Layout wiring problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46627	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Layout wiring problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46628	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: AGC Wheel specs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46629	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer truck & cuopler specs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46630	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: AGC Wheel specs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46631	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46632	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46633	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46634	From: Glenn	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Toy Trains Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46635	From: ken_5556	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46636	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46637	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF Cardboard Fiber Roadbed ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46638	From: ER	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Caution: SHS Item for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46639	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46640	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46641	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Trestle set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46642	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: Trestle set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46643	From: smuel10363@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3913
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46644	From: The LANIERs	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Availabilty of Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46645	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: ACG wheel specs & layout wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46646	From: santorojoseph	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: S Gauge Rolling Stock with Nevada Road Name
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46647	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46648	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46649	From: Karl Raab	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Chicago Transit Authority 6000 "EL" Car Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46650	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46651	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/13/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46652	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46653	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46654	From: Tom Kaufman	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3916
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46655	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46656	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3916
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46657	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3916
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46658	From: bandmancwc	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: American Flyer Padded Stool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46659	From: pab11147	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Using American Models mix with AF stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46660	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: AM Alco PA-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46661	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: ACG Specs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46662	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Using American Models mix with AF stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46663	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Using American Models mix with AF stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46664	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Using American Models mix with AF stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46665	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46666	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Using American Models mix with AF stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46667	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/13/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46668	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Using American Models mix with AF stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46669	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Take a look at this website to see another track option
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46670	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Using American Models mix with AF stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46671	From: 67GT	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: gazebo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46672	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism and some family news...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46673	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Can motors in Flyer Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46674	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: S at the local train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46675	From: lvtrainmeet	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Nice Train meet this weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46676	From: barb	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: gazebo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46677	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism and some family news...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46678	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46679	From: bw_hansen	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: Layout wiring problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46680	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46681	From: 67GT	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: gazebo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46682	From: judgeatkck2002	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: gazebo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46683	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Gazebo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46684	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: S at the local train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46685	From: Larry Schliessmann	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: New photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46686	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: New photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46687	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46688	From: Al	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: S Gauge Rolling Stock with Nevada Road Name
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46689	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46690	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: New photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46691	From: Lawrence Schliessmann	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: New photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46692	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: gazebo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46693	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Baseball figures?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46694	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: Baseball figures?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46695	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: Baseball figures?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46696	From: Chuck Bukauskas	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: New photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46697	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: New photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46698	From: 67GT	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: gazebo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46699	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Repair Shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46700	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: New Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46701	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Real Life Train Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46702	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Re: New photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46703	From: Timboy	Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: New photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46704	From: dphobbies	Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Commercial - ACF Centerflow Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46705	From: barb	Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: Real Life Train Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46706	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: New photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46707	From: Peter Gagnon	Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Invitation: San Diego Area S Group Formation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46708	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: infra-red detection & control of trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46709	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: roadbed update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46710	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: New photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46711	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: Trestle set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46712	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46713	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46714	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46715	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Beaver's Electric Trains - Now on TVLand
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46716	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46717	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46718	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Beaver's Electric Trains - Now on TVLand
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46719	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46720	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Beaver's Electric Trains - Now on TVLand
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46721	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Gazebo - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46722	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Train Show in Troy Mich Sunday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46723	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46724	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Beaver's Electric Trains - Now on TVLand
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46725	From: Timboy	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46726	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/20/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46727	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46728	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46729	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46730	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46731	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46732	From: barb	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46733	From: barb	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gazebo - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46734	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46735	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46736	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Truscott Set Cowboy and Indian Figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46737	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: . Re: Beaver's Electric Trains - Now on TVLand
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46738	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46739	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Won't make Chat tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46740	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gazebo - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46741	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gazebo - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46742	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46743	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Atlanta Great Train Expo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46744	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Truscott Set Cowboy and Indian Figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46745	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46746	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46747	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Won't make Chat tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46748	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46749	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/20/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46750	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46751	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46752	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Won't make Chat tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46753	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46754	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46755	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46756	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46757	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46758	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46759	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46760	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars on DCC -- Part Two
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46761	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46762	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: USM rocket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46763	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46764	From: Timboy	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46765	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: USM rocket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46766	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46767	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Won't make Chat tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46768	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: USM rocket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46769	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46770	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46771	From: barb	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46772	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46773	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46774	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46775	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46776	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46777	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46778	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46779	From: Timboy	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46780	From: Timboy	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46781	From: barb	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46782	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please - Five Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46783	From: Timboy	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46784	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46785	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46786	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46787	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46788	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46789	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade Loops Clarified??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46790	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46791	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46792	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46793	From: Timboy	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46794	From: Timboy	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46795	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46796	From: Timboy	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: DCC Action Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46797	From: Timboy	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46798	From: doug_cnw	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46799	From: Chris	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: The New Generation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46800	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Truscott Set Cowboy and Indian Figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46801	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46802	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade Loops Clarified??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46803	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46804	From: Timboy	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46805	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46806	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46807	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46809	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Action Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46810	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Action Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46811	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46812	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46813	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Action Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46814	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46815	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Action Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46816	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46817	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Layout/grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46818	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46819	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: RE; Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46820	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46821	From: gettysburg9	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: PC software to accurately diagram a layout?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46822	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46823	From: Ken Kinyon	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46824	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: DCC Information needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46825	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46826	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46827	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46828	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46829	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46830	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46831	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46832	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46833	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: DCC Information
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46834	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Sinclair Oil & other oil companies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46835	From: Bill Adams	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: KW Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46836	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: PC software to accurately diagram a layout?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46837	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46838	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Finally!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46839	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46840	From: Timboy	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46841	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46842	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Sinclair Sign Picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46843	From: Timboy	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46844	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46845	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46846	From: bstilesaf	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: American Flyer circus train loads (carousel truck)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46847	From: roy inman	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46848	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46849	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: S-gauge boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46850	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Flyer/Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46851	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: PC software to accurately diagram a layout?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46852	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46853	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: 'Fallen Oil Brands'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46854	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer/Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46855	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Emailing: www.gassigns.org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46856	From: roy inman	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46857	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Want to contact Dave Ahn of Northampton, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46858	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Collection Software - what's good?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46859	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: 'Fallen Oil Brands'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46860	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer circus train loads (carousel truck)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46861	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: 'Fallen Oil Brands'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46862	From: beebear	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Emailing: www.gassigns.org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46863	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: 'Fallen Oil Brands'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46864	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46865	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer/Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46866	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Flyer / Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46867	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Rare Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46868	From: Robert Boring	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46869	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: 'Fallen Oil Brands'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46870	From: Robert Boring	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46871	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Layout design
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46872	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46873	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Question re repainting American Models E8s - removal of windows, etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46874	From: ken garber	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Question re repainting American Models E8s - remo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46875	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Question re repainting American Models E8s - remo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46876	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Question re repainting American Models E8s - removal of windows,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46877	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Question re repainting American Models E8s ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46878	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46879	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Question re repainting American Models E8s - remo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46880	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Flyonel train sets-comercial message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46881	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: You can be a Flatulene dealer!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46882	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Question re repainting American Models E8s - remo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46883	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Question re repainting American Models E8s ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46884	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed -- Digest Number 3930
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46885	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Gasoline brands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46886	From: pab11147	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Diesel horn static
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46887	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel horn static
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46888	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46889	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46890	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed -- Digest Number 3930
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46891	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Gasoline brands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46892	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel horn static
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46893	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed -- Digest Number 3930
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46894	From: Robert Boring	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46895	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed -- Digest Number 3930
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46896	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: 2008 NASG National Convention Dispatch stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46897	From: Robert Boring	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46898	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Gasolene and the AM RS-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46899	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Gasolene and the AM RS-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46900	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: transformer pictures needed for The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46901	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Fw: Sinclair Oil Corporation: Sinclair History Inquiry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46902	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Richfield Oil photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46903	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: transformer pictures needed for The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46904	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Gasolene and the AM RS-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46905	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Repair that drives me crazy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46906	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: DCC vs TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46907	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Got gas ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46908	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Snow Plow action
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46909	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Try#2: Want to contact Dave Ahn of Northampton, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46910	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Collection Software - what's good?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46911	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Repair that drives me crazy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46912	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Got gas ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46913	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Repair that drives me crazy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46914	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: LocoMatic hook-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46915	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Collection Software - what's good?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46916	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Collection Software - what's good?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46917	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Gasolene and the AM RS-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46918	From: roy inman	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: 2008 NASG National Convention Dispatch stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46919	From: William Porter	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Doyle Book Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46920	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Collection Software - what's good?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46921	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/27/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46922	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Doyle Book Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46923	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: How Many Barrels?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46924	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Doyle Book Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46925	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: LocoMatic hook-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46926	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Doyle Book Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46927	From: Phil K	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Doyle book: a lotta sizzle, but where's the beef?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46928	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Great S at Big East show!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46929	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Video AM FP7 and 302 Atlantic TMCC and Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46930	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Doyle Book Question...my take
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46931	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: LocoMatic hook-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46932	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Doyle Book Question...my take
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46933	From: briggsmodels	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Briggs Models Speeder project update-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46934	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Doyle Book Question...my take
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46935	From: beebear	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Briggs Models Speeder project update-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46936	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: More Video TMCC AM E8 and Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46937	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: More video lashup FP-7/E-8/PA-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46938	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: More video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46939	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/27/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46940	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Undrestanding wife
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46941	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: What's new on the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46942	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46943	From: briggsmodels	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Briggs Models Speeder project update-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46944	From: Timboy	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46945	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Carl's Pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46946	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46947	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Flyonel UP 809
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46948	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Repair that drives me crazy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46949	From: hobo47203	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Locomotive for trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46950	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46951	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Repair that drives me crazy!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46952	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Collection Software - what's good?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46953	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Repair that drives me crazy!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46954	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Collection Software - what's good?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46955	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Great S at Big East show!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46956	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Great S at Big East show!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46957	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: The Big E
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46958	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ350020
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46959	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: DCC vs TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46960	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46961	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ35
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46962	From: barb	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46963	From: rlgriggs	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Brad Nelson's 'S' layout in the March '08 CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46964	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ35
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46965	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46966	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46967	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: AF Set Make-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46968	From: Timboy	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46969	From: porschebob1953	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Directronic Propulsion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46970	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46971	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: DCC vs TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46972	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46973	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46974	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46975	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: AF Semaphore/Block signal/Sam - work with S-trax?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46976	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: More Train Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46977	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF Semaphore/Block signal/Sam - work with S-trax?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46978	From: teeb_1	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW Tender Relay - Part# XA11011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46979	From: haug0264	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: S-helper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46980	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46981	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: S-helper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46982	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46983	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46984	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: S-helper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46985	From: haug0264	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: S-helper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46986	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46987	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: S-helper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46988	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46989	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic Propulsion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46990	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Directronic Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46991	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46992	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Directronic Propulsion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46993	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: AF Semaphore/Block signal/Sam - work with S-trax?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46994	From: roy inman	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: New LAF offerings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46995	From: Phil K	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: S-helper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46996	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46997	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46998	From: Joe Haenn	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 46999	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47000	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Directronic Propulsion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47001	From: teeb_1	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Flatcar (or not) Identification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47002	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: road bed update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47003	From: Phil K	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Flyonel Rock Island GP-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47004	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47005	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Flyer Basher photos posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47006	From: teeb_1	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Flatcar (or not) Identification - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47007	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer Basher photos posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47008	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47009	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer Basher photos posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47010	From: Michael Martino	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: road bed update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47011	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: 356 restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47012	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restoration - Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47013	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: 356 restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47014	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47015	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer Basher photos posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47016	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restoration - Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47017	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47018	From: roy inman	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47019	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: ATTN SnS: :Directronic Control -remagnetizing magnets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47020	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Caboose with cupola and bay window
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47021	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restoration - Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47022	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47023	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47024	From: roy inman	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47025	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: S or O guge truck needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47026	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47027	From: roy inman	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47028	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47029	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: AF per-mag motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47030	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47031	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47032	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: S-Scale log trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47033	From: roy inman	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47034	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Road bed Update Day 25
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47035	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47036	From: joe wieckoski	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: American Flyer Collection For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47037	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** [S-Trains] Road bed Update Day 25
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47039	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** [S-Trains] Road bed Update Day 25
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47040	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Conrail Caboose with cupola and bay window
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47041	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale log trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47042	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay and bidders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47043	From: barb	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale log trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47044	From: len_hall	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: It's Official - A Big Boy in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47045	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: New Flyer up on Lionel Site -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47046	From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay and bidders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47047	From: Phil K	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: NOTE ABOUT: Ebay and bidders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47048	From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: NOTE ABOUT: Ebay and bidders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47049	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale log trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47050	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: American Flyer Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47051	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: S scale log trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47052	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47053	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: AF per-mag motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47054	From: Joe Haenn	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Thanks to Nick Ladd
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47055	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47056	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: New Haven caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47057	From: roy inman	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks to Nick Ladd
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47058	From: jhl1963	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: New Swing Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47059	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Swing Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47060	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale log trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47061	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Flyonel's Big Mistake!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47062	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks to Nick Ladd
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47063	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Swing Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47064	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks to Nick Ladd
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47065	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Swing Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47066	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: NOTE ABOUT: Ebay and bidders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47067	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Swing Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47068	From: roy inman	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel's Big Mistake!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47069	From: G C	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Haven caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47070	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel's Big Mistake!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47071	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel's Big Mistake!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47072	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Haven caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47073	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Haven caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47074	From: Firewood	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47075	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47076	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47077	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47078	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47079	From: roy inman	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47080	From: roy inman	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel's Big Mistake!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47081	From: roy inman	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47082	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47083	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47084	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47085	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47086	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47087	From: Phil K	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: NEW Big Boy poll -- vote today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47088	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47089	From: trobicha	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47090	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: SiT unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47091	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47092	From: monte_heppe	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: American Flyer Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47093	From: dale reynolds	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47094	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy Picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47095	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy Picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47096	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47097	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47098	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47099	From: roy inman	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47100	From: roy inman	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy Picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47101	From: Phil K	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47102	From: Phil K	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47103	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47104	From: John Degnan	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47105	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47106	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Roadbed Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47107	From: roy inman	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy-When ship?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47108	From: roy inman	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47109	From: boblines51	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: YORK IN APRIL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47110	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy-When ship?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47111	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/3/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47112	From: roy inman	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy-When ship?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47113	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Headlight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47114	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy-When ship?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47115	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47116	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47117	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47118	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47119	From: Phil K	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: There was NO buyout of K-Line by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47120	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47121	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47122	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy & Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47123	From: G C	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47124	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Selective Comprehension Screw-up; Valve Gear
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47125	From: Phil K	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Size of Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47126	From: Andrew	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Info needed on restoring trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47127	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Size of Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47128	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47129	From: Jim Hare	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Info needed on restoring trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47130	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Info needed on restoring trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47131	From: Phil K	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47132	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47133	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Size of Big Boy vs AF curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47134	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Looking for E6 door with lower headlight opening
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47135	From: flyer_af	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Flyonel SD-9 Slowing Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47136	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47137	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - My deep felt appreciation for Lionel !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47138	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/3/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47139	From: roy inman	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47140	From: roy inman	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy-What next...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47141	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47142	From: Phil K	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: No need to bad-mouth Lionel. Don't like it? Don't buy it.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47143	From: roy inman	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47144	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47145	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: BIG BOY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47146	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47147	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47148	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47149	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Will Big Boy redefine track spacing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47150	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47151	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Will Big Boy redefine track spacing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47152	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Info needed on restoring trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47153	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Info needed on restoring trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47154	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel SD-9 Slowing Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47155	From: ecphora123	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Ballston Locomotive Works
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47156	From: beebear	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Ballston Locomotive Works
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47157	From: John Metzger	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47158	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Lionel thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47159	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47160	From: roy inman	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47161	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: What about the future?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47162	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47163	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47164	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47165	From: Phil K	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Will there be other road names for the Big Boy, or just UP?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47166	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47167	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47168	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47169	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: NYC Niagara Next?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47170	From: beebear	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: "Beating a dead horse"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47171	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Flatcar (or not) Identification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47172	From: Phil K	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47173	From: roy inman	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: "Beating a dead horse"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47174	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: AF Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47175	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: "Beating a dead horse"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47176	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47177	From: Firewood	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47178	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: bad mouthing Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47179	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47180	From: Ed	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: "Beating a dead horse"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47181	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47182	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Lionel Monitoring This Site - Yeah - Right
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47183	From: Andrew	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Info needed on restoring trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47184	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Travel Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47185	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: The "big Boy" issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47186	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Production Ordering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47187	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: "Beating a dead horse"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47188	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Production Ordering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47189	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: The "big Boy" issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47190	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Monitoring This Site - Yeah - Right
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47191	From: Phil K	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Lionel ownership
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47192	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: critiques of Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47193	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47194	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Travel Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47195	From: jhl1963	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47196	From: jhl1963	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: The "big Boy" issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47197	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Travel Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47198	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: The "big Boy" issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47199	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Discussing Lionel & Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47200	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel ownership
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47201	From: roy inman	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Discussing Lionel & Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47202	From: roy inman	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel ownership
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47203	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47204	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: American Flyer lives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47205	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future MTH and S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47206	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: The "big Boy" issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47207	From: Phil K	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel ownership
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47208	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Production Ordering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47209	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Monitoring This Site - Yeah - Right
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47210	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel ownership
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47211	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Production Ordering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47212	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future MTH and S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47213	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future MTH and S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47214	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47215	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Customer Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47216	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Production Ordering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47217	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Travel Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47218	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Gerry's experience with the recently made AF track gang (by Lionel)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47219	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Production Ordering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47220	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Gerry's experience with the recently made AF track gang (by Lion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47221	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Production Ordering now SLA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47222	From: John	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Lionel MP B Unit Horn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47223	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Visit an S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47224	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: 312 Boiler front question from a 5th wire believer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47225	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future MTH and S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47226	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: New Poll - Satisfaction With Lionel Steam Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47227	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47228	From: barb	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: 312 Boiler front question from a 5th wire believer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47229	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: American Experience: Grand Central Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47230	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: roadbed order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47231	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47232	From: Firewood	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: "Tender"-foot question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47233	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: 312 Boiler front question from a 5th wire believer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47234	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: "Tender"-foot question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47235	From: David Engle	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: "Tender"-foot question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47236	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47237	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47238	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47239	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3951
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47240	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47241	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3951
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47242	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel MP B Unit Horn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47243	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Mike Marmer's Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47244	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Grand Central Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47245	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future MTH and S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47246	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: 312 Boiler front question from a 5th wire believer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47247	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: schematic test of Lionel's customer service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47248	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: 312 Boiler front question from a 5th wire believer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47249	From: Grant	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: American Experience: Grand Central Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47250	From: Michael Rector	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel ownership
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47251	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47252	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47253	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: 314AW Whistle Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47254	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47255	From: barb	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW Whistle Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47256	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47257	From: jhl1963	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47258	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: What is the Lionel Pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47259	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the Lionel Pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47260	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47261	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW Whistle Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47262	From: chudgr@earthlink.net	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the Lionel Pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47263	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47264	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel MP B Unit Horn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47265	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Poll - Satisfaction With Lionel Steam Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47266	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Survey - Digest Number 3952
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47267	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW Whistle Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47268	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the Lionel Pacific? - Digest Number 3953
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47269	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47270	From: roy inman	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy teather
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47271	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47272	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47273	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47274	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy $672.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47275	From: barb	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47276	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47277	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47278	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the Lionel Pacific? - Digest Number 3953
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47279	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: New Unscientific Poll - Are You Pleased With Your Steam Locomotive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47280	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47281	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the Lionel Pacific? - Digest Number 3953
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47282	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Unscientific Poll - Are You Pleased With Your Steam Locomo..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47283	From: John Simms	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: I bought one
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47284	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Unscientific Poll - Are You Pleased With Your Steam Locomo..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47285	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: AM steam locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47286	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: AM steam locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47287	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47288	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: New Stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47289	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the new Lionel Pacific - Digest Number 3954
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47290	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy $635!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47291	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the new Lionel Pacific - Digest Number 3954
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47292	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the new Lionel Pacific - Digest Number 3954
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47293	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Electric RR products listed in Lionel catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47294	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47295	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Four Gilbert & four Flyonel cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47296	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Unscientific Poll - Are You Pleased With Your Steam Lo...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47297	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47298	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47299	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Lionel B&O Pacific ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47300	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy $635!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47301	From: Phil K	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47302	From: Timboy	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47303	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Unscientific Poll - Are You Pleased With Your Steam Lo...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47304	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47305	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel B&O Pacific ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47306	From: Timboy	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47307	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy $635!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47308	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47309	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47310	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47311	From: miken9guy	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: SHelperService & AmericanModels catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47312	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: More video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47313	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Sinclair Oil Corporation: Sinclair History Inquiry -- reme
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47314	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Info needed on restoring trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47315	From: chudgr@earthlink.net	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47316	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47317	From: John Degnan	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Fw: [RPM-forum] Free Downloadable Scale Vehicle License Plates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47318	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: For the Lemax "Spooky Town" lovers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47319	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Links on Left
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47320	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47321	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Links on Left
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47322	From: Phil K	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Links on Left
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47323	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47324	From: JeryJones3@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Visit an S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47325	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47326	From: Trains	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: For the Lemax "Spooky Town" lovers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47327	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: old Email poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47328	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SHelperService & AmericanModels catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47329	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} looking for decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47330	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47331	From: roy inman	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47332	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Visit an S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47333	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Non-S Gauge...AC Gilbert Science Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47334	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Non-S Gauge...AC Gilbert Science Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47335	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Links on the left
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47336	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Non-S Gauge...AC Gilbert Science Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47337	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47338	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47339	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: order now ASG switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47340	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Emails or at the site?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47341	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47342	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47343	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: order now ASG switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47344	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: old Email poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47345	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Umbrella fabric
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47346	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47347	From: jt12313	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: S Helper Rock island sw 8 availability
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47348	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Rock island sw 8 availability
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47349	From: Trains	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Baby Ruth Perma built kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47350	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: old Email poll - Polls are Still OPEN!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47351	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: old Email poll - Polls are Still OPEN!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47352	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Umbrella fabric
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47353	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Umbrella fabric
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47354	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47355	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47356	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47357	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47358	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: American Flyer PAs in beautiful L&N Paint Scheme on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47359	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47360	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: ON30 conversion to S ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47361	From: roy inman	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47362	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47363	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47364	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47365	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47366	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47367	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: On30 conversion to S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47368	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Self contained power trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47369	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Interesting Picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47370	From: Ted Walton	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: AC Gilbert Science Set, microscope
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47371	From: Timboy	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47372	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Lionel American Flyer Northern Smoke Unit Chirp/output
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47373	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47374	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer Northern Smoke Unit Chirp/output
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47375	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting Picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47376	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47377	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Bellows Material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47378	From: William Porter	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Provenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47379	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting Picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47380	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: On30 cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47381	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47382	From: Timboy	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: On30 cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47383	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47384	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47385	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Provenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47386	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Provenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47387	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47388	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47389	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Provenance 350024921252
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47390	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47391	From: macflyer0513	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: PA truck frames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47392	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Possible Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47393	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: PA truck frames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47394	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47395	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Possible Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47396	From: roy inman	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Possible Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47397	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Possible Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47398	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: On30 cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47399	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: PA truck frames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47400	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Possible Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47401	From: Ken Kinyon	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Possible Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47402	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: On30 cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47403	From: Timboy	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: On30 cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47404	From: velapoldi	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47405	From: Phil K	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: The difference between being a list 'member' and 'subscriber'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47406	From: dmunseyjr@comcast.net	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: On30 cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47407	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: On30 cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47408	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: RE;re:On30 cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47409	From: trobicha	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Possible Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47410	From: GREYSTOKE	Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: Possible Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47411	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47412	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: An S Scale Version of the SD?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47413	From: jirschele@att.net	Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: design software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47414	From: rj4010d	Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Spring "S" Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47415	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: design software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47416	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: design software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47417	From: trainnut2us	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Led retrofit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47418	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Not Train Related But Remembering the 60's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47419	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Led retrofit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47420	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Not Train Related But Remembering the 60's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47421	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: The Ann Arbor, Michigan Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47422	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Not Train Related But Remembering the 60's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47423	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: The Ann Arbor, Michigan Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47424	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Photos of K-Line Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47425	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Photos of K-Line Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47426	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Myflyertrains Site Gone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47427	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Myflyertrains Site Gone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47428	From: MaryAnn Obuch	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Myflyertrains Site Gone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47429	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Not Train Related But Remembering the 60's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47430	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Myflyertrains Site Gone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47431	From: trobicha	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Possible Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47432	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Photos of K-Line Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47433	From: s_yorke	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Myflyertrains Site Gone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47434	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Transition segments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47435	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Myflyertrains Site Gone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47436	From: G C	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Transition segments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47437	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Incandescent Death Throes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47438	From: roy inman	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Myflyertrains Site Gone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47439	From: mlprell	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47440	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Transition segments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47441	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Transition segments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47442	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: DCC!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47443	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/17/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47444	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: 471, Horn Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47445	From: Timboy	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: An S Scale Version of the SD?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47446	From: race944t	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47447	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47448	From: Andrew	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: looking for parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47449	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Bellows material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47450	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/17/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47451	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47452	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: York Hotels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47453	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47454	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47455	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47456	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47457	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Joe's bellows material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47458	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: SIT Bellows material & Car Diaphram material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47459	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Spray paint to match Flyonel SP colors ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47460	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Joe's bellows material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47461	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47462	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: MTH Coal Loader Again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47463	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47464	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: For sale: hard-to-find "American Flyer Lines" version of the #734 bo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47466	From: pab11147	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: NETCA S Gauge 2006 Indian Motorcycle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47467	From: CAMPER279	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: MTH Coal Loader Again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47468	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: NETCA S Gauge 2006 Indian Motorcycle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47469	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: NEW VIDEO ON TOMS TURNOUTS - HOW THEY WORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47470	From: Timboy	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: New Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47471	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47472	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Incandescent Death Throes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47473	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Incandescent Death Throes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47474	From: Chuck Bukauskas	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: NEW VIDEO ON TOMS TURNOUTS - HOW THEY WORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47475	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: New Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47476	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47477	From: Timboy	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: New Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47478	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47479	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: DCC! digest 3965
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47480	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47481	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Ray Ellen contact
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47484	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47485	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47486	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: New Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47487	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47488	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47489	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: DCC! - Digest Number 3967
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47490	From: John Bevington	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47491	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Height of protective railing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47492	From: ekaplan707	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Lionel Big Boy Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47493	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47494	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47495	From: Timboy	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: New Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47496	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47497	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47498	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47499	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: DCC!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47500	From: roy inman	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47501	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: New Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47502	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47503	From: Timboy	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47504	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47505	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: DCC Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47506	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Trains vs Computers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47507	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47508	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47509	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47510	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47511	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Trains vs. Computers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47512	From: G C	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Trains vs. Computers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47513	From: pab11147	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47514	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Today's K-Line curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47515	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47516	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: RE;re;DCC!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47517	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: P18no36
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47518	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47519	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47520	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Today's K-Line curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47521	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: P18no36
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47522	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47523	From: roy inman	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Today's K-Line curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47524	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47525	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Today's K-Line curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47526	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: RE;re;DCC!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47527	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Today's K-Line curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47528	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: RE;re;DCC!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47529	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47530	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: P18no36
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47531	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: P18no36
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47532	From: Timboy	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Today's K-Line curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47533	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47534	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: New Project (and personal layout pics)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47535	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47536	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: SCOTTS ODDS & ENDS LEDS ETC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47537	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47538	From: Bill and Linda Lucas	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47539	From: Timboy	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: New Project (and personal layout pics)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47540	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47541	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: AF 730 Bumper Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47542	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Printing decals on Walthers Decal Paper with Ink Jet Printer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47543	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: New Project (and personal layout pics)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47544	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Printing decals on Walthers Decal Paper with Ink Jet Printer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47545	From: Timboy	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Printing decals on Walthers Decal Paper with Ink Jet Printer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47546	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: AF 730 Bumper Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47547	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Printing decals on ink jet printers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47548	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47549	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: AF 730 Bumper Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47550	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: AF 730 Bumper Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47551	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Printing decals on Walthers Decal Paper with Ink Jet Printer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47552	From: ekaplan707	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Today's K-Line curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47553	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47554	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47555	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47556	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47557	From: James Hannawald	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47558	From: joe wieckoski	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Pullman car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47559	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47560	From: Ed	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47561	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47562	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47563	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47564	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF 730 Bumper Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47565	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A transformer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47566	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 --PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47567	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47568	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47569	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47570	From: pab11147	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: NETCA cars wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47571	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Protective Railing - Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47572	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A transformer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47573	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47574	From: Ed	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: NETCA cars wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47575	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47576	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/24/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47577	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A transformer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47578	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47579	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47580	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47581	From: Jerry Hiett	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47582	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Adding Sound to Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47583	From: Phil K	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47584	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Protective Railing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47585	From: ppagano_us	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Custom paint and decals?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47586	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47587	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: GCT in NEWS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47588	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47589	From: Timboy	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: PRR pax cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47590	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Protective Railing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47591	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: PRR pax cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47592	From: Vivamus	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Announcing the new Model Train Wiki
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47593	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/24/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47594	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47595	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47596	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: 2008 Lionel Flyer items are now on TheGilbertGallery.org! Pictures n
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47597	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Am I the only one to notice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47598	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47599	From: phil144091	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Wanted/Needed.....................
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47600	From: michael prell	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Am I the only one to notice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47601	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this wedne
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47602	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted/Needed.....................
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47603	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: 2008 Lionel Flyer items are now on TheGilbertGallery.org! Pictur
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47604	From: Sam Blum	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: trade shs scale wheels for shs hirail wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47605	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: 2008 Lionel Flyer items are now on TheGilbertGallery.org! Pictur
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47606	From: Trains	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: trade shs scale wheels for shs hirail wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47607	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47608	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Clem's Train and Antique Car Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47609	From: Timboy	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47610	From: Steve	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Track trips or a modern alternative?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47611	From: Phil K	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47612	From: Phil K	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47613	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47614	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Dad's Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47615	From: Timboy	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47616	From: Glenn	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47617	From: michael prell	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47618	From: michael prell	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47619	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47620	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47621	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47622	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47623	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47624	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47625	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47626	From: Phil K	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: About posting "causes" on S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47627	From: michael prell	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: About posting "causes" on S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47628	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Steam Locomotive Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47629	From: roy inman	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47630	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Dad's Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47631	From: velapoldi	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: About posting "causes" on S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47632	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: The First Train Robbery!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47633	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47634	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47635	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47636	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47637	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: About posting "causes" on S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47638	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47639	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Atlas and S???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47640	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: O gauge predecessor of the 314W
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47641	From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47642	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47643	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Variability in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47644	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47645	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47646	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47647	From: michael prell	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47648	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47649	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S??? -- and scales & gauges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47650	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47651	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47652	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47653	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47654	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47655	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47656	From: Phil K	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47657	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Sticking AF 4 Position Reverse "E" Unit - Unorthodox "Fix"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47658	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47659	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47660	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47661	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47662	From: michael prell	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47663	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47664	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47665	From: Phil K	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47666	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Industrial Rail by Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47667	From: michael prell	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47668	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47669	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47670	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47671	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: ANYONE ELSE NOTICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47672	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47673	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Leave It To Beaver - AF episode
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47674	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender - Response Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47675	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Variability in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47676	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47677	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: ANYONE ELSE NOTICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47678	From: Rhett George	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47679	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47680	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47681	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47682	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: 2008 A.C. Gilbert Heritage Society National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47683	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: 314 AW wiring diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47684	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47685	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47686	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Vinyl Roadbed order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47687	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47688	From: James Hannawald	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Variability in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47689	From: Firewood	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47690	From: David	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: My #1218 engine.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47691	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47692	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47693	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: My #1218 engine.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47694	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Vinyl Roadbed order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47695	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47696	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47697	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47698	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Vinyl Roadbed order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47699	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47700	From: Al	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: AF and other S-Gauge train items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47701	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Ertle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47702	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF and other S-Gauge train items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47703	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47704	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Blatant AD: Colorful Timken Tank Cars ready to ship!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47705	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Converting Ertel engine to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47706	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47708	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: ERTL County Fair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47709	From: flyer_af	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Leave It To Beaver - AF episode
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47710	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47711	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47712	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: ERTL County Fair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47713	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: ERTL County Fair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47714	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Variability in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47715	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47716	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: ERTL County Fair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47717	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: was Lionel keeping AF alive-now green & maroon heavyweights & mail p
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47718	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47719	From: afjerryk5	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47720	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: 312 motor rebuild question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47721	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: 312 motor rebuild question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47722	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47723	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: I finally found pictures of the Atlas Atlantic.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47724	From: roy inman	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47725	From: Andrew	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: transformer cut off or safety / circuit breaker?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47726	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47727	From: ken_5556	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: 312 motor rebuild question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47728	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: I finally found pictures of the Atlas Atlantic.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47729	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47730	From: teeb_1	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: 312 motor rebuild question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47731	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Lionel Steam Loco Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47732	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47733	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47734	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47735	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47736	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47737	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47738	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47739	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47740	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47741	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Let's clarify this "Lionel/American Flyer thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47742	From: roninscho9	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: ace & downs products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47743	From: G C	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: I finally found pictures of the Atlas Atlantic.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47744	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: transformer cut off or safety / circuit breaker?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47745	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Order-- HUMOR warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47746	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Layout Feature Planning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47747	From: G C	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47748	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: S Helper Cars Wanted.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47749	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Order-- HUMOR warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47750	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47751	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Link Coupler Lock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47752	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Layout Feature Planning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47753	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Layout Feature Planning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47754	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47755	From: trainnut2us	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: DCC Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47756	From: michael prell	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47757	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Air Chime Whistle Hook-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47758	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47759	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Layout Feature Planning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47760	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: 312 motor rebuild question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47761	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Layout Feature Planning - Delta Queen with S train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47762	From: michael prell	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47763	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47764	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47765	From: petersbob55	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: AF Water tower #772
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47766	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47767	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47768	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47769	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47770	From: jim_marski	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47771	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47772	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47773	From: jim_marski	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47774	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47775	From: James Hannawald	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47776	From: beebear	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Atlas and S guage??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47777	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Fw: [The Washington Senators] David Gough
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47778	From: alansherryb	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47779	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47780	From: John Degnan	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47781	From: jim_marski	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47782	From: trobicha	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47783	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Down load and rescale a free Haunted Mansion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47784	From: michael prell	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47785	From: afjerryk5	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Atlas track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47786	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47787	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47788	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Down load and rescale a free Haunted Mansion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47789	From: Bob Anson	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Down load and rescale a free Haunted Mansion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47790	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47791	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47792	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47793	From: G C	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47795	From: Glenn	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47796	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47797	From: Bob Peters	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47798	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47799	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47800	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47801	From: bw_hansen	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Hell's Gate Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47802	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Hell's Gate Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47803	From: beebear	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47804	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47805	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47807	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: What we need
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47808	From: G C	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47809	From: G C	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47810	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47811	From: Grant	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47812	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Air Chime Whistle Hook-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47813	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: NASG Southern Pacific T,T.U.X. 6-48493
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47814	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47815	From: roy inman	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47816	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47817	From: roy inman	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Hell's Gate Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47818	From: roy inman	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47819	From: ken garber	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: SHS crossovers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47820	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47821	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: SHS 90 degree crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47822	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47823	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: SHS crossovers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47824	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47825	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: trucks for crane car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47826	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47827	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Look at this delux Marx crane car. The crane looks vey good.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47828	From: Jim Grimes	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47829	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47830	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: NASG Southern Pacific T,T.U.X. 6-48493
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47831	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47832	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47833	From: warren_chadbourne	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47834	From: Gill W. Lott	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47835	From: Firewood	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Karl Bub S scale on Ebay?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47836	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: What do we need in S ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47837	From: joe wieckoski	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47838	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47839	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47840	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47841	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47842	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: trucks for crane car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47843	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47844	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47845	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47846	From: beebear	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47847	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47848	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Good Price for Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47849	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47850	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47852	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF aCcessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47853	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hell's Gate Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47854	From: G C	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47855	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks - maybe?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47856	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47857	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47858	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: The Ceiling Level Route has begun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47859	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Good Price for Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47860	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47861	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47862	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47863	From: Thomas J. Donovan	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47864	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Good Price for Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47865	From: michael prell	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47866	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47867	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Delivery Services
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47868	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47869	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47870	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47871	From: Glenn	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Good Price for Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47872	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47873	From: roy inman	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF aCcessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47874	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47875	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47876	From: william cole	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47877	From: Phil K	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: No political causes or religious statements, please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47878	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Starter Set Price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47879	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: delivery companies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47880	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47881	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Starter Set Price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47882	From: jim_marski	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF aCcessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47883	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47884	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Starter Set Price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47885	From: John	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47886	From: Steve	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47887	From: roy inman	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF aCcessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47888	From: Vivamus	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Upgradeable Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47889	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Good Price for Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47890	From: Glenn	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Good Price for Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47891	From: Jim Grimes	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47892	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: What do we need in S Gauge?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47893	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47894	From: Grant	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47895	From: flyer_af	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Good Price for Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47896	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47897	From: Vivamus	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Upgradeable Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47898	From: chudgr@earthlink.net	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: UPS Sucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47899	From: Glenn	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47900	From: Glenn	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Upgradeable Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47901	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: STARTER SETS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47902	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47903	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47904	From: John Degnan	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47905	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: AM Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47906	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: B&O RR Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47907	From: omahakid2003	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Does anyone have all the trains they want?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47908	From: mlprell	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47909	From: bcgsteam	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: BC&G Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47910	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47911	From: Vivamus	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: BC&G Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47912	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47913	From: Glenn	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: BC&G Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47914	From: Vivamus	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: BC&G Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47915	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: New run of Huisky Stack cars and SSA reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47916	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47917	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Ballast!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47918	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Upgradeable Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47919	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47920	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Central PA Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47921	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: SSA Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47922	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47923	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Ballast!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47924	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: SSA Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47925	From: michael prell	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47926	From: petersbob55	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Ballast!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47927	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47928	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: SSA Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47929	From: michael prell	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47930	From: Ben Perry	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: SSA Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47931	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47932	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Praise for Banta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47933	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Just a tidbit Fact.....while i repair some trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47934	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47935	From: michael prell	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Just a tidbit Fact.....while i repair some trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47936	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/9/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47937	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47938	From: Andrew Buczko	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Does anyone have all the trains they want?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47939	From: michael prell	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Does anyone have all the trains they want?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47940	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Gilford Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47941	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Gilford Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47942	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Gilford Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47943	From: teeb_1	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Just a tidbit Fact.....while i repair some trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47944	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47945	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47946	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Paint Booth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47947	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47948	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: RE;re; Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47949	From: Bob Anson	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47950	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Made in U.S.A.!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47951	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Daylight Savings Time and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47952	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47953	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47954	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47955	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47956	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47957	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47958	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47959	From: James Hannawald	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47960	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/9/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47961	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47962	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47963	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47964	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47965	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice Don Tompson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47966	From: Bob Anson	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47967	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47968	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint booth and resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47969	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47970	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47971	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Gunderson Husky Stack Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47972	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint booth and resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47973	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47974	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint booth and resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47975	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47976	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Atlas HO Middlesex Manufacturing Company - Convertible to S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47977	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Beer Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47978	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Beer Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47979	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Maine Rail Trail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47980	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ertl Train Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47981	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Advice Don Tompson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47982	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47983	From: Alan Evans	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ballast!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47984	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Terp Car Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47985	From: Vivamus	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Model Train Wiki Update . . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47986	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Current delays, UPS, and MOXIE cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47987	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47988	From: Bob Peters	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ballast!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47989	From: Alan Evans	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: RE : UPS, Fed Ex, DHL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47990	From: michael prell	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Model Train Wiki Update . . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47991	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Paint booth and resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47992	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47993	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47994	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Snow in Columbus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47995	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: RE : UPS, Fed Ex, DHL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47996	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47997	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Starter Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47998	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: RE : UPS, Fed Ex, DHL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 47999	From: Phil K	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: RE : UPS, Fed Ex, DHL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48000	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ertl Train Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48001	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: RE : UPS, Fed Ex, DHL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48002	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: MY BEST EXPERIENCES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48003	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Starter Sets ALSO E-BAY WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48004	From: bwhanse1@rockwellcollins.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: S Scale brewery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48005	From: Jim King	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48006	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48007	From: Rosie	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Beer Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48008	From: Glenn	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ertl Train Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48009	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: 6% beer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48010	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Shipping unmentioned so far...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48011	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48012	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Vinyl Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48013	From: teeb_1	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit - UPDATED - Fire in the Hole!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48014	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Beer and Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48015	From: Alan Evans	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Snow in Columbus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48016	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: MD Box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48017	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48018	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: MD Box Car Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48020	From: David Engle	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping unmentioned so far...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48021	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping unmentioned so far...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48022	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: UPS, Fed Ex, DHL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48023	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: MD Box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48024	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit - UPDATED - Fire in the Hole!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48025	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: 494/495
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48026	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Auto detail tape
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48027	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: 494/495
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48028	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: 494/495 photo link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48029	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: S Helper reverse unit blues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48030	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Beer and Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48031	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 494/495
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48032	From: teeb_1	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit - UPDATED - Fire in the Hole!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48033	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 494/495 photo link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48034	From: paflyrman	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 494/495
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48035	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 494/495 photo link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48036	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper reverse unit blues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48037	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper reverse unit blues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48038	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 494/495 Probability
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48039	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Classic Toy Trains Layout Challenge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48040	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Invoice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48041	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Milk Bottles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48042	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Box Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48043	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Super Clean
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48044	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: 356 pilot truck mounting posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48046	From: beebear	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Super Clean
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48047	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Calendar continues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48048	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Super Clean
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48050	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Super Clean
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48053	From: beebear	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Super Clean
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48054	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Super Clean experiment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48055	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48056	From: ken_5556	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Rust Removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48057	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48058	From: Paul	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Ceiling Level Routes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48059	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ceiling Level Routes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48060	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48061	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ceiling Level Routes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48062	From: Paul	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ceiling Level Routes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48063	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Box Car Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48064	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Box Car Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48065	From: michael prell	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ceiling Level Routes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48066	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Box Car Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48067	From: macflyer0513	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Paint Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48068	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ceiling Level Routes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48069	From: michael prell	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48070	From: mlprell	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Greatest Show Circus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48071	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Paint help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48072	From: michael prell	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Paint help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48073	From: John Degnan	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: New Source for 1/64 Autos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48074	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Greatest Show Circus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48075	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/16/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48076	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: AF SWITCHES JUNK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48077	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Stumpy dared me to do it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48078	From: michael prell	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Greatest Show Circus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48079	From: Mac	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48080	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48081	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Stumpy...credit or blame?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48082	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48083	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Stumpy...credit or blame?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48084	From: michael prell	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Stumpy...credit or blame?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48085	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Today's special train lovers holiday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48086	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: 3/16th is Very Special...Happy Birthday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48087	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Today's special train lovers holiday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48088	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/16/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48089	From: G C	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Stumpy...credit or blame?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48090	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: S on youtube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48091	From: macflyer0513	Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48092	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: train set K5206W (1952)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48093	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Model Railroad News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48094	From: Glenn	Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: train set K5206W (1952)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48095	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: train set K5206W (1952)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48096	From: Robert B. Leffingwell	Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Passing of Roger Johnson, Chicago area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48097	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Anything new, Don?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48098	From: Firewood	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Stumpy...credit or blame?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48099	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: I have some AF to scale conversion drivers in 2 sizes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48100	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Stumpy recomendation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48101	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Stumpy recomendation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48102	From: Robert Patzwald	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: From a Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48103	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re;Stumpy recommendation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48104	From: roy inman	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: From a Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48105	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: From a Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48106	From: michael prell	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: From a Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48107	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: From a Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48108	From: doug_cnw	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48109	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48110	From: James Hannawald	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48111	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48112	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48113	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48114	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48115	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48116	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: 24619 bay window caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48117	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: 24619 bay window caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48118	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: reverse loops & wyes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48119	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: 24619 bay window caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48120	From: Robert Patzwald	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: More from the Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48121	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: 24619 bay window caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48122	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: More from the Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48123	From: roy inman	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: More from the Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48124	From: michael prell	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: reverse loops & wyes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48125	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: More from the Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48126	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: More from the Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48127	From: Charles Voss	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48128	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: More from the Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48129	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48130	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Fw: Track Trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48131	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48132	From: Charles Voss	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48133	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48134	From: Charles Voss	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48135	From: Charles Voss	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48136	From: Ed	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Pine Canyon News Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48137	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Sn3 VS S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48138	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: More from the Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48139	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: 2008 Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48140	From: michael prell	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: More from the Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48141	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Pine Canyon News Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48142	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: S trackwork
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48143	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: More from the Lionel guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48144	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: S trackwork
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48145	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: 24619 bay window caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48146	From: ecphora123	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Gilbert AF 283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48147	From: Les Mavor	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: SceniKing's updated web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48148	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Fw: Trucks for Crane Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48149	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Trucks for Crane Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48150	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/23/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48151	From: harbor_jct	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Smoke, Choo Choo and no squeak, a fix for the LAF Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48152	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Train Shopping!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48153	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: S trackwork
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48154	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: AF Northern Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48155	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: 355 AF Baldwin conversion to can motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48156	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Train Shopping!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48157	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: 355 AF Baldwin conversion to can motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48158	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/23/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48159	From: John Degnan	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: "M2 Machines" Autos : SOURCES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48160	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Vinyl Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48161	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: looking for parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48162	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Find the S Scale Cat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48163	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: DECC and reverse loops & wyes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48164	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Modern Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48165	From: Glenn	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Vinyl Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48166	From: G C	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Find the S Scale Cat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48167	From: G C	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Find the S Scale Cat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48168	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Northern Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48170	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Smoke unit fixes for the L-AF Northern [S-Trains] Digest Number
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48171	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Northern Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48172	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Find the S Scale Cat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48173	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Train Shopping!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48174	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: AF Northern Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48175	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: York Week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48176	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: 7.5" gauge Doepke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48177	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Animated Cat Rescue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48178	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Train Shopping!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48179	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Animated Cat Rescue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48180	From: beebear	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: PRINT WHITE DECALS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48181	From: G C	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Find the S Scale Cat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48182	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Train Shopping!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48183	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Need help identifying
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48184	From: Bob McKee	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: PRINT WHITE DECALS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48185	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Industrial Rail Freight Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48186	From: David Engle	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: PRINT WHITE DECALS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48187	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: rare MD S Scale Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48188	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Vinyl Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48189	From: G C	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Freight Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48190	From: paflyrman	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Freight Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48191	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Fw: Worlds great Hobby show at Kansas city
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48192	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Thanks Tom!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48193	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Freight Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48194	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Freight Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48195	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48196	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Vintage 1:64 craftsman kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48197	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Archbar Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48198	From: Glenn	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage 1:64 craftsman kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48199	From: G C	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48200	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Vinyl Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48201	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Industrial Rail Freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48202	From: ecphora123	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48203	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48204	From: Trains	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group for r
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48205	From: roy inman	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48206	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48207	From: Trains	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48208	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48209	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48210	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48211	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48212	From: ecphora123	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48213	From: Glenn	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48214	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48215	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: German toy museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48216	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48217	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48218	From: Glenn	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48219	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: German toy museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48220	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48221	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48222	From: michael prell	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48223	From: J.E. Dalton	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48224	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Really Rare MD Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48225	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Digest # 4011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48226	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48227	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: German toy museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48228	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48229	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: German toy museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48230	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48231	From: roy inman	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48232	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48233	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: painting tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48234	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48235	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48236	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48237	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48238	From: Mac	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4012
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48239	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48240	From: michael prell	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48241	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48242	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48243	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48244	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48245	From: Alan Evans	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: A Temporary Ideal S State
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48246	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48247	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48248	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48249	From: rj4010d	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Another Ideal Temporary State for "S" Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48251	From: klatoo_verracta	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: WHICH ERA YOU LIKE TO WORK?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48252	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48253	From: William Porter	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Uncoupling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48254	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48255	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Which Era You Like To Work?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48256	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: WHICH ERA YOU LIKE TO WORK?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48257	From: Trains	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Uncoupling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48258	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: WHICH ERA YOU LIKE TO WORK?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48259	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48260	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48261	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Franklin Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48262	From: klatoo_verracta	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Which Era You Like To Work?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48263	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48264	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48265	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48266	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48267	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48268	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Uncoupling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48269	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: WHICH ERA YOU LIKE TO WORK?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48270	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: FW: Time Warner loses its monopoly on rights to Superman! A Federal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48271	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48272	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48273	From: jfophd	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Ace Weel Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48274	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: What era do you work?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48275	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48276	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: what about the 3/16s O Hudsons' scale accuracy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48277	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: You Tube and S Gauge Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48278	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/30/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48279	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: You Tube and S Gauge Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48280	From: G C	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: what about the 3/16s O Hudsons' scale accuracy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48281	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: What era do you work?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48282	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: The Big L ..about to emerge out of Chapter 11.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48283	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: what about the 3/16s O Hudsons' scale accuracy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48284	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: You Tube and S Gauge Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48285	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Flyer336 and youtube videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48286	From: Andrew	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: You Tube and S Gauge Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48287	From: Gregg	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: "L" AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48288	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: You Tube Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48289	From: roninscho9	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER HUDSON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48290	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48291	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: You Tube and S Gauge Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48292	From: Firewood	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: what about the 3/16s O Hudsons' scale accuracy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48293	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: "L" AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48294	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Pine Canyon News Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48295	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Looking for SP A Units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48296	From: roninscho9	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ace Weel Sets & Hi rail stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48297	From: klatoo_verracta	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: What era do you work?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48298	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Driver size
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48299	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Franklin Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48300	From: John	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: YouTube Videos and model railroading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48301	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48302	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant commercialism SHS "This Week Now"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48303	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: What era do you work?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48304	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Driver size
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48305	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: L-AF Mikdao [S-Trains] Digest Number 4016
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48306	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48307	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48308	From: John	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant commercialism SHS "This Week Now"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48309	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/30/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48310	From: Iron Horse	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Off topic ? Train favorites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48311	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48312	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48313	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Off topic ? Train favorites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48314	From: cofa	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: e-mail test only
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48315	From: roy inman	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48316	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48317	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48318	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant commercialism SHS "This Week Now"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48319	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Off topic ? Train favorites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48320	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48321	From: Glenn	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: TCA AT YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48322	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Franklin Smoke Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48323	From: michael prell	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48324	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48325	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48326	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Messages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48327	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48328	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48329	From: klatoo_verracta	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: What era do you work?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48330	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48331	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48332	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48333	From: roy inman	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48334	From: Firewood	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48335	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed Update 3/31
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48336	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48337	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48338	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Messages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48339	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48340	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48341	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: #49618 NYC Dockside Switcher Freight Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48342	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48343	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Docksider Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48344	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Fun questions and a thread start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48345	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48346	From: dale reynolds	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Bob's Question about excess cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48347	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48348	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48349	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48350	From: G C	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun questions and a thread start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48351	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48352	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48353	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Definition of VINTAGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48354	From: ecphora123	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: No 355 Baldwin Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48355	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun questions and a thread start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48356	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48357	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun questions and a thread start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48358	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48359	From: Firewood	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Locomotive sound missing something?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48360	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of VINTAGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48361	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of VINTAGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48362	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun questions and a thread start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48363	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48364	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Locomotive sound missing something?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48365	From: michael prell	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48366	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48367	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Calendar update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48368	From: michael prell	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48369	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48370	From: william cole	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Locomotive sound missing something?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48371	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48372	From: G C	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun questions and a thread start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48373	From: John Degnan	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of VINTAGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48374	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48375	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Calendar update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48376	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of VINTAGE - Not Train related
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48377	From: toytrainjunkie	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48378	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48379	From: michael prell	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of VINTAGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48380	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fun questions and a thread start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48381	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of Vintage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48382	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: RE-CHROMING A. F. SHELLS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48383	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: A Lionel Rheostat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48384	From: Chris	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: New Badge for York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48385	From: ekaplan707	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48386	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48387	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of VINTAGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48388	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48389	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Chroming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48390	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48391	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: KBR (Pullman Connection)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48392	From: Barry King	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Reliance and Springettsbury Fire Company April 2008 Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48393	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: York Pa train week April 14 thru 19 2008
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48394	From: michael prell	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48395	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48396	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: on3 Trucks sale that you can convert to S.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48397	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner on PRR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48398	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48399	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Great Northern Electric Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48400	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48401	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48402	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: New stuff from SnS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48403	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Replacing those blue headlights in diesels ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48404	From: mikenguy9	Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: link couplers rep;lacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48405	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: link couplers replacement - my approach
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48406	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing those blue headlights in diesels ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48407	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/6/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48408	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing those blue headlights in diesels ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48409	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: link couplers rep;lacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48410	From: Jim Marski	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: RE-CHROMING A. F. SHELLS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48411	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Franklin Remake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48412	From: Terry Putt	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48413	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/6/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48414	From: Glenn	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: M2 CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48415	From: Charles Voss	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48416	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Express refer cars where longer and used different trucks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48417	From: boblines51	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: How many cars can it pull
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48418	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48419	From: John Degnan	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: M2 CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48420	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: M2 CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48421	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: link couplers rep;lacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48422	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48423	From: Glenn	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: M2 CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48424	From: michael prell	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48425	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48426	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: AF 316 and 342
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48427	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Erector Square
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48428	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: link couplers rep;lacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48429	From: frank emiro	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48430	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: AF 316 and 342
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48431	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing those blue headlights in diesels ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48432	From: drvangil	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: How many cars can it pull
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48433	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: link couplers rep;lacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48434	From: SSabino39@aol.com	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48435	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: link couplers rep;lacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48436	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: How many cars can it pull
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48437	From: Doug	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48438	From: harbor_jct	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Only 38 weeks till Christmas.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48439	From: Ed	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48440	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: YOUTUBE: Re How many cars can it pull
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48441	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Red Caboose Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48442	From: lember2004	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: rivet removal methods/tools?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48443	From: mike rosz	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Only 38 weeks till Christmas.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48444	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: rivet removal methods/tools?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48445	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: 356 restore - clear coat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48446	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Only 38 weeks till Christmas.- Lionel Website Address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48447	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restore - clear coat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48448	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: YORK MEETING DATES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48449	From: John	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: TCM WEDNESDAY TRAIN NIGHT FOR APRIL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48450	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: YORK MEETING DATES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48451	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: New York Toy Train Icons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48452	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Express reefer's from ???????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48453	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48454	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Bob Board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48455	From: yorktown26	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48456	From: frank emiro	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48457	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: YORK MEETING DATES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48458	From: Glenn	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48459	From: yorktown26	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48460	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Winers if the new style 2 Cruising Main kits, Advert, Sort of.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48461	From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: YOUTUBE: S Ga. Automatic Block, Using RR Concepts Switching Interfac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48462	From: frank emiro	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48463	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: York Wednesday Parking Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48464	From: boblines51	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Help with set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48465	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Help with set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48466	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Worlds biggest Erector set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48467	From: lember2004	Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: rivet removal methods/tools?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48468	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: 370 Wiring Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48469	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: 370 Wiring Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48470	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: rivet removal methods/tools?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48471	From: ecphora123	Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Using SHS Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48472	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: ERTL Farm Country sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48473	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: ERTL Farm Country sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48474	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: ERTL Farm Country sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48475	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/13/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48476	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48477	From: barb	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4031
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48478	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48479	From: barb	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: ERTL and !/64th figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48480	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Electrical help needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48481	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Electrical help needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48482	From: Coopers	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [S-Trains] Electrical help needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48483	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Electrical help needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48484	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/13/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48485	From: Glenn	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: READING RR MUSEUM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48486	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restore - clear coat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48487	From: charlie and edith	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Floor Pin Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48488	From: Mac	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4027
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48489	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48490	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Shakey Sam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48491	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48492	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restore - clear coat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48493	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48494	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Shakey Sam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48495	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Shakey Sam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48496	From: G C	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48497	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48498	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48499	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Brief York report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48500	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48501	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48502	From: G C	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48503	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48504	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48505	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48506	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: SHS trucks install followup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48507	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48508	From: G C	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: SHS trucks install followup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48509	From: James Hannawald	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: SHS trucks install followup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48510	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: It's that time again...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48511	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Shakey Sam Lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48512	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48513	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Putting SHS trucks on other manufacturers' cars.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48514	From: John Degnan	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Putting SHS trucks on other manufacturers' cars.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48515	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48516	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Putting SHS trucks on other manufacturers' cars.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48517	From: G C	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48518	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Know of any good connectors?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48519	From: David Engle	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48520	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Know of any good connectors?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48521	From: Glenn	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48522	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48523	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48524	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Know of any good connectors?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48525	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48526	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48527	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Know of any good connectors?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48528	From: Firewood	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48529	From: G C	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48530	From: John Degnan	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: ATTN : Jeff English
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48531	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Truck replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48532	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: York Report (from Strasburg)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48533	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Mark Boyd Visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48534	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: York Thursday Footnote
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48535	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Thursday in York.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48536	From: william cole	Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: York Thursday Footnote
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48537	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Re: Know of any good connectors?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48538	From: Michael Greene	Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: 4/17/2008 - 2008 NASG National Convention Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48539	From: roninscho9	Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: American Flyer collectable cards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48540	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Yorkin' on Friday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48541	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Thursday in York.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48542	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer collectable cards - ????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48543	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer collectable cards - ????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48544	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Repairing truck side plates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48545	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/20/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48546	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: The TRAIN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48547	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Saturday at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48548	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48549	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 4/20/2008
Subject: Re: The TRAIN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48550	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 4/20/2008
Subject: Re: NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48551	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 4/20/2008
Subject: Flyer Fest West update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48552	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/20/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48553	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/20/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/20/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48554	From: David	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Whistle Billboard #566 part needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48555	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48556	From: Coopers	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Whistle Billboard #566 part needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48557	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Whistle Billboard #566 part needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48558	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Railtruck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48559	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48560	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48561	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Whistle Billboard #566 part needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48562	From: David	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Whistle Billboard #566 part needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48563	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48564	From: michael prell	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48565	From: Grant	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48566	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48567	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48568	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48569	From: Larry Asp	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48570	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: Repairing truck side plates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48571	From: Al	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Whistle Billboard #566 part needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48572	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48573	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48574	From: william cole	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48575	From: John Eichmann	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Mikado Footage?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48576	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48577	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: Repairing truck side plates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48578	From: lvtrainmeet	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Model Train meet Allentown Pa 5/17 -5/18 2008
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48579	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: BigBoys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48580	From: piccu56	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Looking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48581	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: roadbed update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48582	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: AF Lionel display at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48583	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Pine Canyon Update, Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48584	From: michael prell	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel display at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48585	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] AF Lionel display at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48586	From: jpmatsick@yahoo.com	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] AF Lionel display at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48587	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48588	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] AF Lionel display at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48589	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Mikado Footage?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48590	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48591	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48592	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48593	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: York, April 2008
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48594	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48595	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48596	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Looking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48597	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48598	From: Don Rosa	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: AF Lionel display at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48599	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48600	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: York, April 2008 addition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48601	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel display at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48602	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: BigBoys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48603	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: S Scale Cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48604	From: mikenguy9	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: S HELPER DEALER WANTED (American Models o.k. also)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48605	From: mikenguy9	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: ordering tracks and otherstuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48606	From: mikenguy9	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: buying end bumpers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48607	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48608	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: RR Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48609	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Fw: Most Important items at York this weekend.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48610	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: AF Lionel display at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48611	From: David Engle	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale Cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48612	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Korea Brass and the BigBoy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48613	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale Cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48614	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48615	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: RR Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48616	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48617	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: AF Lionel Display at York -couplers [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48618	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: AF Lionel Display at York -couplers [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48619	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York -couplers [S-Trains] Digest Number 404
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48620	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: RR Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48621	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48622	From: rj4010d	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York -couplers [S-Trains] Digest Number 404
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48623	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Fw: Fw: Road Bed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48624	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Road Bed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48625	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48626	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Fw: road bed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48627	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Couplers (was Lionel AF York Display) [S-Trains] Digest Number 4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48628	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Couplers (was Lionel AF Display) [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48629	From: Jim V	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Repairing truck side plates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48630	From: Al	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Gargraves Wooden Ties For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48631	From: Al	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: RAILMASTER TRACK CONNECTING HARD RUBBER PADS - #1969279
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48632	From: warren_chadbourne	Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: S-Scale Bears
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48633	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale Bears
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48634	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Toledo Area Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48635	From: michael prell	Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale Bears
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48636	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/27/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48637	From: Paul Limone	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale Bears
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48638	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale Bears
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48639	From: Al	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: sold: RAILMASTER TRACK CONNECTING HARD RUBBER PADS - #1969279
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48640	From: John	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Road Bed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48641	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale Bears
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48642	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/27/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48643	From: jhwysopal	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: speaker wiring on a 375
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48644	From: Don Rosa	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: S-Scale Bears
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48645	From: Michael Martino	Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Fwd: I'm glad you rode my train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48646	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Smoke in tender mod
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48647	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale Bears
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48648	From: Michael Martino	Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Fwd: I'm glad you rode my train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48649	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: TOFC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48650	From: william cole	Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: TOFC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48651	From: bw_hansen	Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Log loaders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48652	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Going to the Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48653	From: John	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: Going to the Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48654	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: Going to the Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48655	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: TOFC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48656	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: TOFC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48657	From: roy inman	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: TOFC-S Fest car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48658	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: 314AW Service Station Instructions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48659	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48660	From: Edward G.	Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: NOMA Train station ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48661	From: John	Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: Re: NOMA Train station ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48662	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: Cruising Main Style 2 Advert, Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48663	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: Medical Report.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48664	From: 1sodak	Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: AF Prewar O Scale Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48665	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: S Scale Cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48666	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: Lionel cares about uS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48667	From: Edward G.	Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: LIONEL Out of Bankruptcy....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48668	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: Re: AM Alco PA-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48669	From: innotron	Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: AM Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48670	From: roy inman	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48671	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel cares about uS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48672	From: innotron	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48673	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48674	From: innotron	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48675	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/4/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48676	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48677	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48678	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Flyonel Christmas cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48679	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Home safe from S'Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48680	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Home safe from Spree, too...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48681	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Pacifc Rail Shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48682	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: A.M. engine with no box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48683	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48684	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifcs [S-Trains] Digest Number 4052
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48685	From: william cole	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: A.M. engine with no box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48686	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Smoke in tender mod
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48687	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48688	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: A.M. engine with no box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48689	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/4/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48690	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Smoke in tender mod
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48691	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Pacifc Rail Shops (regarding Flyer trucks)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48692	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: AF Casey Jones Experiment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48693	From: Grant	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Craigslist and the idiots who want flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48694	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: AF Casey Jones Experiment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48695	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Casey Jones experiment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48696	From: charlie and edith	Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Pacifc Rail Shops (regarding Flyer trucks)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48697	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48698	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48699	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48700	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48701	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48702	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Mobley Library Vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48703	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48704	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48705	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48706	From: G C	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Mike's Yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48707	From: G C	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48708	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Wiring part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48709	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mike's Yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48710	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48711	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48712	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48713	From: velapoldi	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48714	From: John	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48715	From: Rhett George	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48716	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Replacing AF Pilot Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48717	From: jim_marski	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: S Gauge in San Diego area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48718	From: innotron	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48719	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48720	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48721	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48722	From: Michael Greene	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: 7 May 2008 UPDATE: 2008 NASG National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48723	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel cares about uS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48724	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Flyer Fest West update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48725	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing AF Pilot Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48726	From: G C	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48727	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48728	From: innotron	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48729	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: layout Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48731	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48732	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Now Shipping Style 2, Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48733	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/11/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48734	From: Grant	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48735	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: WHISTLE CONTROLLER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48736	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Update on my Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48737	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: WHISTLE CONTROLLER in the train Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48738	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48739	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48740	From: John and Maria Harvey	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Model Railway Show Down Under
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48741	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WHISTLE CONTROLLER in the train Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48742	From: William Porter	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Question 1 - Semaphore 761
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48743	From: William Porter	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Question 2 - Greenberg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48744	From: dvprc	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question 2 - Greenberg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48745	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question 2 - Greenberg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48746	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WHISTLE CONTROLLER in the train Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48747	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/11/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48748	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WHISTLE CONTROLLER in the train Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48749	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WHISTLE CONTROLLER in the train Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48750	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48751	From: Firewood	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Capitalist trains, communist tracks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48752	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48753	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WHISTLE CONTROLLER in the train Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48754	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48755	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48756	From: ecphora123	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: SHS Ad on Back of S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48757	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48758	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48759	From: John Redford	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48760	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48761	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48762	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48763	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Layout Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48764	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48765	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48766	From: lvtrainmeet	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Good Train meet This weekend Allentown Pa off I-78
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48767	From: David	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Is Triple "S" Supplies out of business??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48768	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: A new members request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48769	From: James Hannawald	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Is Triple "S" Supplies out of business??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48770	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Pacifc Rail Shops (regarding Flyer trucks)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48771	From: Roy Meissner	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Is Triple "S" Supplies out of business??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48772	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Capitalist trains, communist tracks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48773	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Is Triple "S" Supplies out of business??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48774	From: Firewood	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Capitalist trains, communist tracks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48775	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Lowell Rooms Going Fast?? (was 7 May 2008 UPDATE: 2008 NASG National
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48776	From: iradiatevb	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: source for PRS 40 foot boxcars?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48777	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Water Has Arrived
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48778	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48779	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Lowell Rooms Going Fast?? (was 7 May 2008 UPDATE: 2008 NASG National
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48780	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48781	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Lowell Rooms Going Fast?? (was 7 May 2008 UPDATE: 2008 NASG Nati
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48782	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48783	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48784	From: Bob or Deb Guckian	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48785	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Lowell Rooms Going Fast?? (was 7 May 2008 UPDATE: 2008 NASG National
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48786	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48787	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: FFW this Saturday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48788	From: Firewood	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48789	From: G C	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48790	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48791	From: Al	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Model Railway Show Down Under
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48792	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: re;Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48793	From: John and Maria Harvey	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Model Railway Show Down Under
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48794	From: Gill W. Lott	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: MP 54 model
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48795	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Steam Loco Side rods & elongated holes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48796	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48797	From: Firewood	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48798	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: MRC Railpower 1370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48799	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Pacific Rail Shops do they have an E-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48800	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Loco Side rods & elongated holes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48801	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48802	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48803	From: Alan Evans	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Rail Shops do they have an E-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48804	From: Scale S Only	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Rail Shops do they have an E-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48805	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48806	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: FOR SALE : AM Heavyweight Passenger Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48807	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48808	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: MRC Railpwoer 1370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48809	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: How do you break side rods?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48810	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: source for PRS 40 foot boxcars?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48811	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: MRC Railpwoer 1370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48812	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: MRC Railpwoer 1370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48813	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/18/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48814	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48815	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48816	From: D Stoll	Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: S-Fest in Milwaukee for 2008
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48817	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48818	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: MRC Railpwoer 1370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48819	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/18/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48820	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Trains For Sale posted by a moderator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48821	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48822	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48823	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Trains For Sale posted by a moderator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48824	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Depot Days
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48825	From: barb	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Train Derailment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48826	From: jarmstr2	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48827	From: Trains	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Depot Days
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48828	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Train Derailment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48829	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Std Gage Shays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48830	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Depot Days
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48831	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: To Peter Loeb - Cheyenne Real Estate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48832	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Prototypical Turn Out Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48833	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Tender Pickup Wheels, number of
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48834	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Tender Pickup Wheels, number of
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48835	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Rail Shops do they have an E-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48836	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Tender Pickup Wheels, number of
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48837	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: 24422 box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48838	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Train derailment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48839	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Tender pickup wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48840	From: william cole	Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: conversation with a possible convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48841	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48842	From: william cole	Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48843	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48844	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: conversation with a possible convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48845	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Add'l Power pick up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48846	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Big locos, tight curves, and the like...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48847	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48848	From: John	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48849	From: John	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Small Diesels..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48850	From: John	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48851	From: Keith Erhart	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48852	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: This week as SHS and Robin's Display and Sample Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48853	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: Big locos, tight curves, and the like...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48854	From: Alan Evans	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48855	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: miller power axle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48856	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48857	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: 44 Tonner Pics (was 'conversation with a possible convert')
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48858	From: Glenn	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: 44 Tonner Pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48859	From: len_hall	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Portland Oregon Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48860	From: Jim King	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Clarification on upcoming diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48861	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48862	From: Grant	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48863	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Clarification on upcoming diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48864	From: william cole	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48865	From: David Engle	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48866	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48867	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Saving the Last Depot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48868	From: Orville Baxter	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48869	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: 24422 [S-Trains] Digest Number 4068
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48870	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48871	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48872	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Saving the Last Depot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48873	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: FOR SALE : AM Heavyweight Passenger Car second reply
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48874	From: Robert Boring	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48875	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48876	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48877	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Yahoo weirdness?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48878	From: James Hannawald	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48879	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48880	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: 30B vs 22080
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48881	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48882	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Animated billboards & signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48883	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: Animated billboards & signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48884	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48885	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: S Helper Field Grass!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48886	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/24/2008
Subject: Re: Animated billboards & signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48887	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/24/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/25/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48888	From: pkrae	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48889	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Albury Model Railway Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48890	From: Andrew	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: AF 375 lack of power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48891	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48892	From: The LANIERs	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: AF 375 lack of power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48893	From: Glenn	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Albury Model Railway Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48894	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Albury Model Railway Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48895	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/25/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48896	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48897	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48898	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48899	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48900	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Operating problems with old AF.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48901	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: Operating problems with old AF.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48902	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: Albury Model Railway Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48903	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Need 302 sheet metal tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48904	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Contact me asap if you need decals for Southern Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48905	From: Edward G.	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need 302 sheet metal tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48906	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need 302 sheet metal tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48907	From: Trains	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need 302 sheet metal tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48908	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Diesel motor questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48909	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Operating problems with old AF.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48910	From: Glenn	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel motor questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48911	From: Les Mavor	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Mountain Backdrops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48912	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel motor questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48913	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel motor questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48914	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel motor questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48915	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Operating problems with old AF.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48916	From: bstilesaf	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: stick link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48917	From: pkrae	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48918	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: 30B vs 22080
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48919	From: Chris	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel motor questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48920	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: READING RR MUSEUM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48921	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: S Scale Baseball Players
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48922	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: stick link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48923	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: AF 316 and 342
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48924	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale Baseball Players
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48925	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale Baseball Players
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48926	From: Scale S Only	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale Baseball Players
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48927	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: A matter of preference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48928	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: AF 316 and 342
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48929	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Old Flyer Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48930	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Test Armature and field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48931	From: biglou2_99	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48932	From: iradiatevb	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: New RTR freight cars from SSA...a review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48933	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: A matter of preference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48934	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: A matter of preference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48935	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Operating problems with old AF.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48936	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC.... REAL TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48937	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC.... REAL TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48938	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Operating problems with old AF.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48939	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC.... REAL TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48940	From: piccu56	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Operating problems with old AF.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48941	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Chug-Chug
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48942	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC.... REAL TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48943	From: biglou2_99	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48944	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48945	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: S Helper Field Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48946	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Pitching Mound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48947	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48948	From: bcgsteam	Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC.... REAL TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48949	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: S Friendly Hobbyshops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48950	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48951	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Fw: S Helper Infield
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48952	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: ballasting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48953	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/1/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48954	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Paint to match Flyer Alco truck frames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48955	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: PRR Presentation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48956	From: innotron	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Off Topic, big steam coming to San Diego
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48957	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: S Friendly Hobbyshops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48958	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Off Topic, big steam coming to San Diego
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48959	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48960	From: mcwb@juno.com	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48961	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/1/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48962	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Real Train Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48963	From: innotron	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Big Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48964	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48965	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: Big Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48966	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: FOR SALE 485/486
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48967	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Real Train Trip/Big Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48968	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Real Train Trip/Big Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48969	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Help needed!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48970	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: New RTR freight cars from SSA...a review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48971	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48972	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: Re: Real Train Trip/Big Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48973	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48974	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48975	From: Joe Haenn	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Real Train Trip/Big Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48976	From: Bradley	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Real Trains/Big Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48977	From: Glenn	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48978	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: FOR SALE 485/486
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48979	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48980	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Box question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48981	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Box question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48982	From: Edward G.	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48983	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48984	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Box question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48985	From: frank emiro	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48986	From: flheppe@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48987	From: bstilesaf	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: AF loco "governor?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48988	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Box question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48989	From: Scale S Only	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Real Trains/Big Steam 3751
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48990	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48991	From: Robert B. Leffingwell	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Roger Johnson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48992	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: AF loco "governor?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48993	From: Bill Adams	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Cleaning Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48994	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Box E-Bay WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48995	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: AF loco "governor?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48996	From: John and Maria Harvey	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Removing Rust and Restoring the Finish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48997	From: ken_5556	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Removing Rust and Restoring the Finish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48998	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 48999	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: SHS Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49000	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49001	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49002	From: ken_5556	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49003	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Removing Rust and Restoring the Finish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49004	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49005	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Box question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49006	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Plastic Strips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49007	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49008	From: frank emiro	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: AF loco "governor?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49009	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Removing Rust and Restoring the Finish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49010	From: The LANIERs	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: AF loco "governor?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49011	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49012	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/8/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49013	From: roy inman	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49014	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: how do I sing up for convention HOW MUCH $ $ $ $ $
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49015	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Would it be cheaper to just joun NASG than to sign up for conven
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49016	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49017	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Would it be cheaper to just joun NASG than to sign up for co
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49018	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49019	From: Scale S Only	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49020	From: John Degnan	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49021	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Mauldin, SC Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49022	From: roy inman	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49023	From: roy inman	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49024	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Scale vs. Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49025	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: My S building kit on -bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49026	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: My S building kit on -bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49027	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49028	From: John Degnan	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49029	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/8/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49030	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: For Sale, Brass Bershire Kit, S Block Building, N.A.S.G. Unit cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49031	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Fw: S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49032	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: can't get answers to 2 e-mails for rr concepts.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49033	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49034	From: Jim Oliver	Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Some Short Vids on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49035	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Some Short Vids on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49036	From: mikenguy9	Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: K4 462 AM any report on how much it can pull?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49037	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: NASG Convention --Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49038	From: Jerry Hiett	Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Removing Rust and Restoring the Finish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49039	From: dphobbies	Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar now Shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49040	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Any one want to sell some AM turnouts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49041	From: VB	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49042	From: David Engle	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar now Shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49043	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Closing Our Business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49044	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49045	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Mauldin SC Show Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49046	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49047	From: mike rosz	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: Any one want to sell some AM turnouts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49048	From: Glenn	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49049	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49050	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49051	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: S Helper Field, Ballast Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49052	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49053	From: Les Mavor	Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49054	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49055	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49056	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49057	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Last day to make offers: NIB Lionel Flyer engines & cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49058	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49060	From: hobo47203	Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Hoosier S Gaugers Summer Event - Location Change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49061	From: Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest	Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49062	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49063	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: SHS Open House: Thanks for the hospitality!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49064	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/15/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49065	From: John Degnan	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: 329 SAL STEAM Photos Now ONLINE!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49066	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49067	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Prewar talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49068	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49069	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49070	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: 329 SAL STEAM Photos Now ONLINE!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49071	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49072	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49073	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/15/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49074	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49075	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Any one want to sell some AM turnouts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49076	From: mike rosz	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Last day to make offers: NIB Lionel Flyer engines & cars for sal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49077	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: prewar talking stations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49078	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: prewar talking stations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49079	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: prewar talking stations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49080	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: AF Action Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49081	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: AF Action Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49082	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Securing Plastic Windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49083	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Securing plastic windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49084	From: The LANIERs	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Securing Plastic Windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49085	From: Trains	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Securing Plastic Windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49086	From: Al	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Gilbert HO train set for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49087	From: velapoldi	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: prewar talking stations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49088	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Securing Plastic Windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49089	From: William Porter	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: 760 Crossing Bulbs and Knurled Nuts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49090	From: piccu56	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49091	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: How I added smoke to an Alco PB unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49092	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: AF Action Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49093	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49094	From: mike rosz	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49095	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: S Ga. Billboard Image, 2008 Campaign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49096	From: Andrew	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Securing Plastic Windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49097	From: Scottish Shop	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Santa Fe Alco Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49098	From: Dennis H	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: AEROTRAIN wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49099	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49100	From: Sam Blum	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: trade s scale for hirail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49101	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: 760 Crossing Bulbs and Knurled Nuts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49102	From: Trains	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: trade s scale for hirail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49103	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49104	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: How I added smoke to an Alco PB unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49105	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: was AM Pacifics, now is CROSSOVERS with AF SWITCHES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49106	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Santa Fe paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49107	From: Firewood	Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Interesting device for the hobby manufacturers out there?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49108	From: Trains	Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: S gauger seeking home and S enthusiats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49109	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: was AM Pacifics, now is CROSSOVERS with AF SWITCHES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49110	From: Larry Moore	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49111	From: frank emiro	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: How I added smoke to an Alco PB unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49112	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49113	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: How I added smoke to an Alco PB unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49114	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: switches/turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49115	From: Larry Moore	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49116	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49117	From: Grant	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: A weird day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49118	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49119	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Securing Plastic Windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49120	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Santa Fe Alco Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49121	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: prewar talking stations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49122	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49123	From: Larry Moore	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Sante Fe Repaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49124	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: A weird day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49125	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Sante Fe Repaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49126	From: srgriggs	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49127	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Beyer-Garratt in S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49128	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Sante Fe Repaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49129	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49130	From: spyderweb@uwalumni.com	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49131	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Window adhesive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49133	From: Al Baker	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49134	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49135	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49137	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: How to learn, was - Re: [S-Trains] Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49138	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: FRANKLIN TRAIN IN THE MOVIES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49139	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49140	From: Scottish Shop	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Santa Fe Alco Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49141	From: mike rosz	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49142	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49143	From: Murray Hartzer	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [S-Trains] Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49144	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: RE;re:Beyer-Garratt in S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49145	From: Scale S Only	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49146	From: Roger W. Zuerlein	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49147	From: Al Baker	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49148	From: jim oliver	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Some Short Vids on YouTube - Corrected utube Link!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49149	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49150	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49151	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49152	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49153	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49154	From: Firewood	Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Beyer-Garratt in S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49155	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49156	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: 760 Crossing Bulbs and Knurled Nuts BUYING NUTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49157	From: Mark Middleton	Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: An introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49158	From: 1sodak	Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: 715 Car Unloader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49159	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: An introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49160	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: An introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49161	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Re: An introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49162	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Albuquerque hobby shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49163	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Re: Albuquerque hobby shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49164	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: 715 Car Unloader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49165	From: Bill Adams	Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Cleaning Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49166	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: Albuquerque hobby shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49167	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: Albuquerque hobby shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49168	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Sad News From Local Train Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49169	From: lember2004	Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: ? about the Amer. Flyer 23743 Track Maintenance Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49170	From: lember2004	Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: a ? about American Flyer 24578 Corvette flat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49171	From: Jerry MATT Matsick	Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] PA Road Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49172	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: PA Road Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49173	From: roy inman	Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: Sad News From Local Train Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49174	From: piccu56	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: ? about the Amer. Flyer 23743 Track Maintenance Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49175	From: piccu56	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: New 787 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49176	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sad News From Local Train Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49177	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Something you don't see every day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49178	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sad News From Local Train Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49179	From: Mark Middleton	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Thanks!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49180	From: William Porter	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49181	From: lember2004	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: replies to Corvette car & track maintenance car ?'s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49182	From: Grant	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sad News From Local Train Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49183	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49184	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: On non-flyer S, and those track maintenance cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49185	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day - Digest Number 4108
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49186	From: lember2004	Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Marx S reference? [was: On non-flyer S, and those track maintenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49187	From: William Porter	Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Marx S reference? - One More On Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49188	From: William Porter	Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Marx S reference? [was: On non-flyer S, and those track maintena
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49189	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49190	From: lember2004	Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Marx S reference? - One More On Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49191	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49192	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49193	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49194	From: Jim King	Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Need modeler's input
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49195	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49196	From: Trains	Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Need modeler's input
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49197	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49198	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Need modeler's input
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49199	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Thrust plate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49200	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Thrust plate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49201	From: Gale Hall	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Thrust plate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49202	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Thrust plate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49203	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Thrust Plate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49204	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: All Aboard Winter Set 20814
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49205	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Feedback on Thrust Plates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49206	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Feedback on Thrust Plates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49207	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49208	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: I'm looking for info on the 1956 B- unit with Roar #471
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49209	From: John and Maria Harvey	Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: AC Gilbert's Grandson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49210	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: Re: I'm looking for info on the 1956 B- unit with Roar #471
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49211	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: Feedback on Thrust Plates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49212	From: g94a95	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49213	From: race944t	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Several armored cars for sale???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49214	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: American Models Freight Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49215	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: Several armored cars for sale???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49216	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: Several armored cars for sale???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49217	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: Several armored cars for sale???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49218	From: pkrae	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: FLYER CABOOSES.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49219	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: Several armored cars for sale???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49220	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49221	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cabooses, armored cars and eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49222	From: G C	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: FLYER CABOOSES.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49223	From: Gale Hall	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: FLYER CABOOSES.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49224	From: G C	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: FLYER CABOOSES.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49225	From: pkrae	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: FLYER CABOOSES.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49226	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/6/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49227	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: FLYER CABOOSES.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49228	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: American Models Freight Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49229	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Flyer cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49230	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Seeking USPS, AF-Themed Mailbox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49231	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49232	From: papehoward	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Correct whistle control for 360/361
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49233	From: G C	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49234	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: S Scale interiors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49235	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Correct whistle control for 360/361
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49236	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49237	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Flyer cabooses - diverging topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49238	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cabooses - diverging topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49239	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/6/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49240	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49241	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: For Sale: American Models freight car pix are now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49242	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49243	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: latest photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49244	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: latest photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49245	From: Trains	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49246	From: G C	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49247	From: Glenn	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: latest photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49248	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49249	From: pkrae	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49250	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: latest photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49251	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: latest photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49252	From: Gale Hall	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Wabash caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49253	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wabash caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49254	From: G C	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49255	From: pkrae	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49256	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Lionel Does Not Care About Its Customers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49257	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Does Not Care About Its Customers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49258	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Does Not Care About Its Customers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49259	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Electrical pick up shoes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49260	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49261	From: rwferr1	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49262	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Seeking USPS, AF-Themed Mailbox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49263	From: pkrae	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49264	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Marx Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49265	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: RE;Introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49266	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Marx Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49267	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Electrical pick up shoes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49268	From: G C	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49269	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Electrical pick up shoes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49270	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49271	From: G C	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49272	From: acgtx	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Restring AF 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49273	From: pkrae	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49274	From: paflyrman	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49275	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: Restring AF 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49276	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: LIONEL standing behind their products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49277	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49278	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel does not care about their customers -- Digest Number 4117
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49279	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale interiors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49280	From: Grant	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Does Not Care About Its Customers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49281	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel does not care about their customers -- Digest Number 4117
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49282	From: roy inman	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel does not care about their customers-2-8-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49283	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Grade Transitions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49284	From: Pat Turner	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: FinestKind Models Price Increase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49285	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Grade Transitions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49286	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: AF Withdrawal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49287	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel does not care about their
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49288	From: Jim King	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: New S scale car kit available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49289	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Grade traisition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49290	From: Scale S Only	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Grade Transitions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49291	From: gettysburg9	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Which Movie/ Model Trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49292	From: The LANIERs	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Which Movie/ Model Trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49293	From: acgtx	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49294	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Which Movie/ Model Trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49295	From: roy inman	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Which Movie/ Model Trains?-PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49296	From: roy inman	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Which Movie/ Model Trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49297	From: charlie and edith	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: AF Withdrawal / Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49298	From: Trains	Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: Re: AF Withdrawal / Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49299	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: Grade Transitions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49300	From: John Stevens	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Grade Transitions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49301	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: Grade Transitions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49302	From: Scale S Only	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: Grade Transitions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49303	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Grade Transitions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49304	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: Grade Transitions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49305	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: Grade Transitions - Popsicle Sticks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49306	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Grade Transitions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49307	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Maximum Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49308	From: afjerryk5	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Mythbusters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49309	From: Edward G.	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Grade Percentages......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49310	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: PRR L1 wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49311	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Greenberg Guide for Crown Models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49312	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: Maximum Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49313	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: 4611-A SET FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49314	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Looking for supplier of custom decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49315	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Greenberg Guide for Crown Models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49316	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for supplier of custom decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49317	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Which Movie/ Model Trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49318	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: how much is it to join NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49319	From: Bob Peters	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Ribbon cable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49320	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: how much is it to join NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49321	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Found: suppliers of custom decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49322	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/13/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49323	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Crown Models and K-Line freight cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49324	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Today's Bike Ride
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49325	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ribbon cable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49326	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/13/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49327	From: Grant	Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Flyer wrappers, boxes & envelopes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49328	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for supplier of custom decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49329	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ribbon cable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49330	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: For Sale: American Models freight car pix are now onlin e
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49331	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for supplier of custom decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49332	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: For Sale: American Models freight car pix are now onlin e
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49333	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Weld repair of a crosshead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49334	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: For Sale: American Models freight car pix are now onlin e
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49335	From: ken garber	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: custom decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49336	From: John Foley	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: S Bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49337	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Train Show...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49338	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Pony Photos Posted to Gallery - Off Topic But asked For
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49339	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Weld repair of a crosshead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49340	From: bstilesaf	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49341	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Train Show...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49342	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49343	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Check out Companies that vanished: Lionel Corp., synonymous with toy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49344	From: Trains	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} not exactly S but really neat RC stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49345	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Jim Lyle at NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49346	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49347	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Things to see in New England while at NASG Conference?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49348	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Re: Things to see in New England while at NASG Conference?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49349	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Re: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49350	From: Coopers	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Repair of AF 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49351	From: rwferr1	Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Thanks for your welcome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49352	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Green Monster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49353	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Re: Green Monster - Distance Signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49354	From: John and Maria Harvey	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Paint Remover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49355	From: Jim King	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: New S scale dealer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49356	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Latest S Helper Field Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49357	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Green Monster - Distance Signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49358	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Remover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49359	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Remover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49360	From: William Porter	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: No. 14 Rectiformer Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49361	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Remover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49362	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: I have had no word on the repair from any one yet???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49363	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: No. 14 Rectiformer Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49364	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Latest S Helper Field Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49365	From: Ed	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Weld repair of a crosshead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49366	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: PVMR Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49367	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: I have had no word on the repair from any one yet???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49368	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: I have had no word on the repair from any one yet???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49369	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: Weld repair of a crosshead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49370	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Lionel 974 Baggage Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49371	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Weld repair of a crosshead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49372	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Paint Remover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49373	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: It's SHOWTIME
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49374	From: Trains	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Remover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49375	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: Weld repair of a crosshead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49376	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel 974 Baggage Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49377	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: 342AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49378	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: How to Post Links to Photos Etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49379	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: 342AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49380	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: 342AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49381	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: 342AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49382	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Green Monster - Distance Signs - Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49383	From: bstilesaf	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: S-Helper Service e-unit lock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49384	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49385	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/20/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49386	From: The LANIERs	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49387	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49388	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: How to Post Links to Photos Etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49389	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Green Monster - Distance Signs - Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49390	From: William Porter	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49391	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: More about the custom Frank & Casey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49392	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49393	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: More about the custom Frank & Casey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49394	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: The Little Train That Could
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49395	From: Scale S Only	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: More about the custom Frank & Casey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49396	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49397	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/20/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49398	From: lember2004	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49399	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49400	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49401	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49402	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49403	From: Larry Asp	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49404	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49405	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper Service e-unit lock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49406	From: lember2004	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: follow up to ? on removing/re-attaching 'rivets' holding bodies to f
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49407	From: lember2004	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49408	From: lember2004	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49409	From: hjsheff	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: train message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49410	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: PVMR Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49411	From: Scale S Only	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper Service e-unit lock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49412	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper Service e-unit lock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49413	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper Service e-unit lock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49414	From: Eric R.	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: train message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49415	From: Iron Horse	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: Things to see in New England while at NASG Conference?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49416	From: bw_hansen	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Log Loader wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49417	From: chasesmithus	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: Log Loader wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49418	From: piccu56	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: Log Loader wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49419	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49420	From: William Porter	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Sceniking Backdrops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49421	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: NMRA/NTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49422	From: D. Winslow	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Train shows in NH?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49423	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49424	From: John Foley	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: A real neat S bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49425	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: S Helper Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49426	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49427	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Train shows in NH?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49428	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49429	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49430	From: omahakid2003	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Prototype for the AF bay window cupola caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49431	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: NMRA/NTS Redux...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49432	From: William Porter	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49433	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49434	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: For Sale .148 AM flex track and turnouts new and used
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49435	From: D. Winslow	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Train shows in NH?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49436	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49437	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49438	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49439	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49440	From: Ed	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49441	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: More NMRA/NTS...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49442	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49443	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49444	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49445	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: DCC Action Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49446	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49447	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49448	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49449	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49450	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Posted New Photos of Custom Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49451	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: HO Street Light
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49452	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Flyer bay window/cupola caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49453	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49454	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: AM Budd Plastic Diaphrams for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49455	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49456	From: Jim King	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Herald King is back in business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49457	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Garage project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49458	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49459	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Garage project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49460	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Link to Posted New Photos of Custom Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49461	From: Edward G.	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Garage project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49462	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: (Really!) Link to Posted New Photos of Custom Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49463	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Posted New Photos of Custom Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49464	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer bay window/cupola caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49465	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: For Sale Pennsy Heavyweight Pullman Passenger Car Decals-S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49466	From: Ed	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Posted New Photos of Custom Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49467	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: QUESTION ABOUT BRAND L!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49468	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49469	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Cattle Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49470	From: G C	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer bay window/cupola caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49471	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49472	From: Trains	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49473	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Budd Diaphrams previously posted are Sold-thanks for your interest!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49474	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49475	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Posted New Photos of Custom Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49476	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49477	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Tragedy at S Helper Field Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49478	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: New pictures and pages at TheGilbertGallery.org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49479	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Tragedy at S Helper Field Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49480	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: DCC Decoder Action Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49481	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Milk Can Disaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49482	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Great Day at Last!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49483	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy at S Helper Field Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49484	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Great Day at Last!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49485	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Milk Can Distance Picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49486	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Big L vol 2 Catalog online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49487	From: roy inman	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Big L vol 2 Catalog online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49488	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Milk Can Distance Picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49489	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: AM Streamline coach and 2 SHS freight cars for sale, PBLs D&RGRR Sar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49490	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Progress Rpt: S ga Auto. Switching Block
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49491	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/27/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49492	From: Jim King	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: New S scale kit available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49493	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: AM Streamline coach and 2 SHS freight cars for sale, PBLs D&RG..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49494	From: mikenguy9	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: American Flyer ribbon wire replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49495	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Need Ace-like Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49496	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Milk Can Distance Picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49497	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need Ace-like Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49498	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer ribbon wire replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49499	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need Ace-like Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49500	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need Ace-like Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49501	From: Scale S Only	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need Ace-like Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49502	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need Ace-like Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49503	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/27/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49504	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: B&O Wagtontop?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49505	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: 27 July 2008: 2008 NASG Convention Last Minute Updates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49506	From: Iron Horse	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Train shows in NH?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49507	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Decals, anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49508	From: Gale Hall	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Decals, anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49509	From: D. Winslow	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Train shows in NH?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49510	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Decals, anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49511	From: rwferr1	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Decals, anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49512	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Decals, anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49513	From: David	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Steam Generator Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49514	From: George Cohn	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49515	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49516	From: lember2004	Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle: How about the 710 whistle with the slid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49517	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49518	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49519	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Layout Update.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49520	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49521	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle: How about the 710 whistle with the slid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49522	From: lember2004	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: help curing link couplers that stick in the up position
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49523	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49524	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Decals anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49525	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Fw: Brass Bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49526	From: Scottish Shop	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Protecting Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49527	From: roy inman	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: FW: Alton elevator-Maybe in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49528	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Protecting Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49529	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: help curing link couplers that stick in the up position
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49530	From: Trains	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle: How about the 710 whistle with the slid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49531	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: MP-54
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49532	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Layout Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49533	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Wood Has Arrived!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49534	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: S-Helper caboose and track for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49535	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: HAVE FUN!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49536	From: Ben Perry	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: HAVE FUN!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49537	From: Glenn	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: HAVE FUN!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49538	From: lember2004	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: HAVE FUN!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49539	From: Scale S Only	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: HAVE FUN!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49540	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Mikes Wall Display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49541	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: HAVE FUN!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49542	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49543	From: John Degnan	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: HAVE FUN!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49544	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mikes Wall Display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49545	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49546	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting development
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49547	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle: How about the 710 whistle with the slid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49548	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49549	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Ma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49550	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Today In Toytrain history
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49551	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Ma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49552	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Ma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49553	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Have Fun!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49554	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mike, Ya Just missed 'em!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49555	From: rebendever	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Special Announcement: The 1:64 Modeling Guide has a New Owner!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49556	From: Scaler164@comcast.net	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Have Fun!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49557	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Ma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49558	From: William Porter	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Transformer Phasing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49559	From: roy inman	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: FW: Alton elevator kit-another question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49560	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mike, Ya Just missed 'em!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49561	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Excursion Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49562	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Ma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49563	From: D. Winslow	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Transformer Phasing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49564	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Special Announcement: The 1:64 Modeling Guide has a New Owner!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49565	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Transformer Phasing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49566	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Going to Lowell - Lenz set 100 & 90
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49567	From: John Stevens	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Christmas car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49568	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Ma
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49569	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Christmas car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49570	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Grabber
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49571	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Christmas car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49572	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/3/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49573	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Christmas car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49574	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49575	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/3/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49576	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: FW: Alton elevator kit-another question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49577	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Crown Model Products?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49578	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Crown Model Products?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49579	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: L&N Items on Ebay this week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49580	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Transformer Phasing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49581	From: jhwysopal	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: control buttons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49582	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Today In Toytrain history
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49583	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: SHS sectional track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49584	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Transformer Phasing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49585	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: control buttons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49586	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4146
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49587	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Transformer Phasing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49588	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: greenberg book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49589	From: mikenguy9	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: American Flyer's 1 1/2 transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49590	From: roy inman	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: SHS sectional track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49591	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: greenberg book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49592	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49593	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: help curing link couplers that stick in the up position
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49594	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: No Christmas car this
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49595	From: jim patterson	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: coupler lube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49596	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: help curing link couplers that stick in the up position
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49597	From: jim patterson	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: 2008 Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49598	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: control buttons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49599	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Christmas car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49600	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Lionel American Flyer Christmas cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49601	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Lionel American Flyer Christmas cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49602	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49603	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: SHS sectional track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49604	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: for sale: Gilbert AF Orange-Stripe Streamliners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49605	From: Robert Nelson	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49606	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Transformer Phasing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49607	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: 2008 Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49608	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Vanishing terminals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49609	From: ecphora123	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: American Flyer Reference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49610	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Baseball Team
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49611	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Reference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49612	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Baseball team arrives photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49613	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Reference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49614	From: Jim King	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Igloo water coolers available in S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49615	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: For sale: seven aluminum 66x series cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49616	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Reference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49617	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: Baseball Team
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49618	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49619	From: roy inman	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49620	From: G C	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Reference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49621	From: bw_hansen	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: New layout photo album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49622	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: SHS sectional track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49623	From: alansherryb	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: New layout photo album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49624	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Gaint Milk Bottle Arrives!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49625	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Complaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49626	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Pluto Water and Old Dutch cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49627	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Baseball Team
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49628	From: Bill	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: www.thesupplycar.com for access to S Scale items and TOMALCO parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49629	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Reference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49630	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Pluto Water and Old Dutch cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49631	From: Bob Anson	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Pluto Water and Old Dutch cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49632	From: John Stevens	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: New layout photo album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49633	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Ballpark is done!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49634	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Ball park is Done!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49635	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: EVA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49636	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Additonal Basefield item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49637	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Citgo Field Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49638	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/10/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49639	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: New layout photo album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49640	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] EVA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49641	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Ball park is Done!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49642	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Views from space
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49643	From: John	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: New Project for my layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49644	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Question for ya'll down south.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49645	From: roy inman	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: AM Alco PA units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49646	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/10/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49647	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Question for ya'll down south.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49648	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: AM Alco PA units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49649	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49650	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: York, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49651	From: John	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49652	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Citgo Field Pictures - More Hispanic Friends for Che
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49653	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Rotary Dumping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49654	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Citgo Field Pictures - More Hispanic Friends for Che
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49655	From: John	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Rotary Dumping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49656	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: New Railroad in RI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49657	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question for ya'll down south.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49658	From: Glenn	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: NASG CONVENTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49659	From: dphobbies	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: All New S Gauge Freight Car Arrives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49660	From: afjerryk5	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: M2 diecast cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49661	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: All New S Gauge Freight Car Arrives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49662	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: All New S Gauge Freight Car Arrives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49663	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: M2 diecast cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49664	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Che
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49665	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Revolution!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49666	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49667	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: New layout photo album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49668	From: John	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49669	From: Glenn	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: NEXT YEARS NASG CONVENTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49670	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: AF Bay Window/Cupola Caboose Prototype--NOT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49671	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: AF Bay Window/Cupola Caboose Prototype--NOT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49672	From: G C	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: AF Bay Window/Cupola Caboose Prototype--NOT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49673	From: afjerryk5	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: AF bay window/cupola caboose-almost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49674	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: AF bay window/cupola caboose-almost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49675	From: G C	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: AF bay window/cupola caboose-almost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49676	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49677	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: New layout photo album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49678	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Streamline cupola caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49679	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: S Scalers In North Georgia?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49680	From: G C	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Streamline cupola caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49681	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: AF bay window/cupola caboose-almost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49682	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: S Scalers In North Georgia?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49683	From: afjerryk5	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: caboose almost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49684	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: It ain't prototypical! ;-)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49685	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49686	From: Scaler164@comcast.net	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: S Scalers In North Georgia?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49687	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49688	From: Grant	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49689	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49690	From: Bill Lohr	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49691	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49692	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49693	From: Phil K	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49694	From: John	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49695	From: lou342ac	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49696	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Scoreboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49697	From: len_hall	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Lionel BigBoy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49698	From: David Engle	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49699	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49700	From: roy inman	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel BigBoy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49701	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: MTH/KMT Lawsuit Settled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49702	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel BigBoy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49703	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49704	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Last Accessory Wired
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49705	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: BigBoy--Delivery Date Undetermined
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49706	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49707	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: RE;re;It ain't prototypical ;-)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49708	From: G C	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: RE;re;It ain't prototypical ;-)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49709	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49710	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale interiors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49711	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49712	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Engieer Bill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49713	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Vehicles...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49714	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: It isn't prototypical! ;-)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49715	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel BigBoy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49716	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: re;It's ain't prototypical...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49717	From: Trains	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49718	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49719	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Videos, NASG Hotel Layouts in Lowell MA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49720	From: G C	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: re;It's ain't prototypical...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49721	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel BigBoy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49722	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49724	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Railway Guns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49725	From: G C	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Railway Guns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49726	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Railway Guns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49727	From: Glenn	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: TOMS TURNOUTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49728	From: Glenn	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: VIMEO VIDEOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49729	From: G C	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Railway Guns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49730	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Engieer Bill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49731	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: PLASTICVILLE FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49732	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/17/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49733	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: VIMEO VIDEOS: Corrected Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49734	From: jim_marski	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Part needed- door for UP 24076 stockcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49735	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Railway guns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49736	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Invaders from Mars.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49737	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel BigBoy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49738	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: TOMS TURNOUTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49739	From: daysend40	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: 1/64 Scale Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49740	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel BigBoy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49741	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49742	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49743	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/17/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49744	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49745	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49746	From: John	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49747	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49748	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49749	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49750	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Alco C Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49751	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: American Models PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49753	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: RE;re;It ain't prototypical ;-)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49754	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Che Photo Op
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49755	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49756	From: Grant	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49757	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: DCC question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49758	From: David Engle	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Alco C Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49759	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: American Models PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49760	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: American Models PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49761	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: DCC question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49762	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Reference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49763	From: roy inman	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: American Models PA-another question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49764	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: American Models PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49765	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49766	From: G C	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49767	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Train reference book?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49768	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Alco C Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49769	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: DCC question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49770	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49771	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49772	From: faltrain5	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Hey Guys and Gals, gotta a serious question???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49773	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Train reference book?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49774	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Cow sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49775	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: AF cows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49776	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Hey Guys and Gals, gotta a serious question???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49777	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Alco C Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49778	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Replacement traction wheels??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49779	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Hey Guys and Gals, gotta a serious question???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49780	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Train reference book?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49781	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: American Models PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49782	From: Phil K	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Hey Guys and Gals, gotta a serious question???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49783	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: For sale: Newly Released Flyonel 2008 freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49784	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Serious question:Pull-Mor traction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49785	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49786	From: chasesmithus	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Flyer cannon car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49787	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Hey Guys and Gals, gotta a serious question???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49788	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Replacement PullMor Rims
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49789	From: G C	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cannon car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49790	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds - Sample Sound System Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49791	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Replacement PullMor Rims
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49792	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49793	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds - Sample Sound System Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49794	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Replacement PullMor Rims
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49795	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Engieer Bill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49796	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49797	From: Trains	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Replacement PullMor Rims
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49798	From: John	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds - Sample Sound System Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49799	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds - Sample Sound System Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49800	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49801	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49802	From: Tom	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49803	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49804	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Modelers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49805	From: William Porter	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49806	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49807	From: The LANIERs	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49808	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49809	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49810	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: The York Secret
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49811	From: Trains	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49812	From: piccu56	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49813	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49814	From: ham_45242	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Reverse Loop Implementation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49815	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49816	From: Coopers	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49817	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49818	From: CyberSavant	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49819	From: roy inman	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49820	From: Trains	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49821	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49822	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49823	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49824	From: George Cohn	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49825	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49826	From: Larry Asp	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49827	From: G C	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49828	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: HOW DO YOU BUY TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49829	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/24/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49830	From: John	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: New Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49831	From: John	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Safety Loading Racks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49832	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49833	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49834	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49835	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49836	From: David Engle	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49837	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49838	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49839	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49840	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/24/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49841	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Greenberg Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49842	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49843	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49844	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49845	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49846	From: G C	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49847	From: Glenn	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49848	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49849	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49850	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49851	From: John	Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49852	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49853	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49854	From: David Engle	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49855	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Roadway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49856	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: An eBay rant.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49857	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: DCC and Miller power trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49858	From: spyderweb@uwalumni.com	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: An eBay rant.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49859	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Roadway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49860	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: An eBay rant.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49861	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Sound for DC Steamers??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49862	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49863	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49864	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49865	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49866	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49867	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49868	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: An eBay rant.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49869	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49870	From: rwferr1	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: 2 prong plug wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49871	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49872	From: Trains	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: 2 prong plug wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49873	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49874	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49875	From: Trains	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Nord Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49876	From: The LANIERs	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: An eBay rant.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49877	From: Trains	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49878	From: raleigh	Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Nord Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49879	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: 7 Layout Videos, Lowell Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49880	From: raleigh	Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Nord Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49881	From: uvl97222	Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: The new Big boy train we were all talking about for 2008....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49882	From: G C	Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big boy train we were all talking about for 2008....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49883	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big boy train we were all talking about for 2008....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49884	From: John	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big boy train we were all talking about for 2008....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49885	From: G C	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big boy train we were all talking about for 2008....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49886	From: Trains	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Nord Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49887	From: G C	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Atlas Contact Information
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49888	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49889	From: G C	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49890	From: Robert Boring	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Fw: [4L] News: Oso has acquired NorthWest Short Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49891	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Sound Controllers for AM Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49892	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Sound Controllers for AM Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49893	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Fw: [4L] News: Oso has acquired NorthWest Short Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49894	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Sound Controllers for AM Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49895	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Using Lionel Bell/Horn activations buttons.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49896	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Loco control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49897	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Sound Controllers for AM Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49898	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Question ?? 24529 Flood light car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49899	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Sound Controllers for AM Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49900	From: G C	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Question ?? 24529 Flood light car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49901	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: 806 caboose variation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49902	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: 806 caboose variation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49903	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Scoreboard, Roadway update.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49904	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Sound Controllers for AM Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49905	From: John	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Scoreboard, Roadway update.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49906	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Scoreboard, Roadway update.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49907	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: 806 caboose variation, Digest Number 4171
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49908	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: 806 caboose variation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49909	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Robert Graves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49910	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Need 644 boom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49911	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Need 644 boom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49912	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Need 644 boom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49913	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: CRANE PARTS 644
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49914	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/31/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49915	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Need 644 Crane Boom - update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49916	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Cord replacement on 8B transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49917	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re Building Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49918	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Check out Classic Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49919	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49920	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: How is this for UP railroad memorabilia?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49921	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: NETCA cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49922	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant SHS commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49923	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: October RMC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49924	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/31/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49925	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question ?? 24529 Flood light car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49926	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49927	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Correction to new S web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49928	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S scale couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49929	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49930	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49931	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49932	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49933	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49934	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49935	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} S scale couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49936	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49937	From: Andrew Buczko	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re Building Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49938	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49939	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: flood light car #24529
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49940	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49941	From: raleigh	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S scale couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49942	From: raleigh	Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S scale couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49943	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: roadbad material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49944	From: Trains	Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Re%3ACorrection%20to%20new%20S%20web%20site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49945	From: Trains	Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S scale couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49946	From: Trains	Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49947	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Roadbed material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49948	From: roy inman	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Texas Special
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49949	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: CRESCENT CITY S-GAUGERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49950	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: roadbad material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49951	From: Trains	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: ALL S-Scale S- Gaugers; Hi-Rail; AF or couch potatoes Kadee could
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49952	From: race944t	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: roadbad material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49953	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Sound reasoning?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49954	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: roadbad material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49955	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Limiting Blog Page Length (was Building Web Pages)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49956	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: roadbad material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49957	From: strain97009	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: SHS 2-8-0's For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49958	From: Trains	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Brass S Kadee couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49959	From: Trains	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Fw: Question About S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49960	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: ALL S-Scale S- Gaugers; Hi-Rail; AF or couch potatoes Kadee coul
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49961	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: roadbad material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49962	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49963	From: rwferr1	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: 630 caboose wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49964	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Last Lowell Video, & Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49965	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Brass S Kadee couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49966	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: 48410 LTI TANK TRAIN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49967	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Roadbed response (again)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49968	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed response (again)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49969	From: Ed	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: New Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49970	From: William Porter	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed response (again)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49971	From: roy inman	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: ALL S-Scale S- Gaugers; Hi-Rail; AF or couch potatoes Kadee coul
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49972	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Eva
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49973	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] model train horror movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49974	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: model train horror movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49975	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Roadbed material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49976	From: bud9351	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: S Helper Boraxo hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49977	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Model Train Horror Movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49978	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Eva
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49979	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: New Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49980	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed response (again)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49981	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Eva
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49982	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Eva
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49983	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Eva
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49984	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Eva
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49985	From: G C	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Eva
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49986	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Marx Women
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49987	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: s- in Norway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49988	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49989	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed response (again)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49990	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: 630 caboose wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49991	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49992	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: 630 caboose wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49993	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49994	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Silly Season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49995	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49996	From: Trains	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49997	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49998	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Silly Season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 49999	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: s- in Norway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50000	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: s- in Norway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50001	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Silly Season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50002	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Silly Season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50003	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Silly Season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50004	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Silly Season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50005	From: Trains	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: To: S lS list S-Scale and S-Trains moderatorists S-Scale and S-Tr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50006	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Something completely different...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50007	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Something completely different...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50008	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: To: S lS list S-Scale and S-Trains moderatorists S-Scale and S-T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50009	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: You want truck and autos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50010	From: Trains	Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: To: S lS list S-Scale and S-Trains moderatorists S-Scale and
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50011	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/7/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50012	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: American Models K-4 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50013	From: Trains	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re; Couplers and recent discussions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50014	From: Trains	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Roll-up doors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50015	From: Andrew	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Steam shovel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50016	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Something completely different...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50017	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Scoreboard Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50018	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: American Models K-4 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50019	From: David Held	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: S Trains for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50020	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: American Models K-4 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50021	From: tcalcut	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: American Models K-4 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50022	From: Trains	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Steam shovel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50023	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/7/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50024	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Steam shovel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50025	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Help identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50026	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: CONST. EQUIP 1/64th & 1/50th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50027	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50028	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Models K-4 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50029	From: piccu56	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50030	From: lvtrainmeet	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Train Meet this weekend in Allentown Pa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50031	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Train Meet this weekend in Allentown Pa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50032	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50033	From: N Becker	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Steam shovel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50034	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50035	From: John	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50036	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50037	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Help identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50038	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: 1/4 inch white numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50039	From: bandmancwc	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: custom cut track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50040	From: zdava	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: New link to photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50041	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50042	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50043	From: Steve Wolcott	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: CRESCENT CITY S-GAUGERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50044	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50045	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50046	From: Trains	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50047	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Help identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50048	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50049	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50050	From: William Porter	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New link to photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50051	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: A different O/S issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50052	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New link to photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50053	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New link to photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50054	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50055	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut S-trax track sections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50056	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50057	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: One good report on MWINTERNETAUCTIONS (E-BAY)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50058	From: G C	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50059	From: Barry	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50060	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50061	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50062	From: Randall Hicks	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: A different O/S issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50063	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50064	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50065	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50066	From: G C	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50067	From: G C	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50068	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50069	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50070	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50071	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: O Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50072	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Question converting O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50073	From: Barry	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50074	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50075	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50076	From: The LANIERs	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50077	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50078	From: John Keating	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Allentown Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50079	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Allentown Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50080	From: G C	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50081	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50082	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: TCA TRAIN SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50083	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: FLAT CARS FS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50084	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50085	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50086	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Wheels and traction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50087	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: OFFICIAL SERGENT COUPLER UPDATE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50088	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Allentown Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50089	From: ken garber	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4184
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50090	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50091	From: Trains	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4184
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50092	From: Barry	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50093	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50094	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: CONVERTING O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50095	From: G C	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50096	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: TERMINOLOGY ( Was "Question on converting O to S" )
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50097	From: Jim King	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: New S scale products coming soon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50098	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: ebay question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50099	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: ebay question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50100	From: Trains	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: roll-up corrugated warehouse doors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50101	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: TERMINOLOGY (Was converting O to S gauge)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50102	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: More word games...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50103	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Allentown Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50104	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50105	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY ( Was "Question on converting O to S" )
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50106	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: More word games...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50107	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: MEDCO BELL RETURNS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50108	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: MEDCO BELL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50109	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY ( Was "Question on converting O to S" )
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50110	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50111	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50112	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY (Was converting O to S gauge)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50113	From: William Porter	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY Jargon and Hi-Jacking the Language
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50114	From: G C	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: More word games...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50115	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50116	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50117	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Last Call on my NASG Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50118	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50119	From: T Larson	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Injection Molding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50120	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Can't we all just get along?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50121	From: John	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50122	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can't we all just get along?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50123	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: All Aboard set price question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50124	From: zdava	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Video here!!! . . new AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50125	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50126	From: Stan S.	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50127	From: G C	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: For Stumpy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50128	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50129	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50130	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Turnout TERMINOLOGY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50131	From: Eric R.	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Warning - S Items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50132	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50133	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/14/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50134	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50135	From: Trains	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: S publication???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50136	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Trainstuff Doors...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50137	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Fw: You've received a message from an eBay member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50138	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: On30 to S Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50139	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50140	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50141	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Turntable Varieties & Styles?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50142	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: On30 to S Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50143	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: On30 to S Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50144	From: Trains	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: S Publication????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50145	From: Bradley	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50146	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: S Publication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50147	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: On30 to S turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50148	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50149	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50150	From: John	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: S Publication????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50151	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50152	From: roy inman	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: S Publication????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50153	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50154	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50155	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: S Publication????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50156	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50157	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Video here!!! . . new AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50158	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50159	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50160	From: Trains	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50161	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/14/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50162	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: S-Scale publication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50163	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50164	From: william cole	Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50165	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: S-Curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50166	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Raleigh Great Train Expo/Knoxville GTE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50167	From: Jim King	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: New S scale truck web page update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50168	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: For sale - engines and cars and accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50169	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50170	From: Trains	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Raleigh Great Train Expo/Knoxville GTE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50171	From: Trains	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: S-Curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50172	From: william cole	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50173	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: S-Curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50174	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50175	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: S-Curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50176	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Real trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50177	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Real trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50178	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: American Models 2008-2009 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50179	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50180	From: uvl97222	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: 332-AC Q&A time from the group.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50181	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 332-AC Q&A time from the group.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50182	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 332-AC Q&A time from the group.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50183	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or tire s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50184	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 572 et al, was 332-AC Q&A time from the group.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50185	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50186	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 572 et al, was 332-AC Q&A time from the group.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50187	From: Trains	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} was NOT Selling on eBay/Now is Available for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50188	From: RGeorge942@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50189	From: John Davis	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 572 et al, was 332-AC Q&A time from the group.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50190	From: alansherryb	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50191	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: 572 et al
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50192	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 572 et al, was 332-AC Q&A time from the group.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50193	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 332-AC Q&A time from the group.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50194	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50195	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: American Models 2008-2009 Catalog how to get one?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50196	From: rxman46321	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Unettered SHS extended vision cabeese
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50197	From: uvl97222	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: 332-AC Q&A time from the group.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50198	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} was NOT Selling on eBay/Now is Available for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50199	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Old train wreck photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50200	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: S scale 101
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50201	From: David Held	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: S scale 101
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50202	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: S scale 101
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50203	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: NASG GE Engines, and Moxie cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50204	From: Trains	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: S scale 101
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50205	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Wal Mart Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50206	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: S scale 101
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50207	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Video here!!! . . new AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50208	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/21/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50209	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50210	From: zdava	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Video here!!! . . new AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50211	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Can't we all just get along?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50212	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: WORLDS LARGEST MODEL RAILWAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50213	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50214	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: A different O/S issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50215	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: MP decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50216	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50217	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50218	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50219	From: mikenguy9	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: SHS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50220	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: SHS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50221	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: SHS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50222	From: David Engle	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: MP decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50223	From: william cole	Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: SHS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50224	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/21/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50225	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Two odball repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50226	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: A.F. high trestle set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50227	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Knoxville Great Train Expo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50228	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: A.F. high trestle set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50229	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: HOBBY SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50230	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: A.F. high trestle set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50231	From: roy inman	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50232	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50233	From: Trains	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50234	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: #16 RECTIFORMER TUBE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50235	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: MY NEW WEB SITE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50236	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50237	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: #16 RECTIFORMER TUBE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50238	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: #16 RECTIFORMER TUBE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50239	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50240	From: David Engle	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50241	From: William Porter	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: MY NEW WEB SITE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50242	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50243	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50244	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: MY NEW WEB SITE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50245	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50246	From: David Engle	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50247	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: MY NEW WEB SITE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50248	From: Scale S Only	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50249	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50250	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: A.F. high trestle set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50251	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50252	From: dccinstallssales@aol.com	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: HOBBY SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50253	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Flyonel Sound Control Buttons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50254	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Flyonel Sound Control Buttons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50255	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50256	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50257	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50258	From: William Porter	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50259	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: John Allen's RR, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50260	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: OT: Slide Scanner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50261	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50262	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50263	From: Glenn	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Gorre & Daphetid RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50264	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: OT: Slide Scanner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50265	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Classic Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50266	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: MP decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50267	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50268	From: Jim King	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Smoky Mtn. web site updated
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50269	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: SHS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50270	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50271	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50272	From: roy inman	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: SHS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50273	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50274	From: Trains	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50275	From: Trains	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: OT: Slide Scanner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50276	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: SHS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50277	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: The GD Line molded my world...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50278	From: Jim Marski	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: HOBBY SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50279	From: ekaplan707	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Sound Control Buttons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50280	From: G C	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50281	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Sound Control Buttons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50282	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50283	From: William Porter	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50284	From: Eric R.	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: OT: Slide Scanner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50285	From: Glenn	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50286	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: OT: Slide Scanner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50287	From: William Porter	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50288	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Railroad Model Craftsman column
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50289	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Railroad Model Craftsman column
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50290	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50291	From: roy inman	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Railroad Model Craftsman column
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50292	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50293	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50294	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Railroad Model Craftsman column
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50295	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fall Get Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50296	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Weber Beer Label(s)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50297	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: FinestKind Models at York?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50298	From: Jennifer Fuss	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Introduction and question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50299	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fall Get Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50300	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Railroad Model Craftsman column
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50301	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Weber Beer Label(s)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50302	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50303	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50304	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50305	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Introduction and a question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50306	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Help, Instructions!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50307	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and a question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50308	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: TRESTLE SET #783 E-BAY WARNING!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50309	From: Pat Turner	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: FinestKind Models at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50310	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help, Instructions!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50311	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Help!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50312	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help, Instructions!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50313	From: frabilz	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Removing stickers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50314	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Removing stickers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50315	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/28/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50316	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Removing stickers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50317	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and a question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50318	From: jim_marski	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50319	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: latest Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50320	From: boblines51	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: October York Plasticville Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50321	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/28/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50322	From: John Keating	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: MTH House On Fire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50323	From: rwferr1	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: PMRHS multi-gauge layout starts S level
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50324	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50325	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Lionel For Sale On Available S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50326	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Toy Trains Unlimited-Open House-York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50327	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50328	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50329	From: Jennifer Fuss	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50330	From: Jennifer Fuss	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and a question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50331	From: msperry45	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: AF Switches & Cap Discharge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50332	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50333	From: Jennifer Fuss	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50334	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50335	From: G C	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50336	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: FinestKind Models at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50337	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Removing stickers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50338	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50339	From: David Engle	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Removing stickers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50340	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50341	From: G C	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50342	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50343	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50344	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50345	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50346	From: Edward G.	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Having a Bad Day....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50347	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Baseball Backstop Screen or Any Type Fencing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50348	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Saving Green...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50349	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Having a Bad Day....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50350	From: judgeatkck2002	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Train Related Attractions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50351	From: rwferr1	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Saving Green...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50352	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: AF Switches & Cap Discharge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50353	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commercialism Fall 2008 Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50354	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Having a Bad Day....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50355	From: barb	Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: Boo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50356	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: Re: Baseball Backstop Screen or Any Type Fencing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50357	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: Re: Baseball Backstop Screen or Any Type Fencing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50358	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: Thanks to Rick and Jerry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50359	From: Stephen Steinberg	Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: For Sale by original Owner: Vintage American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50360	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/2/2008
Subject: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50361	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 10/2/2008
Subject: Control Systems Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50362	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/2/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50363	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/2/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50364	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/2/2008
Subject: Re: Control Systems Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50365	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/2/2008
Subject: Re: For Sale by original Owner: Vintage American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50366	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Train Show - Cleveland area.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50367	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50368	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50369	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50370	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50371	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Control Systems Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50372	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Control Systems Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50373	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50374	From: roy inman	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: KW hookups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50375	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: The 310 lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50376	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Train Show - Cleveland area.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50377	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: The 310 lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50378	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: The 310 lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50379	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: The 310 lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50380	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: The 310 lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50381	From: Coopers	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][S-Trains] Re:re:The 310 lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50382	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Stump's Photos: The 310 lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50383	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: BIG BOY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50384	From: Coopers	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][S-Trains] Re:re:The 310 lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50385	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: STUMPY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50386	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: FOR SALE 117P7GT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50387	From: jhwysopal	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: snow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50388	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: snow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50389	From: Trains	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: The 310 lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50390	From: flyerman336	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: BIG BOY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50391	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/5/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50392	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: 310 project : The color story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50393	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: 310 project : The color story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50394	From: boblines51	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: flyer catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50395	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: pinning driving wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50396	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: flyer catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50397	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: flyer catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50398	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: flyer catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50399	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: flyer catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50400	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/5/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50401	From: G C	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: 310 project : The color story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50402	From: G C	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: 310 project : The color story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50403	From: dvprc	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: getting on the chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50404	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Alco Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50405	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50406	From: Alan Carroll	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Lionel's Mikado & Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50407	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50408	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Fwd: CABOOSE' DEBATE REVISTED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50409	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: flyer catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50410	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50411	From: G C	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: 310 project : The color story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50412	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50413	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50414	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Eastern Idaho Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50415	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50416	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50417	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Casey Jones Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50418	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50419	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50420	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Craig's List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50421	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50422	From: Firewood	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: 310 project : The color story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50423	From: Scale S Only	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: GSV Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50424	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: GSV Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50425	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Steam locomotive colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50426	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: Massive New Catalog -- S scale only (no AF)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50427	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: Steam locomotive colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50428	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: AF circus load option
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50429	From: roy inman	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50430	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: Craig's List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50431	From: Firewood	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: Steam locomotive colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50432	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50433	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: Steam locomotive colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50434	From: David Engle	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50435	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50436	From: charlie and edith	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: Alco performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50437	From: rj4010d	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: Alco performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50438	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50439	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: 5 weeks to S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50440	From: John	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50441	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: Alco performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50442	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Stations that were on Curved Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50443	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50444	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: 2 led flasher from Deals Dollar store for camp fire or cross bucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50445	From: Trains	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50446	From: Paul Limone	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50447	From: John McAlonan	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50448	From: Trains	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50449	From: Trains	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: promotion of S / S-Scale@yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50450	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50451	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50452	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: promotion of S / S-Scale@yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50453	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: snow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50454	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: promotion of S / S-Scale@yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50455	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: Having a Bad Day....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50456	From: william cole	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: promotion of S / S-Scale@yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50457	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: startes sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50458	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: snow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50459	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50460	From: Trains	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: New additions and updates to Coupler info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50461	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50462	From: William Porter	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50463	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50464	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: Re: Alco performance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50465	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: ALCO performance -- IMPROVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50466	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: Re: startes sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50467	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: Re: ALCO performance -- IMPROVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50468	From: charlie and edith	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance, field rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50469	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50470	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: ALCO performance -- IMPROVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50471	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: ALCO performance -- IMPROVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50472	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50473	From: barb	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Snow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50474	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50475	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50476	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: ALCO performance -- IMPROVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50477	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: ALCO performance -- IMPROVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50478	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/12/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50479	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: For sale: #35 set of three Brakemen with lanterns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50480	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: NTTM Parking & Shuttle info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50481	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50482	From: G C	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50483	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Toy Trains Unlimited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50484	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50485	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: York Weather Forecast (First edition)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50486	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant SHS commercialism - This week at SHS 12 October 2008
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50487	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50488	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50489	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/12/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50490	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50491	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50492	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50493	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: York Weather Forecast (First edition)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50494	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50495	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: SHS F7 DCC conversion, LokSound, check it out
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50496	From: Trains	Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50497	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50498	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Train Video ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50499	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50500	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Yorkin' beats workin'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50501	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50502	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50503	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant SHS commercialism - This week at SHS 12 Oc tober 2008
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50504	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50505	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50506	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant SHS commercialism - This week at SHS 12 Oc tober 2008
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50507	From: Edward G.	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50508	From: roy inman	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50509	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: SC-2 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50510	From: william cole	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50511	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: SC-2 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50512	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: SC-2 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50513	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50514	From: roy inman	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50515	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50516	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: SC-2 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50517	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: flyer catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50518	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50519	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50520	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: The Name of the Movie Is ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50521	From: smokestacklightnin	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50522	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50523	From: camper279@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50524	From: John Degnan	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: The Name of the Movie Is ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50525	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Light & Water
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50526	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: York Report from NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50527	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Light & Water
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50528	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: Light & Water
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50529	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Name of the Movie Is ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50530	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50531	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50532	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50533	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50534	From: roy inman	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50535	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50536	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: casey jones parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50537	From: Al	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: #600 Pioneer All Aboard 6 Panel Set for Sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50538	From: innotron	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: train show information
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50539	From: Trains	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50540	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50541	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50542	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Pics from York Wed at NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50543	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50544	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50545	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50546	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50547	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: For sale list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50548	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50549	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50550	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: For sale list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50551	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50552	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50553	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50554	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50555	From: William Porter	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50556	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/19/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50557	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: NOT S, but steam & History--last trip of the DQ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50558	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50559	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: For Sale!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50560	From: William Porter	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50561	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/19/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50562	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: GG-1 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50563	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: GG-1 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50564	From: roy inman	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: GG-1 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50565	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: SHS .125 flex track soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50566	From: uvl97222	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50567	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: GG-1 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50568	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: SHS .125 track soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50569	From: acgtx	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Pressing AF Steamer Drivers on Shafts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50570	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: SHS .125 track soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50571	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: So You Want to Build a Model Railroad Movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50572	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: SHS .125 track soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50573	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: train show information
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50574	From: David Engle	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: SHS .125 track soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50575	From: Keith Erhart	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: For Sale!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50576	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: Pressing AF Steamer Drivers on Shafts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50577	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: Rail Expansion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50578	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: Pressing AF Steamer Drivers on Shafts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50579	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: track soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50580	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50581	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: Re: NOT S, but steam & History--last trip of the DQ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50582	From: charlie and edith	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50583	From: charlie and edith	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Field Rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50584	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50585	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50586	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50587	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50588	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50589	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50590	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50591	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Bay Window/Copula Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50592	From: J.Frederick Roberts	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Bay Window/Copula Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50593	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding - books?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50594	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Bay Window/Copula Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50595	From: Al	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Damage freight cars needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50596	From: race944t	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50597	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding - books?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50598	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50599	From: David Engle	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50600	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50601	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50602	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding - books?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50603	From: Coopers	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: Pressing AF Steamer Drivers on Shafts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50604	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Thanks To Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50605	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Che and Hugo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50606	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50607	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks To Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50608	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Simply 1946
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50609	From: D. Winslow	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks To Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50610	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks To Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50611	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Re: Simply 1946
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50612	From: cornwall9	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: AF Replacement boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50613	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Replacement boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50614	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Re: GG-1 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50615	From: Jim King	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Southern Ry "waffle box" in S scale now ready
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50616	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commercialism - APL 40' reefer containers...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50617	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Caboose with Bay Windows and Off-set Cupola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50618	From: Richard Lind	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: 1:64 Trucks, Farm Animals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50619	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: York, October 2008
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50620	From: Glenn	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Re: York, October 2008
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50621	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: A Couple of messages approved, missing and lost in the abiss.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50622	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/26/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50623	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Electronics Source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50624	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Bay Window Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50625	From: race944t	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Re: York, October 2008
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50626	From: G C	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Caboose with Bay Windows and Off-set Cupola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50627	From: al paolozzi	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50628	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Electronics Source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50629	From: race944t	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Detailed wiring diagrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50630	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Detailed wiring diagrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50631	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Caboose with Bay Windows and Off-set Cupola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50632	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50633	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/26/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50634	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50635	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bay Window/Copula Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50636	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Hinged access to Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50637	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: found a brass 172 right handed swtich with fiber ties for sale or tr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50638	From: Scale S Only	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Interesting load
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50639	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: SWITCH COVERS NEEDED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50640	From: william cole	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: York, October 2008
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50641	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50642	From: race944t	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: 752 or 752A shed needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50643	From: jim patterson	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Detailed wiring diagrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50644	From: Chuck Bukauskas	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50645	From: gettysburg9	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Pilot wheels spring Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50646	From: al paolozzi	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Hinged access to Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50647	From: race944t	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Seaboard loader shed needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50648	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bay Window/Copula Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50649	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50650	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: For sale: nice set of C-6/C-7 orange stripe 96x streamliners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50651	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Hinged access to Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50652	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50653	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50654	From: John Foley	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: S Stonework
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50655	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Trying to reach Phil Dunlop on a LokSound question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50656	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Trying to reach Phil Dunlop on a LokSound question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50657	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Pilot wheels spring Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50658	From: Al	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50659	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50660	From: Ted Walton	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Electronics Source - pop-up banners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50661	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for Mac McGrath.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50662	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50663	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Pilot wheels spring Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50664	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: All Electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50665	From: bw_hansen	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50666	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: All Electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50667	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: All Electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50668	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50669	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50670	From: piccu56	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50671	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Rocket Air
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50672	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Link Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50673	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Paint problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50674	From: William Porter	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: Paint problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50675	From: roy inman	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: Paint problems-PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50676	From: D. Winslow	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: Link Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50677	From: John Gibson	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: train show information
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50678	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Stiell Trying to reach Phil Dunlop off liine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50679	From: barb	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: New Train House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50680	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: window insert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50681	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50682	From: piccu56	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50683	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50684	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50685	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Train House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50686	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Train House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50687	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50688	From: Coopers	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50689	From: Scale S Only	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50690	From: Phil K	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Radio Shack in trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50691	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: window insert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50692	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Radio Shack in trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50693	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Radio Shack in trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50694	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Stiell Trying to reach Phil Dunlop off liine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50695	From: G C	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: window insert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50696	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: WINDOW INSERT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50697	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: WINDOW INSERT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50698	From: D. Winslow	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Radio Shack in trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50699	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: BLATENT SALES AD!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50700	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Enough Radio Shack for now.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50701	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: WINDOW INSERT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50702	From: G C	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: WINDOW INSERT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50703	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: WINDOW INSERT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50704	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50705	From: Ted Walton	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Link Correction for "all electronics"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50706	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Fall S Fest only 2 weeks away!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50707	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Link Correction for "all electronics"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50708	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Lemax "Phantom Station"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50709	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: WINDOW INSERT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50710	From: Alec Adamyk	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: S scale (1/64) vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50711	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50712	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest only 2 weeks away!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50713	From: Edward G.	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: WINDOW Material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50714	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: WINDOW Material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50715	From: Bob Anson	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50716	From: Alan Evans	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50717	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: My Halloween Layout on the SHS site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50718	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1:64) vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50719	From: Robert Boring	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50720	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest only 2 weeks away!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50721	From: mikenguy9	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Flyer's non-smoking engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50722	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50723	From: piccu56	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer's non-smoking engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50724	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50725	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50726	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/2/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50727	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Hallmark motorcycles...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50728	From: papehoward	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Correct wiring of the 710 steam whistle control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50730	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50731	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer's non-smoking engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50732	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50733	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: 1/64th bi-plane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50734	From: David Engle	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50735	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50736	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Correct wiring of the 710 steam whistle control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50737	From: John Degnan	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: 1/64th bi-plane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50738	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: RE;Flyers non-smoking engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50740	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer's non-smoking engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50741	From: acgtx	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, American Models, Legacy Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50742	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/2/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50743	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, Ameri
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50744	From: nd5s@arrl.net	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50745	From: roy inman	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50746	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: 1/64th bi-plane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50747	From: nd5s@arrl.net	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50748	From: hjsheff	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50749	From: roy inman	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50750	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50751	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50752	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50753	From: nd5s@arrl.net	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50754	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50755	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50756	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Fw: Lamp Shades Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50757	From: Glenn	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: OCTOBER DISPATCH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50758	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50759	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Lamp Shades Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50760	From: Firewood	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Old AF conversion kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50761	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Lamp Shades Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50762	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Plasticville Hospital Part Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50763	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50764	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50765	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50766	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50767	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Longevity & Parts Future
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50768	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50769	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Train Club Listings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50770	From: ken garber	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: Lansing Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50771	From: Jim King	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: SR waffle boxcar kits shipping today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50772	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: OCTOBER DISPATCH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50773	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50774	From: Greg Klein	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Trains and Diecast Vehicles For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50775	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50776	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50777	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Lamp Shades Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50778	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50779	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50780	From: bruce weidner	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: SR waffle boxcar kits shipping today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50781	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50782	From: nd5s@arrl.net	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50783	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Lansing Train Show / Location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50784	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50785	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50786	From: jim_marski	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Denver, Colorado Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50787	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: NRVMRR Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50788	From: roy inman	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: Denver, Colorado Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50789	From: Jim King	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: SR waffle boxcar kits shipping today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50790	From: roy inman	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50791	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Rex 2-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50792	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Track Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50793	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: NRVMRR Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50795	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: Track Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50797	From: John Metzger	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lansing Train Show / Location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50798	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lansing Train Show / Location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50799	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Street lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50800	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50801	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Train Show, north of Indianapolis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50802	From: mikenguy9	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Flyer 714 acessory strip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50803	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Fw: Ligthing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50804	From: Scale S Only	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Ligthing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50805	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Re: Track Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50806	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Re: Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50807	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Ligthing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50808	From: nd5s@arrl.net	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Lansing Train Show / Location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50809	From: John	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Ligthing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50810	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50811	From: Mike	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Custom Made AF 4-12-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50812	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: SHOW TIME UPDATE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50813	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Train Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50814	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Longevity & Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50815	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Lansing Train Show / Location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50816	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Are prices too high?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50817	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Are prices too high?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50818	From: John Shannon	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Feeder to Buss connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50819	From: Roy Meissner	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest only 2 weeks away!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50820	From: John	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Train Show, north of Indianapolis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50821	From: John	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50822	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Train Show, north of Indianapolis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50823	From: Grant	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50824	From: len_hall	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Hinged Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50825	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Mighty Moe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50826	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Mighty Moe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50827	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: MSU Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50828	From: Sam Blum	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: Track Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50829	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Largest order for one item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50830	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: Mighty Moe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50831	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: Track Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50832	From: bjamison330@earthlink.net	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: Mighty Moe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50833	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Modifying S-Helper 671 Accessory Track to a Mail Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50834	From: piccu56	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: Are prices too high?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50835	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: The Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50836	From: Scale S Only	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50837	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/9/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50838	From: Grant	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50839	From: innotron	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: laser cut barns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50840	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: The Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50841	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: What happened?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50842	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: S-Fest at Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50843	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: What happened?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50844	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/9/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50845	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: Track Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50846	From: John	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50847	From: roy inman	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: laser cut barns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50848	From: John	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Lift out Bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50849	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: The Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50850	From: lember2004	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Gilbert 710 Steam Whistle & a Diesel Locomotive Horn: what happens?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50851	From: innotron	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: laser cut barns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50852	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: The Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50853	From: William Porter	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: Lift out Bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50854	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert 710 Steam Whistle & a Diesel Locomotive Horn: what happe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50855	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Off Topic: Tangled in a web
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50856	From: Andrew	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Factory built oil Refinery ? 130265689035
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50857	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Off Topic: Tangled in a web
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50858	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Plans for New Haven EP-3 and EP-4 electric locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50859	From: William Porter	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Off Topic: Tangled in a web
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50860	From: william cole	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Plans for New Haven EP-3 and EP-4 electric locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50861	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50862	From: Glenn	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Off Topic: Tangled in a web
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50863	From: John Shannon	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50864	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50865	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: San Francisco area train meets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50866	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50867	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Largest order for one item-smoke funnels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50868	From: innotron	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Tooltime
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50869	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: window inserts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50870	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Largest order for one item-smoke funnels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50871	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50872	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50873	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Largest order for one item-smoke funnels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50874	From: Harold henion Jr.	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Harold (Butch) Henion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50875	From: Grant	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50876	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50877	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Harold (Butch) Henion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50878	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50879	From: John	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Web Page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50880	From: John	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50881	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50882	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50883	From: Scale S Only	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50884	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Tooltime
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50885	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: SIT Volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50886	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50887	From: lember2004	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50888	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50889	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Extreme Trains on History Channal Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50890	From: warren_chadbourne	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Headed to Nashville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50891	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50892	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: New History Channel 'Extreme Trains' Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50893	From: gettysburg9	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: smoke volume/power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50894	From: DeWayne Harrison	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Contemporary Train Horns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50895	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: smoke volume/power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50896	From: David Engle	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: smoke volume/power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50897	From: John	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Contemporary Train Horns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50898	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50899	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: AF wheel conversion pictures. This is why I was detailing the Plast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50900	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: smoke volume/power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50901	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Tooltime
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50902	From: David Engle	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Contemporary Train Horns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50903	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Calling all San Diego area S-Gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50904	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: MSU Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50906	From: race944t	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50907	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50908	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Fw: RMDTCA Tidbits November 11, 2008
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50909	From: race944t	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: New History Channel 'Extreme Trains' Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50910	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50911	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50912	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: For Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50913	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50914	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Web site THANKS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50915	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50916	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: smoke volume/power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50917	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50918	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: For Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50919	From: Bob Anson	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50920	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50921	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50922	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50923	From: William Porter	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50924	From: G C	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: New History Channel 'Extreme Trains' Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50925	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50926	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50927	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: New History Channel 'Extreme Trains' Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50928	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50929	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50930	From: DeWayne Harrison	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Contemporary Train Horns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50931	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50932	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: New History Channel 'Extreme Trains' Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50933	From: gettysburg9	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Double Helix info needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50934	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50935	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Run DC from your AF transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50936	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay, FROM EBAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50937	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50938	From: t_man8712	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50939	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Run DC from your AF transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50940	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: WANTED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50941	From: Les Mavor	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50942	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50943	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50944	From: jeff silvera	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Wicks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50945	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50946	From: John Metzger	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50947	From: John Metzger	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Double Helix info needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50948	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50949	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50950	From: al paolozzi	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50951	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50952	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50953	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** [S-Trains] Run DC from your AF transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50954	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50955	From: Robert Board	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Wicks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50956	From: slipswitch@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50957	From: piccu56	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50958	From: DeWayne Harrison	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Contemporary Train Horns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50959	From: Mike	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Toy Train Paper&Memorabilia Group (TTP&M)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50960	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50961	From: smokestacklightnin	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: 312 stops dead in it's tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50962	From: gacesatg	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Wicks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50963	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: eBay & PayPal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50964	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay I STAND CORRECTED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50965	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: 312 stops dead in it's tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50966	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50967	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50968	From: al paolozzi	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50969	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: 312 stops dead in it's tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50971	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Scale Wheel sets for trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50972	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Fw: Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50973	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Scale Wheel sets for trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50974	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Hugo's Brother
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50975	From: piccu56	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50976	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Hugo's Brother
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50977	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Keystone Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50978	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee-- schedule
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50979	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Keystone Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50980	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Run DC from your AF transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50981	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Scale Wheel sets for trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50982	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: The Economy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50983	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50984	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50985	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50986	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Highball Products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50987	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Stepdown Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50988	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/16/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50989	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Stepdown Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50990	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: blatant ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50991	From: G C	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: The Economy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50992	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Highball Products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50993	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Highball Products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50994	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Scale Wheel sets for trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50995	From: piccu56	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50996	From: Al	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Needed: damaged or broken Flyonel boxcar for kitbash project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50997	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: Stepdown Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50998	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: the economy: hobby shops AND internet sales taxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 50999	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: The Economy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51000	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: STRESS!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51001	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: IRS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51002	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/16/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51003	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Economy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51004	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: the economy: hobby shops AND internet sales taxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51005	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: Factory built oil Refinery ? 130265689035
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51006	From: Scale S Only	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: the economy: hobby shops AND internet sales taxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51007	From: Les Mavor	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Economy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51008	From: mikenguy9	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: transformer witha noise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51009	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: STRESS!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51010	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: Harold (Butch) Henion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51011	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51012	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Items for sale and needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51013	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51014	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: IRS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51015	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: Stepdown Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51016	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: transformer witha noise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51017	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: SHS accessory track for AF coal car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51018	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Economy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51019	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Keystone Div Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51020	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Economy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51021	From: macflyer0513	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51022	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: S-Fest Silent auction scale double-stack car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51023	From: warren_chadbourne	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: trip to Nashville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51024	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: transformer witha noise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51025	From: william cole	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51026	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: trip to Nashville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51027	From: Bob Anson	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51028	From: William Porter	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51029	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Transformer with a noise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51030	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Reply
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51031	From: william cole	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51032	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Wheelsets in the box (was Scale Wheel sets for trade)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51033	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Reply
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51034	From: Glenn	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51035	From: Bill	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: joseph Wieckoski
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51036	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Stepdown Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51037	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: The Economy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51038	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: transformer witha noise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51039	From: Rhett George	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: transformer witha noise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51040	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Reply
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51041	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51042	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51043	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51044	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51045	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51046	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: transformer witha noise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51047	From: Alan Evans	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51048	From: mikenguy9	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: 650 & lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51049	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51050	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Reply
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51051	From: judgeatkck2002	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: S-Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51052	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51053	From: pnw65_snt	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: New E-Mail for all interested Re: Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51054	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51055	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51056	From: Rhett George	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Wires thru the tubes at Mike's ballfield
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51057	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Body-mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51058	From: cornwall9	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51059	From: downtowndeco	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: New Downtown Deco S Scale kit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51060	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51061	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51062	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51063	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51064	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51065	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Chain Saw File
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51066	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Wires thru the tubes at Mike's ballfield
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51067	From: Phil K	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Joseph Wieckowski's true email address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51068	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Putt Trains - Rex Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51069	From: G C	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chain Saw File
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51070	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Yuckie Stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51071	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: transformer buzzing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51072	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Putt Trains-Rex Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51073	From: william cole	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51074	From: William Porter	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: transformer buzzing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51075	From: G C	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Putt Trains-Rex Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51076	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chain Saw File
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51077	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chain Saw File
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51078	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Putt Tolley bodies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51079	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: chain saw file
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51080	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chain Saw File
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51081	From: boblines51	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: link coupler spacers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51082	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4261
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51083	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chain Saw File
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51084	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51085	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: BLANTANT AD FOR SMOKE FLUID & FUNNELS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51086	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: chain saw file
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51087	From: David Engle	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51088	From: william cole	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals --now RDG crusader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51089	From: G C	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51090	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51091	From: David Engle	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51092	From: lember2004	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51093	From: Glenn	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51094	From: Glenn	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51095	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51096	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51097	From: Glenn	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51098	From: David Engle	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51099	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51100	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Lights Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51101	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Train Photo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51102	From: John	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Lights Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51103	From: lou342ac	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Advetisement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51104	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51105	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51106	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Advetisement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51107	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51108	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51109	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Lights Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51110	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Ballpark light photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51111	From: Don	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: History Channel-Right now
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51112	From: william cole	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51113	From: G C	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51114	From: G C	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ballpark light photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51115	From: John Degnan	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51116	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ballpark light photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51117	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: BLANTANT AD FOR SMOKE FLUID & FUNNELS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51118	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51119	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: BLANTANT AD FOR SMOKE FLUID & FUNNELS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51120	From: William Porter	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51121	From: William Porter	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: Ballpark light photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51122	From: G C	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51123	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: Ballpark light photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51124	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51125	From: e2picasso	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: American Flyer 'PLUS' by Mayfield & Platz, 1978
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51126	From: jim patterson	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: 650 & lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51127	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51128	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/23/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51129	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: 650s and lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51130	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Re: New Downtown Deco S Scale kit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51131	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Trainstuff LLC Stuff For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51132	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Life Magazine Photos on Google
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51133	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/23/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51134	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51135	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Trainstuff LLC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51136	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51137	From: lember2004	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Re: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51138	From: downtowndeco	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Seriously, should I do this kit in S Scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51139	From: Glenn	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51140	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 11/24/2008
Subject: Styrene Veneers...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51141	From: Ed	Date: 11/24/2008
Subject: FW: {S-Scale List} Fw: Seriously. Should I do this kit in S Scale? :
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51142	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 11/24/2008
Subject: Noisy GP7 #372
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51143	From: Glenn	Date: 11/24/2008
Subject: READING PASSENGER CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51144	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/24/2008
Subject: Re: READING PASSENGER CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51145	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/24/2008
Subject: Re: Noisy GP7 #372
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51146	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: READING PASSENGER CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51147	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: SHS dealers please contact us...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51148	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: A Fable in 1:64
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51149	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} Fw: Seriously. Should I do this kit in S Scal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51150	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51151	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Steam Linkages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51152	From: Mike	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: The Mansion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51153	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Noisy GP7 #372
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51154	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: READING PASSENGER CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51155	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Noisy GP7 #372
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51156	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: SHS dealers please contact us...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51157	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Linkages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51158	From: Jim King	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Our next S scale car will be ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51159	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Linkages (This May Work)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51160	From: Bill Drake	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Linkages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51161	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Our next S scale car will be ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51162	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Our next S scale car will be ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51163	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: LGB AC OR DC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51164	From: Bill Drake	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: Re: LGB AC OR DC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51165	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: LGB AC or DC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51166	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: Re: LGB AC OR DC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51167	From: william cole	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: Re: LGB AC OR DC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51168	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: Re: SHS Thanksgiving Sale...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51169	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: RE LGB AC OR DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51170	From: Firewood	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51171	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Allegheny Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51172	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51173	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51174	From: alguckes2001	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: S-Trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51175	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51176	From: Grant	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Flyer Searchlight car repair?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51177	From: acgtx	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer Searchlight car repair? Doable!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51178	From: acgtx	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer Searchlight car repair? Doable!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51179	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51180	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51181	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51182	From: Al	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: How to Replace Broken Trucks on a Flyonel reefer car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51183	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Allegheny Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51184	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51185	From: splsaab	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51186	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: How to Replace Broken Trucks on a Flyonel reefer car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51187	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: How to Replace Broken Trucks on a Flyonel reefer car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51188	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: How to Replace Broken Trucks on a Flyonel reefer car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51189	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: Allegheny Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51190	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51191	From: Jim King	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: S scale SR 1951 wood rack web link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51192	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: How to Replace Broken Trucks on a Flyonel reefer car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51193	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Musical boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51194	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: Allegheny Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51195	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Re: Musical boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51196	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Allegheny Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51197	From: G C	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Re: Allegheny Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51198	From: Edward	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: TMCC S-Helper Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51199	From: Jim King	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: S scale SR waffle boxes all shipped
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51200	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/30/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51201	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Just like the Coke trucks, Canadian Pacific Holiday Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51203	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Tis' the season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51204	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Musical boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51206	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Musical boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51207	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51208	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/30/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51209	From: Jim Alessio	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51210	From: Glenn	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51211	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Musical boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51212	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: ITEMS FOR SALE ON E-BAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51213	From: afjerryk5	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: 1/64 stuff at Wally world
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51214	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Musical boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51215	From: Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Noise and the 977 and 25052
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51216	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51217	From: John Gibson	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Northern California O Scale West + S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51218	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Noise and the 977 and 25052
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51219	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51220	From: Michael Rector	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51221	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51222	From: splsaab	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51223	From: e2picasso	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51224	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51225	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51226	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: 1/64 stuff at Wally world
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51227	From: hgetrain	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Allegheny Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51228	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Allegheny Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51229	From: William Porter	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: 1/64 stuff at Wally world
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51230	From: Glenn	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: 1/64 stuff at Wally world
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51231	From: jarmstr2	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Buddy RDC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51232	From: hgetrain	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Allegheny Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51233	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Tis' the season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51234	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Noise abatement on the celining level route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51235	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Musical boxcars and Wal Mart cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51236	From: G C	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Musical boxcars and Wal Mart cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51237	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51238	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: MILW 261 and water tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51239	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Buddy RDC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51240	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: S-scale people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51241	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Mel's Drive In
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51242	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51243	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: 1/64 stuff at Wally world
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51244	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: S-scale people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51245	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: S-scale people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51246	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51247	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51248	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51249	From: Firewood	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Allegheny Re: Big Boy - Harry E
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51250	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51251	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Tis' the season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51252	From: David Engle	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51253	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: MILW 261 and water tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51254	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51255	From: Bob Anson	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51256	From: piccu56	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the celining level route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51257	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51258	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Casey Jones song
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51259	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Ozzie and Harriet 1956 Christmas show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51260	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: 1903 real train picking up mail.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51261	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Wanted 2 ends of Marx/K-line 2 story school house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51262	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: A place to find the $9 car sences not found at Wal Mart
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51263	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Group of AF trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51264	From: detmer5694	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Mel's Diner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51265	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Mels diner etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51266	From: William Porter	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Mel's Diner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51267	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51268	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Tis' the season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51269	From: Grant	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Flynel animated caboose question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51270	From: Greg Klein	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: B&O Museum - 2008 Festival of Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51271	From: T Larson	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: GreenLight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51272	From: G C	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51273	From: G C	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Mel's Diner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51274	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Dutchway Farm Market
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51275	From: Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Sorry I have to ask this...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51276	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: IF you haven't been to Dutchway----SECOND TRY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51277	From: amflyers53	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Ozzie and Harriet 1956 Christmas show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51278	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: This is for your enjoyment of the past. Christmas is a time of memor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51279	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/5/2008
Subject: Re: This is for your enjoyment of the past. Christmas is a time of m
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51280	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51281	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/5/2008
Subject: Sorry I have to ask this
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51282	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/5/2008
Subject: finding pictures tip.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51283	From: Mike Vana	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Mel's Diner - Buy it online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51284	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mel's Diner - Buy it online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51285	From: orail2	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Johnson's Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51286	From: Jim King	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Southern wood rack in S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51287	From: John Degnan	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Selling out : 1/64 Automobiles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51288	From: Dave Farquhar	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: IRS figures from 1993?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51289	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Re: Southern wood rack in S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51290	From: John Degnan	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Re: Selling out : 1/64 Automobiles - SOLD!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51291	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/7/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51292	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mel's Diner - Buy it online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51293	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Greenberg Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51295	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Green Bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51296	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51297	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: IRS figures from 1993?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51298	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51299	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Greenberg Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51300	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Mels diner etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51301	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51302	From: Dave Farquhar	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: IRS figures from 1993?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51303	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51304	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: GreenLight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51305	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51306	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/7/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51307	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51308	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: '54 Chevy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51309	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51310	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51311	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51312	From: afjerryk5	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: '54 chevy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51313	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51314	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: GreenLight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51315	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51316	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Contro
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51317	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: 54 Chevy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51318	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51319	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: '54 chevy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51320	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51321	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: In case you didn't notice...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51322	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51323	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: '54 Chevy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51324	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51325	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51326	From: Al	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: S-Helper Christmas cars for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51327	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51328	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51329	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper Christmas cars for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51330	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51331	From: William Porter	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51332	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Co
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51333	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Running AC engines on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51334	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51335	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Blatant for sale offering - SHS flat cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51336	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Ebay - Sellers beware
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51337	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: '54 Chevy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51338	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper Christmas cars for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51339	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: fyi: Lowell Video DVD in NASG Library
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51340	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Running AC engines on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51341	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: AF Conversion Can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51342	From: Gill W. Lott	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51343	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Dutchway Farm Market
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51344	From: Glenn	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Dutchway Farm Market
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51345	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Running DC with AF AC transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51346	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Lionel updates Big Boy shipping date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51347	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay - Sellers beware
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51348	From: hjsheff	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Fraud
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51349	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Just like the Coke trucks, Canadian Pacific Holiday Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51350	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Fraud
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51351	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Fraud
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51352	From: Grant	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51353	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel updates Big Boy shipping date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51354	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Fraud
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51355	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Fraud
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51356	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Co
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51357	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Pls Join: New Group for Automatic Controls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51358	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Fraud
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51359	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Co
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51360	From: Jim King	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: C&O wood racks in S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51361	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel updates Big Boy shipping date -- Digest Number 4283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51362	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Co
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51363	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Fw: my rare- american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher on ebay picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51364	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Co
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51365	From: bimorph	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51366	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: my rare- american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher on ebay pic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51367	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51368	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: RE; rare 342 set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51369	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: What's an "e-unit?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51370	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51371	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: my rare- american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher on ebay pic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51372	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51373	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51374	From: bimorph	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51375	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51376	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51377	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51378	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51379	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51380	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: my rare- american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher on ebay pic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51381	From: bimorph	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51382	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Blatant ADVERTISING for TIE-MASTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51383	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51384	From: John	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51385	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51386	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: What's an "e-unit?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51387	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Great Christmas train story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51388	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51389	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Christmas talking house $20 at Big Lots, great detail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51390	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: What's an "e-unit?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51391	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: More Blatant SHS commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51392	From: G C	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51393	From: cornwall9	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51394	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51395	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51396	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51397	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Ice Storm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51398	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: ORANGE TANK CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51399	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: ORANGE TANK CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51400	From: bstilesaf	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: S gauge Santa Claus??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51401	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ice Storm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51402	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: ORANGE TANK CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51403	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: RAIRITY REPO's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51404	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51405	From: bimorph	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: ORANGE TANK CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51406	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: S gauge Santa Claus??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51407	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: S gauge Santa Claus??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51408	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51409	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: S gauge Santa Claus??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51410	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51411	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car -- Digest Number 4285
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51412	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Lionel website error
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51413	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car -- Digest Number 4285
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51414	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car -- Digest Number 4285
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51415	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/14/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51416	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car -- Digest Number 4285
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51417	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51418	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: 100 ton coal gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51419	From: rmartin43	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: Flyonel Northern 9V Battery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51420	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: Re: RAIRITY REPO's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51421	From: bstilesaf	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: American Models Passenger set for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51422	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: 2 Flyer books for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51423	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: Re: RAIRITY REPO's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51424	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/14/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51425	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: Re: 100 ton coal gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51426	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: Fw: VRE Santa trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51427	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: Re: 100 ton coal gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51428	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/15/2008
Subject: Greensboro, MD show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51429	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/15/2008
Subject: Re: Greensboro, MD show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51430	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/15/2008
Subject: The Coalporters -- Rotary Dump Gondolas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51431	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/15/2008
Subject: Memories of our first trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51432	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/15/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: VRE Santa trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51433	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Memories of our first trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51434	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Chassis Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51435	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51436	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: Memories of our first trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51437	From: rep928	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: K-line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51438	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51439	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: K-line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51440	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: K-line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51441	From: Firewood	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51442	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: American Models Passenger set for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51443	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Flyonel Northern 9V Battery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51444	From: bstilesaf	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: AF prewar wiring??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51445	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: Re: AF prewar wiring??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51446	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51447	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51448	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51449	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: Re: American Models Passenger set for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51450	From: Jim King	Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: SR/C&O "S" scale wood rack a "go"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51451	From: innotron	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: The Great Train Expo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51452	From: gettysburg9	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: AF Crossover stalling problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51453	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: AF Crossover stalling problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51454	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: AF Crossover stalling problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51455	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Turntable Wiring?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51456	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: AF Crossover stalling problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51457	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Train Books (FOR SALE)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51458	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Wiring?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51459	From: Jim King	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: 3-pack offer on SR/C&O S-scale wood rack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51460	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Wiring?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51461	From: Coopers	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Train Books (FOR SALE)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51462	From: Michael Martino	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Train Books (FOR SALE)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51463	From: Michael Martino	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Train Books (FOR SALE)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51464	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Wiring?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51465	From: trainnut1627	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Repaint for 1950's Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51466	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: AF prewar wiring??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51467	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51468	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51469	From: ai2q	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51470	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51471	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51472	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51473	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Wiring?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51474	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51475	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Wiring?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51476	From: John	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51477	From: trainnut1627	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51478	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51479	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51480	From: G C	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51481	From: G C	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51482	From: The LANIERs	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51483	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Conductive Epoxy update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51484	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51485	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Conductive Epoxy update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51486	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51487	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: AF Crossover stalling problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51488	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Turntable Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51489	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Repaint for 1950's Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51490	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51491	From: John	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Conductive Epoxy update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51492	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: jmellon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51493	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Conductive Epoxy update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51494	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Conductive Epoxy update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51495	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: AF Crossover stalling problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51496	From: gettysburg9	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: AF Crossover Stall Problem:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51497	From: Firewood	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51498	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: AF Crossover Stall Problem:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51499	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: AF crossover stall problem...car body
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51500	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: AF Crossover Stall Problem:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51501	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Everything old is new again...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51502	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Everything old is new again...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51503	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: AF crossover stall problem...car body
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51504	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Local Library train exhibit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51505	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: AF Crossover Stall Problem:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51506	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: AF crossover stall problem...car body
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51507	From: G C	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Everything old is new again...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51508	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Lubricating a 21085 Steam Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51509	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Original Christmas cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51510	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/21/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51511	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR -- Digest Number 4293
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51512	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR -- Digest Number 4293
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51513	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Lubricating a 21085 Steam Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51514	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: AF crossover stall problem...car body
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51515	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51516	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Original Christmas cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51517	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR -- Digest Number 4293
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51518	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51519	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Lubricating a 21085 Steam Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51521	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: 21085
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51522	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Original Christmas cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51523	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Auxiliary Water Tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51524	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Hobby Costs (was Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51525	From: William Porter	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Australia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51526	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Auxiliary Water Tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51527	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51528	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51529	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...continued...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51530	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51531	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Australia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51532	From: G C	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Auxiliary Water Tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51533	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/21/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51534	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51535	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: New videos on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51536	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Repainted 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51537	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Re: Repainted 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51538	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Re: Repainted 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51539	From: Firewood	Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Re: Hobby Costs (was Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51540	From: gettysburg9	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51541	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: WGH in Oaks, PA Jan 3 & 4, 2009
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51542	From: piccu56	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51543	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51544	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: SnS vs Timko and an RS-3 question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51545	From: Les Mavor	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Asking for photos....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51546	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: SnS vs Timko
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51547	From: jim_marski	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Disassembly of AF 769 tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51548	From: gettysburg9	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: AF Remote Turnout Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51549	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Auxiliary Water Tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51550	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Hobby Costs (was Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51551	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51552	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Australia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51553	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51554	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51555	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Bailout!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51556	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Bailout!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51557	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51558	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51559	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51560	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Bailout!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51561	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: "Toy Train Memories" ~~ the book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51562	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51563	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Here is a GILBERT SMOKING CABOOSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51564	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51565	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: 914
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51566	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51567	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51568	From: gettysburg9	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51569	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51570	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: 914
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51571	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51572	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Time to Smoke, or at least burn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51573	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Bailout!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51574	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51575	From: William Porter	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51576	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Hey y'all
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51577	From: William Porter	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51578	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51579	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: AF Remote Turnout Question--PS!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51580	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51581	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Here is a GILBERT SMOKING CABOOSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51582	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: AF Reomte Turnout Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51583	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51584	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: 914
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51585	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Here is a GILBERT SMOKING CABOOSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51586	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Tsunami in SW1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51587	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: SnS vs Timko and an RS-3 question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51588	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Who is this guy?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51589	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Hey y'all
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51590	From: race944t	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: 914
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51591	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Fw: [MFCL] Today in KC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51592	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Make Music
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51593	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51594	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51595	From: Coopers	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Merry Christmas To All
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51596	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Bailout!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51597	From: T Larson	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: 1965 Pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51598	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51599	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Re: Here is a GILBERT SMOKING CABOOSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51600	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51601	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51602	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51603	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Thank You
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51604	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Trading Opportunity...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51605	From: larry999970123	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Easy TMCC conversion to DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51606	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Easy TMCC conversion to DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51607	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: 1965 Pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51608	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51609	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: New videos on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51610	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: The final video finally posted.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51611	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: 24634 Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51612	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: 290 runs great... in reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51613	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: 24634 Smoking Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51614	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: More New videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51615	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51616	From: majordadsage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51617	From: John Gibson	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Northern California O Scale West + S - REMINDER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51618	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51619	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51620	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51621	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51622	From: jim patterson	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51623	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51624	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51625	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51626	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51627	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51628	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: My 2008 Christmas Village/Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51629	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Thank You
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51630	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51631	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51632	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51633	From: majordadsage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Your Welcome Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51634	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51635	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51636	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51637	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51638	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51639	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51640	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51641	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: New menber
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51642	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51643	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Mel's Elusive Diner...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51644	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/28/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51645	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51646	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Problem with Flyernel 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51647	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: My 2008 Christmas Village/Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51648	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Your Welcome Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51649	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Problem with Flyernel 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51650	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: My 2008 Christmas Village/Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51651	From: cornwall9	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51652	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51653	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51654	From: plimo117	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Confused .Maybe Some One Can Help?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51655	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Mel's Elusive Diner...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51656	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51657	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Confused .Maybe Some One Can Help?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51658	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51659	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51660	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Confused .Maybe Some One Can Help?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51661	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: New You Tube videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51662	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51663	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Confused .Maybe Some One Can Help?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51664	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: World's Scariest Model Train Wrecks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51665	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51666	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51667	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Bailout!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51668	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas To All
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51669	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Make Music
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51670	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51671	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: New You Tube videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51672	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51673	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51674	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/28/2008, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51675	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51676	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Christmas Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51677	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: New You Tube videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51678	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51679	From: grant bishop	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Mel's Elusive Diner...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51680	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51681	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51682	From: Christopher Burger	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Wife and trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51683	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51684	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51685	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Rick's Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51686	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51687	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Confused .Maybe Some One Can Help?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51688	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51689	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51690	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Rick's Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51691	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51692	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51693	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Where do you find these women
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51694	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Wife and trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51695	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Wife and trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51696	From: larry999970123	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Easy TMCC conversion to DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51697	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Wiring diagram for a 466
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51698	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51699	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Where do you find these women?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51700	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring diagram for a 466
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51701	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51702	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51703	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51704	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51705	From: dan87gt	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: 969 Rocket Car Part Missing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51706	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: 969 Rocket Car Part Missing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51707	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring diagram for a 466
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51708	From: John Sage	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: 969 Rocket Car Part Missing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51709	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51710	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring diagram for a 466
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51711	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51712	From: uvl97222	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: 969 Rocket Car Part Missing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51713	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51714	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring diagram for a 466
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51715	From: mlprell	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51716	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51717	From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr.	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: need help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51718	From: mlprell	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51719	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51720	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51721	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51722	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: need help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51723	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Fw: E-BAY FEES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51724	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51725	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51726	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: need help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51727	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51728	From: cornwall9	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: New photos posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51729	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51730	From: John Sage	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51731	From: frabilz	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Removing stickers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51732	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Removing stickers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51733	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Air Chime brakes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51734	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: uncoupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51735	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51736	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51737	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51738	From: David Engle	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Air Chime brakes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51739	From: michael prell	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51740	From: gettysburg9	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Source for AF resistance values?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51741	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51742	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Air Chime brakes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51743	From: The LANIERs	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Source for AF resistance values?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51744	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Air Chime brakes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51745	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51746	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Reference Section Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51747	From: ctbigboy	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51748	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: SHS 2008 Christmas Car QC problem....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51749	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Source for AF resistance values?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51750	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51751	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Air Chime brakes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51752	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Source for AF resistance values?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51753	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Air Chime brakes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51754	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51755	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Air Chime brakes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51756	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51757	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Reference Section Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51758	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51759	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51760	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: relay with time delay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51761	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51762	From: John Sage	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51763	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: bookcase!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51764	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51765	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51766	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Reference Section Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51767	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Best wishes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51768	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51769	From: Ed	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Reference Section Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 51770	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 46487	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Layin

I couldn't disagree more, Bert... hand-laying Is FAR worth the effort when you're trying to get the most realism possible. It may take longer, but that makes it more rewarding to me. I do intend to use some Tomalco Track flex, but only in the staging area. The rail used on the TT flex isn't as visually pleasing to my eye as the rail I use... which is the LaVancil code 81 rail. It is availible over on at : http://www.cvmw.com/bulkcvtindex.htm. Regardless of the pros and cons, there are many folks who choose to hand-lay, so... on with my show. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bert Cutler To: John Degnan ; POST : (S) S-Trains Group ; POST : (S) SSPM Group ; POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group ; POST : (S) S-Scale Group ; POST : (S) showcaseline Group ; POST : (S) Proto64 Group ; POST : (S) finescale64 Group Sent: December 31, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying) John, Hand laying isn't worth the effort. If you figuare your time at $10 per hour , you can buy Tomalco track and come out further ahead. Then use your time that you saved on scenery ,rolling stock ,etc. A good answer to rail or ready to lay track is code 100 for mainlines and 83 for sidings and branch lines. That is what I have done. Ihave used Tomalco and very happy about it. My 2 cents Bert Cutler ----- Original Message ----- From: John Degnan To: John Degnan ; POST : (S) S-Trains Group ; POST : (S) SSPM Group ; POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group ; POST : (S) S-Scale Group ; POST : (S) showcaseline Group ; POST : (S) Proto64 Group ; POST : (S) finescale64 Group Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:27 AM Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying) I think a lot of folks are getting the wrong idea about the question I posted about rail codes. I'm not looking for rail, nor do I need any. I'm just trying to determine what sizes and codes are availible and what is the most commonly used rail code(s) used by hand-layers in S scale. And yes, there is a reason for my madness... I'm (still) working on designing a gauge (a 2-point gauge in this case) suitable for hand-laying. My hope is to come up with a multi-sided gauge with "nubs" on each side that accomodate a certain range of codes of rail (the heads of the rail go between the "nubs")... a gauge that could be used by anyone and everyone regardless of what kind/size of rail is used. See the drawing at the URL below to get a better idea of the direction I'm trying to go with this idea... and feel free to offer and suggestions. wwwtrainweb.org/seaboard/ODDSTUFF/NEWSScaleGauge.gif John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46488	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Happy New Year, y'all...

Welcome to 2008 everyone! I wish everyone here the very best of everything for this new year. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46489	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: 2007 CNW Baldwin

I pulled my CNW Baldwin out of the box to place on the track this week and it appears they have changed the drive system. The new drive system doesn't seem to have the steering limitation of the previous design and will negotiate vintage flyer track radius. Looking in the cab window it appears to be a more compact system and will leave more room for TMCC conversion if desired. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46490	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: CNW Baldwin pictures

FYI I uploaded the pictures of the drive and frame to the location below: http://www.mwkiner.com/af/CNWBaldwin.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46491	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Fw: items for sale or trade

----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S Scale List Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: items for sale or trade Morning list and Happy New Year!!!!! Got a couple items here for sale or trade: Chicago Great Western Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment. Morning Sun Books New sealed trade for Color Guide of Reading, ACL, BN, or MILW or $50 post paid. 1 AF delux caboose shell tuscan lettered NH in whitel lettering #21492...pretty sure this is dry transfer $10 and shipping 1 AF Hudson tender shell SIT , no hand railing, no steps...lettering good NYC system herald AFL on sides good anchor or door stop $7.50 and shipping 1 Y12 Matchbox Models of Yesteryear 1829 Stephensons Rocket and tender 1/64.....for the rather early S modelers box rough, engine fine shape diecast......$22.50 and shipping 1987 production 1 Y21 Matchbox Models of Yesteryear 1894 Aveling Porter Steam Roller, Traction engine...green and black diecast box worn engine fine a most interesting piece of early road machinery $35.00 and shipping 1987 production 1 Sn3 Modeler Fall/winter 1991 Repowering Tomalco 50, Boom and Bucket load, C&S section house plans, Florence and CC article $5 post paid 1 Corgi 1/64 Tactical Strike F-14D Tomcat VF-2 US Navy USS Constellation....This is a beautiful plane, bomb load and missles, landing gear is up...I mean the doors are shut, there is no gear..there is also no crew, but the canapoy will come off to allow for adding crew......wings are moveable...box is rough...a shipping disaster waiting to happen, will send with box but place packed differently $25 plus shipping.....comes with a small clear plastic stand. One more layout defense item....the gun and carriage, no hauling tractors from a 1/40 Adams Models Atomic Cannon...the 280mm gun....olive drab plastic model built up from the 1960's...this is not the Renwal model...kept around to make a railway gun someday ...with the addition of railway carriage...this ought to do well on straight track.....not presently in an armed conflict with any other layouts...but you could put lightning stripes on this gun and perhaps cut down some on the competetion......this is a bit better than scratching building the gun......$15 and shipping...this gun does not elevate like the costal or German guns did....I think the real gun elevated 7 or 8 degrees....the model I am pretty sure is glued into position. So thar ya go gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46492	From: Timboy	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Rock Ledge Mountain

Hi All, I've pretty much completed work on a new area of my RR. This rock ledge was built using the conventional way of stacking broken ceiling tiles, glue, plaster, paint, foams, lichen, etc. The paint is still wet! There will be some touch-ups to do and more detailing, but I thought I would go ahead and show it at this point. I built this ledge to conceal a 757 Log Loader on a small spur. The one pic shows two updated log unloader cars spotted. Now I have to devise a place to unload them - probably at a sawmill somewhere. I think my way of hand- laying old vintage rails makes it look like broad-radius Pikemaster track. Here is a link to the pics: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b?b=3&m=t&o=0 Otherwise, just go to the photos section and to Tim Brown's Work in Progress. Happy New Year! S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46493	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Hi all of you!

I 'am working on an old "O" #3100 American Flyer train. The top is gone, and now that I have it in good running order I'm looking for the top cover. Can any of you send me a link to some type of parts house that may have it? We all run in to thing time to time, and my hope is some one knows where I can find one. Clayton S. D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46494	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Hi all of you!

Hi Clayton, You might try Model Engineering Works. They have part number 1344 which is a top for "1218 type locos". Call them and talk with the folks there. Barry and Tammy are very helpful. The link to their site is: http://www.geocities.com/modelengineeringworks/index.html They are ready to answer questions a little later in the day - about 4:30 EST I think on normal days. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of uvl97222 Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Hi all of you! I 'am working on an old "O" #3100 American Flyer train. The top is gone, and now that I have it in good running order I'm looking for the top cover. Can any of you send me a link to some type of parts house that may have it? We all run in to thing time to time, and my hope is some one knows where I can find one. Clayton S. D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46495	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: FOR $ALE : AM Box Car - SAL

I have the following item up for sale : http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/1116l.jpg This model has scale (code 110) wheels and kadee 802 (black) couplers installed. Also, one truck-spring has been replaced with an original AM spring, but the color of the spring does not match all others. Retail price : $35.95 Asking price : $20.00 Shipping cost : $4.50 John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46496	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: SOLD!!! : AM Box Car - SAL

Sorry all... this model has sold. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: John Degnan To: POST : (S) S-Trains Group ; POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group ; POST : (S) S-Scale Group Sent: January 01, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: FOR $ALE : AM Box Car - SAL I have the following item up for sale : http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/1116l.jpg This model has scale (code 110) wheels and kadee 802 (black) couplers installed. Also, one truck-spring has been replaced with an original AM spring, but the color of the spring does not match all others. Retail price : $35.95 Asking price : $20.00 Shipping cost : $4.50 John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46497	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: FOR $ALE : AM Box Car - SAL

John, I'm interested, if not already sold. Glenn --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > I have the following item up for sale : > > http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/1116l.jpg > > This model has scale (code 110) wheels and kadee 802 (black) couplers installed. Also, one truck-spring has been replaced with an original AM spring, but the color of the spring does not match all others. > > Retail price : $35.95 > Asking price : $20.00 > > Shipping cost : $4.50 > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46498	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Happy New Year

Here is wishing a wonderful NEW YEAR to a great group of guys and gals that are still young at heart and still want to play with trains. The best to all in 2008. Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46499	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: 2007 CNW Baldwin

Mark - would you be so kind as to email me some pictures of the whole engine (put back together!) for The Gilbert Gallery website? http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html I'd appreciate it! Bob acgilbertflyer <robbe_wan@...> wrote: I pulled my CNW Baldwin out of the box to place on the track this week and it appears they have changed the drive system. The new drive system doesn't seem to have the steering limitation of the previous design and will negotiate vintage flyer track radius. Looking in the cab window it appears to be a more compact system and will leave more room for TMCC conversion if desired. Mark --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46500	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Hi all of you!

I'm going over what has been past to me, and I would like to thank all of you that are helping me put this train back in working order. You know twenty years back we would not have had the chance that we have now with the computer to talk to each other. This is a great time to be a Gilbert Fan..... Clayton S. D. --- uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote: > I 'am working on an old "O" #3100 American Flyer > train. The top is gone, and now that I have > it in good running order I'm looking for the top > cover. Can any of you send me a link to some > type of parts house that may have it? We all run in > to thing time to time, and my hope is > some one knows where I can find one. > > > Clayton S. D. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46501	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories

Tom - Could you please email me some large pictures (at least 800 pixels wide) of each of those two sets for The Gilbert Gallery: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html I'd appreciate it!!! Happy New Year - I hope you're enjoying the football. Bob fireladdie2003 <tdavis121@...> wrote: ... I have bought the Lionel/AF Southern work train set(2004) and the Chessie freight set(2006), I have been very impressed with them. Happy New Year to everyone, Tom Davis, Chesterfield,VA Recent Activity 6 New Members 3 New Photos Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Sitebuilder Build a web site quickly & easily with Sitebuilder. Dog Zone on Yahoo! Groups Join a Group all about dogs. . --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46502	From: beebear	Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: CNW Baldwin pictures

I wonder if you can buy that drive from L and if so what would the cost be?? JOHN ----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertflyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] CNW Baldwin pictures FYI I uploaded the pictures of the drive and frame to the location below: http://www.mwkiner.com/af/CNWBaldwin.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46503	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: CNW Baldwin pictures

They don't have it in their parts list yet. (I was thinking the same thing). The previous revision has a price tag of I believe $27.00. I am betting this one is about the same. I intend to keep watch. MK --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beebear" <beebear@...> wrote: > > I wonder if you can buy that drive from L and if so what would the cost be?? > > JOHN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46504	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Using a Pike Master Crossover. It does not to look bad

It's all good. I made a decision today that I am taking down my layout. I have a large room in the basement that is carpeted and walls are finished. It's all coming down for the sake of the family. My son is almost a year old and we don't want him sharing a room with his sisters, so...... I have an unfinished room still in the basement, but it has been a "catchall" for many years and so it is a long way from being converted to "useable" space. I am hoping to maintain a small layout because the kids do enjoy running the trains, but the livable space is the priority. Thanks any way. If you do ever get it drawn up I would like a copy! gary On Dec 31, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Boss31@... wrote: > No Gary, I don't. I just built it from a plan in my head. One of > these days > I'll draw one up. > > Steve > > > In a message dated 12/29/2007 4:26:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > gchidester@... writes: > > Do you have a copy of the track plan? That sounds a lot like what I am > hoping for, a long run without repeating. > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46505	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Used SHS For Sale

We have just posted about 100 pieces of used S-Helper Equipment to our website SHS Inventory Sales List. With very few exceptions (which are noted), all items are in perfect condition, and boxed, other than the fact that wheels show they have been run. Most are priced under $30 each, and most are no longer available from SHS. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobbies www.portlines.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46506	From: beebear	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: CNW Baldwin pictures

Well if you see the new listing Please let me know Thanks john ----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertflyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: CNW Baldwin pictures They don't have it in their parts list yet. (I was thinking the same thing). The previous revision has a price tag of I believe $27.00. I am betting this one is about the same. I intend to keep watch. MK --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beebear" <beebear@...> wrote: > > I wonder if you can buy that drive from L and if so what would the cost be?? > > JOHN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46507	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: E-bay

There IS a relatively rare green T&P gon-its 631, but with a painted shell and weighted KC trucks. I have 3 of these, got them from a the nephew of two ladies who worked at Erector Square. Also got a Smokey Joe and a weird silver painted 0 gage Atlantic-which now looks like a Dorfan loco, unfortunately. Haven't seen him since I moved to VT, but he's still in the New Haven phone book. Gotta wonder about all the Flyer he had-maybe I'll give him a call-John Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46508	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Used SHS For Sale

Doug This came at a timely moment: Please give me a price on the following S-Helper items: ! each of the following S-helper items 370 481 489 500 513 514 515 570 611 658 688 689 798 799 805 968 969 1007 1008 1010 1020 1021 1137 1273 Niblets 1273 Monarch 1275 1276 1277 1279 1393 1510 1512 1513 1514 1571 1828 1830 My interest in used items would be for only top quality in original boxes. If I have selected items which are in lesser condition please let me know. Additionally, if cars have additional weight installed where is the weight installed and how are weights attached? Thank you. Roger Dumas Rutland, VT ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 01/02/2008 9:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Used SHS For Sale We have just posted about 100 pieces of used S-Helper Equipment to our website SHS Inventory Sales List. With very few exceptions (which are noted), all items are in perfect condition, and boxed, other than the fact that wheels show they have been run. Most are priced under $30 each, and most are no longer available from SHS. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobbies www.portlines.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46509	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Used SHS For Sale

Hi Doug and Happy New Year I would be interested in two of the SHS cars 1273 Monarch Food and 481 Grand Canyon. If still available Thanks Al Paolozzi ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Used SHS For Sale We have just posted about 100 pieces of used S-Helper Equipment to our website SHS Inventory Sales List. With very few exceptions (which are noted), all items are in perfect condition, and boxed, other than the fact that wheels show they have been run. Most are priced under $30 each, and most are no longer available from SHS. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobbies www.portlines.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46510	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars

Seeing the recent post regarding window inserts for the Fronitersman passenger coaches made me think ( again) if anyone has come up with a simple but effective way to add illumination to these cars without replacing the trucks? The frames have a hole for the AF light socket, so I'm thinking maybe some kind of shoe for power pick-up? I'll bet someone has tackled this project - how did you do it? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46511	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars

I'm also interested in doing this but doubt it can be accomplished without replacing the trucks. I look forward to the answer. Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hugoroundhouse Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars Seeing the recent post regarding window inserts for the Fronitersman passenger coaches made me think ( again) if anyone has come up with a simple but effective way to add illumination to these cars without replacing the trucks? The frames have a hole for the AF light socket, so I'm thinking maybe some kind of shoe for power pick-up? I'll bet someone has tackled this project - how did you do it? Jim E. Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 1/1/2008 12:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 1/1/2008 12:09 PM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46512	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: TEST

Hi Everyone, And Happy New Year......Don Rodgers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46513	From: barb	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars

Me too.... No, Me three.... Barb -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Highfield <davidh@...> >Sent: Jan 2, 2008 4:44 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars > >I'm also interested in doing this but doubt it can be accomplished without >replacing the trucks. I look forward to the answer. >Dave in Maryland > > >-----Original Message----- >From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf >Of hugoroundhouse >Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:33 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars > >Seeing the recent post regarding window inserts for the Fronitersman >passenger coaches made me think ( again) if anyone has come up with a >simple but effective way to add illumination to these cars without >replacing the trucks? The frames have a hole for the AF light socket, >so I'm thinking maybe some kind of shoe for power pick-up? I'll bet >someone has tackled this project - how did you do it? > >Jim E. > > > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 1/1/2008 >12:09 PM > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 1/1/2008 >12:09 PM > > > > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46514	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars

I guess I'll have to look at one of my coaches because I'm not clear on why the trucks would have to be changed. Rick. > >> >> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars >> >> I'm also interested in doing this but doubt it can be accomplished >> without >> replacing the trucks. I look forward to the answer. >> Dave in Maryland >> >> >> rs >> >> Seeing the recent post regarding window inserts for the Fronitersman >> passenger coaches made me think ( again) if anyone has come up with a >> simple but effective way to add illumination to these cars without >> replacing the trucks? The frames have a hole for the AF light >> socket, >> so I'm thinking maybe some kind of shoe for power pick-up? I'll bet >> someone has tackled this project - how did you do it? >> >> Jim E. >> >> >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: >> 1/1/2008 >> 12:09 PM >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: >> 1/1/2008 >> 12:09 PM >> >> >> >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46515	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars

I agree. You would need some junker streamline passenger cars or equivalent to scavenge the wheelsets and the pickup spring is 640-9500-040 still available from Lionel Parts that could be used as a bolt on add on to improve the pickup. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick Evans Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars I guess I'll have to look at one of my coaches because I'm not clear on why the trucks would have to be changed. Rick. > >> >> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars >> >> I'm also interested in doing this but doubt it can be accomplished >> without >> replacing the trucks. I look forward to the answer. >> Dave in Maryland >> >> >> rs >> >> Seeing the recent post regarding window inserts for the Fronitersman >> passenger coaches made me think ( again) if anyone has come up with a >> simple but effective way to add illumination to these cars without >> replacing the trucks? The frames have a hole for the AF light >> socket, >> so I'm thinking maybe some kind of shoe for power pick-up? I'll bet >> someone has tackled this project - how did you do it? >> >> Jim E. >> >> >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: >> 1/1/2008 >> 12:09 PM >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: >> 1/1/2008 >> 12:09 PM >> >> >> >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46516	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars

To the group: I have 2#20's that have the lights in them. They were that way when I acquired them. The cars have a plastic chassis so that acts as the insulater. You simply change the wheel sets to standard metal wheels opposite each other as on any standard passenger car and solder your wires to the truck rivot heads. Simple and absolutely not difficult to do. The trucks do not need to be changed. I can email a picture to anyone that may want to see it, contact me off-line. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:33:18 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars Seeing the recent post regarding window inserts for the Fronitersman passenger coaches made me think ( again) if anyone has come up with a simple but effective way to add illumination to these cars without replacing the trucks? The frames have a hole for the AF light socket, so I'm thinking maybe some kind of shoe for power pick-up? I'll bet someone has tackled this project - how did you do it?Jim E. _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46517	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars

Thanks Larry - I figured someone had already invented the wheel on this (no pun intended!). So, as I read your response, I take it that one wire should be soldered to the base of the socket and the other to the side of the socket since the chassis is not metal and grounded. Correct? Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> To the group: I have 2#20's that have the lights in them. They were that way when I acquired them. The cars have a plastic chassis so that acts as the insulater. You simply change the wheel sets to standard metal wheels opposite each other as on any standard passenger car and solder your wires to the truck rivot heads. Simple and absolutely not difficult to do. The trucks do not need to be changed. I can email a picture to anyone that may want to see it, contact me off-line. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:33:18 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars Seeing the recent post regarding window inserts for the Fronitersman passenger coaches made me think ( again) if anyone has come up with a simple but effective way to add illumination to these cars without replacing the trucks? The frames have a hole for the AF light socket, so I'm thinking maybe some kind of shoe for power pick-up? I'll bet someone has tackled this project - how did you do it?Jim E. __________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46518	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars

Jim, That is correct. Larry From: jimensign50@...: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.comCC: mo2337@...: RE: [S-Trains] Illuminating Frontiersman CarsDate: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 03:28:56 +0000 Thanks Larry - I figured someone had already invented the wheel on this (no pun intended!). So, as I read your response, I take it that one wire should be soldered to the base of the socket and the other to the side of the socket since the chassis is not metal and grounded. Correct? Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> To the group: I have 2#20's that have the lights in them. They were that way when I acquired them. The cars have a plastic chassis so that acts as the insulater. You simply change the wheel sets to standard metal wheels opposite each other as on any standard passenger car and solder your wires to the truck rivot heads. Simple and absolutely not difficult to do. The trucks do not need to be changed. I can email a picture to anyone that may want to see it, contact me off-line. Thanks, LarryTo: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:33:18 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Illuminating Frontiersman CarsSeeing the recent post regarding window inserts for the Fronitersman passenger coaches made me think ( again) if anyone has come up with a simple but effective way to add illumination to these cars without replacing the trucks? The frames have a hole for the AF light socket, so I'm thinking maybe some kind of shoe for power pick-up? I'll bet someone has tackled this project - how did you do it?Jim E. __________________________________________________________Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ i�m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46519	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars (it's easy)

Since the rivets holding the truck in place are hollow all you need to do is use some of the copper strips as found on tenders and caboose, etc. and hold them in place with a size 4-40 bolt and aircraft nut. They will only reach to one of the wheel sets unless you solder an additional piece on the other end of the strip. Then simply replace the insulated plastic wheel on opposite sides of the two trucks with metal wheels and you are in business. PS we have the parts needed to do this. (I just finished doing one) Other folks do too. Steve SnS Trains Boise _www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com) **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46520	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Illuminating Frontiersman Cars

Just a suggestion-I illuminated my FY&P coaches but felt that the traditional bulbs are way too bright. What I did was to get yellow LEDs and solder the leads to the AL bulb socket. Also put HO pot bellied stoves in each coach. I just may do full interiors, so many HO detail sets are "close enough" to fake it. Oh-also bored the stoves out from the inside, drilled straight thru the door and placed a red LED in each-some plastic sprue stretched over a candle make a pretty nice door when you ZAP them on like a small grid. Reminds me of what firetraps this generation of coaches really were.-J Marganski --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46521	From: hsjobbins@juno.com	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Used SHS For Sale

Doug, I must have missed postings for "Big E" train show. Can you advise, Thanks Steve Jobbins Trumbull, CT _____________________________________________________________ Click to get free info on how to start processing credit cards. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3l48hHuK63vZbqQ2QEo3vlTMyJ7uQD4HovwMbMy61V5t3U9d/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46522	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Canawlers

I just finished the first novel, "Canawlers" about a family running a canal boat on the C&O Canal in 1862. There is a follow up book which I will start to read. The book did not portrait the people who ran the Railroads as very nice people, as the "Canawlers" as that is what they called themselves, who worked the boats and the Railroaders where at each other's neck for freight, which usually was coal for the canal boats to deliver to Georgetown in Washington DC. Of course, the canal was sort of the dividing line between the north and south, as in a way, it was almost like what is going on in countries today at war, as the south tried to stop boats from delivering coal to run the government buildings in Washington. Anyway, the RR ran parallel at many places along the canal and the engineers would purposely blow their train horns to spook the mules pulling the boats, that usually cause injury, even death to the person leading the mules, usually children of the family running the boats. Another thing that was a big part of the book was Shanty Town in Cumberland MD which was the red light district and tavern areas of Cumberland for the Railroaders. Shanty Town was a very dangerous place. And at that, I will let your own imagination take over. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46523	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: [Strains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars

I think(?) you might try Adlake light kits Benton Harbor MI. they have lighting kits for cabooses and drum kits for tail cars on passenger trains. On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:33:18 -0000 "horrendous" <imagine@compartment> writes: Seeing the recent post regarding window inserts for the Frontiersman passenger coaches made me think ( again) if anyone has come up with a simple but effective way to add illumination to these cars without replacing the trucks? The frames have a hole for the A light socket, so I'm thinking maybe some kind of shoe for power pickup? I'll bet someone has tackled this project - how did you do it? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46524	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: [Strains] Best AF instruction book

tried to write to you at jaay_st @ yahoo but some thing about the address domain name or something, it wouldn't go through. How about the American Flyer instruction manual? maybe $5 or $10. On Thus, 13 DEC 2007 12:46:55 -0000 "jay_St" <jay_St@yahoo> writes: Hi all, Just want to take this opportunity to thank all who answered my questions yesterday. You were all instrumental in getting the old train running. Now, maybe I can ask one more - is there a good book on setting up and wiring a train set? Looking for that one good one that will run down wiring the set, wiring accessories, wire sizes/type [strand or solid] and how to sequence everything? Thanks Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46525	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: [Strains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars

Hi Mike, Thanks for the heads up. Can you give me an address or a webb sight... Thanks, Don Rodgers...drmusic244@... >From: Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> >Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [Strains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars >Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:08:19 -0600 > >I think(?) you might try Adlake light kits Benton Harbor MI. >they have lighting kits for cabooses and drum kits for tail cars on >passenger trains. > >On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:33:18 -0000 "horrendous" <imagine@compartment> >writes: >Seeing the recent post regarding window inserts for the Frontiersman >passenger coaches made me think ( again) if anyone has come up with a >simple but effective way to add illumination to these cars without >replacing the trucks? The frames have a hole for the A light socket, >so I'm thinking maybe some kind of shoe for power pickup? I'll bet >someone has tackled this project - how did you do it? > >Jim E. > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46526	From: roy inman	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Takin down the Trains, Jan 2, 2008-USKC

Just a note to train folks in all scales: We are beginning the take-down of our 54'x64' Holiday Village layout at Union Station Kansas City and it was the most successful year of the three since its inception. Station officials estimate that from the time of its setup in September to January, more than 150,000 visitors viewed the layout. And I must mention that the S phase of the big layout was absolutely the most reliable of the three scales represented, the other two being O and G. We ran S-Helper Service trains virtually continuously, 8~10 hours a day and aside from regular lubrication, no maintenance was required whatsoever. Not so with the O and G gauge trains. Roy Inman, still basking in the glow of a terrific holiday season spent running trains in America's second largest rail terminal !!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46527	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Used SHS For Sale

The West Springfield show is almost always scheduled for the "off weekend" prior to the Super Bowl......this year, January 26-27. They've added a 4th building this year. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46528	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Gilbert Arenas

It was reported in yesterday's Washington Post, that Gilbert Arenas, basketball player for the Washington Wizard's NBA team was shopping for toys for his kids before Christmas and he saw a train set in a store window, FAO Schwarz, as the train went in and out of tunnels and mountains. He told a sales person he wanted that train set. He was given a box and he said, "Shouldn't it be bigger? Because I don't think the mountains can fit in this little box." He was told that the mountains, tunnels and the rest of the scenery did not come with the set. Just the train and train tracks and he was to set it up on his carpet in his house. He then said, "well it is not that attractive anymore...If I'm going to buy this, I want it to look like this" like in the display. He finally got the store to give him the whole display and they would set it up in his house. He said he did not want a little train on the carpet like he had when he was little. That wasn't fun. (No kidding, my comment) Don't let him in the TCA museum, he would want the whole place then! LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46529	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Arenas

Dear Mike, Just about every train show someone tries to buy our 5' X 9' Display layout with trains included. Don Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > It was reported in yesterday's Washington Post, that Gilbert Arenas, > basketball player for the Washington Wizard's NBA team was shopping > for toys for his kids before Christmas and he saw a train set in a > store window, FAO Schwarz, as the train went in and out of tunnels and > mountains. He told a sales person he wanted that train set. > > He was given a box and he said, "Shouldn't it be bigger? Because I > don't think the mountains can fit in this little box." > > He was told that the mountains, tunnels and the rest of the scenery > did not come with the set. Just the train and train tracks and he was > to set it up on his carpet in his house. He then said, "well it is not > that attractive anymore...If I'm going to buy this, I want it to look > like this" like in the display. > > He finally got the store to give him the whole display and they would > set it up in his house. He said he did not want a little train on the > carpet like he had when he was little. That wasn't fun. (No kidding, > my comment) > > Don't let him in the TCA museum, he would want the whole place then! LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46530	From: barb	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Takin down the Trains, Jan 2, 2008-USKC

How awesome, Roy!! Congrats to you and kudos to S-Helper - Way to go Don and Robin.... Barb -----Original Message----- >From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> >Sent: Jan 4, 2008 12:51 AM >To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com >Cc: S-scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Takin down the Trains, Jan 2, 2008-USKC > >Just a note to train folks in all scales: We are beginning the take-down of >our 54'x64' Holiday Village layout at Union Station Kansas City and it was >the most successful year of the three since its inception. Station officials >estimate that from the time of its setup in September to January, more than >150,000 visitors viewed the layout. > >And I must mention that the S phase of the big layout was absolutely the >most reliable of the three scales represented, the other two being O and G. > >We ran S-Helper Service trains virtually continuously, 8~10 hours a day and >aside from regular lubrication, no maintenance was required whatsoever. Not >so with the O and G gauge trains. > >Roy Inman, still basking in the glow of a terrific holiday season spent >running trains in America's second largest rail terminal !!! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46531	From: barb	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Arenas

Hi Don, Would you consider selling it - for a hefty price, of course? Then you could build another and start a whole new division of S-Helper. Hummm... Food for thought? Barb -----Original Message----- >From: Don Thompson <don@...> >Sent: Jan 4, 2008 10:46 AM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert Arenas > >Dear Mike, > Just about every train show someone tries to buy our 5' X 9' Display >layout with trains included. >Don > >Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > >> It was reported in yesterday's Washington Post, that Gilbert Arenas, >> basketball player for the Washington Wizard's NBA team was shopping >> for toys for his kids before Christmas and he saw a train set in a >> store window, FAO Schwarz, as the train went in and out of tunnels and >> mountains. He told a sales person he wanted that train set. >> >> He was given a box and he said, "Shouldn't it be bigger? Because I >> don't think the mountains can fit in this little box." >> >> He was told that the mountains, tunnels and the rest of the scenery >> did not come with the set. Just the train and train tracks and he was >> to set it up on his carpet in his house. He then said, "well it is not >> that attractive anymore...If I'm going to buy this, I want it to look >> like this" like in the display. >> >> He finally got the store to give him the whole display and they would >> set it up in his house. He said he did not want a little train on the >> carpet like he had when he was little. That wasn't fun. (No kidding, >> my comment) >> >> Don't let him in the TCA museum, he would want the whole place then! LOL >> >> Mike Marmer >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46532	From: ctbigboy	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: [Strains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars

Dallee Electronics / www.dallee.com They make Regulated Lighting that uses track power to provide illumination beginning at about 3 volts. Maximum illumination is reached at approximately 4.5 volts and remains constant for the balance of the speed range. Regulated Lighting gives a more intense and uniform illumination, uses less current and tends to ignore power interruptions caused by dirt on wheels and track resulting in more flicker free lighting. I have installed dozens of these light systems and they work GREAT! ctbigboy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Don Rodgers Sr." <drmusic244@...> wrote: > > Hi Mike, Thanks for the heads up. Can you give me an address or a webb > sight... Thanks, Don Rodgers...drmusic244@... > > > >From: Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> > >Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [Strains] Illuminating Frontiersman Cars > >Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:08:19 -0600 > > > >I think(?) you might try Adlake light kits Benton Harbor MI. > >they have lighting kits for cabooses and drum kits for tail cars on > >passenger trains. > > > >On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:33:18 -0000 "horrendous" <imagine@compartment> > >writes: > >Seeing the recent post regarding window inserts for the Frontiersman > >passenger coaches made me think ( again) if anyone has come up with a > >simple but effective way to add illumination to these cars without > >replacing the trucks? The frames have a hole for the A light socket, > >so I'm thinking maybe some kind of shoe for power pickup? I'll bet > >someone has tackled this project - how did you do it? > > > >Jim E. > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46533	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Arenas

Hi Don, Your layout looks like a million dollars so don't take any less. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert Arenas Dear Mike, Just about every train show someone tries to buy our 5' X 9' Display layout with trains included. Don Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > It was reported in yesterday's Washington Post, that Gilbert Arenas, > basketball player for the Washington Wizard's NBA team was shopping > for toys for his kids before Christmas and he saw a train set in a > store window, FAO Schwarz, as the train went in and out of tunnels and > mountains. He told a sales person he wanted that train set. > > He was given a box and he said, "Shouldn't it be bigger? Because I > don't think the mountains can fit in this little box." > > He was told that the mountains, tunnels and the rest of the scenery > did not come with the set. Just the train and train tracks and he was > to set it up on his carpet in his house. He then said, "well it is not > that attractive anymore...If I'm going to buy this, I want it to look > like this" like in the display. > > He finally got the store to give him the whole display and they would > set it up in his house. He said he did not want a little train on the > carpet like he had when he was little. That wasn't fun. (No kidding, > my comment) > > Don't let him in the TCA museum, he would want the whole place then! LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46534	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Arenas

Don Thompson wrote: > > > Dear Mike, > Just about every train show someone tries to buy our 5' X 9' Display > layout with trains included. > Don 5" X 9" was a common size for the original Gilbert store displays. Any idea how they arrived at that size? I only ask because I still have the Gilbert AF #300 store display that my dad bought for Christmas in 1954. It is made up of two sections, each 4'6" X 5' and bolts together to make a 5' X 9' display. He bought it from the Phelps Dodge Mercantile store in Morenci AZ. A picture of the brochure for it is shown in the July/August 2005 issue of S Guagian on page 33. Robert Tufts published it in answer to my question about identifying it. It included 5 mini-craft buildings and about a dozen accessories, all for the magnificent price of $182 1954 dollars! I have been restoring the bits and hope to put it back up sometime this spring. The original trains that my dad bought with it were a K335 steamer set and a 283 steamer set. Every year for about 6 years he would buy me more trains for it. One of the sets I got was the 20540 Missouri Pacific Merchandiser set. I think he may have bought another set in 1960 but by then I was 14 and interested in other things besides trains. Somehow I've managed to keep it and the Erector sets through many moves. It's a great reminder of my father and all of the wonderful times we had playing with it. I often wonder if he bought it as much for himself as for me? ;-) BTW, I watched "The Man Who Saved Christmas" on DVD again last night. Great story of AC and his family, loosely based on the book, "The Man Who Lives in Paradise." Was particularly appropriate as I had been playing with one of the Erector sets earlier in the day. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46535	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts

Hello Friends: George Cohn asked: "5' X 9' was a common size for the original Gilbert store displays. Any idea how they arrived at that size?" Based totally on my own anecdotal experience, I have three possible reasons, of which only the first likely applies to the construction of factory display layouts by Gilbert. First, unlike some other train sets, traditional AF needed at least 5 feet of width to make two loops of track on a level surface. The typical 4' by 8' board just wasn't wide enough. Second, isn't that about the size of a ping pong table? Finally, I was told by an old hand at a lumber yard where I tried to purchase such a size that 5' by 9' used to be a fairly common and available size for a sheet of plywood. This may have influenced Gilbert to feature this size much the way HO manufacturers have always featured the ubiquitous 4' by 8' foot layout plan. This was certainly illustrated in my life when back in the mid-fifties, my dad drew up a pretty neat 5' by 9' layout on a piece of graph paper that had two loops, of course. He even went so far as to purchase the requisite 5' by 9' piece of 1/2 inch plywood. We moved that piece of plywood from Burien to West Seattle and then two Wenatchee, WA over the next 10 years before it became part of another project. Our AF trains remained running on floor layouts. I still have the drawing, and about 30 years ago I tried to purchase a 5' by 9' piece of plywood in the Portland, OR area. I couldn't readily find one, so I had 4' by 8' sheets cut into three 5' by 3' pieces for three small tables that I bolted together. These tables worked better as a portable platform for the temporary layouts I was planning and displaying any way. So, while someone who asked a former Gilbert employee about this matter may have the real answer, this has always made sense to me. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46536	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Gilbert Arenas?

Huh?? I thought the arenas associated with A.C. Gilbert were Yale Bowl and the Paine-Whitney Gym (all groan here)-John Marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46537	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts

five by nine was a reasonably standard piece of plywood as the standard size of a ping pong table. I had two sheets of five by nine and a four by eight as my layout as a kid. Bill Drake twelve degrees F this morning in Central Virginia - good train weather --- Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote: > Hello Friends: > > George Cohn asked: "5' X 9' was a common size for > the original Gilbert store displays. Any idea how > they arrived at that size?" > > Based totally on my own anecdotal experience, I have > three possible reasons, of which only the first > likely applies to the construction of factory > display layouts by Gilbert. First, unlike some > other train sets, traditional AF needed at least 5 > feet of width to make two loops of track on a level > surface. The typical 4' by 8' board just wasn't > wide enough. Second, isn't that about the size of a > ping pong table? > > Finally, I was told by an old hand at a lumber yard > where I tried to purchase such a size that 5' by 9' > used to be a fairly common and available size for a > sheet of plywood. This may have influenced Gilbert > to feature this size much the way HO manufacturers > have always featured the ubiquitous 4' by 8' foot > layout plan. > > This was certainly illustrated in my life when back > in the mid-fifties, my dad drew up a pretty neat 5' > by 9' layout on a piece of graph paper that had two > loops, of course. He even went so far as to > purchase the requisite 5' by 9' piece of 1/2 inch > plywood. We moved that piece of plywood from Burien > to West Seattle and then two Wenatchee, WA over the > next 10 years before it became part of another > project. Our AF trains remained running on floor > layouts. > > I still have the drawing, and about 30 years ago I > tried to purchase a 5' by 9' piece of plywood in the > Portland, OR area. I couldn't readily find one, so > I had 4' by 8' sheets cut into three 5' by 3' pieces > for three small tables that I bolted together. > These tables worked better as a portable platform > for the temporary layouts I was planning and > displaying any way. > > So, while someone who asked a former Gilbert > employee about this matter may have the real answer, > this has always made sense to me. > > Cheers! > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46538	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: [Strains] New by question

sparks from caboose wheels could be it is off the tracks. Is it a lighted caboose? hook up to the 7-15 as that one is the variable speed. the 15 is for accessories, Gabe the lamp lighter etc. On Wed, 12 DEC 2007 10:55:56 -0500 John Steven <jay_St@yahoo> writes: So, a few years ago I got the wife a train set to match her birth year. We won't go there. Anyway, it's been on display since. Just decided to hook it up for Christmas. It's a #293 loco. Just tried a circle with the loco and caboose. Right now I have a 1 1/KB [but have a #KB on standby. Question - track connection is base to base; but where does the other wire go on the transformer 7-15V or 15V? Also, got it working with the 1 1/2B for a few seconds. Didn't even make it around once. I am getting some sparks from the rear wheels on the caboose just before it stops. Also, where is reverse? It starts up fwd once, then reverse. Sorry, no manual or instructions here. Maybe get it running before she gets home tonight. Thanks Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46539	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts

Curiosity. The Architectural Graphic Standards of 1956 only lists 4' x 8', 10, & 12' sheets of plywood. No 5' x 9' are listed but someone may have made special sheets for "Table Tennis" at 5' x 9'. Several companies make 5' x 9' today. Hardel produces a full line of sanded panels, 303 plywood sidings and marine grade panels, along with structural 9' + 10' sheathing panels. Sanded precision dimensions range from 1/4" to 1" in thickness available in 4x8, 4x9, 4x10, 5x8, 5x9 and 5x10. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 5' by 9' AF Layouts five by nine was a reasonably standard piece of plywood as the standard size of a ping pong table. I had two sheets of five by nine and a four by eight as my layout as a kid. Bill Drake twelve degrees F this morning in Central Virginia - good train weather --- Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote: > Hello Friends: > > George Cohn asked: "5' X 9' was a common size for > the original Gilbert store displays. Any idea how > they arrived at that size?" > > Based totally on my own anecdotal experience, I have > three possible reasons, of which only the first > likely applies to the construction of factory > display layouts by Gilbert. First, unlike some > other train sets, traditional AF needed at least 5 > feet of width to make two loops of track on a level > surface. The typical 4' by 8' board just wasn't > wide enough. Second, isn't that about the size of a > ping pong table? > > Finally, I was told by an old hand at a lumber yard > where I tried to purchase such a size that 5' by 9' > used to be a fairly common and available size for a > sheet of plywood. This may have influenced Gilbert > to feature this size much the way HO manufacturers > have always featured the ubiquitous 4' by 8' foot > layout plan. > > This was certainly illustrated in my life when back > in the mid-fifties, my dad drew up a pretty neat 5' > by 9' layout on a piece of graph paper that had two > loops, of course. He even went so far as to > purchase the requisite 5' by 9' piece of 1/2 inch > plywood. We moved that piece of plywood from Burien > to West Seattle and then two Wenatchee, WA over the > next 10 years before it became part of another > project. Our AF trains remained running on floor > layouts. > > I still have the drawing, and about 30 years ago I > tried to purchase a 5' by 9' piece of plywood in the > Portland, OR area. I couldn't readily find one, so > I had 4' by 8' sheets cut into three 5' by 3' pieces > for three small tables that I bolted together. > These tables worked better as a portable platform > for the temporary layouts I was planning and > displaying any way. > > So, while someone who asked a former Gilbert > employee about this matter may have the real answer, > this has always made sense to me. > > Cheers! > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46540	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts

And try to find a 5 x 9 piece of plywood today is impossible, since the construction business mainly uses 4 x 8 in building. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 5' by 9' AF Layouts five by nine was a reasonably standard piece of plywood as the standard size of a ping pong table. I had two sheets of five by nine and a four by eight as my layout as a kid. Bill Drake twelve degrees F this morning in Central Virginia - good train weather --- Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote: > Hello Friends: > > George Cohn asked: "5' X 9' was a common size for > the original Gilbert store displays. Any idea how > they arrived at that size?" > > Based totally on my own anecdotal experience, I have > three possible reasons, of which only the first > likely applies to the construction of factory > display layouts by Gilbert. First, unlike some > other train sets, traditional AF needed at least 5 > feet of width to make two loops of track on a level > surface. The typical 4' by 8' board just wasn't > wide enough. Second, isn't that about the size of a > ping pong table? > > Finally, I was told by an old hand at a lumber yard > where I tried to purchase such a size that 5' by 9' > used to be a fairly common and available size for a > sheet of plywood. This may have influenced Gilbert > to feature this size much the way HO manufacturers > have always featured the ubiquitous 4' by 8' foot > layout plan. > > This was certainly illustrated in my life when back > in the mid-fifties, my dad drew up a pretty neat 5' > by 9' layout on a piece of graph paper that had two > loops, of course. He even went so far as to > purchase the requisite 5' by 9' piece of 1/2 inch > plywood. We moved that piece of plywood from Burien > to West Seattle and then two Wenatchee, WA over the > next 10 years before it became part of another > project. Our AF trains remained running on floor > layouts. > > I still have the drawing, and about 30 years ago I > tried to purchase a 5' by 9' piece of plywood in the > Portland, OR area. I couldn't readily find one, so > I had 4' by 8' sheets cut into three 5' by 3' pieces > for three small tables that I bolted together. > These tables worked better as a portable platform > for the temporary layouts I was planning and > displaying any way. > > So, while someone who asked a former Gilbert > employee about this matter may have the real answer, > this has always made sense to me. > > Cheers! > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46541	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Arenas?

Rim Shot. I am sure Mr. Arenas of the basketball team has no clue who Mr. A C Gilbert is. And probably could not care less. He makes more money for one game, that Mr. Gilbert made in his lifetime. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: john isn't eddie anymore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Arenas? Huh?? I thought the arenas associated with A.C. Gilbert were Yale Bowl and the Paine-Whitney Gym (all groan here)-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46542	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Arenas

Don, Anything is for sale, if the price is right. Take the money and run! Hey, I think that was a song by Steve Miller! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert Arenas Dear Mike, Just about every train show someone tries to buy our 5' X 9' Display layout with trains included. Don Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > It was reported in yesterday's Washington Post, that Gilbert Arenas, > basketball player for the Washington Wizard's NBA team was shopping > for toys for his kids before Christmas and he saw a train set in a > store window, FAO Schwarz, as the train went in and out of tunnels and > mountains. He told a sales person he wanted that train set. > > He was given a box and he said, "Shouldn't it be bigger? Because I > don't think the mountains can fit in this little box." > > He was told that the mountains, tunnels and the rest of the scenery > did not come with the set. Just the train and train tracks and he was > to set it up on his carpet in his house. He then said, "well it is not > that attractive anymore...If I'm going to buy this, I want it to look > like this" like in the display. > > He finally got the store to give him the whole display and they would > set it up in his house. He said he did not want a little train on the > carpet like he had when he was little. That wasn't fun. (No kidding, > my comment) > > Don't let him in the TCA museum, he would want the whole place then! LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46543	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Weight for PRS car

Good evening. I am putting together a Pacific Rail Shops PFE reefer. How much weight should I put into the car to bring it to the correct running weight? The car is currently without trucks. I do have access to a postal scale and access to weights. So, dear experts, how much weight to I need to glue to the floor? Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46544	From: John Simms	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: ?Subject= Re: [toytrains] Takin down the Trains, Jan 2, 2008-USKC

Any pictures or a write up of the KC train show? John Simms _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46545	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts

Everything I have read here is correct to the best of my knowledge. I have run Flyer trains for about 55 years. Before and after retirement from the fire service I did, and do now, work in the lumber business, as my father did before me. 5X9 sheets of plywood were easier to find in the 50s. Not sure one can find them any longer. Most people who play table tennis buy the folding table from a sporting goods store. I have three main sources for plywood at work (GP, Weyerhouser and Diamond Hill), and will try to remember to check with them Monday to see if 5X9 is still available. But for my 5X9 portable display, I also cut up 3 pieces of 4X8 into 3X5 and built them with individual framework, which I put on another L girder type frame with folding legs. I store these in a rack in a covered trailer in my garage so when I go to a train show, I merely hook the trailer to my truck. Once at the show I unload the trailer, assemble the table with pre-mounted track and add the electronics, accessories, scenery and trains. That takes about 2 - 3 hours. I have lots of buttons on the corners for the kids to run the accessories. The last show I did at the Virginia Science Museum over Thanksgiving resulted in a great photo in the Richmond paper of a pair of twins playing with the buttons, wide-eyed. If anyone wants to see photos of the layout, I will check my computer and place them here in the photos section. Wayne Beachy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > And try to find a 5 x 9 piece of plywood today is impossible, since the construction business mainly uses 4 x 8 in building. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Drake > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 5' by 9' AF Layouts > > > five by nine was a reasonably standard piece of > plywood as the standard size of a ping pong table. I > had two sheets of five by nine and a four by eight as > my layout as a kid. > > Bill Drake > twelve degrees F this morning in Central Virginia - > good train weather > --- Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> > wrote: > > > Hello Friends: > > > > George Cohn asked: "5' X 9' was a common size for > > the original Gilbert store displays. Any idea how > > they arrived at that size?" > > > > Based totally on my own anecdotal experience, I have > > three possible reasons, of which only the first > > likely applies to the construction of factory > > display layouts by Gilbert. First, unlike some > > other train sets, traditional AF needed at least 5 > > feet of width to make two loops of track on a level > > surface. The typical 4' by 8' board just wasn't > > wide enough. Second, isn't that about the size of a > > ping pong table? > > > > Finally, I was told by an old hand at a lumber yard > > where I tried to purchase such a size that 5' by 9' > > used to be a fairly common and available size for a > > sheet of plywood. This may have influenced Gilbert > > to feature this size much the way HO manufacturers > > have always featured the ubiquitous 4' by 8' foot > > layout plan. > > > > This was certainly illustrated in my life when back > > in the mid-fifties, my dad drew up a pretty neat 5' > > by 9' layout on a piece of graph paper that had two > > loops, of course. He even went so far as to > > purchase the requisite 5' by 9' piece of 1/2 inch > > plywood. We moved that piece of plywood from Burien > > to West Seattle and then two Wenatchee, WA over the > > next 10 years before it became part of another > > project. Our AF trains remained running on floor > > layouts. > > > > I still have the drawing, and about 30 years ago I > > tried to purchase a 5' by 9' piece of plywood in the > > Portland, OR area. I couldn't readily find one, so > > I had 4' by 8' sheets cut into three 5' by 3' pieces > > for three small tables that I bolted together. > > These tables worked better as a portable platform > > for the temporary layouts I was planning and > > displaying any way. > > > > So, while someone who asked a former Gilbert > > employee about this matter may have the real answer, > > this has always made sense to me. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Alan Bennett > > Keizer, OR > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46546	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts

Thirty years ago when we moved into our present house, I put a ping pong table in the basement. I bought two sheets of 4-1/2' x 5' plywood and added framing and legs to make the table. I believe these were sold for do-it-yourself ping pong tables. If you notice the fold-up ping pong tables in the stores, these have two 4-1/2' x 5' sides. When my sons passed beyond the ping pong phase, my table became my train table. As someone noted, the 4-1/2' width allows two loops of track which the 4' width does not. It's possible that the ping pong size plywood was available after the war and the size fit into Gilbert track plans as the step up from a 4' x 8' size. A year or so ago I picked up a curbside ping pong table with the plan to use it for an expansion of my present layout. It comes a nice dark green color. All you have to do is sand/scrape off the white stripes. Roger Delthony rpd5@... EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46547	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts

Roger & All, I just did a Google search for 5x9 plywood. It is still being made & also 5x10. Mike in Ore PS: Sometimes I forget it's there too **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46548	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Cleaning Oil on paint

I opened up the boxes of my American Models Northern, and my E8 to install TMCC boards. I had bought these early in 2007, and opened them to look, but didn't take them out of the boxes. On both locomotives when I removed them from the original packing they were covered with lubricant on the side that was not visible. The clear plastic wrap they were packed in was soaked with oil. The question I have is how can I safely remove this from the paint of these units. Has anyone else had issues with excessive lube on new AM products? MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46549	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: 1936 TRAIN CARTOON

1936 Train cartoon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUgyWhKlH78 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46550	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts

How many of you remember when a 2X4 was 2 inches by 4 inches? I don't know for sure, but I imagine it's all part of the same trend. Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: And try to find a 5 x 9 piece of plywood today is impossible, since the construction business mainly uses 4 x 8 in building. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 5' by 9' AF Layouts five by nine was a reasonably standard piece of plywood as the standard size of a ping pong table. I had two sheets of five by nine and a four by eight as my layout as a kid. Bill Drake twelve degrees F this morning in Central Virginia - good train weather --- Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote: > Hello Friends: > > George Cohn asked: "5' X 9' was a common size for > the original Gilbert store displays. Any idea how > they arrived at that size?" > > Based totally on my own anecdotal experience, I have > three possible reasons, of which only the first > likely applies to the construction of factory > display layouts by Gilbert. First, unlike some > other train sets, traditional AF needed at least 5 > feet of width to make two loops of track on a level > surface. The typical 4' by 8' board just wasn't > wide enough. Second, isn't that about the size of a > ping pong table? > > Finally, I was told by an old hand at a lumber yard > where I tried to purchase such a size that 5' by 9' > used to be a fairly common and available size for a > sheet of plywood. This may have influenced Gilbert > to feature this size much the way HO manufacturers > have always featured the ubiquitous 4' by 8' foot > layout plan. > > This was certainly illustrated in my life when back > in the mid-fifties, my dad drew up a pretty neat 5' > by 9' layout on a piece of graph paper that had two > loops, of course. He even went so far as to > purchase the requisite 5' by 9' piece of 1/2 inch > plywood. We moved that piece of plywood from Burien > to West Seattle and then two Wenatchee, WA over the > next 10 years before it became part of another > project. Our AF trains remained running on floor > layouts. > > I still have the drawing, and about 30 years ago I > tried to purchase a 5' by 9' piece of plywood in the > Portland, OR area. I couldn't readily find one, so > I had 4' by 8' sheets cut into three 5' by 3' pieces > for three small tables that I bolted together. > These tables worked better as a portable platform > for the temporary layouts I was planning and > displaying any way. > > So, while someone who asked a former Gilbert > employee about this matter may have the real answer, > this has always made sense to me. > > Cheers! > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46551	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1936 TRAIN CARTOON

I don't mean to take this thread down a road it wasn't intended to go... but I'm amazed at the accuracy of the artwork in this video; the trains actually look like real trains... even the trucks on the boxcar the kid climbs on look believable. Doesn't at all fit the period (or the toy trains of the era). I guess this goes to show that toy & model manufacturers of that time could have done better since attention to detail was alive and well... at least in some arenas. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Ritter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: January 05, 2008 1:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 1936 TRAIN CARTOON 1936 Train cartoon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUgyWhKlH78 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46552	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Cartoon

Afternoon List, I certainly agree with John's comments on the cartoon...one remarkable thing I noticed the toy train had two rail track and electric of some sort, but they had had about 30 years of three rail track until then only clockwork was two rail....It was certainly larger than HO perhaps shades of things to come. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46553	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/6/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 46554	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Takin down the Trains, Jan 2, 2008-USKC

Roy, What is the schedule for the take down? I have something every day until next week so this weekend is out. Cliff Manning ---- roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > Just a note to train folks in all scales: We are beginning the take-down of > our 54'x64' Holiday Village layout at Union Station Kansas City and it was > the most successful year of the three since its inception. Station officials > estimate that from the time of its setup in September to January, more than > 150,000 visitors viewed the layout. > > And I must mention that the S phase of the big layout was absolutely the > most reliable of the three scales represented, the other two being O and G. > > We ran S-Helper Service trains virtually continuously, 8~10 hours a day and > aside from regular lubrication, no maintenance was required whatsoever. Not > so with the O and G gauge trains. > > Roy Inman, still basking in the glow of a terrific holiday season spent > running trains in America's second largest rail terminal !!! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46555	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts

Mike and All, 5 x 9 is still available, but you have to special order it at a hardware or lumber yard and it can cost over a 100. I wanted to use 2 5 x 9 on the layout, but ended up with 4 x 8 and having a 4 x 8 piece cut to specific pieces to fit my needs. It worked. Mike Marmer who was just kicked off a train list from a different group, I learned today. ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts Roger & All, I just did a Google search for 5x9 plywood. It is still being made & also 5x10. Mike in Ore PS: Sometimes I forget it's there too **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46556	From: roy inman	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Takin down the Trains, Jan 2, 2008-USKC

We will be dismantling this coming week. It is supposed to be down by Thursday evening. I know Ted would appreciate any help. There is also some news of yet another S layout to be built at the station. Roy From: clifma19@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:29:44 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: roy inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Takin down the Trains, Jan 2, 2008-USKC Roy, What is the schedule for the take down? I have something every day until next week so this weekend is out. Cliff Manning ---- roy inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > wrote: > Just a note to train folks in all scales: We are beginning the take-down of > our 54'x64' Holiday Village layout at Union Station Kansas City and it was > the most successful year of the three since its inception. Station officials > estimate that from the time of its setup in September to January, more than > 150,000 visitors viewed the layout. > > And I must mention that the S phase of the big layout was absolutely the > most reliable of the three scales represented, the other two being O and G. > > We ran S-Helper Service trains virtually continuously, 8~10 hours a day and > aside from regular lubrication, no maintenance was required whatsoever. Not > so with the O and G gauge trains. > > Roy Inman, still basking in the glow of a terrific holiday season spent > running trains in America's second largest rail terminal !!! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46557	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: 1936 TRAIN CARTOON

Good stuff!! Rick. > 1936 Train cartoon > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUgyWhKlH78 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46558	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: 1936 train cartoon

Very impressive cartoon. Considering the nice details (such as they are), and all the trains depicted, the folks who did this one HAD to be train buffs. And, of course, 1936 was the heyday of streamlining, as the cartoon certainly shows! Of course, I could be over reacting because everyone knew what a train looked like in those days, they were surrounded by them, unlike today. Thanks for the heads up, this cartoon is neat! Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46559	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: 1936 cartoon

- GreetingS - Glenn gets a big thank you from me. I would not have found that cartoon if left to my own devices. Being a cartoon, caricature prevails and the emphasis is on the distinctive elements. Agreed, the truck which was so carefully examined by the little boy was done very well. To see models as some may have seen in the 1930's, take a look at Model Railroader in those years. The 1/4" scale, Q gauge layout of Minton Cronkhite always comes to mind. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46560	From: briggsmodels	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: New Briggs Models Website

Hello there everyone; I have recently decided to step up my efforts to produce products under my own label, and to that end, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Jeff Briggs, and my company is Briggs Models. I have been working in the model railroading industry for 15 years, as a professional pattern maker, resin kit manufacturer, product engineer, and consultant. In 2007, I was part of an effort called BS Model Co, whose goal was to produce high quality resin kits for On30 models. I own the pattern work for this product line, and I am now marketing this product line on my own, under my label, because I wasn't realizing the sales volumes that I knew were possible while in that partnership. I have a vision to sell these, and future models, world wide. With my experience in the industry, coupled with my motivation and knowledge of engineering and model railroading, I have the ability to make it a reality. I have always been fascinated by narrow gauge and small prototype, industrial type models. The On30 models that I have designed and brought to production reflect this. There are no prototypes for my On30 models, but I feel I have captured the essence of industrial and narrow gauge railroading with the designs that I have created. I have not been able to get hold of several of my customers that I have pre-orders for my S Scale speeder project. I have recently sent a round of updates to my customers, but if I was unable to contact you, could you please send me an email at: briggsmodels@... so that I can confirm delivery? A few of my customers I do not have an email address for at all, and these customers will be notified via snail mail once the model is ready to ship. Please take a look at my website, and browse around. The site is located at briggsmodels.com. I have also posted my website as a link in the link folder section for the group. The site is new, and I intend to make changes and upgrades to it as time allows. Specific improvements that I have planned are PayPal and other quick links, more difinitive graphics, and more photos of products. Of course, more products are planned for 2008! If you have any questions or suggestions for products, please feel free to send me an email. Thank you for taking the time to visit the site. Happy New Year and happy model railroading to all of you! Jeff Briggs, Owner Briggs Models www.briggsmodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46561	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/6/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 46562	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: New Briggs Models Website

Hi again Jeff: Thanks for the update. I'm really excited to see the Speeder project moving ahead. I knew you wouldn't let us down, it was just a matter of having some patience. I'm looking forward to getting the notice that mine is ready for delivery. Having Paypal is a great idea. That is the way I like to pay. Len Hall --- briggsmodels <briggsmodels@...> wrote: > Hello there everyone; > > I have recently decided to step up my efforts to produce products > under my own label, and to that end, I would like to introduce myself. > My name is Jeff Briggs, and my company is Briggs Models. I have been > working in the model railroading industry for 15 years, as a > professional pattern maker, resin kit manufacturer, product engineer, > and consultant. > > In 2007, I was part of an effort called BS Model Co, whose goal was to > produce high quality resin kits for On30 models. I own the pattern > work for this product line, and I am now marketing this product line > on my own, under my label, because I wasn't realizing the sales > volumes that I knew were possible while in that partnership. I have a > vision to sell these, and future models, world wide. With my > experience in the industry, coupled with my motivation and knowledge > of engineering and model railroading, I have the ability to make it a > reality. > > I have always been fascinated by narrow gauge and small prototype, > industrial type models. The On30 models that I have designed and > brought to production reflect this. There are no prototypes for my > On30 models, but I feel I have captured the essence of industrial and > narrow gauge railroading with the designs that I have created. > > I have not been able to get hold of several of my customers that I > have pre-orders for my S Scale speeder project. I have recently sent a > round of updates to my customers, but if I was unable to contact you, > could you please send me an email at: briggsmodels@... so that I > can confirm delivery? A few of my customers I do not have an email > address for at all, and these customers will be notified via snail > mail once the model is ready to ship. > > Please take a look at my website, and browse around. The site is > located at briggsmodels.com. I have also posted my website as a link > in the link folder section for the group. The site is new, and I > intend to make changes and upgrades to it as time allows. Specific > improvements that I have planned are PayPal and other quick links, > more difinitive graphics, and more photos of products. > > Of course, more products are planned for 2008! > > If you have any questions or suggestions for products, please feel > free to send me an email. Thank you for taking the time to visit the > site. Happy New Year and happy model railroading to all of you! > > Jeff Briggs, Owner > Briggs Models > www.briggsmodels.com > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46563	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: UP Heavywieght Wiring problem

I ran into an unusual problem this afternoon while running my newer- version Flyonel UP heavyweight passenger cars with the grey Northern. One of the cars would not light up, so I thought it was probably just a burned-out bulb, even though it could not have very many hours of "lit" time. I took the bulb out and tested it, and it was fine. I then took the shell off to inspect the wiring. What I found was unlike anything I've ever see before. Both the power wire and the ground wire were completely disintegrated from some kind of corrosion. The insulation was swollen and ruptured and the wires , sometimes in short little pieces, were brittle greenish slivers. All four wires were mush - there was no complete connection from either truck. I looked at the other five cars and there is no indication of a problem with them. I can replace the wires easily, so the fix won't be a big deal, but I will take it down to my Lionel dealer tomorrow to show him in case he has others reporting a similar problem. I don't know what could have caused this. The car is in a dry basement and has never gotten wet ( since I've owned it). Funny how only the wires were corroded though, and not the socket or axles. I just get a sneaking suspicion the culprit lurks across the Pacific with a roll of inferior wire. Anyone else with this set run into this problem? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46564	From: conehammer	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Where /how to stay current on Lionel Flyer releases

Is the Lionel site itself the best way to keep up with the new American Flyer releases? I periodically see items pop up on ebay that I know nothing about. I've been to Lionel's site of course but for some reason it seems a cumbersome site to navigate, at least to me it does. Also and I don't know if this is appropriate here but as there are no retailers near me that sell American Flyer ( I still get funny, dismayed expressions when I ask about S gauge at the one local train speacialty shop even though they do sell Lionel). Is there a preferred mail order or internet seller that is good to deal with and has good prices for new Flyer items and even Flyer compatible items? Thanks. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46565	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: UP Heavyweight wiring problem

Jim...I ran into this same problem way back in 1973 when working on a 1968 Ford Mustang. The wire was corroded from inside the insulation, and had turned into a greenish powder! It turned out that Ford had purchased bad wire and many of the early '68 cars had the problem. We were told the wire manufacturer had left freshly wound wire outside before insulatiing it...and yes it was made in the orient. Stumpy Stone...car guy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46566	From: roy inman	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Where /how to stay current on Lionel Flyer releases

HI Jerry; I keep up with LAF (Lionel American Flyer, or, Flyonel) by watching this list, and by watching the current Lionel catalog. It is pretty easy to get on the catalog mailing list by buying something from a dealer. I will be happy to suggest a list of internet dealers if you contact me offline. Roy Inman From: conehammer <conehammer@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:09:12 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Where /how to stay current on Lionel Flyer releases Is the Lionel site itself the best way to keep up with the new American Flyer releases? I periodically see items pop up on ebay that I know nothing about. I've been to Lionel's site of course but for some reason it seems a cumbersome site to navigate, at least to me it does. Also and I don't know if this is appropriate here but as there are no retailers near me that sell American Flyer ( I still get funny, dismayed expressions when I ask about S gauge at the one local train speacialty shop even though they do sell Lionel). Is there a preferred mail order or internet seller that is good to deal with and has good prices for new Flyer items and even Flyer compatible items? Thanks. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46567	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Weight for PRS car

I add one 2 oz. Pinecar bar weight to the floor, and use S-Helper trucks. Center the weight on the floor and either glue it in place or drill and tap 2 holes (2x56) in the floor and bolt into place. My PRS bc's roll and work great. http://www.a2zhobbies.com/PineCar/Weights/PIN-P353.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46568	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Weight for PRS car

GOOD idea! Those weights can also be boken into smaller sizes... Have fun! Bill Winans ----- Original Message ----- From: sgaugian To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Weight for PRS car I add one 2 oz. Pinecar bar weight to the floor, and use S-Helper trucks. Center the weight on the floor and either glue it in place or drill and tap 2 holes (2x56) in the floor and bolt into place. My PRS bc's roll and work great. http://www.a2zhobbies.com/PineCar/Weights/PIN-P353.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46569	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Putt Trains lives!

After hearing rumors and knowing he wasn't at York and the website was gone, I have been trying to get in touch with Terry for over a week. I got an e-mail today, Terry and Louise are well. The specialty machine shop contract is finally completed, and he is now trying to restock castings and various items. When this is done, he will be back online with a new web host provider as well. I thought some of the S folks who know Terry would like to know. Stumpy Stone...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46570	From: bkweidner	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Putt Trains lives!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > After hearing rumors and knowing he wasn't at York and the website > was gone, I have been trying to get in touch with Terry for over a > week. I got an e-mail today, Terry and Louise are well. > The specialty machine shop contract is finally completed, and he is > now trying to restock castings and various items. When this is done, > he will be back online with a new web host provider as well. > I thought some of the S folks who know Terry would like to know. > Stumpy Stone...in Appalachia. > Thanks for the update stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46571	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: On30 ?? Sn42

Many of us S gaugers, finding that On30 models work excellent with S gage, which is On42 ( 7/8" gauge ) American Flyer Frontiersman set is really a 0n42. Making any thing compatible with S gage will fill a notch. No body is getting rich building S gauge, but it will sell to a number of model railroaders. I have junked the Bachman engine and re gauged the trucks on a set of C & S passenger cars. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46572	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Weight for PRS car

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scale S Only" <scalesonly@...> wrote: > Depending on the number of cars you are building you might consider buying a box of self adhesive wheel weights at an auto parts store. They are divided into 1/4 ounce segments and in bulk are cheaper than pine car weights...share a box with a friend. Bob Hendrickson > GOOD idea! Those weights can also be boken into smaller sizes... > > Have fun! > Bill Winans > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sgaugian > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:15 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Weight for PRS car > > > I add one 2 oz. Pinecar bar weight to the floor, and use S-Helper > trucks. Center the weight on the floor and either glue it in place or > drill and tap 2 holes (2x56) in the floor and bolt into place. My PRS > bc's roll and work great. > > http://www.a2zhobbies.com/PineCar/Weights/PIN-P353.html >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46573	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Where /how to stay current on Lionel Flyer releases

Charles Ro Supply in Ma. is my primary source for new issue "Flyonel". Pete Henningsen, Milford, Ct. ----- Original Message ----- From: conehammer Date: Monday, January 7, 2008 8:21 am Subject: [S-Trains] Where /how to stay current on Lionel Flyer releases To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Is the Lionel site itself the best way to keep up with the new > American Flyer releases? I periodically see items pop up on ebay > that I know nothing about. I've been to Lionel's site of course > but for > some reason it seems a cumbersome site to navigate, at least to > me it > does. > > Also and I don't know if this is appropriate here but as there > are no > retailers near me that sell American Flyer ( I still get funny, > dismayed expressions when I ask about S gauge at the one local > train > speacialty shop even though they do sell Lionel). Is there a > preferred > mail order or internet seller that is good to deal with and has > good > prices for new Flyer items and even Flyer compatible items? > > Thanks. > Jerry > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46574	From: conehammer	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Where /how to stay current on Lionel Flyer releases

Thanks Pete and all you other guys that answered my message. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, amerflyerwanted@... wrote: > > Charles Ro Supply in Ma. is my primary source for new issue "Flyonel". > Pete Henningsen, Milford, Ct. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: conehammer > Date: Monday, January 7, 2008 8:21 am > Subject: [S-Trains] Where /how to stay current on Lionel Flyer releases > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > Is the Lionel site itself the best way to keep up with the new > > American Flyer releases? I periodically see items pop up on ebay > > that I know nothing about. I've been to Lionel's site of course > > but for > > some reason it seems a cumbersome site to navigate, at least to > > me it > > does. > > > > Also and I don't know if this is appropriate here but as there > > are no > > retailers near me that sell American Flyer ( I still get funny, > > dismayed expressions when I ask about S gauge at the one local > > train > > speacialty shop even though they do sell Lionel). Is there a > > preferred > > mail order or internet seller that is good to deal with and has > > good > > prices for new Flyer items and even Flyer compatible items? > > > > Thanks. > > Jerry > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46575	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: American Flyer repairs

Hello List members, Please let me know if you are offering Flyer repair services. Please let me know if you have a favorite Flyer repair service. Thanks, -- Paul Yorke 772-597-3788 / 285-4817 Skype paulwyorke http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulwyorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46576	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

Dear Paul, For my AF repairs I send them to Doug Peck. Don Paul Yorke wrote: > Please let me know if you have a favorite Flyer repair service. > > > Change settings via the Web > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbGgzMzhjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMTk5NzkyMzYz> > (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest > <mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest> > | Switch format to Traditional > <mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional> > > Visit Your Group > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJiajRmOGtnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTc5MjM2Mw--> > | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> | > Unsubscribe <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=> > Recent Activity > > * > 6 > New Members > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdHU5NnBiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTk5NzkyMzYz> > * > 3 > New Photos > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkOTkxazA5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMTk5NzkyMzYz> > * > 1 > New Links > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJlOTdtbDhhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bGlua3MEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTc5MjM2Mw--> > > Visit Your Group > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZWs0cjA3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzExOTk3OTIzNjM-> > > Yahoo! Finance > > It's Now Personal > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12jhft1g7/M=493064.12016257.12445664.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1199799563/A=4507179/R=0/SIG=12de4rskk/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=50284/*http://finance.yahoo.com/personal-finance> > > Guides, news, > > advice & more. > > Biz Resources > > Y! Small Business > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12j7lf8cb/M=493064.12016255.12445662.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1199799563/A=4025321/R=0/SIG=12a352npd/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44092/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index> > > Articles, tools, > > forms, and more. > > Yahoo! Groups HD > > The official Samsung > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12j6t3vvn/M=493064.12016258.12445665.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1199799563/A=4706130/R=0/SIG=11f8fj6tf/*http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/samsunghd/> > > Y! Group for HDTVs > > and devices. > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46577	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Fw: [deerfieldriver] S scale kits and pricing

"S" Friends, Deerfield River Laser is now offering some of their tug and barge kits in 1:64 - hopefully more to follow. Checkout Ed's website at: http://www.deerfieldriverlaser.com/index.html Enjoy! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Fillion To: deerfieldriver@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: [deerfieldriver] S scale kits and pricing Hi Group, Here is the introductory pricing on the S scale tug boat, rail barge and flat top barge. part number description price DRL S-701 Tug Boat $ 48.00 DRL S-702 53 ft Rail Barge Sn42 $ 32.00 DRL S-703 53 ft Flat Top Barge $ 22.00 We are still waiting on the resin hulls to complete the tug kits, so they will be ready maybe by the end of the month. The barges are ready now. We are working on an S scale engine house like our O scale Porter Engine House kit DRL O-201. The rail barge is designed to hold one log car and is inspired by some southern logging operations. And thanks to Don Munsey for his encouragement, suggestions and requesting the S scale models. Ed Fillion, Deerfield River Laser [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46578	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

Paul: George LeBlanc on Staten Island, N. Y. repairs. Bill Greaves

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46579	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

Yep. we do. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 01/08/2008 4:39:41 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, s_trains@... writes: Hello List members, Please let me know if you are offering Flyer repair services. Please let me know if you have a favorite Flyer repair service. Thanks, -- Paul Yorke 772-597-3788 / 285-4817 Skype paulwyorke _http://www.linkedinhttp://www.linkeht_ (http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulwyorke) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46580	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

Yes Paul, I do offer American Flyer S-Guage repair services. Daryl Olszeski Howell, Michigan Contact E-Mail: AFRepair@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Yorke To: slist Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer repairs Hello List members, Please let me know if you are offering Flyer repair services. Please let me know if you have a favorite Flyer repair service. Thanks, -- Paul Yorke 772-597-3788 / 285-4817 Skype paulwyorke http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulwyorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46581	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts

I checked with Georgia Pacific, Weyerhauser, and specialty supplier Diamond Hill Plywood. None of them had it. They said probably only a small, specialty manufacture would make it any longer. They did have available 5X10 in MDF (medium density board used for signs, and very expensive), and OSB (oriented strand board) which would be less expensive. I forgot to ask what thickness it came in. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Mike and All, > > 5 x 9 is still available, but you have to special order it at a hardware or lumber yard and it can cost over a 100. > > I wanted to use 2 5 x 9 on the layout, but ended up with 4 x 8 and having a 4 x 8 piece cut to specific pieces to fit my needs. It worked. > > Mike Marmer who was just kicked off a train list from a different group, I learned today. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: anormal1@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts > > > Roger & All, > I just did a Google search for 5x9 plywood. It is still > being made & also 5x10. Mike in Ore > PS: Sometimes I forget it's there too > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46582	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

Paul..... what seems to be the problem ?..... I used to just repair mine as I needed to..... Even BARB does most all of her repairs herself... Lots of old Atlantic parts are interchangeable with other engines..... Junk on.... I have boxes of parts..... even ran across a bouch of NEW FLYER replacement wicks.... Never used.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...>: -------------- Hello List members, Please let me know if you are offering Flyer repair services. Please let me know if you have a favorite Flyer repair service. Thanks, -- Paul Yorke 772-597-3788 / 285-4817 Skype paulwyorke http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulwyorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46583	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts

Why not build a 5' x 9' grid out of 1x3s or 1x4s and cut up 4x8 sheets or a combination of 4x8 and some smaller ready-cut pieces to fill in. With a grid and screwing the plywood to it, you can be flexible and leave gap for a river or a pond. I would recommend a minimum of 1/2" thickness on the plywood. Some folks use a laminate of plywood and Homasote on a grid. Others might use 1/4" Luan plus 1" to 2" thick construction foam on top. I built a 1/2" plywood train table on a grid for my son when he was younger. It was perfect because you could hide the wiring under the grid - a few holes cut in the cross braces. I put it on the floor for my son to play with - never did put legs on it, but you could easily. Jeff _____________________________ > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: waynebeachy113@... > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:01:46 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts > > > I checked with Georgia Pacific, Weyerhauser, and specialty supplier > Diamond Hill Plywood. None of them had it. They said probably only > a small, specialty manufacture would make it any longer. They did > have available 5X10 in MDF (medium density board used for signs, and > very expensive), and OSB (oriented strand board) which would be less > expensive. I forgot to ask what thickness it came in. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" > wrote: >> >> Mike and All, >> >> 5 x 9 is still available, but you have to special order it at a > hardware or lumber yard and it can cost over a 100. >> >> I wanted to use 2 5 x 9 on the layout, but ended up with 4 x 8 and > having a 4 x 8 piece cut to specific pieces to fit my needs. It > worked. >> >> Mike Marmer who was just kicked off a train list from a different > group, I learned today. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: anormal1@... >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts >> >> >> Roger & All, >> I just did a Google search for 5x9 plywood. It is still >> being made & also 5x10. Mike in Ore >> PS: Sometimes I forget it's there too >> >> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. >> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? > NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46584	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

Yes, I do train repairs on "S" & "O" ga. Am. Flyer. Harwood Owings Trains, Toys & Treasures Highland, MD **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46585	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

Paul - If it's a simple repair and I can get the parts, I repair it myself. I usually order from Portlines. For other AF repairs on the newer stuff and for my son's Lionel items, we go down to our local train shop, Hank's Model Trains, here in Louisville, Colorado. Hank is very knowledgeable amd a great guy to do business with. Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> Hello List members, Please let me know if you are offering Flyer repair services. Please let me know if you have a favorite Flyer repair service. Thanks, -- Paul Yorke 772-597-3788 / 285-4817 Skype paulwyorke http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulwyorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46586	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

From Larry Moore in Western North Carolina: I do all my own repairs on diesel and steam. Buying all my parts as needed from Doug at Portlines. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: WEG138@...: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:25:15 -0500Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer repairs Paul:George LeBlanc on Staten Island, N. Y. repairs.Bill Greaves _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46587	From: innotron	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

Why is " Even Barb" used like she has some kind of disability to overcome. I was fortunate enough to see her layout before the move and it was at least 4 times the size of mine, utilized 3 scales for perspective and had an operational turntable and trolley to boot. Many of us modeling in S would like to attain the level of competency she has already achieved. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: rcon7@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; slist Cc: Paul Yorke Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer repairs Paul..... what seems to be the problem ?..... I used to just repair mine as I needed to..... Even BARB does most all of her repairs herself... Lots of old Atlantic parts are interchangeable with other engines..... Junk on.... I have boxes of parts..... even ran across a bouch of NEW FLYER replacement wicks.... Never used.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...>: -------------- Hello List members, Please let me know if you are offering Flyer repair services. Please let me know if you have a favorite Flyer repair service. Thanks, -- Paul Yorke 772-597-3788 / 285-4817 Skype paulwyorke http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulwyorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46588	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts

That is pretty much what I did, when I built my 12'6" x 8'9" table. The cost factor of the 5 x 9 special order, that by the time, I got the 4 pieces of 4 x 8's, it still came out alot less expensive that special ordering the 5 x 9's. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Madden To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts Why not build a 5' x 9' grid out of 1x3s or 1x4s and cut up 4x8 sheets or a combination of 4x8 and some smaller ready-cut pieces to fill in. With a grid and screwing the plywood to it, you can be flexible and leave gap for a river or a pond. I would recommend a minimum of 1/2" thickness on the plywood. Some folks use a laminate of plywood and Homasote on a grid. Others might use 1/4" Luan plus 1" to 2" thick construction foam on top. I built a 1/2" plywood train table on a grid for my son when he was younger. It was perfect because you could hide the wiring under the grid - a few holes cut in the cross braces. I put it on the floor for my son to play with - never did put legs on it, but you could easily. Jeff _____________________________ > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: waynebeachy113@... > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:01:46 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts > > > I checked with Georgia Pacific, Weyerhauser, and specialty supplier > Diamond Hill Plywood. None of them had it. They said probably only > a small, specialty manufacture would make it any longer. They did > have available 5X10 in MDF (medium density board used for signs, and > very expensive), and OSB (oriented strand board) which would be less > expensive. I forgot to ask what thickness it came in. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" > wrote: >> >> Mike and All, >> >> 5 x 9 is still available, but you have to special order it at a > hardware or lumber yard and it can cost over a 100. >> >> I wanted to use 2 5 x 9 on the layout, but ended up with 4 x 8 and > having a 4 x 8 piece cut to specific pieces to fit my needs. It > worked. >> >> Mike Marmer who was just kicked off a train list from a different > group, I learned today. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: anormal1@... >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 5' by 9' AF Layouts >> >> >> Roger & All, >> I just did a Google search for 5x9 plywood. It is still >> being made & also 5x10. Mike in Ore >> PS: Sometimes I forget it's there too >> >> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. >> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? > NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > __________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46589	From: Rosie	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

George has a good reputation and a fast turn-around time................ ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:41 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] American Flyer repairs From Larry Moore in Western North Carolina: I do all my own repairs on diesel and steam. Buying all my parts as needed from Doug at Portlines. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: WEG138@...: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:25:15 -0500Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer repairs Paul:George LeBlanc on Staten Island, N. Y. repairs.Bill Greaves __________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46590	From: David Haslauer	Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

This is David now in New Orleans, I do my own repairs. I get my parts from Fred Jester in PA. GO Tigers(LSU) ------------ -- Hello List members, Please let me know if you are offering Flyer repair services. Please let me know if you have a favorite Flyer repair service. Thanks, -- Paul Yorke 772-597-3788 / 285-4817 Skype paulwyorke http://www.linkedin .com/in/paulwyor ke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] <!-- #ygrp-mkp{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} #ygrp-mkp hr{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrp-mkp #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ygrp-mkp #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-mkp .ad{ padding:0 0;} #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ font-family:Arial;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:uppercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-right:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o{font-size:0;} .MsoNormal{ margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq{margin:4;} --> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46592	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: American Flyer Repairs

I do my own repairs, complete rebuilds, and custom work. For me, that's my fun. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46593	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: SHS blatant promotion

The 2008 catalogs arrived from China on New Years Eve. If you have ordered from us in 2007,we will send out a catalog. Catalogs can be downloaded or ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Catalogs/catalogs.html Bill Clark posted the following S Scale America new arrivals on our website for those who would like to see what the new containers and Evans boxcars artwork looks like: 48 ft and 53 ft S Scale America containers: http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_containers_in_stock.html 52 ft Evans Boxcars: http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/SSA_EvansBoxcar.html New 10,000 gal. Tank cars: http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_tank_cars_in_stock.html The Victoria Bridge will leave Hong Kong on the 7th with the single trailers, bulk Flex track (which has been out of stock), and our golden white LEDs tender lights. We should see these in 4 weeks. The next shipment will be the next run of switches. These should in the next early next. The trailers can be seen at: http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_Gunderson_in_stock.html Samples - The new steam era two bay covered hopper assembled sample arrived yesterday for review. I think we may see the completed models later this spring. Don www.showcaseline.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46595	From: Grant	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

Paul There is a gentlemen by the name of Rick Carlsen that I came across in the San Francisco Bay Area that I take my trains to. He does a great job and is fast and reasonable and only does flyer. Since he really doesn't advertise or seem to be on any forum I will post his email here if you would like to contact him. I hope that's ok; if not contact me. Thanks Grant rcarlsen at aenet dot com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> wrote: > > Hello List members, > > Please let me know if you are offering Flyer repair services. > > Please let me know if you have a favorite Flyer repair service. > > Thanks, > -- > Paul Yorke > 772-597-3788 / 285-4817 > Skype paulwyorke > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulwyorke > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46596	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: AF Cardboard Fiber Roadbed ?

Item number 120205937715 on Ebay is described as fiber (cardboard) roadbed. I was not aware that AF produced any roadbed other than rubber. In the photo, the roadbed looks just like the narrow tie rubber roadbed. Did AF make cardboard roadbed? - Earl Henry, Nashville **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46597	From: Phil K	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Regarding AFMoose

Apparently, the person who was using this name is Jay Walsh, who was permanently banned from this group several years ago. If you have a need to know why, do a search. Apparently, he snuck in under the radar last Saturday and rejoined using another of his fake names. I have also removed his posts. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46598	From: barb	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Regarding AFMoose

Phil, Good G2 work. Thanks for helping to maintain the high quality of posts on S_Trains. Barb -----Original Message----- >From: Phil K <waldootten@...> >Sent: Jan 9, 2008 1:24 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Regarding AFMoose > >Apparently, the person who was using this name is Jay Walsh, who was >permanently banned from this group several years ago. If you have a >need to know why, do a search. > >Apparently, he snuck in under the radar last Saturday and rejoined >using another of his fake names. I have also removed his posts. > >Phil K >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46599	From: Robert Hannon	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: American Flyer repairs

Paul: Here's my info: Rewinding of Armatures, Fields & Other Coils: Yes. General Maintenance & Repairs: Yes. But I try to direct the caller to someone in their area, or a trusted source for these services. So far, I've only gotten customer feedback on Doug Peck/Portlines Hobbies and it's all been AAAAA+++++. Bob Hannon 11513 Crows Nest Rd. Clarksville, MD 21029 410-531-3244 e-Mail: hannon@... Website: http://www.trainrefs.com <http://www.trainrefs.com/> Thanks for starting this. It has certainly added to my list of other people involved in this work. Bob Hannon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46600	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: AF Cardboard Fiber Roadbed ?

Earl, AF produced the fiber roadbed in the late 50s and early 60s. I can look it up tonight in my reference books and let you know the part numbers if you are interested. The material reminds me of the egg cartons they had back in those days. Similar to cardboard but solid and it definitely had some type of fiber in it. The roadbed in the eBay auction has been painted black. The unpainted color is a tan/brown again close to a cardboard shade of brown. I don't have any but maybe one of the group members does and can post some photos for us. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > Item number 120205937715 on Ebay is described as fiber (cardboard) roadbed. > I was not aware that AF produced any roadbed other than rubber. In the photo, > the roadbed looks just like the narrow tie rubber roadbed. Did AF make > cardboard roadbed? > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46601	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: AF Cardboard Fiber Roadbed ?

Thanks to BG1 for the information. I was surprised to find this was not rubber roadbed. Does the fiber roadbed have the same sound deadening qualities that the rubber roadbed has? - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:17:58 PM Central Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Earl, AF produced the fiber roadbed in the late 50s and early 60s. I can look it up tonight in my reference books and let you know the part numbers if you are interested. The material reminds me of the egg cartons they had back in those days. Similar to cardboard but solid and it definitely had some type of fiber in it. The roadbed in the eBay auction has been painted black. The unpainted color is a tan/brown again close to a cardboard shade of brown. I don't have any but maybe one of the group members does and can post some photos for us. BG1 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46602	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: AF Cardboard Fiber Roadbed ?

Earl, The straight fiber roadbed was number 26601 and was produced in 1959 through 1962. The curved fiber roadbed was number 26602 and was produced in 1959 and 1961-62. The books indicate the fiber roadbed is more common than the rubber roadbed but I see a lot of rubber roadbed and hardly any fiber roadbed so I'm not too sure about that rating. I've looked in several books and on-line but did not find any photos of the fiber roadbed. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > Thanks to BG1 for the information. I was surprised to find this was not > rubber roadbed. > > Does the fiber roadbed have the same sound deadening qualities that the > rubber roadbed has? > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:17:58 PM Central Standard Time, > bull_gator_1@... writes: > > Earl, > > AF produced the fiber roadbed in the late 50s and early 60s. I can > look it up tonight in my reference books and let you know the part > numbers if you are interested. The material reminds me of the egg > cartons they had back in those days. Similar to cardboard but solid > and it definitely had some type of fiber in it. The roadbed in the > eBay auction has been painted black. The unpainted color is a > tan/brown again close to a cardboard shade of brown. I don't have > any but maybe one of the group members does and can post some photos > for us. > > BG1 > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46603	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: AF Cardboard Fiber Roadbed ?

Hi, a friend of mine had some of this type of roadbed. It is as you say just like egge carton type paper. I have some of this type of roadbed, but will not use it for this reason. The rubber type of roadbed worked better in keeping the sound down. Clayton S.D. --- tennsgauge@... wrote: > > Thanks to BG1 for the information. I was surprised > to find this was not > rubber roadbed. > > Does the fiber roadbed have the same sound deadening > qualities that the > rubber roadbed has? > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:17:58 PM Central > Standard Time, > bull_gator_1@... writes: > > Earl, > > AF produced the fiber roadbed in the late 50s and > early 60s. I can > look it up tonight in my reference books and let you > know the part > numbers if you are interested. The material reminds > me of the egg > cartons they had back in those days. Similar to > cardboard but solid > and it definitely had some type of fiber in it. The > roadbed in the > eBay auction has been painted black. The unpainted > color is a > tan/brown again close to a cardboard shade of brown. > I don't have > any but maybe one of the group members does and can > post some photos > for us. > > BG1 > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways > to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46604	From: bw_hansen	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Layout wiring problem

I've built my layout with basically three sidings that loop around the room to a single track bridge that crosses the doorway. I have a train on every siding for test purposes. I have one transformer that is tied directly to the outer track and one that is tied to the inner track. But when I move the switches (standard AF switches set to multi-train) to run a train around the inner loop all the trains move. The same thing seems to be happening regardless of which way I set the switches. What am I doing wrong? Thanks Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46605	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Silhouettes

Does anyone know where you can purchase silhouette inserts for American Models 80' Streamline Passenger Cars. Thanks, Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46606	From: John	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: AF Parts

To all those who replied they have AF parts: Do you have any parts to repair the AF maintenance car? I am looking for the large gear that goes on the drive axel. Looking for power trucks for the baldwin diesels, I don't need the motor? If so how much?? And I need the top piece for a GULF tank car, where you would normally fill the tank. Thanks John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46607	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Ebay S Item of Note

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140194603980 At least us S Gaugers are creative when selling things. LOL Haunted? Sounds like a sales pitch! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46608	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Layout wiring and Silhouettes

Bruce, this is just a guess, and perhaps I misunderstood what's happening, since I can't see your railroad or how it's wired. However, I'd say that you probably need to electrically isolate the track powered by one transformer from the track powered by the other transformer. You need to put fibre pins in the rails between the switches which connect these two tracks. Another way to do this is to remove the metal pins and place the tracks close enough that the trains wouldn't derail, but the rails can't touch. You have to isolate the tracks where you want to run separate trains. Lou, the first place to try is American Models for the window parts. I have gotten a few things from them before and they are usually happy to send you stuff if they have it in stock. As a back up plan, you might try ordering repro old American Flyer silhouettes and fit them into you r cra. Another alternative is to get some thin clear plastic and lightly sand what will be the "inside" to "frost" it so you can't see into the lighted car. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46609	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Layout wiring problem

Hi Bruce, Perhaps I'm not clear on your track plan. And Stumpy may have already nailed the problem. Another thought is that placement of the feeds needs to be considered. This may be negating the operation of the 2 train switches. -Clay --- bw_hansen <bwhanse1@...> wrote: > I've built my layout with basically three sidings > that loop around the > room to a single track bridge that crosses the > doorway. I have a train > on every siding for test purposes. I have one > transformer that is tied > directly to the outer track and one that is tied to > the inner track. > But when I move the switches (standard AF switches > set to multi-train) > to run a train around the inner loop all the trains > move. The same > thing seems to be happening regardless of which way > I set the switches. > What am I doing wrong? Thanks > > Bruce > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46610	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

Hello Girls and Boys! Dave's Twacks & Twains offers train repairs of all kinds, although we specialize in Gilbert. In addition , we offer a stamping service. Charlie & Clay Buckage --- Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> wrote: > Hello List members, > > Please let me know if you are offering Flyer repair > services. > > Please let me know if you have a favorite Flyer > repair service. > > Thanks, > -- > Paul Yorke > 772-597-3788 / 285-4817 > Skype paulwyorke > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulwyorke > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46611	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay item of note....OOoh, spooky!

Well, Mike, I'm with you on this one. One of my minor interests is the paranormal, and this story just doesn't cut it. First of all, if this guy was scared that the house was haunted by a train set, he would have done what 99% of the populace would have done...throw it in the river! Being that he wasn't quite scared enough to do that, he tried to give the haunted set to other folks. Wouldn't you like to have the haunting transfered to your house? Good friend. He says he kept getting it back. Why not donate it to a thrift store where the next person to get the set wouldn't be able to return it to him? However, now he's trying to sell the "haunted train" since he couldn't give it away. He's decided to try to make a buck off his "misfortune" so why doesn't he charge folks to tour his "haunted house" instead, like many other people have? And finally, does the slight mistakes in his language usage ring a bell? Has he retired from running the "I'm a Nigerian Diplomat who will give you a million bucks to help me move my money, all you have to do is send me $10,000." scam? If his house is haunted, giving away the train set isn't likely to end that. Interesting pitch though... Stumpy Stone...science fiction writer in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46612	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay item of note....OOoh, spooky!

The seller had better hope the money with which he is paid is not haunted by something worse. Reply from Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46613	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay item of note....OOoh, spooky!

Not that I believe for a second that this fellow is trying to sell a haunted train set, I have experience-of the happy sort-with a train set that came with something extra. About 15 years ago, I got a 380,18,190 set from Bob Doyle. It needed some cleaning, but it was worth the work, it's now a solid "G" and a great runner-clearly this set had always been in the main house, not the attic or basement, and it had always been carefully put away. I like to run Std. with a vintage 150 watt trans and #80 rheostat. When I powered it up for the first time, I was rewarded with a very smooth, quiet runner. And I felt a presence in the room, like when you think someone's watching. This intensified a bit-til I felt a warmth on the back of my right hand-the hand that was working the 'stat. The feeling was joy, not fear. Joy from somewhere else in the room. At least 3 people have remarked on feeling something odd when this set was being run-they only heard my story AFTER their remark. I gave back to the lil spirit what I think it missed and wanted-two more 18s , and this year, a 19 combo. And when I put this long consist together, I swear that someone, somewhere, is smiling.- John Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46614	From: monte_heppe	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: American Flyer truck & cuopler specs

Does anyone know of a source or have Gilbert factory specifications for American Flyer truck and wheel specifications such as back to back wheel spacing, couper height, etc? The only thing I have found is from Greenberg's American Flyer Track Plans and Operating Instructions by Jeff Faust. It gives a height of 1/32" above the railhead for the weight on knuckle couplers or the lowest portion of a link coupler. From measuring a number of trucks I have found and average back to back wheel spacing of .687" or about 11/16". Monte Heppe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46615	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Layout wiring problem

- GreetingS - Bruce Hansen has posed with great clarity a layout wiring problem which has vexed many a pike builder. Consider his layout with three long passing sidings. Let the outside siding be the main loop. The other sidings branch off from this one toward the inside. And, let the outer rail of the main loop be the base rail. Then the inner rail of the main loop will go to the variable voltage post on the transformer. Since the inner rail is unbroken at the turnouts, the variable voltage also goes to the inner rail of the inside siding. Conjecture #1. The two transformers have the base posts tied together. Then on the inside loop the outer rail (base) is connected to the outer rail of the main (outside) loop and the two inner rails are connected. Powering the main loop also powers the inside loop. Conjecture #2. One or more turnouts do not have the operation selector (switch) set for "2 train control". This would tie two and maybe all three sidings together electrically. Unfortunately I do not have a turnout here in the office to see the exact labeling of the selector. Bruce, if this does not help, maybe you can provide a diagram of the turnout arrangement for guidance. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46616	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer truck & cuopler specs

Dear Monte, If you can locate the actual A.C. Gilbert specs for back to back, etc. for AF wheels and wheelsets, every S gauge mfg. would be deeply in your debt. I have search hi and lo for 30 years and cannot find a mention or drawing. Don monte_heppe wrote: > Does anyone know of a source or have Gilbert factory specifications for > American Flyer truck and wheel specifications such as back to back > wheel spacing, couper height, etc? The only thing I have found is from > Greenberg's American Flyer Track Plans and Operating Instructions by > Jeff Faust. It gives a height of 1/32" above the railhead for the > weight on knuckle couplers or the lowest portion of a link coupler. > >From measuring a number of trucks I have found and average back to back > wheel spacing of .687" or about 11/16". > > Monte Heppe > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46617	From: bw_hansen	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Layout wiring problem

I'm back again...looking at the replies I think I know what the problem may be. I have five busses that go around the layout. One for lighting, one for accessories, one for each of the track xformers and one base post bus. I have the base post bus going to the inner rail and the 7-15 bus for each of the xformers going to the outer rail. Apparently that is "bass ackwards". Correct? I'll try out the solution tonight. Thanks. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46618	From: monte_heppe	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Truck and coupler Specs.

Don, thanks for the quick response. I suspected that was the case. I have a fairly extensive library and checked with a number of knowlegeable people and no one seem to know of a source. Let's see what other responses we get.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46619	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer truck & cuopler specs

Why everyone knows that Mr. Gilbert used the dime for his spacing as I have found out recently in making sure the spacing between the wheels is a dime. I think he used his lucky 1916-D lucky Mercury dime to do this. Just kidding about that, but I got 11/16th between the rails too. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer truck & cuopler specs Dear Monte, If you can locate the actual A.C. Gilbert specs for back to back, etc. for AF wheels and wheelsets, every S gauge mfg. would be deeply in your debt. I have search hi and lo for 30 years and cannot find a mention or drawing. Don monte_heppe wrote: > Does anyone know of a source or have Gilbert factory specifications for > American Flyer truck and wheel specifications such as back to back > wheel spacing, couper height, etc? The only thing I have found is from > Greenberg's American Flyer Track Plans and Operating Instructions by > Jeff Faust. It gives a height of 1/32" above the railhead for the > weight on knuckle couplers or the lowest portion of a link coupler. > >From measuring a number of trucks I have found and average back to back > wheel spacing of .687" or about 11/16". > > Monte Heppe > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46620	From: Alan Evans	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Silhouettes

Hello Lou, AM never made silhouette inserts for the 80' streamline passenger cars. - Alan Evans o AM dealer in Gahanna, OH o _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lou342ac Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Silhouettes Does anyone know where you can purchase silhouette inserts for American Models 80' Streamline Passenger Cars. Thanks, Lou Baldi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46621	From: John Keating	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Detail Parts for the Corvette Auto

Looking for a source of original or repro detail parts for the AF Corvette auto; specifically mirrors. Anyone with info please contact me off-list. Thank you in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46622	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

I destroy them and Doug Peck fixes them for me. No trains where haunted however in this process. That is good business, I say. But I am learning. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: Clay Buckage To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer repairs Hello Girls and Boys! Dave's Twacks & Twains offers train repairs of all kinds, although we specialize in Gilbert. In addition , we offer a stamping service. Charlie & Clay Buckage --- Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> wrote: > Hello List members, > > Please let me know if you are offering Flyer repair > services. > > Please let me know if you have a favorite Flyer > repair service. > > Thanks, > -- > Paul Yorke > 772-597-3788 / 285-4817 > Skype paulwyorke > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulwyorke > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46623	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Fw: Get 2 Dollars Off At Isaac's, Vote For Filbert

Isaac's Restaurant & Deli E-mail ClubI go to Lancaster so often, for train things, York twice a year and in December, I signed up for Issac's food program. There is one in the shopping center for the Strasburg RR shop and there food is far superior to the Red Caboose, as I know some of you have eaten there. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46624	From: Stan	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Detail Parts for the Corvette Auto

Hi John you might want to try hobby surplus in New Britain Ct phone # 1-800-233-0872 and the site is www.trainrepairparts.com hope this helps thanks stan ----- Original Message ----- From: John Keating To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Detail Parts for the Corvette Auto Looking for a source of original or repro detail parts for the AF Corvette auto; specifically mirrors. Anyone with info please contact me off-list. Thank you in advance. John Keating [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46625	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Reverse Unit Wanted

I'd like to buy an S Gauge American Flyer reverse unit for use in the tender. With or without 4 prong plug attached. Thanks, Bill Lyon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46626	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Layout wiring problem

I believe your problem comes from placing a transformer inside the turnout controlled power zone. You are feeding the siding with it's transformer power and turnout switched power at the same time. The slide switches on the turnouts determine whether a siding gets track power from the turnout or from the powered track leading into the points.. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhett George Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Layout wiring problem - GreetingS - Bruce Hansen has posed with great clarity a layout wiring problem which has vexed many a pike builder. Consider his layout with three long passing sidings. Let the outside siding be the main loop. The other sidings branch off from this one toward the inside. And, let the outer rail of the main loop be the base rail. Then the inner rail of the main loop will go to the variable voltage post on the transformer. Since the inner rail is unbroken at the turnouts, the variable voltage also goes to the inner rail of the inside siding. Conjecture #1. The two transformers have the base posts tied together. Then on the inside loop the outer rail (base) is connected to the outer rail of the main (outside) loop and the two inner rails are connected. Powering the main loop also powers the inside loop. Conjecture #2. One or more turnouts do not have the operation selector (switch) set for "2 train control". This would tie two and maybe all three sidings together electrically. Unfortunately I do not have a turnout here in the office to see the exact labeling of the selector. Bruce, if this does not help, maybe you can provide a diagram of the turnout arrangement for guidance. CheerS, Rhett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46627	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Layout wiring problem

ALSO WHEN YOU CONNECTED BASE TO BASE DID YOU PHASE THE CURRENT????? BOB -------------- Original message from "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...>: -------------- I believe your problem comes from placing a transformer inside the turnout controlled power zone. You are feeding the siding with it's transformer power and turnout switched power at the same time. The slide switches on the turnouts determine whether a siding gets track power from the turnout or from the powered track leading into the points.. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhett George Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Layout wiring problem - GreetingS - Bruce Hansen has posed with great clarity a layout wiring problem which has vexed many a pike builder. Consider his layout with three long passing sidings. Let the outside siding be the main loop. The other sidings branch off from this one toward the inside. And, let the outer rail of the main loop be the base rail. Then the inner rail of the main loop will go to the variable voltage post on the transformer. Since the inner rail is unbroken at the turnouts, the variable voltage also goes to the inner rail of the inside siding. Conjecture #1. The two transformers have the base posts tied together. Then on the inside loop the outer rail (base) is connected to the outer rail of the main (outside) loop and the two inner rails are connected. Powering the main loop also powers the inside loop. Conjecture #2. One or more turnouts do not have the operation selector (switch) set for "2 train control". This would tie two and maybe all three sidings together electrically. Unfortunately I do not have a turnout here in the office to see the exact labeling of the selector. Bruce, if this does not help, maybe you can provide a diagram of the turnout arrangement for guidance. CheerS, Rhett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46628	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: AGC Wheel specs

Hi all, After measuring MANY trucks, both LC and KC, I concluded the most common dimension, back to back of wheels is 11/16" No factory documentation, but measurments of many cars, incluiding New In Box ones. Hope this helps. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46629	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer truck & cuopler specs

5c. Re: American Flyer truck & cuopler specs Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Date: Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:07 pm ((PST)) Why everyone knows that Mr. Gilbert used the dime for his spacing as I have found out recently in making sure the spacing between the wheels is a dime. I think he used his lucky 1916-D lucky Mercury dime to do this. ADVERTISEMENT: It is interesting that Mr. Gilbert used a wheel gauging tool made right here in Denver, Colorado. The factory is still in business but the 1916 model is out of production. I do have access to a newer model, same specifications but new engraving. I can ship immediately Cost is $3.00 each + $0.10 shipping Jerry HR77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46630	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: AGC Wheel specs

Is the 11/16" at about the tread diameter? Checking because styles of wheel backs vary. For example, metal wheels are wider near the hub. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Dewey Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:45 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AGC Wheel specs Hi all, After measuring MANY trucks, both LC and KC, I concluded the most common dimension, back to back of wheels is 11/16" No factory documentation, but measurments of many cars, incluiding New In Box ones. Hope this helps. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46631	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Mikado

Hi All, I have two questions. Has anyone converted a Flyonel Mikado to DC operation yet? And I thought I recently saw a post that mentioned a 18.55" centerline radius for original Flyer track, but I can't find it. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46632	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Mikado

Dear Tom, That was I that posted the centerline diameter of AF curved track. I asked civil engineer Dick Karnes for help. I sent him a bunch of AF curves and he sent me 5 pages of calculations that I forwarded to the design team. On the last page it stated that the centerline dia. was 18.55" Best, Don Thomas Stoltz wrote: > ... > > I thought I recently saw a post that mentioned a 18.55" centerline > radius for original Flyer track, but I can't find it. Can anyone help? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46633	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Mikado

Being all the motors are DC, I would think all you have to do is take all of the tech out and run wire to the motor from the electrical pick ups. I am not sure what the smoke unit would do. It might smoke with for real,but only once. Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...> wrote: Hi All, I have two questions. Has anyone converted a Flyonel Mikado to DC operation yet? And I thought I recently saw a post that mentioned a 18.55" centerline radius for original Flyer track, but I can't find it. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46634	From: Glenn	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Toy Trains Auction

Stout Auctions - the catalog for the January 25th and 26th Toy Train Auction is online. Saturday we will begin selling a very large single owner American Flyer S gauge collection. Flyer highlights will include lots and lots of sets/rolling stock plus several rarer items such as a UP Pony Express set, Simmons, Whites, 24409 NP, 24518 PRR, 24323 white ends, MP passenger set, NP Pass set plus many others. Watch the website for details. Attending the auction is a fantastic experience, Stout Auctions even supplies a free lunch. For those that cannot attend you can bid using the StoutAuctions.com website or using eBayliveauctions.com. All items in the auction will include full color photos on the internet, all sold with NO RESERVE! Plan to attend in our comfortable and well lighted auction gallery. The auction begins at 10:00AM ET. Absentee bidding on the StoutAuctions.com website closes at 6:00PM ET Jan. 24th, faxed or called in bids must be received by 5:00PM ET Jan 24th. Please call 765-764-6901 for information or to order a full color catalog. The auction to follow the January sale will be held in our West Middlesex, PA auction gallery on February 8th and 9th. If you have a quality item or an entire collection that you would like to include in the 2008 auctions or any other upcoming auctions please call Stout Auctions Indiana at 765-764-6901 or Pennsylvania at 724-528-1500. Stout Auctions offers the finest full color catalogs in the toy train business. Stout Auctions has a large selection of older catalogs that are sold with the prices realized from the auction. The older catalogs make great reference tools. To order the current catalogs or order older catalogs please visit http://www.stoutauctions.com/info_catalogorder.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46635	From: ken_5556	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Mikado

Do you mean center line RADIUS of 18.55 ? Ken --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Dear Tom, > That was I that posted the centerline diameter of AF curved track. I > asked civil engineer Dick Karnes for help. I sent him a bunch of AF > curves and he sent me 5 pages of calculations that I forwarded to the > design team. On the last page it stated that the centerline dia. was 18.55" > Best, > Don > > Thomas Stoltz wrote: > > > ... > > > > I thought I recently saw a post that mentioned a 18.55" centerline > > radius for original Flyer track, but I can't find it. Can anyone help? > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46636	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Auction

Well Thanx for the Blatent Advertising for Stout Auctions....I for one never use them or any other auction house that sticks its hand in my pocket for 17% extra for simply wanting to spend my money on an item ...there are too many other venues to purchase and own AF to bother with money making auction houses that are disposing of someones lifetime ...I suppose that somewhere we have lost another collector that bought and saved the stuff on shelves in their nice mint boxes and now his family is disposing of his estate the easiest way they know how...either way the Auction Vultures are there to line there pockets. The nicest way to get trains is going to the shows and meeting up with all the great guys there to have fun and Buy Trade and Sell the stuff....Run the L out of them Boys ..Have some fun with your efforts ...because when your taking the everlasting Dirt Nap your relatives and going to be jetting to some resort because you didnt have your fun....Playing with your trains...and the got great tickets because all you did was sit the stuff on sheves in their nice pristine boxes rather than take them out and play with them ....SO Much for INVESTMENT ...$$$$$$$ but no Fun ....LOLOL --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" <gartrain404@...> wrote: > > Stout Auctions - the catalog for the January 25th and > 26th Toy Train Auction is online. > Saturday we will begin selling a very large > single owner American Flyer S gauge collection. Flyer highlights will > include lots and lots of sets/rolling stock plus several rarer items such > as a UP Pony Express set, Simmons, Whites, 24409 NP, 24518 PRR, 24323 > white ends, MP passenger set, NP Pass set plus many others. Watch the > website for details. Attending the auction is a fantastic experience, > Stout Auctions even supplies a free lunch. For those that cannot attend > you can bid using the StoutAuctions.com website or using > eBayliveauctions.com. All items in the auction will include full color > photos on the internet, all sold with NO RESERVE! Plan to attend in our > comfortable and well lighted auction gallery. The auction begins at 10:00AM > ET. > > Absentee bidding on the StoutAuctions.com website closes at 6:00PM ET Jan. > 24th, faxed or called in bids must be received by 5:00PM ET Jan 24th. > Please call 765-764-6901 for information or to order a full color catalog. > > The auction to follow the January sale will be held in our West Middlesex, > PA auction gallery on February 8th and 9th. > > If you have a quality item or an entire collection that you would like to > include in the 2008 auctions or any other upcoming auctions please call > Stout Auctions Indiana at 765-764-6901 or Pennsylvania at 724-528- 1500. > > Stout Auctions offers the finest full color catalogs in the toy train > business. Stout Auctions has a large selection of older catalogs that are > sold with the prices realized from the auction. The older catalogs make > great reference tools. To order the current catalogs or order older > catalogs please visit http://www.stoutauctions.com/info_catalogorder.html >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46637	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF Cardboard Fiber Roadbed ?

The pictures are now online in The Gilbert Gallery: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/infrastructure_track.html If you're ever looking for pictures of a Flyer item and you can't find it in The Gallery, email me: I may have one that has not yet been uploaded. Bob Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: Earl, The straight fiber roadbed was number 26601 and was produced in 1959 through 1962. The curved fiber roadbed was number 26602 and was produced in 1959 and 1961-62. The books indicate the fiber roadbed is more common than the rubber roadbed but I see a lot of rubber roadbed and hardly any fiber roadbed so I'm not too sure about that rating. I've looked in several books and on-line but did not find any photos of the fiber roadbed. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46638	From: ER	Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Caution: SHS Item for sale

In cleaning out some cabinets I found an S Helper 10 button controller box. This is like new. There is only the Unit, nothing else, no paperwork or anything. First person that wants it for $40 can have it shipping included. Or try an offer for if I don't get anyone that wants it for the $40. I did not find these in the SHS website, so don't know if they are still available. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. Paypal, Check or M.O work, Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46639	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: Mikado

Dear Ken, You are correct, I mistyped. Don PS Thank you for finding my error..... ken_5556 wrote: > Do you mean center line RADIUS of 18.55 ? > > Ken > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > > > Dear Tom, > > That was I that posted the centerline diameter of AF curved > track. I > > asked civil engineer Dick Karnes for help. I sent him a bunch of > AF > > curves and he sent me 5 pages of calculations that I forwarded to > the > > design team. On the last page it stated that the centerline dia. > was 18.55" > > Best, > > Don > > > > Thomas Stoltz wrote: > > > > > ... > > > > > > I thought I recently saw a post that mentioned a 18.55" centerline > > > radius for original Flyer track, but I can't find it. Can anyone > help? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46640	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: (no subject)

Hi...I need a tender for a hudson steam engine...it doesn't have to have the reverse unit...If you have one or know someone who does let me know...butch8339@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46641	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Trestle set?

Anybody make a trestle set that can be used with S-Trax? Thanks, Jordan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46642	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: Trestle set?

Dear Jordan, Woodland scenics makes foam elevations and risers that we use on our 5' X 9' display layout. I know that the AF trestles will not support our track unless you add either a strip of plywood or metal under our track. Best regards, Don jhl1963 wrote: > Anybody make a trestle set that can be used with S-Trax? Thanks, Jordan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46643	From: smuel10363@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3913

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 46644	From: The LANIERs	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Availabilty of Parts

I have been thinking about this submission for a while, and the recent posts about AF repair have prompted me to share this. For those of us who do our own AF repairs, or repairs for others, the availability of parts, original or otherwise, is crucial. As the future of AF S Gauge has also been discussed here from time to time, I suspect that the first sign that interest in the old AF may be on the wane will be the decreased interest in Gilbert Flyer repair. There would logically follow a resultant cessation in the manufacture of necessary parts and a decline in the number of parts vendors. In recent months I have found that a number of parts that I had previously taken for granted as being available are at best now difficult to find, and very possibly no longer available. I had gone to many parts catalogs and websites, and found that both original and reproduction parts that were once listed were no longer there. One of the parts I had in mind was the individual diesel truck side for both GP7s and Alcos. These seem to be only available as complete assemblies now or as new Flyonel production, not separate side pieces as they once were. The other item is the chassis for O Gauge diecast passenger cars. I know who made these, and they no longer list them among their available parts. Someone may have a cache of these parts somewhere, but I don't believe they are getting re-supplied. Again, all of this is as best as I can determine, and I am familiar with most every AF part vender. There may be more parts drying up as I write this. Even as I say all of that, I am aware that there are currently quite a few listings on ebay for the sale of common parts in quantity. Are some vendors trying to get rid of overstocked parts before the bottom drops out and they are left with parts they cannot even give away? Who really knows what is going on. Maybe some of the parts vendors who participate in this forum will comment. To those of us who repair and restore, what I am trying to saying is this; as a word to the wise, if there are any repair or restoration projects on your workbench or in your repair queue for which you do not have all of the parts required, you would be wise to consider buying those parts now before they too disappear. If you just assume what you need will be available because it once was, you may find yourself scowering junker boxes for used parts in the not too distant future. I apologize in advance if my thoughts or anything I have said here offends anyone. paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46645	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: ACG wheel specs & layout wiring

Hi all, Chuck brought up a very good point, WHERE on the inside of the wheel is the back-to back at 11/16" On the back side of the flange area, not at the axle, as that dimension varies from production change to production change, and (as Chuck noted) from plastic to metal wheels. This dimension is a bit critical when running through switches set to the curved route as the plastic gaurd rails help keep the trucks "on track" by keeping the inside wheel on the rail. Second subject, problems with layout wiring and ACG switches. It is important to remember that the "two train" switch only stops power going to ONE rail, and it is a different rail from left handed to right handed! The right handed switch shuts off current to the curved rail section, the left handed to the straight rail section. This difference can sometimes cause one fits trying to figure out why the "two train" switch doesn't isolate their siding! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46646	From: santorojoseph	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: S Gauge Rolling Stock with Nevada Road Name

Does anyone have for sale rolling stock bearing a State of Nevada road name or indicia?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46647	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: Mikado

Thomas Stoltz wrote: Tom, I converted a Flyonel Mikado to DCC with Tsumani sound. Switching to DC should not be a problem except Flyonel's electronics for sound. With DCC I just gutted the engine. Steve Lunde > Hi All, > > I have two questions. Has anyone converted a Flyonel Mikado to DC > operation > yet? And I thought I recently saw a post that mentioned a 18.55" > centerline > radius for original Flyer track, but I can't find it. Can anyone help? > > Thanks in advance, > > Tom Stoltz > > Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork > Maine S Gaugers > NASG > > www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/ > <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46648	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Fw: order

Well, the progress of my layout has died until I get my order of roadbed, that I did not know would take three weeks or longer. Oh well, maybe by the time this comes in, the extra switches I ordered will be here too. I did find a great webpage for micro screws for the track, thanks to Bill Zide. www.mircofasteners.com Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marner, We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! Sincerely Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm To: <Vinylbed@...> Hi, I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S scale roadbed. I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you received the letter. Thank you, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46649	From: Karl Raab	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Chicago Transit Authority 6000 "EL" Car Shell

Hi There is a CTA 6000 series "EL" Car Shell listed on ebay. Auction # 110212537848. It's listed as 'S' scale. Does anyone on the list have any idea on who may have made this? I'm waiting for more information from the seller, but thought that I would ask the group. Thanks in advance. Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46650	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Hi Micheal -- Maybe you didn't know this, but most mail order houses do not have non-bread and butter items in stock. The reason it takes three weeks for your order is that they order it from their supplier, THEN they ship it to you. Pure profit.... Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ (former owner of Palmdale Hobbies, so I know about these things) Well, the progress of my layout has died until I get my order of roadbed, that I did not know would take three weeks or longer. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46651	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/13/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 46652	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Thanks Bill. I believe they are the marker of the roadbed. They only take checks, so I figured it would take a week for the check to clear. But I can understand that S roadbed may not be a big stock item and they might have to make it. I would think they would stock a little bit of O at least. I only wish they mentioned this on their website. I would of ordered it a few weeks ago. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: order Hi Micheal -- Maybe you didn't know this, but most mail order houses do not have non-bread and butter items in stock. The reason it takes three weeks for your order is that they order it from their supplier, THEN they ship it to you. Pure profit.... Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ (former owner of Palmdale Hobbies, so I know about these things) Well, the progress of my layout has died until I get my order of roadbed, that I did not know would take three weeks or longer. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46653	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Link

I saw an interesting article on the A.C.Gilbert Dairy by Don Rosa in the recent issue of the TCA Quartery. I googled it and found the following link on A.C. Gilbert. Best regards, Don http://dorseyland.blogsome.com/2006/08/16/the-amazing-life-of-ac-gilbert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46654	From: Tom Kaufman	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3916

I have a question, that I feel needs clarification. I have in my collection, a CNW Pacific of later vintage, wigh Pull-Mor, 2 position reverser, and smoke, with knuckle couplers. Looks to me, locomotive was a transition piece between knuckle couplers and pikemaster couplers. I had wanted to convert the locomotive to a three position reverser. One of my dearest friends, who is a flyer repairman here locally says that is not possible as the motor in my locomotive is different then the one on a three position motor. He advised doing the conversion is more work than it is worth. I guess my take is they are both AC motors so what is the difference? Thanks for any information you can assist me with. Tom Kaufman ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46655	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Hi again -- Well, at least you can enjoy the anticipation! Have fun! Bill I only wish they mentioned this on their website. I would of ordered it a few weeks ago. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46656	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3916

Tom- In an electrical engineering sense you are correct, an AC motor is an AC motor. I think your repairman is also correct from an economics point of view. The two position reverse mechanism mounting and connections are different from the three position units. The amount of time and expense to pay someone to make the conversion would probably exceed the value of the locomotive. Electrical and mechanical things to do. Mount the three position reverse unit in the tender and make a slot for the on/off control lever and holes for the mounting. Cable the four wire or five wire connection to connector to bring the electrical connections to the locomotive. Remove the two position reverse unit from the back of the motor and identify the brush leads and coil leads for connection to the tender. Find the headlight lead for the fifth wire connection (if you use that diagram). Carefully attach a cable to the wires and bring to the mating connector for connection to the tender mounted reverse unit. All in all probably easier to find someone with a pacific with a three position reverse unit that would like a two position unit and trade. Bill Drake Central Virginia --- Tom Kaufman <elmer53@...> wrote: > I have a question, that I feel needs clarification. > I have in my collection, a CNW Pacific of later > vintage, wigh Pull-Mor, 2 position reverser, and > smoke, with knuckle couplers. Looks to me, > locomotive was a transition piece between knuckle > couplers and pikemaster couplers. > > I had wanted to convert the locomotive to a three > position reverser. One of my dearest friends, who is > a flyer repairman here locally says that is not > possible as the motor in my locomotive is different > then the one on a three position motor. He advised > doing the conversion is more work than it is worth. > I guess my take is they are both AC motors so what > is the difference? > > Thanks for any information you can assist me with. > Tom Kaufman > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46657	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3916

Tom, If you are really wanting to run this engine and want the three position reverse, rather than have the engine slam into reverse on a rough joint or a turnout....seems like the cost of conversion would be the least of the problem. There ought to be plenty of the CNW pacifics around so you could pick up a earlier version with the three position reverse and run the wheels off of it....and set the other on the shelf.... Depending on how you are running it, lock the engine in forward and don't worry about it....If you are doing a lot of switching or backing and you just have to use that engine...then get the engine fixed like you want and go on... gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Kaufman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3916 I have a question, that I feel needs clarification. I have in my collection, a CNW Pacific of later vintage, wigh Pull-Mor, 2 position reverser, and smoke, with knuckle couplers. Looks to me, locomotive was a transition piece between knuckle couplers and pikemaster couplers. I had wanted to convert the locomotive to a three position reverser. One of my dearest friends, who is a flyer repairman here locally says that is not possible as the motor in my locomotive is different then the one on a three position motor. He advised doing the conversion is more work than it is worth. I guess my take is they are both AC motors so what is the difference? Thanks for any information you can assist me with. Tom Kaufman __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46658	From: bandmancwc	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: American Flyer Padded Stool

Hi Everyone, I picked up an American Flyer padded bar stool from a dealer who was going out of business about 2 years ago. I would like to find a couple more for my 2 sons, but have not had any luck finding them. (only big "L" & MTH)...does anyone know of any out there somewhere? Thanks for the help....Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46659	From: pab11147	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Using American Models mix with AF stock

Hi all: I have a four train layout comprised of exlusively AF original stock. I'd like opinions as to using American Models cars (S helper or exclusives also) with AF stock. I understand that AM cars, for example, are taller as they are not based on x-29 design. Would using them with my existing trains therefore look realistic and compatible? Am in particular has so many road names and styles that I would like to use them , if possible. Thoughts and recommendations would be appreciated. thank you in advance. paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46660	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: AM Alco PA-1

Does anyone on the list own the American Models alco Pa's? How do they compare to the Flyonel units? I know about the more accurate roof, but I was wondering about the sound sets, and opeartion. I bought a set of E8's recently and have found them to be a little finiky about contact even though they have 8 wheel pickup. Please let me know your thoughts. Plus I didn't ever get a reply about what the safest way to clean the lube oil off the paint of my E8's and my AM northern. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46661	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: ACG Specs

Don T wrote: If you can locate the actual A.C. Gilbert specs for back to back, etc. for AF wheels and wheelsets, every S gauge mfg. would be deeply in your debt. I have search hi and lo for 30 years and cannot find a mention or drawing. Hi All, For some reason, I am really intrigued by trying to figure what ACG's intent was when it comes to engineering specs for wheelsets, radii, etc. I guess it came about designing turnouts and went from there. I know in the past we have hashed over this so many times that perhaps most would sooner see it go away and I am willing to take this thread off list if that is preferred. Still, inquiring minds want to know. I had done some drawings that satisfied my curiosity about the design radius for AF track, however, thanks to a computer crash, they are gone. To recreate the drawings, I started by measuring a couple of AF (RH) switches and found them to be two different lengths. They are plastic and one could presume they came out of the same mold, but they are different. Different rates of shrinkage? Sloppy tolerances in manufacturing? Which one, if either, is right? Where to start? As a professional industrial designer, I know someone, somewhere had to come up with a fixed number to work with. Otherwise, the geometry of the track system, the back to back spacing of the wheelsets, etc could not have been figured out and then sent to the tool maker, the mold maker, the model builder and all the engineers it takes to make a product come off the end of the assembly line. So, I know the drawings had to have existed at some time in the past. And I guess most were simply tossed out with the demise of the ACG Co. But nothing survived? Not some patent drawing? Nothing? The quest is for 'The Number' Thanks, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46662	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Using American Models mix with AF stock

In a message dated 1/13/2008 10:38:17 AM Central Standard Time, pab1147@... writes: Hi all: I have a four train layout comprised of exlusively AF original stock. I'd like opinions as to using American Models cars (S helper or exclusives also) with AF stock. I understand that AM cars, for example, are taller as they are not based on x-29 design. Would using them with my existing trains therefore look realistic and compatible? Am in particular has so many road names and styles that I would like to use them , if possible. Thoughts and recommendations would be appreciated. thank you in advance. paul Just a personal opinion. If you start adding SHS and AM rolling stock to your train layout, I think you will be very pleased. In fact you are very likely to want to sell your American Flyer cars other than the action cars. The operation of the SHS and AM cars is so superior to the American Flyer cars, including the brand new cars released by Flyonel. You did not ask about locomotives, but I have the same opinion about them. The Gilbert steamers are wonderful with their smoke and choo choo. But there is no comparison between the operation of the AM and SHS diesels compared with the Gilbert and Flyonel diesels. - Earl Henry, Nashville **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46663	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Using American Models mix with AF stock

Dear Paul, Your question depends on a couple of thing. If you look at videos of real freight trains from the 40s and 50s, you will see a variety of heights for boxcars. Yes, the X29 is not very tall, and the AM boxcar with it 10' inside height would be over a foot taller, But, when mixed with our SHS boxcars that are based on the USRA single sheathed boxcar that's height is in between the two, you should be able to make a more realistic looking trains than having them all the boxcars same height. Best regards, Don pab11147 wrote: > Hi all: > I have a four train layout comprised of exlusively AF original stock. > I'd like opinions as to using American Models cars (S helper or > exclusives also) with AF stock. I understand that AM cars, for example, > are taller as they are not based on x-29 design. Would using them with > my existing trains therefore look realistic and compatible? > > Am in particular has so many road names and styles that I would like to > use them , if possible. > > Thoughts and recommendations would be appreciated. > > thank you in advance. > > paul > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46664	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Using American Models mix with AF stock

Interesting Don. Good info. I'm not sure I'm familiar with the term "X29 Design". What is that? THanks! Rick (Stumped but NOT Stumpy) Evans. > Dear Paul, > Your question depends on a couple of thing. If you look at videos of > real freight trains from the 40s and 50s, you will see a variety of > heights for boxcars. Yes, the X29 is not very tall, and the AM boxcar > with it 10' inside height would be over a foot taller, But, when > mixed > with our SHS boxcars that are based on the USRA single sheathed boxcar > that's height is in between the two, you should be able to make a > more > realistic looking trains than having them all the boxcars same height. > Best regards, > Don > > pab11147 wrote: > >> Hi all: >> I have a four train layout comprised of exlusively AF original stock. >> I'd like opinions as to using American Models cars (S helper or >> exclusives also) with AF stock. I understand that AM cars, for >> example, >> are taller as they are not based on x-29 design. Would using them >> with >> my existing trains therefore look realistic and compatible? >> >> Am in particular has so many road names and styles that I would >> like to >> use them , if possible. >> >> Thoughts and recommendations would be appreciated. >> >> thank you in advance. >> >> paul >> >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46665	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Hee hee, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: order Hi again -- Well, at least you can enjoy the anticipation! Have fun! Bill I only wish they mentioned this on their website. I would of ordered it a few weeks ago. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46666	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Using American Models mix with AF stock

Dear Rick, This was a design for steel boxcars in the early 20s put forth by the PRR. Many railroads adopted cars of a similar design. I think most S gauges agree that the American Flyer boxcar is modeled after this car. The flat seam roof is a pretty good tip off as most other roads used a standing seam which was less prone to leak. Best regards, Don Rick Evans wrote: > Interesting Don. Good info. > I'm not sure I'm familiar with the term "X29 Design". > What is that? > THanks! > Rick (Stumped but NOT Stumpy) Evans. > > > Dear Paul, > > Your question depends on a couple of thing. If you look at videos of > > real freight trains from the 40s and 50s, you will see a variety of > > heights for boxcars. Yes, the X29 is not very tall, and the AM boxcar > > with it 10' inside height would be over a foot taller, But, when > > mixed > > with our SHS boxcars that are based on the USRA single sheathed boxcar > > that's height is in between the two, you should be able to make a > > more > > realistic looking trains than having them all the boxcars same height. > > Best regards, > > Don > > > > pab11147 wrote: > > > >> Hi all: > >> I have a four train layout comprised of exlusively AF original stock. > >> I'd like opinions as to using American Models cars (S helper or > >> exclusives also) with AF stock. I understand that AM cars, for > >> example, > >> are taller as they are not based on x-29 design. Would using them > >> with > >> my existing trains therefore look realistic and compatible? > >> > >> Am in particular has so many road names and styles that I would > >> like to > >> use them , if possible. > >> > >> Thoughts and recommendations would be appreciated. > >> > >> thank you in advance. > >> > >> paul > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums <http://S-Scale.org/albums> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46667	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/13/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 46668	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Using American Models mix with AF stock

In a message dated 01/13/2008 11:51:20 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes: with their smoke and choo choo. But there is no comparison between the operation of the AM and SHS diesels compared with the Gilbert and Flyonel d iesels. Except the ones converted to can motors and with/or without sound units by SnS Trains...:) Steve Blackburn Boise **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46669	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Take a look at this website to see another track option

Earl it looks like some guys have run AF switches with AM track. I have a large collection of AF switches in Chicago and was wondering if Scale wheels will run on them as well. Tom's turnouts seem to be my answer, but on a hidden holding yard on in public view it might be possible to use those AF switches? I was going to e-bay them. Jim Tennsgauge@... wrote: http://www.classictrains.com/pictures.htm Jim, this is supposedly for scale and highrail. Rail height is more than us scale guys would like but still the track looks pretty darn good. - Earl Henry --------------------------------- Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46670	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Using American Models mix with AF stock

In a message dated 1/13/2008 6:13:51 PM Central Standard Time, boss31@... writes: Except the ones converted to can motors and with/or without sound units by SnS Trains...:) Steve Blackburn Boise I do not have any experience with can motors put in Gilbert or Flyonel diesels, but it sounds like a great idea. Can you install can motors in the dummy units? One thing stays the same even if the motors are replaced: the oversized O gauge trucks. - Earl Henry, Nashville **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46671	From: 67GT	Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: gazebo

Hello all, I have searched everywhere and I am hoping you can help. I am looking for a gazebo. The kind you would see as a band stand or in a park. Round, Oval, retangle, it doesn't matter. If you have one or can point me in the right direction I would be very grateful. Lisa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46672	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism and some family news...

Most of the 2008 catalogs did not go out last week as our Pitney Bowes meter stopped working and PB does not seem that interested in fixing it. I want to appologies for this delay. I hope they come back today and finally fix it. Catalogs can be seen, downloaded and ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Catalogs/catalogs.html Some new items dues early Spring. Bill Clark updated our reefer page with pictures of three new reefers: http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html Bill Clark posted the new pictures of the S Scale America tank cars on our website. These are available now: http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_tank_cars_in_stock.html Bill also added the artwork for the S Scale America ACF 3 bay Covered Hoppers which are due next week; http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_ACFHoppers_in_stock.html Bill also added artwork for some S Scale America future items that will be delivered in the next few weeks: New Gunderson Roadnames: http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_Gunderson_in_stock.html 40' steel reefers: http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_reefers_in_stock.html The Vienna Bridge arrives this week with the 10" straight track. We should see these later in the weeks. The next shipment will be the trailers and flex track. We received a spread sheet on the pending projects from our builder. The switches are to be completed by the end of the month. We should see them early March. Almost sold out: 01642 NX Heilman Brewery reefer 01844 White Rock reefer As a final note, Robin's dad Bill passed away on Saturday. Although his models were O gauge, he enjoyed our hobby and the prototype as much as we all do. He used to go to the NASG conventions with us and to York. The last few years, he has not been as active. We did see him in September and he was at the Christmas Party in 2006. For those who did not have the pleasure in meeting Bill, I am sorry you did not hear about his jump on D-Day or learn all about "Notch Babies". We will all miss his wry sense of humor. For me, I always thought of myself so lucky to marry into the Still family. With Bill and I sharing the same hobby and love of trains, I am sure Robin does not think of me being as strange as many of our customers spouses. Robin Mom Marilyn was a nurse and I thought really enjoyed hearing about the work we did. Both were great in-laws and I miss both of them. I count myself fortunate to have known them and also very happy they were wonderful grandparents to our kids. Don Don Thompson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46673	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Can motors in Flyer Diesels

I do not have any experience with can motors put in Gilbert or Flyonel diesels, but it sounds like a great idea. Can you install can motors in the dummy units? Do it all the time. Just did one on Friday.(473) You can see one on our web site. Look under products. _www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46674	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: S at the local train show

We did the annual Oglebay Park train show this past weekend near Wheeling, WV. It's a small show which supports the model train layout and display at the zoo (O gauge, unfortunately.) I took my smallest S gauge layout which turned out to be the best sceniced and detailed at the show. I got a lot of questions about S and I think several people seriously considering trying S. However, the prices of the old Flyer at the show was set by people who obviously didn't own a price guide or were trying to fleece the "bumpkins" in West Virginia. One dealer in particular was really out of wack! There were a couple of Hudsons with no rear loco truck, no tender, and well battered priced at $150. each. While these should have been in a junk box under the table, a guy just across the hall had a sharp restored Hudson for $175. The same dealer had a red heavyweight combine at $225. similar to two which I bought at different times last year for $65. and $85. These are just some examples of the worst pricing, although the S people who were at thwe show agreed all the S was way too high, with a very few exceptions. I got the feeling I was bringing them to S gauge, and the vendors were driving them away again! Stumpy Stone...tired in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46675	From: lvtrainmeet	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Nice Train meet this weekend

Just wanted to let everyone Know there is a train meet this weekend at Merchants Sqaure Mall 1901 S 12th st Allentown Pa Jan 19th and 20th You Can get info at www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com Hope to see you there. Kevin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46676	From: barb	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: gazebo

Hi Lisa, Are you looking for a gazebo to go in your backyard or on a train layout? You didn't specify size. Barb -----Original Message----- >From: 67GT <llaskey@...> >Sent: Jan 13, 2008 9:59 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] gazebo > >Hello all, > >I have searched everywhere and I am hoping you can help. I am looking for a >gazebo. The kind you would see as a band stand or in a park. Round, Oval, >retangle, it doesn't matter. If you have one or can point me in the right >direction I would be very grateful. > >Lisa > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46677	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism and some family news...

My condolences on the loss of your father-in-law. You indeed were lucky to have shared similar interests. Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Don Thompson <don@...> Most of the 2008 catalogs did not go out last week as our Pitney Bowes meter stopped working and PB does not seem that interested in fixing it. I want to appologies for this delay. I hope they come back today and finally fix it. Catalogs can be seen, downloaded and ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Catalogs/catalogs.html Some new items dues early Spring. Bill Clark updated our reefer page with pictures of three new reefers: http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html Bill Clark posted the new pictures of the S Scale America tank cars on our website. These are available now: http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_tank_cars_in_stock.html Bill also added the artwork for the S Scale America ACF 3 bay Covered Hoppers which are due next week; http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_ACFHoppers_in_stock.html Bill also added artwork for some S Scale America future items that will be delivered in the next few weeks: New Gunderson Roadnames: http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_Gunderson_in_stock.html 40' steel reefers: http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_reefers_in_stock.html The Vienna Bridge arrives this week with the 10" straight track. We should see these later in the weeks. The next shipment will be the trailers and flex track. We received a spread sheet on the pending projects from our builder. The switches are to be completed by the end of the month. We should see them early March. Almost sold out: 01642 NX Heilman Brewery reefer 01844 White Rock reefer As a final note, Robin's dad Bill passed away on Saturday. Although his models were O gauge, he enjoyed our hobby and the prototype as much as we all do. He used to go to the NASG conventions with us and to York. The last few years, he has not been as active. We did see him in September and he was at the Christmas Party in 2006. For those who did not have the pleasure in meeting Bill, I am sorry you did not hear about his jump on D-Day or learn all about "Notch Babies". We will all miss his wry sense of humor. For me, I always thought of myself so lucky to marry into the Still family. With Bill and I sharing the same hobby and love of trains, I am sure Robin does not think of me being as strange as many of our customers spouses. Robin Mom Marilyn was a nurse and I thought really enjoyed hearing about the work we did. Both were great in-laws and I miss both of them. I count myself fortunate to have known them and also very happy they were wonderful grandparents to our kids. Don Don Thompson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46678	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: (no subject)

Hi has anyone had any trouble with the whistle on there american models steam engine blowing all the time....my does and it gets worse the more volts i give it....if anyone has let me know what i can do to solve the problem....thanks...Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46679	From: bw_hansen	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: Layout wiring problem

Problem solved...thanks to the group. After reading the respones to my inquiry I went back to the layout and did some lookin' around. 1) I had the inside loops switches set to two train mode. Wrong. That just kept those tracks live no matter what. By switching them to single train mode. Both transformers work independently and with the selected loop(s). The other loops switches stay in two train mode. 2) I had run bus wires all around the layout. To maintain power evenly I tied the far end of the outside loop to one of the transformer busses. That kept that loop on regardless of the switch setting. After removing that connection everything works great. The Goez, Nowear and Bach is now up and running. Thanks to all that helped. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46680	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re:

If you are running DC it will blow all the time. Bill At 12:53 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote: >Hi >has anyone had any trouble with the whistle on there >american models steam engine blowing all the time....my >does and it gets worse the more volts i give it....if >anyone has let me know what i can do to solve the >problem....thanks...Butch > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46681	From: 67GT	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: gazebo

Barb, This would be for a layout and S is what I am hoping for. Lisa On Jan 14, 2008 11:21 AM, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: > Hi Lisa, > > Are you looking for a gazebo to go in your backyard or on > a train layout? You didn't specify size. > > Barb > > -----Original Message----- > >From: 67GT <llaskey@... <llaskey%40gmail.com>> > >Sent: Jan 13, 2008 9:59 PM > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: [S-Trains] gazebo > > > >Hello all, > > > >I have searched everywhere and I am hoping you can help. I am looking for > a > >gazebo. The kind you would see as a band stand or in a park. Round, Oval, > >retangle, it doesn't matter. If you have one or can point me in the right > >direction I would be very grateful. > > > >Lisa > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46682	From: judgeatkck2002	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: gazebo

Dept 56 has a gazebo which I use with our Christmas Holiday Layout, it is a retired piece, but is readily available on the used market

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46683	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Gazebo

Hi Lisa, There is a wooden building set put out by Dura-craft that includes a nice gazebo that's about the right size. The other buildings are usuable and kind of fun to build too, but they take putty to make the joints look good. Also check out your craft stores for a plaster gazebo. I'm sure most of the remaining Christmas plaster buildings are discounted. I bet you'll find a nice one there. Good luck, Jacques in snowy Thorp, WA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46684	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: S at the local train show

In a message dated 1/14/2008 9:06:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: I got the feeling I was bringing them to S gauge, and the vendors were driving them away again! Stumpy brings up an argument I frequently hear around TCA (NOT from the dealers) IF prices were reasonable, items would change hands much more often and MORE people would become interested. In a perfect world, of course. Jim Lyle **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46685	From: Larry Schliessmann	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: New photos

Hey everyone, Okay I don't post much, but I do enjoy reading the posts I receive in email, and comment when I feel I've something to contribute. However, this is not one of those occasions. Below is the link to my gallery. I've posted some new photos of my ongoing 4-6-6-4 project and a 14 crossover with 4 switches project. I suppose you'll need to copy and paste the link into you brower. I'm not handy enough to create one that is linkable (is there such a term). Larry Schliessmann http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains?page=8

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46686	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: New photos

Larry Schliessmann wrote: > I suppose you'll need to copy and paste the link into you brower. I'm > not handy enough to create one that is linkable (is there such a term). > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains?page=8 > <http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains?page=8> There are a couple of ways of dealing with long URL's. One is to put a < and > at each end although I have been told this only works in Windows and not a Macintosh. The other way is to go to http://www.tinyurl.com and paste in the long URL and it will create a pointer that is very small. For example, http://tinyurl.com/24a3rl is the tinyurl for your first link. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46687	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re:

You don't say what equipment you have. I experienced this with an old AM Pacific running on AC with a MRC 270 watt dual power pack with walk around controllers. The "fix" was to turn the engine around. This just happened and I'm thinking of installing a polarity reversing switch between the supply and the track as a workaround. If you try this let us know how it works. I think the problem is in the wave shape of the output power. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of butch8339@... Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:54 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Hi has anyone had any trouble with the whistle on there american models steam engine blowing all the time....my does and it gets worse the more volts i give it....if anyone has let me know what i can do to solve the problem....thanks...Butch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46688	From: Al	Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: S Gauge Rolling Stock with Nevada Road Name

Check on the internet for the Ghosts Train of Ely. There are part of the Nevada Northern RR. You should be able to see an emblem on one of there engines. Also check for the Carson City Railroad Museum. They have a lot of nice engine and you can find an emblem from the Truckee RR so sure. Al --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46689	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: (no subject)

On the subject of my american model steam engine blowing the whilstle all the time....I'm runing ac.....but i think the problem is with the controller.....I think its letting some dc voltage through...and the more volts i give it the more it blows...is this possible?.....Is there any way to check the controller to see if this is happening..... I put the engine on another track where the controller is not hook up and it stoped....so i know it must be the controller....has any one had a problem with the AM controllers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46690	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: New photos

Larry S posted: I've posted some new photos of my ongoing 4-6-6-4 project and a 14 crossover with 4 switches project. <http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains?page=8> http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains?page=8 Larry, Very nice trackwork, I really like your #4 crossing. Are you using 148 NS? The link worked just fine for me. Thanks for sharing, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46691	From: Lawrence Schliessmann	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: New photos

Thanks, George! That is great information. Larry Lawrence Schliessmann eBay store noirbooks99 for great deals. schliess@... Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Cohn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/14/2008 9:11:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New photos Larry Schliessmann wrote: > I suppose you'll need to copy and paste the link into you brower. I'm > not handy enough to create one that is linkable (is there such a term). > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains?page=8 > <http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains?page=8> There are a couple of ways of dealing with long URL's. One is to put a < and > at each end although I have been told this only works in Windows and not a Macintosh. The other way is to go to http://www.tinyurl.com and paste in the long URL and it will create a pointer that is very small. For example, http://tinyurl.com/24a3rl is the tinyurl for your first link. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46692	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: gazebo

Hi Lisa, I have a couple of wooden gazebos I bought from Lowe's during the Christmas season. They were a part of the Christmas snow village line. I am currently in the UK but could send you some photos when I return home later this week if you would like. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, 67GT <llaskey@...> wrote: > > Hello all, > > I have searched everywhere and I am hoping you can help. I am looking for a > gazebo. The kind you would see as a band stand or in a park. Round, Oval, > retangle, it doesn't matter. If you have one or can point me in the right > direction I would be very grateful. > > Lisa > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46693	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Baseball figures?

Is anyone interested in cast metal baseball figures for their "S" lay-outs? If there is enough interest I would consider having molds made up so I could cast them. Would probably offer both painted & unpainted. Let me know if you would be interested by emailing me directly. (ruth.leahy@...) Thanks, Mike Leahy Boulder, CO.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46694	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: Baseball figures?

Baseball figures are already available through Doug Peck at Port Lines. My team plays on my layout field 24/7. Does anyone know if there is an S scale scoreboard available somewhere? Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ruth A Leahy Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:34 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Baseball figures? Is anyone interested in cast metal baseball figures for their "S" lay-outs? If there is enough interest I would consider having molds made up so I could cast them. Would probably offer both painted & unpainted. Let me know if you would be interested by emailing me directly. (ruth.leahy@...) Thanks, Mike Leahy Boulder, CO. Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46695	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: Baseball figures?

We need Miller Engineering to do an animated scoreboard (one per major sport)? to use... At 1/15/2008 11:08 AM, Dave Highfield wrote: >Baseball figures are already available through Doug Peck at Port Lines. My >team plays on my layout field 24/7. Does anyone know if there is an S scale >scoreboard available somewhere? > >Dave in Maryland > >-----Original Message----- >From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf >Of Ruth A Leahy >Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:34 AM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Baseball figures? > >Is anyone interested in cast metal baseball figures for their "S" lay-outs? >If there is enough interest I would consider having molds made up so I could >cast them. Would probably offer both painted & unpainted. Let me know if >you would be interested by emailing me directly. (ruth.leahy@...) > >Thanks, > >Mike Leahy >Boulder, CO. > > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 >6:09 PM > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 >6:09 PM > > > > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46696	From: Chuck Bukauskas	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: New photos

Larry, Great photos. Was able to just click on your link to get to pictures. Your crossovers are fantastic.. Chuck Bukauskas Cordova,Tn. --- Larry Schliessmann <schliess@...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > Okay I don't post much, but I do enjoy reading > the posts I receive in > email, and comment when I feel I've something > to contribute. > However, this is not one of those occasions. > Below is the link to my gallery. I've posted > some new photos of my > ongoing 4-6-6-4 project and a 14 crossover with > 4 switches project. > > I suppose you'll need to copy and paste the > link into you brower. I'm > not handy enough to create one that is linkable > (is there such a term). > > Larry Schliessmann > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains?page=8 > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46697	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: New photos

These are wonderful photos and the site has a lot of information. It appears that someone attempted to construct an articulated. If either end is fixed, then the opposite end swings out well beyond the track on the AF curved sections. Has anyone tried to use two pivot points, one about over the front driver of the forward wheel set and one over the rear driver of the fear wheel set? I had looked at this a couple of tears ago when another member was working on an articulated. I think that this is the best way for it to come close to appearing realistic. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Bukauskas To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New photos Larry, Great photos. Was able to just click on your link to get to pictures. Your crossovers are fantastic.. Chuck Bukauskas Cordova,Tn. --- Larry Schliessmann <schliess@...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > Okay I don't post much, but I do enjoy reading > the posts I receive in > email, and comment when I feel I've something > to contribute. > However, this is not one of those occasions. > Below is the link to my gallery. I've posted > some new photos of my > ongoing 4-6-6-4 project and a 14 crossover with > 4 switches project. > > I suppose you'll need to copy and paste the > link into you brower. I'm > not handy enough to create one that is linkable > (is there such a term). > > Larry Schliessmann > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains?page=8 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46698	From: 67GT	Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: gazebo

That would be great. Thank you, Lisa On 1/15/08, Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Lisa, > > I have a couple of wooden gazebos I bought from Lowe's during the > Christmas season. They were a part of the Christmas snow village > line. I am currently in the UK but could send you some photos when > I return home later this week if you would like. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, 67GT > <llaskey@...> wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > I have searched everywhere and I am hoping you can help. I am > looking for a > > gazebo. The kind you would see as a band stand or in a park. > Round, Oval, > > retangle, it doesn't matter. If you have one or can point me in > the right > > direction I would be very grateful. > > > > Lisa > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46699	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Repair Shops

Sorry, but I have been so busy with repairs and sales that I have not had time to reply before now. I apprenticed as a repairman under a Lionel Authorized Repair Shop while living in Oregon, specializing in American Flyer repairs. So when I moved back east, I set up my own shop. I have been repairing trains of all types, but specializing in AF, and been listed in both the Yellow Pages and White Pages in the Durham (NC) telephone directory since 1977. With over 30 years of experience, my burgeoning repair business created a huge demand for parts---which is what got me into the American Flyer parts business. In other words, Joe's Train Repair means just that: I am first and foremost a train repair shop. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46700	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: New Photos

Larry, you're my kind of builder! I enjoyed all your pix, especially the articulated and the Drover's Caboose. It reminds me I should take more pix of my stuff and post it. Keep on keepin' on. Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46701	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Real Life Train Set

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/11/tram_hack/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46702	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Re: New photos

Great Photos Larry! Thanks, Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org On Jan 14, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Larry Schliessmann wrote: > Hey everyone, > Okay I don't post much, but I do enjoy reading the posts I receive in > email, and comment when I feel I've something to contribute. > However, this is not one of those occasions. > Below is the link to my gallery. I've posted some new photos of my > ongoing 4-6-6-4 project and a 14 crossover with 4 switches project. > > I suppose you'll need to copy and paste the link into you brower. I'm > not handy enough to create one that is linkable (is there such a > term). > > Larry Schliessmann > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains?page=8 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46703	From: Timboy	Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: New photos

Hi Larry, You are doing some terrific work! It's nice to see that there are now two of us on this List who are building their own switches from what looks like vintage track rails. It can be done and is a great way to expand the functionality of a Flyer-based RR. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46704	From: dphobbies	Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Commercial - ACF Centerflow Hoppers

We have received another shipment from China and it contains our first Pacific Rail Classic - the ACF 3 bay centerflow hopper. There are 5 paint schemes covering th 60's through today. They are Southern Pacific (gray), Chessie System (blue-yellow), Montana Rail Link (blue), Burlington Northern (green), and Sclair (orange-white). All come completely assembled the Flyer compatible trucks/couplers installed and include scale wheels in the box. Multiple road numbers are available for each road. The SP, BN, and MLR cars are $44.98, and the CS and Sclair are $47.98 each due to slightly higher production/paint cost. This is the first former PRS car and still includes the fine detail of the original kits, except now they come completely finished. All preorders have been shipped. Regards Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee St Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46705	From: barb	Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: Real Life Train Set

Yikes! Amazing what kids can do these days. Even more amazing is that they actually DO it!!! Barb -----Original Message----- >From: Patrick McElroy <pmcelroy@...> >Sent: Jan 16, 2008 6:37 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [S-Trains] Real Life Train Set > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/11/tram_hack/ > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46706	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: New photos

Hi Larry; Great photos!! thanks for posting the link! I like your smokin RB! It appears to me you are ripe for moving to DCC!!! Cheers Phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Schliessmann" <schliess@...> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > Okay I don't post much, but I do enjoy reading the posts I receive in > email, and comment when I feel I've something to contribute. > However, this is not one of those occasions. > Below is the link to my gallery. I've posted some new photos of my > ongoing 4-6-6-4 project and a 14 crossover with 4 switches project. > > I suppose you'll need to copy and paste the link into you brower. I'm > not handy enough to create one that is linkable (is there such a term). > > Larry Schliessmann > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Larry-Schliessmanns-Flyer-Trains? page=8 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46707	From: Peter Gagnon	Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Invitation: San Diego Area S Group Formation

This post is to invite any interested members of this list to a meeting to discuss formation of an S group or club in the San Diego, CA area. The meeting will be this Saturday, January 19 at 1:30 pm. I'm hosting it at my home, so please contact me off list if you'd like to participate and I'll send you address and direction. If you can't attend but are interested, let me know that as well and I'll let you know what progress we make. Regards.... Peter Gagnon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46708	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: infra-red detection & control of trains

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 46709	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: roadbed update

I wrote last week that I ordered my roadbed for the layout and that I heard from the manufacturer that it takes three weeks to get the order out in the mail. They only take checks and MO's which is find. I sent them a check, thinking in today's world, it would take no longer than 5 days for the check to clear. Well, it took 10, so that is the reason why it takes 3 weeks to get a order out. They probably make the product, once the check clears, which is fine too, but I had no idea it would take so long for the check to clear. Live and learn. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46710	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: New photos

Tim wrote: It's nice to see that there are now two of us on this List who are building their own switches. Hi Tim and All, I, too, build my own turnouts from 148 rail. I also build from SHS rail as well. Please have a look at some of my work at www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> . Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46711	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: Trestle set?

Thanks Don, appreciate it. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Dear Jordan, > Woodland scenics makes foam elevations and risers that we use on our > 5' X 9' display layout. I know that the AF trestles will not support > our track unless you add either a strip of plywood or metal under our > track. > Best regards, > Don > > jhl1963 wrote: > > > Anybody make a trestle set that can be used with S-Trax? Thanks, Jordan > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46712	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed update

Hi Mike: Well, 10 days is a little long for a check to clear - it should be more like 5 as you thought. Even here, where I put a US check in my Norwegian Bank's account every month it only takes about 6 days to clear and I can start drawing on the money. Unfortunately, about three years ago they lost the check - luckily I had a xerox copy of it with their stamp, etc. and just this month they returned the check to me saying it was too old (it was a check drawn on my account in the US, made out to me, and endorsed by me for deposit only) - I had inadvertently put 2007 on Jan 4th, so that delayed money getting into the account. We also have the problem that here they put the day first, while on US checks we put the month first (in Norway it is 4/1/08 vs in the US it is 1/4/08. Oh well, live with the situation where one is. I will definitely try to visit you for an hour or two either on Thursday Jan 31st or Fri Feb 1st. Probably will be Friday, but we will see. I will call you. I have your address (and I have an old map so I know how to get there - and I can google earth it, in any event), and your phone number is somewhere - would you please send me your phone number once again? Thanks. regards, Rance MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > > I wrote last week that I ordered my roadbed for the layout and that I > heard from the manufacturer that it takes three weeks to get the order > out in the mail. > > They only take checks and MO's which is find. I sent them a check, > thinking in today's world, it would take no longer than 5 days for the > check to clear. Well, it took 10, so that is the reason why it takes 3 > weeks to get a order out. They probably make the product, once the > check clears, which is fine too, but I had no idea it would take so > long for the check to clear. Live and learn. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __._,_ > ,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46713	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!

Hi All; I just had to comment. I began a long awaited conversion of my SHS F3 A&B units to DCC this past weekend. LokSound DCC, 1 per each unit, Kadee couplers. I started with the coupler sets,,, lets see, dig the included pieces from the original set out,,,, follow directions,, that was easy! Remove shell,,, remove the locomatic sound board, plug the decoder pin into the plug space provided,,,, hhmmmm, that was easy too. F3 A unit ready for track testing and program tweaking,,,, total elapsed time? Under 10 minutes!!! Talk about awesome engineering and thought!!! Just wanted you guys to know how appreciated it is! I bought that F3 ages ago,,, cheers Phil D

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46714	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!

Phil, You can't just plug into the F3 board. You'll blow the headlight. Bill At 12:02 PM 1/18/2008, you wrote: >Hi All; > >I just had to comment. I began a long awaited conversion of my SHS F3 >A&B units to DCC this past weekend. LokSound DCC, 1 per each unit, >Kadee couplers. > >I started with the coupler sets,,, lets see, dig the included pieces >from the original set out,,,, follow directions,, that was easy! > >Remove shell,,, remove the locomatic sound board, plug the decoder pin >into the plug space provided,,,, hhmmmm, that was easy too. > >F3 A unit ready for track testing and program tweaking,,,, total >elapsed time? Under 10 minutes!!! > >Talk about awesome engineering and thought!!! Just wanted you guys to >know how appreciated it is! I bought that F3 ages ago,,, > >cheers >Phil D > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46715	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Beaver's Electric Trains - Now on TVLand

Hello All, This morning I watched "Beaver's Electric Trains" on TVLand. They are Lionel trains but it's still a nice story that many of us, fortunately not me, may have lived through. Here is the episode guide: "June and Beaver decide that Beaver will give little Jimmy his electric trains because he hasn't played with them in over two years. However, when Beaver takes the trains out to clean them, he gets attached to them all over again and doesn't want to give them away. When Jimmy's beautiful sister Georgia goes to Beaver's house to get the trains, Wally is so spellbound by her beauty that he cannot refuse to give her the trains." Check your local listings - it plays early Sunday morning and again mid-morning on my cable system. Enjoy! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46716	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!

Ahhh Bill,,, greetings. Long time no hear from. Don't panic my friend, the headlight is alive and well. Many many folks underestimate the LokSound decoder, it is a marvel. Honestly, you should plug one in and give it a test ride. In fact, they are so good that I'm seriously considering retrofitting my Tsunami installs. LokSound steam has to be heard to be appreciated. Anyway, the headlight may not last as long as normal if I do not address it, but it might be fun to see. I'm running the headlight at reduced voltage, which you can do on individual functions with the decoder, not as good as a resistor, but fine for the short term. But, as soon as I get a chance I'm going to replace it with a 12v version. I've found that the LS decoder drives a 12v lamp with no need for resistors, and the ones I've been running in my steam conversions are doing just fine. Or, I may just leave it as is and let you know if/when it finally goes south. So far it's got about 3 hours on it in it's new configuration. Anyway, please take the post I made as it was intended, as praise for the fine work that SHS consistently puts out, in the beginning, and through time. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Clark <billclark42@...> wrote: > > Phil, > > You can't just plug into the F3 board. You'll blow the headlight. > > Bill > > At 12:02 PM 1/18/2008, you wrote: > > >Hi All; > > > >I just had to comment. I began a long awaited conversion of my SHS F3 > >A&B units to DCC this past weekend. LokSound DCC, 1 per each unit, > >Kadee couplers. > > > >I started with the coupler sets,,, lets see, dig the included pieces > >from the original set out,,,, follow directions,, that was easy! > > > >Remove shell,,, remove the locomatic sound board, plug the decoder pin > >into the plug space provided,,,, hhmmmm, that was easy too. > > > >F3 A unit ready for track testing and program tweaking,,,, total > >elapsed time? Under 10 minutes!!! > > > >Talk about awesome engineering and thought!!! Just wanted you guys to > >know how appreciated it is! I bought that F3 ages ago,,, > > > >cheers > >Phil D > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46717	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!

Great to hear, Phil! I was nervous for a minute there! I assume that LokSound lowers the voltage be pulsing it? If so, that may also shorten the bulb life, but if you are going to replace it anyway no sweat! If you are in rewiring the loco you may want to put the number board lights in series. I have been meaning to try LokSound. The biggest issue for SHS is the speakers. I assume you replaced the one in your F unit with the LokSound speakers? Bill At 03:48 PM 1/18/2008, you wrote: >Ahhh Bill,,, greetings. Long time no hear from. > >Don't panic my friend, the headlight is alive and well. Many many >folks underestimate the LokSound decoder, it is a marvel. Honestly, >you should plug one in and give it a test ride. In fact, they are so >good that I'm seriously considering retrofitting my Tsunami >installs. LokSound steam has to be heard to be appreciated. > >Anyway, the headlight may not last as long as normal if I do not >address it, but it might be fun to see. I'm running the headlight at >reduced voltage, which you can do on individual functions with the >decoder, not as good as a resistor, but fine for the short term. >But, as soon as I get a chance I'm going to replace it with a 12v >version. I've found that the LS decoder drives a 12v lamp with no >need for resistors, and the ones I've been running in my steam >conversions are doing just fine. Or, I may just leave it as is and >let you know if/when it finally goes south. So far it's got about 3 >hours on it in it's new configuration. > >Anyway, please take the post I made as it was intended, as praise for >the fine work that SHS consistently puts out, in the beginning, and >through time. > >cheers > >phil d > >--- In <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, >Bill Clark <billclark42@...> wrote: > > > > Phil, > > > > You can't just plug into the F3 board. You'll blow the headlight. > > > > Bill > > > > At 12:02 PM 1/18/2008, you wrote: > > > > >Hi All; > > > > > >I just had to comment. I began a long awaited conversion of my SHS >F3 > > >A&B units to DCC this past weekend. LokSound DCC, 1 per each unit, > > >Kadee couplers. > > > > > >I started with the coupler sets,,, lets see, dig the included >pieces > > >from the original set out,,,, follow directions,, that was easy! > > > > > >Remove shell,,, remove the locomatic sound board, plug the decoder >pin > > >into the plug space provided,,,, hhmmmm, that was easy too. > > > > > >F3 A unit ready for track testing and program tweaking,,,, total > > >elapsed time? Under 10 minutes!!! > > > > > >Talk about awesome engineering and thought!!! Just wanted you guys >to > > >know how appreciated it is! I bought that F3 ages ago,,, > > > > > >cheers > > >Phil D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46718	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Beaver's Electric Trains - Now on TVLand

So Bull is this what FL grads with Chemistry degrees do on Saturday mornings. Just having some fun. Thanks for the information. Sound like a great show, even if it is that 3 rail stuff. Enjoy. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Beaver's Electric Trains - Now on TVLand Hello All, This morning I watched "Beaver's Electric Trains" on TVLand. They are Lionel trains but it's still a nice story that many of us, fortunately not me, may have lived through. Here is the episode guide: "June and Beaver decide that Beaver will give little Jimmy his electric trains because he hasn't played with them in over two years. However, when Beaver takes the trains out to clean them, he gets attached to them all over again and doesn't want to give them away. When Jimmy's beautiful sister Georgia goes to Beaver's house to get the trains, Wally is so spellbound by her beauty that he cannot refuse to give her the trains." Check your local listings - it plays early Sunday morning and again mid-morning on my cable system. Enjoy! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46719	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!

But Bill, will cow on track work with DCC!? That is the real important issue. Just kidding, as probably not, so I will hook it up just to have Ms. Cow go over the track. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Clark To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!! Great to hear, Phil! I was nervous for a minute there! I assume that LokSound lowers the voltage be pulsing it? If so, that may also shorten the bulb life, but if you are going to replace it anyway no sweat! If you are in rewiring the loco you may want to put the number board lights in series. I ....................... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46720	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Beaver's Electric Trains - Now on TVLand

Hi Mike, I'm just back from Bristol, UK so I'm still 5 hours ahead of myself. And to add to the confusion it is snowing here in Atlanta today with a prediction of 2 - 3 inches on my side of town before it stops. They are predicting up to 6 inches on the south side - go figure. There is a train show today and tomorrow so hopefully the weather will cooperate tomorrow. I don't mind driving in snow and with some ice patches but I don't want to get out with these Atlanta drivers who can hardly drive when it's dry and sunny - lol! And not to be nit-picky but that is a UF chemical engineering degree - hahaha! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > So Bull is this what FL grads with Chemistry degrees do on Saturday mornings. > > Just having some fun........................ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46721	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Gazebo - Photos Posted

I have posted several photos of the gazebo I purchased at Kmart for my layout. It is a wooden structure and I bought it several years ago. It was made in 2002 by Lemax for Kmart. They may still be available during the holiday season or maybe through Lemax. You can view the photos at: http://tinyurl.com/37l6b3 Please check out my other photo galleries as well as those of your other S-Trains group members. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46722	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Train Show in Troy Mich Sunday

There's a big train show at the Athens High School, 4333 John R, Troy Michigan, tomorrow, Sunday 20 Jan 08. I will be there with new stuff from S-Scale America (Des Plaines Hobbies) and lots of other good stuff. Tom Hawley Michigan Models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46723	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!

Hi Bill; Speakers,,, yes, the 8 ohm versions have to go. Actually, after a huge amount of playing with LokSound speaker options, I have standardized on what is loosly referred to as the "Bass Reflex" speaker. These are produced in both 8 and 100 ohm versions, and I guess in a couple different sizes now. They run $12.50 and are available from a couple different places, both great vendors. They have been discussed on several yahoo groups, and in this list also I seem to recall. They are absolutely, positively, the best speakers I have ever used for DCC. They come sealed and ported, and produce an audible bass boost, which is just what you need for diesel, and it doesn't hurt steam a bit either. I use the large size for S, and in your wonderful F3, there is scads of room once you remove all that locomatic stuff. I set it on the chassis cross piece just ahead of the 14 pin plug in point, secured with some kapton tape, and let the rest of it reside on the black insulator that covers the motor. It's actually too loud, although Tim Brown would dispute that, ha! If you want to hear examples of both steam and diesel running LokSound and BR speakers in S conversions, check out youtube, do a search for "Barney6812" at the opening screen, that should result in 5 video clips that I made and posted there. 2 of them are of my 342 conversion, and the other 3 are an American Models E-8 that I put LokSound in. Both have the large bass reflex speaker installed, and in the video, they are not running at full volume. Yes,,,, The decoder pulses the voltage to the lamps if you dim them, if you let it run bright it drops about 4 volts through the decoder, but I think it's pure, guess I should put my scope on it,,,,, I run my DCC system at 16v, and I get 12v at the common (blue) wire. It's easy to enable the number boards on the F3 btw, just take the screws out of the 14pin plug in board, tip it back and solder a jumper to pin3, then you can plug the jumper into the pin 10 position for the # boards, pin 3 on the LS is aux1 (green), so all you have to do is enable it and set the brightness down, or do it correctly and put a resistor in there somplace. (I use one of the M/U wires to make the jumper, the pins plug right into your circuit board, as does the LS 8 pin plug) It's a very fast install for initial testing, and then you can tweak as desired. good day to you! phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Clark <billclark42@...> wrote: > > Great to hear, Phil! I was nervous for a minute there! > > I assume that LokSound lowers the voltage be pulsing it? If so, that > may also shorten the bulb life, but if you are going to replace it > anyway no sweat! If you are in rewiring the loco you may want to put > the number board lights in series. > > I have been meaning to try LokSound. The biggest issue for SHS is the > speakers. I assume you replaced the one in your F unit with the > LokSound speakers? > > Bill > > At 03:48 PM 1/18/2008, you wrote: > > >Ahhh Bill,,, greetings. Long time no hear from. > > > >Don't panic my friend, the headlight is alive and well. Many many > >folks underestimate the LokSound decoder, it is a marvel. Honestly, > >you should plug one in and give it a test ride. In fact, they are so > >good that I'm seriously considering retrofitting my Tsunami > >installs. LokSound steam has to be heard to be appreciated. > > > >Anyway, the headlight may not last as long as normal if I do not > >address it, but it might be fun to see. I'm running the headlight at > >reduced voltage, which you can do on individual functions with the > >decoder, not as good as a resistor, but fine for the short term. > >But, as soon as I get a chance I'm going to replace it with a 12v > >version. I've found that the LS decoder drives a 12v lamp with no > >need for resistors, and the ones I've been running in my steam > >conversions are doing just fine. Or, I may just leave it as is and > >let you know if/when it finally goes south. So far it's got about 3 > >hours on it in it's new configuration. > > > >Anyway, please take the post I made as it was intended, as praise for > >the fine work that SHS consistently puts out, in the beginning, and > >through time. > > > >cheers > > > >phil d > > > >--- In <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>S- Trains@yahoogroups.com, > >Bill Clark <billclark42@> wrote: > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > You can't just plug into the F3 board. You'll blow the headlight. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > At 12:02 PM 1/18/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > >Hi All; > > > > > > > >I just had to comment. I began a long awaited conversion of my SHS > >F3 > > > >A&B units to DCC this past weekend. LokSound DCC, 1 per each unit, > > > >Kadee couplers. > > > > > > > >I started with the coupler sets,,, lets see, dig the included > >pieces > > > >from the original set out,,,, follow directions,, that was easy! > > > > > > > >Remove shell,,, remove the locomatic sound board, plug the decoder > >pin > > > >into the plug space provided,,,, hhmmmm, that was easy too. > > > > > > > >F3 A unit ready for track testing and program tweaking,,,, total > > > >elapsed time? Under 10 minutes!!! > > > > > > > >Talk about awesome engineering and thought!!! Just wanted you guys > >to > > > >know how appreciated it is! I bought that F3 ages ago,,, > > > > > > > >cheers > > > >Phil D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46724	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Beaver's Electric Trains - Now on TVLand

Bull, Welcome home. See anything train related. Of course, I meant UF, as I thought FL was the way to say you school, as I did not say FSU! Go Terps, leading UNC at the half. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Beaver's Electric Trains - Now on TVLand Hi Mike, I'm just back from Bristol, UK so I'm still 5 hours ahead of myself. And to add to the confusion it is snowing here in Atlanta today with a prediction of 2 - 3 inches on my side of town before it stops. They are predicting up to 6 inches on the south side - go figure. There is a train show today and tomorrow so hopefully the weather will cooperate tomorrow. I don't mind driving in snow and with some ice patches but I don't want to get out with these Atlanta drivers who can hardly drive when it's dry and sunny - lol! And not to be nit-picky but that is a UF chemical engineering degree - hahaha! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > So Bull is this what FL grads with Chemistry degrees do on Saturday mornings. > > Just having some fun........................ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46725	From: Timboy	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Kudos to Don and team SHS for engineering and foresight!!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote: > It's actually too loud, although Tim Brown would dispute that, ha! Eh! What's that you say Phil! Speak up! Heheheheheheh.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46726	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/20/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 20, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46727	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: chat

Ok, since the reminder just posted, I have a question about the link, which I have never gotten to work...I can get to Carl's web page but anything beyond that won't work.....and I can't see a link from Carl's page to the chat site...is there one? gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46728	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: chat

Well, ok it worked this time, but will it work tomorrow evening? gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46729	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: chat

Only the "Shadow" knows. > Well, ok it worked this time, but will it work tomorrow evening? > > gale hall > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46730	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: chat

There is a link on the home page http://www.tuveson.com to the chat room. Works for me.. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gale Hall Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] chat Ok, since the reminder just posted, I have a question about the link, which I have never gotten to work...I can get to Carl's web page but anything beyond that won't work.....and I can't see a link from Carl's page to the chat site...is there one? gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46731	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer repairs

I did Flyer repairs for over 20 years for six hobby shops in the Chicago land area. Even re bush the diesel and hand car motors. Tom David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46732	From: barb	Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: chat

Carl, Glad you posted a link on your home page. It worked for me!!! See you tomorrow night on chat at halftime of the football game. Barb -----Original Message----- >From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> >Sent: Jan 19, 2008 10:14 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] chat > >There is a link on the home page http://www.tuveson.com to the chat room. > >Works for me.. > >Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46733	From: barb	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gazebo - Photos Posted

Hey Bull, Welcome home! Say, what AF engine do you have the Gazebo pictured with? (Hummmm... Not supposed to end a sentence in a preposition. Let's try again...) Say, In front of which AF engine is that gazebo pictured? (That's better!) Barb ;-) -----Original Message----- >From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> >Sent: Jan 19, 2008 2:54 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Gazebo - Photos Posted > >I have posted several photos of the gazebo I purchased at Kmart for my >layout. It is a wooden structure and I bought it several years ago. >It was made in 2002 by Lemax for Kmart. They may still be available >during the holiday season or maybe through Lemax. You can view the >photos at: > >http://tinyurl.com/37l6b3 > >Please check out my other photo galleries as well as those of your >other S-Trains group members. > >BG1 > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46734	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi everyone, I just finished converting a Mail Pick-up Car, Unloading Car and the MO & JO Lumber Unloading Car so that they will operate on DCC track voltage. Re-working the internal wiring on those cars had me stumped a while, but I figured it out. They operate very well now. I kept the vintage trucks on but replaced the wheels with SHS wheel-sets. If you would like to see a pic of the conversions, you can either copy/paste this link or just simply click on it: http://home.att.net/~timboy/MyTrainLayout.html There are also pics of the current state of my layout at that site. While it may not all be up to "Even-Barb" standard, it's a work-in- progress. As soon as I am done converting all my roster to DCC, I'll want to start improving roads, making buildings from either scratch or kit - adding to and replacing Plasticville as I go. I need to do more scenery upgrades as well. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46735	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: chat

<<<<See you tomorrow night on chat at halftime of the football game.>>>> But Barb.......THE game will be over by that time, so no problem! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46736	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Truscott Set Cowboy and Indian Figures

Good Morning All, I have been attempting to find a detail, upclose picture of the cowboy and indian plastic figures that were included with the Truscott sets. Im hoping someone out there has these available to provide some information, possibly pictures of the figures. Thanks again for any possible help, I enjoy this list and the folks on it. Regards, Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46737	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: . Re: Beaver's Electric Trains - Now on TVLand

I'm wondering if any one might have made a copy of this episode. I might be able to purchase. I'd like to have a copy... Thank's, Jeff S...... Jeff Silvera Sacramento,Ca.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46738	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Tim, Can you give a detailed explanation with schematics on how you did the conversion of the mail car to DCC? Thanks, Steve Lunde Timboy wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I just finished converting a Mail Pick-up Car, Unloading Car and the > MO & JO Lumber Unloading Car so that they will operate on DCC track > voltage. Re-working the internal wiring on those cars had me stumped > a while, but I figured it out. They operate very well now. I kept > the vintage trucks on but replaced the wheels with SHS wheel-sets. > If you would like to see a pic of the conversions, you can either > copy/paste this link or just simply click on it: > > http://home.att.net/~timboy/MyTrainLayout.html > <http://home.att.net/%7Etimboy/MyTrainLayout.html> > > There are also pics of the current state of my layout at that site. > While it may not all be up to "Even-Barb" standard, it's a work-in- > progress. As soon as I am done converting all my roster to DCC, I'll > want to start improving roads, making buildings from either scratch > or kit - adding to and replacing Plasticville as I go. I need to do > more scenery upgrades as well. > > S-Happens! > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46739	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Won't make Chat tonite

Hi all, I won't be there tonite, as yesterday AM my Dad had a stroke (while driving the car down I-80-- my Mom saved the day!). While he's doing well, we will be in Davis with he and Mom helping figure out what to do next for rehab, etc. I'll post y'all later. S' David Dewey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46740	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gazebo - Photos Posted

I was guessing a 282, maybe a 283. Rick. > Hey Bull, > > Welcome home! > > Say, what AF engine do you have the Gazebo pictured with? > (Hummmm... Not supposed to end a sentence in a preposition. > Let's try again...) > Say, In front of which AF engine is that gazebo pictured? > (That's better!) > > Barb ;-) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46741	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gazebo - Photos Posted

Hi Barb, The gazebo is pictured in front of an AF 283 4-6-2 Pacific. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: > > Hey Bull, > > Welcome home! > > Say, what AF engine do you have the Gazebo pictured with? > (Hummmm... Not supposed to end a sentence in a preposition. > Let's try again...) > Say, In front of which AF engine is that gazebo pictured? > (That's better!) > > Barb ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> > >Sent: Jan 19, 2008 2:54 PM > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [S-Trains] Gazebo - Photos Posted > > > >I have posted several photos of the gazebo I purchased at Kmart for my > >layout. It is a wooden structure and I bought it several years ago. > >It was made in 2002 by Lemax for Kmart. They may still be available > >during the holiday season or maybe through Lemax. You can view the > >photos at: > > > >http://tinyurl.com/37l6b3 > > > >Please check out my other photo galleries as well as those of your > >other S-Trains group members. > > > >BG1 > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46742	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi Tim, Nice looking layout. Are you saying that the AF Action cars will not work with DCC? Unless you change some wiring on the cars? Let me know. Thanks, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Action cars converted for use on DCC Hi everyone, I just finished converting a Mail Pick-up Car, Unloading Car and the MO & JO Lumber Unloading Car so that they will operate on DCC track voltage. Re-working the internal wiring on those cars had me stumped a while, but I figured it out. They operate very well now. I kept the vintage trucks on but replaced the wheels with SHS wheel-sets. If you would like to see a pic of the conversions, you can either copy/paste this link or just simply click on it: http://home.att.net/~timboy/MyTrainLayout.html There are also pics of the current state of my layout at that site. While it may not all be up to "Even-Barb" standard, it's a work-in- progress. As soon as I am done converting all my roster to DCC, I'll want to start improving roads, making buildings from either scratch or kit - adding to and replacing Plasticville as I go. I need to do more scenery upgrades as well. S-Happens! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46743	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Atlanta Great Train Expo

Hi All, I just returned from the Atlanta Great Train Expo. The snow is quickly melting and it is a bright sunny day here. Traffic was light on the way to the show but was picking up leaving the show. There was a lot of AF availabe at the show for a change - probably the most AF I've seen at an Atlanta show. The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers-Georgia Division had their layout operating. I found the following rolling stock under a table and purchased these NIB cars for $30/each: TTOS 2003 6-48231 Linde Gas box/tank car TTOS 2003 6-48229 Denver Convention D&RGW single dome tank car TTOS 2004 6-48236 BNSF Icicle reefer TTOS 2005 6-48239 Gilbert's Grade A Milk tank car Always remember to look under the tables!!!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46744	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Truscott Set Cowboy and Indian Figures

TOM...... Mine are somewhere in the train room.... Maybe next time I come to Orlando I will throw the set in the car..... Bob -------------- Original message from TWesthelle@...: -------------- Good Morning All, I have been attempting to find a detail, upclose picture of the cowboy and indian plastic figures that were included with the Truscott sets. Im hoping someone out there has these available to provide some information, possibly pictures of the figures. Thanks again for any possible help, I enjoy this list and the folks on it. Regards, Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46745	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Just a follow up to DCC, as I really know nothing about it, as soon I plan on getting power to my layout, once the roadbed is down. I have not purchased anything in DCC yet. What I am learning that anything connected to the track, that is a AF accessory will not work with DCC? Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Action cars converted for use on DCC Hi Tim, Nice looking layout. Are you saying that the AF Action cars will not work with DCC? Unless you change some wiring on the cars? Let me know. Thanks, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Action cars converted for use on DCC Hi everyone, I just finished converting a Mail Pick-up Car, Unloading Car and the MO & JO Lumber Unloading Car so that they will operate on DCC track voltage. Re-working the internal wiring on those cars had me stumped a while, but I figured it out. They operate very well now. I kept the vintage trucks on but replaced the wheels with SHS wheel-sets. If you would like to see a pic of the conversions, you can either copy/paste this link or just simply click on it: http://home.att.net/~timboy/MyTrainLayout.html There are also pics of the current state of my layout at that site. While it may not all be up to "Even-Barb" standard, it's a work-in- progress. As soon as I am done converting all my roster to DCC, I'll want to start improving roads, making buildings from either scratch or kit - adding to and replacing Plasticville as I go. I need to do more scenery upgrades as well. S-Happens! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46746	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: chat

In a message dated 1/19/2008 11:28:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcespeak@... writes: See you tomorrow night on chat at halftime of the football game. Cheerleader??? Jim **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46747	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Won't make Chat tonite

Sorry to hear -- Best wishes for a full recovery! Bill Winans yesterday AM my Dad had a stroke -- David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46748	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi, The technical explanation of why action cars won't work on DCC track voltage escapes me. However, the gist of it is that it's due to two reasons: 1) the AC voltage is split equally between both rails, and 2) the AC voltage is at a much higher frequency. There is a fix for the action cars that rely on a solenoid plunger. I know of no fix presently for the action cars that use a vibrator. Seems that since the AC voltage is at such a high frequency, it can't be used to build a magnetic field on the old vintage coils. Maybe someday someone will come out with a coil that will vibrate, although it will be very rapid and maybe that would be an improvement. The game is on now so this is all I can post right now. I'll follow up later. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46749	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/20/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 20, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46750	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Dear Tim, I wonder if it is possible to add a decoder to the action car, assign an address and either use the motor controls or one of the functions to either operate the car or turn on a relay to use track power to make the solenoid operate? Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46751	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi, Again, I'm sure there is a technical explanation of my fix to action cars so they can operate off DCC voltage and if anyone wants to chime in on that technical explanation, please do not hesitate to do so. However, in layman's terms, what I do is to "gather up" or re- polarize the AC voltage from both rails. I do this by embedding a bridge rectifier within the body or underneath the body of the action car. If space is a problem, then just use diodes. But that is merely a variation on a theme. An altogether different approach may be to use a capacitor. A disadvantage of that could be the limitation of how many times you can activate the car off one "charge". In the case of the mail car - no problem. In the case of the package unloader, I don't know because I've never tried it. Using my method, both rail pick-ups route into the AC leads of the rectifier. The DC "+" off the rectifier goes to one side of the coil and the DC "-" lead to the other. It may be necessary to switch those leads if it doesn't work the first time. Then I place the action car on the rails where I want a car trip located and turn the DCC on. I use a test lead to touch one rail and the action lever. If it works, that is the rail I target. If it doesn't, then I try the other rail. One or the other rail makes it work. After I find out which one, I take a feeder from that rail and route it through a conventional control button and back out to the car action trip. The car works. Maybe with not quite the snap that it used to on conventional AC, but plenty good enough. Here is my challenge to the members on this List. Come up with another way, even if it's merely a variation on this theme. And if anyone can come up with a way to make vibrator cars - such as the cattle car work, then please let us all know. I can think of one way, but I feel that it's not safe and I can't recommend it. Good luck! S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46752	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Won't make Chat tonite

Dear David, Robin and I wish you father a rapid recovery. Best wishes, Don David Dewey wrote: > Hi all, > I won't be there tonite, as yesterday AM my Dad had a stroke (while > driving the car down I-80-- my Mom saved the day!). While he's doing > well, we will be in Davis with he and Mom helping figure out what to > do next for rehab, etc. I'll post y'all later. > S' > David Dewey > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46753	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Thanks Tim. I see my knowledge on all is stuff is real limited. If not for Tim's email I would of gotten the DCC and then find out about the action cars. And I don't think I am talented enough to do what Tim did to his action cars. I am kind of heart broken about this situation. Accessories like this make a non scale layout more interesting and fun. I guess I will go with the old fashion transformers and and have two separate power lines. One to the outside line and then one to the inside line with the side lines for the accessories. Oh well. Thanks for listening. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC Hi, Again, I'm sure there is a technical explanation of my fix to action cars so they can operate off DCC voltage and if anyone wants to chime in on that technical explanation, please do not hesitate to do so. However, in layman's terms, what I do is to "gather up" or re- polarize the AC voltage from both rails. I do this by embedding a bridge rectifier within the body or underneath the body of the action car. If space is a problem, then just use diodes. But that is merely a variation on a theme. An altogether different approach may be to use a capacitor. A disadvantage of that could be the limitation of how many times you can activate the car off one "charge". In the case of the mail car - no problem. In the case of the package unloader, I don't know because I've never tried it. Using my method, both rail pick-ups route into the AC leads of the rectifier. The DC "+" off the rectifier goes to one side of the coil and the DC "-" lead to the other. It may be necessary to switch those leads if it doesn't work the first time. Then I place the action car on the rails where I want a car trip located and turn the DCC on. I use a test lead to touch one rail and the action lever. If it works, that is the rail I target. If it doesn't, then I try the other rail. One or the other rail makes it work. After I find out which one, I take a feeder from that rail and route it through a conventional control button and back out to the car action trip. The car works. Maybe with not quite the snap that it used to on conventional AC, but plenty good enough. Here is my challenge to the members on this List. Come up with another way, even if it's merely a variation on this theme. And if anyone can come up with a way to make vibrator cars - such as the cattle car work, then please let us all know. I can think of one way, but I feel that it's not safe and I can't recommend it. Good luck! S-Happens! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46754	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: chat

Doug, THE real game is on now. I am glad my order from you is out! Hee Hee. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: chat <<<<See you tomorrow night on chat at halftime of the football game.>>>> But Barb.......THE game will be over by that time, so no problem! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46755	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi Don, I thought about that approach, but there were two reasons why I didn't want to do it: 1) too expensive, and 2) since the problem is that the AC voltage is split from say, 14 volts on one rail to 7 volts on each rail, then there simply isn't enough voltage from one rail to energize the electromagnet. There will be a follow-up post from me before this note is posted explaining how I "gather up" the split voltage. I'm wondering, however for the sake of pure research, if a capacitor and a decoder could be combined - given there is enough room in the action car. There would be in both the mail car and the package unloader. The decoder wouldn't have to be a high-end one. A T4 might work at a fraction of the cost. There you go guys. There is another challenge! If someone at chat tonight comes up with a better idea, please post it! S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46756	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi, I hear you Mike. This topic should have been discussed a year or two ago on this List, but it wasn't. Here is another consideration. My DCC system is 10 amps. I have a choice of three track voltages to use: 13.8v, 18v or 23v. I have it set on 18v, which means I get about 9v per rail - not enough to activate an action car unless I "fix" it first. I don't want to set a 10 amp system at 23v for fear of damaging a component, burning out a smoke box or welding my wedding band to a rail, should the short- circuit protection chip suddenly fail. If I had a 5 amp system, maybe I would set it at 23v and get about 11.5v per rail and that may be enough to activate some action cars. I don't know. Is there anyone on this List who would like to conduct an experiment to see if their system can be adjusted safely so that an action car would work? Even so, I can't see how a vibrator car would work. Mike, buy a repro action car and teach yourself how to modify it per my instructions or someone else's who might have found a better way. That way you won't permanently damage a vintage piece. I am buying the repro accessories to use on my little RR because they are a whole lot more reliable than the vintage ones, generally. I agree with Mike that the allure of Flyer and DCC is that we can have a train system that can run in a prototypical manner, with full smoke, sound and action. We still have to work some of the bugs out of it and/or maybe just live with a compromise. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46757	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy The technical explanation of why action cars won't work on DCC track voltage escapes me. However, . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > Is your belief that they won't work based on trying it or only on theory? If we're talking about the cars like the side dumper, that are activated by an outside third-rail and a push button, it seems to me that the voltage is applied, and therefore the current passes via only one track rail, thru the car, then via that outside third rail back to the source, which is the constant 15 (or whatever it is) volt posts of a totally separate AF transformer. There's no reason why DCC voltage applied between the two running rails would have any bearing. It would be like a common rail system, which does work if you know what you're doing. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46758	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Thanks Tim. I had no idea that these things would not work with DCC. That is so disappointing. Again, I have no idea how DCC works. But why couldn't these accessories be incorporated in DCC to work them? Choice of three track voltages? Now my head is really spinning! LOL I think building the table was easier. LOL I will look into your suggestion and give it a try. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC Hi, I hear you Mike. This topic should have been discussed a year or two ago on this List, but it wasn't. Here is another consideration. My DCC system is 10 amps. I have a choice of three track voltages to use: 13.8v, 18v or 23v. I have it set on 18v, which means I get about 9v per rail - not enough to activate an action car unless I "fix" it first. I don't want to set a 10 amp system at 23v for fear of damaging a component, burning out a smoke box or welding my wedding band to a rail, should the short- circuit protection chip suddenly fail. If I had a 5 amp system, maybe I would set it at 23v and get about 11.5v per rail and that may be enough to activate some action cars. I don't know. Is there anyone on this List who would like to conduct an experiment to see if their system can be adjusted safely so that an action car would work? Even so, I can't see how a vibrator car would work. Mike, buy a repro action car and teach yourself how to modify it per my instructions or someone else's who might have found a better way. That way you won't permanently damage a vintage piece. I am buying the repro accessories to use on my little RR because they are a whole lot more reliable than the vintage ones, generally. I agree with Mike that the allure of Flyer and DCC is that we can have a train system that can run in a prototypical manner, with full smoke, sound and action. We still have to work some of the bugs out of it and/or maybe just live with a compromise. S-Happens! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46759	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi Tom, I'm talking from experience. But don't take my word for it. Experiment and post your results. Don't forget that a DCC system splits the voltage equally between both rails, so 15v reads at 7.5v per rail - not enough to activate any car. Conventional AC voltage alternates it's 15v from rail to rail. DCC splits it. Hear me now and believe me later... S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46760	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars on DCC -- Part Two

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer . . . . . I had no idea that these things would not work with DCC. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > In model railroading they even throw track switches (turnouts) using the DCC controls, just by pushing buttons on the same thing you hold in your hand to control the locomotive. I'm just getting into DCC, so don't ask me how it's done. All I know is that there are special decoders for such things as track switches (I think). That may be beyond what you want, but it can be done, and so controlling your AF action cars by DCC ought to be possible too. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46761	From: Timboy	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi, Tom, I had to re-read your posting. You are advocating mixing AC voltage from a separate transformer with a DCC system. Whoa! I've never tried that nor am I likely to. I have no idea what the result would be and I'm not willing to risk damaging my DCC equipment, even though it's circuitry is protected. Please try it on your or a friend's DCC system and report back to the List. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46762	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: USM rocket

Does anyone have any guestimate on what a original USM red and white rocket in E condition might go for by itself. I do not need one, but I am curious on any thoughts on this. It is a hard rocket to find, as I know they came in some Erector sets too. Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46763	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

I have been following this discussion about converting the action cars on DCC. Don your idea is exactly what I did about a year ago. I currently have the coal car 917, the automobile dump car 715 and the log dump car 717 all operating on DCC. NO and I reiterate no side rail is needed to operate any of these cars. They will operate anywhere on the layout when sent thedigital info to do so. Each car first was upgraded by making it essentally like a a lighted passenger car so that I got power from both rails. Then I took the power from both rails and fed it to a bridge rectifier. Remember that the DCC signal is really a type of AC voltage The AC voltage when rectified to DC will power any of the magnets on the operating cars. Also add to the power pickup from both rails a reasonably priced decoder red and black wires to the rails . Next use the blue wire and in the case of the decoder that I used the green wire . Feed them to a reed relay. Feed one of the wires coming from the DC side of the rectifier through the reed relay to the car operating coil and connect the other DC leg to the other side of the coil. Now you have a reed relay that can be turned on and off by calling up its digital address. say 717. I use the NCE operating system. The blue and green wires are are turned on and off by the F 5 position on my cab control A quick push on and a quick push off of the button dumps the logs anywhere on the layout. The placement of the rectifier , reed switch and decoder was not really a problem. The only thing I regret was that I didn't use Dons powered trucks. , That would have given me eight wheel electrical power pickup instead of just four and that is an important factor in DCC operation.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46764	From: Timboy	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi, BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! I believe this is an important breakthrough in integrating vintage Flyer with DCC - historical, even. No, I'm not being a wise-guy. I truly mean it. I have a few questions. What type of decoder did you use? What DCC system are you using? What is your track voltage set at under the DCC system? Now I'm wondering if a T4 (function-only decoder) would work. Folks, I feel that this is such an important step that I am willing to subsidize it a little. To the author of this post: I don't know who you are because you didn't sign your posting and your Yahoo profile shows nothing. However, if you would send me your mailing address (which I will keep confidential), I would be happy to send you a T4 if you would please use it to duplicate your experiment and report the results back to this List. If you got this to work on an early dump car, then it should work on a later one, a mail car and a possibly a package unloader car as well. Thank you so much for sharing your experiment with this List! S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46765	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: USM rocket

Mike, Have you looked @ the Erector listings on E-Bay? Also try Googling Erector dealers. Mike in Ore./ **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46766	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Im sorry I didn't sign the post. If you remember getting a post about a month ago asking if you had converted the car to DCC operation so that you could operate it anywhere on the layout without the third rail that was me. Im Dave Pierce. Currently with Jim Lyles group PVMR We are located in the Lancaster PA area. I was for years with the South Jersey S Gaugers but at 70 its just too far to travel from where I live in PA over to South Jersey My email address is DPDB@AOL. com. I got a little confused about what you meant by a "T4" device and it looked like you were very commited to your method of operating action cars on DCC so I just let it go. I operate the NCE system Pro Cab wiith a 10 amp booster. The decoder I used to control the reed relay was a NCE D13SR. You can buy a ten pack of them on sale for about about $130.00 . Thjey are essentially an HO decoder but for operating the reed relay which is just a switch it didn't matter. DCC is a fascinating aspect of our train hobby isn't it. If my old brain can just keep up. Dave Pierce s gaugers ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46767	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Won't make Chat tonite

David, Best wishes to your Dad for a full recovery. I too had a stroke while driving on Mothers day 2006. I have exercised my way back to just shy of full recovery. Had to play with my trains!! Again best to your Dad. Barry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Dear David, > Robin and I wish you father a rapid recovery. > Best wishes, > Don > > David Dewey wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I won't be there tonite, as yesterday AM my Dad had a stroke (while > > driving the car down I-80-- my Mom saved the day!). While he's doing > > well, we will be in Davis with he and Mom helping figure out what to > > do next for rehab, etc. I'll post y'all later. > > S' > > David Dewey > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46768	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: USM rocket

Thanks Mike for that suggestion. Mike in MD, home of the Terps defeating NC!! ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] USM rocket Mike, Have you looked @ the Erector listings on E-Bay? Also try Googling Erector dealers. Mike in Ore./ **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46769	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi; I've been following the conversation, and I guess I'll toss in a couple points, fwiw. I've been running DCC on my layout for a little over 2 years now, I've converted 11 AFG, American Models, SHS and a Flyonel to DCC with 2 currently in work, and 3 more in the planning stages, so I think I've got that part down. To date I've used Tsunami, LokSound, and Digitrax decoders. I've posted a few pics on this sites photo section, and I've got some vids on YouTube, if anyone is interested. My layout is wired to work either as DCC or as original with AFG power, that's not hard, just need some switching. I power my DCC from my AFG transformers, no problem with that either. And,,,, I power all my track switches (which are all standard Gilbert) off my AFG transformers using the standard Gilbert switch controllers. If you are considering moving to DCC and you have a current layout, and it works, chances are it will work with DCC, give it a shot. In my case, I had to add an automatic reversing unit in one location, that's all the mods I needed. The track, and everything on the track, "sees" DCC as AC at the rails. The only differences are the wave frequency is way over 60hz, and the voltage is probably less, depending on your DCC system. I run mine at 16V, some folks run at 12V, and I guess some go higher. I started out at 12v on my system, but the trains were too sluggish, so I used another output selection, most systems let you select output voltage, and some let you "tweak" that to get the desired output. Typical options are N (12v), HO (16v), O/G (20v). My HO setting measured at 18v initially, and I trimmed it down to 16v, this measurement is taken by measuring from one rail to ground on the DCC unit, and from the other rail to ground, and adding the 2. Measuring across the rails does not give you the true voltage, across rails AC measurement provides an RMS voltage. 16v gives me a subjective performance of the loco as equal to what it was under original power. Any action cars using solenoids can be made to work, by applying DC to the solenoid to actuate it. You can apply the DC by using a full wave bridge as has been discussed here. To control the activation of the solenoid, you can use any DCC decoder that has a function output to drive a relay, and let the relay "turn on" the solenoid. Or you can use the Gilbert 3rd rail method as Tim has. So,,,, the T4's will work fine for running the relay, you need to have a relay that matches the voltage on the common wire (Blue), and that has a operating current of less than the max the decoder supports. Most funtions on decoders, at least the ones that are affordable, are limited to around 100ma. In general, a decoder drops 2 to 4 volts through it, for instance, in my case, running 16v DCC, I get about 12v at the common wire on a LokSound decoder. Tsunami runs a little higher, seems like. You can measure the output voltage on common on your system / decoder, then get a relay that matches up. Action cars that use a vibrator are SOL at this point, the cycle frequency of DCC is too rapid for the vibrating mass to respond to, it just starts to get moving and the direction changes and asks it to go the other way, so it just sits there and hums. They were designed to operate at 60hz. A vibrator could be made to work at the DCC frequency, it would be an interesting experiment. It seems logical that a vibrator power supply could be made using a bridge, capicitors, a timing device like a 555 IC driving 2 power transistors,,,,,, set the timing to 60hz using a R/C mix on the control pins of the 555, and use power transistors with enough oomph to power the vibrator coil, but wow, that seems like a lot of work. However, the joys of running multiple locomotives in what ever direction you want and as many on the track as your nerves will allow, with great sound and lighting, is like a whole new world with your trains. I haven't used that AC option to run old stuff in over 18 months, I'll never go back!! cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! I believe this is an important breakthrough in > integrating vintage Flyer with DCC - historical, even. No, I'm not > being a wise-guy. I truly mean it. > > I have a few questions. What type of decoder did you use? What DCC > system are you using? What is your track voltage set at under the > DCC system? > > Now I'm wondering if a T4 (function-only decoder) would work. > > Folks, I feel that this is such an important step that I am willing > to subsidize it a little. > > To the author of this post: I don't know who you are because you > didn't sign your posting and your Yahoo profile shows nothing. > However, if you would send me your mailing address (which I will keep > confidential), I would be happy to send you a T4 if you would please > use it to duplicate your experiment and report the results back to > this List. > > If you got this to work on an early dump car, then it should work on > a later one, a mail car and a possibly a package unloader car as well. > > Thank you so much for sharing your experiment with this List! > > S-Happens! > Tim Brown >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46770	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC

Ok, the quick and dirty method. Connect the third rail directly to the rail that pickup wheels are not riding. Using the analog address of "0" turned up to max voltage, the coil will actuate and dump the coal, unload the car, truck or tank and/or throw and pickup the mailbag. But, I like the added decoder much better as you can operate without a special section of track and anywhere on the layout. Best, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46771	From: barb	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: chat

Hi Jim, I was cheering for Green Bay but they lost. So yes, I was a cheerleader. Since it was -24 degrees on the field, I did my cheering from my sofa with a glass of wine. Barb -----Original Message----- >From: WJJIM@... >Sent: Jan 20, 2008 3:25 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] chat > > >In a message dated 1/19/2008 11:28:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, >rcespeak@... writes: > >See you tomorrow night on chat at halftime of the football game. > >Cheerleader??? > >Jim > > > >**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46772	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: chat

Hi Barb: Was there a football game on last night??? [Not necessary to answer, I watched both games and they finished at about 4 am here. Luckily will be in VT for a Super Bowl party (and yearly downhill skiing/gourmet dinners and wines - going on since 1971!). Oops - oh yes, a train tie. I just finished reading a book by Balducci who generally writes courtroom type fiction (and other mystery types) etc., but wrote a book about a journalist who takes the train from the East coast to the West coast just before Christmas (DC to Chicago, then to California) which has some interesting information about train travel - although I don't know how accurate it is. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) barb wrote: > > Carl, > > Glad you posted a link on your home page. It worked for me!!! > See you tomorrow night on chat at halftime of the football game. > > Barb > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Carl Tuveson <carl@... <mailto:carl%40wsbt.com>> > >Sent: Jan 19, 2008 10:14 PM > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] chat > > > >There is a link on the home page http://www.tuveson.com > <http://www.tuveson.com> to the chat room. > > > >Works for me.. > > > >Carl > > __._ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46773	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Phil I was wondering whose DCC system you are using? I myself use the NCE system. Thus far I have converted about 30 engines, One of the easiest was Ron Bashistas ABA Alco set. Just dropped an NCE decoder in both of the A units and a DSX sound decoder in the B unit It works beautifully. One of the reasons I limit myself to between 12 and 13 volts DCC is because I dont care to burn out smoke units. Its a pain in the neck to rewind them. If I go higher I would have to add a resistance load in series with them to be safe. The important thing to remember as you convert SHS units and American Models units is that Ron Bashisstas units have a hot chassie. Dons do not . That was especially inportant when it came to converting the American Model steam engines. There is a small isolating washer in the steam drive linkage that if missing can cause a short. I was wondering why you chose to go with Loksound for your F unit conversions. Don sells an excellent sound decoder for the F units . I have installed two of them. I unfortunately dont have a windows computer and there is no program written for the MAC . I guess I will have to buy a Windows laptop and the Loksound program to try it out. It would be nice to program any sounds bells whistle etc that you want too. and then again there is the new QSI program It too only was written for Windows. Well maybe I answered my own question as to why you chose not to use the Tsunami decoder that SHS sells. Cheers Dave Pierce. ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46774	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Layout/Grade help please

With the help of alot of you here, I have been planning for my future layout. John Davis was gracious enough to send me the old Hirsh layout book and I've found a layout I really like, however I'm having a bit of difficulty disecting it. There is one loop that appears to go above the other loop however in some areas it appears to go above the track after it just came from a switch not too far away (I dont know if I've explained it properly, I'll try to post a pic). Anyway, what type of grade can standard flyer locos take? Thanks, Jordan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46775	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

Here is the layout in question - Also, can anybody tell me where the "outside loop" or the one that appears to go over the others joins the other mainline? Thanks - this one has me scratching my heard. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/82e8?b=2&m=f&o=0

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46776	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

Looks like, when you get off that upper loop, you stay on another loop and never get back on to the upper again. gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: jhl1963 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Layout/Grade help please Here is the layout in question - Also, can anybody tell me where the "outside loop" or the one that appears to go over the others joins the other mainline? Thanks - this one has me scratching my heard. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/82e8?b=2&m=f&o=0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1235 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 9:39 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46777	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

Hi Jhl163, Can I call you ’63 for short? It looks to me as if the “siding” that connects the upper loop to the lower loop is a bit over 6 feet long (8 ½ pieces of track). If you need 4 inches of vertical clearance, that is between 5 and 6 percent (depending on the vertical transitions and the actual lengths of some of those tracks. As a kid, I had an over and under figure 8 Flyer set. It used ¾ of a circle of 20-inch radius track (9 pieces) for a distance of about nearly 8 feet to get one track over the other. The track plan you are asking about is a little steeper than the set. My Atlantic-type engine could handle the grade with ease hauling the train of about cars. I hope that helps, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jhl1963 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Layout/Grade help please Here is the layout in question - Also, can anybody tell me where the "outside loop" or the one that appears to go over the others joins the other mainline? Thanks - this one has me scratching my heard. http://ph.groups <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/82e8?b=2&m=f&o=0> yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/82e8?b=2&m=f&o=0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46778	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

Hi Jordan, I agree the only way to get on the upper loop once you have gone down to the lower loops is to back up in one of several places to be able to go forward to the upper loop. However once up there you have to back back down. Or go up in reverse then come back down in forward. Interesting I suppose. Regarding grade I have a 4% grade between my inner loop and outer loops and have no problems at all. You can check out the grade, loops and a sketch of the original layout plan at: http://tinyurl.com/28n7nk BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jhl1963" <jhl1963@...> wrote: > > With the help of alot of you here, I have been planning for my future > layout. John Davis was gracious enough to send me the old Hirsh layout > book and I've found a layout I really like, however I'm having a bit > of difficulty disecting it. There is one loop that appears to go above > the other loop however in some areas it appears to go above the track > after it just came from a switch not too far away (I dont know if I've > explained it properly, I'll try to post a pic). > > Anyway, what type of grade can standard flyer locos take? > > Thanks, > Jordan >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46779	From: Timboy	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC

Hi Don, David Pearce has given us the how-to in regards to powering an action car with DCC. His way seems very affordable but perhaps beyond the abilities of many on this List. Perhaps now is the time for a major player in the field of S Gauge to examine the possibilities of producing a DCC-ready series of Flyer-compatible action cars to complement their already marvelous roster of S Gauge items. Know anyone who might be interested? S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46780	From: Timboy	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi Dave, IMHO, you have made an important contribution to this group and to the evolution of Flyer merged with DCC. Thank you! S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46781	From: barb	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: chat

Hi Rance, Yes, I watched both games too. Funny you should mention Balducci's book, The Christmas Train. I am on chapter 21 of the very same book. It's enjoyable and from my experience with train travel, the train info seems pretty accurate. Enjoy your trip to Vermont. It sounds wonderful. Barb -----Original Message----- >From: velapoldi <velapoldi@...> >Sent: Jan 21, 2008 12:58 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] chat > >Hi Barb: >Was there a football game on last night??? [Not necessary to answer, I >watched both games and they finished at about 4 am here. Luckily will >be in VT for a Super Bowl party (and yearly downhill skiing/gourmet >dinners and wines - going on since 1971!). Oops - oh yes, a train tie. >I just finished reading a book by Balducci who generally writes >courtroom type fiction (and other mystery types) etc., but wrote a book >about a journalist who takes the train from the East coast to the West >coast just before Christmas (DC to Chicago, then to California) which >has some interesting information about train travel - although I don't >know how accurate it is. >regards, >Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > >barb wrote: >> >> Carl, >> >> Glad you posted a link on your home page. It worked for me!!! >> See you tomorrow night on chat at halftime of the football game. >> >> Barb >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Carl Tuveson <carl@... <mailto:carl%40wsbt.com>> >> >Sent: Jan 19, 2008 10:14 PM >> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >> >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] chat >> > >> >There is a link on the home page http://www.tuveson.com >> <http://www.tuveson.com> to the chat room. >> > >> >Works for me.. >> > >> >Carl >> >> __._ > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46782	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please - Five Cars

Ooops Reply from Bill Porter . My Atlantic-type engine could handle the grade with ease hauling the train of FIVE cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46783	From: Timboy	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC

Pearce = Pierce. Oops! Sorry Dave. Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46784	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

Thanks BG - those pics are very helpful. May I ask what you cut the foam with? looks great.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46785	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

Thanks everybody - very helpful - one thing I am not seeing is where does the upper loop intersect the lower loop? ie where would you enter the lower loop from the upper or upper loop from the lower? thank you so much! Jordan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46786	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

Hi Jordan, Look left of the turntable at the through track. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jhl1963 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Layout/Grade help please Thanks everybody - very helpful - one thing I am not seeing is where does the upper loop intersect the lower loop? ie where would you enter the lower loop from the upper or upper loop from the lower? thank you so much! Jordan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46787	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

The risers are from Woodland Scenics. I bought them at a hobby shop. As I recall Woodland Scenics makes pre-cut risers in 1%, 2%, 3% and 4% grade. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jhl1963" <jhl1963@...> wrote: > > Thanks BG - those pics are very helpful. May I ask what you cut the > foam with? looks great. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46788	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

Thanks Bill! One of those things where you stare at something for so long and just miss it! Appreciate everybody's help - I'm going to attempt to modify this layout in RR-Track implementing the shortcomings that everyone has pointed out. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Jordan, > > > > Look left of the turntable at the through track. > > > > Bill > > > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of jhl1963 > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:03 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Layout/Grade help please > > > > Thanks everybody - very helpful - one thing I am not seeing is where > does the upper loop intersect the lower loop? ie where would you enter > the lower loop from the upper or upper loop from the lower? thank you > so much! > > Jordan > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46789	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade Loops Clarified??

Hi Jordan, I posted some markups to your layout sketch here: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/8864 I think I properly marked the upper loop, lower loop and grade changes. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jhl1963" <jhl1963@...> wrote: > > > > Thanks Bill! One of those things where you stare at something for so > long and just miss it! Appreciate everybody's help - I'm going to > attempt to modify this layout in RR-Track implementing the > shortcomings that everyone has pointed out. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@> wrote: > > > > Hi Jordan, > > > > > > > > Look left of the turntable at the through track. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Reply from Bill Porter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf > > Of jhl1963 > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:03 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Layout/Grade help please > > > > > > > > Thanks everybody - very helpful - one thing I am not seeing is > where > > does the upper loop intersect the lower loop? ie where would you > enter > > the lower loop from the upper or upper loop from the lower? thank > you > > so much! > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46790	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC

I wonder why it took so long for this conversation to start, thanks to Tim. Again, action cars are part of many layout. I think there a solution among the emails, as Don had a great one to start with before I attempt to destroy things with Diode's. I think his suggestion is great. However, that seems not to be the case with the mail pick up car, as that has to be running. Yes, one can stop the train and pick up or throw out the bag, but that defeats the purpose of the pick up arm, if it was real life. So many something for the mail car for me wont be too difficult. Again, I am glad this conversation started now, as I had no clue about this till now, as I will be getting DCC things in Feb. But a question about DCC. Don mention to turn something to O. Okay, will that just stop the one train at a action pick up? I am not aware on how you control different trains on this system. Thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: using AF action cars on DCC Hi Don, David Pearce has given us the how-to in regards to powering an action car with DCC. His way seems very affordable but perhaps beyond the abilities of many on this List. Perhaps now is the time for a major player in the field of S Gauge to examine the possibilities of producing a DCC-ready series of Flyer-compatible action cars to complement their already marvelous roster of S Gauge items. Know anyone who might be interested? S-Happens! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46791	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC

Dear Mike, You can control one train without a decoder using the "0" address on most DCC systems. I am told that some NCE systems do not allow this without modifications. And, I think the mail car would not be a problem but would work just fine on the fly. Best, Don Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > I wonder why it took so long for this conversation to start, thanks to > Tim. > > Again, action cars are part of many layout. > > I think there a solution among the emails, as Don had a great one to > start with before I attempt to destroy things with Diode's. > > I think his suggestion is great. However, that seems not to be the > case with the mail pick up car, as that has to be running. Yes, one > can stop the train and pick up or throw out the bag, but that defeats > the purpose of the pick up arm, if it was real life. So many something > for the mail car for me wont be too difficult. > > Again, I am glad this conversation started now, as I had no clue about > this till now, as I will be getting DCC things in Feb. > > But a question about DCC. Don mention to turn something to O. Okay, > will that just stop the one train at a action pick up? I am not aware > on how you control different trains on this system. > > Thanks. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Timboy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:26 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: using AF action cars on DCC > > Hi Don, > > David Pearce has given us the how-to in regards to powering an action > car with DCC. His way seems very affordable but perhaps beyond the > abilities of many on this List. Perhaps now is the time for a major > player in the field of S Gauge to examine the possibilities of > producing a DCC-ready series of Flyer-compatible action cars to > complement their already marvelous roster of S Gauge items. Know > anyone who might be interested? > > S-Happens! > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46792	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC

Dear Tim, I would suspect a DCC Brownhoist with an operating boom that can move up and down as well as rotate and hook that could be moved up and down would actually move AF enthusists into DCC. Best regards, Don Timboy wrote: > Hi Don, > > David Pearce has given us the how-to in regards to powering an action > car with DCC. His way seems very affordable but perhaps beyond the > abilities of many on this List. Perhaps now is the time for a major > player in the field of S Gauge to examine the possibilities of > producing a DCC-ready series of Flyer-compatible action cars to > complement their already marvelous roster of S Gauge items. Know > anyone who might be interested? > > S-Happens! > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46793	From: Timboy	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC

Hi Don, I like the way you think! Seems to me that the Mail Car has been the most popular action car of all time and would be a relatively easy one to mass-produce for DCC. But hey! We'll take a Brownhoist, if you're committed <grin>. It's a start. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46794	From: Timboy	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC

Hi Mike, I think the Mail Car would be a wonderful place to start! I wouldn't go for the full DCC-ready treatment on that one because you still need it to pick up a mail bad from the mail stand anyway. Just get yourself an old mail car and follow my instructions from a previous post as to how to wire in the rectifier and how to test which rail to take a power feed from through the control button to the mail stand. When Don mentioned the "0", what he was referring to was the ability of a given DCC system to allow an operator to run ONE select vintage Flyer train at a time on DCC - provided that vintage Flyer train has been retrofit with a DC can motor first. What you do is tap in "00" as a generic address for that loco on your hand-held throttle. The loco will probably squeal some due to the high frequency of the track voltage it gets, but it will run and you will have direction/speed control of it. S-Happens, Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46795	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC

I did that already. Long story I guess I have to learn how to send attachments and take some pictures. I'll try. But in the meantime that too three decoders and was quite a project. I enjoyed looking at the pictures you posted of your layout. I'll get my digital camera out and see what I can do. They say seeing is believing. And I wouldnt blame you for thinking I am BSing you. I reallyydo have an operating crane car. Body turns left and right. Boom goes up and down and hook goes up and down. One real problem I have with this computer stuff is speed . The only thing available to me is snail speed phone line Cant even get DSL. Tried . Too far away from central office. Im out in the country so no Comcast or the likes. Y ou still didn't say what DCC system you use. Dave Pierce ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46796	From: Timboy	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: DCC Action Cars

To the SnS Guys, You guys have been noticeably quiet during this discussion of DCC action cars. Are you cooking something up for us? I am a big fan of your retro-fits. I own and operate many of them with splendid results. Would you guys consider working up a price for refitting vintage action cars to DCC for guys like Mike? I'm thinking you could offer two packages: 1)Simple insertion of either a bridge rectifier or diode bridge, and 2) Full Monty retro with a DCC decoder. Both accompanied by a set of operating instructions. What do you think? S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46797	From: Timboy	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: using AF action cars on DCC

Hi Dave, Again, you amaze me! Maybe you need a satellite dish! Anyway, I use a 10-amp Lenz DCC system. It has it's own unitized and integrated power source, so I don't use a transformer. I chose Lenz because it is NMRA compliant. Although Lenz does not have a great choice for wireless yet, I thought that if I started and stayed with a system that was NMRA compliant, I would be happiest in the long run. Time will tell. This isn't to say that other DCC systems are not good. I know of many people who use either NCE or Digitrax and are thrilled with them. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46798	From: doug_cnw	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

For me, and maybe others on the list, can you tell us what the specific parts are that you used? The bridge rectifier? The reed relay? I'm not into all the electrical specs required, so it would be a big help just to be able to order something "tried and true". Thanks, Doug --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, DPDB@... wrote: > > I have been following this discussion about converting the action cars on > DCC. Don your idea is exactly what I did about a year ago. I > currently have the coal car 917, the automobile dump car 715 and the log dump car > 717 all operating on DCC. NO and I reiterate no side rail is needed to > operate any of these cars. They will operate anywhere on the layout when sent > thedigital info to do so.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46799	From: Chris	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: The New Generation

Who says kids don't want to play with trains? Dozens injured as boy wreaks havoc by playing trains with city's trams By ALLAN HALL A Polish schoolboy who turned a city's tram network into a giant toy by manoeuvring rolling stock using a TV-style remote control has been arrested after he caused chaos on the public transport system. Adam Dabrowski, 14, described by teachers as a model pupil and an electronics genius, hacked into the public transport network in Lodz to change the track points derailing at least four trams and leaving dozens injured. The teenager had also equipped himself with a hand- drawn map of city tram junctions. He told police in Lodz in central Poland he had changed the points on tram tracks across the city for a prank. But in one incident alone 12 people were injured. The giant train set started operating at 1pm on Tuesday when a city tram driver tried to steer his vehicle on to right hand tracks, and found himself helpless to prevent it swerving to the left instead, seemingly of its own accord. The rear wagon then swung off the rails and crashed into another passing tram, hurling screaming passengers to the floor. Transport employees said they knew immediately that someone outside their staff had caused the accident. Miroslaw Micor, spokesman for Lodz police, said: "He studied the trams and the tracks for a long time and then built a device that looked like a TV remote control and used it to manoeuvre the trams and the tracks." Mr Micor added: "He had converted the TV control into a device capable of controlling all the junctions on the line and wrote in the pages of a school exercise book the best junctions to move trams around and what signals to change. "He treated it like any other schoolboy might a giant train set – but it was lucky nobody was killed. "Four trams were derailed, and others had to make emergency stops that left passengers hurt. He clearly did not think about the consequences of his actions." Dabrowski is to face charges of endangering public safety in a special juvenile court.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46800	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Truscott Set Cowboy and Indian Figures

Thanks Bob, you were the only response I had received. I am curious to see the pieces in detail, thanks again. Hope you are doing well, saw Chuck a few weeks ago, visited his home. Looked for you at the Deland show a few weeks ago, didnt see you, stay in touch. Tom **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46801	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

Hi all: It looks as though one can put put another grade track (connection) that goes from the top to the bottom, in the reverse direction that you have your current upper-lower loop connection. Then you could go up or down, and not have any problems with having to back down, etc. Rance Velapoldi Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > > Hi Jordan, > > I agree the only way to get on the upper loop once you have gone down > to the lower loops is to back up in one of several places to be able to > go forward to the upper loop. However once up there you have to back > back down. Or go up in reverse then come back down in forward. > Interesting I suppose. > > Regarding grade I have a 4% grade between my inner loop and outer loops > and have no problems at all. > > You can check out the grade, loops and a sketch of the original layout > plan at: > > http://tinyurl.com/28n7nk <http://tinyurl.com/28n7nk> > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "jhl1963" <jhl1963@...> wrote: > > > > With the help of alot of you here, I have been planning for my future > > layout. John Davis was gracious enough to send me the old Hirsh > layout > > book and I've found a layout I really like, however I'm having a bit > > of difficulty disecting it. There is one loop that appears to go > above > > the other loop however in some areas it appears to go above the track > > after it just came from a switch not too far away (I dont know if > I've > > explained it properly, I'll try to post a pic). > > > > Anyway, what type of grade can standard flyer locos take? > > > > Thanks, > > Jordan > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46802	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade Loops Clarified??

Hi all: Looking at BG1's first picture, at the bottom of the picture, lower left, there is a place labelled 34c. Go towards the right, put a left hand turnout at the first straight section in the upper loop, put a track between the upper and lower loops such that the connecting track hits the lower loop just to the right of the back of the roundhouse (put a right turnout at the first straight track after the curve). Then you can go from top loop to bottom loop, or bottom to top using one or the other of the connecting tracks. On this loop, you would have ~16 sections of track for the grade, and it would be about 1/2 of the grade track that is already in there. It does look as though you have enough room between the right and lower tracks upper and lower loops. If you don't have enought room, modify the track plan by adding a few straight tracks to make the upper loop a little bigger in that section. Rance Velapoldi, (Tranby, Norway) Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > > Hi Jordan, > > I posted some markups to your layout sketch here: > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/8864 > <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/8864> > > I think I properly marked the upper loop, lower loop and grade > changes. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "jhl1963" <jhl1963@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Bill! One of those things where you stare at something for > so > > long and just miss it! Appreciate everybody's help - I'm going to > > attempt to modify this layout in RR-Track implementing the > > shortcomings that everyone has pointed out. > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Bill Porter" <wpporter@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jordan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Look left of the turntable at the through track. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply from Bill Porter > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf > > > Of jhl1963 > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:03 PM > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Layout/Grade help please > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks everybody - very helpful - one thing I am not seeing is > > where > > > does the upper loop intersect the lower loop? ie where would you > > enter > > > the lower loop from the upper or upper loop from the lower? thank > > you > > > so much! > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46803	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi Dave; My DCC system is Digitrax. I use LokSound decoders because, IMHO, they provide the best and most flexible Diesel and Steam sounds you can get. My opinion of course. With the ability to modify the sound files, and even "roll you own", and load different sound projects, they are far more flexible in use than any other. I lost my enamourment with Tsunami, after you do about 3 of them, you realize they all sound the same. I have a couple example video clips if you wish to give it a look / listen, these display 2 of my conversions, one steam, one diesel, both LokSound v3.5. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=barney6812&search=Search if the link doesn't take you there, copy and paste it into a browser address line. Currently I'm in full scale conversion, as is Tim, of all my locos and rolling stock to SHS trucks and kadee couplers, it makes for much more civilized behaviour on the rails. He talked me into it, I'm glad I listened. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, DPDB@... wrote: > > Phil I was wondering whose DCC system you are using? I myself use the > NCE system. Thus far I have converted about 30 engines, One of the > easiest was Ron Bashistas ABA Alco set. Just dropped an NCE decoder > in both of the A units and a DSX sound decoder in the B unit It > works beautifully. One of the reasons I limit myself to between 12 and > 13 volts DCC is because I dont care to burn out smoke units. Its a pain in > the neck to rewind them. If I go higher I would have to add a resistance > load in series with them to be safe. The important thing to remember as > you convert SHS units and American Models units is that Ron Bashisstas > units have a hot chassie. Dons do not . > That was especially inportant when it came to converting the American > Model steam engines. There is a small isolating washer in the steam drive > linkage that if missing can cause a short. I was wondering why you chose > to go with Loksound for your F unit conversions. Don sells an > excellent sound decoder for the F units . I have installed two of them. I > unfortunately dont have a windows computer and there is no program written for > the MAC . I guess I will have to buy a Windows laptop and the > Loksound program to try it out. It would be nice to program any sounds bells > whistle etc that you want too. and then again there is the new QSI > program It too only was written for Windows. Well maybe I answered > my own question as to why you chose not to use the Tsunami decoder > that SHS sells. Cheers Dave Pierce. > > > > > > > > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46804	From: Timboy	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi Phil, Hee-Hee-Hee. Well Phil, it was YOU who talked me into and through DCC! YOU are the Grand Master Poohbah of DCC! Your loco conversions with electronic smoke box in sync with chuff sounds brings tears to my eyes - from all the smoke of course. Hee-Hee-Hee. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46805	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Thanks for sharing I was able to download the E8 and the steam engine. The problem for me there is dial up and I have no way around it Cant get DSL or Cable too far in the country. I know what you mean about the sound alike thing because between the DSX and the DSD units I have just about everything that soundtrax recorded. I even went to the Lenz decoder LE1835MP which is set up with a SUSI 4 pin plug to accept the Uhlenbrock sound modules but they are not quite loud enough really more for HO and programing in the CVs to make the sound changes you use CV 65 and 66 and a special formula of add in numbers. Anyway they came preprogramed to the highest volume so I didnt have to wade to deep into that murkey water. Did you buy the LOKSOUND programing unit or just use the programs that came in the Decoders. Were they the 3.5 version ? I am wondering if the max running amps are high enough for can motors being used in our new Sgauge stuff. I did burn out a soundtrax DSD in one of Dons SW9s but that ws because the motor went bad and started drawing too much amperage When I took it out and tested it it was drawing over three amps. Normally they only draw about a quarter of an amp. I always test motor amperage before doing a conversion. Oh and inspite of the fact that he does not sell the shorter SW with sound it is rather easy to put a speaker and sound decoder in it Ill shut up now . Again thanks for sharing. Dave Pierce. Oh by the way I have set up allof my flyer switches to operate on stationary decoders They have been in about 6 years now and no problems. thanks for sharing ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46806	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

If you look at the layout plan, there are tracks to go up AND down from the elevated loop. You need to have the layout plan in front of you to help with this description. If you count left to right at the middle of the plan, where the roundhouse is, there are seven tracks to the left of it, and two to the right. Counting from the left, the elevated track is the second track, the track from the higher level to the lower level is the fourth track, and the track from the lower level to the higher one is the sixth track. The third and seventh tracks are dead-end switch tracks. The elevated track is also the one on the very right side of the plan, two to the right of the roundhouse. Interesting, the track fifth from the left is part of a reverse loop. You could start running a train counter-clockwise on the lower level, and by running it through the fifth track it would start running clockwise. Sometimes it helps follow along the tracks with your finger to find out how a plan works. It looks like this is designed for sectional track, and is a pretty good plan. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09040 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46807	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Crane

Hi Don -- I think you could motivate a few us of us scale types to purchase a crane, either Bucyrus or Brownhoist, if you do as nice a job as you do on the rest of your line! A 150 ton version like the Tichy HO crane would be the cat's butt! Have fun! Bill Winans Dear Tim, I would suspect a DCC Brownhoist with an operating boom that can move up and down as well as rotate and hook that could be moved up and down would actually move AF enthusists into DCC. Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46809	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Action Cars

Tim, We both run DCC with sound and have done several conversions for others. I have been reading all the list stuff on converting action cars and it should be a piece of cake for most of them. We are considering offering the service to the public, but have not yet researched the potential cost factors. Right now, we are busy with the can motor conversions for smoke in tender units, and hand cars. You should know us well enough by now to know if it can be done, we will do it. We fund all these projects with our own money and don't require people to pre pay for our research. We spends our bucks and takes our chances....:) Steve In a message dated 01/22/2008 6:54:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, Timboy@... writes: To the SnS Guys, You guys have been noticeably quiet during this discussion of DCC action cars. Are you cooking something up for us? I am a big fan of your retro-fits. I own and operate many of them with splendid results. Would you guys consider working up a price for refitting vintage action cars to DCC for guys like Mike? I'm thinking you could offer two packages: 1)Simple insertion of either a bridge rectifier or diode bridge, and 2) Full Monty retro with a DCC decoder. Both accompanied by a set of operating instructions. What do you think? S-Happens! Tim Brown **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46810	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Action Cars

Steve, Well hurry up and start the service. O:)! Just kidding. Hopefully this will be something that you will be able to add to the things you do already. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: sgaugetrains@... Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DCC Action Cars Tim, We both run DCC with sound and have done several conversions for others. I have been reading all the list stuff on converting action cars and it should be a piece of cake for most of them. We are considering offering the service to the public, but have not yet researched the potential cost factors. Right now, we are busy with the can motor conversions for smoke in tender units, and hand cars. You should know us well enough by now to know if it can be done, we will do it. We fund all these projects with our own money and don't require people to pre pay for our research. We spends our bucks and takes our chances....:) Steve In a message dated 01/22/2008 6:54:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, Timboy@... writes: To the SnS Guys, You guys have been noticeably quiet during this discussion of DCC action cars. Are you cooking something up for us? I am a big fan of your retro-fits. I own and operate many of them with splendid results. Would you guys consider working up a price for refitting vintage action cars to DCC for guys like Mike? I'm thinking you could offer two packages: 1)Simple insertion of either a bridge rectifier or diode bridge, and 2) Full Monty retro with a DCC decoder. Both accompanied by a set of operating instructions. What do you think? S-Happens! Tim Brown **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46811	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Action cars converted for use on DCC

Hi Dave; Yes,,, I'm using LokSound v3.5, they run my motors just fine. and as you can tell from the video, they get no coddling on my layout, 5% grade to get to the upper track, and it's about a 50 foot trip to get there. I've not had a problem. Part of all my conversions is a CAN motor conversion. Yes, if you want to take full advantage of LokSound, you need the programmer. For instance, I created the "transistion" sound on the E-8. Cheers phil d > that murkey water. Did you buy the LOKSOUND programing unit or just > use the programs that came in the Decoders. Were they the 3.5 version ? > I am wondering if the max running amps are high enough for can > motors being used in our new Sgauge stuff. I did burn out a soundtrax DSD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46812	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

Thanks again to everybody - here is my draft in RR-Track so far. The only item of concern so far is having several switches on a grade - I dont know how I feel about that plus some of the grades appear significant. I'm going to try and adjust it to lessen the grades as suggested. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/82e8?b=3&m=f&o=0

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46813	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Action Cars

Steve, I would be first in line! O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] DCC Action Cars To the SnS Guys, You guys have been noticeably quiet during this discussion of DCC action cars. Are you cooking something up for us? I am a big fan of your retro-fits. I own and operate many of them with splendid results. Would you guys consider working up a price for refitting vintage action cars to DCC for guys like Mike? I'm thinking you could offer two packages: 1)Simple insertion of either a bridge rectifier or diode bridge, and 2) Full Monty retro with a DCC decoder. Both accompanied by a set of operating instructions. What do you think? S-Happens! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46814	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Crane

I for one would not switch. My hirail training is in S but my scale is in HO, more selection as I model an actual old Virginia short line. I tried over the last year or so to convert my HO to DCC. It was a disaster. DCC suppliers need to get more uniformity. Also, I watch modelers of ALL scales at shows fight with their DCC. Many of them spend half the show trying to get the kinks out of their DCC system. What I will do in the future is, as my AC with sound systems die out, and they are dying, I will convert my stuff to regular DC. I have already started that. No sound or other features, but at leat they run. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scale S Only" <scalesonly@...> wrote: > > Hi Don -- > > I think you could motivate a few us of us scale types to purchase a crane, > either Bucyrus or Brownhoist, if you do as nice a job as you do on the rest > of your line! A 150 ton version like the Tichy HO crane would be the > cat's butt! > > Have fun! > Bill Winans > > > Dear Tim, > I would suspect a DCC Brownhoist with an operating boom that can move > up and down as well as rotate and hook that could be moved up and down > would actually move AF enthusists into DCC. > Best regards, > Don >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46815	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Action Cars

Steve, Could you send me or post it on the list your website. thanks, mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: sgaugetrains@... Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DCC Action Cars Tim, We both run DCC with sound and have done several conversions for others. I have been reading all the list stuff on converting action cars and it should be a piece of cake for most of them. We are considering offering the service to the public, but have not yet researched the potential cost factors. Right now, we are busy with the can motor conversions for smoke in tender units, and hand cars. You should know us well enough by now to know if it can be done, we will do it. We fund all these projects with our own money and don't require people to pre pay for our research. We spends our bucks and takes our chances....:) Steve In a message dated 01/22/2008 6:54:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, Timboy@... writes: To the SnS Guys, You guys have been noticeably quiet during this discussion of DCC action cars. Are you cooking something up for us? I am a big fan of your retro-fits. I own and operate many of them with splendid results. Would you guys consider working up a price for refitting vintage action cars to DCC for guys like Mike? I'm thinking you could offer two packages: 1)Simple insertion of either a bridge rectifier or diode bridge, and 2) Full Monty retro with a DCC decoder. Both accompanied by a set of operating instructions. What do you think? S-Happens! Tim Brown **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46816	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Sinclair Oil

I got my last "picture" framed for the train room 2 weeks ago and picked it yesterday. The 30 year old person had no idea what Sinclair Gas was, as it is a Sinclair sign from a gas pump with the dinosaur on it. How soon things like Sinclair are forgotten! The sign looks really nice with the matching green mat and black frame. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46817	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Layout/grade help please

The long time rule of thumb in model railroading was that you try to avoid turnouts on grades and curves. These generally lead to operational complications, i.e. derailments. This is especially true of trying to push cars with "Talgo" trucks (where the trucks have the couplers mounted on them) through curves and switches. That being said, we have an advantage if we use the typical Flyer Compatable wheels, as the large flanges help overcome a lot of derailment problems, where "scale" wheels would have us "on the ground" with every move. Obviously, you want to lower the top mainline as much as possible to limit the gradiant and allow longer trains. A lesser grade will help with operating trains through switches on the grade. The switches should remain graded, but any sidings should be level to keep parked cars from rolling out onto the mainline, with disasterous results. As an alternative, you can drill a hole between the rails just beyond the switch and place a nail in it to hold the cars from rolling. Crude, but effective. Making the change from level to grade as gradual as possible is very important at switches as well as the mainline, despite the fact that big wheel flanges allows a certain "slop factor" scale wheels wouldn't permit. This is a rather complicated track plan for the space allowed. However, there is no reason this won't work with some thought about operational problems before construction. Stumpy Stone...building layouts since 1963.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46818	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Layout/Grade help please

Jordan, Based on my experience always keep turnouts (switches) level. If at all possible have one level section of track at each connection to the turnout. If you must have the section of track attached to the turnout change grade try to keep it as gentle as possible to prevent derailments entering the turnout. You will probably also find that you will need to cut some short sections of track to make everything match up with tight rail joints. I recall we had a nice discussion of grade changes, turnouts, etc some time back. I suggest you search this message board for "grade" and read the posts. You should find some interesting reading that way. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jhl1963" <jhl1963@...> wrote: > > Thanks again to everybody - here is my draft in RR-Track so far. The > only item of concern so far is having several switches on a grade - I > dont know how I feel about that plus some of the grades appear > significant. I'm going to try and adjust it to lessen the grades as > suggested. > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/82e8? b=3&m=f&o=0 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46819	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: RE; Sinclair Oil

Gee, this brings back memories! I pumped gas at a Sinclair station when I was a teenager, back before they merged with Atlantic Richfield to become ARCO. Yeah, you'd have to be older than thirty to remember those days...or that all gas stations had guys who pumped the gas for you! And we had real "service stations" that changed engine oil, fixed flat tires, did light repair, sold and installed tires, batteries, and accessories. Today these are getting REAL hard to find! Now gas stations sell soda and beer and lottery tickets. Just like we have "Fallen Flags" in railroading (railroads which aren't around anymore) the oil companies that have disappeared are numberous too. Remember when Citgo was Cities Service and was American owned? Or the gingle; "You can trust your car to the man who wears the star, the big bright Texaco star?" How about before it was Exxon/Mobil? Exxon was Humble Oil, or Esso. If you go way back, Mobile was Socony Vaccum Oil Company. The government went through all the trouble to break up the Standard Oil monopoly, only to have it start growing back together a century later. I worked seven years for Sohio, which was Standard Oil of Ohio. They taught me a lot about how the oil business works, but were slowly bought up by BP, British Petroleum. This is how BP got control over part of the Alaska Pipeline. Remember Fleet? Or Red Wing (not the shoes) or any number of others? They're still there! Just like the railroads have merged to the point where there are just a handful of Class One railroads, the oil companied did the same. But as I sit at my layout and run my steam trains, I long for the days when a natily dressed young man with a bow tie came to my driver's side window and said; "Fill 'er up, sir?" Stumpy Stone...feeling REAL old now.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46820	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil

Mike, Not forgotten, try this link http://www.sinclairoil.com/index.html How about those Terps? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; cookie flannery ; Ralph Loveless ; SSchaffer ; steve.conard@... ; Steve Hoschler ; Jeff Snell ; Jeanette Ryba Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:05 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Sinclair Oil I got my last "picture" framed for the train room 2 weeks ago and picked it yesterday. The 30 year old person had no idea what Sinclair Gas was, as it is a Sinclair sign from a gas pump with the dinosaur on it. How soon things like Sinclair are forgotten! The sign looks really nice with the matching green mat and black frame. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46821	From: gettysburg9	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: PC software to accurately diagram a layout?

Does anyone have a preference for software on a PC to diagram my layout accurately? I have a layout already assembled (re-assembling it). I have hand-drawn the layout which doesn't look too bad, but I would like to do a semi-pro job of exact length as far as track sections and partial track pieces. The layout is 8' x 12' and rather intricate. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46822	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil

Believe it or not, but we still have at least one Sinclair in Utah. It is in the town of American Fork within ear shot of the north-south UP run through the state. gary On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:05 AM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > I got my last "picture" framed for the train room 2 weeks ago and > picked it yesterday. > > The 30 year old person had no idea what Sinclair Gas was, as it is a > Sinclair sign from a gas pump with the dinosaur on it. > > How soon things like Sinclair are forgotten! > > The sign looks really nice with the matching green mat and black > frame. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46823	From: Ken Kinyon	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil

".or that all gas stations had guys who pumped the gas for you!" If you travel to Oregon state, you can still get your gas pumped. It is against state law to pump your own. Regards, Ken ------------------- Kenneth E. Kinyon 34 Princeton Circle Longmont, CO 80503-2106 ----------------------- E-mail: W7TS@... ------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46824	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: DCC Information needed

Wow! I'm really confused now. In all the discussion about DCC, I'm hearing things like "high frequency" power in the rails, "half voltage in each rail", and other things that are contrary to my understanding of DCC. I thought it was a simple constant DC voltage applied to the rails (in one - out the other) and a superimposed signal to operate stuff. Is there a good description on-line somewhere of basic DCC concepts and operation for someone with very basic wiring skills and a passing grade in EE201 in college (Purdue - 30 years ago)? I don't understand DCC enough to understand what you guys are talking about, but it sounds facinating and I want to know more. Thanks, in advance, for the help. Bruce Willis (not the actor) P.S. I do understand what a bridge rectifier is (I think) - a combination of diodes (one-way gates) to change AC to DC. It seems that would leave you with a choppy DC, though. Do capacitors smooth it out?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46825	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil

Does anybody remember the inflatible plastic Sinclair dinosaurs from the 60s or their exhibit at the New York World's Fair? Bob Gary Chidester <gchidester@...> wrote: Believe it or not, but we still have at least one Sinclair in Utah. It is in the town of American Fork within ear shot of the north-south UP run through the state. gary On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:05 AM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > I got my last "picture" framed for the train room 2 weeks ago and > picked it yesterday. > > The 30 year old person had no idea what Sinclair Gas was, as it is a > Sinclair sign from a gas pump with the dinosaur on it. > > How soon things like Sinclair are forgotten! > > The sign looks really nice with the matching green mat and black > frame. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46826	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed

Hey Bruce, Don't give yourself fits over the technical details of DCC. A lot of us have had trouble understanding all the ins and outs of it. The official description can be found on the NMRA site. Use http://www.nmra.org/standards/consist.html to get you started. You can also Google for DCC to find other articles and some cool add-ons. (I say all this even though I gave up on it a couple of years ago. I had and still have questions of robustness in a layout with periods of inactivity.) There are a lot of people doing it, many accessories and parts to make it all easy and flexible. For most users, it is just not necessary to understand the voltages and signaling in detail. You can learn it a little at a time (or not) and enjoy the process. The same is true for the Configuration Variables (CVs). Some helpful sites: http://www.wiringfordcc.com/ http://www.awrr.com/ Yup, a bridge is just 4 diodes. Yup, the output is a lumpy sine wave with half of the voltage swings folded up to fit with the others. Yup, a capacitor of sufficient value (both capacity and voltage rating) can smooth those lumps out. FWIW, higher frequency signaling has been around for a long time on model railroads. The guys at Lenz and at the NMRA have worked on the concept using some pulse-width modulation and signal processors to combine the signals with the power. Simple devices such as LED or incandescent lamps can run directly from the (fairly) constant power on the rails. Clever devices interpret the pulses and use the information to control motor speeds, direction and inputs to accessories. The NMRA seeks to have the DCC concepts and some of the practices be published standards so that all devices will work together. Most manufacturers seek to differentiate the products to gain competitive advantage. The battle rages and mostly, the hobbyist benefits. There are helpful books out there, although most seem to lean to one manufacturer or another. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce D. Willis Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] DCC Information needed Wow! I'm really confused now. In all the discussion about DCC, I'm hearing things like "high frequency" power in the rails, "half voltage in each rail", and other things that are contrary to my understanding of DCC. I thought it was a simple constant DC voltage applied to the rails (in one - out the other) and a superimposed signal to operate stuff. Is there a good description on-line somewhere of basic DCC concepts and operation for someone with very basic wiring skills and a passing grade in EE201 in college (Purdue - 30 years ago)? I don't understand DCC enough to understand what you guys are talking about, but it sounds facinating and I want to know more. Thanks, in advance, for the help. Bruce Willis (not the actor) P.S. I do understand what a bridge rectifier is (I think) - a combination of diodes (one-way gates) to change AC to DC. It seems that would leave you with a choppy DC, though. Do capacitors smooth it out? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46827	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed

Bruce: Not to worry, no degrees required, just have fun! Electrical characteristics and mechanics don't matter unless you are trying to solve some sort of issue. You can start simple and work your way up. As to your analogy,,, think FM radio instead of DC. or.... think "really fast AC with stuff on the sin wave" here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Command_Control cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> wrote: > > Wow! I'm really confused now. In all the discussion about DCC, I'm > hearing things like "high frequency" power in the rails, "half voltage > in each rail", and other things that are contrary to my understanding > of DCC. I thought it was a simple constant DC voltage applied to the > rails (in one - out the other) and a superimposed signal to operate > stuff. Is there a good description on-line somewhere of basic DCC > concepts and operation for someone with very basic wiring skills and a > passing grade in EE201 in college (Purdue - 30 years ago)? I don't > understand DCC enough to understand what you guys are talking about, > but it sounds facinating and I want to know more. Thanks, in advance, > for the help. Bruce Willis (not the actor) > > P.S. I do understand what a bridge rectifier is (I think) - a > combination of diodes (one-way gates) to change AC to DC. It seems > that would leave you with a choppy DC, though. Do capacitors smooth > it out? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46828	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed

Hi Bruce, The quick answer is that the DCC signal is integrated with (not on top of) the track power. The waveform is essentially an approximately 9.6KHz square wave, with the encoding done by varying the pulse width. Here is a link to the definition of the track signal: http://www.nmra.org/standards/DCC/standards_rps/S-91-2004-07.pdf A good introduction addressing DCC for S Scale is on Mike Greene's site: http://www.dccinfo.com/ At 12:31 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote: >Wow! I'm really confused now. In all the discussion about DCC, I'm >hearing things like "high frequency" power in the rails, "half voltage >in each rail", and other things that are contrary to my understanding >of DCC. I thought it was a simple constant DC voltage applied to the >rails (in one - out the other) and a superimposed signal to operate >stuff. Is there a good description on-line somewhere of basic DCC >concepts and operation for someone with very basic wiring skills and a >passing grade in EE201 in college (Purdue - 30 years ago)? I don't >understand DCC enough to understand what you guys are talking about, >but it sounds facinating and I want to know more. Thanks, in advance, >for the help. Bruce Willis (not the actor) > >P.S. I do understand what a bridge rectifier is (I think) - a >combination of diodes (one-way gates) to change AC to DC. It seems >that would leave you with a choppy DC, though. Do capacitors smooth >it out? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46829	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil

Midwest and western folks may remember Pure, DX (even have a battery operated premium train set from them), Gulf, Flying A (aviation grade 100 octane plus) Union 76. Can't remember more, the memory is fading. Sunny today in Central VA Bill --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > Gee, this brings back memories! I pumped gas at a > Sinclair station > when I was a teenager, back before they merged with > Atlantic Richfield > to become ARCO. Yeah, you'd have to be older than > thirty to remember > those days...or that all gas stations had guys who > pumped the gas for > you! And we had real "service stations" that > changed engine oil, fixed > flat tires, did light repair, sold and installed > tires, batteries, and > accessories. Today these are getting REAL hard to > find! Now gas > stations sell soda and beer and lottery tickets. > Just like we have "Fallen Flags" in railroading > (railroads which > aren't around anymore) the oil companies that have > disappeared are > numberous too. > Remember when Citgo was Cities Service and was > American owned? Or > the gingle; "You can trust your car to the man who > wears the star, the > big bright Texaco star?" How about before it was > Exxon/Mobil? Exxon > was Humble Oil, or Esso. If you go way back, Mobile > was Socony Vaccum > Oil Company. The government went through all the > trouble to break up > the Standard Oil monopoly, only to have it start > growing back together > a century later. > I worked seven years for Sohio, which was Standard > Oil of Ohio. They > taught me a lot about how the oil business works, > but were slowly > bought up by BP, British Petroleum. This is how BP > got control over > part of the Alaska Pipeline. > Remember Fleet? Or Red Wing (not the shoes) or > any number of > others? They're still there! Just like the > railroads have merged to > the point where there are just a handful of Class > One railroads, the > oil companied did the same. > But as I sit at my layout and run my steam trains, > I long for the > days when a natily dressed young man with a bow tie > came to my driver's > side window and said; "Fill 'er up, sir?" > Stumpy Stone...feeling REAL old now. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46830	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed

----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce D. Willis I'm hearing things like "high frequency" power in the rails, > > > > > > > That's true, and it works. But as others have noted, you don't need to know all this technical stuff to get you trains to run on DCC, any more than you have to grasp the technical details of the difference between AM and FM to tune your radio. < < < < < < < "half voltage in each rail", > > > > > > > That was a puzzlement to me too. The gentleman who mentioned it is either running his trains on three-phase AC and using a center rail like Lionel, or he is confused. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46831	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed

Power to the rails is square wave. The length of the wave holds the address codes. The decoder/motor controller then sends a PWM signal to the motor to control speed. I believe the frame rate on most DCC is around 8000hz. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> wrote: > > Wow! I'm really confused now. In all the discussion about DCC, I'm > hearing things like "high frequency" power in the rails, "half voltage > in each rail", and other things that are contrary to my understanding > of DCC. I thought it was a simple constant DC voltage applied to the > rails (in one - out the other) and a superimposed signal to operate > stuff. Is there a good description on-line somewhere of basic DCC > concepts and operation for someone with very basic wiring skills and a > passing grade in EE201 in college (Purdue - 30 years ago)? I don't > understand DCC enough to understand what you guys are talking about, > but it sounds facinating and I want to know more. Thanks, in advance, > for the help. Bruce Willis (not the actor) > > P.S. I do understand what a bridge rectifier is (I think) - a > combination of diodes (one-way gates) to change AC to DC. It seems > that would leave you with a choppy DC, though. Do capacitors smooth > it out? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46832	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil

Sinclair is doing just fine here in Idaho, Mike. Wyoming too. In a message dated 01/23/2008 6:19:42 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I got my last "picture" framed for the train room 2 weeks ago and picked it yesterday. The 30 year old person had no idea what Sinclair Gas was, as it is a Sinclair sign from a gas pump with the dinosaur on it. How soon things like Sinclair are forgotten! The sign looks really nice with the matching green mat and black frame. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46833	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: DCC Information

You guys are making way too much of DCC. The simple answer to it all is that it is MAGIC! Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 01/23/2008 12:17:14 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, billclark42@... writes: Hi Bruce, The quick answer is that the DCC signal is integrated with (not on top of) the track power. The waveform is essentially an approximately 9.6KHz square wave, with the encoding done by varying the pulse width. Here is a link to the definition of the track signal: _http://www.nmra.http://www.nmrhttp://www.nmrhttp://wwhttp://www._ (http://www.nmra.org/standards/DCC/standards_rps/S-91-2004-07.pdf) A good introduction addressing DCC for S Scale is on Mike Greene's site: _http://www.dccinfo.http_ (http://www.dccinfo.com/) At 12:31 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote: >Wow! I'm really confused now. In all the discussion about DCC, I'm >hearing things like "high frequency" power in the rails, "half voltage >in each rail", and other things that are contrary to my understanding >of DCC. I thought it was a simple constant DC voltage applied to the >rails (in one - out the other) and a superimposed signal to operate >stuff. Is there a good description on-line somewhere of basic DCC >concepts and operation for someone with very basic wiring skills and a >passing grade in EE201 in college (Purdue - 30 years ago)? I don't >understand DCC enough to understand what you guys are talking about, >but it sounds facinating and I want to know more. Thanks, in advance, >for the help. Bruce Willis (not the actor) > >P.S. I do understand what a bridge rectifier is (I think) - a >combination of diodes (one-way gates) to change AC to DC. It seems >that would leave you with a choppy DC, though. Do capacitors smooth >it out? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46834	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Sinclair Oil & other oil companies

----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone Gee, this brings back memories!. . . . . . . . . . If you go way back, Mobile was Socony Vacuum Oil Company. . . . . . . > > > > > > > And if you go way, way back, SOCONY (Standard Oil Company Of New York) acquired Vacuum Oil Co and became Socony-Vacuum in 1931 (before my time). Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46835	From: Bill Adams	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: KW Transformer

Against my better judgement, I bought a Brand "L" KW 190 watt transformer last year. There is nothing wrong with it except it looks out of place sitting next to my two No. 2 AF's. I just don't want it - everything else I have is AF. For a year, I've just stared at it and brooded. It's gotta go. It has not been used on my layout and was "checked out - all OK" at the local train shop. Will swap for an equivalent AF transformer or a couple smaller AF's.....or will sell. Please contact me off list if interested! Bill Adams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46836	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: PC software to accurately diagram a layout?

A few years ago I used RRTrack (v 4.02) and found it very helpful. My layout has S-Trax for standard guage S, and Kato HO for Sn42 (DCC On30 trains). Have libraries for both track sets loaded helped a lot, and you can model custom length sections when needed. It also allows you to add operationg accessories, trees, and other things to get an interesting set of 3D views. Read the manual, then play with it. You'll soon get the hang of it. RR-Track™ for Windows™ Advanced graphical sectional track layout software version 4.02 Produced by: R & S Enterprises POB 643 Jonestown, PA 17038 (717)865-3444 ©2000 R & S Enterprises, all rights reserved

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46837	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil

Hi all -- I have fond memories of the HUGE Richfield service station sign in Berkeley, CA as a kid. It must have been an Eagle all done up in neon light and probably close to 20 feet tall. Does anyone know about these? Have fun! Bill Winans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46838	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Finally!

No, my roadbed is not here yet, but I finally got a much needed 3 dome 24313 Gulf Tanker from Ebay last week for a set from 1958 that I have been trying to complete for about 2 years. There are a couple of sets from 1958 that I was working on to complete that have that tanker. I know there is another 1958 set with it, but I am not working on that at the present. I have search on Ebay and at York for these tankers, as they are not rare, but not too common, a grade 3 out of 3. So they are out there. I have one for the 20445 New Haven Mainliner set that I won on Ebay. Now to find that next one. Mike Farner had one at York, but it was not the quality I wanted. I did win one on Ebay two weeks ago, as I knew the tank had a few nicks on it, but I was giving up! The description said solid piece, including the steps. I won it for 122, as in E it list for 90. The tanker came and it had two broken steps! My heart sank. The seller agree to take it back and he refunded me the shipping too, which I did not ask about. This was almost like the incident I had many years ago on ebay with the glued steps for the 21130 Hudson, as the TCA member said all steps present. I got most of my money back on that, as he blamed me for not asking if the steps where glued! So, last week, a favorite seller of AF on ebay had one, in E + condition. It looked like a shelve piece. I won it for 125 and I was very happy. I needed it to complete the 20480 Santa Fe Chief set. The other set from 1958 that has this tanker is the 20465 Missouri Fast Freight set. My next goal is to find the engine for the 1958 20450 Trail Blazer set, as I have all the cars, which include the Penn Salt tanker and the 24016 MKT box car. Maybe by the time the roadbed get's here, I will have found that engine! O:)! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46839	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil

Yep, You get your gas pumped her & helps with employment for a lot of people. Mike in Ore. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46840	From: Timboy	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed

> "half voltage in each rail", > > > > > > > > > That was a puzzlement to me too. The gentleman who mentioned it is either > running his trains on three-phase AC and using a center rail like Lionel, or > he is confused. Hi Tom, That was an attempt at a purposeful gross over-simplification meant to de-mystify the concept of how action cars "read" voltage in a DCC system. The REAL concept is RMS, or root square mean. RMS is the calculated amount of voltage - an average steady available voltage, if you will permit yet another over-simplification. Or better yet, why don't you research this concept and report back to the List on how the RMS of a DCC system effects the performance of electrical coils and make a real contribution. But please distill all of it down and simplify it so that we have a concept we can understand in layman's terms. We are still awaiting the results of your other DCC tests with action cars. Hee-Hee-Hee. But seriously folks, all details and theories aside, we have made some important discoveries this past few days about DCC as it pertains to vintage Flyer. That is what is important, IMHO. I hope all this "ooga-booga" talk on DCC hasn't scared anyone away from taking the plunge. It may be a hard concept to understand and interpret on a theoretical level, but if we don't get hung-up on all of that, it sure is making playing with our trains a lot more fun! DCC is like AC on steroids. How's that for yet another gross- oversimplification! <grin> S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46841	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed

Boy Tim this web site may never be the same. Thanks to you and Phil and having the guts to bring upDCC. I used to just sit and read. The only thing close to DCC was Lionels Trainmaster system and to me that was a deadend subject. Yes Yes Yes If you dont get it get a book. At 70 I feel this stuff keeps me alert and more steps away from Altzheimers. Dave Pierce ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46842	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Sinclair Sign Picture

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?c I added to my train room album pictures that in the train room, as it includes the Sinclair Gas Pump sign. First of all, I did not know that Sinclair, the name, is back. I see on their website there are 100's of these gas stations in the west. So, maybe next is Cities Service? That was a favorite too. I got this at a antique shop in MD for about 45. I saw this earlier in TN for about 90 but waited. You never know when something might pop up later. The sign was in real good shape over all, but it had some nicks on the white. I thought they went through to the bare metal, but it must of been something on the surface, as the sign looks new. There are 6 holes where it was screwed into the pump that are covered up. That area has some paint chipping. Some other pictures. There is a metal repro tin of a AF 1950 catalog. There where 4 such tins like this of AF catalogs. Lionel had the maker stop making them. The train station is in Gaithersburg MD and was built in 1873, as there is a station like this in Rockville, MD a few miles south. It is still in use, as they have a caboose and a engine for a museum. The two page ad for AF sets is from 1949. Either from a Life Magazine of 11-28-49 or a Saturday Evening Post, 12-3-49. What is unusual about the ad, is that the 632 Hopper is pictured in the ad as Green. The real hopper is gray as most hopper are either gray or black in real life. I think they did for a marketing ploy to attract buyers. Green probably adds some color to the ad, as the engines are already black, so it breaks up the colors in the ad for attention. Some one was doing some marketing at AF. I wonder how cared when they got the set that the car was not green. The blue Chessie print is my Antique Roadshow find. It is a original first issue Chessie calendar. The calendar part is gone, but the print was in a really bad frame. We got it for 10 dollars. Maybe when I take it to the roadshow they will tell it is worth 37,500 dollars. Just kidding. The Mobil Ad although not train related is in my stairway to the train room. We had a orange cat that looked just like this. We first saw this ad in a Cracker Barrel on I-75 near Lexington, KY. So, we started to search for this ad in antique Shoppe's. We told a seller of magazine ads, what we where looking for as we had no clue as to the magazine or year. We got a call about a year later and she had it up in Frederick MD. The ad is also neat, as the reason for the fish and the bowl, to me it is telling me, that the glass protects the fish from the cat, as Mobil Oil protects the engine from wear and tear. They both make a barrier for protection from something trying to end it's life. Now if my road bed was here, I could get back to the track! LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46843	From: Timboy	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed

RMS = Root Mean Square, not Root Sqaure Mean. Oops. I don't want my dyslexia to get sniped at. Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46844	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil

Thanks Jim. I had no idea that Sinclair was still around in the west! Now, maybe someone will take over AF from Lionel! HOW ABOUT THOSE TERPS!!!!!! Hee hee. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: James Hannawald To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sinclair Oil Mike, Not forgotten, try this link http://www.sinclairoil.com/index.html .................................... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46845	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil

Amen to somebody taking AF from lionel. Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Thanks Jim. I had no idea that Sinclair was still around in the west! Now, maybe someone will take over AF from Lionel! HOW ABOUT THOSE TERPS!!!!!! Hee hee. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: James Hannawald To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sinclair Oil Mike, Not forgotten, try this link http://www.sinclairoil.com/index.html .................................... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46846	From: bstilesaf	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: American Flyer circus train loads (carousel truck)

Hello. I have lots of fun converting junked Pyro and ACME trucks to loads for my AF circus train. It has seven flats and two coaches at present. The S-Helper (Scenery Unlimited) stock car also fits in well. he other cars from that set are too far off in color. I am wondering of anyone else out there has an ACME carousel truck for their circus train? I have been fortunate enough to find two on eBay, but they are scarce. I looked for several years and many Yorks before a few showed up on eBay...and commanded big prices. You can peruse some photos of my layout on the website at the following link: http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/BENSTILES.html Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46847	From: roy inman	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil

We have Sinclair in KC, the Midwest. Dino and all. Roy Inman From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:25:41 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sinclair Oil Thanks Jim. I had no idea that Sinclair was still around in the west! Now, maybe someone will take over AF from Lionel! HOW ABOUT THOSE TERPS!!!!!! Hee hee. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: James Hannawald To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sinclair Oil Mike, Not forgotten, try this link http://www.sinclairoil.com/index.html .................................... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46848	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Crane

I am new to the group. I enjoy all of my S gauge including original AF, Lionel AF, S-Helper, American Models, and K-Line. I also have trains in every other popular gauge, but S is my favorite. I have been kicking around converting from AC to DC, and the other night when we took a small train table over to my wife's uncle to run his AC to DC converted AF 312 loco and original set (hadn't been run in 20 years), it fired right up after a lube job with the DC current. I used a DC Bridge Rectifier from Radio shack and wired it up with a toggle switch for direction control. His loco was converted with an Alnico permanent magnet and it ran smooth as silk. I loved the ability to reverse without a picky e-unit! I will work on converting some locos to DC can motors for fine operation, but will be able to switch back and forth to AC for my American Models locos with sound. DCC does not, and never has, interested me. Glad to be in the group. I am learning a lot! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46849	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: S-gauge boxcars

TCA's National Toy Train Museum E& M Committee have released the 2008 American Flyer by Lionel boxcars. READING "early" BEELINE & PRR Tuscan. Same decoration as the 2007 run EXCEPT the numbers are 197708 on both. The cars are sold in pairs (one each) for $ 99.90, plus PA sales Tx of $6.00 (IF applicable) and $7.95 shipping. TCA membership IS NOT required to purchase these cars. Buyers will also receive a free set of TCA "Road Signs" (prox value $14.00) with the cars purchase. This is a LIMITED run, do not delay. TO ORDER--Call DESIREA at TCA @ 717-687-8623, Monday thru Friday between 10 AM & 2 PM, have your credit card ready. Jim Lyle for the E & M Committee. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46850	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Flyer/Lionel

Did I see this correctly, Has Lionel sold of Flyer? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46851	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: PC software to accurately diagram a layout?

I'll put in a second vote for RR-Track. I just got it recently, but if you spend some time with the online tutorials it is pretty intuitive. I like the auto select feature that chooses the best combination of standard track and custom cut (if necessary). Great Company too - I ordered it on Friday night and had it by Wednesday am. Jordan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46852	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil

Our 2003 NASG convention car was a Sinclair Tank Car if you remember. Scarce now. By the way, I didn't realize you did railfan photography - Nice photos of KCS diesels in new Trains. Jeff To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: rinphoto@...: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:14:50 -0600Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sinclair Oil We have Sinclair in KC, the Midwest. Dino and all.Roy InmanFrom: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comDate: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:25:41 -0500To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [S-Trains] Sinclair OilThanks Jim.I had no idea that Sinclair was still around in the west!Now, maybe someone will take over AF from Lionel!HOW ABOUT THOSE TERPS!!!!!! Hee hee.Mike Marmer----- Original Message -----From: James HannawaldTo: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:39 AMSubject: Re: [S-Trains] Sinclair OilMike,Not forgotten, try this linkhttp://www.sinclairoil.com/index.html....................................%5bNon-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46853	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: 'Fallen Oil Brands'

To clarify the fact that several old gasoline brands are seen in various parts of the country, these are merely independent distributors buying an old brand that the titleholder does not feel is strategic any longer. sinclair must be deemed that way, as already posted it was merged out of use 40 years ago, as was pure(union 76) and gulf (chevron) which are currently used but have no relationship to their former owners, who were refiners that controlled the quality of the products. many others including tidewater, veedol, jenney, etc. were smaller companies that just went away. others including esso, mobil, amoco, arco, and many others are considered valuable by their current owners who are current viable companies who vigorously protect their brands. a notable example is esso, a common brand until 1971 in the eastern us that you do not see models of. this is because exxonmobil still uses this brand in other countries, and just try to use it without permission and see who knocks on your door!!!! and within the same company, the current mobil brand is protected just as vigorously, while the old mobilgas is not as they must not plan to use it in the future. great thread....dale reynolds, pendleton sc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46854	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer/Lionel

NO! LOL I was just making a joke that maybe AF would come back the way it was one time like Sinclair. Sorry for the confusion, as it isn't true. I will file a report on Snopes. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer/Lionel Did I see this correctly, Has Lionel sold of Flyer? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46855	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Emailing: www.gassigns.org

http://www.gassigns.org/ I did not mean to turn things in talk about old gas stations, but I hope the moderator will let this post. This is a neat website I found today while searching out some old gas companies. It is amazing how many old companies are gone. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46856	From: roy inman	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Sinclair Oil

Hi Jeff; Yep, I shoot the occasional train photo. Our little group of Foaming Rivet Counters also does big flashbulb shots at night in homage to our hero, O. Winston Link. If you are surfing the net sometime, please take a look at www.unionstationphotos.com. I try to peddle prints at train shows, and do sell some, and Historic Rail has lots of my stuff online and sometimes runs the odd image in their hard copy catalog. Cheers :) Roy From: Jeffrey Madden <nasgdispatch@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:19:10 +0000 To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Sinclair Oil Our 2003 NASG convention car was a Sinclair Tank Car if you remember. Scarce now. By the way, I didn't realize you did railfan photography - Nice photos of KCS diesels in new Trains. Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46857	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Want to contact Dave Ahn of Northampton, PA

I would like Dave's email address or phone number. I just purchased a custom engine made by him and have a question. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46858	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Collection Software - what's good?

I have seen three kinds of "collection software" advertised on ebay, etc. Does anyone have experience with it and can make recommendations? Right now I use MS Excel, but are those other programs any good? Thanks in advance. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46859	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: 'Fallen Oil Brands'

Would the Sinclair refinery in Wyoming rebutt the statement below? Maybe it belongs to someone else who just uses Sinclair name. We drove by Little America the first of November on way to Fall S-Fest and it was still there and up and running. Steve Boise In a message dated 01/23/2008 9:08:38 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, reynoldsdale@... writes: To clarify the fact that several old gasoline brands are seen in various parts of the country, these are merely independent distributors buying an old brand that the titleholder does not feel is strategic any longer. sinclair must be deemed that way, as already posted it was merged out of use 40 years ago,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46860	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer circus train loads (carousel truck)

I love your circus train with the carousel truck and speaker truck. I have done a similar train with Marx tin and American Flyer repro circus wagons. I will look for the carousel truck, but am a little nervous when you say they demand a high price. Oh well, money, we can't take it with us. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bstilesaf" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > Hello. I have lots of fun converting junked Pyro and ACME trucks to > loads for my AF circus train. It has seven flats and two coaches at > present. The S-Helper (Scenery Unlimited) stock car also fits in well. > he other cars from that set are too far off in color. > > I am wondering of anyone else out there has an ACME carousel truck for > their circus train? I have been fortunate enough to find two on eBay, > but they are scarce. I looked for several years and many Yorks before > a few showed up on eBay...and commanded big prices. > > You can peruse some photos of my layout on the website at the > following link: > > http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/BENSTILES.html > > Ben >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46861	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: 'Fallen Oil Brands'

Sinclair has 3 refineries in the US, all west of the Mississippi. Also over 2,000 dealers. check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Oil Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 'Fallen Oil Brands' Would the Sinclair refinery in Wyoming rebutt the statement below? Maybe it belongs to someone else who just uses Sinclair name. We drove by Little America the first of November on way to Fall S-Fest and it was still there and up and running. Steve Boise In a message dated 01/23/2008 9:08:38 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, reynoldsdale@... writes: To clarify the fact that several old gasoline brands are seen in various parts of the country, these are merely independent distributors buying an old brand that the titleholder does not feel is strategic any longer. sinclair must be deemed that way, as already posted it was merged out of use 40 years ago, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46862	From: beebear	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Emailing: www.gassigns.org

HI Mike Thanks for the link to the gas signs! Just what I was looking for John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Emailing: www.gassigns.org http://www.gassigns.org/ I did not mean to turn things in talk about old gas stations, but I hope the moderator will let this post. This is a neat website I found today while searching out some old gas companies. It is amazing how many old companies are gone. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46863	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: 'Fallen Oil Brands'

Having lived in California for the last 62 years, I have never seen a Pure Oil station, but we have had and still have Union 76, which is now a Tosco brand, along with Conoco and Phillips 66. Gulf was never Chevron. That was, and as far as I know still is, Standard Oil of California. Used to be the Chevron name was reserved for independently owned stations and Standard was the name used on company owned stations. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: reynoldsjmus To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 'Fallen Oil Brands' To clarify the fact that several old gasoline brands are seen in various parts of the country, these are merely independent distributors buying an old brand that the titleholder does not feel is strategic any longer. sinclair must be deemed that way, as already posted it was merged out of use 40 years ago, as was pure(union 76) and gulf (chevron) which are currently used but have no relationship to their former owners, who were refiners that controlled the quality of the products. many others including tidewater, veedol, jenney, etc. were smaller companies that just went away. others including esso, mobil, amoco, arco, and many others are considered valuable by their current owners who are current viable companies who vigorously protect their brands. a notable example is esso, a common brand until 1971 in the eastern us that you do not see models of. this is because exxonmobil still uses this brand in other countries, and just try to use it without permission and see who knocks on your door!!!! and within the same company, the current mobil brand is protected just as vigorously, while the old mobilgas is not as they must not plan to use it in the future. great thread....dale reynolds, pendleton sc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46864	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil

This has been a trip down Memory Lane, with many valuable additions from various members of the list. And thanks to Mike for starting it. When ARCO merged Sinclair and Atlantic Richfield here, I wasn't aware that the name lived on in other areas. I miss pumping "dinosaur piss" as we called it back then. Around here, we no longer have Texaco, Gulf, or Shell stations, although I knew those brands lived on elsewhere. Our country is poorer for loosing the traditional gas station. It has already been pointed out that full service lives in Oregon, and that jobs disappeared with the "pump jockey" gone. A lot of we "gearheads" in the sixties had our first "real" job pumping gas, changing oil, and fixing flats! I worked in gas stations for years, from part time pump jockey all the way up to manager. Sunoco, Sinclair, Shell, Sohio all kept be in grits back then. A lot of us have cars and trucks on our layouts. If your favorite era is the transition era from steam to diesel, you need "a service staion on every corner" the way it was in those days. I created my own brand a few years ago; Flatulene. It's availible on almost every layout I've built since! Stumpy Stone...gassed up and ready to go in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46865	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer/Lionel

It would be nice if MTH got it in the suite with Lionel settlement. Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: NO! LOL I was just making a joke that maybe AF would come back the way it was one time like Sinclair. Sorry for the confusion, as it isn't true. I will file a report on Snopes. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer/Lionel Did I see this correctly, Has Lionel sold of Flyer? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46866	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Flyer / Lionel

That;s not necessary. Just my hope and dream. I am well satisfied with SHS & AM. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46867	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Rare Item

If anyone is interested in the 23040 Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set from 1958 (plus trestles), check out 140200571557 on Ebay. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46868	From: Robert Boring	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil

I used to work under one of those signs in about 1960 in Portland OR. I have a Pine Canyon gas station done in Richfield colors with that sign on the canopy. Bob Boring ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE; Sinclair Oil Hi all -- I have fond memories of the HUGE Richfield service station sign in Berkeley, CA as a kid. It must have been an Eagle all done up in neon light and probably close to 20 feet tall. Does anyone know about these? Have fun! Bill Winans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46869	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: 'Fallen Oil Brands'

Here's a couple of midwestern brands: Zephyr Gas (was a couple a few years ago in IL), Skelly Gas Jeff ________________________________ > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: dfsmith26@... > Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:05:29 -0800 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 'Fallen Oil Brands' > > > Having lived in California for the last 62 years, I have never seen a Pure Oil station, but we have had and still have Union 76, which is now a Tosco brand, along with Conoco and Phillips 66. Gulf was never Chevron. That was, and as far as I know still is, Standard Oil of California. Used to be the Chevron name was reserved for independently owned stations and Standard was the name used on company owned stations. > > Dale Smith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: reynoldsjmus > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:31 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] 'Fallen Oil Brands' > > To clarify the fact that several old gasoline brands are seen in > various parts of the country, these are merely independent distributors > buying an old brand that the titleholder does not feel is strategic > any longer. sinclair must be deemed that way, as already posted it was > merged out of use 40 years ago, as was pure(union 76) and gulf > (chevron) which are currently used but have no relationship to their > former owners, who were refiners that controlled the quality of the > products. many others including tidewater, veedol, jenney, etc. were > smaller companies that just went away. others including esso, mobil, > amoco, arco, and many others are considered valuable by their current > owners who are current viable companies who vigorously protect their > brands. a notable example is esso, a common brand until 1971 in the > eastern us that you do not see models of. this is because exxonmobil > still uses this brand in other countries, and just try to use it > without permission and see who knocks on your door!!!! and within the > same company, the current mobil brand is protected just as vigorously, > while the old mobilgas is not as they must not plan to use it in the > future. great thread....dale reynolds, pendleton sc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46870	From: Robert Boring	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil

Stumpy, The Pump Jockeys are long gone in Oregon too. Now all you have is some kid that can barely walk to the pump to stick the nozzle in the tank, and if you're lucky he won't dribble it all down the side of the car. No more running to the customer, checking oil, washing windows (both inside and out) emptying ash trays and sweeping out the floor. Can you tell I worked in the 60's for Richfield and then for Chevron. Spent about 6 years in service stations before moving on. Bob Boring ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil This has been a trip down Memory Lane, with many valuable additions from various members of the list. And thanks to Mike for starting it. When ARCO merged Sinclair and Atlantic Richfield here, I wasn't aware that the name lived on in other areas. I miss pumping "dinosaur piss" as we called it back then. Around here, we no longer have Texaco, Gulf, or Shell stations, although I knew those brands lived on elsewhere. Our country is poorer for loosing the traditional gas station. It has already been pointed out that full service lives in Oregon, and that jobs disappeared with the "pump jockey" gone. A lot of we "gearheads" in the sixties had our first "real" job pumping gas, changing oil, and fixing flats! I worked in gas stations for years, from part time pump jockey all the way up to manager. Sunoco, Sinclair, Shell, Sohio all kept be in grits back then. A lot of us have cars and trucks on our layouts. If your favorite era is the transition era from steam to diesel, you need "a service staion on every corner" the way it was in those days. I created my own brand a few years ago; Flatulene. It's availible on almost every layout I've built since! Stumpy Stone...gassed up and ready to go in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46871	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Layout design

Cadrail and RR-Track appear to be your best bets if you want more than just a layout. For just the layout, Autosketch or a more advanced cad program will work. I bought a house this past summer. It doesn't have a place for a layout. I plan to add my "man cave" late this summer or possibly next. So my interest in layout software is high. I would welcome dialogue by those that have used the various packages. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46872	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil

You forgot all the free cheesy things they gave out at the station, like glasses, etc. I pumped gas in the summer of 1974 from 2 pm to 10 pm and it was non stop line of cars. It was awful. To keep this train related, no trains where given out by gas stations! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Boring To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil Stumpy, The Pump Jockeys are long gone in Oregon too. Now all you have is some kid that can barely walk to the pump to stick the nozzle in the tank, and if you're lucky he won't dribble it all down the side of the car. No more running to the customer, checking oil, washing windows (both inside and out) emptying ash trays and sweeping out the floor. Can you tell I worked in the 60's for Richfield and then for Chevron. Spent about 6 years in service stations before moving on. Bob Boring ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil This has been a trip down Memory Lane, with many valuable additions from various members of the list. And thanks to Mike for starting it. When ARCO merged Sinclair and Atlantic Richfield here, I wasn't aware that the name lived on in other areas. I miss pumping "dinosaur piss" as we called it back then. Around here, we no longer have Texaco, Gulf, or Shell stations, although I knew those brands lived on elsewhere. Our country is poorer for loosing the traditional gas station. It has already been pointed out that full service lives in Oregon, and that jobs disappeared with the "pump jockey" gone. A lot of we "gearheads" in the sixties had our first "real" job pumping gas, changing oil, and fixing flats! I worked in gas stations for years, from part time pump jockey all the way up to manager. Sunoco, Sinclair, Shell, Sohio all kept be in grits back then. A lot of us have cars and trucks on our layouts. If your favorite era is the transition era from steam to diesel, you need "a service staion on every corner" the way it was in those days. I created my own brand a few years ago; Flatulene. It's availible on almost every layout I've built since! Stumpy Stone...gassed up and ready to go in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46873	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Question re repainting American Models E8s - removal of windows, etc

I have a pair of American Models NYC E8s that I want to repaint. Do you have any experience removing the window inserts and other details to prepare these models for repainting? Did the windows come out easily? Or did you wish you had never started this? Any feedback would be appreciated. - Earl Henry, Nashville **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46874	From: ken garber	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Question re repainting American Models E8s - remo

I had picked up an undecorated (aka unlettered). I had to break out the windows (most if not all glued in pretty good). Even dumping it in stripper didn't particularly weaken the bond. AM does have a replacement glazing set for the E. I have another E8 to do some day and what I may try first is to use some of those liquid masking products on the windows, and then remove them when complete. Ken On 1/24/08, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote: > I have a pair of American Models NYC E8s that I want to repaint. Do you have > any experience removing the window inserts and other details to prepare these > models for repainting? Did the windows come out easily? Or did you wish > you had never started this? > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46875	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Question re repainting American Models E8s - remo

A trick I picked up from car modelers is to thoroughly wet the body and then freeze it. The expanding water in the joints can gently force the bonds apart. It doesn't always work but it's worth a try. Bob ken garber <garber.ken@...> wrote: I had picked up an undecorated (aka unlettered). I had to break out the windows (most if not all glued in pretty good). Even dumping it in stripper didn't particularly weaken the bond. AM does have a replacement glazing set for the E. I have another E8 to do some day and what I may try first is to use some of those liquid masking products on the windows, and then remove them when complete. Ken On 1/24/08, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote: > I have a pair of American Models NYC E8s that I want to repaint. Do you have > any experience removing the window inserts and other details to prepare these > models for repainting? Did the windows come out easily? Or did you wish > you had never started this? > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46876	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Question re repainting American Models E8s - removal of windows,

Hi Earl; I suppose you have had the shell off,,,,,, I have not attempted to remove any of the window inserts, but just for grins I just looked at mine, and I have to say I think I would fall into the "I wish I hadn't gone there" group. The front / front side windows are a single unit for 1/2 the cab on each side,,, a left and a right. They seem to be glued in place, I didn't have the courage to try and pop one loose just to test. The portholes are individual,,, and it looks like they adhere to the initial paint, again,,, I didn't give it a go. Maybe using a fine masking material would be discretion as opposed to valor in this case. my thoughts at least cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > I have a pair of American Models NYC E8s that I want to repaint. Do you have > any experience removing the window inserts and other details to prepare these > models for repainting? Did the windows come out easily? Or did you wish > you had never started this? > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46877	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Question re repainting American Models E8s ...

Ken, thanks for your feedback. ------------------------------------------- So the windows and details are already attached even on the undecorated models? That surprises me. ------------------------------------------ I have some of the liquid stuff you are talking about to put on the windows before painting. I guess this is my chance to try it out. And if it does not work well, then I can cut out or drill out the windows that will not fall out and order the window set from American Models. ------------------------------------------------- Thank you again for sharing your experience. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN ====================================================== - - In a message dated 1/24/2008 3:00:30 PM Central Standard Time, garber.ken@... writes: I had picked up an undecorated (aka unlettered). I had to break out the windows (most if not all glued in pretty good). Even dumping it in stripper didn't particularly weaken the bond. AM does have a replacement glazing set for the E. I have another E8 to do some day and what I may try first is to use some of those liquid masking products on the windows, and then remove them when complete. Ken On 1/24/08, _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > wrote: > I have a pair of American Models NYC E8s that I want to repaint. Do you have > any experience removing the window inserts and other details to prepare these > models for repainting? Did the windows come out easily? Or did you wish > you had never started this? > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46878	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil

Stumpy, i love your "gas" brand. After working in and around gas staions for years I opened my own shop in the 70s. We used to refer to our island attendants as gas passers. My guys used to clean windows and check oil etc. They were so good we won service awards from both Mobil and Citgo over the years. That business gets in your blood and stays there...just like s guage I guess. Bob Robert Boring <borore@...> wrote: Stumpy, The Pump Jockeys are long gone in Oregon too. Now all you have is some kid that can barely walk to the pump to stick the nozzle in the tank, and if you're lucky he won't dribble it all down the side of the car. No more running to the customer, checking oil, washing windows (both inside and out) emptying ash trays and sweeping out the floor. Can you tell I worked in the 60's for Richfield and then for Chevron. Spent about 6 years in service stations before moving on. Bob Boring ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil This has been a trip down Memory Lane, with many valuable additions from various members of the list. And thanks to Mike for starting it. When ARCO merged Sinclair and Atlantic Richfield here, I wasn't aware that the name lived on in other areas. I miss pumping "dinosaur piss" as we called it back then. Around here, we no longer have Texaco, Gulf, or Shell stations, although I knew those brands lived on elsewhere. Our country is poorer for loosing the traditional gas station. It has already been pointed out that full service lives in Oregon, and that jobs disappeared with the "pump jockey" gone. A lot of we "gearheads" in the sixties had our first "real" job pumping gas, changing oil, and fixing flats! I worked in gas stations for years, from part time pump jockey all the way up to manager. Sunoco, Sinclair, Shell, Sohio all kept be in grits back then. A lot of us have cars and trucks on our layouts. If your favorite era is the transition era from steam to diesel, you need "a service staion on every corner" the way it was in those days. I created my own brand a few years ago; Flatulene. It's availible on almost every layout I've built since! Stumpy Stone...gassed up and ready to go in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46879	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Question re repainting American Models E8s - remo

Thanks Roger, I have just sent an email inquiry to AM about replacement windows. Thanks to all who have submitted suggestions. Freezing is an idea I would never have thought of. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 1/24/2008 3:37:07 PM Central Standard Time, roger.nulton@... writes: Earl, See if American Models sells replacement glass for their units. I know SHS does. You'll save yourself a lot of grief. It's tough to remove the plastic "glass" without damaging it, and masking it off is time consuming. Roger Nulton **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46880	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Flyonel train sets-comercial message

Are you looking for the Alton set, the Blue Comet set, or the Docksider set? There are a few of each on hand at G & M Train & Hobby where I work part time. Call 740/633-6055 10am to 4pm EST Monday thru Saturday. They also carry SHS and AM Models as well as Flyonel. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46881	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: You can be a Flatulene dealer!

Flatulene dealerships are availible now! Decals are availible from Hamm River Model Products in Canal Winchester, Ohio, for $4.99 a set. Their website is www.hammriver.com These decals originated due to the popularity of my Flatulene stories on the On30 Conspiracy Yahoo group a few years back. The "official" company logo decals are printed in different colors, and are made to fit the Bachmann 0n30 tank car. However, they also fit S gauge tank cars, Hartoy tank trucks and small billboards. Stumpy Stone, CEO, Flatulene Fuels

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46882	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Question re repainting American Models E8s - remo

Another car modeling idea would be to use Bare Metal Foil for a mask. Just burnish it down thoroughly with a q tip and trim with a sharp x acto blade. You could then even seal the edges with a clear coat and carefully pull off the foil when done. Bob ken garber <garber.ken@...> wrote: I had picked up an undecorated (aka unlettered). I had to break out the windows (most if not all glued in pretty good). Even dumping it in stripper didn't particularly weaken the bond. AM does have a replacement glazing set for the E. I have another E8 to do some day and what I may try first is to use some of those liquid masking products on the windows, and then remove them when complete. Ken On 1/24/08, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote: > I have a pair of American Models NYC E8s that I want to repaint. Do you have > any experience removing the window inserts and other details to prepare these > models for repainting? Did the windows come out easily? Or did you wish > you had never started this? > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46883	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Question re repainting American Models E8s ...

In a message dated 1/24/2008 6:04:48 PM Central Standard Time, canambob91710k@... writes: Another car modeling idea would be to use Bare Metal Foil for a mask. Just burnish it down thoroughly with a q tip and trim with a sharp x acto blade. You could then even seal the edges with a clear coat and carefully pull off the foil when done. Bob Thanks for another great suggestion - Earl Henry **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46884	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed -- Digest Number 3930

And, why would TMCC be a dead end subject? Both DCC and TMCC are good systems with their particular strengths. One should choose according to one's particular requirements. Two extensive and excellent articles on applying TMCC to S Gauge and AF were published in 'S Gaugian' last year. One can visit Carl Tuvesen's web site to see what can be done with TMCC. Any layout can be made TMCC-capable by connecting JUST ONE wire to your base post. If one uses TPC300s or TPC 400s with traditional transformers, or a modern era ZW by itself, one obtains walk around operation of all AC-powered vintage AF motive power with ABSOLUTELY NO need to modify any equipment. For many of us that's a real plus. Switches and accessories can be operated via CC by incorporating SC-2s. Lionel has also produced the TMCC-equipped USRA Mikados and Pacifics, which are certainly in the first rank of the new scale-detailed high rail S-gauge steam engines. Walking on stage is Legacy, which as it now stands can be used to improve start up and smooth running of the TMCC-equipped Mikes and some of the Gilbert, too. If experience with the new JLC Legacy Big Boy is any indicator, further significant improvements in operation and sounds will be available for the hobbyist as Legacy technology is introduced into future AF engines. Again, both DCC and TMCC are good systems. One should make a selection (or use both!), however, after carefully considering what trains one owns and how one runs them. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/24/2008 6:34:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: The only thing close to DCC was Lionels Trainmaster system and to me that was a deadend subject. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46885	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Gasoline brands

i am tickled that the thread has continued as many of us have gas stations on our layouts. i have 2, esso(banta) and mobil(pine canyon). i have clarified a couple of the responses off list. it is such a complicated subject, and the moves of names versus refiners versus distributors covers many books, but i will respond to one post by mike marmer who said no trains were given out by gas stations.... as amazing as it sounds, shell oil, one of the largest oil or any type of companies in the world, gave out trains fairly recently, about 1993. they had a set of a steam engine with a shell logo, a tender, atank car, and a caboose, given one at a time with a fill-up. as an exxon employee with discount at the time, i got a full set in houston tx by going by the local shell station at bellaire blvd and greenbriar st. 4 times.... they are displayed in the train room as we type.... dale reynolds, pendleton sc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46886	From: pab11147	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Diesel horn static

Hello All! All three of the dummy diesel horns on my Alcos sometimes emit a slight squawk when I power the engines on. They also do this occasionally as they go around the track (without using the control button at all). This happens about 25-30% of the time I operate the trains. Since all three do it, I suspect an electrical/common issue which will probably (hopefully) be familiar to many of you. As ever , thanks in advance for your help and insights. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46887	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel horn static

This is a common phenomenon. Cleaning the track and wheelsets may help. If part of the track power AC cycles are missing due to poor track connections the horn unit can think it is seeing the DC trigger command. This also may be due to other factors like noise from motor loading, car lighting and the power source's purity. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of pab11147 Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:49 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Diesel horn static Hello All! All three of the dummy diesel horns on my Alcos sometimes emit a slight squawk when I power the engines on. They also do this occasionally as they go around the track (without using the control button at all). This happens about 25-30% of the time I operate the trains. Since all three do it, I suspect an electrical/common issue which will probably (hopefully) be familiar to many of you. As ever , thanks in advance for your help and insights. Paul Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46888	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fallen Oil Brands/Sinclair Oil

Hi! I love it! Got any spare signs? Have fun! Bill I created my own brand a few years ago; Flatulene. It's availible on almost every layout I've built since! Stumpy Stone...gassed up and ready to go in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46889	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil

Hi Robert -- How about sending me a photo? Have fun! Bill Winans I used to work under one of those signs in about 1960 in Portland OR. I have a Pine Canyon gas station done in Richfield colors with that sign on the canopy. Bob Boring Hi all -- I have fond memories of the HUGE Richfield service station sign in Berkeley, CA as a kid. It must have been an Eagle all done up in neon light and probably close to 20 feet tall. Does anyone know about these? Have fun! Bill Winans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46890	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed -- Digest Number 3930

The TMCC system is "Lionel" not NMRA compliant. After reading enough posts and "for sales" on this website and others to use the popular add phrase " I dont see why anyone would buy a Toyota". Lionel has treated us of S as second class citizens. I don't like that. They could have become a player and joined Lenz, Digitrax, NCE,MRC etc. They didnt. Enough said. To each his own. ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46891	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Gasoline brands

Dale, Thanks for the information on the Shell trains. I picked up a set at an estate sale last year but had no information on when they were produced, other than a coupon that expired in 1996. I've added a picture in my album at Demo Layout Greensboro MD of the set, still in plastic bags. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: reynoldsjmus To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gasoline brands i am tickled that the thread has continued as many of us have gas stations on our layouts. i have 2, esso(banta) and mobil(pine canyon). i have clarified a couple of the responses off list. it is such a complicated subject, and the moves of names versus refiners versus distributors covers many books, but i will respond to one post by mike marmer who said no trains were given out by gas stations.... as amazing as it sounds, shell oil, one of the largest oil or any type of companies in the world, gave out trains fairly recently, about 1993. they had a set of a steam engine with a shell logo, a tender, atank car, and a caboose, given one at a time with a fill-up. as an exxon employee with discount at the time, i got a full set in houston tx by going by the local shell station at bellaire blvd and greenbriar st. 4 times.... they are displayed in the train room as we type.... dale reynolds, pendleton sc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46892	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel horn static

Hello if you can provide a little more info. Are these original Flyer locos or newer Flyonel? Bill Drake in some snow over night but it is too dark to see how much Central Virginia pab11147 wrote: > Hello All! > All three of the dummy diesel horns on my Alcos sometimes emit a slight > squawk when I power the engines on. They also do this occasionally as > they go around the track (without using the control button at all). > This happens about 25-30% of the time I operate the trains. Since all > three do it, I suspect an electrical/common issue which will probably > (hopefully) be familiar to many of you. > As ever , thanks in advance for your help and insights. > Paul > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46893	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed -- Digest Number 3930

I hate being in a position of appearing to defend Lionel, and I don't dispute that S is a stepchild product for them, but the fact is TMCC can be a conventional AC train operating system and DCC is not. TMCC will never be attractive to someone who is predominantly DC. Anyone who has looked at DC and DCCcan see its advantages. Now look at it from the perspective of people who have a lot of old O or S AC engines they wish to run, but don't wish to alter in any way. TMCC offers them some of the benefits available to DCC operators, with less complexity. I can see that it fills a niche that is real in the marketplace. When TMCC was released in 1996, and by the way The Lenz DCC system became NMRA compliant in the same year. There was not a good way to provide individual control of AC rail road locomotives. The long history of AC railroading provides so many old AC locomotives out in railroaders hands that the reason for needing both seems obvious to me. There is no reason that TMCC and DCC cannot coexist. They fill a similar need for different segments of the model RR market. There is obviously an overlap in the market segments, but I think to imply that this was some deliberate flaunting of NMRA standards is not really accurate. You would probably never convert to TMCC, but you don't need to. The fact that TMCC has no value to you is not proof that it doesn't have value to someone, or that Lionel was thumbing their nose at anyone when Neil Young drove its development in the mid 90's. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, DPDB@... wrote: > > The TMCC system is "Lionel" not NMRA compliant. After reading enough > posts and "for sales" on this website and others to use the > popular add phrase " I dont see why anyone would buy a Toyota". > Lionel has treated us of S as second class citizens. I don't like that. > They could have become a player and joined Lenz, Digitrax, NCE,MRC > etc. They didnt. Enough said. To each his own. > > > ************** > Biggest > Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46894	From: Robert Boring	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil

Bill, I'll see if I can figure out how to post a picture. I've never done that. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE; Sinclair Oil Hi Robert -- How about sending me a photo? Have fun! Bill Winans I used to work under one of those signs in about 1960 in Portland OR. I have a Pine Canyon gas station done in Richfield colors with that sign on the canopy. Bob Boring Hi all -- I have fond memories of the HUGE Richfield service station sign in Berkeley, CA as a kid. It must have been an Eagle all done up in neon light and probably close to 20 feet tall. Does anyone know about these? Have fun! Bill Winans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46895	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Information needed -- Digest Number 3930

1. Toyota builds excellent automobiles with great efficiency, is about to be come the world's biggest auto manufacturer, and is openly emulated by GM and Ford. Is Toyota an analogy you wish to choose? 2. To continue the auto analogy, none of the S gauge 'Big Three' (Lionel/AF, SHS, and AM) have a truly complete line of trains. Lionel addresses a part of the market that the other two do not and is complementary to them. The positive way to approach S gauge is to choose from each of the three (and from everybody else) those things which suit one's own needs and desires. Most of us have done this. 3. NMRA compliant? Both of my layouts and the majority of those in S gauge are not NMRA compliant. A very large portion (a majority?) of S gauge layouts are (still) Gilbert Flyer centric. If a CC system is openly supported and improved upon by the largest train manufacturer/importer in the US, is very compatible with those AF centric layouts, and is very easily installed at modest cost, why not consider adopting their system? Lionel may have gone their own way 11 years ago, in part, because TMCC is a more clever approach than DCC and more easily adapted to a wide range of (existing) layouts. 4. One can go on (and on and on) about how Lionel has or hasn't short-changed Flyer. Obviously, they could do more and better. Hopefully, they will get 'back on track' when the lawsuit and bankruptcy issues are resolved. In the meantime, TMCC/Legacy is available to us, is very well-suited to those of us with Gilbert Flyer derived layouts. The new scale-detailed TMCC/RS5 Mikados, Pacifics, new heavyweights, and accessory reissues are pretty darned nice to have, too. As you say, to each his/her own. ;-) Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/25/2008 7:04:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: The TMCC system is "Lionel" not NMRA compliant. After reading enough posts and "for sales" on this website and others to use the popular add phrase " I dont see why anyone would buy a Toyota". Lionel has treated us of S as second class citizens. I don't like that. They could have become a player and joined Lenz, Digitrax, NCE,MRC etc. They didnt. Enough said. To each his own. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46896	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: 2008 NASG National Convention Dispatch stuff

Getting very close to deadline -- any articles, photos, etc. coming my way for Feb. issue??? Jeff ________________________________ > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > From: mgreene@... > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:10:14 -0500 > Subject: [S-Trains] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 2008 NASG National Convention > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > November 16, 2007 > > 2008 NASG National Convention > www.nasg2008.com > August 5-10, 2008 > Lowell, MA, USA > > The 2008 NASG (National Association of S Gaugers) National Convention > host committee is pleased to announce the winners in our first three > Monthly Drawings for 2008 Convention registrants. The 2008 NASG > National Convention is being held August 5-10, 2008 in historic > Lowell, Massachusetts, birthplace of the American Industrial > Revolution, and is being hosted by the Bristol S Gauge Railroaders club. > > As an incentive to register early for the 2008 NASG National > Convention, all convention registrants are automatically entered in > monthly drawings open only to those who have sent in their paid > convention registration. Each registrant is entered in the monthly > drawings beginning the month following the receipt of their paid > convention registration. Winners will be notified by email or phone. (Note 1) > > The winners and their prizes for the first three Monthly drawings are: > > August: > * Skip Readio - Twin Whistle Gas/Grocery (40's era) Structure Kit > (donated by Port Lines Hobby Supplies) > * Bill Whitmore - 2008 Convention T-Shirt > > September: > * Jamie Bothwell - Pine Canyon #370 Dump, Master Kit (donated by > Port Lines Hobby Supplies) > * Bob Lachen - 2008 Convention T-Shirt > > October: > * Bruce Russell - 2008 Convention Logo Briefcase > * Tom Robichaud - 2008 Convention T-Shirt > Have you registered yet? If not ensure that your paid registration > reaches us by November 30 to be eligible for the next monthly drawing > on December 10. All registrants are automatically entered in each > monthly drawing with the exception that once selected as a winner, > the registrant is removed from future monthly drawings. The earlier > you register the more opportunities you have to win! > > In addition to the Monthly drawings, the 2008 National Convention is > also sponsoring a "First 60" Drawing, open only to the first sixty > (60) convention registrants who are not members of the Bristol S > Gauge Railroaders. Among the prizes for this drawing are five free > room nights at the 2008 convention hotel, a Hobo Tour ticket, two > 2008 Convention Cars, and four $25 Dealer Hall Gift Certificates. > Winners in this drawing will be announced at the 2008 National > Convention. So don't delay -- mail your paid registration today to be > entered in both the monthly drawings and have the opportunity to > participate in the "First 60" drawing. > > The 2008 NASG National Convention will offer attendees a selection of > the best New England has to offer in rail and non-rail tours as well > as layout tours, clinics, two dealer halls, limited edition > convention cars and more. Join us for tours on the Mt. Washington Cog > Railway up to the top of Mount Washington, the highest peak in the > eastern United States, the Notch Train operated by the Conway Scenic > Railroad through the beautiful White Mountains, the Hobo & > Winnipesaukee Scenic Railroads as they wind their way through the > picturesque Lakes Region of New Hampshire, and a tour of the ongoing > historic Flying Yankee trainset restoration. Experience American > history at its best in with a complimentary admission & guided tour > of the Lowell National Historic Park, and optional professionally > guided tours to Lexington & Concord's Minute Man National Historic > Park, and to historic Boston with Duck Boats, the Freedom Trail, > Faneuil Hall & Quincy Market, the Bunker Hill Monument and the USS > Constitution. See a variety of layouts including Gene Kelley's > super-detailed S gauge layout featured in the July 2006 issue of > Classic Toy Trains and George Sellios' acclaimed Franklin & South > Manchester Railroad (open only to tour ticket holders). Complete > convention information as well as registration forms can be found on > the convention web site at www.nasg2008.com > > We invite everyone to join us in New England at the 2008 National > Convention as we celebrate the 60th Anniversary of the Bristol S > Gauge Railroaders. > > [end] > > ------------ > Note 1: In compliance with Canadian law, Canadian residents, in order > to win the prize, must first correctly answer unaided, a > time-limited, mathematical skill-testing question by phone at a > pre-determined mutually convenient time or by mail/fax. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA > > NASG 2008 National Convention, Aug 5-10, 2008, Lowell, MA > > National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg2008.com > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46897	From: Robert Boring	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil

Bill, If you will send me your e-mail address off line I will send you a couple of pictures. I can't seem to get them to go to Yahoo. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE; Sinclair Oil Hi Robert -- How about sending me a photo? Have fun! Bill Winans I used to work under one of those signs in about 1960 in Portland OR. I have a Pine Canyon gas station done in Richfield colors with that sign on the canopy. Bob Boring Hi all -- I have fond memories of the HUGE Richfield service station sign in Berkeley, CA as a kid. It must have been an Eagle all done up in neon light and probably close to 20 feet tall. Does anyone know about these? Have fun! Bill Winans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46898	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Gasolene and the AM RS-2

- GreetingS - The subject should indicate questions about two not-connected items. Does anyone in this august group known as S-gaugers remember which firm called its product `Gasolene'? My memory says this was the case in the 1940's. Methinks it may have been Sinclair or Texaco. Does anyone have a repair to be shared for an ailment in an AM RS-2? Not sure how many modelers enjoyed this loco before I got it. The ailment is that it starts running with the short hood forward. No doubt this was the preferred direction. Except for some of us who live in the Southern or Norfolk & Western sevice areas. This loco now runs about 10 feet with short hood forward until one of the two gearboxes binds. Running long hood forward, it appears willing to run forever (but I know better). Presently the little spur gears are caged in the plastic housing. Clearly the caging is worn enough to let the teeth of one gear ride up on top of teeth of the mating gear. That is, with the gears turning in one direction. My cure may be to drill the gears for steel stub shafts and drill locating holes for these shafts in the housing. Should I do this? What alternatives do I have? Answering the gasolene question may be easier! CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46899	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Gasolene and the AM RS-2

You can take apart the case and get a complete new set of gears most likely. I got a set from American Models a few years back. They weren't very expensive. ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46900	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: transformer pictures needed for The Gilbert Gallery

The Gilbert Gallery now has a simplified URL: TheGilbertGallery.org The old one still works, so no links or bookmarks need to be changed. This just makes it easier to remember and type. I have finished uploading all the transformer pictures I have, but still need a few, and would like better pictures of a few others. If you have any of the following, I would greatly appreciate a picture of the top and of the face where the wires connect. 2B 75-watt Transformer 3 50-watt Transformer 5 50-watt Transformer 5A 50-watt 25 cycle Transformer 5B 50-watt Transformer 6A 75-watt 25 cycle Transformer 7B 75-watt Transformer 9B 150-watt Transformer 16B 190-watt Transformer 16C 35-watt Transformer 17B 190-watt Transformer 22020 50-watt Transformer 22034 110-watt Transformer 22040 110-watt Transformer 22060 175-watt Transformer 22080 300-watt Transformer Several people have asked what kind of picture is best. At least 800X600 dpi resolution; the bigger it is, the better resolution we get. And, of course, a jpg file is best. Check out the three-page gallery of transformers at: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/infrastructure_Transformers.html --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46901	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Fw: Sinclair Oil Corporation: Sinclair History Inquiry

I sent a email to Sinclair asking what happen to Sinclair, after I remember BP taking over the stations in my area of living. Although it is not train related, I thought I would pass along this reply from Mr. Watson. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Watson To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: RE: Sinclair Oil Corporation: Sinclair History Inquiry Hi Michael, During the late 60's Sinclair fell on hard times, and was broken into 3 parts. Atlantic Richfield Oil Co (ARCO) purchased the company, but for a deal a fraction of the size of the large mergers today, was not allowed to keep the entire company due to a Federal Trade Commission ruling (FTC). ARCO was allowed to keep the west coast states and Alaska. BP got everything east of the Mississippi River. The remaining 13 mid-western states were sold to another party who then sold, (what they had not sold off after their acquisition), to the current owners, who also acquired the original corporate name and logos. Sinclair has now grown to doing business in 26 states and is hoping to continue to expand. Thank you for your interest in Sinclair Oil! Robert Watson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: webmaster@... [mailto:webmaster@...] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:41 PM To: Robert Watson Subject: Sinclair Oil Corporation: Sinclair History Inquiry Subject: History of Sinclair Hi, I was shocked and amaze to see that there is still Sinclair Gasoline. I remember that in the 1960's that Sinclair here on the east coast became part of BP. My question to you is, is this Sinclair, a new start up company or was Sinclair always Sinclair in the west. What started my query, is that I just got a Sinclair Gas Sign from a gas pump framed and told some others. Someone mentioned to me that Sinclair is still available in CO. Thanks for you time. Mike Marmer Germatown, MD From: Michael Marmer mlmarmer@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46902	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Richfield Oil photos

Robert -- Scalesonly@... should work. Thanks! Bill Bill, If you will send me your e-mail address off line I will send you a couple of pictures. I can't seem to get them to go to Yahoo. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46903	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: transformer pictures needed for The Gilbert Gallery

Thank you for asking! I always forget about the export transformers. I have a good picture of the 8B, but that's the only export transformer picture I have. If anyone has any of the others, I would greatly appreciate your sending them! Please include the plug in the picture of the nameplate. Bob Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: Robert, are you interested in pictures of a 4B-EX, 8B-EX and an 18B-EX for overseas use? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: s-trains list Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 12:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] transformer pictures needed for The Gilbert Gallery The Gilbert Gallery now has a simplified URL: TheGilbertGallery.org The old one still works, so no links or bookmarks need to be changed. This just makes it easier to remember and type. I have finished uploading all the transformer pictures I have, but still need a few, and would like better pictures of a few others. If you have any of the following, I would greatly appreciate a picture of the top and of the face where the wires connect. 2B 75-watt Transformer 3 50-watt Transformer 5 50-watt Transformer 5A 50-watt 25 cycle Transformer 5B 50-watt Transformer 6A 75-watt 25 cycle Transformer 7B 75-watt Transformer 9B 150-watt Transformer 16B 190-watt Transformer 16C 35-watt Transformer 17B 190-watt Transformer 22020 50-watt Transformer 22034 110-watt Transformer 22040 110-watt Transformer 22060 175-watt Transformer 22080 300-watt Transformer Several people have asked what kind of picture is best. At least 800X600 dpi resolution; the bigger it is, the better resolution we get. And, of course, a jpg file is best. Check out the three-page gallery of transformers at: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/infrastructure_Transformers.html --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] #ygrp-mkp { BORDER-RIGHT: #d8d8d8 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 14px; BORDER-TOP: #d8d8d8 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 14px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 14px 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #d8d8d8 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d8d8d8 1px solid; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } #ygrp-mkp HR { BORDER-RIGHT: #d8d8d8 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #d8d8d8 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #d8d8d8 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d8d8d8 1px solid } #ygrp-mkp #hd { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 85%; MARGIN: 10px 0px; COLOR: #628c2a; LINE-HEIGHT: 122% } #ygrp-mkp #ads { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px } #ygrp-mkp .ad { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } #ygrp-mkp .ad A { COLOR: #0000ff; TEXT-DECORATION: none } --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 25/01/2008 11:24 --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46904	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Gasolene and the AM RS-2

Hi Rhett -- Although not cheap, you can get new trucks directly from AM. Otherwise, if you are capable of doing accurate drilling, I think your idea is fine. Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Rhett George To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gasolene and the AM RS-2 - GreetingS - The subject should indicate questions about two not-connected items. Does anyone in this august group known as S-gaugers remember which firm called its product `Gasolene'? My memory says this was the case in the 1940's. Methinks it may have been Sinclair or Texaco. Does anyone have a repair to be shared for an ailment in an AM RS-2? Not sure how many modelers enjoyed this loco before I got it. The ailment is that it starts running with the short hood forward. No doubt this was the preferred direction. Except for some of us who live in the Southern or Norfolk & Western sevice areas. This loco now runs about 10 feet with short hood forward until one of the two gearboxes binds. Running long hood forward, it appears willing to run forever (but I know better). Presently the little spur gears are caged in the plastic housing. Clearly the caging is worn enough to let the teeth of one gear ride up on top of teeth of the mating gear. That is, with the gears turning in one direction. My cure may be to drill the gears for steel stub shafts and drill locating holes for these shafts in the housing. Should I do this? What alternatives do I have? Answering the gasolene question may be easier! CheerS, Rhett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46905	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Repair that drives me crazy

Hi Group! Replacing brushes and springs on prewar New Haven 3/16" and early postwar 'S' really drives me crazy. You know -- the dreaded slotted brushes and lever type springs. Thought I'd ask the group -- been meaning to for years. Do any of you have any magic to easily do this procedure? Here's what I am currently doing: 1) Unsolder wires to brass sleeves. 2) Remove brush plate, original springs and severely worn brushes. 3) Clean commutator and brush plate. 4) Loosely attach brush plate by barely starting the 2 screws -- just enough so when I put in the new brushes they can't fall out. 5) Put in brushes and slide new springs over the solder lug of the brush sleeve. 6) Now the fun(?). Try and use a dental tool and somehow push the short end of the spring through the slot and flip it up into it's groove in the brushplate. 7) Tighten screws and re-solder wires. Step 6 can take a frustratingly long time and sometimes result in mangling a new spring in the process. Step 4 is meant to keep the tension on the spring to a minimum during step 6. I hope that I've been missing something dreadfully simple and one of you can help me out. Thanks for your time, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46906	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: DCC vs TMCC

Guys 'n Gals, No need to take sides or try to extoll the virtues of one over the other. I run both on my layout with the simple throw of a toggle switch. It's not brain surgery. Not even rocket science. If I can do it, anyone can. If you got em.....run em... Steve SnS Trains Boise **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46907	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Got gas ?

----- Original Message ----- From: Rhett George . . . . . . . . remember which firm called its product `Gasolene'? . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > While looking for an answer I found this. http://www.garageart.com/products_listpage.asp?Category=Vintage~Gas~-~Oil~Signs&Category2=&Cat=Category&Counter=0&NextPage=Y It's the first of 5 pages. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46908	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Snow Plow action

I just got this off of the Marx train group. Great movies of snow plow action. Be sure you go all the way to the one on the derailment. Wayne http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=651064

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46909	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Try#2: Want to contact Dave Ahn of Northampton, PA

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > I would like Dave's email address or phone number. > > I just purchased a custom engine made by him and have a question. > > Al Baker > Portland, OR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46910	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Collection Software - what's good?

I have seen three kinds of "collection software" advertised on ebay, etc. Does anyone have experience with it and can make recommendations? Right now I use MS Excel, but are those other programs any good? Thanks in advance. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46911	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Repair that drives me crazy

Try making a brush retaining tool-cut a 2-tine fork out of .030 plastic card, making the tines long enough to protrude from the edge of the motor end cap. Assemble the brushes into the tubes with the end bell business end facing up, then hold the tool over the brushes to retract and retain them, reassemble the motor. Generally it'll be a one size fits all tool and you can use it on a wide variety of motors. John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46912	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Got gas ?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > While looking for an answer I found this. > http://www.garageart.com/products_listpage.asp?Category=Vintage~Gas~- ~Oil~Signs&Category2=&Cat=Category&Counter=0&NextPage=Y > It's the first of 5 pages. > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich > hi tom, thanks much for this link, it had just what i wanted in a repro nash sign, my dad worked for nash and ever tho they were not great cars, lots of wonderful childhood memories in them... dale reynolds, pendleton sc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46913	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Repair that drives me crazy

Is ".030 plastic" card credit card stock? Can I use an old expired credit card? Are there any pictures of the process any where? I don't know the terminology and can't visualize the process. I've never taken a motor apart but I have a couple that could use a tune-up. Thanks. Bob john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: Try making a brush retaining tool-cut a 2-tine fork out of .030 plastic card, making the tines long enough to protrude from the edge of the motor end cap. Assemble the brushes into the tubes with the end bell business end facing up, then hold the tool over the brushes to retract and retain them, reassemble the motor. Generally it'll be a one size fits all tool and you can use it on a wide variety of motors. John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46914	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: LocoMatic hook-up

From Alan Lambert I have the LocoMatic control that I got After I got the 2004 Mec Christmas loco from SHelper. My question is how to hook up the control to my transformer. 1. I have 4B AC transformer that is my primary power 2. I also want to run DC power. I have had to send my loco back to have the speaker replaced, and do not want that to happen again. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Alan Lambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46915	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Collection Software - what's good?

Back in 2003 friend of mine recommeded TrainTracker because it had the TM Guide price guide built in, and they provided annual "book value" updates so I didn't have to update them myself. It lets you put in a picture of each item you own (but you have to do it at the time you enter it into Train Tracker; you can't add it later!). It supports a wish list and supports selling with a "for sale" list, buyers, and sold lists. It has a variety of reports for the master catalog, your holdings, wish list, and sales lists. I've been very happy with it. http://www.collectorvalueguides.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CVG&Product_Code=TTSAMFLY&Category_Code= It does have its little quirks like no support for sets other than the value of the set; it doesn't tell you what's in the set or whether you have all the items necessary to assemble the set. And while it lets you print lists of things, it doesn't let you export lists to a file (probably to limit your ability to switch to a competitor's product). But the biggest problem is that the programmer that created it (yes, that's singular - one guy) left the company back in 2005 and they haven't found anyone to take it over. There have been no updates to the program or price lists since 2005. I inquired by email once, but got no reply and the website no longer has a "contact us" link; you have to call them at (800)589-7333 ext. 108, Monday-Friday 10AM-5PM Eastern time. Al, what are you doing with Excel? I am in the process of putting together an Excel file that lists all the Flyer engines, cars, and accessories (a byproduct of my Gilbert Gallery website) and which are in each set. I have had thoughts of expanding it to include an inventory of the items I own and an indicator of what I need to assemble each set. The bugaboo is that there's no easy way to get book values into it or to update them annually. Does anybody in the group know where to get an electronic "book value" update from Greenberg or anywhere else? An annual update would be ideal, but I'd take a one-time shot if that's all I can get. Bob Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote: I have seen three kinds of "collection software" advertised on ebay, etc. Does anyone have experience with it and can make recommendations? Right now I use MS Excel, but are those other programs any good? Thanks in advance. Al Baker Portland, OR --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46916	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Collection Software - what's good?

Hi Bob, Thanks for your reply. I don't think I want to get into TrainTracker if the support is now gone. But your evaluation is interesting and useful in considering other packages. Regarding excel, I use rather unsophisticated spreadsheets, but it works good for me. I have columns of whatever info you want to record, then add my train items in rows. I put in the price I pay for items plus shipping, and calculate the total. Also I enter what I think is the current value and calaulate the totals. I have separate worksheets for locomotives, cars, equipment, etc. I have never attempted insert photos, but the capability is there. Yes, it would be nice to get curent values updated automatically. I could send you a template if you like, but don't expect anything great. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Collection Software - what's good? Back in 2003 friend of mine recommeded TrainTracker because it had the TM Guide price guide built in, and they provided annual "book value" updates so I didn't have to update them myself. It lets you put in a picture of each item you own (but you have to do it at the time you enter it into Train Tracker; you can't add it later!). It supports a wish list and supports selling with a "for sale" list, buyers, and sold lists. It has a variety of reports for the master catalog, your holdings, wish list, and sales lists. I've been very happy with it. http://www.collectorvalueguides.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CVG&Product_Code=TTSAMFLY&Category_Code= It does have its little quirks like no support for sets other than the value of the set; it doesn't tell you what's in the set or whether you have all the items necessary to assemble the set. And while it lets you print lists of things, it doesn't let you export lists to a file (probably to limit your ability to switch to a competitor's product). But the biggest problem is that the programmer that created it (yes, that's singular - one guy) left the company back in 2005 and they haven't found anyone to take it over. There have been no updates to the program or price lists since 2005. I inquired by email once, but got no reply and the website no longer has a "contact us" link; you have to call them at (800)589-7333 ext. 108, Monday-Friday 10AM-5PM Eastern time. Al, what are you doing with Excel? I am in the process of putting together an Excel file that lists all the Flyer engines, cars, and accessories (a byproduct of my Gilbert Gallery website) and which are in each set. I have had thoughts of expanding it to include an inventory of the items I own and an indicator of what I need to assemble each set. The bugaboo is that there's no easy way to get book values into it or to update them annually. Does anybody in the group know where to get an electronic "book value" update from Greenberg or anywhere else? An annual update would be ideal, but I'd take a one-time shot if that's all I can get. Bob Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote: I have seen three kinds of "collection software" advertised on ebay, etc. Does anyone have experience with it and can make recommendations? Right now I use MS Excel, but are those other programs any good? Thanks in advance. Al Baker Portland, OR --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46917	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Gasolene and the AM RS-2

To change the start up direction of these locomotives from short hood to long hood, un-solder and swap the motor leads, resolder in the new positons. You may neew longer wire in some cases. Alan Udy Idaho Falls, ID _____________________________________________________________ Beauty Product Reviews Read unbiased beauty product reviews and join our product review team! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/JKFkuJi7GiXaTqPMQ7aWlZskIfueBEbdf6bLI90lg2OFBZDCLo7YBF/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46918	From: roy inman	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: 2008 NASG National Convention Dispatch stuff

Jeff, I think our KC S Gaugers group has never submitted anything for the club section. If there is sufficient time, I would like to put together a short piece on our activities the past year. Please let me know the drop dead deadline. Roy From: Jeffrey Madden <nasgdispatch@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:56:13 +0000 To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 2008 NASG National Convention Dispatch stuff Getting very close to deadline -- any articles, photos, etc. coming my way for Feb. issue??? Jeff ________________________________ > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > From: mgreene@... <mailto:mgreene%40cedarlane.com> > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:10:14 -0500 > Subject: [S-Trains] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 2008 NASG National Convention > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > November 16, 2007 > > 2008 NASG National Convention > www.nasg2008.com > August 5-10, 2008 > Lowell, MA, USA > > The 2008 NASG (National Association of S Gaugers) National Convention > host committee is pleased to announce the winners in our first three > Monthly Drawings for 2008 Convention registrants. The 2008 NASG > National Convention is being held August 5-10, 2008 in historic > Lowell, Massachusetts, birthplace of the American Industrial > Revolution, and is being hosted by the Bristol S Gauge Railroaders club. > > As an incentive to register early for the 2008 NASG National > Convention, all convention registrants are automatically entered in > monthly drawings open only to those who have sent in their paid > convention registration. Each registrant is entered in the monthly > drawings beginning the month following the receipt of their paid > convention registration. Winners will be notified by email or phone. (Note 1) > > The winners and their prizes for the first three Monthly drawings are: > > August: > * Skip Readio - Twin Whistle Gas/Grocery (40's era) Structure Kit > (donated by Port Lines Hobby Supplies) > * Bill Whitmore - 2008 Convention T-Shirt > > September: > * Jamie Bothwell - Pine Canyon #370 Dump, Master Kit (donated by > Port Lines Hobby Supplies) > * Bob Lachen - 2008 Convention T-Shirt > > October: > * Bruce Russell - 2008 Convention Logo Briefcase > * Tom Robichaud - 2008 Convention T-Shirt > Have you registered yet? If not ensure that your paid registration > reaches us by November 30 to be eligible for the next monthly drawing > on December 10. All registrants are automatically entered in each > monthly drawing with the exception that once selected as a winner, > the registrant is removed from future monthly drawings. The earlier > you register the more opportunities you have to win! > > In addition to the Monthly drawings, the 2008 National Convention is > also sponsoring a "First 60" Drawing, open only to the first sixty > (60) convention registrants who are not members of the Bristol S > Gauge Railroaders. Among the prizes for this drawing are five free > room nights at the 2008 convention hotel, a Hobo Tour ticket, two > 2008 Convention Cars, and four $25 Dealer Hall Gift Certificates. > Winners in this drawing will be announced at the 2008 National > Convention. So don't delay -- mail your paid registration today to be > entered in both the monthly drawings and have the opportunity to > participate in the "First 60" drawing. > > The 2008 NASG National Convention will offer attendees a selection of > the best New England has to offer in rail and non-rail tours as well > as layout tours, clinics, two dealer halls, limited edition > convention cars and more. Join us for tours on the Mt. Washington Cog > Railway up to the top of Mount Washington, the highest peak in the > eastern United States, the Notch Train operated by the Conway Scenic > Railroad through the beautiful White Mountains, the Hobo & > Winnipesaukee Scenic Railroads as they wind their way through the > picturesque Lakes Region of New Hampshire, and a tour of the ongoing > historic Flying Yankee trainset restoration. Experience American > history at its best in with a complimentary admission & guided tour > of the Lowell National Historic Park, and optional professionally > guided tours to Lexington & Concord's Minute Man National Historic > Park, and to historic Boston with Duck Boats, the Freedom Trail, > Faneuil Hall & Quincy Market, the Bunker Hill Monument and the USS > Constitution. See a variety of layouts including Gene Kelley's > super-detailed S gauge layout featured in the July 2006 issue of > Classic Toy Trains and George Sellios' acclaimed Franklin & South > Manchester Railroad (open only to tour ticket holders). Complete > convention information as well as registration forms can be found on > the convention web site at www.nasg2008.com > > We invite everyone to join us in New England at the 2008 National > Convention as we celebrate the 60th Anniversary of the Bristol S > Gauge Railroaders. > > [end] > > ------------ > Note 1: In compliance with Canadian law, Canadian residents, in order > to win the prize, must first correctly answer unaided, a > time-limited, mathematical skill-testing question by phone at a > pre-determined mutually convenient time or by mail/fax. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA > > NASG 2008 National Convention, Aug 5-10, 2008, Lowell, MA > > National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg2008.com > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > __________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46919	From: William Porter	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Doyle Book Question

Hi Folks, I noticed the reference to the David Doyle book: "Catalog of American Flyer Trains" in CTT. That sounded interesting, so, I looked at the reviews on Amazon. They are mixed. The gist of them seems to be that the Gilbert, s-gauge section is excellent and the sections on s-scale o-gauge, regular o-gauge and on wide gauge are short and not very accurate. I already have references for all three gauges of American Flyer production including the "O'Brien" book with Doyle's name on it. My question to any of you who have this book is: Are the sections on O-Gauge flyer and on wide gauge Flyer much good? Do they have any information not already presented in the Greenberg series or the Riddle book on Standard Gauge? I looked through Yahoo groups, and our group on S-Trains is the closest match to this partially off-topic question. PS My train shed has been inspected. The electrical and A/C guys will let me know what's up with them next week. That all means my new layout infrastructure is progressing towards a start on benchwork and backdrop. Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46920	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Collection Software - what's good?

Robert Graves wrote: > Right now I use MS Excel, but are those other programs any good? Have you tried MS Access? It's a database program and starting with the household inventory template, you can customize it to your liking. It allows fields such a photo, appraised value, model number, description, etc, etc. I might try doing something with MySql as well and maybe something in php or perl to query and print reports. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46921	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/27/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 46922	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Doyle Book Question

Hi Bill, You can check the messages - we discussed this book when it was issued late last year. Just search for "Doyle" and that should find most of the related posts. BG-1 (Born and raised Floridian toughing it out in Atlanta) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "William Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I noticed the reference to the David Doyle book: "Catalog of American Flyer > Trains" in CTT. That sounded interesting, so, I looked at the reviews on > Amazon. They are mixed. The gist of them seems to be that the Gilbert, > s-gauge section is excellent and the sections on s-scale o-gauge, regular > o-gauge and on wide gauge are short and not very accurate. I already have > references for all three gauges of American Flyer production including the > "O'Brien" book with Doyle's name on it. > > > > My question to any of you who have this book is: Are the sections on O-Gauge > flyer and on wide gauge Flyer much good? Do they have any information not > already presented in the Greenberg series or the Riddle book on Standard > Gauge? > > > > I looked through Yahoo groups, and our group on S-Trains is the closest > match to this partially off-topic question. > > > > PS My train shed has been inspected. The electrical and A/C guys will let me > know what's up with them next week. That all means my new layout > infrastructure is progressing towards a start on benchwork and backdrop. > > > > Bill > > > > Bill Porter > > Loxahatchee, Florida > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46923	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: How Many Barrels?

Question for those in the know. How many barrels originally came with the USM Action Boxcar (25056)? Was it three? All replies appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46924	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Doyle Book Question

Thanks for the thought BG. I had done that. All of the comments I found had to do with s-gauge (not a shock) with a focus within that gauge on price accuracy. I was wondering about the treatments of the other gauges. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bull_Gator_1 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Doyle Book Question Hi Bill, You can check the messages - we discussed this book when it was issued late last year. Just search for "Doyle" and that should find most of the related posts. BG-1 (Born and raised Floridian toughing it out in Atlanta) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46925	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: LocoMatic hook-up

Alan, Just hook the black "in " wire to your transformer base post and the red "in" wire to the fixed voltage post. The corresponding black and red "out" wires go to your rails. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 01/26/2008 12:03:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, adlbert1950@... writes: From Alan Lambert I have the LocoMatic control that I got After I got the 2004 Mec Christmas loco from SHelper. My question is how to hook up the control to my transformer. 1. I have 4B AC transformer that is my primary power 2. I also want to run DC power. I have had to send my loco back to have the speaker replaced, and do not want that to happen again. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Alan Lambert **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46926	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Doyle Book Question

Bill- I have looked through the O gauge section with attention to the Gilbert accessories and there are some bogus pieces of information and some omissions. In general the Greenberg information is more accurate, but also is sketchy in parts. I have accessories not in the books and variations not listed. Some of the descriptions in the Doyle book are incorrect (red and white paint on the Mystic station for example). I have not closely looked at the non-Gilbert O gauge or the wide gauge sections. It is nice to have a reference with all of the Flyer information in one place and the Doyle photography is another source for information. In general I wouldn't trust the written information for specifics. Bill Drake Central Virginia --- Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > Thanks for the thought BG. I had done that. All of > the comments I found had > to do with s-gauge (not a shock) with a focus within > that gauge on price > accuracy. I was wondering about the treatments of > the other gauges. > > > > Bill > > > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Bull_Gator_1 > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:45 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Doyle Book Question > > > > Hi Bill, > > You can check the messages - we discussed this book > when it was > issued late last year. Just search for "Doyle" and > that should find > most of the related posts. > > BG-1 (Born and raised Floridian toughing it out in > Atlanta) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46927	From: Phil K	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Doyle book: a lotta sizzle, but where's the beef?

I got a copy of this book for Christmas. In addition to mucho PostWar Flyer, I have some Flyer PreWar 3/16", O gauge and Chicago Flyer. IMHO this book, which is presented attractively, leaves much to be desired. The photos should all have been captioned for identification. There aren't enough photos for my taste. The information on each piece is too brief and certainly not of the caliber and detail evident in the three Greenberg books, or Paul Nelson's AF book. The sections on PreWar Flyer are too brief and incomplete and could also use more photos. I have not had enough time to check the book for mistakes. I will leave that to those better qualified as Flyer experts. And finally, the prices listed are too low. From what he says in his mission statement, Mr. Doyle used dealers as his main source. So is it silly of me to suspect that the dealers he consulted might be tempted to submit prices that would be more along the prices they'd like to pay and not what they would sell for? I see Stouts auctions were also a source for this book's pricing. Most of the model train auctions I've watched on the Internet or attended in person usually see items (unless **ultra-rare**) selling below their "train show table cost" because the buyer is also including some or all of the 17 percent auction house vig and sales tax into his bids. Or, add 15 to 20 percent or more to the book's prices. In other words, I'd be thrilled to pay some of the prices listed in this book -- or better yet, claim I'm a "dealer" and offer 50 percent of those prices -- as the book takes care to inform the reader. Still waiting for someone to do it right, I remain Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "William Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I noticed the reference to the David Doyle book: "Catalog of American Flyer > Trains" in CTT. That sounded interesting, so, I looked at the reviews on > Amazon. They are mixed. The gist of them seems to be that the Gilbert, > s-gauge section is excellent and the sections on s-scale o-gauge, regular > o-gauge and on wide gauge are short and not very accurate. I already have > references for all three gauges of American Flyer production including the > "O'Brien" book with Doyle's name on it. > > > > My question to any of you who have this book is: Are the sections on O-Gauge > flyer and on wide gauge Flyer much good? Do they have any information not > already presented in the Greenberg series or the Riddle book on Standard > Gauge? > > > > I looked through Yahoo groups, and our group on S-Trains is the closest > match to this partially off-topic question. > > > > PS My train shed has been inspected. The electrical and A/C guys will let me > know what's up with them next week. That all means my new layout > infrastructure is progressing towards a start on benchwork and backdrop. > > > > Bill > > > > Bill Porter > > Loxahatchee, Florida > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46928	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Great S at Big East show!

Friends, I just got back from the big east show (http://www.railroadhobbyshow.com/) which I went to at the suggestion of Don from S-Helper. Wow - fantastic show - and plenty of S (S- Helper, Port Lines and at least 10+ other S-flyer tables/layouts). What amazed me was that S-helper's section was probably about as big as MTH's. Anyhoo, worth the trip for anybody on the fence about going tomorrow. I was also pleased to see many, many children at this show! in contrast to several of the recent Greenburg show's. Best, Jordan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46929	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Video AM FP7 and 302 Atlantic TMCC and Sound

I posted some video of a couple of my TMCC conversions with Sound commanders installed. The FP7 was a DC model I got off eBay a few years ago. The 302 is one of the 5 piece casting versions that I got as a part of a box of junk and had no motor or e unit. FP 7 has the ERR minicommander for control and the ERR Sound commander II - Diesel (F3 / F7 Series) chipset The 302 is a can motor conversion using the gear reduction can motor Carl Tuveson sold a few years ago, and an ERR beep commander with a sound commander II using Atlantic chipset w/reed triggered chuff. There is an extra clip of the FP 7 in the middle I intended to edit out, sorry for the repetition, but hey it is still a train :-) If you listen close you can hear the throttle changes in the diesel chip set. I as going to video my AM E8 which has the Alco PA chipset, and has more noticeable throttle step changes, but I filled my memory card up doing this and haven't been back. Perhaps I will shoot it and my AM Northern. at the same time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gDol31Tke8 Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46930	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Doyle Book Question...my take

A customer recently brought one of these into the hobby shop for us to page through. I, too, would have liked more pictures and info, although I'm not a collector. As a modifier of both new and old stuff, I try to avoid the rarer and pricier items, unless I find them in a junk box. But are the Doyle prices too low? Talking with the store owners, long time toy train collectors in S,O, and Standard Gauge, we agreed that the S gauge stuff at train shows is usually way over what it's worth for the condition it's in. Greenberg Guide prices are set up to keep prices climbing so there will be plenty of vendors and collectors hustling for items, which then sells more Greenberg Guides! But how many Lionel postwar and MPC collectors got burned because of this several years ago when that market collapsed? High prices for old trains are keeping people out of S gauge. However, this works FOR the new manufacturers of S, as they make a product far superior in appearance and operation, and at a price much more realistic than buying old Flyer. The recent growth of S gauge is due to the new manufacturers. If the gauge is to survive and thrive it will be due to them. As a scale, S is a "nitch" as train sizes go, and if you want to see more of it made, more people will have to get into the hobby to buy it. High prices at train shows isn't helping bring in new operators OR new collectors of S gauge. Stumpy Stone...putting on my fire suit now!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46931	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: LocoMatic hook-up

I run both AC and DC with the Locomatic control. My transformer is hooked up so I can select AC or DC and there is a passing siding. When I'm on straight DC my DC loco it performs as expected with polarity reverse. When I switch tracks over to the Locomatic F3 the diesel sound comes on and the loco responds to the Locomatic buttons. The Locomatic runs on either AC or DC, and I notice the top speed is slightly higher on AC. I am not using the fixed voltage, I run off the base and variable posts with the voltage set about halfway (12V) Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@... Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LocoMatic hook-up Alan, Just hook the black "in " wire to your transformer base post and the red "in" wire to the fixed voltage post. The corresponding black and red "out" wires go to your rails. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 01/26/2008 12:03:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, adlbert1950@ <mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net> sbcglobal.net writes: From Alan Lambert I have the LocoMatic control that I got After I got the 2004 Mec Christmas loco from SHelper. My question is how to hook up the control to my transformer. 1. I have 4B AC transformer that is my primary power 2. I also want to run DC power. I have had to send my loco back to have the speaker replaced, and do not want that to happen again. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Alan Lambert **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music. <http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025> aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46932	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Doyle Book Question...my take

Got to agree with Mr. Stone and others that the prices at trains shows are way over actual prices you can get the trains for. David Doyle's book is a much more accurate vision of where the prices are at. I have spent the last 10+ years monitoring select dealers at the York and other meets and for the most part their trains are at or above the Greenburg prices and those items are not selling. At least 4 major dealers at York have had the exact same pieces (dozens of items) there every meet for the last 10 yrs with prices so high that they have never sold. Doesn't make much sense to me why they would keep carting these trains to every meet without lowering the prices a little to get them moving but it is their choice I guess. As for me I have been collecting AF trains for over 30yrs, have several thousand peices most in E+ or better condition and have never paid Greenburg prices. Well there is my two cents on the subject. Who's next? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Doyle Book Question...my take A customer recently brought one of these into the hobby shop for us to page through. I, too, would have liked more pictures and info, although I'm not a collector. As a modifier of both new and old stuff, I try to avoid the rarer and pricier items, unless I find them in a junk box. But are the Doyle prices too low? Talking with the store owners, long time toy train collectors in S,O, and Standard Gauge, we agreed that the S gauge stuff at train shows is usually way over what it's worth for the condition it's in. Greenberg Guide prices are set up to keep prices climbing so there will be plenty of vendors and collectors hustling for items, which then sells more Greenberg Guides! But how many Lionel postwar and MPC collectors got burned because of this several years ago when that market collapsed? High prices for old trains are keeping people out of S gauge. However, this works FOR the new manufacturers of S, as they make a product far superior in appearance and operation, and at a price much more realistic than buying old Flyer. The recent growth of S gauge is due to the new manufacturers. If the gauge is to survive and thrive it will be due to them. As a scale, S is a "nitch" as train sizes go, and if you want to see more of it made, more people will have to get into the hobby to buy it. High prices at train shows isn't helping bring in new operators OR new collectors of S gauge. Stumpy Stone...putting on my fire suit now! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46933	From: briggsmodels	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Briggs Models Speeder project update-

Hello all, The Briggs Models Speeder project is coming along quickly now. I have taken some photos of the pre-production model and posted them onto the briggsmodels.com website. Please take a look. If you are one of my customers that has reserved, I will be sending emails out later on today as well. Thank you, Jeff Briggs, Owner Briggs Models briggsmodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46934	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Doyle Book Question...my take

That explains something for me. There is a seller on eBay at the moment who is annoying the heck out of me by posting vastly overpriced Standard Gauge stuff - in some cases junker category reasonably common stuff at near three figures. The reason it is annoying is that there are pages of it to scroll through. When I raised the issue of his prices he said that was what they "sold" for at train shows. Obviously his "sold" is the same as the asking price for items in antique shops that remain on the shelves, unsold for years. Alistair --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> wrote: > > Got to agree with Mr. Stone and others that the prices at trains shows are way over actual prices you can get the trains for. David Doyle's book is a much more accurate vision of where the prices are at. I have spent the last 10+ years monitoring select dealers at the York and other meets and for the most part their trains are at or above the Greenburg prices and those items are not selling. At least 4 major dealers at York have had the exact same pieces (dozens of items) there every meet for the last 10 yrs with prices so high that they have never sold. Doesn't make much sense to me why they would keep carting these trains to every meet without lowering the prices a little to get them moving but it is their choice I guess. > > As for me I have been collecting AF trains for over 30yrs, have several thousand peices most in E+ or better condition and have never paid Greenburg prices. Well there is my two cents on the subject. Who's next? :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stumpy Stone > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:03 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Doyle Book Question...my take > > > A customer recently brought one of these into the hobby shop for us > to page through. I, too, would have liked more pictures and info, > although I'm not a collector. As a modifier of both new and old > stuff, I try to avoid the rarer and pricier items, unless I find > them in a junk box. But are the Doyle prices too low? > Talking with the store owners, long time toy train collectors in > S,O, and Standard Gauge, we agreed that the S gauge stuff at train > shows is usually way over what it's worth for the condition it's > in. Greenberg Guide prices are set up to keep prices climbing so > there will be plenty of vendors and collectors hustling for items, > which then sells more Greenberg Guides! But how many Lionel postwar > and MPC collectors got burned because of this several years ago when > that market collapsed? > High prices for old trains are keeping people out of S gauge. > However, this works FOR the new manufacturers of S, as they make a > product far superior in appearance and operation, and at a price > much more realistic than buying old Flyer. The recent growth of S > gauge is due to the new manufacturers. If the gauge is to survive > and thrive it will be due to them. > As a scale, S is a "nitch" as train sizes go, and if you want to > see more of it made, more people will have to get into the hobby to > buy it. High prices at train shows isn't helping bring in new > operators OR new collectors of S gauge. > Stumpy Stone...putting on my fire suit now! > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46935	From: beebear	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Briggs Models Speeder project update-

Hi Jeff Could you put a ruler next to the speeder and get a picture of that on your site!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: briggsmodels To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Briggs Models Speeder project update- Hello all, The Briggs Models Speeder project is coming along quickly now. I have taken some photos of the pre-production model and posted them onto the briggsmodels.com website. Please take a look. If you are one of my customers that has reserved, I will be sending emails out later on today as well. Thank you, Jeff Briggs, Owner Briggs Models briggsmodels.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46936	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: More Video TMCC AM E8 and Northern

I have posted 3 more videos on youtube. 1. My Erie Pacific during break-in gives a few of valve gear action. Link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz3O8v2JVMc 2. My American Models Santa Fe Northern. This was purchased as a DC unit has the Cruise commander with the pennsy sound set on the sound commander II. I left the loco wiring in tact and am using the original tether plug. The only disadvantage is that smoke cannot be turned of via TMCC. I don't mind using the manual switch for smoke though. At one point I hold the tender to the track going forward and then later backward. The video is dark, but you can see that the wheels maintain the same rate of speed. I am using the same part number speaker used in the Flyonel Mikado for this Loco. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1r8ohE4WAU 3. This is my American Models DC E8 converted to TMCC using a minicommander and the sound commander II with the Alco diesel sound set. The speaker in this is a 1.25 diameter round speaker using a film canister as a baffle. At some point I need to have a go at making a ported base reflex enclosure. I got these round speakers for about a 1.50 each, and they will fit in almost any S item, except for perhaps the docksiders. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdhgTHQrD_4 These are all very nice running locos. I love the way the SF Northern holds a slow chuff up hill down heavy load or light. I plan to put a trimmer on the sound card and drop the tone a little at some point in the future. The link to Electric railroad is below: http://www.electricrr.com/ Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46937	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: More video lashup FP-7/E-8/PA-1

Another youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/v/8zgpLjgfoh0 For some reason the first second or two is all haze after uploading to Youtube, but hang in there and this goes away. All three of these are TMCC converted with sound sets from Electric Railroad. The F7 is American Models as is the E8, and the Alco PA is Lionel/Flyer I have the lashup setup so all three engines are audible, and all three horns and bells. This will probably be the last video for a while as the noise of this has led my wife to "nationalize" the table. Gonna have to start on that layout I guess. Mark Kiner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46938	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: More video

I noticed that, it does clear up. Sooooooo, I was going to ask you, your wife lets you use the dinning room table for trains?!? Rick. > > > For some reason the first second or two is all haze after uploading to > Youtube, but hang in there and this goes away. > This will probably be the last video for a while as the noise of this > has led my wife to "nationalize" the table. > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46939	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/27/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 46940	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Undrestanding wife

Hey, Rick, Mark isn't the only one with an understanding wife! Cindy let's me use the bar between the kitchen and living room to build small layouts on! No, not every l;ayout was built there, but it has been the "shop" for several Micro layouts! (However, she draws the line at building and painting the models and trains themselves.) I think this is because she likes to see the scenery done and likes to run thew trains as the layout progresses. Stumpy in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46941	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: What's new on the Layout

We've been busy on the layout lately. Here is an update page with an assortment of new photos. http://www.tuveson.com/updates/updates.htm Busy Busy Busy Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46942	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout

Oh man, this is impressive. Please send more pics as it progresses. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 1/27/2008 5:33:54 PM Central Standard Time, carl@... writes: We've been busy on the layout lately. Here is an update page with an assortment of new photos. _http://www.tuveson.http://www.thttp://www._ (http://www.tuveson.com/updates/updates.htm) Busy Busy Busy Carl **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46943	From: briggsmodels	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Briggs Models Speeder project update-

Haha..I was going to but the camera ran out of batteries. I will do that soon. Jeff Briggs, Owner Briggs Models briggsmodels.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beebear" <beebear@...> wrote: > > Hi Jeff > > Could you put a ruler next to the speeder and get a picture of that on your site!! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46944	From: Timboy	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout

Hi Carl, That is going to be one fabulous model RR when you are done! Your work is impeccable. Thanks for sharing. I look forward to more updated pics. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46945	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Carl's Pics

That doesn't look like a basement or attic. WOW! What a MAN CAVE. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46946	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout

Carl, I have followed your work for many years now. It is exceptional and proves many ideas for those of us that dream of bigger and better. Keep the pictures, repair ideas, and techniques coming. Clifford Manning Topeka, KS ---- Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > We've been busy on the layout lately. Here is an update page with an > assortment of new photos. > http://www.tuveson.com/updates/updates.htm > > Busy Busy Busy > > Carl > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46947	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Flyonel UP 809

This video (I was able to sneak in another one) I was thinking while I was operating my UP809 Northern that I had not seen examples of the sound system out of the box on the group. So for any of you that wonder what the Flyonel Northern sounds like, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-EEJPMrANw Conventional e-unit railsounds using TMCC cab1 remote and TPC400 for drive and sound. Loco totally out of the box. (no TMCC conversion of sound or motive power) Mark Kiner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46948	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Repair that drives me crazy

YThanks John, Had to think about this for a while, but I now grasp the concept. I have one repair to do this coming week with the lever-style brushes so I'll be fashioning a tool and try to 'git er done'. Don 4a. Re: Repair that drives me crazy Posted by: "john isn't eddie anymore" druvnik@... druvnik Date: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:27 am ((PST)) Try making a brush retaining tool-cut a 2-tine fork out of .030 plastic card, making the tines long enough to protrude from the edge of the motor end cap. Assemble the brushes into the tubes with the end bell business end facing up, then hold the tool over the brushes to retract and retain them, reassemble the motor. Generally it'll be a one size fits all tool and you can use it on a wide variety of motors. John Marganski ---------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46949	From: hobo47203	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Locomotive for trade

Hello All! Greetings from the Hoosier State! I have been going through my S equipment and making some decisions about what I really need (spelled want)on my first home layout. I am in the process of building my new empire and making good progress. My progress in building this layout has caused me to go through all those "Some Day When I get Space for a Layout Purchases". This has included taking a look at the locomotives I have. I have in my collection an S-Helper Pennsy SW-1 unit #5953 which I have run a few times. It is still set up with the Flyer compatable couplers and wheels. It comes with its original box and scale wheels. I would like to see if anyone out there in S land would like to trade me for a S Helper Conrail SW9/1200? If you are interested please contact me off list. Thank You and don't forget to mark your calendars to attend the 5th annual Indianapolis S Show on Saturday November 8, 2008 and the Hoosier S Gaugers Summer Event at the Columbus Area Railroad Club on Saturday June 21, 2008. Bob Morrison Hoosier S Gaugers Columbus, Indiana

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46950	From: Scale S Only	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout

As a scale S type person, I am still VERY impressed! Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ We've been busy on the layout lately. Here is an update page with an assortment of new photos. http://www.tuveson.com/updates/updates.htm Busy Busy Busy Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46951	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Repair that drives me crazy!

Don, On the postwar S trains, I deal with the brush springs by pulling on the spring tail, that sticks straight out of the brush tube, lifting the spring until I can nest it into the little "V" groove in the plastic at the top of ghe tub area, just where the slot starts. I believe that's why the groove is there, as I cannot see any other real purpose for it. This holds the spring out of the way so the brushes can be removed, and replaced. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46952	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Collection Software - what's good?

As a dealer who carries TrainTracker, I've been in continual contact with Bangzoom. The last thing I was told was that no updates were in the works, "and probably were not going to happen in the future". The GOOD news, however, is that the programmer whom Bob referred to.....the guy who actually created TT......has gone out on his own, and is soon to release his own new program, along the same line as TT, but improved. As far as I know, it is not ready for release yet, but getting closer (I last talked with him at York, last fall). You can check it out at www.trainminder.com <http://www.trainminder.com/> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46953	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Repair that drives me crazy!

You got it David. That's what I do too. Must be the correct way then ....... I Steve SnS Trains Boise n a message dated 01/27/2008 11:23:27 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, djdewey@... writes: Don, On the postwar S trains, I deal with the brush springs by pulling on the spring tail, that sticks straight out of the brush tube, lifting the spring until I can nest it into the little "V" groove in the plastic at the top of ghe tub area, just where the slot starts. I believe that's why the groove is there, as I cannot see any other real purpose for it. This holds the spring out of the way so the brushes can be removed, and replaced. S' David D. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46954	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Collection Software - what's good?

Thanks Doug! Looks like something worth watching for. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > As a dealer who carries TrainTracker, I've been in continual contact > with Bangzoom. The last thing I was told was that no updates were in the > works, "and probably were not going to happen in the future". The GOOD > news, however, is that the programmer whom Bob referred to.....the guy > who actually created TT......has gone out on his own, and is soon to > release his own new program, along the same line as TT, but improved. As > far as I know, it is not ready for release yet, but getting closer (I > last talked with him at York, last fall). > > You can check it out at www.trainminder.com > <http://www.trainminder.com/> > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application% 20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> > www.flyerparts.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application% 20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46955	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Great S at Big East show!

It was certainly packed. I think SHS had more space then MTH. SHS had lots of stuff to sell. Only due to the fire drill was I able to get to say hi to Doug Peck. jhl1963 <jhl1963@...> wrote: Friends, I just got back from the big east show (http://www.railroadhobbyshow.com/) which I went to at the suggestion of Don from S-Helper. Wow - fantastic show - and plenty of S (S- Helper, Port Lines and at least 10+ other S-flyer tables/layouts). What amazed me was that S-helper's section was probably about as big as MTH's. Anyhoo, worth the trip for anybody on the fence about going tomorrow. I was also pleased to see many, many children at this show! in contrast to several of the recent Greenburg show's. Best, Jordan --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46956	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Great S at Big East show!

The weekend of the 19th and 20th saw the annual Coastal Rail Buffs model railroad show here in Savannah... and I was quite surprised to see a dealer with at least two, maybe three tables of mainly AF stuff, but some SHS as well. This makes the second year in a row that S scale has shows its head at a show here in the southeast. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: frank emiro To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: January 28, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Great S at Big East show! It was certainly packed. I think SHS had more space then MTH. SHS had lots of stuff to sell. Only due to the fire drill was I able to get to say hi to Doug Peck. What amazed me was that S-helper's section was probably about as big as MTH's. Anyhoo, worth the trip for anybody on the fence about going tomorrow. I was also pleased to see many, many children at this show! in contrast to several of the recent Greenburg show's. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46957	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: The Big E

If you missed the show go to http://dominicsblog.spaces.live.com/ . The Bristol S Club is shown at DSC03171-79. SHS is at DSC03180. The Northern is SF # 2926 modeled after it's proto being restored in New Mexico . --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46958	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ350020

This is such a terrible thing to do to any train item, let alone a AF caboose. I hate Penn State!!!!!! And you would too, if your school got killed by them in college football 32 times out of 33. Oh the misery. The pain this bring back! Ah, but MD has won titles in football and basketball, something that PSU will never do!!! LOL Mike Marmer http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ350020054795QQihZ022QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46959	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: DCC vs TMCC

OK, the real downside for all of the S gauge mfgs. is that Lionel is willing to license all of the "O" gauge mfgs. but still refuses to license TMCC to "S" gauge loco makers. The NMRA allows anyone to use DCC with no license needed. Now, dozens of companies produces stuff for DCC. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46960	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ..

& being sold by your forvorite seller 2 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46961	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ35

Mr. Marmer - PSU has 2 National Football Championships and won the Big Ten twice? What football championship has the terds won? oops I mean Terps, and I mean have you ever seen a Caboose painted with a Green Turtle on it? J. Matsick MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: This is such a terrible thing to do to any train item, let alone a AF caboose. I hate Penn State!!!!!! And you would too, if your school got killed by them in college football 32 times out of 33. Oh the misery. The pain this bring back! Ah, but MD has won titles in football and basketball, something that PSU will never do!!! LOL Mike Marmer http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ350020054795QQihZ022QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46962	From: barb	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout

Carl, The progress on your layout is just awesome!!! What are you using for the strips to make the mountain structures? Is it cardboard? If so where did you get it? Can't wait to see photos of your next update. Keep 'em comin'! Great progress!!!.......... Barb -----Original Message----- >From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> >Sent: Jan 27, 2008 6:33 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] What's new on the Layout > >We've been busy on the layout lately. Here is an update page with an >assortment of new photos. >http://www.tuveson.com/updates/updates.htm > >Busy Busy Busy > >Carl > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46963	From: rlgriggs	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Brad Nelson's 'S' layout in the March '08 CTT

I read about Brad's great new layout in the latest CTT. I'd like to get some additional information regarding his 2-stall engine house shown on pgs. 66 & 72. Is Brad a member of this list? Or, does anyone have his eMail or regular mail address, or phone number? I'd like to ask him some questions about his engine house! Please let me know how to get in touch with Brad, offline. Thanks! Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46964	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ35

Mr. Matsick. Terp's won a Championship in 1954 and should of won it in 1950 too. So, since they won a BB championship, PSU and MD are tied for big titles. And to keep this train related, I have my custom 1954 HO Terp's Championship Box Car, made in the hometown of Joe Haenn! Rougemont, NC of all places. And no, Joe did not make the car, as the turtle on the car is RED not GREEN! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Matsick To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ350020054795QQihZ022QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Mr. Marmer - PSU has 2 National Football Championships and won the Big Ten twice? What football championship has the terds won? oops I mean Terps, and I mean have you ever seen a Caboose painted with a Green Turtle on it? J. Matsick MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: This is such a terrible thing to do to any train item, let alone a AF caboose. I hate Penn State!!!!!! And you would too, if your school got killed by them in college football 32 times out of 33. Oh the misery. The pain this bring back! Ah, but MD has won titles in football and basketball, something that PSU will never do!!! LOL Mike Marmer http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ350020054795QQihZ022QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46965	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ..

I know!!!! Hee Hee and yours too, I think. Good old Brian Wilson, cheating people on the insurance they pay for, but he does not get it for you. And the king of misleading descriptions. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CUSTOM-PENN-STATE-CABOOSE_W0QQitemZ... & being sold by your forvorite seller 2 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46966	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout

Barb, and all The mountains had been plywood long enough. Time for a change so now they are basket weave. They are the old tried and true low-tech build up method. The cardboard is just recycled from boxes that I cut with a 12" paper cutter. I removed the blade guard to make the strips long. Got to watch out for your fingers though and don't hurry! It's got a gizzillion staples in it as all the intersections are stapled for extra strength. Next is the Plastering.. (of the mountains) Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of barb Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What's new on the Layout Carl, The progress on your layout is just awesome!!! What are you using for the strips to make the mountain structures? Is it cardboard? If so where did you get it? Can't wait to see photos of your next update. Keep 'em comin'! Great progress!!!.......... Barb -----Original Message----- >From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> >Sent: Jan 27, 2008 6:33 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] What's new on the Layout > >We've been busy on the layout lately. Here is an update page with an >assortment of new photos. >http://www.tuveson.com/updates/updates.htm > >Busy Busy Busy > >Carl > > Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46967	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: AF Set Make-up

Good Morning All - Is anyone aware of a database/listing of the make-up of American Flyer sets? Something like the number of the set followed by the engine number, the rolling stock included, the transformer, the year issued, etc.? I have site that shows the catalogs by year, and I could just wade through that and copy them down, but I'm wondering if someone has already done this in the past. It would be helpful if it was in a database format that could be sorted by engine number, set number, etc. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46968	From: Timboy	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout

Hi Carl, Before you get plastered, let me share a little tip or three. I cut my cardboard strips by ripping them on a band saw. I go to the cardboard recycle area in my area and pick out big sheets or cut big sheets out of big boxes with a razor knife and sharp (new) blade. The big sheets are what I then rip down to strips. It's much easier, IMHO, than any other way. Also, try using broken ceiling tiles for sheer rock cliffs. It's amazing how much they look like rock when painted. I stuff lichen or green poly in the cracks or gaps I want to conceal. Again, this is an old tried 'n true method and I have discovered that the key to it is to work hastily and not too neat. Broken ceiling tiles can be stacked up with yellow glue or hot glue in any direction you want for flat rock ledges or heaved-up rock. I don't use any plaster with that method. I just use cheap white paint to kinda bind them and prime them after they are stacked and the glue has dried, then whatever paints I want as the top coat, working wet on wet. I've seen videos where guys carve their mountains out of foam board with amazing results. Foam board is not to be confused with styrofoam which just makes a mess and doesn't look too good after all the effort. Good luck Carl and please keep the progress pics coming! S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46969	From: porschebob1953	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Directronic Propulsion

Recently I was browsing through the ACG 1948 "Superman" catalog and saw a page extolling the virtues of the AF Directronic Propulsion locomotives. These had DC motors and had to be used in combination with the Directronic Rectifier that converted AC to DC. If AF had engines with DC motors back in 1948, why didn't DC powered locomotives not catch on until "modern" times?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46970	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout

Tim, Thanks for the tips. I have all the strips I need cut now but the band saw is a good idea. I used foam already on part of the layout where I wanted removable scenery and will use it again on the perimeters that will also use removable scenery. I can carve them in the garage. I do not like to work on foam in the basement due to the fumes and mess but foam can make some neat rocks etc. I will try some of the ceiling tile method in some areas too. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Timboy Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What's new on the Layout Hi Carl, Before you get plastered, let me share a little tip or three. I cut my cardboard strips by ripping them on a band saw. I go to the cardboard recycle area in my area and pick out big sheets or cut big sheets out of big boxes with a razor knife and sharp (new) blade. The big sheets are what I then rip down to strips. It's much easier, IMHO, than any other way. Also, try using broken ceiling tiles for sheer rock cliffs. It's amazing how much they look like rock when painted. I stuff lichen or green poly in the cracks or gaps I want to conceal. Again, this is an old tried 'n true method and I have discovered that the key to it is to work hastily and not too neat. Broken ceiling tiles can be stacked up with yellow glue or hot glue in any direction you want for flat rock ledges or heaved-up rock. I don't use any plaster with that method. I just use cheap white paint to kinda bind them and prime them after they are stacked and the glue has dried, then whatever paints I want as the top coat, working wet on wet. I've seen videos where guys carve their mountains out of foam board with amazing results. Foam board is not to be confused with styrofoam which just makes a mess and doesn't look too good after all the effort. Good luck Carl and please keep the progress pics coming! S-Happens! Tim Brown Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46971	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: DCC vs TMCC

The way to go in S Gauge is SHS with DCC, once you try it there is no other way to operate your trains. Talk about 21st Century, DCC is it! Jerry Matsick Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: OK, the real downside for all of the S gauge mfgs. is that Lionel is willing to license all of the "O" gauge mfgs. but still refuses to license TMCC to "S" gauge loco makers. The NMRA allows anyone to use DCC with no license needed. Now, dozens of companies produces stuff for DCC. Don Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46972	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up

Jim, There was a site on the web in West Virginia, the gentleman had compiled all of the set info. If someone does not respond with that site I will check at home when I get off work this evening and send you the website and phone number. Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:50:28 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] AF Set Make-up Good Morning All -Is anyone aware of a database/listing of the make-up of American Flyer sets? Something like the number of the set followed by the engine number, the rolling stock included, the transformer, the year issued, etc.?I have site that shows the catalogs by year, and I could just wade through that and copy them down, but I'm wondering if someone has already done this in the past.It would be helpful if it was in a database format that could be sorted by engine number, set number, etc.Jim E. _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46973	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: What's new on the Layout

Please keep taking pics and video as you go. When the DVD comes out I'll want to buy it. This will no doubt be one of the premier S-gauge layouts of our time, all time.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46974	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up

Thanks Larry. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> Jim, There was a site on the web in West Virginia, the gentleman had compiled all of the set info. If someone does not respond with that site I will check at home when I get off work this evening and send you the website and phone number. Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:50:28 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] AF Set Make-up Good Morning All -Is anyone aware of a database/listing of the make-up of American Flyer sets? Something like the number of the set followed by the engine number, the rolling stock included, the transformer, the year issued, etc.?I have site that shows the catalogs by year, and I could just wade through that and copy them down, but I'm wondering if someone has already done this in the past.It would be helpful if it was in a database format that could be sorted by engine number, set number, etc.Jim E. __________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46975	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: AF Semaphore/Block signal/Sam - work with S-trax?

Friends, I'm not sure how they work so can anybody tell me if these will work with S-Trax or would I need to install an AF track section (do they clip to the track?) Thanks, Jordan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46976	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: More Train Video

Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbtG1j-Gk_g Both of these engines are TMCC converstions. The nice thing about it is they run well coupled up with a conventional Flyer trasformer with no TMCC signal. This makes it possible to run on anyone's AC layout. They both have gear reduction can motor conversions. The 302 has a sound commander with Atlantic whistle and reed triggered chuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46977	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF Semaphore/Block signal/Sam - work with S-trax?

Jordan- Sam (758 and 758A) should work without needing some Gilbert track in the loop. They do require a section of track with one rail isolated with insulating pins or gaps. The Gilbert 761 semaphore used pressure track trips and isolated track sections to work. The pressure track trips are touchy and should be replaced with something like the Lionel lineside infrared detectors (expensive). The isolated track section is the same as for the 758(A). The two signals recently reproduced by Lionel 787 and 788 would use a system similar to the 761 with the same requirements for detection and isolation. If you would like copies of the instruction sheets for the above, let me know. Bill Drake Central Virginia --- jhl1963 <jhl1963@...> wrote: > Friends, I'm not sure how they work so can anybody > tell me if these > will work with S-Trax or would I need to install an > AF track section > (do they clip to the track?) > > Thanks, > Jordan > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46978	From: teeb_1	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW Tender Relay - Part# XA11011

I've been looking back at posts involving the 314AW and, upon seeing yours, remembered seeing this relay listed on RFG's site: 2538 314AW Whistle Relay - replacement 20.00 I don't know if they actually have any but thought I'd pass this along in case you missed it since there were apparently no replies. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, wf tracy <wftmlt@...> wrote: > > I have had no luck finding anyone with the relay for the 314AW tender. I am told the part number is XA11011. Would anyone in this group happen to have one (new/used/rebuilt in good working condition)? Or, would anyone here know who has one. I have checked every site on the internet with no success and would be thankful if someone here could help. Thanks much! > > Tracy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46979	From: haug0264	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: S-helper

any one try the showcase line ? os the roadbed compatable with the old track ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46980	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up

Jim: I have looked thru my stack and have not found the info on the gentleman that has the Flyer Set database. I will keep looking and forward should I find it. Sorry, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:50:28 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] AF Set Make-up Good Morning All -Is anyone aware of a database/listing of the make-up of American Flyer sets? Something like the number of the set followed by the engine number, the rolling stock included, the transformer, the year issued, etc.?I have site that shows the catalogs by year, and I could just wade through that and copy them down, but I'm wondering if someone has already done this in the past.It would be helpful if it was in a database format that could be sorted by engine number, set number, etc.Jim E. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46981	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: S-helper

Yes the S Helper Showcaseline track is compatible with AF Track and Switches and there are conversion pins that work just fine, I will post a picture of how I did it. Jerry Matsick haug0264 <paul0264@...> wrote: any one try the showcase line ? os the roadbed compatable with the old track ? Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46982	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up

Jim The book that you are looking for is available thru Doug Peck at Portlines Hobby, phone 978-465-8798 site is doug@... The book info was collected by the late Robert Tufts. Name of the book is "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets" I think it is available for around $20 and is well worth it IMHO. Has lots of miscellaneous info besides. Good luck Al Paolozzi amflyral@...----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF Set Make-up Jim: I have looked thru my stack and have not found the info on the gentleman that has the Flyer Set database. I will keep looking and forward should I find it. Sorry, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:50:28 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] AF Set Make-up Good Morning All -Is anyone aware of a database/listing of the make-up of American Flyer sets? Something like the number of the set followed by the engine number, the rolling stock included, the transformer, the year issued, etc.?I have site that shows the catalogs by year, and I could just wade through that and copy them down, but I'm wondering if someone has already done this in the past.It would be helpful if it was in a database format that could be sorted by engine number, set number, etc.Jim E. __________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46983	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up

I believe that book is no longer in print. So what ever inventories are out there, now is the time to get a copy of this well done book. It is basically a listing of sets with what came in it. No description of the pieces, just to let you know, as that is not the purpose of the book. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Paolozzi To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Set Make-up Jim The book that you are looking for is available thru Doug Peck at Portlines Hobby, phone 978-465-8798 site is doug@... The book info was collected by the late Robert Tufts. Name of the book is "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets" I think it is available for around $20 and is well worth it IMHO. Has lots of miscellaneous info besides. Good luck Al Paolozzi amflyral@...----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF Set Make-up Jim: I have looked thru my stack and have not found the info on the gentleman that has the Flyer Set database. I will keep looking and forward should I find it. Sorry, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:50:28 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] AF Set Make-up Good Morning All -Is anyone aware of a database/listing of the make-up of American Flyer sets? Something like the number of the set followed by the engine number, the rolling stock included, the transformer, the year issued, etc.?I have site that shows the catalogs by year, and I could just wade through that and copy them down, but I'm wondering if someone has already done this in the past.It would be helpful if it was in a database format that could be sorted by engine number, set number, etc.Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46984	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: S-helper

Dear Jerry, Thank you. Robin and I Missed you at York. Don Jerry Matsick wrote: > Yes the S Helper Showcaseline track is compatible with AF Track and > Switches and there are conversion pins that work just fine, I will > post a picture of how I did it. > Jerry Matsick > > haug0264 <paul0264@... <mailto:paul0264%40msn.com>> wrote: > any one try the showcase line ? > > os the roadbed compatable with the old track ? > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville, Florida > TCA 04-57715 > NMRA > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46985	From: haug0264	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: S-helper

thanks --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > > Yes the S Helper Showcaseline track is compatible with AF Track and Switches and there are conversion pins that work just fine, I will post a picture of how I did it. > Jerry Matsick > > haug0264 <paul0264@...> wrote: > any one try the showcase line ? > > os the roadbed compatable with the old track ? > > > > > > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville, Florida > TCA 04-57715 > NMRA > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46986	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up

Sorry, but this book is long, long out-of-print, although if you can locate a copy, it is an excellent reference to have! We do carry a CD-ROM, "Set Searcher", which is very simple and quick to use. Enter a set number and it tells you what engine and cars were in that set. Enter an engine, or a car number, and it returns every set that item came in, with its other contents. You'll find it in the "Software" section of our online AF Parts Catalog. It is $20. <<<The book that you are looking for is available thru Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby...... The book info was collected by the late Robert Tufts. Name of the book is "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets">>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46987	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: S-helper

Don I miss seeing you all and all the good folk at York, will be up there in October Lord willing. However have a Naval Division Reunion in April. Any surprise releases coming from "The Showcase Line?" Jerry M Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: Dear Jerry, Thank you. Robin and I Missed you at York. Don Jerry Matsick wrote: > Yes the S Helper Showcaseline track is compatible with AF Track and > Switches and there are conversion pins that work just fine, I will > post a picture of how I did it. > Jerry Matsick > > haug0264 <paul0264@... <mailto:paul0264%40msn.com>> wrote: > any one try the showcase line ? > > os the roadbed compatable with the old track ? > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville, Florida > TCA 04-57715 > NMRA > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46988	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up

Thanks, Doug, that software sounds like what I'm looking for. I'll check your website -- I have it in my "favorites". Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> Sorry, but this book is long, long out-of-print, although if you can locate a copy, it is an excellent reference to have! We do carry a CD-ROM, "Set Searcher", which is very simple and quick to use. Enter a set number and it tells you what engine and cars were in that set. Enter an engine, or a car number, and it returns every set that item came in, with its other contents. You'll find it in the "Software" section of our online AF Parts Catalog. It is $20. <<<The book that you are looking for is available thru Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby...... The book info was collected by the late Robert Tufts. Name of the book is "The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets">>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46989	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic Propulsion

In a message dated 1/29/2008 10:12:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, arena-10@... writes: If AF had engines with DC motors back in 1948, why didn't DC powered locomotives not catch on until "modern" times? The reason most often given is the cost/reliablility of the rectifiers of the day. Currently the HO layout at TCA's NTTM is being totally rebuilt and as part of that effort, we are developing a display using elements from a late forties-early fifites layout. Interestingly enough, THAT layout had MRC rectifiers in use and they lasted til early 90's when the layout was packed and donated to TCA. The MRC rectifiers are smaller than anything ACG used (lower H O load??) and are very much intact. Tempted to fire them up one last time before closing the glass. MRC IS supporting our effort and has some GREAT A/C products for Flyer guys, BTW. Jim Lyle **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46990	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Directronic Control

This is a very good question, as operating on DC is simpler than AC. In fact the modern S gauge trains are actually DC motored but convert from AC track power! My only threory is that everyone at that time ran toy trains on AC, so Gilbert went back to it rather than have to make DC power packs and convert all accessories and everything in the product line to DC power. This would also have made older Flyer obsolete and unable to run with the DC trains. I have converted my old Flyer to all DC power with can motors for three years now. I don't have the sticky reverse units to wrestle with, switching cars in the yard is as easy as flicking a switch, and I can easily convert to DCC and those fabulous Tsunami sound systems if I want to. I wonder what would have happened if old A.C.G. had gone DC and sold his products as the step between toy and scale trains, as HO was growing rapidly in popularity then? He was perfectly positioned for it. These are questions that can be debated forever, but there can be no definative answer after all this time. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...in a cold and windy Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46991	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic Control

Stumpy- Sounds good in theory but not quite. AC trains and accessories run fine on DC. Direction control stays with the reverse unit and requires interrupting the current but AC and DC trains can be run with the same power pack on the same track. Gilbert even had some ads to this effect along with catalog speil showing the ability to reverse the AC train and DC train independently. I think it was a race between the cost of the DC power pack versus a straight transformer and the cost of the reverse unit versus the permanent magnet material in the DC motor. We tend to think now about the can motor convenience and availability, but in the late 40's and early 50's the alnico magnets were new and expensive and the older magnets tended to have a lifetime rated in a small number of years - posing a repair and customer dissatisfaction issue. AC motors did not have this problem. Also without all of those balky reverse units what would have kept the repair stations in business? Bill Drake Tender thumper in Virginia --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > This is a very good question, as operating on DC > is simpler than AC. > In fact the modern S gauge trains are actually DC > motored but convert > from AC track power! > My only threory is that everyone at that time ran > toy trains on AC, > so Gilbert went back to it rather than have to make > DC power packs and > convert all accessories and everything in the > product line to DC > power. This would also have made older Flyer > obsolete and unable to > run with the DC trains. > I have converted my old Flyer to all DC power with > can motors for > three years now. I don't have the sticky reverse > units to wrestle > with, switching cars in the yard is as easy as > flicking a switch, and I > can easily convert to DCC and those fabulous Tsunami > sound systems if I > want to. > I wonder what would have happened if old A.C.G. > had gone DC and sold > his products as the step between toy and scale > trains, as HO was > growing rapidly in popularity then? He was > perfectly positioned for it. > These are questions that can be debated forever, > but there can be no > definative answer after all this time. > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...in a cold and > windy Appalachia. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46992	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Directronic Propulsion

Tere are a couple of reasons that the DC sets weren't continued. The biggest reason was the lack of inexpensive rectifiers at the time. Also effecting it was the poor staying power of the magnetic fields. Technology has come a long ways since then! S' David D. SAVE THE DELTA QUEEN! www.save-the-delta-queen.org Help save this American Icon, it IS up to you! Write congress to support H. R. 3852 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46993	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: AF Semaphore/Block signal/Sam - work with S-trax?

Thank you Bill - appreciate it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46994	From: roy inman	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: New LAF offerings

Have not seen the new Lionel catalog in person, but I understand that they are offering a two-pack C&A add-on. Good news for us C&A fans who bought the set when they came out, and about time I say... I do know that there are a total of 14 pages of LAF stuff. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46995	From: Phil K	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: S-helper

Jerry, nice to have you back. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > > Yes the S Helper Showcaseline track is compatible with AF Track and Switches and there are conversion pins that work just fine, I will post a picture of how I did it. > Jerry Matsick > > haug0264 <paul0264@...> wrote: > any one try the showcase line ? > > os the roadbed compatable with the old track ? > > > > > > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville, Florida > TCA 04-57715 > NMRA > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46996	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic Control

Bill Drake wrote ...in the late 40's and early 50's the alnico magnets were new and expensive and the older magnets tended to have a lifetime rated in a small number of years - posing a repair and customer dissatisfaction issue. Recent Activity a.. 3New Members b.. 12New Photos Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. Wellness Spot on Yahoo! Groups A resource for living the Curves lifestyle. . __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46997	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic Control

Bill Drake wrote: "...in the late 40's and early 50's the alnico magnets were new and expensive and the older magnets tended to have a lifetime rated in a small number of years - posing a repair and customer dissatisfaction issue." I was able to get some DC versions of a number of locomotives, 332, 342, etc. at very good prices and would like to restore them with their original motors, but I would still like to run them. I haven't run them other than to test the motors with a somewhat underrated powerpack. I assume that because of the age of the magnets, they may be very poor performers. This may even be the reason that the DC units usually sell for less than the AC units. Is new magnet material available for a direct swap? I know I can just buy a can motor, but I would at least like to try and run with the old technology before doing that. One interesting phenomenon I found is that I even found DC versions of locomotives that were never made that way, such as a DC Atlantic, and a repainted 310 and 282 with DC motors. I figured it was most likely the result of someone taking their AC motors and switching them with the motors in less common DC motored units. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Directronic Control Stumpy- Sounds good in theory but not quite. AC trains and accessories run fine on DC. Direction control stays with the reverse unit and requires interrupting the current but AC and DC trains can be run with the same power pack on the same track. Gilbert even had some ads to this effect along with catalog speil showing the ability to reverse the AC train and DC train independently. I think it was a race between the cost of the DC power pack versus a straight transformer and the cost of the reverse unit versus the permanent magnet material in the DC motor. We tend to think now about the can motor convenience and availability, but in the late 40's and early 50's the alnico magnets were new and expensive and the older magnets tended to have a lifetime rated in a small number of years - posing a repair and customer dissatisfaction issue. AC motors did not have this problem. Also without all of those balky reverse units what would have kept the repair stations in business? Bill Drake Tender thumper in Virginia --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > This is a very good question, as operating on DC > is simpler than AC. > In fact the modern S gauge trains are actually DC > motored but convert > from AC track power! > My only threory is that everyone at that time ran > toy trains on AC, > so Gilbert went back to it rather than have to make > DC power packs and > convert all accessories and everything in the > product line to DC > power. This would also have made older Flyer > obsolete and unable to > run with the DC trains. > I have converted my old Flyer to all DC power with > can motors for > three years now. I don't have the sticky reverse > units to wrestle > with, switching cars in the yard is as easy as > flicking a switch, and I > can easily convert to DCC and those fabulous Tsunami > sound systems if I > want to. > I wonder what would have happened if old A.C.G. > had gone DC and sold > his products as the step between toy and scale > trains, as HO was > growing rapidly in popularity then? He was > perfectly positioned for it. > These are questions that can be debated forever, > but there can be no > definative answer after all this time. > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...in a cold and > windy Appalachia. > > __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46998	From: Joe Haenn	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All - > > Is anyone aware of a database/listing of the make-up of American Flyer > sets? Something like the number of the set followed by the engine > number, the rolling stock included, the transformer, the year issued, > etc.? > > I have site that shows the catalogs by year, and I could just wade > through that and copy them down, but I'm wondering if someone has > already done this in the past. > > It would be helpful if it was in a database format that could be sorted > by engine number, set number, etc. > > Jim E. > Jim, I sell a CD called Set Searcher, which is a computerized database for American Flyer trains. All you have to do is enter the AF loco or car number at the prompt, and the database displays the composition of all AF sets in which this entry is found. Entering the Set Number also retrieves the set. Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 46999	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up

There is also a fairly good one in the 2000 T&M price guide. Mike in Ore

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47000	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Directronic Propulsion

The AC to DC conversion technology back then was not very effiecient. It took a large rectifier to convert the AC power properly, and even with a very large AC transformer (Say an AF 30 or 19B or Lionel ZW) at 275 or 300 watts, not much DC power came out to the tracks. Today, with silicone bridge rectifiers, the conversion is very efficient, with precious little voltage loss. HO locomotives started the DC craze, but with their smaller motors, not as much power was needed. We are working on rebuilding the HO layout at the TCA museum and have original DC operating power form the 1950's by, you guessed it, MRC. I intend to convert some of my AF locos to DC (much easier now with DC can motors), and then do away with the nasty e-units in some. My wife's uncle used only DC operation in the early fifties on his AF layout. I have a picture of him at the control panel with his AF rectiformer clearly visible. Ben Stiles [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47001	From: teeb_1	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Flatcar (or not) Identification

I have a gray metal flatcar which is marked exactly the same as the frame of the 634 searchlight car (C. & N.W.R.Y. 42597) and is cast with the same part number (PA9952). However this car does not have an insulated truck/metal wheels as on the 634 car, and has six slots (not equally spaced) along the edges of the deck rather than the four that support the searchlight base on the 634. It also has two small pins protruding from the deck centered about a half inch from each end of the car. Lastly, it has black weights on the link couplers rather than the brass weights which are on my 634. I suspect that this car was not originally a flat car but was the frame for some other car. My guess is a 635 crane car but I don't have one and didn't find a picture on line. Does anyone know if this car was ever sold as a flatcar (given the slots and pins, I really doubt it for this particular unit)? Is it likely just the remnant of a 635 or other car? What cars that used this frame? To answer the obvious question - I really don't recall where I got this car but suspect it was in a lot I bought several years ago. Thanks. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47002	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: road bed update

Well, it has been over three weeks since the roadbed manufacturer, Vinyl Roadbed, got my order with check. They told me it would take 3 weeks from date of receipt to get the order out. I am not sure they are not overwhelmed with orders at this time of year, as it sounds like they make things to order once the check clears. By the way, it took 14 total days for the check to clear. I won a AF item on ebay and it took only 8 total days from the day I mailed the check till it cleared. Please roadbed just show up soon! The economy of my little town is depending on your arrival roadbed. My little town does not cut extra tax relief checks for the town with no shipment from the town or delivery of goods to other towns. My town may have to scrap the RR and go with a canal system. Building a canal on the layout might be faster right now. Also the economy for S Helper is being effected by all of this too! That is where I will get items I need for DCC and some S Helper engines. /\ /\ = ( . . ) = Logo for the now D&K Canal System. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47003	From: Phil K	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Flyonel Rock Island GP-9

Looking for a friend: NIB 2002 Flyonel Rock Island GP-9. Reply offline with price including shipping to Chicago area. Thanks, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47004	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic Control

Dale- Works both ways. I have a 334(DC) that appears to have been returned to the factory and made into an AC 334. The "DC" under the cab has been painted out with perfect match paint and the loco is equipped with an AC motor and reverse mechanism in the tender. It should be possible to remagnetize the field magnets. The Dutch Hornby group I am a part of has been talking about remagnetizing Hornby magnets for a while. When I get my dC units out of the box, I will check into it and may be able to devise a technique to do the magnet tricks. Bill Drake --- Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > Bill Drake wrote: > > "...in the late 40's and early 50's the alnico > magnets > were new and expensive and the older magnets tended > to > have a lifetime rated in a small number of years - > posing a repair and customer dissatisfaction issue." > > I was able to get some DC versions of a number of > locomotives, 332, 342, etc. at very good prices and > would like to restore them with their original > motors, but I would still like to run them. I > haven't run them other than to test the motors with > a somewhat underrated powerpack. I assume that > because of the age of the magnets, they may be very > poor performers. This may even be the reason that > the DC units usually sell for less than the AC > units. Is new magnet material available for a > direct swap? I know I can just buy a can motor, but > I would at least like to try and run with the old > technology before doing that. > > One interesting phenomenon I found is that I even > found DC versions of locomotives that were never > made that way, such as a DC Atlantic, and a > repainted 310 and 282 with DC motors. I figured it > was most likely the result of someone taking their > AC motors and switching them with the motors in less > common DC motored units. > > Dale Smith > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Drake > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:14 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Directronic Control > > > Stumpy- > > Sounds good in theory but not quite. AC trains and > accessories run fine on DC. Direction control > stays > with the reverse unit and requires interrupting > the > current but AC and DC trains can be run with the > same > power pack on the same track. Gilbert even had > some > ads to this effect along with catalog speil > showing > the ability to reverse the AC train and DC train > independently. I think it was a race between the > cost > of the DC power pack versus a straight transformer > and > the cost of the reverse unit versus the permanent > magnet material in the DC motor. We tend to think > now > about the can motor convenience and availability, > but > in the late 40's and early 50's the alnico magnets > were new and expensive and the older magnets > tended to > have a lifetime rated in a small number of years - > posing a repair and customer dissatisfaction > issue. AC > motors did not have this problem. Also without all > of > those balky reverse units what would have kept the > repair stations in business? > > Bill Drake > Tender thumper in Virginia > --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > This is a very good question, as operating on DC > > is simpler than AC. > > In fact the modern S gauge trains are actually > DC > > motored but convert > > from AC track power! > > My only threory is that everyone at that time > ran > > toy trains on AC, > > so Gilbert went back to it rather than have to > make > > DC power packs and > > convert all accessories and everything in the > > product line to DC > > power. This would also have made older Flyer > > obsolete and unable to > > run with the DC trains. > > I have converted my old Flyer to all DC power > with > > can motors for > > three years now. I don't have the sticky reverse > > units to wrestle > > with, switching cars in the yard is as easy as > > flicking a switch, and I > > can easily convert to DCC and those fabulous > Tsunami > > sound systems if I > > want to. > > I wonder what would have happened if old A.C.G. > > had gone DC and sold > > his products as the step between toy and scale > > trains, as HO was > > growing rapidly in popularity then? He was > > perfectly positioned for it. > > These are questions that can be debated forever, > > but there can be no > > definative answer after all this time. > > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...in a cold > and > > windy Appalachia. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47005	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Flyer Basher photos posted

I've been asked for a long time to put some pictures on here of the American Flyer junk box rebuilds I've done, and I finally have gotten around to it. I wish I could provide detail pix, but my camera isn't good enough. The photos are in the FLYER BASHER album, not Basher Stumpy album (which I don't know how to remove.) First up is a $35. 356 Silver Bullet which had flaking chrome, several cracks in the plastic shell, and lots of missing pieces. Second is a semi streamlined Pacific from a $20. junk box containing four 283 CNW type Pacifics and two junker Hudson tenders. Third is a 2-8-0 Consolidation that started as a 343 boiler and chassis in a junk box under a dozen freight cars for $30. Fourth is my rendition of a B&O Pacific from some of the above 283 junkers in the $20. junk box. Parts for these projects came from Portlines, American Models, S Helper Service, and Putt Trains. All have SnS Trains DC can motor conversions. There was also a small amount of scratchbuilding on them. And just to prove I don't pick on old Flyer only, I put on some pix of modern manufcatured rolling stock kit bashing. There are three American Models wood cabooses, one with capola removed, one with side cargo door installed, and one with the capola centered. I also used an undec S Helper wood reefer to make a John Allen style track cleaning car and graphiced for Old Dutch Cleanser using correct decals from Bob Anson. I hope to take these to the S Spree this year for display along with a layout. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47006	From: teeb_1	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Flatcar (or not) Identification - Update

As luck would have it I found a great gallery at http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/ shortly after my original post. There are several 635 crane car pics posted there that have the PA9952 frame, but none appear to have the slots or pins that are on my car. I also found pics of the 628 flatcat with log load that uses the PA9952 frame, but it only has four slots and no pins that I can see. Many 627 girder cars are pictured which also use the PA9952 frame, but they only have 4 slots and no visible pins. However, there is one pictured which is described as having the "the base for a #645 Work and Boom Car with a girder load mounted on it" and it appears to have the extra slots. But it is marked "American Flyer". On reviewing the pics of the 645 and 945 work cars there are several views that clearly show a pin on the open end of the car, which leads me to conclude that what I have is the frame for what was machined to be a 645 work & boom car, but wound up as something else. I say wound up as something else because all of the the work cars are marked "American Flyer" or "American Flyer Lines", not C.& N.W.RY. There's some commentary on the referenced site about whether the 627 car with the "645 base" is original, and the conclusion drawn was yes. Taking a hint from this discussion, I looked very closely at the slots on my car and there are some scratches underneath the deck which suggest that something was clamped on the deck at some point. With so many cars (I expect there are more than those mentioned above) using this frame with minor differences, it's easy to see how some might have have been purposely or indvertantly used to assemble a car other than that for which they were originally intended. So although I've discovered quite a bit about the car I have, the true nature of its origination is still a bit of a mystery. My best guess is that it was a Work & Boom car ... except for the inconsistency regards the marking. If anyone knows of a Work & Boom car marked C.& N.W.RY., that would pretty much nail it. It's not a crucial issue, but when the time comes to pass it on (via sale or inheritance) I'd like to have it properly identified. Thanks again, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47007	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer Basher photos posted

Nice work,...... I must say! You basher you. Rick. On Jan 30, 2008, at 5:39 PM, Stumpy Stone wrote: > I've been asked for a long time to put some pictures on here of the > American Flyer junk box rebuilds I've done, and I finally have gotten > around to it. I wish I could provide detail pix, but my camera isn't > good enough. The photos are in the FLYER BASHER album, not Basher > Stumpy album (which I don't know how to remove.) > First up is a $35. 356 Silver Bullet which had flaking chrome, several > cracks in the plastic shell, and lots of missing pieces. > Second is a semi streamlined Pacific from a $20. junk box containing > four 283 CNW type Pacifics and two junker Hudson tenders. > Third is a 2-8-0 Consolidation that started as a 343 boiler and > chassis in a junk box under a dozen freight cars for $30. > Fourth is my rendition of a B&O Pacific from some of the above 283 > junkers in the $20. junk box. > Parts for these projects came from Portlines, American Models, S > Helper Service, and Putt Trains. All have SnS Trains DC can motor > conversions. There was also a small amount of scratchbuilding on > them. > And just to prove I don't pick on old Flyer only, I put on some pix of > modern manufcatured rolling stock kit bashing. There are three > American Models wood cabooses, one with capola removed, one with side > cargo door installed, and one with the capola centered. I also used > an > undec S Helper wood reefer to make a John Allen style track cleaning > car and graphiced for Old Dutch Cleanser using correct decals from Bob > Anson. > I hope to take these to the S Spree this year for display along with > a layout. > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, Ohio > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47008	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up

Joe and Doug - Is Bob's son doing anything with Set Searcher? Is he still producing CDs or are you both selling out of inventory? While building The Gilbert Gallery, I was trying to figure out some way of collaborating with Bob on enhancing the product and correcting the errors that I found in the database (I found only a few, not many). When he died, his widow said she'd pass on my message to their son, but I never heard from him. I don't know whether he's carrying on or not. Bob Joe Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All - > > Is anyone aware of a database/listing of the make-up of American Flyer > sets? Something like the number of the set followed by the engine > number, the rolling stock included, the transformer, the year issued, > etc.? > > I have site that shows the catalogs by year, and I could just wade > through that and copy them down, but I'm wondering if someone has > already done this in the past. > > It would be helpful if it was in a database format that could be sorted > by engine number, set number, etc. > > Jim E. > Jim, I sell a CD called Set Searcher, which is a computerized database for American Flyer trains. All you have to do is enter the AF loco or car number at the prompt, and the database displays the composition of all AF sets in which this entry is found. Entering the Set Number also retrieves the set. Joe --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47009	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer Basher photos posted

Really well done! Did we see the Royal Blue set at the Spree last year? I need your advice on a basket case 356... Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47010	From: Michael Martino	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: road bed update

MICHAEL, suggest that you float a bond issue,the purpose would be Railroad reconstruction revenues, gtd by future revenue of the freight hauling of the said rail road. gives you working capitol, and purchasing power,and payroll payments. Great following your progress Mike Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Well, it has been over three weeks since the roadbed manufacturer, Vinyl Roadbed, got my order with check. They told me it would take 3 weeks from date of receipt to get the order out. I am not sure they are not overwhelmed with orders at this time of year, as it sounds like they make things to order once the check clears. By the way, it took 14 total days for the check to clear. I won a AF item on ebay and it took only 8 total days from the day I mailed the check till it cleared. Please roadbed just show up soon! The economy of my little town is depending on your arrival roadbed. My little town does not cut extra tax relief checks for the town with no shipment from the town or delivery of goods to other towns. My town may have to scrap the RR and go with a canal system. Building a canal on the layout might be faster right now. Also the economy for S Helper is being effected by all of this too! That is where I will get items I need for DCC and some S Helper engines. /\ /\ = ( . . ) = Logo for the now D&K Canal System. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47011	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: 356 restoration

It took a while but I came across a 356 that was affordable. But it is scratched, cracked and did not run. The pony truck is missing but is already on order. The good news: after disassembly, cleaning, surfacing the commutator, new brushes and springs, the chassis runs well and out- smokes anything else I have without having to touch the smoke unit. I replaced the reverse unit fingers just because it was open. The originals (and I believe they are) were not worn at all. The valve gear is all there and the tender has some rust but is not dented. The bad news: The chrome is at least 50% gone and the plastic shell has several nicks, gouges and cracks. It looks to have been tossed around, literally, and it is butt ugly. I have done micro body work before on a similarly abused set of 650 cars, one of which is now standing tall. The mounting posts for the pony truck are both broken off. The questions: What is the best way to remove the remaining chrome? How far up (measured from the top inside of the shell) do I need to build up the mounting posts for the front truck? I intend to build these up with good old JB Weld with embedded threaded inserts. The threaded inserts will also be used for the main mounting posts as they are also sloppy and cracking. This will never be a collector's item but has a lot of potential to look great on an operator's layout. (if I ever get one built instead of running on that same little loop of track which has been in the rec. room since Christmas 2006.. aside from a few cleanings) But that is a whole other story... Any advice is greatly appreciated! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47012	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restoration - Post Repair

Hi Tim, I have posted some photos of my method to repair broken screw posts on a plastic boiler shell. I used a plastic drinking straw for a mold, filled it with JB Weld, shaped the repair with a Dremel and then used a self tapping screw to set the threads. Take a look at: http://tinyurl.com/253krz While you're there check out my other photos as well as all the other great S-gauge photos! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > It took a while but I came across a 356 that was affordable. But it > is scratched, cracked and did not run. The pony truck is missing > but is already on order. > > The good news: after disassembly, cleaning, surfacing the > commutator, new brushes and springs, the chassis runs well and out- > smokes anything else I have without having to touch the smoke unit. > I replaced the reverse unit fingers just because it was open. The > originals (and I believe they are) were not worn at all. The valve > gear is all there and the tender has some rust but is not dented. > > The bad news: The chrome is at least 50% gone and the plastic shell > has several nicks, gouges and cracks. It looks to have been tossed > around, literally, and it is butt ugly. I have done micro body work > before on a similarly abused set of 650 cars, one of which is now > standing tall. The mounting posts for the pony truck are both > broken off. > > The questions: What is the best way to remove the remaining chrome? > How far up (measured from the top inside of the shell) do I need to > build up the mounting posts for the front truck? I intend to build > these up with good old JB Weld with embedded threaded inserts. The > threaded inserts will also be used for the main mounting posts as > they are also sloppy and cracking. > > This will never be a collector's item but has a lot of potential to > look great on an operator's layout. (if I ever get one built > instead of running on that same little loop of track which has been > in the rec. room since Christmas 2006.. aside from a few cleanings) > But that is a whole other story... > > Any advice is greatly appreciated! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47013	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: 356 restoration

Tim, I believe that pony truck has a shorter than normal wheel base, compared to the other Atlantics and Pacifics or Hudsons for that matter...and that short wheelbase is important inside that streamline pilot. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47014	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic Control

In a message dated 1/30/2008 8:05:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, ee_train@... writes: get my dC units out of the box, I will check into it and may be able to devise a technique to do the magnet tricks Find an antique "engine guy", they re-magnetize magnetos all the time. Jim Lyle **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47015	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer Basher photos posted

How about a "link". Jim Lyle **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47016	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restoration - Post Repair

Thanks Bull and Gale The short lead truck is on the way (fits 350, 354, 356) I had wondered what to use for forms for the JB Weld. The plastic straws are perfect! How have the tapped holes been holding up for you?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47017	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restoration

Hi Tim, I have used greased lightning to safely remove chrome plating from model car parts with no harm to the plastic. You can find it in most auto parts stores or big discounters. For refinishing you might want to try Alclad chrome. Sprayed over a gloss black undercoat it really comes out like a chrome finish...I use it to refinish poorly plated model car parts all the time. Bob Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: It took a while but I came across a 356 that was affordable. But it is scratched, cracked and did not run. The pony truck is missing but is already on order. The good news: after disassembly, cleaning, surfacing the commutator, new brushes and springs, the chassis runs well and out- smokes anything else I have without having to touch the smoke unit. I replaced the reverse unit fingers just because it was open. The originals (and I believe they are) were not worn at all. The valve gear is all there and the tender has some rust but is not dented. The bad news: The chrome is at least 50% gone and the plastic shell has several nicks, gouges and cracks. It looks to have been tossed around, literally, and it is butt ugly. I have done micro body work before on a similarly abused set of 650 cars, one of which is now standing tall. The mounting posts for the pony truck are both broken off. The questions: What is the best way to remove the remaining chrome? How far up (measured from the top inside of the shell) do I need to build up the mounting posts for the front truck? I intend to build these up with good old JB Weld with embedded threaded inserts. The threaded inserts will also be used for the main mounting posts as they are also sloppy and cracking. This will never be a collector's item but has a lot of potential to look great on an operator's layout. (if I ever get one built instead of running on that same little loop of track which has been in the rec. room since Christmas 2006.. aside from a few cleanings) But that is a whole other story... Any advice is greatly appreciated! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47018	From: roy inman	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy

Check the Lionel web site at 12:01 AM, CST.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47019	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: ATTN SnS: :Directronic Control -remagnetizing magnets

I am quite sure that Steve at SnS told me that they can remagnetize these magnets. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > Dale- > > Works both ways. I have a 334(DC) that appears to have > been returned to the factory and made into an AC 334. > The "DC" under the cab has been painted out with > perfect match paint and the loco is equipped with an > AC motor and reverse mechanism in the tender. It > should be possible to remagnetize the field magnets. > The Dutch Hornby group I am a part of has been talking > about remagnetizing Hornby magnets for a while. When I > get my dC units out of the box, I will check into it > and may be able to devise a technique to do the magnet > tricks. > > Bill Drake > --- Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > > Bill Drake wrote: > > > > "...in the late 40's and early 50's the alnico > > magnets > > were new and expensive and the older magnets tended > > to > > have a lifetime rated in a small number of years - > > posing a repair and customer dissatisfaction issue." > > > > I was able to get some DC versions of a number of > > locomotives, 332, 342, etc. at very good prices and > > would like to restore them with their original > > motors, but I would still like to run them. I > > haven't run them other than to test the motors with > > a somewhat underrated powerpack. I assume that > > because of the age of the magnets, they may be very > > poor performers. This may even be the reason that > > the DC units usually sell for less than the AC > > units. Is new magnet material available for a > > direct swap? I know I can just buy a can motor, but > > I would at least like to try and run with the old > > technology before doing that. > > > > One interesting phenomenon I found is that I even > > found DC versions of locomotives that were never > > made that way, such as a DC Atlantic, and a > > repainted 310 and 282 with DC motors. I figured it > > was most likely the result of someone taking their > > AC motors and switching them with the motors in less > > common DC motored units. > > > > Dale Smith > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Drake > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Directronic Control > > > > > > Stumpy- > > > > Sounds good in theory but not quite. AC trains and > > accessories run fine on DC. Direction control > > stays > > with the reverse unit and requires interrupting > > the > > current but AC and DC trains can be run with the > > same > > power pack on the same track. Gilbert even had > > some > > ads to this effect along with catalog speil > > showing > > the ability to reverse the AC train and DC train > > independently. I think it was a race between the > > cost > > of the DC power pack versus a straight transformer > > and > > the cost of the reverse unit versus the permanent > > magnet material in the DC motor. We tend to think > > now > > about the can motor convenience and availability, > > but > > in the late 40's and early 50's the alnico magnets > > were new and expensive and the older magnets > > tended to > > have a lifetime rated in a small number of years - > > posing a repair and customer dissatisfaction > > issue. AC > > motors did not have this problem. Also without all > > of > > those balky reverse units what would have kept the > > repair stations in business? > > > > Bill Drake > > Tender thumper in Virginia > > --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > > > This is a very good question, as operating on DC > > > is simpler than AC. > > > In fact the modern S gauge trains are actually > > DC > > > motored but convert > > > from AC track power! > > > My only threory is that everyone at that time > > ran > > > toy trains on AC, > > > so Gilbert went back to it rather than have to > > make > > > DC power packs and > > > convert all accessories and everything in the > > > product line to DC > > > power. This would also have made older Flyer > > > obsolete and unable to > > > run with the DC trains. > > > I have converted my old Flyer to all DC power > > with > > > can motors for > > > three years now. I don't have the sticky reverse > > > units to wrestle > > > with, switching cars in the yard is as easy as > > > flicking a switch, and I > > > can easily convert to DCC and those fabulous > > Tsunami > > > sound systems if I > > > want to. > > > I wonder what would have happened if old A.C.G. > > > had gone DC and sold > > > his products as the step between toy and scale > > > trains, as HO was > > > growing rapidly in popularity then? He was > > > perfectly positioned for it. > > > These are questions that can be debated forever, > > > but there can be no > > > definative answer after all this time. > > > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...in a cold > > and > > > windy Appalachia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php? category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47020	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Caboose with cupola and bay window

- GreetingS - Perhaps year and a half ago I asked for info on any known prototype for the AF action caboose which has cupola and bay windows. With grateful thanks to fellow ACSG member Marvin Thiel, I have been introduced to Conrail 23528. This is not a close prototype, but the features are there. Should you be curious, please see http://crcaboose.railfan.net/photos/CR23528.jpg coupled to a trailer train car. You'll notice that the cupola windows are plated over along with most side windows. Some curious appurtenances may also be seen on the car sides. I'd like to hear from anyone who identifies the device on the crossarm of the pole behind the caboose. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47021	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restoration - Post Repair

The tapped holes are working fine. I haven't tried the threaded inserts but they should work also, maybe even better than the tapped threads. BG1 -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Thanks Bull and Gale > > The short lead truck is on the way (fits 350, 354, 356) > > I had wondered what to use for forms for the JB Weld. The plastic > straws are perfect! How have the tapped holes been holding up for > you? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47022	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Directronic control

I've been hearing for years from this group that you can re magnatize the old DC motors but no one ever comes up the the method. I've converted my #332 to a SNS can motor. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47023	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy

Roy don't follow? A new S Gauge Big boy? Jerry M roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Check the Lionel web site at 12:01 AM, CST. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47024	From: roy inman	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy

Yep, you got it. I have not seen the catalog with my own two eyes, but have it on the highest authority...well, two highest authorities actually. I could hardly believe it myself, so I made a phone call, and, sure enough... Roy Inman From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:49:55 -0800 (PST) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Big Boy Roy don't follow? A new S Gauge Big boy? Jerry M roy inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > wrote: Check the Lionel web site at 12:01 AM, CST. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47025	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: S or O guge truck needed

I have a friend in Colorado that has a big layout with a mountain theme (of course) and he needs a logging truck or something he can make into a logging truck. Anybody out there know of anything available anywhere? Steve SnS Trains Boise **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47026	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy

When is it due and how much? roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Yep, you got it. I have not seen the catalog with my own two eyes, but have it on the highest authority...well, two highest authorities actually. I could hardly believe it myself, so I made a phone call, and, sure enough... Roy Inman From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:49:55 -0800 (PST) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Big Boy Roy don't follow? A new S Gauge Big boy? Jerry M roy inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > wrote: Check the Lionel web site at 12:01 AM, CST. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47027	From: roy inman	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy update

-$800 bucks list -With TMCC -There is quite a bit of space between engine and tender. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47028	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy update

Do you have a weblink for this? - Earl Henry, Nashville ============================================== In a message dated 1/31/2008 2:59:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: -$800 bucks list -With TMCC -There is quite a bit of space between engine and tender. Roy Inman **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47029	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: AF per-mag motors

- GreetingS - The commentary on the permanent magnet motors has been on target. Yes, old permanent magnets still have magnetism, but not so much as when new, perhaps 50% to 80% remains. The hardness of the magnet material, strongly related to physical hardness, keeps the magnetic domains aligned so that one side is a north pole and the other a south pole. If the magnetic is not hard, the domains will slowly move under the influence of time, temperature, and mechanical shock. The older materials were not so hard and would demagnetize perhaps considerably if the magnetic system was disturbed. In the good ol' days horseshoe magnets were sold with small iron bars across the pole ends. The bars were called keepers because they reduced the task of keeping up the level of magnetism when the magnet was not in use. The point to be noted is that the pole shoes, extensions of the magnet which wrap around part of the armature, and the armature itself constitute the magnetic structure. If the magnet material is somewhat soft, then it will be weakened if the motor is disassembled. Whoops!! This means that original AF per-mag motors needing remagnetizing must be assembled before being placed in the magnetizer. Remagnetizing takes little time, measured in minutes. If you are bound and determined to disassemble an old per-mag motor, prepare to remagnetize it if you want to return the original performance. One friend needed to prove this to himself. He put considerable wear on the screws holding an HO loco together by disassembling, reassembling, and remagnetizing the motor a number of times. Three CheerS for the magnetic flux retentivity of today's permanent magnets. Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47030	From: Tim Benner	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restoration

Hi Bob, Thanks for those tips! I have seen TV ads for Greased Lightening. If Simple Green Auto doesn't work I'll try a big box store for it. The brake fluid used on the 650 coaches worked well but I didn't know if it would remove the chrome. I know brake fluid is not an accepted way of stripping but it did no damage to the cars. Is Alclad chrome available at the mega stores? I never heard of it before. Thanks again, Tim On 1/31/08, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: > > Hi Tim, > I have used greased lightning to safely remove chrome plating from model > car parts with no harm to the plastic. You can find it in most auto parts > stores or big discounters. For refinishing you might want to try Alclad > chrome. Sprayed over a gloss black undercoat it really comes out like a > chrome finish...I use it to refinish poorly plated model car parts all the > time. > > Bob > > Tim Benner <tim.benner@... <tim.benner%40gmail.com>> wrote: > It took a while but I came across a 356 that was affordable. But it > is scratched, cracked and did not run. The pony truck is missing > but is already on order. > > The good news: after disassembly, cleaning, surfacing the > commutator, new brushes and springs, the chassis runs well and out- > smokes anything else I have without having to touch the smoke unit. > I replaced the reverse unit fingers just because it was open. The > originals (and I believe they are) were not worn at all. The valve > gear is all there and the tender has some rust but is not dented. > > The bad news: The chrome is at least 50% gone and the plastic shell > has several nicks, gouges and cracks. It looks to have been tossed > around, literally, and it is butt ugly. I have done micro body work > before on a similarly abused set of 650 cars, one of which is now > standing tall. The mounting posts for the pony truck are both > broken off. > > The questions: What is the best way to remove the remaining chrome? > How far up (measured from the top inside of the shell) do I need to > build up the mounting posts for the front truck? I intend to build > these up with good old JB Weld with embedded threaded inserts. The > threaded inserts will also be used for the main mounting posts as > they are also sloppy and cracking. > > This will never be a collector's item but has a lot of potential to > look great on an operator's layout. (if I ever get one built > instead of running on that same little loop of track which has been > in the rec. room since Christmas 2006.. aside from a few cleanings) > But that is a whole other story... > > Any advice is greatly appreciated! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47031	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy update

G&m Train & Hobby got their advance catalog today, and the Big Boy is beautiful. Over two feet of S gauge monster! You're going to need WIDE radius curves for this one! Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47032	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: S-Scale log trucks

Thanks to those that responded to my inquiry. Just bought three different ones for my friend in Colorado. Many thanks..... **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47033	From: roy inman	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy update

Earl, After 12:00 AM CST the entire catalog will be online at www.lionel.com. I got my information from other sources... Roy Inman From: tennsgauge@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:08:05 -0500 (EST) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Big Boy update Do you have a weblink for this? - Earl Henry, Nashville ============================================== In a message dated 1/31/2008 2:59:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> writes: -$800 bucks list -With TMCC -There is quite a bit of space between engine and tender. Roy Inman **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47034	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Road bed Update Day 25

No emails from Vinyl Roadbed telling me the product was shipped. Someone mentioned on the S list, that Bonds could be issued to the RR. However, the bond rating for the RR has gone down the tube. They are waiting for the President to declare the RR a national disaster. The town itself is having financial problems too. The Plasticville Diary farm is over flowing with Grade A Milk. There will be drastic price reductions for a gallon of milk since the farm can not ship the excess production to all points north, south, east and west. Oh what to do with all this milk! Ahh, the Frosty Bar will make Sundae's for all TCA members who come by and show them the secret TCA membership card. . /\ /\ = .. = D&K Canal System making more progress than the C&O RR. Mike Marmer Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47035	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: AF Set Make-up

If you're referring to Bob Tufts......"Set Searcher" is not, and never was, his product. The book that started this thread was Bob's book, but not the CD. <<<<Joe and Doug - Is Bob's son doing anything with Set Searcher? Is he still producing CDs or are you both selling out of inventory?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47036	From: joe wieckoski	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: American Flyer Collection For Sale

Contact me off line for a list of inventory Jwieckoski@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47037	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** [S-Trains] Road bed Update Day 25

Michael, I went through the same think last year. They said they get flooded with orders this time of year. I guess the winter months are a good time to hole up in the basement. No grass to mow and all that outdoor stuff to do. Hang in there, it will come. Lou Templeton On the W&LE line in Hickory ,PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: **Possible_Spam** [S-Trains] Road bed Update Day 25 No emails from Vinyl Roadbed telling me the product was shipped. Someone mentioned on the S list, that Bonds could be issued to the RR. However, the bond rating for the RR has gone down the tube. They are waiting for the President to declare the RR a national disaster. The town itself is having financial problems too. The Plasticville Diary farm is over flowing with Grade A Milk. There will be drastic price reductions for a gallon of milk since the farm can not ship the excess production to all points north, south, east and west. Oh what to do with all this milk! Ahh, the Frosty Bar will make Sundae's for all TCA members who come by and show them the secret TCA membership card. . /\ /\ = .. = D&K Canal System making more progress than the C&O RR. Mike Marmer Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1251 - Release Date: 1/30/08 9:29 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47039	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** [S-Trains] Road bed Update Day 25

Hi Lou, Good point about being winter. Thanks for the encouragement. I am sure it will come soon. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Lou &Lois Templeton To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:36 PM Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** [S-Trains] Road bed Update Day 25 Michael, I went through the same think last year. They said they get flooded with orders this time of year. I guess the winter months are a good time to hole up in the basement. No grass to mow and all that outdoor stuff to do. Hang in there, it will come. Lou Templeton On the W&LE line in Hickory ,PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: **Possible_Spam** [S-Trains] Road bed Update Day 25 No emails from Vinyl Roadbed telling me the product was shipped. Someone mentioned on the S list, that Bonds could be issued to the RR. However, the bond rating for the RR has gone down the tube. They are waiting for the President to declare the RR a national disaster. The town itself is having financial problems too. The Plasticville Diary farm is over flowing with Grade A Milk. There will be drastic price reductions for a gallon of milk since the farm can not ship the excess production to all points north, south, east and west. Oh what to do with all this milk! Ahh, the Frosty Bar will make Sundae's for all TCA members who come by and show them the secret TCA membership card. . /\ /\ = .. = D&K Canal System making more progress than the C&O RR. Mike Marmer Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1251 - Release Date: 1/30/08 9:29 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47040	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Conrail Caboose with cupola and bay window

The Conrail caboose you have pictured is very likely a former New Haven caboose, and was converted from a cupola only caboose to a bay window by Penn Central, or possibly Conrail. At the time of its conversion, the cupola windows were blanked out, so it never had both a functioning bay window and cupola at the same time. I don't know why it was converted, but the PC predecessor NYC had a lot of bay window cabooses, and maybe this was an easy way to make more ofthem. It's an interesting caboose, nonetheless. If there was an exact prototype for the AF bay-window/cupola caboose, somebody would have likely found it by now. I wondered about it, too, and as close as I found was a picture in Trains Magazine in the 1960's that showed a wood Missouri Pacific caboose with both a bay window and cupola. Just like the AF caboose, the cupola was toward one end, and the bay window in the center. There were (are?) some short steel cabooses at the St Louis Union Station that had center cupolas with bay windows right below them. I remember they came from Minnesota, from Reserve Mining if I recall correctly. Undoubtedly, there are probably more prototype bay-window/cupola cabooses, too. If you remove the cupola from the AF caboose, like Lionel has done, it makes a pretty nice looking bay window caboose. I haven't seen anyone kitbash one without a bay window, but it would be a neat cupola only caboose, too.With the angled ends on the cupola, it somewhat resembles cabooses owned by CB&Q, Wabash, GN, and Ann Arbor. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09110 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47041	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale log trucks

Steve can you send a link to the log trucks? Thank You, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47042	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay and bidders

Earl's right. Discussing a private individual's financial history on a public forum is a no-no. Plus, this person is not an acceptable topic here since he's been banned. Twice. Phil K ================================================================ [Email requesting personal information deleted.] Sorry but I cannot answer your question about Mr. Walsh. But I have a question somewhat related to your situation. If an eBay seller did not want to accept bids from a buyer for any reason (past experience, political differences, etc), could the seller block the buyer from bidding? - Earl Henry, Nashville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47043	From: barb	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale log trucks

Yes, Steve, please send a link to the log trucks... Thanks... Barb -----Original Message----- >From: anormal1@... >Sent: Jan 31, 2008 11:35 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Scale log trucks > >Steve can you send a link to the log trucks? Thank You, Mike > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47044	From: len_hall	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: It's Official - A Big Boy in S

The new Lionel catalog is online tonight and it shows a beautiful 4-8-8-4 available for $799 with TMCC. Get your checkbooks out and head for your nearest train store. There are loads of accessories too. Len

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47045	From: jhl1963	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: New Flyer up on Lionel Site -

Big Boy/New Haven Electric/Swing Bridge/Station etc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47046	From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay and bidders

Its not a financial history, its a simple question. Why he has been banned/?? I could care less...That's why I put my personal email up..just for this reason...Bill **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47047	From: Phil K	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: NOTE ABOUT: Ebay and bidders

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, SFLYERCRAZY@... wrote: > > Its not a financial history, its a simple question. Why he has been > banned/?? I could care less...That's why I put my personal email up..just for this > reason...Bill =================================================================== Bill -- You are using a public forum to ask about a person's payment record, and using that person's proper name while you do it. That is private information and allowing even a request for feedback could be actionable. In law, defamation (also called slander and libel) is the communication of a statement that makes or implies a false claim that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, or group. So merely asking about it in public may be construed by some as an implication. What conversations you carry on offline is your business. We're just not going to start fooling around with that stuff here. Even though you say you could care less (I think you mean "I could not care less") you ask why he has been banned. He doesn't deserve any more publicity. A simple search of the archived posts will give you informatiom overload on your question. Sincerely, Phil K Moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47048	From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: NOTE ABOUT: Ebay and bidders

Oh I see now.....Thanx for the heads up!!!! NO harm meant to anybody!!! Thanx..Bill =========================================================== Just tryin' to keep the streets clean on this "S Community." Which, by the way, has been hummin' pretty good lately. Now I'm headin' to the Lionel catalog to see the Big Boy and other goodies. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47049	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale log trucks

Please send to me too? On Jan 31, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Anormal1@... wrote: > Steve can you send a link to the log trucks? Thank You, Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47050	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: American Flyer Caboose

----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Vana Subject: [S-Trains] Conrail Caboose with cupola and bay window . . . . . . . . . I haven't seen anyone kitbash one without a bay window, but it would be a neat cupola only caboose, too.With the angled ends on the cupola, it somewhat resembles cabooses owned by CB&Q, Wabash, GN, and Ann Arbor. > > > > > > > > > Acquaintances who are Ann Arbor RR fans are presently working on such project. An Industrial Rail caboose body will be used with a roof from the AF streamlined cupola caboose. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47051	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: S scale log trucks

Hey, Steve, send me the link too! If I'd have known there were some of these availible, I wouldn't have had to kit bash my own out of old Hartoy trucks. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47052	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy

WOW!!!!! Does anyone know what is the required minimum diameter curves this sucker can handle? And wow, the Central station and engine platform for $180 LIST??? Glad I never bought the repro! John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47053	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: AF per-mag motors

Rhett wrote: Yes, old permanent magnets still have magnetism, but not so much as when new, perhaps 50% to 80% remains. Hi Rhett and All, This thread is new territory for me; I'm totally unaware of this. I use an old '48, 342 DC as one of the engines to test my turnouts. It runs very well - I've never taken it apart to clean it and I'm gathering that is a good thing. If I understand this thread right, one day this engine will need remagnetizing. What will the symptoms' be? Will it go through a period of not running well before it quits or will it just not run someday in the future? Very interesting, thanks, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47054	From: Joe Haenn	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Thanks to Nick Ladd

Once again Nick Ladd has come to the aid of S gaugers. When at K-Line as Director of Sales, Nick was the person responsible for the line of very inexpensive S gauge cars using old Marx 3/16 inch bodies and wonderful S gauge sprung trucks. It was Nick who convinced K-Line to create S gauge starter sets; although these were cataloged, they were never produced due to K-Line's demise and Lionel's killing of the project. Most of all, thanks to Nick Ladd for our new Big boy. It was Nick who convinced Lionel that they should produce an S gauge Big boy using K- Lines almost 1/64 castings. Even though he is now at Lionel, Nick continues to look out for S gauge. Way to go, Nick!!! Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47055	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Big Boy

Looks like the pivot points for the drivers are just over the rear wheels on the front drivers and just over the front pair of wheels on the rear drivers. Theboiler front and the cab ought to really swing out, specially if you use AF 40 dia curves. S gauge needs this and I hope Flyonel sells a ton of them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47056	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: New Haven caboose

Morning, That caboose in the photo was an x NH caboose reference the eve overhang capped ends and the slight side ribs.....before rebuilding the Chicago Great Western also had this style caboose... As cars got taller the cupola became worthless, thus the move to baywindows. With the AF delux caboose and getting rid of the baywindow a nice interesting caboose can be made as you say like Wabash, AA CB&Q and GN...but the windows need to be changed on the car side..but still a nice looking attention getter...back in the days of the Hobby Surplus offering at 12 for $10 or so a very nice bay window could be made with splicing bodies one short and one long of the baywindow....Take the cupola and splice it into a Reading caboose and considerable work a nice looking PRR or PC or Conrail 8N can be made.. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47057	From: roy inman	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks to Nick Ladd

Joe, et al; I don't think I have ever seen any definitive answer for "how close" the K-Line Big Boy was/is to 1/64. Being a hi-scaler, it is not of great importance to me that it be on the money, but before I commit to plunking down close to $800 I would sort of like to know that it won't dwarf my other S stuff. Any feedback? Having said that, yes, I too would thank Nick for his continuing support of S!! After all, how long has it been since we had a mass-produced, die-cast articulated engine that runs on S...only in our dreams, right? Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Joe Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:58:05 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Thanks to Nick Ladd Once again Nick Ladd has come to the aid of S gaugers. When at K-Line as Director of Sales, Nick was the person responsible for the line of very inexpensive S gauge cars using old Marx 3/16 inch bodies and wonderful S gauge sprung trucks. It was Nick who convinced K-Line to create S gauge starter sets; although these were cataloged, they were never produced due to K-Line's demise and Lionel's killing of the project. Most of all, thanks to Nick Ladd for our new Big boy. It was Nick who convinced Lionel that they should produce an S gauge Big boy using K- Lines almost 1/64 castings. Even though he is now at Lionel, Nick continues to look out for S gauge. Way to go, Nick!!! Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47058	From: jhl1963	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: New Swing Bridge

Do we think this will be metal or plastic? Pretty neat! Jordan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47059	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Swing Bridge

Hey... do you think the swing bridge could be adapted into a turntable...? Something for Stumpy to tear apart and rebuild... Mark -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "jhl1963" <jhl1963@...> > Do we think this will be metal or plastic? Pretty neat! > Jordan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47060	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale log trucks

http://store.extremecustomtoys.com/speccast.html Gary Chidester <gchidester@...> wrote: Please send to me too? On Jan 31, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Anormal1@... wrote: > Steve can you send a link to the log trucks? Thank You, Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47061	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Flyonel's Big Mistake!

Lionel American Flyer has come out with a number of new and great engines, a 2-8-2 Mikado, 4-6-2 Pacific, a 4-8-4 Northern and now the Big Boy, but what a mistake being made at this time by Lionel, Don Thompson of S Helper Showcaseline saw the mistake and he has his trains on the right track, and that is DCC operation. Once you try DC or DCC Operation as I have you will see and feel the difference Just a thought from this subject Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47062	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks to Nick Ladd

I realize that overall length may not be a good reference, but the BigBoy is 132' 10" giving a scale length of 24.9" in S. According to the Lionel web site their BB is 25" overall. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Joe, et al; > > I don't think I have ever seen any definitive answer for "how close" the > K-Line Big Boy was/is to 1/64. Being a hi-scaler, it is not of great > importance to me that it be on the money, but before I commit to plunking > down close to $800 I would sort of like to know that it won't dwarf my other > S stuff. Any feedback? > > Having said that, yes, I too would thank Nick for his continuing support of > S!! > > After all, how long has it been since we had a mass-produced, die- cast > articulated engine that runs on S...only in our dreams, right? > > Cheers :) > > Roy Inman > > From: Joe Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:58:05 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Thanks to Nick Ladd > > > Once again Nick Ladd has come to the aid of S gaugers. When at K- Line > as Director of Sales, Nick was the person responsible for the line of > very inexpensive S gauge cars using old Marx 3/16 inch bodies and > wonderful S gauge sprung trucks. It was Nick who convinced K-Line to > create S gauge starter sets; although these were cataloged, they were > never produced due to K-Line's demise and Lionel's killing of the > project. > > Most of all, thanks to Nick Ladd for our new Big boy. It was Nick who > convinced Lionel that they should produce an S gauge Big boy using K- > Lines almost 1/64 castings. > > Even though he is now at Lionel, Nick continues to look out for S gauge. > > Way to go, Nick!!! > > Joe > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47063	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Swing Bridge

The bridge is the K-Line one from about 8 years ago. I don't know if the motor is powerful enough for steam, but very likely would work for deisel-John Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47064	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks to Nick Ladd

Roy I. The catalog said it was approx 25" long. I measured a AM Northern which came out to just shy of 23". Considering the huge oil tender on the Northern, it sounds like a good matchup IMO. I had a deadline for the S Curves column and got the announcement of the new Flyonel products in for the April issue. Thanks for your timely heads up yesterday. Roy H. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Joe, et al; > > I don't think I have ever seen any definitive answer for "how close" the > K-Line Big Boy was/is to 1/64. Being a hi-scaler, it is not of great > importance to me that it be on the money, but before I commit to plunking > down close to $800 I would sort of like to know that it won't dwarf my other > S stuff. Any feedback?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47065	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Swing Bridge

I am a little confused. The bridge would not be swung with a train on it. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 2/1/2008 1:58:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, druvnik@... writes: The bridge is the K-Line one from about 8 years ago. I don't know if the motor is powerful enough for steam, but very likely would work for deisel-John Marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47066	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: NOTE ABOUT: Ebay and bidders

Hi Phil -- I really appreciate how you explained your position. GOOD moderating. Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47067	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Swing Bridge

Earl, I think he was refering to using kitbashing it into a turntable. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > I am a little confused. The bridge would not be swung with a train on it. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > In a message dated 2/1/2008 1:58:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, > druvnik@... writes: > > The bridge is the K-Line one from about 8 years ago. I don't know if the > motor is powerful enough for steam, but very likely would work for deisel-John > Marganski >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47068	From: roy inman	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel's Big Mistake!

Somewhere around here I have an article in CTT that details how to use DCC and TMCC simultaneously. I will dig for it and report back. Roy Inman From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:16:32 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel's Big Mistake! Lionel American Flyer has come out with a number of new and great engines, a 2-8-2 Mikado, 4-6-2 Pacific, a 4-8-4 Northern and now the Big Boy, but what a mistake being made at this time by Lionel, Don Thompson of S Helper Showcaseline saw the mistake and he has his trains on the right track, and that is DCC operation. Once you try DC or DCC Operation as I have you will see and feel the difference Just a thought from this subject Jerry Matsick Jacksonville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47069	From: G C	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Haven caboose

Gale, Did the Penn Central not have a caboose that looked similar to the Flyer offset cupola style? It was of course without the bay windows as well. I seem to remember seeing them being painted the characteristic Green. It is sometimes difficult to remember what is real and what was produced by various model train mfgs. Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47070	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel's Big Mistake!

Jerry take it from another DCCer Watch out they will get you for that . Just kidding Dave Pierce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47071	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel's Big Mistake!

Dear Roy, An article like that sure would be a big help. Are you sure you do not mean TMCC and LocoMatic? I know they can work together. Don roy inman wrote: > Somewhere around here I have an article in CTT that details how to use DCC > and TMCC simultaneously. I will dig for it and report back. > > Roy Inman > > From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@... <mailto:jpmatsick%40yahoo.com>> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:16:32 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel's Big Mistake! > > Lionel American Flyer has come out with a number of new and great > engines, a 2-8-2 Mikado, 4-6-2 Pacific, a 4-8-4 Northern and now > the Big Boy, but what a mistake being made at this time by Lionel, Don > Thompson of S Helper Showcaseline saw the mistake and he has his trains > on the right track, and that is DCC operation. Once you try > DC or DCC Operation as I have you will see and feel the difference > Just a thought from this subject > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47072	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Haven caboose

_YES - When Conrail took over NE lines - RDG, CNJ - some of these might have made it into PC paint and then Conrail. Jeff_______________________________ Gale, > > Did the Penn Central not have a caboose that looked similar to the Flyer offset cupola style? It was of course without the bay windows as well. I seem to remember seeing them being painted the characteristic Green. It is sometimes difficult to remember what is real and what was produced by various model train mfgs. > > Gene Cimino >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47073	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Haven caboose

Gene, Seems likle I remember seeing a caboose like that now that you mentioned..Good friend has the NYC freight and passenger book I will look at that again... gale Gale, Did the Penn Central not have a caboose that looked similar to the Flyer offset cupola style? It was of course without the bay windows as well. I seem to remember seeing them being painted the characteristic Green. It is sometimes difficult to remember what is real and what was produced by various model train mfgs. Gene Cimino __________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47074	From: Firewood	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?

Excuse my lurking...... Was the K Line Allegheny 2-6-6-6 also 1:58 scale? If so, what are the S scale rumors? And I might save my pennies for that Big Boy, which would also avoid all that steam from my ears figuring out an S scale conversion,........ (Also a lot of filing.....?) Regards, FW

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47075	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Big Boy

I agree that this Big Boy project is a huge benefit to S gaugers everywhere. The locomotive should negotiate Flyer curves if the designers are smart and the producers in China can convert the plan to a good working model. I run American "S" Gauge track and Tru-Scale track. My outside mainline is 54" diameter at its smallest. I think I should be able to run one of these, but I don't think I can swing the cost... Perhaps they will have a mock up at April York for us to drool over??? Ben in Traintown (Strasburg, PA) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47076	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: SIT Smoke Units?

Did any of the SIT units have a piston powered smoke unit or were they all bellows-type units? I didn't really think about it until I thought to check one of my units. It is piston powered. If someone fabricated this, they did a darn good job. Without dismantling it, it sure looks like a factory job. It is in a 12 wheel 322 SIT tender. Thanks for any saged advice. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47077	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?

Hi Paul, Gilbert sold an upgrade kit for the SIT units to convert them over from a bellows unit to a piston unit. Several of the Flyer parts suppliers sell repro parts to do this. Hope this helps. Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: gettysburg9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] SIT Smoke Units? Did any of the SIT units have a piston powered smoke unit or were they all bellows-type units? I didn't really think about it until I thought to check one of my units. It is piston powered. If someone fabricated this, they did a darn good job. Without dismantling it, it sure looks like a factory job. It is in a 12 wheel 322 SIT tender. Thanks for any saged advice. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47078	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?

Paul- The tender mounted smoke units came with the bellows. According to the service station manual, there were reliability problems with wear on the fabric of the bellows and the piston type units of 1948 were adapted to replace the bellows units when returned to a service station for repair. So your locomotive probably got returned to a factory authorized service station or to the Gilbert factory for a retrofit with a piston type smoke unit. Bill Drake with all of the pretty ice coated trees and bushes in central Virginia --- gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> wrote: > Did any of the SIT units have a piston powered smoke > unit or were they > all bellows-type units? I didn't really think about > it until I thought > to check one of my units. It is piston powered. If > someone fabricated > this, they did a darn good job. Without dismantling > it, it sure looks > like a factory job. It is in a 12 wheel 322 SIT > tender. Thanks for > any saged advice. > > Paul > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47079	From: roy inman	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy

I have not heard when it is to be released, has anyone else? Also, if memory serves (questionable at my stage of, ahem, maturity), the K-line Big Boy in its original O gauge configuration was supposed to negotiate 54" diameter curves. Lionel doesn't say in the catalog on the web site, or maybe in my haste I missed that part... Roy Inman From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:40:25 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Big Boy I agree that this Big Boy project is a huge benefit to S gaugers everywhere. The locomotive should negotiate Flyer curves if the designers are smart and the producers in China can convert the plan to a good working model. I run American "S" Gauge track and Tru-Scale track. My outside mainline is 54" diameter at its smallest. I think I should be able to run one of these, but I don't think I can swing the cost... Perhaps they will have a mock up at April York for us to drool over??? Ben in Traintown (Strasburg, PA) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47080	From: roy inman	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel's Big Mistake!

My mistake. I was working from my alleged memory again. The article is in the January issue of CTT and discusses using TMCC to control MTH' DCS, not DCC. So that the O guys could run their older MTH Proto Sound (1) engines with Lionel and also the newer (2000) Proto Sound 2.0. I am not nearly conversant enough with either DCC, DCS or TMCC to know if this article would be of any help whatsoever. Roy Inman From: Don Thompson <don@...> Organization: S Helper Service Inc. Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:43:31 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel's Big Mistake! Dear Roy, An article like that sure would be a big help. Are you sure you do not mean TMCC and LocoMatic? I know they can work together. Don roy inman wrote: > Somewhere around here I have an article in CTT that details how to use DCC > and TMCC simultaneously. I will dig for it and report back. > > Roy Inman > > From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@... <mailto:jpmatsick%40yahoo.com> <mailto:jpmatsick%40yahoo.com>> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:16:32 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel's Big Mistake! > > Lionel American Flyer has come out with a number of new and great > engines, a 2-8-2 Mikado, 4-6-2 Pacific, a 4-8-4 Northern and now > the Big Boy, but what a mistake being made at this time by Lionel, Don > Thompson of S Helper Showcaseline saw the mistake and he has his trains > on the right track, and that is DCC operation. Once you try > DC or DCC Operation as I have you will see and feel the difference > Just a thought from this subject > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47081	From: roy inman	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?

OK, I have found my K-line catalogs that show both the O scale Big Boy and the 027-ish gauge Challenger. The Big Boy was in the 2002 first edition and I could find no mention of scale. Although it did allude to the fact that it was the first in what they called the "Titan Series"; the Challenger description says it is the "Continuation of the Titan Series". The Challenger from the 2004 first edition catalog is called 1:58 scale, runs on 031 track and is/was 26" long from front of engine to rear of tender. The Big Boy O scale in the K-Line catalog was #X4015; the new S version is #X4014. They may have been listed in other catalogs as well, don't know. An Allegheny would be nice as well... Hey, just an unofficial show of hands here: How many actually plan to add one of the S Big Boy's (1 or more) to his/her collection? Roy Inman From: Firewood <fahrwud@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:44:04 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny? Excuse my lurking...... Was the K Line Allegheny 2-6-6-6 also 1:58 scale? If so, what are the S scale rumors? And I might save my pennies for that Big Boy, which would also avoid all that steam from my ears figuring out an S scale conversion,........ (Also a lot of filing.....?) Regards, FW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47082	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: Do you plan to purchase the new S gauge Big Boy that Lionel is offering in its new catalog? o No o Yes To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=2650535 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47083	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?

No Way! Count me out! Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 2/1/2008 11:49:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: Hey, just an unofficial show of hands here: How many actually plan to add one of the S Big Boy's (1 or more) to his/her collection? **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47084	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Big Boy

Looking forward a long time to this locomotive. I can't believe some people are criticizing it before they've even seen it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47085	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?

Count ne in! Pete henningsen, Milford,Ct. ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman Date: Saturday, February 2, 2008 12:49 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > OK, I have found my K-line catalogs that show both the O scale > Big Boy and > the 027-ish gauge Challenger. > > The Big Boy was in the 2002 first edition and I could find no > mention of > scale. Although it did allude to the fact that it was the first > in what they > called the "Titan Series"; the Challenger description says it is the > "Continuation of the Titan Series". > > The Challenger from the 2004 first edition catalog is called > 1:58 scale, > runs on 031 track and is/was 26" long from front of engine to > rear of > tender. > > The Big Boy O scale in the K-Line catalog was #X4015; the new S > version is > #X4014. > > They may have been listed in other catalogs as well, don't know. > > An Allegheny would be nice as well... > > Hey, just an unofficial show of hands here: How many actually > plan to add > one of the S Big Boy's (1 or more) to his/her collection? > > Roy Inman > > From: Firewood > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:44:04 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny? > > > Excuse my lurking...... > Was the K Line Allegheny 2-6-6-6 also 1:58 scale? If so, what > are the S > scale rumors? > And I might save my pennies for that Big Boy, which would also avoid > all that steam from my ears figuring out an S scale > conversion,........(Also a lot of filing.....?) > Regards, > FW > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47086	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?

I have already ordered two Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/01/2008 11:13:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes: No Way! Count me out! Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 2/1/2008 11:49:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, _rinphoto@..._ (mailto:rinphoto@...) writes: Hey, just an unofficial show of hands here: How many actually plan to add one of the S Big Boy's (1 or more) to his/her collection?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47087	From: Phil K	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: NEW Big Boy poll -- vote today

In honor of Roy's question on Big Boy interest, I have put it in the form of a poll. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=2650535 I have also done some housecleaning in the Polls area. The last poll we had was September, 2006. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47088	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?

Thank you gentlemen for shedding some light on this neophyte's quest to become better informed. To say that this form has been invaluable to make a gross understatement. What's that old saying? "Listen and learn". --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > Paul- > > The tender mounted smoke units came with the bellows. > According to the service station manual, there were > reliability problems with wear on the fabric of the > bellows and the piston type units of 1948 were adapted > to replace the bellows units when returned to a > service station for repair. So your locomotive > probably got returned to a factory authorized service > station or to the Gilbert factory for a retrofit with > a piston type smoke unit. > > Bill Drake > with all of the pretty ice coated trees and bushes in > central Virginia > --- gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> wrote: > > > Did any of the SIT units have a piston powered smoke > > unit or were they > > all bellows-type units? I didn't really think about > > it until I thought > > to check one of my units. It is piston powered. If > > someone fabricated > > this, they did a darn good job. Without dismantling > > it, it sure looks > > like a factory job. It is in a 12 wheel 322 SIT > > tender. Thanks for > > any saged advice. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47089	From: trobicha	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?

Yo: I have a K-line big boy, it is an awesome looking engine for the price. I paid $350.00 for it with TMCC, guess Lionel is looking to market it for $800.00. If they build this in "S" I think you all will be very happy. The engine is 16-3/4" long and the Tender is 9-1/2 inches. The total length is about 27", the height is 3-3/8" off the rails. It has a nice fan driven smoke unit. If you are using TMCC it has a real nice sound to it. My plan is to purchase on and convert it to DCC with sound. Tommy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47090	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: SiT unit

It has been my experience that with original SIT units originally equipped with a piston, the smoke box casting is a new design that lets the piston tube slope ( point ) down at a slight angle towards the piston driving gear center. SIT units converted from bellows to piston, the piston tube sets square ( or level ) with the smoke box casting. A close friend of mine, just turned on his lath, a new a new piston, ( from a special plastic ) for a unit that the piston tube that had denigrated. Jerry HR77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47091	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?

I am getting one!!!!! Chuck On Feb 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, roy inman wrote: > OK, I have found my K-line catalogs that show both the O scale Big > Boy and > the 027-ish gauge Challenger. > > The Big Boy was in the 2002 first edition and I could find no > mention of > scale. Although it did allude to the fact that it was the first in > what they > called the "Titan Series"; the Challenger description says it is the > "Continuation of the Titan Series". > > The Challenger from the 2004 first edition catalog is called 1:58 > scale, > runs on 031 track and is/was 26" long from front of engine to rear of > tender. > > The Big Boy O scale in the K-Line catalog was #X4015; the new S > version is > #X4014. > > They may have been listed in other catalogs as well, don't know. > > An Allegheny would be nice as well... > > Hey, just an unofficial show of hands here: How many actually plan > to add > one of the S Big Boy's (1 or more) to his/her collection? > > Roy Inman > > From: Firewood <fahrwud@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:44:04 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny? > > Excuse my lurking...... > Was the K Line Allegheny 2-6-6-6 also 1:58 scale? If so, what are > the S > scale rumors? > And I might save my pennies for that Big Boy, which would also avoid > all that steam from my ears figuring out an S scale > conversion,........ > (Also a lot of filing.....?) > Regards, > FW > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47092	From: monte_heppe	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: American Flyer Big Boy

As I recall, the K-Line O Gauge Big boy was designed to negotiate 031 curves, that is 31 inch diameter curves. Thus there should be no problem with Flyer curves. Threre have been a number of sucessful conversions of the O gauge version to S gauge and they look and run great. This is a big engine and if you have ever stood next to a real one, you know it will make other equipment look small. Obviously this is not a "scale" locomotive but I feel it is a nice addition to S gauge. Many of us encouraged K-Line to make an S scale version of the Big Boy, but they never quite had the confidence to do it. I for one plan to go by the Lionel exhibit at York and thank them for doing this. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Those of us who are glad to see this happen don't need you bad mouthing Lionel.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47093	From: dale reynolds	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Big Boy

hey roy and all, i will only get the big boy if it is truly s scale..... Dale Reynolds, Pendleton, SC reynoldsdale@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47094	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy Picture

Go to my photos "Jax S Trains" and you will see how the Big Boy sizes up with S Helper, Am Model and Flyonel freight cars. Note all track is S Helper by Showcase line. The Engine looks great with S Gauge cars! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47095	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy Picture

The link to the k-line big boy on Jerry's site below... Chuck http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Jacksonville-S-Trains/Bi_Boy_S_2 On Feb 2, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Jerry Matsick wrote: > Go to my photos "Jax S Trains" and you will see how the Big Boy > sizes up with S Helper, Am Model and Flyonel freight cars. > Note all track is S Helper by Showcase line. The Engine looks > great with S Gauge cars! > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > > __. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47096	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy

I agree! I think it is time for many of us to drop any long time dislike of Lionel we might have and realize that todays Lionel is a different company, one who is trying very hard (and succeeding much of the time) in bring great products to Flyer people. I love the new Mikados, Docksider and Pacifics and can't wait to see the Big Boy trying to make it around my layout. Now I don't suppose the Big Boy will run on all Aboard Panels though... ;-) Chuck On Feb 2, 2008, at 10:14 AM, monte_heppe wrote: > As I recall, the K-Line O Gauge Big boy was designed to negotiate 031 > curves, that is 31 inch diameter curves. Thus there should be no > problem with Flyer curves. Threre have been a number of sucessful > conversions of the O gauge version to S gauge and they look and run > great. This is a big engine and if you have ever stood next to a real > one, you know it will make other equipment look small. Obviously this > is not a "scale" locomotive but I feel it is a nice addition to S > gauge. > > Many of us encouraged K-Line to make an S scale version of the Big > Boy, > but they never quite had the confidence to do it. I for one plan to go > by the Lionel exhibit at York and thank them for doing this. > > If you don't like it, don't buy it. Those of us who are glad to see > this happen don't need you bad mouthing Lionel. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47097	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale

For those of you who have already dismissed the new Lionel AF Big Boy without knowing the facts, this locomotive is indeed 1/64 scale. It was made in something called "selective compression" to be able to be run on O-31 curves and was reviewed on April 27, 2004 by Bob Keller of Classic Toy Trains. As proof (and to prevent copyright vilations), below is a small portion of that review: ############################################################################################################### K-LINE'S O gauge Big Boy locomotive is made for John Q. Trainguy or Susy Q. Tinplater: the operator with a tight-radius layout and an equally tight budget, but who longs to operate trains at the Big Boy level. MTH and Lionel in their RailKing and LionMaster lines have used selective compression to build articulated locomotives that can negotiate O-31 curves. Most of the compression is in length, with a bit in width and height, giving the locomotives a decidedly stubby look. K-Line, however, has done something different. Instead of selective compression, it has created a fully proportioned 1:64 scale locomotive that operates on O gauge track. S gauge that runs on O gauge track? If you are a scale-only operator prone to popping blood vessels, you may want to jump ahead to the next review. But if you happily operate compressed K-Line or Lionel Alco diesels or diminutive postwar Lionel Turbine steamers on your O gauge layout, then by all means, read on McDuff. The Union Pacific Big Boy was the largest and arguably the most powerful locomotive built during America's steam era. Alco constructed 25 Big Boys for the UP in two batches, 20 in 1941 and five more in 1944. ############################################################################################################## So, according to the review, it was designed as S gauge to run on O gauge track. By swapping out the chassis with an S gauge chassis: voila, an S gauge locomotive. For subscribers of Classic Toy Trains, you can read the compolete review at http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=a&id=147. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47098	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: test

_S-Trains : Photos_ (http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/8315?b=2&m=s&o=0)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47099	From: roy inman	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale

Thanks Joe for passing that along. From the original K-Line catalog, it is impossible to determine what scale the Big Boy was/is. The Challenger is described as being 1/58th scale, which I suppose might make sense because the Challenger was about ten feet shorter than the Big Boy, if I am remembering correctly. So all and all, the new Lionel offering sounds like something a hi railer (or a hi scaler such as myself) would just about have to have... I suppose that 2.5 inch (or so it appears) drawbar could perhaps be shortened. Have you heard the minimum radius on which it will run? I saw nothing in the catalog about that. The original K-Line catalog says 031, and if this holds true for the S version, it would not run on traditional Flyer 20" radius curves. But it might run on the K-Line/Lionel/Flyer 54" diameter curves. Roy Inman From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:30:25 -0800 (PST) To: S Trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale For those of you who have already dismissed the new Lionel AF Big Boy without knowing the facts, this locomotive is indeed 1/64 scale. It was made in something called "selective compression" to be able to be run on O-31 curves and was reviewed on April 27, 2004 by Bob Keller of Classic Toy Trains. As proof (and to prevent copyright vilations), below is a small portion of that review: ############################################################################ ################################### K-LINE'S O gauge Big Boy locomotive is made for John Q. Trainguy or Susy Q. Tinplater: the operator with a tight-radius layout and an equally tight budget, but who longs to operate trains at the Big Boy level. MTH and Lionel in their RailKing and LionMaster lines have used selective compression to build articulated locomotives that can negotiate O-31 curves. Most of the compression is in length, with a bit in width and height, giving the locomotives a decidedly stubby look. K-Line, however, has done something different. Instead of selective compression, it has created a fully proportioned 1:64 scale locomotive that operates on O gauge track. S gauge that runs on O gauge track? If you are a scale-only operator prone to popping blood vessels, you may want to jump ahead to the next review. But if you happily operate compressed K-Line or Lionel Alco diesels or diminutive postwar Lionel Turbine steamers on your O gauge layout, then by all means, read on McDuff. The Union Pacific Big Boy was the largest and arguably the most powerful locomotive built during America's steam era. Alco constructed 25 Big Boys for the UP in two batches, 20 in 1941 and five more in 1944. ############################################################################ ################################## So, according to the review, it was designed as S gauge to run on O gauge track. By swapping out the chassis with an S gauge chassis: voila, an S gauge locomotive. For subscribers of Classic Toy Trains, you can read the compolete review at http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=a&id=147. <http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=a&id=147.> Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... <mailto:joestrainrepair%40yahoo.com> Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47100	From: roy inman	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy Picture

Holy cow, it looks pretty darn good!! I assume the wheels on the opposite side of the engine and tender are just hanging over the two rail S Helper track, hidden from camera view? Roy Inman From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:16:34 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyonel Big Boy Picture The link to the k-line big boy on Jerry's site below... Chuck http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Jacksonville-S-Trains/Bi_Boy_S_2 On Feb 2, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Jerry Matsick wrote: > Go to my photos "Jax S Trains" and you will see how the Big Boy > sizes up with S Helper, Am Model and Flyonel freight cars. > Note all track is S Helper by Showcase line. The Engine looks > great with S Gauge cars! > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > > __. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47101	From: Phil K	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale

Joe, I think Bob Keller's review says the locomotive was NOT made incorporating "selective compression". He says "K-Line, however, has done something different. Instead of selective compression, it has created a fully proportioned 1:64 scale locomotive that operates on O gauge track." I remember the K-Line reps at the NASG at Oconomowoc emphasizing this attribute as they had us sign an "intent" sheet to buy one that ran on S gauge. That was 'way back in 2003. Phil K ====================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > > For those of you who have already dismissed the new Lionel AF Big Boy without knowing the facts, this locomotive is indeed 1/64 scale. It was made in something called "selective compression" to be able to be run on O-31 curves and was reviewed on April 27, 2004 by Bob Keller of Classic Toy Trains. As proof (and to prevent copyright vilations), below is a small portion of that review: > > ##################################################################### ########################################## > > K-LINE'S O gauge Big Boy locomotive is made for John Q. Trainguy or Susy Q. Tinplater: the operator with a tight-radius layout and an equally tight budget, but who longs to operate trains at the Big Boy level. > > MTH and Lionel in their RailKing and LionMaster lines have used selective compression to build articulated locomotives that can negotiate O-31 curves. Most of the compression is in length, with a bit in width and height, giving the locomotives a decidedly stubby look. > > K-Line, however, has done something different. Instead of selective compression, it has created a fully proportioned 1:64 scale locomotive that operates on O gauge track. > > S gauge that runs on O gauge track? If you are a scale-only operator prone to popping blood vessels, you may want to jump ahead to the next review. But if you happily operate compressed K-Line or Lionel Alco diesels or diminutive postwar Lionel Turbine steamers on your O gauge layout, then by all means, read on McDuff. > > The Union Pacific Big Boy was the largest and arguably the most powerful locomotive built during America's steam era. Alco constructed 25 Big Boys for the UP in two batches, 20 in 1941 and five more in 1944. > > ##################################################################### ######################################### > > So, according to the review, it was designed as S gauge to run on O gauge track. By swapping out the chassis with an S gauge chassis: voila, an S gauge locomotive. > > For subscribers of Classic Toy Trains, you can read the compolete review at http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=a&id=147. > > Joe > > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers > American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line > joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47102	From: Phil K	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy

I agree 100 percent, Monte. But my feeling is that Lionel simply ignores its detractors. After all, why worry about people who won't buy your products? Phil K ===================================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "monte_heppe" <flheppe@...> wrote: > If you don't like it, don't buy it. Those of us who are glad to see > this happen don't need you bad mouthing Lionel.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47103	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy

Remember, 031 is 31 inch diameter, so SMALLER than standard Flyer, in fact not much bigger than PikeMaster. jfred Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: I agree 100 percent, Monte. But my feeling is that Lionel simply ignores its detractors. After all, why worry about people who won't buy your products? Phil K ===================================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "monte_heppe" <flheppe@...> wrote: > If you don't like it, don't buy it. Those of us who are glad to see > this happen don't need you bad mouthing Lionel. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47104	From: John Degnan	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale

Does K-Line have a web site? John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47105	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale

Maybe I have this wrong, but from reading the excerpt of the article, it seems like the K-Line Big Boy was not made in selective compression as were the other Lionel and MTH articulated locomotives, but rather in full 1/64 scale, which might upset O scalers, but not us. The selectively compressed locomotives apparently will run on 0-31 curves, but will a full 1/64 model? I don't think this article tells us for sure, but I would bet the Lionel version will run on standard flyer curves. From the picture, it looks like there may be two pivot points, at the rear of the front drivers and the front of the rear drivers. The Lionel catalog says "Proportionally scaled down and re-engineered to run on S gauge." If they used existing K Line dies, it would seem only the running gear would need to be scaled down, presumably only width wise. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haenn To: S Trains Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 11:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale For those of you who have already dismissed the new Lionel AF Big Boy without knowing the facts, this locomotive is indeed 1/64 scale. It was made in something called "selective compression" to be able to be run on O-31 curves and was reviewed on April 27, 2004 by Bob Keller of Classic Toy Trains. As proof (and to prevent copyright vilations), below is a small portion of that review: ############################################################################################################### K-LINE'S O gauge Big Boy locomotive is made for John Q. Trainguy or Susy Q. Tinplater: the operator with a tight-radius layout and an equally tight budget, but who longs to operate trains at the Big Boy level. MTH and Lionel in their RailKing and LionMaster lines have used selective compression to build articulated locomotives that can negotiate O-31 curves. Most of the compression is in length, with a bit in width and height, giving the locomotives a decidedly stubby look. K-Line, however, has done something different. Instead of selective compression, it has created a fully proportioned 1:64 scale locomotive that operates on O gauge track. S gauge that runs on O gauge track? If you are a scale-only operator prone to popping blood vessels, you may want to jump ahead to the next review. But if you happily operate compressed K-Line or Lionel Alco diesels or diminutive postwar Lionel Turbine steamers on your O gauge layout, then by all means, read on McDuff. The Union Pacific Big Boy was the largest and arguably the most powerful locomotive built during America's steam era. Alco constructed 25 Big Boys for the UP in two batches, 20 in 1941 and five more in 1944. ############################################################################################################## So, according to the review, it was designed as S gauge to run on O gauge track. By swapping out the chassis with an S gauge chassis: voila, an S gauge locomotive. For subscribers of Classic Toy Trains, you can read the compolete review at http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=a&id=147. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47106	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Roadbed Update

Roadbed Update, Day 26. No sign of any roadbed yet, as milk production at the Plasticville Dairy Farm is over flowing. So, today, we doubled the S scale cat population from 4 to 8. It seems at the Great Scale Train show in Timonium, MD, one vendor had reduced prices on Arista items. We wiped them out of the cats. Hopefully all 8 cats will be drinking up the excess milk instead of doing other cat things, like mating. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47107	From: roy inman	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy-When ship?

Checked the shipping schedule on the Lionel web site and apparently they have not yet announced onshore arrival date. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47108	From: roy inman	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale

No any more, not since Lionel took them over. The Big Boy can be seen in the 2008 Lionel catalog, volume 1 at www.lionel.com. Roy Inman From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:44:06 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale Does K-Line have a web site? John Degnan Scaler164@... <mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47109	From: boblines51	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: YORK IN APRIL

Just wanted to let anyone know who might be looking for me with my plasticville parts I will not be setting up at the York fair grounds.I will be at the firehall,I am going to walk around York this year for the first time since I have been a member. Robert A Persing (BOBBYLINE PARTS)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47110	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy-When ship?

The S scale Big Boy is due in to us September 30, (yeees 2008). Clay Kinsner Lone Star Trains and Collectibles San Antonio, TX www.lonestartrains.com 210-655-4665 -----Original Message----- From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2008 06:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy-When ship? Checked the shipping schedule on the Lionel web site and apparently they have not yet announced onshore arrival date. Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47111	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/3/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47112	From: roy inman	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy-When ship?

Clay, When are the C&A 2-car add-ons due? Roy Inman From: clayk@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:17:47 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy-When ship? The S scale Big Boy is due in to us September 30, (yeees 2008). Clay Kinsner Lone Star Trains and Collectibles San Antonio, TX www.lonestartrains.com 210-655-4665 -----Original Message----- From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> ] Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2008 06:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy-When ship? Checked the shipping schedule on the Lionel web site and apparently they have not yet announced onshore arrival date. Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47113	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Headlight

While waiting for my roadbed and holding off on getting any S Helper steam engines till the roadbed is down, I have been running a inexpensive Hudson on the track. The lightbulb would not come on. I checked the bulbs with other engines, it was fine. I made sure the bulb was screw down all the way it was. So, I got the solder iron out and took off the boiler front and tested the wires leading to the light with a volt meter. Fine. Some thing must be bad about the light socket. But it looks fine over all. So, I took some solder to a bulb, to build up the bottom of the bulb, as I tried several bulbs in the socket, so that the bottom would definitely touch the base of the socket. Success! And I did not screw this up at all. A small victory for me, as I tend to make a mess out of things! LOL I'm learning. I think the cats are ganging up on a cow somewhere. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47114	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy-When ship?

C&A two car add-on is due in October 30. Ditto for the Freedom Train add-on pack. Clay Kinsner -----Original Message----- From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2008 10:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy-When ship? Clay, When are the C&A 2-car add-ons due? Roy Inman From: clayk@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:17:47 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy-When ship? The S scale Big Boy is due in to us September 30, (yeees 2008). Clay Kinsner Lone Star Trains and Collectibles San Antonio, TX www.lonestartrains.com 210-655-4665 -----Original Message----- From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> ] Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2008 06:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy-When ship? Checked the shipping schedule on the Lionel web site and apparently they have not yet announced onshore arrival date. Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47115	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale

Could it be the "Flyer" track they are referring to is the newer 54" diameter K-Line pseudo-Flyer track? My Flyonel Northern enjoys the 54" compared to the old original. Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> Maybe I have this wrong, but from reading the excerpt of the article, it seems like the K-Line Big Boy was not made in selective compression as were the other Lionel and MTH articulated locomotives, but rather in full 1/64 scale, which might upset O scalers, but not us. The selectively compressed locomotives apparently will run on 0-31.................................... ############################################################################################################## [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47116	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Flyonel Big Boy

Hi all, Wow, somehow big L kept this under wraps! I call it "Flyonel Big Boy" because in comparing photos of the K-line production version, and the L catalog pictures, they have upgraded the valve gear detail considerably. Maybe other stuff too, but I don't have other pics to compare. But reading the material and posts I can't help but wonder how much engineering L had to do to produce this in two-rail S? Did K-Line already do the engineering before the buy out? I guess we'll all wonder that for a long time. The other question then is, In five years did production costs go up enough to justify a doubling in base price? Hmm, does it matter, as we want it?? Hmm what I'd really fall all over for is a Cab Forward, but gee, this is cool too. AM Northern, move over, there's a bigger loco out there now!! RATS, gotta re-redisign my future turntable again! Now can L get it right and put AF on the castings somewhere? Hmm, that starts a whole new controversy, the new AF isn't the old AF. That's a given nowadays--Flyonel started out as just a rerun of ACG tooling, down to the open motors. But it has now diverged into tooling that is unique to it, with little if any connection to the ACG tooling. Flyonel has now been in production longer than ACG production. Right now it does not seem to be a step-child anymore either. Too many choices out there!! Anyone know what the "street" prices will be? Now a Cab-Forward. . . . S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47117	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy

Well actually I was kidding about running the Big Boy on the Pikemaster. I intend to run it on my new layout that is S-Trax sectional 20 inch or larger radius. Don't think we will try the Pikemaster. Even a Northern doesn't seem to run on that, though the Mikados run nicely. Chuck On Feb 2, 2008, at 5:28 PM, JFrederick Roberts wrote: > Remember, 031 is 31 inch diameter, so SMALLER than standard Flyer, > in fact not much bigger than PikeMaster. > > jfred > > Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: I agree 100 percent, Monte. But > my feeling is that Lionel simply > ignores its detractors. After all, why worry about people who won't > buy your products? > > Phil K > > ===================================================================== > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47118	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale

Could it be the "Flyer" track they are referring to is the newer 54" diameter K-Line pseudo-Flyer track? My Flyonel Northern enjoys the 54" compared to the old original. Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> Maybe I have this wrong, but from reading the excerpt of the article, it seems like the K-Line Big Boy was not made in selective compression as were the other Lionel and MTH articulated locomotives, but rather in full 1/64 scale, which might upset O scalers, but not us. The selectively compressed locomotives apparently will run on 0-31 curves, but will a full 1/64 model? I don't think this article tells us for sure, but I would bet the Lionel version will run on standard flyer curves. From the picture, it looks like there may be two pivot points, at the rear of the front drivers and the front of the rear drivers. The Lionel catalog says "Proportionally scaled down and re-engineered to run on S gauge." If they used existing K Line dies, it would seem only the running gear would need to be scaled down, presumably only width wise. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haenn To: S Trains Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 11:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale For those of you who have already dismissed the new Lionel AF Big Boy without knowing the facts, this locomotive is indeed 1/64 scale. It was made in something called "selective compression" to be able to be run on O-31 curves and was reviewed on April 27, 2004 by Bob Keller of Classic Toy Trains. As proof (and to prevent copyright vilations), below is a small portion of that review: ############################################################################################################### K-LINE'S O gauge Big Boy locomotive is made for John Q. Trainguy or Susy Q. Tinplater: the operator with a tight-radius layout and an equally tight budget, but who longs to operate trains at the Big Boy level. MTH and Lionel in their RailKing and LionMaster lines have used selective compression to build articulated locomotives that can negotiate O-31 curves. Most of the compression is in length, with a bit in width and height, giving the locomotives a decidedly stubby look. K-Line, however, has done something different. Instead of selective compression, it has created a fully proportioned 1:64 scale locomotive that operates on O gauge track. S gauge that runs on O gauge track? If you are a scale-only operator prone to popping blood vessels, you may want to jump ahead to the next review. But if you happily operate compressed K-Line or Lionel Alco diesels or diminutive postwar Lionel Turbine steamers on your O gauge layout, then by all means, read on McDuff. The Union Pacific Big Boy was the largest and arguably the most powerful locomotive built during America's steam era. Alco constructed 25 Big Boys for the UP in two batches, 20 in 1941 and five more in 1944. ############################################################################################################## So, according to the review, it was designed as S gauge to run on O gauge track. By swapping out the chassis with an S gauge chassis: voila, an S gauge locomotive. For subscribers of Classic Toy Trains, you can read the compolete review at http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=a&id=147. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47119	From: Phil K	Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: There was NO buyout of K-Line by Lionel

Just to keep things straight: Lionel did not "buy-out" K-Line. In late 2005, as settlement of a lengthy Lionel lawsuit over stolen trade secrets (technology), as damages the court awarded Lionel all the assets of K-Line, putting K-Line out of business. K-Line had previously declared bankruptcy. Details: In the case of Lionel vs. K-Line, K-Line was caught red- handed. There was such overwhelming evidence to back up Lionel's charges, K-Line decided to settle out of court. Even though K-Line was severely cash-strapped at the time, it agreed to a $2 million cash settlement plus other considerations to Lionel. But then within days K-Line reversed itself and declared bankruptcy instead, shutting down its operations. Lionel was awarded by the court whatever K-Line assets remained -- no cash, just some technology rights, patents and a small amount of inventory. At the time it filed Chapter 11, K-Line was in debt to suppliers up to its ears. Actual ownership (assets) first went to its largest creditor, Chinese manufacturer Sanda Kan, which in turn sold the assets to Lionel. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47120	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy?

Okay, I've read all the posts. But now I'm confused. Is the new Flyonel Big Boy really the previous K-line engine with S running gear? Down at the hobby shop, we got the catalogs Friday, and already two of our regular Flyonel customers want one! However, one of these people was not happy with the K-line engine and asked me if this is a totally new engine or a "warmed over K-line engine." The length scales out close to the real engine, and the width and height look in proportion as well. One of the shop owners says it looks like they used pictures of the O scale Lionel Big Boy, which was scale, not a compressed model. Maybe I missed it, but does anyone know for sure just what this loco is? K-line? New castings? In scale and proportion? I see from examining the catalog pctures that this engine pivots under the middle of the boiler. LGB has done this for years with their bigger locos to make sure they will run on their set radius curved track. It's a good idea, if not prototyipical, but the overhang is terrific. Wider radius curves would be a good idea with any engine the size of a Big Boy of course. Inquiring customer wants to know... Stumpy Stone...facing the customers Monday...here in Appalachia where they carry guns!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47121	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy

Hello All: I could not get an AM Northern to negotiate my high speed Tru-Scale turnouts. Lynn's uncle handlaid these in the 1950's. I have since handlaid three Bob Peare kits. All of my other locomotives, including an AF Northern and Lionel AF Northern do fine, although the Lionel version just threw a traction tire. I have to dig into that one. I am confident the new S Gauge Big Boy will run fine. My outside mainline curves are 54". I wouldn't run it on the inner or upper line. I think his thing would probably pull 200 of the SMOOTH rolling K-Line freight cars. Except for the ridiculously out of scale bay window cabooses, K-Line had a wonderful (reasonably cheap) alternative to original AF rolling stock or even the over-priced Lionel offerings with the all too soft plastic wheels. I think I have one of about every freight car paint scheme they offered before going under. I was also really disappointed that K-Line didn't get to come out with the catalogued Pacific locomotive from some years ago. I was intrigued at the possibility of getting some operator grade locomotives at $99 with smoke and new running gear allowing me to leave the older stuff on the shelves. I can't wait to see what the street price for the Big Boy will be. I can't swing $800 right now, but perhaps they will be cheaper as the retailers get them at cost and pass some mark downs on. I am definitely interested, but life has budget constraints that even a Big Boy can't overcome. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47122	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy & Challenger

A few years ago I acquired these splendid K-line engines to pull long trains comprised of AF 3/16s O (including S whose trucks I changed) die cast cars. I shortened the drawbars and replaced the tenders' couplers with original spare AF O die cast links. I was and still am under the impression that they're 1:58. I'm not sufficiently motivated to examine the boxes that are in my attic: I think that 1:58 is in their artwork. But judging from photographs of the originals, their much larger dimensions dwarfed ordinary cars. So any slightly excess dimensions do not strain credibility. They comprise a majestic sight with 3/16s cars. The inner most of my four ovals is, with the exception of a few sections of track all original Gilbert AF O gauge. I think that these behemoths have an unacceptable appearance on such curves (the same as AF S) and therefore limit the use of the two great engines to the outer three, which are O-72 & O-54 Since I run O gauge, I've also seized the opportunity to create selectively compressed freight trains with these engines by converting some Lionel stock (e.g. the die cast pipe car) by swapping the original trucks with AF Os & placing it directly behind the tender. Their two door tinplate automobile car also serves nicely for this purpose. So, IF the new S versions are made from the same key components (it'd have been a sensible business decision for Lionel to have done so) and your S cars seem a bit too small, then convert a few of Lionel's smaller cars (I've always loved the post war Baby Ruth) by installing S trucks on them. Kudos to your S gaugers who can finally exalt in running these without having to get involved in extensively modifying them. My outside loop has the splendid Lionel aborted-in-1950 lift bridge. From the moment one of those K-Line beauties crossed on to it, I wondered if they'd ever grace your layouts with S gauge versions. If they haven't yet done so, then that's a cause well worth your advocacy.. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47123	From: G C	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy

Ben do you know what number turnout your Hi-Speed turnouts are? You didn't mention that. Perhaps they are too small in number for the Northern. Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47124	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Selective Comprehension Screw-up; Valve Gear

Thanks to Phil K. for spotting my error on the "selective comprehession" issue. The original "O gauge" loco by K-Line was indeed true 1/64 scale (which is what I meant to say) and was not a selective compression loco like had been previously done by Lionel and MTH. We can also thank Nick Ladd for the upgraded valve gear. He wanted this on the original O gauge version, but finally got it on the S gage model. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47125	From: Phil K	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Size of Big Boy

I don't know how anyone could complain about the possibility of a slightly out-of-scale S gauge Big Boy from Lionel. I'm sure mine will look just fine on the yard tracks, sitting between my Casey Jones and Franklin locos. LOL Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47126	From: Andrew	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Info needed on restoring trains

I'm looking for information about how my trains are wired. Are there any good wiring diagrams out there? Also I think I might have one Odd-Ball train set mixed in with the other two. When researching it I saw reference to it using DC and AC. I have three train sets with three Engines: 1> a steam loco numbered #320. (this is the odd ball with hooks instead of couplers) 2> Silver and red American Flyer lines #473 /w dummy 3> black and orange American Flyer lines #375 and dummy 374 the #473 has 4 loose wires that don't appear to go any wear. Any info would be great, or books that might help me out. I don't want to send the trains out to get them repaired since I am a Electronic Technician and can do the work my self, I really just need a schematic. Thanks Andy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47127	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Size of Big Boy

You are on the money. You might want to put an F 9 close to it. I can't wait to get one. Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: I don't know how anyone could complain about the possibility of a slightly out-of-scale S gauge Big Boy from Lionel. I'm sure mine will look just fine on the yard tracks, sitting between my Casey Jones and Franklin locos. LOL Phil K --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47128	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy

For some time, a considerable portion of the S gauge Flyer community has been pounding first on K-Line, and then Lionel, to do a K-Line "Little Boy" in S. I am glad to see that it will be done with TMCC/RS5 and I will probably order one. If one checks on page 38(?) of the new catalog, however, a new Lionmaster Big Boy (a similar exercise to the S-gauge version in 3-rail O gauge) with every goodie (Legacy, Odyssey II, electrocouplers, RS5, IR tether, etc.) lists for just $60 more MSRP. It is super that Lionel is going to offer a BB for S but I find the low features content a bit disappointing. Nonetheless, with the BB, the new Mikados and Pacifics, and the new heavyweights I believe that the folks at Lionel are making a good faith effort at offering trains that the Flyer folk want. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/3/2008 6:55:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Wow, somehow big L kept this under wraps!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47129	From: Jim Hare	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Info needed on restoring trains

Doug from Port Lines has this you can try. Option #10 Jim http://www.portlines.com/afrepairclinics.htm Andrew wrote: > > > I'm looking for information about how my trains are wired. > Are there any good wiring diagrams out there? > Also I think I might have one Odd-Ball train set mixed in with the > other two. When researching it I saw reference to it using DC and AC. > > I have three train sets with three Engines: > 1> a steam loco numbered #320. (this is the odd ball with hooks > instead of couplers) > 2> Silver and red American Flyer lines #473 /w dummy > 3> black and orange American Flyer lines #375 and dummy 374 > > the #473 has 4 loose wires that don't appear to go any wear. > Any info would be great, or books that might help me out. > > I don't want to send the trains out to get them repaired since I am a > Electronic Technician and can do the work my self, I really just need > a schematic. > > Thanks > Andy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47130	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Info needed on restoring trains

Hey Andrew, Check out Carl Tuveson's Website www.tuveson.com I know he will be able to help you. Thanks, Alan Lambert Andrew <A4S8B7@...> wrote: I'm looking for information about how my trains are wired. Are there any good wiring diagrams out there? Also I think I might have one Odd-Ball train set mixed in with the other two. When researching it I saw reference to it using DC and AC. I have three train sets with three Engines: 1> a steam loco numbered #320. (this is the odd ball with hooks instead of couplers) 2> Silver and red American Flyer lines #473 /w dummy 3> black and orange American Flyer lines #375 and dummy 374 the #473 has 4 loose wires that don't appear to go any wear. Any info would be great, or books that might help me out. I don't want to send the trains out to get them repaired since I am a Electronic Technician and can do the work my self, I really just need a schematic. Thanks Andy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47131	From: Phil K	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy

Probably that Lionel will sell 10x-20x the Lionmaster Big Boys as it will the S gauge version is why a difference in cost. Perhaps Lionel figured it would sell more S versions at $799 MSRP than closer to $900. I run traditional AC and would have no use for Legacy or DCC most of the other stuff being mentioned and therefore don't want it all strapped onto the price tag. I just don't get it. After years of our pleading, Lionel finally comes out with a Big Boy in S and some people still aren't happy. Am I the only one who remembers the "Dark Years" when NOBODY was making S? Well, from this S gauger: "THANKS, LIONEL! I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING!" Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47132	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy

Well said Phil. I, for one, am thrilled with all the new stuff Lionel has produced. I am not a rivet counter but a high railer. Who cares if the CNJ Blue Comet enigine doesn't have a Wooten firebox? Or the the Big Boy may be slightly out of scale? We are getting some great new Flyer. Between Lionel, AM & SHS this is a great time to be an S Guager. Bob iPhil K <waldootten@...> wrote: Probably that Lionel will sell 10x-20x the Lionmaster Big Boys as it will the S gauge version is why a difference in cost. Perhaps Lionel figured it would sell more S versions at $799 MSRP than closer to $900. I run traditional AC and would have no use for Legacy or DCC most of the other stuff being mentioned and therefore don't want it all strapped onto the price tag. I just don't get it. After years of our pleading, Lionel finally comes out with a Big Boy in S and some people still aren't happy. Am I the only one who remembers the "Dark Years" when NOBODY was making S? Well, from this S gauger: "THANKS, LIONEL! I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING!" Phil K --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47133	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Size of Big Boy vs AF curves

I can readily understand why UP fans would want the Big Boy. And collectors too. And others who are just fascinated by having a model of the largest steam locomotive in the world. But this loco will look funny on most American Flyer layouts. One needs to have really wide curves for it to look right. To get an idea of what I am talking about and how wide the curves need to be, try to get a photo of someone's brass N&W A steam locomotive, like #1218 that was used in excursion service in the 1980s. Maybe someone who owns one of these would be so kind as to post a pic on a wide curve on their layout and another one along some AF curves. I have been concerned over this same issue with E8 diesels, which is miniscule compared to the Big Boy. I love the E8s and it was tops on my wish list for years and years. Now that I have some, I notice how disproportionate the long diesels looks on sharp curves and compared to the short passenger cars, even the AM Budds which are longer than the AF cars. Don't get me wrong, I am not getting rid of my E8s, but the F3s, FAs, F7s, and FP7s all make a typical AF train look more normal. So I plan to use the E8s only with the 80 foot long passenger cars and this by itself dictates wider radius curves. The Big Boy unfortunately does not fit into my model railroad theme, but even if it did, I would have these other concerns about putting one on my layout. I will admit that I do want to see one operate sometime but it will be on someone else's $800 cost. Just my opinion - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN ================================= In a message dated 2/3/2008 11:24:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: I don't know how anyone could complain about the possibility of a slightly out-of-scale S gauge Big Boy from Lionel. I'm sure mine will look just fine on the yard tracks, sitting between my Casey Jones and Franklin locos. LOL Phil K **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47134	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Looking for E6 door with lower headlight opening

I am looking for a nose door with the opening for the lower headlight for an E6 brass diesel. I have been told that the diesels came with these replacement doors so the modeler could choose whether to use a lower headlight. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47135	From: flyer_af	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Flyonel SD-9 Slowing Down

Hi All, I have a month-and-a-half old Flyonel Burlington SD-9 that slows down after running about 5 minutes. It just started doing this a couple weeks ago. If I feel the top of the body shell over the motor, it is warm but not hot. Similarly, if I feel the body shell over the electronic card it feels warm but not hot. Has anybody run into this problem? Is there a fix for it? Thanks, Larry Harmon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47136	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

I'm afraid that my question as to the "parentage" of the new Big Boy for a customer at the hobby shop (who wanted to know if this was a new casting or the K-Line engine over again) started some of this. But not all of it! Phil K makes a valid point that folks shouldn't be too critical. I never thought anyone would ever make this engine in S as we're a "nitch" market in the grand sceme of things. I figure Lionel will have one at York in a few months for all to see. They will probably make a short run of these, probably calculating by counting the pre-orders they get. No matter what they look like, in scale or out, or what they run like on whatever curves, they're going to be hot with both collectors and operators. So if you want one boys and girls, you'd better belly up to the bar and order. We've sold two in one afternoon, actual engine sight unseen, in little old Martins Ferry, Ohio. Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47137	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - My deep felt appreciation for Lionel !

Phil K, It was not Lionel who is responsible for the resurgence in S. Its the folks at AM, SHS, BTS, Southwind, etc. who revived it when Lionel only cared about fleecing the collectors and desperate operators who did not have anywhere else to turn. In fact they are still pretty good at the fleecing. I agree with you that Lionel has turned its approach around 180 degrees and is investing a lot of money in improving its products and its offerings. But what were they doing until just 3 or 4 years ago? They were just offering overpriced products using 1950 quality (usually less than ACG quality) and ignoring NASG and NMRA specs which they continue to do today. Its OK that they do not offer scale but they ignore all standards for highrail. And its hard to talk about commitment when they do not even offer turnouts. I have no reservation about publicly saying that my appreciation of Lionel is very, very limited. Any bad-mouthing that Lionel is getting on this forum is well deserved. Just my opinion. Earl Henry, Nashville ============================ In a message dated 2/3/2008 12:46:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: I just don't get it. After years of our pleading, Lionel finally comes out with a Big Boy in S and some people still aren't happy. Am I the only one who remembers the "Dark Years" when NOBODY was making S? Well, from this S gauger: "THANKS, LIONEL! I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING!" Phil K **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47138	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/3/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47139	From: roy inman	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy

Phil, I guess you and I and some others are "lumpers" rather than "spliters, terms usually reserved for scientists who classify flora and fauna. I tend to see what Lionel does in S as not perfect, but much better than nothing. Others see what Lionel does as a slap in the face to S folks in general and ACG collectors in particular by nit-picking each and every S item that Lionel catalogs. Being a lumper, I can say, to each his/her own. It was MTH , as folks will recall, that actually woke up Lionel to the fact that there really is an S market out there. As soon as MTH started offering ACG clone accessories, sure enough, Lionel comes out with ACG reissues, calling them "The only true American Flyer." They weren't bad mouthing SHS or AM or RR; none of those companies are even blips on the Lionel screen, wonderful though they are from our point of view. So now we have the possibility of a first-ever, mass produced, die-cast articulated steam engine with reasonably good detail and all the contemporary bells and whistles. This comes on the heels of a retooled Northern in two versions and a Pacific, all with pretty good detail and in my experience, excellent running characteristics. With cheer to all :) Roy Inman From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:57:58 -0800 (PST) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyonel Big Boy Well said Phil. I, for one, am thrilled with all the new stuff Lionel has produced. I am not a rivet counter but a high railer. Who cares if the CNJ Blue Comet enigine doesn't have a Wooten firebox? Or the the Big Boy may be slightly out of scale? We are getting some great new Flyer. Between Lionel, AM & SHS this is a great time to be an S Guager. Bob iPhil K <waldootten@... <mailto:waldootten%40aol.com> > wrote: Probably that Lionel will sell 10x-20x the Lionmaster Big Boys as it will the S gauge version is why a difference in cost. Perhaps Lionel figured it would sell more S versions at $799 MSRP than closer to $900. I run traditional AC and would have no use for Legacy or DCC most of the other stuff being mentioned and therefore don't want it all strapped onto the price tag. I just don't get it. After years of our pleading, Lionel finally comes out with a Big Boy in S and some people still aren't happy. Am I the only one who remembers the "Dark Years" when NOBODY was making S? Well, from this S gauger: "THANKS, LIONEL! I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING!" Phil K --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47140	From: roy inman	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy-What next...

Recall that just shortly after Lionel announced its Northern, American Models announced its Northern? Surely, surely we won't see the same happening with the Big Boy....Will we? Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47141	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

I am sure you are aware that sometimes Lionel has not fulfilled all of its pre-orders. - Earl Henry, Nashville ================== In a message dated 2/3/2008 3:21:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: They will probably make a short run of these, probably calculating by counting the pre-orders they get. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47142	From: Phil K	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: No need to bad-mouth Lionel. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

Earl -- How soon we forget. First of all, let's be fair to Lionel. Of course it had its hand in the resurgence of S guage. None of the manufacturers you credit were doing anything of significance in 1979 when Lionel began "reissuing" high rail American Flyer after a 15-year drought. In fact, I was surprised that Lionel even gave it a try. It had built its company on three-rail O and could have easily buried S gauge and made it a three-rail world. The cottage industries that sprang up to feed the S market after the demise of the AC Gilbert company in 1967 could never on their own kept it going. Never. And to think so is silly. I suppose it's easy to criticize Lionel if you have a basement full of stuff made by other manufacturers. But I wouldn't be so sure that those manufacturers would even exist today if it weren't for Lionel resuscitating the market. Another thing you need to consider is that Lionel over this time period has had at least four different owners, each of whom had their own strategy for S. That S has endured all these regime changes is a minor miracle. While I respect what they have accomplished, the folks at SHS and American Models really did not become significant until years after Lionel began re-issuing S. And they and a few other very small manufacturers were building products for different market -- they made things NOT to compete with Lionel but to satisfy an niche market, those who demanded greater detail -- not those of us in high rail. Not so coincidentally, their products also ran on American Flyer track, which -- TA-DA -- broadened their appeal because they could run on high rail layouts! So you might even consider that high rail railers like me who "crossed over" and purchased their products kept THEM alive. I'd be willing to bet purchases by high railers may have given them just enough margin to stay in business. Another point I'd like to make is that Lionel never "fleeced" anyone, as you so freely claim. No one forced any of us to stay in S gauge. Lionel manufactured a product, put a price tag on that product, and those of us who thought it was a fair price bought it. Those who didn't buy. It is a choice. In fact, another thing you might consider is that without those of us who kept buying "reissued" S from Lionel all these years, Lionel would never have continued and expanded the line. We may have never seen the Mikados or this Big Boy. I just don't understand why anyone would waste the time to come on this forum and badmouth Lionel. Like, what good will it do? You think you'll change anyone's mind? We're mostly high-railers over here. You go on to rip Lionel for ignoring NASG & NMRA specs. Jeez, I don't care about that stuff, and I doubt many of us on this side do, either. I don't lay my own track. I use American Models and their turnouts are fine for me. In fact, I think comments about stuff like NASG and NMRA specs belong on the other forum. But I forgot -- they don't really discuss Lionel over there, do they, because Lionel isn't making products for the scale market. Again -- Lionel should not and does not give a rat's patoo about what their diehard, bad-mouthing, non-customers think. And that's my opinion. Phil K ================================================================= --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > Phil K, > > It was not Lionel who is responsible for the resurgence in S. Its the folks > at AM, SHS, BTS, Southwind, etc. who revived it when Lionel only cared about > fleecing the collectors and desperate operators who did not have anywhere > else to turn. In fact they are still pretty good at the fleecing. > > I agree with you that Lionel has turned its approach around 180 degrees and > is investing a lot of money in improving its products and its offerings. But > what were they doing until just 3 or 4 years ago? They were just offering > overpriced products using 1950 quality (usually less than ACG quality) and > ignoring NASG and NMRA specs which they continue to do today. Its OK that they > do not offer scale but they ignore all standards for highrail. And its hard > to talk about commitment when they do not even offer turnouts. > > I have no reservation about publicly saying that my appreciation of Lionel > is very, very limited. Any bad-mouthing that Lionel is getting on this forum > is well deserved. > > Just my opinion. Earl Henry, Nashville > ============================

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47143	From: roy inman	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

Very true. Remember the almost-Hudson from...was it the late 1980's or early 1990's? My best guess is that with all the discussion on this and other lists, there should be enough buyers to make the BB a reality. Let's hope so. In recent catalogs I think there has been maybe only the cattle car accessory that was canceled, but memory is unreliable. But, I blush to confess, I have been wrong before... With cheer :) Roy Inman From: tennsgauge@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:24:45 -0500 (EST) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The new Big Boy I am sure you are aware that sometimes Lionel has not fulfilled all of its pre-orders. - Earl Henry, Nashville ================== In a message dated 2/3/2008 3:21:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, mrstumpy@... <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> writes: They will probably make a short run of these, probably calculating by counting the pre-orders they get. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47144	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

And exactly when was the last time it happened? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > I am sure you are aware that sometimes Lionel has not fulfilled all of its > pre-orders. > - Earl Henry, Nashville >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47145	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: BIG BOY

I too thought the BB was 1/58 scale..... but alteres to scale length..... It looks a little bigger....... BUT..... WHO HAS THE BEST PRICES SO I CAN ORDER ONE TOMMORROW....... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47146	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

I am sure you could give a more accurate answer than I could as to when and how many times. - Earl Henry In a message dated 2/3/2008 5:32:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, chicocannon1@... writes: And exactly when was the last time it happened? **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47147	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: I am sure you are aware that sometimes Lionel has not fulfilled all of its pre-orders. > > > > > > > > > From: chicocannon1 And exactly when was the last time it happened? > > > > > > > > > > Where's my SD 40-2 that Lionel promised ? Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47148	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Big Boy

I would think the turnouts are at least #6. I am not sure. Like I said, the AF Northern (336) takes them fine. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47149	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Will Big Boy redefine track spacing?

So, do you suppose this engine will force a wider track spacing for multiple track curves? - Bruce Willis P.S. I'm still trying to dig myself out of the hole in my budget from the Northern. The Big Boy will be absolutely impossible for me to afford.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47150	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

I don't think since Jerry Calabrese took over as Lionel CEO. Maybe one of the bigger AF/S dealers knows and can let us know. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > I am sure you could give a more accurate answer than I could as to when and > how many times. > > - Earl Henry > > > In a message dated 2/3/2008 5:32:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, > chicocannon1@... writes: > > And exactly when was the last time it happened? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47151	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Will Big Boy redefine track spacing?

Maybe Lionel could provide a full-size template for corner clearances with the instructions. If not, maybe someone like Carl Tuveson will make one. I have a curve that runs mid-way into a tight clearance tunnel I might want to check before I hit it full speed with one of those.LOL --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> wrote: > > So, do you suppose this engine will force a wider track spacing for > multiple track curves? > - Bruce Willis > > P.S. I'm still trying to dig myself out of the hole in my budget from > the Northern. The Big Boy will be absolutely impossible for me to > afford. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47152	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Info needed on restoring trains

Try this web site (Thanks Carl) <http://www.tuveson.com/> http://www.tuveson.com/ and click on Hints <http://www.tuveson.com/hints_andtip.htm> & Tips, Schematic for converting AC loco <http://www.tuveson.com/AC-DC/AD-DC.htm> to DC Can Motor and others. Chuck Smith <http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/> http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:49 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Info needed on restoring trains I'm looking for information about how my trains are wired. Are there any good wiring diagrams out there? Also I think I might have one Odd-Ball train set mixed in with the other two. When researching it I saw reference to it using DC and AC. I have three train sets with three Engines: 1> a steam loco numbered #320. (this is the odd ball with hooks instead of couplers) 2> Silver and red American Flyer lines #473 /w dummy 3> black and orange American Flyer lines #375 and dummy 374 the #473 has 4 loose wires that don't appear to go any wear. Any info would be great, or books that might help me out. I don't want to send the trains out to get them repaired since I am a Electronic Technician and can do the work my self, I really just need a schematic. Thanks Andy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47153	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Info needed on restoring trains

Try this web site (Thanks Carl) <http://www.tuveson.com/> http://www.tuveson.com/ and click on Hints <http://www.tuveson.com/hints_andtip.htm> & Tips, Schematic for <http://www.tuveson.com/AC-DC/AD-DC.htm> converting AC loco to DC Can Motor and others. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hare Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Info needed on restoring trains Doug from Port Lines has this you can try. Option #10 Jim http://www.portline <http://www.portlines.com/afrepairclinics.htm> s.com/afrepairclinics.htm Andrew wrote: > > > I'm looking for information about how my trains are wired. > Are there any good wiring diagrams out there? > Also I think I might have one Odd-Ball train set mixed in with the > other two. When researching it I saw reference to it using DC and AC. > > I have three train sets with three Engines: > 1> a steam loco numbered #320. (this is the odd ball with hooks > instead of couplers) > 2> Silver and red American Flyer lines #473 /w dummy > 3> black and orange American Flyer lines #375 and dummy 374 > > the #473 has 4 loose wires that don't appear to go any wear. > Any info would be great, or books that might help me out. > > I don't want to send the trains out to get them repaired since I am a > Electronic Technician and can do the work my self, I really just need > a schematic. > > Thanks > Andy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47154	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel SD-9 Slowing Down

Heat is caused by resistance Larry. That means one of the motor components is drawing more current than it should and heating up. It is most likely the motor itself. The Lionel can motors are frequently found in such a state. The increased drain on current will adversely affect the reverse unit causing it to be warmer than it should be too. I suggest you get a replacement motor for the one you have. You can get one from Lionel direct or some of the dealers (including myself) have them available. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/03/2008 2:21:15 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, bugsville@... writes: Hi All, I have a month-and-a-I have a month-and-a-<WBR>half old Flyonel Burlington after running about 5 minutes. It just started doing this a couple weeks ago. If I feel the top of the body shell over the motor, it is warm but not hot. Similarly, if I feel the body shell over the electronic card it feels warm but not hot. Has anybody run into this problem? Is there a fix for it? Thanks, Larry Harmon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47155	From: ecphora123	Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Ballston Locomotive Works

Does anyone know if Mel Nielson (Ballston Locomotive Works) is still in buisiness? A few years ago, I bought a Reading Camel Back Atlantic shell from him. I now would like to get his Reading G3 Pacific shell. Does anyone have one of these? If so, could you send me an off list reply. If I can't purchase one, I might try and bash one. I just need to get some idea as to how Mel's was put together. Thanks, Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47156	From: beebear	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Ballston Locomotive Works

Mel Nielsen Box 50 Clifton Park , N.Y. 12065 (518) 584-1090 - FAX (518) 584-7816 ----- Original Message ----- From: ecphora123 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Ballston Locomotive Works Does anyone know if Mel Nielson (Ballston Locomotive Works) is still in buisiness? A few years ago, I bought a Reading Camel Back Atlantic shell from him. I now would like to get his Reading G3 Pacific shell. Does anyone have one of these? If so, could you send me an off list reply. If I can't purchase one, I might try and bash one. I just need to get some idea as to how Mel's was put together. Thanks, Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47157	From: John Metzger	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny?

John Metzger plans to get one. ----- Original Message ---- From: "amerflyerwanted@..." <amerflyerwanted@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2008 12:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny? Count ne in! Pete henningsen, Milford,Ct. ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman Date: Saturday, February 2, 2008 12:49 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny? To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > OK, I have found my K-line catalogs that show both the O scale > Big Boy and > the 027-ish gauge Challenger. > > The Big Boy was in the 2002 first edition and I could find no > mention of > scale. Although it did allude to the fact that it was the first > in what they > called the "Titan Series"; the Challenger description says it is the > "Continuation of the Titan Series". > > The Challenger from the 2004 first edition catalog is called > 1:58 scale, > runs on 031 track and is/was 26" long from front of engine to > rear of > tender. > > The Big Boy O scale in the K-Line catalog was #X4015; the new S > version is > #X4014. > > They may have been listed in other catalogs as well, don't know. > > An Allegheny would be nice as well... > > Hey, just an unofficial show of hands here: How many actually > plan to add > one of the S Big Boy's (1 or more) to his/her collection? > > Roy Inman > > From: Firewood > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:44:04 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Big Boy - Allegheny? > > > Excuse my lurking..... . > Was the K Line Allegheny 2-6-6-6 also 1:58 scale? If so, what > are the S > scale rumors? > And I might save my pennies for that Big Boy, which would also avoid > all that steam from my ears figuring out an S scale > conversion,. .......(Also a lot of filing.....? ) > Regards, > FW > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47158	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Lionel thoughts

Having worked part time in a hobby shop for many years and a personal friend of the owners, who are themselves collectors, I have a different take on Lionel. Of course most of my opinions are based on their track record with O gauge, as we in S are a minor market. As to the question as to Lionel cancelling items which appear in their catalogs; it has happened many times in O gauge. As to MTH forcing Lionel to make a better product; Yes, no question. Had not MTH come along, we would still be buying reruns of Postwar stuff, no sound systems, etc. As to Lionel's pricing being predatory; Yes and no. They were especially high back in the MPC era when collectors had driven the price of many old Postwar Lionel items through the roof. With all the original dies and molds on hand, they priced products on what collectors were paying, not true costs. HOWEVER, the game today has changed! Prices seem much closer to actual tooling costs...because they're making NEW stuff, and upgrading the old stuff. As to Lionel not being really interested in S until folks like AM, SHS, etc. came along; Yes, if Lionel wanted to stay ON TOP of this tiny market, they realized they'd better do what they did in O gauge when confronted with MTH, produce new products. Stumpy Stone...22 years at the hobby shop, and still going.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47159	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale

If the new Flyonel Big Boy is the K-Line re-gaged, it isn't 1/64 but rather 1/58 scale. That info is on the box and the operating instructions. 1/58 was further confirmed when my sample's smoker burned out; I was talking on the phone with a K-Line service rep and remarked how S it looked. He reiterated 1/58 scale and had no comment when I asked about it coming out in S. BTW it runs on 0-54 with a fair amount of swing-out, but since I had only the inner loop of 0 working, I have no idea what spacing is necessary. It is a lovely brute, and I think I may splurge and get one-John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47160	From: roy inman	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

It hasn't been that long, if memory serves, since L cataloged and did not produce an item. Did they or did not show a cattle car operating accessory and then not produce it? And it seems like there was at least one other item as well that didn't make the cut... Roy Inman From: chicocannon1 <chicocannon1@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:12:50 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The new Big Boy I don't think since Jerry Calabrese took over as Lionel CEO. Maybe one of the bigger AF/S dealers knows and can let us know. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , tennsgauge@... wrote: > > I am sure you could give a more accurate answer than I could as to when and > how many times. > > - Earl Henry > > > In a message dated 2/3/2008 5:32:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, > chicocannon1@... writes: > > And exactly when was the last time it happened? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47161	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: What about the future?

Our world is changing, no doubt. What do you think about these questions?: Bachmann has taken over Williams Electric Trains. No doubt this will greatly improve the quality of these trains. They narrowly missed moving into S gauge not long ago. They took 0n30, which was a small group of kit bashers and scratchbuilders, and built that into a rapidly growing market today. Their Spectrum line of trains in N, HO, and G gauges are well repected and have become major players in these other scales. They have the money and connections to make a leap into our market. 0n30 and S are nearly the same proportions, and S gauge is the only place they don't have a presence. Will Bachmann use the Williams brand to venture into S gauge? Or will they start from scratch as they did in 0n30? MTH has tried other scales, obviously they are wanting to do more than just O gauge. Their G scale efforts have been only marginally successful, and their HO efforts have been a looser so far. In both cases it isn't a lack of quality or manufacturing ability that is the problem, these are very competitive markets. Might they try S gauge next? What do YOU t6hink? Stumpy Stone...off to the hobby shop.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47162	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

I don't think this thread is worth pursuing further; it's getting a bit more intense than it deserves! I doubt there's ANY manufacturer who hasn't cancelled production of one or more items at some point, due to poor customer response, and that includes the scale and brass manufacturers. But to answer the question ......as to "Flyonel", I can only recall 4 items that they cataloged and later cancelled........ 1) the Hudson.......priced too high compared to original Gilbert Hudsons readily available, and nothing new in features. 2) the SD-40 .........not sure why this one was cancelled; the customer/dealer response to it was adequate. 3) the 771 Stockyard........price was OK, but who can't find an acceptable original unit !!! 4) the 785 Coal Loader........MTH had already released theirs, reducing demand greatly. Otherwise, I'm sure it would have been produced. I think that's it, to my recollection, so it's not too bad a track record. <<<<< I don't think since Jerry Calabrese took over as Lionel CEO. Maybe one of the bigger AF/S dealers knows and can let us know. > > I am sure you could give a more accurate answer than I could as to when and > how many times. >>>>>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47163	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale

Hey fellow model railroaders - the K Line Big Boy was 1/64th, I had one, CTT said it was. So what is the big deal about the size of the Big Boy engine, either purchase one or just forget about it. Look at some of our "beloved" American Flyer Engines, The Atlantic in proportion to the Northern was too large, the Franklin General was too too large, so no big deal they are toy trains for us to enjoy! Look at the couplers they are "far" out of scale? We can go on and on, we are not a nut and bolt counters by toy train operators. Jerry Matsick john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: If the new Flyonel Big Boy is the K-Line re-gaged, it isn't 1/64 but rather 1/58 scale. That info is on the box and the operating instructions. 1/58 was further confirmed when my sample's smoker burned out; I was talking on the phone with a K-Line service rep and remarked how S it looked. He reiterated 1/58 scale and had no comment when I asked about it coming out in S. BTW it runs on 0-54 with a fair amount of swing-out, but since I had only the inner loop of 0 working, I have no idea what spacing is necessary. It is a lovely brute, and I think I may splurge and get one-John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47164	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy is 1/64 Scale

In a message dated 2/4/2008 10:23:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, jpmatsick@... writes: So what is the big deal about the size of the Big Boy engine, either purchase one or just forget about it. HAVE to agree with Jerry, et al. IF you want it, buy it. Will definitely be memorable if not fabulously valuable the day after you receive it. Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47165	From: Phil K	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Will there be other road names for the Big Boy, or just UP?

Just kidding. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47166	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future?

In a message dated 2/4/2008 10:21:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: What do YOU t6hink? I THINK that if we (as in those of us in the hobby) don't promote, share, recruit, educate, inform, none of this will matter in 20 years anyway. Those who attend York or any other meet must be aware of the white hair (on those who still have hair), we are a rapidly aging hobby group. Young children enjoy trains, but, the enthusiasm must be nurtured to get it to grow. HOW many of us do that??? What I think, Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47167	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

You are right Doug. I should not have sent this email or the one prior to it. On this particular topic I was not thinking of the projects cancelled. They made the right decision in cancelling the ones I knew about. But I was referring to items produced in quantities insufficient to meet the orders that had been placed, resulting in high value for buyers who received theirs but disappointing others who had placed orders and did not receive their items. I think the Boston and Maine GP set was possibly the major one but not the only one. I wonder if they have not produced too much stuff the last couple of years based on the low prices that some items are receiving on eBay. Maybe the UP heavyweights were produced in just the right quantities. Tbey are really well done despite the design mistakes in the dining car. It appears to me that they fulfilled their orders but not nearly enough to meet the demand after people could see them, resulting in higher values for those who did place their orders in advance. You would know much better whether I am correct on this. - Earl Henry In a message dated 2/4/2008 9:22:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, doug@... writes: I don't think this thread is worth pursuing further; it's getting a bit more intense than it deserves! **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47168	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future?

I am doing my part. I have given SHS starter sets to three cousins who have young children. Each Christmas I add to it, making sure that each family has an American Flyer steam loco and some action cars or accessories. Next Christmas there will be two more relatives who will receive starter sets or the equivalent of a starter set. I see young children still fascinated by trains, sort of like the 50s, and much more so than in the 60s, 70s, 80s. Part of it is due to Thomas the Train. And the Polar Express. But unfortunately most of children will never get exposed to S scale, the ideal size for children. And in about 20 years from now I expect the prices on our valuable American Flyer trains will decline considerably. Maybe not the most desirable items, but the common items have already decreased in price. But who knows what the future will bring? - Earl Henry In a message dated 2/4/2008 9:36:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes: What do YOU t6hink? I THINK that if we (as in those of us in the hobby) don't promote, share, recruit, educate, inform, none of this will matter in 20 years anyway. Those who attend York or any other meet must be aware of the white hair (on those who still have hair), we are a rapidly aging hobby group. Young children enjoy trains, but, the enthusiasm must be nurtured to get it to grow. HOW many of us do that??? What I think, Jim Lyle **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47169	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: NYC Niagara Next?

With Lionel having a 4-8-4 mechanism and now, with the Big Boy, a pedestal tender, could an S-Gauge NYC Niagara be far behind? Alan Udy _____________________________________________________________ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m6eOwQ5Xx0ilUR7SbkjUA6VdqMjKAXZKBkI5fkdxPc9wpyb/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47170	From: beebear	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: "Beating a dead horse"

Guys I have to agree with Stumpy and Doug on this one. If Lionel is willing to put forth the time and money to produce a big boy in S gauge and all they hear is a bunch of gripes about how it doesn't look right or it's not the right size etc. etc. then why would they continue producing anything new for us? Granted it is on the expensive side but just look at all the tooling that went in to it along with the sounds. As it has been said in this group, "IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT, DON"T BUY IT!!" Not all of us carry a ruler and micrometer with us when we look for new trains. I have taken Lionel cars that aren't made in S and converted over to S trucks and I am very happy with that. Sure it may be a little bigger but it's the enjoyment I will get seeing it run around my track (once built). And if the big boy is a little bigger so what. It just an impressive piece of workmanship. Man if I could afford it or at least make payments on one I would definitely add it to my rolling stock even if I never run it, it would make a nice show piece. So how about we just drop this "is it 1/64th ot 1/58" argument and change the subject? Anyone getting excited about the speeder? I talked to jeff and the motor in it is tiny. I think he said it is .27" X .75" John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47171	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Flatcar (or not) Identification

Don't know where mine is to check right now, but it might have been the metal girder car. I have one in link and one in knuckle couplers. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of teeb_1 Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flatcar (or not) Identification I have a gray metal flatcar which is marked exactly the same as the frame of the 634 searchlight car (C. & N.W.R.Y. 42597) and is cast with the same part number (PA9952). However this car does not have an insulated truck/metal wheels as on the 634 car, and has six slots (not equally spaced) along the edges of the deck rather than the four that support the searchlight base on the 634. It also has two small pins protruding from the deck centered about a half inch from each end of the car. Lastly, it has black weights on the link couplers rather than the brass weights which are on my 634. I suspect that this car was not originally a flat car but was the frame for some other car. My guess is a 635 crane car but I don't have one and didn't find a picture on line. Does anyone know if this car was ever sold as a flatcar (given the slots and pins, I really doubt it for this particular unit)? Is it likely just the remnant of a 635 or other car? What cars that used this frame? To answer the obvious question - I really don't recall where I got this car but suspect it was in a lot I bought several years ago. Thanks. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47172	From: Phil K	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future?

What we all do as operators/collectors to grow the hobby is great. On the other hand, I'd like to see a bit more effort from those who stand to benefit the most from the hobby continuing to grow. The manufacturers and their biggest dealers. And I mean a little more action than funding things like World's Greatest Hobby shows. My opinion. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47173	From: roy inman	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: "Beating a dead horse"

John, et al; I may be wrong on this, but I think that no one from Lionel even monitors this list. I think the only thing they care about is how many orders there are, not how many gripes there are. As far as payments on the BB beast go, I am starting right now to squirrel away about $100 a month from my paper route, pop bottle sales, etc., to hopefully come up with the cash in September, when the engines are due out. If I were smart enough, I suppose I could invest the money wisely and actually have sufficient funds to buy two come September (LOL!). I too am excited about the possible upcoming release of the speeder. Ah, so many trains, so little cash... Cheers :) Roy Inman From: beebear <beebear@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:00:08 -0500 To: S-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] "Beating a dead horse" Guys I have to agree with Stumpy and Doug on this one. If Lionel is willing to put forth the time and money to produce a big boy in S gauge and all they hear is a bunch of gripes about how it doesn't look right or it's not the right size etc. etc. then why would they continue producing anything new for us? Granted it is on the expensive side but just look at all the tooling that went in to it along with the sounds. As it has been said in this group, "IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT, DON"T BUY IT!!" Not all of us carry a ruler and micrometer with us when we look for new trains. I have taken Lionel cars that aren't made in S and converted over to S trucks and I am very happy with that. Sure it may be a little bigger but it's the enjoyment I will get seeing it run around my track (once built). And if the big boy is a little bigger so what. It just an impressive piece of workmanship. Man if I could afford it or at least make payments on one I would definitely add it to my rolling stock even if I never run it, it would make a nice show piece. So how about we just drop this "is it 1/64th ot 1/58" argument and change the subject? Anyone getting excited about the speeder? I talked to jeff and the motor in it is tiny. I think he said it is .27" X .75" John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47174	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: AF Big Boy

I would very much like to have one of these. It is a little pricey, but anything new at the top of the line is. I hope that means we can expect a Southern Pacific Cab Forward. And what about a Challenger? Did I see a Shark Nose in their catalogue? Whether these products and more new ones actually hit the market depends on whether Lionel expects to make a profit from them. As for the Rivet Counters, how many of you have made or detailed a model and deliberately left off or added something to make operations more reliable? Let's be real here, These products are more for hi-railers than for Rivet Counters. But ir is there if you want to super detail it. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47175	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: "Beating a dead horse"

If any of you still want to buy this engine and you say you can not afford it, well, use your tax relief check for it! LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Beating a dead horse" John, et al; I may be wrong on this, but I think that no one from Lionel even monitors this list. I think the only thing they care about is how many orders there are, not how many gripes there are. As far as payments on the BB beast go, I am starting right now to squirrel away about $100 a month from my paper route, pop bottle sales, etc., to hopefully come up with the cash in September, when the engines are due out. If I were smart enough, I suppose I could invest the money wisely and actually have sufficient funds to buy two come September (LOL!). I too am excited about the possible upcoming release of the speeder. Ah, so many trains, so little cash... Cheers :) Roy Inman From: beebear <beebear@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:00:08 -0500 To: S-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] "Beating a dead horse" Guys I have to agree with Stumpy and Doug on this one. If Lionel is willing to put forth the time and money to produce a big boy in S gauge and all they hear is a bunch of gripes about how it doesn't look right or it's not the right size etc. etc. then why would they continue producing anything new for us? Granted it is on the expensive side but just look at all the tooling that went in to it along with the sounds. As it has been said in this group, "IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT, DON"T BUY IT!!" Not all of us carry a ruler and micrometer with us when we look for new trains. I have taken Lionel cars that aren't made in S and converted over to S trucks and I am very happy with that. Sure it may be a little bigger but it's the enjoyment I will get seeing it run around my track (once built). And if the big boy is a little bigger so what. It just an impressive piece of workmanship. Man if I could afford it or at least make payments on one I would definitely add it to my rolling stock even if I never run it, it would make a nice show piece. So how about we just drop this "is it 1/64th ot 1/58" argument and change the subject? Anyone getting excited about the speeder? I talked to jeff and the motor in it is tiny. I think he said it is .27" X .75" John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47176	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: AF Big Boy

OK, How about a 343 or a 21004/5 ? Mike in Ore

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47177	From: Firewood	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future?

Interesting thoughts, Stumpy: Once the baby-boom nostalgia generation is done, will the resurgence in hi-rail 3-rail, for example, be over, or will their (our?) video- game kids carry it on somehow? I had been away from the hobby for a few years, turned off by the spiralling prices and unattainable standards set by people who were actually professional model railroaders. (Must have been that MR subscription) Strange to say, it was a picture of an AF Hudson in a CTT mag that got me interested again, and in Flyer. Tinplate, but not; coarse scale, but detailed. I wasn't familiar with Flyer at all, yet here I am; entertained and messing around with fixer-uppers. No unattainable goals, satisfying results,no real fragility, no unfinished vistas of unfinished lumber and track. Just a few items that will eventually become a working layout without details slowly crumbling before their time. Looks like my hobby future is bright! FW

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47178	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: bad mouthing Lionel

from Alan Lambert Hey guys, if you look at the back isues of their catalogs on their website you will notice that they have done a great job of bringing back American Flyer. the only problem I have is that NONE of the local Lionel dealers stock any American Flyer by Lionel, they will gladly order it for you. You don't get to see the real thing before you make that order. My local train shows are the same way. Since I got back into s gauge I am glad that Lionel is making the effort to bring backwhat some of us missed out on. I will never bad mouth anyone for the product they produce. I am not a rivit counter, but I like both sides. I can run which everone I want. Thanks, Alan Lambert Fort Worth, Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47179	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

Thank you for the response. I didn't think it happened very often. End of discussion. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > I don't think this thread is worth pursuing further; it's getting a bit > more intense than it deserves! > > I doubt there's ANY manufacturer who hasn't cancelled production of one > or more items at some point, due to poor customer response, and that > includes the scale and brass manufacturers. > > > > But to answer the question ......as to "Flyonel", I can only recall 4 > items that they cataloged and later cancelled........ > > 1) the Hudson.......priced too high compared to original Gilbert Hudsons > readily available, and nothing new in features. > > 2) the SD-40 .........not sure why this one was cancelled; the > customer/dealer response to it was adequate. > > 3) the 771 Stockyard........price was OK, but who can't find an > acceptable original unit !!! > > 4) the 785 Coal Loader........MTH had already released theirs, reducing > demand greatly. Otherwise, I'm sure it would have been produced. > > I think that's it, to my recollection, so it's not too bad a track > record. > > > > <<<<< I don't think since Jerry Calabrese took over as Lionel CEO. Maybe > > one of the bigger AF/S dealers knows and can let us know. > > > > I am sure you could give a more accurate answer than I could as to > when and > > how many times. > > >>>>>>>> > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47180	From: Ed	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: "Beating a dead horse"

I had thought of that but then heard "No" to those on Social Security. Today's newspaper said the same. Now I am too old. LOL Ed -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Beating a dead horse" If any of you still want to buy this engine and you say you can not afford it, well, use your tax relief check for it! LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Beating a dead horse" John, et al; I may be wrong on this, but I think that no one from Lionel even monitors this list. I think the only thing they care about is how many orders there are, not how many gripes there are. As far as payments on the BB beast go, I am starting right now to squirrel away about $100 a month from my paper route, pop bottle sales, etc., to hopefully come up with the cash in September, when the engines are due out. If I were smart enough, I suppose I could invest the money wisely and actually have sufficient funds to buy two come September (LOL!). I too am excited about the possible upcoming release of the speeder. Ah, so many trains, so little cash... Cheers :) Roy Inman From: beebear <beebear@bex. <mailto:beebear%40bex.net> net> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:00:08 -0500 To: S-group <S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com> Subject: [S-Trains] "Beating a dead horse" Guys I have to agree with Stumpy and Doug on this one. If Lionel is willing to put forth the time and money to produce a big boy in S gauge and all they hear is a bunch of gripes about how it doesn't look right or it's not the right size etc. etc. then why would they continue producing anything new for us? Granted it is on the expensive side but just look at all the tooling that went in to it along with the sounds. As it has been said in this group, "IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT, DON"T BUY IT!!" Not all of us carry a ruler and micrometer with us when we look for new trains. I have taken Lionel cars that aren't made in S and converted over to S trucks and I am very happy with that. Sure it may be a little bigger but it's the enjoyment I will get seeing it run around my track (once built). And if the big boy is a little bigger so what. It just an impressive piece of workmanship. Man if I could afford it or at least make payments on one I would definitely add it to my rolling stock even if I never run it, it would make a nice show piece. So how about we just drop this "is it 1/64th ot 1/58" argument and change the subject? Anyone getting excited about the speeder? I talked to jeff and the motor in it is tiny. I think he said it is .27" X .75" John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47181	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

Well, you're right about that, Earl. They have under-produced items several times.....especially former management. However, I don't believe that was intentional. Generally speaking, they currently have to make an "educated guess" at how many of an item to produce, because they have to schedule the appropriate amount of production-time with the factory. If orders then come in higher than expected, they have two choices.....(a) go ahead with production as scheduled, but be unable to meet demand; or (b) cancel the scheduled production run, and re-schedule it for a later date with an increased quantity, but resulting in a "late" delivery. The best example of the delayed option was the re-introduction of the Northern. The production time had been scheduled, but when dealer orders came in, my understanding is that orders were eight times what Lionel had anticipated! As a result, the original run was cancelled, and a much larger run was re-scheduled, but for many months later. That's why they were not delivered "on time"......but they were delivered in adequate quantities. It's a slightly different situation now. The catalog was just released; dealer orders are due next month. MOST of the items are not scheduled for production and delivery until late-summer and fall, so the size of the production runs may be able to be determined in March (I am speculating here....I don't know this for certain). I suspect that Don T. can verify that this is accurate, in terms of procedures too. <<< But I was referring to items produced in quantities insufficient to meet the orders that had been placed, resulting in high value for buyers who received theirs but disappointing others who had placed orders and did not receive their items.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47182	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Lionel Monitoring This Site - Yeah - Right

Back in August we had a pretty long discussion on all the "issues" with Lionel products not meeting expectations. Feel free to search the archives if you've forgotten or are interested in the details. At that time I sent an email to Lionel customer service explaining the discussion we were having and suggesting they could learn a lot by monitoring this group of over 1300 potential customers. They responded by saying they would route it to the "right department" and someone would get back to me. Luckily for me I didn't hold my breath waiting for that response! It must be working it's way through the endless Internet maze. I can't believe they would show zero interest in this group but that's, IMHO, their loss! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47183	From: Andrew	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Info needed on restoring trains

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...> wrote: > > Try this web site (Thanks Carl) > > <http://www.tuveson.com/> http://www.tuveson.com/ and click on Hints > <http://www.tuveson.com/hints_andtip.htm> & Tips, Schematic for converting > AC loco <http://www.tuveson.com/AC-DC/AD-DC.htm> to DC Can Motor > > and others. > > > > Chuck Smith > > <http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/> http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ > > cesmith@... > > > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Andrew > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:49 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Info needed on restoring trains > > > > > I'm looking for information about how my trains are wired. > Are there any good wiring diagrams out there? > Also I think I might have one Odd-Ball train set mixed in with the > other two. When researching it I saw reference to it using DC and AC. > > I have three train sets with three Engines: > 1> a steam loco numbered #320. (this is the odd ball with hooks > instead of couplers) > 2> Silver and red American Flyer lines #473 /w dummy > 3> black and orange American Flyer lines #375 and dummy 374 > > the #473 has 4 loose wires that don't appear to go any wear. > Any info would be great, or books that might help me out. > > I don't want to send the trains out to get them repaired since I am a > Electronic Technician and can do the work my self, I really just need > a schematic. > > Thanks > Andy > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Thanks for the info. the diagrams are just what I needed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47184	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Travel Question

Greetings from one about to escape snowy, rainy and foggy West Michigan, heading for Albuquerque New Mexico, from the 7-13. Are there any train shops that might have Flyer I could visit or, other train related attratctions? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47185	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: The "big Boy" issue

All the whiners and gripers and neer good sayers have convinced me to change my order of Two Big Boys. I changed it to Four today. Man, we have waited uncountable years for a treat like this. How can there be so many doubters? Doubt all you want, but why try to convince others to do the same? Steve SnS Trains Boise **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47186	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Production Ordering

I have worked in manufacturing and logistics for all of my working life. Everyone that I have worked for has had a back-up plan for when the orders exceed capicity. Usually that is compulsory overtime. I have worked every Saturday and every other Sunday for 12 months. It looked good on the paycheck, but I was certainly tired. So when a break came, I was glad to see it. In my present job I have had six or severn months of 52 hours/week. I am not certain what the production environment is in China. But isn't some form of overtime available for "plus" business? It is clear that that there are several models out there for scheduling production. There is Build to Inventory and Build to Order. Do any dealers bet the Come and order a few more than they have firm orders for? If this happened, then the Build to Order quantities would be increased. Just a thought and a new thread. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47187	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: "Beating a dead horse"

Ed Are you telling me that those on social insecurity may not get a tax relief/stimulus check? Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47188	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Production Ordering

Dear A.E., Remember, these items are being made half way around the world, in a factory you do not own and are a very small part of a schedule that includes hundreds of items. Lead time for electrical parts needed for TMCC alone could add months to any re-order. For our freight cars made in the same factory, 6 months is the minimum time needed between purchase order and delivery. For motive power it takes longer. Don A. E. Johnson wrote: > I have worked in manufacturing and logistics for all of my working life. > Bigfoot > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47189	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: The "big Boy" issue

Cool! Ya missed by birthday by a couple of weeks, but that's OK!!! No rush sending it out! Rick. ;^) > All the whiners and gripers and neer good sayers have convinced me > to change > my order of Two Big Boys. I changed it to Four today. > > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47190	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Monitoring This Site - Yeah - Right

Probably the amount of business they might get from us, might be really nothing to Lionel in the overall picture of total sales and profit. Who knows. But on the other hand..... I can understand people's frustration with Lionel, as I had problems with things brought in the early 90's, like a passenger set that died one hour after purchased from a shop 3 hours away from me. We know about the engine problems they had, as the shop did take care of the problem. But I think the company has changed in making more AF products and a bit better, as I have been pleased with many accessories I have gotten. They have a nice CN reefer coming out, that I will get. So, those who had problems in the past with Lionel, give them a chance again, as I think they are making a effort to keep product coming and more. Not that I into K Line track, but they brought that back into product. So they do see a demand, otherwise, they would of killed the whole line. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Monitoring This Site - Yeah - Right Back in August we had a pretty long discussion on all the "issues" with Lionel products not meeting expectations. Feel free to search the archives if you've forgotten or are interested in the details. At that time I sent an email to Lionel customer service explaining the discussion we were having and suggesting they could learn a lot by monitoring this group of over 1300 potential customers. They responded by saying they would route it to the "right department" and someone would get back to me. Luckily for me I didn't hold my breath waiting for that response! It must be working it's way through the endless Internet maze. I can't believe they would show zero interest in this group but that's, IMHO, their loss! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47191	From: Phil K	Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Lionel ownership

Mike -- Sometimes I think people forget that comparing the Lionel of previous years (different owners & management) to Lionel today is like comparing today's Harley Davidson Corp. to that of the 1970s. Here's a list (majority ownership): LIONEL OWNERS 1967 - Lionel Corp., the original 1969 - Model Products Corp. [General Mills] 1973 - Fundimension [General Mills] 1984 - Kenner-Parker 1985 - Dick Kughn 1996 - Wellspring Partners, LLC [today] Don't forget Gilbert went thru some ownership changes before being sold at bunkruptcy to Lionel Corp. in 1967, too. Lionel itself decalred bankruptcy a few months later. Phil K ================================================================ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Probably the amount of business they might get from us, might be really nothing to Lionel in the overall picture of total sales and profit. Who knows. > > But on the other hand..... > > I can understand people's frustration with Lionel, as I had problems with things brought in the early 90's, like a passenger set that died one hour after purchased from a shop 3 hours away from me. We know about the engine problems they had, as the shop did take care of the problem. > > But I think the company has changed in making more AF products and a bit better, as I have been pleased with many accessories I have gotten. > > They have a nice CN reefer coming out, that I will get. > > So, those who had problems in the past with Lionel, give them a chance again, as I think they are making a effort to keep product coming and more. Not that I into K Line track, but they brought that back into product. So they do see a demand, otherwise, they would of killed the whole line. > > > Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47192	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: critiques of Lionel

Assuming that you consider after-sales customer service to be an important factor, I suggest that you test this aspect of the company now known as Lionel. Choose some mid to high end products that you own or would like to own that were manufactured with what you consider to be a reasonbable number of years (1? 3? 5? etc). Inquire of them if a key mechanical part or substitute is available. Do the same for a key circuit board. If it is not available, then ask them to provide a schematic. If the schematic is not available, then ask them to explain why. If they state that their vendors don't provide them, then ask why they do not compel them to. Specific tests of the organization's performance should comprise discussion of their reputation. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47193	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big Boy

Hi Earl Henry, I don't think any manufactures care about how prices hold up on second market such as ebay. All they care about is how well they sell in the initial issue. I would be more concerned about dealers that have new stock that is years old, selling at a deep discount and still not moving. One can see it in the big dealers, like Charles Ro, magazine advertising. These are the items you may never see again. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > You are right Doug. I should not have sent this email or the one prior to > it. > > On this particular topic I was not thinking of the projects cancelled. They > made the right decision in cancelling the ones I knew about. But I was > referring to items produced in quantities insufficient to meet the orders that > had been placed, resulting in high value for buyers who received theirs but > disappointing others who had placed orders and did not receive their items. I > think the Boston and Maine GP set was possibly the major one but not the only > one. > > I wonder if they have not produced too much stuff the last couple of years > based on the low prices that some items are receiving on eBay. > > Maybe the UP heavyweights were produced in just the right quantities. Tbey > are really well done despite the design mistakes in the dining car. It > appears to me that they fulfilled their orders but not nearly enough to meet the > demand after people could see them, resulting in higher values for those who > did place their orders in advance. You would know much better whether I am > correct on this. > > - Earl Henry > > > In a message dated 2/4/2008 9:22:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, > doug@... writes: > > I don't think this thread is worth pursuing further; it's getting a bit > more intense than it deserves! > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47194	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Travel Question

Charlie, we lived in Albuquerque for a while. There's Trains West Hobbies at 3351 Candelaria NE. You might check the yellow pages there also 'cuz there may be others. There's also a real train restoration activity (big Santa Fe 2926 loco) at 1833 8th St. NW. I don't know about access conditions/times - you might check it out on the web <http://www.cabq.gov/planning/lucc/rrloco.html>. There's also the real narrow gauge train some distance away up at Chama, but I think it is closed this time of year. If you are going to spend a day up in Santa Fe, you might consider going early enough to have breakfast at Cloud Cliff Bakery, an art space/bakery and breakfast place just a little ways off Cerrillos Road on 2nd Street (1805 2nd St). It would be more or less on your way to the center of town. For breakfast in Albuquerque, don't miss the Frontier Restaurant, right near the University, featuring lots of students, cheap breakfast burritos and big sweet buns (their trademark). For lunch, try Weck's (breakfast as well). If you have not been in this part of the country before, the Mexican food tends to be exceptionally spicy hot, especially the green chili. I love it, but if you are not accustomed to "hot", it can be challenging. Usually a question to the wait staff will cue you into what's hot and what's not. If you are looking for a very nice place for a special occasion, you might consider Prairie Star <http://www.santaana.org/prairie.htm> (the stars in the dark night sky are stunning), outside Bernalillo (burn'-uh-lee'-oh), just north of Albuquerque, or Stephens Restaurant in Albuquerque. Another thought is the Luna Mansion in Los Lunas, <http://thelunamansion.com/> about 30 minutes south of Albuquerque (a Victorian home/mansion and national historic landmark, built during the railroad heydays in trade for railroad right of way). We loved our sojourn in Albuquerque. Hope you enjoy it as well. The tram "flight" to the top of the Sandias is a little spendy, but it's a wonderful view, especially at the high-demand sunset hour. The restaurant at the top has a great view, but is otherwise undistinguished. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47195	From: jhl1963	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?

Does anybody know of any transformer that allows you to limit/govern the voltage for kids? I thought about putting a resistor in line but was advised this could be dangerous. I seem to remember reading about one that does, but I can't remember. Thanks, Jordan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47196	From: jhl1963	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: The "big Boy" issue

I agree - and I see the street price is $630-$675, about $100 bux more than the last mikados. Not too bad. I look forward to ordering mine along with the station and platform and the car unloader.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47197	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Travel Question

Hi Charlie, I'm sure you ready to get out of Michigan for awhile.... Have a safe trip and drop me a line sometime....Don Rodgers in Fl. ----- Original Message ----- From: charlie and edith Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:39 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Travel Question Greetings from one about to escape snowy, rainy and foggy West Michigan, heading for Albuquerque New Mexico, from the 7-13. Are there any train shops that might have Flyer I could visit or, other train related attratctions? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47198	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: The "big Boy" issue

PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!!!! Fer cryin out loud, those who will order, will. Those who won't, won't. Period. -John Marganski --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47199	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Discussing Lionel & Big Boy

Every time something new comes out, especially a locomotive, there is a lot of discussion about it. But if you think the folks on S Trains are wound up, try being in 0n30! When Bachmann introduces a new locomotive the various 0n30 sites light up for months over it! And the same thing happens; the engine is correct, no it's not, what railroad used it, when will it be out, is Bachmann fleecing us on price, what about the such and such engine they didn't make, what will they make next, I want such and such, the management at B'mann suck, no they don't,etc,etc,etc. It seems that the 0n30 folks are just as passionate about their hobby as the S gauge folks, if not more! Or perhaps there are just more of them, who knows? Everyone has an opinion, and e-mail allows it to be posted right away. What would worry me more if I were Lionel would be if nobody said anything about the Big Boy! After all P.T.Barnum once said: "It matters not what they say about me. It matters that they spell my name right." In other words, he didn't care what people said, it mattered that they were talking about him. P.T.Barnum was much maligned in his day, but knew any publicity was good for his business. I'm sure Lionel pays the most attention to money spent with them. Stumpy Stone...in a wet and flooding Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47200	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel ownership

Phil, I still have a friend who will not order any Lionel AFproduct because is mad about the product made in the early years. He said he will not order any product till they do better also. I think the new ownership has done better. How long do "you" (in general) stay mad at Lionel. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:36 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel ownership Mike -- Sometimes I think people forget that comparing the Lionel of previous years (different owners & management) to Lionel today is like comparing today's Harley Davidson Corp. to that of the 1970s. Here's a list (majority ownership): LIONEL OWNERS 1967 - Lionel Corp., the original 1969 - Model Products Corp. [General Mills] 1973 - Fundimension [General Mills] 1984 - Kenner-Parker 1985 - Dick Kughn 1996 - Wellspring Partners, LLC [today] Don't forget Gilbert went thru some ownership changes before being sold at bunkruptcy to Lionel Corp. in 1967, too. Lionel itself decalred bankruptcy a few months later. Phil K ================================================================ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Probably the amount of business they might get from us, might be really nothing to Lionel in the overall picture of total sales and profit. Who knows. > > But on the other hand..... > > I can understand people's frustration with Lionel, as I had problems with things brought in the early 90's, like a passenger set that died one hour after purchased from a shop 3 hours away from me. We know about the engine problems they had, as the shop did take care of the problem. > > But I think the company has changed in making more AF products and a bit better, as I have been pleased with many accessories I have gotten. > > They have a nice CN reefer coming out, that I will get. > > So, those who had problems in the past with Lionel, give them a chance again, as I think they are making a effort to keep product coming and more. Not that I into K Line track, but they brought that back into product. So they do see a demand, otherwise, they would of killed the whole line. > > > Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47201	From: roy inman	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Discussing Lionel & Big Boy

I thought that was Errol Flynn's comment, but memory is unreliable. Roy Inman From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:38:45 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Discussing Lionel & Big Boy After all P.T.Barnum once said: "It matters not what they say about me. It matters that they spell my name right." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47202	From: roy inman	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel ownership

Good question. Some folks spend a lifetime holding a grudge. I recall several comments on various train lists that indicate some people are still fighting World War II and/or the War Between The States. Anger at a toy train company? God only knows how long THAT could last. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:46:09 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel ownership Phil, I still have a friend who will not order any Lionel AFproduct because is mad about the product made in the early years. He said he will not order any product till they do better also. I think the new ownership has done better. How long do "you" (in general) stay mad at Lionel. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:36 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel ownership Mike -- Sometimes I think people forget that comparing the Lionel of previous years (different owners & management) to Lionel today is like comparing today's Harley Davidson Corp. to that of the 1970s. Here's a list (majority ownership): LIONEL OWNERS 1967 - Lionel Corp., the original 1969 - Model Products Corp. [General Mills] 1973 - Fundimension [General Mills] 1984 - Kenner-Parker 1985 - Dick Kughn 1996 - Wellspring Partners, LLC [today] Don't forget Gilbert went thru some ownership changes before being sold at bunkruptcy to Lionel Corp. in 1967, too. Lionel itself decalred bankruptcy a few months later. Phil K ================================================================ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Probably the amount of business they might get from us, might be really nothing to Lionel in the overall picture of total sales and profit. Who knows. > > But on the other hand..... > > I can understand people's frustration with Lionel, as I had problems with things brought in the early 90's, like a passenger set that died one hour after purchased from a shop 3 hours away from me. We know about the engine problems they had, as the shop did take care of the problem. > > But I think the company has changed in making more AF products and a bit better, as I have been pleased with many accessories I have gotten. > > They have a nice CN reefer coming out, that I will get. > > So, those who had problems in the past with Lionel, give them a chance again, as I think they are making a effort to keep product coming and more. Not that I into K Line track, but they brought that back into product. So they do see a demand, otherwise, they would of killed the whole line. > > > Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47203	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future?

Hey Stumpy, Send some of that rain further east. The weather people tell us we are still in a "mild" drought. I used to be a member of the Virginia Train Collectors. A few years ago they hosted Mike from MTH for a talk on trains. There were a few of us S gaugers in the audience and we asked him about the possibility of MTH producing S gauge. He said then, he would do it when the technology was so that he could get his sound system in an S scale shell. Well, I think now that technology has long since been here and still no S gauge from MTH. Draw your own conclusions. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Our world is changing, no doubt. What do you think about these > questions?: > Bachmann has taken over Williams Electric Trains. No doubt this > will greatly improve the quality of these trains. They narrowly > missed moving into S gauge not long ago. They took 0n30, which was > a small group of kit bashers and scratchbuilders, and built that > into a rapidly growing market today. Their Spectrum line of trains > in N, HO, and G gauges are well repected and have become major > players in these other scales. They have the money and connections > to make a leap into our market. 0n30 and S are nearly the same > proportions, and S gauge is the only place they don't have a > presence. Will Bachmann use the Williams brand to venture into S > gauge? Or will they start from scratch as they did in 0n30? > MTH has tried other scales, obviously they are wanting to do more > than just O gauge. Their G scale efforts have been only marginally > successful, and their HO efforts have been a looser so far. In both > cases it isn't a lack of quality or manufacturing ability that is > the problem, these are very competitive markets. Might they try S > gauge next? > What do YOU t6hink? > Stumpy Stone...off to the hobby shop. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47204	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: American Flyer lives

At the train show in Timonium, MD. on Saturday, a 55 year-old man came up to the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club layout and opened the conversation with typical words: �I found my old American Flyer trains in the attic, carefully wrapped by my father�etc.� He said the engine was a 336 and that he tested it out to find it still ran and smoked. �I didn�t know they made American Flyer anymore,� he said. With enthusiasm, he me told how the trains reminded him of his childhood and how he was looking forward to cleaning up his basement and setting up a layout. I directed him to a table of Flyer for sale and off he went, still smiling. Many thanks to all the manufacturers and dealers for renewing a great hobby � S gauge trains on 2-rail track! Dave Highfield No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: 2/2/2008 1:50 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47205	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future MTH and S Gauge

Wayne MTH has released 2 HO SCALE steam engines and both have DCS (DCC) Control and have a super sound system, so if Mike was about to put S Gauge locomotives out into the market he would have done so all ready! Also now that DCC and Sound has taken a strong hold on the LARGE HO Gauge market, I believe he will concentrate on HO Gauge Jerry Matsick Jacksonville rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: Hey Stumpy, Send some of that rain further east. The weather people tell us we are still in a "mild" drought. I used to be a member of the Virginia Train Collectors. A few years ago they hosted Mike from MTH for a talk on trains. There were a few of us S gaugers in the audience and we asked him about the possibility of MTH producing S gauge. He said then, he would do it when the technology was so that he could get his sound system in an S scale shell. Well, I think now that technology has long since been here and still no S gauge from MTH. Draw your own conclusions. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47206	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: The "big Boy" issue

----- Original Message ----- From: john isn't eddie anymore PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > Naw, it's too much fun. There was a cartoon in the New Yorker a few weeks ago on why some men need oversize toys. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47207	From: Phil K	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel ownership

Til they do better? Really, what's he waiting for? It's a shame some people don't understand that only the name is the same. Phil K ================================================================= --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Phil, > > I still have a friend who will not order any Lionel AFproduct because is mad about the product made in the early years. He said he will not order any product till they do better also. > > I think the new ownership has done better. > > How long do "you" (in general) stay mad at Lionel. > > Mike Marmer > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47208	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Production Ordering

Don, I hope and pray that you do not think I was flaming you. As I set back and think of what you must go through to get a product to market, I am glad that you do it instead of me. For one, let me express my appreciation to the likes of SHS and all the others, some that were there only for a few months or years, that have held S-gauge, 1/64 scale and American Flyer together. I continue to maintain that if Lionel, SHS, AM etc. can make a profit introducing and producing new products, then we will see more of them. So, if you love this hobby, then support it. To quote an old Econ professor, "Money votes with its feet". bigfoot. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: bigfoot@... ; S Train e-group Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Production Ordering Dear A.E., Remember, these items are being made half way around the world, in a factory you do not own and are a very small part of a schedule that includes hundreds of items. Lead time for electrical parts needed for TMCC alone could add months to any re-order. For our freight cars made in the same factory, 6 months is the minimum time needed between purchase order and delivery. For motive power it takes longer. Don A. E. Johnson wrote: > I have worked in manufacturing and logistics for all of my working life. > Bigfoot > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47209	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Monitoring This Site - Yeah - Right

I stopped buying all A.F. by Lionel. 5 of the last 7 items were junk or were broke or didn't run. The last item purchased was the track gang, waited almost 2 years ( paid in full ) It was damaged and had been painted over the damage , in a different green, a real botch up job, there response was to send it back for a different one, at least the one I got worked so I just saved my money, kept the first one and said to H**l with Lionel. I buy old A.F. and restore and/or repaint them into good running trains. Jerry TCA HR77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47210	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel ownership

I don't know. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel ownership Til they do better? Really, what's he waiting for? It's a shame some people don't understand that only the name is the same. Phil K ================================================================= --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Phil, > > I still have a friend who will not order any Lionel AFproduct because is mad about the product made in the early years. He said he will not order any product till they do better also. > > I think the new ownership has done better. > > How long do "you" (in general) stay mad at Lionel. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47211	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Production Ordering

Dear A.E., Not at all. I try to learn from each e-mail. I did not get much about this stuff in my Animal Science classes back at OSU. I enjoy reading everyone's input. Best, Don PS Thank you for your support. A. E. Johnson wrote: > Don, > > I hope and pray that you do not think I was flaming you. > bigfoot. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47212	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future MTH and S Gauge

Jerry & Wayne, The main thing that you guys are missing is that the power requirements for the S Gauge size models are similar to the O Gauge models. The power requirements for an HO model are completely different than either the S Gauge or the O Gauge. Until MTH can shrink the components needed for the power requirements for the S & O Gauge size models then they won't be able to fit the sound system into the S Gauge models. MTH just is'nt there yet. Harwood

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47213	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future MTH and S Gauge

Harwood, I believe if the Chinese workers who shrunk the power requirements for Lionel to put TMCC and Railsounds into the Lionel S Gauge Engines, they can likewise do the same thing for MTH if he (Mike) wanted too. Lets face it all the stuff coming out of China is the same product with a different label on them. The same as Lionel O Gauge trains, and Lionel K-Line O Gauge Trains are all the same thing but a different label! Plus I will be happy when we get back to discussing model train facts on operation, landscaping, layout building etc! Please! Jerry Matsick HOwingsiii@... wrote: Jerry & Wayne, The main thing that you guys are missing is that the power requirements for the S Gauge size models are similar to the O Gauge models. The power requirements for an HO model are completely different than either the S Gauge or the O Gauge. Until MTH can shrink the components needed for the power requirements for the S & O Gauge size models then they won't be able to fit the sound system into the S Gauge models. MTH just is'nt there yet. Harwood Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47214	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Fw: order

I just sent a email to Hobby Innovations to see when they think they might ship the order. I wish I knew it would be this long, I would of ordered the product back when I was building the table! My town is slipping out of recession but into a major depression! There a run on the banks, the milk is spoiling, the cats are chasing the cows around, cow on track has no train to stop, the lumber mill has no more wood to cut, as finished product is now starting to rot, the barrel loader has a backlog of barrels of monkeys to load, the whole town is turning into a Potterville!!! All they have left is booze to sell in this town. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Joann Sovia Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:28 PM Subject: Re: order Hi, I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. Thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marner, We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! Sincerely Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm To: <Vinylbed@...> Hi, I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S scale roadbed. I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you received the letter. Thank you, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47215	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Customer Service

I contacted Weaver Models about there spray paint. It seems I am going to take a unfinished boxcar, if I can find one, either through S Helper or American Models, and do some spray painting on it. I need a certain color Red for the roof. I sent Weaver Models a picture of a O Lionel car and asked if they could recommend a red close to the paint on this car. In less then a day, they responded and said they will mail out a color chart. That is good customer service with a quick response time. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47216	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Production Ordering

Don, several years ago I received an invitation from Autodesk to attend a sales conference on AutoCad. For all I knew then and know now, this may have been Mechanical Desktop of some other variant of the AutoCad software. The conference leader pulled a knob from the chair and began detailing it as a solid. When he was through with the solid, he simply pushed one button and there was a three elevation Enfineering Drawing, all neatly and properly layed our. Then he pushed another button and the "G" code necessary to cut the molding faces appeared. I am fully aware that these surfaces require a great deal of finish work and passages for water cooling must be added before the molds are finished. But this sure appeared to be a huge front end time saver. I would imagine that molds for out cars and locos would be much, much more labor intensive. There are lead times for many components. And there is transit times to get the product from producer to user. Without substantial cost inputs there is tille more that can be done other than grin and bear it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: bigfoot@... ; S Train e-group Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Production Ordering Dear A.E., Remember, these items are being made half way around the world, in a factory you do not own and are a very small part of a schedule that includes hundreds of items. Lead time for electrical parts needed for TMCC alone could add months to any re-order. For our freight cars made in the same factory, 6 months is the minimum time needed between purchase order and delivery. For motive power it takes longer. Don A. E. Johnson wrote: > I have worked in manufacturing and logistics for all of my working life. > Bigfoot > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47217	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Travel Question

Greetings! Jim, thanks for all the great information! Have printed a copy of your e-mail and will put it in the suitcase. Our weatherman is telling us that we may have a double digit snowfall tonight. We are hoping to be able to get to the airport and that the planes will be flying. A bit of sunshine would be most welcome. Will send a report on our return. Again, thanks and best wishes. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Armstrong To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Travel Question Charlie, we lived in Albuquerque for a while. There's Trains West Hobbies at 3351 Candelaria NE. You might check the yellow pages there also 'cuz there may be others. There's also a real train restoration activity (big Santa Fe 2926 loco) at 1833 8th St. NW. I don't know about access conditions/times - you might check it out on the web <http://www.cabq.gov/planning/lucc/rrloco.html>. There's also the real narrow gauge train some distance away up at Chama, but I think it is closed this time of year. If you are going to spend a day up in Santa Fe, you might consider going early enough to have breakfast at Cloud Cliff Bakery, an art space/bakery and breakfast place just a little ways off Cerrillos Road on 2nd Street (1805 2nd St). It would be more or less on your way to the center of town. For breakfast in Albuquerque, don't miss the Frontier Restaurant, right near the University, featuring lots of students, cheap breakfast burritos and big sweet buns (their trademark). For lunch, try Weck's (breakfast as well). If you have not been in this part of the country before, the Mexican food tends to be exceptionally spicy hot, especially the green chili. I love it, but if you are not accustomed to "hot", it can be challenging. Usually a question to the wait staff will cue you into what's hot and what's not. If you are looking for a very nice place for a special occasion, you might consider Prairie Star <http://www.santaana.org/prairie.htm> (the stars in the dark night sky are stunning), outside Bernalillo (burn'-uh-lee'-oh), just north of Albuquerque, or Stephens Restaurant in Albuquerque. Another thought is the Luna Mansion in Los Lunas, <http://thelunamansion.com/> about 30 minutes south of Albuquerque (a Victorian home/mansion and national historic landmark, built during the railroad heydays in trade for railroad right of way). We loved our sojourn in Albuquerque. Hope you enjoy it as well. The tram "flight" to the top of the Sandias is a little spendy, but it's a wonderful view, especially at the high-demand sunset hour. The restaurant at the top has a great view, but is otherwise undistinguished. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47218	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Gerry's experience with the recently made AF track gang (by Lionel)

This is the kind of customer dis-service to which I was referring in my post. I anticipated the release of this repro and before it was even announced, I happily paid many times more for an original track gang set that was in rather nice condition except for SIGNIFICANT paint flaking (no rust) on the top and front surfaces of the base. I carefully dismantled it, sanded down the affected areas & resprayed. For this piece I found that a "Lionel green" comprised a perfect color match. I feathered the 90 degree edges & it's gorgeous. I have the pride of accomplishment, which is much more gratifying than merely buying a repro. PLUS, I avoided what I considered to be highly probable issues with whatever Lionel would ship. But that's not a solution for someone who lacks the skill and experience to undertake such work. Their response to Jerry was more helpful than their reply to my requests for schematics. And that's not saying much. I've bought some of the diecast AF cars made by Lionel to convert with original old AF 3/16s O trucks. Each of the cars was flawless. When they make things correctly they do so superbly. But MY experience is that their customer service is often disappointing and that's why I will no longer purchase their products. About a year ago I purchased K-lines' exquisite scale O Hudson. I had infinitely more confidence purchasing a discontinued product made by a defunct company than buying one covered by Lionel's warranty. It functioned perfectly 'out of the box' and continues to do so. About two years ago for the same concerns, I bought an original, slightly dinged up 752 (M10000). I repainted the vestibules & roofs, replaced the e unit with a QSI ACRU, added a sound system and had Dennis Waldron groove NOS wheels for traction tires. I theoretically should have felt comfortable buying Lionel's reproduction & avoiding all of that effort & expense. But I've been burned too many times. Gerry, if you still have that repro track gang set then you should consider 'parting it off' for those who have originals that require the diecast parts. You won't get back your frustration and wasted time, but you might get back your otherwise wasted money. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47219	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Production Ordering

I think you are referring to Rapid Prototyping. I know several people who have been following this for quite some time. Every few years the resolution jumps up and it look more promising. As you point our, for us tooling is just part of the problem of getting new products to market. Just as important are design for easy assembly and the assembly itself. Decoration and packaging are other areas that would have to be addressed. With our limited staff, it is hard for us to move use a different approach. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47220	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Gerry's experience with the recently made AF track gang (by Lion

> Shiffy Just out of curiosity what schematics are you looking for? MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47221	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Production Ordering now SLA

We have been using rapid prototyping on our components for years and consistently get parts in the ./- 5 thou. range for items the size of s-gauge locomotives. We can get better than that with features in closer 3D proximity. Surely this is close enough for model train shells? I can understand that you may not be able to afford the process when you can outsource the entire prototyping phase to someone in China, but I am surprised that you believe it is not accurate enough. MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47222	From: John	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Lionel MP B Unit Horn

Recently I purchased the MP Set from Train World, and have been unsuccessful in getting the horn to work. I am using an 18b transformer, and have tried the wiring several different ways. Any suggestions?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47223	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Visit an S Layout

Roy, I've been selected to attend an NSF workshop this summer at Cape Cod Community College on Teaching Introductory Statisitics June 15 - 20. Anything happening with your group during that time or the weekends on either end of the workshop? Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: JeryJones3@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: JeryJones3@... Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Visit an S Layout Greetings: anyone who will be on Cape Cod this holiday season is welcome to join us at the Nauset Model Railroad Club to enjoy our large S hirail layout. The layout is 34 x 14 and operates American Flyer as well as S Helper and American Models engines and rolling stock. We are open for the Christmas Season on Saturdays from 1 to 4. We are always in the trainroom on Friday nights from 7 to 9. Other layouts include O, HO, and N. We are located in the rear of Hilltop Plaza on Route 6A in Orleans. This is just as one enters Orleans. There is a Bowling Alley accross the street as a landmark. All are welcome!! Roy E. Jones III, President, Nauset Model Railroad Club. "S" stands for Superior [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47224	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: 312 Boiler front question from a 5th wire believer

I got a 312 about a year ago. It ran OK but didn't smoke much. It got a tune-up with old dirt and grease removed, new lube, brushes and springs right away. The reverse unit was in good shape so I left it alone. Thinking that the motor would draw less current I expected more smoke but didn't get it. So I rewicked the smoke unit with just a few less coils in the element to bring it to 30 ohms. It made more smoke after warming up for 10-20 seconds but not nearly as much as expected. Over the summer and fall the trains didn't get much attention but I read and re-read posts here about the 5th wire. Some said it worked, others said not, because a parallel circuit wil pass the same current to all of its components. That made sense to me but I decided to try it anyway last weekend while the Superbowl was on. WOW! Does it ever smoke now! As good or better than its much lighter plastic bodied mates. But why? Maybe because its power now bypasses the reverse unit completely? Either way, I'll be doing this to every non-5th wire steamer I acquire. It's not original, but it is reversable. And everything I buy (with few exceptions)has already been modified by someone else, either purposely or as the result of gravity. Back to the 312. This has the boiler front without spring arms. It just *had* a tab which was part of the casting with a brass rivet through it. The tab has broken off so sometimes the front stays in, sometimes it flops out. Has anyone had any luck remedying this problem? I'll add a boiler front to my next part order but in the meantime there is something satisfying about making it work with what you have... Regards, Tim Benner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47225	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future MTH and S Gauge

Harwood; I rarely say to anyone "I disagree with you", but in this case I must. Modern S power needs align more closely to HO than to O, period. When I convert an S loco to DCC what do I do? Well,,, for starters it gets a decoder most commonly fitted to HO, like a LokSound v3.5. I run my DCC controller (Digitrax) for my trains on the HO setting. To use the O/G setting would be an over voltage. Wheel slip current draw for my conversions is around .75 A, and stall current is generally less than 1.5 A. These values are much closer to HO than to O, which can easily exceed a 3 A stall current. The only thing keeping MTH from producing S is tooling costs, potential sales volume, and desire to do it. The science and "power sizing" is already here. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > Jerry & Wayne, > > The main thing that you guys are missing is that the power > requirements for the S Gauge size models are similar to the O Gauge models. The > power requirements for an HO model are completely different than either the S > Gauge or the O Gauge. Until MTH can shrink the components needed for the power > requirements for the S & O Gauge size models then they won't be able to fit > the sound system into the S Gauge models. MTH just is'nt there yet. > > Harwood >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47226	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: New Poll - Satisfaction With Lionel Steam Locomotives

Based on the last few days the group seems to have a wide range of satisfaction with Lionel products. To coin an old phrase - Some swear by them while others swear at them. To attempt to quantify these feelings I have started a new poll for owners of American Flyer by Lionel steam locomotives. If you own one or more of these locomotives please provide your level of satisfaction for mechanical, fit/finish and electronics in the poll. The poll does not include satisfaction with customer service, warranty, local hobby shops, etc. and let's limit the poll to STEAM locos only please! Thank you in advance for your input. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47227	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Roadbed

The roadbed people must be overwhelmed with orders, they could not reply to my email that I sent to them last night. So much for customer service. Knowing my luck I will come home tomorrow after having my foot cut open to remove a nerve and it will arrive. Now that will be interesting as I hobbled to get it in the house, if it does anytime soon. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; cookie flannery ; Ralph Loveless ; Jeff Snell Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: [toytrains] Roadbed I just sent a email to Hobby Innovations to see when they think they might ship the order. I wish I knew it would be this long, I would of ordered the product back when I was building the table! My town is slipping out of recession but into a major depression! There a run on the banks, the milk is spoiling, the cats are chasing the cows around, cow on track has no train to stop, the lumber mill has no more wood to cut, as finished product is now starting to rot, the barrel loader has a backlog of barrels of monkeys to load, the whole town is turning into a Potterville!!! All they have left is booze to sell in this town. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47228	From: barb	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: 312 Boiler front question from a 5th wire believer

Cool, Tim. Or maybe it's hot!!! Anyway, we love smoking steamers!!! Barb -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> >Sent: Feb 6, 2008 10:19 AM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] 312 Boiler front question from a 5th wire believer > >I got a 312 about a year ago. It ran OK but didn't smoke much. It >got a tune-up with old dirt and grease removed, new lube, brushes >and springs right away. The reverse unit was in good shape so I >left it alone. Thinking that the motor would draw less current I >expected more smoke but didn't get it. > >So I rewicked the smoke unit with just a few less coils in the >element to bring it to 30 ohms. It made more smoke after warming up >for 10-20 seconds but not nearly as much as expected. > >Over the summer and fall the trains didn't get much attention but I >read and re-read posts here about the 5th wire. Some said it >worked, others said not, because a parallel circuit wil pass the >same current to all of its components. That made sense to me but I >decided to try it anyway last weekend while the Superbowl was on. > >WOW! Does it ever smoke now! As good or better than its much >lighter plastic bodied mates. But why? Maybe because its power now >bypasses the reverse unit completely? Either way, I'll be doing >this to every non-5th wire steamer I acquire. It's not original, >but it is reversable. And everything I buy (with few exceptions)has >already been modified by someone else, either purposely or as the >result of gravity. > >Back to the 312. This has the boiler front without spring arms. It >just *had* a tab which was part of the casting with a brass rivet >through it. The tab has broken off so sometimes the front stays in, >sometimes it flops out. > >Has anyone had any luck remedying this problem? I'll add a boiler >front to my next part order but in the meantime there is something >satisfying about making it work with what you have... > >Regards, > >Tim Benner >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47229	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: American Experience: Grand Central Station

Did any of you see this on PBS this past Monday night? I was a bit disappointed because (for me) it used too much time on contemporary people reminiscing and not enough on history. The account of the pressure against the NYC, precipitated by the Pennsy's undertaking of electrification & resultant breaking of The NYC's monopoly of service to Manhattan is particularly interesting. The aspects of occasional reckless operation of trains, public, press and governmental reactions, and design flaws were fascinating. The reminiscence by a chap who accompanied his buddy to the train departing for WWII duty was gripping. The recurring citation of "steam" being the primary objectionable consequence of pre-electric trains (instead of smoke) seemed simplistic. One of the repeated effects that I particularly enjoyed is the addition of animated steam coming out of the stationary engines in the old still monochrome photos. But I do recommend that you view it, especially in High Def. We received it off the air directly from WNET (13)'s transmitter, & therefore enjoyed quality superior to cable & satellite feeds, which are compressed (one of the dirty secrets those companies don't discuss in their touting of their services). And no, we can't record at that level of resolution. It was one of the rare times that I watch something when it's airing as compared to off of a disk, vengefully zapping interruptions. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47230	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: roadbed order

I ordered some roadbed from Inovations on Jan 4 and received it today. Dwight Knoxville, TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47231	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed order

Dwight. Thanks for letting me know that you got your order. I am sure it will come soon then. My point about my email today, was that they could not politely answer me on my question, on when they think it will be shipped. Again, the only other time, I emailed them, they said it would be about 3 weeks, which is fine. It is fine, that the order will come next week, but communication when a customer writes is important to respond back for many reasons. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: dwightlehnhoff To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:roadbed order I ordered some roadbed from Inovations on Jan 4 and received it today. Dwight Knoxville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47232	From: Firewood	Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: "Tender"-foot question

So, is it just me, or is steam locomotive knowledge going the way of the dodo? On a regular basis, I see locomotives of every scale and persuasion happily posing on Ebay. It's that backwards tender that always rubs me the wrong way........... ;0) FW

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47233	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: 312 Boiler front question from a 5th wire believer

Boiler front take wire cutters and dimple out the tab works like a charm !!!!!! Tom **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47234	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: "Tender"-foot question

It's not your imagination, the knowledge of steam power is just about gone. I was one of the last guys to get a boiler operator's license to run the boilers at school, and it was quite refreshing to talk to the inspector, a retired NKP fireman. This was in 1979! I love steam locos, and I too hate to see the tender backward, or customers come into the shop and call it "the coal car." But not knowing the subject isn't just a modern day thing. If you get a chance to see the 1958 monster flick "The Black Scorpion", you'll notice a train wreck toward the end (starring a Lionel loco and Walthers passenger cars)where the tender is correct at first, then backward just before the wreck! Hey, this was 1958, there were steam locos still running on some mainline railroads! Hey, maybe steam loco fans are getting to be an endangered species too! (shudder) Stumpy Stone...steamed up in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47235	From: David Engle	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: "Tender"-foot question

I would agree with you 99.9% of the time--as long as it moves and makes noises, 99% of the people who see them are happy. HOWEVER: There is a prototype even for this--the ex-Grand Trunk Western 0-8-0 steam switchers that were used for years at Northwestern Steel & Wire in Sterling, Illinois. These tenders were coupled backwards to the engines. why, I do not know. ----- Original Message ----- From: Firewood To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] "Tender"-foot question So, is it just me, or is steam locomotive knowledge going the way of the dodo? On a regular basis, I see locomotives of every scale and persuasion happily posing on Ebay. It's that backwards tender that always rubs me the wrong way........... ;0) FW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47236	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed order

Mike & Dwight, Just wondering how many feet did each of you order? They might want to run a larger order, so the color matches. Just a thought. Still not a good reason not to answer your E-Mails Mike...Mike in Ore **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47237	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed order

Mike, Mike and Dwight When I purchased over 300' of roadbed, it was taking a while and when i finally got thru to them on phone,I was told that this is a "custom" operating company And I was advised that yes they want to make sure that allthe colors match. So Mike Marmer, give the residentsof your Railroad town some food stamps the Railroad is on its way Jerry Matsick anormal1@... wrote: Mike & Dwight, Just wondering how many feet did each of you order? They might want to run a larger order, so the color matches. Just a thought. Still not a good reason not to answer your E-Mails Mike...Mike in Ore **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47238	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed order

Hi Mike, I ordered 150 feet. I have no problems where the order is, but I am not pleased they could not answer my email. Well, I will be out of commission for a week, as I am about to leave in a half hour to have a nerve cut out of my foot. Mike in MD ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:roadbed order Mike & Dwight, Just wondering how many feet did each of you order? They might want to run a larger order, so the color matches. Just a thought. Still not a good reason not to answer your E-Mails Mike...Mike in Ore **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47239	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3951

Why limit this pole to just one manufacturer? Further more, lumping all steam engines together from a manufacturer when there are often several types offered with very different capabilities and purposes is counterproductive. For example, SHS has two very different sound available sound systems for their Consolidations. In the case of Lionel AF, Docksides and Mikados are very different in intent, cost, and features. If you wish to run an S gauge steam engine survey, fine. It might prove helpful, however, how about putting one together than will be more comprehensive, useful, and have some validity? Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/7/2008 6:33:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: To attempt to quantify these feelings I have started a new poll for owners of American Flyer by Lionel steam locomotives. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47240	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed order

Mike, along with all the other on the S-Train group, we will be praying for you! Jerry Matsick Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Hi Mike, I ordered 150 feet. I have no problems where the order is, but I am not pleased they could not answer my email. Well, I will be out of commission for a week, as I am about to leave in a half hour to have a nerve cut out of my foot. Mike in MD ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:roadbed order Mike & Dwight, Just wondering how many feet did each of you order? They might want to run a larger order, so the color matches. Just a thought. Still not a good reason not to answer your E-Mails Mike...Mike in Ore **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47241	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3951

Bob, Why don't you set up a poll yourself that asks all the possible combinations for all steam, diesel, AF, AFL, SHS, AM and whatever else you want when the poll is limited to 25 items? And while you're at it make sure you account for those who have bought only 1, or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or whatever of all the possible combinations? Do the math - I thought about adding more choices but it quickly gets out of hand. The purpose of my poll was to get an idea of the level of satisfaction with AFL steam locos - nothing less, nothing more. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote: > > Why limit this pole to just one manufacturer? Further more, lumping all > steam engines together from a manufacturer when there are often several types > offered with very different capabilities and purposes is counterproductive. For > example, SHS has two very different sound available sound systems for their > Consolidations. In the case of Lionel AF, Docksides and Mikados are very > different in intent, cost, and features. > > If you wish to run an S gauge steam engine survey, fine. It might prove > helpful, however, how about putting one together than will be more comprehensive, > useful, and have some validity? > > Bob Bubeck > > > > In a message dated 2/7/2008 6:33:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > To attempt to quantify these feelings I have started a new poll for owners > of American Flyer by Lionel steam locomotives. > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47242	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel MP B Unit Horn

Leave the wiring alone or just do what the instuctions say on wiring. If it won't work then just turn the B Unit around on the track. Also be sure your track is clean and connected tight. John <pompeiijazz98@...> wrote: Recently I purchased the MP Set from Train World, and have been unsuccessful in getting the horn to work. I am using an 18b transformer, and have tried the wiring several different ways. Any suggestions? --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47243	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Mike Marmer's Roadbed

There has been a lot of TALK about Mike Marmer's Vinyl Roadbed, I used it and believe it is the best on the market. One problem I ran into was the same as Mike's - "Time to process", the road bed in most cases is "Custom" blended, it is a small operation and I can understand their reasons after reading what and how they produce the road bed. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville SO WHAT MAKES VINYLBED A BETTER ROADBED MATERIAL THAN ALL THE REST? SUPERIOR SOUND ABSORPTION Vinylbed's recycled granular vinyl composition allows quieter operation by reducing vibrations and noise. IT CURVES IN ONE PIECE Use any piece of Vinylbed for a straight or a curve. A slit down the center or relief cuts are not required. The flexible vinyl granules squeeze together on the inside of the curve and s-t-r-e-t-c-h on the outside. DIMENSIONALLY STABLE Temperature and humidity changes do not effect the size of Vinylbed. Manufactured from unique weather resistant materials, it can be used indoors or outdoors. E-Z INSTALLATION There is no sanding , filling of grooves, or sealing necessary. Vinylbed can be fastened to benchwork with: brads, nails, staples, white glue, yellow wood glue, hot glue, or contact cement. It cuts easily with a sharp hobby or utility knife. VARIETY OF SIZE 4Vinylbed is available in multiple thicknesses to allow accurate modeling of all types of trackage, from lightly ballasted sidings to heavier ballasted mainlines and branchlines. SUBVINYLBED ROADBED SYSTEM Optional SubVinylbed can be used with specific sizes of Vinylbed Scale products to form a roadbed system. SubVinylbed simulates the roadway (sub-ballast) that elevates the roadbed to allow for modeling prototypical drainage ditches and also provide correct thickness and width for single or multiple tracks. view diagram TOUGH AND DURABLE Vinylbed will not compress or deflect from the weight of your trains. Paint thinner, latex paint, or adhesives will not dissolve it. Popular methods of ballasting apply. REUSABLE Vinyl roadbed remains pliable and can be re-used. Other materials like foam, uncured rubber, cork, and homasote cannot. Vinylbed won't: shrink, swell, warp or harden. CUSTOM MADE Vinylbed is cut to prototype dimensions for scale tie track and proportional dimensions for tinplate and hi-rail track. When your order is placed it is custom cut to look just right with your brand of track. RECYCLED Vinylbed is a multi-shaded gray roadbed product, proudly manufactured from recycled materials in the U.S.A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47244	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Grand Central Station

I also enjoyed the PBS show on Grand Central and related evolution of the railroads at the turn of the last century. The full transcript will be available at PBS.org. The program was a part of �The American Experience.� There is already a gallery of pictures available there and I incorporated a couple of them into my computer wallpaper changer. Dave No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 8:57 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47245	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: What about the future MTH and S Gauge

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47246	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: 312 Boiler front question from a 5th wire believer

Sounds like your tab is completely gone so "dimpling" it may not be an option (another option if you still have a tab is a "blob" of solder on the brass rivet - to be filed as needed for a snug fit). I also lost a tab on my 302 front (it has several, but no rivets) and my last "experiment" was to try a dab of hot glue on either side of the front. I doubt it's a permanent fix but it's been holding for several weeks. When the need for removal comes the hot glue should pretty much just peel off of the slick casting. Steve > just *had* a tab which was part of the casting with a brass rivet > through it. The tab has broken off so sometimes the front stays in, > sometimes it flops out. > > Has anyone had any luck remedying this problem? I'll add a boiler > front to my next part order but in the meantime there is something > satisfying about making it work with what you have...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47247	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: schematic test of Lionel's customer service

"Shiffy Just out of curiosity what schematics are you looking for? MK" The bascule bridge, which is another piece you S'ers should be able to enjoy. Mine blew out due to a derailment. Excessive current being drawn through the card evaporated foil traces that are neither sufficiently robust nor protected by a fuse. I replaced the traces with soldered wires. AND I disconnected the current pass-through that feeds or shuts off power to the block of track htat's supposed to be controlled by the bridge: ALL WITHOUT THE "ASSISTANCE" OF LIONEL. Having learned from that experience, I preventively disconnected the track block circuit from the lift bridge. One inadvertent benefit to the experience is vicariously running trains towards lifted bridges that lack automatic track shutoff! Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47248	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: 312 Boiler front question from a 5th wire believer

Thanks everyone. The tab was indeed gone. Someone suggested using a little clear silicone caulk on either side of the lip. Similar to the hot glue but not as fast. Both are excellent ideas. I used some black RTV I had in garage. It's curing right now. Can't wait to get home from work and run it without light streaming from the boiler front! Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47249	From: Grant	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: American Experience: Grand Central Station

It was a strange disjointed documentary (which I tend to watch a lot of). It skipped over decades at a time or stuck a personal story in the middle of a segment which had nothing to do with each other. I hated the female writer who slammed the RR for using steam and other things - only because they hadn't been invented yet. I'd like to see her get off her butt and invent something instead of criticizing people who's dead and can't defend their actions. Still some great footage that can't be beat! Art's correct about OTA HD. I've had HD almost 10 years now getting free uncompressed incredible pictures with my antenna. Mind you for the 1st few years PBS showed only nature videos of fields of grain and such - but they looked awesome. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art Shifrin" <Goldens3@...> wrote: > > Did any of you see this on PBS this past Monday night? I was a bit > disappointed because (for me) it used too much time on contemporary > people reminiscing and not enough on history. The account of the > pressure against the NYC, precipitated by the Pennsy's undertaking of > electrification & resultant breaking of The NYC's monopoly of service to > Manhattan is particularly interesting. The aspects of occasional > reckless operation of trains, public, press and governmental reactions, > and design flaws were fascinating. The reminiscence by a chap who > accompanied his buddy to the train departing for WWII duty was gripping. > The recurring citation of "steam" being the primary objectionable > consequence of pre-electric trains (instead of smoke) seemed > simplistic. > > One of the repeated effects that I particularly enjoyed is the addition > of animated steam coming out of the stationary engines in the old still > monochrome photos. > > But I do recommend that you view it, especially in High Def. We > received it off the air directly from WNET (13)'s transmitter, & > therefore enjoyed quality superior to cable & satellite feeds, which are > compressed (one of the dirty secrets those companies don't discuss in > their touting of their services). And no, we can't record at that level > of resolution. It was one of the rare times that I watch something > when it's airing as compared to off of a disk, vengefully zapping > interruptions. > > Shiffy > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47250	From: Michael Rector	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel ownership

Someone far more clever than I said "The longer you carry a grudge, the heavier it becomes". First time for me to speak out. Hello to all! Mike (in Ohio) roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Good question. Some folks spend a lifetime holding a grudge. I recall several comments on various train lists that indicate some people are still fighting World War II and/or the War Between The States. Anger at a toy train company? God only knows how long THAT could last. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:46:09 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel ownership Phil, I still have a friend who will not order any Lionel AFproduct because is mad about the product made in the early years. He said he will not order any product till they do better also. I think the new ownership has done better. How long do "you" (in general) stay mad at Lionel. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:36 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel ownership Mike -- Sometimes I think people forget that comparing the Lionel of previous years (different owners & management) to Lionel today is like comparing today's Harley Davidson Corp. to that of the 1970s. Here's a list (majority ownership): LIONEL OWNERS 1967 - Lionel Corp., the original 1969 - Model Products Corp. [General Mills] 1973 - Fundimension [General Mills] 1984 - Kenner-Parker 1985 - Dick Kughn 1996 - Wellspring Partners, LLC [today] Don't forget Gilbert went thru some ownership changes before being sold at bunkruptcy to Lionel Corp. in 1967, too. Lionel itself decalred bankruptcy a few months later. Phil K ================================================================ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Probably the amount of business they might get from us, might be really nothing to Lionel in the overall picture of total sales and profit. Who knows. > > But on the other hand..... > > I can understand people's frustration with Lionel, as I had problems with things brought in the early 90's, like a passenger set that died one hour after purchased from a shop 3 hours away from me. We know about the engine problems they had, as the shop did take care of the problem. > > But I think the company has changed in making more AF products and a bit better, as I have been pleased with many accessories I have gotten. > > They have a nice CN reefer coming out, that I will get. > > So, those who had problems in the past with Lionel, give them a chance again, as I think they are making a effort to keep product coming and more. Not that I into K Line track, but they brought that back into product. So they do see a demand, otherwise, they would of killed the whole line. > > > Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47251	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Fw: order

Hi, I got this email today about the roadbed. It seems they ran out of product which can happen. They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the material back in around Feb. 25. I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like what I see in the sample I have. And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot that was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the second try at it. Other side of the toe, this time. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marmer, Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to make your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been back-ordered until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the materials we will need to do the final processing and curing. After that it can be sliced into the different thickness' to make roadbed. It looks like it will not be until the week of February 25th before your order can be processed and shipped. I apologize for delaying your layout project, but at this point it is out of our hands. The only orders being processed at this time are part numbers using the 1/8" and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to continue to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. Your layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. Best Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@...> Hi, I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. Thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marner, We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! Sincerely Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm To: <Vinylbed@...> Hi, I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S scale roadbed. I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you received the letter. Thank you, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47252	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?

One possible solution to this problem would be to buy a variable transformer to plug your train transformer into. If you adjusted the variable transformer to output 90 volts instead of 120 volts, the output for the train's transformer would be only 75% of what it would otherwise be. Put the variable transformer somewhere where the kids can't get to it and it should solve the problem. Here is a link to a variable transformer I found that doesn't seem to be too expensive. I've not used this one, but if it meets its specs, it should work. By the way, this will only work with traditional type of Flyer or Lionel transformers. Do not try it with the newer pulse width modulated power supplies. http://www.mpja.com/prodinfo.asp?number=15162+TR Vic Bereskin S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: 4. Any transformer limit voltage for kids? Posted by: "jhl1963" jhl1963@... <mailto:jhl1963@...?Subject=%20Re%3AAny%20transformer%20limit%20voltage%20for%20kids%3F> jhl1963 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/jhl1963> Tue Feb 5, 2008 8:09 am (PST) Does anybody know of any transformer that allows you to limit/govern the voltage for kids? I thought about putting a resistor in line but was advised this could be dangerous. I seem to remember reading about one that does, but I can't remember. Thanks, Jordan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47253	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: 314AW Whistle Sound

Looking back through a few months of posts there have been several regards the sound of various types of AF whistles. I'm doing some refurb on my 314AW and, since I have it apart, thought I'd post a short video (8 seconds) of one "in action". It's in Files, named 314AW Whistle.mpg . I've also put together some documentation on the 314AW whistle circuitry (started out just for my own reference). I'll post that as well if there's any interest. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47254	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: order

Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order Hi, I got this email today about the roadbed. It seems they ran out of product which can happen. They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the material back in around Feb. 25. I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like what I see in the sample I have. And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot that was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the second try at it. Other side of the toe, this time. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marmer, Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to make your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been back-ordered until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the materials we will need to do the final processing and curing. After that it can be sliced into the different thickness' to make roadbed. It looks like it will not be until the week of February 25th before your order can be processed and shipped. I apologize for delaying your layout project, but at this point it is out of our hands. The only orders being processed at this time are part numbers using the 1/8" and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to continue to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. Your layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. Best Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@...> Hi, I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. Thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marner, We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! Sincerely Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm To: <Vinylbed@...> Hi, I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S scale roadbed. I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you received the letter. Thank you, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47255	From: barb	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW Whistle Sound

Kewl, Steve. That sound will get me charged every time. Thanks.... Barb -----Original Message----- >From: teeb_1 <louavul@...> >Sent: Feb 7, 2008 7:58 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] 314AW Whistle Sound > > >Looking back through a few months of posts there have been several >regards the sound of various types of AF whistles. I'm doing some >refurb on my 314AW and, since I have it apart, thought I'd post a short >video (8 seconds) of one "in action". > >It's in Files, named 314AW Whistle.mpg . > >I've also put together some documentation on the 314AW whistle circuitry >(started out just for my own reference). I'll post that as well if >there's any interest. > >Steve > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47256	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: order

Gale, Either you are overwhelmed with my news of what is going on with the roadbed or sick of my reports on my roadbed and sinking town with out rail traffic. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] order Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order Hi, I got this email today about the roadbed. It seems they ran out of product which can happen. They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the material back in around Feb. 25. I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like what I see in the sample I have. And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot that was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the second try at it. Other side of the toe, this time. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marmer, Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to make your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been back-ordered until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the materials we will need to do the final processing and curing. After that it can be sliced into the different thickness' to make roadbed. It looks like it will not be until the week of February 25th before your order can be processed and shipped. I apologize for delaying your layout project, but at this point it is out of our hands. The only orders being processed at this time are part numbers using the 1/8" and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to continue to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. Your layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. Best Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@...> Hi, I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. Thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marner, We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! Sincerely Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm To: <Vinylbed@...> Hi, I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S scale roadbed. I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you received the letter. Thank you, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47257	From: jhl1963	Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?

Thanks - what a great idea! I assume this shouldnt harm an original 18B at all? Thanks, Jordan --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Victor Bereskin <bereskin@...> wrote: > > One possible solution to this problem would be to buy a variable > transformer to plug your train transformer into. If you adjusted the > variable transformer to output 90 volts instead of 120 volts, the output > for the train's transformer would be only 75% of what it would otherwise > be. Put the variable transformer somewhere where the kids can't get to > it and it should solve the problem. Here is a link to a variable > transformer I found that doesn't seem to be too expensive. I've not > used this one, but if it meets its specs, it should work. > > By the way, this will only work with traditional type of Flyer or Lionel > transformers. Do not try it with the newer pulse width modulated power > supplies. > > http://www.mpja.com/prodinfo.asp?number=15162+TR > > Vic Bereskin > > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > 4. > > > Any transformer limit voltage for kids? > > Posted by: "jhl1963" jhl1963@... > > <mailto:jhl1963@...?Subject=%20Re%3AAny%20transformer%20limit% 20voltage%20for%20kids%3F> > > jhl1963 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/jhl1963> > > > Tue Feb 5, 2008 8:09 am (PST) > > Does anybody know of any transformer that allows you to limit/govern > the voltage for kids? I thought about putting a resistor in line but > was advised this could be dangerous. > > I seem to remember reading about one that does, but I can't remember. > > Thanks, > Jordan >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47258	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: What is the Lionel Pacific?

Is it new or a reissue? It is not the AF Plastic Pacific? Since AM has such a great Pacific I could not see Lionel doing new tooling. Remember when we wanted to convert the Marx / K-line engine? I found an old Marx to try and convert. Like every thing else I never got around to fixing it. It needs some work, so may be I'll put it up for sale on e-bay. Jim S --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47259	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the Lionel Pacific?

Try www.lionel.com and click on the blue 2008 cat. Then go to page 135 JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> wrote: Is it new or a reissue? It is not the AF Plastic Pacific? Since AM has such a great Pacific I could not see Lionel doing new tooling. Remember when we wanted to convert the Marx / K-line engine? I found an old Marx to try and convert. Like every thing else I never got around to fixing it. It needs some work, so may be I'll put it up for sale on e-bay. Jim S --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47260	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?

This question got me to thinking again...(dangerous)...about how much more aware we are of things today compared to "the good old days." A hundred years ago there were a few manufacturers who made live steam toy locomotives for children! These produced about fifteen pounds of steam pressure from an open top tank of alcohol under the boiler. You ignited the fuel and set the throttle and let it go. Can you imagine letting a child play with an open alcohol fire inside your house? Can you imagine what would happen if the engine derailed and fell over? There were no messages "Use with adult supervision." Perhaps in a world where you used candles to light your Christmas tree, this wasn't a big deal. Another toy train from about the same era was the Voltamp and Carlise & Finch electric trains with no transformer. These ran off house current and speed was controlled by a row of light bulbs. To slow the train down you screwed in the bulbs until you drew enough current to the lights to slow the train! Once again there was no warning about adult supervision. Can you imagine giving a child a toy which ran on 110 volts and God knows how many amps with bare rails? Lead in the paint wasn't even a bump in the road with this sort of thing going on! How times have changed...in this case for the better! Stumpy Stone...glad I played with American Flyer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47261	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW Whistle Sound

Thanks for posting that. I never actually heard one before, just the whistling billboard. That sounds great! Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47262	From: chudgr@earthlink.net	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the Lionel Pacific?

What is the Lionel Pacific? Posted by: "JAMES SLEETH" aztecfan@... aztecfan Fri Feb 8, 2008 3:39 am (PST) >Is it new or a reissue? >It is not the AF Plastic Pacific? >Since AM has such a great Pacific I could not see Lionel doing new tooling. >Remember when we wanted to convert the Marx / K-line engine? >I found an old Marx to try and convert. Like every thing else I never got around to fixing it. >It needs some work, so may be I'll put it up for sale on e-bay. >Jim S Jim, The following link displays the Pacific in the Lionel 2007, Vol 2 catalog. http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogUID=F452DB54-B0D0-205D-B71D2ABDCD39E6E7&PageID=1425 IMHO, it is their Mikado loco frame (of the past several years) retrofitted with a 4-6-2 wheel arrangement with TMCC! Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47263	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?

Dear Stumpy, A hundred years ago there were no electric lights for Christmas trees. They used lots of candles on the evergreens. Now there is a real fire hazard. My great aunt told me that they only lite these once or at most twice. On Christmas eve and maybe again on Christmas. All of the trees were fresh cut and kept up for a few days only. She still had one of the old candle holders with a counterweight to keep it upright. Don PS I too am glad that my parent bought me American Flyer S SCALE trains instead of 0-27. Stumpy Stone wrote: > Can you imagine letting a child play with an open alcohol fire > inside your house? > > > Stumpy Stone...glad I played with American Flyer > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47264	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel MP B Unit Horn

You need the Lionel whistle controller; Gilbert's doesn't work the same way-L puts a DC pulse thru the rails, Gilbert's sends a signal. Generally, the pre-war controllers no longer work, a resistor or something perishes over time. K-Line made one that works OK. To have both horn and bell work, you need 2 of the controllers wired together as shown in the installation directions. If using just one, you may have to reverse the B unit to get the desired effect. I just sold the only extra one that I had, but I'm sure there are others out there-they came with the B units throught the Pony Express, and with most Alco sets and the EP-5s. Happy hunting!-John Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47265	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Poll - Satisfaction With Lionel Steam Locomotives

The only steam Flyonel loco I own is the Alton LTD Pacific. I am totally pleased with the level of detail, finish, sound and performance-Caveat: running it in Conventional, not TMCC mode, will have a lesser smoke output-here's where a ZW has an advantage over a 30B, namely, 3 more v. output. Sound is great. Only bitch-and it's kinda nitpicking, is the flake size in the silver paint. Love it, was worth the $$ sacrifice-john Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47266	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Survey - Digest Number 3952

bg1, Trains are my hobby. I leave the unscientific poll-taking as an avocation for others. ;-) Just for grins, L-AF has four steam types, AM has three, and SHS has one. That's not a long list. If you can see your way to putting together a bit broader survey, it will probably yield results that are more useful and will avoid the appearance of picking on just one of the manufacturers. For your consideration. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/8/2008 12:10:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Bob, Why don't you set up a poll yourself that asks all the possible combinations for all steam, diesel, AF, AFL, SHS, AM and whatever else you want when the poll is limited to 25 items? And while you're at it make sure you account for those who have bought only 1, or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or whatever of all the possible combinations? Do the math - I thought about adding more choices but it quickly gets out of hand. The purpose of my poll was to get an idea of the level of satisfaction with AFL steam locos - nothing less, nothing more. BG1 --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , rbubeck327@., rbu > > Why limit this pole to just one manufacturer? Further more, lumping all > steam engines together from a manufacturer when there are often several types > offered with very different capabilities and purposes is counterproductive. For > example, SHS has two very different sound available sound systems for their > Consolidations. In the case of Lionel AF, Docksides and Mikados are very > different in intent, cost, and features. > > If you wish to run an S gauge steam engine survey, fine. It might prove > helpful, however, how about putting one together than will be more comprehensive, > useful, and have some validity? > > Bob Bubeck **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47267	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW Whistle Sound

Thanks for posting that. I never actually heard one before, just the whistling billboard. That sounds great! Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47268	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the Lionel Pacific? - Digest Number 3953

Jim, The new L-AF Pacific is an all new engine in which the USRA boiler and cab tooling are carried over from the all-new Mikado, but the running gear, trailing truck, and pilot truck are specific to the Pacific. Many light Pacifics in prototype were built in precisely this manner. Lionel's latest B&O USRA light Pacific is an excellent model of what was the real thing down to the correct cab number. Construction is excellent. All add-on details are fashioned from brass, and the tender, boiler, and cab are die-cast. The cab is finished complete with engineer and fireman figures. Every wheel, including the pilot truck wheels, provide electrical pick up. All tender wheels provide power for the digital sounds. The new Pacifics are equipped with a command control system (TMCC), excellent Railsounds 5.0, and a wireless infra-red tether (no ugly wire harness between the engine and tender). Smoke is generated with a Seuthe(R) unit, which is the one shortcoming in these engines. It generates satisfying smoke but it runs through fluid rapidly and requires frequent refills. They are smooth runners, but are best operated with TMCC, which can be had cheaply (~$90) and installed in any layout in about two minutes. These engines are a half century advanced from anyone's postwar Pacifics in content, in precision of manufacture, and as models. The AM Pacifics are nice, but do not match the details, construction, features, or modeling accuracy of the L-AFs, which in all fairness do cost more. I own two (C&A and B&O) and am very pleased them overall. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/8/2008 6:57:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Is it new or a reissue? It is not the AF Plastic Pacific? Since AM has such a great Pacific I could not see Lionel doing new tooling. Remember when we wanted to convert the Marx / K-line engine? I found an old Marx to try and convert. Like every thing else I never got around to fixing it. It needs some work, so may be I'll put it up for sale on e-bay. Jim S **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47269	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: order

Mike, I am just thrilled you got an email from them,,,,,, S is for sometime....Sometime S is for soon........and sometime S is for standfast....S is also for wait, oops w is for wait. Good luck with the roadbed and better than good luck with the toe.. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Gale, Either you are overwhelmed with my news of what is going on with the roadbed or sick of my reports on my roadbed and sinking town with out rail traffic. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] order Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order Hi, I got this email today about the roadbed. It seems they ran out of product which can happen. They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the material back in around Feb. 25. I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like what I see in the sample I have. And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot that was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the second try at it. Other side of the toe, this time. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marmer, Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to make your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been back-ordered until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the materials we will need to do the final processing and curing. After that it can be sliced into the different thickness' to make roadbed. It looks like it will not be until the week of February 25th before your order can be processed and shipped. I apologize for delaying your layout project, but at this point it is out of our hands. The only orders being processed at this time are part numbers using the 1/8" and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to continue to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. Your layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. Best Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@...> Hi, I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. Thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marner, We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! Sincerely Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm To: <Vinylbed@...> Hi, I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S scale roadbed. I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you received the letter. Thank you, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47270	From: roy inman	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy teather

Anyone have thoughts as to why the just-catalog Big Boy uses a tether for engine to tender connection instead of the IR system as on the Pacifics? Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47271	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: order

S also stands for Survivor and Sometimes still. I like S for Standard suitable size. Gale Hall <frisco91@...> wrote: Mike, I am just thrilled you got an email from them,,,,,, S is for sometime....Sometime S is for soon........and sometime S is for standfast....S is also for wait, oops w is for wait. Good luck with the roadbed and better than good luck with the toe.. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Gale, Either you are overwhelmed with my news of what is going on with the roadbed or sick of my reports on my roadbed and sinking town with out rail traffic. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] order Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order Hi, I got this email today about the roadbed. It seems they ran out of product which can happen. They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the material back in around Feb. 25. I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like what I see in the sample I have. And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot that was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the second try at it. Other side of the toe, this time. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marmer, Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to make your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been back-ordered until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the materials we will need to do the final processing and curing. After that it can be sliced into the different thickness' to make roadbed. It looks like it will not be until the week of February 25th before your order can be processed and shipped. I apologize for delaying your layout project, but at this point it is out of our hands. The only orders being processed at this time are part numbers using the 1/8" and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to continue to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. Your layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. Best Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@...> Hi, I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. Thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marner, We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! Sincerely Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm To: <Vinylbed@...> Hi, I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S scale roadbed. I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you received the letter. Thank you, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47272	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

If you want a smooth and quiet running railroad without waiting for rubber roadbed and from which you can hear all the great sounds that your Gilbert Flyer (choo-choo, ACW, AW, Diesel Roar, etc.) and/or new electronic sound equipped engines can make allow me to suggest the following set up. It is so quiet that if, for example, an S-Helper 2- 8-0 pulling some rolling stock is run with its sounds off you can barely hear anything at all - - extremely quiet. That means with sounds on they (e.g. chuff, whistle, bell, Fireman Fred, injectors, etc.) come through clear as a bell (pun intended) without wheel- sounds washing them out. The benefits of a quiet running layout are all the more realized when more than one engine is run at a time on multiple loops. - ¾" plywood tabletop - Edge it with 1"x2" (broad side down) – for a hard perimeter in case you or guests lean on the edge of your layout. - Lay down ¾" pink foam board within in the 1"X2" perimeter. - Covered it all with one large piece of indoor/outdoor carpet (not the ribbed typed). Carpet stores have it on large rolls. Staple it down only to 1"x2" perimeter. - Use S-Trax with lead wires every 3'-4' fed up through holes drilled in the foam and plywood Do not nail or screw tracks down. This is key because otherwise nails or screws do a superb job of conducting wheel noises and rumble from the tracks to the plywood making it resonate with them like a drumhead. Don't worry there's still some pleasing clickety-clack from metal wheels section to section. Some don't like the look of I/O carpet, but it helps keep the S-Trax in place and dampen rumble noises. Besides if you ever want to change or reconfigure your tracks, or repair/replace a turnout it's easy this way to do so.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47273	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: order

I like Someday best, Don frank emiro wrote: > S also stands for Survivor and Sometimes still. I like S for Standard > suitable size. > > Gale Hall <frisco91@... <mailto:frisco91%40swbell.net>> wrote: > Mike, > > I am just thrilled you got an email from them,,,,,, > > S is for sometime....Sometime S is for soon........and sometime S is > for standfast....S is also for wait, oops w is for wait. > > Good luck with the roadbed and better than good luck with the toe.. > > gale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > Gale, > > Either you are overwhelmed with my news of what is going on with the > roadbed or sick of my reports on my roadbed and sinking town with out > rail traffic. > > LOL > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gale Hall > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:43 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] order > > Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > gale hall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order > > Hi, > > I got this email today about the roadbed. > > It seems they ran out of product which can happen. > > They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the > material back in around Feb. 25. > > I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like > what I see in the sample I have. > > And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot > that was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the > second try at it. Other side of the toe, this time. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joann Sovia > To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM > Subject: RE: order > > Hello Mr. Marmer, > > Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to > make your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been > back-ordered until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the > materials we will need to do the final processing and curing. After > that it can be sliced into the different thickness' to make roadbed. > It looks like it will not be until the week of February 25th before > your order can be processed and shipped. I apologize for delaying your > layout project, but at this point it is out of our hands. The only > orders being processed at this time are part numbers using the 1/8" > and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to continue > to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an > alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. > Your layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. > > Best Regards, > > Joann Sovia > Hobby Innovations > P.O. Box 676 > Mountain City TN 37683 > 423-727-8000 > Joann@... <mailto:Joann%40HobbyInnovations.com> > www.HobbyInnovations.com > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: order > From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> > Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm > To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@... > <mailto:Sales%40HobbyInnovations.com>> > > Hi, > > I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. > > Thank you. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joann Sovia > To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM > Subject: RE: order > > Hello Mr. Marner, > > We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal > order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I > will send an email with the tracking information when your order has > been shipped. > > Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! > > Sincerely > > Joann Sovia > Hobby Innovations > P.O. Box 676 > Mountain City TN 37683 > 423-727-8000 > Joann@... <mailto:Joann%40HobbyInnovations.com> > www.HobbyInnovations.com > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: order > From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> > Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm > To: <Vinylbed@... <mailto:Vinylbed%40mounet.com>> > > Hi, > > I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" > S scale roadbed. > > I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that > you received the letter. > > Thank you, > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: > 2/7/2008 11:17 AM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: > 2/7/2008 11:17 AM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47274	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy $672.

Check it out http://www.trainworld.com/lionel_2008_vol.htm --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47275	From: barb	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Hi Group, This is a great idea and I used something similar on my layout. On top of the plywood I installed a layer of homosote which I attached with drywall screws. Atop that I put down a layer of indoor/outdoor carpeting (in grey). I attached my AF track to that with a piece of Velcro hidden under one tie per track section. It works great for quieting the sound of 7 trains and a trolley all running at the same time. In addition, it's easy to move the track because the Velcro is not as permanent as a staple. Oh yes, the carpeting doesn't slide on top of the homosote so no need to glue or otherwise attach it. Instead of laying out a full sheet of carpeting, I made a pattern of a straight piece and curved piece of track a bit wider than the track. This is what I put under the track. It sufficed as roadbed for now until I get the ballasting done. Then the carpeting will disappear. Certainly lots of ways to do things on our layouts and mine is just one of many.... Barb -----Original Message----- >From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> >Sent: Feb 8, 2008 11:22 AM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: order > >If you want a smooth and quiet running railroad without waiting for >rubber roadbed and from which you can hear all the great sounds that >your Gilbert Flyer (choo-choo, ACW, AW, Diesel Roar, etc.) and/or new >electronic sound equipped engines can make allow me to suggest the >following set up. It is so quiet that if, for example, an S-Helper 2- >8-0 pulling some rolling stock is run with its sounds off you can >barely hear anything at all - - extremely quiet. That means with >sounds on they (e.g. chuff, whistle, bell, Fireman Fred, injectors, >etc.) come through clear as a bell (pun intended) without wheel- >sounds washing them out. The benefits of a quiet running layout are >all the more realized when more than one engine is run at a time on >multiple loops. >- ¾" plywood tabletop >- Edge it with 1"x2" (broad side down) – for a hard perimeter >in case you or guests lean on the edge of your layout. >- Lay down ¾" pink foam board within in the 1"X2" perimeter. >- Covered it all with one large piece of indoor/outdoor carpet >(not the ribbed typed). Carpet stores have it on large rolls. Staple >it down only to 1"x2" perimeter. >- Use S-Trax with lead wires every 3'-4' fed up through holes >drilled in the foam and plywood Do not nail or screw tracks down. >This is key because otherwise nails or screws do a superb job of >conducting wheel noises and rumble from the tracks to the plywood >making it resonate with them like a drumhead. Don't worry there's >still some pleasing clickety-clack from metal wheels section to >section. > >Some don't like the look of I/O carpet, but it helps keep the S-Trax >in place and dampen rumble noises. Besides if you ever want to >change or reconfigure your tracks, or repair/replace a turnout it's >easy this way to do so. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47276	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: order

I have to agree that is good, Frank. Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: I like Someday best, Don frank emiro wrote: > S also stands for Survivor and Sometimes still. I like S for Standard > suitable size. > > Gale Hall <frisco91@... <mailto:frisco91%40swbell.net>> wrote: > Mike, > > I am just thrilled you got an email from them,,,,,, > > S is for sometime....Sometime S is for soon........and sometime S is > for standfast....S is also for wait, oops w is for wait. > > Good luck with the roadbed and better than good luck with the toe.. > > gale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > Gale, > > Either you are overwhelmed with my news of what is going on with the > roadbed or sick of my reports on my roadbed and sinking town with out > rail traffic. > > LOL > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gale Hall > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:43 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] order > > Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > gale hall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order > > Hi, > > I got this email today about the roadbed. > > It seems they ran out of product which can happen. > > They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the > material back in around Feb. 25. > > I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like > what I see in the sample I have. > > And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot > that was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the > second try at it. Other side of the toe, this time. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joann Sovia > To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM > Subject: RE: order > > Hello Mr. Marmer, > > Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to > make your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been > back-ordered until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the > materials we will need to do the final processing and curing. After > that it can be sliced into the different thickness' to make roadbed. > It looks like it will not be until the week of February 25th before > your order can be processed and shipped. I apologize for delaying your > layout project, but at this point it is out of our hands. The only > orders being processed at this time are part numbers using the 1/8" > and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to continue > to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an > alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. > Your layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. > > Best Regards, > > Joann Sovia > Hobby Innovations > P.O. Box 676 > Mountain City TN 37683 > 423-727-8000 > Joann@... <mailto:Joann%40HobbyInnovations.com> > www.HobbyInnovations.com > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: order > From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> > Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm > To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@... > <mailto:Sales%40HobbyInnovations.com>> > > Hi, > > I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. > > Thank you. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joann Sovia > To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM > Subject: RE: order > > Hello Mr. Marner, > > We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal > order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I > will send an email with the tracking information when your order has > been shipped. > > Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! > > Sincerely > > Joann Sovia > Hobby Innovations > P.O. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47277	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: order

Hi Gale, I knew you probably meant that I got the email from them, but I wasn't sure. LOL Thanks for the first email and the good luck with the roadbed and foot. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Mike, I am just thrilled you got an email from them,,,,,, S is for sometime....Sometime S is for soon........and sometime S is for standfast....S is also for wait, oops w is for wait. Good luck with the roadbed and better than good luck with the toe.. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Gale, Either you are overwhelmed with my news of what is going on with the roadbed or sick of my reports on my roadbed and sinking town with out rail traffic. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] order Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order Hi, I got this email today about the roadbed. It seems they ran out of product which can happen. They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the material back in around Feb. 25. I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like what I see in the sample I have. And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot that was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the second try at it. Other side of the toe, this time. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marmer, Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to make your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been back-ordered until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the materials we will need to do the final processing and curing. After that it can be sliced into the different thickness' to make roadbed. It looks like it will not be until the week of February 25th before your order can be processed and shipped. I apologize for delaying your layout project, but at this point it is out of our hands. The only orders being processed at this time are part numbers using the 1/8" and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to continue to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. Your layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. Best Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@...> Hi, I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. Thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marner, We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! Sincerely Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm To: <Vinylbed@...> Hi, I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S scale roadbed. I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you received the letter. Thank you, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47278	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the Lionel Pacific? - Digest Number 3953

Go to the ebay auction below, and there are pictures of one. I have this very loco and it has a nice sound set. You can see the valve gear in operation at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz3O8v2JVMc Ebay auction 110222749672 I have an extra one that is NIB that I would like to sell, but will post a note on the available s gauge list.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47279	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: New Unscientific Poll - Are You Pleased With Your Steam Locomotive?

Based on comments, I have prepared a new poll to get an idea of how we feel about our AFL, American Models and SHS steam locomotives. Please vote based on your level of satisfaction (Pleased, Neutral or Displeased) for each steam locomotive you own. Multiple votes are allowed so if you have more than one steam locomotive and they fall into different categories then vote once for each one! I apologize in advance for the order of possible responses. For some reason when I submitted the poll the responses were placed in somewhat random order rather than grouped by type. Each of the 8 types of locomotives has 3 choices somewhere in the list. If you have not already voted in the AFL steam locomotive poll it is still open for your vote. Thank you in advance for your input. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47280	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????

List; Ok, I just wanted to let you in on fun things you can do with your trains, especially the iron from SHS! And I've even got pictures!!! Current projects in work in my garage; -Coversion of ALL my rolling stock to SHS trucks (they roll FINE!!) -Convert all couplers to Kadee -Coversion of ALL my motive power to DCC, this will take awhile, but I'm well down the road Most recently, I put LokSound in my F3 A unit, 10 minutes, no kidding! I added a jumper under the SHS plug board to link Aux 3 of the decoder over to the number boards, also a standby jumper in case I want to add marker lights (maybe those 3 way markers, ala F7?) To finish it off, it got a Bass Reflex speaker, and trust me, you can hear the difference. Then the B units got the same treatment. Lastly, I took every piece of rolling stock I had converted, hooked em up, and let er rip! If you want to view the result in moving pictures, heres a link on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzWPccb1F6s If you want to see a couple pics of the units shell off, there is a new photo album on this group labeled, "SHS F3 DCC conversion" Check it out. some questions may be running through your mind, like, "how did he do the staggered starts?", "how many cars is that?", "How come each unit engine sounds slightly different?", "Is that little speaker making all that rich sound?" --- and you may have more,,,, ask away! Personally, this is the most fun I've had with my trains since I was 12!!!! cheers phil d

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47281	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the Lionel Pacific? - Digest Number 3953

Except I wonder why they put a center headlight on the B&O Version. They could have just used the smokebox front and headlight from the B&O 2-8-2 which was correct. Duh. The only center headlight Pacifics that I can recall that kept center headlights ran on the Buffalo Rochester and Pacific and maybe the Alton when B&O merged with them - and I doubt they were USRA Pacifics. But it's a decent offering anyway and nitpickers can just rework the front or maybe order parts from Lionel -- good luck there. Jeff Madden ________________________________ > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: rbubeck327@... > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:16:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What is the Lionel Pacific? - Digest Number 3953 > > > Jim, > > The new L-AF Pacific is an all new engine in which the USRA boiler and cab > tooling are carried over from the all-new Mikado, but the running gear, > trailing truck, and pilot truck are specific to the Pacific. Many light Pacifics in > prototype were built in precisely this manner. Lionel's latest B&O USRA > light Pacific is an excellent model of what was the real thing down to the > correct cab number. Construction is excellent. All add-on details are fashioned

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47282	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Unscientific Poll - Are You Pleased With Your Steam Locomo..

Nice, now give us a link to the poll......Where is it? Steve Boise In a message dated 02/08/2008 12:18:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Based on comments, I have prepared a new poll to get an idea of how we feel about our AFL, American Models and SHS steam locomotives. Please vote based on your level of satisfaction (Pleased, Neutral or Displeased) for each steam locomotive you own. Multiple votes are allowed so if you have more than one steam locomotive and they fall into different categories then vote once for each one! I apologize in advance for the order of possible responses. For some reason when I submitted the poll the responses were placed in somewhat random order rather than grouped by type. Each of the 8 types of locomotives has 3 choices somewhere in the list. If you have not already voted in the AFL steam locomotive poll it is still open for your vote. Thank you in advance for your input. BG1 **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47283	From: John Simms	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: I bought one

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47284	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Unscientific Poll - Are You Pleased With Your Steam Locomo..

Hi Steve, The polls are in the links window just to the left of this message screen - lol. Or you can use this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/polls BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Nice, now give us a link to the poll......Where is it? > > Steve > Boise > > > In a message dated 02/08/2008 12:18:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > bull_gator_1@... writes: > > > > > Based on comments, I have prepared a new poll to get an idea of how we > feel about our AFL, American Models and SHS steam locomotives. Please > vote based on your level of satisfaction (Pleased, Neutral or > Displeased) for each steam locomotive you own. Multiple votes are > allowed so if you have more than one steam locomotive and they fall > into different categories then vote once for each one! > > I apologize in advance for the order of possible responses. For some > reason when I submitted the poll the responses were placed in somewhat > random order rather than grouped by type. Each of the 8 types of > locomotives has 3 choices somewhere in the list. > > If you have not already voted in the AFL steam locomotive poll it is > still open for your vote. > > Thank you in advance for your input. > > BG1 > > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47285	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: AM steam locos

----- Original Message ----- From: rbubeck327@... . . . . . . . . . AM has three [steam types], . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > Or four, it depends on what "steam types" means. If wheel arrangement, then three. But there's a world of difference in appearance between AM's basic pacific and AM's PRR Streamlined K4. http://www.americanmodels.com/locos/k-4.html , though both are of course 4-6-2s Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47286	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: AM steam locos

Tom, You are correct but I ran out of poll choices so I lumped the AM basic and streamlined Pacifics together. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rbubeck327@... > . . . . . . . . . AM has three [steam types], . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > Or four, it depends on what "steam types" means. If wheel arrangement, then > three. But there's a world of difference in appearance between AM's basic > pacific and AM's PRR Streamlined K4. > http://www.americanmodels.com/locos/k-4.html , though both are of course > 4-6-2s > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47287	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????

Train looks and sound great. Thanks for sharing. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 2/8/2008 1:53:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, pndunlop@... writes: List; Ok, I just wanted to let you in on fun things you can do with your trains, especially the iron from SHS! And I've even got pictures!!! Current projects in work in my garage; -Coversion of ALL my rolling stock to SHS trucks (they roll FINE!!) -Convert all couplers to Kadee -Coversion of ALL my motive power to DCC, this will take awhile, but I'm well down the road Most recently, I put LokSound in my F3 A unit, 10 minutes, no kidding! I added a jumper under the SHS plug board to link Aux 3 of the decoder over to the number boards, also a standby jumper in case I want to add marker lights (maybe those 3 way markers, ala F7?) To finish it off, it got a Bass Reflex speaker, and trust me, you can hear the difference. Then the B units got the same treatment. Lastly, I took every piece of rolling stock I had converted, hooked em up, and let er rip! If you want to view the result in moving pictures, heres a link on youtube: _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzWPccb1F6s) If you want to see a couple pics of the units shell off, there is a new photo album on this group labeled, "SHS F3 DCC conversion" Check it out. some questions may be running through your mind, like, "how did he do the staggered starts?", "how many cars is that?", "How come each unit engine sounds slightly different?", "Is that little speaker making all that rich sound?" --- and you may have more,,,, ask away! Personally, this is the most fun I've had with my trains since I was 12!!!! cheers phil d

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47288	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: New Stuff

Hi all, Started looking at other pages in the L catalog. HMMM! The Maiden Rescue is back; the figures are more S than O, IMHO, and what a fun thing to have! Also the revolving beacon and, although rather pricey, the gantry magnetic crane. The infared train detector might be adaptable too. Good thing the Gov't is handing out "free money" I think I've figured out how to afford my train habit this year!! Or, I could pay off some of my steamboatin' debt. . . . .. NAH, gotta keep the economy going! :) OK, AM, the gauntlet has been laid--- PSSST--Cab Forward, Cab Forward Cab Forward. . . . S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47289	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the new Lionel Pacific - Digest Number 3954

Jeff, The catalog illustration is incorrect -- not an uncommon occurrence.;-) The actual as-delivered model IS CORRECT with the headlight and bell placement all true blue B&O. The new Mikados and Pacifics have been done very close to their respective prototypes and (real) cab numbers for each railroad. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/8/2008 3:44:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Except I wonder why they put a center headlight on the B&O Version. They could have just used the smokebox front and headlight from the B&O 2-8-2 which was correct. Duh.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47290	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy $635!!!

Try $635 on for size: http://www.justrains.com/lio2008VolumeI.htm frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: Check it out http://www.trainworld.com/lionel_2008_vol.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47291	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the new Lionel Pacific - Digest Number 3954

Thanks, very interesting. Jeff ________________________________ > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > From: rbubeck327@... > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:03:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What is the new Lionel Pacific - Digest Number 3954 > > > Jeff, > > The catalog illustration is incorrect -- not an uncommon occurrence.;-) The > actual as-delivered model IS CORRECT with the headlight and bell placement > all true blue B&O. > > The new Mikados and Pacifics have been done very close to their respective > prototypes and (real) cab numbers for each railroad. > > Bob Bubeck > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2008 3:44:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Except I wonder why they put a center headlight on the B&O Version. They > could have just used the smokebox front and headlight from the B&O 2-8-2 which > was correct. Duh. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47292	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: What is the new Lionel Pacific - Digest Number 3954

Robert Graves has pictures of my B&O pacific at his web site. Go to: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Pacific3.html and scroll down, you will see my Alton pacific and the B&O MK --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote: > > Jeff, > > The catalog illustration is incorrect -- not an uncommon occurrence.;-) The > actual as-delivered model IS CORRECT with the headlight and bell placement > all true blue B&O. > > The new Mikados and Pacifics have been done very close to their respective > prototypes and (real) cab numbers for each railroad. > > Bob Bubeck > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2008 3:44:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Except I wonder why they put a center headlight on the B&O Version. They > could have just used the smokebox front and headlight from the B&O 2-8-2 which > was correct. Duh. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47293	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Electric RR products listed in Lionel catalog

Page 179 has TMCC upgrades from ERR listed in the lionel catalog. Hard for me to believe that they would block the installation of these in SHS factory locos.... I think it is time to pose the question again about TMCC in SHS.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47294	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Stuff

Hi David, I use the Lionel infrared train detector on my layout to power a common section of rail that serves two separate loops. It works well and you can set the length of time the trip remains tripped. Overall a very nice item. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > Started looking at other pages in the L catalog. HMMM! The Maiden Rescue is back; the figures are more S than O, IMHO, and what a fun thing to have! Also the revolving beacon and, although rather pricey, the gantry magnetic crane. The infared train detector might be adaptable too. > Good thing the Gov't is handing out "free money" I think I've figured out how to afford my train habit this year!! Or, I could pay off some of my steamboatin' debt. . . . .. NAH, gotta keep the economy going! :) > OK, AM, the gauntlet has been laid--- PSSST--Cab Forward, Cab Forward Cab Forward. . . . > S' > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47295	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Four Gilbert & four Flyonel cars for sale

Let me know if you're interested. I plan to list them on ebay Sunday Feb 10. catalog# description condition asking 9701 The Rock Boxcar LN no box $ 19.00 48301 D&RGW Boxcar LN no box $ 27.00 9300 Burlington Gondola LN no box $ 17.00 734 AFL Tuscan Operating boxcar Ex $ 170.00 976 Operating stock car Ex $ 60.00 660 chrome combination car VG $ 67.50 916 D&H Gondola (no canisters) Ex $ 15.00 48702 Wabash Caboose NIB $ 33.00 Note: that 734 is not the common one; this is the hard-to-find version lettered "American Flyer Lines" made only in 1954. Large pictures are online: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html Bob --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47296	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Unscientific Poll - Are You Pleased With Your Steam Lo...

Interesting, but nothing to the left of this message except the edge of the message.... Thanks for the link. I voted Steve Boise In a message dated 02/08/2008 2:00:39 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Hi Steve, The polls are in the links window just to the left of this message screen - lol. Or you can use this link: _http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http:_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/polls) **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47297	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?

I have been told numerous times by my family I was born 30-40 years too late. I should have been a child of the forties or fifties because I like most anything "old" from the Corvair van and truck that I drive to my farmhouse to my toy trains. As for regulations on voltage and all of the safety measures we take today, I think we as a society go way overboard. Forty-fifty years ago if a kid was playing with something of questionable voltage or with a toy motor that...GASP...had no cover and gears exposed, he was told to be cautious by loving parents and if he did get mildly shocked or cut or his fingers pinched, he learned from that experience and learned not to do it again, as well. Today we have made everything so safe, the human race is stupified by it all. Common sense is no longer, and people sue over the smallest incidence. If people would take responsibility for themselves and their family, things would be a lot cooler today. Were things unsafe back then? I guess they were if used incorrectly or without supervision. But again, at least kiddoes learned from experience and that they took with them for a lifetime. Personally I will take an old toy train over the modern marvels any day of the week and twice on Sunday (I am considering a Lionel Big Boy...but that is another thread altogether!). Oh, yeah, and I also use fifty year-old transformers on my main layout (AF 19 and 30 B, Lionel ZW, and AF 12B and Lionel RW for the Christmas layouts). All with new cords and well-checked-out, of course. They work fine. You just have to have a clue, not overload them, and remember to unplug them when your operating session is over. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47298	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?

It should work fine with an 18B. Any transformer limit voltage for kids? <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/47257;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZXE5NWQ5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0NzI1NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMjAyNDQ3Mzc5> Posted by: "jhl1963" jhl1963@... <mailto:jhl1963@...?Subject=%20Re%3AAny%20transformer%20limit%20voltage%20for%20kids%3F> jhl1963 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/jhl1963> Thu Feb 7, 2008 9:09 pm (PST) Thanks - what a great idea! I assume this shouldnt harm an original 18B at all? Thanks, Jordan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47299	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Lionel B&O Pacific ?

So apparantly the B&O Pacific is Lionel #48061. Does anyone know if the prototype is the B&O P-Series? A P-7 perhaps? Or is it some another USRA version? Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47300	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy $635!!!

Thats the best so far Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: Try $635 on for size: http://www.justrains.com/lio2008VolumeI.htm frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: Check it out http://www.trainworld.com/lionel_2008_vol.htm --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47301	From: Phil K	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?

Those were the days before attorneys made people aware of the fact that thanks to our current tort laws if they got a mild shock or had their finger pinched they could hit the jackpot and become overnight millionaires. With the attorney getting about a third of the award. The same folks who used the court system to educate the world that a cup of "hot coffee" might actually be hot, and if spilled on your leg, might cause a burn. I learn something new every day. Phil K - In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben and Lynn Stiles" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > I have been told numerous times by my family I was born 30-40 years too late. I should have been a child of the forties or fifties because I like most anything "old" from the Corvair van and truck that I drive to my farmhouse to my toy trains. > > As for regulations on voltage and all of the safety measures we take today, I think we as a society go way overboard. Forty-fifty years ago if a kid was playing with something of questionable voltage or with a toy motor that...GASP...had no cover and gears exposed, he was told to be cautious by loving parents and if he did get mildly shocked or cut or his fingers pinched, he learned from that experience and learned not to do it again, as well. Today we have made everything so safe, the human race is stupified by it all. Common sense is no longer, and people sue over the smallest incidence. > > If people would take responsibility for themselves and their family, things would be a lot cooler today. Were things unsafe back then? I guess they were if used incorrectly or without supervision. But again, at least kiddoes learned from experience and that they took with them for a lifetime. Personally I will take an old toy train over the modern marvels any day of the week and twice on Sunday (I am considering a Lionel Big Boy...but that is another thread altogether!). > > Oh, yeah, and I also use fifty year-old transformers on my main layout (AF 19 and 30 B, Lionel ZW, and AF 12B and Lionel RW for the Christmas layouts). All with new cords and well-checked-out, of course. They work fine. You just have to have a clue, not overload them, and remember to unplug them when your operating session is over. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47302	From: Timboy	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????

Hi Phil, I think that's great how they each start up in turn! Cool! I always did like the look of the B&O paint scheme. I also like that you have two B units trailing an A unit. I'm in the process of collecting insulated non-pulmor diesel drive wheels so I can cobble together an Alco ABBB unit with all-wheel electrical pick-ups. I figure - just like real RR's - that if you want to tow more & heavier cars, add another powered B unit or three. I haven't decided on a paint scheme. I like both the MoPac & the Santa Fe, but I won't be able to do both. <sigh> Decisions. Decisions. Great job, Phil! OBTW, Phil - when are you going to get them to smoke - or is that the part when you burn out a 25 cent light bulb as someone was worried about in a recent conversion of yours! Heheheheheheheh. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47303	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Unscientific Poll - Are You Pleased With Your Steam Lo...

Steve, Just to the left of the message on my Groups display is a box with the following links: • Home • Messages • Post • Files • Photos • Links • Database • Polls • Members • Calendar • Promote I just assumed the webpage was the same for everyone. Very interesting indeed!!! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Interesting, but nothing to the left of this message except the edge of the > message.... > Thanks for the link. I voted > Steve > Boise > > > In a message dated 02/08/2008 2:00:39 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > bull_gator_1@... writes: > > > > > Hi Steve, > > The polls are in the links window just to the left of this message > screen - lol. Or you can use this link: > > _http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http:_ > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/polls) > > > > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47304	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????

Tim, Some of the early AF Bunits, the Alco B units, had a motor chassis, with or with out gears in place that allow for dual powered B units just as a dual powered A unit...and most of those units had a almost scale like brass wheel.....Are you going to be using DC, so you have some flexibility and not have to lock reversing units into a single position....also watch out the dual AF motors draw about 4 amps for the pair, so you start hitting 12 to 16 amps there real quick...you might want to give a great deal of consideration to the diesel can motor conversions and draw far less amperage.....If you are going to run several units together the all wheel pickup is not so very important mainly on DC with everything going the same direction several units will push or drag a unit over a dead spot. And in the quest for power don't forget that trailing A unit and keep it in the consist so the whole mess doesn't have to be turned around to take a train back in the direction from which it came. While not with the Alco's so much, but with the GP units I noticed at some point Flyonel turned the power truck around from what AF had it positioned, so if you don't do the all wheel pickup you need to watch mixing some of the power trucks if any of the Flyonel power trucks are involved...that little fact is sort of important should you use a Flyonel power truck and put on a AF side frame set with the sliding contact and suddenly with the switched wheel locations it is a dead short in the one truck..... gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ?????? Hi Phil, I think that's great how they each start up in turn! Cool! I always did like the look of the B&O paint scheme. I also like that you have two B units trailing an A unit. I'm in the process of collecting insulated non-pulmor diesel drive wheels so I can cobble together an Alco ABBB unit with all-wheel electrical pick-ups. I figure - just like real RR's - that if you want to tow more & heavier cars, add another powered B unit or three. I haven't decided on a paint scheme. I like both the MoPac & the Santa Fe, but I won't be able to do both. <sigh> Decisions. Decisions. Great job, Phil! OBTW, Phil - when are you going to get them to smoke - or is that the part when you burn out a 25 cent light bulb as someone was worried about in a recent conversion of yours! Heheheheheheheh. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47305	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel B&O Pacific ?

The B&O USRA Pacifics were P-5s, These were not the more famous P7s President class, but they were used all over the system. Jeff To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: albaker33@...: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:18:47 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel B&O Pacific ? So apparantly the B&O Pacific is Lionel #48061. Does anyone know if the prototype is the B&O P-Series? A P-7 perhaps? Or is it some another USRA version?Al BakerPortland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47306	From: Timboy	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????

Hi Gale, Since my RR is DCC powered by a 10 amp Lenz system, I have swapped out all open frame motors for DC can motors and am installing all Loksound v3.5 decoders on all of my vintage motive power. My goal is to eliminate all pick-up shoes from all locos - diesel or otherwise. To accomplish this, I have re-invented a system of wheel wipers and am installing them on all diesels. No diesel in my roster will have traction or Pulmor drive wheels (although all steamers will), so all wheels will be electrically active and therefore contribute to the all-wheel pick-up system. It may have been mentioned before that all- wheel pick-up is not a new idea. However, it is still an outstanding idea and IMHO, a gold standard. Thus, without the use of traction drive wheels on diesels, there is a need to weight all units with lead or steel as much as possible and to combine more powered units (A's or B's) lashed-up for greater pulling power. Also essential in my scheme is the need to re-truck all vintage Flyer rolling stock with S-Helper trucks, so they roll marvelously. Pretty much, my goal is to make all my trains run as well as S-Helper trains. I will, of course, fall somewhat short. However, even if I achieve a 90% improvement towards that end, I will consider it a total success. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47307	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy $635!!!

Our experience has been that one cannot usually beat JusTrains' prices. They are a volume dealer, knowledgeable about trains, and located in a convenient place (for example, they go to MTH to pick up their train orders, so do not pay the delivery charge from MTH.) We got our MTH Standard Gauge B & O passenger set there for hundreds less than anyone else could offer. $635 is starting to sound better for the old Big Boy... Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47308	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?

I wonder if a replacement bellows is still available? What type of matterial was it made out of? I had a 1946 when I was young (before going to kindergarten) but mom got rid of it with me going to visit Uncle Sam. I did not check what I have in what I bought, will have to do that. _____________________________________________________________ Get the perfect student credit card by clicking now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mIROHkEa91UBKhUOPMPJ6lvGtln4vVMUdYmXQWZCkPDQKpF/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47309	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????

Tim; There you go,,, another challenge! I thought about smoke, easy to do,,, but nobody has figured out a dark smoke yet,,,, but I was thinking of a smoke unit in each loco just for start up, kicking out white'ish smoke and then going off. heh heh,,, another item to investigate. As to your ABBB,,, me no likey,,, I have to have something that's superior to your stuff,,, don't I??? Well,,, I got electronic smoke and you don't. hahahahahah Maybe that would make us even. Of course your layout is super and mine is kludgy,,, nope,,, you can't have a ABBB I gotta get more cars converted though. I'm amazed nobody has asked any obvious questions. Oh well. cheers my friend phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote: > > Hi Phil, > > I think that's great how they each start up in turn! Cool! I always > did like the look of the B&O paint scheme. I also like that you have > two B units trailing an A unit. I'm in the process of collecting > insulated non-pulmor diesel drive wheels so I can cobble together an > Alco ABBB unit with all-wheel electrical pick-ups. I figure - just > like real RR's - that if you want to tow more & heavier cars, add > another powered B unit or three. I haven't decided on a paint scheme. > I like both the MoPac & the Santa Fe, but I won't be able to do both. > <sigh> Decisions. Decisions. > > Great job, Phil! > > OBTW, Phil - when are you going to get them to smoke - or is that the > part when you burn out a 25 cent light bulb as someone was worried > about in a recent conversion of yours! Heheheheheheheh. > > S-Happens! > Tim Brown >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47310	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SHS F3 ABB conversion to DCC -- You wanna have some FUN ??????

Earl; Thank you, I appreciate your comments. phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > Train looks and sound great. Thanks for sharing. - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > In a message dated 2/8/2008 1:53:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, > pndunlop@... writes: > > > > > List; > > Ok, I just wanted to let you in on fun things you can do with your > trains, especially the iron from SHS! And I've even got pictures!!! > > Current projects in work in my garage; > > -Coversion of ALL my rolling stock to SHS trucks (they roll FINE!!) > > -Convert all couplers to Kadee > > -Coversion of ALL my motive power to DCC, this will take awhile, but > I'm well down the road > > Most recently, I put LokSound in my F3 A unit, 10 minutes, no > kidding! I added a jumper under the SHS plug board to link Aux 3 of > the decoder over to the number boards, also a standby jumper in case > I want to add marker lights (maybe those 3 way markers, ala F7?) To > finish it off, it got a Bass Reflex speaker, and trust me, you can > hear the difference. > > Then the B units got the same treatment. > > Lastly, I took every piece of rolling stock I had converted, hooked > em up, and let er rip! > > If you want to view the result in moving pictures, heres a link on > youtube: > > _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_ > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzWPccb1F6s) > > If you want to see a couple pics of the units shell off, there is a > new > photo album on this group labeled, "SHS F3 DCC conversion" Check it > out. > > some questions may be running through your mind, like, "how did he do > the staggered starts?", "how many cars is that?", "How come each unit > engine sounds slightly different?", "Is that little speaker making > all > that rich sound?" --- and you may have more,,,, ask away! > > Personally, this is the most fun I've had with my trains since I was > 12!!!! > > cheers > phil d >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47311	From: miken9guy	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: SHelperService & AmericanModels catalogs

are they available and how could I get one sent to me?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47312	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: More video

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47313	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Sinclair Oil Corporation: Sinclair History Inquiry -- reme

I recall the company had a dinosaur Dino was his name. I remember he was a cartoon. And he 'retired' and went to a little swamp in Florida he went to. could have been the 60's. And My Uncle Will Lee was a retired Sinclair delivery Driver. and retired to Fort Lauderdale. maybe 1958. I was in high school. _____________________________________________________________ Click to find information on your credit score and your credit report. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m2PZhrLVCTGjYCRH8G9uXinfH5A3FepLCcEmXbIQEiq30F9/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47314	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Info needed on restoring trains

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47315	From: chudgr@earthlink.net	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?

Phil, Bullseye.....no words could be more true! Unfortunately, we have the same mentality controlling and running our government! What chance do "we the people" have to correct/improve our system? Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... >Re: Any transformer limit voltage for kids? >Posted by: "Phil K" waldootten@... waldootten >Fri Feb 8, 2008 4:27 pm (PST) >Those were the days before attorneys made people aware of the fact >that thanks to our current tort laws if they got a mild shock or had >their finger pinched they could hit the jackpot and become overnight >millionaires. With the attorney getting about a third of the award. >The same folks who used the court system to educate the world that a cup of "hot coffee" might actually be hot, and if spilled on your leg, might cause a burn. >I learn something new every day. >Phil K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47316	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?

Bellows material is available from Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies a very good friend to this group. Good luck in your restoration, Larry Moore http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47317	From: John Degnan	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Fw: [RPM-forum] Free Downloadable Scale Vehicle License Plates

I am forwarding this post from the RPM Forum Yahoo Group : ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Lee <Randy@...> To: RPM-forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: February 09, 2008 11:54 AM Subject: [RPM-forum] Free Downloadable Scale Vehicle License Plates For all of you detail conscious modelers, I have posted downloadable scale license plates in HO, S and O scale in PDF form on my website. While most are for Colorado (1958), other years and states are also included. Just click on the What's New link at: http://www.highlandsstationllc.com/ If you want to build your own, a good place to start is at: http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/licensemaker.cgi?text=&state=North+Caro\lina&r=1322794936 This site offers many blank plates from different years for all US states and Canadian provinces. Although you can add numbers, the fonts and font colors are more generic in nature and not completely accurate. If the state you want to do had things like vertically stacked letters or numbers to indicate county (as Colorado did in 1958), you can't replicate this with the Acme plate maker. Since I wanted accurate lettering I scrounged around on eBay to find images of actual plates that were for sale. When I found ones that were suitable, I used and rearranged numbers to make plates with different numbers. Since I'm modeling Colorado, circa 1958, the preponderance of plates are for that year and state. Most of the rest are also 1958, but from other states. After all, tourism has always been big out here. You can certainly do the same thing I did if you want to do the work yourself...or you can benefit from my efforts, the choice is yours. Randy Lee Stationmaster Highlands Station [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47318	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: For the Lemax "Spooky Town" lovers

I've found a new train station for my Fall/Halloween layout. Lemax has a new item for 2008, the Phantom Station. Check it out: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_002/bassflyer/bassflyer_006/85661.jpg.html I'm starting to save my pennies. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47319	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Links on Left

Those of us who get the posts by email, rather than reading them at the website, don't have the links on the left. Anybody have any idea how many members get the posts via email? - Bruce Willis --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Steve, > > Just to the left of the message on my Groups display is a box with > the following links: > > • Home > • Messages > • Post > • Files > • Photos > • Links > • Database > • Polls > • Members > • Calendar > > • Promote > > I just assumed the webpage was the same for everyone. Very > interesting indeed!!! > > BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47320	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: order

Mike, What track are you going to use with the upcoming roadbed order? gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Hi Gale, I knew you probably meant that I got the email from them, but I wasn't sure. LOL Thanks for the first email and the good luck with the roadbed and foot. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Mike, I am just thrilled you got an email from them,,,,,, S is for sometime....Sometime S is for soon........and sometime S is for standfast....S is also for wait, oops w is for wait. Good luck with the roadbed and better than good luck with the toe.. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Gale, Either you are overwhelmed with my news of what is going on with the roadbed or sick of my reports on my roadbed and sinking town with out rail traffic. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] order Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order Hi, I got this email today about the roadbed. It seems they ran out of product which can happen. They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the material back in around Feb. 25. I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like what I see in the sample I have. And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot that was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the second try at it. Other side of the toe, this time. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marmer, Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to make your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been back-ordered until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the materials we will need to do the final processing and curing. After that it can be sliced into the different thickness' to make roadbed. It looks like it will not be until the week of February 25th before your order can be processed and shipped. I apologize for delaying your layout project, but at this point it is out of our hands. The only orders being processed at this time are part numbers using the 1/8" and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to continue to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. Your layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. Best Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@...> Hi, I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. Thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marner, We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47321	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Links on Left

Here's an old poll on the subject. Not many voters though. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=2188630 Rick. On Feb 9, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Bruce D. Willis wrote: > Those of us who get the posts by email, rather than reading them at > the website, don't have the links on the left. Anybody have any idea > how many members get the posts via email? > - Bruce Willis > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47322	From: Phil K	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Links on Left

I wasn't about to seach through all 1375+ members individually. (Moderators have access to this area.) But a random sampling shows about 20-22 percent get the individual emails. I'd say another 5-7 percent subscribe to the Daily Digest. A very, very few are set up to get "Special Notices" -- which I'm not sure has even been used -- if so, rarely. The rest apparently work off the main Yahoo page. Hope this answers your question. Phil K ================================================================= --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> wrote: > > Those of us who get the posts by email, rather than reading them at > the website, don't have the links on the left. Anybody have any idea > how many members get the posts via email? > - Bruce Willis > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> > wrote: > > > > Steve, > > > > Just to the left of the message on my Groups display is a box with > > the following links: > > > > • Home > > • Messages > > • Post > > • Files > > • Photos > > • Links > > • Database > > • Polls > > • Members > > • Calendar > > > > • Promote > > > > I just assumed the webpage was the same for everyone. Very > > interesting indeed!!! > > > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47323	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47324	From: JeryJones3@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Visit an S Layout

All Aboard!! The Nauset Model Railroad Club layouts including the 14 x 34 "S" Hirail layout are alive and well. We are in the train room on Friday nights from 7 to 9. Our business meeting is the first Friday night of the month. All are welcome to come in and enjoy the trains. We are located on Route 6A under the Hill Top Plaza. Anyone visiting Cape Cod and would like to visit us and can't make the Friday nights just give me a call. The name is in the Book: Roy E. Jones III During the summer we will also be hoding an open house on Wednesday night. Come Aboard!! **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47325	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: order

Gale, I am using American S Classic which can be seen at www.classictrains.com Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Mike, What track are you going to use with the upcoming roadbed order? gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Hi Gale, I knew you probably meant that I got the email from them, but I wasn't sure. LOL Thanks for the first email and the good luck with the roadbed and foot. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Mike, I am just thrilled you got an email from them,,,,,, S is for sometime....Sometime S is for soon........and sometime S is for standfast....S is also for wait, oops w is for wait. Good luck with the roadbed and better than good luck with the toe.. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Gale, Either you are overwhelmed with my news of what is going on with the roadbed or sick of my reports on my roadbed and sinking town with out rail traffic. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] order Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order Hi, I got this email today about the roadbed. It seems they ran out of product which can happen. They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the material back in around Feb. 25. I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like what I see in the sample I have. And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot that was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the second try at it. Other side of the toe, this time. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marmer, Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to make your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been back-ordered until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the materials we will need to do the final processing and curing. After that it can be sliced into the different thickness' to make roadbed. It looks like it will not be until the week of February 25th before your order can be processed and shipped. I apologize for delaying your layout project, but at this point it is out of our hands. The only orders being processed at this time are part numbers using the 1/8" and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to continue to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. Your layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. Best Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@...> Hi, I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. Thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marner, We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! Sincerely Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm To: <Vinylbed@...> Hi, I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S scale roadbed. I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you received the letter. Thank you, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47326	From: Trains	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: For the Lemax "Spooky Town" lovers

Wonder if you would be interested in an S scaled haunted house by Pyro..formerly an Aroura kit. It is new in original box, "clear" plastic (paintable) with flourescent spook figures (blacklight). It is an old delapedated mansard roof victorian style house. I'm sure you have seen pictures of it. I paid over $20 for it. Would like $20+5 for S&H. I could send you some digital photos if you are wanting this item. Thanks, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] For the Lemax "Spooky Town" lovers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47327	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: old Email poll

Although the voting was low, the poll shows that more people read the posts by email instead of going to the site. But less then 100 voted! Rick. > > > But a random sampling shows about 20-22 percent get the individual > emails. I'd say another 5-7 percent subscribe to the Daily Digest. A > very, very few are set up to get "Special Notices" -- which I'm not > sure has even been used -- if so, rarely. > > > ================================================================= > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> > wrote: >> >> Those of us who get the posts by email, rather than reading them > at >> the website, don't have the links on the left. Anybody have any > idea >> how many members get the posts via email? >> - Bruce Willis >> >> >> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> Just to the left of the message on my Groups display is a box > with >>> the following links: >>> >>> • Home >>> • Messages >>> • Post >>> • Files >>> • Photos >>> • Links >>> • Database >>> • Polls >>> • Members >>> • Calendar >>> >>> • Promote >>> >>> I just assumed the webpage was the same for everyone. Very >>> interesting indeed!!! >>> >>> BG1 >> > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47328	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SHelperService & AmericanModels catalogs

Dear Mike, You can either down load our SHS 32 page full color catalog on our website of go to our link below to order one. Best regards, Don http://www.showcaseline.com/Catalogs/catalogs.html miken9guy wrote: > are they available and how could I get one sent to me? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47329	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} looking for decals

----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S Scale List Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: {S-Scale List} looking for decals Morning list, Does anyone happen to have any of the G&W Burlington Northern diesel decal sets that they might trade or sell? It should be, well Herald King called it L-410.....so whatever prefix Walt used I think he kept the number the same. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1266 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 10:06 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47330	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?

The smartest and probably easiest thing to do is replace the cloth bellows with the aftermarket chamber and pioston kit. If you want to make your own cloth bellows, the fabric of an old umbrella can't be beat. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/09/2008 12:58:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, n9guy@... writes: I wonder if a replacement bellows is still available? What type of matterial was it made out of? I had a 1946 when I was young (before going to kindergarten) but mom got rid of it with me going to visit Uncle Sam. I did not check what I have in what I bought, will have to do that. _____________________________________________________________ Get the perfect student credit card by clicking now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mIROHkEa91UBKhUOPMPJ6lvGtln 4vVMUdYmXQWZCkPDQKpF/ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47331	From: roy inman	Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: order

Mike, Now that you have used the American Classic turnouts for a while, are you still as pleased with their performance as when you first reported? I am particularly interested in how various manufacturers equipment negotiates them: AF, SHS, AM, etc. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:48:07 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Gale, I am using American S Classic which can be seen at www.classictrains.com Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Mike, What track are you going to use with the upcoming roadbed order? gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Hi Gale, I knew you probably meant that I got the email from them, but I wasn't sure. LOL Thanks for the first email and the good luck with the roadbed and foot. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Mike, I am just thrilled you got an email from them,,,,,, S is for sometime....Sometime S is for soon........and sometime S is for standfast....S is also for wait, oops w is for wait. Good luck with the roadbed and better than good luck with the toe.. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Gale, Either you are overwhelmed with my news of what is going on with the roadbed or sick of my reports on my roadbed and sinking town with out rail traffic. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] order Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order Hi, I got this email today about the roadbed. It seems they ran out of product which can happen. They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the material back in around Feb. 25. I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like what I see in the sample I have. And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot that was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the second try at it. Other side of the toe, this time. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marmer, Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to make your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been back-ordered until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the materials we will need to do the final processing and curing. After that it can be sliced into the different thickness' to make roadbed. It looks like it will not be until the week of February 25th before your order can be processed and shipped. I apologize for delaying your layout project, but at this point it is out of our hands. The only orders being processed at this time are part numbers using the 1/8" and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to continue to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. Your layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. Best Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... <mailto:Joann%40HobbyInnovations.com> www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@... <mailto:Sales%40HobbyInnovations.com> > Hi, I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. Thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marner, We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! Sincerely Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... <mailto:Joann%40HobbyInnovations.com> www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm To: <Vinylbed@... <mailto:Vinylbed%40mounet.com> > Hi, I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S scale roadbed. I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you received the letter. Thank you, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47332	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Visit an S Layout

We visited the Nauset Model Railroad Club several summers ago. We were biking on the Cape Cod Rail Trail, and I just happened to see a RR Crossing sign in a basement window of a store. We rode to it and found out it was a Model Railroad club. We did get to go see it in operation once we read the hours (and returned early from our ferry trip to Nantucket) the next day. It was a nice American Flyer layout and a wonderful HO layout at the time. Of special note was the lighthouse and dock scene. We also bought one of the club's HO boxcars with their logo on it. A wonderful group of guys...we look forward to venturing up again someday. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47333	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Non-S Gauge...AC Gilbert Science Set

I am sorry if this type of post is taboo on this list, and please slap my wrist if it is. I recently saw an AC Gilbert Science kit in its original metal box with microscope, slides, specimen jars, paper inserts, etc. I am not sure if it was 100% complete, but it looked to me as though most if it was probably there. The asking price was $30. Is that a good price for a piece of AC Gilbert history...to put along side all of my S gauge trains?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47334	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Non-S Gauge...AC Gilbert Science Set

The best way to determine the going price for anything is the same way the pawn shops do it - just go to eBay and search for completed listings for the item. Most of the hobby shops I visit also use eBay to set prices on AF items. It's an up to the minute pricing guide on all most anything you can name. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bstilesaf" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > I am sorry if this type of post is taboo on this list, and please slap > my wrist if it is. > > I recently saw an AC Gilbert Science kit in its original metal box > with microscope, slides, specimen jars, paper inserts, etc. I am not > sure if it was 100% complete, but it looked to me as though most if it > was probably there. > > The asking price was $30. Is that a good price for a piece of AC > Gilbert history...to put along side all of my S gauge trains? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47335	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Links on the left

Maybe it's my lack of understanding how many computer things work, or the fact that I get plenty of e-mail anyway. I read the posts here at the site. I didn't know you didn't get the links if you got these messages another way either. I've always just chosen to do it that way when I get into a new group. Actually, I enjoy coming here and reading everything once or a few times a day. If something doesn't interest me, I skip over it, but usually I read everything here. And the links are great, especially the PHOTOS section. Maybe if I ever learn more about computers I'll be able to what some others can do and I'll change my mind, but for now it's the best option for me. Stumpy Stone...better at bashing than computers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47336	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Non-S Gauge...AC Gilbert Science Set

Depends upon the size of the set and the condition. Two big factors in my collecting of these is the presence or absence of the instruction book(s)and the condition of the lithography on the metal box. $30 is reasonable to very good if everything is present and the lithography is in good shape. I am going to be selling several Gilbert microscope, chemistry and game sets in the near future (not enough space/ having downsized from a 6000 sq. ft. house to a 1800 sq. ft. house) anyone interested let me know off list. If you can post the specific model number or a photo can be more exact in the value. Bill Drake Windy but sunny and warm central Virginia. --- bstilesaf <lbstiles@...> wrote: > I am sorry if this type of post is taboo on this > list, and please slap > my wrist if it is. > > I recently saw an AC Gilbert Science kit in its > original metal box > with microscope, slides, specimen jars, paper > inserts, etc. I am not > sure if it was 100% complete, but it looked to me as > though most if it > was probably there. > > The asking price was $30. Is that a good price for a > piece of AC > Gilbert history...to put along side all of my S > gauge trains? > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47337	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?

I recommend a space age replacement bellows material. It is what is presently being used in the bellows for player pianos and the like. It is very lightweight and higly flexible. Best of all it only costs a dollar for all the materials that you need to repair a bellows unit. Sold exclusively by Joe's Train Repair. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47338	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: order

Roy, I have not had the switched hooked up yet, since I am waiting for the roadbed to go down. Then I can drill holes in the table for the wires. I will say that I have run a train with S Helper cars or Lionel AF converted over to S Helper wheels and the cars goes through the switches with no problems. Cars with Lionel AF wheels will not go through the switches and those wheels can not be moved on the axles. I have a box car that Rance brought to me and those wheels are fine too. At first the coupler was hitting the rail in crossing over, but I was able to tighten up the screw for the truck and it is fine now. I have run three different AF Hudson's through the switch and only on Hudson was having a slight bump through the switch, but not enough to derail it. Once I get everything going , I will be getting some S Helper Steam engines. I am sure they will through the switch fine. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Mike, Now that you have used the American Classic turnouts for a while, are you still as pleased with their performance as when you first reported? I am particularly interested in how various manufacturers equipment negotiates them: AF, SHS, AM, etc. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:48:07 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Gale, I am using American S Classic which can be seen at www.classictrains.com Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Mike, What track are you going to use with the upcoming roadbed order? gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Hi Gale, I knew you probably meant that I got the email from them, but I wasn't sure. LOL Thanks for the first email and the good luck with the roadbed and foot. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Mike, I am just thrilled you got an email from them,,,,,, S is for sometime....Sometime S is for soon........and sometime S is for standfast....S is also for wait, oops w is for wait. Good luck with the roadbed and better than good luck with the toe.. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order Gale, Either you are overwhelmed with my news of what is going on with the roadbed or sick of my reports on my roadbed and sinking town with out rail traffic. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] order Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order Hi, I got this email today about the roadbed. It seems they ran out of product which can happen. They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the material back in around Feb. 25. I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like what I see in the sample I have. And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot that was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the second try at it. Other side of the toe, this time. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marmer, Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to make your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been back-ordered until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the materials we will need to do the final processing and curing. After that it can be sliced into the different thickness' to make roadbed. It looks like it will not be until the week of February 25th before your order can be processed and shipped. I apologize for delaying your layout project, but at this point it is out of our hands. The only orders being processed at this time are part numbers using the 1/8" and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to continue to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. Your layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. Best Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... <mailto:Joann%40HobbyInnovations.com> www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@... <mailto:Sales%40HobbyInnovations.com> > Hi, I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. Thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marner, We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! Sincerely Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... <mailto:Joann%40HobbyInnovations.com> www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm To: <Vinylbed@... <mailto:Vinylbed%40mounet.com> > Hi, I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S scale roadbed. I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you received the letter. Thank you, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47339	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: order now ASG switches

Don't be surprised if you have some issues with SHS locomotives on some of your switches. I predict some of the switches will have the point catch on the flange of the wheel sets. When the switch does need tweaking, sharp flanges hang try to open the point and sometimes derail, blunt flanges climb over and derail, gauging doesn't solve this filing on the switch, tweaking the point does. This is normally only coming from a curve and taking the diverging route when entering the point. This is a minor tweak, and some switches are ok and some are not. The AF steamers were the most tolerant of the switch that has this issue. Where some of the af steamers are more problematic is they must be gauged fairly wide or when coming from a diverging route opposite the point the inside of the flange will contact the moveable frog on the inside and touch the closest rail and create a dead short that causes an arc divot in the rail. The worst offender here was my non-pullmore 302. I ended up gauging it at .835 (not back to back but tread width, if you go to http://www.nmra.org/beginner/wheelsets.html ) I am talking about B + 2T measurement. At this measurement it rarely has an issue. The ASG suggested dime method of gaugeing will not be right in this instance. The dime method is good for most AF rolling stock though. I have had minimal issues with properly gauged AF steam locos. More issues with Flyonel diesels as they have a more blunt flange. No issues with my properly gauged AF diesels. I sent an email to ASG wondering if they could give me some pointers, as I realize quality control and normal production variability can be an issue with something as complex as a switch. I don't know if their email is defective or what, but I got no reply from them and tried 3 times. (they do seem to respond if you place an order) Your experience may be different, but this was mine. I won't mention the name on the list, but I got some help making them work from one individual, and his experience confirms to me that the issues I had were in fact repeat issues and reasonably common occurrences. I don't want to blast ASG here as I to believe they have one of the better switch choices if you want more gradual turnouts than a #3. Just don't expect to plug them in, correct the gauge on all your rolling stock and locos and have them work flawlessly. One thing to watch for is the timing of the switch. The under rail contacts may arc and weld themselves in place causing the switch to not complete movement. If you keep the voltage up to the switch controller this is minimized, as you get a faster snap action but the higher voltage may cause one of the controller buttons to arc and stick and now you have a meltdown. I have thought about doing a full fledged review with pictures, but just haven't had the time since I bought the switches. I will say that once you have everything setup and all the filing and bending completed they do pass scale and Highrail fairly reliably. I don't have many scale wheel sets, but the ones I have do work. I can't say I can recommend buying their switch controllers. Any future switches I buy will be without controllers. MK --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Roy, > > I have not had the switched hooked up yet, since I am waiting for the roadbed to go down. Then I can drill holes in the table for the wires. > > I will say that I have run a train with S Helper cars or Lionel AF converted over to S Helper wheels and the cars goes through the switches with no problems. Cars with Lionel AF wheels will not go through the switches and those wheels can not be moved on the axles. > > I have a box car that Rance brought to me and those wheels are fine too. At first the coupler was hitting the rail in crossing over, but I was able to tighten up the screw for the truck and it is fine now. > > I have run three different AF Hudson's through the switch and only on Hudson was having a slight bump through the switch, but not enough to derail it. > > Once I get everything going , I will be getting some S Helper Steam engines. I am sure they will through the switch fine. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: roy inman > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:27 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > > Mike, > > Now that you have used the American Classic turnouts for a while, are you > still as pleased with their performance as when you first reported? I am > particularly interested in how various manufacturers equipment negotiates > them: AF, SHS, AM, etc. > > Cheers :) > > Roy Inman > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:48:07 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > Gale, > > I am using American S Classic which can be seen at www.classictrains.com > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gale Hall > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > Mike, > > What track are you going to use with the upcoming roadbed order? > > gale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > Hi Gale, > > I knew you probably meant that I got the email from them, but I wasn't sure. > LOL > > Thanks for the first email and the good luck with the roadbed and foot. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gale Hall > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > Mike, > > I am just thrilled you got an email from them,,,,,, > > S is for sometime....Sometime S is for soon........and sometime S is for > standfast....S is also for wait, oops w is for wait. > > Good luck with the roadbed and better than good luck with the toe.. > > gale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > Gale, > > Either you are overwhelmed with my news of what is going on with the roadbed > or sick of my reports on my roadbed and sinking town with out rail traffic. > > LOL > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gale Hall > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:43 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] order > > Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > gale hall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order > > Hi, > > I got this email today about the roadbed. > > It seems they ran out of product which can happen. > > They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the material back > in around Feb. 25. > > I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like what I > see in the sample I have. > > And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot that > was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the second try > at it. Other side of the toe, this time. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joann Sovia > To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM > Subject: RE: order > > Hello Mr. Marmer, > > Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to make > your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been back-ordered > until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the materials we will need to > do the final processing and curing. After that it can be sliced into the > different thickness' to make roadbed. It looks like it will not be until the > week of February 25th before your order can be processed and shipped. I > apologize for delaying your layout project, but at this point it is out of > our hands. The only orders being processed at this time are part numbers > using the 1/8" and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to > continue to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an > alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. Your > layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. > > Best Regards, > > Joann Sovia > Hobby Innovations > P.O. Box 676 > Mountain City TN 37683 > 423-727-8000 > Joann@... <mailto:Joann%40HobbyInnovations.com> > www.HobbyInnovations.com > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: order > From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > > Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm > To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@... > <mailto:Sales%40HobbyInnovations.com> > > > Hi, > > I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. > > Thank you. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joann Sovia > To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM > Subject: RE: order > > Hello Mr. Marner, > > We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order > process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an > email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. > > Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! > > Sincerely > > Joann Sovia > Hobby Innovations > P.O. Box 676 > Mountain City TN 37683 > 423-727-8000 > Joann@... <mailto:Joann%40HobbyInnovations.com> > www.HobbyInnovations.com > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: order > From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > > Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm > To: <Vinylbed@... <mailto:Vinylbed%40mounet.com> > > > Hi, > > I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S > scale roadbed. > > I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you > received the letter. > > Thank you, > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 > 11:17 AM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 > 11:17 AM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1266 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 > 10:06 AM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47340	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Emails or at the site?

Stumpy, I used to read the posts at the Yahoo site. Like you said, it was nice visiting the site and scrolling through the posts. BUT, then Yahoo started throwing ads in so you would have to click an extra time or two to get back to the page you were on, I hated it!! So I started getting the posts through my email. I don't think Yahoo does it any longer, seems I've gone back and read some posts at the site. Even so, I've stayed with reading them through my email. It was mentioned, I believe, that you can get individual emails or the daily digest. Of course you can visit the site anytime to view photos, polls, etc. whether you read posts there or through your email. Rick. On Feb 10, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Stumpy Stone wrote: > Maybe it's my lack of understanding how many computer things work, or > the fact that I get plenty of e-mail anyway. I read the posts here at > the site. > I didn't know you didn't get the links if you got these messages > another way either. I've always just chosen to do it that way when I > get into a new group. > Actually, I enjoy coming here and reading everything once or a few > times a day. If something doesn't interest me, I skip over it, but > usually I read everything here. And the links are great, especially > the > PHOTOS section. Maybe if I ever learn more about computers I'll be > able to what some others can do and I'll change my mind, but for now > it's the best option for me. > Stumpy Stone...better at bashing than computers. > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47341	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?

Hi Joe -- Is it suitable for passenger car diaphrams? Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ I recommend a space age replacement bellows material. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338

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Subject: Re: RE; Sinclair Oil

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47343	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: order now ASG switches

Thanks for you email about the switches. And what to do, if the SHS engines have a problem. I did run a Lionel older diesel through the switches and I did have a problem with it. As for the switch controller, they are aware of the problem of the sticking button. I receive a sample button and it works fine. They should be in for them soon for replacement at their expense, I believe. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertflyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: order now ASG switches Don't be surprised if you have some issues with SHS locomotives on some of your switches. I predict some of the switches will have the point catch on the flange of the wheel sets. When the switch does need tweaking, sharp flanges hang try to open the point and sometimes derail, blunt flanges climb over and derail, gauging doesn't solve this filing on the switch, tweaking the point does. This is normally only coming from a curve and taking the diverging route when entering the point. This is a minor tweak, and some switches are ok and some are not. The AF steamers were the most tolerant of the switch that has this issue. Where some of the af steamers are more problematic is they must be gauged fairly wide or when coming from a diverging route opposite the point the inside of the flange will contact the moveable frog on the inside and touch the closest rail and create a dead short that causes an arc divot in the rail. The worst offender here was my non-pullmore 302. I ended up gauging it at .835 (not back to back but tread width, if you go to http://www.nmra.org/beginner/wheelsets.html ) I am talking about B + 2T measurement. At this measurement it rarely has an issue. The ASG suggested dime method of gaugeing will not be right in this instance. The dime method is good for most AF rolling stock though. I have had minimal issues with properly gauged AF steam locos. More issues with Flyonel diesels as they have a more blunt flange. No issues with my properly gauged AF diesels. I sent an email to ASG wondering if they could give me some pointers, as I realize quality control and normal production variability can be an issue with something as complex as a switch. I don't know if their email is defective or what, but I got no reply from them and tried 3 times. (they do seem to respond if you place an order) Your experience may be different, but this was mine. I won't mention the name on the list, but I got some help making them work from one individual, and his experience confirms to me that the issues I had were in fact repeat issues and reasonably common occurrences. I don't want to blast ASG here as I to believe they have one of the better switch choices if you want more gradual turnouts than a #3. Just don't expect to plug them in, correct the gauge on all your rolling stock and locos and have them work flawlessly. One thing to watch for is the timing of the switch. The under rail contacts may arc and weld themselves in place causing the switch to not complete movement. If you keep the voltage up to the switch controller this is minimized, as you get a faster snap action but the higher voltage may cause one of the controller buttons to arc and stick and now you have a meltdown. I have thought about doing a full fledged review with pictures, but just haven't had the time since I bought the switches. I will say that once you have everything setup and all the filing and bending completed they do pass scale and Highrail fairly reliably. I don't have many scale wheel sets, but the ones I have do work. I can't say I can recommend buying their switch controllers. Any future switches I buy will be without controllers. MK --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Roy, > > I have not had the switched hooked up yet, since I am waiting for the roadbed to go down. Then I can drill holes in the table for the wires. > > I will say that I have run a train with S Helper cars or Lionel AF converted over to S Helper wheels and the cars goes through the switches with no problems. Cars with Lionel AF wheels will not go through the switches and those wheels can not be moved on the axles. > > I have a box car that Rance brought to me and those wheels are fine too. At first the coupler was hitting the rail in crossing over, but I was able to tighten up the screw for the truck and it is fine now. > > I have run three different AF Hudson's through the switch and only on Hudson was having a slight bump through the switch, but not enough to derail it. > > Once I get everything going , I will be getting some S Helper Steam engines. I am sure they will through the switch fine. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: roy inman > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:27 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > > Mike, > > Now that you have used the American Classic turnouts for a while, are you > still as pleased with their performance as when you first reported? I am > particularly interested in how various manufacturers equipment negotiates > them: AF, SHS, AM, etc. > > Cheers :) > > Roy Inman > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:48:07 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > Gale, > > I am using American S Classic which can be seen at www.classictrains.com > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gale Hall > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > Mike, > > What track are you going to use with the upcoming roadbed order? > > gale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > Hi Gale, > > I knew you probably meant that I got the email from them, but I wasn't sure. > LOL > > Thanks for the first email and the good luck with the roadbed and foot. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gale Hall > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > Mike, > > I am just thrilled you got an email from them,,,,,, > > S is for sometime....Sometime S is for soon........and sometime S is for > standfast....S is also for wait, oops w is for wait. > > Good luck with the roadbed and better than good luck with the toe.. > > gale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] order > > Gale, > > Either you are overwhelmed with my news of what is going on with the roadbed > or sick of my reports on my roadbed and sinking town with out rail traffic. > > LOL > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gale Hall > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:43 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] order > > Glory be!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > gale hall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:44 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order > > Hi, > > I got this email today about the roadbed. > > It seems they ran out of product which can happen. > > They offered a refund if I chose not to wait till they get the material back > in around Feb. 25. > > I will wait, as I have heard good things about the roadbed and I like what I > see in the sample I have. > > And I don't think I will be doing too much standing around with a foot that > was sliced open today to finally remove a nerve, as this is the second try > at it. Other side of the toe, this time. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joann Sovia > To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:57 PM > Subject: RE: order > > Hello Mr. Marmer, > > Unfortunately we have run short of the 1/4" materials from which to make > your roadbed. Raw scrap materials ordered in November have been back-ordered > until approximately 2/20/08. Once we receive the materials we will need to > do the final processing and curing. After that it can be sliced into the > different thickness' to make roadbed. It looks like it will not be until the > week of February 25th before your order can be processed and shipped. I > apologize for delaying your layout project, but at this point it is out of > our hands. The only orders being processed at this time are part numbers > using the 1/8" and 3/16" material. Please let me know if you would like to > continue to wait or if you would like a refund so you can proceed with an > alternative roadbed material. I hope that you will be able to wait. Your > layout will definitely be improved by using Vinylbed. > > Best Regards, > > Joann Sovia > Hobby Innovations > P.O. Box 676 > Mountain City TN 37683 > 423-727-8000 > Joann@... <mailto:Joann%40HobbyInnovations.com> > www.HobbyInnovations.com > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: order > From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > > Date: Tue, February 05, 2008 7:28 pm > To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@... > <mailto:Sales%40HobbyInnovations.com> > > > Hi, > > I am just checking to see when you think my order might be shipped. > > Thank you. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joann Sovia > To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:28 PM > Subject: RE: order > > Hello Mr. Marner, > > We received your order postmarked 1/2 on 1/7. Thank you! The normal order > process time is approximately 3 weeks from date of receipt. I will send an > email with the tracking information when your order has been shipped. > > Thank you for choosing Vinylbed! > > Sincerely > > Joann Sovia > Hobby Innovations > P.O. Box 676 > Mountain City TN 37683 > 423-727-8000 > Joann@... <mailto:Joann%40HobbyInnovations.com> > www.HobbyInnovations.com > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: order > From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > > Date: Thu, January 10, 2008 10:41 pm > To: <Vinylbed@... <mailto:Vinylbed%40mounet.com> > > > Hi, > > I just wanted to see if you got a check from me with a order for 1/4" S > scale roadbed. > > I know the check must clear first, but I just wanted to make you that you > received the letter. > > Thank you, > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 > 11:17 AM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 > 11:17 AM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1266 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 > 10:06 AM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47344	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: old Email poll

Hi Rick -- By the time I got to the poll it was closed! I get my correspondence through my email program... Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47345	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Umbrella fabric

Hi Steve -- Great tip. I think I will head for Goodwill to cannibalized an umbrella, but not for somke bellows -- passenger car diaphrams (full width)! Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ (65 and sunny) The smartest and probably easiest thing to do is replace the cloth bellows with the aftermarket chamber and pioston kit. If you want to make your own cloth bellows, the fabric of an old umbrella can't be beat. Steve SnS Trains Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47346	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 10, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47347	From: jt12313	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: S Helper Rock island sw 8 availability

As someone who will buy nearly anything in the blue Rock Island colors, I am wondering when the switcher will be available? Jeff TO. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47348	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Rock island sw 8 availability

Dear Jeff, The painted samples for our NW2s are due when I am in Hong Kong. I expect these late Spring and the SW8s 4 to 6 months later. Best, Don jt12313 wrote: > As someone who will buy nearly anything in the blue Rock Island > colors, I am wondering when the switcher will be available? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47349	From: Trains	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Baby Ruth Perma built kit

Are you someone who enjoys the older wood type kits or collects early S gauge? I have a very early Perma-Built Baby Ruth reefer kit FOR SALE in original box, unbuilt, untouched with instructions, all parts appear to be in the box, except no trucks or couplers. All appears to be in excellent condition. It is somewhat "crude" by todays standards..as the sides are painted/silkscreened on plain flat wood (not scribed sheathing or stamped sheetmetal). I want to emphasize that these are painted/silkscreened? sides on wood they are beautifull and nicely done. I would like $25.00 + 10.00 s&h (lower 48..Canada and elsewhere higher) Thanks. Peter .... Dr. K. Loeb, 319 Gordon Way, Grants Pass, OR 97527 541-471-8819 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47350	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: old Email poll - Polls are Still OPEN!

Hi Bill, Both steam loco polls are still open for at least another week. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scale S Only" <scalesonly@...> wrote: > > Hi Rick -- > > By the time I got to the poll it was closed! I get my correspondence > through my email program... > > Bill Winans > Prescott Valley, AZ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47351	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: old Email poll - Polls are Still OPEN!

This one won't count, as far as I am concerned. All my steam is brass... Have fun! Bill Winans Hi Bill, Both steam loco polls are still open for at least another week. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47352	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Umbrella fabric

Make sure it's a black one.......... In a message dated 02/10/2008 1:26:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, scalesonly@... writes: Hi Steve -- Great tip. I think I will head for Goodwill to cannibalized an umbrella, but not for somke bellows -- passenger car diaphrams (full width)! Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ (65 and sunny) **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47353	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Umbrella fabric

Silver, for UP, Mike in Or **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47354	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?

Bill, It probably would be. However, it is a deep purple in color, instead of being black. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47355	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?

Question about the bellows material. Wasn't it a rubberized cloth material? Harwood **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47356	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit

Past posts on the issue of LEDs as headlights seemed to focus on LED replacements in a bulb "package", but I didn't see much in the way of DYI direction. Perhaps this type of mod is too obvious to merit a lot of coverage (or is covered in other train groups) but, having recently given it a go, it occurred to me some basic guidance might answer some questions or provide encouragement to those who aren't so far along in "working" on their trains. So, posted in the Files section is the route I took. The file name is LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT.pdf . Hopefully it will prove of some value. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47357	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit

Steve, That is a very thorough and helpful article. I plan to give it a try. The essential idea of using a cork plug to replace the tooled, metal socket is brilliant. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of teeb_1 Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit Past posts on the issue of LEDs as headlights seemed to focus on LED replacements in a bulb "package", but I didn't see much in the way of DYI direction. Perhaps this type of mod is too obvious to merit a lot of coverage (or is covered in other train groups) but, having recently given it a go, it occurred to me some basic guidance might answer some questions or provide encouragement to those who aren't so far along in "working" on their trains. So, posted in the Files section is the route I took. The file name is LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT.pdf . Hopefully it will prove of some value. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47358	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: American Flyer PAs in beautiful L&N Paint Scheme on Ebay

WOW! If you are an L&N fan, you will want to take a look at this A-B-A set of American Flyer PAs. I do not know the seller though apparently he lives about 30 minutes away from me in Springfield, TN. He has been offering several L&N items on eBay since a little before Christmas but this is the most striking item I have seen. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160207564356&ssPageNa me=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=006_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160207564356&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=006) If this link gets stripped by Yahoo, it is item number: 160207564356 I am not a bidder on this because I prefer AM and SHS diesels to the AF PAs, but for you Flyer guys this may be worth looking at. This is a difficult paint scheme to decorate. - Earl Henry, Nashville **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47359	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?

Yes, it was. Ergo the hardening and cracking of the material. Steve in Boise In a message dated 02/11/2008 8:17:00 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, HOwingsiii@... writes: Question about the bellows material. Wasn't it a rubberized cloth material? Harwood ************************<WBR>**Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all ti (_http://music.http://music.<WBhttp://muhttp://mushttp://muhttp://music.<WBhtt p://_ (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025) 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47360	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: ON30 conversion to S ??

First I'll state that I know next to nothing about ON30 - so at the risk of sounding stupid - If I understand it right, ON30 rolling stock is "about" the same size as S ?? I have one old time Bachmann coach which appears about the right size, but the trucks are HO. Is there a way to convert it to S trucks? (I prefer hi-rail, but would consider scale.) How about ON30 locos - have any been converted to S? (I am ok with the DC motors...) Thanks, Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47361	From: roy inman	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??

I use SHS trucks and couplers to convert Bachmann On30 rolling stock to S. I think that most hi-railers or hi-scalers would find it acceptable, but don't know about S scale folks. Have not done any loco conversion. Roy Inman From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:25:26 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] ON30 conversion to S ?? First I'll state that I know next to nothing about ON30 - so at the risk of sounding stupid - If I understand it right, ON30 rolling stock is "about" the same size as S ?? I have one old time Bachmann coach which appears about the right size, but the trucks are HO. Is there a way to convert it to S trucks? (I prefer hi-rail, but would consider scale.) How about ON30 locos - have any been converted to S? (I am ok with the DC motors...) Thanks, Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47362	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??

Check out: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html I believe Steve has also converted a On30 coach. I haven't attempted one yet, it's a little more tricky, but have done some rolling stock. Here are some photos of mine: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_004/ Rick Evans. On Feb 11, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Al Baker wrote: > First I'll state that I know next to nothing about ON30 - so at the > risk of sounding stupid - If I understand it right, ON30 rolling stock > is "about" the same size as S ?? I have one old time Bachmann coach > which appears about the right size, but the trucks are HO. Is there a > way to convert it to S trucks? (I prefer hi-rail, but would consider > scale.) How about ON30 locos - have any been converted to S? (I am ok > with the DC motors...) > > Thanks, > Al Baker > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47363	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit

That is a GREAT article on LED lighting. I did a few of my plastic engines with yelo-glo LEDS using a burned out bulb socket. I soldered the rectifier diode into the positive contact at the bottom of the bulb, the LED to the diode and the other LED lead to the resistor which then got soldered to the side of the casing. Then filled the cavity with epoxy to keep things in place. You could adjust which way the LED points by filing or adding more solder to the bottom contact of the bulb. I like the cork idea and your circuit much better. Do you think it might work to eliminate the rectifier diode and use two LEDs back to back (pos to neg and neg to pos)? One facing through the headlight lens and the other pointing to the smoke stack for red-glowing smoke. Thanks again, Tim Benner On 2/11/08, teeb_1 <louavul@...> wrote: > > Past posts on the issue of LEDs as headlights seemed to focus on LED > replacements in a bulb "package", but I didn't see much in the way of > DYI direction. Perhaps this type of mod is too obvious to merit a lot > of coverage (or is covered in other train groups) but, having recently > given it a go, it occurred to me some basic guidance might answer some > questions or provide encouragement to those who aren't so far along > in "working" on their trains. > > So, posted in the Files section is the route I took. The file name is > LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT.pdf . Hopefully it will prove of some value. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47364	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit

Bill, Thanks for your kind words. As I pondered an approach I knew I needed some way to firmly affix both the LED and the connection points without doing any "damage" to the engine. My first attempt used a larger (5mm) LED filed a bit to "press fit" in the headlight opening, with the rectifier across it and the resistor hanging off to one side. It worked OK but I didn't like the fact that the LED was aimed in an upward slant as that's how the headlight opening runs. And it was going to need some manner of "glue" to hold everything solidly. With that assembly put aside I kept looking at the socket as an obvious platform. I thought about cleaning out the innards from a burnt out bulb and building therein but then, looking about my work space for something else non-conductive to stuff in the socket, I spied a small parts bin full of various small corks. I recall buying the cork assortment for some project though I needed just one, and I can't bear to throw out perfectly parts that might be of use someday. Luckily these made the cut to become an inspiration later. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Steve, > > > > That is a very thorough and helpful article. I plan to give it a try. The > essential idea of using a cork plug to replace the tooled, metal socket is > brilliant. > > > > Thanks, > > Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47365	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit

Tim, Back to back LEDs should definitely work as long as each LED's inverse voltage rating is greater than the other LED's forward voltage drop, e.g., inverse ratings of 5 volts and a forward drops of 4 volts as the one I used. Using two of these, when one is conducting the drop across both is no more than 4 volts, which is less than the reverse rating of the other. When the current reverses, it's the same thing just in the opposite direction. I provide this caution since you're considering different color LEDs and off hand I don't know how their specs will compare (different colors are often achieved with different junction materials, not just different color "lenses"), but I'd guess they'd be OK. If you don't have specs for them, I'd just put together the circuit on the bench and and let it cook for a while. The worst you could do is ruin a couple of (hopefully) inexpensive LEDs [assuming they don't burst into flames and burn down the house :-) ]. I actually thought about "building" inside a burned out bulb but didn't have any at hand and wondered how easy it would be to screw it in without messing up the protruding LED leads. Encasing in epoxy would largely solve that though I assume I'd have to leave some play in the leads in order to bend the LED into the headlight. It sounds like you solved the aiming issue by simply adding solder to the bottom of the LED "bulb" so it made contact when the LED faced the headlight opening. I'm guessing there's not that much illumination difference in having the LED just outside the headlight opening versus in the headlight opening. I kind of like your approach and may try a variation when I do my next engine. And I also like your idea of a red LED aimed at the stack from inside the boiler. I often noticed the white light around the stack from the incandescent bulb but I can't say that I ever noticed how much it illuminated the smoke. Then again, even just a red glow from inside the boiler would be pretty cool. If you build one, let us know how it turns out. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > That is a GREAT article on LED lighting. I did a few of my plastic engines > with yelo-glo LEDS using a burned out bulb socket. I soldered the rectifier > diode into the positive contact at the bottom of the bulb, the LED to the > diode and the other LED lead to the resistor which then got soldered to the > side of the casing. Then filled the cavity with epoxy to keep things in > place. You could adjust which way the LED points by filing or adding more > solder to the bottom contact of the bulb. I like the cork idea and your > circuit much better. > > Do you think it might work to eliminate the rectifier diode and use two LEDs > back to back (pos to neg and neg to pos)? One facing through the headlight > lens and the other pointing to the smoke stack for red-glowing smoke. > > Thanks again, > > Tim Benner > > > > On 2/11/08, teeb_1 <louavul@...> wrote: > > > > Past posts on the issue of LEDs as headlights seemed to focus on LED > > replacements in a bulb "package", but I didn't see much in the way of > > DYI direction. Perhaps this type of mod is too obvious to merit a lot > > of coverage (or is covered in other train groups) but, having recently > > given it a go, it occurred to me some basic guidance might answer some > > questions or provide encouragement to those who aren't so far along > > in "working" on their trains. > > > > So, posted in the Files section is the route I took. The file name is > > LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT.pdf . Hopefully it will prove of some value. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47366	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??

Roy I have done a 4 car set of the Bachman On30s as you state with the SHS trucks and couplers and they turned out and operate just super. Jerry Matsick PS - they look super right along side the AM, AF, or Lionel S Passenger cars and freight cars. roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: I use SHS trucks and couplers to convert Bachmann On30 rolling stock to S. I think that most hi-railers or hi-scalers would find it acceptable, but don't know about S scale folks. Have not done any loco conversion. Roy Inman From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:25:26 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] ON30 conversion to S ?? First I'll state that I know next to nothing about ON30 - so at the risk of sounding stupid - If I understand it right, ON30 rolling stock is "about" the same size as S ?? I have one old time Bachmann coach which appears about the right size, but the trucks are HO. Is there a way to convert it to S trucks? (I prefer hi-rail, but would consider scale.) How about ON30 locos - have any been converted to S? (I am ok with the DC motors...) Thanks, Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47367	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: On30 conversion to S?

I've done several Bachmann freight cars, and it was incredibly easy. (On30 is my "other" scale.) Yes, On30 is about the same proportions as S scale. In fact On30 on SHS trucks has often fooled people into thinking it is "old timer" style S stuff. No, they probably would not pass muster with some of the rivet counters, but who cares? It's YOUR railroad. I have no problem overlooking the too wide side ladders. Otherwise the dimensions are very close. Have fun. And, by the way, you can convert S rolling stock to On30 almost as easily! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47368	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Self contained power trucks

Good afternoon: I am looking for a powered truck in S Scale. Drop it on the rails and away it goes. 4 wheels or 6 wheels. It must be DCC convertible so an old Miller power truck is out. I want a pair of them to power an experimental locomotive (no prototype). Scale flanges preferred. I could regauge an HO mechanism but I would prefer to start with an S mechanism. Thanks! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47369	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Interesting Picture

Reference new Lionel American Flyer catalog. Page 134 Item 6-48373 Union Pacific Stock car. Interesting to note is that the "trucks" on the car are of the vintage AF Gilbert Tinplate type trucks? I am still wondering what happened to the news that Lionel stated about using the K-Line S Gauge trucks, which would have been a great improvement? Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47370	From: Ted Walton	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: AC Gilbert Science Set, microscope

bstilesaf ( or who ever you are; I do like to see names) I sold a #10 Gilbert Microscope set (1838) last October at York (TCA) train meet for $20. I felt the set was worth at least $30, but that was what I got after a couple days on my table. It was complete and in VG condition. I placed a photo of it in the groups photo section under Walton. Note that my box was cardboard, not metal. Ted Walton >>I recently saw an AC Gilbert Science kit in its original metal box with microscope, slides, specimen jars, paper inserts, etc. I am not sure if it was 100% complete, but it looked to me as though most if it was probably there. The asking price was $30. Is that a good price for a piece of AC Gilbert history...to put along side all of my S gauge trains?<< -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1260 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 9:44 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47371	From: Timboy	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit

Hi, That really is a well-thought out and well-executed work plan! It could also be used for DCC operation, although all I do is use the standard lamp bulb operated by a relay/diode, driven by my F4 function key in sync with the aux1 on the Loksound decoder. I may adapt that work plan for illumination of some old New Haven pax cars I am rehabbing. Thank you for sharing that file. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47372	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Lionel American Flyer Northern Smoke Unit Chirp/output

I am sure this has been covered before on this list. Forgive me, I am new. I ordered the "repair" from Lionel. By repair, I am talking about the oversize smoke unit gasket that is supposed to fix the chirp. It did not fix the chirp for me, but it did limit smoke output. I let Lionel know how I felt about this one! On Portlines website, there is a "how to" on how to really fix this problem and I quote..."PLHS NOTE: The "chirp" in the Northern smoke units can also be corrected by reversing the smoke unit baffle (a flat metal plate with a hole in the center)......the flange around the hole points in the wrong direction in the early production models." Well, I took the Northern apart again to change the traction tires, and want to reverse the baffle. I know what I am looking at and understand the procedure. HOW DO I GET THE BAFFLE OUT?????? I have tried with needle nose plyers and gently with vice grips. Like Prego, "it is in there!" Any suggestions from someone who has done this on how to remove, and then, I guess, reinsert the baffle plate? I am afraid of breaking something at this point. Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47373	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting picture

This was discussed Sunday night on the CHAT, and it was pointed out that there could be a couple of reasons for this... Catalog pictures are computer graphics. Catalog pictures were done before K-Line trucks were availible. Catalog pictures are of repainted older cars. Lionel will use up stocks of trucks on hand before moving to K-Line trucks. Take your choice or come up with your own... Stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47374	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer Northern Smoke Unit Chirp/output

Ben, I cover this at this web page. http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of bstilesaf Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 8:46 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel American Flyer Northern Smoke Unit Chirp/output I am sure this has been covered before on this list. Forgive me, I am new. I ordered the "repair" from Lionel. By repair, I am talking about the oversize smoke unit gasket that is supposed to fix the chirp. It did not fix the chirp for me, but it did limit smoke output. I let Lionel know how I felt about this one! On Portlines website, there is a "how to" on how to really fix this problem and I quote..."PLHS NOTE: The "chirp" in the Northern smoke units can also be corrected by reversing the smoke unit baffle (a flat metal plate with a hole in the center)......the flange around the hole points in the wrong direction in the early production models." Well, I took the Northern apart again to change the traction tires, and want to reverse the baffle. I know what I am looking at and understand the procedure. HOW DO I GET THE BAFFLE OUT?????? I have tried with needle nose plyers and gently with vice grips. Like Prego, "it is in there!" Any suggestions from someone who has done this on how to remove, and then, I guess, reinsert the baffle plate? I am afraid of breaking something at this point. Thanks! Ben Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47375	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting Picture

They frequently use pictures of original flyer or O gauge items in the catalog pictures. I wouldn't assume too much from this picture. I also wonder when they will pick up the k-truck. We probably need to make sure their product managment is aware we would prefer the newer truck. I could see them very easily assuming we would want something more "Gilbert" like. MK --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > > Reference new Lionel American Flyer catalog. Page 134 > Item 6-48373 Union Pacific Stock car. > Interesting to note is that the "trucks" on the car are of > the vintage AF Gilbert Tinplate type trucks? > I am still wondering what happened to the news that Lionel > stated about using the K-Line S Gauge trucks, which would have > been a great improvement? > > Jerry Matsick > Jax S Ville >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47376	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit

Tim, You're most welcome. I figured that even if no one felt the need to duplicate it, it would probably get some folks thinking about options they hadn't considered ... and someone will no doubt build a better one as a result. That's what's so great about a forum like this for sharing. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > That really is a well-thought out and well-executed work plan! It > could also be used for DCC operation, although all I do is use the > standard lamp bulb operated by a relay/diode, driven by my F4 function > key in sync with the aux1 on the Loksound decoder. I may adapt that > work plan for illumination of some old New Haven pax cars I am > rehabbing. Thank you for sharing that file. > > S-Happens! > Tim Brown >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47377	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Bellows Material

Hi Joe -- Thanks. I would paint it in any case. How easy is it to fold (can it be folded in 3/32" accordian folds?). Does it have any texture? Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ Bill, It probably would be. However, it is a deep purple in color, instead of being black. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47378	From: William Porter	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Provenance

Hi Folks, Does anyone know who made this car? Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47379	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting Picture

In a message dated 2/11/2008 7:38:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, jpmatsick@... writes: Reference new Lionel American Flyer catalog. Page 134 Item 6-48373 Union Pacific Stock car. Interesting to note is that the "trucks" on the car are of the vintage AF Gilbert Tinplate type trucks? I am still wondering what happened to the news that Lionel stated about using the K-Line S Gauge trucks, which would have been a great improvement Artist's conception, always artist's conception. Like the last visit to the Orthopod when he/she tells you it is arthritis!!!( they usually check for final payment BEFORE telling you that). Jim Lyle **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47380	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: On30 cars

I have had excellent results by cutting the wheel trucks down the center, and widen them out to accept K-Line wheels, this gives them high rail wheels with weight + using a electrical conductive paint axle to wheel on one side for electrical pickup + adding two more lamps in the car. My C & S cars are pulled with a repainted die cast AF Atlantic locomotive. I haven't had any luck on converting a On30 loco to "S". Just a note 42" gauge ( On42 ) was the track gauge of the Denver, Colorado's trolly's of the Denver Tram Way. Jerry HR77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47381	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting picture

In a message dated 2/11/2008 9:10:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Lionel will use up stocks of trucks on hand before moving to K-Line trucks. Stumpy LIONEL has stated this will happen, only makes sense. WHAT IF A C Gilbert had had ANY control over their inventory??? There's one to ponder!!!! What doesn't make any sense is Maury (K-line) copying SHS's truck (did they REALLY make new molds) instead of offering another choice to the marketplace. Jim Lyle **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47382	From: Timboy	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: On30 cars

Hi Jerry, After you cut the trucks down the center, how to you rejoin them when you are re-gauging them. I'm assuming here that when you cut them, you cut them completely into two halves. Do you braise a strip back in to widen them or maybe bolt a plate over top of the two halves? I'm curious as to your technique. Thanks! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47383	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??

Thanks to all that have replied to this topic, your info has been very helpful. This is adding a new dimension to my hobby !! Regards, Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47384	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??

Hi Al, Like the others I have done several On30 freight conversions. They are fairly easy with SHS trucks and I use AM dummy couplers which I find work easier than either the AM or SHS operating freight trucks. I have also done a couple of passenger car conversions. For the first I expanded the On30 truck as explained before. But for the next one, the one I am working on now, I used AM Heavyweight two axle trucks. with their operating passenger Flyer type couplers. It takes a little work and using an eyelet to fill in the gap in the king post, but it does work rather well. My guess is if you want to keep the interior lights you must re gauge the On30 trucks. Or at least that would be the easiest way. I used my cars and MW so I did not keep the interior lighting. The only conversion I did that I did not like was the On30 4 whell caboose. That just looked WAY out of proportion. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > First I'll state that I know next to nothing about ON30 - so at the > risk of sounding stupid - If I understand it right, ON30 rolling stock > is "about" the same size as S ?? I have one old time Bachmann coach > which appears about the right size, but the trucks are HO. Is there a > way to convert it to S trucks? (I prefer hi-rail, but would consider > scale.) How about ON30 locos - have any been converted to S? (I am ok > with the DC motors...) > > Thanks, > Al Baker >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47385	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Provenance

The Invisible Car Company???? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "William Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > Does anyone know who made this car? > > > > Bill > > > > Bill Porter > > Loxahatchee, Florida > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47386	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Provenance

Hmm-is it a Flyonel Phantom Stealth that uses Romulan cloaking technology developed by Neil Young? - John Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47387	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??

I had a look-see at Bachman's site and like the look of the 19th century passenger cars. Has anyone used these with a Franklin/Washington? I'd like to know how they look and "hang" behind them-john Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47388	From: Al Baker	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: ON30 conversion to S ??

Hi Wayne, Thanks for your reply. At this point I am most interested in the passenger cars. A couple questions: Do I assume correctly AM will sell the trucks that you mention separately? Is there something about a long & short tongue? Which did you use? I have looked at the trucks on the AF Franklin/Overland 20/30/40 coaches and wonder if they could be used? Thanks, Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: > > Hi Al, > > Like the others I have done several On30 freight conversions. They are > fairly easy with SHS trucks and I use AM dummy couplers which I find > work easier than either the AM or SHS operating freight trucks. I have > also done a couple of passenger car conversions. For the first I > expanded the On30 truck as explained before. But for the next one, the > one I am working on now, I used AM Heavyweight two axle trucks. with > their operating passenger Flyer type couplers. It takes a little work > and using an eyelet to fill in the gap in the king post, but it does > work rather well. My guess is if you want to keep the interior lights > you must re gauge the On30 trucks. Or at least that would be the > easiest way. I used my cars and MW so I did not keep the interior > lighting. The only conversion I did that I did not like was the On30 4 > whell caboose. That just looked WAY out of proportion. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@> wrote: > > > > First I'll state that I know next to nothing about ON30 - so at the > > risk of sounding stupid - If I understand it right, ON30 rolling > stock > > is "about" the same size as S ?? I have one old time Bachmann coach > > which appears about the right size, but the trucks are HO. Is there a > > way to convert it to S trucks? (I prefer hi-rail, but would consider > > scale.) How about ON30 locos - have any been converted to S? (I am > ok > > with the DC motors...) > > > > Thanks, > > Al Baker > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47389	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Provenance 350024921252

Hi Folks, Does anyone know who made this car? Arrrgh - I forgot the auction number for the caboose. It is 350024921252 The car has Flyer trucks and is alleged to have been built from a kit. It looks like the work of someone who has been in the hobby a while and I hoped that someone would reckognize it. Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47390	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit

Steve, Very impressive and really not that difficult. I have been pondering for awhile on how to convert my stable of engines to LED's, now I know. I am repairing some pieces for a friend and then I intend to start converting all my engines using your method. Those of us who intend to do this are not going to face litigation for patent infringement or industrial espionage or the like, are we? Just kidding, I appreciate you sharing with the the group. A great bunch of guys and gals to share ideas and a hobby, makes life enjoyable. Thanks again, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: louavul@...: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:57:41 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit Bill,Thanks for your kind words. As I pondered an approach I knew I needed some way to firmly affix both the LED and the connection points without doing any "damage" to the engine. My first attempt used a larger (5mm) LED filed a bit to "press fit" in the headlight opening, with the rectifier across it and the resistor hanging off to one side. It worked OK but I didn't like the fact that the LED was aimed in an upward slant as that's how the headlight opening runs. And it was going to need some manner of "glue" to hold everything solidly.With that assembly put aside I kept looking at the socket as an obvious platform. I thought about cleaning out the innards from a burnt out bulb and building therein but then, looking about my work space for something else non-conductive to stuff in the socket, I spied a small parts bin full of various small corks. I recall buying the cork assortment for some project though I needed just one, and I can't bear to throw out perfectly parts that might be of use someday. Luckily these made the cut to become an inspiration later.Steve--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:>> Steve,> > > > That is a very thorough and helpful article. I plan to give it a try. The> essential idea of using a cork plug to replace the tooled, metal socket is> brilliant.> > > > Thanks,> > Bill _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47391	From: macflyer0513	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: PA truck frames

I'd like to string together an A-B-B-A set of 360 & 361's. I'll need to replace the rear A unit truck frame with one that can have a knuckle coupler; right now it just has flat ends. I'll need to replace the other rear A unit frame with one that just has one knuckle coupler to couple up to the rear "B" unit. That one has the two screw holes for the fibre connector. Any suggestions on how to do that conversion or where I could buy replacement frames that do the job? Thanks, Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47392	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Possible Galloping Goose

Hi guys, I got an email from a train company offering free shipping, so checked it out, of course, NO S! BUT they did have 0n3, and I thought, "what the heck, maybe they'll have a great deal on some old-timey cars I could convert" Hmm, no cars, but take a look at this Galloping goose for $50. I wonder how hard it would be to convert to S? Should be room enough in the box for a modern reversing unit so I could run this DC puppy on AC. Hmmm???? What'd y'all think? http://www.factorydirecttrains.com/pcmgallopinggoose-2.aspx S' David D. PS, and it comes lettered for the California Western! (I know, not protoypical, but FUN.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47393	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: PA truck frames

Lionel sells PA side frames. Go to their web site. We have a few available as well. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/12/2008 7:51:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, macflyer@... writes: I'd like to string together an A-B-B-A set of 360 & 361's. I'll need to replace the rear A unit truck frame with one that can have a knuckle coupler; right now it just has flat ends. I'll need to replace the other rear A unit frame with one that just has one knuckle coupler to couple up to the rear "B" unit. That one has the two screw holes for the fibre connector. Any suggestions on how to do that conversion or where I could buy replacement frames that do the job? Thanks, Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47394	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit

Larry, You're welcome. I'm guessing your "litigation" comment was prompted by my copyright notice. I'm happy to share with anyone for their personal use and "enjoyment". I just didn't want to see someone somehow charging for my work somewhere down the road (unless I get a cut, of course) :-) . Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > Steve, Very impressive and really not that difficult. I have been pondering for awhile on how to convert my stable of engines to LED's, now I know. I am repairing some pieces for a friend and then I intend to start converting all my engines using your method. Those of us who intend to do this are not going to face litigation for patent infringement or industrial espionage or the like, are we? Just kidding, I appreciate you sharing with the the group. A great bunch of guys and gals to share ideas and a hobby, makes life enjoyable. Thanks again, Larry > > > To: S-Trains@...: louavul@...: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:57:41 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47395	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Possible Galloping Goose

David and "Hi Guys" I have done business with these people and they are AOK! and yes I think it would make a great "novelty" item on any S Gauge Layout. Jerry Matsick David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: Hi guys, I got an email from a train company offering free shipping, so checked it out, of course, NO S! BUT they did have 0n3, and I thought, "what the heck, maybe they'll have a great deal on some old-timey cars I could convert" Hmm, no cars, but take a look at this Galloping goose for $50. I wonder how hard it would be to convert to S? Should be room enough in the box for a modern reversing unit so I could run this DC puppy on AC. Hmmm???? What'd y'all think? http://www.factorydirecttrains.com/pcmgallopinggoose-2.aspx S' David D. PS, and it comes lettered for the California Western! (I know, not protoypical, but FUN.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47396	From: roy inman	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Possible Galloping Goose

I have a couple of those On30 Geese, and never thought about conversion. I may give it a go... Roy Inman From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:55:58 -0800 (PST) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Possible Galloping Goose David and "Hi Guys" I have done business with these people and they are AOK! and yes I think it would make a great "novelty" item on any S Gauge Layout. Jerry Matsick David Dewey <djdewey@... <mailto:djdewey%40cncnet.com> > wrote: Hi guys, I got an email from a train company offering free shipping, so checked it out, of course, NO S! BUT they did have 0n3, and I thought, "what the heck, maybe they'll have a great deal on some old-timey cars I could convert" Hmm, no cars, but take a look at this Galloping goose for $50. I wonder how hard it would be to convert to S? Should be room enough in the box for a modern reversing unit so I could run this DC puppy on AC. Hmmm???? What'd y'all think? http://www.factorydirecttrains.com/pcmgallopinggoose-2.aspx S' David D. PS, and it comes lettered for the California Western! (I know, not protoypical, but FUN.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47397	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Possible Galloping Goose

David, Check with the guys over on the On30 lists - they have been slicing and dicing this puppy since it was introduced! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Possible Galloping Goose Hi guys, I got an email from a train company offering free shipping, so checked it out, of course, NO S! BUT they did have 0n3, and I thought, "what the heck, maybe they'll have a great deal on some old-timey cars I could convert" Hmm, no cars, but take a look at this Galloping goose for $50. I wonder how hard it would be to convert to S? Should be room enough in the box for a modern reversing unit so I could run this DC puppy on AC. Hmmm???? What'd y'all think? http://www.factorydirecttrains.com/pcmgallopinggoose-2.aspx S' David D. PS, and it comes lettered for the California Western! (I know, not protoypical, but FUN.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47398	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: On30 cars

Tim, Here are the links to pix of my technique of regauging Bachmann's On30 trucks: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/DCP_5006-crpd.JPG.html http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/DCP_5007-crpd.JPG.html I used Kadee coupler screws to reassemble the trucks. With the new bolster sitting below the ears, I can use washers to adjust coupler height easily. Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: On30 cars Hi Jerry, After you cut the trucks down the center, how to you rejoin them when you are re-gauging them. I'm assuming here that when you cut them, you cut them completely into two halves. Do you braise a strip back in to widen them or maybe bolt a plate over top of the two halves? I'm curious as to your technique. Thanks! Tim Brown _Recent Activity a.. 8New Photos b.. 3New Files Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Moderator Central Yahoo! Groups Get the latest news from the team. Wellness Spot Embrace Change Break the Yo-Yo weight loss cycle. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47399	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: PA truck frames

Check our AF Repair Clinic #4 on or website.........it applies to PAs just as well as GP7s. # 4: CONVERTING LC GP-7 TRUCKS TO KC GP-7 TRUCKS <http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic4.htm> <<<<replace the rear A unit truck frame with one that can have a knuckle coupler; right now it just has flat ends. I'll need to replace the other rear A unit frame with one that just has one knuckle coupler to couple up to the rear "B" unit.>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47400	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Possible Galloping Goose

One of the guys in our club is already doing these, and several of us own one....mine is the ATSF. It's not my place to state his name or contact info here, but I think he plans to do so as soon as he's ready to offer them more widely. I know he has that in mind. DC, or DCC. Complete with passengers in the rear! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47401	From: Ken Kinyon	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Possible Galloping Goose

There are a lot of pictures of Galloping Geese (gooses?) on these two sites. Regards, Ken http://www.gallopinggoose.org/ http://www.ridgwayrailroadmuseum.org/motor1.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47402	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: On30 cars

Posted by: "Timboy" Timboy@... timstrains2000 Date: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:30 am ((PST)) Hi Jerry, After you cut the trucks down the center, how to you rejoin them when you are re-gauging them. I'm assuming here that when you cut them, you cut them completely into two halves. Do you braise a strip back in to widen them or maybe bolt a plate over top of the two halves? I'm curious as to your technique. Thanks! Tim Brown Remove the truck from the car. Disassemble the truck, cut of the shaft on the top of the truck. Cut the truck down the center. I made a jug from a small block of wood, 2 # 22 holes for the truck screw bosses 7/8 " apart, to aid in assembly. Epoxy a 7/32" spacer strip of plastic, between the cut parts the same thickness as the truck, and thin plate of plastic over the top ( on the bottom side of the truck ) of the connection, when dry drill a #52 hole for bolt to hold truck to car. The K-Line wheels will help to gauge the trucks. Jerry HR77-11644 3a. On30 cars Posted by: "gerald r dobbs" grdobbs@... Date: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:13 am ((PST)) I have had excellent results by cutting the wheel trucks down the center, and widen them out to accept K-Line wheels, this gives them high rail wheels with weight + using a electrical conductive paint axle to wheel on one side for electrical pickup + adding two more lamps in the car. My C & S cars are pulled with a repainted die cast AF Atlantic locomotive. I haven't had any luck on converting a On30 loco to "S". Just a note 42" gauge ( On42 ) was the track gauge of the Denver, Colorado's trolly's of the Denver Tram Way. Jerry HR77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47403	From: Timboy	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: On30 cars

Hi Don, Thanks for the links, but I can not view them because I am not a member of that List, nor do I care to be. Thanks anyway. Regards, Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47404	From: velapoldi	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Any transformer limit voltage for kids?

Hi all: We still use candles on the tree and have for the 37 years we have been married (excluding the first year as we were in Israel during Christmas and there weren't too many trees for sale) - it is a Norwegian custom. No problems as yet. Yes, we only light them once or twice during a Christmas. No trains around the tree, however. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Don Thompson wrote: > > Dear Stumpy, > A hundred years ago there were no electric lights for Christmas > trees. They used lots of candles on the evergreens. Now there is a > real fire hazard. My great aunt told me that they only lite these once > or at most twice. On Christmas eve and maybe again on Christmas. All > of the trees were fresh cut and kept up for a few days only. She still > had one of the old candle holders with a counterweight to keep it upright. > Don > PS I too am glad that my parent bought me American Flyer S SCALE trains > instead of 0-27. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47405	From: Phil K	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: The difference between being a list 'member' and 'subscriber'

From S-Trains founder Paul Yorke: "I suspect that not all subscribers realize that if their mail is being sent to aol or comcast (read that "non-Yahoo"), and they do not have a Yahoo ID and login, then they are not list 'members', only list 'subscribers'. Members can vote and look at old messages, Yahoo photo albums etc. Subscribers (non-members) get the list mail but that's about it. Most are happy with this status. They don't want to signup for a Yahoo ID and login, or try and remember another username/login." So there ya go. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47406	From: dmunseyjr@comcast.net	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: On30 cars

Tim, This is not a list requiring membership to view items. This is Paul Yorke's S-scale gallery site and there appears to be a SNAFU somewhere. I can't get into it either at this time. I'll e-mail you the pix direct tonite when I get home. Meanwhile, I'm trying to contact Paul to see what's happening. Sorry for the inconvenience. Don -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Timboy" <Timboy@...> > Hi Don, > > Thanks for the links, but I can not view them because I am not a member > of that List, nor do I care to be. Thanks anyway. > > Regards, > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47407	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: On30 cars

You CAN view without being a member. However, there seems to be a problem with the site!! Paul??? Rick. On Feb 13, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Timboy wrote: > Hi Don, > > Thanks for the links, but I can not view them because I am not a > member > of that List, nor do I care to be. Thanks anyway. > > Regards, > Tim Brown > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47408	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: RE;re:On30 cars

I was reminded today that reguaging is a possibility IF you are running S "Scale." If you are a Toy train or Hi-rail operator on old Flyer, Gargraves, or some other tracks, the small "scale" wheel flanges won't work reliably, if at all. I know scale wheels work on SHS track and switches, but I'm not sure about some others. Maybe other listers can advise. Since I'm a Hi-railer, I just change the trucks and couplers bnecause it's easier. Stumpy Stone...Mad Butcher of Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47409	From: trobicha	Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Possible Galloping Goose

As Doug Peck mentioned, I have a project underway to convert a limited number of On30 Galloping Gooses, made by Precision Craft Models, from On30 to S standard gauge with hirail wheels. This will be a strictly limited edition offering as long as supplies, parts, and energy(mine) are available. Only fully converted Gooses will be available - no parts, kits, etc. The convertion includes filling the back with passengers. I've already completed & delivered several conversions as Doug mentioned, and more are underway. But it will take a little time as I acquire a sufficient volume of parts. If anyone is interested please feel free to contact me off list for price and availability details (first come first served). The road names currently available are: ATSF War Bonnet Rio Grand Southern #4 Rio Grand Motor Ways California Western East Broad Top And a few others Right now I know I can provide DC no sound and DCC with sound versions. I'm also investigating an AC no sound version. If you are interested, please email me off list with what road name you are interested in and what power option (DC no sound, DCC with sound, and (possibly) AC no sound). I can then provide further information on pricing and availability. Thanks Tommy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > One of the guys in our club is already doing these, and several of us > own one....mine is the ATSF. > > It's not my place to state his name or contact info here, but I think he > plans to do so as soon as he's ready to offer them more widely. > > I know he has that in mind. > > DC, or DCC. > > Complete with passengers in the rear! > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47410	From: GREYSTOKE	Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: Possible Galloping Goose

Tommy: If you go the hi-rail AC version I would certainly be interested in the Santa Fe version. Russ Sanford Redmond, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: trobicha To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Possible Galloping Goose As Doug Peck mentioned, I have a project underway to convert a limited number of On30 Galloping Gooses, made by Precision Craft Models, from On30 to S standard gauge with hirail wheels. This will be a strictly limited edition offering as long as supplies, parts, and energy(mine) are available. Only fully converted Gooses will be available - no parts, kits, etc. The convertion includes filling the back with passengers. I've already completed & delivered several conversions as Doug mentioned, and more are underway. But it will take a little time as I acquire a sufficient volume of parts. If anyone is interested please feel free to contact me off list for price and availability details (first come first served). The road names currently available are: ATSF War Bonnet Rio Grand Southern #4 Rio Grand Motor Ways California Western East Broad Top And a few others Right now I know I can provide DC no sound and DCC with sound versions. I'm also investigating an AC no sound version. If you are interested, please email me off list with what road name you are interested in and what power option (DC no sound, DCC with sound, and (possibly) AC no sound). I can then provide further information on pricing and availability. Thanks Tommy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > One of the guys in our club is already doing these, and several of us > own one....mine is the ATSF. > > It's not my place to state his name or contact info here, but I think he > plans to do so as soon as he's ready to offer them more widely. > > I know he has that in mind. > > DC, or DCC. > > Complete with passengers in the rear! > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1266 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 10:06 AM -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 70 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47411	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit

To the group: Went to Lowe's and found the corks, and to Radio Shack for the electronics. Purchased enough parts to do 2 complete conversions for about $6.00. Will have 2 resistors left toward the next two. The soldering gun will be hot this weekend. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: louavul@...: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:49:51 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit Larry,You're welcome. I'm guessing your "litigation" comment was prompted by my copyright notice. I'm happy to share with anyone for their personal use and "enjoyment". I just didn't want to see someone somehow charging for my work somewhere down the road (unless I get a cut, of course) :-) .Steve--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:>> Steve, Very impressive and really not that difficult. I have been pondering for awhile on how to convert my stable of engines to LED's, now I know. I am repairing some pieces for a friend and then I intend to start converting all my engines using your method. Those of us who intend to do this are not going to face litigation for patent infringement or industrial espionage or the like, are we? Just kidding, I appreciate you sharing with the the group. A great bunch of guys and gals to share ideas and a hobby, makes life enjoyable. Thanks again, Larry> > > To: S-Trains@...: louavul@...: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:57:41 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit> _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47412	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: An S Scale Version of the SD?

Attached is a link to the latest issue of the B&O Modeler, an electronic magazine published by the B&O Railroad Historical Society (BTW: They are an excellent group and I'd encourage all S scalers and any others interested in the B&O to join.) The issue contains an article on modeling EMD's SD-7 in HO. The pictures (especially that first one with the caboose) made me wish for an S scale version of the SD's. Are there other S scalers out there with a similar wish? Paul Schilling http://borhs.org/ModelerMag/BO_Modeler_4_2008_JanFeb.pdf

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47413	From: jirschele@att.net	Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: design software

I am considering getting some design/layout software for my AF's when I retire in a couple of years to help with designing a layout. Anyone got a suggestion on what to look at? Thanks Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47414	From: rj4010d	Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Spring "S" Spree

To all "S" enthusiast: The 21st annual Spring "S" Spree is coming up very soon. Check out our web site at www.trainweb.org/mvsg Stumpy will be there!! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47415	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: design software

In a message dated 2/14/2008 6:49:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, jirschele@... writes: I am considering getting some design/layout software for my AF's when I retire in a couple of years to help with designing a layout. Anyone got a suggestion Start NOW, don't wait. Jim Lyle **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47416	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: design software

Amen! Building a model railroad does NOT get easier with age. Bill Winans In a message dated 2/14/2008 6:49:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, jirschele@... writes: Anyone got a suggestion? Start NOW, don't wait. -- Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47417	From: trainnut2us	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Led retrofit

http://www.autolumination.com/trainbulbs.htm And scroll down page!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47418	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Not Train Related But Remembering the 60's

Hi All, You might find this an interesting look back on the 60's: http://cruzintheavenue.com/TakeMeBackToTheSixties.htm BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47419	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Led retrofit

Train nut; Thanks for that,,, a very handy link! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainnut2us" <trainnut2us@...> wrote: > > http://www.autolumination.com/trainbulbs.htm > > And scroll down page! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47420	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Not Train Related But Remembering the 60's

Thanks, I enjoyed the trip back.....Don Rodgers, St.Pete, Fl. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Not Train Related But Remembering the 60's Hi All, You might find this an interesting look back on the 60's: http://cruzintheavenue.com/TakeMeBackToTheSixties.htm BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47421	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: The Ann Arbor, Michigan Train Show

The Ann Arbor Model RR Club's annual train show will be held this weekend - Saturday & Sunday - in the Saline Middle School on Maple Rd, Saline Mich, just southwest of Ann Arbor. The hours are 10 AM - 4 PM Saturday and 10 AM - 3 PM Sunday. I will be there with 10 tables of new S scale, S Gauge stuff (everything but American Flyer & Lionel). The Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers will have their big new show layout set up and operating. That alone ought to be worth coming to see. Tom Hawley dba Michigan Models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47422	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Not Train Related But Remembering the 60's

Well, interesting but, I liked the 50's better.... Steve Boise In a message dated 02/15/2008 4:04:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, drmusic244@... writes: Thanks, I enjoyed the trip back.....Don Rodgers, St.Pete, Fl. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:41 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [S-Trains] Not Train Related But Remembering the 60's Hi All, You might find this an interesting look back on the 60's: _http://cruzintheavehttp://cruzinthehttp://cruzinthhtt_ (http://cruzintheavenue.com/TakeMeBackToTheSixties.htm) BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47423	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: The Ann Arbor, Michigan Train Show

I used to attend this every year when I lived in Ann Arbor--it is a great show with quite a bit of S and a lot of everything else. If you're within driving distance, this show is worth the trip. Scott Griggs --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > The Ann Arbor Model RR Club's annual train show will be held this weekend - Saturday & Sunday - in the Saline Middle School on Maple Rd, Saline Mich, just southwest of Ann Arbor. The hours are 10 AM - 4 PM Saturday and 10 AM - 3 PM Sunday. > > I will be there with 10 tables of new S scale, S Gauge stuff (everything but American Flyer & Lionel). > > The Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers will have their big new show layout set up and operating. That alone ought to be worth coming to see. > > Tom Hawley dba Michigan Models > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47424	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Photos of K-Line Big Boy

With the discussions related to the just-announced AF Big Boy (built from ex-K-Line tooling), I thought some might like to see some photos of a K-Line Big Boy. There are a few photos showing comparisons with other S gauge rolling stock. The last photo shows the K-Line locomotive lined up in front of a full size S scale drawing of a Big Boy to convey how close it is to S. The photos are in the Files section under the title: "K-Line Big Boy"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47425	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Photos of K-Line Big Boy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote: > > With the discussions related to the just-announced AF Big Boy (built > from ex-K-Line tooling), I thought some might like to see some photos > of a K-Line Big Boy. There are a few photos showing comparisons with > other S gauge rolling stock. The last photo shows the K-Line > locomotive lined up in front of a full size S scale drawing of a Big > Boy to convey how close it is to S. > > The photos are in the Files section under the title: "K-Line Big Boy" Now if only the s guage model hasall of the same detail. I have a K325 that I just had 2 loose wires fixed Thanks, Alan Lambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47426	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Myflyertrains Site Gone?

Does anyone know what happened to the MyFlyerTrains.org site? Seems to be shutdown. This was a great site with all the AF catalogs on it. http://myflyertrains.org/index.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47427	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Myflyertrains Site Gone?

I am still getting it at the following; www.MyFlyerTrains.org. Try this link. Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: pmcelroy@...: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:41:05 -0500Subject: [S-Trains] Myflyertrains Site Gone? Does anyone know what happened to the MyFlyerTrains.org site? Seems to be shutdown. This was a great site with all the AF catalogs on it. http://myflyertrains.org/index.htm%5bNon-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47428	From: MaryAnn Obuch	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Myflyertrains Site Gone?

It didn't work with the link you listed but when changed to it worked OK: http://myflyertrains.org/ Yours Truly, Maryann Obuch I have some HO Items Forsale Ask for my list. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47429	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Not Train Related But Remembering the 60's

Fifties are covered on the same site ... http://thefiftiesandsixties.com/TakeMeBackToTheFifties.htm or, better yet, their home page http://oldfortyfives.com/ Enjoy! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Well, interesting but, I liked the 50's better.... > > Steve > Boise > > > In a message dated 02/15/2008 4:04:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > drmusic244@... writes: > > > > > Thanks, I enjoyed the trip back.....Don Rodgers, St.Pete, Fl. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bull_Gator_1 > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:41 PM > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: [S-Trains] Not Train Related But Remembering the 60's > > Hi All, > > You might find this an interesting look back on the 60's: > > _http://cruzintheavehttp://cruzinthehttp://cruzinthhtt_ > (http://cruzintheavenue.com/TakeMeBackToTheSixties.htm) > > BG1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47430	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Myflyertrains Site Gone?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know what happened to the MyFlyerTrains.org site? Seems to be shutdown. This was a great site with all the AF catalogs on it. > > http://myflyertrains.org/index.htm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Patrick, I still hit at http://myflyertrains.org/. Try dropping off the index portion of address. Barry Jamison Conshohocken

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47431	From: trobicha	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Possible Galloping Goose

I have posted a few pictures of the ON30 galloping goose converted. They are under goose project. Tommy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trobicha" <a1traindude@...> wrote: > > As Doug Peck mentioned, I have a project underway to convert a > limited number of On30 Galloping Gooses, made by Precision Craft > Models, from On30 to S standard gauge with hirail wheels. This will > be a strictly limited edition offering as long as supplies, parts, > and energy(mine) are available. Only fully converted Gooses will be > available - no parts, kits, etc. The convertion includes filling > the back with passengers. I've already completed & delivered several > conversions as Doug mentioned, and more are underway. But it will > take a little time as I acquire a sufficient volume of parts. If > anyone is interested please feel free to contact me off list for > price and availability details (first come first served). The road > names currently available are: > > ATSF War Bonnet > Rio Grand Southern #4 > Rio Grand Motor Ways > California Western > East Broad Top > And a few others > > Right now I know I can provide DC no sound and DCC with sound > versions. I'm also investigating an AC no sound version. If you are > interested, please email me off list with what road name you are > interested in and what power option (DC no sound, DCC with sound, and > (possibly) AC no sound). I can then provide further information on > pricing and availability. > > Thanks > > Tommy > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@> wrote: > > > > One of the guys in our club is already doing these, and several of > us > > own one....mine is the ATSF. > > > > It's not my place to state his name or contact info here, but I > think he > > plans to do so as soon as he's ready to offer them more widely. > > > > I know he has that in mind. > > > > DC, or DCC. > > > > Complete with passengers in the rear! > > > > > > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines Hobby Supply > > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > > www.sgaugetrains.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47432	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Photos of K-Line Big Boy

Those are great photos! Thank you for sharing. We all kow that the K-Line boxcars are a bit big for S gauge (but I run them anyway!) I am not a bolt counter, so if I can afford to get one, I will be getting a Big Boy. I wonder if with S gauge running gear it will be a bit loiwer to the tracks? I am sure it will be because the wheels will be smaller in diameter. It really seems to dwarf the AF Hudson in the one photo. I can't wait to see the fan driven smoke unit in an AF engine! The mechanical one in the Docksider and Northern were not so good, although I have been able to rework my Northern thanks to Carl. Happy S Gauging to one and all! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47433	From: s_yorke	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Myflyertrains Site Gone?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know what happened to the MyFlyerTrains.org site? Seems to be shutdown. This was a great site with all the AF catalogs on it. > > http://myflyertrains.org/index.htm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > This great site is still here... http://myflyertrains.org Good use of Wordpress.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47434	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Transition segments

Good morning! I am doing some armchair layout construction. I will need a 4% grade for this proposal. I am worried about going from 0% grade to 4% grade without a transition. I looked at the NMRA website and they do not discuss grades (nor transitions). I did a web search and did not find anything about grade transition. (I did find Woodland Scenic's foam grades and wondered if these have transitions.) How long is the transition section from flat to 4% and how much rise does it yield? 2%? 3%? Is there a formula? Many thanks in advance for this information, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47435	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Myflyertrains Site Gone?

Barry Jamison wrote: > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> > wrote: > > > > Does anyone know what happened to the MyFlyerTrains.org site? Seems > to be shutdown. This was a great site with all the AF catalogs on it. > > > > http://myflyertrains.org/index.htm <http://myflyertrains.org/index.htm> > > > As a web designer I can explain why your link with the index.html did not work. By default, any website serves up the index.htm or html page first. However, there are other pages that are also served up by default if index.htm or html is not available. It appears that he changed the page to index.php to take advantage of some active programming using the PHP language. By typing the index html, you force it to look for that specific page which is no longer available, hence the 404 error not found message. Either http://myflyertrains.org/ or http://myflyertrains.org/index.php now brings up the same pages. Great site BTW! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47436	From: G C	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Transition segments

I once spoke to one of the folks at the Brunswick, MD RR Museum and he told me that they had designed their sharper grades heading into "the mountains" with some long straight aways so that engines/trains could build momentum before sarting the climb. Yes, this says little about actual transition mathematics as explained in Sam's article, but it is very important to remember. Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47437	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Incandescent Death Throes

After checking several sites, I have to say I'm very happy with what our replacements will be. No more melting switch lanterns, cabeese with smoke, cabeese in CC mode, etc. But it looks like Standard gage still won't have appropriately sized bulbs for the headlamps-a situation that has been for some time-the biggest bulbs are still too dinky for most locos. I am always happiest with a find when it has a vintage bulb that still works! What I plan on doing is to replace the bulbs in all my Flyer passenger cars to LED and using them on my wide gage locomotives. If anyone knows of a source for the pre-war sized headlamps in either filament or LED, please let me know?-TYIA-John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47438	From: roy inman	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Myflyertrains Site Gone?

Barry's suggestion worked for me. Roy Inman From: Barry Jamison <bjamison330@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:04:03 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Myflyertrains Site Gone? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know what happened to the MyFlyerTrains.org site? Seems to be shutdown. This was a great site with all the AF catalogs on it. > > http://myflyertrains.org/index.htm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Patrick, I still hit at http://myflyertrains.org/. Try dropping off the index portion of address. Barry Jamison Conshohocken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47439	From: mlprell	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: 751 Log Loader

I am attempting to rebuild/restore a #751 Log Loader. Most of the essential parts are still present, including the two button control box, the sellonoid and log ellevator and the log carriage. I also have the fly wheel and a small black gear. Still connected is what I'll call a cam switch which I believe to be activated by the fly wheel as it rotates. Lacking is the motor and transmission that I believe it uses. My question is thus, where may I go to get the missing parts and a schematic diagram in order to bring this old beauty back to life.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47440	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Transition segments

Hi Thorin, On my new layout, I use AF track and have several track runs with both straight and curved track that are on a 4% grade using Woodland Scenics risers. I do not have any problems with derailments, loss of traction or e-units cycling. You have to be very careful that the transition from level track to a grade is consistent and does not have any sudden changes (particularly at track joints where the pins can easily bend). If you have a sloppy transition the wheels on the trucks, drivers and tenders can loose contact with the track causing derailments, loss of traction and e-unit cycling. I slowly move all my locomotives (steam only - Atlantics, Pacifics and Hudsons) across the transition points and adjust with shims if necessary to ensure I have continuous contact between the wheels and the track. I also try to maintain at least 6 inches of level track entering and exiting turnouts before changing grade. It takes a little work but once you've got it right the problems will be gone. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: > > Good morning! > I am doing some armchair layout construction. I will need a 4% > grade for this proposal. I am worried about going from 0% grade to 4% > grade without a transition. I looked at the NMRA website and they do > not discuss grades (nor transitions). I did a web search and did not > find anything about grade transition. (I did find Woodland Scenic's > foam grades and wondered if these have transitions.) > > How long is the transition section from flat to 4% and how much rise > does it yield? 2%? 3%? > Is there a formula? > > Many thanks in advance for this information, > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47441	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Transition segments

Hi Marty; A paltry 4%,,,, no problemo buddy. Short story, I was bound and determined to have my layout when we moved into our new house. It's in the garage. (note, I'm leaving out a lot of stuff here to get to the point.) Too have it large enough for fun, it requires a 5% grade to get from lower level to upper level. I never used formulas or CAD designs, I just used what worked. In general, I have roughly 2 straight track pieces (standard ACG track) to make the transition from level to established grade. Shorter transition caused problems with steam locos, and some other locos with "catchers" that are close to track height. Based on input from a friend, I figured out a helix to get up/down, it's also a 5% grade. There's 60 feet of track in that puppy. If you want to see action shots, go to YouTube.com, search on "Barney6812", you should get 6 clips. Here's a link to most recent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzWPccb1F6s You can see various portons of the grade and the helix in the clips. My layout isn't "realistic", but it's sure a lot of fun!! It's doable buddy,,,, enjoy your layout!! cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: > > Good morning! > I am doing some armchair layout construction. I will need a 4% > grade for this proposal. I am worried about going from 0% grade to 4% > grade without a transition. I looked at the NMRA website and they do > not discuss grades (nor transitions). I did a web search and did not > find anything about grade transition. (I did find Woodland Scenic's > foam grades and wondered if these have transitions.) > > How long is the transition section from flat to 4% and how much rise > does it yield? 2%? 3%? > Is there a formula? > > Many thanks in advance for this information, > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47442	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: DCC!!!

I have ordered from S Hepler, 2 DCC steam engines in the road name of Western Maryland and the B&O. I was torn about getting a Maine Central. And a DCC controller. Don the owner will be in Thailand and Hong Kong for train business for 3 weeks. I bet he comes home before the road bed gets here!! Those on the TCA list and O gaugers, the engines can be seen at www.showcaseline.com . They will have the full sound effects. S has come a long way since 1979 with the re-birth of it by Lionel. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47443	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/17/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47444	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: 471, Horn Questions

Greetings! Am working on getting the horn operational on this unit. The wireing in the unit does not match the diagram in the K-Line Manual. The wires in question come out of the switch lever contact near the speaker .... two instead of the one in the diagram and only one from the switch end truck rivet instead of two. The wires go to the correct places. Should the wire be moved from the switch contact back to the truck rivet? The current wireing does not appear to hinder the operation. Is there something I a missing? Also,there is a vibrator unit .... what does this do in relation to the horn function and is there a correct setting/adjustment for the contact points in this unit? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes from a snow filled west Michigan! Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47445	From: Timboy	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: An S Scale Version of the SD?

Hi Paul, Thank you for posting the link to B&O Modeler online. There are lots of great "how-to" tips & techniques, whether one models the B&O or not. After reading through several issues, I placed an order with Walthers for some items to help me as I learn to model. It's a first- class publication, IMHO. Now, if I can just find all the standard RR names in S-Guage decals. I pick 'n peck my way through Microscale, but I have to be careful. I've ordered their 0 guage decals in the roadname I wanted only to find some of them way too large to use. Some, however, like Conrail and PRR decals, have worked marvelously for me. Not so lucky with Santa Fe or C&NW, tho. I tried buying some CN&W decals off an ebay auction that swears up & down they are S gauge. Nope. They are the same 0 guage ones that Microscale sells. S-Happens, Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47446	From: race944t	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Smoke Units?

I have used Joe's bellows material and it is some great stuff. After the glue dries completely, I would recommend positioning the bellows in the fully closed position for a day to "seat" the material with the folds you desire. This will also show any areas where you might not have fully glued the material as they will "pucker" away from the body or pushrod. "Banker Bill" --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > > I recommend a space age replacement bellows material. > It is what is presently being used in the bellows for > player pianos and the like. It is very lightweight > and higly flexible. Best of all it only costs a > dollar for all the materials that you need to repair a > bellows unit. Sold exclusively by Joe's Train Repair. > > Joe > > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471- 2613 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572- 9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers > American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line > joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47447	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!!!

DCC SHS 2-8-0's are the real deal and clearly everything Don had in mind for his first steamer to deliver. You will enjoy them. The AC Locomatic version by comparison is painful to listen to and operate. I first bought two AC/LM versions, but converted both of them. My WM is now DCC. My MEC TMCC.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47448	From: Andrew	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: looking for parts

looking for parts American flyer diesel #470 Armature /w worm gears American flyer diesel #375 square pick up shoes can some post an audio file of what a #471 B-Unit is supposed to sound like. Mine barley makes any noise I think that paper speaker needs to be replaced. If you have any of these parts and would like to sell contact me at A4S8B7@... Thanks Andy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47449	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Bellows material

Thanks for the comments. I have a sample comming from him to test its suitability as a passenger car diaphram material. Have fun! Bill Winans I have used Joe's bellows material and it is some great stuff. After the glue dries completely, I would recommend positioning the bellows in the fully closed position for a day to "seat" the material with the folds you desire. This will also show any areas where you might not have fully glued the material as they will "pucker" away from the body or pushrod. "Banker Bill"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47450	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/17/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47451	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!!!

Thanks! That one big step in my layout. But one small step of many steps to go! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: sgaugian To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: DCC!!! DCC SHS 2-8-0's are the real deal and clearly everything Don had in mind for his first steamer to deliver. You will enjoy them. The AC Locomatic version by comparison is painful to listen to and operate. I first bought two AC/LM versions, but converted both of them. My WM is now DCC. My MEC TMCC. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47452	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: York Hotels

It has been written that some of you think that during York, the hotels rates are pushed up. Well, I can tell you that I just made a hotel reservation for August 9th at the Comfort Inn in York. I will be attending a baseball game at the new York baseball stadium for the York Revolution. The rate I am paying in August is 115.95 and the rate I have at the same hotel for a April York is 98. As far as I can tell there is nothing going on in York that weekend in August. So, rates can be higher for other dates than during York. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47453	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!!!

Dear Mike and Linda,    A nice toasty 82 today.  Took the sky train to the Siam Paragon Mall where I am at a internet cafe checking e-mail.  I have 192 messages.  Yikes, I gotta get back to checking. Best, Don   Thanks! That one big step in my layout. But one small step of many steps to go! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: sgaugian To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: DCC!!! DCC SHS 2-8-0's are the real deal and clearly everything Don had in mind for his first steamer to deliver. You will enjoy them. The AC Locomatic version by comparison is painful to listen to and operate. I first bought two AC/LM versions, but converted both of them. My WM is now DCC. My MEC TMCC. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47454	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!!!

Now, now lets be fair.  Our Tsunami is 16 bit sound and the latest in microtechnology from Soundtraxx.  Our Locomatic version's sound is not quite as clear, but does not need a DCC system to operate, can be used with a AC transformer and with a $69 ten buttton controller, can be used with TMCC which our DCC version cannot.  But, our DCC version now outsells the LM. Best regards from Bangkok, Don PS  Nice toasty 82 degrees today.  Much better than the below freezing I left in NJ.   DCC SHS 2-8-0's are the real deal ....The AC Locomatic version by comparison is ... scribe Recent Activity *  3 New Members*  4 New Photos*  1 New PollsVisit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of Yahoo! Groups. Best of Y! Groups Discover groups that are the best of their class. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47455	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!!!

If the AC/LM 2-8-0's had a better sounding whistle and chuff (perhaps less B&O prototypical, but at least more universally fun to run) I know several other S-gaugers who would have purchased (and probably would still purchase) the AC/LM model. Food for thought. It's great looking no one argues that, just sounds weird - - the whistle grunts/growls oddly, and at half-speed or higher its chuff is like a horse galloping.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47456	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!!!

Don, Glad to hear you had a safe trip. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: don@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: DCC!!! Dear Mike and Linda, A nice toasty 82 today. Took the sky train to the Siam Paragon Mall where I am at a internet cafe checking e-mail. I have 192 messages. Yikes, I gotta get back to checking. Best, Don Thanks! That one big step in my layout. But one small step of many steps to go! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: sgaugian To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: DCC!!! DCC SHS 2-8-0's are the real deal and clearly everything Don had in mind for his first steamer to deliver. You will enjoy them. The AC Locomatic version by comparison is painful to listen to and operate. I first bought two AC/LM versions, but converted both of them. My WM is now DCC. My MEC TMCC. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47457	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Joe's bellows material

Not only is this a good for SIT bellows. Very carefully cut strips ( 1/16 " +/- dependent on wheel width ) glued to one drive wheel on each side makes an excellent pul-mor wheel. Clean wheel, Use instant glue. Do not overlap, cut joint at a 45 deg. Jerry HR77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47458	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: SIT Bellows material & Car Diaphram material

Hi all, Not to argue with Joe, but the great player piano cloth material for the SIT bellows is also available from most any of "us" player piano enthusiasts. And YES, it is the best for SIT units, as is old fashioned hot hide glue, but I don't expect eveyone to have a glue pot and the glue crystals. I suspect that umbrella cloth would be better for the car diaphram material, as it has an appropriat texture to it, and should be even more flexible, if it 's thin. I do get a bit disconcerted when I read about "use this or that" as a substitute material for the SIT bellows, as the original stuff was player piano pnuematic cloth, and it should be replaced with the same thing, which does a really wonderful job--you can't believe the amount of smoke you'll get out of a correctly rebuilt unit! And yes, you do need to prefold the "creases" before installing the new unit, just like one has to do when recovering player piano pnuematics. BTW, I suggest folding the top and bottom in first so the folds that stick out a little are on the sides, not the top and bottom where they will likely rub against the smoke unit frame and wear prematurely. Getting off smoke box! S' David Dewey SAVE THE DELTA QUEEN! www.save-the-delta-queen.org Help save this American Icon, it IS up to you! Write congress to support H. R. 3852 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47459	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Spray paint to match Flyonel SP colors ?

Does anyone know of a spray paint that matches the SP red and orange colors used on the Flyonel passenger set from around 1980. This is a pretty set but the colors are off from the actual SP colors and consequently the traditional railroad paints do not match. - Earl Henry, Music City **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47460	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Joe's bellows material

Dear Mr. Dobbs, Sorry, I missed the original post but am interested in the wheel application. What was the material? Thanks! Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47461	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?

Is anyone familiar with Gilbert part number P18N036, a GE T-4-1/2 clear screw-base bulb? It is nothing I have ever seen before, or seen reference to, but it is definitely a Gilbert bulb. I recently came across a box of almost 500 of these bulbs, still in the original shipping box to the AC Gilbert Company. The bulbs shipped from the GE Nela Park Plant in Cleveland, OH. It apperas that they date from 1956 or later. The bulbs are stamped "GE" and "AR3" on the globe, in black. This is quite a tall bulb, with what looks like a small metal "miner's hat" sitting atop the filament. A label from the box indiactes ".......The lamp contained herin is designed primarily for a special service other than illumination." I am wondering if it was a bulb for the Atomic Energy sets????? If so, anyone need over 450 of them???? Doug Peck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47462	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: MTH Coal Loader Again

Just a little info on the MTH #785 Coal Loader. The model number on the first production run was 30-9043. Everyone knows that this production run operated too slowly. Many have replaced the brass pulley with an aftermarket pulley that will make it operate at about the same speed as the original #785 by Gilbert. MTH has remedied this problem with it's latest production run. The model number on this coal loader is 30-9158. It operates at the same speed as the original Gilbert #785. Just thought you would like to know, MTH never mentioned this when they made this improvement. Harwood **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47463	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?

How about a photo? Bill Drake --- Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: > Is anyone familiar with Gilbert part number P18N036, > a GE T-4-1/2 clear > screw-base bulb? > It is nothing I have ever seen before, or seen > reference to, but it is > definitely a Gilbert bulb. I recently came across a > box of almost 500 > of these bulbs, still in the original shipping box > to the AC Gilbert > Company. > The bulbs shipped from the GE Nela Park Plant in > Cleveland, OH. It > apperas that they date from 1956 or later. > The bulbs are stamped "GE" and "AR3" on the globe, > in black. > This is quite a tall bulb, with what looks like a > small metal "miner's > hat" sitting atop the filament. > A label from the box indiactes ".......The lamp > contained herin is > designed primarily for a special service other than > illumination." > I am wondering if it was a bulb for the Atomic > Energy sets????? > If so, anyone need over 450 of them???? > > Doug Peck > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47464	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: For sale: hard-to-find "American Flyer Lines" version of the #734 bo

This is the hard-to-find version lettered "American Flyer Lines" made only in 1954. It does operate, opening the door and pushing out its load. There is no rust on the frame and only light discoloration on the door glides. All the pins that hold the shell on the frame are in place. The wheels are clean. The silver journal boxes are discolored, but the trucks are otherwise in excellent condition. Like all 1954 trucks, the detail in the springs is light because Gilbert's dies were wearing out. It has been converted to knuckle couplers and both work. Its overall condition is not quite up to TCA Excellent, but is well above the typical Very Good car. Sorry, I don't have the box, nor the milk cans or box loads it carried. TrainTracker lists Excellent at $200 and VG at $140. Greenberg doesn't distinguish this variation from other 734s. Shipping cost will be actual cost, and I will happily ship items together to minimize shipping costs. I accept PayPal, personal and bank checks, and money orders. High quality pictures are on my website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html While you're there, check out the other eight freight cars I have up for sale. Bob --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47466	From: pab11147	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: NETCA S Gauge 2006 Indian Motorcycle

Hello all! I am looking to buy the above referenced freight car . Does anyone have one for sale or know of one? Thanks in advance. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47467	From: CAMPER279	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: MTH Coal Loader Again

That is Nice to know Jeff L In a message dated 02/18/08 21:06:43 Eastern Standard Time, HOwingsiii writes: Just a little info on the MTH #785 Coal Loader. The model number on the first production run was 30-9043. Everyone knows that this production run operated too slowly. Many have replaced the brass pulley with an aftermarket pulley that will make it operate at about the same speed as the original #785 by Gilbert. MTH has remedied this problem with it's latest production run. The model number on this coal loader is 30-9158. It operates at the same speed as the original Gilbert #785. Just thought you would like to know, MTH never mentioned this when they made this improvement. Harwood **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47468	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: NETCA S Gauge 2006 Indian Motorcycle

Hi Paul, These occasionally pop up on eBay. Opening price is at least $250 and they sell upwards of $500. The last one on eBay had an opening bid of $400 and received no bids thus did not sell. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pab11147" <pab1147@...> wrote: > > Hello all! > > I am looking to buy the above referenced freight car . Does anyone have > one for sale or know of one? > > Thanks in advance. > > Paul >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47469	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: NEW VIDEO ON TOMS TURNOUTS - HOW THEY WORK

Allen, your videos on Tom's Turnouts are wonderful. Thank you ! - Earl Henry, Music City ================================================================== In a message dated 2/19/2008 3:43:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, allen.evans@... writes: As promised, I have produced a second home made video on Tom's Turnouts. You may view the video by copy and pasting into your web browser the following address: _http://youtube.http://youhttp://youtub_ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=t72GbBEGZVQ) Before you start thinking it, I have not been paid by nor do I represent Toms Turnouts. I simply want to help other modelers become familiar with this 21st century product and explain how it works. POINTS: 1. Toms Turnouts are the only ready-to-run turnouts for operation with ALL wheel sets. I use code 110 and code 125 wheels. Friends come over with AF wheels. Toms supports them all. 2. Toms Turnouts now come DCC READY out of the box. Not inserts to install, no wiring to do. Just connect the rail joiners and a ground throw and go. 3. The specific turnouts I am using are #6''s and 8's. These turnouts are made of SHS track and connect to my layout, which is all SHS flextrack. However, you can get Toms Turnouts in American Models "AM" track as well. Both tracks do exactly the same thing, but I just think SHS looks better. Thanks Guy"S" ! W. Allen Evans NMRA NASG CCSG / Crescent City S-Gaugers New Orleans, Louisiana [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47470	From: Timboy	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: New Project

Hi Folks, I am in the middle of kitbashing some old New Haven pax cars and re- assigning them to the PRR. Here is a link to this work-in-progress: http://home.att.net/~timboy/MyTrainLayout.html I decided to go for more of an "old time" look in the pax cars for a "tourist line" on my fledgling RR. As you can see, my second effort is a little different from my first, but I think I will leave them that way and duplicate the second effort on 3-4 more cars to make up the series. I also learned that - for runners - a little bit of detailing goes a long way. That K5 is also completely re-painted and re-assigned to the PRR. It runs on DCC. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47471	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965

I concur. The AC Locomatic version sounds in the Consol are simply dreadful! SHS should address this shortcoming in what is otherwise a very nice engine. Telling one to adopt DCC is not an acceptable answer. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/18/2008 6:37:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: The AC Locomatic version by comparison is painful to listen to and operate. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47472	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Incandescent Death Throes

In a message dated 02/16/2008 10:26:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, druvnik@... writes: After checking several sites, I have to say I'm very happy with what our replacements will be. No more melting switch lanterns, cabeese with smoke, cabeese in CC mode, etc. But it looks like Standard gage still won't have appropriately sized bulbs for the headlamps-a situation that has been for some time-the biggest bulbs are still too dinky for most locos. I am always happiest with a find when it has a vintage bulb that still works! What I plan on doing is to replace the bulbs in all my Flyer passenger cars to LED and using them on my wide gage locomotives. If anyone knows of a source for the pre-war sized headlamps in either filament or LED, please let me know?-TYIA-John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47473	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Incandescent Death Throes

We have 8 of them with screw base, but none with bayonet. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/16/2008 10:26:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, druvnik@... writes: After checking several sites, I have to say I'm very happy with what our replacements will be. No more melting switch lanterns, cabeese with smoke, cabeese in CC mode, etc. But it looks like Standard gage still won't have appropriately sized bulbs for the headlamps-a situation that has been for some time-the biggest bulbs are still too dinky for most locos. I am always happiest with a find when it has a vintage bulb that still works! What I plan on doing is to replace the bulbs in all my Flyer passenger cars to LED and using them on my wide gage locomotives. If anyone knows of a source for the pre-war sized headlamps in either filament or LED, please let me know?-TYIA-John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47474	From: Chuck Bukauskas	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: NEW VIDEO ON TOMS TURNOUTS - HOW THEY WORK

just saw your video below... Thank you for sharing. Found it most informative and educational.. Chuck Bukauskas Cordova,Tn --- Allen Evans <allen.evans@...> wrote: > As promised, I have produced a second home made > video on Tom's Turnouts. > You may view the video by copy and pasting into > your web browser the > following address: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=t72GbBEGZVQ > > > Before you start thinking it, I have not been > paid by nor do I represent > Toms Turnouts. I simply want to help other > modelers become familiar > with this 21st century product and explain how > it works. > > POINTS: > 1. Toms Turnouts are the only ready-to-run > turnouts for operation with > ALL wheel sets. I use code 110 and code 125 > wheels. Friends come over > with AF wheels. Toms supports them all. > > 2. Toms Turnouts now come DCC READY out of the > box. Not inserts to > install, no wiring to do. Just connect the > rail joiners and a ground > throw and go. > > 3. The specific turnouts I am using are #6''s > and 8's. These turnouts > are made of SHS track and connect to my layout, > which is all SHS > flextrack. However, you can get Toms Turnouts > in American Models "AM" > track as well. Both tracks do exactly the > same thing, but I just think > SHS looks better. > > Thanks Guy"S" ! > > > W. Allen Evans > NMRA > NASG > CCSG / Crescent City S-Gaugers > New Orleans, Louisiana > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47475	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: New Project

Tim, Thanks for posting the pics. I am about to start the same project and thanks to you I can see how it will turn out before I start! Tim On 2/19/08, Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I am in the middle of kitbashing some old New Haven pax cars and re- > assigning them to the PRR. Here is a link to this work-in-progress: > > http://home.att.net/~timboy/MyTrainLayout.html > > I decided to go for more of an "old time" look in the pax cars for > a "tourist line" on my fledgling RR. As you can see, my second > effort is a little different from my first, but I think I will leave > them that way and duplicate the second effort on 3-4 more cars to > make up the series. > > I also learned that - for runners - a little bit of detailing goes a > long way. > > That K5 is also completely re-painted and re-assigned to the PRR. It > runs on DCC. > > S-Happens! > Tim Brown > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47476	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965

Is it the B&O whistle sounds or other sounds that you describe as dreadful? - Earl Henry ========================================================== In a message dated 2/19/2008 4:59:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, rbubeck327@... writes: I concur. The AC Locomatic version sounds in the Consol are simply dreadful! SHS should address this shortcoming in what is otherwise a very nice engine. Telling one to adopt DCC is not an acceptable answer. Bob Bubeck **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47477	From: Timboy	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: New Project

Hi Tim, I hope you will be able to post a pic or two of your project when completed. I bought the PRR decals from Microscale. I think I favor the one that covers more of the roof line. It's a pax car decal. The smaller decal on the other one is a loco decal. I actually like it's color better, but it doesn't quite match the numbering and car name. They are O gauge decals, as are the ones on the K5. I gave the cars three coats of Microscale's satin finish - with my airbrush, after the decals were set. I think I should re-iterate my feeling about detailing. Detailing is a personal decision. Use minimal detail or super detail if you want. However, with me it's a question of how much time will a given detail take vs. where could that time be directed elsewhere on my RR for a larger impact. I'm thinking that the super detailing can come much later when all the hard labor is done and I'm older. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47478	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965

Earl I think just about everyone thinks the Locomatic Whistle and sounds are bad, while they do not match the DCC sounds, the whistle sounds a good bit like the Western Maryland Consolidation at Cumberland! I am glad that Don and the Showcaseline are going the route of the DCC program. Jerry Matsick tennsgauge@... wrote: Is it the B&O whistle sounds or other sounds that you describe as dreadful? - Earl Henry ========================================================== In a message dated 2/19/2008 4:59:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, rbubeck327@... writes: I concur. The AC Locomatic version sounds in the Consol are simply dreadful! SHS should address this shortcoming in what is otherwise a very nice engine. Telling one to adopt DCC is not an acceptable answer. Bob Bubeck **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47479	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: DCC! digest 3965

We have various control and sound systems availible now. TMCC and DCS are fighting it out in O gauge, 3 rail. DCC is standardized in all the smaller scales and O two rail. While buyers of Flyonel are lining up to use TMCC, the "scale" side of the hobby is going DCC. More and more Hi-railers are looking toward DCC as well. I can see the near future being split between TMCC for those who run AC power, and DCC being the choice of DC operators. From my own experiance with DC power, and having heard the fantastic Tsunami sounds in a Bachmann On30 Forney loco, I'd go DCC if I ever build a layout big enough to need it. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47480	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965

Hi, When I was asking Don about his engines and the systems, he told me that the Locomatic engines are no where near to how the DCC engines are in sound and whatever else they do. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Matsick To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DCC!! - Digest Number 3965 Earl I think just about everyone thinks the Locomatic Whistle and sounds are bad, while they do not match the DCC sounds, the whistle sounds a good bit like the Western Maryland Consolidation at Cumberland! I am glad that Don and the Showcaseline are going the route of the DCC program. Jerry Matsick tennsgauge@... wrote: Is it the B&O whistle sounds or other sounds that you describe as dreadful? - Earl Henry ========================================================== In a message dated 2/19/2008 4:59:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, rbubeck327@... writes: I concur. The AC Locomatic version sounds in the Consol are simply dreadful! SHS should address this shortcoming in what is otherwise a very nice engine. Telling one to adopt DCC is not an acceptable answer. Bob Bubeck **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47481	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Ray Ellen contact

Ray Ellen - your spam filter is blocking my emails now. Please add me to your approved list. I am also confirming the tender cost is fine - please contact me again off the board when shipping cost established. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47484	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?

Updated info....So far, I have learned that this bulb was definitely not part of the Atomic Energy sets. I also looked more closely at the lettering on the globe, and I believe it is marked "4R-3", not "AR-3" as I first thought. The bulb measures 1-1/2" tall, and ¾" wide......larger base than the miniature screw bases of most Gilbert bulbs. I tried applying both 9 volts, and then 15 volts, to one bulb; it did absolutely nothing.....no light, no glow, nothing. Although new, it may be a bad bulb. I need to try a couple other bulbs and see what happens, if anything. Finally, the reason I pegged these at 1956 or later is that the label (which I quoted) on the box is marked "Form 453-8158 6-56" . Still seeking more info on these unusual bulbs. Maybe I'll take this box to York this spring for the "Unusual Items" submissions ! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data\Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data\Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47485	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?

In the early 60's I had a Gilbert chemistry set that had a UV light to feature some of the phosphorescent chemicals. It plugged into 110AC. Just a thought. Tim Benner On 2/20/08, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: > > Updated info....So far, I have learned that this bulb was definitely not > part of the Atomic Energy sets. I also looked more closely at the lettering > on the globe, and I believe it is marked "4R-3", not "AR-3" as I first > thought. The bulb measures 1-1/2" tall, and ¾" wide......larger base than > the miniature screw bases of most Gilbert bulbs. I tried applying both 9 > volts, and then 15 volts, to one bulb; it did absolutely nothing.....no > light, no glow, nothing. Although new, it may be a bad bulb. I need to try a > couple other bulbs and see what happens, if anything. > > Finally, the reason I pegged these at 1956 or later is that the label > (which I quoted) on the box is marked "Form 453-8158 6-56" . > > Still seeking more info on these unusual bulbs. > > Maybe I'll take this box to York this spring for the "Unusual Items" > submissions ! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data\Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> > > www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data\Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> > > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47486	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: New Project

Tim, I'll post a pic of the whole train when it is done. Like Stumpy I am a scavenger. With 2 almost college-aged boys I need to be frugal. The 650s were had at 3 for $15 and the peeling 356 for $60. The coaches needed a lot of body work but at those prices I am not afraid to take a razor saw to one to make an observation car. Your observation car is both proof of concept and a great motivator for me. One coach is finished except for decals. It was unlighted but now is lit by 3 super-bright yellow LEDs on a small circuit board with a rectifier & voltage regulator. They have constant lighting thanks to a Big capacitor. The engine had no brushes or springs, but now that it has been reconditioned, runs great. There is much to do with bodywork and painting there too. The plan is to make a matching tuscan set with "Fleet of Modernism" stripes and lettering. I do realize that PRR never painted their Torpedo Pacifics tuscan but as Bob Ross says, "in your world it can be what ever you want." So the B&O prototype streamliner will be a PRR streamliner on my railroad. I try to approach it as I envision ACG would have done. AF made fairly scale models but they're still toy trains. That leaves more to the imagination. No super-detailing for me. Been there and done that in HO. Right now my "layout" is an oval on the rec room floor and I am having more fun with it than I ever had with HO. The only real estate I'll get for a layout in this house is the perimeter of the rec room... from the ceiling to 12" down. So we won't have much in the way of scenery or elevation changes but I'll get a nice long double loop with sidings. There is a 7 foot mantle to cross so I have made some 3 1/2 foot art deco towers which will support an arch deck bridge. I'll post some pics of that when it is complete as it represents many, many hours of work to make it functional, "railroady" and decorative. It is Lionel Hell's Gate bridge colors and the arch structure, although below the deck, is similar the the Lionel structure. Once the boys have moved on I may have the room to build a version of one of the AF showroom layouts. There is a track plan posted somewhere on line and it is brilliant for running toy trains. When you have a minute, please let me know what brand of tuscan paint you used. It looks perfect. Regards, Tim Benner On 2/19/08, Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > I hope you will be able to post a pic or two of your project when > completed. I bought the PRR decals from Microscale. I think I favor > the one that covers more of the roof line. It's a pax car decal. The > smaller decal on the other one is a loco decal. I actually like it's > color better, but it doesn't quite match the numbering and car name. > They are O gauge decals, as are the ones on the K5. I gave the cars > three coats of Microscale's satin finish - with my airbrush, after the > decals were set. > > I think I should re-iterate my feeling about detailing. Detailing is a > personal decision. Use minimal detail or super detail if you want. > However, with me it's a question of how much time will a given detail > take vs. where could that time be directed elsewhere on my RR for a > larger impact. I'm thinking that the super detailing can come much > later when all the hard labor is done and I'm older. > > S-Happens! > Tim Brown > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47487	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?

It certainly belongs at the 'Flyernut' meeting on Thursday night. -Clay Buckage --- Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: > Maybe I'll take this box to York this spring for the > "Unusual Items" submissions ! > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47488	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?

Doug- Could be a bulb for illumination of samples on the microscope. Bill --- Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: > Updated info....So far, I have learned that this > bulb was definitely not part of the Atomic Energy > sets. I also looked more closely at the lettering on > the globe, and I believe it is marked "4R-3", not > "AR-3" as I first thought. The bulb measures 1-1/2" > tall, and ¾" wide......larger base than the > miniature screw bases of most Gilbert bulbs. I tried > applying both 9 volts, and then 15 volts, to one > bulb; it did absolutely nothing.....no light, no > glow, nothing. Although new, it may be a bad bulb. I > need to try a couple other bulbs and see what > happens, if anything. > > Finally, the reason I pegged these at 1956 or later > is that the label (which I quoted) on the box is > marked "Form 453-8158 6-56" . > > Still seeking more info on these unusual bulbs. > > Maybe I'll take this box to York this spring for the > "Unusual Items" submissions ! > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data\Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> > > www.flyerparts.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data\Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> > > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, > Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47489	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: DCC! - Digest Number 3967

The whistle is tolerable, but the chuffing sound is just plain awful. In all fairness, one can selection 4 chuffs/rev, but what good it is when the chuff sounds like sand paper in use. The sound of flatulence generated when one cuts the power to the engine is a hoot, too. Railsounds (chuff and whistle) in the L-AF Northern is much more listenable, not to mention RS5.0 of the L-AF Mikes and Pacifics with Dynachuff, etc. The improvement gained with the Tsunami board indicates that the problem is not intriniscially related to tender acoustics, DCC, etc. but rather that the AC sound board is just woefully sub par. SHS would sell more Consolidations to the conventional crowd, if this weakness was addressed, IMHO. Bob Bubeck >> Posted by: "tennsgauge@..." tennsgauge@... tennsgauger Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:57 pm (PST) Is it the B&O whistle sounds or other sounds that you describe as dreadful? - Earl Henry ========================================================== In a message dated 2/19/2008 4:59:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, rbubeck327@... writes: I concur. The AC Locomatic version sounds in the Consol are simply dreadful! SHS should address this shortcoming in what is otherwise a very nice engine. Telling one to adopt DCC is not an acceptable answer. Bob Bubeck << S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Messages In This Digest (17 Messages) 1a. Re: MTH Coal Loader Again From: CAMPER279 2a. Re: NETCA S Gauge  2006 Indian Motorcycle From: Bull_Gator_1 3a. Re: NEW VIDEO ON TOMS TURNOUTS - HOW THEY WORK From: tennsgauge@... 3b. Re: NEW VIDEO ON TOMS TURNOUTS - HOW THEY WORK From: Chuck Bukauskas 3c. TOMS TURNOUTS - NEW VIDEO From: Allen Evans 4a. New Project From: Timboy 4b. Re: New Project From: Tim Benner 4c. Re: New Project From: Timboy 5a. Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965 From: rbubeck327@... 5b. Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965 From: tennsgauge@... 5c. Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965 From: Jerry Matsick 5d. Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965 From: Michael and Linda Marmer 6a. Re: Incandescent Death Throes From: boss31@... 6b. Re: Incandescent Death Throes From: boss31@... 7. DCC!  digest 3965 From: Stumpy Stone 8. Ray Ellen contact From: Alistair McAllister 9. More of my grandfather's books & magazines From: Cynthia Weber View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: MTH Coal Loader Again Posted by: "CAMPER279" camper279@...   camper279 Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:09 am (PST) That is Nice to know Jeff L In a message dated 02/18/08 21:06:43 Eastern Standard Time, HOwingsiii writes: Just a little info on the MTH #785 Coal Loader. The model number on the first production run was 30-9043. Everyone knows that this production run operated too slowly. Many have replaced the brass pulley with an aftermarket pulley that will make it operate at about the same speed as the original #785 by Gilbert. MTH has remedied this problem with it's latest production run. The model number on this coal loader is 30-9158. It operates at the same speed as the original Gilbert #785. Just thought you would like to know, MTH never mentioned this when they made this improvement. Harwood **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos -duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 2a. Re: NETCA S Gauge  2006 Indian Motorcycle Posted by: "Bull_Gator_1" bull_gator_1@...   bull_gator_1 Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:15 am (PST) Hi Paul, These occasionally pop up on eBay. Opening price is at least $250 and they sell upwards of $500. The last one on eBay had an opening bid of $400 and received no bids thus did not sell. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pab11147" > wrote: > > Hello all! > > I am looking to buy the above referenced freight car . Does anyone have > one for sale or know of one? > > Thanks in advance. > > Paul > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 3a. Re: NEW VIDEO ON TOMS TURNOUTS - HOW THEY WORK Posted by: "tennsgauge@..." tennsgauge@...   tennsgauger Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:26 am (PST) Allen, your videos on Tom's Turnouts are wonderful. Thank you ! - Earl Henry, Music City ================================================================== In a message dated 2/19/2008 3:43:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, allen.evans@... writes: As promised, I have produced a second home made video on Tom's Turnouts. You may view the video by copy and pasting into your web browser the following address: _http://youtube.http://youhttp://youtub_ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=t72GbBEGZVQ) Before you start thinking it, I have not been paid by nor do I represent Toms Turnouts. I simply want to help other modelers become familiar with this 21st century product and explain how it works. POINTS: 1. Toms Turnouts are the only ready-to-run turnouts for operation with ALL wheel sets. I use code 110 and code 125 wheels. Friends come over with AF wheels. Toms supports them all. 2. Toms Turnouts now come DCC READY out of the box. Not inserts to install, no wiring to do. Just connect the rail joiners and a ground throw and go. 3. The specific turnouts I am using are #6''s and 8's. These turnouts are made of SHS track and connect to my layout, which is all SHS flextrack. However, you can get Toms Turnouts in American Models "AM" track as well. Both tracks do exactly the same thing, but I just think SHS looks better. Thanks Guy"S" ! W. Allen Evans NMRA NASG CCSG / Crescent City S-Gaugers New Orleans, Louisiana [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos -duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 3b. Re: NEW VIDEO ON TOMS TURNOUTS - HOW THEY WORK Posted by: "Chuck Bukauskas" cbukauskas@...   CBukauskas Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:59 pm (PST) just saw your video below... Thank you for sharing. Found it most informative and educational.. Chuck Bukauskas Cordova,Tn --- Allen Evans allen.evans@...> wrote: > As promised, I have produced a second home made > video on Tom's Turnouts. > You may view the video by copy and pasting into > your web browser the > following address: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=t72GbBEGZVQ > > > Before you start thinking it, I have not been > paid by nor do I represent > Toms Turnouts. I simply want to help other > modelers become familiar > with this 21st century product and explain how > it works. > > POINTS: > 1. Toms Turnouts are the only ready-to-run > turnouts for operation with > ALL wheel sets. I use code 110 and code 125 > wheels. Friends come over > with AF wheels. Toms supports them all. > > 2. Toms Turnouts now come DCC READY out of the > box. Not inserts to > install, no wiring to do. Just connect the > rail joiners and a ground > throw and go. > > 3. The specific turnouts I am using are #6''s > and 8's. These turnouts > are made of SHS track and connect to my layout, > which is all SHS > flextrack. However, you can get Toms Turnouts > in American Models "AM" > track as well. Both tracks do exactly the > same thing, but I just think > SHS looks better. > > Thanks Guy"S" ! > > > W. Allen Evans > NMRA > NASG > CCSG / Crescent City S-Gaugers > New Orleans, Louisiana > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 3c. TOMS TURNOUTS - NEW VIDEO Posted by: "Allen Evans" allen.evans@...   alevans51 Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:39 pm (PST) Thanks Earl, I just ordered some more of those turnouts as I expand the layout. I can't see using anything else for my layout. These new turnouts work right out of the box; no adjustments required. When the hurricane cme through Louisiana, all the old American Models turnouts had to be thrown away becasue of the corroding points joint. But the Toms Turnouts were completely unaffected, and are still in service. They are immune to oxide and have no rivets to rot. Here is the video for you friends to see - http://youtube.com/watch?v=t72GbBEGZVQ W. Allen Evans Crescent City S Gaugers New Orleans NMRA / NASG --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > Allen, your videos on Tom's Turnouts are wonderful. Thank you ! - Earl > Henry, Music City > ================================================================== > > > In a message dated 2/19/2008 3:43:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, > allen.evans@... writes: > > > > > As promised, I have produced a second home made video on Tom's Turnouts. > You may view the video by copy and pasting into your web browser the > following address: > > _http://youtube.http://youhttp://youtub_ > (http://youtube.com/watch?v=t72GbBEGZVQ) > > Before you start thinking it, I have not been paid by nor do I represent > Toms Turnouts. I simply want to help other modelers become familiar > with this 21st century product and explain how it works. > > POINTS: > 1. Toms Turnouts are the only ready-to-run turnouts for operation with > ALL wheel sets. I use code 110 and code 125 wheels. Friends come over > with AF wheels. Toms supports them all. > > 2. Toms Turnouts now come DCC READY out of the box. Not inserts to > install, no wiring to do. Just connect the rail joiners and a ground > throw and go. > > 3. The specific turnouts I am using are #6''s and 8's. These turnouts > are made of SHS track and connect to my layout, which is all SHS > flextrack. However, you can get Toms Turnouts in American Models "AM" > track as well. Both tracks do exactly the same thing, but I just think > SHS looks better. > > Thanks Guy"S" ! > > W. Allen Evans > NMRA > NASG > CCSG / Crescent City S-Gaugers > New Orleans, Louisiana > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos -duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 4a. New Project Posted by: "Timboy" Timboy@...   timstrains2000 Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:41 am (PST) Hi Folks, I am in the middle of kitbashing some old New Haven pax cars and re- assigning them to the PRR. Here is a link to this work-in-progress: http://home.att.net/~timboy/MyTrainLayout.html I decided to go for more of an "old time" look in the pax cars for a "tourist line" on my fledgling RR. As you can see, my second effort is a little different from my first, but I think I will leave them that way and duplicate the second effort on 3-4 more cars to make up the series. I also learned that - for runners - a little bit of detailing goes a long way. That K5 is also completely re-painted and re-assigned to the PRR. It runs on DCC. S-Happens! Tim Brown Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 4b. Re: New Project Posted by: "Tim Benner" tim.benner@...   tbennerohio Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:00 pm (PST) Tim, Thanks for posting the pics. I am about to start the same project and thanks to you I can see how it will turn out before I start! Tim On 2/19/08, Timboy Timboy@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I am in the middle of kitbashing some old New Haven pax cars and re- > assigning them to the PRR. Here is a link to this work-in-progress: > > http://home.att.net/~timboy/MyTrainLayout.html > > I decided to go for more of an "old time" look in the pax cars for > a "tourist line" on my fledgling RR. As you can see, my second > effort is a little different from my first, but I think I will leave > them that way and duplicate the second effort on 3-4 more cars to > make up the series. > > I also learned that - for runners - a little bit of detailing goes a > long way. > > That K5 is also completely re-painted and re-assigned to the PRR. It > runs on DCC. > > S-Happens! > Tim Brown > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 4c. Re: New Project Posted by: "Timboy" Timboy@...   timstrains2000 Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:57 pm (PST) Hi Tim, I hope you will be able to post a pic or two of your project when completed. I bought the PRR decals from Microscale. I think I favor the one that covers more of the roof line. It's a pax car decal. The smaller decal on the other one is a loco decal. I actually like it's color better, but it doesn't quite match the numbering and car name. They are O gauge decals, as are the ones on the K5. I gave the cars three coats of Microscale's satin finish - with my airbrush, after the decals were set. I think I should re-iterate my feeling about detailing. Detailing is a personal decision. Use minimal detail or super detail if you want. However, with me it's a question of how much time will a given detail take vs. where could that time be directed elsewhere on my RR for a larger impact. I'm thinking that the super detailing can come much later when all the hard labor is done and I'm older. S-Happens! Tim Brown Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 5a. Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965 Posted by: "rbubeck327@..." rbubeck327@...   lionely6b Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:59 pm (PST) I concur. The AC Locomatic version sounds in the Consol are simply dreadful! SHS should address this shortcoming in what is otherwise a very nice engine. Telling one to adopt DCC is not an acceptable answer. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/18/2008 6:37:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: The AC Locomatic version by comparison is painful to listen to and operate. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos -duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 5b. Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965 Posted by: "tennsgauge@..." tennsgauge@...   tennsgauger Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:57 pm (PST) Is it the B&O whistle sounds or other sounds that you describe as dreadful? - Earl Henry ========================================================== In a message dated 2/19/2008 4:59:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, rbubeck327@... writes: I concur. The AC Locomatic version sounds in the Consol are simply dreadful! SHS should address this shortcoming in what is otherwise a very nice engine. Telling one to adopt DCC is not an acceptable answer. Bob Bubeck **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos -duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 5c. Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965 Posted by: "Jerry Matsick" jpmatsick@...   jpmatsick Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:33 pm (PST) Earl I think just about everyone thinks the Locomatic Whistle and sounds are bad, while they do not match the DCC sounds, the whistle sounds a good bit like the Western Maryland Consolidation at Cumberland! I am glad that Don and the Showcaseline are going the route of the DCC program. Jerry Matsick tennsgauge@... wrote: Is it the B&O whistle sounds or other sounds that you describe as dreadful? - Earl Henry ========================================================== In a message dated 2/19/2008 4:59:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, rbubeck327@... writes: I concur. The AC Locomatic version sounds in the Consol are simply dreadful! SHS should address this shortcoming in what is otherwise a very nice engine. Telling one to adopt DCC is not an acceptable answer. Bob Bubeck **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos -duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 5d. Re: DCC!! - Digest Number 3965 Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@...   mlmarmer2000 Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:29 pm (PST) Hi, When I was asking Don about his engines and the systems, he told me that the Locomatic engines are no where near to how the DCC engines are in sound and whatever else they do. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Matsick To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DCC!! - Digest Number 3965 Earl I think just about everyone thinks the Locomatic Whistle and sounds are bad, while they do not match the DCC sounds, the whistle sounds a good bit like the Western Maryland Consolidation at Cumberland! I am glad that Don and the Showcaseline are going the route of the DCC program. Jerry Matsick tennsgauge@... wrote: Is it the B&O whistle sounds or other sounds that you describe as dreadful? - Earl Henry ========================================================== In a message dated 2/19/2008 4:59:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, rbubeck327@... writes: I concur. The AC Locomatic version sounds in the Consol are simply dreadful! SHS should address this shortcoming in what is otherwise a very nice engine. Telling one to adopt DCC is not an acceptable answer. Bob Bubeck **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos -duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 6a. Re: Incandescent Death Throes Posted by: "boss31@..." boss31@...   snstrains Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:59 pm (PST) In a message dated 02/16/2008 10:26:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, druvnik@... writes: After checking several sites, I have to say I'm very happy with what our replacements will be. No more melting switch lanterns, cabeese with smoke, cabeese in CC mode, etc. But it looks like Standard gage still won't have appropriately sized bulbs for the headlamps-a situation that has been for some time-the biggest bulbs are still too dinky for most locos. I am always happiest with a find when it has a vintage bulb that still works! What I plan on doing is to replace the bulbs in all my Flyer passenger cars to LED and using them on my wide gage locomotives. If anyone knows of a source for the pre-war sized headlamps in either filament or LED, please let me know?-TYIA-John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos -duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 6b. Re: Incandescent Death Throes Posted by: "boss31@..." boss31@...   snstrains Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:59 pm (PST) We have 8 of them with screw base, but none with bayonet. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/16/2008 10:26:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, druvnik@... writes: After checking several sites, I have to say I'm very happy with what our replacements will be. No more melting switch lanterns, cabeese with smoke, cabeese in CC mode, etc. But it looks like Standard gage still won't have appropriately sized bulbs for the headlamps-a situation that has been for some time-the biggest bulbs are still too dinky for most locos. I am always happiest with a find when it has a vintage bulb that still works! What I plan on doing is to replace the bulbs in all my Flyer passenger cars to LED and using them on my wide gage locomotives. If anyone knows of a source for the pre-war sized headlamps in either filament or LED, please let me know?-TYIA-John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos -duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 7. DCC!  digest 3965 Posted by: "Stumpy Stone" mrstumpy@...   mrstumpy50 Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:29 pm (PST) We have various control and sound systems availible now. TMCC and DCS are fighting it out in O gauge, 3 rail. DCC is standardized in all the smaller scales and O two rail. While buyers of Flyonel are lining up to use TMCC, the "scale" side of the hobby is going DCC. More and more Hi-railers are looking toward DCC as well. I can see the near future being split between TMCC for those who run AC power, and DCC being the choice of DC operators. From my own experiance with DC power, and having heard the fantastic Tsunami sounds in a Bachmann On30 Forney loco, I'd go DCC if I ever build a layout big enough to need it. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...Martins Ferry, OH. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 8. Ray Ellen contact Posted by: "Alistair McAllister" alizoo@...   calleytwo Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:07 pm (PST) Ray Ellen - your spam filter is blocking my emails now. Please add me to your approved list. I am also confirming the tender cost is fine - please contact me again off the board when shipping cost established. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47490	From: John Bevington	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?

Hi Doug, The bulbs may still be a mystery, but the good news is you have cornered the market!! With 500 pieces, you no doubt control the world market for these bulbs. Congratulations! John Bevington Pewaukee, WI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47491	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Height of protective railing??

I am in need of some saged advice on determining the height of a protective railing around the perimeter of my layout. 8' x 12' layout sitting about 40" from the floor. With the number of turnouts (14), confusion is the rule until I become more expert or more attentive. I want to put a railing around the layout to prevent any derailed engines from tumbling to the floor. I want it to be effective, but not overly high. Do not want to detract from the layout by making it higher than necessary. Also, any ideas on what material to use would be appreciated. I just don't want to christen my system "GARR". (Gomez Addams Railroad) Thanks for any help. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47492	From: ekaplan707	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Lionel Big Boy Question

Does anybody know if both engines on the big boy are articulated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47493	From: The LANIERs	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?

Weren't item numbers beginning with just the "P" usually reserved for HO items? paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Gilbert bulb P18N036 ? Updated info....So far, I have learned that this bulb was definitely not part of the Atomic Energy sets. I also looked more closely at the lettering on the globe, and I believe it is marked "4R-3", not "AR-3" as I first thought. The bulb measures 1-1/2" tall, and ¾" wide......larger base than the miniature screw bases of most Gilbert bulbs. I tried applying both 9 volts, and then 15 volts, to one bulb; it did absolutely nothing.....no light, no glow, nothing. Although new, it may be a bad bulb. I need to try a couple other bulbs and see what happens, if anything. Finally, the reason I pegged these at 1956 or later is that the label (which I quoted) on the box is marked "Form 453-8158 6-56" . Still seeking more info on these unusual bulbs. Maybe I'll take this box to York this spring for the "Unusual Items" submissions ! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data\Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data\Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47494	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing??

From Alan Lambert, Hey Paul, The best way I can think of is to use clear lexan or plexiglass for the barrier. You can get it in up to 1/4 inch thick. That is what most train clubs use to keep unwanted fingers from the layout details and rolling stock. It is strong enough to hold anything on the layout from going where you don't want it to. Thanks, Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> wrote: I am in need of some saged advice on determining the height of a protective railing around the perimeter of my layout. 8' x 12' layout sitting about 40" from the floor. With the number of turnouts (14), confusion is the rule until I become more expert or more attentive. I want to put a railing around the layout to prevent any derailed engines from tumbling to the floor. I want it to be effective, but not overly high. Do not want to detract from the layout by making it higher than necessary. Also, any ideas on what material to use would be appreciated. I just don't want to christen my system "GARR". (Gomez Addams Railroad) Thanks for any help. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47495	From: Timboy	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: New Project

Hi Tim, I don't, as a rule, illuminate pax cars. But I like the way you do it and if I did, that is how I would want to do it, too. So thanks for that idea! I work from junque as well, although now-a-days, even junque is high- priced! I think I have enough of a roster anyway. At least I have more junque if I don't. I'll be very interested to see pics of your bridge! Sounds fascinating! Thanks for the compliment. I use Polly Scale PRR Tuscan for my pax cars. There is also a Maroon available, but I haven't tried it because I like the Tuscan. The decals are Microscale PRR Passenger Car #48- 459. The old New Haven shells are very easy to cut down on my band saw, however a fine-tooth handsaw would work just as well. I use 1/16" balsa wood for under the roof overhang and the car ends glue right back on, after I file down the vestibule to simulate a door opening. Some putty and sanding is all it takes before the primer and paint. I like to prime because it shows me where I need additional sanding/putty so I don't waste topcoat paint. Three coats of Microscale satin to protect the decals. OBTW, I moved the new trucks inboard about 3/8" each to balance the look with the overhang. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47496	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy Question

No. 4014 as pictured has a swivel point between numbers 3 and 4 drive axels on the front driver set and between number 1 and 2 drive axels on the rear drive set. I wonder if this is going to create a balance problem when going around curved Flyer track? Obviously I don't know the design issues and constraints, but I think a desire for a little more realism would have caused someone to think to move the pivot points forward to over the first two drive axels on the front drive set and rearward over the last two drive axels on the rear drive set. I think that would be more realistic and prevent any problems with jumpong the tracks. Does anyone know if this engine will run on 40" radius Flyer curves? Does it require the 53" Lionel curves? Just a thought, not a BLOG. I for one am most thankful to Lionel for it. bigfoot ----- Original Message ----- From: ekaplan707 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Big Boy Question Does anybody know if both engines on the big boy are articulated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47497	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing??

Hi Paul -- You didn't say how close the track is to the edge of the table, but if you have the room, you might think about a "scenic" rise between the track and the table edge. Use of lichen or similar "plantings" could soften the impact of any wayward rolling stock... Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ I am in need of some saged advice on determining the height of a protective railing around the perimeter of my layout. 8' x 12' layout sitting about 40" from the floor. With the number of turnouts (14), confusion is the rule until I become more expert or more attentive. I want to put a railing around the layout to prevent any derailed engines from tumbling to the floor. I want it to be effective, but not overly high. Do not want to detract from the layout by making it higher than necessary. Also, any ideas on what material to use would be appreciated. I just don't want to christen my system "GARR". (Gomez Addams Railroad) Thanks for any help. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47498	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy Question

The Lionel Big Boy is based on the K-Line Titan series O gauge Big Boy released in 2002. The K-Line engine was designed to negotiate O- 31 diameter track, so it should run on 40" AF with no problem. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A. E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> wrote: > > No. 4014 as pictured has a swivel point between numbers 3 and 4 drive axels on the front driver set and between number 1 and 2 drive axels on the rear drive set. I wonder if this is going to create a balance problem when going around curved Flyer track? Obviously I don't know the design issues and constraints, but I think a desire for a little more realism would have caused someone to think to move the pivot points forward to over the first two drive axels on the front drive set and rearward over the last two drive axels on the rear drive set. I think that would be more realistic and prevent any problems with jumpong the tracks. Does anyone know if this engine will run on 40" radius Flyer curves? Does it require the 53" Lionel curves? > > Just a thought, not a BLOG. I for one am most thankful to Lionel for it. > > bigfoot > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47499	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: DCC!

Stumpy my man; I agree with thee,,,,, except,,,, don't need no DC to do DCC,,,, my 30B is running my Digitrax DCS200 jest fine. 2 years now without a hitch, so I suspect it's a happy camper. In fact, I've got a dual system, set a couple switches and I can run regular ole ACG stuff. (although I haven't run any for over a year, DCC is just too cool) And up until last week (I sold em), I had locomatic controllers in the mix, so I could run all 3, DCC, AC regular, and AC locomatic. cheers phil d -- regular ole yankee down here in texas --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > We have various control and sound systems availible now. TMCC and > DCS are fighting it out in O gauge, 3 rail. DCC is standardized in all > the smaller scales and O two rail. While buyers of Flyonel are lining > up to use TMCC, the "scale" side of the hobby is going DCC. More and > more Hi-railers are looking toward DCC as well. > I can see the near future being split between TMCC for those who run > AC power, and DCC being the choice of DC operators. > From my own experiance with DC power, and having heard the fantastic > Tsunami sounds in a Bachmann On30 Forney loco, I'd go DCC if I ever > build a layout big enough to need it. > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...Martins Ferry, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47500	From: roy inman	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy Question

I spoke with one of the tech guys at Lionel and he confirmed that the BB will in fact negotiate original Gilbert Flyer curves. He then added that the 54" diameter K-Line stuff they are making would make the engine look better-less overhang. Roy Inman From: srgriggs <sgriggs@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:45:44 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Big Boy Question The Lionel Big Boy is based on the K-Line Titan series O gauge Big Boy released in 2002. The K-Line engine was designed to negotiate O- 31 diameter track, so it should run on 40" AF with no problem. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "A. E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> wrote: > > No. 4014 as pictured has a swivel point between numbers 3 and 4 drive axels on the front driver set and between number 1 and 2 drive axels on the rear drive set. I wonder if this is going to create a balance problem when going around curved Flyer track? Obviously I don't know the design issues and constraints, but I think a desire for a little more realism would have caused someone to think to move the pivot points forward to over the first two drive axels on the front drive set and rearward over the last two drive axels on the rear drive set. I think that would be more realistic and prevent any problems with jumpong the tracks. Does anyone know if this engine will run on 40" radius Flyer curves? Does it require the 53" Lionel curves? > > Just a thought, not a BLOG. I for one am most thankful to Lionel for it. > > bigfoot > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47501	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: New Project

Mr. Tim; Your work is just about the finest, if not the finest, I've seen. Lovely!!! cap'n video --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I am in the middle of kitbashing some old New Haven pax cars and re- > assigning them to the PRR. Here is a link to this work-in-progress: > > http://home.att.net/~timboy/MyTrainLayout.html > > I decided to go for more of an "old time" look in the pax cars for > a "tourist line" on my fledgling RR. As you can see, my second > effort is a little different from my first, but I think I will leave > them that way and duplicate the second effort on 3-4 more cars to > make up the series. > > I also learned that - for runners - a little bit of detailing goes a > long way. > > That K5 is also completely re-painted and re-assigned to the PRR. It > runs on DCC. > > S-Happens! > Tim Brown >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47502	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: DCC

Dear Stump, To me it is odd that DCC would be the choice of DC operators as DCC is hi-frequency AC and not DC. You can use old Flyer transformers as power for DCC. Also, I think that DCC even makes more sense on a smaller layout. Best, Don PS We are now selling more DCC systems to "Flyer" guys than "Scale" people.... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [S-Trains] Re:DCC! digest 3965 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:18:15 -0000 From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com We have various control and sound systems availible now. TMCC and DCS are fighting it out in O gauge, 3 rail. DCC is standardized in all the smaller scales and O two rail. While buyers of Flyonel are lining up to use TMCC, the "scale" side of the hobby is going DCC. More and more Hi-railers are looking toward DCC as well. I can see the near future being split between TMCC for those who run AC power, and DCC being the choice of DC operators. From my own experiance with DC power, and having heard the fantastic Tsunami sounds in a Bachmann On30 Forney loco, I'd go DCC if I ever build a layout big enough to need it. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47503	From: Timboy	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: DCC

Hi Guys, Interesting thread here. I believe you have both touched on the truth. In my case, I went from AC open frame motors to DC can motors in an effort to get better performance and eliminate reverse units, whether mechanical or electrical. In this process, I also went from AC transformers to rectified AC transformers to G-gauge power packs (really just an AC transformer with a rectifier built in). I observed that the performance of my loci had indeed increased due to the DC can motors and became hungry for even more. So I went to DCC and am now very pleased. Thus for me, the progression from AC to DCC evolved via DC. However, that doesn't have to be the case. One could leapfrog to DCC by replacing the AC open frame motors with DC can motors while keeping the AC transformers to power the DCC command station. That would actually be the least expensive way to go! If I had it all to do over again, I would skip the ACG trains altogether and just enter S gauge RR'ing with all new state-of-the art DCC-ready locos and modern track/switches. Ah, but think of the huge learning curve I would have missed! S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47504	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: DCC

Hi, I just received two DCC engines with sounds today from S Helper and the Lentz 100 system. I have been using a old 100 watt transformer, 22030 and it is working just fine. Also, someone mentioned a few weeks ago, that he had problems with S Helper engines going through American S Classic switches. I have been running the engines both ways through the switches and I have not had any problems with derailing. The S Helper engines go through the switch very smoothly. Now, I do not have electric power to them yet, as I had them turned by hand. I am very impressed with the detail, smoothness and how quiet the engines in comparasion with the AF engines, less the DCC sounds. But as far as track now, I hear none, as I have the track on the plywood. Now if only the roadbed will get here before bike riding and Baseball season starts! GO NATS! LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47505	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: DCC Engines

I got two DCC engines from S Helper today, two steam engines, www.showcaseline.com and the Lentz 100 DCC pack. The detail of the engines are just wonderful. Aside from the DCC noises they are to make, the engines run real smooth and quiet on the track. It is just on plywood and no road bed, YET! LOL I am sure it will be great once the roadbed is done and ballast. This layout was 15 years in the making and I am glad I waited as Lentz DCC, the S Helper DCC engines, and the track I am using was not around in 1993. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47506	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Trains vs Computers

After showing Linda how the engines slow down and speed up, the bell, smoke ( in one engine, the only wont smoke), steam noise, brake noise, (can't figure how to get the coupler noise to work), how the when the engine comes to a stop and start how realistic it is, she said "and kids only want to play on a computer!?". This is really amazing as the switches are not working yet, no roadbed or ballast is done yet, no accessories are working yet, no landscaping with roads and the buildings, so it will really be something once all that is done. Anyone who is just a collector of trains, you are missing out on the other side. As Lou Reed said, "take a walk on the wild side". Okay, maybe not that far!!!! For those who do not know the song, well, lets just leave it there. Time for MD basketball. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47507	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: smoke

Sorry for not proof reading the email about the engines, too much going on! I meant to write that one engine is smoking the other one is not. I am sure it will be taken care of in time. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47508	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing??

Thanks Bill, but unfortunately, the outer track is just several inches from the edge. That would have been a good preventative measure when the original layout was being planned. I will definitely keep that in mind for any future projects. (This layout was already set up by another) Paul --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scale S Only" <scalesonly@...> wrote: > > Hi Paul -- > > You didn't say how close the track is to the edge of the table, but if you > have the room, you might think about a "scenic" rise between the track and > the table edge. Use of lichen or similar "plantings" could soften the > impact of any wayward rolling stock... > > Have fun! > Bill Winans > Prescott Valley, AZ > > I am in need of some saged advice on determining the height of a > protective railing around the perimeter of my layout. 8' x 12' layout > sitting about 40" from the floor. With the number of turnouts (14), > confusion is the rule until I become more expert or more attentive. > I want to put a railing around the layout to prevent any derailed > engines from tumbling to the floor. I want it to be effective, but not > overly high. Do not want to detract from the layout by making it > higher than necessary. Also, any ideas on what material to use would > be appreciated. I just don't want to christen my system "GARR". (Gomez > Addams Railroad) Thanks for any help. > > Paul >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47509	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?

Doug, after talking to a couple of sources, they believe it's either for Gilbert HO or a toy they made. This is probably no help though. Harwood **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47510	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: transformers

Being new to having a layout, I have a question about the different wattage of transformers. What is the purpose from having a 100 watt, a 250 watt or a 300 watt? Right now I have a 100 watt hooked up the Lentz DCC system. What would a higher watt transformer do? Also, for accessories. I had a coal loader hooked up to 300 W Transformer when I got it. After several minutes it slowed down. I was told to use the least wattage transformer for accessories. I then hooked it up to a 100 W and it was fine. Why is this? Thanks for any answers. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47511	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Trains vs. Computers

You're right, the real fun with trains is running them! Although I like to bash or build them too. Having played with toy and model trains all my life and done a short stint as a collector of three rail, I've never understood how you could just let them sit in the boxes! However, to each his own. There is another thing to think about when it comes to trains vs. computers...train simulators. I bought the TRAINZ package from Auran a couple of years ago after owning Microsoft's Train Simulator disaster. I enjoy getting on there and running all kinds of trains over many different railroads. You seem to get drawn into it, then look at the clock and say; "Wow, I've just lost two hours of my life!" Computer simulations can be addictive! I did the same thing with the Dirt Track Racing simulator. I can see why we're loosing a generation to the electronic monster! Even so, the computer just doesn't measure up to building trains and layouts for real. I enjoy the hands on creation of things too much to give up my little railroads for the computer. Still, there is no doubt that my computer has become one of my most useful modeling tools because of the friends and information it has brought me. Stumpy Stone...in a 4 degree Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47512	From: G C	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Trains vs. Computers

"Still, there is no doubt that my computer has become one of my most useful modeling tools because of the friends and information it has brought me." Amen, Stumpy! Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47513	From: pab11147	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing??

Hi Paul: If you go to mrtrain.com you will also find several alternatives to transparent plastic. Mr. Dechant has post & rail, brick and chain link fence, all custom made at a very reasonable price (in my opinion). He will send you samples , I believe, if you ask. In the meantime, watch your speed. If you stay to a scale speed with a properly installed track you are much less likely to have an accident. I extended my "risk" areas on the table by adding on 6" of plywood and and landscaping it. Paul --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote: > > I am in need of some saged advice on determining the height of a > protective railing around the perimeter of my layout. 8' x 12' layout > sitting about 40" from the floor. With the number of turnouts (14), > confusion is the rule until I become more expert or more attentive. > I want to put a railing around the layout to prevent any derailed > engines from tumbling to the floor. I want it to be effective, but not > overly high. Do not want to detract from the layout by making it > higher than necessary. Also, any ideas on what material to use would > be appreciated. I just don't want to christen my system "GARR". (Gomez > Addams Railroad) Thanks for any help. > > Paul >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47514	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Today's K-Line curves

To all: I have 24 K-Line curves manufactured in about 1988. Although sold as S-Gauge, they are NOT S-Gauge nor can they be easily adjusted to be so. (They are too narrow and scale wheelsets jump out.) I understood K-Line addressed this years ago when they also shrank the oversized track pins. Is this an issue with the K-Line curves being issued today by Lionel? Reason for question: I am going scale. Because of an extreme space problem, I will not be able to increase the radius of my curves. I have more than 200 sections of EX+ AF straight track and over 75 AF switches. (Plus boxes of junk track and switches.) With tweaking the true AF track and switches runs scale wheelsets just fine. Much of my layout is just getting from here to there -- track on bench work without scenery. Why buy when I can reuse? So are the current issue L-Line (Lionel K-Line) curves NASG compatible? Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47515	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing

The least intrusive safety rail I've seen it plexiglas. It's expensive, but it can be seen through, unlike wood or metal. It needs to be just high enough to keep locos and rolling stock from tipping over the side. Depending on how far your track is from the edge, you might get by with furring strips along the edge. Something just enough to stop equipment from sliding over the side of the table once it has derailed and fallen over. To test what you need, just slowly tip you tallest loco over, off the track, and see where it will end up when it is laying on it's side. You might get by with a lower safety rail than you think. However, if you run really fast, you'll need more protection, especially on curves! After all, there isn't much left when your eqwuipment falls several hundred scale feet to the bottom of the cliff at trackside! Stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47516	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: RE;re;DCC!

Most folks don't know or care that DCC runs from AC power, they just like it and buy the equipment. We've seen the N and HO guys shift to it locally, and now a few of the S gaugers are into it, the scale folks who went DC power some time back. Even though I'm a Hi-railer, not a scale guy, the reason I went to DC power is that it's hard to beat can motors and no reverse units if you want reliability and performance these days! I've often wondered why the toy train manufacturers stayed with AC so long, unless it is purely to keep their older product compatable. As good as TMCC is, DCC is probably the future. With DCC anyone can manufacture it to standards that are recognised in all scales without having to pay Lionel. Therefore there will be more product advancement and lower prices for DCC as time goes on. Instead of fighting between one another, and each expensively developing their own electronic control systems, Lionel and MTH should have just used DCC. But if you know the history between these outfits, you know why that wouldn't happen. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47517	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: P18no36

Doug I FOUND IT, You were right the first time. GE Lamp number J2A ( AR3 ) Argon filled 110-125 AC - DC !/4 watt . Argon glow lamps, have had their chief application as an activator of fluorescent materials, since they produce a limited amount of ultraviolet in the 3650 Angstrom region . Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47518	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing

Thanks guys. I forgot about plexiglas. However, I checked and don't want to invest $92.00 for a barrier. (rather use it to purchase more rolling stock) I have been thinking about using furring strips (2 1/2"). That might do the trick. My track is rather close to the edges (2" - 3"). That sort of prohibits any type of scenery-type barriers. I appreciate, also, the tip on checking with mrtrain. I will see what he has available. As I stated earlier, switches get confusing, especially when you have so many of them. One cannot become distracted when trying to operate one's layout. Paul --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > The least intrusive safety rail I've seen it plexiglas. It's > expensive, but it can be seen through, unlike wood or metal. It needs > to be just high enough to keep locos and rolling stock from tipping > over the side. > Depending on how far your track is from the edge, you might get by > with furring strips along the edge. Something just enough to stop > equipment from sliding over the side of the table once it has derailed > and fallen over. > To test what you need, just slowly tip you tallest loco over, off the > track, and see where it will end up when it is laying on it's side. > You might get by with a lower safety rail than you think. However, if > you run really fast, you'll need more protection, especially on curves! > After all, there isn't much left when your eqwuipment falls several > hundred scale feet to the bottom of the cliff at trackside! > Stumpy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47519	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing

Paul, As Stumpy suggests....I have furring strips around the edge of my layout and my track is closer to the edge than yours. It looks really nice painted and it blends in with what you have at the edge of your layout. It is just high enough to prevent those unwanted crashes to the floor. A couple of screws and away you go! Gene -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gettysburg9 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:53 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Height of protective railing Thanks guys. I forgot about plexiglas. However, I checked and don't want to invest $92.00 for a barrier. (rather use it to purchase more rolling stock) I have been thinking about using furring strips (2 1/2"). That might do the trick. My track is rather close to the edges (2" - 3"). That sort of prohibits any type of scenery-type barriers. I appreciate, also, the tip on checking with mrtrain. I will see what he has available. As I stated earlier, switches get confusing, especially when you have so many of them. One cannot become distracted when trying to operate one's layout. Paul --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > The least intrusive safety rail I've seen it plexiglas. It's > expensive, but it can be seen through, unlike wood or metal. It needs > to be just high enough to keep locos and rolling stock from tipping > over the side. > Depending on how far your track is from the edge, you might get by > with furring strips along the edge. Something just enough to stop > equipment from sliding over the side of the table once it has derailed > and fallen over. > To test what you need, just slowly tip you tallest loco over, off the > track, and see where it will end up when it is laying on it's side. > You might get by with a lower safety rail than you think. However, if > you run really fast, you'll need more protection, especially on curves! > After all, there isn't much left when your eqwuipment falls several > hundred scale feet to the bottom of the cliff at trackside! > Stumpy > Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47520	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Today's K-Line curves

No, the K-Line S track is actually quite good, I have the S-54 and the rubber roadbed for it and am very pleased with both products. I do wish Lionel'd make S-72 since the 54 still looks a bit tight. Remember that the wider the circle, the less force is placed upon the insulators and the flanges on the drivers, and that's much more important than appearances. Also, if you intend on a Big Boy, you'll need the S-54 - I THINK, because 0-54 is the minimum circle that the 0 gage version requires-John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47521	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: P18no36

That's it, Jerry ! J2A (AR-3) And the picture of it is correct. Obviously not toy use (100 volt), and too late to be any sort of wartime use.......... Hmmmm..... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: gerald r dobbs [mailto:grdobbs@...] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:46 AM To: Doug Peck Cc: af2rail@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: P18no36 Doug I FOUND IT, You were right the first time. GE Lamp number J2A ( AR3 ) Argon filled 110-125 AC - DC !/4 watt . Argon glow lamps, have had their chief application as an activator of fluorescent materials, since they produce a limited amount of ultraviolet in the 3650 Angstrom region . Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47522	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing

Hi Paul, I use Lexan on my layout as a guard and it looks really nice. My track runs within 1" of the edge and I have switches along the edge also. Sometimes the switches don't throw all the way and boom - derailed engine. I purchsed the Lexan from Lowe's and I think I got a 36" x 24" piece for less than $20. I'll post a photo this weekend so you can see how it looks. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote: > > Thanks guys. I forgot about plexiglas. However, I checked and don't > want to invest $92.00 for a barrier. (rather use it to purchase more > rolling stock) I have been thinking about using furring strips (2 > 1/2"). That might do the trick. My track is rather close to the > edges (2" - 3"). That sort of prohibits any type of scenery-type > barriers. I appreciate, also, the tip on checking with mrtrain. I > will see what he has available. As I stated earlier, switches get > confusing, especially when you have so many of them. One cannot > become distracted when trying to operate one's layout. > > Paul > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@> wrote: > > > > The least intrusive safety rail I've seen it plexiglas. It's > > expensive, but it can be seen through, unlike wood or metal. It > needs > > to be just high enough to keep locos and rolling stock from tipping > > over the side. > > Depending on how far your track is from the edge, you might get > by > > with furring strips along the edge. Something just enough to stop > > equipment from sliding over the side of the table once it has > derailed > > and fallen over. > > To test what you need, just slowly tip you tallest loco over, off > the > > track, and see where it will end up when it is laying on it's > side. > > You might get by with a lower safety rail than you think. However, > if > > you run really fast, you'll need more protection, especially on > curves! > > After all, there isn't much left when your eqwuipment falls > several > > hundred scale feet to the bottom of the cliff at trackside! > > Stumpy > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47523	From: roy inman	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Today's K-Line curves

Actually John, according to my old K-Line catalog, the BB required only 031 diameter curves. I did speak with a Lionel tech rep and asked him about minimum radius for the S BB. He said that "When the catalog information says that an engine will run on 'standard Flyer track' that means it will negotiate Flyer 20" radius curves." Roy Inman From: john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:16:10 -0800 (PST) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Today's K-Line curves No, the K-Line S track is actually quite good, I have the S-54 and the rubber roadbed for it and am very pleased with both products. I do wish Lionel'd make S-72 since the 54 still looks a bit tight. Remember that the wider the circle, the less force is placed upon the insulators and the flanges on the drivers, and that's much more important than appearances. Also, if you intend on a Big Boy, you'll need the S-54 - I THINK, because 0-54 is the minimum circle that the 0 gage version requires-John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47524	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing

Bull: I contacted Lowes and know that they have 36" x 24" pieces. What did you use to cut it into desired dimensions? Also, I believe they said they had different thicknesses. Paul --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > I use Lexan on my layout as a guard and it looks really nice. My > track runs within 1" of the edge and I have switches along the edge > also. Sometimes the switches don't throw all the way and boom - > derailed engine. I purchsed the Lexan from Lowe's and I think I got > a 36" x 24" piece for less than $20. I'll post a photo this weekend > so you can see how it looks. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@> > wrote: > > > > Thanks guys. I forgot about plexiglas. However, I checked and > don't > > want to invest $92.00 for a barrier. (rather use it to purchase > more > > rolling stock) I have been thinking about using furring strips (2 > > 1/2"). That might do the trick. My track is rather close to the > > edges (2" - 3"). That sort of prohibits any type of scenery-type > > barriers. I appreciate, also, the tip on checking with mrtrain. I > > will see what he has available. As I stated earlier, switches get > > confusing, especially when you have so many of them. One cannot > > become distracted when trying to operate one's layout. > > > > Paul > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@> wrote: > > > > > > The least intrusive safety rail I've seen it plexiglas. It's > > > expensive, but it can be seen through, unlike wood or metal. It > > needs > > > to be just high enough to keep locos and rolling stock from > tipping > > > over the side. > > > Depending on how far your track is from the edge, you might > get > > by > > > with furring strips along the edge. Something just enough to > stop > > > equipment from sliding over the side of the table once it has > > derailed > > > and fallen over. > > > To test what you need, just slowly tip you tallest loco over, > off > > the > > > track, and see where it will end up when it is laying on it's > > side. > > > You might get by with a lower safety rail than you think. > However, > > if > > > you run really fast, you'll need more protection, especially on > > curves! > > > After all, there isn't much left when your eqwuipment falls > > several > > > hundred scale feet to the bottom of the cliff at trackside! > > > Stumpy > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47525	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Today's K-Line curves

I have some of the K-line 54" curves and I don't really like it very well. It does have correct gauge for scale wheels, but you may have trouble for other reasons. It has a more rounded top profile than gilbert track. The roadbed I bought with mine doesn't fit the track very well. The rubber road bed is not very square at the ends and even if you adjust the ties it is hard to eliminate the gap at rail ends, and as a result the joiners are visible and scale wheels may jump. The rubber roadbed does not fit the longer straight sections either. Since I didn't want to anchor the track and lose the sound deadining I ended up using thin copper wire to close the gap. Perhaps I just got a bad batch of roadbed, but I can tell you I am not pleased with the fittup of what I bought. I am in the process of retiring this track to floor use with the grandkids. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: > > No, the K-Line S track is actually quite good, I have the S-54 and the rubber roadbed for it and am very pleased with both products. I do wish Lionel'd make S-72 since the 54 still looks a bit tight. Remember that the wider the circle, the less force is placed upon the insulators and the flanges on the drivers, and that's much more important than appearances. Also, if you intend on a Big Boy, you'll need the S-54 - I THINK, because 0-54 is the minimum circle that the 0 gage version requires-John Marganski > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47526	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: RE;re;DCC!

Once you put a can motor in your loco you have already gone DC from a certain perspective. You are either rectifying inside the transformer, at the track outside the transformer, or rectifying inside the loco. From my perspective you are getting most of the benfit of DC as far as control goes once you have gotten away from the antique open frame ac motor. This can be done with an on board electronic reverse unit, with a TMCC card or with a DCC card. With a DC power supply or an old rectfied AC transformer. Every one of these is providing DC to the can motor. (in some cases it is PWM, but still DC.) Now for something a little different. If there are any of you out there who are running the TMCC cab-1 (or two) and you wish to control a DC locomotive, a much more fun way to provide rectified DC to the track, although more expensive, is to place an Electric Railroad TMCC board between the AC transformer and the Track. You now have DC to the track with speed control and direction control available from the Cab-1. For additional fun plug a sound card into the command board and you now have speed sensitive sound effects. I am using this to control my HO F-7 that is in the center of my layout, and also my On3 goose. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Most folks don't know or care that DCC runs from AC power, they just > like it and buy the equipment. We've seen the N and HO guys shift to > it locally, and now a few of the S gaugers are into it, the scale folks > who went DC power some time back. > Even though I'm a Hi-railer, not a scale guy, the reason I went to DC > power is that it's hard to beat can motors and no reverse units if you > want reliability and performance these days! I've often wondered why > the toy train manufacturers stayed with AC so long, unless it is purely > to keep their older product compatable. > As good as TMCC is, DCC is probably the future. With DCC anyone can > manufacture it to standards that are recognised in all scales without > having to pay Lionel. Therefore there will be more product advancement > and lower prices for DCC as time goes on. > Instead of fighting between one another, and each expensively > developing their own electronic control systems, Lionel and MTH should > have just used DCC. But if you know the history between these outfits, > you know why that wouldn't happen. > Stumpy in Appalachia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47527	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Today's K-Line curves

I thik this is a very important question. Let be sure of the answer. Last year I moved into a new house. Unfortunately it does NOT have a basement. Typical Southern construction, on a slab. I am looking at adding a "man cave" or converting part of my garage into my "man cave" There I will build my empire, the one that I have wanted since I was a lot younger. Do I plan on the 40" D. or the 54" D.? Which ever, I can front end the requirement. Bigfoot ----- Original Message ----- From: john isn't eddie anymore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Today's K-Line curves No, the K-Line S track is actually quite good, I have the S-54 and the rubber roadbed for it and am very pleased with both products. I do wish Lionel'd make S-72 since the 54 still looks a bit tight. Remember that the wider the circle, the less force is placed upon the insulators and the flanges on the drivers, and that's much more important than appearances. Also, if you intend on a Big Boy, you'll need the S-54 - I THINK, because 0-54 is the minimum circle that the 0 gage version requires-John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47528	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: RE;re;DCC!

No system is a panacea, including DCC. I run DCC, Legacy, and conventional via TPC400's (includes Locomatic 10-button boxes and Lionel Sound Activation buttons). Each mode standalone has its own set of benefits and advantages, but also shortcomings then when compared to the other. Fact is, IMHO, at this point you'd have to take some capabilities/capacities from DCC and some from Legacy to come up with the ideal solution. In the meantime we're kind of stuck having to run a blend of systems to get the complete experience, or consciously choose one system and be at peace with giving up what the others offer. For example, I've never run DCS. However, for all I know a few key DCS "ingredients" are necessary in order to truly optimize the final control system recipe. Buy what you like. Run what you have. Sell what you don't like any longer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47529	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: transformers

> ***(((What is the purpose from having a 100 watt, a 250 watt or a > 300 watt?))))*** A smaller trannie is good for running one train and very few lights. More accessories, trains, lighting, etc. requires more wattage. ***(((Also, for accessories. I had a coal loader hooked up to 300 W Transformer when I got it. After several minutes it slowed down. I was told to use the least wattage transformer for accessories. I then hooked it up to a 100 W and it was fine. Why is this? )))*** Ya got me on that one. I'll let the experts answer! Rick. > > > > Also, for accessories. I had a coal loader hooked up to 300 W > Transformer when I got it. After several minutes it slowed down. > I was told to use the least wattage transformer for accessories. I > then hooked it up to a 100 W and it was fine. Why is this? > > Thanks for any answers. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47530	From: Tim Benner	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: P18no36

In the early 60s I had a Gilbert chemistry set that had an ultraviolet light used for experiments with phosphorescents. The light was in an assembly thet looked like a ray gun and it plugged directly into the wall outlet. That's my guess. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > That's it, Jerry ! > > J2A (AR-3) > And the picture of it is correct. > > Obviously not toy use (100 volt), and too late to be any sort of wartime > use.......... > Hmmmm..... > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines Hobby Supply > > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > > www.sgaugetrains.com > > www.flyerparts.com > > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > > 978-465-8798 > > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > -----Original Message----- > From: gerald r dobbs [mailto:grdobbs@...] > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:46 AM > To: Doug Peck > Cc: af2rail@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: P18no36 > > > Doug > I FOUND IT, You were right the first time. GE Lamp number J2A ( > AR3 > ) Argon filled 110-125 AC - DC !/4 watt . > Argon glow lamps, have had their chief application as an activator of > fluorescent materials, since they produce a limited amount of > ultraviolet > in the 3650 Angstrom region . > > > Jerry >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47531	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: P18no36

The D2037. brochure, ERECTOR and GILBERT toys for '57 shows about 25 new " CARRIER-BUILDING " sets. If I was to wager a guess, I would say that Gilbert was looking at producing a " Rocks and Minerals " set similar to Lionel's, but for some reason they dropped the project. Gilbert was good at proposing new items, then not carrying through. Either way you have a piece of Gilbert history Jerry On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:15:25 -0500 "Doug Peck" <Doug@...> writes: > That's it, Jerry ! > > J2A (AR-3) > And the picture of it is correct. > > Obviously not toy use (100 volt), and too late to be any sort of > wartime > use.......... > Hmmmm..... > > > Doug Peck >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47532	From: Timboy	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Today's K-Line curves

Hi Folks, Before you plunk down money on the K-line wide-radius curves, check to see that they can be used with your elevated trestle sections. If the track sections are longer than the standard ACG curved sections are, then I suspect that the K-line wide-radius curves will need addtional supports or they will be unstable on trestels. Nothing is a given until it is tested. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47533	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?

This sounds like a neon lamp. GE made a number of these in T-4 1/2, with bayonet or screw bases. Numbers I found in a vintage 1974 GE catalog from the back of my files list lamps B5A, B6A, B7A, B8A, B9A, F3A and F4A. These were going out of style in the 70's so there would have been many others dropped from the catalog before mine was published. This type of neon lamp ran on 120 V AC and needed a current limiting resistor, usually 30K ohms, in series. Their rated useful life was in excess of 5000 hours and they were usually used as pilot lamps, although there were other applications for them. Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47534	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: New Project (and personal layout pics)

Tim and all: You mean to tell me you are having fun with your AF toy trains??? You are doing it in a h-rail realm? And you actually realize they are toys first? I love it. I do the same. I am also an "under the swap meet table scrounger." I love getting dirty, beat up AF rolling stock and engines and cleaning them, wire wheeling them, lubricating them, and bringing them back to life. A step is missing from a passenger car? They make repros, don't they? I have done that repair more than once. The last 652 heavyweight car I bought was $10. That was last week at the local train shop. I figure the trucks are worth that. The goal is to fix it up (it has a crack), and then repaint it to match the Polar Express. I just need to find a few more heavyweight junkers. It might take some time, but it is the thrill of the hunt and the exhileration of the find. Anyone can go get a pristine example given enough internet savvy and $$$, but having the creativity to see something different in, what was it..."junque," is something else all together. I am an operator, can't you tell? I love what you've done with the 650 cars and Pennsy paint scheme. Keep it up! I have also created a brass strip that screws on using existing hardware (doubles as a gear cover) for my 1946 310 locomotive with the infamous brass buttons. This allows me to run it through my Tru-Scale and Bob Peare switches with very unforgiving frogs. The brass buttons caught the frogs every time until I did this simple retrofit. Here are some pics of my layout. I posted it before, but it was well hidden in a nondescript post heading. I have enjoyed working on this layout for the past five years. I look forward to many, many more. Time in the train room is ALWAYS time well spent: http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/BENSTILES.html Happy railroading...in 1/64, of course! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47535	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: transformers

Okay, that is what I thought a larger transformer is for, to run more trains, accessories. However, for Digital train running, does it matter what size you use. Will a higher wattage transformer for digital train be neccessary? Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47536	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: SCOTTS ODDS & ENDS LEDS ETC

_http://www.scottsodds-n-ends.com/_ (http://www.scottsodds-n-ends.com/) Here is a web address for train related LED's & Relays, ETC. Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47537	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?

I found the lamp. This link is to a page from a 1956 GE lamps catalog. http://www.donsbulbs.com/bulbs/g632/l/ge1956lampbulletin/55.gif AR-3 is listed in the chart in the lower right corner of the page. It is a neon lamp with a candelabra screw base (the base used on night light lamps) and operates on 115 VAC when a 15K ohm resistor is wired in series with it. It was probably used as a pilot light somewhere. Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47538	From: Bill and Linda Lucas	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Height of protective railing

Hi all; Last June when I showed our twin 6 year old grandsons, Jack & Harry, my trains they ran around the table for a bit, just like always. Harry likes the log loader so we did that for awhile. Jack likes the coal loader so he did that for a bit. Then he said, can I run the train (which he had never done before) and I said sure. He started off slow--- for the first two times around the 18'x 15' loops. Then he speeded up- full speed just like I did when I was a kid. That is why there is some protection at the edges of the table. right? Bill in Kennebunk --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47539	From: Timboy	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: New Project (and personal layout pics)

Hi Ben, Oh yeah. They are toys. All trains that are not prototype are toys. Period. I love playing with my toy trains. I love to re-invent them and push the envelope and put them into as realistic a setting as I can - and as my skills & knowledge of prototypical operations grows - so grows my little toy RR. I'm thinking of cutting all the plastic "steps" off all the vintage freight cars and replacing them with wire steps so they look more like - well, steps. And I too have junque stashed away waiting for either that elusive part to show up or my abilities to increase such that I can fabricate it. And my little toy RR will grow. You have that elusive tinkering mentality. I can tell. You're layout and your inventiveness shows through. I love it. Bravo!!!!! I wish I could take better pics of my RR. The pics I take don't do it justice. Your pics look nice. Keep up the great work and post pics of projects you have going on! S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47540	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: transformers

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer . . . . . . . for Digital train running, does it matter what size you use? Will a higher wattage transformer for digital train be necessary? > > > > > > > > That depends on the desired output capacity of the digital command station & power booster you get. I got NCE's 10 Amp system, and the specification for the input transformer is the ability to supply 16 to 22 volts, AC, and 10 - 12 Amps. So if you set your transformer at, say 18 volts, AC, and it has a capacity of at least 180 watts, (volts times amps equals watts), that should work. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47541	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: AF 730 Bumper Question:

On the AF 730 Bumpers: I have two of these terminating two sidings. My question concerns the nice large red bulbs which illuminate their tops and designate that power is present. Will constant illumination of these cause the bulb to melt the plastic which is awfully close to the side of the bulb? Depending on which way I throw the switch accessing these sidings, I can kill the power to each siding after moving the engine(s) out. However, if I leave the switch open, then the bulb of course stays lit. I wanted to check with experienced AF guys before I left these burning and then regretted it at a later time. Thanks. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47542	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Printing decals on Walthers Decal Paper with Ink Jet Printer ?

I am going to try to apply some of my own decals using Walthers Decal Paper. I have printed black lettering on a sheet of the decal paper using an ink jet printer. I am going to let this dry at least overnight, maybe longer. The ink looks wet on the paper. I guess it makes sense that this paper is not absorbent, instead it keeps the ink on the very surface of the paper so it can be transferred to the model. These decals are for letterboards and passenger car names on an undecorated Budd car from American Models. My intent is to spray Testors Decal Bonder over the decal paper. possibly several times, after the ink has had time to dry. Then after this dries again, I will try to apply the decals to the passenger car sides. If you have had experience doing this, maybe you can tell me whether I am going about this the right way, and/or give me some tips. I know Wayne Beachy has done this successfully on American Flyer cars. He sent me a WORD document with the lettering he used for Southern cars. This was a couple of years ago or earlier. I used the copy of his file to print my decals, although the car names I am using are names of family members. I want to apply 4 different names on 2 sets of 4 cars, or a total of 8 names. - Earl Henry, Nashville **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47543	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: New Project (and personal layout pics)

Tim- Cool! Just don't cut the plastic steps off your RED or GREY 631 or your GREY 641! Some of these toys are expensive and collectible. It just so happens I do not have to worry about that because I have lots of low to mid range stuff with issues corrected and I run the wheels off them. When I have a piece that does not operate for whatever reason, it jumps to high priority range until it is running. Thanks to Glenn Ritter for the pics of my layout. He is very good with a digital camera! Have fun! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47544	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Printing decals on Walthers Decal Paper with Ink Jet Printer ?

Hi Earl Henry, This, from my experience, never works. The ink never dries and when you try to apply the overcoat, the ink will run. Hold on to your computer file, however. What I do is print the file to a plain white piece of paper. Take that to a "good" copy shop and have them copy it to the decal paper. That process is a dry process and there is much less chance of the ink running. When you are doing the overcoat, do the first 3 or so coats VERY light. I use a hair dryer and blow dry the overcoats between coats. Give me an off-list e-mail if you have any questions. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > I am going to try to apply some of my own decals using Walthers Decal Paper. > > > I have printed black lettering on a sheet of the decal paper using an ink > jet printer. I am going to let this dry at least overnight, maybe longer. The > ink looks wet on the paper. I guess it makes sense that this paper is not > absorbent, instead it keeps the ink on the very surface of the paper so it can > be transferred to the model. > > These decals are for letterboards and passenger car names on an undecorated > Budd car from American Models. > > My intent is to spray Testors Decal Bonder over the decal paper. possibly > several times, after the ink has had time to dry. Then after this dries again, > I will try to apply the decals to the passenger car sides. > > If you have had experience doing this, maybe you can tell me whether I am > going about this the right way, and/or give me some tips. > > I know Wayne Beachy has done this successfully on American Flyer cars. He > sent me a WORD document with the lettering he used for Southern cars. This > was a couple of years ago or earlier. I used the copy of his file to print my > decals, although the car names I am using are names of family members. I > want to apply 4 different names on 2 sets of 4 cars, or a total of 8 names. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel- campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47545	From: Timboy	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Printing decals on Walthers Decal Paper with Ink Jet Printer ?

Hi Earl, Black lettering on white decal paper is easy and you are approaching it correctly. However, don't be surprised if, in time, the black fades unless your printer cartridge is using true black and even then it may blur out in several years. Don't even bother trying any other color, especially the lighter ones. Inkjet colors are not opaque, so everything will show right through. There are only three ways to get first-class decals (not stickers): 1) Buy them, 2) have them professionally printed onto decal paper or 3) buy a printer that takes opaque ink and make them (an expensive approach for a handful of decals). I put this call out two years ago with no credible response. If anyone else on this List knows any other way to make up anything other than the most rudimentary black-on-white decals at home without buying an expensive piece of out-of-production equipment, please tell us how. Probably the most viable alternative is to custom-make them with whatever software you are handy with and have them copied onto decal paper at a profesional print or copy place. I still think this option will be pricey, unless you either work or know someone who works at said place. S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47546	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: AF 730 Bumper Question:

A good solution to this concern is to switch to identical bulbs, but 24-volt rating. They are a bit dimmer (but not significantly), and cooler. They also last much longer! We have started stocking many of the various 24-volt bulbs usable in AF applications. <<Will constant illumination of these cause the bulb to melt the plastic which is awfully close to the side of the bulb?>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47547	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Printing decals on ink jet printers

Some of the guys over on the On30 and On30 Conspiracy groups have done this successfully. The owner of one of the groups has experimented with printing white decals with limited success. There are different papers availible, but basically the meathods are about the same. I've been led to understand that laser printers do excellent decals, and that the process is a little different. Not having a laser printer, I can't verify this. I had some road name decals custom made by Rail Graphics, which are excellent. However, they require a minimum run of fifty sheets, as I recall. I found a fellow who does O scale decals who would print me some S scale billboard reefer decals. They were nice, but $15. per set (one car.) Custom work takes time, so it is expensive. Ink jet or otherwise, decaling is as much art as skill. Good decals are almost a must have deal or you can screw up an otherwise nice model. Stumpy Stone...time to shovel snow again in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47548	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 ?

Thanks, Victor.......that's the bulb. And from the same website, here's a picture of the actual bulb, for anyone who's interested in what this thread has been all about. Now the only remaining mystery is what Gilbert may have used them for ! http://www.donsbulbs.com/cgi-bin/r/b.pl/ar-3~general-electric.html Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47549	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: AF 730 Bumper Question:

Paul, I would advise using a small 18 V red bulb. Yes, the heat will warp it over time. This has been the case with some switch controllers. I buy the clear bulbs and spray paint them with red paint designed for automobile engine blocks which is heat resistant. Harwood **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47550	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: AF 730 Bumper Question:

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I will check with Doug at York for the 24v bulbs and also use the fix that Harwood suggested. I just did not feel comfortable with that "big" bulb sitting almost against the plastic top. Paul --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > A good solution to this concern is to switch to identical bulbs, but > 24-volt rating. They are a bit dimmer (but not significantly), and > cooler. They also last much longer! We have started stocking many of the > various 24-volt bulbs usable in AF applications. > > > > <<Will constant illumination > of these cause the bulb to melt the plastic which is awfully close to > the side of the bulb?>> > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application% 20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> > www.flyerparts.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application% 20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47551	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Printing decals on Walthers Decal Paper with Ink Jet Printer ?

In August 2003 I printed and applied inkjet-paper decals (with black, red, and blue) on a set of 5 generic AM satin silver Budds and they still look great. I purchased the paper from Buffalo Creek Company in Cleburne, TX 877-644-1469. Printed them. Let them dry. Sprayed them with few good light coats of Krylon Crystal Clear 1303 and still have extras to cut out from that sheet to apply to addtional cars if/when I want to lengthen the train. I used Testor's Decal Set 8804 when I put them on, but never put a clear/Dul-Coat over them in case I'd ever want to soak them off and put something else on instead. They've held up well. I run those cars at home and at shows quite often. I have a decal project now in mind again, but this time I think I'll try using a color laser and laser-paper. Don't need to Crystal Coat them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47552	From: ekaplan707	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Today's K-Line curves

Actually the catalog does not say that the engine will run on standard flyer track. What it says is "Proportionally scaled down and re-engineered to run on S gauge". I emailed Lionel customer service and asked the following questions: A few questions on the AF Union Pacific 4-8-8-4-Big Boy #4014. Are both engines articulated? What is the minimum radius? Is it possible to get accurate dimensions of the model as I am about to build a layout and want to insure proper clearances. This is what I received as a reply: "The information you requested is not yet available. The engineers are currently working on these issues". Most likely the bottom line is that it may be able to run on AF standard track but it sure is not going to look to good doing it. The larger the diameter the better. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Actually John, according to my old K-Line catalog, the BB required only 031 > diameter curves. I did speak with a Lionel tech rep and asked him about > minimum radius for the S BB. He said that "When the catalog information says > that an engine will run on 'standard Flyer track' that means it will > negotiate Flyer 20" radius curves." > > Roy Inman > > From: john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:16:10 -0800 (PST) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Today's K-Line curves > > > No, the K-Line S track is actually quite good, I have the S-54 and the > rubber roadbed for it and am very pleased with both products. I do wish > Lionel'd make S-72 since the 54 still looks a bit tight. Remember that the > wider the circle, the less force is placed upon the insulators and the > flanges on the drivers, and that's much more important than appearances. > Also, if you intend on a Big Boy, you'll need the S-54 - I THINK, because > 0-54 is the minimum circle that the 0 gage version requires-John Marganski > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47553	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

Anyone know what size transformer came with the 4611-A? Also the # of track? Thank You, Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47554	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

4611A (NYC Freight Train 1948-1949) 322AC locomotive and tender, smoke and "Choo-Choo": 629, 630, 634, 716, twelve 702 curved track, four 700 straight track, 706, 712, 690. Sorry, no info on # of transformer. Paul --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Anyone know what size transformer came with the 4611-A? > Also the # of track? Thank You, Mike > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore 97501 > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel- campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47555	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

It seems in the Greenberg book and the Bob Tufts book there is no listing for a transformer. It had to have one. But then, maybe it was sold separately? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: gettysburg9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SET #4611-A 4611A (NYC Freight Train 1948-1949) 322AC locomotive and tender, smoke and "Choo-Choo": 629, 630, 634, 716, twelve 702 curved track, four 700 straight track, 706, 712, 690. Sorry, no info on # of transformer. Paul --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Anyone know what size transformer came with the 4611-A? > Also the # of track? Thank You, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47556	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1946Catalog/AF_1946_catalog_page14.htm Looks like the set as many other sets too, did not come with a transformer. Looking at the link above, they recommend a 100 or a 150 watt transformer to be purchased separately, in the description of the set. I wonder why they did that? Keep the cost of the set lower? Less weight on the set itself to ship? Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: gettysburg9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SET #4611-A 4611A (NYC Freight Train 1948-1949) 322AC locomotive and tender, smoke and "Choo-Choo": 629, 630, 634, 716, twelve 702 curved track, four 700 straight track, 706, 712, 690. Sorry, no info on # of transformer. Paul --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Anyone know what size transformer came with the 4611-A? > Also the # of track? Thank You, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47557	From: James Hannawald	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

1946 Catalog recommends a 100 or 250 watt transformer- apparently sold separate in 1946. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: gettysburg9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SET #4611-A 4611A (NYC Freight Train 1948-1949) 322AC locomotive and tender, smoke and "Choo-Choo": 629, 630, 634, 716, twelve 702 curved track, four 700 straight track, 706, 712, 690. Sorry, no info on # of transformer. Paul --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Anyone know what size transformer came with the 4611-A? > Also the # of track? Thank You, Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47558	From: joe wieckoski	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Pullman car?

Awhile back someone wanted Pullman 662,663 or 993 cars. Could not find the listing. Contact me offline and I'll send photos. Thanks Joe W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47559	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

Greetings! Mike, received a similar set, 1947 - 322 , as a used set in 1950. It came with an 8B transformer. As there were no additional pieces this may have been the original? Let us know what you find out. Best, Charlie from snow filled Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: SET #4611-A Anyone know what size transformer came with the 4611-A? Also the # of track? Thank You, Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47560	From: Ed	Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

Hi; Go to the 1949 catalog, page 30, transformers. Numbers 4B, and 8B, both 100 watts, are recommended for Train Set 4611A and no transformer is listed with the set. It seem like a transformer was in addition to the set at additional cost. The 4611A sets were 1948 & 1949 with a 322AC engine. http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1949Catalog/AF_1949_catalog_page30. htm Ed Eckert -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of charlie and edith Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: SET #4611-A Greetings! Mike, received a similar set, 1947 - 322 , as a used set in 1950. It came with an 8B transformer. As there were no additional pieces this may have been the original? Let us know what you find out. Best, Charlie from snow filled Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> com To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: SET #4611-A Anyone know what size transformer came with the 4611-A? Also the # of track? Thank You, Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living. <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/> aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47561	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

Mike, I think it was a shipping & PACKING issue as the trans. would not fit into the flat box. Maybe it was a set that needed a larger trans. & the other options of extra track & sw's, etc.(Higher end?) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47562	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

By the way the #4611 comes with the 322 SIT & the #4611 comes with the 322 AC SIB. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47563	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

Thank You to all that replied. It seems that the transformers that everyone has given me are way too big for the box. So I think the transformer came by it's self. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47564	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF 730 Bumper Question:

No problem with constantly on. Using an 18V bulb will add some it's life . Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... Sure wish I knew how to reply to sender only I'm getting too many messages per day. _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gettysburg9 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF 730 Bumper Question: On the AF 730 Bumpers: I have two of these terminating two sidings. My question concerns the nice large red bulbs which illuminate their tops and designate that power is present. Will constant illumination of these cause the bulb to melt the plastic which is awfully close to the side of the bulb? Depending on which way I throw the switch accessing these sidings, I can kill the power to each siding after moving the engine(s) out. However, if I leave the switch open, then the bulb of course stays lit. I wanted to check with experienced AF guys before I left these burning and then regretted it at a later time. Thanks. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47565	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A transformer question

Hi all, Transformers were only included in the low-end, starter sets. All of the larger sets recommended transformer size to purchase seperately. This was true for most of the S production. I do note, however that the Dept. Store special, scenic panel set came with a transformer; but it used the 21085 engine, not a "big" engine. That might be the deciding factor. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47566	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 --PS

Oops, value of over $13,000, never let a dyslexic add up your bill! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47567	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!

Don & All, OK, nice pic of the bulb, but did you notice his PRICE for them?? And you have ~500 of them?? Hmm even at the "8+" discount, that a box value of over $8,000!! EGADS! GOOOOD find! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47568	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

Finally this morning I got down to the basement and looked inside the 4611A set I got out of a house four years ago. One of my better attic- find days, I might add. No transformer, no room in the box for a transformer. And this set was NEVER run, never even unpacked for some reason. Just opened, looked at and put away. The guy also had a 771 stockyard NIB, never opened, that I also quickly spirited away. It was his father's train, and he had no idea why it was never played with in over 55 years in the family. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47569	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!

That is great, but now Doug has to find people who actually need this bulb! Remember, there is no sale, till it is sold. LOL Mike M ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!! Don & All, OK, nice pic of the bulb, but did you notice his PRICE for them?? And you have ~500 of them?? Hmm even at the "8+" discount, that a box value of over $8,000!! EGADS! GOOOOD find! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47570	From: pab11147	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: NETCA cars wanted

Hello everyone: I am looking for the following NETCA S Gauge cars: Fisk Tire; Cape Cod Chips and Indian Motorcycle. Any interested sellers please contact me with your best price. Thank you. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47571	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Protective Railing - Photos Posted

Greetings All, I have just returned from Bristol, UK with an extended layover (18 hours) in Newark, NJ due to the winter storm there Friday and many cancelled and sold out flights. I have posted a couple of photos of the protective barrier I built on my layout. I used a sheet of 0.080" thick Lucite from Lowe's. The sheet was 30" x 36" and cost less than $20. I cut it by scoring with a new utility blade and then snapping it. The score was straight but the snap was not entirely straight so next time I will either score more times or get a special Lucite scoring tool. You can view the photos at my gallery: http://tinyurl.com/28azan While you are there please take time to review some of my other photos as well as those of our other group members. BG1 - Glad to be back home in Hotlanta!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47572	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A transformer question

David, This is not exactly true. There were some upper end sets that came with a transformer. Depends on what you call "larger sets." These sets came with a transformer; K5436T K5468WT & K5469WT 5660TW 5670TRH 5675TRH 20345 20350 20360 20375 20470 And there are more. I think you may be right when referring to the early sets in the late forties and early fifties. Sets that came with the Northern, Hudson & K-5. Harwood **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47573	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

Remember that at "Big L" they had 027 sets w/transformer, but the "0" sets were all buy the transformer at additional cost. Did Gilbert only put the transformer in the lower price sets, and not the premium sets? jfred Ed <ejenterp@...> wrote: Hi; Go to the 1949 catalog, page 30, transformers. Numbers 4B, and 8B, both 100 watts, are recommended for Train Set 4611A and no transformer is listed with the set. It seem like a transformer was in addition to the set at additional cost. The 4611A sets were 1948 & 1949 with a 322AC engine. http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1949Catalog/AF_1949_catalog_page30. htm Ed Eckert -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of charlie and edith Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: SET #4611-A Greetings! Mike, received a similar set, 1947 - 322 , as a used set in 1950. It came with an 8B transformer. As there were no additional pieces this may have been the original? Let us know what you find out. Best, Charlie from snow filled Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> com To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: SET #4611-A Anyone know what size transformer came with the 4611-A? Also the # of track? Thank You, Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living. <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/> aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47574	From: Ed	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: NETCA cars wanted

Ther were 2 Cape Cod listed on Ebay earlier today, 1 starting at $9.99 Ed Eckert -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pab11147 Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] NETCA cars wanted Hello everyone: I am looking for the following NETCA S Gauge cars: Fisk Tire; Cape Cod Chips and Indian Motorcycle. Any interested sellers please contact me with your best price. Thank you. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47575	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!

Mike, You are Sooo right! No buyer, no sale!! BTW, I recieved an email from an unamed person who took offense to my dyslexic comment. I hope no one else did--I said it because I AM dyslexic, and if I can't laugh at myself, who can?? Well gee guys, you don't have to roll on the floor to prove me wrong! So, if I offended some, I'm sorry, but believe me, I know of the problems of living with it. That's why I'm not a design engineer, couldn't do the math stuff! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47576	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/24/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47577	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A transformer question

Thank's to all that answered my post. Mike PS: EVEN U Mr. Walsh **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47578	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: SET #4611-A

A Lionel collector friend wrote me about Lionel doing the same. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Wjzwjz@... To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: SET #4611-A Mike, Lionel did the same thing, however their strategy was slightly different. They always included a transformer in sets that were targeted at operating on 027 track (cheaper track than regular O 3 rail track). Their thinking was that these sets were being targeted to many first time buyers - hence they would want a complete ready -to-run outfit. Lionel did not include any transformers in the sets that were sold with regular O gauge track. Their thinking here was that many of the customers who were buying these sets were more serious railroaders and would have already purchased or would be purchasing a more powerful transformer to run trains & accessories. It also made the O gauge sets appear to be more price competititve, until one took a closer lok & realized there was no transformer included! So your first thought is correct - keeping the set cost lower. In those days, I doubt there was that much mail order, so I don't think mail order was a serious consideration. -- Bill ------------------ http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1946Catalog/AF_1946_catalog_page14.htm Looks like the set as many other sets too, did not come with a transformer. Looking at the link above, they recommend a 100 or a 150 watt transformer to be purchased separately, in the description of the set. I wonder why they did that? Keep the cost of the set lower? Less weight on the set itself to ship? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47579	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

I wonder how many people brought a set in those years and did not realize it did not have a transformer in the set. But maybe that was a know fact to the buyer somehow. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: JFrederick Roberts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: SET #4611-A Remember that at "Big L" they had 027 sets w/transformer, but the "0" sets were all buy the transformer at additional cost. Did Gilbert only put the transformer in the lower price sets, and not the premium sets? jfred Ed <ejenterp@...> wrote: Hi; Go to the 1949 catalog, page 30, transformers. Numbers 4B, and 8B, both 100 watts, are recommended for Train Set 4611A and no transformer is listed with the set. It seem like a transformer was in addition to the set at additional cost. The 4611A sets were 1948 & 1949 with a 322AC engine. http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1949Catalog/AF_1949_catalog_page30. htm Ed Eckert -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of charlie and edith Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: SET #4611-A Greetings! Mike, received a similar set, 1947 - 322 , as a used set in 1950. It came with an 8B transformer. As there were no additional pieces this may have been the original? Let us know what you find out. Best, Charlie from snow filled Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> com To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: SET #4611-A Anyone know what size transformer came with the 4611-A? Also the # of track? Thank You, Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living. <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/> aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47580	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!

David, We already know you are weird in other ways! JUST KIDDING!! I knew you meant no harm, as I am sorry that you got the private email. I have gotten a few of those before too, the nice private emails. LOL You are okay in my book. Need a lightbulb? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!! Mike, You are Sooo right! No buyer, no sale!! BTW, I recieved an email from an unamed person who took offense to my dyslexic comment. I hope no one else did--I said it because I AM dyslexic, and if I can't laugh at myself, who can?? Well gee guys, you don't have to roll on the floor to prove me wrong! So, if I offended some, I'm sorry, but believe me, I know of the problems of living with it. That's why I'm not a design engineer, couldn't do the math stuff! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47581	From: Jerry Hiett	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!

Doug, You don't have to find buyers for the bulbs, just put them on website and wait for orders to come in as soon as Google gets them listed. Everyone thought I was crazy when I was buying photo flashbulbs for the last 50 years. When I decided I had far too many for my antique camera collection and I didn't need to store them any more I put them on my website and in no time had orders coming in from around the world, some from pretty prestigious universities, NASA, Atomic Energy Commission, several movie studios and untold little theatre groups. I have sold them as high as $45.00 each. Jerry   -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer@... Sent: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:04:01 -0500 To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!! That is great, but now Doug has to find people who actually need this bulb! Remember, there is no sale, till it is sold. LOL Mike M ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!! Don & All, OK, nice pic of the bulb, but did you notice his PRICE for them?? And you have ~500 of them?? Hmm even at the "8+" discount, that a box value of over $8,000!! EGADS! GOOOOD find! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47582	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Adding Sound to Layout

I've mentioned once or twice an item sold by Ramsey electronics.com called the "Bullshooter" http://tinyurl.com/yg4w6t I finally broke down and bought one and have been playing with it all night. Too cool! I took a bunch of the talking station records and copied 8 different tracks to the digital recorder. I can select which one to play or have it just cycle through all of them at various intervals for background sounds. I could also rig up a track trip to the play button so a train could trigger a pre-selected track. Maybe not as exciting as some of the train sounds you folks have been playing with but it's cool for just adding station announcements and background sounds. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47583	From: Phil K	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: SET #4611-A

In "those days" you bought train sets from a reputable local dealer who actually cared about his customers and would have pointed out the need for a transformer at the time of sale. And would have them in stock should you need one. Later, in the late 1950s and early 1960s, both Lionel and Gilbert were forced into making cheapo sets that could be sold in the new big box discount stores. Where the cashier who rang you up knew nothing about train sets. Just how to punch buttons on the register and make change. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I wonder how many people brought a set in those years and did not realize it did not have a transformer in the set. But maybe that was a know fact to the buyer somehow. > > Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47584	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Protective Railing

I use 1/4" Lexan for the protective sides on my layout. In the area of the gorge and trestle where the table drops down 17" the Lexan is 22" high. This is like looking into an aquarium without water. Other places, the LExan is 5.5" high in total, but stick up 3.75" above the tabletop. This heighth was determined by my father-in-law and myself as the height needed to "catch" and keep an AF flying mail bag from a #718 on the platform. Have we had runaway mailbags since? Yep! The gorge Lexan was first as we almost lost an entire passenger train off the trestle one time. Several people each caught a car as it fell. Since the plastic is in place, I have never had another derailment. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47585	From: ppagano_us	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Custom paint and decals?

I'd like to customize a showcaseline f7, for a fallen flag shortline RR. Does anyone know of a contact for custom paint in central PA, also need a contact for custom 1/64 scale decals.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47586	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!

David, not to belabor the point, but why a private e mail? Why not send it so the group can read it and we all can offend him/her/it (to be politically correct)? Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47587	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: GCT in NEWS

Todays Travel & Leisure section has NY's 10 great buildings and GCT is shown. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47588	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

There's not a lot posted about the 314AW, I suspect because there aren't that many still around. As an aid (hopefully) to the next 314AW owner who comes looking here, I've posted what I've been able to piece together in a folder titled "314AW Whistle in Tender". There's a PDF file with circuitry and a basic operation description, and a WMA (video) file showing one in action. I removed the MPG video I'd previously posted. The WMA file is on the order of 80% smaller. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47589	From: Timboy	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: PRR pax cars

Hi Folks, I completed my string of PRR passenger cars. I added a Mail Pickup Car and baggage car to the four passenger cars. I couldn't decided if I liked the tuscan or the maroon paint color better, so I did some of each. I swapped out a fine-link black chain for a larger link gold chain on the handrails. It shows up better. This was an interesting project, but I'm also glad it's done. Now I can turn my attention to a string of ABBB Alco diesels, all powered with one can motor each and all DCC. I want to do them in the red/silver Santa Fe road colors. Here's a link for the passenger cars: http://home.att.net/~timboy/MyTrainLayout.html S-Happens! Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47590	From: Scale S Only	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Protective Railing

A correlary to Murphy's Law -- Bill Winans In the area of the gorge and trestle where the table drops down 17" the Lexan is 22" high. The gorge Lexan was first as we almost lost an entire passenger train off the trestle one time. Several people each caught a car as it fell. ---Since the plastic is in place, I have never had another derailment. ---- Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47591	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: PRR pax cars

Tim A Great Super looking S Gauge layout! Good job, keep the pictures coming, don't know bout y'all but I enjoy looking at our fellow railroaders layouts. Jerry Matsick Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote: Hi Folks, I completed my string of PRR passenger cars. I added a Mail Pickup Car and baggage car to the four passenger cars. I couldn't decided if I liked the tuscan or the maroon paint color better, so I did some of each. I swapped out a fine-link black chain for a larger link gold chain on the handrails. It shows up better. This was an interesting project, but I'm also glad it's done. Now I can turn my attention to a string of ABBB Alco diesels, all powered with one can motor each and all DCC. I want to do them in the red/silver Santa Fe road colors. Here's a link for the passenger cars: http://home.att.net/~timboy/MyTrainLayout.html S-Happens! Tim Brown Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47592	From: Vivamus	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Announcing the new Model Train Wiki

Announcing the new Model Train Wiki. It is a website built by and for model railroading enthusiasts. It has been in existence six days now, and the 61 people who have joined in that time have created 171 pages. It covers all model railroading subjects and scales, although the principal builders have been S people. Registration is free, and registered users have the ability to create and edit most of the content of the site. The site contains file and image galleries, threaded discussion forums, blogs, messaging among members, and much, much more. You can help to build the premier model railroading information storehouse of the 21st century -- and your expertise is needed. Come check it out! Brian Groover www.modeltrainwiki.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47593	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/24/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47594	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

I looked at the diagrams posted and it is a great resource, but it looks to me like the variable 7-15 voltage to the track is interrupted during the blow of the whistle and a fixed rectified voltage is substituted. In a running train, unless it is at full speed, wouldn't that result in an increase in speed? Or does the half-wave rectification reduce the voltage enough that it makes no material difference or even a slowing down? Why wouldn't one rectify the running rail voltage or is that not enough voltage to reliably trigger the relay? Was this essentially the same way the Lionel whistles operated? Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: teeb_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 314AW with Whistle in Tender There's not a lot posted about the 314AW, I suspect because there aren't that many still around. As an aid (hopefully) to the next 314AW owner who comes looking here, I've posted what I've been able to piece together in a folder titled "314AW Whistle in Tender". There's a PDF file with circuitry and a basic operation description, and a WMA (video) file showing one in action. I removed the MPG video I'd previously posted. The WMA file is on the order of 80% smaller. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47595	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!!

there are a few on this list who do this on a regular basis to many of us. I used to get them from some and the one thing you can do, is to block there email address. I am not sure if this is a first for David, but welcome to the club, as that means you are extra special to these people. O:)! Why, they do this, who knows. Maybe they like the attention and to be confrontational. I have this happen in other yahoo groups, many not being train related. So, it is a common thing as the internet is such a new device for us. Just ignore them, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Crpntr12449@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:24 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Gilbert bulb P18N036 -- egads!! David, not to belabor the point, but why a private e mail? Why not send it so the group can read it and we all can offend him/her/it (to be politically correct)? Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47596	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: 2008 Lionel Flyer items are now on TheGilbertGallery.org! Pictures n

For those of you who heven't noted it yet, the URL for The Gilbert Gallery is now a lot easier to remember: TheGilbertGallery.org. I just finished loading the last of the 2008 Lionel Flyer catalog items into the Gallery. If you have ordered any engines, accessories, or The Freedom Train, please email me pictures when you get them. I have ordered the passenger 2-packs and most of the freight cars, so I won't need pictures of them. Thanks for your ongoing help! Bob --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47597	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Am I the only one to notice

Since the default on replys was changed by mods last Oct. to include the entire group (instead of an individual) the interest level here has picked up bigtime? I know it is always better in winter when we have more indoor time, but still look at previous years.Take a look at S- Trains home page for the number of posts that came in each month -- look at the difference just since Oct. As a non-member {lurker} I came to yahoo to read but reallt didn't know what I was missing not getting emails as things were being done before. Chico

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47598	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

Dale, I've attempted to post my thoughts in a different font / color which Yahoo suggests is now doable though I haven't had much success with that so far. If it doesn't work, hopefully you can still pick my input out from yours. > In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > I looked at the diagrams posted and it is a great resource, but it looks to me like the variable 7-15 >voltage to the track is interrupted during the blow of the whistle and a fixed rectified voltage is substituted. In a running train, unless it is at full speed, wouldn't that result in an increase in speed? At first thought, yes, it seems it should speed up the train. In practice, I haven't found that to be the case, in fact, if anything, it sometimes seems to slow down. The additional load of the AC motor driving the whistle could have something to do with this, but I'm guessing your next question is more in play here. Frankly I don't really recall any speed changes when I was a kid (though they could have occurred, but kids tend to like full throttle at all times) and now that the train is some 58 years old, it simply isn't noticeable. Or does the half-wave rectification reduce the voltage enough that it makes no material difference or even a slowing down? This is an area where I wish I had an oscilliscope to actually see what the waveform looked like. But the best I can do is "guess". In the half of the AC cycle when the rectifier is conducting, the voltage will drop by the forward drop of the rectifier (maybe 1 volt?). During this time the AC will also be passed by the capacitor which is parallel with the diode. In the half cycle when the rectifier is not conducting, the AC will still be passed by the capacitor. This is dragging me back to some cobwebs in the brain, but the impedence (analogous to resistance of a resistor) of a capcitor is 1/(2*pi*f*C) or 1/(2*3.14*60*.0004)=6.6 ohms in this case. That doesn't sound like much but the "impedance" of the train motor is probably only on the order of 13 ohms (from a volts/amps measurement) so the train motor is going to see significantly less voltage during this half cycle (due to the voltage drop across the capacitor). This, of course, suggests that if "slow down" were a real issue now, a bigger capacitor (now that they're physically smaller for a given capacitance than they were in 1949) might mitigate the problem. Why wouldn't one rectify the running rail voltage or is that not enough voltage to reliably trigger the relay? I assume by the "running rail voltage" you mean the variable 7-15 volts normally applied, and I suspect your "reliable trigger" supposition and the above voltage drop discussion is the answer. I can tell you with some certainty that the DC relay is a cantankerous little jewel ... well, maybe moreso regards setting the contact spacing than the actual coil action - getting the relay to operate when the switch components are OK hasn't been a problem for me. Was this essentially the same way the Lionel whistles operated? I don't know anything about Lionel so I really can't answer that but I do recall seeing a lot of banter on line about a lawsuit supposedly filed by Lionel against A C Gilbert regards the on board whistle operation (despite considerable effort by a few, no record of such was ever found). Anyway, all the "noise" in that regard suggest that the answer may well be yes. Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: teeb_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:44 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] 314AW with Whistle in Tender > > There's not a lot posted about the 314AW, I suspect because there > aren't that many still around. As an aid (hopefully) to the next 314AW > owner who comes looking here, I've posted what I've been able to piece > together in a folder titled "314AW Whistle in Tender". There's a PDF > file with circuitry and a basic operation description, and a WMA > (video) file showing one in action. > > I removed the MPG video I'd previously posted. The WMA file is on the > order of 80% smaller. > > Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47599	From: phil144091	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Wanted/Needed.....................

Hello all, Looking for S gauge trains in decent shape, however I am unable to pay for them. If you know someone like a family member, friend, etc. that is looking to get rid of their trains I am willing to take them and pay for the shipping costs. The train's will be coming to a smoke free home and will be well taken care of. Sincerely, Phil

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47600	From: michael prell	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Am I the only one to notice

Fun, isn't it? chicocannon1 <chicocannon1@...> wrote: Since the default on replys was changed by mods last Oct. to include the entire group (instead of an individual) the interest level here has picked up bigtime? I know it is always better in winter when we have more indoor time, but still look at previous years.Take a look at S- Trains home page for the number of posts that came in each month -- look at the difference just since Oct. As a non-member {lurker} I came to yahoo to read but reallt didn't know what I was missing not getting emails as things were being done before. Chico "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47601	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this wedne

I hope you will all indulge me in this little foray from S gauge trains. I believe most uf here are concerned about America's history, so I make this plea to you all. All our group has is people writing our representatives. We are not asking congress for any money, just a correction to a badly written legislation. For more background information: www.save-the-delta-queen.org Thanks David Dewey The Delta Queen's fate is in the hands of 13 people. We must reach them by Tuesday, February 26th. Please help! For the first time in this Campaign, legislation to save the Delta Queen could go before the full House of Representatives next week - but only if the House Rules Committee approves an amendment to the Coast Guard Reauthorization Bill that would continue the boat's exemption from the 1966 Safety at Sea Law. The Committee will meet the afternoon of Tuesday, February 26. If you have not done so already, please contact the members of the Rules Committee (see the list below) and urge them to approve Congressman Steve Chabot's amendment to the Coast Guard Reauthorization Bill, H.R. 2830. And even if you have done so, please contact your own Representative and ask him or her to vote in favor of the amendment when and if it reaches the House Floor on Wednesday, February 27. And ask everyone you know to do the same. House of Representatives, Committee on Rules members: Louise McIntosh Slaughter, Committee Chairwoman, New York, 28th District Phone: (202) 225-3615 Fax: (202) 225-7822 Michael Arcuri, New York, 24th District Phone: (202) 225-3665 Fax: (202) 225-1891 James McGovern, Massachusetts, 3rd District Phone: (202) 225-6101 Fax: (202) 225-5759 Alcee Hastings, Florida, 23rd District Phone: (202) 225-1313 Fax: (202) 225-1171 Kathy Castor, Florida, 11th District Phone: (202) 225-3376 Fax: (202) 225-5652 Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Florida, 21st District Phone: (202) 225-4211 Fax: (202) 225-8576 Doris Matsui, California, 5th District Phone: (202) 225-7163 Fax: (202) 225-0566 Dennis Cardoza, California, 18th District Phone: (202) 225-6131 Fax: (202) 225-6424 David Dreier, California, 26th District Phone: (202) 225-2305 Fax: (202) 225-7018 Doc Hastings, Washington, 4th District Phone: (202) 225-5816 Fax: (202) 225-3251 Peter Welch, Vermont, at-large Phone: (202) 225-4115 Fax: (202) 225-6790 Pete Sessions, Texas, 32nd Distric Phone: (202) 225-2231 Fax: (202) 225-5878 Betty Sutton, Ohio, 13th District Phone: (202) 225-3401 Fax: (202) 225-2266 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47602	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted/Needed.....................

Does that mean you do not want steam engines due to smoke and choo choo? phil144091 <phil144091@...> wrote: Hello all, Looking for S gauge trains in decent shape, however I am unable to pay for them. If you know someone like a family member, friend, etc. that is looking to get rid of their trains I am willing to take them and pay for the shipping costs. The train's will be coming to a smoke free home and will be well taken care of. Sincerely, Phil --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47603	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: 2008 Lionel Flyer items are now on TheGilbertGallery.org! Pictur

It would have been nice to add the click on to it as well. ================================================================ Here it is -- moderator http://www.thegilbertgallery.org ================================================================ Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: For those of you who heven't noted it yet, the URL for The Gilbert Gallery is now a lot easier to remember: TheGilbertGallery.org. I just finished loading the last of the 2008 Lionel Flyer catalog items into the Gallery. If you have ordered any engines, accessories, or The Freedom Train, please email me pictures when you get them. I have ordered the passenger 2-packs and most of the freight cars, so I won't need pictures of them. Thanks for your ongoing help! Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47604	From: Sam Blum	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: trade shs scale wheels for shs hirail wheels

like to trade my shs scale wheels for hirail i have 52 scale wheels to trade but i can trade less scale wheels let me know how many you would like to trade

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47605	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: 2008 Lionel Flyer items are now on TheGilbertGallery.org! Pictur

Great... Thx frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: It would have been nice to add the click on to it as well. ================================================================ Here it is -- moderator http://www.thegilbertgallery.org ================================================================ Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: For those of you who heven't noted it yet, the URL for The Gilbert Gallery is now a lot easier to remember: TheGilbertGallery.org. I just finished loading the last of the 2008 Lionel Flyer catalog items into the Gallery. If you have ordered any engines, accessories, or The Freedom Train, please email me pictures when you get them. I have ordered the passenger 2-packs and most of the freight cars, so I won't need pictures of them. Thanks for your ongoing help! Bob --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47606	From: Trains	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: trade shs scale wheels for shs hirail wheels

I have a bunch of highrail wheelsets and also AF style couplers...don't know how many right now. Some of each are SHS and some are AM. Would be interested in swaping for the scale wheelsets. Are these all 33" freight wheels? It will be a while before I can get to everything to find out quanty. Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Blum To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] trade shs scale wheels for shs hirail wheels like to trade my shs scale wheels for hirail i have 52 scale wheels to trade but i can trade less scale wheels let me know how many you would like to trade [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47607	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

I think you have confirmed my suspicions. As to the Lionel isue, as an attorney, I had accesss, before I retired, to Lexis and checked all federal cases from, I believe 1940 to present for the words Gilbert and Lionel and found nothing except an import duty case involving PFM where there was some discussion that their product was not a toy, and should not be subject to duties applicable to toys like those made by "A.C. Gilbert." (It would be a federal case because of diversity of citizenship, with Gilbert and Lionel based in different states.) I think the lawsuit is urban legend. I have heard that the cantankerousness of the relay and other components may have been the reason for the discontinuance of the whistle. I wonder if Lionel got it to work more reliably? Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: teeb_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender Dale, I've attempted to post my thoughts in a different font / color which Yahoo suggests is now doable though I haven't had much success with that so far. If it doesn't work, hopefully you can still pick my input out from yours. > In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> , "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > I looked at the diagrams posted and it is a great resource, but it looks to me like the variable 7-15 >voltage to the track is interrupted during the blow of the whistle and a fixed rectified voltage is substituted. In a running train, unless it is at full speed, wouldn't that result in an increase in speed? At first thought, yes, it seems it should speed up the train. In practice, I haven't found that to be the case, in fact, if anything, it sometimes seems to slow down. The additional load of the AC motor driving the whistle could have something to do with this, but I'm guessing your next question is more in play here. Frankly I don't really recall any speed changes when I was a kid (though they could have occurred, but kids tend to like full throttle at all times) and now that the train is some 58 years old, it simply isn't noticeable. Or does the half-wave rectification reduce the voltage enough that it makes no material difference or even a slowing down? This is an area where I wish I had an oscilliscope to actually see what the waveform looked like. But the best I can do is "guess". In the half of the AC cycle when the rectifier is conducting, the voltage will drop by the forward drop of the rectifier (maybe 1 volt?). During this time the AC will also be passed by the capacitor which is parallel with the diode. In the half cycle when the rectifier is not conducting, the AC will still be passed by the capacitor. This is dragging me back to some cobwebs in the brain, but the impedence (analogous to resistance of a resistor) of a capcitor is 1/(2*pi*f*C) or 1/(2*3.14*60*.0004)=6.6 ohms in this case. That doesn't sound like much but the "impedance" of the train motor is probably only on the order of 13 ohms (from a volts/amps measurement) so the train motor is going to see significantly less voltage during this half cycle (due to the voltage drop across the capacitor). This, of course, suggests that if "slow down" were a real issue now, a bigger capacitor (now that they're physically smaller for a given capacitance than they were in 1949) might mitigate the problem. Why wouldn't one rectify the running rail voltage or is that not enough voltage to reliably trigger the relay? I assume by the "running rail voltage" you mean the variable 7-15 volts normally applied, and I suspect your "reliable trigger" supposition and the above voltage drop discussion is the answer. I can tell you with some certainty that the DC relay is a cantankerous little jewel ... well, maybe moreso regards setting the contact spacing than the actual coil action - getting the relay to operate when the switch components are OK hasn't been a problem for me. Was this essentially the same way the Lionel whistles operated? I don't know anything about Lionel so I really can't answer that but I do recall seeing a lot of banter on line about a lawsuit supposedly filed by Lionel against A C Gilbert regards the on board whistle operation (despite considerable effort by a few, no record of such was ever found). Anyway, all the "noise" in that regard suggest that the answer may well be yes. Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: teeb_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:44 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] 314AW with Whistle in Tender > > There's not a lot posted about the 314AW, I suspect because there > aren't that many still around. As an aid (hopefully) to the next 314AW > owner who comes looking here, I've posted what I've been able to piece > together in a folder titled "314AW Whistle in Tender". There's a PDF > file with circuitry and a basic operation description, and a WMA > (video) file showing one in action. > > I removed the MPG video I'd previously posted. The WMA file is on the > order of 80% smaller. > > Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47608	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Clem's Train and Antique Car Day

Sunday was the much advertised by Clem Clement on the TTML for his annual train and antique car day. My wife and I attended this event for the first time, as Clem was so kind to invite any TCA member and member of his car club to his home for a very nice gathering. Everyone brought in food for the event, as there was plenty to go around, as they had a nice set up in the dining room. As we got there in my nearly antique Cutlass Supreme of 20 years and 277,000 miles on it, LOL, (no car payments more money for trains, it can be done!, as we just got rid of the antique 20 year old van for a new one with 285,000 miles on it and the dealer sold it on the lot!) there where many antique cars in Clem's yard. Maybe 20 or so. All recondition to like new. Upstairs above his garage is Clem's prize collection of trains on the walls and a long permanent table against the wall with L corners on each side of a running layout. Mostly standard gauge, I believe, as there was a line along it of O. There was a nice little oval of AF running too, in which Clem told me it was given to him by his dear friend Bob Tufts, who past away several years ago. Clem and Bob where very close, as they both worked at the Pentagon together discussing high level important things, like York, behind those walls. Bob did sign my TCA application in 1992 and was a great educator in the world of AF to all. Clem gave a nice talk about the trains in the room, as he really likes Pre War Standard Gauge trains. I assume that is WW2. On one wall he had his Ives collection which he likes the best, Ives, dating back to 1921. Other trains on the walls where put in place by color, which was interesting. He showed us many homemade trains he has collected over the years, which you could not tell. One piece was made from a cheese box, some from metal cans, paper rolls, I think. He had one engine that had a horn in it from a Model A or T. One piece had a blender motor in it that you would plug into a electric socket. He showed us a passenger car that he found as a 8 year old sticking out of a trash can somewhere. He got in big trouble for taking it from his parents, but I think they helped him repaint it as it was in bad shape. He told us how he saw a AF train station on a trash can, while heading in full uniform to the Pentagon and he saved it. That must of been a sight to see. He show us his collection of 500 or so Shell tank cars, as he is partial to tankers. And he showed us his 1904 Crane car. On a wall he had a Maple Donut paper hat and how the Maple Donut is the official donut for York, which many of know. How about a official fruit of some kind then? Just kidding, all in portion is fine. And above the hat is a picture of the Pentagon with signatures from co workers when he retired from there in 1983 as well as his service awards and ranks framed next to the picture. I would like to thank Clem for the service he put in for us and the our country. A friend of his showed us some trains that where made in France during WW2. He explained to us, when Germany occupied France, they wanted life to go on as normal as possible, if that was possible at all. He said that Germany had toy train manufacturers in France continue to do what they do. He showed us some passenger cars that where painted with German words and logo's from the French factories. Clem did mention that Ives and another company went out of business in the 1930's because they made trains to look like trains, dull. Where Lionel and Marklin made trains with shiny things on the wheels etc, which was not realistic. They attracted customers and stayed in business. I did not realize that. Anyway, a very nice outing, as I am not sure how many on this list where able to make it to Clem's house. I look forward to coming next year, if invited again. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47609	From: Timboy	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w

Folks, I strongly protest the Moderators on this List condoning the posting of a political agenda, no matter the cause. Thank you, Tim Brown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A note from the moderator.. I am the one who approved the post. It was a jugement call and it was steam related and had a disclaimer in the subject. I felt it would not upset anybody. I guess not! Maybe I was wrong and I beg your forgiveness. Maybe I was not.. The matter is closed. Carl T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47610	From: Steve	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Track trips or a modern alternative?

Hey folks, Was wondering if any of you have come up with an alternative to the Gilbert track trip. They're not extremely hard to find, but a bit expensive in my opinion. I would prefer a true "track trip" type product that could be attached to the track somehow, rather than some sort of reed switch that requires engines to be modified and such. I like the simplicity of the Gilbert trips, but since they are about 15 bucks each, that adds up to a lot of money quickly. The only alternative "off the shelf" that I've seen is a electronic sensing device from rfgco, and that is at the ridiculous price of 40 dollars. I'd like to do something like the Susquehanna S Gaugers did with automatic control. You can see a video of it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z20K-WYfvcU Also, does anyone know how to keep the engines from cycling to reverse while in the holding block aside from locking reverse out on the engine? Thanks! Stephen in FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47611	From: Phil K	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w

FWIW, as a moderator, had it been my decision I would have approved it too. Based on "steam preservation". Phil K =================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote: > > Folks, > > I strongly protest the Moderators on this List condoning the posting of > a political agenda, no matter the cause. Thank you, > Tim Brown > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > A note from the moderator.. > > I am the one who approved the post. It was a jugement call and it was steam related and had a disclaimer in the subject. I felt it would not upset anybody. I guess not! > > Maybe I was wrong and I beg your forgiveness. > Maybe I was not.. > > The matter is closed. > > Carl T. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47612	From: Phil K	Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

Dale -- I did extensive research on this a few years ago as I, too, thought it was an urban legend. Lionel and Gilbert each made a lot of money knocking off each other's trains and accessories for years. Lionel's legal department told me they cannot find any documentation to support the 314AW lawsuit rumor -- either a polite warning (cease and desist) letter or an actual lawsuit. As we all know this rumor, by the way, has taken on a life of its own. It has been parroted and regurgitated and propagated incorrectly in most books about A.C. Gilbert American Flyer. Gilbert's Maury Romer said in his later years during an interview with the late Peter Jugle that he knew of no legal problems regarding the 314AW whistle unit. So that confirms the 314AW patent infringement story is little more than a rumor gone ballistic. Romer knew EVERYTHING that went on inside that company. Truth is -- and if you've ever seen all the stuff packed into a 314AW tender (reverse unit, whistle trigger system and mechanical whistle itself), you'll understand. They were extremely difficult to service when they malfunctioned, which apparently was far too often. Romer told Peter Jugle, a great historian, American Flyer authorized service centers complained loudly to Gilbert, because repairs inside the tenders were both difficult and time-consuming. Now, if someone will write a decent history of American Flyer without the innuendo and opinions-aged-into-fact due to rampant plagiarism. Phil K ==================================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > I think you have confirmed my suspicions. As to the Lionel isue, as an attorney, I had accesss, before I retired, to Lexis and checked all federal cases from, I believe 1940 to present for the words Gilbert and Lionel and found nothing except an import duty case involving PFM where there was some discussion that their product was not a toy, and should not be subject to duties applicable to toys like those made by "A.C. Gilbert." (It would be a federal case because of diversity of citizenship, with Gilbert and Lionel based in different states.) I think the lawsuit is urban legend. I have heard that the cantankerousness of the relay and other components may have been the reason for the discontinuance of the whistle. I wonder if Lionel got it to work more reliably? > > Dale Smith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: teeb_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:53 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender > > > > Dale, > > I've attempted to post my thoughts in a different font / color which > Yahoo suggests is now doable though I haven't had much success with that > so far. If it doesn't work, hopefully you can still pick my input out > from yours. > > > In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S- Trains@yahoogroups.com> , "Dale > Smith" <dfsmith26@> wrote: > > I looked at the diagrams posted and it is a great resource, but it > looks to me like the variable 7-15 >voltage to the track is interrupted > during the blow of the whistle and a fixed rectified voltage is > substituted. In a running train, unless it is at full speed, wouldn't > that result in an increase in speed? > > At first thought, yes, it seems it should speed up the train. In > practice, I haven't found that to be the case, in fact, if anything, it > sometimes seems to slow down. The additional load of the AC motor > driving the whistle could have something to do with this, but I'm > guessing your next question is more in play here. Frankly I don't > really recall any speed changes when I was a kid (though they could have > occurred, but kids tend to like full throttle at all times) and now that > the train is some 58 years old, it simply isn't noticeable. > > Or does the half-wave rectification reduce the voltage enough that it > makes no material difference or even a slowing down? > > This is an area where I wish I had an oscilliscope to actually see what > the waveform looked like. But the best I can do is "guess". In the > half of the AC cycle when the rectifier is conducting, the voltage will > drop by the forward drop of the rectifier (maybe 1 volt?). During this > time the AC will also be passed by the capacitor which is parallel with > the diode. In the half cycle when the rectifier is not conducting, the > AC will still be passed by the capacitor. This is dragging me back to > some cobwebs in the brain, but the impedence (analogous to resistance of > a resistor) of a capcitor is 1/(2*pi*f*C) or 1/(2*3.14*60*.0004) =6.6 > ohms in this case. That doesn't sound like much but the "impedance" of > the train motor is probably only on the order of 13 ohms (from a > volts/amps measurement) so the train motor is going to see significantly > less voltage during this half cycle (due to the voltage drop across the > capacitor). This, of course, suggests that if "slow down" were a real > issue now, a bigger capacitor (now that they're physically smaller for a > given capacitance than they were in 1949) might mitigate the problem. > > Why wouldn't one rectify the running rail voltage or is that not enough > voltage to reliably trigger the relay? > > I assume by the "running rail voltage" you mean the variable 7- 15 volts > normally applied, and I suspect your "reliable trigger" supposition and > the above voltage drop discussion is the answer. I can tell you with > some certainty that the DC relay is a cantankerous little jewel ... > well, maybe moreso regards setting the contact spacing than the actual > coil action - getting the relay to operate when the switch components > are OK hasn't been a problem for me. > > Was this essentially the same way the Lionel whistles operated? > > I don't know anything about Lionel so I really can't answer that but I > do recall seeing a lot of banter on line about a lawsuit supposedly > filed by Lionel against A C Gilbert regards the on board whistle > operation (despite considerable effort by a few, no record of such was > ever found). Anyway, all the "noise" in that regard suggest that the > answer may well be yes. > > Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: teeb_1 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:44 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] 314AW with Whistle in Tender > > > > There's not a lot posted about the 314AW, I suspect because there > > aren't that many still around. As an aid (hopefully) to the next 314AW > > owner who comes looking here, I've posted what I've been able to piece > > together in a folder titled "314AW Whistle in Tender". There's a PDF > > file with circuitry and a basic operation description, and a WMA > > (video) file showing one in action. > > > > I removed the MPG video I'd previously posted. The WMA file is on the > > order of 80% smaller. > > > > Steve > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47613	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline ...

I too would have approved the message. Its a no-win decision cause you can't make everybody happy. I respect Timboy for his opinion but it was steam related as you pointed out. And this is not one of those real partisan issues like Bush vs. Kerry. - Earl Henry In a message dated 2/25/2008 11:02:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: FWIW, as a moderator, had it been my decision I would have approved it too. Based on "steam preservation"i Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47614	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Dad's Trains

Train Friends, I got an email today... Is there anyone in the Indianapolis area that would be willing to assist some folks with getting 'dad's trains' running again? E-mail me off list. -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47615	From: Timboy	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w

Hi Folks, My response is that the Delta Queen is a scow and should be scuttled. Thank you, Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47616	From: Glenn	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w

Now Now Tim, A model of the Delta Queen would look great on any S Scale layout that has a river. I only have ponds and streams on my layout. I would be interested to hear if the Delta Queen is saved but please no more negatives. Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this wednesday. Hi Folks, My response is that the Delta Queen is a scow and should be scuttled. Thank you, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47617	From: michael prell	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w

Some scow! I wish I had a scow like that Lady. Fact is I do, just like you. Her name's Delta and she was quite a Queen. But alas, just like the Hudson, if noone cares and wants her turned to scrap, then I suppose there's nothing more to say, is there? Timboy <Timboy@...> wrote: Hi Folks, My response is that the Delta Queen is a scow and should be scuttled. Thank you, Tim Brown "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47618	From: michael prell	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

Either way, I'm glad that I hung on to mine! Just another part of what makes this hobby so darned fascinating! Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: Dale -- I did extensive research on this a few years ago as I, too, thought it was an urban legend. Lionel and Gilbert each made a lot of money knocking off each other's trains and accessories for years. Lionel's legal department told me they cannot find any documentation to support the 314AW lawsuit rumor -- either a polite warning (cease and desist) letter or an actual lawsuit. As we all know this rumor, by the way, has taken on a life of its own. It has been parroted and regurgitated and propagated incorrectly in most books about A.C. Gilbert American Flyer. Gilbert's Maury Romer said in his later years during an interview with the late Peter Jugle that he knew of no legal problems regarding the 314AW whistle unit. So that confirms the 314AW patent infringement story is little more than a rumor gone ballistic. Romer knew EVERYTHING that went on inside that company. Truth is -- and if you've ever seen all the stuff packed into a 314AW tender (reverse unit, whistle trigger system and mechanical whistle itself), you'll understand. They were extremely difficult to service when they malfunctioned, which apparently was far too often. Romer told Peter Jugle, a great historian, American Flyer authorized service centers complained loudly to Gilbert, because repairs inside the tenders were both difficult and time-consuming. Now, if someone will write a decent history of American Flyer without the innuendo and opinions-aged-into-fact due to rampant plagiarism. Phil K ==================================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > I think you have confirmed my suspicions. As to the Lionel isue, as an attorney, I had accesss, before I retired, to Lexis and checked all federal cases from, I believe 1940 to present for the words Gilbert and Lionel and found nothing except an import duty case involving PFM where there was some discussion that their product was not a toy, and should not be subject to duties applicable to toys like those made by "A.C. Gilbert." (It would be a federal case because of diversity of citizenship, with Gilbert and Lionel based in different states.) I think the lawsuit is urban legend. I have heard that the cantankerousness of the relay and other components may have been the reason for the discontinuance of the whistle. I wonder if Lionel got it to work more reliably? > > Dale Smith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: teeb_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:53 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender > > > > Dale, > > I've attempted to post my thoughts in a different font / color which > Yahoo suggests is now doable though I haven't had much success with that > so far. If it doesn't work, hopefully you can still pick my input out > from yours. > > > In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S- Trains@yahoogroups.com> , "Dale > Smith" <dfsmith26@> wrote: > > I looked at the diagrams posted and it is a great resource, but it > looks to me like the variable 7-15 >voltage to the track is interrupted > during the blow of the whistle and a fixed rectified voltage is > substituted. In a running train, unless it is at full speed, wouldn't > that result in an increase in speed? > > At first thought, yes, it seems it should speed up the train. In > practice, I haven't found that to be the case, in fact, if anything, it > sometimes seems to slow down. The additional load of the AC motor > driving the whistle could have something to do with this, but I'm > guessing your next question is more in play here. Frankly I don't > really recall any speed changes when I was a kid (though they could have > occurred, but kids tend to like full throttle at all times) and now that > the train is some 58 years old, it simply isn't noticeable. > > Or does the half-wave rectification reduce the voltage enough that it > makes no material difference or even a slowing down? > > This is an area where I wish I had an oscilliscope to actually see what > the waveform looked like. But the best I can do is "guess". In the > half of the AC cycle when the rectifier is conducting, the voltage will > drop by the forward drop of the rectifier (maybe 1 volt?). During this > time the AC will also be passed by the capacitor which is parallel with > the diode. In the half cycle when the rectifier is not conducting, the > AC will still be passed by the capacitor. This is dragging me back to > some cobwebs in the brain, but the impedence (analogous to resistance of > a resistor) of a capcitor is 1/(2*pi*f*C) or 1/(2*3.14*60*.0004) =6.6 > ohms in this case. That doesn't sound like much but the "impedance" of > the train motor is probably only on the order of 13 ohms (from a > volts/amps measurement) so the train motor is going to see significantly > less voltage during this half cycle (due to the voltage drop across the > capacitor). This, of course, suggests that if "slow down" were a real > issue now, a bigger capacitor (now that they're physically smaller for a > given capacitance than they were in 1949) might mitigate the problem. > > Why wouldn't one rectify the running rail voltage or is that not enough > voltage to reliably trigger the relay? > > I assume by the "running rail voltage" you mean the variable 7- 15 volts > normally applied, and I suspect your "reliable trigger" supposition and > the above voltage drop discussion is the answer. I can tell you with > some certainty that the DC relay is a cantankerous little jewel ... > well, maybe moreso regards setting the contact spacing than the actual > coil action - getting the relay to operate when the switch components > are OK hasn't been a problem for me. > > Was this essentially the same way the Lionel whistles operated? > > I don't know anything about Lionel so I really can't answer that but I > do recall seeing a lot of banter on line about a lawsuit supposedly > filed by Lionel against A C Gilbert regards the on board whistle > operation (despite considerable effort by a few, no record of such was > ever found). Anyway, all the "noise" in that regard suggest that the > answer may well be yes. > > Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: teeb_1 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:44 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] 314AW with Whistle in Tender > > > > There's not a lot posted about the 314AW, I suspect because there > > aren't that many still around. As an aid (hopefully) to the next 314AW > > owner who comes looking here, I've posted what I've been able to piece > > together in a folder titled "314AW Whistle in Tender". There's a PDF > > file with circuitry and a basic operation description, and a WMA > > (video) file showing one in action. > > > > I removed the MPG video I'd previously posted. The WMA file is on the > > order of 80% smaller. > > > > Steve > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47619	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w

Ok; I can't keep my mouth shut any further. Either you open up the list for any and all postings of a "preservation", "steam", or other great cause, or you keep it on topic. Can't have it both ways, and cannot display favoritism. As a group of moderators, you loose credibility. As was stated, a "no-win" situation, but a situation easily avoided, simply don't post the note. So, are we saying we can't admit an error? Or is it really true that because of an up front apology and the fact that it has "steam" in it, that makes it ok on a TOY TRAIN list?? "Steam" does not make it S guage related, period. We got steam boats, steam airplanes (didn't work very well), steam cars, steam tractors, industrial steam engines,,,,, lets not forget steam ships, what about the Queen Mary??? You blew this one, moderators, admit it, and move on! cheers phil d ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes it seems we may have. Point taken.. Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > My response is that the Delta Queen is a scow and should be scuttled. > > Thank you, > Tim Brown >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47620	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains

Yes..... this is an "S" list...... But a lot of us are good Friends too..... Many.... And from time to time we post something that concerns us and is off topic.......... I got a lot of help when I lost my Wife from these Guys and Gals.... I feel if I need an answer to something, even very personal, I can go to these friends..... History needs to be saved if possible...... OR WE ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.....Bob -------------- Original message from "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...>: -------------- Ok; I can't keep my mouth shut any further. Either you open up the list for any and all postings of a "preservation", "steam", or other great cause, or you keep it on topic. Can't have it both ways, and cannot display favoritism. As a group of moderators, you loose credibility. As was stated, a "no-win" situation, but a situation easily avoided, simply don't post the note. So, are we saying we can't admit an error? Or is it really true that because of an up front apology and the fact that it has "steam" in it, that makes it ok on a TOY TRAIN list?? "Steam" does not make it S guage related, period. We got steam boats, steam airplanes (didn't work very well), steam cars, steam tractors, industrial steam engines,,,,, lets not forget steam ships, what about the Queen Mary??? You blew this one, moderators, admit it, and move on! cheers phil d ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes it seems we may have. Point taken.. Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > My response is that the Delta Queen is a scow and should be scuttled. > > Thank you, > Tim Brown > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47621	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w

Ya know, I think my "delete" key even works faster on this new Mac. The steamboat post didn't bother me HALF as much as the other toy train related posts here that don't interest or pertain to me. DC, DCC, TMCC, Run DMC, RSVP, BYOB,......I just hit "delete". Rick "No way I'd be a Mod" Evans. > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47622	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains

To Phil D, What does your non-train gripe about non-train related posts make it, train related? The amount of "STEAM" you let off? Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47623	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w

I will second that !!! Al ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this wednesday. Ya know, I think my "delete" key even works faster on this new Mac. The steamboat post didn't bother me HALF as much as the other toy train related posts here that don't interest or pertain to me. DC, DCC, TMCC, Run DMC, RSVP, BYOB,......I just hit "delete". Rick "No way I'd be a Mod" Evans. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47624	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains

Mike, you better be careful with having your address on this list for all to see. LOL Actually, but hearing about others people's interest on this list, that lead to other things between me and those people. IE. Seeing how Jerry Dobbs takes his bike to York, lead to a nice meeting with him, his wife and his friends, the Grays, (TCA members but O) as we had two nice dinners and a bike ride together. And learning how Rance used to live right by me at one time and how he comes back to states allot, has lead him to my house 3 times now. I have no problem with hearing about others people's interest from time to time. It nice to know, as I know that Bob O'Connor is into airplanes. And I know that David Dewey is into music a bit and cars, as I am now about to send him some copies of folk songs about steam ships. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Not S trains To Phil D, What does your non-train gripe about non-train related posts make it, train related? The amount of "STEAM" you let off? Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47625	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w

Me too, we need a little tolerance. We all have a delete key. I mean how much are you really inconvenienced by a slightly off topic post. One man's scow is another mans treasure. I don't believe the moderators "blew it". --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Paolozzi" <amflyral@...> wrote: > > I will second that !!! Al > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Evans > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:54 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this wednesday. > > > Ya know, I think my "delete" key even works faster on this new Mac. > The steamboat post didn't bother me HALF as much as the > other toy train related posts here that don't interest or pertain to > me. > > DC, DCC, TMCC, Run DMC, RSVP, BYOB,......I just hit "delete". > > Rick "No way I'd be a Mod" Evans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47626	From: Phil K	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: About posting "causes" on S-Trains

Phil Dunlop -- Obviously, we have a difference of opinion on this. You believe the moderators made a "mistake". I do not. Others have chimed in with their own thoughts. We do have a "no politics, no religion" rule on this forum. "Causes" involving government are not always "political" in the true sense. The post being singled out in this instance was not objectionable in the opinion of the moderators. There is no taxpayer money involved -- the cause is to extend an expiring permit, that's all. It's not like it's a fundraising plea for one of our presidential candidates. There may be more "causes" submitted in the future. They will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis by the moderators. Not all will receive a "rubber stamp". The "cause" being questioned here was clearly identified in the subject line. No one forced anyone to read it. We all have a "delete" key. It's rather silly to complain about things you don't have to read in the first place. The mods here do a thankless job. We do the best we can, and we realize we will never make everyone happy. In return, we do not need to be browbeaten by a few malcontents. So all decisions we need to make are based solely on what's best for the majority of members -- not just one or two complainers. We have allowed a few rebuttals on this, but I think one to a customer is sufficient. Anything more is detrimental to the board, which will not be used as a forum for serve-and volley arguments. Phil K =================================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote: > > Ok; > > I can't keep my mouth shut any further. Either you open up the list > for any and all postings of a "preservation", "steam", or other great > cause, or you keep it on topic. Can't have it both ways, and cannot > display favoritism. As a group of moderators, you loose credibility. > As was stated, a "no-win" situation, but a situation easily avoided, > simply don't post the note. So, are we saying we can't admit an > error? Or is it really true that because of an up front apology and > the fact that it has "steam" in it, that makes it ok on a TOY TRAIN > list?? > > "Steam" does not make it S guage related, period. We got steam boats, > steam airplanes (didn't work very well), steam cars, steam tractors, > industrial steam engines,,,,, lets not forget steam ships, what about > the Queen Mary??? > > You blew this one, moderators, admit it, and move on! > > cheers > phil d >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47627	From: michael prell	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: About posting "causes" on S-Trains

How's the old saying go? No good deed goes unpunished? Anyway, on a positive note, let's hope that the old gal can be saved. Nuff said? Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: Phil Dunlop -- Obviously, we have a difference of opinion on this. You believe the moderators made a "mistake". I do not. Others have chimed in with their own thoughts. We do have a "no politics, no religion" rule on this forum. "Causes" involving government are not always "political" in the true sense. The post being singled out in this instance was not objectionable in the opinion of the moderators. There is no taxpayer money involved -- the cause is to extend an expiring permit, that's all. It's not like it's a fundraising plea for one of our presidential candidates. There may be more "causes" submitted in the future. They will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis by the moderators. Not all will receive a "rubber stamp". The "cause" being questioned here was clearly identified in the subject line. No one forced anyone to read it. We all have a "delete" key. It's rather silly to complain about things you don't have to read in the first place. The mods here do a thankless job. We do the best we can, and we realize we will never make everyone happy. In return, we do not need to be browbeaten by a few malcontents. So all decisions we need to make are based solely on what's best for the majority of members -- not just one or two complainers. We have allowed a few rebuttals on this, but I think one to a customer is sufficient. Anything more is detrimental to the board, which will not be used as a forum for serve-and volley arguments. Phil K =================================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote: > > Ok; > > I can't keep my mouth shut any further. Either you open up the list > for any and all postings of a "preservation", "steam", or other great > cause, or you keep it on topic. Can't have it both ways, and cannot > display favoritism. As a group of moderators, you loose credibility. > As was stated, a "no-win" situation, but a situation easily avoided, > simply don't post the note. So, are we saying we can't admit an > error? Or is it really true that because of an up front apology and > the fact that it has "steam" in it, that makes it ok on a TOY TRAIN > list?? > > "Steam" does not make it S guage related, period. We got steam boats, > steam airplanes (didn't work very well), steam cars, steam tractors, > industrial steam engines,,,,, lets not forget steam ships, what about > the Queen Mary??? > > You blew this one, moderators, admit it, and move on! > > cheers > phil d > "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47628	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Steam Locomotive Poll Results

Hi All, The results of the unscientific steam locomotive poll are in. The poll question was: "I own one or more of the following steam locomotives. I rate my experience as:" The choices were: pleased, neutral or displeased. There were answers given representing 206 different steam locomotives. The results are: Lionel Docksider: 58% pleased, 25% neutral and 17% displeased. Lionel 2-8-2 Mikado: 83% pleased, 17% neutral and 0% displeased. Lionel 4-6-2 Pacific: 100% pleased, 0% neutral and 0% displeased. Lionel 4-8-4 Northern: 55% pleased, 35% neutral and 10% displeased. All Lionel: 70% pleased, 22% neutral and 8% displeased. American Models 4-6-2 Pacific: 70% pleased, 18% neutral and 12% displeased. American Models 4-8-4 Northern: 84% pleased, 3% neutral and 13% displeased. American Models J3a Hudson: 92% pleased, 0% neutral and 8% displeased. All American Models: 79% pleased, 9% neutral and 12% displeased. S-Helper 2-8-0: 88% pleased, 8% neutral and 4% displeased. All: 76% pleased, 15% neutral and 9% displeased. You can have fun working up your own statistics and start flaming away at each other now – lol! My only comment is that I was completely surprised that the overall "pleased" rate is only 76% and the highest "pleased" rate is S-Helper at only 88%. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47629	From: roy inman	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Poll Results

Whoa, the highest pleased rate is the Lionel 4-6-2 Pacific, @100%, according to the list. I am curious to know, of the 4% displeased with the SHS 2-8-0, what were your complaints? Roy Inman From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:58:30 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Steam Locomotive Poll Results Hi All, The results of the unscientific steam locomotive poll are in. The poll question was: "I own one or more of the following steam locomotives. I rate my experience as:" The choices were: pleased, neutral or displeased. There were answers given representing 206 different steam locomotives. The results are: Lionel Docksider: 58% pleased, 25% neutral and 17% displeased. Lionel 2-8-2 Mikado: 83% pleased, 17% neutral and 0% displeased. Lionel 4-6-2 Pacific: 100% pleased, 0% neutral and 0% displeased. Lionel 4-8-4 Northern: 55% pleased, 35% neutral and 10% displeased. All Lionel: 70% pleased, 22% neutral and 8% displeased. American Models 4-6-2 Pacific: 70% pleased, 18% neutral and 12% displeased. American Models 4-8-4 Northern: 84% pleased, 3% neutral and 13% displeased. American Models J3a Hudson: 92% pleased, 0% neutral and 8% displeased. All American Models: 79% pleased, 9% neutral and 12% displeased. S-Helper 2-8-0: 88% pleased, 8% neutral and 4% displeased. All: 76% pleased, 15% neutral and 9% displeased. You can have fun working up your own statistics and start flaming away at each other now – lol! My only comment is that I was completely surprised that the overall "pleased" rate is only 76% and the highest "pleased" rate is S-Helper at only 88%. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47630	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Dad's Trains

Hello, Ron Valiton (Robins Trains) in Fort Wayne can help this gentleman...260-747-4485 Fred In a message dated 2/26/2008 9:03:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, s_trains@... writes: Train Friends, I got an email today... Is there anyone in the Indianapolis area that would be willing to assist some folks with getting 'dad's trains' running again? E-mail me off list. -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47631	From: velapoldi	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: About posting "causes" on S-Trains

To the Moderators: Thanks for doing the job. Keep on doing it!!!!! As we all know, we can't please everyone - in fact, one is lucky to please 33 1/3% - the ones who agree. The remaining part (66 2/3%) is made up of 33 1/3 % of the people people who don't agree, and the remaining 33 1/3% who don't want to get embroiled (although I can't imagine that there are 33 1/3% of those on this list!!) In any case, thanks again for doing a thankless job (for 33 1/3% thankful people!). Enjoy the list, wouldn't change, I just use the delete when necessary. regards to all 100% Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47632	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: The First Train Robbery!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOscof77g_s The first train robbery!!! And he is a actual person! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47633	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Poll Results

Roy - The SHS 2-8-0 with DCC is super 100%, a number of the guys I talked with do not like as I don't the LOCOMATIC unit with the sound and control that it has, you are talking night and day Locomatic vs DCC! Jerry Matsick roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Whoa, the highest pleased rate is the Lionel 4-6-2 Pacific, @100%, according to the list. I am curious to know, of the 4% displeased with the SHS 2-8-0, what were your complaints? Roy Inman From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:58:30 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Steam Locomotive Poll Results Hi All, The results of the unscientific steam locomotive poll are in. The poll question was: "I own one or more of the following steam locomotives. I rate my experience as:" The choices were: pleased, neutral or displeased. There were answers given representing 206 different steam locomotives. The results are: Lionel Docksider: 58% pleased, 25% neutral and 17% displeased. Lionel 2-8-2 Mikado: 83% pleased, 17% neutral and 0% displeased. Lionel 4-6-2 Pacific: 100% pleased, 0% neutral and 0% displeased. Lionel 4-8-4 Northern: 55% pleased, 35% neutral and 10% displeased. All Lionel: 70% pleased, 22% neutral and 8% displeased. American Models 4-6-2 Pacific: 70% pleased, 18% neutral and 12% displeased. American Models 4-8-4 Northern: 84% pleased, 3% neutral and 13% displeased. American Models J3a Hudson: 92% pleased, 0% neutral and 8% displeased. All American Models: 79% pleased, 9% neutral and 12% displeased. S-Helper 2-8-0: 88% pleased, 8% neutral and 4% displeased. All: 76% pleased, 15% neutral and 9% displeased. You can have fun working up your own statistics and start flaming away at each other now – lol! My only comment is that I was completely surprised that the overall "pleased" rate is only 76% and the highest "pleased" rate is S-Helper at only 88%. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47634	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w

acgilbertflyer wrote: > > > > Me too, we need a little tolerance. > > We all have a delete key. > > I mean how much are you really inconvenienced by a slightly off topic > post. > > One man's scow is another mans treasure. > > I don't believe the moderators "blew it". I'm the list admin for a Jaguar E-type sports car list. I allow a little leeway in the posts because we are a community. If the occasional post doesn't appeal to you, you always have the "delete key" option. It's the occasional off topic posts that makes a list a community. If we all just wanted to hear about trains we would be a dry technical list. I personally just care for American Flyer but I find the other posts interesting as well. The moderators have a difficult job. if you don't think so, volunteer to be one. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47635	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this w

It is kind of funny and sad, how David had one little email about something and now it has taken off on the pro and cons of what he or any of us might send in the future. If it was ignored by all of those who did not care about it, it would of died and we now have about 50 emails about this situation. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: George Cohn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline this wednesday. acgilbertflyer wrote: > > > > Me too, we need a little tolerance. > > We all have a delete key. > > I mean how much are you really inconvenienced by a slightly off topic > post. > > One man's scow is another mans treasure. > > I don't believe the moderators "blew it". I'm the list admin for a Jaguar E-type sports car list. I allow a little leeway in the posts because we are a community. If the occasional post doesn't appeal to you, you always have the "delete key" option. It's the occasional off topic posts that makes a list a community. If we all just wanted to hear about trains we would be a dry technical list. I personally just care for American Flyer but I find the other posts interesting as well. The moderators have a difficult job. if you don't think so, volunteer to be one. ;-) George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47636	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Poll

From looking at the "displeased", this crowd must be tough. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47637	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: About posting "causes" on S-Trains

Of all the groups I belong to, the moderators on this list do what is probably the best job of making this a pleasant list to read and are to be commended. The subject matter, with very few exceptions, is right on topic. Obviously controversial subjects are to be avoided, but who would have thought this was controversial? The subsequent back and forth was more off topic than the simple post itself. Deleting or not reading is the solution. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] About posting "causes" on S-Trains Phil Dunlop -- Obviously, we have a difference of opinion on this. You believe the moderators made a "mistake". I do not. Others have chimed in with their own thoughts. We do have a "no politics, no religion" rule on this forum. "Causes" involving government are not always "political" in the true sense. The post being singled out in this instance was not objectionable in the opinion of the moderators. There is no taxpayer money involved -- the cause is to extend an expiring permit, that's all. It's not like it's a fundraising plea for one of our presidential candidates. There may be more "causes" submitted in the future. They will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis by the moderators. Not all will receive a "rubber stamp". The "cause" being questioned here was clearly identified in the subject line. No one forced anyone to read it. We all have a "delete" key. It's rather silly to complain about things you don't have to read in the first place. The mods here do a thankless job. We do the best we can, and we realize we will never make everyone happy. In return, we do not need to be browbeaten by a few malcontents. So all decisions we need to make are based solely on what's best for the majority of members -- not just one or two complainers. We have allowed a few rebuttals on this, but I think one to a customer is sufficient. Anything more is detrimental to the board, which will not be used as a forum for serve-and volley arguments. Phil K =================================================================== --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote: > > Ok; > > I can't keep my mouth shut any further. Either you open up the list > for any and all postings of a "preservation", "steam", or other great > cause, or you keep it on topic. Can't have it both ways, and cannot > display favoritism. As a group of moderators, you loose credibility. > As was stated, a "no-win" situation, but a situation easily avoided, > simply don't post the note. So, are we saying we can't admit an > error? Or is it really true that because of an up front apology and > the fact that it has "steam" in it, that makes it ok on a TOY TRAIN > list?? > > "Steam" does not make it S guage related, period. We got steam boats, > steam airplanes (didn't work very well), steam cars, steam tractors, > industrial steam engines,,,,, lets not forget steam ships, what about > the Queen Mary??? > > You blew this one, moderators, admit it, and move on! > > cheers > phil d > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47638	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Not S trains, but preservation of history with a deadline ...

All, David had made a post/request like this 6-9 months ago. There was no up roar then. At least this time he has gotten a lot more people to get involved. Maybe a few even have called or written. Phil D has in some way helped David & this group too. Heck I even learned to make Blueberry Muffins(Thanks Mike M) Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 PS: & I get to put out my ad for smoke fluid **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47639	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Atlas and S???

At the recent World's Greatest Hobby Show in Hampton, VA I had a long talk with the guys from Atlas. I started the conversation by stating that on their layout there was a large space between their HO train track and their O gauge train track, and that an S gauge train would fit perfectly between the two. To which, they replied something like "How 'bout that!!" We then talked further and they mentioned that with the demise of K-Line there was a gap in S gauge for lower-priced items and starter sets. We also talked about the Industrial Rail caboose mold (which they now possess), and which is dead-on S gauge. Anyhow, the more we talked the more it became obvious that there have already been at least some initial or informal discussions at Atlas about S gauge. The next time any of you encounter the Atlas folks (for instance, at York), please encourage them to get into S gauge. There seems to be a real good possibility here. Contrast this with the Bachmann booth where they had a huge banner that read: "All Gauges, N to G". When I challenged them about this and encouraged them to convert some of their On30 to S gauge, they just shrugged their shoulders. The Lionel folks at least had a small display of "Gilbert" American Flyer consisting of 6 cars. However, one of these was the gross and ugly looking depressed center flatcar (which was nothing more than the O gauge [not even 027] depressed center flatcar body with S gauge trucks) and 2 of the other cars were in their boxes upside down. Oh well, at least they had some AF there. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47640	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: O gauge predecessor of the 314W

Gilbert offered an on-board whistle that was DC triggered in the 490 tinplate baggage car, which is much more spacious than the Pennsy tenders. The motors could be oiled via a hole in the top of the shell. But tabs had to be unbent & rebent to otherwise service the motor & piston. I don't recall what circuitry differences there might be between the 490 & 314W. But the 490 has a conventional eunit wired in series with the DC-detecting relay. The wiring's such that once activated, the whistle will remain operational without a switch being depressed by human or other creatures' appendages. It's interesting that the speculation about the lawsuit does not explain why the 490 was offered in the catalogs of 40, 41 & 42. I think that the theory about seviceability is a sensible explanation for the quick demise of the on-board electro-mechanical whistles. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47641	From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout

1.VIDEO: : http://youtube.com/watch?v=2XpBEt-5gjg Note you need a broadband connection to play this 9 minute YouTube video, but no special software, except a reasonably up-to-date browser. 2===PHOTOS: : Photos of this same layout are on the Susquehanna S Gaugers (aka SSG) website here: * http://trainweb.org/pa/jer01/ -- photos. * http://trainweb.org/pa/jer01/about.html -- text for 2005 S Gaugian Article. * http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com -- Susquehanna S Gaugers main website. 3===ABOUT THE LAYOUT: : This YouTube video shows the S gauge tinplate "Christmas Fantasy Layout", located near Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania. In my ever-so-humble opinion, this is a layout that would have fit right in, with the Gilbert Hall of Science in NYC back when it existed. I.e. a display-type layout with loads of action and superb visual appeal. It's a 5x12 platform, with a 4-foot extension to complete an L-shaped configuration, and has 9 loops of track. 4===ABOUT THE BUILDER, MARK: : The layout builder, Mark, has an amazing talent for cramming an amazing amount of track, buildings, scenery, and action into a limited space. If some of us tried this, it would look like an overcrowded hodgepodge. But Mark has a rare talent, that the finished product all blends together in a visual delight -- exhibiting a level of artistic skill that some of us can only dream about. Said another way, if you have seen Bill Fraley's highly detailed s- Scale layout in Hershey Pennsylvania, one of the many things you might admire, is Bill's ability to cram a lot of scenery and buildings into a limited space . . . and have it all look great. Now, if you can try a imagine a "tinplate version of Bill Fraley" -- that might be Mark ! 5===S GAUGIAN MAGAZINE : This layout was shown in S Gaugian magazine, back in the Nov/Dec 2005 issue, pages 20 & 21. The approximate text used for the article is on the SSG website, and is also copied below. ======================= TEXT FOR S GAUGIAN ARTICLE (written by Mark the builder) ======================= a) HOW IT STARTED It all started (again) in 1985, when after Christmas dinner with friends, I said "Hey, we should get out my old trains from when I was a kid." So we set up my American Flyer set, with my 21185 Engine and several freight cars in a standard oval of 12 curves and four straights on the kitchen floor. My small children and the two women looked over our shoulders as they cleaned up the turkey dinner. Over twenty years later I am still faithfully laying out a Christmas display that now consumes my living room. b) CONTINUING THE TRADITION The second year began with a 4x8 sheet of plywood, which eventually grew to the present day 5x12 platform, with a 4-foot extension to complete an L-shaped configuration. My goal has always been to create a Christmas yard, which was a tradition in my family when I was growing up. My grandmother and my brother were usually in charge. That tradition started with my father's No. 1 gauge Lionel set, but transformed into an American Flyer set in the early '60s. c) FOCUSED ON FUN FOR THE KIDS My Christmas layout has been focused on fun for kids and the toy aspect of American Flyer trains. When my oldest daughter Cara was seven, we started having her schoolmates come over for a caroling party and a train run afterward. This established the goal for when the platform needed to be completed. Thanksgiving weekend signaled the beginning of the mad rush to create a new Christmas fantasy. d) THE WHOLE FAMILY PARTICIPATED IN CONSTRUCTION As I worked on wiring new accessories or section of track and tried to work the bugs out of the 40-year old engines, my family began the daunting task of resetting the village scenes. This process began with decorating the Christmas tree, which always stood towering over the layout. Cara and Devin's favorite part of each year's build was laying out the farm scene. Devin had an eye for detail, such as breaking spaghetti into "corn" for the Plasticville corncrib, and cutting down a drink umbrella to shade a couple relaxing on the beach. Cara talked about the personal lives of the people as she placed them around the platform. e) ACCESSORIES SELECTED WITH THE KIDS IN MIND I enjoyed stepping back and letting the children run the show. As the layout grew I always kept in mind what the kids would like to play with. I purchased a cattle loading platform first, and then a year or two later, the car unloader. Next came the rocket launcher, the biggest hit of all. Then I added several side-dumping 716 hoppers, filled with mini-M&Ms. I devised a chute that caught the M&Ms in a dish at the front of the layout. f) EXPANDED OUT THEN UP The first few years were spent in flatland. I expanded the layout to 5x12, all on one level. It was a typical Christmas yard. As I kept expanding my collection, I worked to have as many trains running at one time as possible. So when I ran out of space horizontally, I figured I could get more action out of expanding vertically. One level one year, then two, then three, until finally four different levels, in three separate locations, with Santa's mountain and a circling sleigh. g) NINE LOOPS At present, there are nine separate loops, and usually 8 to 10 separate trains operating. There are four sets of switches, and one single siding switch. There is approximately 150-feet of original American Flyer track, all of which is on original rubber roadbed or trestles. Ten original American Flyer transformers ranging from the large 30B down to the modest 1 _A now power the entire layout. Also included are a 15B and several 8B transformers. h) SCENERY At the layout's inception, I would use cheesecloth strips dipped in Plaster of Paris to form the mountains. My technique later evolved into carving blue foam and "Great Stuff". The buildings have always been an eclectic mix of Plasticville, metal, wood, ceramic, and ceramic structures. Ground cover has always been "Life-like" earth and grass, which is laid down fresh annually a spoonful at a time. The scenery is finished off with an equally diverse collection of "Life-like" trees, bottle brush pines, and many trees hand crafted by interesting vegetation from around my house. i) MOSTLY AF ROLLING STOCK The engines range widely, but include the following; a 21185, several 290s, a 322 S.I.T, a 342 S.I.T, a Franklin, a Silver Bullet, 302s and other miscellaneous engines. The girls' favorite, a custom silk-screened engine called the "Anderman Express" was delivered one year by Santa himself. Later additions included the barrel loader, a log-loader, and the loading platform with boxes and milk cans. The train configurations are constantly changing, and consist of about 100 different freight cars and 15 different passenger cars.Everything on the layout is original, pre-Lionel American Flyer, both link and knuckle couplers. The only exception to this is two SW9 diesel switcher engines and approximately 20 S-helper billboard reefers, usually running as two separate trains. j) ACCESSORIES Over the years many beacons and other accessories added animation and a spot of color to the layout. Some of the other highlights are the animated pond with oversize ducks and swimmers, the real water waterfalls, animated merry-go-round and Ferris wheel, moving kite attached to a girl, and circling airplane. These items are powered with a variety of motors including hobby motors and discarded microwave turntable motors. k) SUMMARY Through the years my wife Doris has been an active and enthusiastic participant in my train collection and Christmas platform adventure. This year, marked the end of an era. With our girls grown, the caroling parties have ended after 16 years, and our new focus is continuing to entertain neighbors and friends of all ages. The above layout history was WRITTEN BY Mark, the Layout Builder, June 2005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ======== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47642	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S???

Joe, Just my opinion, but part of the reason that the Bachmann folks shrugged their shoulders is that they don't want to admit that the majority of On30 line is mis-labeled - it really is Sn42! GBG!! Back in my hole to put on my fire suit! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haenn To: S Trains Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas and S??? Contrast this with the Bachmann booth where they had a huge banner that read: "All Gauges, N to G". When I challenged them about this and encouraged them to convert some of their On30 to S gauge, they just shrugged their shoulders. Joe Recent Activity a.. 7New Members b.. 1New Polls c.. 2New Files Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. Y! Groups blog The place to go to stay informed on Groups news! . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47643	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Variability in S

My friend'S', Have any of you folks converted any of the rolling stock that came with the ERTL Farm set. I know several have worked with the GP-35 loco. If anyone has done any of the rolling stock, I'd like to see pix. How about any of the ERTL structures? Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47644	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout

Great Layout - and thanks for sharing. Talk about sharing, would someone explain how to put your train video on You tube? I would love to do it. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville Ingram-Jim-sListservers <shoot-all-spammers4@...> wrote: 1.VIDEO: : http://youtube.com/watch?v=2XpBEt-5gjg Note you need a broadband connection to play this 9 minute YouTube video, but no special software, except a reasonably up-to-date browser. 2===PHOTOS: : Photos of this same layout are on the Susquehanna S Gaugers (aka SSG) website here: * http://trainweb.org/pa/jer01/ -- photos. * http://trainweb.org/pa/jer01/about.html -- text for 2005 S Gaugian Article. * http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com -- Susquehanna S Gaugers main website. 3===ABOUT THE LAYOUT: : This YouTube video shows the S gauge tinplate "Christmas Fantasy Layout", located near Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania. In my ever-so-humble opinion, this is a layout that would have fit right in, with the Gilbert Hall of Science in NYC back when it existed. I.e. a display-type layout with loads of action and superb visual appeal. It's a 5x12 platform, with a 4-foot extension to complete an L-shaped configuration, and has 9 loops of track. 4===ABOUT THE BUILDER, MARK: : The layout builder, Mark, has an amazing talent for cramming an amazing amount of track, buildings, scenery, and action into a limited space. If some of us tried this, it would look like an overcrowded hodgepodge. But Mark has a rare talent, that the finished product all blends together in a visual delight -- exhibiting a level of artistic skill that some of us can only dream about. Said another way, if you have seen Bill Fraley's highly detailed s- Scale layout in Hershey Pennsylvania, one of the many things you might admire, is Bill's ability to cram a lot of scenery and buildings into a limited space . . . and have it all look great. Now, if you can try a imagine a "tinplate version of Bill Fraley" -- that might be Mark ! 5===S GAUGIAN MAGAZINE : This layout was shown in S Gaugian magazine, back in the Nov/Dec 2005 issue, pages 20 & 21. The approximate text used for the article is on the SSG website, and is also copied below. ======================= TEXT FOR S GAUGIAN ARTICLE (written by Mark the builder) ======================= a) HOW IT STARTED It all started (again) in 1985, when after Christmas dinner with friends, I said "Hey, we should get out my old trains from when I was a kid." So we set up my American Flyer set, with my 21185 Engine and several freight cars in a standard oval of 12 curves and four straights on the kitchen floor. My small children and the two women looked over our shoulders as they cleaned up the turkey dinner. Over twenty years later I am still faithfully laying out a Christmas display that now consumes my living room. b) CONTINUING THE TRADITION The second year began with a 4x8 sheet of plywood, which eventually grew to the present day 5x12 platform, with a 4-foot extension to complete an L-shaped configuration. My goal has always been to create a Christmas yard, which was a tradition in my family when I was growing up. My grandmother and my brother were usually in charge. That tradition started with my father's No. 1 gauge Lionel set, but transformed into an American Flyer set in the early '60s. c) FOCUSED ON FUN FOR THE KIDS My Christmas layout has been focused on fun for kids and the toy aspect of American Flyer trains. When my oldest daughter Cara was seven, we started having her schoolmates come over for a caroling party and a train run afterward. This established the goal for when the platform needed to be completed. Thanksgiving weekend signaled the beginning of the mad rush to create a new Christmas fantasy. d) THE WHOLE FAMILY PARTICIPATED IN CONSTRUCTION As I worked on wiring new accessories or section of track and tried to work the bugs out of the 40-year old engines, my family began the daunting task of resetting the village scenes. This process began with decorating the Christmas tree, which always stood towering over the layout. Cara and Devin's favorite part of each year's build was laying out the farm scene. Devin had an eye for detail, such as breaking spaghetti into "corn" for the Plasticville corncrib, and cutting down a drink umbrella to shade a couple relaxing on the beach. Cara talked about the personal lives of the people as she placed them around the platform. e) ACCESSORIES SELECTED WITH THE KIDS IN MIND I enjoyed stepping back and letting the children run the show. As the layout grew I always kept in mind what the kids would like to play with. I purchased a cattle loading platform first, and then a year or two later, the car unloader. Next came the rocket launcher, the biggest hit of all. Then I added several side-dumping 716 hoppers, filled with mini-M&Ms. I devised a chute that caught the M&Ms in a dish at the front of the layout. f) EXPANDED OUT THEN UP The first few years were spent in flatland. I expanded the layout to 5x12, all on one level. It was a typical Christmas yard. As I kept expanding my collection, I worked to have as many trains running at one time as possible. So when I ran out of space horizontally, I figured I could get more action out of expanding vertically. One level one year, then two, then three, until finally four different levels, in three separate locations, with Santa's mountain and a circling sleigh. g) NINE LOOPS At present, there are nine separate loops, and usually 8 to 10 separate trains operating. There are four sets of switches, and one single siding switch. There is approximately 150-feet of original American Flyer track, all of which is on original rubber roadbed or trestles. Ten original American Flyer transformers ranging from the large 30B down to the modest 1 _A now power the entire layout. Also included are a 15B and several 8B transformers. h) SCENERY At the layout's inception, I would use cheesecloth strips dipped in Plaster of Paris to form the mountains. My technique later evolved into carving blue foam and "Great Stuff". The buildings have always been an eclectic mix of Plasticville, metal, wood, ceramic, and ceramic structures. Ground cover has always been "Life-like" earth and grass, which is laid down fresh annually a spoonful at a time. The scenery is finished off with an equally diverse collection of "Life-like" trees, bottle brush pines, and many trees hand crafted by interesting vegetation from around my house. i) MOSTLY AF ROLLING STOCK The engines range widely, but include the following; a 21185, several 290s, a 322 S.I.T, a 342 S.I.T, a Franklin, a Silver Bullet, 302s and other miscellaneous engines. The girls' favorite, a custom silk-screened engine called the "Anderman Express" was delivered one year by Santa himself. Later additions included the barrel loader, a log-loader, and the loading platform with boxes and milk cans. The train configurations are constantly changing, and consist of about 100 different freight cars and 15 different passenger cars.Everything on the layout is original, pre-Lionel American Flyer, both link and knuckle couplers. The only exception to this is two SW9 diesel switcher engines and approximately 20 S-helper billboard reefers, usually running as two separate trains. j) ACCESSORIES Over the years many beacons and other accessories added animation and a spot of color to the layout. Some of the other highlights are the animated pond with oversize ducks and swimmers, the real water waterfalls, animated merry-go-round and Ferris wheel, moving kite attached to a girl, and circling airplane. These items are powered with a variety of motors including hobby motors and discarded microwave turntable motors. k) SUMMARY Through the years my wife Doris has been an active and enthusiastic participant in my train collection and Christmas platform adventure. This year, marked the end of an era. With our girls grown, the caroling parties have ended after 16 years, and our new focus is continuing to entertain neighbors and friends of all ages. The above layout history was WRITTEN BY Mark, the Layout Builder, June 2005 ---------------------------------------------------------- --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ---------------------------------------------------------- --- : ==========end of email ======== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47645	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Poll Results

Further comment on the poll - and the Shelper Consolidation, I have many many units, and by far the Western Maryland Consolidation is my favorite, the detail is fantastic and the effort put out by Don and the Showcaseline should be commended. Thanks Don! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: Roy - The SHS 2-8-0 with DCC is super 100%, a number of the guys I talked with do not like as I don't the LOCOMATIC unit with the sound and control that it has, you are talking night and day Locomatic vs DCC! Jerry Matsick roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Whoa, the highest pleased rate is the Lionel 4-6-2 Pacific, @100%, according to the list. I am curious to know, of the 4% displeased with the SHS 2-8-0, what were your complaints? Roy Inman From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:58:30 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Steam Locomotive Poll Results Hi All, The results of the unscientific steam locomotive poll are in. The poll question was: "I own one or more of the following steam locomotives. I rate my experience as:" The choices were: pleased, neutral or displeased. There were answers given representing 206 different steam locomotives. The results are: Lionel Docksider: 58% pleased, 25% neutral and 17% displeased. Lionel 2-8-2 Mikado: 83% pleased, 17% neutral and 0% displeased. Lionel 4-6-2 Pacific: 100% pleased, 0% neutral and 0% displeased. Lionel 4-8-4 Northern: 55% pleased, 35% neutral and 10% displeased. All Lionel: 70% pleased, 22% neutral and 8% displeased. American Models 4-6-2 Pacific: 70% pleased, 18% neutral and 12% displeased. American Models 4-8-4 Northern: 84% pleased, 3% neutral and 13% displeased. American Models J3a Hudson: 92% pleased, 0% neutral and 8% displeased. All American Models: 79% pleased, 9% neutral and 12% displeased. S-Helper 2-8-0: 88% pleased, 8% neutral and 4% displeased. All: 76% pleased, 15% neutral and 9% displeased. You can have fun working up your own statistics and start flaming away at each other now – lol! My only comment is that I was completely surprised that the overall "pleased" rate is only 76% and the highest "pleased" rate is S-Helper at only 88%. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47646	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S???

No, I think you mean On42, Jeff________________________________ > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: dmunseyjr@... > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:45:47 -0600 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Atlas and S??? > > > Joe, > > Just my opinion, but part of the reason that the Bachmann folks shrugged their shoulders is that they don't want to admit that the majority of On30 line is mis-labeled - it really is Sn42! GBG!! Back in my hole to put on my fire suit! > > Keep in touch! > > Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... > Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator > River Logging fan > Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan > Virginian Rwy fan > Bonsai grasshopper > Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joseph Haenn > To: S Trains > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:00 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas and S??? > > Contrast this with the Bachmann booth where they had a huge banner that read: "All Gauges, N to G". When I challenged them about this and encouraged them to convert some of their On30 to S gauge, they just shrugged their shoulders. > > Joe > > Recent Activity > a.. 7New Members > b.. 1New Polls > c.. 2New Files > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > > Guides, news, > > advice & more. > > Biz Resources > Y! Small Business > > Articles, tools, > > forms, and more. > > Y! Groups blog > The place to go > > to stay informed > > on Groups news! > . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47647	From: michael prell	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout

Great Video! Who ever shot this had a really steady hand. Looked like he/she was either being pushed or pulled on a dolly of some kind. Maybe a chair. Tough to hand hold a camera that steadily when one's as close to the subject as this! Very nicely done! Wow! Ingram-Jim-sListservers <shoot-all-spammers4@...> wrote: 1.VIDEO: : http://youtube.com/watch?v=2XpBEt-5gjg Note you need a broadband connection to play this 9 minute YouTube video, but no special software, except a reasonably up-to-date browser. 2===PHOTOS: : Photos of this same layout are on the Susquehanna S Gaugers (aka SSG) website here: * http://trainweb.org/pa/jer01/ -- photos. * http://trainweb.org/pa/jer01/about.html -- text for 2005 S Gaugian Article. * http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com -- Susquehanna S Gaugers main website. 3===ABOUT THE LAYOUT: : This YouTube video shows the S gauge tinplate "Christmas Fantasy Layout", located near Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania. In my ever-so-humble opinion, this is a layout that would have fit right in, with the Gilbert Hall of Science in NYC back when it existed. I.e. a display-type layout with loads of action and superb visual appeal. It's a 5x12 platform, with a 4-foot extension to complete an L-shaped configuration, and has 9 loops of track. 4===ABOUT THE BUILDER, MARK: : The layout builder, Mark, has an amazing talent for cramming an amazing amount of track, buildings, scenery, and action into a limited space. If some of us tried this, it would look like an overcrowded hodgepodge. But Mark has a rare talent, that the finished product all blends together in a visual delight -- exhibiting a level of artistic skill that some of us can only dream about. Said another way, if you have seen Bill Fraley's highly detailed s- Scale layout in Hershey Pennsylvania, one of the many things you might admire, is Bill's ability to cram a lot of scenery and buildings into a limited space . . . and have it all look great. Now, if you can try a imagine a "tinplate version of Bill Fraley" -- that might be Mark ! 5===S GAUGIAN MAGAZINE : This layout was shown in S Gaugian magazine, back in the Nov/Dec 2005 issue, pages 20 & 21. The approximate text used for the article is on the SSG website, and is also copied below. ======================= TEXT FOR S GAUGIAN ARTICLE (written by Mark the builder) ======================= a) HOW IT STARTED It all started (again) in 1985, when after Christmas dinner with friends, I said "Hey, we should get out my old trains from when I was a kid." So we set up my American Flyer set, with my 21185 Engine and several freight cars in a standard oval of 12 curves and four straights on the kitchen floor. My small children and the two women looked over our shoulders as they cleaned up the turkey dinner. Over twenty years later I am still faithfully laying out a Christmas display that now consumes my living room. b) CONTINUING THE TRADITION The second year began with a 4x8 sheet of plywood, which eventually grew to the present day 5x12 platform, with a 4-foot extension to complete an L-shaped configuration. My goal has always been to create a Christmas yard, which was a tradition in my family when I was growing up. My grandmother and my brother were usually in charge. That tradition started with my father's No. 1 gauge Lionel set, but transformed into an American Flyer set in the early '60s. c) FOCUSED ON FUN FOR THE KIDS My Christmas layout has been focused on fun for kids and the toy aspect of American Flyer trains. When my oldest daughter Cara was seven, we started having her schoolmates come over for a caroling party and a train run afterward. This established the goal for when the platform needed to be completed. Thanksgiving weekend signaled the beginning of the mad rush to create a new Christmas fantasy. d) THE WHOLE FAMILY PARTICIPATED IN CONSTRUCTION As I worked on wiring new accessories or section of track and tried to work the bugs out of the 40-year old engines, my family began the daunting task of resetting the village scenes. This process began with decorating the Christmas tree, which always stood towering over the layout. Cara and Devin's favorite part of each year's build was laying out the farm scene. Devin had an eye for detail, such as breaking spaghetti into "corn" for the Plasticville corncrib, and cutting down a drink umbrella to shade a couple relaxing on the beach. Cara talked about the personal lives of the people as she placed them around the platform. e) ACCESSORIES SELECTED WITH THE KIDS IN MIND I enjoyed stepping back and letting the children run the show. As the layout grew I always kept in mind what the kids would like to play with. I purchased a cattle loading platform first, and then a year or two later, the car unloader. Next came the rocket launcher, the biggest hit of all. Then I added several side-dumping 716 hoppers, filled with mini-M&Ms. I devised a chute that caught the M&Ms in a dish at the front of the layout. f) EXPANDED OUT THEN UP The first few years were spent in flatland. I expanded the layout to 5x12, all on one level. It was a typical Christmas yard. As I kept expanding my collection, I worked to have as many trains running at one time as possible. So when I ran out of space horizontally, I figured I could get more action out of expanding vertically. One level one year, then two, then three, until finally four different levels, in three separate locations, with Santa's mountain and a circling sleigh. g) NINE LOOPS At present, there are nine separate loops, and usually 8 to 10 separate trains operating. There are four sets of switches, and one single siding switch. There is approximately 150-feet of original American Flyer track, all of which is on original rubber roadbed or trestles. Ten original American Flyer transformers ranging from the large 30B down to the modest 1 _A now power the entire layout. Also included are a 15B and several 8B transformers. h) SCENERY At the layout's inception, I would use cheesecloth strips dipped in Plaster of Paris to form the mountains. My technique later evolved into carving blue foam and "Great Stuff". The buildings have always been an eclectic mix of Plasticville, metal, wood, ceramic, and ceramic structures. Ground cover has always been "Life-like" earth and grass, which is laid down fresh annually a spoonful at a time. The scenery is finished off with an equally diverse collection of "Life-like" trees, bottle brush pines, and many trees hand crafted by interesting vegetation from around my house. i) MOSTLY AF ROLLING STOCK The engines range widely, but include the following; a 21185, several 290s, a 322 S.I.T, a 342 S.I.T, a Franklin, a Silver Bullet, 302s and other miscellaneous engines. The girls' favorite, a custom silk-screened engine called the "Anderman Express" was delivered one year by Santa himself. Later additions included the barrel loader, a log-loader, and the loading platform with boxes and milk cans. The train configurations are constantly changing, and consist of about 100 different freight cars and 15 different passenger cars.Everything on the layout is original, pre-Lionel American Flyer, both link and knuckle couplers. The only exception to this is two SW9 diesel switcher engines and approximately 20 S-helper billboard reefers, usually running as two separate trains. j) ACCESSORIES Over the years many beacons and other accessories added animation and a spot of color to the layout. Some of the other highlights are the animated pond with oversize ducks and swimmers, the real water waterfalls, animated merry-go-round and Ferris wheel, moving kite attached to a girl, and circling airplane. These items are powered with a variety of motors including hobby motors and discarded microwave turntable motors. k) SUMMARY Through the years my wife Doris has been an active and enthusiastic participant in my train collection and Christmas platform adventure. This year, marked the end of an era. With our girls grown, the caroling parties have ended after 16 years, and our new focus is continuing to entertain neighbors and friends of all ages. The above layout history was WRITTEN BY Mark, the Layout Builder, June 2005 ---------------------------------------------------------- --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ---------------------------------------------------------- --- : ==========end of email ======== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47648	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout

Jerry; I could swear I went over this once before with you, but perhaps I was dreaming. Anyway, easiest way is to just go to the horses... mouth. Follow this link, it covers it all, with a few different options: http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/topic.py?topic=10521 cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > > Great Layout - and thanks for sharing. Talk about sharing, would someone explain how > to put your train video on You tube? I would love to do it. > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > Ingram-Jim-sListservers <shoot-all-spammers4@...> wrote: > 1.VIDEO: > : > http://youtube.com/watch?v=2XpBEt-5gjg > > Note you need a broadband connection to play this 9 minute YouTube > video, but no special software, except a reasonably up-to-date browser. > > 2===PHOTOS: > : > Photos of this same layout are on the Susquehanna S Gaugers (aka SSG) > website here: > * http://trainweb.org/pa/jer01/ -- photos. > * http://trainweb.org/pa/jer01/about.html -- text for 2005 S Gaugian > Article. > * http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com -- Susquehanna S Gaugers main website. > > 3===ABOUT THE LAYOUT: > : > This YouTube video shows the S gauge tinplate "Christmas Fantasy > Layout", located near Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania. > In my ever-so-humble opinion, this is a layout that would have fit > right in, with the Gilbert Hall of Science in NYC back when it > existed. I.e. a display-type layout with loads of action and superb > visual appeal. > > It's a 5x12 platform, with a 4-foot extension to complete an L- shaped > configuration, and has 9 loops of track. > > 4===ABOUT THE BUILDER, MARK: > : > The layout builder, Mark, has an amazing talent for cramming an > amazing amount of track, buildings, scenery, and action into a > limited space. If some of us tried this, it would look like an > overcrowded hodgepodge. But Mark has a rare talent, that the > finished product all blends together in a visual delight -- > exhibiting a level of artistic skill that some of us can only dream > about. > > Said another way, if you have seen Bill Fraley's highly detailed s- > Scale layout in Hershey Pennsylvania, one of the many things you > might admire, is Bill's ability to cram a lot of scenery and > buildings into a limited space . . . and have it all look great. > Now, if you can try a imagine a "tinplate version of Bill Fraley" -- > that might be Mark ! > > 5===S GAUGIAN MAGAZINE > : > This layout was shown in S Gaugian magazine, back in the Nov/Dec 2005 > issue, pages 20 & 21. > The approximate text used for the article is on the SSG website, and > is also copied below. > > ======================= > TEXT FOR S GAUGIAN ARTICLE (written by Mark the builder) > ======================= > > a) HOW IT STARTED > > It all started (again) in 1985, when after Christmas dinner with > friends, I said "Hey, we should get out my old trains from when I was > a kid." So we set up my American Flyer set, with my 21185 Engine and > several freight cars in a standard oval of 12 curves and four > straights on the kitchen floor. My small children and the two women > looked over our shoulders as they cleaned up the turkey dinner. Over > twenty years later I am still faithfully laying out a Christmas > display that now consumes my living room. > > b) CONTINUING THE TRADITION > > The second year began with a 4x8 sheet of plywood, which > eventually grew to the present day 5x12 platform, with a 4-foot > extension to complete an L-shaped configuration. My goal has always > been to create a Christmas yard, which was a tradition in my family > when I was growing up. My grandmother and my brother were usually in > charge. That tradition started with my father's No. 1 gauge Lionel > set, but transformed into an American Flyer set in the early '60s. > > c) FOCUSED ON FUN FOR THE KIDS > > My Christmas layout has been focused on fun for kids and the toy > aspect of American Flyer trains. When my oldest daughter Cara was > seven, we started having her schoolmates come over for a caroling > party and a train run afterward. This established the goal for when > the platform needed to be completed. Thanksgiving weekend signaled > the beginning of the mad rush to create a new Christmas fantasy. > > d) THE WHOLE FAMILY PARTICIPATED IN CONSTRUCTION > > As I worked on wiring new accessories or section of track and > tried to work the bugs out of the 40-year old engines, my family > began the daunting task of resetting the village scenes. This process > began with decorating the Christmas tree, which always stood towering > over the layout. Cara and Devin's favorite part of each year's build > was laying out the farm scene. Devin had an eye for detail, such as > breaking spaghetti into "corn" for the Plasticville corncrib, and > cutting down a drink umbrella to shade a couple relaxing on the > beach. Cara talked about the personal lives of the people as she > placed them around the platform. > > e) ACCESSORIES SELECTED WITH THE KIDS IN MIND > > I enjoyed stepping back and letting the children run the show. > As the layout grew I always kept in mind what the kids would like to > play with. I purchased a cattle loading platform first, and then a > year or two later, the car unloader. Next came the rocket launcher, > the biggest hit of all. Then I added several side-dumping 716 > hoppers, filled with mini-M&Ms. I devised a chute that caught the > M&Ms in a dish at the front of the layout. > > f) EXPANDED OUT THEN UP > > The first few years were spent in flatland. I expanded the > layout to 5x12, all on one level. It was a typical Christmas yard. As > I kept expanding my collection, I worked to have as many trains > running at one time as possible. So when I ran out of space > horizontally, I figured I could get more action out of expanding > vertically. One level one year, then two, then three, until finally > four different levels, in three separate locations, with Santa's > mountain and a circling sleigh. > > g) NINE LOOPS > > At present, there are nine separate loops, and usually 8 to 10 > separate trains operating. There are four sets of switches, and one > single siding switch. There is approximately 150-feet of original > American Flyer track, all of which is on original rubber roadbed or > trestles. > > Ten original American Flyer transformers ranging from the large > 30B down to the modest 1 _A now power the entire layout. Also > included are a 15B and several 8B transformers. > > h) SCENERY > > At the layout's inception, I would use cheesecloth strips dipped > in Plaster of Paris to form the mountains. My technique later evolved > into carving blue foam and "Great Stuff". The buildings have always > been an eclectic mix of Plasticville, metal, wood, ceramic, and > ceramic structures. Ground cover has always been "Life-like" earth > and grass, which is laid down fresh annually a spoonful at a time. > > The scenery is finished off with an equally diverse collection > of "Life-like" trees, bottle brush pines, and many trees hand crafted > by interesting vegetation from around my house. > > i) MOSTLY AF ROLLING STOCK > > The engines range widely, but include the following; a 21185, > several 290s, a 322 S.I.T, a 342 S.I.T, a Franklin, a Silver Bullet, > 302s and other miscellaneous engines. The girls' favorite, a custom > silk-screened engine called the "Anderman Express" was delivered one > year by Santa himself. Later additions included the barrel loader, a > log-loader, and the loading platform with boxes and milk cans. > > The train configurations are constantly changing, and consist of > about 100 different freight cars and 15 different passenger > cars.Everything on the layout is original, pre-Lionel American Flyer, > both link and knuckle couplers. The only exception to this is two SW9 > diesel switcher engines and approximately 20 S-helper billboard > reefers, usually running as two separate trains. > > j) ACCESSORIES > > Over the years many beacons and other accessories added > animation and a spot of color to the layout. Some of the other > highlights are the animated pond with oversize ducks and swimmers, > the real water waterfalls, animated merry-go-round and Ferris wheel, > moving kite attached to a girl, and circling airplane. These items > are powered with a variety of motors including hobby motors and > discarded microwave turntable motors. > > k) SUMMARY > > Through the years my wife Doris has been an active and > enthusiastic participant in my train collection and Christmas > platform adventure. This year, marked the end of an era. With our > girls grown, the caroling parties have ended after 16 years, and our > new focus is continuing to entertain neighbors and friends of all ages. > > The above layout history was WRITTEN BY Mark, the Layout Builder, > June 2005 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 > Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > --- > : > ==========end of email ======== > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville, Florida > TCA 04-57715 > NMRA > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47649	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S??? -- and scales & gauges

----- Original Message ----- Bachmann . . . . . . don't want to admit that the majority of On30 line is mis-labeled - it really is Sn42! > Don Munsey, Jr + + + + + + + + + + + From: Jeffrey Madden No, I think you mean On42, Jeff________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > ------------Response---------- If it's Sn42 it's S scale on HO gauge trucks, will run on HO track right out of the box. If it's On42 it's quarter-inch (1/48) scale on S gauge trucks, will run on S gauge track right out of the box. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47650	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout

Jim Ingram of the Susquehanna S gauger shot this. His steady hand is called a "tripod". The dolly is called the "zoom" button. He did do a great job. Nice editing too.... Mark Anderman -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: michael prell <mlprell@...> > Great Video! Who ever shot this had a really steady hand. Looked like he/she was > either being pushed or pulled on a dolly of some kind. Maybe a chair. Tough to > hand hold a camera that steadily when one's as close to the subject as this! > Very nicely done! Wow! > > Ingram-Jim-sListservers <shoot-all-spammers4@...> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47651	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Poll

Based on all the Lionel bashing that goes on here at times, it sure doesn't appear to me those sentiments showed up in Rick's poll.We all figured the Docksider to be a little bit of a dog even before it came out, and the choo-choo sound with the built-in whistle on the Northern probably was the cause of some displeasure. Apparently somebody is still buying American Flyer by Lionel, tho.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47652	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Poll

The one Flyonel loco I have is the Southern Mikado. It is an extremely nice loco and nicely decorated. I assume the Pacific is of similar quality. And the new heavyweight passenger cars are extremely nicely done other than for the dining car being designed incorrectly. But look at the pieces that are overpriced junk compared to alternatives: streamlined passenger cars, GPs, switchers, box cars. Mind you I would still be operating PAs today if the better alternatives had not come along, but fortunately they did. Main point is that a polling of the Flyonel steam locos is hardly an objective evaluation of the Flyonel product line. - Earl Henry, Nashville Vanderbilt 72, Tennessee 69 ===================== In a message dated 2/27/2008 5:23:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, chicocannon1@... writes: Based on all the Lionel bashing that goes on here at times, it sure doesn't appear to me those sentiments showed up in Rick's poll.We all figured the Docksider to be a little bit of a dog even before it came out, and the choo-choo sound with the built-in whistle on the Northern probably was the cause of some displeasure. Apparently somebody is still buying American Flyer by Lionel, tho. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47653	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

I was beginning to think I had the only 314AW still chugging. This bit of chat has relieved me of that concern. I'm of the impression that the 314AW was only made in 1949 and 1950. Can anyone confirm this is the case? Anyone know how many were made? I can't help but wonder how many still exist. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > Either way, I'm glad that I hung on to mine! Just another part of what makes this hobby so darned fascinating! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47654	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Poll

> Main point is that a polling of the Flyonel steam locos is hardly > an objective evaluation of the Flyonel product line. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > ===================== That's right. But there is no point like that to be made. The poll wasn't meant to be an objective evaluation of the Flyonel product line, was it? It was only about STEAM. Your just took the opportunity to turn it into something bigger and diss Lionel at the same time. Just what I was talking about. The poll -- it is what it is. Let's discuss what's there, not what's not there.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47655	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

To the group, I am not the proud owner of a 314AW but I do have one on my bench I am repairing for a friend. It has been interesting. I need someone to tell me what the wiring configuration is on the harness from e-unit to engine plug-in jack. All the wires were loose from the jack and the other ends were not like what is shown in Greenburg's Flyer Manual wiring diagram. If anyone can shed some light I would appreciate the help. He does not have the whistle control, but when I apply power to the relay, it does work. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: louavul@...: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:07:01 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender I was beginning to think I had the only 314AW still chugging. This bit of chat has relieved me of that concern.I'm of the impression that the 314AW was only made in 1949 and 1950. Can anyone confirm this is the case? Anyone know how many were made?I can't help but wonder how many still exist.Steve--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote:>> Either way, I'm glad that I hung on to mine! Just another part of what makes this hobby so darned fascinating!>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47656	From: Phil K	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "teeb_1" <louavul@...> wrote: > I was beginning to think I had the only 314AW still chugging. > I'm of the impression that the 314AW was only made in 1949 and 1950. > Can anyone confirm this is the case? Anyone know how many were made? ==================================================================== Yes. 1949 and 1950, basically two different versions -- differences in the trailing truck style. They are not rare, neither are they common. One had a one-piece drawbar with a single axle with two wheels attached to the drawbar. The other version came with a more authentic-looking trailing truck, like on the Hudsons. From my observations the version with the prototype trailing truck is not rare, but harder to find than the other. The hardest thing to find is the whistle control unit. No records as to how many were made. Those were lost years ago. But I know where five of them live. <grin> Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47657	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Sticking AF 4 Position Reverse "E" Unit - Unorthodox "Fix"

I consolidated my previous message on this issue and posted it in Files as "Sticking 4 Position AF Reverse E Unit.PDF". For what it's worth. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47658	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

Mine was wired just like the 4 wire diagram at http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic10.htm ... one wire from the front truck, two wires from the lower two fingers on the reverse unit, and the 4th wire from the outer terminal on the upper fingers of the reverse unit (see diagram for which goes where on the harness jack). Hopefully you'll find what you have to be an electrical equivalent, e.g., the harness wire shown coming from the front truck could actually come from the reverse unit coil where another wire then connects to the front truck. If it gets too confusing, you could probably just rewire it per the diagram. The only difference with the 314AW is the additional wiring for the whistle as I've posted in the Files section in the "314AW Whistle in Tender" Folder. The whistle wiring isn't involved in the wires that go to the engine. Of course, the whistle wiring does have the connections to the tender trucks in common with the reverse unit wiring. And again, the physical wiring could vary if various folks have made repairs ... the key is that they be electrically equivalent. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > To the group, I am not the proud owner of a 314AW but I do have one on my bench I am repairing for a friend. It has been interesting. I need someone to tell me what the wiring configuration is on the harness from e-unit to engine plug-in jack. All the wires were loose from the jack and the other ends were not like what is shown in Greenburg's Flyer Manual wiring diagram. If anyone can shed some light I would appreciate the help. He does not have the whistle control, but when I apply power to the relay, it does work. Thanks, Larry > > > To: S-Trains@...: louavul@...: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:07:01 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender > > > > > I was beginning to think I had the only 314AW still chugging. This bit of chat has relieved me of that concern.I'm of the impression that the 314AW was only made in 1949 and 1950. Can anyone confirm this is the case? Anyone know how many were made?I can't help but wonder how many still exist.Steve--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@> wrote:>> Either way, I'm glad that I hung on to mine! Just another part of what makes this hobby so darned fascinating!> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47659	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Poll

Dear sir, (you did not provide your name) I think you are right. And I want to apologize. I am very opinionated and sometimes it gets me in trouble. One opinion (just an opinion, not a fact) I have is that this group is too pro-Lionel, maybe because I am an operator and not a collector, but I should recognize that this list supports both groups and I should be more respectful of both. Furthermore in looking at the previous posts on this poll, it was not pro or anti-Lionel. Forgive me, I am at fault. - Earl Henry, Nashville ================= In a message dated 2/27/2008 6:41:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, chicocannon1@... writes: Main point is that a polling of the Flyonel steam locos is hardly > an objective evaluation of the Flyonel product line. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > ============ ========= That's right. But there is no point like that to be made. The poll wasn't meant to be an objective evaluation of the Flyonel product line, was it? It was only about STEAM. Your just took the opportunity to turn it into something bigger and diss Lionel at the same time. Just what I was talking about. The poll -- it is what it is. Let's discuss what's there, not what's not there. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47660	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S???

Good luck on Atlas going into S. Please remember that they have a good relationship with S Helper. Notice how they came out with wood-sided billboard reefers in O, right after S Helper's? The only thing is the SF caboose mentioned, and the PRR Atlantic isn't TOO far off S gauge, although it has its shortcomings. _____________________________________________________________ Click to recieve credit card help and get out of debt fast. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifRlM3Rl0JeLC43QyF1Of64hRGOP3NBZ6hNYwOHyBFgNGqUL/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47661	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Poll

I have been on this group since sometime in 1999. (had a different email originally) One thing that has never occured to me in that time is that this group was overtly positive towards Lionel. I would bet that if someone were go to the trouble to look them up the bash Lionel posts greatly outweigh the more positive ones. I would also express the opinion that most of the time the pro Lionel messages are a response to a Lionel flame. Just my opinion for what it took to get it. For the record. I like most of my SHS, Most of my AM, and most of my Lionel. One thing I have noticed is that I hated my Lionel GP's and PA's when I was using a flyer transformer, I must say that since I bought my Cab- 1 and am using a TPC-400 as my track power controller, the (as some people say) "jack rabbit starts" are really not an issue, and now I don't mind them at all. As for my AM and SHS they suffered by creeping due to the initial voltage level of the original flyer transformers. (this is adjustable with the TPC-400.) The new 2007 baldwins and the recent SD's and the PA's all have new drive systems. So if you don't have a recent one you don't really know what Lionel is selling now. They are much more controlable, but I haven't tried them with an old flyer transformer. The new SD is smoother than the old GP's the new PA is smoother than the old PA's, and the 2007 baldwin beats the socks off the 2006. My favorite diesel is my TMCC converted AM FP-7 Next is my TMCC converted EMD E-8 Right after that is my TMCC converted Alco PA I dislike my out of the box pre-2007 baldwins the most of any diesel I have. I fully intend to re-gear them in some way. Steam wise first is my TMCC converted AM Northern next my TMCC Pacific Flyonels (I have 3) Next the TMCC mikados But what I run most of the time is my TMCC converted 302 with sound card. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > Dear sir, (you did not provide your name) > > I think you are right. And I want to apologize. I am very opinionated and > sometimes it gets me in trouble. > > One opinion (just an opinion, not a fact) I have is that this group is too > pro-Lionel, maybe because I am an operator and not a collector, but I should > recognize that this list supports both groups and I should be more respectful > of both. Furthermore in looking at the previous posts on this poll, it was > not pro or anti-Lionel. Forgive me, I am at fault. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > ================= > > > > > In a message dated 2/27/2008 6:41:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, > chicocannon1@... writes: > > Main point is that a polling of the Flyonel steam locos is hardly > > an objective evaluation of the Flyonel product line. > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > ============ ========= > > That's right. But there is no point like that to be made. The poll > wasn't meant to be an objective evaluation of the Flyonel product line, > was it? It was only about STEAM. Your just took the opportunity to turn > it into something bigger and diss Lionel at the same time. Just what I was > talking about. > > The poll -- it is what it is. Let's discuss what's there, not what's > not there. > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel- campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47662	From: michael prell	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout

Maybe I missed something but the footage I saw looked like a hand held Arc-dolly. But then again, I've been away from the industry for a while and I am getting older so maybe I made a mistake. Has that ever happened to you? Manderman@... wrote: Jim Ingram of the Susquehanna S gauger shot this. His steady hand is called a "tripod". The dolly is called the "zoom" button. He did do a great job. Nice editing too.... Mark Anderman -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: michael prell <mlprell@...> > Great Video! Who ever shot this had a really steady hand. Looked like he/she was > either being pushed or pulled on a dolly of some kind. Maybe a chair. Tough to > hand hold a camera that steadily when one's as close to the subject as this! > Very nicely done! Wow! > > Ingram-Jim-sListservers <shoot-all-spammers4@...> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47663	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Poll

No problem. I think one of the reasons so many people on this board look upon Lionel favorably is because it has kept American Flyer "alive". After all, it is more tinplate or hirail compared to the other group, S- Scale. Whether you buy the new Lionel Flyer or not, you have to admit looking at each new catalog still gives you that "tingle" you had when you were a kid. It does me. There are a lot of wonderful memories tied to AF in my body. Chico --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > Dear sir, (you did not provide your name) > > I think you are right. And I want to apologize. I am very opinionated and > sometimes it gets me in trouble. > > One opinion (just an opinion, not a fact) I have is that this group is too > pro-Lionel, maybe because I am an operator and not a collector, but I should > recognize that this list supports both groups and I should be more respectful > of both. Furthermore in looking at the previous posts on this poll, it was > not pro or anti-Lionel. Forgive me, I am at fault. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > ================= > > > > > In a message dated 2/27/2008 6:41:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, > chicocannon1@... writes: > > Main point is that a polling of the Flyonel steam locos is hardly > > an objective evaluation of the Flyonel product line. > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > ============ ========= > > That's right. But there is no point like that to be made. The poll > wasn't meant to be an objective evaluation of the Flyonel product line, > was it? It was only about STEAM. Your just took the opportunity to turn > it into something bigger and diss Lionel at the same time. Just what I was > talking about. > > The poll -- it is what it is. Let's discuss what's there, not what's > not there. > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel- campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47664	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

Regarding the below statement from chicocannon1: Have most of you noticed that the only place on the recent Flyonel locos that says "American Flyer" is the Box? Methinks they are helping keep "S" gauge and their bottom line alive, not necessarily American Flyer. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/27/2008 9:47:25 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, chicocannon1@... writes: No problem. I think one of the reasons so many people on this board look upon Lionel favorably is because it has kept American Flyer "alive". After all, it is more tinplate or hirail compared to the other group, S-

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47665	From: Phil K	Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

Good point, Steve. But my guess would be that the AF name was left off because on the Mikes, Pacifics and Northerns it would not be viewed as a positive by those who count rivets and find some appeal in these for scale layouts. If guys like Earl notice diversions from the prototypes in passenger sets (which as a highrailer I wouldn't have known in 1,000,000 years), what would that market think about running a loco with "American Flyer" pad-printed prominently on the tender? Although I don't like it, I think Lionel is smart not to "so brand" any locomotive that could be considered a "crossover". The diesels, etc., that replicate Gilbert Flyer, though, should bear the name. For tradition. We could always buy a dry transfer, decal or stamp from Doug Peck and flourish them ourselves, too. My $0.02 Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Regarding the below statement from chicocannon1: > > Have most of you noticed that the only place on the recent Flyonel locos > that says "American Flyer" is the Box? Methinks they are helping keep "S" gauge > and their bottom line alive, not necessarily American Flyer. > > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > In a message dated 02/27/2008 9:47:25 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > chicocannon1@... writes: > > > > > No problem. > > I think one of the reasons so many people on this board look upon > Lionel favorably is because it has kept American Flyer "alive". After > all, it is more tinplate or hirail compared to the other group, S- >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47666	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Industrial Rail by Atlas

If you have access to a hobby shop that carries Atlas products, see if you casn pick up the free Atlas Quarterly publication. They show the Industrial Rail line of products, which are actually S scale riding on O scale trucks. We have the log cars at the shop and are expecting the ore cars soon. Notice, as we discussed before here, that the 4-4-2 Atlantic is also S scale with an O drive. The Atlantic is almost exactly the same size as our old Flyer Atlantic, it's a great casting, and has a tender I wish I could buy separately to convert to S right now. Atlas is only a steam engine drive and trucks and couplers away from being in S gauge! Stumpy Stone in a cold and snowy Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47667	From: michael prell	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: YouTube: S Ga. Penna. Xmas Fantasy Layout

Upon further observation, you were right about the first series of moves, however as Mr. Ingram's video clearly shows, movement from left to right while remaining fairly close to the layout clearly aint no zoom. Tripod maybe, but Mark, that ain't no zoom. Great video but nope. No zoom there.Sorry. Couldn't let this go. michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: Maybe I missed something but the footage I saw looked like a hand held Arc-dolly. But then again, I've been away from the industry for a while and I am getting older so maybe I made a mistake. Has that ever happened to you? Manderman@... wrote: Jim Ingram of the Susquehanna S gauger shot this. His steady hand is called a "tripod". The dolly is called the "zoom" button. He did do a great job. Nice editing too.... Mark Anderman -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: michael prell <mlprell@...> > Great Video! Who ever shot this had a really steady hand. Looked like he/she was > either being pushed or pulled on a dolly of some kind. Maybe a chair. Tough to > hand hold a camera that steadily when one's as close to the subject as this! > Very nicely done! Wow! > > Ingram-Jim-sListservers <shoot-all-spammers4@...> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47668	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

Very True and Pointed words Steve ...I agree 100%.... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Regarding the below statement from chicocannon1: > > Have most of you noticed that the only place on the recent Flyonel locos > that says "American Flyer" is the Box? Methinks they are helping keep "S" gauge > and their bottom line alive, not necessarily American Flyer. > > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > In a message dated 02/27/2008 9:47:25 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > chicocannon1@... writes: > > > > > No problem. > > I think one of the reasons so many people on this board look upon > Lionel favorably is because it has kept American Flyer "alive". After > all, it is more tinplate or hirail compared to the other group, S- >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47669	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

I'm all for the road names being prominent on the locos/tenders. I refer to the bottom of the pieces where all it says is "Lionel Corp"., etc, etc.. It could easily read; "American Flyer" by Lionel.....ta-da. Steve In a message dated 02/27/2008 10:17:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: Good point, Steve. But my guess would be that the AF name was left off because on the Mikes, Pacifics and Northerns it would not be viewed as a positive by those who count rivets and find some appeal in these for scale layouts. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47670	From: Bill Drake	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

Just a couple of legend/rumors. I seem to recall a comment from Maury Romer that Gilbert almost never made anything in the catalog in a quantity less than 1000. Also that an item showed up in the catalog two years in a row either was really popular or didn't sell all 1000 the first year. My guess is the 1000 figure for total 314AW production. Bill Drake teeb_1 wrote: > I was beginning to think I had the only 314AW still chugging. This bit > of chat has relieved me of that concern. > I'm of the impression that the 314AW was only made in 1949 and 1950. > Can anyone confirm this is the case? Anyone know how many were made? > I can't help but wonder how many still exist. > Steve > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com , michael prell <mlprell@... > wrote: >> >> Either way, I'm glad that I hung on to mine! Just another part of > what makes this hobby so darned fascinating! >> > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47671	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: ANYONE ELSE NOTICE

Has anyone else noticed the trucks Lionel has put out as 0-27 & the 1/64 th scale trucks (semi's with trailer) are the same size? Forgot to sign my last post Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47672	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

Like them or hate them, Lionel has been keeping American Flyer going. As far as repopping old Flyer and putting American Flyer Lines on the sides of the locomotives, well, okay, I can see that. (Although, I don't agree with it.) As far as putting American Flyer Lines on the new locos and cars not reproductions from Gilbert molds, no, they are not American Flyer trains. They are Lionel S gauge trains. Flyonel, as many of us like to call them, are Flyer by Lionel. This is true whether it's a reproduction or a new product. All of this modern stuff runs better than the old stuff, and the totally new products are better looking as well. I think that today's toy train, Hi-railer, or model railroader doesn't remember and love the trains many of us grew up with and would dislike an engine with American Flyer Lines heat stamped on the tender. Stumpy Stone...watching it snow...again.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47673	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Leave It To Beaver - AF episode

A couple of days ago I noticed TV Land is again running the "Leave It To Beaver" episode "My Brother's Girl". This was discussed a couple of months ago and the people who saw it then said it features American Flyer trains. Since I had missed it last time, I set the DVR to record the show. This morning I hit the 4X fast forward to check out the trains - hmmmm - no trains. I hit rewind and tried again 2X fast forward - still no trains. So rewind again and play it through at normal speed. Finally at the 16 minute mark there are the trains for maybe 10 seconds, followed by a short scene with the layout in the foreground. Definitely AF but hardly what I would consider to be "featuring AF trains". I doubt anyone other than AF fans would even realize it's AF. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47674	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender - Response Correction

Ouch! I really jumped the gun with my first response. The past week I've been working on a couple of 302s and that must've blocked my mind from the 314AW and it's wiring. But after I responded with the reference to the Port Lines' 4 wire diagram, something kept gnawing at me ... I had to go take another look at the 314. I've actually replaced the E unit in my 314 with a Dallee unit but (naturally) I still have the unit from the 314. All the finger wires have been removed but the oddity that likely triggered my discomfort is a jumper wire from the upper finger mounting tab (the frame) to the adjacent finger. Clearly there's no way the refrenced diagram will work with this strap in place. I sent a quick note to Larry so he wouldn't follow my misdirection, and set about figuring out how it "had to" have been wired. The result of that effort is now posted in the "314AW Whistle in Tender" folder of the Files section, filename 314AW E UNIT WIRING.PDF. I heard back from Larry (from his work) and he's going to check it out this evening. Hopefully I've got it right this time. Larry did recall wiring on the finger mounting tab which is a good sign. I certainly don't know why Gilbert would have wired this unit differently (and used a piece of the framework as a junction point). Perhaps things were so tight in the tender (with the whistle) that any way to save a wire or two made it seem a good idea. Steve G --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > To the group, I am not the proud owner of a 314AW but I do have one on my bench I am repairing for a friend. It has been interesting. I need someone to tell me what the wiring configuration is on the harness from e-unit to engine plug-in jack. All the wires were loose from the jack and the other ends were not like what is shown in Greenburg's Flyer Manual wiring diagram. If anyone can shed some light I would appreciate the help. He does not have the whistle control, but when I apply power to the relay, it does work. Thanks, Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47675	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Variability in S

Don, I was able to use the flat car by adding ACE parts and Kadee couplers, I've also used several of their buildings on the layout. I posted 3 pictures in an album named ERTL. Anyone else can upload pictures of ERTL stuff if they want to. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunseyjr@...> wrote: > > My friend'S', > > Have any of you folks converted any of the rolling stock that came with the ERTL Farm set. > > I know several have worked with the GP-35 loco. If anyone has done any of the rolling stock, I'd like to see pix. > > How about any of the ERTL structures? > > Keep in touch! > > Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... > Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator > River Logging fan > Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan > Virginian Rwy fan > Bonsai grasshopper > Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47676	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, chicocannon1 wrote: > > > Have most of you noticed that the only place on the recent Flyonel locos > that says "American Flyer" is the Box? Methinks they are helping keep "S" gauge > and their bottom line alive, not necessarily American Flyer. > Boy, we must have it pretty good as S gaugers and American Flyer aficianados when all we have to complain about is the fact that the words "American Flyer" are not emblazoned on the product. Many people (myself included) would prefer to have only the roadnames on equipment (i.e. no AFL). We now have near scale Mikados, Pacifics, and heavyweights from all new tooling, a just-announced hirail articulated with TMCC and railsounds for well under $1000, wide radius sectional track, and loads of re-issued classic Gilbert locomotives, cars, and accessories to choose from. Think back to the pre-1979 era, when the only source of RTR S was from flea markets and dusty boxes at yard sales. All in all, I'd say Lionel is doing a great job of carrying on the AF product line.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47677	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: ANYONE ELSE NOTICE

Yes. The Lionel semi decorated for American Flyer has been on my layout for years. The semi is near enough scale for S that it looks right at home on my road. At one time Lionel sold piggyback cars for S with the trailers, but the flat cars were grossly oversize O-27 with Flyer trucks. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: ANYONE ELSE NOTICE Has anyone else noticed the trucks Lionel has put out as 0-27 & the 1/64 th scale trucks (semi's with trailer) are the same size? Forgot to sign my last post Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living. <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/> aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47678	From: Rhett George	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

- GreetingS - A number of you have provided comments that caused me to shake the dusty cobwebs in my memory regarding the DC bias relay for whistle control. First, the 4-8-4 in 3/16" scale on 0 gauge track (pre WW II) having worm gear drive has a DC bias relay for operating the reversing unit. My guess is that neither A F nor L held the patent on the relay itself. How does the relay operate? Examine one and you will see that the solenoid winding is done with very fine wire and many turns >> this means high resistance. Furthermore, at the bottom, next to the armature (metal part that moves) there are one or two fat copper washers fitted to the same pole piece as the coil. This is one turn of fat copper wire. It shorts out alternating magnetic flux which tries to come from current in the coil. Therefore nothing more than a very weak pull from this electromagnet. Not enough to lift the armature, close the contacts, and operate the whistle. Depressing the whistle button puts the rectifier in the circuit and adds a bit of DC to the track power. After a half-second or so the fat copper washers cease to deny the flux brought by the DC voltage and flux increases, closing the contacts. In the lean days of WW II, I had an L whistle tender but no operating controller. From somewhere I got an SPDT toggle switch and a 1 1/2 V dry cell, maybe a # 6. One end of the dry cell went to the transformer. The other to one side of the switch. The other side of the switch went to the same transformer terminal. The movable part of the switch went to one side of the track circuit, the other transformer terminal went to the other side of the track. Throwing the switch so that the cell was added to the circuit increased the amplitude of the sinusoid on one side of swing and decreased it on the other side. This gave enough of a DC component to close the whistle relay. It worked fine business and did not distress the large dry cell. If I do that today, I might put several D cells in parallel and put them in a sturdy enclosure to contain the guts in case one pops. Electronic versions of this DC relay can be made polarity sensitive so that offsetting the sinusoid to one side will control a whistle, to the other side will control a bell (or whatever). If this is too confusing, let me know and I shall try to rework it in a simpler manner. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47679	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Poll Results

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47680	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Poll Results

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47681	From: teeb_1	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: 314AW with Whistle in Tender

Rhett, I appreciate your comments. Every little piece that someone can add helps make the whole picture clearer. I followed your discussion, but I'm not familiar with what device would constitute an electronic version of the DC bias relay. Do you have any specific examples of such device, or whatever circuitry would be required? Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rhett George <rtg@...> wrote: > > - GreetingS - > > A number of you have provided comments that caused me to shake the dusty > cobwebs in my memory regarding the DC bias relay for whistle control. > First, the 4-8-4 in 3/16" scale on 0 gauge track (pre WW II) having worm > gear drive has a DC bias relay for operating the reversing unit. My > guess is that neither A F nor L held the patent on the relay itself. > > How does the relay operate? Examine one and you will see that the solenoid > winding is done with very fine wire and many turns >> this means high > resistance. Furthermore, at the bottom, next to the armature (metal part > that moves) there are one or two fat copper washers fitted to the same > pole piece as the coil. This is one turn of fat copper wire. It shorts > out alternating magnetic flux which tries to come from current in the coil. > Therefore nothing more than a very weak pull from this electromagnet. > Not enough to lift the armature, close the contacts, and operate the > whistle. Depressing the whistle button puts the rectifier in the circuit > and adds a bit of DC to the track power. After a half-second or so the > fat copper washers cease to deny the flux brought by the DC voltage and > flux increases, closing the contacts. > > In the lean days of WW II, I had an L whistle tender but no operating > controller. From somewhere I got an SPDT toggle switch and a 1 1/2 V > dry cell, maybe a # 6. One end of the dry cell went to the transformer. > The other to one side of the switch. The other side of the switch went > to the same transformer terminal. The movable part of the switch went > to one side of the track circuit, the other transformer terminal went to > the other side of the track. Throwing the switch so that the cell was > added to the circuit increased the amplitude of the sinusoid on one side > of swing and decreased it on the other side. This gave enough of a DC > component to close the whistle relay. It worked fine business and did > not distress the large dry cell. If I do that today, I might put several > D cells in parallel and put them in a sturdy enclosure to contain the > guts in case one pops. > > Electronic versions of this DC relay can be made polarity sensitive so > that offsetting the sinusoid to one side will control a whistle, to the > other side will control a bell (or whatever). > > If this is too confusing, let me know and I shall try to rework it in > a simpler manner. > > CheerS, > > Rhett >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47682	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: 2008 A.C. Gilbert Heritage Society National Convention

The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers are members of the Association of Collecting clubs (ACC). In their most recent newsletter, they referenced the A.C. Gilbert Heritage Society. From their web pages, I gleaned the following information: ############################################################################################# The A.C. Gilbert Heritage Society will host its 2008 National Convention on June 20-21, 2008 in Clarksville, Indiana. The A.C. Gilbert Heritage Society is a group of collectors who focus on products produced by and information about the former A.C. Gilbert Company, including Erector sets, chemistry sets, microscopes, American Flyer trains and many others. For additional information on the convention, or to join the A.C. Gilbert Heritage Society, visit the website: www.acghs.org ############################################################################################## For any of you in the Clarksville, IN area who are able to attend this convention, could you report back to this group. Thanks, Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47683	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: 314 AW wiring diagram

Steve, Talk about going above and beyond, the call of duty, I certainly was not expecting such a detailed schematic of the wiring for this unit. It is very much appreciated. It has been 34yrs. since I got out of the Navy as an Electronics Tech, so you made it very easy for my feeble mind to make sense of this puzzle. As soon as I get the replacement wire harness from Doug Peck, I will wire this bad boy and see if I can get it to run. At 60 yrs. old, I am having a ball restoring these old "Classics" to running condition. As I said before, I will let you know if the patient survives the surgery. Thanks again, Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47684	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Fw: order

Here is the latest news on the much awaited S scale 1/4" thick roadbed that I ordered on January 2, in the year of 2008. As we last visited with Vinyl Roadbed in the great state of TN, where the state of TN has 3 colleges in the top twenty five of NCAA basketball, I was told the material should arrive this week, about a month ago. So I sent a email just to check in with Vinyl on Tuesday and now it seems the road bed material wont get to Vinyl until Mid March, as I will be too busy then, watching March Madness and bike riding again. I even ordered 2 S Helper DCC Steam Engines and the Lentz DCC power pack in anticipation of the much arrival of the roadbed. I even ordered the much needed ballast from Classic Trains this week. I probably will be attending Opening Day at the new Washington Nationals Ballpark, before the road bed gets to me!! Then I will be busy every Sunday with baseball games! So, my little town on my layout will soon be a ghost town, as there will be one left soon, as despair will settle in with no economy at all. All will be left at the Plastic Phone Booths and 8 S Scale cats. Signing out, ID 10 T Vinyl Roadbed, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:57 AM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marmer, Unfortunately the raw materials have not arrived yet. We have been promised a shipment by mid-March. Please accept our apologies for delaying your layout project. I will let you know as soon as the materials have arrived and we have begun processing orders again. Kind Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Tue, February 26, 2008 8:43 pm To: <Vinylbed@...> I am just checking to see if you receive this week the 1/4 " S scale roadbed? Thank you. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47685	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

Didn't Lionel make "Ives by Lionel" in the 30's? I think that line became "027" after WWII. jfred boss31@... wrote: I'm all for the road names being prominent on the locos/tenders. I refer to the bottom of the pieces where all it says is "Lionel Corp"., etc, etc.. It could easily read; "American Flyer" by Lionel.....ta-da. Steve In a message dated 02/27/2008 10:17:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: Good point, Steve. But my guess would be that the AF name was left off because on the Mikes, Pacifics and Northerns it would not be viewed as a positive by those who count rivets and find some appeal in these for scale layouts. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47686	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Vinyl Roadbed order

Mike that sounds like "Sour Grapes" to me! Something is wrong with these people, I remember my order took right at 6 weeks! Hate to hear of your problem. Happy S tracks to you and Linda Jerry Matsick MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Here is the latest news on the much awaited S scale 1/4" thick roadbed that I ordered on January 2, in the year of 2008. As we last visited with Vinyl Roadbed in the great state of TN, where the state of TN has 3 colleges in the top twenty five of NCAA basketball, I was told the material should arrive this week, about a month ago. So I sent a email just to check in with Vinyl on Tuesday and now it seems the road bed material wont get to Vinyl until Mid March, as I will be too busy then, watching March Madness and bike riding again. I even ordered 2 S Helper DCC Steam Engines and the Lentz DCC power pack in anticipation of the much arrival of the roadbed. I even ordered the much needed ballast from Classic Trains this week. I probably will be attending Opening Day at the new Washington Nationals Ballpark, before the road bed gets to me!! Then I will be busy every Sunday with baseball games! So, my little town on my layout will soon be a ghost town, as there will be one left soon, as despair will settle in with no economy at all. All will be left at the Plastic Phone Booths and 8 S Scale cats. Signing out, ID 10 T Vinyl Roadbed, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:57 AM Subject: RE: order Hello Mr. Marmer, Unfortunately the raw materials have not arrived yet. We have been promised a shipment by mid-March. Please accept our apologies for delaying your layout project. I will let you know as soon as the materials have arrived and we have begun processing orders again. Kind Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: order From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Tue, February 26, 2008 8:43 pm To: <Vinylbed@...> I am just checking to see if you receive this week the 1/4 " S scale roadbed? Thank you. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47687	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

To Steve, srgriggs and Edward G.-- I only bring this up because you all have responded to the below quote credited to me: > Have most of you noticed that the only place on the recent Flyonel > locos that says "American Flyer" is the Box? Methinks they are > helping keep "S" gauge and their bottom line alive, not > necessarily American Flyer. I find this strange because it does not reflect my feelings, but the opposite. I have also looked at all of my recent posts and none of them contain this quote. It's not a problem. I only call attention to it because it looks like I'm contradicting myself, from my earlier thoughts on Lionel making AF. Just wondering, tho, where did that quote come from? I can't find it anywhere on the board. Chico --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Regarding the below statement from chicocannon1: > > Have most of you noticed that the only place on the recent Flyonel locos > that says "American Flyer" is the Box? Methinks they are helping keep "S" gauge > and their bottom line alive, not necessarily American Flyer. > > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > In a message dated 02/27/2008 9:47:25 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > chicocannon1@... writes: >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47688	From: James Hannawald	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Variability in S

Don, I haven't done anything with the Ertl Train (did see 2 sets in the local hobby shop today)- however I have used several of their buildings on my demo layout- I posted some pictures in the Demo Layout Greensboro MD album. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Munsey Jr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Variability in S My friend'S', Have any of you folks converted any of the rolling stock that came with the ERTL Farm set. I know several have worked with the GP-35 loco. If anyone has done any of the rolling stock, I'd like to see pix. How about any of the ERTL structures? Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47689	From: Firewood	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas

Thanks Mr Stumpy, I didn't know dat! The trolley car is 3/16" scale too? Regards, FW

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47690	From: David	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: My #1218 engine.

Looking for 2 good or repro copper contacts for my 1218 engine 1924. Mine are tired out and have no tension any more. Has anyone made them if no repros are available? Thanks David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47691	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas

The Atlas Industrial Models Trolley car body is 3/16" scale, but the trucks are definitely 1/48" Scale, and actually look bad under this S Scale body. Jerry Matsick Firewood <fahrwud@...> wrote: Thanks Mr Stumpy, I didn't know dat! The trolley car is 3/16" scale too? Regards, FW Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47692	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Mike, its your own fault for ordering at the wrong time of the year. Our Tennessee businesses are very prompt in their shipping of orders as long as our customers order according to normal terms of Tennessee business. First, never place an order during hunting season. The order will be ignored until the season ends. Second, never place an order with an East Tennessee business during football season. The businessmen will be too busy drinking and celebrating when the University of Tennessee is winning their football games, and too busy drinking and talking about firing the coach when they are losing football games. And third, never place an order after the SEC basketball season has started, and this is the rule you violated. If you had placed it during the preseason games, you might have received your order by now. I hope I have cleared up the issues for you and that you will play by the rules of Tennessee business next time you place an order. But, Mike, rest assured that we do appreciate your business! - Earl Henry, Nashville, home of the Vanderbilt Commodores Vanderbilt 72 Tennessee 69 ============================================== In a message dated 2/28/2008 5:26:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Here is the latest news on the much awaited S scale 1/4" thick roadbed that I ordered on January 2, in the year of 2008. As we last visited with Vinyl Roadbed in the great state of TN, where the state of TN has 3 colleges in the top twenty five of NCAA basketball, I was told the material should arrive this week, about a month ago. So I sent a email just to check in with Vinyl on Tuesday and now it seems the road bed material wont get to Vinyl until Mid March, as I will be too busy then, watching March Madness and bike riding again. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47693	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: My #1218 engine.

We have them. (But note that we are now closed until March 11th, due to a death in the family, and a planned vacation trip.) <<<<Looking for 2 good or repro copper contacts for my 1218 engine>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47694	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Vinyl Roadbed order

We stopped carrying Vinylbed years ago, due to problems getting it in a timely manner, so I sympathize with you, Mike. Now it's either Homabed, or cork....both for S. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47695	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Mike, Living in close proximity to our Nations Capitol, have you considered contacting the President. Surely you have a strong case of your tiny town being declared a disaster area and qualifying for Federal Disaster Relief. Just a thought, it has been interesting following the saga. It is certainly better than anything on TV lately. Looking forward to next episode. Good luck, Larry To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; ralcor888@...; cookster1030@...; jsnell5990@...: mlmarmer@...: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:38:49 -0500Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: order Here is the latest news on the much awaited S scale 1/4" thick roadbed that I ordered on January 2, in the year of 2008.As we last visited with Vinyl Roadbed in the great state of TN, where the state of TN has 3 colleges in the top twenty five of NCAA basketball, I was told the material should arrive this week, about a month ago.So I sent a email just to check in with Vinyl on Tuesday and now it seems the road bed material wont get to Vinyl until Mid March, as I will be too busy then, watching March Madness and bike riding again.I even ordered 2 S Helper DCC Steam Engines and the Lentz DCC power pack in anticipation of the much arrival of the roadbed. I even ordered the much needed ballast from Classic Trains this week.I probably will be attending Opening Day at the new Washington Nationals Ballpark, before the road bed gets to me!! Then I will be busy every Sunday with baseball games!So, my little town on my layout will soon be a ghost town, as there will be one left soon, as despair will settle in with no economy at all. All will be left at the Plastic Phone Booths and 8 S Scale cats.Signing out, ID 10 T Vinyl Roadbed,Mike Marmer----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:57 AMSubject: RE: orderHello Mr. Marmer,Unfortunately the raw materials have not arrived yet. We have been promised a shipment by mid-March. Please accept our apologies for delaying your layout project. I will let you know as soon as the materials have arrived and we have begun processing orders again. Kind Regards,Joann SoviaHobby InnovationsP.O. Box 676Mountain City TN 37683423-727-8000Joann@...-------- Original Message --------Subject: orderFrom: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...>Date: Tue, February 26, 2008 8:43 pmTo: <Vinylbed@...>I am just checking to see if you receive this week the 1/4 " S scale roadbed?Thank you.Mike Marmer[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47696	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas

Sir Stumpy -- I picked up a couple of NIB Industrial Rail trolleys about five years ago on eBay very cheap. When I got them they sure looked the size of "S" even though they were O gauge. So I kept them. The question is: how much work to switch out the trucks and/or regauge them to run on S? If the trucks look as bad as people say (I don't remember, never took them out of the box) how difficult would it be to swap them out? Whose trucks would I use? Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > If you have access to a hobby shop that carries Atlas products, see if > you casn pick up the free Atlas Quarterly publication. They show the > Industrial Rail line of products, which are actually S scale riding on > O scale trucks. We have the log cars at the shop and are expecting the > ore cars soon. Notice, as we discussed before here, that the 4-4- 2 > Atlantic is also S scale with an O drive. > The Atlantic is almost exactly the same size as our old Flyer > Atlantic, it's a great casting, and has a tender I wish I could buy > separately to convert to S right now. > Atlas is only a steam engine drive and trucks and couplers away from > being in S gauge! > Stumpy Stone in a cold and snowy Martins Ferry, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47697	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Larry, I will have my people call his people tomorrow!!! I will let you know what he does. Better yet, I think Vinyl Roadbed needs to call for some assistance too! Oh wait, they cashed my check, so they have the sale already. O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery ; Jeff Snell Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:43 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Fw: order Mike, Living in close proximity to our Nations Capitol, have you considered contacting the President. Surely you have a strong case of your tiny town being declared a disaster area and qualifying for Federal Disaster Relief. Just a thought, it has been interesting following the saga. It is certainly better than anything on TV lately. Looking forward to next episode. Good luck, Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47698	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Vinyl Roadbed order

Thanks for letting me know Doug. They have cashed my check, so they have my money. They did offer to do a refund. I will give them to the middle of March. If no product is in, I will ask for a refund. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: Vinyl Roadbed order We stopped carrying Vinylbed years ago, due to problems getting it in a timely manner, so I sympathize with you, Mike. Now it's either Homabed, or cork....both for S. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47699	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Earl, You should of told me that before all of these important things take place in the great state of TN!!! Mike Mike, its your own fault for ordering at the wrong time of the year. Our Tennessee businesses are very prompt in their shipping of orders as long as our customers order according to normal terms of Tennessee business. First, never place an order during hunting season. The order will be ignored until the season ends. Second, never place an order with an East Tennessee business during football season. The businessmen will be too busy drinking and celebrating when the University of Tennessee is winning their football games, and too busy drinking and talking about firing the coach when they are losing football games. And third, never place an order after the SEC basketball season has started, and this is the rule you violated. If you had placed it during the preseason games, you might have received your order by now. I hope I have cleared up the issues for you and that you will play by the rules of Tennessee business next time you place an order. But, Mike, rest assured that we do appreciate your business! - Earl Henry, Nashville, home of the Vanderbilt Commodores Vanderbilt 72 Tennessee 69 ==============================================

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47700	From: Al	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: AF and other S-Gauge train items for sale

Guys, So as not to bog down this group down, I am sending just a short note to let you know I have some AF and other S-Gauge items for sale. They are listed at our sister club's site: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AvailableSgauge/message/1282 Click on address to see the listing and be sure to buy something. Thanks, Al Rawdon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47701	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Ertle

Hi I reworked the caboose. I put tractor loads on the flat car and most of all I put the New Zealand power units in one GP. It would take me some time to find the GP, but it ran good. Jim --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47702	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: AF and other S-Gauge train items for sale

If you have rolling stock with a Nevada road name, please let me know. Joe Santoro **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47703	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

I have to wonder how having the road name "American Flyer Lines" would make the Flyonel product more appealing, or reflect their commitment to S gage. L doesn't use "Lionel Lines" anymore, except for some low-end locos and the occasional reproduction of a vintage model-ala the Flyer 336. OK, Lionelville etc. accessories. What I think would be a good use of AFL - and LL-would be, just like in the good old daze, generic passenger cars available year-round. One set green, one set red. I also think a reproduction of the 955 coaches in AFL and New Haven livery would be something I'd go for- Just my $20 worth, 2 cents adjusted for 60 years of inflation-John Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47704	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Blatant AD: Colorful Timken Tank Cars ready to ship!

List, The Central Ohio S Gaugers have the Timken-authorized tank cars ready to ship. These yellow & white tankers have AF wheels and knuckle couplers installed, three numbers available. Go to cosg.org for an on-line order form. Limited run - don't be left out! "Buy early and buy often." :-) - Alan Evans o Secretary, Central Ohio S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47705	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Converting Ertel engine to S

An American Models GP-35 scale or hi rail drive unit with fit under the Ertel diesel. Minor modifications are to grind/cut the corners off a bit and hollow out the back of the cab so the drive shaft will fit. Need to do some additional modification for the headlights. A GP-35 handrail set also does work. Both items can be obtained from American Models. - Alan Evans o Ohio _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JAMES SLEETH Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:36 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Ertle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47706	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas

Phil, I don't know about, nor have I ever seen an IR trolley. Can someone please post a pic. How does this trolley compare to Terry Putt's? Have you considered regauging the Bachmann On30 trolley motorblock to 1:64? It takes about 10 to 15 minutes and a pair of SHS diesel wheelsets (about $30 for the block and about $10 for the wheelsets - don't hold me to these numbers - it has been a while since I did these conversion last. Here is a link to the process: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/on30-2-s/ Another possibility, to get a shorter wheelbase, would be to use a junker AF Baldwin that has been updated with an SnS can motor. Here is a link: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/on30-2-s/BachOn30trolley_AFBaldwin_SnScanmtr.jpg.html If you need an intermediate wheel base, the AF GP power truck with an SnS can motor is a possibility, This option is more expensive becasue of the machining required. Check with Steve at SnS Trains, he did mine several years ago and I forget what he charged me. Here is a link: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/on30-2-s/BachOn30trolley_AFGP_SnScanmtr.jpg.html Hope this helps! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas Sir Stumpy -- I picked up a couple of NIB Industrial Rail trolleys about five years ago on eBay very cheap. When I got them they sure looked the size of "S" even though they were O gauge. So I kept them. The question is: how much work to switch out the trucks and/or regauge them to run on S? If the trucks look as bad as people say (I don't remember, never took them out of the box) how difficult would it be to swap them out? Whose trucks would I use? Phil K Recent Activity a.. 5New Members b.. 6New Photos c.. 1New Polls Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Moderator Central Get answers to your questions about running Y! Groups. Featured Y! Groups and category pages. There is something for everyone. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47708	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: ERTL County Fair

Another nice 1/64 set is the ERTL County Fair. It includes a ferris wheel and a carousel. With a little imagination and engineering both can be motorized. I have seen several of these sets on S-gauge layouts at train shows and also know several of our group members have this set on their home layouts. I found a cardboard carousel kit at a toy close out that has a nice little sound system with kaliope (?) tunes. The sound system adds a nice touch to the ERTL fair. The cardboard carousel went out with the trash. Hey Stumpy - is that considered kit-trashing???? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47709	From: flyer_af	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Leave It To Beaver - AF episode

There is also a movie that shows up on Turner Classic Movies occasionally, called "Roadblock" starring Charles McGraw, from 1951. It features an AF layout with an Atlantic loco..... run by a Lionel ZW transformer! There are some pretty good shots of a 1951-era AF layout in it. .......Larry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > A couple of days ago I noticed TV Land is again running the "Leave It > To Beaver" episode "My Brother's Girl". This was discussed a couple of > months ago and the people who saw it then said it features American > Flyer trains. Since I had missed it last time, I set the DVR to record > the show. This morning I hit the 4X fast forward to check out the > trains - hmmmm - no trains. I hit rewind and tried again 2X fast > forward - still no trains. So rewind again and play it through at > normal speed. Finally at the 16 minute mark there are the trains for > maybe 10 seconds, followed by a short scene with the layout in the > foreground. Definitely AF but hardly what I would consider to > be "featuring AF trains". I doubt anyone other than AF fans would even > realize it's AF. > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47710	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "chicocannon1" <chicocannon1@...> wrote: > > To Steve, srgriggs and Edward G.-- > > I only bring this up because you all have responded to the below > quote credited to me: > > > Have most of you noticed that the only place on the recent Flyonel > > locos that says "American Flyer" is the Box? Methinks they are > > helping keep "S" gauge and their bottom line alive, not > > necessarily American Flyer. > > I find this strange because it does not reflect my feelings, but the > opposite. I have also looked at all of my recent posts and none of > them contain this quote. > > It's not a problem. I only call attention to it because it looks > like I'm contradicting myself, from my earlier thoughts on Lionel > making AF. > > Just wondering, tho, where did that quote come from? I can't find it > anywhere on the board. > > Chico > Chico, I saw the quote attributed to you in another post and responded to that. If I have misquoted you or misread your comments, I apologize. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47711	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

I would like to see "American Flyer bu Lionel" on the bottom out of sight till you pivked it up. But, as I said before, they only kept tje Ives name 8 or 10 years, then it became just "Lionel 027". So, I expect they will in time just offer "Lionel 'S' gauge". The Gilbert Hall of Science is gone. The new, not repo, stuff is pure Lionel, or Lionel's contractor in China. jfred john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: I have to wonder how having the road name "American Flyer Lines" would make the Flyonel product more appealing, or reflect their commitment to S gage. L doesn't use "Lionel Lines" anymore, except for some low-end locos and the occasional reproduction of a vintage model-ala the Flyer 336. OK, Lionelville etc. accessories. What I think would be a good use of AFL - and LL-would be, just like in the good old daze, generic passenger cars available year-round. One set green, one set red. I also think a reproduction of the 955 coaches in AFL and New Haven livery would be something I'd go for- Just my $20 worth, 2 cents adjusted for 60 years of inflation-John Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47712	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: ERTL County Fair

BG, Looks like the bleachers could be set up for a good ole' fashioned tractor pull or Weiner Dog Races!! Either could be animated, I'd think, without too much difficulty. Have to see if I can find one of these sets somewhere. Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] ERTL County Fair Another nice 1/64 set is the ERTL County Fair. It includes a ferris wheel and a carousel. With a little imagination and engineering both can be motorized. I have seen several of these sets on S-gauge layouts at train shows and also know several of our group members have this set on their home layouts. I found a cardboard carousel kit at a toy close out that has a nice little sound system with kaliope (?) tunes. The sound system adds a nice touch to the ERTL fair. The cardboard carousel went out with the trash. Hey Stumpy - is that considered kit-trashing???? BG1 Recent Activity a.. 6New Members b.. 6New Photos c.. 1New Polls Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Special K Group on Yahoo! Groups Learn how others are losing pounds. All-Bran Day 10 Club on Yahoo! Groups Feel better with fiber. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47713	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: ERTL County Fair

Hi Don, ERTL makes an animated 1/64 tractor pull set. I found several of them a few years ago at Big Lots and sold them all to members of this group. Check out eBay if you want either of these sets. They show up there from time to time. Good luck! BTW - I lived in El Dorado, AR for a few years - is that anywhere near you? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunseyjr@...> wrote: > > BG, > > Looks like the bleachers could be set up for a good ole' fashioned tractor pull or Weiner Dog Races!! Either could be animated, I'd think, without too much difficulty. > > Have to see if I can find one of these sets somewhere. > > Keep in touch! > > Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47714	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Variability in S

Don, I've squirreled away a number of ERTL sets for use on my layout (under construction). IMHO they are a very inexpensive source of useful items -- over time I've found a number of them in toy liquidator shops for short money. I've had the GP35 loco from the railroad freight set out and running on my S Helper Service S-TRAX test oval without any problem -- although it is a single speed, it makes a nice option for younger kids to play with. And it certainly has nice detail especially for the very little moeny. At some point I've probably convert one of the locos to run on the layout -- better trucks, DCC, etc. -- but no time at the moment. I've not assembled the freight cars nor the caboose. Michael At 2/27/2008 09:49 AM, Donald Munsey Jr. wrote: >My friend'S', > >Have any of you folks converted any of the rolling stock that came >with the ERTL Farm set. > >I know several have worked with the GP-35 loco. If anyone has done >any of the rolling stock, I'd like to see pix. > >How about any of the ERTL structures? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47715	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

Ok here is the trail Chico said: Re: Poll No problem. I think one of the reasons so many people on this board look upon Lionel favorably is because it has kept American Flyer "alive". After all, it is more tinplate or hirail compared to the other group, S- Scale. Whether you buy the new Lionel Flyer or not, you have to admit looking at each new catalog still gives you that "tingle" you had when you were a kid. It does me. There are a lot of wonderful memories tied to AF in my body. Chico ******************************* Then Steve said: Regarding the below statement from chicocannon1: Have most of you noticed that the only place on the recent Flyonel locos that says "American Flyer" is the Box? Methinks they are helping keep "S" gauge and their bottom line alive, not necessarily American Flyer. Steve SnS Trains Boise ****************************** You guys have been attributing Steve's comment to Chico when Chicos original comment was at the bottom of Steve's original message. Everything between the ********* was written by Steve. I hope this solves the mystery for Chico and the rest of you, and I hope this doesn't start a flame war to Steve. MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47716	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: ERTL County Fair

> "Have to see if I can find one of these sets somewhere." I found quite a few of my Ertl sets on eBay. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47717	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: was Lionel keeping AF alive-now green & maroon heavyweights & mail p

I like the idea of having a green set and a maroon set of the new heavyweight cars lettered for American Flyer Lines to match the colors of the 918 mail pickup cars. Better yet would be a new 918 mail pickup car with longer and improved body with clerestry roofs and better looking trucks, prefereably six wheels. I think Lionel could get a lot of mileage out of doing these as a set. It would really appeal to the AF guys who had trains in the 1950s. I always thought the mail pickup car was the neatest accessory car that American Flyer had. With that statement, let me admit I am a passenger car freak. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 2/29/2008 8:48:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, druvnik@... writes: What I think would be a good use of AFL - and LL-would be, just like in the good old daze, generic passenger cars available year-round. One set green, one set red. I also think a reproduction of the 955 coaches in AFL and New Haven livery would be something I'd go for- Just my $20 worth, 2 cents adjusted for 60 years of inflation-John Marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47718	From: chicocannon1	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Re : Lionel keeping American Flyer alive

It's not a problem, Scott. But I'm mystified where those words came from. I thought I read it in someone else's post, but can't find it anywhere. I think Steve was the first to quote it. Maybe he knows. Chico --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "chicocannon1" <chicocannon1@> > wrote: > > > > To Steve, srgriggs and Edward G.-- > > > > I only bring this up because you all have responded to the below > > quote credited to me: > > > > > Have most of you noticed that the only place on the recent Flyonel > > > locos that says "American Flyer" is the Box? Methinks they are > > > helping keep "S" gauge and their bottom line alive, not > > > necessarily American Flyer. > > > > I find this strange because it does not reflect my feelings, but > the > > opposite. I have also looked at all of my recent posts and none of > > them contain this quote. > > > > It's not a problem. I only call attention to it because it looks > > like I'm contradicting myself, from my earlier thoughts on Lionel > > making AF. > > > > Just wondering, tho, where did that quote come from? I can't find > it > > anywhere on the board. > > > > Chico > > > > Chico, > > I saw the quote attributed to you in another post and responded to > that. If I have misquoted you or misread your comments, I apologize. > > Scott >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47719	From: afjerryk5	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Roadbed

Has anyone checked out Woodland Scenics Track Bed? It's a black foam type material,comes in HO N and O scales.It's available in rolls, strips and sheets.I've seen it at Hobby Lobby,and LHS.With a little imagination and some"slicing and dicing"it might work in S.Mike,if you get your money back from that other stuff you might look into it. enjoying spring weather in Indiana,it can change in a wink of an eye Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47720	From: gettysburg9	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: 312 motor rebuild question:

I have a motor/chassis from a newly acquired 312 on the bench. Replaced brushes(missing) and oiled everything, etc. In reverse it screams, however, it seems to run much slower in forward. I noticed the commutator floats back and forth (front to rear) quite a bit in the forward position, not so in reverse. The commutator which came with the engine does not have the tapered oil slinger on the shaft in front of the surface.(brush side) Upon checking my other 312's, they have the oil slinger commutator. Would having this "flat" commutator as opposed to the one with the oil slinger make a difference? I have a rebuilt one with the slinger, but did not want to use it if it was not the problem. Thanks for helping with my learning curve. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47721	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: 312 motor rebuild question:

Paul, If you will go to this link www.portlines.com there is a section on repairs and frequently asked questions. This problem is covered in the faster in reverse syndrome. It details the problem and corrections. Good Luck, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: gettysburg@...: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:24:20 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] 312 motor rebuild question: I have a motor/chassis from a newly acquired 312 on the bench. Replaced brushes(missing) and oiled everything, etc. In reverse it screams, however, it seems to run much slower in forward. I noticed the commutator floats back and forth (front to rear) quite a bit in the forward position, not so in reverse. The commutator which came with the engine does not have the tapered oil slinger on the shaft in front of the surface.(brush side) Upon checking my other 312's, they have the oil slinger commutator. Would having this "flat" commutator as opposed to the one with the oil slinger make a difference? I have a rebuilt one with the slinger, but did not want to use it if it was not the problem. Thanks for helping with my learning curve.Paul _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47722	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas

----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Munsey Jr. I don't know about, nor have I ever seen an IR trolley. Can someone please post a pic. > > > > > > > > > I have a trolley of sorts that's been separated from its packaging for some time, so I don't know if this is an Industrial Rail trolley or not. Underside each truck it says IDM by UMD Inc. It's about 50 S-scale long and the trucks have an 8 ft wheelbase. It looks sort of heavy-duty, more suitable as an interurban than a city trolley. Is this what we're talking about? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47723	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: I finally found pictures of the Atlas Atlantic.

I don't think it has any more detail the out first Atlantic's. The tender looks good. They could have just copied the AF die. All they need to do is buy the Ertle GP,Flat car and caboose and they have a train set. I went in a Hobby shop in Oak Lawn Ill. he asked what I was looking for, and I said S gauge. He said they don't carry any and I said I see 3 S gauge cars on the shelves. I said they are called Industrial Rail. Then I said O gauger's are so dumb they buy Marx and Kusan early 50's cars and engines as well and 50 years latter. Jim Sleeth --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47724	From: roy inman	Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed

We are using the WS roadbed on a section of our phase of a new layout at Union Station Kansas City. We have yet to run a train over the track, but the roadbed was very easy to work with. I do wish it came RTR in S however. The HO by itself is a tad bit small... Roy Inman From: afjerryk5 <afjerryk5@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:45:16 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Roadbed Has anyone checked out Woodland Scenics Track Bed? It's a black foam type material,comes in HO N and O scales.It's available in rolls, strips and sheets.I've seen it at Hobby Lobby,and LHS.With a little imagination and some"slicing and dicing"it might work in S.Mike,if you get your money back from that other stuff you might look into it. enjoying spring weather in Indiana,it can change in a wink of an eye Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47725	From: Andrew	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: transformer cut off or safety / circuit breaker?

Right now I am using a Lionel 45watt (5 to 17VAC)transformer. It works ok but every once in a while the train will hit a dead spot and stop, then the transformer stops working, no voltage. The trains are very old and prone to studer. After I unplug and plug in the transformer and rotate the armature on the train everything starts to work again (or trys). Could there be a overload circuit breaker built into this transformer? After allot of cleaning and help from you guys, I've manage to get two of my trains running. Here are some videos of the trains: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=calvinthedestroyer">Andy's Old AF Trains</a> Thanks again for your help!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47726	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas

Tom: Go into the www.atlasrr.com and then go to "Atlas O", and you'll see the "Industrial Rail by Atlas". That trolley is a larger city car, not the 4-wheel type we're used to stereotyping as a city car. _____________________________________________________________ Save money by getting out of debt the right way. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieh7OagTJ6xSRwgh0Pdq9o5qRUm0AQbJqXSkB6ZAP6C7sPKz/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47727	From: ken_5556	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: 312 motor rebuild question:

Paul, You are correct. There is too much play in the armature. Notice where it runs good and shim, using very small washers, so there is no play. This takes a lot of trial and error, a lot of taking apart and assembling. By the way that link is: http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic20.htm Ken --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > Paul, If you will go to this link www.portlines.com there is a section on repairs and frequently asked questions. This problem is covered in the faster in reverse syndrome. It details the problem and corrections. Good Luck, Larry > > > To: S-Trains@...: gettysburg@...: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:24:20 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] 312 motor rebuild question: > > > > > I have a motor/chassis from a newly acquired 312 on the bench. Replaced brushes(missing) and oiled everything, etc. In reverse it screams, however, it seems to run much slower in forward. I noticed the commutator floats back and forth (front to rear) quite a bit in the forward position, not so in reverse. The commutator which came with the engine does not have the tapered oil slinger on the shaft in front of the surface.(brush side) Upon checking my other 312's, they have the oil slinger commutator. Would having this "flat" commutator as opposed to the one with the oil slinger make a difference? I have a rebuilt one with the slinger, but did not want to use it if it was not the problem. Thanks for helping with my learning curve.Paul > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47728	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: I finally found pictures of the Atlas Atlantic.

Jim, I have seen the Atlas Industrial Model Atlantic in person and it is a much nicer engine than our "Beloved Gilbert Atlantic", The scale design is much better and just looking at a picture you can't see it all. Check one out in person and I think most S Gaugers would love to have this model running down their 2 T Rail tracks. Jerry Matsick JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> wrote: I don't think it has any more detail the out first Atlantic's. The tender looks good. They could have just copied the AF die. All they need to do is buy the Ertle GP,Flat car and caboose and they have a train set. I went in a Hobby shop in Oak Lawn Ill. he asked what I was looking for, and I said S gauge. He said they don't carry any and I said I see 3 S gauge cars on the shelves. I said they are called Industrial Rail. Then I said O gauger's are so dumb they buy Marx and Kusan early 50's cars and engines as well and 50 years latter. Jim Sleeth --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47729	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas

Tom - the IMD trolley is now a "Collectble" as it was the first in this type of trolley released. What trolley line is it? Jerry Matsick Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Munsey Jr. I don't know about, nor have I ever seen an IR trolley. Can someone please post a pic. > > > > > > > > > I have a trolley of sorts that's been separated from its packaging for some time, so I don't know if this is an Industrial Rail trolley or not. Underside each truck it says IDM by UMD Inc. It's about 50 S-scale long and the trucks have an 8 ft wheelbase. It looks sort of heavy-duty, more suitable as an interurban than a city trolley. Is this what we're talking about? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47730	From: teeb_1	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: 312 motor rebuild question:

If you're not familiar with the Portlines site, you need to look specifically for a link titled "On-Line American Flyer Repair Clinics !" in the left hand menu in section "I. General", or just go directly to http://www.portlines.com/afrepairclinics.htm and the look for item #20. I add this because as many times as I've been there I still have trouble spotting the Repair Clinics link ... maybe I'm just easily distracted by all the other great stuff at this site. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > Paul, If you will go to this link www.portlines.com there is a section on repairs and frequently asked questions. This problem is covered in the faster in reverse syndrome. It details the problem and corrections. Good Luck, Larry > > > To: S-Trains@...: gettysburg@...: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:24:20 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] 312 motor rebuild question: > > > > > I have a motor/chassis from a newly acquired 312 on the bench. Replaced brushes(missing) and oiled everything, etc. In reverse it screams, however, it seems to run much slower in forward. I noticed the commutator floats back and forth (front to rear) quite a bit in the forward position, not so in reverse. The commutator which came with the engine does not have the tapered oil slinger on the shaft in front of the surface.(brush side) Upon checking my other 312's, they have the oil slinger commutator. Would having this "flat" commutator as opposed to the one with the oil slinger make a difference? I have a rebuilt one with the slinger, but did not want to use it if it was not the problem. Thanks for helping with my learning curve.Paul > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47731	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Lionel Steam Loco Poll Results

The following S-Trains poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: I own one or more American Flyer by Lionel STEAM locomotives. I rate my experience as: CHOICES AND RESULTS - Fully Pleased – No issues at all., 18 votes, 32.14% - Pleased – minor fit/finish problem., 2 votes, 3.57% - Pleased – minor mechanical problem., 11 votes, 19.64% - Pleased – minor electronics problem., 8 votes, 14.29% - Neutral – one or two minor issues., 10 votes, 17.86% - Displeased – numerous minor issues., 3 votes, 5.36% - Displeased – major fit/finish problems., 0 votes, 0.00% - Displeased – major mechanical problems., 1 votes, 1.79% - Displeased – major electronics problems., 3 votes, 5.36% - Totally Displeased – numerous major problems., 0 votes, 0.00% BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47732	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas

----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Matsick Tom - the IMD trolley is now a "Collectible" as it was the first in this type of trolley released. > > > > > > > > > That's good to know. The one I collected is going to be regauged when I get around to it. < < < < < < < < < What trolley line is it? > > > > > > > > > Trolley line? The only markings on it are SEASONS GREETINGS and 1225. And as to body style, this is definitely it. http://www.atlaso.com/IR/irtrolley1.htm The truck sideframes are different from anything I'm familiar with, but they look a little like those on the New Orleans streetcars. See http://chemistry.syr.edu/brandt/nol99/nol99.htm and click on the little camera-icons on the left. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47733	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas

I have three of the ore cars that I got from one of the On30 folks last summer. I sat them on SHS trucks and they are ready to go - as soon as I get couplers on them! I'll try to post pix later today or tomorrow. Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: <schwartzsj@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas > Tom: > > Go into the www.atlasrr.com and then go to "Atlas O", and you'll see the > "Industrial Rail by Atlas". That trolley is a larger city car, not the > 4-wheel type we're used to stereotyping as a city car.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47734	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

In a message dated 2/29/2008 1:32:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Mike, Living in close proximity to our Nations Capitol, have you considered contacting the President. Surely you have a strong case of your tiny town being declared a disaster area and qualifying for Federal Disaster Relief. Wondering how high Mike's ceilings are for the obligatory helicopter flyover, before funds (and formaldehyde filled camper trailers) start to arrive. Jim "curious on the PENNSY Main" Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47735	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Mike; Just be glad you don't have a diesel tsunami on order! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Here is the latest news on the much awaited S scale 1/4" thick roadbed that I ordered on January 2, in the year of 2008. > > As we last visited with Vinyl Roadbed in the great state of TN, where the state of TN has 3 colleges in the top twenty five of NCAA basketball, I was told the material should arrive this week, about a month ago. > > So I sent a email just to check in with Vinyl on Tuesday and now it seems the road bed material wont get to Vinyl until Mid March, as I will be too busy then, watching March Madness and bike riding again. > > I even ordered 2 S Helper DCC Steam Engines and the Lentz DCC power pack in anticipation of the much arrival of the roadbed. I even ordered the much needed ballast from Classic Trains this week. > > I probably will be attending Opening Day at the new Washington Nationals Ballpark, before the road bed gets to me!! Then I will be busy every Sunday with baseball games! > > So, my little town on my layout will soon be a ghost town, as there will be one left soon, as despair will settle in with no economy at all. All will be left at the Plastic Phone Booths and 8 S Scale cats. > > Signing out, ID 10 T Vinyl Roadbed, > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joann Sovia > To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:57 AM > Subject: RE: order > > > Hello Mr. Marmer, > > Unfortunately the raw materials have not arrived yet. We have been promised a shipment by mid-March. Please accept our apologies for delaying your layout project. I will let you know as soon as the materials have arrived and we have begun processing orders again. > > Kind Regards, > > Joann Sovia > Hobby Innovations > P.O. Box 676 > Mountain City TN 37683 > 423-727-8000 > Joann@... > www.HobbyInnovations.com > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: order > From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> > Date: Tue, February 26, 2008 8:43 pm > To: <Vinylbed@...> > > > I am just checking to see if you receive this week the 1/4 " S scale roadbed? > > Thank you. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47736	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47737	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Roadbed

I just want to clarified my roadbed situation as someone on this list send them a email about the situation. I just want to make it clear, as I thought I did in previous emails, that the Roadbed company is having a hard time getting raw material to cut the product for me and anyone else who ordered the product. As many of you know, I have been a vintage AF collector for a long time, since 1991 and now this year, I have started the layout, as I got my track from Classic Trains last April, I built my table in November. Then I put down the track on the table to see how it would look, along with assorted buildings. I think you all know the excitement I am having in doing this, as I never really had a real S scale layout in my 53 years of life. I shared with you the problems the company was having and how they offered me a refund, if I wanted to do that. I told them I would wait. Classic Trains recommends the product, as I got a sample many many years ago, before I knew about Classic Trains track, as I was going to use AF track. I know Jerry Matsick loves the product from Vinyl. I feel the product will last longer than cork, as cork will break down in time. I feel that the product will have superior sound deading abilities. And in my emails about the roadbed, I had a bit of fun with it not being here, like the town going bankrupt due to no rail traffic, etc, but in no way, was that to make fun of Vinyl Roadbed Company. If anyone thought I was, I fully apologize. They have asked me twice if I want a refund, which is very fair and they where fully honest with me in the situation. I told them I will wait. I never made any slanderous comments about the company. I feel they have been very upfront with things. In fact someone asked me in a private email yesterday on why I choose Vinyl. After I told him why I was using it, I told him, if he is interested in the product to go ahead and order it, as it does take time to process and they might have many back orders. I told him the worse thing that can happen, if the roadbed does not show up, he loses a small amount of time and they will refund the money. You can not ask anymore from a company like this. Yes, I am disappointed, as I am excited about the layout, as I got things from S Helper as you, 2 steam engines and the Lentz DCC pack. I just ordered from Classic Trains, the ballast for the track. I hope this clears things up that Vinyl Roadbed is not at fault for the lack of product due to the supplier. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47738	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Phil, Thanks as I have no idea what diesel tsunami. I am slow in keeping up with the new things on the market. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Dunlop To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: order Mike; Just be glad you don't have a diesel tsunami on order! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Here is the latest news on the much awaited S scale 1/4" thick roadbed that I ordered on January 2, in the year of 2008. > > As we last visited with Vinyl Roadbed in the great state of TN, where the state of TN has 3 colleges in the top twenty five of NCAA basketball, I was told the material should arrive this week, about a month ago. > > So I sent a email just to check in with Vinyl on Tuesday and now it seems the road bed material wont get to Vinyl until Mid March, as I will be too busy then, watching March Madness and bike riding again. > > I even ordered 2 S Helper DCC Steam Engines and the Lentz DCC power pack in anticipation of the much arrival of the roadbed. I even ordered the much needed ballast from Classic Trains this week. > > I probably will be attending Opening Day at the new Washington Nationals Ballpark, before the road bed gets to me!! Then I will be busy every Sunday with baseball games! > > So, my little town on my layout will soon be a ghost town, as there will be one left soon, as despair will settle in with no economy at all. All will be left at the Plastic Phone Booths and 8 S Scale cats. > > Signing out, ID 10 T Vinyl Roadbed, > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joann Sovia > To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:57 AM > Subject: RE: order > > > Hello Mr. Marmer, > > Unfortunately the raw materials have not arrived yet. We have been promised a shipment by mid-March. Please accept our apologies for delaying your layout project. I will let you know as soon as the materials have arrived and we have begun processing orders again. > > Kind Regards, > > Joann Sovia > Hobby Innovations > P.O. Box 676 > Mountain City TN 37683 > 423-727-8000 > Joann@... > www.HobbyInnovations.com > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: order > From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> > Date: Tue, February 26, 2008 8:43 pm > To: <Vinylbed@...> > > > I am just checking to see if you receive this week the 1/4 " S scale roadbed? > > Thank you. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47739	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Actually we are on the path of the fly over for the THREE helicopters from the White House to Camp David. Always the same routine. I will make some signs for his help with financial aid to the town. ten and twenty's will be just fine. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: order In a message dated 2/29/2008 1:32:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Mike, Living in close proximity to our Nations Capitol, have you considered contacting the President. Surely you have a strong case of your tiny town being declared a disaster area and qualifying for Federal Disaster Relief. Wondering how high Mike's ceilings are for the obligatory helicopter flyover, before funds (and formaldehyde filled camper trailers) start to arrive. Jim "curious on the PENNSY Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47740	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Roadbed

As usual I have too many things going on at the same time. My first line in the email is meant to be that someone on this list sent Vinyl Roadbed a email about my situation and why I do not have my roadbed. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Joann Sovia Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Roadbed I just want to clarified my roadbed situation as someone on this list send them a email about the situation. I just want to make it clear, as I thought I did in previous emails, that the Roadbed company is having a hard time getting raw material to cut the product for me and anyone else who ordered the product. As many of you know, I have been a vintage AF collector for a long time, since 1991 and now this year, I have started the layout, as I got my track from Classic Trains last April, I built my table in November. Then I put down the track on the table to see how it would look, along with assorted buildings. I think you all know the excitement I am having in doing this, as I never really had a real S scale layout in my 53 years of life. I shared with you the problems the company was having and how they offered me a refund, if I wanted to do that. I told them I would wait. Classic Trains recommends the product, as I got a sample many many years ago, before I knew about Classic Trains track, as I was going to use AF track. I know Jerry Matsick loves the product from Vinyl. I feel the product will last longer than cork, as cork will break down in time. I feel that the product will have superior sound deading abilities. And in my emails about the roadbed, I had a bit of fun with it not being here, like the town going bankrupt due to no rail traffic, etc, but in no way, was that to make fun of Vinyl Roadbed Company. If anyone thought I was, I fully apologize. They have asked me twice if I want a refund, which is very fair and they where fully honest with me in the situation. I told them I will wait. I never made any slanderous comments about the company. I feel they have been very upfront with things. In fact someone asked me in a private email yesterday on why I choose Vinyl. After I told him why I was using it, I told him, if he is interested in the product to go ahead and order it, as it does take time to process and they might have many back orders. I told him the worse thing that can happen, if the roadbed does not show up, he loses a small amount of time and they will refund the money. You can not ask anymore from a company like this. Yes, I am disappointed, as I am excited about the layout, as I got things from S Helper as you, 2 steam engines and the Lentz DCC pack. I just ordered from Classic Trains, the ballast for the track. I hope this clears things up that Vinyl Roadbed is not at fault for the lack of product due to the supplier. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47741	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Let's clarify this "Lionel/American Flyer thing

Since I apparently started this discourse on the use of American Flyer (lack of) I would like to point out that I didn't suggest the name "American Flyer Lines or American Flyer" be printed on the locos, tenders or anything else that is visible. That would be somewhat silly since most everyone in the business today uses real road names. I merely suggested that the words American Flyer by Lionel would be nice on the bottom of the pieces. A neophyte some time from now in seeing one of this pieces somewhere, would not have any reason to think it was not a "O" gauge piece. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 02/29/2008 7:48:05 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, druvnik@... writes: I have to wonder how having the road name "American Flyer Lines" would make the Flyonel product more appealing, or reflect their commitment to S gage. L doesn't use "Lionel Lines" anymore, except for some low-end locos and the occasional reproduction of a vintage model-ala the Flyer 336. OK, Lionelville etc. accessories. What I think would be a good use of AFL - and LL-would be, just like in the good old daze, generic passenger cars available year-round. One set green, one set red. I also think a reproduction of the 955 coaches in AFL and New Haven livery would be something I'd go for- Just my $20 worth, 2 cents adjusted for 60 years of inflation-John Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47742	From: roninscho9	Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: ace & downs products

Anyone know what has happened to the ACE / Downs line of trucks & bolsters ? . Thanks Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47743	From: G C	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: I finally found pictures of the Atlas Atlantic.

Jerry and Stumpy, I too saw one yesterday at Tommy Gilbert's store in G'burg, PA. I think the engine is a fairly good copy of the PRR E-6, but how would you re-gauge the thing? Could you swap out the guts with an old Flyer mechanism? The tender alone is a beauty! Also, the price is quite affordable as "train stuff" goes. With all the recent talk about the "Big Boy", I have a real soft spot for Atlantics. This little guys were really fast. Don't forget one of these is the famous "Lindberg Engine". Gene Cimino Hanover, PA ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47744	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: transformer cut off or safety / circuit breaker?

Andrew, You need to get a larger transformer to improve the operation.. At 17 volts you have barely 2 1/2 amps available..... gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 6:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] transformer cut off or safety / circuit breaker? Right now I am using a Lionel 45watt (5 to 17VAC)transformer. It works ok but every once in a while the train will hit a dead spot and stop, then the transformer stops working, no voltage. The trains are very old and prone to studer. After I unplug and plug in the transformer and rotate the armature on the train everything starts to work again (or trys). Could there be a overload circuit breaker built into this transformer? After allot of cleaning and help from you guys, I've manage to get two of my trains running. Here are some videos of the trains: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=calvinthedestroyer">Andy's Old AF Trains</a> Thanks again for your help! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1304 - Release Date: 2/29/2008 8:18 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47745	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Order-- HUMOR warning

Phil, One mistake with your post--that should be; "Bwhaa, ha ha ha ha ha ha. . . " (It needs that evil "Bwha" for full effect) Mike, "Tens and Twenties" -- Hey, this is a Gov't. grant, I hope you meant Tens & Twenties Thousands!! You'll also need to request some FEMA trailers to replace that "fine housing" you sent pics of (use those in your grant request). (And yes, I did end that sentence with a preposition.) As one of my Steamboat "buddies" signs his posts, Smoothe Sailing! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47746	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Layout Feature Planning

HI all, My Save the Delta Queen post upset a few here, for which I am sorry (although the title told them ahead of time that it wasn't S related so they could delete it). BUT the responses did give me a GREAT idea for my layout that I hadn't though about--A river scene with a steamboat in it!! I took many pictures while riding the DQ of railroads near the river, even had to wait for a train to clear a lift bridge before we could continue. (That was cool, we could see the bridge coming up, and heard the train whistle, so some of us aboard knew instantly that there would be a delay in our speedy 8 mph progress on the river). Hmm I'm gonna need a bigger room, or use selective compression--anyone else have one of these features that I could maybe steal some ideas? (That's what great about layout planing, until you start building it, you can think or steal all sorts of ideas, for instance, my turntable area may need redesigning since the Big Boy was announced--I already changed it once for the AM Northern!) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47747	From: G C	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Mike, Just count up the number of residents and you should be receiving a rebate check for each in the mail. After all if They got away with having all those "dead votes" counted in Chicago, you should be able to pull this one off. L.O.L. Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47748	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: S Helper Cars Wanted.

Have been looking for a few S Hleper Cars. Will pay good prices for Mint in the Box! Cars wanted are #685 three car A.R.T. set of reefers, #571 Baby Ruth woodside reefer and the 1569 and 1570 Ivory Soap cars. Thanks, Dave. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47749	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Order-- HUMOR warning

Yes, David, I meant in tens and twenties in 1000's. Hey, my town does not go for low amounts in public aid. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Order-- HUMOR warning Phil, One mistake with your post--that should be; "Bwhaa, ha ha ha ha ha ha. . . " (It needs that evil "Bwha" for full effect) Mike, "Tens and Twenties" -- Hey, this is a Gov't. grant, I hope you meant Tens & Twenties Thousands!! You'll also need to request some FEMA trailers to replace that "fine housing" you sent pics of (use those in your grant request). (And yes, I did end that sentence with a preposition.) As one of my Steamboat "buddies" signs his posts, Smoothe Sailing! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47750	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: order

Gene, Great idea! O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: order Mike, Just count up the number of residents and you should be receiving a rebate check for each in the mail. After all if They got away with having all those "dead votes" counted in Chicago, you should be able to pull this one off. L.O.L. Gene Cimino __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47751	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Link Coupler Lock

Tired of your link cars separating when you have guests over on running night and causes embarrassment. STOP this anointing habit with the new, never before produced link coupler Lock. IT looks like a simple # 8 rubber band, act like a simple #8 rubber band. But it has super powers. Simply connect the link cars by looping the super connector around the pin of each car. Amazingly when the cars separates during an operating night THEY mysteriously catch up with the leading cars, they reconnect and go along on their destination. This product can be purchases with out the super powers and a local stationary store. BUT the super power can only be found, Using a Colorado fishing license, and dropping a sacrificial worm into the waters of Jefferson lake, ( not at the ball park, Mike and Linda ) and meditating in the sun light at 10,000 Ft. elevation. Be careful, the Chip monks ( don't know which order of monks they are ) will steel your lunch. Jerry HR77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47752	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Layout Feature Planning

Hi David and Esteemed Colleagues, Railroad car ferries are wonderful industries. With a car ferry, you can connect to anywhere else at all including railroads with which your fictional geography has no land connection. The Dossin Museum in Detroit ( http://www.detroithistorical.org/exhibits/index.asp ) has a lot of information about car ferries on the Great Lakes and rivers. Also, information about the car ferries can be found in books and at other sites such as: http://www.carferries.com/ . My favorite is the Chief Wawatam that worked the Straits of Mackinac until 1984. Sadly, a model of that ship would be about 5 feet long in S-Scale. Also sadly, the Chief has been converted to a storage barge and it is no longer possible to see it smoking up the Straits. Too bad there was no successful preservation effort for it. There are a couple of pictures of the Chief Wawatam on eBay right now. There are other ferries that worked the rivers and smaller lakes (Lake Champlain in NY is notable as is the Hudson River) . Some of the currently operating, small ferries could be modified for RR use and would fit a home layout. In fact, practically anything that floats could be adapted to RR car ferry service. Many of the ferries that worked in and around Detroit were side wheelers. There is no theoretical reason a stern wheel ferry could not work. Even if there are no tracks on the ship, the dock and ferry boat are excellent subjects for industries. A lot of passengers would transfer between ferry and passenger cars for a cruise or to traverse an aquatic obstacle. I for one would welcome information about industries other than the brewery or furniture factory we see on 95% of the layouts on which so much effort is spent. I regularly delete posts about SIT (in which I have no interest) and not once has pressing that key raised my blood pressure. David, if you have plans or pictures of a handsome and unusual industry such as a riverboat, I would be delighted to see them. Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Dewey Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Layout Feature Planning HI all, My Save the Delta Queen post upset a few here, for which I am sorry (although the title told them ahead of time that it wasn't S related so they could delete it). BUT the responses did give me a GREAT idea for my layout that I hadn't though about--A river scene with a steamboat in it!! I took many pictures while riding the DQ of railroads near the river, even had to wait for a train to clear a lift bridge before we could continue. (That was cool, we could see the bridge coming up, and heard the train whistle, so some of us aboard knew instantly that there would be a delay in our speedy 8 mph progress on the river). Hmm I'm gonna need a bigger room, or use selective compression--anyone else have one of these features that I could maybe steal some ideas? (That's what great about layout planing, until you start building it, you can think or steal all sorts of ideas, for instance, my turntable area may need redesigning since the Big Boy was announced--I already changed it once for the AM Northern!) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47753	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Layout Feature Planning

David, The boat on the river that runs off into the distance on the backdrop. The bridge just painted on the backdrop. jfred David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: HI all, My Save the Delta Queen post upset a few here, for which I am sorry (although the title told them ahead of time that it wasn't S related so they could delete it). BUT the responses did give me a GREAT idea for my layout that I hadn't though about--A river scene with a steamboat in it!! I took many pictures while riding the DQ of railroads near the river, even had to wait for a train to clear a lift bridge before we could continue. (That was cool, we could see the bridge coming up, and heard the train whistle, so some of us aboard knew instantly that there would be a delay in our speedy 8 mph progress on the river). Hmm I'm gonna need a bigger room, or use selective compression--anyone else have one of these features that I could maybe steal some ideas? (That's what great about layout planing, until you start building it, you can think or steal all sorts of ideas, for instance, my turntable area may need redesigning since the Big Boy was announced--I already changed it once for the AM Northern!) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47754	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47755	From: trainnut2us	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: DCC Question

Has any one had expirence with using BK Hi Speed turnouts with DCC?? This turnout is the one that allows a person to run HiRail or Scale on same layout. Thanks, Jim Siverling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47756	From: michael prell	Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm

How does one log in once registered? Is there a secret handshake ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47757	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Air Chime Whistle Hook-up

Greetings! Have a 4x8 loop of track with two "blocked" sections each controlled by a toggle switch, and a spur, for changing trains. I would like to add the air chime whistle control this loop of track if possible, and still be able to change trains and use the whistle on this loop. Is it possible to wire the whistle control into this system? And, how would I do it? My thinking at the moment is to take the green wire from the control button and take two wires off this, one to each track clip-on. Then take the black wire from the transformer, add two wires, running each through a toggle switch and then to each of the track clip-ons. Would this be workable? Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in snow filled est Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47758	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm

We saw you there Sunday . Your login was LogLoader1 I believe. You were in the main (Default) chat for a bit and then you popped into a couple of others new chat rooms you apparently created yourself? So you did get registered ok but apparently did not see other users in the Main Default room?? Sorry you had trouble. It may be a browser/firewall issue if you did not see others there. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of michael prell Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm How does one log in once registered? Is there a secret handshake ? Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47759	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Layout Feature Planning

Bill David and all those interested in car ferries, Ed Fillion at Deerfield River Laser has released his tug boat (about $48) and barges (flattop about $22) in 1:64 scale. The rail barge (about $32) is Sn42 (16.5mm HO gauge). They are not on his web site, but can be viewed on the Deerfield yahoo list. Here is the URL: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/deerfieldriver/photos/browse/de28 Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Layout Feature Planning Hi David and Esteemed Colleagues, Railroad car ferries are wonderful industries. With a car ferry, you can connect to anywhere else at all including railroads with which your fictional geography has no land connection. The Dossin Museum in Detroit ( http://www.detroithistorical.org/exhibits/index.asp ) has a lot of information about car ferries on the Great Lakes and rivers. Also, information about the car ferries can be found in books and at other sites such as: http://www.carferries.com/ . My favorite is the Chief Wawatam that worked the Straits of Mackinac until 1984. Sadly, a model of that ship would be about 5 feet long in S-Scale. Also sadly, the Chief has been converted to a storage barge and it is no longer possible to see it smoking up the Straits. Too bad there was no successful preservation effort for it. There are a couple of pictures of the Chief Wawatam on eBay right now. There are other ferries that worked the rivers and smaller lakes (Lake Champlain in NY is notable as is the Hudson River) . Some of the currently operating, small ferries could be modified for RR use and would fit a home layout. In fact, practically anything that floats could be adapted to RR car ferry service. Many of the ferries that worked in and around Detroit were side wheelers. There is no theoretical reason a stern wheel ferry could not work. Even if there are no tracks on the ship, the dock and ferry boat are excellent subjects for industries. A lot of passengers would transfer between ferry and passenger cars for a cruise or to traverse an aquatic obstacle. I for one would welcome information about industries other than the brewery or furniture factory we see on 95% of the layouts on which so much effort is spent. I regularly delete posts about SIT (in which I have no interest) and not once has pressing that key raised my blood pressure. David, if you have plans or pictures of a handsome and unusual industry such as a riverboat, I would be delighted to see them. Reply from Bill Porter Recent Activity a.. 9New Members b.. 6New Photos c.. 8New Files Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. Best of Y! Groups Check out the best of what Yahoo! Groups has to offer. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47760	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: 312 motor rebuild question:

It's not an oil slinger, it's a spacer (shim) and you must have it in place for the motor to run right-John marganski --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47761	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Layout Feature Planning - Delta Queen with S train

I have no interest in doing the work to add the Delta Queen to my layout but for those who do it could really look nice. I have been fortunate enough to see the Delta Queen several times up close and cannot understand why anyone would be opposed to allowing it to continue. Once I was skiing with some friends in a small boat on Kentucky Lake and we saw the Delta Queen coming down the river. This was about halfway between Kenlake State Park and Kentucky Dam in Western Kentucky. We immediately stopped skiing and raced toward the Delta Queen. We stayed in close proximity for about an hour. It was so beautiful as it churned downstream toward Kentucky Dam. That was a long time ago, maybe 45 years or so. I have also seen many trains passing over Kentucky Dam, and even have a very short 8mm film (maybe 5 seconds) of an IC steam locomotive pulling a freight over the dam. The film was made from a fishing boat in 1957. I have also seen the Delta Queen in downtown Nashville near the ex-L&N bridge over the Cumberland River. Louisville would make another good scene for modeling trains with the Delta Queen. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN In a message dated 3/2/2008 11:26:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, djdewey@... writes: HI all, My Save the Delta Queen post upset a few here, for which I am sorry (although the title told them ahead of time that it wasn't S related so they could delete it). BUT the responses did give me a GREAT idea for my layout that I hadn't though about--A river scene with a steamboat in it!! I took many pictures while riding the DQ of railroads near the river, even had to wait for a train to clear a lift bridge before we could continue. (That was cool, we could see the bridge coming up, and heard the train whistle, so some of us aboard knew instantly that there would be a delay in our speedy 8 mph progress on the river). Hmm I'm gonna need a bigger room, or use selective compression-My Save the Delta Queen post upset a few here, for which I am sorry (although the title told them ahead of time that it wasn't S related so they could delete it). BUT the responses did give me a GREAT idea for my layout that I hadn't though about--A river scene with a steamboat in it!! I took many pictures while riding th S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47762	From: michael prell	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm

Hey, Carl, thanks for the reply. I'm a bit new at this chat room stuff. The reason for my being in different rooms was because I wasn't clear as to how to locate S-Chat. So, what you're saying is that the main or default chat is the one I wanted? What made it confusing for me was that I couldn't identify it as the S-Chat. What am I missing. Anyway, between now and next Sunday I hope to correct my mistake. Thanks for your help. Mike, "LogLoader" Prell Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: We saw you there Sunday . Your login was LogLoader1 I believe. You were in the main (Default) chat for a bit and then you popped into a couple of others new chat rooms you apparently created yourself? So you did get registered ok but apparently did not see other users in the Main Default room?? Sorry you had trouble. It may be a browser/firewall issue if you did not see others there. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of michael prell Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm How does one log in once registered? Is there a secret handshake ? Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47763	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm

Mike, The default room is where it is at. The group was small last night. Don't be shy, jump in and say hello. It's a nice bunch of guys and gals. No other rooms are active only the default room. If you are having trouble next Sunday drop me an Email during chat. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michael prell Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm Hey, Carl, thanks for the reply. I'm a bit new at this chat room stuff. The reason for my being in different rooms was because I wasn't clear as to how to locate S-Chat. So, what you're saying is that the main or default chat is the one I wanted? What made it confusing for me was that I couldn't identify it as the S-Chat. What am I missing. Anyway, between now and next Sunday I hope to correct my mistake. Thanks for your help. Mike, "LogLoader" Prell Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: We saw you there Sunday . Your login was LogLoader1 I believe. You were in the main (Default) chat for a bit and then you popped into a couple of others new chat rooms you apparently created yourself? So you did get registered ok but apparently did not see other users in the Main Default room?? Sorry you had trouble. It may be a browser/firewall issue if you did not see others there. carl@... Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of michael prell Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm How does one log in once registered? Is there a secret handshake ? Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47764	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert

We now have photos posted for Back Alley 4, a 6 story structure for along the back wall. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/354alley4.htm The big news is that we have teamed up with AL Leite's great kit building service. He is building our kits under our watchfull eye. So if you want to save cunstruction time, give AL a call. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/als-building.htm Happy Railroading, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47765	From: petersbob55	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: AF Water tower #772

I have a AF 772 type 5 water tower and I need to replace the "bubbling tube". Does anyone know what the "stuff" was inside the tube. It was some sort of liquid solvent with a solid material on the bottom. When the light bulb heated the mixture up it would bubble. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance. This is my first post but I have been monitoring this site for a while and find a lot of useful info here. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47766	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772

Long time ago I remember a reference to methyl chloride. should be the same as Xmas bubble lights now. I am guessing the stuff in the bottom of the tube is either some contaminent or was a bubbling assistant like boiling beads in chemistry class. Bill Drake Virginia --- petersbob55 <petersbob55@...> wrote: > I have a AF 772 type 5 water tower and I need to > replace the "bubbling > tube". Does anyone know what the "stuff" was inside > the tube. It was > some sort of liquid solvent with a solid material on > the bottom. When > the light bulb heated the mixture up it would > bubble. Any help would > be great. Thanks in advance. > This is my first post but I have been monitoring > this site for a while > and find a lot of useful info here. > > Bob > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47767	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772

Bob the tubes contained little glass beads to help with the bubbling effect ..it is Not residue or any kind of contaminate..do not dispose of them ...if yu are rebuilding the tube ...I have myself repaired these tubes --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "petersbob55" <petersbob55@...> wrote: > > I have a AF 772 type 5 water tower and I need to replace the "bubbling > tube". Does anyone know what the "stuff" was inside the tube. It was > some sort of liquid solvent with a solid material on the bottom. When > the light bulb heated the mixture up it would bubble. Any help would > be great. Thanks in advance. > This is my first post but I have been monitoring this site for a while > and find a lot of useful info here. > > Bob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47768	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772

Bob, Port Lines Hobby has the bubbler tube replacements for these. Depending on which one (and color) you want they are between $18 and $25. A little pricey but you can count on them working. Tim On 3/3/08, petersbob55 <petersbob55@...> wrote: > > I have a AF 772 type 5 water tower and I need to replace the "bubbling > tube". Does anyone know what the "stuff" was inside the tube. It was > some sort of liquid solvent with a solid material on the bottom. When > the light bulb heated the mixture up it would bubble. Any help would > be great. Thanks in advance. > This is my first post but I have been monitoring this site for a while > and find a lot of useful info here. > > Bob > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47769	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772

Sorry - memory not quite working right. Chemical in the tubes was methylene chloride. It is related to chloroform and should be handled very carefully as it can produce nerve defects and a number of other problems. I would caution against attempting to repair without special equipment and ventilation. Bill Drake --- petersbob55 <petersbob55@...> wrote: > I have a AF 772 type 5 water tower and I need to > replace the "bubbling > tube". Does anyone know what the "stuff" was inside > the tube. It was > some sort of liquid solvent with a solid material on > the bottom. When > the light bulb heated the mixture up it would > bubble. Any help would > be great. Thanks in advance. > This is my first post but I have been monitoring > this site for a while > and find a lot of useful info here. > > Bob > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47770	From: jim_marski	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors

I don't often post, but I have long thought that my layout should have a Hell Gate bridge as it was a New Haven RR bridge, and, as we know many Flyer items are made from New Haven prototypes. Last month I purchased an original Lionel standard gauge 300 Hell Gate bridge from a gentleman who played with it as a child. I completely disassembled it, stripped it and repainted it- in PREWAR AMERICAN FLYER COLORS. If you are interested you can see it in my album- http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/fb64 Let's play trains- Jim Marski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47771	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas

----- Original Message ----- From: <schwartzsj@...> > Go into the www.atlasrr.com and then . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > ----------Response----------- I had a look at the Industrial Rail stuff at http://www.atlaso.com/industrialrail.htm and a lot of it looks like it has potential. But until you can really see it in hand, you can't tell if it's right on for S, as the ATSF caboose was, or like so much O-27 product, off in some major way. Frequently Lionel and MTH O-27 cars are about right in height and length, but too wide to fit a proper S outline. Some of the Industrial Rail cars I've seen are that way too. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47772	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors

The Hells Gate Bridge is operated by The New York Connecting Rail Road not the NH. jim_marski <jim_marski@...> wrote: I don't often post, but I have long thought that my layout should have a Hell Gate bridge as it was a New Haven RR bridge, and, as we know many Flyer items are made from New Haven prototypes. Last month I purchased an original Lionel standard gauge 300 Hell Gate bridge from a gentleman who played with it as a child. I completely disassembled it, stripped it and repainted it- in PREWAR AMERICAN FLYER COLORS. If you are interested you can see it in my album- http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/fb64 Let's play trains- Jim Marski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47773	From: jim_marski	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors

NYCR was jointly owned by the New Haven and the Pennsylvania RR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: > > The Hells Gate Bridge is operated by The New York Connecting Rail Road not the NH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47774	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772

Years ago I bought a replacement from some supplier at York. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Drake Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Water tower #772 Sorry - memory not quite working right. Chemical in the tubes was methylene chloride. It is related to chloroform and should be handled very carefully as it can produce nerve defects and a number of other problems. I would caution against attempting to repair without special equipment and ventilation. Bill Drake --- petersbob55 <petersbob55@ <mailto:petersbob55%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: > I have a AF 772 type 5 water tower and I need to > replace the "bubbling > tube". Does anyone know what the "stuff" was inside > the tube. It was > some sort of liquid solvent with a solid material on > the bottom. When > the light bulb heated the mixture up it would > bubble. Any help would > be great. Thanks in advance. > This is my first post but I have been monitoring > this site for a while > and find a lot of useful info here. > > Bob > > __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. <http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ> yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47775	From: James Hannawald	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors

Jim The Bridge looks real good Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: jim_marski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors I don't often post, but I have long thought that my layout should have a Hell Gate bridge as it was a New Haven RR bridge, and, as we know many Flyer items are made from New Haven prototypes. Last month I purchased an original Lionel standard gauge 300 Hell Gate bridge from a gentleman who played with it as a child. I completely disassembled it, stripped it and repainted it- in PREWAR AMERICAN FLYER COLORS. If you are interested you can see it in my album- http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/fb64 Let's play trains- Jim Marski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47776	From: beebear	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Atlas and S guage??

For those of you interested in possibly getting Atlas to enter into the S gauge model railroad arena might want to send a note to the gentleman below. Maybe if we as a group show enough interest they may be willing to "test the waters" with an S gauge piece. It can't hurt to at least ask. I have sent several emails to Atlas inquiring about the subject. If more of us write that might peak their interest. It's worth a shot. Jim Weaver, R&D & Product Questions jweaver@... John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47777	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Fw: [The Washington Senators] David Gough

I have one of these books. $200 for a paperback on the Washington Senators? Hee Hee. I also have a paper back on "How To Breed Angelfish" that went for 150 on ebay once. I did not know that buying books could be so lucrative when they cost 4.95 to 19.95!! So load up on train books, like the old Greenberg AF hardbacks going for 150 to 250 on ebay!!!! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: archandkathy@... To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [The Washington Senators] David Gough I believe David still lives in Alexandria, but could be wrong. Try the phone book. I am sure you could buy it directly from him as I did with his auto.but that was in 1998.. His book was more of a statistical summary of the players of 1960 although the narative of memerable events during the course of the season was quite good. The book, "They Stolen Our Team was a paper back and was readily available so $200 on eBay is way off-line. Arch -------------- Original message from Lawrence Irwin <katycdc@...>: -------------- Dear jkrpn@... Thanks for the mini book review! Speaking of books, is the David Gough book on the last original Washington Senators good? It is only available from used dealers on-line for $200.00! Thanks. L. Irwin --- jkrpn@... wrote: > I remember seeing Curt Flood in the line up on > opening day 1971. The Senators beat Vida Blue and > the Oakland A's 8-0..... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> > To: Washington Senators > <thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 7:24 pm > Subject: [The Washington Senators] Curt Flood > > > > > > > I just finished reading a book about Curt Flood, "A > Well Paid Slave" by Brad Snyder. This book came out > in 2007. > > The book is mainly about his reasons to sue baseball > and his trail. > > As most of you know on the Washington Senators > group, Curt was traded from St. Louis to > Philadelphia without his knowledge at the end of > 1969. He was making 90,000 a year for the Cardinals, > which was one of the highest salaries at that time > in baseball. He learned of his trade through a > reporter first, not through the clubs. Curt was not > happy about this trade, as ballplayers had no rights > in how they where treated in trades. So he sued > baseball to fight for free agency, a unheard thing > then. > > He met with Marvin Miller who head the MLB union and > Miller tried to talk him out of this, as he told > Curt they had very little chance of winning and how > it could effect his career. He wanted to go on. > > Like they knew, it ended up in the Supreme Court > where they lost. It was Curt who called himself a > well paid slave, not to be a racial issue, but as a > baseball player issue. Also, back then, the team > could lower a salary for no reason by 20% for the > next year. Philadelphia did offer Curt $110,000 but > he did not want to leave St. Louis and he wanted a > say in any trade. > > Sadly, the lawyer he had, Arthur Goldberg was former > Supreme Court Justice himself and was totally > unprepared for the trail. No player testified for > Curt or could even come to the trail to show > support, which hurt him greatly. Only Joe Garagiola > testified against him. That hurt Curt badly. > Garagiola did apologized to Flood later in life. > > Being a 15 yr old when Flood signed with the > Senators I have no real clue what the trial etc. As > we know Robert Short was able to sign Flood to play > baseball in 1971 for the Washington Senators as he > did sit out the 1970 season. The case went to the > Supreme Court in the Spring of 1971. Since he sat > out for a year, him going back to baseball to play > did not hurt the case by being closed. Short signed > him to a 100,000 contract. > > Those who remember Flood playing in 1971, where > ecstatic, mostly and shocked when he left the club > in the spring to take off for NYC to flight to > Spain. Flood had a terrible Spring training and the > season was not going well. Ted Williams was > completely against having Flood on the team. > > Flood was completely out of shape when he came back > to baseball. Once he left the Cardinals, he drank > allot and did not much of anything. He owned a > portrait business. But all of the portraits he > painted where painted by someone else. He had a > portrait of Martin Luther King Jr done for the > family, I think it was. He even had one for Joe > Morgan of the Reds/Phillies now ESPN announcer. He > would sign the paintings. His business was failing > and he owed allot of money to the IRS, so they where > after him. > > He was pretty much a loner on the Senators only > having one person Elliott Maddox trying to get him > off the alcohol which did not work. > > Howard Cosell was pretty much his only friend in > life during a rough time for him. > > Finally Flood turned his life around in about 1985. > But he developed cancer and died in 1997. > > He scarified his career so that others could benefit > someday in not being tied to a owner of a team. He > knew this would happen, that his career would be > over, but he thought that the MLB union could help > him with a job in the union. That never happened. > > Today, many new ballplayers do not know who Curt > Flood is, as the older players in management or > coaching tell them his story. > > I now understand a bit better of what was going in > his life when he disappear from the Senators. You > have to feel for him, as he put his career on the > line and he lost everything. Image if you did that. > > A very good book, as I just finished a book before > that on Roberto Clemente. Not a Washington Senator, > but it goes into great detail on how he got involved > with the airlifting of food to Nicaragua. That death > should of never have happen, due to a greedy > government, stealing food for the needy and no > regulation for small airplanes. > > Hope to see some of you at the new ballpark this > year! > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47778	From: alansherryb	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors

Nice job on the Hellgate Bridge restoration, Jim. I, too, liked the idea of a Hellgate Bridge on my tiny American Flyer S gauge layout still in the planning stages, and it has always been one of my wife's favorite accessories. She talked me into buying a fairly clean and straight MTH Tinplate Traditions version in cream and green at the TTOS convention in Altoona last year, so now I have one to try to incorporate into a layout. I saw a Hellgate repro used as a lift bridge/gate to get into and out of a modular layout at the TTOS convention in Costa Mesa which I thought was a clever use for one of those monsters. By the way, Jim, are you running Pre-war or Post-war AF. Either way, keep up the good work. Cheers, Alan Bennett Keizer, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jim_marski" <jim_marski@...> wrote: > > I don't often post, but I have long thought that my layout should have > a Hell Gate bridge as it was a New Haven RR bridge, and, as we know > many Flyer items are made from New Haven prototypes. Last month I > purchased an original Lionel standard gauge 300 Hell Gate bridge from > a gentleman who played with it as a child. I completely disassembled > it, stripped it and repainted it- in PREWAR AMERICAN FLYER COLORS. If > you are interested you can see it in my album- > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/fb64 > Let's play trains- Jim Marski >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47779	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772

Bill Drake wrote: > > > Sorry - memory not quite working right. Chemical in > the tubes was methylene chloride. It is related to > chloroform and should be handled very carefully as it > can produce nerve defects and a number of other > problems. > Here's some info from wikipedia on bubble lights and it mentions NOMA as well. NOMA made a talking station that was more "O" scale than S but was used by many American Flyer enthusiasts as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_light I had a NOMA talking station on my layout as a kid and have two of them now. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47780	From: John Degnan	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??

I have sent a number of e-mails to Atlas' HO division guys over the last 3 years trying to urge them to get in the S game. Its all Atlas... and since S is supposedly "in the middle" between HO and O, maybe contacting them couldn't hurt. Here is the contact info I have for them : Customer Service : csdept@... John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "beebear" <beebear@...> To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage?? > For those of you interested in possibly getting Atlas to enter into the S gauge model railroad arena > might want to send a note to the gentleman below. Maybe if we as a group show enough interest > they may be willing to "test the waters" with an S gauge piece. It can't hurt to at least ask. I have > sent several emails to Atlas inquiring about the subject. If more of us write that might peak their > interest. It's worth a shot. > Jim Weaver, R&D & Product Questions jweaver@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47781	From: jim_marski	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors

Sold all my prewar last year, so I'm exclusively postwar S- Let's me double track the bridge too --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "alansherryb" <alansherry@...> wrote: > > Nice job on the Hellgate Bridge restoration, Jim. > > By the way, Jim, are you running Pre-war or Post-war AF. Either way, > keep up the good work. > > Cheers, > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47782	From: trobicha	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: DCC Question

Yo: You asked a question about the hi-speed turnouts. Are you talking about the closed frog switches? If so, when I decided to do my layout I wanted to run both hi-rail and scale. At that time I was told to use close frog switches. One provider of closed frog switches was BK. I purchase 2 of them tried to install them as a test, my opinion at that time was that it wasn't real simple. I have a friend that has built those switches for our club so I asked him to show me how to build one. I found that building them from scratch was easier then installing one that was already semi-built (again that is my opinion). The best part was that it was MUCH cheaper. I now have 55 closed frog switches on my layout and wrote an article on how to build close frog switches. You can find the write up on the Bristol Club Web site http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/Projects/Projects.html I run Digitrax as well as Lenz DCC system (can switch between the 2). I use tortoise switch motors to drive and power the switches. Tommy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainnut2us" <trainnut2us@...> wrote: > > Has any one had expirence with using BK Hi Speed turnouts with DCC?? > This turnout is the one that allows a person to run HiRail or Scale on > same layout. > Thanks, > Jim Siverling >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47783	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Down load and rescale a free Haunted Mansion

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47784	From: michael prell	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm

Carl You've been most helpful. Thanks! Hope to talk with you (s) S-unday night! Mike Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: Mike, The default room is where it is at. The group was small last night. Don't be shy, jump in and say hello. It's a nice bunch of guys and gals. No other rooms are active only the default room. If you are having trouble next Sunday drop me an Email during chat. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michael prell Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm Hey, Carl, thanks for the reply. I'm a bit new at this chat room stuff. The reason for my being in different rooms was because I wasn't clear as to how to locate S-Chat. So, what you're saying is that the main or default chat is the one I wanted? What made it confusing for me was that I couldn't identify it as the S-Chat. What am I missing. Anyway, between now and next Sunday I hope to correct my mistake. Thanks for your help. Mike, "LogLoader" Prell Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: We saw you there Sunday . Your login was LogLoader1 I believe. You were in the main (Default) chat for a bit and then you popped into a couple of others new chat rooms you apparently created yourself? So you did get registered ok but apparently did not see other users in the Main Default room?? Sorry you had trouble. It may be a browser/firewall issue if you did not see others there. carl@... Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of michael prell Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2008, 8:00 pm How does one log in once registered? Is there a secret handshake ? Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47785	From: afjerryk5	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Atlas track

Atlas proposed S gauge snap track in 1957.I have a book called 150 Years of Train Models by Carsterns.On page 48 there's a photo taken at the 1957 HIAA trade show.A New Haven EP5 set is running on a loop of this track,price,39 cents a section.Caption says item was neve released due to lack of buyer interest.Right product,wrong time. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47786	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??

I am curious with what you all what Atlas to make. I would think with American Models (track, engines, rolling stock) Classic trains, wonder Atlas type track, S Helper which has the same as AM, and the other makers of items, which includes Lionel, what does Atlas bring to the market place for S that is not already covered. I am not saying that there is not room for another maker of product, but I see many makers already out there. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: beebear To: S-group Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage?? For those of you interested in possibly getting Atlas to enter into the S gauge model railroad arena might want to send a note to the gentleman below. Maybe if we as a group show enough interest they may be willing to "test the waters" with an S gauge piece. It can't hurt to at least ask. I have sent several emails to Atlas inquiring about the subject. If more of us write that might peak their interest. It's worth a shot. Jim Weaver, R&D & Product Questions jweaver@... John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47787	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage??

Also, if there is something that you are looking for as a group, would it not make sense to talk to some of the S Manufacturers, like a S Helper about making it. Again, just a suggestion. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage?? I am curious with what you all what Atlas to make. I would think with American Models (track, engines, rolling stock) Classic trains, wonder Atlas type track, S Helper which has the same as AM, and the other makers of items, which includes Lionel, what does Atlas bring to the market place for S that is not already covered. I am not saying that there is not room for another maker of product, but I see many makers already out there. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: beebear To: S-group Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage?? For those of you interested in possibly getting Atlas to enter into the S gauge model railroad arena might want to send a note to the gentleman below. Maybe if we as a group show enough interest they may be willing to "test the waters" with an S gauge piece. It can't hurt to at least ask. I have sent several emails to Atlas inquiring about the subject. If more of us write that might peak their interest. It's worth a shot. Jim Weaver, R&D & Product Questions jweaver@... John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47788	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Down load and rescale a free Haunted Mansion

Very cool! Wish I had a place for it! Bill Winans ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES SLEETH To: s trains list ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Down load and rescale a free Haunted Mansion http://www.haunteddimensions.raykeim.com/index412.html Jim Sleeth --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47789	From: Bob Anson	Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Down load and rescale a free Haunted Mansion

i followed some of the links and some fellow was making trucks and construction equipment from paper...wow, nice work. Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> wrote: Very cool! Wish I had a place for it! Bill Winans ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES SLEETH To: s trains list ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Down load and rescale a free Haunted Mansion http://www.haunteddimensions.raykeim.com/index412.html Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47790	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: What do we need in S?

Mike makes a good point. Just what do we need in S gauge? What could a new manufacturer make that would allow them to sell a lot of an item and get a foothold in the scale? Certainly not track! Like O gauge, there are too many different brands of track now, and few are compatable with each other. (Track is Atlas staple product.) What types of rolling stock aren't already made that would be in high demand? I don't mean road names, I mean new tooling. While you may not be able to get the road name you want, or the availibility you want, many car types are made now. What locomotives do we need? Again, this would be a new item, not just new road names. Structures? Accessories? We have a pretty good supply, althogh we desperately need something easier and cheaper than craftsman kits, but better quality than Plasticville. Before we go off half cocked, just what could a new manufacturer provide that would give them a start in our scale? Okay gang, put on your thinking caps and let's hear from you. But be realistic, asking for a dozen odd types of steam locomotives isn't going to happen! Stumpy Stone...stirring the pot yet again!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47791	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??

I'm not really sure what Mike is trying to say here, but I do agree with his last paragraph. There are not that many of us in S, so I too feel we should support the manufactures we already have. They have risked much to supply us with finely detailed, reasonably priced , except for Lionel rolling stock, products. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I am curious with what you all what Atlas to make. > > I would think with American Models (track, engines, rolling stock) Classic trains, wonder Atlas type track, S Helper which has the same as AM, and the other makers of items, which includes Lionel, what does Atlas bring to the market place for S that is not already covered. > > I am not saying that there is not room for another maker of product, but I see many makers already out there. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: beebear > To: S-group > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:59 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage?? > > > For those of you interested in possibly getting Atlas to enter into the S gauge model railroad arena > might want to send a note to the gentleman below. Maybe if we as a group show enough interest > they may be willing to "test the waters" with an S gauge piece. It can't hurt to at least ask. I have > sent several emails to Atlas inquiring about the subject. If more of us write that might peak their > interest. It's worth a shot. > > Jim Weaver, R&D & Product Questions jweaver@... > > John Frankforther > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47792	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Having opened this can of worms, I'll take a shot at it. As I said before, we need some buildings which are of better quality and appearance than Plasticville, yet easy enough to assemble that the average or less than average guy can put them together. They don't need to be cheap, but they can't be as costly as most craftsman kits. One of the first things I came to realize is that most of the folks in S are not model builders or mad kit bashers like I am. A lot of people at train shows look at even my crude stuff and say "I can't do that." Seems like an opening in the market to me! We also need many more good decals and dry transfers in S. Even those of common roadnames often aren't availible, so your only option is using HO or O scale decals. This leads to another area. What about undecorated rolling stock, so anyone who wants to do an odd roadname doesn't need to strip or repaint a new car to start with. And keep some of these in stock all the time. S Helper is testing these waters now. Stumpy Stone...with some ideas from Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47793	From: G C	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??

Mike, I for one would love to have the Atlas IR Atlantic in S. As I have said it is a dead ringer for the PRR E6 Atlantic. Yes, we have the original Flyer Atlantic, but that is Reading (I am quite fortunate to have the earlier and more realistic multi-piece version at that. The running gear is better looking on these.) Not taking away from Don or Ron's contributions, any new product will certainly add variety in my opinion. Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47795	From: Glenn	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Well Stumpy you know the old real estate saying "Location, Location, Location". With 1,500 of us on this list and 6,000 plus or minus buying S Gaugian magazine we don't come close to the 100,000s in HO or O paying millions to keep Bachman, Atlas, etc alive. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: What do we need in S? Having opened this can of worms, I'll take a shot at it. As I said before, we need some buildings which are of better quality and appearance than Plasticville, yet easy enough to assemble that the average or less than average guy can put them together. They don't need to be cheap, but they can't be as costly as most craftsman kits. One of the first things I came to realize is that most of the folks in S are not model builders or mad kit bashers like I am. A lot of people at train shows look at even my crude stuff and say "I can't do that." Seems like an opening in the market to me! We also need many more good decals and dry transfers in S. Even those of common roadnames often aren't availible, so your only option is using HO or O scale decals. This leads to another area. What about undecorated rolling stock, so anyone who wants to do an odd roadname doesn't need to strip or repaint a new car to start with. And keep some of these in stock all the time. S Helper is testing these waters now. Stumpy Stone...with some ideas from Appalachia. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47796	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage??

I spoke with Don Thompson about S Helper putting out a 90 degree crossover or a 45 degree crossover to match their fantastic track, he told me the initial cost is extensive and it is hard for a smaller company like his to do new products, but we don't need another 'SuperStore" coming in and closing down the "Mom and Pop" companies. Like Mike M states, we have Lionel AF, S Helper, American Models all ready, for houses and buildings therre are alot of HO items out there than can easily be modified. Jerry Matsick Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Also, if there is something that you are looking for as a group, would it not make sense to talk to some of the S Manufacturers, like a S Helper about making it. Again, just a suggestion. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage?? I am curious with what you all what Atlas to make. I would think with American Models (track, engines, rolling stock) Classic trains, wonder Atlas type track, S Helper which has the same as AM, and the other makers of items, which includes Lionel, what does Atlas bring to the market place for S that is not already covered. I am not saying that there is not room for another maker of product, but I see many makers already out there. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: beebear To: S-group Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage?? For those of you interested in possibly getting Atlas to enter into the S gauge model railroad arena might want to send a note to the gentleman below. Maybe if we as a group show enough interest they may be willing to "test the waters" with an S gauge piece. It can't hurt to at least ask. I have sent several emails to Atlas inquiring about the subject. If more of us write that might peak their interest. It's worth a shot. Jim Weaver, R&D & Product Questions jweaver@... John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47797	From: Bob Peters	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772

Thanks to all for responding to my question on the AF #772 tower. I knew I would get the right info from this group. It is interesting that such a chemical would be used in a "kids toy" back in our days! Thanks again. Bob (near Lake Placid, NY) ----- Original Message ---- From: petersbob55 <petersbob55@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 12:06:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Water tower #772 I have a AF 772 type 5 water tower and I need to replace the "bubbling tube". Does anyone know what the "stuff" was inside the tube. It was some sort of liquid solvent with a solid material on the bottom. When the light bulb heated the mixture up it would bubble. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance. This is my first post but I have been monitoring this site for a while and find a lot of useful info here. Bob <!-- #ygrp-mkp{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} #ygrp-mkp hr{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrp-mkp #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ygrp-mkp #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-mkp .ad{ padding:0 0;} #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ font-family:Arial;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:uppercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-right:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o{font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal{ margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq{margin:4;} --> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47798	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

How about a real S American 4-4-0? The Franklin & Washington are, well...toys. L's General was always a nicer looking loco. Flyer's HO Franklin looks better than the S version. With all the FY&PRR coaches out there, plus the potential for converting Bachmann ON coaches, this'd be a cutie. Maybe do the 999? - John Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47799	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: (no subject)

Mike Marmer wrote: <<I am curious with what you all what Atlas to make. << <<I would think with American Models (track, engines, rolling stock) Classic trains, <<wonder Atlas type track, S Helper which has the same <<as AM, and the other <<makers of items, which includes Lionel, what does Atlas bring to the market place <<for S that is not already covered. << <<I am not saying that there is not room for another maker of product, but I see many <<makers already out there. << <<Mike Marmer Oh, Mike, this is so easy. What is missing in S gauge are low cost starter sets and cars--the kinds that we need to get kids into S gauge. This is the market that K-Line was beginning to address when they left the market. I have asked Don repeatedly to introduce a cheaper line for kids. Parents look at his sets and get turned off by the details (which easily break off) and the price--2 things that really appeal to us. The Industrial Rail line of O27 (with its S scale caboose) was made for just this market in O gauge, which is why Atlas added it to their growing stable of pure O gauge offerings. We need something similar in S gauge: cars for less than $30 apiece. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47800	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Mike, > > I for one would love to have the Atlas IR Atlantic in S. As I have said it is a dead ringer for the PRR E6 Atlantic. Yes, we have the original Flyer Atlantic, but that is Reading (I am quite fortunate to have the earlier and more realistic multi-piece version at that. The running gear is better looking on these.) Not taking away from Don or Ron's contributions, any new product will certainly add variety in my opinion. > > Gene Cimino > Assuming it is close to 1/64, I would like the Atlas E6 Atlantic to be offered in S, too. It sure looks like a 1/64 model running on O gauge track (just like prewar AF). CTT reviewed the O gauge version in their February issue and commented that it is small for O. Does anyone know how long the engine and tender are? I'd like to estimate how close the Atlas model is to "S", but can't find a length measurement on the Atlas website. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47801	From: bw_hansen	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Hell's Gate Bridge

How long is the bridge from end to end? I have a doorway to span and currently have a lift bridge made from Erector parts but the HG bridge looks much nicer. Thanks. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47802	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Hell's Gate Bridge

This is from google The Hell Gate Bridge (originally the New York Connecting Railroad Bridge or The East River Arch Bridge) is a 1017-foot (310 m) steel arch railroad bridge ... bw_hansen <bwhanse1@...> wrote: How long is the bridge from end to end? I have a doorway to span and currently have a lift bridge made from Erector parts but the HG bridge looks much nicer. Thanks. Bruce --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47803	From: beebear	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??

I do agree with you Wayne but look what is coming out - Jeff Briggs is bringing out his S Speeder - Mine is on order..... I don't know who else offers one in S Tommy Robichaud is offering a converted Galloping Goose - Any one else offer one in S? How about a small Switcher like the one Don Munsey built from Bachmann parts? I know Putt Trains sells a small boxy one ... not quite what I was looking for. I could use a couple of them. I'm in the process of building one from a chopped Baldwin but still a little too tall. Granted these are all specialty products and may not be a big production item..... but they are different. Before I get bombarded .... YES I understand there has to be a market for a specific item before a company would want to build it. I do purchase from S Helper, American Models, Des Plains Hobbies and a few others but they don't always have what I'm looking for. I have purchased S Helper ore cars and Hoppers, SD-60's from AM and Husky Stack loads from Des Plains all different companies selling different products. There must be a growing market for S products or these companies wouldn't be in business. Just my thoughts John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Atlas and S guage?? > I'm not really sure what Mike is trying to say here, but I do agree > with his last paragraph. There are not that many of us in S, so I > too feel we should support the manufactures we already have. They > have risked much to supply us with finely detailed, reasonably > priced , except for Lionel rolling stock, products. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: >> >> I am curious with what you all what Atlas to make. >> >> I would think with American Models (track, engines, rolling stock) > Classic trains, wonder Atlas type track, S Helper which has the same > as AM, and the other makers of items, which includes Lionel, what > does Atlas bring to the market place for S that is not already > covered. >> >> I am not saying that there is not room for another maker of > product, but I see many makers already out there. >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47804	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas and S guage??

All good answers, as I am just becoming a operator. I appreciate knowing of the other needs. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: srgriggs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Atlas and S guage?? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Mike, > > I for one would love to have the Atlas IR Atlantic in S. As I have said it is a dead ringer for the PRR E6 Atlantic. Yes, we have the original Flyer Atlantic, but that is Reading (I am quite fortunate to have the earlier and more realistic multi-piece version at that. The running gear is better looking on these.) Not taking away from Don or Ron's contributions, any new product will certainly add variety in my opinion. > > Gene Cimino > Assuming it is close to 1/64, I would like the Atlas E6 Atlantic to be offered in S, too. It sure looks like a 1/64 model running on O gauge track (just like prewar AF). CTT reviewed the O gauge version in their February issue and commented that it is small for O. Does anyone know how long the engine and tender are? I'd like to estimate how close the Atlas model is to "S", but can't find a length measurement on the Atlas website. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47805	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772

When we were kids we had parents, uncles, aunts, siblings and grand- parents to teach us not to do stupid things like drink the chemicals in our toys. Most kids today have one part-time parent at best. So they drink the chemicals, go to a clinic, the clinic calls the lawyer (and gets a finders fee no doubt), the lawyer contacts the part-time parent and off they go to court to sue everyone they can imagine. Did the kid learn not to drink chemicals? No - he learned to get free money for doing something stupid and so the cycle begins. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bob Peters <petersbob55@...> wrote: > > It is interesting that such a chemical would be used in a "kids toy" back in our days! > > Bob (near Lake Placid, NY) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47807	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: What we need

Good morning to some and afternoon to others, I totally agree with Joe, about what we need.....the cheap starter sets and cheap cars....get them out into the market place and have them discounted some more and then we can zap them up and squirrel them away before someone else has a chance to squirrel them away.. At least in S we are very fortunate not to have two or three totally different sizes of equipment, to wit: O ...it is as bad a G, where you have track and 3 or so scales operating on that track... Atlas is doing a fantastic job with their catalog....and the pre order information...our problem is that we don't know about being able to use the item until it hits the market place to see exactly what size it really is. That Atlantic of theirs does look nice and the price is fine too.....someone said they were waiting on the ore cars....really calling those and SHS's ore cars is really doing an unjustice to the SHS Cars......the log cars maybe...you just need to get those trucks off of them and in another room somewhere....perhaps those wooden ore jimmies and their trucks need to go in the other room somewhere...... And as Stumpy said: Buildings.....now with that you really have to be careful...there are several really nice looking houses and buildings out there from MTH and several others, but if you start using them and then try to use a S scale building...it can look way undersized same goes with vehicles tending to enlarge a few vehicles makes the other 1/64 vehicles look too small....This size choice on building has to be on a person to person basis cause once you begin you can't change back and forth very easy unless you are using forced compression toward a back drop....like you can't take a MTH house and put it on the same stree next to a BTS two story house...you have a better chance with industrial building where the change in size of windows is not so apparent....doors you might have to work on. I think we should support the manufacturers that got us here. We are in a condition right now we can't consume what is on the market now..so if you add a fifth or sixth manufacturer that still can't make a profit from what he sells...the mess is just worse and everyone fairs for the worse....not the better. Decals and dry transfers......we are on the trailing end of CDS wanting to stop production, Des Plaines has theirs and the MicroScale line....we have Oddballs that will make S decals for a world of stuff....We have lost a lot of decal makers in the past for sure, Enhorning, Champ, Walp, Herald King that did stuff for us and G&W, Train Stuff, and others.....and the flip side is we have access to a world of decals and transfers.....but then today who is using them...????? Some folks are scared to death to paint a $40 car or try to put decals on it....or have to spend the time to do it...much easier to get it pre painted and lettered..... gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47808	From: G C	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)

I can put all this another way: We need something like K Line, but to scale? Around the time they got in trouble with "lionel", notice the small L!, I was buying cars for under $20.00. Too bad, the box cars are too big, cause they sure roll nice and look great! Then you could repaint and decal them without having thoughts of messing up that $40.00 car. The idea of having "ready to wreck" fo kids at a lower price sure fits the bill as well! For starters, I'm going to buy the IR caboose, repaint it for my railroad, and rip the K-Line trucks off of one of my bokcars and move on. You see, I'm retired which means I'm also a bit financially retarded! Just the thoughts of an addicted kit basher! Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47809	From: G C	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Bill, the original flyer box car is actually based on the early version of the X29 is it not? Gene ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47810	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Hi Bill --- Many of the things you propose have already been done in brass, or old plastic, or will be done. How much of a market do you think there remains? (Serious question, not a sarcasm.) Personally, I think the SD40/45 stuff would be good, but I don't think there is enough market to cover the cost of the tooling and still get it out at less than the cost of brass. I think that what needs to be accomplished is something that will bring new folks to the hobby, not just fill someone's personal want. At this moment, I have no recommendations... Have fun! Bill Winans Diesels: EMD FT A/B Baldwin AS 16 Alco C-424 EMD SD-45 GE U30C Freight Cars: X-29 box car PRR H-21 hopper Northeastern Caboose B&O wagon top box car, covered hopper, caboose (I saw these as a kid) Passenger: Troop sleepers & converted versions Reading coach & combine Buildings: ??? my 2 cents.... Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47811	From: Grant	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF accessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors

The bridge looks great! How easy was it to change over the track? I have never seen one up close so I have no idea if there is track already mounted to the bridge or not Thanks! Grant --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: > > The Hells Gate Bridge is operated by The New York Connecting Rail Road not the NH. > > jim_marski <jim_marski@...> wrote: I don't often post, but I have long thought that my layout should have > a Hell Gate bridge as it was a New Haven RR bridge, and, as we know > many Flyer items are made from New Haven prototypes. Last month I > purchased an original Lionel standard gauge 300 Hell Gate bridge from > a gentleman who played with it as a child. I completely disassembled > it, stripped it and repainted it- in PREWAR AMERICAN FLYER COLORS. If > you are interested you can see it in my album- > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/fb64 > Let's play trains- Jim Marski > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47812	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Air Chime Whistle Hook-up

----- Original Message ----- From: charlie and edith To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:16 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Air Chime Whistle Hook-up Greetings! Have a 4x8 loop of track with two "blocked" sections each controlled by a toggle switch, and a spur, for changing trains. I would like to add the air chime whistle control this loop of track if possible, and still be able to change trains and use the whistle on this loop. Is it possible to wire the whistle control into this system? And, how would I do it? My thinking at the moment is to take the green wire from the control button and take two wires off this, one to each track clip-on. Then take the black wire from the transformer, add two wires, running each through a toggle switch and then to each of the track clip-ons. Would this be workable? Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in snow filled est Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47813	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: NASG Southern Pacific T,T.U.X. 6-48493

I will put it on E-bay if I don't get an offer from you guys. The G Gaugian just ran an article on converting an Lionel Crane Car to S. I just bought one last month to do the same. So do you have any ideas for trucks besides SouthWind Model trucks? It the model worth buying expensive trucks? Has any one cast AF 6 wheel truck? Would AM 6 wheel passenger truck work? Jim Sleeth .. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47814	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772

Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > > > When we were kids we had parents, uncles, aunts, siblings and grand- > parents to teach us not to do stupid things like drink the chemicals > in our toys. Bet you only stuck a Bobby pin in an electric outlet once! Nowadays, the parents "kid proof" the entire house rather than try to teach the kids right from wrong. I suspect that may be one reason the later Erector sets had battery powered motors rather than the electric ones. Too easy for a kid to get a finger in a gearbox or grab the prongs of the plug while plugging it in. Don't laugh, I did that ONCE when I was a kid and playing with an Erector set. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47815	From: roy inman	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)

How about close to scale length passenger cars? How about exact scale S couplers that are as easy to mount as SHS? How about auto carriers of the 1950's? -SP Daylight GS4. -ATSF Blue Goose. -Hellgate Bridge in S. -Bascule bridge in S. -REA equipment. -MR Hiawatha passenger set with Sky Top end car. Roy Inman From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:49:54 -0800 (PST) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] (unknown) <<I am curious with what you all what Atlas to make. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47816	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: AF Water tower #772

Remember when the Gilbert atomic energy sets actually included radioactive samples? Can you just imagine what would happen with a product like that in today's litigation crazed society? I'm proud to say that despite myself I never caused any explosions or major mayhem with any of my chemistry sets and when we did manage to injure ourselves as kids it was an object lesson in what not to do. Still counting all my fingers and toes! Bob H. George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > > > When we were kids we had parents, uncles, aunts, siblings and grand- > parents to teach us not to do stupid things like drink the chemicals > in our toys. Bet you only stuck a Bobby pin in an electric outlet once! Nowadays, the parents "kid proof" the entire house rather than try to teach the kids right from wrong. I suspect that may be one reason the later Erector sets had battery powered motors rather than the electric ones. Too easy for a kid to get a finger in a gearbox or grab the prongs of the plug while plugging it in. Don't laugh, I did that ONCE when I was a kid and playing with an Erector set. ;-) George Cohn --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47817	From: roy inman	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Hell's Gate Bridge

If you are speaking of the Lionel model(s), the reissue ones are just a smidge over 30" long. I have no information on the original SG Lionel bridges nor on neither the MTH steel or plastic versions. Roy Inman From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:28:38 -0800 (PST) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hell's Gate Bridge This is from google The Hell Gate Bridge (originally the New York Connecting Railroad Bridge or The East River Arch Bridge) is a 1017-foot (310 m) steel arch railroad bridge ... bw_hansen <bwhanse1@... <mailto:bwhanse1%40rockwellcollins.com> > wrote: How long is the bridge from end to end? I have a doorway to span and currently have a lift bridge made from Erector parts but the HG bridge looks much nicer. Thanks. Bruce --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47818	From: roy inman	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

While Bill's post makes perfect sense in one way, there is another viewpoint: Many of those brass items were done 10, 15, 20 years ago, and if a person can find one, "them there go high." Old plastic is not what today's operator/collector wants, IMHO. And my question is, if those engines were done some years back, and there was apparently enough demand even given the smaller demographics of the S community, why would not 2008 versions sell at least as good or better, since our numbers have increased during the time period.? Roy Inman From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:45:33 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: What do we need in S? Hi Bill --- Many of the things you propose have already been done in brass, or old plastic, or will be done. How much of a market do you think there remains? (Serious question, not a sarcasm.) Personally, I think the SD40/45 stuff would be good, but I don't think there is enough market to cover the cost of the tooling and still get it out at less than the cost of brass. I think that what needs to be accomplished is something that will bring new folks to the hobby, not just fill someone's personal want. At this moment, I have no recommendations... Have fun! Bill Winans Diesels: EMD FT A/B Baldwin AS 16 Alco C-424 EMD SD-45 GE U30C Freight Cars: X-29 box car PRR H-21 hopper Northeastern Caboose B&O wagon top box car, covered hopper, caboose (I saw these as a kid) Passenger: Troop sleepers & converted versions Reading coach & combine Buildings: ??? my 2 cents.... Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47819	From: ken garber	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: SHS crossovers

On 4 Mar 2008 20:57:45 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > 3a. Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage?? > Posted by: "Jerry Matsick" jpmatsick@... jpmatsick > Date: Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:29 am ((PST)) > > I spoke with Don Thompson about S Helper putting out a 90 degree crossover or a 45 degree crossover to match their fantastic track, he told me the initial cost > is extensive and it is hard for a smaller company like his to do new products, > > Jerry Matsick Whan all else fails, make your own. A few years ago I did a flat figure 8 and made my own 60 degree crossing from SHS trackage. May not have been the prettiest thing but the darn thing worked. Ken

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47820	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Just to add a few more to the wish list: Baby Trainmasters, Baldwin Centipedes, Baby Face Baldwins, Norfolk & Western Class J with matching pass. cars and some affordable mass produced Burlington Zephyrs. Bob H. roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: While Bill's post makes perfect sense in one way, there is another viewpoint: Many of those brass items were done 10, 15, 20 years ago, and if a person can find one, "them there go high." Old plastic is not what today's operator/collector wants, IMHO. And my question is, if those engines were done some years back, and there was apparently enough demand even given the smaller demographics of the S community, why would not 2008 versions sell at least as good or better, since our numbers have increased during the time period.? Roy Inman From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:45:33 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: What do we need in S? Hi Bill --- Many of the things you propose have already been done in brass, or old plastic, or will be done. How much of a market do you think there remains? (Serious question, not a sarcasm.) Personally, I think the SD40/45 stuff would be good, but I don't think there is enough market to cover the cost of the tooling and still get it out at less than the cost of brass. I think that what needs to be accomplished is something that will bring new folks to the hobby, not just fill someone's personal want. At this moment, I have no recommendations... Have fun! Bill Winans Diesels: EMD FT A/B Baldwin AS 16 Alco C-424 EMD SD-45 GE U30C Freight Cars: X-29 box car PRR H-21 hopper Northeastern Caboose B&O wagon top box car, covered hopper, caboose (I saw these as a kid) Passenger: Troop sleepers & converted versions Reading coach & combine Buildings: ??? my 2 cents.... Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47821	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: SHS 90 degree crossing

Dear Jerry, Hello from China. Today we take Ken Zieska on a tour of the factories. Tooling, decoration, assembly, etc. Then, back to Hong Kong this afternoon on the Turbo-Jet. These hi-speed ferries never made it in the US, but are loved out here. Tomorrow is the day from Hell. Off to the airport about 5 AM, on to my flight to Bangkok at 10 AM. A 12 hour layover until my flight to JFK at 1 AM the next day.... Yesterday topic number one was the #5 switch. When I last visited our builder three years ago, it was on the agenda too and a hand made sample promised. We now have new engineers and I hope to see one. But, the crossings are so dependent on the switch as their length is determined on the minimum track centers when our #5 is used as a crossover. We will not know that magic number until the handmade sample. We talked about the 90 degree crossing and they understand, that once the magic number is determined, we can start the tooling on the crossing. Best regards from China, Don -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Atlas and S guage?? Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 06:14:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com I spoke with Don Thompson about S Helper putting out a 90 degree crossover... Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47822	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: What do we need in S?

I agree with other posters that say we need starter sets for kids in a reasonable price range with a locomotive, a few cars, track, and transformer. MTH has kind of gotten on this with RailKing starter sets that pack a lot int of nice stuff into an O gauge set. They are still pricey. I gave my nephews (3 and 5) a starter layout for Christmas. They each got an AF 302 Atlantic, 640 hopper, 638 caboose, 8 B transformer, and a platform with a mountain, tunnels, waterfalls, bridges, track, etc. If someone tells me how, I can post pictures of it. They always like to see "Uncle Ben's" trains, so I thought they should have some of their own. We will add more rolling stock in years to come and some accessories/buildings. All will be postwar or reissued postwar. The point is, this would have been easier if AM or S-Helper, or even Lionel had a starter set for a reasonable cost, with NEW track, etc. I rebuilt both locos, one smoke unit, and cleaned/lubed all of the cars. Also rebuilt the switches and cleaned all the original AF track. While this is actually fun to me, if I had not been into S Gauge, neither would they be now. There is nothing reasonable on the market for their parents to buy them in S gauge. Plenty in HO or even O gauge, but not S. No matter, they are into S now, I had fun, and all worked out. But what about all the others who could easilly be exposed, but aren't? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47823	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: SHS crossovers

The crossings that American Models has can be made to work well with the SHS track. - Earl Henry In a message dated 3/4/2008 3:33:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, garber.ken@... writes: Whan all else fails, make your own. A few years ago I did a flat figure 8 and made my own 60 degree crossing from SHS trackage. May not have been the prettiest thing but the darn thing worked. Ken **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47824	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

We could use a few thousand more new customers to buy what is already out there......Fred In a message dated 3/4/2008 9:00:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gartrain404@... writes: Well Stumpy you know the old real estate saying "Location, Location, Location". With 1,500 of us on this list and 6,000 plus or minus buying S Gaugian magazine we don't come close to the 100,000s in HO or O paying millions to keep Bachman, Atlas, etc alive. Glenn **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47825	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: trucks for crane car

----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES SLEETH The [S] Gaugian just ran an article on converting an Lionel Crane Car to S. do you have any ideas for trucks. . . . . . .Would AM 6 wheel passenger truck work? > > > > > > > > > -----------Response---------- You might consider American Models three-axle steam tender trucks. I believe they are of the "commonwealth" type. They're not show as sold separately on the AM web-site, but I believe if you just ask, they will sell them. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan (And see - you are allowed to change the subject line when you reply to one of these messages. th)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47826	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

> **((How about a real S American 4-4-0)))** > Yes!! Or a nice 4-6-0 from the late 1800s or early 1900s. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47827	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Look at this delux Marx crane car. The crane looks vey good.

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/viewimage.x/00000000/onefarmboy/P1200315.jpg?vvid=34751760&allow_track_link=1&track=0239fb25c0-76e5c&sp=1&vsid=1&vgp=0&vimgs=P1200315.jpg,P1200316.jpg,P1200317.jpg,P1200318.jpg I was going to list a IC orange and black crane car on e-bay and then I found this deluxe Mark Crane car. My crane car is in great shape for a Marx collector. Has any one found a way to narrow the Marx depressed center flat car? Has any one detailed the Marx work Caboose? So I spent 20 years looking for a Marx 333 to convert to S. Then K-Line was going to convert it before they went out of business. So I found one. I was going to list it on e-bay, buy why give it away? It needs a valve gear peice on one side. So I tried to fit a AF power unit inside this big engine but it will not fit. I though I might run across a S scale steam frame. I have a Nord that needs repair. So has any one figured a way to power the 333 before I give up and list on e-bay? Jim Sleeth --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47828	From: Jim Grimes	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: What do we need in S?

How about some traction models. A presidential series trolley car with operating overhead would be nice. I would like to see some operating s scale cars and trucks for my streets and roads. These would be cool for any scale layout. just my $.02 Jim Grimes TCA# 97-45877 tsbikes@... PO Box 297 25238 Palamino Place Custer SD, 57730 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47829	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

In a message dated 3/4/2008 7:40:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, fredstrainparts@... writes: We could use a few thousand more new customers to buy what is already out there......Fred Right said, Fred!!! Jim Lyle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47830	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: NASG Southern Pacific T,T.U.X. 6-48493

How much are you trying to get? To: AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: aztecfan@...: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:52:20 -0800Subject: [S-Trains] NASG Southern Pacific T,T.U.X. 6-48493 I will put it on E-bay if I don't get an offer from you guys.The G Gaugian just ran an article on converting an Lionel Crane Car to S.I just bought one last month to do the same.So do you have any ideas for trucks besides SouthWind Model trucks? It the model worth buying expensive trucks?Has any one cast AF 6 wheel truck?Would AM 6 wheel passenger truck work?Jim Sleeth..---------------------------------Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47831	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47832	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE

What would a "GOOD PRICE" be for an entry level set for kid use? Say an Atlantic, 3 cars & caboose. A transformer & an oval of track w/at least 4 st. tracks Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47833	From: warren_chadbourne	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Maybe I'm the only one who lives up in the mountains of the Northwest where the timber harvest was king for many years, but I would love to have a Shea, Climax, or Heisler engine. Does anyone else want one of the old logging engines? To my knowledge none has ever been built for S Gauge.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47834	From: Gill W. Lott	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

In the spirit of St Gilbert, a Mag Lev would have been streaking around the Hall of Science 10 years ago!!! We would have had one on our layouts shortly afterwards. Today, I mean tomorrow, I would settle for an Acela. Some subway cars, just one would be nice!!! A powered MP54 & trailer (I know Bill Wade is working on one) a HHL, a EP-3,and a S-2 would satisfy the volts in me.. The diesel in me wants a Genesis and a GE 44 tonner. Four wheel & Six wheel power trucks (Black Beetles will do if I could find them) so that the S community can show their talents in building traction and other cars of inspiration. With a power truck I could convert four of my 662s into Budd RCDCs. Wouldn't a 663 look great at each end of the train, one pulling and the other following!!! Maybe NWSL can make an S Magic Carpet!!!! More people!!!! Arttista please shrink ½ of your O scale folk to S!!! With some sitting folk I could fill the new Palace Car seats and populate the many 650s I have!!!! A `Good Humor' truck and a milk truck seem to be the only things I can't find for the highways. If I may agree with Stumpy, some buildings between craftsman kits and Plasticville. Twin Whistle, Pine Canyon and others are now providing us with completed buildings but at a price. Yes, they deserve the price but I can't always afford them and everything else I want!!!! While many of you were discussing the virtues of the Big Boy, I sobbed for my lost year of research to build a Alco PA Freedom Train. There it sat in its glory beneath the Big Boy. Then to pour salt in the wound, Rich Dunlap's Gilbert `Radio' car is on the cover of S Gaugian! It is featured the page before Lionel's Freedom Train!!!! Ok, Ok he did show it in November 2006 at S Fest .. I should have known that someone else had already built the car. ps: Nice job sir!!!!! I guess my real need for my S gauge Girard Western Lines is more room, more time and more money!!!! Maybe my/our real need is to use the assets that are already available!!! Thank you to all of the companies and individuals who continue to work with us in S gauge!!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47835	From: Firewood	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Karl Bub S scale on Ebay?

Looks like some German S scale here: Item # 160211395910 Regards, Dave.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47836	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: What do we need in S ?

How about some more freight steam locomotives? Yes, we have L's Mikado - a nice loco. But a couple more would be nice to balance all the high wheelers that we have. Also, I agree with those that said some good Americans or 4-6-0's from the late 1800's would be great, especially if some better scaled coaches were included. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47837	From: joe wieckoski	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE

> EMAIL offline for a list a AMERICAN Flyer inventory for sale Jwieckoski@... > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47838	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Hi Roy and all -- I see that we have started the "great discussion" one more time. When I started in HO as a wee lad, Mantua had a few nice, small steam switcher kits which I built. If anything would be good for a beginner set, it would be an 0-4-0 or 0-4-0T such as a B&O or PRR A class loco. I think there would be quite a few of us already established folks that would jump on them, too. An industrial 0-4-0T would also be acceptible, but not as cool as a slope back tendered 0-4-0... (witness the lack of response to the Grandt S scale 0-4-0T). A long time back Atlas did the B&O 0-4-0 in N scale, so maybe it would be a relatively small jump for them to build one in S. I would like to see SHS do this, but their plate is already quite full, from what I understand. I think that Ron S. of DPH is sitting on molds for the X-29 boxcar made to current modeling standards. I believe that he is waiting for Bill Lane's version to sell out and for a space in the que in China to have them built. Still could be several years away, but ours is a scale of patience! Re: the PRR H21, I have two that I am willing to sell (SWM $250 ea plus ship), but BTS has them in kit form (in stock!) for quite a lot less. RRM has/had the B&O wagon top cars in their used section, not cheap, but worth every cent if you are into it enough to know the cars in the first place (you don't really want something that is "close", do you?). Besides, how much are you or your heirs going to get from a used plastic car when it comes time to sell -- subract those numbers from the price you pay to get a real feel for what they cost (brass vs. plastic). Considering how all our manufacturers/importers have several projects under developement that they are keeping close to the vest, who but they knows what might be just over the horizon? Any thoughts? Bill Winans While Bill's post makes perfect sense in one way, there is another viewpoint: Many of those brass items were done 10, 15, 20 years ago, and if a person can find one, "them there go high." Old plastic is not what today's operator/collector wants, IMHO. And my question is, if those engines were done some years back, and there was apparently enough demand even given the smaller demographics of the S community, why would not 2008 versions sell at least as good or better, since our numbers have increased during the time period.? Roy Inman Diesels: EMD FT A/B Baldwin AS 16 Alco C-424 EMD SD-45 GE U30C Freight Cars: X-29 box car PRR H-21 hopper Northeastern Caboose B&O wagon top box car, covered hopper, caboose (I saw these as a kid) Passenger: Troop sleepers & converted versions Reading coach & combine Buildings: ??? my 2 cents.... Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47839	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Gill and Friend"S", I agree about powereblocks! The On30 trolley powereblock is easily convertable to 1:64 scale and 7/8 gauge, using SHS diesel wheelsets, but a drop in power block would be greatly appreciated! BTW, this powerblock is already gauged for Sn42 - GBG!! Again, an example from the large scale world of a powerblock - available, inexpensive and reliable! Allows folks to construct their own critters with a single block. Using two blocks, first generation and later diesels, trolleys and even some types of geared steam locomotives. http://www.ridgeroadstation.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=25529351!255 I know the site currently says "backordered" - but in my experience with this vendor - this is a very short term situation. Now where did I put my flameproof suit! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gill W. Lott To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What do we need in S? In the spirit of St Gilbert, a Mag Lev would have been streaking around the Hall of Science 10 years ago!!! We would have had one on our layouts shortly afterwards. Four wheel & Six wheel power trucks (Black Beetles will do if I could find them) so that the S community can show their talents in building traction and other cars of inspiration. With a power truck I could convert four of my 662s into Budd RCDCs. Wouldn't a 663 look great at each end of the train, one pulling and the other following!!! Maybe NWSL can make an S Magic Carpet!!!! Recent Activity a.. 5New Members b.. 8New Photos c.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. Y! Groups blog the best source for the latest scoop on Groups. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47840	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE

My Friend"S", I offer these links to the starter set page offerings by two major suppliers of large scale trains (1:32 to 1:13 scale) as perhaps a discussion point for our 1:64 starter sets! http://www.ridgeroadstation.com/istar.asp?a=3&manufacturer=255&dept=trains&class=G&subclass=SETS or http://www.ridgeroadstation.com/istar.asp?a=3&manufacturer=117&dept=trains&class=G&subclass=SETS I believe that the starter set should be viewed like the 10-gal aquairum set-up offered in the tropical fish industry - a hook. I don't see this as deceptive - but - good marketing. Personally, I like the critter approach in the large scale starter kits by AristoCraft. Back into my hole to find my NOMEX suit! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE What would a "GOOD PRICE" be for an entry level set for kid use? Say an Atlantic, 3 cars & caboose. A transformer & an oval of track w/at least 4 st. tracks Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 Recent Activity a.. 5New Members b.. 8New Photos c.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Y! Groups blog the best source for the latest scoop on Groups. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47841	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: UPS Sucks

This morning at 5:30 am I went to get the newspaper, as I felt a heavy item at the door. It was a box, completely soaked, as we had heavy rain all night. I was a box of spray paint I ordered from Weavers in PA. The paint inside was fine, not wet at all. The box saved the product from being soaked, as that could of ruined the labels on the paint cans. No big deal you might say. I am expecting two S Helper Steam engines to come to me sometime and they use UPS. I could just image if it was the engines and they got soaked. I write this because the USPS uses plastic bags to put things in when they know it will be raining, especially if they make a delivery after 8 PM!!!! This rain was predicated for several days. Thank you UPS for keeping in touch with the weather as you throw packages on door steps and leave. Yes, they do know how to throw packages as one driver told when I had a 60 dollar vacuum part I ordered destroy by a UPS driver throwing the package. I had to order a new one, at the cost of Sears, as the driver told me this was okay. I think that attitude is totally sick, as that is what drives up the prices of product and now I had to wait for the replacement. I have had many incidents with UPS but never with the USPS. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47842	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: trucks for crane car

You might also consider original Gilbert crane car trucks. We have some, new old stock. Steve, SNS Trains Boise In a message dated 03/04/2008 5:40:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, t.hawley@... writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES SLEETH The [S] Gaugian just ran an article on converting an Lionel Crane Car to S. do you have any ideas for trucks. . . . . . .Would AM 6 wheel passenger truck work? > > > > > > > > > -----------Response---------- You might consider American Models three-axle steam tender trucks. I believe they are of the "commonwealth" type. They're not show as sold separately on the AM web-site, but I believe if you just ask, they will sell them. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan (And see - you are allowed to change the subject line when you reply to one of these messages. th) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47843	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Someone ask what we want Atlas to do in "S"? I think the Industrial Rail stuff, converted to "S", could do this. Most of the tooling they have. It would be sort of what K-Line was about to try, but I think more to scale. And, they have the distribution network to do it. And, if they sell well they could make more stuff jfred Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> wrote: I agree with other posters that say we need starter sets for kids in a reasonable price range with a locomotive, a few cars, track, and transformer. MTH has kind of gotten on this with RailKing starter sets that pack a lot int of nice stuff into an O gauge set. They are still pricey. I gave my nephews (3 and 5) a starter layout for Christmas. They each got an AF 302 Atlantic, 640 hopper, 638 caboose, 8 B transformer, and a platform with a mountain, tunnels, waterfalls, bridges, track, etc. If someone tells me how, I can post pictures of it. They always like to see "Uncle Ben's" trains, so I thought they should have some of their own. We will add more rolling stock in years to come and some accessories/buildings. All will be postwar or reissued postwar. The point is, this would have been easier if AM or S-Helper, or even Lionel had a starter set for a reasonable cost, with NEW track, etc. I rebuilt both locos, one smoke unit, and cleaned/lubed all of the cars. Also rebuilt the switches and cleaned all the original AF track. While this is actually fun to me, if I had not been into S Gauge, neither would they be now. There is nothing reasonable on the market for their parents to buy them in S gauge. Plenty in HO or even O gauge, but not S. No matter, they are into S now, I had fun, and all worked out. But what about all the others who could easilly be exposed, but aren't? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47844	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE

I think Joe started a good line with his comments about starter sets. I agree that while the SHS starter sets are nice for adults that want to start in S gauge, they are too detailed and too expensive for parents of children. I know Joe makes up and sells his own starter sets using refurbished Gilbert engines and K-Line or refurbished Flyer cars. Still, as a parent who was NOT into S, I would not give my child a used train for Christmas. Well, I did for my grandaughter, but it was one of Grandpa's trains and that was special to her. I looked at the sets Don linked and can understand why G gauge is growing so fast. It is big enough for kids to play with, detailed just enough to please the eye, and inexpensive enough for parents to buy for their children. When I run at shows I see lots of G, O, and HO sets going out the door with parents. Hopefully, they bought them. Then the other part of the formula is to convince hobby shops (at least) to stock S sets. If this does not happen, even if the number of S gaugers grows, it's percent of the total hobby will decline. One other suggestion. While we all love the steam machinery, kids today only see them at tourist roads, if they see them at all. A small steam set is vital to marketing, but a small diesel set is also important. Unfortunately the most visable super diesels of today would not work well for a starter set, but we should at least have a small diesel. Now as for my persoanl want list, I second the baby trainmaster H-44- 16 in Virginian to go with my AM trainmasters. I would think Ron could use at least some of his tooling from the trainmasters he already produces. If I could get this, I would probably get rid of all my Southern and N&W stuff and go exclusively Virginian. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunseyjr@...> wrote: > > My Friend"S", > > I offer these links to the starter set page offerings by two major suppliers of large scale trains (1:32 to 1:13 scale) as perhaps a discussion point for our 1:64 starter sets! > > http://www.ridgeroadstation.com/istar.asp? a=3&manufacturer=255&dept=trains&class=G&subclass=SETS > > or > > http://www.ridgeroadstation.com/istar.asp? a=3&manufacturer=117&dept=trains&class=G&subclass=SETS > > I believe that the starter set should be viewed like the 10-gal aquairum set-up offered in the tropical fish industry - a hook. I don't see this as deceptive - but - good marketing. Personally, I like the critter approach in the large scale starter kits by AristoCraft. > > Back into my hole to find my NOMEX suit! > > Keep in touch! > > Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... > S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator > River Logging fan > Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan > Virginian Rwy fan > Bonsai grasshopper > Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: anormal1@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:07 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE > > > What would a "GOOD PRICE" be for an entry level set for kid use? > Say an Atlantic, 3 cars & caboose. A transformer & an oval of track w/at > least 4 st. tracks > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore 97501 > > Recent Activity > a.. 5New Members > b.. 8New Photos > c.. 1New Links > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > > Guides, news, > > advice & more. > > Drive Traffic > Sponsored Search > > can help increase > > your site traffic. > > Y! Groups blog > the best source > > for the latest > > scoop on Groups. > . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47845	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks

Mike- As a UPS recipient and shipper, and someone who has experienced the problem with a house without a covered front porch for deliveries, I offer the following: When I ship, I spend the extra money to require UPS to obtain a signature and send me proof; when I buy I request the shipper to provide that extra bit of service and am willing to pay for it. This started after an anniversary flower arrangement got deposited at a basement walkout that got used about once a year without ringing the doorbell (as claimed by the delivery person) since there was no doorbell button at that door. Surprise ruined although the florist replaced the flowers the next day (somehow not quite the same). Another event involved some train items that were left behind the house under some shrubs. This showed some initiative on the part of the delivery person as our front stoop was exposed to view from a busy street and a package would have been ripe for the grabbing, but a phone call to the supplier when the package did not show up as expected was required to finally track things down. Actually I gave up and rented a private mail box at the equivalent of a UPS store. The $15 per quarter was worth having the items received and stored indoors by a trustworthy proprietor. All in all it would be nice to have it done right. We moved from a small town in Oregon to inside the beltway in MD and the change was significant. In Oregon we had the local UPS driver bring a Saturday urgent delivery to my office to our house and she stated she knew it was important and that we might not be at the office until Monday to get it. So not all UPS delivery persons are the problem, but the near the big city types arent't helping the image. Bill Drake Medium sized city in Central Virginia --- MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > This morning at 5:30 am I went to get the newspaper, > as I felt a heavy item at the door. > > It was a box, completely soaked, as we had heavy > rain all night. > > I was a box of spray paint I ordered from Weavers in > PA. > > The paint inside was fine, not wet at all. The box > saved the product from being soaked, as that could > of ruined the labels on the paint cans. > > No big deal you might say. I am expecting two S > Helper Steam engines to come to me sometime and they > use UPS. I could just image if it was the engines > and they got soaked. > > I write this because the USPS uses plastic bags to > put things in when they know it will be raining, > especially if they make a delivery after 8 PM!!!! > > > This rain was predicated for several days. Thank > you UPS for keeping in touch with the weather as you > throw packages on door steps and leave. Yes, they > do know how to throw packages as one driver told > when I had a 60 dollar vacuum part I ordered destroy > by a UPS driver throwing the package. I had to > order a new one, at the cost of Sears, as the driver > told me this was okay. I think that attitude is > totally sick, as that is what drives up the prices > of product and now I had to wait for the > replacement. > > I have had many incidents with UPS but never with > the USPS. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47846	From: beebear	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Hey Don No flaming here ! I think that would be a great idea if you could buy S powerblocks as you mentioned below At one time I had thought about the Black Beetle but in talking to the manufacturer they weren't that powerful. The possibilities are endless.... John > > I agree about powereblocks! The On30 trolley powereblock is easily > convertable to 1:64 scale and 7/8 gauge, using SHS diesel wheelsets, but a > drop in power block would be greatly appreciated! BTW, this powerblock is > already gauged for Sn42 - GBG!! > > Again, an example from the large scale world of a powerblock - available, > inexpensive and reliable! Allows folks to construct their own critters > with a single block. Using two blocks, first generation and later > diesels, trolleys and even some types of geared steam locomotives. > > http://www.ridgeroadstation.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=25529351!255 > > I know the site currently says "backordered" - but in my experience with > this vendor - this is a very short term situation.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47847	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks

I had ordered some software and had much the same thing happen. My mailbox was out on the highway.The package would not fit in it, UPS just laid it down at the post the mailbox was mounted to. My yard had a circular drive with a six or eight step walk to the porch. I won't use them if I can avoid it. ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; William Moitz ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] UPS Sucks This morning at 5:30 am I went to get the newspaper, as I felt a heavy item at the door. It was a box, completely soaked, as we had heavy rain all night. I was a box of spray paint I ordered from Weavers in PA. The paint inside was fine, not wet at all. The box saved the product from being soaked, as that could of ruined the labels on the paint cans. No big deal you might say. I am expecting two S Helper Steam engines to come to me sometime and they use UPS. I could just image if it was the engines and they got soaked. I write this because the USPS uses plastic bags to put things in when they know it will be raining, especially if they make a delivery after 8 PM!!!! This rain was predicated for several days. Thank you UPS for keeping in touch with the weather as you throw packages on door steps and leave. Yes, they do know how to throw packages as one driver told when I had a 60 dollar vacuum part I ordered destroy by a UPS driver throwing the package. I had to order a new one, at the cost of Sears, as the driver told me this was okay. I think that attitude is totally sick, as that is what drives up the prices of product and now I had to wait for the replacement. I have had many incidents with UPS but never with the USPS. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47848	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Good Price for Starter Set

Michael Strickland wrote: <<What would a "GOOD PRICE" be for an entry level set for kid use? <<Say an Atlantic, 3 cars & caboose. A transformer & an oval of track w/at <<least 4 st. tracks I would say in the $249.95 to $279.95 ranghe would do it. The Docksider set at $350 is a little pricey. I offer my own starter sets, but only sell them to families and at non-TCA shows (to avoid collectors). They consist of a refurbished AF loco, track, and lock-on plus boxed K-Line cars and new K-Line transformer plus a reproduced AF instruction manual. They sell for: $99.95: Casey Jones with 2 cars and caboose, circle of track, manual uncoupler $119.95: 307 (or similar non-smoker Atlantic) with 2 cars and caboose, oval of track (2 straights), electric uncoupler $139.95: 302 (or similar smoking Atlantic) with 3 cars and caboose, oval of track (4 straights), electric uncoupler Sure, I am not making any money on these sets, but at least I am getting them into the hands of young kids. This is our future folks. WHAT WE NEED IS STARTER SETS!!!!! (Yes, I am shouting) Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47849	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks

UPS sucks for sure. I had a box of Lab Glassware (Clearly Marked) & the driver threw it over the fence. Then their claims process was worse. I now use FedEx & have not have one issue in over 5 years. Cheaper too. Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47850	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE

How about a starter set with a 44 toner or Baldwin switcher? Or Docksider. Gons & flats are about the cheapest to build, along with hoppers. AF Comp. trucks would be great for add on's as the interest grew. A smaller transformer could be used & a track system like Pikemaster/Atlas would be great. Could this be done for under $100? Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47852	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF aCcessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors

Bridge is slotted for standard gauge track. I'll be making a wood base to lay over the bridge base and mount the track Jim --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47853	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hell's Gate Bridge

Base of the bridge is appx 28-3/4" Jim --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47854	From: G C	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks

Mike and all, In all fairness to UPS drivers, they are treated like crap by the company. Yes indeed there is no excuse for the way your deliveries were handled, but I worked with the wife of a driver for over ten years and the stories she told of how her husband and others were treated by the management made your hair stand on end. They are paid well, but they are dumped on at every opportunity. It is another example of how older workers who have built up seniority are pushed out in favor of younger lower paid employees. Gene ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47855	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks - maybe?

A local restaurant has a sign posted, if the food is great please tell everyone, if the food wasn't to your liking, please just tell us and we will correct the situation. I have used UPS many many times and completely satisfied with the service in shipping and receiving. Thank you Jerry Matsick (Plus I built a house with a "Large" front porch) Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47856	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S"

We need a starter set that costs less than $100, has a remote control engine, runs on S gauge track, and has an automatic operating car. You may think that this is not possible for under $100, but it is. My Granddaughter has such a set. It consists of an engine, operating freight car, a passenger car, 8 curve tracks, and four straight tracks, plus a few figures. It is based on Sesame Street characters. The engine is battery operated and can go back or forth,changing direction by remote control. The operating car has to pass a deck, then back up. When it backs up it is loaded with two barrels. It is then taken around the oval of tracks past a an unloading station. As it backs up to the unloading station it deposits the two barrels. The little figures are the Engineer and passengers. The great failure is that it is not in S gauge. Now imagine this: Suppose that a cheap toy like this could operate on S gauge track, cars could be added to it that are more detailed, couplers that are compatible with Gilbert couplers, passenger car sets with the cars lighting up, etc: Perhaps this is not what you envisioned, but something like this is needed for those beginner sets that will undoubtedly come from China, or perhaps India. I invite you to rake me over the coals for this, with the hope that something positive will come of it. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47857	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks

In a message dated 3/5/2008 8:11:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I am expecting two S Helper Steam engines to come to me sometime and they use UPS. I could just image if it was the engines and they got soaked. BE GLAD most companies use UPS or FED EX. DHL (Don't Hurry Louie) has mis-delivered to different TOWNS along the way ( That was a prototype locomotive by the way, priceless) the drivers then lie about their actions, even after the receiver found the package 10 days after expected and submitted pics to the DHL office. In my case a two day delivery (overnight at no extra charge by UPS) took EIGHT (8) days to arrive, the reason given was that the driver couldn't find me because I didn't live close to Wally World. I was charged the FULL rate for that package, with NO co-operation from the shipper. The area DHL manager was nothing less than ARROGANT about the whole thing. They apparently have no appeal process, either. My UPS driver and the USPS people, too, BTW, are nothing less than helpful and courteous at every turn. Jim "training on the PENNSY Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47858	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: The Ceiling Level Route has begun

All the recent talk about the Hell Gate bridge has been motivational. I am envious as always wanted one in any color. But I have no place to put one until the kids are off to college (but that's another story) In fact I have nowhere to put a layout except around the ceiling of the rec. room, so that will have to be good enough for a few years. Building modules on the bench to hang along the perimeter of the room should be relatively easy if maybe a little different. I'll miss out on having elevation changes, scenery and places for the trains to disappear/reappear (except where they go behind the bar) but I will have a 85' double track main with 3 passing sidings. A place to run AF without fears of it being trampled! The biggest obstacle I had to overcome was a 7' mantel that needed to be crossed. So we started by building a bridge to cross it. Like I said, I always wanted a Hell Gate but for a ceiling layout it needed to be a deck bridge. Imagining what the Hell Gate would look like as a deco deck bridge I came up with this design. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/821d It's no Hell Gate but it works for me, works with the room and best of all, it's a start! Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47859	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Good Price for Starter Set

In a message dated 3/5/2008 9:43:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes: I would say in the $249.95 to $279.95 ranghe would do it. The Docksider set at $350 is a little pricey. I have TWO SHS starter sets, one PRR the other ICG I have offered for $259.95 and NO takers. BRAND NEW--in the boxes. Obviously better made that "Flyonel". Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47860	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks

I have to second this. UPS is absolutely, in my experience, the worst at protecting packages. I can't count the times I received boxes that were crushed, holes ripped in them, left on the doorstep to the elements, soaked through, etc., etc. Whenever I have a choice, I use USPS or even FEDEX. UPS is absolutely horrendous. It all stems from the attitude of the drivers that they employ. I'm sure there are good ones out there, but my experiences have been mind-numbing and I will never, ever use them. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; William Moitz ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 2:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] UPS Sucks This morning at 5:30 am I went to get the newspaper, as I felt a heavy item at the door. It was a box, completely soaked, as we had heavy rain all night. I was a box of spray paint I ordered from Weavers in PA. The paint inside was fine, not wet at all. The box saved the product from being soaked, as that could of ruined the labels on the paint cans. No big deal you might say. I am expecting two S Helper Steam engines to come to me sometime and they use UPS. I could just image if it was the engines and they got soaked. I write this because the USPS uses plastic bags to put things in when they know it will be raining, especially if they make a delivery after 8 PM!!!! This rain was predicated for several days. Thank you UPS for keeping in touch with the weather as you throw packages on door steps and leave. Yes, they do know how to throw packages as one driver told when I had a 60 dollar vacuum part I ordered destroy by a UPS driver throwing the package. I had to order a new one, at the cost of Sears, as the driver told me this was okay. I think that attitude is totally sick, as that is what drives up the prices of product and now I had to wait for the replacement. I have had many incidents with UPS but never with the USPS. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47861	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun

Now that is decorating with style! Tell us, did you wire it in so that the engine can go back and forth up there? If you were to capture some closer photos with plenty of pixels, I bet that thing could make the pages of CTT. Thanks for sharing, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Benner Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] The Ceiling Level Route has begun All the recent talk about the Hell Gate bridge has been motivational. I am envious as always wanted one in any color. But I have no place to put one until the kids are off to college (but that's another story) In fact I have nowhere to put a layout except around the ceiling of the rec. room, so that will have to be good enough for a few years. Building modules on the bench to hang along the perimeter of the room should be relatively easy if maybe a little different. I'll miss out on having elevation changes, scenery and places for the trains to disappear/reappear (except where they go behind the bar) but I will have a 85' double track main with 3 passing sidings. A place to run AF without fears of it being trampled! The biggest obstacle I had to overcome was a 7' mantel that needed to be crossed. So we started by building a bridge to cross it. Like I said, I always wanted a Hell Gate but for a ceiling layout it needed to be a deck bridge. Imagining what the Hell Gate would look like as a deco deck bridge I came up with this design. http://ph.groups <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/821d> yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/821d It's no Hell Gate but it works for me, works with the room and best of all, it's a start! Regards, Tim Benner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47862	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks

USPS drivers are not exactly treated like gold. They are well paid as well, but most USPS employees are treated like crap as well. The only difference is that seniority counts in the USPS; hence, the older, more mature employees who have pride in doing a good job are the ones (for the most part) that deliver your mail and packages. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; William Moitz ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UPS Sucks Mike and all, In all fairness to UPS drivers, they are treated like crap by the company. Yes indeed there is no excuse for the way your deliveries were handled, but I worked with the wife of a driver for over ten years and the stories she told of how her husband and others were treated by the management made your hair stand on end. They are paid well, but they are dumped on at every opportunity. It is another example of how older workers who have built up seniority are pushed out in favor of younger lower paid employees. Gene __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47863	From: Thomas J. Donovan	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun

Tim Great job! You may like to publish your construction / materials methods and details. Tom Donovan Medfield, MA ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Benner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] The Ceiling Level Route has begun All the recent talk about the Hell Gate bridge has been motivational. I am envious as always wanted one in any color. But I have no place to put one until the kids are off to college (but that's another story) In fact I have nowhere to put a layout except around the ceiling of the rec. room, so that will have to be good enough for a few years. Building modules on the bench to hang along the perimeter of the room should be relatively easy if maybe a little different. I'll miss out on having elevation changes, scenery and places for the trains to disappear/reappear (except where they go behind the bar) but I will have a 85' double track main with 3 passing sidings. A place to run AF without fears of it being trampled! The biggest obstacle I had to overcome was a 7' mantel that needed to be crossed. So we started by building a bridge to cross it. Like I said, I always wanted a Hell Gate but for a ceiling layout it needed to be a deck bridge. Imagining what the Hell Gate would look like as a deco deck bridge I came up with this design. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/821d It's no Hell Gate but it works for me, works with the room and best of all, it's a start! Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47864	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Good Price for Starter Set

I have a 21085 W//3 cars a 1 1/2 trans 12 curved & 4 straight track & clip. All you need is some wire. Had it listed @120 ( 1 offer of $25) no takers now 99.99 with BIN or make an offer. No interest at all. The engine is like new except one step from the front gone.. I thought it a reas. price for a starter set. But...... Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47865	From: michael prell	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun

Tim, This is WAY cool! Please keep the pics comming as you progress! Mike Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: All the recent talk about the Hell Gate bridge has been motivational. I am envious as always wanted one in any color. But I have no place to put one until the kids are off to college (but that's another story) In fact I have nowhere to put a layout except around the ceiling of the rec. room, so that will have to be good enough for a few years. Building modules on the bench to hang along the perimeter of the room should be relatively easy if maybe a little different. I'll miss out on having elevation changes, scenery and places for the trains to disappear/reappear (except where they go behind the bar) but I will have a 85' double track main with 3 passing sidings. A place to run AF without fears of it being trampled! The biggest obstacle I had to overcome was a 7' mantel that needed to be crossed. So we started by building a bridge to cross it. Like I said, I always wanted a Hell Gate but for a ceiling layout it needed to be a deck bridge. Imagining what the Hell Gate would look like as a deco deck bridge I came up with this design. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/821d It's no Hell Gate but it works for me, works with the room and best of all, it's a start! Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47866	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks

Whatever the lousy service - eBay sellers and overseas shippers please note, UPS is far too expensive for overseas packages. Go figure - 4 X 36" MTH standard Gauge tracks - UPS $80.00, USPS around 25-30. AND held up by customs with customs agents fees to pay regardless! UPS - no thanks. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47867	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Delivery Services

Further comment after many years of service in shipping transportation, one of my responsibilities was "Quality Control"! Those who have had problems with a delivery service contact their Quality Control Manager or the Terminal Manager and complain, that is the only way you can have an improvement in service, myself over the years I have used all the major delivery services and only 1 time do I remember a breakage.. The subject of shipping and receiving damages is much like the current political campaigns. Is the glass half empty or half full? Most of these companies would not be in business if their service was that bad. FEDEX, UPS, DHL, and USPS all have their problems just as America does, but I would not trade it for a moment! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47868	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE

I'll say it here publically...a starter set with the mentioned items should come in under $100. Anything more, and folks will walk away. The thing would have to be less break prone than the scale collectibles available now and would have to be built more stout...ie. lacking some details, to hold up to small operators. While Americans are very free with their money, they are not taht free. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47869	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun

Hi Tim -- That is one great mantle display! I don't think you need the Hell Gate... Have fun! Bill Winans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47870	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: UPS

What happened to my package last night is a bad reflection on any delivery company, but I really can not blame the company. It is the driver that I really should blame. He is the one that showed up late, did not bother to knock, as it was raining in the evening and did not put the package then, into a protective plastic bag. Thankfully, Weaver, uses a thick box made by U-Line and that absorb the water. The cans of paint are fine. But what happen to my package was a complete shock to me when I got the paper this morning at 5:30 AM as it poured all night. It is almost like going to a restaurant, having a great meal, the food is great, the service is great. Then you get a cup of coffee and it is awful. That bad cup of coffee ruins everything about the meal and the place that served the meal. So to me, the careless driver is a bad reflection on a very good company, overall. I was not complaining about how the package might be treated in transit as a few mentioned. I can not believe the company was not prepare with bad weather by not having plastic bags for packages left at a door. Again, this lies with the driver not being prepared. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47871	From: Glenn	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Good Price for Starter Set

I made up the same set for my 2 year old granddaughter and now she is hooked on trains but my daughter said she wants to play with the cars and push the engine so they are setting up Thomas until she is older. We have had this discussion on the S-Trains list for years and K-Line was about to do it for S before they folded. Several of us even ordered a "Pacific" set but it may not happen with the new owner. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Good Price for Starter Set I have a 21085 W//3 cars a 1 1/2 trans 12 curved & 4 straight track & clip. All you need is some wire. Had it listed @120 ( 1 offer of $25) no takers now 99.99 with BIN or make an offer. No interest at all. The engine is like new except one step from the front gone.. I thought it a reas. price for a starter set. But...... Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47872	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks

As an international shipper of ebay, I agree with the below. One of the first shipments I made I double checked the shipping charges from UPS and USPS to Canada. Prices were about the same and I was used to UPS so sent a whistling billboard junker (bid amount $2.50) on to Canada by UPS. What isn't made obvious is that the postal services perform their own customs brokerage with basically no extra charge. (the customs fees are the same either way) UPS automatically assigns a private customs broker (minimum cost $15 to $25 fees) to the item and you are stuck. You have to pay the broker to keep the item and you have to pay the broker to get it back to the sender. In this case a lot of money for a rusty whistling billboard. I now use the post office only when I ship overseas. Even the post office has become more expensive and reduced the number of available services. Just sent a 16 pound package to Germany and it was US$72.30 by Priority Mail with no committed delivery and two hour-long waits in the lines at the post office to get it done. (The first to verify that they would take it and the amount, then when the buyer paid, a second visit to actually ship the item - the clerk did not believe that they would accept a package that size and had to recalculate and verify with the supervisor). I don't have the information from the buyer as to whether it got there and in what condition. We'll see. Bill Drake Central Virginia at a CSX and Norfolk Southern junction. --- Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: > Whatever the lousy service - eBay sellers and > overseas shippers please > note, UPS is far too expensive for overseas > packages. Go figure - 4 X > 36" MTH standard Gauge tracks - UPS $80.00, USPS > around 25-30. AND held > up by customs with customs agents fees to pay > regardless! UPS - no > thanks. Alistair > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47873	From: roy inman	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF aCcessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors

Jim, I have lost track of the thread. Is your bridge a reissue O gauge, or an original Standard Gage Hell's Gate Bridge? Roy Inman From: Jim Marski <jim_marski@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:02:25 -0800 (PST) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel/AF aCcessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors Bridge is slotted for standard gauge track. I'll be making a wood base to lay over the bridge base and mount the track Jim --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47874	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

This topic pops up every few years. I will say what I have said before. What S needs most is a complete interchangeable track system, one that has equivalents to every item Atlas makes for their code 100 HO track. Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47875	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun

When I was a kid there used to be a restaurant across the street from the Station at Texarkana that had a train running near the ceiling. This past fall I ran across a McDonalds in Louisiana along I 20 that also has a cobbled up train near the ceiling. (The also had a dummied up NASCAR in the lobby.) I have seen pics of various "ceiling routes" before and have always thought them KOOL. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Ceiling Level Route has begun Tim, This is WAY cool! Please keep the pics comming as you progress! Mike Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: All the recent talk about the Hell Gate bridge has been motivational. I am envious as always wanted one in any color. But I have no place to put one until the kids are off to college (but that's another story) In fact I have nowhere to put a layout except around the ceiling of the rec. room, so that will have to be good enough for a few years. Building modules on the bench to hang along the perimeter of the room should be relatively easy if maybe a little different. I'll miss out on having elevation changes, scenery and places for the trains to disappear/reappear (except where they go behind the bar) but I will have a 85' double track main with 3 passing sidings. A place to run AF without fears of it being trampled! The biggest obstacle I had to overcome was a 7' mantel that needed to be crossed. So we started by building a bridge to cross it. Like I said, I always wanted a Hell Gate but for a ceiling layout it needed to be a deck bridge. Imagining what the Hell Gate would look like as a deco deck bridge I came up with this design. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/821d It's no Hell Gate but it works for me, works with the room and best of all, it's a start! Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47876	From: william cole	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks

international either use ground, or if it'll fit, one of the 10kg or 25 kg boxes from UPS, fedEx, etc.....way much cheaperer...duties and taxes are brutal any way you look at it....Bill --- Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > As an international shipper of ebay, I agree with > the > below. One of the first shipments I made I double > checked the shipping charges from UPS and USPS to > Canada. Prices were about the same and I was used to > UPS so sent a whistling billboard junker (bid amount > $2.50) on to Canada by UPS. What isn't made obvious > is > that the postal services perform their own customs > brokerage with basically no extra charge. (the > customs > fees are the same either way) UPS automatically > assigns a private customs broker (minimum cost $15 > to > $25 fees) to the item and you are stuck. You have to > pay the broker to keep the item and you have to pay > the broker to get it back to the sender. In this > case > a lot of money for a rusty whistling billboard. I > now > use the post office only when I ship overseas. > > Even the post office has become more expensive and > reduced the number of available services. Just sent > a > 16 pound package to Germany and it was US$72.30 by > Priority Mail with no committed delivery and two > hour-long waits in the lines at the post office to > get > it done. (The first to verify that they would take > it > and the amount, then when the buyer paid, a second > visit to actually ship the item - the clerk did not > believe that they would accept a package that size > and > had to recalculate and verify with the supervisor). > > I don't have the information from the buyer as to > whether it got there and in what condition. We'll > see. > > Bill Drake > Central Virginia at a CSX and Norfolk Southern > junction. > --- Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: > > > Whatever the lousy service - eBay sellers and > > overseas shippers please > > note, UPS is far too expensive for overseas > > packages. Go figure - 4 X > > 36" MTH standard Gauge tracks - UPS $80.00, USPS > > around 25-30. AND held > > up by customs with customs agents fees to pay > > regardless! UPS - no > > thanks. Alistair > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47877	From: Phil K	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: No political causes or religious statements, please

As most of you know this has become an unpleasant issue here lately. It is against group policy to use this forum as a soapbox for political causes and religious statements, however seemingly harmless. And I ask the other moderators to be vigilant when approving posts. I just approved a post, but deleted the following lines from the poster's signature: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ``Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007'' ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.submitted website deleted "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47878	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Starter Set Price

What constitutes a starter set? It will be impossible to price out a starter set unless we know what is in it. Don't forget that eventhough we life in larger, much more sprowling houses, the houses of our youth had a basement or attic that we couild start our "empires" in and dream of going somewhere. I have wantged to add a room to my house just ffor use as a train room. I am about to settle for part of the garage. The costs have brought me to my knees. I have the set that Dad bought at Christmas 1947. I picked up a similar set some five years ago and I have quite a bit of stuff we added every year at Christmas. I really look forward to this. But knowing Dad, he may have bought a "starter" set for $30 or $40 back then. What does that translate to today? $500? You don't get much in plastic toys today for $30 oir $40. And I doubt if anyone could market at street level an oval with a real low level detailed locomotive for less than $200. It will take someone with more entreprenuership than I have to figure out where the market is and what pricing it will stand. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47879	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: delivery companies

Hi, I had no intention of turning my situation about a delivery being left out in the rain by a UPS driver, into a discussion of other aspects of how they operate. I just thought I would let you all know that. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47880	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: UPS Sucks

Sorry Bill - still twice the price and customs here in Oz is generally only payable on very expensive items or new items but you get stung by UPS agent's custom fees whether or not you pay customs. Alistair [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47881	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Starter Set Price

Hi All -- The problem does not lie with the pricing, it lies with what we have for income. We might have had a monthly income of $300 to $500 when I was a kid, so that $70 Lionel (egad!) loco that I wanted was a BIG chunk. So today that might be $800, adjusted for inflation, but what about the family income? The $300 to $500 would now be $4000 to $6000 per month, a figure that is MUCH harder to achieve. Were I making what I made as a Captian in the US Army in the very early '70's, I would be making $250000+ per year now. NOT HAPPENING. For a very early look at yours truly, find a Dec 1957 "Mechanix Illustrated" and see the train table my dad built for me (necessary train content). Have fun! Bill Winans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47882	From: jim_marski	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF aCcessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors

Roy, It's an original Lionel 300 Hell Gate. BTW, saw some of your photo work on display at the California RR Museum last month- very nice! Jim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Jim, I have lost track of the thread. Is your bridge a reissue O gauge, or > an original Standard Gage Hell's Gate Bridge? > > Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47883	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE

This is pretty interesting e-mail i am reading using the free WiFi in Hong Kong airport as I wait for my flight to Bangkok. If you are setting prices for a product you need to consider a few things. One thing you are missing is how you are planning on marketing your S gauge train sets. Although you can price your S gauge train set to keep your margins (profits) to a break even point, trust me, your distributors and hobby shops will not feel the same way. If you are lucky, you could set your wholesale price in the $60 to $75 dollar range. Now what kind of sent can you put together for that cost? With a loop of track, transformer, engine and a few cars. Our S scale starter sets are pretty much break even at our distributor cost (Walthers). But, we use items that the tooling has been paid for as well as the production costs. If you are starting out, you do not have that option, so you have to pay for the tooling too. That would cause your retail price to go up. Although cheap stuff with less detail may seem to sell well, look what happen to K-Line. Like my mentor Ron Sebastian warned me a decade ago, "Rule number one...Don't give away the store". We thought we were quite successful with our starter sets with the lowest MSRP being $299.95. And that is for a 4 car set, not three car set. This price allowed us to sell to our distributor as well as hobby shops with enough profit so they were willing to stock them and not just custom order. Do our sets have lots of detail and maybe too much? Maybe, be we sold lots to AF grandparents and the re-orders from the new S families made them a good investment. Plus, a body with cast on everything cost no more with than one with all of the detail attachments spotted on the tool. So, the savings is not that great and the market for non train sets is not as great as a quality car intended for everyone. Well good luck with your new company and let me know if you need any additional free advice. Goodbye from Hong Kong, Don PS More of our starter set gift boxes should be available this summer.... Subject: [S-Trains] Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> a starter set with the mentioned items should come in under $100. Anything more, and folks will walk away.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47884	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Starter Set Price

In a message dated 3/5/2008 7:45:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, bigfoot@... writes: But knowing Dad, he may have bought a "starter" set for $30 or $40 back then. What does that translate to today? $500? You don't get much in plastic toys today for $30 oir $40. Several weeks before Toy Fair and $102. a barrel oil, the Major Toy Trades (mags, pundits, whatever) were predicting toy prices to increase by 30% by Fall buying season. Bet they were low. Already seeing increases in most train related items. Buy now. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47885	From: John	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: What do we need in S?

Well I guess for those nay-sayers who asked what could Atlas bring to the S table..... It seems quite a few suggestions have surfaced. Granted it is not enough to warrant a company to spend the money to build a small hand full of each, but is does seem there is room to expand the S line. You can only buy so many box cars, hoppers, tank cars etc. It seems like the specialty cars and engines go fast. John --- bereskin@... wrote: From: Victor Bereskin <bereskin@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What do we need in S? Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:03:55 -0500 This topic pops up every few years. I will say what I have said before. What S needs most is a complete interchangeable track system, one that has equivalents to every item Atlas makes for their code 100 HO track. Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47886	From: Steve	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Track Trips!!!!! and more track trips, and pressure sensitive trips, and block detection in a/c and other stuff to make my (yes, mine, i'm selfish) layout better. I want automation of everything!! I don't want or need more rolling stock or engines. Sure there are road names out there or designs that would be nice, (I like the idea of a nice Franklin) but I'm out of shelves and want to see some trains dusted off and running in dangerously fast circles. I want three trains on the same chunk of track. I want all the automation that those big L followers have. I shouldn't have to throw a switch to keep from derailing, the switch should accommodate me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47887	From: roy inman	Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF aCcessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors

At the California RR Museum? Had no idea they had any of my photos. But thanks, in any event :) Roy From: jim_marski <jim_marski@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:48:36 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel/AF aCcessory- Horrifying Lionel Collectors Roy, It's an original Lionel 300 Hell Gate. BTW, saw some of your photo work on display at the California RR Museum last month- very nice! Jim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Jim, I have lost track of the thread. Is your bridge a reissue O gauge, or > an original Standard Gage Hell's Gate Bridge? > > Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47888	From: Vivamus	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Upgradeable Starter Set

Let me weigh in, from someone fairly new to S, on what I think of as a "starter set". I just bought an HO set for my nephew for Christmas. It included an oval track, transformer, locomotive, 4 cars, caboose, some plastic figures, and a couple of scenery pieces. It was $29.95 (on sale,) regularly $59.95. Yes, plastic wheels, but it looked pretty cool, and the brass track had standard connectors. When an adult is looking at buying a toy train set for a child, that's the kind of thing that will grab them. Cheap, nice looking, and runs out of the box. Scale? What does that really matter, when you are getting a child hooked on trains? Everyone is different, but I would not buy a Thomas the Tank Engine working train. Those are great for the wooden toy tracks (my son still has his huge collection of them,) but I think, if you are talking about getting a child "into" model trains, that you are going to have more success with a somewhat realistic (emphasis on the somewhat) model train. There are two very good reasons for this. The first and most obvious one is that the more it looks like a real train, the more it will make them interested in other "real-looking" trains. The less obvious (but perhaps more important one) is that they don't have to throw away the starter set to build on it, and if the set has standard track pieces, you can add on from there. I very much agree that S needs to have a cheap starter set, and I very much agree that it needs to be under $100. A set like the $59.95 one in S should be doable for that, but the problem is that it takes mass production to make a set that cheap, and you are competing with $59.95 (and sometimes $29.95) HO sets. So, how can it be done? Here's an idea. I don't know if this is feasible, but I think it should be. Maybe some of those on the manufacturing side can weigh in here. The idea is free for the taking for anyone who wants to use it. Make a starter set that has standard, expandable track -- SHS track or something like snap track. Include the basic set of cheap but cool-looking plastic rolling stock with plastic wheels. For power, however, use a battery-powered locomotive with plastic wheels, just like in the wooden toy tracks. Make it look real, just like the cars and caboose. With a battery powered loco, you could cut production costs in half, it seems to me. No transformer, no wires, and instant setup. Even someone terrified of electrical circuits can set it up in five minutes and be running. Best of all, you can sell other cheap replacement locos, more (standard) track components, and the maximum upgrade: A transformer and powered loco, that lets you add on lighted cars, dinging crossing guards, and all sorts of cool stuff that makes kids eyes light up. Note that this upgrade path is not possible if you don't start out with standard metal track. From a manufacturing perspective, it would be very tempting to use super-cheap plastic track, but that loses the upgrade path, and makes it necessary to throw out everything you have to upgrade. For marketing, you have to make the track so it can be upgraded. Eventually, the battery-powered train may have a place of honor in some old man's layout, sitting on a siding because it isn't up to prototypical operations, but there because it was the train that got him hooked. What do you think? Brian Groover _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of A. E. Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Starter Set Price What constitutes a starter set? It will be impossible to price out a starter set unless we know what is in it. Don't forget that eventhough we life in larger, much more sprowling houses, the houses of our youth had a basement or attic that we couild start our "empires" in and dream of going somewhere. I have wantged to add a room to my house just ffor use as a train room. I am about to settle for part of the garage. The costs have brought me to my knees. I have the set that Dad bought at Christmas 1947. I picked up a similar set some five years ago and I have quite a bit of stuff we added every year at Christmas. I really look forward to this. But knowing Dad, he may have bought a "starter" set for $30 or $40 back then. What does that translate to today? $500? You don't get much in plastic toys today for $30 oir $40. And I doubt if anyone could market at street level an oval with a real low level detailed locomotive for less than $200. It will take someone with more entreprenuership than I have to figure out where the market is and what pricing it will stand. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47889	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Good Price for Starter Set

Glwen, I think you've hit upon a possible solution here. I've been thinking about this whole starter set issue and at the risk of mistaking the hornets' nest for a pinata, I've come to the realization that, in my humble opinion, we can solve most - not all - of the issues with a single item - an 1:64 Thomas!! Back to my hole! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Good Price for Starter Set I made up the same set for my 2 year old granddaughter and now she is hooked on trains but my daughter said she wants to play with the cars and push the engine so they are setting up Thomas until she is older. Glenn Recent Activity a.. 5New Members b.. 10New Photos c.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. Featured Y! Groups and category pages. There is something for everyone. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47890	From: Glenn	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Good Price for Starter Set

Here is Trry Putt's machine shop. He makes the S gauge Thomas and many have them for under $100. http://www.plantfloor.com/oh/putttrains.htm Does anyone have his Thomas website? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Munsey Jr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Good Price for Starter Set Glwen, I think you've hit upon a possible solution here. I've been thinking about this whole starter set issue and at the risk of mistaking the hornets' nest for a pinata, I've come to the realization that, in my humble opinion, we can solve most - not all - of the issues with a single item - an 1:64 Thomas!! Back to my hole! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Good Price for Starter Set I made up the same set for my 2 year old granddaughter and now she is hooked on trains but my daughter said she wants to play with the cars and push the engine so they are setting up Thomas until she is older. Glenn Recent Activity a.. 5New Members b.. 10New Photos c.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. Featured Y! Groups and category pages. There is something for everyone. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: 3/5/2008 6:38 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47891	From: Jim Grimes	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

This has been an interesting thread! It would be useful to compile a list of the proposed items and have a survey as to who and how many would buy each potential item. This could stimulate some interest among the manufacturers. Are you listening Lionel? Jim Grimes TCA# 97-45877 tsbikes@... PO Box 297 25238 Palamino Place Custer SD, 57730 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47892	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: What do we need in S Gauge?

With Lionel AF, S Helper, and American Models we should have and be thankful for the now "Large" selection of Engines, Cars, Accessorys that are on the market! What we need in S Gauge now is Patience! Take a look at the many items available now and what was available 15 years ago? "Be Ye Thankful" Jerry Matsick Jacksonivlle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47893	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE

Don & all, The only one that might be able to do this would be "Hobby Surplus". They have a great stock of cars from Gilbert. They have the Pikemaster track & could come up with a cheap engine like the Dockside. As far as dist., it would also have to be a mfg. sales direct to cut cost. The idea being just a starter set to add on to. Lionel could also do it with a small set & add on track pkgs. But sales only from them to start with. Just my 2 cents, Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47894	From: Grant	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Well my standard answer for that is 'free beer' but some may say that isn't part of s scale but I beg to differ. I am very happy with it being a 'fringe' scale, keeps the riff raft out and the people who jump on board when something gets big and then ruins it. I tell my wife that generally there is so little to buy at stores I can't spend a whole lot which can be tempting when you have a huge store full of your scale and a shiny new credit card. I would like to find s scale Scottie dogs for my layout but truthfully i would settle for giant O scale mutant Scottie dogs That would make me happy! Grant --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Victor Bereskin <bereskin@...> wrote: > > This topic pops up every few years. I will say what I have said > before. What S needs most is a complete interchangeable track system, > one that has equivalents to every item Atlas makes for their code 100 HO > track. > > Vic Bereskin >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47895	From: flyer_af	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Good Price for Starter Set

My father bought me a #20165 Thunderbolt freight set for $35 for Christmas in 1960. It wasn't AF's cheapest starter set, but close to it. That $35, adjusted for inflation, would cost $246.39 in 2007. .......Larry Harmon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" <gartrain404@...> wrote: > > Here is Trry Putt's machine shop. > He makes the S gauge Thomas > and many have them for under > $100. > http://www.plantfloor.com/oh/putttrains.htm > > Does anyone have his Thomas website? > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donald Munsey Jr. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:45 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Good Price for Starter Set > > > Glwen, > > I think you've hit upon a possible solution here. > > I've been thinking about this whole starter set issue and at the risk of mistaking the hornets' nest for a pinata, I've come to the realization that, in my humble opinion, we can solve most - not all - of the issues with a single item - an 1:64 Thomas!! > > Back to my hole! > > Keep in touch! > > Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... > S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator > River Logging fan > Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan > Virginian Rwy fan > Bonsai grasshopper > Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Glenn > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Good Price for Starter Set > > I made up the same set for my > 2 year old granddaughter and now > she is hooked on trains but my > daughter said she wants to play > with the cars and push the engine > so they are setting up Thomas > until she is older. > > Glenn > > Recent Activity > a.. 5New Members > b.. 10New Photos > c.. 1New Links > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > > Guides, news, > > advice & more. > > Share Photos > Put your favorite > > photos and > > more online. > > Featured Y! Groups > and category pages. > > There is something > > for everyone. > . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: 3/5/2008 6:38 PM > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47896	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun

Thanks for all of your kind words. One of my favorite things about the bridge was the price. It was almost free except for the time. The towers are made of 1x12 and 1x10 from basement shelving we tore down and ripped to size. They were glued up and radiused with a belt sander, sealed, sanded and painted. The bridge deck is 7" wide and the span is 4' 8 1/2". This was also almost free as it was cut from a sheet of luan plywood 3/16" thick? The luan was purchased for a bathroom re-flooring project but we replaced the subfloor and used ceramic instead. I edge-glued and stapled two sheets of the luan together before cutting the arches to ensure they would be identical. They were cut out with a router to reduce splintering. The deck, arch top and bottom were of different sizes. So they were made using a flexible cardboard template which was fitted exactly to the arches. Once the top and bottom were cut out they were quite flexible so curving them to shape was no problem. The assembly was glued up with outdoor carpenters glue and secured with tiny nails, then clamped in two workmate type benches until the glue cured. Painting all of those surfaces after gluing was a pain to say the least. I didn't prepaint as I was worried about getting glue over the paint this time. If I did it again it would definitely be prepainted. It took a few coats of paint and sanding to get the 'hairs' of the wood off. Next time I would try plastic of some sort if it could be found... even if it isn't free. It got a coat of acrylic gloss medium and it was time to attach it to the piers and add tracks. All that is left to do is make and attach walkways on the sides. I am trying to figure out what material to use for railings. I would prefer something brass or that looks like brass. Any suggestions would be appreciated! I have rolled some trains across the tracks to make sure I had left enough room center to center for the trains to clear. But I have resisted the temptation to run anything under power. That is a LONG way down. Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47897	From: Vivamus	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Upgradeable Starter Set

Supplemental thoughts. The track needs to have one rerailing piece, so absolute beginners can set the trains down and they will stay on the tracks. Also, I would put the power switch for the loco on top, so it can be reached without taking it off the tracks. Make it a button, maybe, that fits with the design scheme. Brian _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vivamus Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:38 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Upgradeable Starter Set Let me weigh in, from someone fairly new to S, on what I think of as a "starter set". I just bought an HO set for my nephew for Christmas. It included an oval track, transformer, locomotive, 4 cars, caboose, some plastic figures, and a couple of scenery pieces. It was $29.95 (on sale,) regularly $59.95. Yes, plastic wheels, but it looked pretty cool, and the brass track had standard connectors. When an adult is looking at buying a toy train set for a child, that's the kind of thing that will grab them. Cheap, nice looking, and runs out of the box. Scale? What does that really matter, when you are getting a child hooked on trains? Everyone is different, but I would not buy a Thomas the Tank Engine working train. Those are great for the wooden toy tracks (my son still has his huge collection of them,) but I think, if you are talking about getting a child "into" model trains, that you are going to have more success with a somewhat realistic (emphasis on the somewhat) model train. There are two very good reasons for this. The first and most obvious one is that the more it looks like a real train, the more it will make them interested in other "real-looking" trains. The less obvious (but perhaps more important one) is that they don't have to throw away the starter set to build on it, and if the set has standard track pieces, you can add on from there. I very much agree that S needs to have a cheap starter set, and I very much agree that it needs to be under $100. A set like the $59.95 one in S should be doable for that, but the problem is that it takes mass production to make a set that cheap, and you are competing with $59.95 (and sometimes $29.95) HO sets. So, how can it be done? Here's an idea. I don't know if this is feasible, but I think it should be. Maybe some of those on the manufacturing side can weigh in here. The idea is free for the taking for anyone who wants to use it. Make a starter set that has standard, expandable track -- SHS track or something like snap track. Include the basic set of cheap but cool-looking plastic rolling stock with plastic wheels. For power, however, use a battery-powered locomotive with plastic wheels, just like in the wooden toy tracks. Make it look real, just like the cars and caboose. With a battery powered loco, you could cut production costs in half, it seems to me. No transformer, no wires, and instant setup. Even someone terrified of electrical circuits can set it up in five minutes and be running. Best of all, you can sell other cheap replacement locos, more (standard) track components, and the maximum upgrade: A transformer and powered loco, that lets you add on lighted cars, dinging crossing guards, and all sorts of cool stuff that makes kids eyes light up. Note that this upgrade path is not possible if you don't start out with standard metal track. From a manufacturing perspective, it would be very tempting to use super-cheap plastic track, but that loses the upgrade path, and makes it necessary to throw out everything you have to upgrade. For marketing, you have to make the track so it can be upgraded. Eventually, the battery-powered train may have a place of honor in some old man's layout, sitting on a siding because it isn't up to prototypical operations, but there because it was the train that got him hooked. What do you think? Brian Groover _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of A. E. Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Starter Set Price What constitutes a starter set? It will be impossible to price out a starter set unless we know what is in it. Don't forget that eventhough we life in larger, much more sprowling houses, the houses of our youth had a basement or attic that we couild start our "empires" in and dream of going somewhere. I have wantged to add a room to my house just ffor use as a train room. I am about to settle for part of the garage. The costs have brought me to my knees. I have the set that Dad bought at Christmas 1947. I picked up a similar set some five years ago and I have quite a bit of stuff we added every year at Christmas. I really look forward to this. But knowing Dad, he may have bought a "starter" set for $30 or $40 back then. What does that translate to today? $500? You don't get much in plastic toys today for $30 oir $40. And I doubt if anyone could market at street level an oval with a real low level detailed locomotive for less than $200. It will take someone with more entreprenuership than I have to figure out where the market is and what pricing it will stand. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47898	From: chudgr@earthlink.net	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: UPS Sucks

To all, Another unfortunate UPS experience! There were many good suggestions to prevent these kinds of incidents in the future. However, all the complaining in the world won't change a thing with UPS if dissatisfied customers don't complain to the company. I'm sure, in many instances, this could be alleviated by writing a letter to company officials. This was undoubtedly a driver without customer satisfaction and service in mind. Whatever his reason, there was no excuse and he should be reprimanded for it. But, letting it pass won't get any action or future improvement. Rather than writing to the List, try writing to the company.....better chance for action! Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... UPS Sucks Posted by: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" mlmarmer@... Wed Mar 5, 2008 5:11 am (PST) This morning at 5:30 am I went to get the newspaper, as I felt a heavy item at the door. It was a box, completely soaked, as we had heavy rain all night. I was a box of spray paint I ordered from Weavers in PA. The paint inside was fine, not wet at all. The box saved the product from being soaked, as that could of ruined the labels on the paint cans. No big deal you might say. I am expecting two S Helper Steam engines to come to me sometime and they use UPS. I could just image if it was the engines and they got soaked. I write this because the USPS uses plastic bags to put things in when they know it will be raining, especially if they make a delivery after 8 PM!!!! This rain was predicated for several days. Thank you UPS for keeping in touch with the weather as you throw packages on door steps and leave. Yes, they do know how to throw packages as one driver told when I had a 60 dollar vacuum part I ordered destroy by a UPS driver throwing the package. I had to order a new one, at the cost of Sears, as the driver told me this was okay. I think that attitude is totally sick, as that is what drives up the prices of product and now I had to wait for the replacement. I have had many incidents with UPS but never with the USPS. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47899	From: Glenn	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE

Our discussion 10 years ago bogged down with marketing through Wal-Marts, who wanted 10,000 sets for less than $100 thus you see them sell G and HO from Yugoslavia for $29.95 and they break out of the box or last a day. I don't see many young children handling HO and keeping it on the track. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: <don@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <dphobbies@...> Cc: <robint@...>; <don@...> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: WHAT DO WE NEED IN "S?" SET PRICE This is pretty interesting e-mail i am reading using the free WiFi in Hong Kong airport as I wait for my flight to Bangkok. If you are setting prices for a product you need to consider a few things. One thing you are missing is how you are planning on marketing your S gauge train sets. Although you can price your S gauge train set to keep your margins (profits) to a break even point, trust me, your distributors and hobby shops will not feel the same way. If you are lucky, you could set your wholesale price in the $60 to $75 dollar range. Now what kind of sent can you put together for that cost? With a loop of track, transformer, engine and a few cars. Our S scale starter sets are pretty much break even at our distributor cost (Walthers). But, we use items that the tooling has been paid for as well as the production costs. If you are starting out, you do not have that option, so you have to pay for the tooling too. That would cause your retail price to go up. Although cheap stuff with less detail may seem to sell well, look what happen to K-Line. Like my mentor Ron Sebastian warned me a decade ago, "Rule number one...Don't give away the store".<br> We thought we were quite successful with our starter sets with the lowest MSRP being $299.95. And that is for a 4 car set, not three car set. This price allowed us to sell to our distributor as well as hobby shops with enough profit so they were willing to stock them and not just custom order. Do our sets have lots of detail and maybe too much? Maybe, be we sold lots to AF grandparents and the re-orders from the new S families made them a good investment. Plus, a body with cast on everything cost no more with than one with all of the detail attachments spotted on the tool. So, the savings is not that great and the market for non train sets is not as great as a quality car intended for everyone.<br> Well good luck with your new company and let me know if you need any additional free advice.<br> Goodbye from Hong Kong,<br> Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47900	From: Glenn	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Upgradeable Starter Set

Also pretty much to S scale is the Disney Monorail and you can buy track extensions and a monorail turnout. Try to get that battery operated motor from Disney. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Vivamus To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Upgradeable Starter Set Let me weigh in, from someone fairly new to S, on what I think of as a "starter set". I just bought an HO set for my nephew for Christmas. It included an oval track, transformer, locomotive, 4 cars, caboose, some plastic figures, and a couple of scenery pieces. It was $29.95 (on sale,) regularly $59.95. Yes, plastic wheels, but it looked pretty cool, and the brass track had standard connectors. When an adult is looking at buying a toy train set for a child, that's the kind of thing that will grab them. Cheap, nice looking, and runs out of the box. Scale? What does that really matter, when you are getting a child hooked on trains? Everyone is different, but I would not buy a Thomas the Tank Engine working train. Those are great for the wooden toy tracks (my son still has his huge collection of them,) but I think, if you are talking about getting a child "into" model trains, that you are going to have more success with a somewhat realistic (emphasis on the somewhat) model train. There are two very good reasons for this. The first and most obvious one is that the more it looks like a real train, the more it will make them interested in other "real-looking" trains. The less obvious (but perhaps more important one) is that they don't have to throw away the starter set to build on it, and if the set has standard track pieces, you can add on from there. I very much agree that S needs to have a cheap starter set, and I very much agree that it needs to be under $100. A set like the $59.95 one in S should be doable for that, but the problem is that it takes mass production to make a set that cheap, and you are competing with $59.95 (and sometimes $29.95) HO sets. So, how can it be done? Here's an idea. I don't know if this is feasible, but I think it should be. Maybe some of those on the manufacturing side can weigh in here. The idea is free for the taking for anyone who wants to use it. Make a starter set that has standard, expandable track -- SHS track or something like snap track. Include the basic set of cheap but cool-looking plastic rolling stock with plastic wheels. For power, however, use a battery-powered locomotive with plastic wheels, just like in the wooden toy tracks. Make it look real, just like the cars and caboose. With a battery powered loco, you could cut production costs in half, it seems to me. No transformer, no wires, and instant setup. Even someone terrified of electrical circuits can set it up in five minutes and be running. Best of all, you can sell other cheap replacement locos, more (standard) track components, and the maximum upgrade: A transformer and powered loco, that lets you add on lighted cars, dinging crossing guards, and all sorts of cool stuff that makes kids eyes light up. Note that this upgrade path is not possible if you don't start out with standard metal track. From a manufacturing perspective, it would be very tempting to use super-cheap plastic track, but that loses the upgrade path, and makes it necessary to throw out everything you have to upgrade. For marketing, you have to make the track so it can be upgraded. Eventually, the battery-powered train may have a place of honor in some old man's layout, sitting on a siding because it isn't up to prototypical operations, but there because it was the train that got him hooked. What do you think? Brian Groover _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of A. E. Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Starter Set Price What constitutes a starter set? It will be impossible to price out a starter set unless we know what is in it. Don't forget that eventhough we life in larger, much more sprowling houses, the houses of our youth had a basement or attic that we couild start our "empires" in and dream of going somewhere. I have wantged to add a room to my house just ffor use as a train room. I am about to settle for part of the garage. The costs have brought me to my knees. I have the set that Dad bought at Christmas 1947. I picked up a similar set some five years ago and I have quite a bit of stuff we added every year at Christmas. I really look forward to this. But knowing Dad, he may have bought a "starter" set for $30 or $40 back then. What does that translate to today? $500? You don't get much in plastic toys today for $30 oir $40. And I doubt if anyone could market at street level an oval with a real low level detailed locomotive for less than $200. It will take someone with more entreprenuership than I have to figure out where the market is and what pricing it will stand. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: 3/5/2008 6:38 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47901	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: STARTER SETS

I forgot one way to get a starter set. The ON30 sets are in a good price range & would get someone started. Guidance would be needed as to it being S narrow. Just a thought. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47902	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

What S needs most is a complete interchangeable track system, one that has equivalents to every item Atlas makes for their code 100 HO track. Vic Bereskin Hi All, I can’t resist AM flex and SHS flex are 100% interchangeable. The codes might equate a little differently from Atlas code 100, but that’s to accommodate the Am Flyer flanges. If everyone agreed to change out their AF wheelsets for SHS replacements a lot of trackwork would be simpler. However, we know that is not going to happen. As for turnouts and trackwork, what are you looking for? If you are happy with the toy train closing frog design, there is a pile of stuff out there – I know BK has a lot to offer in this line. If you are looking for something a bit more realistic with open frogs, please have a look at my web site (there’s videos now). We might have everything yet, but the list is growing. Although in might not be of interest to this list, our products also allow for scale operation, without any modification. Now, if you are straight Flyer, you probably don’t care about most of this, but you too have options. American S Gauge has Flyer type (code) track and switches. Again, it seems to be a case of support rather than availability. My 2¢ anyway, Tom Stoltz Tom’s Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47903	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

It is traditional to have this discussion on a regular basis. Most folks seem to miss the vital, marketing point. It is clear to me that there is no S-Scale mousetrap that will be sufficiently better so as to attract the sales volume required for the wide variety and very low prices the many, vocal members seek. What we need is a Saturday Morning cartoon show which expands to play weekdays, after school in the late afternoon. This show must feature trains of only s-gauge and demonstrate the evil of any other size while extolling the clearly superior moral quality of 1/64th trains, track, accessories, buildings. It would be best if each engine, station, passenger or freight car can be unfolded and reshaped into an action figure with pose-able limbs and optional weapons. Intergalactic origins are desirable, but, not required. Good Luck with that, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Stoltz Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What do we need in S? What S needs most is a complete interchangeable track system, one that has equivalents to every item Atlas makes for their code 100 HO track. Vic Bereskin Hi All, I can't resist. AM flex and SHS flex are 100% interchangeable. The codes might . And many suggestions about rolling stock or engines each of which will each sell 15 copies. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47904	From: John Degnan	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Naah... that'll never work... because S scalers have too many varieties of products... those ones that actually look like a real train and the toys on the other side of the fence. And since one cannot run well on the other's track... well... there you go... another brick wall. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What do we need in S? What S needs most is a complete interchangeable track system, one that has equivalents to every item Atlas makes for their code 100 HO track. Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47905	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: AM Couplers

I have two sets of AM couplers that I do not need. If anyone wants them, let me know. Just sent me a proper mailer with postage on it. They are fine, as I took them off of two new AM cars and replaced them with S Helper couplers. They are not in any packaging of course. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47906	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: B&O RR Station

http://www.gazette.net/stories/030508/silvnew203841_32355.shtml Nice story on a RR Station in Silver Spring, MD. The station was built in 1945 by the B&O RR. It looks like a Plasticville Station as it replace a Victorian station built in 1873. Two stations in Brunswick and Point of Rocks, MD still exist. The station was to be torn down, but Montgomery County was able to take over the station for a the headquarters of it's Preservation Society. I used to go to this station in the 1960's all the time and watch trains go by, after music lessons at Dale Music in Silver Spring. My teacher was first chair clarinet for the Washington Ballet Orchestra. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47907	From: omahakid2003	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Does anyone have all the trains they want?

With all the discussion about what we need in S, I have often wondered: Is there anyone out there who has all the trains they want? For sure, I am not in that category, and by the way, since it was asked what is needed in S, here's my want list: For diesels, Alco switchers, especially an S2; Century 420's, 424's or 425's; General Electric B23-7's, B30-7's, U23B's and/or U30C's, Fairbanks Morse H10- 44 or H12-44 switchers, E8 or E9 B units (American Models might be able to help out there), GP38-2's (or anything GP30 or newer), SD40- 2's, SD40's, and/or SD45's, and a Baldwin road switcher like an AS16 or AS616. For steam, a 4-4-0 and old time cars, because a lot of people, especially those who are not railroad oriented, like them. (It's amazing how many Franklin sets are out in circulation.) Also a 2-8-4, 0-6-0, a smaller size 4-6-0, and maybe a 10 drivered steam loco like a 2-10-0 or 2-10-2. For freight cars, we're doing pretty well. For passenger cars, I like the idea of a Milwaukee Hiawatha, as was mentioned previously. Smooth side streamline passenger cars would be neat, too. We should be thankful for the equipment already produced, especially that made by American Models and S Helper Service. I rebuilt my S gauge layout last October with American Models (mostly their turnouts) and S Helper Service Flextrack and Showcase Line track, and California Roadbed Co. Homabed (or whatever it is). The trains run so much better on the new track than the Gilbert and Gargraves track they used to run on, that it's like a dream. The conversion was expensive but well worth it. I collect and run mostly AC Gilbert trains, but had some AM and SHS equipment and intend to buy more. I'm hardly a fan of Lionel, but sometimes they do things right, as with their 2-8-2. (I've learned to look first before considering buying Lionel.) As for a cheap starter set - strictly for toy value, remaking the old Casey Jones 4-4-0 might work. There were so many of them made that finding an old one is pretty easy, though, and maybe that's not such a great idea. I wonder how many Lionel would sell, and how many collectors would buy it just because they collect everything made. Ertl made a farm set for $50 or less with a Soo Line GP35 and 3 freight cars, a bunch of plastic track, farm buildings, etc. Maybe someone could look into getting that remade and released again. That was a cheap set, certainly made for kids! Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47908	From: mlprell	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: 751 Log Loader

Since starting my quest to restore an old 751 Log Loader that I bought on e-Bay, I've come to learn through several comments sent by several members of this group that no "exploded" diagrams exist for stuff made before 1950. OK, fine. My question becomes, what does one do, or who does one consult in the obtaining of vital information such as parts and their numbers, diagrams, including wiring and mechanical including how rto re-string the beast once all its parts are in place. Surely someone must have answers to this series of questions.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47909	From: bcgsteam	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: BC&G Website

I thought there might be some interest among the group in a website I've built. I model the Buffalo Creek & Gauley, a steam-powered shortline in West Virginia and over the years I've collected alot of information to support my modeling. I wanted to share the information about the prototype with others in hopes that someone else might like to build a layout depicting the BC&G. I also hoped I might hear from folks with first-hand information about the railroad or maybe even others who were modeling it. As you'll see, both things have happened. The site is www.buffalocreekandgauley.com. Websites are quite easy to create and relatively inexpensive. They are a great way to share your knowledge of our hobby with folks around the world.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47910	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: (no subject)

Brian Groover wrote: I just bought an HO set for my nephew for Christmas. It included an oval track, transformer, locomotive, 4 cars, caboose, some plastic figures, and a couple of scenery pieces. It was $29.95 (on sale,) regularly $59.95. Yes, plastic wheels, but it looked pretty cool, and the brass track had standard connectors. When an adult is looking at buying a toy train set for a child, that's the kind of thing that will grab them. Cheap, nice looking, and runs out of the box. Scale? What does that really matter, when you are getting a child hooked on trains? ############################################################ Unfortunately, this is just the type of set that chases kids away from trains. They cannot get it on the track, cannot uncouple the cars, and within 2 weeks the cheap locomotive get carpet fibers into the mechanism or the cheap power pack fails. These are cheap sets for a reason: they are made extremely cheaply. When they no longer work, kids get discouraged about toy trains. I tell parents who want to go this route (despite the coupler and car-on-track problems) to go ahead and buy the cheap set at Toys 'R Us, Target, Wally world, or whatever, then throw away the power pack and locomotive and go to the hobby store and purchase an Atlas (or similar loco) and a good power supply. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47911	From: Vivamus	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: BC&G Website

Nice website! May I suggest that you would want to include something about it on the Model Train Wiki? If you don't mind others helping you with the content, maybe you would want to move or copy some or all of the content there. Depending on how you wanted to do it, it might fit best in Personal Layouts (http://www.modeltrainwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=112) or in Model Train-related Websites (http://www.modeltrainwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=113). Let me know if you want to do it, but need assistance. Brian Groover www.ModelTrainWiki.com _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bcgsteam Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:20 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] BC&G Website I thought there might be some interest among the group in a website I've built. . . . The site is www.buffalocreekandgauley.com. Websites are quite easy to create and relatively inexpensive. They are a great way to share your knowledge of our hobby with folks around the world. . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=26283/grpspId=1706533818/msgId=4 7909/stime=1204899855/nc1=4507179/nc2=5170419/nc3=5191953> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47912	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)

I have gone the more expensive route and purchased 3 starter sets from SHS for 3 cousins with young children. And then added an AF steam loco, switches, and more cars on succeeding Christmas's. But I bet most of us could do a fairly cheap starter train set from surplus trains and track that we have. - Earl Henry, Nashville =================== In a message dated 3/7/2008 10:42:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes: Brian Groover wrote: I just bought an HO set for my nephew for Christmas. It included an oval track, transformer, locomotive, 4 cars, caboose, some plastic figures, and a couple of scenery pieces. It was $29.95 (on sale,) regularly $59.95. Yes, plastic wheels, but it looked pretty cool, and the brass track had standard connectors. When an adult is looking at buying a toy train set for a child, that's the kind of thing that will grab them. Cheap, nice looking, and runs out of the box. Scale? What does that really matter, when you are getting a child hooked on trains? ############################################################ Unfortunately, this is just the type of set that chases kids away from trains. They cannot get it on the track, cannot uncouple the cars, and within 2 weeks the cheap locomotive get carpet fibers into the mechanism or the cheap power pack fails. These are cheap sets for a reason: they are made extremely cheaply. When they no longer work, kids get discouraged about toy trains. I tell parents who want to go this route (despite the coupler and car-on-track problems) to go ahead and buy the cheap set at Toys 'R Us, Target, Wally world, or whatever, then throw away the power pack and locomotive and go to the hobby store and purchase an Atlas (or similar loco) and a good power supply. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ############American American Models ############<WBR>##### _joestrainrepair@joestrain_ (mailto:joestrainrepair@...) Master Card/Visa honored **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47913	From: Glenn	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: BC&G Website

Interesting website the Model Train Wiki BUT it has hardly scratched the surface of S scale clubs, manufacturers or layouts. Check out http://www.nasg.org or http://www.portlines.com/ or http://www.showcaseline.com/ etc. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Vivamus To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] BC&G Website Nice website! May I suggest that you would want to include something about it on the Model Train Wiki? If you don't mind others helping you with the content, maybe you would want to move or copy some or all of the content there. Depending on how you wanted to do it, it might fit best in Personal Layouts (http://www.modeltrainwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=112) or in Model Train-related Websites (http://www.modeltrainwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=113). Let me know if you want to do it, but need assistance. Brian Groover www.ModelTrainWiki.com . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47914	From: Vivamus	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: BC&G Website

Yes, it is missing a lot -- but it's only two weeks old, and it's pushing 400 pages. I've added something like 300 shops and clubs myself, but I know we are just beginning. The nice thing about a Wiki is that if it is missing something you know, it takes less time to add it yourself than it does to tell someone else about it. So, if you know of some S Scale clubs, shops, etc., not on there, PLEASE add them. nasg.org is already on there in a couple of places. I've already spoken with some people there about sponsoring part of the site. I'm hoping other national organizations will step up as well. The more the model train community takes ownership of the ModelTrainWiki, the more quickly it will become what it is designed to be, and what I think it eventually will be -- the central repository of model railroading information for everyone. So, if something is supposed to be on there but isn't, please add it! That's how a Wiki works. When we all do that, it grows with astonishing speed to something both comprehensive and amazingly useful. Brian Groover Administrator, The Model Train Wiki www.ModelTrainWiki.com _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:29 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BC&G Website Interesting website the Model Train Wiki BUT it has hardly scratched the surface of S scale clubs, manufacturers or layouts. Check out http://www.nasg <http://www.nasg.org> org or http://www.portline <http://www.portlines.com/> s.com/ or http://www.showcase <http://www.showcaseline.com/> line.com/ etc. Glenn . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=26283/grpspId=1706533818/msgId=4 7913/stime=1204911968/nc1=4507179/nc2=4025373/nc3=5191952> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47915	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: New run of Huisky Stack cars and SSA reefers

I just got my shipment of S Scale America Husky Stack cars and Reefers. The Husky Stack cars include ARZC in red (know the history of this one?), Trailer Train and TTX in paint-shop fresh yellow, and BN in red. The reefers are based on the Pacific Rail Shops kits and are the blue Pepper Packing Company and the orange Pacific Fruit Express with some variety of heralds - UP &/or SP. They have all the detail that we tediously applied when we built those PRS kits, now done for us and RTR. The trucks all have high-rail wheels, and an AF size coupler is body-mounted. The Husky Stack cars have to be specified, scale of high-rail when buying. The high-rail version, like the reefers above, has body-mounted AF-size couplers. It will be interesting to see how those cars with AF-type couplers body-mounted will work on high-rail and tinplate layouts. It is established in model railroading that, if you have not-too-sharp curves, running all body-mounted couplers is best. Having talgo couplers works fine being pulled forward, can be problematic pushing cars into a siding. But what they really caution against is a train with a mixture of talgo and body-mounted couplers. But if problems develop, it shouldn't be too hard to remove the body-mounted coupler and some brake pipe detail, and install AF-type talgo couplers from AM or SHS. See Des Plaines Hobbies or your local S dealer for these cars. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47916	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: What do we need in S?

Track Trips!!!!! and more track trips, and pressure sensitive trips, and block detection in a/c and other stuff to make my (yes, mine, i'm selfish) layout better. I want automation of everything!! I don't want or need more rolling stock or engines. Sure there are road names out Well, DALLEE has had products for years that will fill the bill. Let me know specifics. Jim Lyle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47917	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Ballast!!!!

Today I got a partial order of my ballast for my layout from Classic Trains. And it was delivered by the USPS along with my replacement of a bike shirt that I had to order as the shirt was cut off me at the hospital last year, after my fine bike accident. LOL, It raining today. Both boxes where at the door, nice and dry, in the plastic bag, the postal worker used to protect my ordered products. Not sopping wet like the one from UPS with train items in it. So, what can Brown do for me next! The Red White and Blue truck gets high marks from me. I got light and dark gray ballast, that I mixed 50/50. With my sample of roadbed that I have from Vinyl Roadbed, I put ballast on a piece of track and it looks great. Now all I need is the road bed to complete the layout. And I got my steam engines back from S Helper and they are smoking fine. For those on the S List I am having Doug Peck convert a AF Hudson to DCC with sound. I hope to get that at York in April. Why that is next month!! Time flies. So that is the latest from "my little town" as we cut into the song from Simon and Garfunkel and say goodbye for now. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47918	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Upgradeable Starter Set

In a message dated 3/6/2008 3:37:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, gartrain404@... writes: A set like the $59.95 one in S should be doable for that, but the problem is that it takes mass production to make a set that cheap, and you are competing with $59.95 (and sometimes $29.95) HO sets. So, how can it be done? I think attention should be paid to the current selling price of HO sets. As feedstock (oil and metal) prices skyrocket (don't forget freight) , so do the price of the HO goodies. Gone by several years are the 39.95 sets of yore. Last time I asked a distributor for such an animal I got a chuckle. I think exposing the public, as many of us do, with our travelling layouts or shows are the best way to "S"ell "S". The $299.95 of today price probably computes pretty closely to the $32.95 price of 1952. The interest level is gone. Only passenger service left is AMTRAK and some regional operations. AMTRAK makes the news because of faulty freight track or Congress trying to kill them off. Freight rails are busy, but, are far less than there once were. Computer games are easier, require far less thought and certainly less physical activity. Probably cheaper once the 'puter is paid for also. Jim "listening to the rain on the PENNSY Main" Lyle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47919	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader

get one of us that has one in working condition and is willing to answer questions and take photos. I'll volunteer. Worse yet I am an electrical engineer whose company has made electromechanical devices and has experience with a calipers and drafting programs to document parts for fabricating replacements. Bill Drake Central Virginia --- mlprell <mlprell@...> wrote: > Since starting my quest to restore an old 751 Log > Loader that I bought > on e-Bay, I've come to learn through several > comments sent by several > members of this group that no "exploded" diagrams > exist for stuff made > before 1950. OK, fine. My question becomes, what > does one do, or who > does one consult in the obtaining of vital > information such as parts > and their numbers, diagrams, including wiring and > mechanical including > how rto re-string the beast once all its parts are > in place. Surely > someone must have answers to this series of > questions. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47920	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Central PA Calendar

KEYSTONE Meet at St Philips in Millersville on Saturday Mar 8th, Open 9 AM for TCA Members, 10 AM for Public. I FORGOT to mention, the Men's group at St Philip's does a very nice Breakfast selection, reasonably priced, WITH a seating area. I think the guys are competing with the girls for fund raising honors--SO, support the guys. _rontrain@..._ (mailto:rontrain@...) is the Keystone Contact. CHARTER Day in PA--ALL museums owned by the State of PA are open FREE from 12 to 5 PM this Sunday, remember this as you adjust your clocks Sat PM. Museums include RRMPA in Strasburg, Landis Valley north of Lancaster, Cornwall Furnace in Lebanon Cty, etc. Also Sunday, the ATLANTIC Div holds their Train Show at the Plumbers Hall near Philly. NEXT Saturday the Harrisburg NRHS holds their 22nd Annual "Railroad Show and Collectors Market", opening at 9 AM. Tables are already sold out, you can find them at Steelworkers Union Hall, 200 Gibson St, Steelton, PA. Use Exit 44B from I-83, south on 19th St. IF you need a show just before York, head to Leesport Farmers Market (PA Rt 61) on Sunday April 6 (9 AM) for the RCTHS Annual Spring Show. RCTHS has held shows for years in the Fall, the Spring Show is the 5th Annual event. Non-affliliated, want tables??? contact _DaleM1955@..._ (mailto:DaleM1955@...) Jim "heading to the show" Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47921	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: SSA Reefers

I got a question off-list which might be worth answering on-list for those of you who have not been exposed to the Pacific Rail Shops' reefer kits. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: SSA Husky Stack cars and Reefers . . . . . . . . . . . . . what are the differences in the SSA reefers and the SHS reefers. I think the SHS reefers are so nice that I can't imagine wanting anything else. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------Response--------- In a word, the SSA reefers are of a latter era. The S-Helper Service reefers have an all wood superstructure (except maybe things like door hinges) - wood roof, running board, ends, and sides, on a steel or iron fish-belly undeframe with what I believe is called K brakes. The info sheet that comes with the SHS reefers says its prototype was made from 1926 to 1933. The Pacific Rail Shop - now S Scale America - reefers represent externally all steel cars. All the above components on the PRS/SSA car are steel. The built-date on the one I pulled out as a sample, a Pacific Fruit Express R-40-23 car, is September 1947. It has the more modern brake system. What is common to both of these 40-foot cars is two ice hatches at each end of the roof and 2-part doors that swing out on three hinges each. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47922	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader

In a message dated 3/7/2008 5:58:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, ee_train@... writes: before 1950. OK, fine. My question becomes, what > does one do, or who > does one consult in the obtaining of vital > information such as parts > and their numbers, diagrams, including wiring and > mechanical including > how rto re-string the beast once all its parts are > in place. Surely > someone must have answers to this series of > questions. > STILL won't work well, definitely a hands on piece. Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47923	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Ballast!!!!

Michael 1. Hurrah for the safe delivery 2. Your ballast sounds great and on the new vinyl roadbed it will make one great layout. 3. No more accidents. 4. Glad that the Red White and Blue made a successful delivery 5. Super glad you got your Consolidations back from S Helper, what roads did you purchase? B & O, WM? etc???? 6. Can't wait to see pictures and of course from the new Nat Stadium Jerry Matsick Jacksonville Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Today I got a partial order of my ballast for my layout from Classic Trains. And it was delivered by the USPS along with my replacement of a bike shirt that I had to order as the shirt was cut off me at the hospital last year, after my fine bike accident. LOL, It raining today. Both boxes where at the door, nice and dry, in the plastic bag, the postal worker used to protect my ordered products. Not sopping wet like the one from UPS with train items in it. So, what can Brown do for me next! The Red White and Blue truck gets high marks from me. I got light and dark gray ballast, that I mixed 50/50. With my sample of roadbed that I have from Vinyl Roadbed, I put ballast on a piece of track and it looks great. Now all I need is the road bed to complete the layout. And I got my steam engines back from S Helper and they are smoking fine. For those on the S List I am having Doug Peck convert a AF Hudson to DCC with sound. I hope to get that at York in April. Why that is next month!! Time flies. So that is the latest from "my little town" as we cut into the song from Simon and Garfunkel and say goodbye for now. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47924	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: SSA Reefers

Dear Tom, I think if you model the era after WWII, both reefers would be seen in freight trains. Our SHS wood reefer was modeled after the 1926 40' NWX cars. Earlier reefers used individual grab irons and not ladders. I know I plan on adding a string of Ron's new reefers are soon as they are in. Best regards, Don Tom Hawley wrote: > what are the differences in the SSA reefers and the SHS reefers. I > think the SHS reefers are so nice that I can't imagine > wanting anything else. . . . . . . . > > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47925	From: michael prell	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader

Bill Sounds good to me. I guess I have a difficult time having been told that information doesn't exist and implying that it's a lost cause when I know it not to be. It is the generousity of folks such as you that keep people such as I interested. Thanks. I hope that we can work on this. Mike Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: get one of us that has one in working condition and is willing to answer questions and take photos. I'll volunteer. Worse yet I am an electrical engineer whose company has made electromechanical devices and has experience with a calipers and drafting programs to document parts for fabricating replacements. Bill Drake Central Virginia --- mlprell <mlprell@...> wrote: > Since starting my quest to restore an old 751 Log > Loader that I bought > on e-Bay, I've come to learn through several > comments sent by several > members of this group that no "exploded" diagrams > exist for stuff made > before 1950. OK, fine. My question becomes, what > does one do, or who > does one consult in the obtaining of vital > information such as parts > and their numbers, diagrams, including wiring and > mechanical including > how rto re-string the beast once all its parts are > in place. Surely > someone must have answers to this series of > questions. > > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47926	From: petersbob55	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Ballast!!!!

An interesting ballast can be found in those hand and foot warmers us northern folks may have. I save mine all winter long and use the contents as a ballast. Besides the material is powered iron. Bob Whiteface Mountain, NY (near lake Placid)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47927	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader

Greetings! Have a 751 that I restored a few years back....it is on the layout so I can get to it quickly and perhaps help answer questions. We are also starting to learn how to take and send phots, this would be good practice for me. Keep us posted on your needs. Best, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: mlprell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader Since starting my quest to restore an old 751 Log Loader that I bought on e-Bay, I've come to learn through several comments sent by several members of this group that no "exploded" diagrams exist for stuff made before 1950. OK, fine. My question becomes, what does one do, or who does one consult in the obtaining of vital information such as parts and their numbers, diagrams, including wiring and mechanical including how rto re-string the beast once all its parts are in place. Surely someone must have answers to this series of questions. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47928	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: SSA Reefers

Don, Are you home and anything you can tell us about your trip. O:)! Anyway, welcome home when you come and rest up. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: SSA Reefers Dear Tom, I think if you model the era after WWII, both reefers would be seen in freight trains. Our SHS wood reefer was modeled after the 1926 40' NWX cars. Earlier reefers used individual grab irons and not ladders. I know I plan on adding a string of Ron's new reefers are soon as they are in. Best regards, Don Tom Hawley wrote: > what are the differences in the SSA reefers and the SHS reefers. I > think the SHS reefers are so nice that I can't imagine > wanting anything else. . . . . . . .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47929	From: michael prell	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader

Thanks, Charlie! I appreciate your input. Take care! charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote: Greetings! Have a 751 that I restored a few years back....it is on the layout so I can get to it quickly and perhaps help answer questions. We are also starting to learn how to take and send phots, this would be good practice for me. Keep us posted on your needs. Best, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: mlprell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader Since starting my quest to restore an old 751 Log Loader that I bought on e-Bay, I've come to learn through several comments sent by several members of this group that no "exploded" diagrams exist for stuff made before 1950. OK, fine. My question becomes, what does one do, or who does one consult in the obtaining of vital information such as parts and their numbers, diagrams, including wiring and mechanical including how rto re-string the beast once all its parts are in place. Surely someone must have answers to this series of questions. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47930	From: Ben Perry	Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: SSA Reefers

Greetings All; Wooden reefers ran well into the 60's. RS steel cars into the 70's. Some of the 40' steel cars were converted to mechanical reefers with the refrigeration unit placed in the former ice chamber. Won't get into 50' mechanical reefers as they are too modern despite the fact they have been operating for more than 50 years. Ron, how about a nice blue bodied Iowa Beef Packers (IBPX) 40' RS. They were very common on New Haven RR freights. I have seen them in HO with a yellow body, but the later prototypes had a blue body with the steer's head emblem. And that's no bull. Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: Don Thompson Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: SSA Reefers Dear Tom, I think if you model the era after WWII, both reefers would be seen in freight trains. Our SHS wood reefer was modeled after the 1926 40' NWX cars. Earlier reefers used individual grab irons and not ladders. I know I plan on adding a string of Ron's new reefers are soon as they are in. Best regards, Don Tom Hawley wrote: > what are the differences in the SSA reefers and the SHS reefers. I > think the SHS reefers are so nice that I can't imagine > wanting anything else. . . . . . . .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47931	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas

Tom & Friend"S", I finally got the IR wooden hoppers (ore cars) done. Here is the link: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/027-wooden-hoppers-converted-2-S-scale.jpg.html All I did was install SHS trucks and Kadee 802 couplers. The hopper is an SHS rib-sided. Tom in this case, the cars are about an 1/8" narrower than the SHS hopper. ENJOY! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Industrial Rail by Atlas > I had a look at the Industrial Rail stuff at > http://www.atlaso.com/industrialrail.htm > and a lot of it looks like it has potential. But until you can really see > it in hand, you can't tell if it's right on for S, as the ATSF caboose > was, > or like so much O-27 product, off in some major way. Frequently Lionel > and > MTH O-27 cars are about right in height and length, but too wide to fit a > proper S outline. Some of the Industrial Rail cars I've seen are that way > too. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47932	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Praise for Banta

People frequently complain about this and that, me included. It is a lot more fun to praise people. I recently took it into my head to build the Banta Model Works Lizard Head Section house kit I had had around for awhile. As I gave it a close look, I realized that there was a defect on one of the scribed building sides. I made a scan of the side and sent it to Bill Banta to ask him if he could send me a replacement. He explained that it was a kit that was already in the lineup when he bought the Building and Structure Company, but he would be happy to make it right if I cold wait a couple weeks. I had waited years to get started so a few weeks was no problem. True to his promise, I received the corrected part earlier this week. Thank you, Bill. As soon as I build this one I need to pick out another of his kits to buy. Lance McCold Knoxville, TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47933	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Just a tidbit Fact.....while i repair some trains

Hey Guys,...you can see I got nothing better to do....while i repair and go through some stuff... Do you realize how early Easter is this year? It's March 23! As you may know, Easter is always the 1st Sunday after the 1st full moon after the Spring Equinox (which is March 20). This dating of Easter is based on the lunar calendar that Hebrew people used to identify Passover, which is why it moves around in date on our Roman based calendar. I found out a couple of things you might be interested in! Based on the above, Easter can actually be one day earlier (March 22) but that is pretty rare. Here's the interesting info. This year is the earliest Easter any of us will ever see the rest of our lives! And only the most elderly of our population have ever seen it this early (95 years old or above!). And none of us have ever, or will ever, see it a day earlier! Here's the facts: 1) The next time Easter will be this early (March 23) will be the year 2228 (220 years from now). 2) The last time it was this early was 1913 (so if you're 95 or older, you are the only ones that were around for that!). 3) The next time it will be a day earlier, March 22, will be in the year 2285 (277 years from now). 4) The last time it was on March 22 was 1818. So, no one alive today has or will ever see it any earlier than this year! Now GO PLAY with your Trains....Lay Track..##############################

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47934	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Advice

I guess I'm a collector between layouts. I'm in the process of rebuilding one. I recently was going to buy some different freight cars. These are some of the new SHS beer cars which I need to add to my collection which will support the brewery on my layout when I get around to finishing it. However they represent multiple brews and I only have one brewery. I guess I could build a distributor to handle multiple product cars. But I am beginning to think that I need to consolidate my buying splurges into say 10 cars of a single representative brew instead of a steady stream of individual artwork which I do indeed admire. I like the idea of multiple copies of cars making up part of a freight. It looks cool to have ten or twenty of the same brand on the train but at $40 to $50 each multiples of 10 quickly take away the amount of money that I have for new Challengers, Mikados, etc. I also understand that having certain businesses on a layout can drive quantity. So before I start on my buying spree, I would appreciate your opinions if you want to give them on buying strategies for purchasing in quantity same decoration cars or differently individually decorated cars over time. Regards, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47935	From: michael prell	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Just a tidbit Fact.....while i repair some trains

And everyone? Don't forget to set yer clocks ahead tonight so that y'all can keep yer trains runnin' on time and chat tomorrow night! This has been a public service announcement from your friendly Second Chance RailRoad, Syracuse, New York. I thank you.<;>) "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote: Hey Guys,...you can see I got nothing better to do....while i repair and go through some stuff... Do you realize how early Easter is this year? It's March 23! As you may know, Easter is always the 1st Sunday after the 1st full moon after the Spring Equinox (which is March 20). This dating of Easter is based on the lunar calendar that Hebrew people used to identify Passover, which is why it moves around in date on our Roman based calendar. I found out a couple of things you might be interested in! Based on the above, Easter can actually be one day earlier (March 22) but that is pretty rare. Here's the interesting info. This year is the earliest Easter any of us will ever see the rest of our lives! And only the most elderly of our population have ever seen it this early (95 years old or above!). And none of us have ever, or will ever, see it a day earlier! Here's the facts: 1) The next time Easter will be this early (March 23) will be the year 2228 (220 years from now). 2) The last time it was this early was 1913 (so if you're 95 or older, you are the only ones that were around for that!). 3) The next time it will be a day earlier, March 22, will be in the year 2285 (277 years from now). 4) The last time it was on March 22 was 1818. So, no one alive today has or will ever see it any earlier than this year! Now GO PLAY with your Trains....Lay Track..############################## "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47936	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/9/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47937	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Advice

Hello Joe, SHS undecorated reefers and Clover House dry transfers give you the chance to have cars not available to anyone else ( Very Unique Beer Train ) . I lettered about six cars and they turned out great. It took a while to do which spread out the "spending" time a little, and the unlettered cars are usually available any time you want to pick them up. This also gives you the chance to number all your cars with a different road number. Dave. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47938	From: Andrew Buczko	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Does anyone have all the trains they want?

Well if you or anyone has EXTRA trains you can allways send them to me! hahahaha :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47939	From: michael prell	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Does anyone have all the trains they want?

Extra trains? We ain't got no EXTRA trains!!! But nice try anyway. So, what's your specialty? Pre or post? Gilbert or Flyonel? :>) Andrew Buczko <A4S8B7@...> wrote: Well if you or anyone has EXTRA trains you can allways send them to me! hahahaha :) "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47940	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Gilford Station

I have a Gilford Station that runs clock wise when it runs. It seems that the ones I have seen run go counter clock wise. Which is correct and how can I fix the one I have if it works backwards? Thanks Clifford Manning Topeka, KS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47941	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Gilford Station

Clifford, The direction the figures move, depends on the angle of the fibers on the bottom of them. The same is true on the cattle for the stockyard. If you look at the bottom, the fibers should be at approx. a 20 degree angle in relation to a straight line axis down the middle, and notice that they are also angled toward the back. If you look at the bottom with the front of the cow or person figure facing away from you, brown cows and people should be angled 20 degrees left and black cows 20 degrees right. This angle determines clockwise and counter-clockwise movement. Hope this helps, if not Email me off-line and I will try and send you a sketch. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: clifma19@...: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 23:00:48 -0500Subject: [S-Trains] Gilford Station I have a Gilford Station that runs clock wise when it runs. It seems that the ones I have seen run go counter clock wise.Which is correct and how can I fix the one I have if it works backwards?ThanksClifford ManningTopeka, KS _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47942	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Gilford Station

Clockwise is appropriate... Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 03/08/2008 9:07:17 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, clifma19@... writes: I have a Gilford Station that runs clock wise when it runs. It seems that the ones I have seen run go counter clock wise. Which is correct and how can I fix the one I have if it works backwards? Thanks Clifford Manning Topeka, KS **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47943	From: teeb_1	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Just a tidbit Fact.....while i repair some trains

From another with time to spare (as if we really ever have that - we each only get so much - ALL ABOARD!) ... According to Snopes (my favorite hoax debunker) the next time Easter will be on 3/22 is actually 2160 - still no one alive today is likely to be around to see it. But it will hit again in 2228. (See http://www.snopes.com/holidays/easter/earlyeaster.asp) On the plus side ... The odds are considerably better for witnessing a late Easter. Many people are still around from the last time Easter fell on April 25, an event which took place in 1943, and a good many people here today will likely still be around when Easter next falls on April 25, which will occur in 2038. Perhaps more to the point, will there still be folks around modeling steamers on these distant future dates? Better yet, maybe some technological efficiency breakthrough will bring 'em back ... hydrogen fueled hybrid steam generation? The antigravity air cars I was promised as a kid don't seem to have made it yet - maybe we will go back to get to the future. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote: > > Hey Guys,...you can see I got nothing better to do....while i repair > and go through some stuff... > > Do you realize how early Easter is this year? It's March 23! As you > may know, Easter is always the 1st Sunday after the 1st full moon > after the Spring Equinox (which is March 20). > > This dating of Easter is based on the lunar calendar that Hebrew > people used to identify Passover, which is why it moves around in > date on our Roman based calendar. > > I found out a couple of things you might be interested in! > > Based on the above, Easter can actually be one day earlier (March 22) > but that is pretty rare. Here's the interesting info. This year is > the earliest Easter any of us will ever see the rest of our lives! > And only the most elderly of our population have ever seen it this > early (95 years old or above!). And none of us have ever, or will > ever, see it a day earlier! > > Here's the facts: > > 1) The next time Easter will be this early (March 23) will be the > year 2228 (220 years from now). > > 2) The last time it was this early was 1913 (so if you're 95 or > older, you are the only ones that were around for that!). > > 3) The next time it will be a day earlier, March 22, will be in the > year 2285 (277 years from now). > > 4) The last time it was on March 22 was 1818. > > So, no one alive today has or will ever see it any earlier than this > year! > > Now GO PLAY with your Trains....Lay > Track..############################## >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47944	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice

Don't stop collecting those neat billboard cars! The beer distributor idea will work. And just as today, breweries often brewed more than one brand, so having different cars at the brewery is prototypical to some extent. Also, there were fewer billboard cars than most people think. No one had hundreds of billboard cars, and some companies had only one billboard car! While Coors and Budwiser had dozens of cars, a small brewery might have a few or just one. Putting regular reefers at a brewery or distributor are actually more prototypical than having billboard cars. In the pre-prohabition days, every town of size had an independant brewery or two because beer tended to go stale quickly and there were high numbers of consumption to keep them going. Locally, there were nearly a dozen brewers in a fifty mile radius to keep all the steel workers and coal miners supplied! As far as I know, none had their own railroad cars. None survived the back to back slam of Prohabition and Depression. I've always thought it would be cool to letter up some cars for these "fallen flags" but I've haven't gotten around to it yet. Prototype aside, billboard cars, beer or other products, are a nice change from the usual drab parade of dark colored rolling stock. Keep gathering them up! Stumpy Stone...snowy and cold...again...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47945	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice

Dear Stumpy, I am not so sure of your statement below. Although 3.2% beer and light wine was legal again after March 23, 1933, we have many reefer drawings and pictures of beer cars that were around after this date. Remember, the ICC did not outlaw billboard reefers until July 1, 1934 and the reefer companies did not have to paint over the cars for 5 years. This gave the reefer companies over a year and a half to again paint beer reefers. Don http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States Stumpy Stone wrote: > ...None survived the back to back slam of Prohabition and Depression. > Stumpy Stone...snowy and cold...again...in Martins Ferry, OH. > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47946	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Paint Booth

When I got my S Helper items of two steam engines and the Lenz system, it came in a really big box. I am in the process of making a rare University of Maryland Terrapin box car, with a white body and a red roof. Tom Bianculli was so kind to make me some MD decals for the car. In my order from S Helper I got a unfinished box car. I needed a way to spray the car with the paint without getting paint on other things. Why, the large S Helper shipping box is perfect for a Paint Spray Booth!!! Yes, I put gray primer on it and the car looks wonderful just with the primer on it ! LOL So, I spent 1400 with S Helper to get a FREE paint spray booth. I see in Walters catalog you can buy a booth for like 400. Heck, a big cardboard box is all you need. This is how they do it at Lionel right? Today, the MD White paint goes on the car!! And when it is all done, I will take the car to York for the photo session of unusual item. I will tell the person in charge that this is a rare unnumbered 1958 AF U of MD box car prototype that never was done. If AC Gilbert made the NCAA collectors series they would still be in business today. Just kidding as that would of been unheard of them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47947	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth

Mike..... Sorry but the big box is Not That Good....... That 400.00 booth is much better.... The box allows all the Harmful fumes to come back into the air and into your lungs.... The real spray booths, FOR MODELS, ETC. Have a fan system to dram the poluted air thru FILTERS to remove the PARTICLES that are harmful before allowing the air back out again...... Bob -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- When I got my S Helper items of two steam engines and the Lenz system, it came in a really big box. I am in the process of making a rare University of Maryland Terrapin box car, with a white body and a red roof. Tom Bianculli was so kind to make me some MD decals for the car. In my order from S Helper I got a unfinished box car. I needed a way to spray the car with the paint without getting paint on other things. Why, the large S Helper shipping box is perfect for a Paint Spray Booth!!! Yes, I put gray primer on it and the car looks wonderful just with the primer on it ! LOL So, I spent 1400 with S Helper to get a FREE paint spray booth. I see in Walters catalog you can buy a booth for like 400. Heck, a big cardboard box is all you need. This is how they do it at Lionel right? Today, the MD White paint goes on the car!! And when it is all done, I will take the car to York for the photo session of unusual item. I will tell the person in charge that this is a rare unnumbered 1958 AF U of MD box car prototype that never was done. If AC Gilbert made the NCAA collectors series they would still be in business today. Just kidding as that would of been unheard of them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47948	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: RE;re; Advice

Don, and y'all.....I guess I wasn't clear. The local breweries around here didn't survive. Of course, Pittsburgh Brewing and those in the larger cities did! Who knows how many different brands of beer disappeared over the years, once local brewing was no longer necessary? Stumpy...clearing things up.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47949	From: Bob Anson	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train

Hey Mike, thought you might like to see a pic of a game train i did for a client a number of years ago. i put it in the files section under game train. Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: When I got my S Helper items of two steam engines and the Lenz system, it came in a really big box. I am in the process of making a rare University of Maryland Terrapin box car, with a white body and a red roof. Tom Bianculli was so kind to make me some MD decals for the car. In my order from S Helper I got a unfinished box car. I needed a way to spray the car with the paint without getting paint on other things. Why, the large S Helper shipping box is perfect for a Paint Spray Booth!!! Yes, I put gray primer on it and the car looks wonderful just with the primer on it ! LOL So, I spent 1400 with S Helper to get a FREE paint spray booth. I see in Walters catalog you can buy a booth for like 400. Heck, a big cardboard box is all you need. This is how they do it at Lionel right? Today, the MD White paint goes on the car!! And when it is all done, I will take the car to York for the photo session of unusual item. I will tell the person in charge that this is a rare unnumbered 1958 AF U of MD box car prototype that never was done. If AC Gilbert made the NCAA collectors series they would still be in business today. Just kidding as that would of been unheard of them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Bob Anson %~) --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47950	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Made in U.S.A.!

With all the wishes flying around for a new "S" starter set, the only real wish I would have is that ANY new starter set have "Made in the U.S.A." stamped clearly and proudly on the bottom. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47951	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Daylight Savings Time and Trains

For those of you who missed this on NPR, did you know that Daylight Savings Time begins at 2 am on a Sunday because of trains!!!! That's right, when DST was first proposed, they wanted the time change to disrupt as few people as possible. Since the reailroads were the modal means of transportation then, they looked to the railroads for guidance. Railroads depended heavily on schedules to allow for passing trains, interchange, etc. Therefore, the question was asked: When are there the fewest trains running at any time during a week? The answer was 2 am on Sunday. So, this is the time that was adopted. Coincidentally, early Sunday morning is also the time of the week when the fewest people are working. As an aside, there was a story of a riot in Ohio because of DST. It seems that bars there closed at 2:30 am, so the institution of DST at 2 am (which instantly became 3 am) caused some serious bar patrons to lose 30 minutes of drinking time, causing them to go out into the streets and riot. I guess they werre too drunk to realize that DST would give them and extra 30 minutes of drinking time in the Fall. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47952	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth

That's what I have used for years. It's really portable too. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 03/09/2008 10:05:42 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: When I got my S Helper items of two steam engines and the Lenz system, it came in a really big box. I am in the process of making a rare University of Maryland Terrapin box car, with a white body and a red roof. Tom Bianculli was so kind to make me some MD decals for the car. In my order from S Helper I got a unfinished box car. I needed a way to spray the car with the paint without getting paint on other things. Why, the large S Helper shipping box is perfect for a Paint Spray Booth!!! Yes, I put gray primer on it and the car looks wonderful just with the primer on it ! LOL So, I spent 1400 with S Helper to get a FREE paint spray booth. I see in Walters catalog you can buy a booth for like 400. Heck, a big cardboard box is all you need. This is how they do it at Lionel right? Today, the MD White paint goes on the car!! And when it is all done, I will take the car to York for the photo session of unusual item. I will tell the person in charge that this is a rare unnumbered 1958 AF U of MD box car prototype that never was done. If AC Gilbert made the NCAA collectors series they would still be in business today. Just kidding as that would of been unheard of them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47953	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth

Thanks Bob as I did not realize that part of it. Since this is probably the over car I will paint, I think I will be fine. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: rcon7@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; steve.conard@... ; Jeff Snell ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery Cc: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Booth Mike..... Sorry but the big box is Not That Good....... That 400.00 booth is much better.... The box allows all the Harmful fumes to come back into the air and into your lungs.... The real spray booths, FOR MODELS, ETC. Have a fan system to dram the poluted air thru FILTERS to remove the PARTICLES that are harmful before allowing the air back out again...... Bob -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- When I got my S Helper items of two steam engines and the Lenz system, it came in a really big box. I am in the process of making a rare University of Maryland Terrapin box car, with a white body and a red roof. Tom Bianculli was so kind to make me some MD decals for the car. In my order from S Helper I got a unfinished box car. I needed a way to spray the car with the paint without getting paint on other things. Why, the large S Helper shipping box is perfect for a Paint Spray Booth!!! Yes, I put gray primer on it and the car looks wonderful just with the primer on it ! LOL So, I spent 1400 with S Helper to get a FREE paint spray booth. I see in Walters catalog you can buy a booth for like 400. Heck, a big cardboard box is all you need. This is how they do it at Lionel right? Today, the MD White paint goes on the car!! And when it is all done, I will take the car to York for the photo session of unusual item. I will tell the person in charge that this is a rare unnumbered 1958 AF U of MD box car prototype that never was done. If AC Gilbert made the NCAA collectors series they would still be in business today. Just kidding as that would of been unheard of them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47954	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Resin kit painting

Anyone know the best primer to use on the resin kits? Thanks, Dave. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47955	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train

Hi Bob, I went to photos section and I did not see a "game train" listing. Are these on some other website? thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Anson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train Hey Mike, thought you might like to see a pic of a game train i did for a client a number of years ago. i put it in the files section under game train. Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: When I got my S Helper items of two steam engines and the Lenz system, it came in a really big box. I am in the process of making a rare University of Maryland Terrapin box car, with a white body and a red roof. Tom Bianculli was so kind to make me some MD decals for the car. In my order from S Helper I got a unfinished box car. I needed a way to spray the car with the paint without getting paint on other things. Why, the large S Helper shipping box is perfect for a Paint Spray Booth!!! Yes, I put gray primer on it and the car looks wonderful just with the primer on it ! LOL So, I spent 1400 with S Helper to get a FREE paint spray booth. I see in Walters catalog you can buy a booth for like 400. Heck, a big cardboard box is all you need. This is how they do it at Lionel right? Today, the MD White paint goes on the car!! And when it is all done, I will take the car to York for the photo session of unusual item. I will tell the person in charge that this is a rare unnumbered 1958 AF U of MD box car prototype that never was done. If AC Gilbert made the NCAA collectors series they would still be in business today. Just kidding as that would of been unheard of them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Bob Anson %~) --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47956	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth

Thanks Steve, as Bob just reminded me about the flumes I will suck in!!! Good point. But I think I will be okay on this one project. If I am successful, I will be painting those $100 dollar starter sets to put Don out of business! Just kidding Don!!!!! I know better. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Booth That's what I have used for years. It's really portable too. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 03/09/2008 10:05:42 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: When I got my S Helper items of two steam engines and the Lenz system, it came in a really big box. I am in the process of making a rare University of Maryland Terrapin box car, with a white body and a red roof. Tom Bianculli was so kind to make me some MD decals for the car. In my order from S Helper I got a unfinished box car. I needed a way to spray the car with the paint without getting paint on other things. Why, the large S Helper shipping box is perfect for a Paint Spray Booth!!! Yes, I put gray primer on it and the car looks wonderful just with the primer on it ! LOL So, I spent 1400 with S Helper to get a FREE paint spray booth. I see in Walters catalog you can buy a booth for like 400. Heck, a big cardboard box is all you need. This is how they do it at Lionel right? Today, the MD White paint goes on the car!! And when it is all done, I will take the car to York for the photo session of unusual item. I will tell the person in charge that this is a rare unnumbered 1958 AF U of MD box car prototype that never was done. If AC Gilbert made the NCAA collectors series they would still be in business today. Just kidding as that would of been unheard of them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47957	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth

Mike, those $100 sets will have to have a few added costs, EPA Permits, OSHA , & who knows what else. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47958	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting

If your item is plastic, Weavers make a paint just for plastic. You might ask them about the resin. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: YardMasterModels@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Resin kit painting Anyone know the best primer to use on the resin kits? Thanks, Dave. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47959	From: James Hannawald	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train

Mike, Look in the "Files" section - it is one sharp looking engine Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train Hi Bob, I went to photos section and I did not see a "game train" listing. Are these on some other website? thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Anson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train Hey Mike, thought you might like to see a pic of a game train i did for a client a number of years ago. i put it in the files section under game train. Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: When I got my S Helper items of two steam engines and the Lenz system, it came in a really big box. I am in the process of making a rare University of Maryland Terrapin box car, with a white body and a red roof. Tom Bianculli was so kind to make me some MD decals for the car. In my order from S Helper I got a unfinished box car. I needed a way to spray the car with the paint without getting paint on other things. Why, the large S Helper shipping box is perfect for a Paint Spray Booth!!! Yes, I put gray primer on it and the car looks wonderful just with the primer on it ! LOL So, I spent 1400 with S Helper to get a FREE paint spray booth. I see in Walters catalog you can buy a booth for like 400. Heck, a big cardboard box is all you need. This is how they do it at Lionel right? Today, the MD White paint goes on the car!! And when it is all done, I will take the car to York for the photo session of unusual item. I will tell the person in charge that this is a rare unnumbered 1958 AF U of MD box car prototype that never was done. If AC Gilbert made the NCAA collectors series they would still be in business today. Just kidding as that would of been unheard of them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Bob Anson %~) --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47960	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/9/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 9, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47961	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice

So what we need is an S Scale model of a brewery and we would have the perfect layout - does anyone make such a thing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Advice > Don't stop collecting those neat billboard cars! The beer > distributor idea will work. And just as today, breweries often brewed > more than one brand, so having different cars at the brewery is > prototypical to some extent. > Also, there were fewer billboard cars than most people think. No one > had hundreds of billboard cars, and some companies had only one > billboard car! While Coors and Budwiser had dozens of cars, a small > brewery might have a few or just one. > Putting regular reefers at a brewery or distributor are actually more > prototypical than having billboard cars. In the pre-prohabition days, > every town of size had an independant brewery or two because beer > tended to go stale quickly and there were high numbers of consumption > to keep them going. Locally, there were nearly a dozen brewers in a > fifty mile radius to keep all the steel workers and coal miners > supplied! As far as I know, none had their own railroad cars. None > survived the back to back slam of Prohabition and Depression. I've > always thought it would be cool to letter up some cars for > these "fallen flags" but I've haven't gotten around to it yet. > Prototype aside, billboard cars, beer or other products, are a nice > change from the usual drab parade of dark colored rolling stock. Keep > gathering them up! > Stumpy Stone...snowy and cold...again...in Martins Ferry, OH. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47962	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train

Thanks Jim, as I went to the photo section! Bob sent me a email and I found it! very nice. I will have to contract him to do one for MD. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: James Hannawald To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train Mike, Look in the "Files" section - it is one sharp looking engine Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47963	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth

Mike, Rats, I am out of business already. Don, you can sleep well tonight. I know, how about a cheap O gauge set for under $100. Oh Mr. Wolf and Mr. Young!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Booth Mike, those $100 sets will have to have a few added costs, EPA Permits, OSHA , & who knows what else. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47964	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting

Look for a product by MR Hobby called Mr. Resin primer/surfacer You can find it at hobby shops that cater to resin car transkits and figures. Bob H. YardMasterModels@... wrote: Anyone know the best primer to use on the resin kits? Thanks, Dave. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47965	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice Don Tompson

Don, I sent the message below to you on Friday, and haven't recieved a reply. I notice you are following the list so am hoping to get a reply before I leave town. ****Message Below ********** Saw a note on the s-trains list that someone got their Gunderson cars. I was wondering if you had a ship date for mine. I am leaving town on the 12th and won't get back until the 16th. Would hate to find out you shipped them during this time frame without me knowing. Mark Kiner BTW I never did get any 00295 or 00005 couplers. I responded saying I didn't care if they were in blister packs and never heard another word. -----Original Message----- From: Don Thompson [mailto:don@...] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:02 AM To: mwk@... Cc: robint@... Subject: Re: The Showcase Line by S Helper Service Order Confirmation 2002-7279-5552 Dear Mark, I have some that are bulk packaged and not blistered. Is this OK? Don Mark Kiner wrote: So what is going to happen here? Are you still going to ship them? Do you have 00295's or not? What about the 00005's? Your web site still shows them both available. MK -----Original Message----- From: Don Thompson [mailto:don@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:07 PM To: robint@... Cc: mwk@... Subject: Re: The Showcase Line by S Helper Service Order Confirmation 2002-7279-5552 Dear Robin, Mark has a problem. I thought we were out of #00295 SW AF comp. couplers. Please let Mark know. Best, Don Mark Kiner wrote: Got the order in today's mail. For some reason you shipped me A pack of 01295 KD style couplers. If you check my order you will find that is not what I ordered. What I ordered , and described on your packing slip is: 1) #00005 and 1) #00295 What do we do now? Mark -----Original Message----- From: The Showcase Line by S Helper Service [mailto:don@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:59 PM To: mwk@... Subject: The Showcase Line by S Helper Service Order Confirmation 2002-7279-5552 This is an automated message acknowledging successful initial processing of your order placed on the World Wide Web. You may check your order status by writing to: don@... For inquiries, please reference order# 2002-7279-5552 Visit us often at: http://www.showcaseline.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47966	From: Bob Anson	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train

thanks for the compliments...all the lettering was created in shop using Corel Draw and printed on my Alps printer. check out the IU on the front, its all handmade in brass, dont forget the Old Oaken bucket IU and Purdue wood fight over...notice the Is and Ps for wins.... and no im not an IU fan...LOL.... James Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: Mike, Look in the "Files" section - it is one sharp looking engine Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train Hi Bob, I went to photos section and I did not see a "game train" listing. Are these on some other website? thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Anson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train Hey Mike, thought you might like to see a pic of a game train i did for a client a number of years ago. i put it in the files section under game train. Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: When I got my S Helper items of two steam engines and the Lenz system, it came in a really big box. I am in the process of making a rare University of Maryland Terrapin box car, with a white body and a red roof. Tom Bianculli was so kind to make me some MD decals for the car. In my order from S Helper I got a unfinished box car. I needed a way to spray the car with the paint without getting paint on other things. Why, the large S Helper shipping box is perfect for a Paint Spray Booth!!! Yes, I put gray primer on it and the car looks wonderful just with the primer on it ! LOL So, I spent 1400 with S Helper to get a FREE paint spray booth. I see in Walters catalog you can buy a booth for like 400. Heck, a big cardboard box is all you need. This is how they do it at Lionel right? Today, the MD White paint goes on the car!! And when it is all done, I will take the car to York for the photo session of unusual item. I will tell the person in charge that this is a rare unnumbered 1958 AF U of MD box car prototype that never was done. If AC Gilbert made the NCAA collectors series they would still be in business today. Just kidding as that would of been unheard of them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Bob Anson %~) --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Bob Anson %~) --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47967	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train

BOB...... How much would a sheet on German swastikas cost in decals in various sizes..... I collect model a/c and these are always missing.... Bob C. -------------- Original message from Bob Anson <e2picasso@...>: -------------- thanks for the compliments...all the lettering was created in shop using Corel Draw and printed on my Alps printer. check out the IU on the front, its all handmade in brass, dont forget the Old Oaken bucket IU and Purdue wood fight over...notice the Is and Ps for wins.... and no im not an IU fan...LOL.... James Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: Mike, Look in the "Files" section - it is one sharp looking engine Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train Hi Bob, I went to photos section and I did not see a "game train" listing. Are these on some other website? thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Anson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Booth, thought you might like to see this game train Hey Mike, thought you might like to see a pic of a game train i did for a client a number of years ago. i put it in the files section under game train. Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: When I got my S Helper items of two steam engines and the Lenz system, it came in a really big box. I am in the process of making a rare University of Maryland Terrapin box car, with a white body and a red roof. Tom Bianculli was so kind to make me some MD decals for the car. In my order from S Helper I got a unfinished box car. I needed a way to spray the car with the paint without getting paint on other things. Why, the large S Helper shipping box is perfect for a Paint Spray Booth!!! Yes, I put gray primer on it and the car looks wonderful just with the primer on it ! LOL So, I spent 1400 with S Helper to get a FREE paint spray booth. I see in Walters catalog you can buy a booth for like 400. Heck, a big cardboard box is all you need. This is how they do it at Lionel right? Today, the MD White paint goes on the car!! And when it is all done, I will take the car to York for the photo session of unusual item. I will tell the person in charge that this is a rare unnumbered 1958 AF U of MD box car prototype that never was done. If AC Gilbert made the NCAA collectors series they would still be in business today. Just kidding as that would of been unheard of them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Bob Anson %~) --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Bob Anson %~) --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47968	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint booth and resin kit painting

Add a length of clothes dryer duct hose, a cheap fan like one for a computer, and a roll of duct tape, to make the "big box booth" more user friendly. Having made some resin parts and walls for buildings, I had problems painting resin stuff. The paint just wouldn't stick. I had forgotten about release agent on the resin! First, you need to scrub off any release agent left on the resin parts. This can be tough, as it is tedious and you should use an old tooth brush and dishwashing liquid, and warm water, but not hot water. Resin stuff will warp easily if there is too much heat. Don't use a hair dryer or sunlight to dry it after scrubbing. Even if the parts were cast in silcone rubber molds without release agent, the silicone bleeds it's own "release agent", so you still need to scrub it. A good primer is a definate plus. Forget those water based paints. While I prefer to use them because I've absorbed too much toulene over the years from solvent paints, they just don't seem to work well on resin. I've used both Scale Coat and Floquil to primer stuff with good results. But check the paint on the back of a part to make sure it works okay and doesn't react with the resin. After primering seals the resin, it has been my experiance that you can use just about any paint. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47969	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47970	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting

Great Info. Will check into it! Dave. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47971	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Gunderson Husky Stack Cars

----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertflyer [Mark Kiner] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com . . . . . . . . Saw a note on the s-trains list that someone got their Gunderson cars. I was wondering if you had a ship date for mine.. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > Mark I shall be interested to hear from you -- and anybody else -- how the body-mounted AF-type couplers work out for you. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47972	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint booth and resin kit painting

STUMPY....... DON'T FORGET THE FILTERS!!!!!!!!! Or you can stick the hose in your mouth..... Same Paint and dust Particles....... Bob -------------- Original message from "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...>: -------------- Add a length of clothes dryer duct hose, a cheap fan like one for a computer, and a roll of duct tape, to make the "big box booth" more user friendly. Having made some resin parts and walls for buildings, I had problems painting resin stuff. The paint just wouldn't stick. I had forgotten about release agent on the resin! First, you need to scrub off any release agent left on the resin parts. This can be tough, as it is tedious and you should use an old tooth brush and dishwashing liquid, and warm water, but not hot water. Resin stuff will warp easily if there is too much heat. Don't use a hair dryer or sunlight to dry it after scrubbing. Even if the parts were cast in silcone rubber molds without release agent, the silicone bleeds it's own "release agent", so you still need to scrub it. A good primer is a definate plus. Forget those water based paints. While I prefer to use them because I've absorbed too much toulene over the years from solvent paints, they just don't seem to work well on resin. I've used both Scale Coat and Floquil to primer stuff with good results. But check the paint on the back of a part to make sure it works okay and doesn't react with the resin. After primering seals the resin, it has been my experiance that you can use just about any paint. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47973	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice

Larry, Heljan made a brewery in an HO/O version..I want to say #807 was in the range of $40....makes an interesting complex and is very good along a back wall...using the building as a flat you can double the size of the warehouse building.... gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Asp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Advice So what we need is an S Scale model of a brewery and we would have the perfect layout - does anyone make such a thing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Advice > Don't stop collecting those neat billboard cars! The beer > distributor idea will work. And just as today, breweries often brewed > more than one brand, so having different cars at the brewery is > prototypical to some extent. > Also, there were fewer billboard cars than most people think. No one > had hundreds of billboard cars, and some companies had only one > billboard car! While Coors and Budwiser had dozens of cars, a small > brewery might have a few or just one. > Putting regular reefers at a brewery or distributor are actually more > prototypical than having billboard cars. In the pre-prohabition days, > every town of size had an independant brewery or two because beer > tended to go stale quickly and there were high numbers of consumption > to keep them going. Locally, there were nearly a dozen brewers in a > fifty mile radius to keep all the steel workers and coal miners > supplied! As far as I know, none had their own railroad cars. None > survived the back to back slam of Prohabition and Depression. I've > always thought it would be cool to letter up some cars for > these "fallen flags" but I've haven't gotten around to it yet. > Prototype aside, billboard cars, beer or other products, are a nice > change from the usual drab parade of dark colored rolling stock. Keep > gathering them up! > Stumpy Stone...snowy and cold...again...in Martins Ferry, OH. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1322 - Release Date: 3/9/2008 12:17 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47974	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Paint booth and resin kit painting

To remove mold release from the resin car kits I build I soak them in Bleche White whitewall tire cleaner then scrub them with dish detergent and a soft toothbrush. Works every time. Plastikote automotive primer also works well on resin. rcon7@... wrote: STUMPY....... DON'T FORGET THE FILTERS!!!!!!!!! Or you can stick the hose in your mouth..... Same Paint and dust Particles....... Bob -------------- Original message from "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...>: -------------- Add a length of clothes dryer duct hose, a cheap fan like one for a computer, and a roll of duct tape, to make the "big box booth" more user friendly. Having made some resin parts and walls for buildings, I had problems painting resin stuff. The paint just wouldn't stick. I had forgotten about release agent on the resin! First, you need to scrub off any release agent left on the resin parts. This can be tough, as it is tedious and you should use an old tooth brush and dishwashing liquid, and warm water, but not hot water. Resin stuff will warp easily if there is too much heat. Don't use a hair dryer or sunlight to dry it after scrubbing. Even if the parts were cast in silcone rubber molds without release agent, the silicone bleeds it's own "release agent", so you still need to scrub it. A good primer is a definate plus. Forget those water based paints. While I prefer to use them because I've absorbed too much toulene over the years from solvent paints, they just don't seem to work well on resin. I've used both Scale Coat and Floquil to primer stuff with good results. But check the paint on the back of a part to make sure it works okay and doesn't react with the resin. After primering seals the resin, it has been my experiance that you can use just about any paint. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47975	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting

Your are welcome but it sounds like the others ideas might be better! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: YardMasterModels@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Resin kit painting Thanks Mike. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47976	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Atlas HO Middlesex Manufacturing Company - Convertible to S?

Hello, any thoughts on the convertability to S?of Atlas' newest HO structure offering - the HO Middlesex Manufacturing Company? ?? Pictures can be found in the new Atlas catalogue (pp. 52, 54 and on the cover - a?version converted by Vic Roseman). ? It can also be found at www.atlasrr.com/Trackmisc/middlesexmc.htm ? Paul Schilling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47977	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Beer Cars

Stunpy Stranger than fiction" Coors never owned a billboard reefer to haul beer. The car most copied ( and there is only one ) is now on display at the Colorado railroad museum, was owned by the Burlington railroad, it was never put in service. I have photos of 3 different paint schemes, and drawings of that Burlington car. Today Coors owns 1300+ Green insulated BN cars, and about 250+ special insulated beer tank cars, which resemble white propane tank cars ( CORX + car #) to haul beer to the Elkton, Virginia bottling plant, ( soon to be brewing Molson-Coors products, which will include Miller and Corona.) I can't comment for other breweries, but I would suspect they only had a very limited number . I only worked for Coors. Several years ago I sat trains up under the Christmas tree in the main entrance of Coors Brewery at Golden, Colo. with a model of the brewery ( at the turn of the century 1900 ) The model is still on display in the lobby of Coors of any on is ever in Golden. And I do have a Coors brewery on my layout. I will make a small correction to Don Thompson's statement. 3.2 beer is beer not to exceed 3.2 % alcohol, most beers didn't come close to that level. Beer that is commonly called 6% beer , is called repeal beer by the industry. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47978	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Beer Cars

You Poor Yanks ...CANADIAN BEER starts at 6 %....lol..no wonder the boarder towns are loaded on weekends .... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > > Stunpy > Stranger than fiction" Coors never owned a billboard reefer to haul > beer. The car most copied ( and there is only one ) is now on display at > the Colorado railroad museum, was owned by the Burlington railroad, it > was never put in service. I have photos of 3 different paint schemes, and > drawings of that Burlington car. Today Coors owns 1300+ Green > insulated BN cars, and about 250+ special insulated beer tank cars, > which resemble white propane tank cars ( CORX + car #) to haul beer to > the Elkton, Virginia bottling plant, ( soon to be brewing Molson- Coors > products, which will include Miller and Corona.) I can't comment for > other breweries, but I would suspect they only had a very limited number > . I only worked for Coors. > Several years ago I sat trains up under the Christmas tree in the main > entrance of Coors Brewery at Golden, Colo. with a model of the brewery ( > at the turn of the century 1900 ) The model is still on display in the > lobby of Coors of any on is ever in Golden. > And I do have a Coors brewery on my layout. > > I will make a small correction to Don Thompson's statement. 3.2 beer > is beer not to exceed 3.2 % alcohol, most beers didn't come close to > that level. Beer that is commonly called 6% beer , is called repeal beer > by the industry. > Jerry 77-11644 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47979	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Maine Rail Trail

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sunrisetrail/ Some really neat pictures,192, of a rail trail that still has the rails, ties and old cars on the tracks. Plus some pictures of them doing work on the rails in preparation of the work to start in May! Can't wait for this to open soon! This is in Maine. Lots of blueberry fields that this trail goes by. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47980	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ertl Train Set

Dear Alan, Your memory is working just fine. I met the VP of marketing of Ertl at the IMHS in Rosemont, IL the year after there introduction. I saw his badge as he walked down the isle past our booth. I started up a conversation about the S scale train set. I gave him one of my cards and said if they ever wanted to do more, to let me know and I would happily advise them items to use instead of items already on the market (a GP35? with copies of AF freight cars, that sure would not have been my first choice). He told me they had made 50,000 sets and they were considered a failure as they did not sell out the first year. Distributors still had lots and that is not a good sign a year later. I know we would advise customers with children to young for our sets to contact Scenery Unlimited as Don had found a source for several years after their introduction. Best, Don Alan Evans wrote: > Don, > > Don't I recall your mentioning something about this train > set when it first came out that you talked to the Ertl people? > > > > - Alan E in snow-bound Gahanna, Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47981	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Advice Don Tompson

Dear Mark, I just got back from China on Friday. As you can see by the time of this e-mail, I am still suffereing from Jet Lag. I sent e-mail to Ron when he contacted me last week and said he should ship the cars. We expect them sometime this week, but I am not sure when. I sent you e-mail to Robin so that your order is not shipped unitl the 15th. Best, Don acgilbertflyer wrote: > Don, I sent the message below to you on Friday, and haven't recieved > a reply. I notice you are following the list so am hoping to get a > reply before I leave town. > > ****Message Below ********** > > Saw a note on the s-trains list that someone got their Gunderson > cars. I was wondering if you had a ship date for mine. > > I am leaving town on the 12th and won't get back until the 16th. > > Would hate to find out you shipped them during this time frame > without me knowing. > > Mark Kiner > > BTW I never did get any 00295 or 00005 couplers. I responded saying I > didn't care if they were in blister packs and never heard another > word. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Thompson [mailto:don@... > <mailto:don%40showcaseline.com>] > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:02 AM > To: mwk@... <mailto:mwk%40mwkiner.com> > Cc: robint@... <mailto:robint%40showcaseline.com> > Subject: Re: The Showcase Line by S Helper Service Order Confirmation > 2002-7279-5552 > > Dear Mark, > I have some that are bulk packaged and not blistered. Is this OK? > Don > > Mark Kiner wrote: > > So what is going to happen here? Are you still going to ship them? > > Do you have 00295's or not? > What about the 00005's? > > > Your web site still shows them both available. > > > MK > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Thompson [mailto:don@... > <mailto:don%40showcaseline.com>] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:07 PM > To: robint@... <mailto:robint%40showcaseline.com> > Cc: mwk@... <mailto:mwk%40mwkiner.com> > Subject: Re: The Showcase Line by S Helper Service Order Confirmation > 2002-7279-5552 > > Dear Robin, > Mark has a problem. I thought we were out of #00295 SW AF comp. > couplers. Please let Mark know. > Best, > Don > > Mark Kiner wrote: > > > Got the order in today's mail. > > > For some reason you shipped me > > A pack of 01295 KD style couplers. If you check my order you will find > that is not what I ordered. What I ordered , and described on your > packing slip is: > > 1) #00005 > and > > 1) #00295 > > > What do we do now? > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Showcase Line by S Helper Service > [mailto:don@... <mailto:don%40showcaseline.com>] > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:59 PM > To: mwk@... <mailto:mwk%40mwkiner.com> > Subject: The Showcase Line by S Helper Service Order Confirmation > 2002-7279-5552 > > This is an automated message acknowledging successful initial > processing of your order placed on the World Wide Web. > > You may check your order status by writing to: > don@... <mailto:don%40showcaseline.com> > For inquiries, please reference order# 2002-7279-5552 > > Visit us often at: http://www.showcaseline.com > <http://www.showcaseline.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47982	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth

Dear Mike. Please save the box in case you ever need to return your engine. To prevent damage, the engine needs to be returned in the blister (yes, all of the parts of the blister) and a 12" X 12" X 24" box full of peanuts. You cannot imagine what UPS can do to our trains. Best, Don Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > When I got my S Helper items of two steam engines and the Lenz system, > it came in a really big box. > > ......Why, the large S Helper shipping box is perfect for a Paint > Spray Booth!!! > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47983	From: Alan Evans	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ballast!!!!

Bob, Do you have any problems with the motor's magnetic field picking up some of the iron particles? - Alan _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of petersbob55 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast!!!! An interesting ballast can be found in those hand and foot warmers us northern folks may have. I save mine all winter long and use the contents as a ballast. Besides the material is powered iron. Bob Whiteface Mountain, NY (near lake Placid) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47984	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Terp Car Update

I am so disgusted with the MD/VA basketball game I decided to stop watching with 2 minutes to go and write about my Terp boxcar! I have successfully painted in my homemade paint spray booth the car sides and ends white. Looks real good. Tomorrow, we paint the top red. Mike Marmer U of MD 1978 Five year plan. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47985	From: Vivamus	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Model Train Wiki Update . . .

Model Train Wiki Update . . . The Model Train Wiki project has been going for three weeks now -- two weeks since turning on the stats and beginning to count things. We're up to well over 400 pages now, from 163 registered users. About 3/4 of the Wikipedia model railroading content is over on the Model Train Wiki (legally, with attribution.) The rest should be up in the next week or two. There are hundreds of shops and clubs listed, but probably even more that are not listed. Please go there and look to see if your local shop and/or club are listed, and add them if they are not. Details and information on shops and clubs that are already listed would be welcome. If you are a model railroading retailer, publisher, wholesaler, manufacturer, show organizer, etc., please go to see if your business is listed. If it isn't, please add it, along with a sentence that describes what you sell/make/do. If you have a model railroading-related website, please go to see that you website is listed on ours, and add it if it is not. We ask you also to consider cross-posting your content on the Wiki, if you want it to reach a larger audience. If it is copyrighted material, post it with permission and attribution to preserve copyright. We invite you also to list our site on yours. For those not familiar with a Wiki, it is a website that anyone can go to and edit. This site is meant to be an always-free resource for all model railroaders. YOU decide the content, YOU build the content, and you benefit from the content. As more model railroaders get excited about the possibilities in this project, we expect that the content will jump to several thousand pages, including file downloads from the Yahoo groups, how-to pages on every aspect of model railroading, pictures and video clips from working model railroads and ongoing projects, and lots of things we haven't thought of (but you will.) Because you can add the content that you want, you never have to wait for us to get with the program and add what you think should be there. It will take you less time to add it yourself than it would to tell us about it. While there are many hundreds of pages on the site, many of them are still blank. As a participant in the Yahoo model railroading groups, you can post useful information gathered here, there. If you upload files here, we encourage you to upload them there, as well. Most especially, if you have been a long-time participant in an online model train group, you have probably posted highly valuable information not once, but many times. Wouldn't it be nice to point to one place where people asking questions in the group can get specific answers? In addition, your old posts probably contain dozens of useful answers that newcomers to the hobby who are not members of this group would benefit from reading. Post them on the Wiki, with attribution to yourself. Because this project was started by members of the S Scale Yahoo group, there is more content related to S than other scales, but participants in the other scales are starting to catch up. If there are particular issues or if there is particular information relating to S Trains that would be useful for people in this group to refer back to, or for people outside this group to see, please post it to the Wiki. If there are files in the file section that would be useful, please cross-post them there. You are the experts, here. It won't take much effort at all to repost some old content, for the benefit of all. If you aren't sure where the content should go, just put the pages up, and let someone else (okay, probably me) organize them after the content is up. There are help pages on the Wiki itself on how to add and edit content, and you are welcome to contact me if you need further assistance. www.ModelTrainWiki.com <BLOCKED::http://www.ModelTrainWiki.com> Brian Groover Administrator, Model Train Wiki [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47986	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Current delays, UPS, and MOXIE cars

For those who are awaiting an overdue order (or repair), we need to apologize. We fell behind the entire month of February due to the illness, and eventual passing, of my stepmother. She was almost 101, so no regrets....she had a long and great life! Nevertheless, we were back and forth to Connecticut over a three week period, so we couldn't keep up here. We are now back home after that and a planned vacation trip. Slowly, we will try to get caught up here over the next 2-3 weeks. Also, a reminder that TOMORROW is our deadline for 2008 AF reservations at our advance order pricing. And while posting, I might as well add my input about UPS......I ship multiple packages with them daily; the UPS trucks are here at least twice every day. MY drivers are great, and I have NEVER had a complaint with them! However, the way packages are handled in transit, especially in the sorting warehouses, is terrible. I know from guys who have actually worked there that they are under pressure to sort "X" number of packages per minute, as they come off one conveyor and have to be sorted onto other diverging conveyors.........they get tossed about repeatedly. And many of the packages that arrive here show evidence of that! Insurance claims process is difficult, especially if it exceeds $100. The last claim I filed was for about $90, as UPS handling destroyed.....yes destroyed......the shells on two American Models RS3 engines. The brand new engines were in their original packaging, and then packaged and well-cushioned inside an outer carton. They came to me from Am Models, via FedEx, just fine. They re-shipped via UPS and arrived at my customer, only 100 miles away, with the shells of the engines broken and most of the handrails broken off the shells. The carton had obviously been used to play basketball ! It took me 6 months to finally obtain insurance payment from UPS. Meanwhile, I had purchased and paid for a new set of shells for the customer, to keep him happy. Lastly, right now, I am still awaiting insurance payment for a package UPS apparently lost.......it has never been delivered, 7 weeks after shipment. I'm still waiting for payment, and in the meantime, once again I've had to supply the customer with a replacement shipment. In my experience, it's NOT the drivers.......its the warehouse staff. I've already begun looking into a switch to FedEx. And a final topic......the MOXIE cars for the NASG convention this summer are nearing a sellout already. Without a doubt, there will be none left by August, so if you're interested in one, don't delay! Information at www.nasg2008.com <http://www.nasg2008.com/> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47987	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting

I have built quite a few resin kits of aircraft, and aircraft kits that extensively used resin parts. The mold release used is generally pretty stubborn. Before removing anything from the pour plugs, give them a quick dunk and swish in denatured alcohol. Don't soak the parts in it. After the build, but minus the applied details-like steps, radio antennae,etc., wash the kit with a toothbrush and Comet, Ajax (or what have you) scouring powder. Allow the kit to dry at least overnight. Give it a couple of generous coats of Testor's clear flat LACQUER. Dry overnight, then wash with scouring powder again-this should eliminate, or at least minimize, pinholes in the resin surfaces.Glue any small bits on, then proceed with your finish. I prefer Zap slow-setting gel and a good idea might be to keep a can of accelerator handy to "kill" the set when you're sure the alignment is OK. Five minute epoxy is good but you may have to hold or clamp parts while it sets. It sounds like a lot of work, but the results are worth it.-John Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47988	From: Bob Peters	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ballast!!!!

Al, Actually I do not use it near the tracks or engines. I use it on the scenery parts where I plan to put an old iron mine scene. I use the hand/foot warmer stuff mainly just to recycle it into some other use. But you are right about the magnetic effects on this stuff. Bob ----- Original Message ---- From: Alan Evans <alan@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2008 9:47:25 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast!!!! Bob, Do you have any problems with the motor's magnetic field picking up some of the iron particles? - Alan _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of petersbob55 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast!!!! An interesting ballast can be found in those hand and foot warmers us northern folks may have. I save mine all winter long and use the contents as a ballast. Besides the material is powered iron. Bob Whiteface Mountain, NY (near lake Placid) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] <!-- #ygrp-mkp{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} #ygrp-mkp hr{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrp-mkp #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ygrp-mkp #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-mkp .ad{ padding:0 0;} #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ font-family:Arial;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:uppercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-right:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o{font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal{ margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq{margin:4;} --> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47989	From: Alan Evans	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: RE : UPS, Fed Ex, DHL

I have shipped with UPS (7 years), now DHL. At one time or another each of them has had problems (lost, damaged, etc) and all have been resolved. As Doug mentions, point of the problem can be anywhere. Same concept when we go into the operating room - we're trust the doctor to do the best he can with his experience. - Alan Evans o Recovering from a lot of snow in Central Ohio! _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Peck Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Current delays, UPS, and MOXIE cars For those who are awaiting an overdue order (or repair), we need to apologize. We fell behind the entire month of February due to the illness, and eventual passing, of my stepmother. She was almost 101, so no regrets....she had a long and great life! Nevertheless, we were back and forth to Connecticut over a three week period, so we couldn't keep up here. We are now back home after that and a planned vacation trip. Slowly, we will try to get caught up here over the next 2-3 weeks. Also, a reminder that TOMORROW is our deadline for 2008 AF reservations at our advance order pricing. And while posting, I might as well add my input about UPS......I ship multiple packages with them daily; the UPS trucks are here at least twice every day. MY drivers are great, and I have NEVER had a complaint with them! However, the way packages are handled in transit, especially in the sorting warehouses, is terrible. I know from guys who have actually worked there that they are under pressure to sort "X" number of packages per minute, as they come off one conveyor and have to be sorted onto other diverging conveyors.........they get tossed about repeatedly. And many of the packages that arrive here show evidence of that! Insurance claims process is difficult, especially if it exceeds $100. The last claim I filed was for about $90, as UPS handling destroyed.....yes destroyed......the shells on two American Models RS3 engines. The brand new engines were in their original packaging, and then packaged and well-cushioned inside an outer carton. They came to me from Am Models, via FedEx, just fine. They re-shipped via UPS and arrived at my customer, only 100 miles away, with the shells of the engines broken and most of the handrails broken off the shells. The carton had obviously been used to play basketball ! It took me 6 months to finally obtain insurance payment from UPS. Meanwhile, I had purchased and paid for a new set of shells for the customer, to keep him happy. Lastly, right now, I am still awaiting insurance payment for a package UPS apparently lost.......it has never been delivered, 7 weeks after shipment. I'm still waiting for payment, and in the meantime, once again I've had to supply the customer with a replacement shipment. In my experience, it's NOT the drivers.......its the warehouse staff. I've already begun looking into a switch to FedEx. And a final topic......the MOXIE cars for the NASG convention this summer are nearing a sellout already. Without a doubt, there will be none left by August, so if you're interested in one, don't delay! Information at www.nasg2008.com <http://www.nasg2008 <http://www.nasg2008.com/> .com/> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47990	From: michael prell	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Model Train Wiki Update . . .

"Because this project was started by members of the S Scale Yahoo group, there is more content related to S than other scales, but participants in the other scales are starting to catch up. If there are particular issues or if there is particular information relating to S Trains that would be useful for people in this group to refer back to, or for people outside this group to see, please post it to the Wiki. If there are files in the file section that would be useful, please cross-post them there."..........................................It's way past time that S-Scale and Flyer got the recognition and content coverage due both! This is wonderful! Congrats! Vivamus <Vivamus@...> wrote: Model Train Wiki Update . . . The Model Train Wiki project has been going for three weeks now -- two weeks since turning on the stats and beginning to count things. We're up to well over 400 pages now, from 163 registered users. About 3/4 of the Wikipedia model railroading content is over on the Model Train Wiki (legally, with attribution.) The rest should be up in the next week or two. There are hundreds of shops and clubs listed, but probably even more that are not listed. Please go there and look to see if your local shop and/or club are listed, and add them if they are not. Details and information on shops and clubs that are already listed would be welcome. If you are a model railroading retailer, publisher, wholesaler, manufacturer, show organizer, etc., please go to see if your business is listed. If it isn't, please add it, along with a sentence that describes what you sell/make/do. If you have a model railroading-related website, please go to see that you website is listed on ours, and add it if it is not. We ask you also to consider cross-posting your content on the Wiki, if you want it to reach a larger audience. If it is copyrighted material, post it with permission and attribution to preserve copyright. We invite you also to list our site on yours. For those not familiar with a Wiki, it is a website that anyone can go to and edit. This site is meant to be an always-free resource for all model railroaders. YOU decide the content, YOU build the content, and you benefit from the content. As more model railroaders get excited about the possibilities in this project, we expect that the content will jump to several thousand pages, including file downloads from the Yahoo groups, how-to pages on every aspect of model railroading, pictures and video clips from working model railroads and ongoing projects, and lots of things we haven't thought of (but you will.) Because you can add the content that you want, you never have to wait for us to get with the program and add what you think should be there. It will take you less time to add it yourself than it would to tell us about it. While there are many hundreds of pages on the site, many of them are still blank. As a participant in the Yahoo model railroading groups, you can post useful information gathered here, there. If you upload files here, we encourage you to upload them there, as well. Most especially, if you have been a long-time participant in an online model train group, you have probably posted highly valuable information not once, but many times. Wouldn't it be nice to point to one place where people asking questions in the group can get specific answers? In addition, your old posts probably contain dozens of useful answers that newcomers to the hobby who are not members of this group would benefit from reading. Post them on the Wiki, with attribution to yourself. Because this project was started by members of the S Scale Yahoo group, there is more content related to S than other scales, but participants in the other scales are starting to catch up. If there are particular issues or if there is particular information relating to S Trains that would be useful for people in this group to refer back to, or for people outside this group to see, please post it to the Wiki. If there are files in the file section that would be useful, please cross-post them there. You are the experts, here. It won't take much effort at all to repost some old content, for the benefit of all. If you aren't sure where the content should go, just put the pages up, and let someone else (okay, probably me) organize them after the content is up. There are help pages on the Wiki itself on how to add and edit content, and you are welcome to contact me if you need further assistance. www.ModelTrainWiki.com <BLOCKED::http://www.ModelTrainWiki.com> Brian Groover Administrator, Model Train Wiki [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47991	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Paint booth and resin kit painting

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 47992	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting

Thanks John, sounds like I might have gotten into more than I bargained for! Dave. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47993	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting

Some manufacturers use mold release that must be cleaned or removed from the parts. Sometimes I have had to use a quick rinse in some type of solvent. This is why we don't use mold release in kit production at Pine Canyon. It does cost us in mold life, about half. But we don't want the customer to have the problems typical in other resin kits. As for primer, if your building a Pine Canyon kit, I never use primer. Except where I want to use the white, gray or red oxide for the dull finish it produces. Drop by your local Pep Boys automotive supply store and pick up primers in aerosol cans under the Bright Touch brand name. I use this alot on all of our photo models. But not as a primer, as a color. I don't bother with priming, I just go to the color. Krylon does offer a new line called fusion for plastic, but is harder to find and a bit more cost. If you have mold release in the resin casting and the you are getting fish-eyes in the paint, apply the first couple coats in very light coatings. Almost dry, so it sets before the fish-eyse can form. Let the paint dry a bit between coats. Hope this helps, Keith Blanchard Pine Canyon Scale Models.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, YardMasterModels@... wrote: > > Anyone know the best primer to use on the resin kits? Thanks, Dave.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47994	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Snow in Columbus

Well, you got a tast of Wisconsin. We still have snow on ground - actually almost continuously on the ground since Dec. 1. Even some flurries last night. This Wisconsin winer has been the 5th overall snowiest. So, I assume you are digging out on one of the storms that skipped us to the south. If you come to the Spree bring me two of those interior kits. I did get the tank car, thanks, and I assume you've seen the latest Dispatch. Hope that helps sales. I'll be at the Spree - probably with Roy. Reminder - hope you can bring the NASG layout to the Fall S Fest. I'll have a room available at my house - but we might take a room night on Friday night at the hotel?? I ship the Dispatch mostly using Priority Mail, mainly because the USPS is the easiest to get to. Jeff ________________________________ > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: alan@... > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:19:35 -0400 > Subject: [S-Trains] RE : UPS, Fed Ex, DHL > > > I have shipped with UPS (7 years), now DHL. At one time or another each of > them has had problems (lost, damaged, etc) and all have been resolved. As > Doug mentions, point of the problem can be anywhere. Same concept when we > go into the operating room - we're trust the doctor to do the best he can > with his experience. > > - Alan Evans > > o Recovering from a lot of snow in Central Ohio! > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Doug Peck > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:31 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Current delays, UPS, and MOXIE cars > > For those who are awaiting an overdue order (or repair), we need to > apologize. We fell behind the entire month of February due to the > illness, and eventual passing, of my stepmother. She was almost 101, so > no regrets....she had a long and great life! Nevertheless, we were back > and forth to Connecticut over a three week period, so we couldn't keep > up here. > > We are now back home after that and a planned vacation trip. > > Slowly, we will try to get caught up here over the next 2-3 weeks. > > Also, a reminder that TOMORROW is our deadline for 2008 AF reservations > at our advance order pricing. > > And while posting, I might as well add my input about UPS......I ship > multiple packages with them daily; the UPS trucks are here at least > twice every day. MY drivers are great, and I have NEVER had a complaint > with them! However, the way packages are handled in transit, especially > in the sorting warehouses, is terrible. I know from guys who have > actually worked there that they are under pressure to sort "X" number of > packages per minute, as they come off one conveyor and have to be sorted > onto other diverging conveyors.........they get tossed about repeatedly. > And many of the packages that arrive here show evidence of that! > Insurance claims process is difficult, especially if it exceeds $100. > The last claim I filed was for about $90, as UPS handling > destroyed.....yes destroyed......the shells on two American Models RS3 > engines. The brand new engines were in their original packaging, and > then packaged and well-cushioned inside an outer carton. They came to me > from Am Models, via FedEx, just fine. They re-shipped via UPS and > arrived at my customer, only 100 miles away, with the shells of the > engines broken and most of the handrails broken off the shells. The > carton had obviously been used to play basketball ! It took me 6 months > to finally obtain insurance payment from UPS. Meanwhile, I had purchased > and paid for a new set of shells for the customer, to keep him happy. > Lastly, right now, I am still awaiting insurance payment for a package > UPS apparently lost.......it has never been delivered, 7 weeks after > shipment. I'm still waiting for payment, and in the meantime, once again > I've had to supply the customer with a replacement shipment. > > In my experience, it's NOT the drivers.......its the warehouse staff. > I've already begun looking into a switch to FedEx. > > And a final topic......the MOXIE cars for the NASG convention this > summer are nearing a sellout already. Without a doubt, there will be > none left by August, so if you're interested in one, don't delay! > > Information at www.nasg2008.com .com/> > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> > www.flyerparts.com > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47995	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: RE : UPS, Fed Ex, DHL

I worked at the Post Office in the 1960's, standard sorting was to toss packages into bags on a rack till it was full (shoot baskets). Also they came down a conveyor, and more after them if not sorted right away. The next box could be a box of books, perhaps 40 lbs, comming down a 15 ft. slide. So, it's not new for packages to get rough treatment along the way. jfred Alan Evans <alan@...> wrote: I have shipped with UPS (7 years), now DHL. At one time or another each of them has had problems (lost, damaged, etc) and all have been resolved. As Doug mentions, point of the problem can be anywhere. Same concept when we go into the operating room - we're trust the doctor to do the best he can with his experience. - Alan Evans o Recovering from a lot of snow in Central Ohio! _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Peck Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Current delays, UPS, and MOXIE cars For those who are awaiting an overdue order (or repair), we need to apologize. We fell behind the entire month of February due to the illness, and eventual passing, of my stepmother. She was almost 101, so no regrets....she had a long and great life! Nevertheless, we were back and forth to Connecticut over a three week period, so we couldn't keep up here. We are now back home after that and a planned vacation trip. Slowly, we will try to get caught up here over the next 2-3 weeks. Also, a reminder that TOMORROW is our deadline for 2008 AF reservations at our advance order pricing. And while posting, I might as well add my input about UPS......I ship multiple packages with them daily; the UPS trucks are here at least twice every day. MY drivers are great, and I have NEVER had a complaint with them! However, the way packages are handled in transit, especially in the sorting warehouses, is terrible. I know from guys who have actually worked there that they are under pressure to sort "X" number of packages per minute, as they come off one conveyor and have to be sorted onto other diverging conveyors.........they get tossed about repeatedly. And many of the packages that arrive here show evidence of that! Insurance claims process is difficult, especially if it exceeds $100. The last claim I filed was for about $90, as UPS handling destroyed.....yes destroyed......the shells on two American Models RS3 engines. The brand new engines were in their original packaging, and then packaged and well-cushioned inside an outer carton. They came to me from Am Models, via FedEx, just fine. They re-shipped via UPS and arrived at my customer, only 100 miles away, with the shells of the engines broken and most of the handrails broken off the shells. The carton had obviously been used to play basketball ! It took me 6 months to finally obtain insurance payment from UPS. Meanwhile, I had purchased and paid for a new set of shells for the customer, to keep him happy. Lastly, right now, I am still awaiting insurance payment for a package UPS apparently lost.......it has never been delivered, 7 weeks after shipment. I'm still waiting for payment, and in the meantime, once again I've had to supply the customer with a replacement shipment. In my experience, it's NOT the drivers.......its the warehouse staff. I've already begun looking into a switch to FedEx. And a final topic......the MOXIE cars for the NASG convention this summer are nearing a sellout already. Without a doubt, there will be none left by August, so if you're interested in one, don't delay! Information at www.nasg2008.com <http://www.nasg2008 <http://www.nasg2008.com/> .com/> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47996	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting

Thanks very much Keith! Dave.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47997	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Starter Sets

Thoes of us in the hobby would like to see a starter set to get new people in. For a company to offer one, it tends to be a "loss leader", a gimmic to get people interested that will buy more product at full retail price. Thus, the company must have more product to offer in order for them to make money and continue in business. Selling add-ons or related items is where the money is to be made. Gilbert had a fill line, so low cost sets could lead to more sales. Even the much talked about Ertl train set was expected to help sell the other "Farm Country" items that happened to be about 3/16" scale. So, for Atlas to offer the Industrial Rail line on "S" track, they would need more than that to sell. More items that would fit in on an "S" layout which we all would like to see, but would need a large investment to pull off. That's how I see it anyhow. jfred --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47998	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: RE : UPS, Fed Ex, DHL

I ship framed print with glass. The local UPS counter refused to accept them with the glass. Funny, the UPS stores have no problem. But I use the post office unless there is an unusual reason for going UPS, like getting the UPS store to do the packaging. Consumer Reports did a comparison of UPS, FEDEX, and the USPS several years ago and USPS beat UPS and FEDEX on handling of packages. Consumer reports put sensors or similar devices in the boxes. This provided a comparison of how rough the handling was. As I said, the post office came out on top. That does not mean they can't break things but they are less likely to break them than UPS or FEDEX. I think that study was done about 10 years ago so conditions could have changed, though I doubt it. But this is the reason I prefer to ship USPS. I am very careful in my packaging and actually have never had glass break in any of my shipments. - Earl Henry, Nashville ================== In a message dated 3/10/2008 2:00:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jfred436@... writes: I worked at the Post Office in the 1960's, standard sorting was to toss packages into bags on a rack till it was full (shoot baskets). Also they came down a conveyor, and more after them if not sorted right away. The next box could be a box of books, perhaps 40 lbs, comming down a 15 ft. slide. So, it's not new for packages to get rough treatment along the way. jfred **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 47999	From: Phil K	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: RE : UPS, Fed Ex, DHL

We used UPS for 25 years. We switched to DHL because their sales reps claimed they'd save us money over UPS. It cost us $2,500 in employee hours to switch over to DHL software and import all of our addresses, so the savings would take awhile to kick in. DHL did give us a lower price -- about 8 percent less than UPS for about two months. Then they added a $3 per piece pickup charge ($1,050 per shipment) which increased the old UPS cost by 70 percent -- from $1,500 per shipment to $2,550 per shipment. Attempts to straighten this out with DHL were totally fruitless. The people we spoke to at their "customer service" acted like they could not care less. We did pay the base amount ($1,500) for each shipment, but not the "new" charges we never agreed to nor we told about in advance. DHL quickly turned the account over to a collection agency and later lawyers. We're back with UPS now. Lesson learned the hard way. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48000	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ertl Train Set

----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson . . . . . . .He told me they had made 50,000 sets and they were considered a failure as they did not sell out the first year. . . . . . . . > > > > > > > OK, a failure from their point of view. What about from our point? This ERTL set sounds a lot like what the consensus here thinks should be made to get young people into S gauge. So let's guess it only worked on 10% of the buyers. Where are the 5,000 new young S gaugers? Anybody know even one person who's in model railroading, preferable the 1/64 type, because of these ERTL sets? Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48001	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: RE : UPS, Fed Ex, DHL

I have used FedEx Ground for years. No issues with them. Their "NEW" ting is to require a stronger or heavier wt. box or u ship at your own risk & they will not cover it. They(At Kinko's) sell you an approver box if you want to be covered. 12X12X18 box about $4.00. I did use boxes that paper reams came in & they are now not strong enough. I pack really well with a box within a box system. This has been great with no issues to date. I also bought heavier wt. cardboard boxes that engines & cars fit in just right. I also wrap the engine in paper towel & then bubble wrap. This then goes into a larger box. It costs more but no damage. I also save the plastic bags from the market & use them as padding. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48002	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: MY BEST EXPERIENCES

The first was the time I bought a BOXED 4904T set..... Really nice and well packed..... Despite the note on my door to put boxes in the large can for protection...... UPS put the packed box in my BUSHES AND IT WAS SOAKED WITH RAIN FOR OVER A WEEK......... The second, and not really Fedex problem was I bought a like new 48T set in all the original boxes.... The DUMB A** that sent it TAPED UP THE ORIGINAL SET BOX, SLAPPED ON LABELS, AND FEDEX PUT THIER SHIPPING INFO ON IT WITH BLACK MARKER...... DUH I also got one UPS box torn open and someone had stuffed a bunch of computer parts into it beside my Train stuff..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48003	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Starter Sets ALSO E-BAY WARNING

I have listed a "STARTER SET" on E-Bay. I have had it listed twice before @ 120 $ 100. I now have it listed at 49.00 & have a bid. If interested in seeing how a starter set would go in AF look @ it under seller: Anormal101... I am not trying to sell it to any on this list, just to see & show how a basic set would sell & for what price. It contains an Atlantic, 2 cars & caboose 12 curved & 4 st. pcs. of track A power clip & 1 1/2 transformer. Everything except wire to set it up & run right out of the box. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48004	From: bwhanse1@rockwellcollins.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: S Scale brewery

While not perfect I have one of the Department 56 Budweiser brewery buildings in a corner of my Flyer layout that looks pretty good and close to scale. It comes with removable Christmas decorations. I have a spur going by that I can use for a kinds of loads from hoppers, boxcars, reefers and flats with machinery. I also have a Budweiser billboard with three small lamps that also fits into S scale well. The brewery is available on Ebay and the billboard is available from the Budweiser website. Cheers. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48005	From: Jim King	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting

I do use a mold release on all of my molds because of the severe undercuts in some instances and wanting to maximize mold life. Scrubbing with isopropyl alcohol and an old toothbrush works, as does lacquer thinner since urethane is not reactive to that stuff. I have found that washing with warm, soapy water does not work well enough for primer to stick. I prime all of my castings using Floquil Grey Primer, also solvent based. I've tried quick-dry automotive primers with so-so success but the longer drying time of Floquil does the trick. After that, you can apply any paint you want, either acrylic or solvent based, and you should do fine. As a last resort, you can run VERY fine steel wool over the castings after washing to give the surface some "teeth" for future paint. I've never had to do this but have heard some folks have tried it and sweat by it (instead of AT it!). Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48006	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting

Thanks Jim Your ventillated Box Car is on my List! It looks great on the web page, Dave. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48007	From: Rosie	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Beer Cars

Over 6%, in most States, is called Malt Liquor. If it's label "beer", canadian or otherwise, it's less than that magic number. ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward G. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 11:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Beer Cars You Poor Yanks ...CANADIAN BEER starts at 6 %....lol..no wonder the boarder towns are loaded on weekends .... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > > Stunpy > Stranger than fiction" Coors never owned a billboard reefer to haul > beer. The car most copied ( and there is only one ) is now on display at > the Colorado railroad museum, was owned by the Burlington railroad, it > was never put in service. I have photos of 3 different paint schemes, and > drawings of that Burlington car. Today Coors owns 1300+ Green > insulated BN cars, and about 250+ special insulated beer tank cars, > which resemble white propane tank cars ( CORX + car #) to haul beer to > the Elkton, Virginia bottling plant, ( soon to be brewing Molson- Coors > products, which will include Miller and Corona.) I can't comment for > other breweries, but I would suspect they only had a very limited number > . I only worked for Coors. > Several years ago I sat trains up under the Christmas tree in the main > entrance of Coors Brewery at Golden, Colo. with a model of the brewery ( > at the turn of the century 1900 ) The model is still on display in the > lobby of Coors of any on is ever in Golden. > And I do have a Coors brewery on my layout. > > I will make a small correction to Don Thompson's statement. 3.2 beer > is beer not to exceed 3.2 % alcohol, most beers didn't come close to > that level. Beer that is commonly called 6% beer , is called repeal beer > by the industry. > Jerry 77-11644 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48008	From: Glenn	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Ertl Train Set

I bought an ERTL set at a much reduced price ($25) 3 years after it's introduction. Might find one in the back room of an ACE hardware store. I shipped to a friend in Australia (took 3 months by first class mail, boat I presume). 50,000 sets is a big investment perhaps that is why ERTL was bought out by RC2 toys. http://www.rc2corp.com/ Like many said what do you do to expand plastic track layouts. Ertl made great animals that I use on my layout but what's a kid to do with a non-expandable set. When these discussions used to come up digest members wanted something they could use. K-Line was a much better approach for 6 to 12 year olds. Perhaps we should think along the lines of an S gauge Brio type wooden train for little kids. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hawley To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ertl Train Set ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson . . . . . . .He told me they had made 50,000 sets and they were considered a failure as they did not sell out the first year. . . . . . . . > > > > > > > OK, a failure from their point of view. What about from our point? This ERTL set sounds a lot like what the consensus here thinks should be made to get young people into S gauge. So let's guess it only worked on 10% of the buyers. Where are the 5,000 new young S gaugers? Anybody know even one person who's in model railroading, preferable the 1/64 type, because of these ERTL sets? Tom Hawley ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1322 - Release Date: 3/9/2008 12:17 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48009	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: 6% beer

I just worked for the company that make the stuff, and get free beer. which includes Molsen. My job was in engineering, which gave me an opportunity to run some of the trains. When I set back to watch my "S" trains roll, I sip on Yukon Jack Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48010	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Shipping unmentioned so far...

FYI.....UPS handles most of the Post office's "Priority Mail". This info is straight from the PO itself. We have had many of our track cleaning cars literally destroyed by shipping "Priority Mail" So far we have had the best luck with Fedex. In a message dated 03/10/2008 1:19:15 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, tennsgauge@... writes: I ship framed print with glass. The local UPS counter refused to accept them with the glass. Funny, the UPS stores have no problem. But I use the post office unless there is an unusual reason for going UPS, like getting the UPS store to do the packaging. Consumer Reports did a comparison of UPS, FEDEX, and the USPS several years ago and USPS beat UPS and FEDEX on handling of packages. Consumer reports put sensors or similar devices in the boxes. This provided a comparison of how rough the handling was. As I said, the post office came out on top. That does not mean they can't break things but they are less likely to break them than UPS or FEDEX. I think that study was done about 10 years ago so conditions could have changed, though I doubt it. But this is the reason I prefer to ship USPS. I am very careful in my packaging and actually have never had glass break in any of my shipments. - Earl Henry, Nashville ================== In a message dated 3/10/2008 2:00:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _jfred436@..._ (mailto:jfred436@...) writes: I worked at the Post Office in the 1960's, standard sorting was to toss packages into bags on a rack till it was full (shoot baskets). Also they came down a conveyor, and more after them if not sorted right away. The next box could be a box of books, perhaps 40 lbs, comming down a 15 ft. slide. So, it's not new for packages to get rough treatment along the way. jfred ************************<WBR>**It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and adv& Finance. (_http://money.http://moneyhttp://money.<WBhttp://mo_ (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48011	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Resin kit painting

Jim is correct in that soapy water does not do well to remove the release agents. I too have used lacquer thinner, but only as a quick wash over the castings. Then blow and dry off the castings. Don't give the thinner time to soak into the resin. I have found that some resins will become fragil and fall apart if soaked in lacquer thinner for too long. Keep up the good work Jim! Keith Blanchard --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim King" <jimking3@...> wrote: > > I do use a mold release on all of my molds because of the severe undercuts > in some instances and wanting to maximize mold life. Scrubbing with > isopropyl alcohol and an old toothbrush works, as does lacquer thinner since > urethane is not reactive to that stuff. I have found that washing with > warm, soapy water does not work well enough for primer to stick. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48012	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Vinyl Roadbed

Hi All, I just want you all to know that I got a pleasant surprise today, a phone call from Joann Sovia, one of the co-owners of Vinyl Roadbed. She said she had to call, as I told her a email would of been fine, to tell what the situation is with the roadbed I order. The problem they are having, as I knew is with the maker of the material of the vinyl they used to make the roadbed. It is in tight supply. Being in distribution myself, I know that the bigger users of a product when supply is tight will go the bigger users. No, the other users are not making roadbed, but other products with this material. Joann told me this vinyl product is from cars, helmets, etc., yes, I know all about helmets myself!. She did say that they did speak to the supplier, that they really need this specific size for a long awaited order. I am not clear, if they are getting sheets of vinyl in certain thickness, as I would think that is how is being ordered, as they finish the product cutting at there place in TN. So, again, I do not blame then at all, as they have been very honest with me from the beginning down to offering me a re-fund. And then to take the time and expense to call me, shows me allot about a company and how concern they for customers. She did say, they are working on making a roadbed that is not made from re-cycled material. And she said it will be in a gray. I have heard good things about there product and as I said before, I waited 15 years to do this layout. A few more weeks should be okay. And she did tell me, that winter is the busiest time of year as we all know, as for me, weekends now will be for bike riding, provided I don't try to kill myself again like in September and baseball. But I will work on the layout during the week at night. I feel they are very sincere in there concern that I do not have the roadbed. That to me is a sign of a company that cares. I hope anyone in need of roadbed, give them a try or order some samples as I did back in the 1990's. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48013	From: teeb_1	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit - UPDATED - Fire in the Hole!

Subsequent to posting my LED headlight retrofit, a response from Tim Benner asked if it would be possible to use two "opposing" LEDs in lieu of a diode opposing the headlight LED. Specifically, the question was could a red LED be used as the second LED so as to provide colored illumination from inside the boiler smokestack ... thus simulating a fiery glow from within. This type of simulation was a standard feature on some of the later engines, achieving the effect by using a red colored plastic smoke tube and painting the interior of the boiler smokestack white. Tim also mentioned he had made an LED replacement by assembling the components in the base of a burned out bulb. Merging these comments with the above approach yielded an alternative – a dual LED replacement constructed in a bulb base. Though it still requires some bending of the headlight LED leads, this assembly can be removed from the boiler front socket more readily than in the previous approach. As I was doing some work on a 302, I decided to put the dual LED idea to a test. The result is an update to the PDF file I posted previously ... the updated file is named LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT II.pdf. It replaces the LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT.pdf file. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48014	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Beer and Rail

The beer transport topic has me remembering Hull's of New Haven, CT, which closed its doors in the mid 70's, replaced by something they've likely torn down. Man, correct or not, I'd love to see some kind of Hull's branded rolling stock-in NY,NH&H livery. Sam Adams has a brew that tastes just like Hull's Bock, very nice. McGowan's pub in New Haven had Hull's on tap, and was a very popular college joint-John Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48015	From: Alan Evans	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Snow in Columbus

_____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Madden Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 2:21 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Snow in Columbus Well, you got a tast of Wisconsin. We still have snow on ground - actually almost continuously on the ground since Dec. 1. Even some flurries last night. This Wisconsin winer has been the 5th overall snowiest. So, I assume you are digging out on one of the storms that skipped us to the south. We received about 18" - took me 3 hours to dig out Saturday night after it stopped. Just stayed in house and let it come on Saturday! If you come to the Spree bring me two of those interior kits. I'll start a "To Bring" list. Sales have really dropped off on these Total of 61 sold thus far. I did get the tank car, thanks, and I assume you've seen the latest Dispatch. Hope that helps sales. Dispatch hasn't arrived yet, but Lansing Michigan friend said his arrived today with Timken on front. Thanks. I'll be at the Spree - probably with Roy. Reminder - hope you can bring the NASG layout to the Fall S Fest. I'll have a room available at my house - but we might take a room night on Friday night at the hotel?? As long as I know the plans, I can do that. I talked to McCoy last night and I will not take the DCC layout to Lowell in August. Not sure yet if Pat will be going - she was a summer camp counselor on Lake Winnepesauke in 1963 while I was "studenting" at Washington Hall in Athens! Steve Lunde is going to purchase the AM Pacific detail kit that S Loco & Supply sold in 2000, but I did not record how much I paid for it (one of those "to do's" that "didn't." Any idea what it originally sold for? I ship the Dispatch mostly using Priority Mail, mainly because the USPS is the easiest to get to. Jeff See you in Dayton! -Alan (no longer snow bound in Central Ohio) Evans. But flooding is next!! ____________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48016	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: MD Box car

Joe Haenn just emailed me to tell me my MD box car is now a Penn State box car. Since Penn Staters buy just about anything PSU, how much for this now rare 1958 AF prototype box car. More rare than a G Fox car. As there is only one of these,that I have in my hand. And the paint is dry too! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48017	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Booth

Don, As a business man, you, telling a customer to save a box incase to send a train back to you for repair does not sound too good! O:)! I hope you understand what I mean! But heck, after I finish painting the second box car, I can throw away the box and get a new heavy duty box from the grocery store in the same size just in case I need to send a engine back and I want to destroy more boxcar with paint. I think I will make that box car into a box car with graffiti. Linda saw something wonderful at a train ride in PA we did near Harrisburg, as she did not tell me about it, as it was a old truck painted with something graphic from us males and it had the name of it pointing to it. I was too busy taking TRAIN pictures to notice it. I was quite upset that she did not tell me, as I would of gotten a picture of that , as no one would ever believe this, especially at a tourist attraction and they did nothing to cover it up as it was the day for a Santa train ride!!!! What would Santa think!!!!! She said she did not say anything due to a family walking by with lots of kids. Well, didn't that thing on the truck help make those kids!!!!! LOL Anyway, boxes are easy to come by if needed. So, you still want to go to a baseball game with us in NJ in September Don!? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Booth Dear Mike. Please save the box in case you ever need to return your engine. To prevent damage, the engine needs to be returned in the blister (yes, all of the parts of the blister) and a 12" X 12" X 24" box full of peanuts. You cannot imagine what UPS can do to our trains. Best, Don Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > When I got my S Helper items of two steam engines and the Lenz system, > it came in a really big box. > > ......Why, the large S Helper shipping box is perfect for a Paint > Spray Booth!!! > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48018	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: MD Box Car Update

I was making good progress on painting my boxcar to become that rare S MD Terp car, but I was able to mess it up! LOL I chalk this up as a learning process. My first mistake was painting the sides and not the roof. My second mistake was taking off the tape from the sides, that I already painted white, as that was fine. Here is what happen and what I will do next time as I re-ordered a new unfinished box car from S Helper. I taped up the sides of the car, with 3m blue painters tape, as getting the side with the ledge and brake wheel was difficult. I got the tape as tight as I could, so there will be no gaps. Same for the long sides. A bit of white paint did get on the roof when did the top, as maybe I did not get the tape down good enough where the ridges are on the roof. So I will do better next time with shorter pieces of tape. I got the roof painted red. My first mistake was taking off the tape too soon, as I got red paint on my fingers which I got on to the white body. Okay, I will re-spray it white. And some red got into the red, as stated why. So, if I paint the rood first, as when the roof is dry for 24 hours, tape including, it will be easier to tape the roof to do the sides. When I went to redo the white paint, I had the can too close to the car, so, the area got flooded!!!! I tried to wipe it off and that was a big mistake. So, now I have spare parts like trucks and couplers. Hey, Tom Waits has a song Spare Parts and Spare Parts II. I wonder if this is what he meant. I will have to pull the CD out. Any way, I learn my lesson, as next time, it will be done right. LOL I am helping the economy of S Helper with my big $42.95 purchase here. And to think for years, I never purchased anything from them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48020	From: David Engle	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping unmentioned so far...

This (UPS hauling for the Post Office) is not what I understand. The USPS people here tell me that FedEx is their primary contractor, and that is why they now have the thickness factor on some of their rates. The only trouble I have had with them is that if ship an item such as a lapel pin in a letter (6x9 manila) envelope, you need to mark it "hand-cancel" so the pin does not get extruded out through the envelope if it goes through a canceling machine. I, too, have hard all the complaonts about United PArcel, and I wonder why it has not adversly affected their reputation over all. It's a long way sinc the little purple planes in and out of Memphis at 3AM. DJE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48021	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping unmentioned so far...

FYI, I have never had anything broken when shipped USPS Priority Mail, which is handled by USPS and FEDEX, not UPS. The USPS has a working relationship with FEDEX, not UPS. I work for the Post Office, and I am related to the Expedited Mail (read Priority Mail) manager locally, so I would consider myself pretty close to the situation. Now, I will tell you that I have received many, many packages from UPS over the years that have been crushed, perforated, or soaked. Again, never have I had a problem with USPS. As long as you package your items securely reinforced and properly cushioned, you should have no problem with USPS or FEDEX. Sorry the same cannot be said, from my experience, about UPS. Those are the facts, from my perspective and many others I have spoken to. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Shipping unmentioned so far... FYI.....UPS handles most of the Post office's "Priority Mail". This info is straight from the PO itself. We have had many of our track cleaning cars literally destroyed by shipping "Priority Mail" So far we have had the best luck with Fedex. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48022	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: UPS, Fed Ex, DHL

In a message dated 3/10/2008 2:41:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: Attempts to straighten this out with DHL were totally fruitless. The people we spoke to at their "customer service" acted like they could not care less. ABSOLUTELY my experience, they DON'T care at all, but, MOST people in Customer Service don't care. Call WAWA, an East Coast convenience store chain. The Customer Service people will make you feel GLAD you called, but, they won't solve anything and they can't direct your call where your problem can be solved or even addressed. At least, WAWA C-S is still in the US. Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48023	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: MD Box car

Anyone have a detailed and accurate drawing of an A-B brake system for the N.Y.C. 19000 Caboose. And an interior photo of this caboose. Any Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dave. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48024	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit - UPDATED - Fire in the Hole!

How very interesting. I just finished up a 290 converted to Can, DCC, white LED headlight and red flickering firebox using a red LED. Yep, it can be done and it's easy to do. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 03/11/2008 1:23:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, louavul@... writes: Subsequent to posting my LED headlight retrofit, a response from Tim Benner asked if it would be possible to use two "opposing" LEDs in lieu of a diode opposing the headlight LED. Specifically, the question was could a red LED be used as the second LED so as to provide colored illumination from inside the boiler smokestack ... thus simulating a fiery glow from within. This type of simulation was a standard feature on some of the later engines, achieving the effect by using a red colored plastic smoke tube and painting the interior of the boiler smokestack white. Tim also mentioned he had made an LED replacement by assembling the components in the base of a burned out bulb. Merging these comments with the above approach yielded an alternative – a dual LED replacement constructed in a bulb base. Though it still requires some bending of the headlight LED leads, this assembly can be removed from the boiler front socket more readily than in the previous approach. As I was doing some work on a 302, I decided to put the dual LED idea to a test. The result is an update to the PDF file I posted previously ... the updated file is named LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT II.pdf. It replaces the LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT.pdf file. Steve **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48025	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: 494/495

Good evening to the group, Indulge me for a few moments to tell you a story of how I acquired this pair of New Haven Alcos. About a year ago I purchased on Ebay, a dual motor Alco and shell that had been stripped of it's paint. I paid, as I recall, a little over $100.00. When I received this unit the chassis was clean as a pin and ran perfectly. I doubted that I would ever be able to afford a 494/495 set, so I purchased this stripped one with intentions of painting the 494/495 New Haven scheme. I handle a fairly mean airbrush, so the painting was not a problem. I had other projects on the bench for the past few months so never got around to painting. About 6 weeks ago, a 494 shell only was on Ebay, I managed to win it for again about a $100.00. Except for one small blemish it also exceeded my expectations in appearance. Now I had a 494 and wondered what the chances were of ever finding a decent 495 to go with it and complete the pair. About 3-4 weeks ago a 495 popped up on Ebay, starting bid $199.95, 7 day listing. I watched it to the very end, bid the $199.95 at the last minute and with mine being the only bid won it. Now comes what I believe the real interesting part of this story. As we know these units were made in 1956 only. A question for the mathmatically inclined, of which I am not, what are the chances that the 494/495 shells that I ended up with would have the same date stamp of July 1956? By the way the 495 is in better shape than the 494, diesel roar works great, have not tried the horn. I am convinced that if one tracks Ebay long enough you can come up with some very good bargains, you just have to be patient. I will post pictures on the photo section. From the proud engineer of what I believe to be one of the best looking sets Gilbert produced, Keep those "Flyer Classics" rolling, Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48026	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Auto detail tape

Jim Hannawald just told me to use Auto Detailing tape for less leakage. For fine pinstriping tape. I can get that from the auto parts store. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48027	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: 494/495

Just a guess I'd say the odds were 1 in 12. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48028	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: 494/495 photo link

To all, Here is the link to the photos; http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/4704?b=1&m=s&o=0 Thanks Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48029	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: S Helper reverse unit blues

Group- I have an older friend (79) who loves his S gauge. He likes to run two trains on one track without any kind of automation...only his memory and proper manipulation of block control on the extended control panel. He has a Rio Grande S Helper F-3. If he runs it into a block, it stops, and the electronic e-unit is allowed to reset with proper time, it starts out again in reverse. The block in question is not able to be seen from where said friend usually controls this action. So...he is always hopeful he can cycle the reverse unit by manipulating the button, but sometimes it is too quiet and he misses the mark. Now we have a speeding train going backwards through stock AF switches and narrow radius track and derailments are imminent. The question is how can I disable the e-unit that this loco will run forward only...OR...make it so it starts in forward after its proper pause? I have not had the shell off to investigate myself, and it might be obvious, but I am just sending this out there to see if anyone can help. He is really not worried about reverse, so whatever needs to be done so he can continue to enjoy his trains in a forward motion should be done. Thanks in advance, Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48030	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Beer and Rail

Hi, here is a list of beer cars, with Hulls included..... It is a H O list... There is housing development were the brewery stood.. Vin http://www.hobeercars.com/mainpages/beernames.html john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: The beer transport topic has me remembering Hull's of New Haven, CT, which closed its doors in the mid 70's, replaced by something they've likely torn down. Man, correct or not, I'd love to see some kind of Hull's branded rolling stock-in NY,NH&H livery. Sam Adams has a brew that tastes just like Hull's Bock, very nice. McGowan's pub in New Haven had Hull's on tap, and was a very popular college joint-John Marganski --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48031	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 494/495

Larry- I don't know what the odds are for the 495 to be the mate of your 494, but I can tell you that had I bid on it, the odds are very high that I would have bid $199.49 and you would have won it at $199.99. Losing by a dollar or $ .50 seems to be what I do best!! Congrats on a good deal and a great looking pair of locos. Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> Good evening to the group, Indulge me for a few moments to tell you a story of how I acquired this pair of New Haven Alcos. About a year ago I purchased on Ebay, a dual motor Alco and shell that had been stripped of it's paint. I paid, as I recall, a little over $100.00. When I received this unit the chassis was clean as a pin and ran perfectly. I doubted that I would ever be able to afford a 494/495 set, so I purchased this stripped one with intentions of painting the 494/495 New Haven scheme. I handle a fairly mean airbrush, so the painting was not a problem. I had other projects on the bench for the past few months so never got around to painting. About 6 weeks ago, a 494 shell only was on Ebay, I managed to win it for again about a $100.00. Except for one small blemish it also exceeded my expectations in appearance. Now I had a 494 and wondered what the chances were of ever finding a decent 495 to go with it and complete the pair. About 3-4 weeks ago a 495 popped up on Ebay, st arting bid $199.95, 7 day listing. I watched it to the very end, bid the $199.95 at the last minute and with mine being the only bid won it. Now comes what I believe the real interesting part of this story. As we know these units were made in 1956 only. A question for the mathmatically inclined, of which I am not, what are the chances that the 494/495 shells that I ended up with would have the same date stamp of July 1956? By the way the 495 is in better shape than the 494, diesel roar works great, have not tried the horn. I am convinced that if one tracks Ebay long enough you can come up with some very good bargains, you just have to be patient. I will post pictures on the photo section. From the proud engineer of what I believe to be one of the best looking sets Gilbert produced, Keep those "Flyer Classics" rolling, Larry Moore __________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48032	From: teeb_1	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: LED Steamer Headlight Retrofit - UPDATED - Fire in the Hole!

And a small world to boot. The 302 in the write up has an SnS can motor (as does my 314AW). Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > How very interesting. I just finished up a 290 converted to Can, DCC, white > LED headlight and red flickering firebox using a red LED. Yep, it can be done > and it's easy to do. > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > > In a message dated 03/11/2008 1:23:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > louavul@... writes: > > > > > Subsequent to posting my LED headlight retrofit, a response from Tim > Benner asked if it would be possible to use two "opposing" LEDs in lieu > of a diode opposing the headlight LED. Specifically, the question was > could a red LED be used as the second LED so as to provide colored > illumination from inside the boiler smokestack ... thus simulating a > fiery glow from within. This type of simulation was a standard feature > on some of the later engines, achieving the effect by using a red > colored plastic smoke tube and painting the interior of the boiler > smokestack white. Tim also mentioned he had made an LED replacement by > assembling the components in the base of a burned out bulb. Merging > these comments with the above approach yielded an alternative â€" a dual > LED replacement constructed in a bulb base. Though it still requires > some bending of the headlight LED leads, this assembly can be removed > from the boiler front socket more readily than in the previous approach. > > As I was doing some work on a 302, I decided to put the dual LED idea > to a test. The result is an update to the PDF file I posted > previously ... the updated file is named LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT > II.pdf. It replaces the LED HEADLIGHT RETROFIT.pdf file. > > Steve > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48033	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 494/495 photo link

Nice. Steve In a message dated 03/12/2008 12:36:29 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mo2337@... writes: To all, Here is the link to the photos; _http://ph.groups.http://ph.http://ph.grouphttp://ph.grhttp://p&<WB&o=0_ (http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/4704?b=1&m=s&o=0) Thanks Larry **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48034	From: paflyrman	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 494/495

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Just a guess I'd say the odds were 1 in 12. Mike > If my memory of probability is correct, the odds are actually 1 in 24. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48035	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 494/495 photo link

Hi All -- I have to admit it, I do like the NH McGinnis (sp?) paint schemes, even if the guy was a scoundrel. Have fun! Bill Winans To all, Here is the link to the photos; http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/4704?b=1&m=s&o=0 Thanks Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48036	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper reverse unit blues

----- Original Message ----- From: bstilesaf I have an older friend [who] has a Rio Grande S Helper F-3. If he runs it into a block, it stops, > > > > > > > > > Why doesn't he throw the selector for that block to the cab he's running the unit on before it gets there? < < < < < < < < < and the electronic e-unit is allowed to reset with proper time, it starts out again in reverse. > > > > > > > > > That doesn't make sense. If it has reset, it will go forward. At least that's the way AM works. I would think SHS too. But what all of this suggests is that your friend is a perfect candidate for conversion to DC. If he can't do that himself, I'm sure you can help him. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48037	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper reverse unit blues

Ben; Significant reading between the lines here, and if I read it wrong, answer will be wrong, here goes: Assumption A -- this F3 is an AC Hi-rail, locomatic / sound equipped loco but your friend is not using a locomatic controller --- Answer A -- at the rear of the loco, inside the door, there is a small dip switch,,, set sw #1 to OFF, sw #2 to ON, #3 and #4 to OFF Assumption B -- AC Hi-rail with sound, using a locomatic 10 button controller --- Answer B -- same as A,,, play with the dip switches to make it do what you want,,,, check out the "Enginemen's Operating Manual" that came with the Loco, pages 15 & 16 Assumption C -- this F3 is a no sound DC loco --- Answer C -- the loco has a DC shorting unit installed, it is meant to use an outside DC polarity control to select direction of travel, your friend would know if he is running DC I would think, if it's running backwards from desired, turn the shorting plug around, start / run direction is set by the shorting plug cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bstilesaf" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > Group- > > I have an older friend (79) who loves his S gauge. He likes to run two > trains on one track without any kind of automation...only his memory > and proper manipulation of block control on the extended control panel. > > He has a Rio Grande S Helper F-3. If he runs it into a block, it > stops, and the electronic e-unit is allowed to reset with proper time, > it starts out again in reverse. The block in question is not able to > be seen from where said friend usually controls this action. So...he > is always hopeful he can cycle the reverse unit by manipulating the > button, but sometimes it is too quiet and he misses the mark. > > Now we have a speeding train going backwards through stock AF switches > and narrow radius track and derailments are imminent. > > The question is how can I disable the e-unit that this loco will run > forward only...OR...make it so it starts in forward after its proper > pause? I have not had the shell off to investigate myself, and it > might be obvious, but I am just sending this out there to see if > anyone can help. > > He is really not worried about reverse, so whatever needs to be done > so he can continue to enjoy his trains in a forward motion should be done. > > Thanks in advance, > > Ben >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48038	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 494/495 Probability

The probability can not be determined from the information given. Once the build month of the first loco is found the probability is that of finding a second loco with the same build month. Assuming the same quantity of locos were produced each month during a one year period, then the probabilty of finding a matching month is 1 in 12. I seriously doubt that loco production quantity was the same month to month so to determine the probability one would need to know the monthly production figures. I also doubt that the production period was exactly one full year. I would think production was done on batch mode rather than continuos mode. Of course the probability changes dramtically if one were trying to find a matching set for a pre-determined month of production. In other words the probabilty of finding a match for a loco you already have is much higher than trying to locate a matching set of locos both built in August for example. Again monthly production quantities would skew this also. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "paflyrman" <hblanier@...> wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@ wrote: > > > > Just a guess I'd say the odds were 1 in 12. Mike > > > If my memory of probability is correct, the odds are actually 1 in 24. > > paflyrman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48039	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Classic Toy Trains Layout Challenge

Hello Friends, Did anyone else notice that we S-Gaugers got "dissed" on this month's Classic Toy Trains website. Under the Layout Challenge, they show three layouts, one of which is obviously American Flyer S Gauge. While the little descriptions properly describe Jon Landers' layout as S Gauge, the actual ballot says that Jon's layout is O Gauge, so it appears that three O gauge layouts are vying in the challenge this month. It is a small thing, but as a small-time, post-war AF collector, the erroneous ballot was a bit of a slight to our two rail scale. I do subscribe to, read and enjoy CTT, and I love and appreciate Toy Trains of all brands and sizes. We are trailing in the poll, and I suppose what we may have lost in votes from disgruntled S-Gaugers, we may have picked up from confused or inattentive O-Gaugers. Cheers, Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48040	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Invoice

Don's invoice had milk listed it on it. No charge. LOL Thanks Don. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48041	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Milk Bottles

Yesterday, on the TCA list, a thread was started about what else we collect as I mentioned milk bottles. Well, today, in fine UPS shipment from S Helper for the new unfinished box car, was a pleasant surprise. Two pint glass milk bottles from Hong Kong that Don Thompson picked up for me while he was overseas for 3 weeks on business for S Helper. He had told me he had something he was bringing back for me if he could get it through customs. He knows I collect milk bottles and what a thoughtful thing he did, especially to lug them in his suitcase(s) for all this time. And they did not get broken by the nice UPS driver. I can put them next to my Canadian milk bottle that Ken Keki sent me several years ago, along with a autograph baseball he sent me from the minor league Toronat Maple Leafs baseball team. Ken also sent me a ton of new and old Canadian money as he knew I like the bird the Loon that we see in Maine, but I have yet to get a Canadian Loonie Dollar. And the umpire ball and strike counter he sent too! Also, I want to thank Mike Rapp who sent me a 1957 8 x 10 cardboard sheet of milk trucks to be cut out by children. I emailed Don a copy of these as he was able to make us copies in S gauge. Plus Tom Bianculli who made me the Terp stickers. And how can I forget Bill Zide who sent me a dozen bagels after my bike accident made in Brooklyn NY and then another dozen in October!! You people are just too nice, as I turn this into a grammy awards type thank you! O:)! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48042	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Box Car

Don Thompson, owner of S Helper sent me a email this morning on why did I not take the roof off? I thought he was kidding as he was one of several to get pictures from start to the deadly end. I thought he was kidding. He is so right. With a fine screw driver it will pop off! Now I can paint the old and the new car I got today, with all the parts seperately!!!! Including the sliding doors. I am very confident on spraying the car,as the white paint went on fine. Production will start again on the rare MD Terp box car. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48043	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Super Clean

I want to thank Horace Dufres for letting me know about Super Clean. I am not sure where he learn about this product, but he said it would take the paint off while not harming the plastic. He was right!!! The product is no longer made Castrol as they sold the line off. www.superclean.com On the website they had a product finder. Yes, Wal-Mart and Ace carry it. The product is harmless to the skin, did not ruin my bucket, etc. It just dissolves the paint, as I used it at full strength and it becomes part of the solution. Rinses off with water. I wore gloves, as Horace said it could dry out the skin, but over all it is harmless, meaning it will not burn it. I have no idea how it works, as I know there are several chemist on both list. I did have automotive primer on it, as that stayed on. So, it might just work on paint for plastic, as I had scalecoat 2 on it from Weavers. I am not sure about other paints. I have a new car again to destroy. Just kidding. I have some other news about the car, that I will write about on a email next. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48044	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: 356 pilot truck mounting posts

I am in the final stages of refubishing a basket-case 356. The pilot truck mounting posts are both broken and will be built up with threaded inserts and JB Weld. The trouble is I don't know how high to build them up. Does anyone have, or has anyone recently had a 354-356 apart who could give me a reference to how high to build these up? Maybe in relation to the chassis mounting posts? Or the headlight mounting post? Or the inside of the cylinders? I would surely appreciate it! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48046	From: beebear	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Super Clean

So Michael you have used this on a plastic car and it removed the paint and not the harmed the car? What type of paint were you using? I wonfer if it will remove Testers paint? Thanks for the info John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48047	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Calendar continues

This Sunday, March 16 is the date for the spring Gilbertsville Train Show, PA RT 73 East of RT 100 at the Gilbertsville Fire Hall. Show "officially" opens at 9 AM, Admission is charged. Will find several LIONEL parts dealers, Freddy Jester with FLYER parts, I'll have PLASTICVILLE parts, etc. TWO floors of trains and accessories. April 6th is the RCTHS Show in Leesport, PA RT 61 North of Reading. Contact _DaleM1955@msn_ (mailto:DaleM1955@msn) for tables, Doors open 9 AM, Admission charged. Both shows are "Open" shows, Non-affiliated. Jim Lyle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48048	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Super Clean

I was using Scalecoat 2 for plastic by Weavers. I am testing it on Floquil paint. No harm to the car. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: beebear To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Super Clean So Michael you have used this on a plastic car and it removed the paint and not the harmed the car? What type of paint were you using? I wonfer if it will remove Testers paint? Thanks for the info John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48050	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Super Clean

John, I have successfully used super clean to remove 30 year old testors paint from model car bodies as well as Tamiya lacquer, Plastikote and Rustoleum enamel. The only caveat is if you are stripping old acetate plastic American Flyer cars leave them in just long enough to remove the paint ( check frequently ) or it will begin to craze the shells. Bob H. beebear <beebear@...> wrote: So Michael you have used this on a plastic car and it removed the paint and not the harmed the car? What type of paint were you using? I wonfer if it will remove Testers paint? Thanks for the info John Frankforther --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48053	From: beebear	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Super Clean

Thank you Bob I may pick some up this weekend and give it a try John > John, > > I have successfully used super clean to remove 30 year old testors paint > from model car bodies as well as Tamiya lacquer, Plastikote and Rustoleum > enamel. The only caveat is if you are stripping old acetate plastic > American Flyer cars leave them in just long enough to remove the paint ( > check frequently ) or it will begin to craze the shells. Bob H.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48054	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Super Clean experiment

After the Super Clean dissolved all the paint off of my box car, I tried it on some Floquil paint. I took a bottle and the nail I use and soaked it. Well, it came right off, as Floquil is a oil base paint made by testor's. Super Clean is like any cleaner, as it is not harmful to your skin, but do wear gloves. The bucket had no paint residue, as it breaks it down in the liquid. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48055	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Advice

I wish to thank all of those who provided information, advice, insights, etc. on practical solutions as to how I should procure beer cars and operate them on my future layout. It has indeed been an education. I intend to offer future toasts and chugalugs in honor of those who carry on these traditions and provide insights of the good old days when beer and railroading where a necessary and cherished part of the American economy. P.S. Has anyone seen any beer cars for Esslinger, Schmidt's of Phila.,, and Rolling Rock. These are labels from the Phila area that I grew up with (before and after I got my PA State Liquor ID. Funny thing was that I was never carded before 21 but all the time after) and would like to add to my pantheon which will be placed next to the brewery kit that I just bought. Regards and Thanks again, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48056	From: ken_5556	Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Rust Removal

The best way that I have ever seen to remove rust: Better than steel wool. Better than Navel Jelly. Better than sand blasting. Does not remove paint, only the rust with NO etching. Pretty amazing. http://www.evaporust.com/ I bought some at Auto Zone, a little pricey but it can be re-used. If it gets real dirty just toss it out. Just remember to keep the rusty objects submerged. Use a plastic storage container. Non toxic. I sure could have used this stuff a few years ago. After the rust is gone, spray with some kind of protection like WD-40. Ken

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48057	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Advice

Dear Joe, Did you forget to add Horlacher of Allentown, PA Don Joseph Haughney wrote: > > > ... Has anyone seen any beer cars for Esslinger, Schmidt's of > Phila.,, and > Rolling Rock. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48058	From: Paul	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Ceiling Level Routes

Tim and others, have been thinking along the same lines myself for quite a while, live in a small plat ranch on a crawl space and no family room. no place at all to put up even a 4X8 and the little wife only lets me use the dining room table so long before she wants it back. question is, is S large enough to see on a shelf at the 7 foot level? I have been afraid it might be lost on the shelf and not readily visible. are you using one main line or two? I would like 2 with the wall side raised an inch or so. room corners? these will take some space protruding into the room, but do leave a place to put some scenery. finally, not a fireplace, but I have an L shaped room, so there is about an 8 or 9 foot open space to cross, maybe one heck of a truss bridge suspended from the ceiling. thank goodness we are all short people and I don't have big, tall friends! anybody have experience or insight to add to Tim's ideas? thanks in advance, paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48059	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ceiling Level Routes

I have seen a train running just below the ceiiling in some stores and restaurants, but it was garden scale. I do not know why you could not do it. I had a set up in the basement where it was suspended by a rope. just pull it up and let it down for operating sessions. ( maybe you could let it rest on a couple of saw horses). _____________________________________________________________ Stop collection calls. Click here to receive information on how to improve your credit. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mIZS467n34C2dSpNhXMUL4dksSMZUZEtYCJt4X82Tc0ccgb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48060	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Advice

In a message dated 3/14/2008 6:15:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, don@... writes: Did you forget to add Horlacher of Allentown, PA The building still stands, pass it while lost looking for Linda's relatives final resting site. Close to, if not on Fullerton St (which appears and disappears AS IF by magic). Allentown is collection of small gov't entities that change street names at will or on a whim, without ever making a turn left or right. Jim "been lost in Allentown" Lyle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48061	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ceiling Level Routes

Paul, My ceiling level layout is barely started. All I have so far is the bridge over the mantel. I can tell already that the trains I put on it look small. But I can still see the valve gear, etc and it affords space for a nice long two track main. For me the alternative is an oval of track on the floor as the garage is either too cold or too hot for a layout depending on the time of year so. Your idea of raising the wall-side track an inch is a great one! That will provide better visibility and more interest. I plan to borrow that idea from you for part of my layout. for the corners I plan to fit cardboard templates to the wall and build the units on the bench. That way I can test and ensure that the parallel track spacing is wide enough before mounting. A collision that far up could be catastrophic! The modules will be build like an airplane wing. The inside and outside curved areas will be 1/4" birch finished in a way that pleases the family (wife). They will be joined with 1/4" birch ribs drilled like airplane wing ribs to accomodate a lot of wiring. I plan to have a block system that will handle 4 trains on the two track main. The modules will also be wired for signals. The bottoms will be ceiling tile that matches that in the room. The top will likely be the same but painted in a roadbed color. If it were going to be handled a lot, heavier construction would be in order but this should only need to be moved once or twice... in a perfect world. That's my plan. I look forward to hearing about your approach and the methods others have used! Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48062	From: Paul	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ceiling Level Routes

Tim Benner wrote: Paul, My ceiling level layout is barely started. All I have so far is the bridge over the mantel. I can tell already that the trains I put on it look small. But I can still see the valve gear, etc and it affords space for a nice long two track main. For me the alternative is an oval of track on the floor as the garage is either too cold or too hot for a layout depending on the time of year so. Your idea of raising the wall-side track an inch is a great one! That will provide better visibility and more interest. Tim!! ding,ding.ding. who says several heads aren't better than one? I had been planning on using solid pine boards and part of what has been holding me back is the weight factor. Thank you. my turn to borrow (steal) your thoughts. much sturdier and lighter shelves can be made your way, and the top deck could be luan, masonite, or pegboard (for wires), covered with the blue board that goes under vinyl siding. I had planned to use this since it is about 3/8 thick and foam to hold down noise. The outside edge could be a trim piece routed to slide onto the two surfaces and extending up and down enough to hide the blue board and lower ceiling tiles or whatever is used to finish the bottom. The raising of the back track is easy with styrofoam cut to thickness, adds little weight, and even could provide for a bit of grade change. I think I might use thicker ribs though, then I can pin the shelving to the studs with dowels and not have shelf brackets. Brackets too have been holding me back, trying to figure out nice looking parts and how to finish them. Screwing the upper deck to the ribs in the areas of dowels stuck into wall studs should add plenty strength for downward pressure. I don't have access to a wood lathe, but square stock for ribs with one end turned into a dowel would work well. I too am in Dayton, Woodman and 35 area. Maybe we need to meet for coffee and discuss these ideas. C'mon folks this is getting fun, we might end up having high altitude towns to rival Mike's little one. Speaking of-- Mike is the economy getting to a point where the vacuum salesmen and Fuller Brush guys are becoming a problem? Thank goodness you have enough phone booths so residents can call the constable if they need to report salesmen without permits. Cats aren't scary enough, got any big dogs around to chase them off? paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48063	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Box Car Update

After I was able to strip the messed up paint job from the car and I learned that the roof of these cars come off, I have succeeded in painting the car! I was able to paint the body and the doors white, the roof red. It looks wonderful and better than the previous attempt. And I made a new step out of wood leftover from a water tank kit that I broke off in being too hard with the brush to get the paint off. Now, the next thing to do is place the Maryland Terrapin decals on the car. But after yesterday's total melt down by the Terps in the ACC tournament, where for the third game in a row they had a huge lead only to let it slip by, it might be best I leave the car blank. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48064	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Box Car Update

Mike, I also enjoy doing some painting on these old cars. Can't stand to see them tossed in the trash. Being from North Carolina, I am afraid I can't give you an unbiased opinion about the decals, unless you have some of a Blue Devil, then you may be onto something. Isn't the ACC fun this time of year? Better luck next year, Larry Moore To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; ralcor888@...; cookster1030@...; steve.conard@...: mlmarmer@...: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:29:11 -0400Subject: [S-Trains] Box Car Update After I was able to strip the messed up paint job from the car and I learned that the roof of these cars come off, I have succeeded in painting the car!I was able to paint the body and the doors white, the roof red.It looks wonderful and better than the previous attempt.And I made a new step out of wood leftover from a water tank kit that I broke off in being too hard with the brush to get the paint off.Now, the next thing to do is place the Maryland Terrapin decals on the car. But after yesterday's total melt down by the Terps in the ACC tournament, where for the third game in a row they had a huge lead only to let it slip by, it might be best I leave the car blank.Mike Marmer[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48065	From: michael prell	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ceiling Level Routes

Paul, About a dozen years ago, my ex gave me permission to run a train in what was supposed to be a family room but which became a sewing/quilting room. One day while in Vermont on a video shoot (we did a fishing show) and while sitting in a local choak n' puke, I noticed that the owner had installed a track for his lionel that hung about a foot from the ceiling. This was the idea of what became my 11X11 foot Board Break&Elbo Smash Railroad. It consisted of one continuous section of track with two turnouts opposite each other with enough track to park two engins for variety. For accessories I suspended a talking station, a beacon and a crosing gate below the 1x8 3/4 inch pine board which was afixed to the wall with triangular braces and wood screws into the wall studs. The corners were made from 1/4 inch pannel cut to match the curve of AF curved track. I routed the pine to accomodate the pannel and glued the edges into the pine. At one curve I also managed to employ a cow on the track.. I had envisioned suspending a section across the middle of the ceiling using the turn outs I was using for parking, but never got to it. I did take photos at he time but have gone missing in a move from my old home to where I am now located. I've gotta tell ya, the old BB&ES was lots of fun while it lasted and it's still fun to think about. Oh yeah, I hid all the wiring in 1/2 inch plastic pipe. If I were to do it again I'd go to 3/4". It's alot easier pulling four braded and regular stuff through. Anyway, good luck! Sounds like you're in for an interesting time! Paul <dilly@...> wrote: Tim and others, have been thinking along the same lines myself for quite a while, live in a small plat ranch on a crawl space and no family room. no place at all to put up even a 4X8 and the little wife only lets me use the dining room table so long before she wants it back. question is, is S large enough to see on a shelf at the 7 foot level? I have been afraid it might be lost on the shelf and not readily visible. are you using one main line or two? I would like 2 with the wall side raised an inch or so. room corners? these will take some space protruding into the room, but do leave a place to put some scenery. finally, not a fireplace, but I have an L shaped room, so there is about an 8 or 9 foot open space to cross, maybe one heck of a truss bridge suspended from the ceiling. thank goodness we are all short people and I don't have big, tall friends! anybody have experience or insight to add to Tim's ideas? thanks in advance, paul "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48066	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Box Car Update

Larry, Actually I am destroying new unfinished SHS box cars. I am doing my part for the economy for Don and Doug. And for Joe Haenn too! Joe Haenn who loves Duke too, I feel sorry for you two, no Joe is a good friend, as we went to a MD football game together to see MD beat FSU, said that the bad car could be a bleeding PSU car. No, the ACC is not fun anymore for me. LOL I will have my MD boxcar at York. I am looking to get big bucks for this rare box car!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless ; cookie flannery ; steve.conard@... Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Box Car Update Mike, I also enjoy doing some painting on these old cars. Can't stand to see them tossed in the trash. Being from North Carolina, I am afraid I can't give you an unbiased opinion about the decals, unless you have some of a Blue Devil, then you may be onto something. Isn't the ACC fun this time of year? Better luck next year, Larry Moore To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; ralcor888@...; cookster1030@...; steve.conard@...: mlmarmer@...: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:29:11 -0400Subject: [S-Trains] Box Car Update After I was able to strip the messed up paint job from the car and I learned that the roof of these cars come off, I have succeeded in painting the car!I was able to paint the body and the doors white, the roof red.It looks wonderful and better than the previous attempt.And I made a new step out of wood leftover from a water tank kit that I broke off in being too hard with the brush to get the paint off.Now, the next thing to do is place the Maryland Terrapin decals on the car. But after yesterday's total melt down by the Terps in the ACC tournament, where for the third game in a row they had a huge lead only to let it slip by, it might be best I leave the car blank.Mike Marmer[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48067	From: macflyer0513	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Paint Help

I want to paint an Atlantic and tender in Reading green. Might anyone suggest a brand and color that comes close? My red/green color blindness gets in the way approximating the right shade so any help will, as always, be appreciated. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48068	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ceiling Level Routes

Paul, We should meet for coffee some time. I am In Washington Twp. just South of Kettering. I also considered the blueboard method, sandwiching it between a top and bottom of finish material...still mulling that over. Right now the plan is to keep the modules hollow so wiring is easy and accessible. The module ends will incorporate computer type edge connectors for the low voltage circuits and din connectors for track power. Unfortunately, this weekend I don't get to work on it as me real job has me importing data all weekend. Tim On 3/14/08, Paul <dilly@...> wrote: > > > > Tim Benner wrote: > Paul, > My ceiling level layout is barely started. All I have so far is the > bridge over the mantel. I can tell already that the trains I put on > it look small. But I can still see the valve gear, etc and it > affords space for a nice long two track main. For me the > alternative is an oval of track on the floor as the garage is either > too cold or too hot for a layout depending on the time of year so. > Your idea of raising the wall-side track an inch is a great one! > That will provide better visibility and more interest. > > Tim!! > ding,ding.ding. who says several heads aren't better than one? > I had been planning on using solid pine boards and part of what > has been holding me back is the weight factor. Thank you. my turn > to borrow (steal) your thoughts. much sturdier and lighter shelves > can be made your way, and the top deck could be luan, masonite, or > pegboard (for wires), covered with the blue board that goes under > vinyl siding. I had planned to use this since it is about 3/8 thick and > foam to hold down noise. The outside edge could be a trim piece > routed to slide onto the two surfaces and extending up and down > enough to hide the blue board and lower ceiling tiles or whatever > is used to finish the bottom. > The raising of the back track is easy with styrofoam cut to thickness, > adds little weight, and even could provide for a bit of grade change. > I think I might use thicker ribs though, then I can pin the shelving to > the studs with dowels and not have shelf brackets. Brackets too have > been holding me back, trying to figure out nice looking parts and how > to finish them. Screwing the upper deck to the ribs in the areas of dowels > stuck into wall studs should add plenty strength for downward pressure. > I don't have access to a wood lathe, but square stock for ribs with one > end turned into a dowel would work well. > I too am in Dayton, Woodman and 35 area. Maybe we need to meet > for coffee and discuss these ideas. > C'mon folks this is getting fun, we might end up having high altitude > towns > to rival Mike's little one. Speaking of-- Mike is the economy getting to a > point where the vacuum salesmen and Fuller Brush guys are becoming a > problem? Thank goodness you have enough phone booths so residents > can call the constable if they need to report salesmen without permits. > Cats aren't scary enough, got any big dogs around to chase them off? > paul > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48069	From: michael prell	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Help

Why would you want to do this? Just wondering. macflyer0513 <macflyer@...> wrote: I want to paint an Atlantic and tender in Reading green. Might anyone suggest a brand and color that comes close? My red/green color blindness gets in the way approximating the right shade so any help will, as always, be appreciated. Mac "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48070	From: mlprell	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Greatest Show Circus

Is anyone still producing the repro for the Greatest Show Circus and if so, how might one obtain one?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48071	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Paint help

Why not? It's not an expensive, highly prized collectable engine. Do what you want with it, it's your train. Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48072	From: michael prell	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Paint help

My bad. Didn't know that it was already green. Sorry. Hope it turns out well. Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Why not? It's not an expensive, highly prized collectable engine. Do what you want with it, it's your train. Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry. "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48073	From: John Degnan	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: New Source for 1/64 Autos

Have a look... a new line called M2 Machines : Official Web Site : http://www.m2machines.com/ Retail Source : http://www.milezone.com/productView.asp?idproduct=6086&idCategory=222 John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48074	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Greatest Show Circus

As far as I know there is no current reproduction available. The Greenberg reproduction shows up on ebay from time to time. Bill Drake Central Virginia but travelling to Cleveland for the week. --- mlprell <mlprell@...> wrote: > Is anyone still producing the repro for the Greatest > Show Circus and if > so, how might one obtain one? > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48075	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/16/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 16, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48076	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: AF SWITCHES JUNK

HI, i have a lot of junk switches , no house tops on them, most have burnt out coils, will sell very very cheap, let me know if anyone is interested. email me at lglumac@... -------------- Original message -------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48077	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Stumpy dared me to do it

Hi- A while ago on a Sunday chat I was chatting with Stumpy about my stuff and he "suggested" that I post some photos of my evolving layout. Here they are along with some photos of a 2-6-6-4 articulated steamer. In a photo album titled "Bill's trains" I have just posted photos of my developing Flyer layout. It is 16 ft. x 10 ft ell shaped. Part of the layout was built in 1960 and has traveled from Southern California to Minnesota, back to Southern California (three different houses), to Southern Oregon, to Maryland suburbs of DC (two houses) and now to Central Virginia. The layout is double decked and will have postwar L on the lower level. I am playing around with the track arrangement and placement of the accumulated accessories at the moment. (haven't found the apple box full of switches yet). The two loops of track do operate with the double transformer. As a bonus, I did locate the 2-6-6-4 locomotive I bought a long time ago. It was made from two Hudsons, one Northern and the boiler front is from a die cast Marx locomotive. It has an extended motor, smokes, choo choo's, headlights and negotiates standard Flyer track. I won a TTOS meet pulling contest with it once with 24 hoppers behind it and it didn't bat an eye. we ran out of cars to add to the train. I thought there might be some interest in seeing how the articulated locomotive to come might look. it will be longer. This one has the rear driver mounted to the boiler and the front set swivels. Glad to answer questions or post more detailed photos if there is interest. Bill Drake

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48078	From: michael prell	Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Greatest Show Circus

Thanks, Bill. Who knows. It may get popular again. In the meantime, I'll keep on looking. Mike Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: As far as I know there is no current reproduction available. The Greenberg reproduction shows up on ebay from time to time. Bill Drake Central Virginia but travelling to Cleveland for the week. --- mlprell <mlprell@...> wrote: > Is anyone still producing the repro for the Greatest > Show Circus and if > so, how might one obtain one? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48079	From: Mac	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Help

The serendipity of model railroading. I've got four Atlantics, this one will be a cobbled up from parts one for play. And it fits my layout. John "Mac" McAlonan Fire on the Ridge Farm Cel: 859-391-0209 E-Mail: macflyer0513@... web: www.fireontheridge.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48080	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Help

Mac: With everybody jumping in and asking WHY, they didn't recommend the right color! Your best bet is Scalecoat II Reading Green. It's available in spray cans, too. Of course, you could also paint it Pullman green also available from Scalecoat. Scalecoat II is mineral spirits based, like Testors enamel, so it doesn't affect plastics like the xylol/toluene based Floquil or Scalecoat I for that matter. Check out their website @ www.scalecoat.com Steve _____________________________________________________________ Free information on how to attain credit counseling services. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieh7O7hkxlyRUhZhS8J1Hgcj2Tx4hHUGPlQi80hx2J92pkK3/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48081	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Stumpy...credit or blame?

Gee, I don't know if I like that "Stumpy made me do it" thing! ;-) I guess I've become the central figure representing folks who like to customize, kit bash, or outright butcher old (and sometimes new) S gauge trains. A "Brotherhood of Bashers" in S gauge, so to speak. Well, so be it. After years of scale model railroading and the stifling "rivet counter" mentality, I decided I'd had enough. Since it was my money, and my life, why not build and run what I wanted? I started with LGB at a time no American style trains were availible in G gauge, and I've never looked back. However, having tried collecting postwar Lionel some years back, I understand that some items are too valuable or rare to modify, so I stay away from them unless they are basket cases. At that point, all bets are off! This is the same thing we used to do with vintage cars. Many of our Street Rods were built out of cars the restorers didn't want. And so, here in S gauge, whether it's credit or blame you personally wish to heap upon me for everyone who breaks from the norm, so be it. I guess I'm just a champion of creativity. Stumpy Stone...Mad Buthcher, Creative Engineer, Brotherhood of Bashers...lurking in my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48082	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Advice

UGH! White man with red head and red suspenders get easily lost and not listen to native's directions! Fullerton Avenue not in Allentown, but in Whitehall Township, which is collection of many tepee villages. If passing Horlacher Brewery (what's left of it), and continue on to Front Street, will come to other foamy firewater factory--Neuweiler Brewery (they were bigger than Horlacher). Continue north, and will turn into Fullerton Avenue--where burial ground is. Gotta go--must worship S Gauge Chieftain Frank Titman Steve-Allentown Native _____________________________________________________________ Stop collection calls. Click here to receive information on how to improve your credit. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpPLXrhI3kJaWfNMoSnaxgPGhELxgsDixkyQbY62mw5pyw0mn/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48083	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Stumpy...credit or blame?

Stumpy- In the same chat - you got to thinking about a layout with an Area 51 theme or Alienland or something. I just meant that you asked for some photos and that got me going - thanks I needed the push. Take a look at the 2-6-6-4 and then talk about sacrificing two Hudsons and a Northern - the Marx doesn't count anyway, to get something not available off the shelf. Bill Not assigning blame in Central Virginia --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > Gee, I don't know if I like that "Stumpy made me do > it" thing! ;-) > I guess I've become the central figure representing > folks who like ......................................... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48084	From: michael prell	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Stumpy...credit or blame?

Stumpy, I don't know ya, Brother but I like ya! Well said! I particularly like the "It's my money" attitude! If ya got it, go for it! Long Live S- no matter what form it takes! mlp Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Gee, I don't know if I like that "Stumpy made me do it" thing! ;-) I guess I've become the central figure representing folks who like to customize, kit bash, or outright butcher old (and sometimes new) S ................................... --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48085	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Today's special train lovers holiday

Don't forget to give thanks at the altar of Saint Gilbert today. It is after all, 3/16 and all American Flyer lovers know what that means. Steve SnS Trains Boise **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48086	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: 3/16th is Very Special...Happy Birthday

3/16th day Is also special to me because its not only AF ..but the birthday of my best Buddy..Booster the Wonder Dog 14 yeras today......Grandpa always said "If you want a Friend in Life Get a Dog ....Man was he right ...Boo has travelled everywhere with me when I go to shows and meets Flyer Fest ...hes part of the family ..Pics in Bassflyers and Barbs pic files....Thanx for the Love Memories and Loyalty Buddy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48087	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Today's special train lovers holiday

Steve, I was waiting to see anyone remembered!!!! Sadly, this occasion is not marked on most calendars. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Today's special train lovers holiday Don't forget to give thanks at the altar of Saint Gilbert today. It is after all, 3/16 and all American Flyer lovers know what that means. Steve SnS Trains Boise **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48088	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/16/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 16, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48089	From: G C	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Stumpy...credit or blame?

Stumpy, I believe it was I who nominated you as president of the Brotherhood of Bashers. It seems that local chapters of this union are springing up all over. L.O.L. I guess this means we no longer have to keep our membership a secret. Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48090	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: S on youtube

There's a growing presence of S scale on youtube. I received a comment from a G scaler who staged a runby and had seen one of mine. You can watch the Penn Western runbys by going to youtube.com and keying in sscale, or just go the royhoffman.com/pwrr and watch them there. It's a new way to have fun. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48091	From: macflyer0513	Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Help

Thanks Steve - I went to the Walthers site and ordered from there. Found a few other necessities as well. The WHY has made an interesting thread however. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...> wrote: > > Mac: > > With everybody jumping in and asking WHY, they didn't recommend the right color! Your best bet is Scalecoat II Reading Green. It's available in spray cans, too. Of course, you could also paint it Pullman green also available from Scalecoat. Scalecoat II is mineral spirits based, like Testors enamel, so it doesn't affect plastics like the xylol/toluene based Floquil or Scalecoat I for that matter. Check out their website @ www.scalecoat.com > > Steve > _____________________________________________________________ > Free information on how to attain credit counseling services. Click here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieh7O7hkxlyRUhZhS8J1 Hgcj2Tx4hHUGPlQi80hx2J92pkK3/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48092	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: train set K5206W (1952)

From Alan Lambert, I have the set # K5206W and was wanting to know the catalog price. I am not wanting to sell it so, don't expect to see it listed. I just want to know what it went for back then. Thank you, Alan Lambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48093	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Model Railroad News

Hi Folks, Model Railroad News (MRN), as you might know, wants to EXPAND their coverage of S scale. This is a great opportunity for us. At least 3 other S scalers have volunteered their services to do reviews for MRN. Also, I was given permission to make "S Curves" a monthly column. This gives me a better chance to make more timely announcements. Therefore I encourage you to get in touch with new product announcements, club news, convention updates, useful websites, personal info on layouts, projects, etc., And, as always, good hi-res pictures would be great. If MRN hadn't done a thing, they still would have been the S-Friendliest mainline pub, but now it's even better. Like I said, there's a real opportunity here to build up our scale in the eyes of the model railroad public. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48094	From: Glenn	Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: train set K5206W (1952)

The catalog that year did not list prices. Greenberg Sets Volume III shows it's price in 1952 as $49.50 The first year of the K335 knuckle coupler Hudson. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan D. Lambert To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] train set K5206W (1952) From Alan Lambert, I have the set # K5206W and was wanting to know the catalog price. I am not wanting to sell it so, don't expect to see it listed. I just want to know what it went for back then. Thank you, Alan Lambert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1331 - Release Date: 3/16/2008 10:34 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48095	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: train set K5206W (1952)

Thanks Glen, That set had the K325 hudson not the k335. BTW I belong to Lone Star Flyer out of Irving(Dallas) Texas Thanks, Alan Glenn <gartrain404@...> wrote: The catalog that year did not list prices. Greenberg Sets Volume III shows it's price in 1952 as $49.50 The first year of the K335 knuckle coupler Hudson. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan D. Lambert To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] train set K5206W (1952) From Alan Lambert, I have the set # K5206W and was wanting to know the catalog price. I am not wanting to sell it so, don't expect to see it listed. I just want to know what it went for back then. Thank you, Alan Lambert ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1331 - Release Date: 3/16/2008 10:34 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48096	From: Robert B. Leffingwell	Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Passing of Roger Johnson, Chicago area

I regret to inform Chicago area S gaugers of the passing of Roger Johnson of Calumet City, IL. He was an avid collector of American Flyer but he never got into the internet. I'm sure that some people in this group knew him.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48097	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Anything new, Don?

Dear Joe, Thank you for asking. After Robin and my trip to Thailand to visit Ben's wife Sprite, I spent a few days with our engineers in China going over current and future projects. I tried to keep up with e-mail and our e-groups as best as I could. New Arrivals - 00298D and 00299D #3 remote control switches - I picked these up from the container freight stations (CFS) on a week ago Friday. We have been shipping the back orders. We have incorporated several improvements in this run. The linkage for moving the points and frog flipper has been enhanced to remove excessiver drag that was seen on some of the last run switches. The contacts that pick up power from the rails have been changed from a swedged fit to a "spot weld" This should lower the resistance that some contacts have shown in the past. The switches can be ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/track/SwitchesSect.html Our next run of double sheathed boxcars and manual #3 switches left China this week on the Vecchio Bridge and are expected mid-April. We are offering 4 new roadnames and they can be viewed or ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/DoubleSheath/BoxcarsUSRADoubleSheathed_in_stock.html Single head upper quadtrant black semaphores - These are made for us by NJ International. We had a run of silver masts made and requests for some with black masts. They include two blades, one with a flat end, the other with a pointed end. I noticed these are not on our website, but I will get Bill to add these two items. The cost is $39.95 and includes the mast, bulb and activation rod only. We also stock TDP servo/optical detectors to activate semaphores as well as crossing gates. If these signals sell well, we will continue to add new varieties. I have asked for a lower quadrant semaphore sample to be made as well as a double headed semaphore. S Scale America 40' steel reefers - Yesterday our shipment from Desplaines Hobbies arrived. These are the PRE R40-23 reefers that were part of the Pacific Rail Shop line. The big difference is that these are assembled and have metal wheels. Robin has asked me to post images of the two tone blue Pepper Packing reefer, a real good looker. I will try to do that for next week. You can view the artwork and order at: http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_reefers_in_stock.html The second run of Gunderson cars has arrived with a new roadname ARZC, and new numbers for the BN and DTTX cars. The coupler height issue from the first run has been addressed for the KD version as well as the AF version. Remember, you have to specify which wheels/couplers are desired on your model. If you want AF comp. Wheels with KD couplers, order the AF version and note in the comments portion of the order page you want KDs installed. We can take care of that here. http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_Gunderson_in_stock.html Now Sold out - Illinois Onion Exchange White Rock 40' wooden reefers SP single trailers AT&AF single trailers Reading single trailers Temporarily sold out 5" straight track Recalled - last run of 00979 AF comp. Wheelsets for lighted and powered cars. The blackening for the metal wheelsets had been changed and now insulates the wheels. We will be sending these back next week. We did send a few of these out before we realized the mistake. The next run will be nickle silver plated wheels for improved electrical pickup. Joseph Haughney wrote: > Don, > > Now that you have been back from your trip to the other side of the world > Joe Haughney > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48098	From: Firewood	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Stumpy...credit or blame?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > Stumpy- > > In the same chat - you got to thinking about a layout > with an Area 51 theme or Alienland or something. > A certain gentleman in my neck of the woods has an S-module with definite moonscapish tones, complete with moonbase buildings, little men in fishbowl helmets, etc. They seem somewhat bemused when surprised by an AF Hudson blasting past in reduced gravity...... Nice articulated loco in those pics. I will be leaning in that direction after comparing my budgetary considerations against that Flyonel Big Boy...... Regards Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48099	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: I have some AF to scale conversion drivers in 2 sizes

Could we not find someone to copy these and make new wheels for people who need drivers. I cut down a battery red plastic wheel and it will fit a AF tire. It looks to fragile to use unless it was made in brass. There is someone who makes brass dies from existing models. I was going to try and power that Marx 333 that I searched 20 years to find. Has anyone found a way to power it or should I put on E-bay? Jim S --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48100	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Stumpy recomendation

The Adam's family is the way to model. Paint everything black. Don't bother finishing tree's. Just say there was a forest fire. Jim S --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48101	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Stumpy recomendation

Prototype would be a model of the Hinkley fire in Minnesota. I'm on cell phone and can't look up the reference but I am sure it is on the web somewhere. Go for it. Bill Drake Presently in very rainy Cleveland but home to Virginia tomorrow.airlines willing JAMES SLEETH wrote: > The Adam's family is the way to model. > Paint everything black. Don't bother finishing tree's. Just say there was a forest fire. > Jim S > ------------ --------- --------- --- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48102	From: Robert Patzwald	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: From a Lionel guy

Hi folks, I have been letting the layout sit for a number of years but he new grand daughter has be working again. I have always liked the smaller size of S guage. For a long time I modeled in HO. I still like HO but I have to admit I am liking what I see in S guage. I am having a hard time learning the nuts and bolts of how it works. Without a third rail does the e unit work the same? I have watched the trains run at train shows and they seem to be smooth and stay on the track really well. I am really impressed with the new items that are available. The cost seems much more reasonable than the new O gauge stuff. I am not sure if I am ready to change to S but I am at least thinking. The kids like the operating accessories and it is easier to do scale stuff on the other side. I know you guys are probably sold on S so give me the pitch! Thanks Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48103	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re;Stumpy recommendation

I don't know about this! If you want everything black, paint your locos and rolling stock like Norfolk Southern does! Although I like the Adam's Family idea too! (-; Stumpy in rainy Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48104	From: roy inman	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: From a Lionel guy

Bob, there has never been a better time to be getting into S. For me, and for about everybody on this list, S is just the ideal size. You can have a nicely detailed layout in about the same space as HO, but with larger, more reliable equipment. Granted, there is more variety in HO, but in recent years almost none of us can afford all that is offered in S anyway. BTW, running AC, the E unit works the same with 2-rail S. Many hi-rail and all scale S folks run DC or DCC however. I am considering switching to DCC myself. Makes for more realistic operation. S Helper makes a dandy track system with molded in roadbed, and their flex track is compatible with it. You can't kill their engines with a stick! The detailing on motive power and rolling stock is excellent, at least as good as anything in HO. American Models makes some very good product as well. They have a track system of flex and constant curve track. We used it when we re-laid our modular layout a couple of years ago. It will handle Flyer and scale alike. And since you are a Lionel guy, as I am sure you know, they have been making equipment under the American Flyer name since the early '90's. Their most recent stuff is the best so far. The Mikado is excellent as is the Pacific; The new Northerns are great runners, but had a sound glitch that was an easy fix. The new Big Boy has lots of us excited, as it will be the first die-cast, mass-produced articulated steam engine in S. The downside to S is that not many hobby shops carry it. But a lot of people buy online or mail order anyway. There are many, many S suppliers that visit this list and the NASG publishes a pretty comprehensive list of suppliers online at www.nasg.org, and there is a hard copy available-as soon as it gets reprinted. Scenery Unlimited's catalog is a "Bible" of sorts for S materials, equipment, structures and supplies. www.heimburgerhouse.com. This is just the tip of the iceberg of course. Others will have more and better ideas. I do hope you decide to make the leap :) Roy Inman From: Robert Patzwald <patzwald@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:02:54 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] From a Lionel guy Hi folks, I have been letting the layout sit for a number of years but he new grand daughter has be working again. I have always liked the smaller size of S guage. For a long time I modeled in HO. I still like HO but I have to admit I am liking what I see in S guage. I am having a hard time learning the nuts and bolts of how it works. Without a third rail does the e unit work the same? I have watched the trains run at train shows and they seem to be smooth and stay on the track really well. I am really impressed with the new items that are available. The cost seems much more reasonable than the new O gauge stuff. I am not sure if I am ready to change to S but I am at least thinking. The kids like the operating accessories and it is easier to do scale stuff on the other side. I know you guys are probably sold on S so give me the pitch! Thanks Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48105	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: From a Lionel guy

As a current active S -Gauger, I too was a Die hard Lionel collector for 50+ years. Between the lawsuits and the litigation, two years ago I switched to S and have been very happy. The equipment from S Helper and the many laser building kits available has been more than enough to satisfy my modeling needs, and has also helped keep in check the feelings of having to keep up with the flood of O Scale items out there. So Take the Leap!!! Dave. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48106	From: michael prell	Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: From a Lionel guy

Robert, If you're running DC you won't have problems with reverse loops or Y's. If not then you need to consider changing polarity. Welcome to the Dark S-ide! Mike Robert Patzwald <patzwald@...> wrote: Hi folks, I have been letting the layout sit for a number of years but he new grand daughter has be working again. I have always liked the smaller size of S guage. For a long time I modeled in HO. I still like HO but I have to admit I am liking what I see in S guage. I am having a hard time learning the nuts and bolts of how it works. Without a third rail does the e unit work the same? I have watched the trains run at train shows and they seem to be smooth and stay on the track really well. I am really impressed with the new items that are available. The cost seems much more reasonable than the new O gauge stuff. I am not sure if I am ready to change to S but I am at least thinking. The kids like the operating accessories and it is easier to do scale stuff on the other side. I know you guys are probably sold on S so give me the pitch! Thanks Bob "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48107	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: From a Lionel guy

Robert, finding this group is a good move. There are some of the sharpest minds in S hanging around here, and some of the nicest folks too. Oh, we fight sometimes, and there is occassional blasts of tall B.S. around here, but a lot of valuable information is dispensed! I've worked in every scale from Z up to 1 1/2" scale ride on trains (this is my third time in S.) I even collected postwar Lionel for several years. As my eyes got older, and I became less tolerant of rivet counters, I looked around for a scale that was bigger, yet didn't take up a garage for storage space. I now work in S hi-rail and On30 micro layouts. These two scales are about the same size in proportion, and the quality is great. Today IS a great time to be in S gauge, as there is a lot of stuff availible. The new stuff is excellent, no open frame motors or sticky old e-units. (I solved this problem in the old Flyer I kit bash by going to casn motors and straight DC power.) And there are enough accessories, most are also better than they used to be, also because of modern technology. There are several good track systems, and you'll find wiring a layout is very much like HO, due to the two rails. Unlike you, I have no grandkids to entertain, just the same big kid I've always been! Stumpy Stone...staying out of the high water in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48108	From: doug_cnw	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: American Models

Anyone know what happened to their website? Do they have a new site?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48109	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models

Doug, The site works for me... gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: doug_cnw To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Anyone know what happened to their website? Do they have a new site? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48110	From: James Hannawald	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models

Doug, They are still there http://www.americanmodels.com/ Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: doug_cnw To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Anyone know what happened to their website? Do they have a new site? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48111	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models

I have had no trouble accessing their website at this link. _http://www.americanmodels.com/whatsnew.html_ (http://www.americanmodels.com/whatsnew.html) - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/20/2008 1:13:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dwyatt@... writes: Anyone know what happened to their website? Do they have a new site? **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48112	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models

It looks OK to me: http://www.americanmodels.com/ Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of doug_cnw Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:29 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Anyone know what happened to their website? Do they have a new site? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48113	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models

Same old place they've been for,,,,, several years methinks: http://www.americanmodels.com/ I just hit it, and it's working fine. phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doug_cnw" <dwyatt@...> wrote: > > Anyone know what happened to their website? Do they have a new site? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48114	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models

From Alan Lambert. I have their Website as a bookmark, and I just went to it and it came up.It should be www.americanmodels.com Some times I don't get a reply from emails sent to them. Thanks, Alan Lambert doug_cnw <dwyatt@...> wrote: Anyone know what happened to their website? Do they have a new site? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48115	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: American Models

----- Original Message ----- From: doug_cnw Anyone know what happened to their website? Do they have a new site? > > > > > > > > > > I just checked, about 3 pm Eastern Time, and it worked for me. But I noted that the most recent entry in the What's New page is almost a year old. I sent Mr B an e-mail, asking about it. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48116	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: 24619 bay window caboose

Greetings S gaugers: I just bought a box of old Flyer stuff at the local train shop. Two pair of remote control swtches, a 471 B unit, a 929 stock car, a 24557 flatcar (minus Tootsietoy Jeep loads), a 24309 Gulf tank (missing dome cap), a 24619 bay window caboose, and a 24106 Pennsy gondola rounded out the strange box lot. The price was reasonable even though everything has needs. I like to tinker... The caboose is strange to me because it is supposed to be an operating caboose (from what I can tell), but there is no caboose man or solenoid mechanism. Off came the top, and I see NO evidence of a solenoid assembly ever being there, and the body slot where the man's metal control arm would be is not scuffed, scratched, or otherwise imperfect in any way. Were there some of these cabooses made without the mechanism? This certainly looks like it never had one. Anyone have any correct Tootsietoy Jeeps for the flatcar? Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48117	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: 24619 bay window caboose

I believe the last operating Caboose was the 25052 caboose of the year 1958, only. Yes, the 977 and some others had operating men on them too, but the 25052 was different and a new caboose for the market. The later years, they just used the body mold for the 25052, 979 to make the 24631, 24619, I believe. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben and Lynn Stiles To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 24619 bay window caboose Greetings S gaugers: I just bought a box of old Flyer stuff at the local train shop. Two pair of remote control swtches, a 471 B unit, a 929 stock car, a 24557 flatcar (minus Tootsietoy Jeep loads), a 24309 Gulf tank (missing dome cap), a 24619 bay window caboose, and a 24106 Pennsy gondola rounded out the strange box lot. The price was reasonable even though everything has needs. I like to tinker... The caboose is strange to me because it is supposed to be an operating caboose (from what I can tell), but there is no caboose man or solenoid mechanism. Off came the top, and I see NO evidence of a solenoid assembly ever being there, and the body slot where the man's metal control arm would be is not scuffed, scratched, or otherwise imperfect in any way. Were there some of these cabooses made without the mechanism? This certainly looks like it never had one. Anyone have any correct Tootsietoy Jeeps for the flatcar? Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48118	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: reverse loops & wyes

----- Original Message ----- To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:35 PM If you're running DC you won't have problems with reverse loops or Y's. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Assuming we're talking about two-rail track, this is not true, whether you're running AC, DC, or DCC. You need to throw some switches when running thru a reverse loop or Wye Or you'll need to have an electronic relay sense when to do so. That's one of the few advantages of 3-rail track, that one has no problem with reverse loops and wyes. tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48119	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: 24619 bay window caboose

Mike- Could be, but Doyle's book shows a 24619 with a rubber man on the platform. But, on eBay right now is a 24619 WITHOUT a man. I guess it could have been luck of the draw whether one got an operating caboose or not? Part/supply shortage have anything to do with it??? Interesting. I will be selling most of the other stuff, but the caboose is a keeper. I did not have any bay window cabeese before. Thanks again! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I believe the last operating Caboose was the 25052 caboose of the year 1958, only. Yes, the 977 and some others had operating men on them too, but the 25052 was different and a new caboose for the market. > > The later years, they just used the body mold for the 25052, 979 to make the 24631, 24619, I believe. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben and Lynn Stiles > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:56 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] 24619 bay window caboose > > > Greetings S gaugers: > > I just bought a box of old Flyer stuff at the local train shop. Two pair of remote control swtches, a 471 B unit, a 929 stock car, a 24557 flatcar (minus Tootsietoy Jeep loads), a 24309 Gulf tank (missing dome cap), a 24619 bay window caboose, and a 24106 Pennsy gondola rounded out the strange box lot. The price was reasonable even though everything has needs. I like to tinker... > > The caboose is strange to me because it is supposed to be an operating caboose (from what I can tell), but there is no caboose man or solenoid mechanism. Off came the top, and I see NO evidence of a solenoid assembly ever being there, and the body slot where the man's metal control arm would be is not scuffed, scratched, or otherwise imperfect in any way. > > Were there some of these cabooses made without the mechanism? This certainly looks like it never had one. > > Anyone have any correct Tootsietoy Jeeps for the flatcar? > > Thanks! Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48120	From: Robert Patzwald	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: More from the Lionel guy

Hi folks, Thanks for the responses. I am sure I have the answer somewhere but why did the three rail track come to be. I was alway under the impression that it was to have an "E" switch neutral position. Second question....If I move to S what track should I work with? I would still like to have a few operating accessories. The kids love that stuff but I enjoy the scenery and scale work of HO. Is there a good compromise? I know one of the reason I am considering a move is I am tired of the tubular track and would like to move to some of the new stuff. Lots of money and if I am going to change then maybe now is the time. Third..........What about turn outs? Are the S items non derailing like the O's. Ok that is enough to keep me busy for a while. I appreciate the help. I need to find a good book. By the way........ There is a great collector book store here in Leavenworth. I haven't check on S scale but they have lots of Lionel stuff and they are on the internet. I think it is just "collector book store. Check ebay if you need them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48121	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: 24619 bay window caboose

You know, maybe I gave bad information, as I should of really checked that out just to be sure. If there was no man, I am sure it was just from the cost cutting that AF was doing. Actually I just looked at my collection as it was from 1958 and mine have no man, as the 935 has no man either. The 979 does have a man. I should of done this yesterday to be more collect, I was wrong on the year. I have never seen it before without a man, as they do not show up at shows or on ebay offend, as I got my 2 on ebay, as I could not find them at York. So ebay does have a good purpose, not to turn this into the much dreaded ebay. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: bstilesaf To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 24619 bay window caboose Mike- Could be, but Doyle's book shows a 24619 with a rubber man on the platform. But, on eBay right now is a 24619 WITHOUT a man. I guess it could have been luck of the draw whether one got an operating caboose or not? Part/supply shortage have anything to do with it??? Interesting. I will be selling most of the other stuff, but the caboose is a keeper. I did not have any bay window cabeese before. Thanks again! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I believe the last operating Caboose was the 25052 caboose of the year 1958, only. Yes, the 977 and some others had operating men on them too, but the 25052 was different and a new caboose for the market. > > The later years, they just used the body mold for the 25052, 979 to make the 24631, 24619, I believe. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben and Lynn Stiles > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:56 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] 24619 bay window caboose > > > Greetings S gaugers: > > I just bought a box of old Flyer stuff at the local train shop. Two pair of remote control swtches, a 471 B unit, a 929 stock car, a 24557 flatcar (minus Tootsietoy Jeep loads), a 24309 Gulf tank (missing dome cap), a 24619 bay window caboose, and a 24106 Pennsy gondola rounded out the strange box lot. The price was reasonable even though everything has needs. I like to tinker... > > The caboose is strange to me because it is supposed to be an operating caboose (from what I can tell), but there is no caboose man or solenoid mechanism. Off came the top, and I see NO evidence of a solenoid assembly ever being there, and the body slot where the man's metal control arm would be is not scuffed, scratched, or otherwise imperfect in any way. > > Were there some of these cabooses made without the mechanism? This certainly looks like it never had one. > > Anyone have any correct Tootsietoy Jeeps for the flatcar? > > Thanks! Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48122	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: More from the Lionel guy

The third rail in Lionel and other Standard Gauge and O Gauge toy track eased wiring problems such as reverse loops, and triggering trackside devices. I have tried American Flyer track, both PikeMaster and the normal stuff, and also have used Gargraves in both S and O gauges. I like S-Helper Service track the best for operating both S "gauge" and "scale" equipment. It is availible as either sectional track with good looking roadbed, or flex track like HO. There are accessory operating tracks availible, so your acessories can be triggered by this fine looking track. SHS turnouts have a moving frog which allows just about every locmotive and car you can think of to run without derailing. I believe this is the only turnout flexible enough to make this claim. Unfortunately, they are only availible in a "number 3" angle right now, both manual and remote controlled, which matches the American Flyer switch radius. Number 5 turnouts and a crossover is in the works, I understand. There are other brands of track on the market, but I will allow those more familiar with those tell you about them. Stumpy Stone...off to the hobby shop again after lunch.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48123	From: roy inman	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: More from the Lionel guy

Robert, I note from your post that you are in Leavenworth; I presume Leavenworth, KS? If so, you might consider hooking up with our Kansas City S Gaugers group. We have members from Topeka and Wichita and from all over the metro area. If you are a local guy and would like to give me a shout I can fill you in on our activities and where you can see several layouts with a variety of equipment and track. In the meantime, for some track options check out www.portlines.com. Roy Inman 913-541-1759 land line 913-205-7143 cellular From: Robert Patzwald <patzwald@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:25:18 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] More from the Lionel guy Hi folks, Thanks for the responses. I am sure I have the answer somewhere but why did the three rail track come to be. I was alway under the impression that it was to have an "E" switch neutral position. Second question....If I move to S what track should I work with? I would still like to have a few operating accessories. The kids love that stuff but I enjoy the scenery and scale work of HO. Is there a good compromise? I know one of the reason I am considering a move is I am tired of the tubular track and would like to move to some of the new stuff. Lots of money and if I am going to change then maybe now is the time. Third..........What about turn outs? Are the S items non derailing like the O's. Ok that is enough to keep me busy for a while. I appreciate the help. I need to find a good book. By the way........ There is a great collector book store here in Leavenworth. I haven't check on S scale but they have lots of Lionel stuff and they are on the internet. I think it is just "collector book store. Check ebay if you need them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48124	From: michael prell	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: reverse loops & wyes

Good to know. I was somehow, under the impression that if one ran on dc, there'd be no problems. Think I saw it either in print here, or in Classic Toy Trains years ago. Beer will do this! Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:35 PM If you're running DC you won't have problems with reverse loops or Y's. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Assuming we're talking about two-rail track, this is not true, whether you're running AC, DC, or DCC. You need to throw some switches when running thru a reverse loop or Wye Or you'll need to have an electronic relay sense when to do so. That's one of the few advantages of 3-rail track, that one has no problem with reverse loops and wyes. tom Hawley "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48125	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: More from the Lionel guy

Hi, You really need to sign your posts so we all know who is talking. Three rail track originally was produced for Lionel Standard Gauge track. It simplifies layout wiring by removing the need for special handling of reverse loops and providing easy block detection for operating accessories. It also permits wheels and axles to be all-metal with no need for insulation. The remote reversing invention came about a couple of decades later. Take a look at S-Trax from the Showcase Line. It looks good, works well, has nickel-silver rails for corrosion protection and has integrated roadbed. The switches have a moving frog feature that allows both scale and hi-Rail wheels to track. I know of no S-gauge turnouts with the anti-derailing feature. I understand it can be accomplished with detectors and external circuitry, although I have not tried it. Good Luck and Keep us posted on your progress, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Patzwald Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 8:25 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] More from the Lionel guy Hi folks, Thanks for the responses. I am sure I have the answer somewhere but why did the three rail track come to be. I was alway under the impression that it was to have an "E" switch neutral position. Second question....If I move to S what track should I work with? I would still like to have a few operating accessories. The kids love that stuff but I enjoy the scenery and scale work of HO. Is there a good compromise? I know one of the reason I am considering a move is I am tired of the tubular track and would like to move to some of the new stuff. Lots of money and if I am going to change then maybe now is the time. Third..........What about turn outs? Are the S items non derailing like the O's. Ok that is enough to keep me busy for a while. I appreciate the help. I need to find a good book. By the way........ There is a great collector book store here in Leavenworth. I haven't check on S scale but they have lots of Lionel stuff and they are on the internet. I think it is just "collector book store. Check ebay if you need them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48126	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: More from the Lionel guy

In a message dated 3/21/2008 11:01:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: The third rail in Lionel and other Standard Gauge and O Gauge toy track eased wiring problems such as reverse loops, and triggering trackside devices. Oh, I thought it was to keep the stuff from falling thru. Jim "have a GREAT weekend" Lyle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48127	From: Charles Voss	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question.

I came upon a box full of very old American Flyer (Pullmans?) which are all made from tin/metal, they are 10-5/8" long and have link couplers. There are no numbers on them and are painted in the SP Daylight colors and suspect they are repaints, two are 3 axled heavyweights. There are two baggage cars, one with a motor inside, the brown plastic brush assmbl. is sticking out the bottom, possibly for a whistle. Most have the screw in light in the middle of floor. I was able to read "American Flyer" on one car. Could someone please tell me what number designation these cars may be and when they were made? Thanks, Chuck Voss

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48128	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: More from the Lionel guy

Hi. People can come up with a dozen reasons for three rail being developed - the only reason for developing it by the pioneers was the problem of insulating the wheels on one side from the wheels on the other to enable a return circuit for the electricity. In the early 1900s the main available insulators were glass, wood or rubber (ebonite or softer rubber), celluloid or varnished paper. The first three were difficult to incorporate in locos or rolling stock. Celluloid gets quickly brittle with age and impregnated paper can be too soft in moving parts. However the paper could be used successfully to insulate a middle rail from metal sleepers (or sleepers could be made of wood with the same effect of insulating a middle wheel). Metal uninsulated wheels, cheap to make, could then be used. In the early 1900's Wyes or operating accessories (at least of the electrically operated variety) were not on the agenda.First rule of detection - look for the easiest answer. Alistair --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > You really need to sign your posts so we all know who is talking. > > > > Three rail track originally was produced for Lionel Standard Gauge track. It > simplifies layout wiring by removing the need for special handling of > reverse loops and providing easy block detection for operating accessories. > It also permits wheels and axles to be all-metal with no need for > insulation. The remote reversing invention came about a couple of decades > later. > > > > Take a look at S-Trax from the Showcase Line. It looks good, works well, has > nickel-silver rails for corrosion protection and has integrated roadbed. The > switches have a moving frog feature that allows both scale and hi- Rail > wheels to track. > > > > I know of no S-gauge turnouts with the anti-derailing feature. I understand > it can be accomplished with detectors and external circuitry, although I > have not tried it. > > > > Good Luck and Keep us posted on your progress, > > Bill > > > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Robert Patzwald > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 8:25 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] More from the Lionel guy > > > > Hi folks, > > Thanks for the responses. I am sure I have the answer somewhere but > why did the three rail track come to be. I was alway under the > impression that it was to have an "E" switch neutral position. > > Second question....If I move to S what track should I work with? I > would still like to have a few operating accessories. The kids love > that stuff but I enjoy the scenery and scale work of HO. Is there a > good compromise? I know one of the reason I am considering a move is I > am tired of the tubular track and would like to move to some of the new > stuff. Lots of money and if I am going to change then maybe now is the > time. > > Third..........What about turn outs? Are the S items non derailing > like the O's. > > Ok that is enough to keep me busy for a while. I appreciate the help. > I need to find a good book. > > By the way........ There is a great collector book store here in > Leavenworth. I haven't check on S scale but they have lots of Lionel > stuff and they are on the internet. I think it is just "collector book > store. Check ebay if you need them. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48129	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question.

In a message dated 3/21/2008 2:54:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, vchuckufarley@... writes: I came upon a box full of very old American Flyer (Pullmans?) which are all made from tin/metal, they are 10-5/8" long and have link couplers. There are no numbers on them and are painted in the SP Daylight colors and suspect they are repaints, two are 3 axled heavyweights. There are two baggage cars, one with a motor inside, the brown plastic brush assmbl. is sticking out the bottom, possibly for a whistle. Most have the screw in light in the middle of floor. I was able to read "American Flyer" on one car. They are post 1938 ( 1940 to 1941) Gilbert acquision of "Chicago" Flyer. Made as 3/16th "O", there was a whistling baggage car, early version of the New Haven coach, the heavyweights are presumably diecast?? The baggage car is a 494 (1940-41), "whistling" baggage s/b 490 (1940-41), the coaches (1940-41) are 495's PLUS a "B" for blue, "R" for red, "T" for Tuscan, "G" for green and THEN with or without an "L" if they had a light. The heavyweight PULLMAN would be 496 with the same color/lighting letters and the Observation would be 497 with the same suffixs. The heavyweights usually died long ago from "zinc-pest" , so, if yours aren't blown, you may have made a real find. Info courtesy of David Doyle's American Flyer Trains (and too many tin cars somewhere around here). Jim "fixin' Flyer on the Keystone Main" Lyle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48130	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Fw: Track Trips

A few weeks ago I put on the available S list that I had about 19 696 track trips for sale. I also have 4 E to LN 697 if anyone is searching. Someone wanted two and promptly send me the money for them. I got the money on Tuesday, but due to the flu, I did not fool with these trips till yesterday, as I still had a bit of flu left. I have not had these trips out since 1994 as they where for the layout that I started this year. And yes, no road bed yet. But the track is down and waiting. I got out my Greenberg book on operating instructions by a Jeff Faust and looked to make sure I had the correct wiring. The below is the email about the problem I encountered. Everything is fine. I see that Jeff is not in the TCA but residue's in Rochester, NY, probably a hang out buddy of Dr. Joseph Lechner who lived in Rochester at one time. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Track Trips Grant I mailed the trips out today in which you have 11 copies of assorted singer songwriters CD, many different styles. There are two different Chuck Brodsky CD's due to him having some more Baseball songs that came out later. Plus 2 dollars, as the postage was 4.60 and I got a box from the grocery store from the meat dept. So, the fact that I sent you CD's that you did not ask probably drove the shipping cost up a bit. I do this all the time sending out 11 to 15 CD's the record is 25 to a poor soul. LOL And I do at no expense to the receiver as I like spreading the music. Some love it, some hate, so if you hate great, if you love great too. The track trips work fine, as I wrapped them in the kitchen towel paper, not too tightly, So open carefully not to crush the plastic shoe on it. If any problems let me know. I will have to tell you that I have not used these in 13 years and I went to a out of print Greenberg book for the wiring. Set one up and nothing. I went through all of them, like 19 and nothing! I even sent out emails in private on the S list, if you are on that, not to alarm you, as I was ready to send you 26 back, as to pay for the postage of the letter you sent. Like what the heck was going on. Then it hit me, this happen in 1994! The wiring diagram in the book was wrong! How can you mess up a connection like this? They had the track trip on the wrong side. I reverse the trip and they worked! So, I put a big note on a piece of paper as I hate to write in books, especially these out of print AF books, so in 15 years when I am 78, I will remember how to correct the problem. I hope by April these will all be gone!! Have a great weekend. I await the drawing for the opening day results for the Nationals. And say hello if you can to Tim Flannery of the Giants. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48131	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert

Hi Gang, We are finally back to work on style 2 of the cruising main series. We have it scheduled for late April release. The project is moving forward nicely and looking good. Also, we finally have our detail parts kits available direct or through our dealers. Many of the parts are exclusive only to these kits http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/detailkits.htm On another note, all alley 4 kits that where advance ordered have been shipped. We just have to get a couple of our dealers stocked. Have a safe holiday week-end, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48132	From: Charles Voss	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question.

Jim, thank you much. I have only seen Flyer S gauge passenger cars plastic, so these were new to me. Chuck Voss --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/21/2008 2:54:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > vchuckufarley@... writes: > > I came upon a box full of very old American Flyer (Pullmans?) which are > all made from tin/metal, they are 10-5/8" long and have link couplers. > There are no numbers on them and are painted in the SP Daylight colors > and suspect they are repaints, two are 3 axled heavyweights. There are > two baggage cars, one with a motor inside, the brown plastic brush > assmbl. is sticking out the bottom, possibly for a whistle. Most have > the screw in light in the middle of floor. I was able to read "American > Flyer" on one car. > > They are post 1938 ( 1940 to 1941) Gilbert acquision of "Chicago" Flyer. > Made as 3/16th "O", there was a whistling baggage car, early version of the New > Haven coach, the heavyweights are presumably diecast?? > > The baggage car is a 494 (1940-41), "whistling" baggage s/b 490 (1940-41), > the coaches (1940-41) are 495's PLUS a "B" for blue, "R" for red, "T" for > Tuscan, "G" for green and THEN with or without an "L" if they had a light. > The heavyweight PULLMAN would be 496 with the same color/lighting letters and > the Observation would be 497 with the same suffixs. The heavyweights usually > died long ago from "zinc-pest" , so, if yours aren't blown, you may have made > a real find. > Info courtesy of David Doyle's American Flyer Trains (and too many tin cars > somewhere around here). > > Jim "fixin' Flyer on the Keystone Main" Lyle > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48133	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question.

Chuck, Your cars are probably 49n series timplate 3/16 - O gauge made arround 1940. They were 3/16 scale with O gauge trucks. They look very weird. The car with the motor is a 490 whistle car if it was gray or 490B if it was blue. The other baggage is 494 baggage car suffix B for blue T tuscan, R red, G green and followed by L if it ws illuminated There was a "American Flyer" coach similar to the 650 New Haven plastic type we all have. This was a 495 again followed by B, T, R, G & L The 6 wheel truck versions are 496 Pullman T G or R with an L if it has a light The last is a 497 T G or R L if illuminated. The Daylight paint job is definately a repaint. See Doyle's Standard Catalog of American Flyer pg 377-8 for pictures. Hope this helps. Sam W seaboard@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Voss To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question. I came upon a box full of very old American Flyer (Pullmans?) which are all made from tin/metal, they are 10-5/8" long and have link couplers. There are no numbers on them and are painted in the SP Daylight colors and suspect they are repaints, two are 3 axled heavyweights. There are two baggage cars, one with a motor inside, the brown plastic brush assmbl. is sticking out the bottom, possibly for a whistle. Most have the screw in light in the middle of floor. I was able to read "American Flyer" on one car. Could someone please tell me what number designation these cars may be and when they were made? Thanks, Chuck Voss [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48134	From: Charles Voss	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question.

Jim, Well, that was a surprize, yes they are O gauge. the bodies are so small compared to Lionel, I just assumed they were S. I should have noticed the longer axles. Thanks again, Chuck Voss --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/21/2008 2:54:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > vchuckufarley@... writes: > > I came upon a box full of very old American Flyer (Pullmans?) which are > all made from tin/metal, they are 10-5/8" long and have link couplers. > There are no numbers on them and are painted in the SP Daylight colors > and suspect they are repaints, two are 3 axled heavyweights. There are > two baggage cars, one with a motor inside, the brown plastic brush > assmbl. is sticking out the bottom, possibly for a whistle. Most have > the screw in light in the middle of floor. I was able to read "American > Flyer" on one car. > > They are post 1938 ( 1940 to 1941) Gilbert acquision of "Chicago" Flyer. > Made as 3/16th "O", there was a whistling baggage car, early version of the New > Haven coach, the heavyweights are presumably diecast?? > > The baggage car is a 494 (1940-41), "whistling" baggage s/b 490 (1940-41), > the coaches (1940-41) are 495's PLUS a "B" for blue, "R" for red, "T" for > Tuscan, "G" for green and THEN with or without an "L" if they had a light. > The heavyweight PULLMAN would be 496 with the same color/lighting letters and > the Observation would be 497 with the same suffixs. The heavyweights usually > died long ago from "zinc-pest" , so, if yours aren't blown, you may have made > a real find. > Info courtesy of David Doyle's American Flyer Trains (and too many tin cars > somewhere around here). > > Jim "fixin' Flyer on the Keystone Main" Lyle > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48135	From: Charles Voss	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question.

Thanks Sam and Jim. My good train buddy recently passed away and his last request to me was that I disasemble his layout and sell his trains on Ebay for his family. I had to wait several weeks after Malcolm left us before I would even consider touching his layout. I found these old cars in a old cardboard box under the layout a few days ago. Chuck Voss --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Sam and Judy Williamson" <seaboard@...> wrote: > > Chuck, > > Your cars are probably 49n series timplate 3/16 - O gauge made arround 1940. They were 3/16 scale with O gauge trucks. They look very weird. > > The car with the motor is a 490 whistle car if it was gray or 490B if it was blue. > > The other baggage is 494 baggage car suffix B for blue T tuscan, R red, G green and followed by L if it ws illuminated > > There was a "American Flyer" coach similar to the 650 New Haven plastic type we all have. > This was a 495 again followed by B, T, R, G & L > > The 6 wheel truck versions are 496 Pullman T G or R with an L if it has a light > > The last is a 497 T G or R L if illuminated. > > The Daylight paint job is definately a repaint. > > See Doyle's Standard Catalog of American Flyer pg 377-8 for pictures. > > Hope this helps. > > Sam W > seaboard@... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Voss > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:47 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer S gauge tin passenger cars question. > > > I came upon a box full of very old American Flyer (Pullmans?) which are > all made from tin/metal, they are 10-5/8" long and have link couplers. > There are no numbers on them and are painted in the SP Daylight colors > and suspect they are repaints, two are 3 axled heavyweights. There are > two baggage cars, one with a motor inside, the brown plastic brush > assmbl. is sticking out the bottom, possibly for a whistle. Most have > the screw in light in the middle of floor. I was able to read "American > Flyer" on one car. > Could someone please tell me what number designation these cars may be > and when they were made? > Thanks, > Chuck Voss > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48136	From: Ed	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Pine Canyon News Advert

Hi Keith, After your last announcement, I gave up on the Bank (Department Store idea) being a part of the layout and now you are asking (LOL) that I keep my original idea, Santa Ed, HOHOHO in the front window with little kiddies. I hope I get a good deal on this waffling that has been going on. ROFLOL. Ok, I think you may win. I didn't replace it yet. What size is the footprint going to be? Will there be a floor between the levels? I am leaving the windows in the front for the office on the 2nd floor and dividing it so the back half will still be store area with a staircase up and down to the basement. Later Santa Ed in Milpitas -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Blanchard Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 1:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Pine Canyon News Advert Hi Gang, We are finally back to work on style 2 of the cruising main series. We have it scheduled for late April release. The project is moving forward nicely and looking good. Also, we finally have our detail parts kits available direct or through our dealers. Many of the parts are exclusive only to these kits http://www.pinecany <http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/detailkits.htm> onscalemodels.com/detailkits.htm On another note, all alley 4 kits that where advance ordered have been shipped. We just have to get a couple of our dealers stocked. Have a safe holiday week-end, Keith Blanchard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48137	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Sn3 VS S

How much wider is S than Sn3? I bid on a pair of indust. Switchers that are Sn3. Is there a really wide gap. If so I guess I could use them in a steel yard with Sn3 track & have an overhead crane over the Sn3 & "S" track. Thanks Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48138	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: More from the Lionel guy

The third rail started in Europe with the introduction of electrically operated trains. It had to do with a lot of legacy two rail wind up equipment manufactured without concern for insulating the rails. By using the center rail concept all of the pre existing windup locos and cars could be used on the same tracks as the electric stuff and wouldn't short it out. The advantages for wiring and operation were a side bonus. Bill Drake Back in Central Virginia after a stormy week in Cleveland --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > The third rail in Lionel and other Standard Gauge > and O Gauge toy > track eased wiring problems such as reverse loops, > and triggering > trackside devices. > I have tried American Flyer track, both PikeMaster > and the normal > stuff, and also have used Gargraves in both S and O > gauges. I like > S-Helper Service track the best for operating both S > "gauge" > and "scale" equipment. It is availible as either > sectional track > with good looking roadbed, or flex track like HO. > There are > accessory operating tracks availible, so your > acessories can be > triggered by this fine looking track. > SHS turnouts have a moving frog which allows just > about every > locmotive and car you can think of to run without > derailing. I > believe this is the only turnout flexible enough to > make this > claim. Unfortunately, they are only availible in a > "number 3" angle > right now, both manual and remote controlled, which > matches the > American Flyer switch radius. Number 5 turnouts > and a crossover is > in the works, I understand. > There are other brands of track on the market, > but I will allow > those more familiar with those tell you about them. > Stumpy Stone...off to the hobby shop again after > lunch. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48139	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: 2008 Flyer Fest West

2008 Flyer Fest West The 2008, 9th annual Flyer Fest West, will be held at The Crowne Plaza Hotel on Saturday May 17th, 2008 in Union City, Ca, 94587, hosted by the Golden Gate American Flyer Club. Registration is $10.00 by April 25th, 2008 and late will be $15.00 each. No mail-in after May 1st, 2008. Registration at the door will be available. Trading tables are available for $15.00 each. A Saturday night banquet will be available with 3 choices for $40.00 including taxes and gratuity. A limited production commemorative Shell 2 dome tank car is available (60 total) for $75.00 each by American Hi-Rail. A picture is at http://www.GGAFC.org in photo section. You must be registered to purchase this car and they will available at the show for pickup. On Sunday will be going to the Niles Canyon Railroad with a roundtrip ride from Sunol to Niles for $8.00 each. Included is a private tour of Brightside work and storage yard. Train departs Sunol station at 1:30 pm. For more information contact the registrar: Mike Stanton PO Box 1643 Martinez, Ca, 94553 FFW2008@... 925-229-4123

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48140	From: michael prell	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: More from the Lionel guy

Gentlemen, this has been quite an interesting history lesson. Thanks! Mike Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: The third rail started in Europe with the introduction of electrically operated trains. It had to do with a lot of legacy two rail wind up equipment manufactured without concern for insulating the rails. By using the center rail concept all of the pre existing windup locos and cars could be used on the same tracks as the electric stuff and wouldn't short it out. The advantages for wiring and operation were a side bonus. Bill Drake Back in Central Virginia after a stormy week in Cleveland --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > The third rail in Lionel and other Standard Gauge > and O Gauge toy > track eased wiring problems such as reverse loops, > and triggering > trackside devices. > I have tried American Flyer track, both PikeMaster > and the normal > stuff, and also have used Gargraves in both S and O > gauges. I like > S-Helper Service track the best for operating both S > "gauge" > and "scale" equipment. It is availible as either > sectional track > with good looking roadbed, or flex track like HO. > There are > accessory operating tracks availible, so your > acessories can be > triggered by this fine looking track. > SHS turnouts have a moving frog which allows just > about every > locmotive and car you can think of to run without > derailing. I > believe this is the only turnout flexible enough to > make this > claim. Unfortunately, they are only availible in a > "number 3" angle > right now, both manual and remote controlled, which > matches the > American Flyer switch radius. Number 5 turnouts > and a crossover is > in the works, I understand. > There are other brands of track on the market, > but I will allow > those more familiar with those tell you about them. > Stumpy Stone...off to the hobby shop again after > lunch. > > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs "Be not afraid of growing slowly. Be only afraid of standing still." ancient Chineese proverb --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48141	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Pine Canyon News Advert

Hi, The footprint of style 2 #811 will be 4-3/8" wide x 4-1/4" deep x 7- 1/4" tall. To keep the price down, there will not be inside dividers. Modelers wishing interior detail can easily make dividers from styrene sheet or card stock. Yes, this project has been pushed back a few times due to having to pay the bills. But its a pet project of mine, so it will be completed soon. Have a great week-end, Keith --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <ejenterp@...> wrote: > > Hi Keith, > > After your last announcement, I gave up on the Bank being a part of the layout. Ok, I think you may win. I didn't replace it yet. What size is the footprint going to be? Will there be a floor between the levels? I am leaving the windows in the front for the office on the 2nd floor and dividing it so the back half will still be store area with a staircase up and down to the basement.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48142	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: S trackwork

Stumpy wrote: SHS turnouts have a moving frog which allows just about every locmotive and car you can think of to run without derailing. I believe this is the only turnout flexible enough to make this claim. How soon they forget. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48143	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: More from the Lionel guy

I operate trains of all sizes, both with and without the silly third rail. I know Lionel was 2-rail up until the 1906-1907 catalogue year when it announced "Look out for the third rail!" Not sure if it was really a daunting warning, or just for little boys' information. Either way, I have always thought/heard it was for ease of wiring. I would (and have) gone with American "S" Gauge track from www.classictrains.com . They have sectional curves and straights, five foot flex track, and now switches. It is a good weight t-rail solid nickel silver rail on ABS plastic ties. It is very sturdy and will run ALL types of S gauge...both scale and high rail. It is great track! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48144	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: S trackwork

Oops, sorry Tom! I didn't mean to slight our esteemed S buddy who makes the neat turnouts and other items. Tom makes excellent stuff to fill in those missing track items SHS doesn't have, as well as for other S track manufacturers. Stumpy Stone...it must be the early Alzhiemer's in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48145	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: 24619 bay window caboose

No problem, Mike. This caboose seems to be an anomoly, and it also makes me happy I snagged the whole box of stuff for $35. If I had reaearched before I posted, I might have been able to answer my own question (Paul Nelson has a blurb about the 24619 in his book as well...mentioning it came without the little man), but it is more fun to put this stuff out to the group. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48146	From: ecphora123	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Gilbert AF 283

Do any of you know what the closest "real to life" Pacific prototype the Gilbert AF 283 locomotives represented? Thanks as always! Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48147	From: Les Mavor	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: SceniKing's updated web site

For all modelers who have been checking back on our web site looking for an update, it is now done. We get many requests by phone or e-mail for certain scenes, and try to prioritize which ones to work on first, but we know there are still some large gaps. Bear with us...we're still working our way thru our 20,000+ photo library, and there's more to come. If you want to add your request to the list, please do so. We're modellers too, and enjoy hearing from other modelers. Les Mavor http://www.sceniking.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48148	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Fw: Trucks for Crane Car

Someone asked about trucks like the ones Dave Smith used on the Lionel crane, pp 26-27, Mar/Apr S Gaugian. The article says he used trucks from Southwind, (lots of detail and expensive). I thought Scenery Unlimited had something similar, and so I asked the person who should know. His response: ----- Original Message ----- Tom: We have a number of trucks that we sell, but nothing exactly like the one Dave Smith used. We have the #314, a non-sprung 6-wheel truck with solid sideframes and a bolster for $8.95 a set, or $24.95 with wheelsets (specify scale or hi-rail). I'm not sure these are "Buckeyes" but they are the closest to the ones Dave used. Don + + + ++ + + Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48149	From: Scale S Only	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Trucks for Crane Car

Hi All -- From what I could see of the trucks in the photo, they appear to be trucks from the OMI SP GS-4 Daylight tender which were available seperately many years ago. But then again, they could have come from the SWM Cab-forward tender, too. Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley where spring is sprung and everything is in bloom. Someone asked about trucks like the ones Dave Smith used on the Lionel crane, pp 26-27, Mar/Apr S Gaugian. The article says he used trucks from Southwind, (lots of detail and expensive). I thought Scenery Unlimited had something similar, and so I asked the person who should know. His response: Tom: We have a number of trucks that we sell, but nothing exactly like the one Dave Smith used. We have the #314, a non-sprung 6-wheel truck with solid sideframes and a bolster for $8.95 a set, or $24.95 with wheelsets (specify scale or hi-rail). I'm not sure these are "Buckeyes" but they are the closest to the ones Dave used. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48150	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/23/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48151	From: harbor_jct	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Smoke, Choo Choo and no squeak, a fix for the LAF Northern

I have performed this operation on both the black and gray painted LAF northerns that I own. Remove the shell from the frame and the smoke element/cover from what I call the air/smoke chamber assembly, then remove the assembly and piston cylinder from the frame. The piston cylinder is a machined brass cylinder that is screwed to the air/smoke chamber assembly from inside the cylinder. Remove the cylinder from the assembly. Place the cylinder face down on a piece of 1/32 inch cardboard. I used the cardboard backing from a pad of paper. With a knife cut through the cardboard around the circumference of the cylinder. With a pointed object, from the inside of the cylinder mark the center of the two holes for the mounting screws and the center of the air hole. Remove the cylinder from the cardboard and drill a 5/64 inch hole for each of the two screw mounting holes and a 1/32 inch hole for the air hole. Insert the piece of cardboard between the air/smoke chamber assembly and the cylinder, lining up the air hole in the cardboard with the air hole in the cylinder, and screw the cylinder onto the assembly. This operation gets rid of the squeak and produces a nice sounding choo choo sound. Also, since the hole in the cardboard is smaller than the hole in the cylinder, greater pressure builds up in the cylinder as the piston head moves forward. This results in the air stream exiting the cylinder with greater velocity which will produce more smoke from the air/smoke chamber assembly. Before replacing the assembly on the frame, remove the Lionel wick and replace it with about a 5 inch long strand of wick material from a wick replacement kit for original flyer smoke units. The replacement wick material produces more smoke than the Lionel wick. Apply about 20 drops of smoke fluid to the new wick. Then replace the gasket on the assembly, the smoke element/cover on the assembly and finally the entire assembly and cylinder back on the frame. If this fix is performed on a northern that has the larger gasket, as my gray northern did, the gasket will need to be cut back to expose the air chamber portion of the air/smoke chamber otherwise the gasket will muffle the choo choo sound. The air chamber is located between the air baffle plate and the face of the piston cylinder. To see if the direction of the air baffle plate inside the air/smoke chamber assembly makes a difference, I removed the baffle from the assembly in my black northern rotated it 180 degrees and inserted it back into the assembly. This operation can be performed by drilling two holes in the bottom of the assembly directly over the air baffle plate, to expose the bottom of the plate. Once this is accomplished, the plate can be tapped out from the bottom of the assembly rotated and then tapped back in from the top of the assembly. The holes in the bottom can be plugged with two part epoxy for metal. Any nicks made in the bottom of the plate due to tapping can be repaired by flowing solder into the nicks and filing it level. After performing this operation on my black northern, I found no difference in the choo choo sound between either my black or gray northern when run with the piece of cardboard installed. To see if removing the resistor circuit board made a difference in the amount of smoke produced, I removed the circuit board from the black northern and wired the smoke element direct to the power wire on one side and through the wire to the smoke switch on the other side. The difference in smoke output is tremendous to say the least. The smoke output from my black northern without the resistor board and with the cardboard installed and the air baffle reversed now reminds me of the smoke output from one of Gilbert's Casey Jones locos. The smoke output from my gray northern with the cardboard installed and with the resistor board still in place now reminds me of the smoke output from my Gilbert northern. The choo choo sound produced after this fix is not quite as loud as Gilbert's choo choo sound. It is however loud enough to be easily heard on my Flyer layout at a distance greater than 30 feet and it is equally as loud as the choo choo produced from the American Models northern that I own. Personally speaking, I am thrilled with the mechanical choo choo sound and smoke output that both northerns now make. I run my non TMCC locos using a Lionel Cab 1 controller and a Lionel Powermaster hooked up between a 30B transformer and the track connection. The Cab 1 allows remote control of the whistle, bell, direction and speed while allowing me to follow the loco around the layout. Setting the sound switch on the bottom of the tender to no sound only affects the electronic chuff. The brake squeal, whistle, bell and the crew talk still sound. I have been having so much fun this weekend running both of the northerns around the layout, following each one around listening to the mechanical choo choo and blowing the whistle like crazy, that it has reminded me of a long forgotten memory of the first time I ran my then new Gilbert northern around a simple oval of track back in the late 1950's. Priceless! Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48152	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Train Shopping!!!

Yesterday Saturday it was too cold to go bike riding so we went to Frederick MD about 20 minutes from our home. We knew about a train shop in downtown Frederick since we saw their ads in Frederick Magazine. We find the place as it is in a industrial looking building, about a block of the main street of downtown Frederick, Market Street. We see that the place, the building is up for lease!!!!! Oh no, another independent to go out of business. We go into the shop anyway, and it was a wonderful train shop, nicely stock with allot of things. www.frederickjunction.com The owner, 69 year old John Hartman is a very friendly person who tells us he has been here since 1999 as a train shop. He owns the building and it used to be a shop selling fire extinguishers. He tells us we are his second customers all week, as we tell him we are S people as we know many shops do not carry S but we like to look anyway. You never know when you might get a idea. I told Linda right before we go in, that it is nice visiting these shops and telling them off the bat that we buy S products only. USUALLY, they have no S and we get to stroll around and leave with out spending a dime. Wrong today!! LOL He tells us he does have some S. He tells us he will make more money leasing the building out, as it is better than going bankrupt and losing everything. I is a matter of time before he closes. He had a wall behind him that was painted like a B&O Passenger car. We exchange train stories for about a hour, as his son kept calling him and he told him he would call back!!! Poor son! Anyway, I see he has a some S Helper train parts as I need a AF type couplers to replace them on a American Models box car kit I have to build that I got from Doug Peck in Wells Maine retail location in a Antique mall for $20 in 1993!!!! AM couplers do not go through my switches. Ben, we should of waited on mailing you the other AM's I have, as I will have another pair for from a York purchase from Joe Haenn, Duke fan, snicker, from a Cities Service tank car. Being new as a operator, I see he has three types of AF couplers replacements from S Helper. One for caboose, hopper or other. I chose other. Then I see he has several S Helper cars, as many of the parts and cars are in the older boxes and wraps from S Helper. They have been sitting here that long!! He has at least one out of print box car the Missouri Pacific look alike AF box car, which I missed out on and maybe a Canadian National Box car. I take those plus a Great Northern Caboose. The MP car was so old, it still had the old retail price of 39.95 on it. So, we get to the counter as I want to look at the couplers for the box cars to make sure I have the right one for the other car at home. As I am pulling the car out of the box, Linda goes "WOW, look at the detail of the underneath!" as S helper detail over all is so life like, as who would think to the bottom too. I wrote to Don Thompson owner of S Helper a good friend too, this story and I told him he should do a ad with Linda holding a box car upside down, looking at it, a grown woman, saying that!! Think of all the train ads you have seen, for those into trains, they are the same boring ads. This would be eye catching for Don and get the buyers attention real quick for many reasons. Okay, not for anything dirty!!!!!! Hey that my wife I am talking about. She would work for anything Chessie he has. Actually any female would work, but I think she should get first curtain call on this!!! I think it get a award for a "ad of the year" etc., as ads do get awards for cleverness, marketing appeal, etc. So, I do have the right couplers and we say our goodbyes, as we spent 165.00. Lunch was 28. Expensive day! LOL The Saturday before when we biked 30.6 miles in Western MD, I only spent a buck 89 on two apples at the local ACT gas station off of I-70 at Big Pool, MD!!! LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48153	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: S trackwork

I have switches at this time where nothing derails because nothing is moving here. Still no roadbed. Sigh! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Stoltz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: mrstumpy@... Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] S trackwork Stumpy wrote: SHS turnouts have a moving frog which allows just about every locmotive and car you can think of to run without derailing. I believe this is the only turnout flexible enough to make this claim. How soon they forget. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48154	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: AF Northern Sound

Has anyone had a problem with the bell and whistle sound not working on the new Northern by Lionel. Sound system works fine, battery replaced last fall, little use since then. Harwood **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48155	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: 355 AF Baldwin conversion to can motor

Hello all I have a 355 Baldwin I want to convert from AF motor to a can motor. How do I do this and whrere do I get the kit? Oh yes how much is kit? Tom David 708.699.9148 PO Box 838 Lockport IL 60441 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48156	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Train Shopping!!!

All 3 S Helper cars I got are no longer available!! I stuck a goldmine of out of production S Helper. I think he had one car left. I can not recall what it was. Email the shop if you are looking for something, as I think it was yellow with black print. It was like a Western state short line maybe? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains Cc: CHARLOTTE SHREWSBURY ; cookie flannery ; John Cangemi ; Larry & Tena Dilello ; Ralph Loveless ; Roger Knight ; SSchaffer ; Steve Hoschler ; steve.conard@... Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Shopping!!! Yesterday Saturday it was too cold to go bike riding so we went to Frederick MD about 20 minutes from our home. We knew about a train shop in downtown Frederick since we saw their ads in Frederick Magazine. We find the place as it is in a industrial looking building, about a block of the main street of downtown Frederick, Market Street. We see that the place, the building is up for lease!!!!! Oh no, another independent to go out of business. We go into the shop anyway, and it was a wonderful train shop, nicely stock with allot of things. www.frederickjunction.com The owner, 69 year old John Hartman is a very friendly person who tells us he has been here since 1999 as a train shop. He owns the building and it used to be a shop selling fire extinguishers. He tells us we are his second customers all week, as we tell him we are S people as we know many shops do not carry S but we like to look anyway. You never know when you might get a idea. I told Linda right before we go in, that it is nice visiting these shops and telling them off the bat that we buy S products only. USUALLY, they have no S and we get to stroll around and leave with out spending a dime. Wrong today!! LOL He tells us he does have some S. He tells us he will make more money leasing the building out, as it is better than going bankrupt and losing everything. I is a matter of time before he closes. He had a wall behind him that was painted like a B&O Passenger car. We exchange train stories for about a hour, as his son kept calling him and he told him he would call back!!! Poor son! Anyway, I see he has a some S Helper train parts as I need a AF type couplers to replace them on a American Models box car kit I have to build that I got from Doug Peck in Wells Maine retail location in a Antique mall for $20 in 1993!!!! AM couplers do not go through my switches. Ben, we should of waited on mailing you the other AM's I have, as I will have another pair for from a York purchase from Joe Haenn, Duke fan, snicker, from a Cities Service tank car. Being new as a operator, I see he has three types of AF couplers replacements from S Helper. One for caboose, hopper or other. I chose other. Then I see he has several S Helper cars, as many of the parts and cars are in the older boxes and wraps from S Helper. They have been sitting here that long!! He has at least one out of print box car the Missouri Pacific look alike AF box car, which I missed out on and maybe a Canadian National Box car. I take those plus a Great Northern Caboose. The MP car was so old, it still had the old retail price of 39.95 on it. So, we get to the counter as I want to look at the couplers for the box cars to make sure I have the right one for the other car at home. As I am pulling the car out of the box, Linda goes "WOW, look at the detail of the underneath!" as S helper detail over all is so life like, as who would think to the bottom too. I wrote to Don Thompson owner of S Helper a good friend too, this story and I told him he should do a ad with Linda holding a box car upside down, looking at it, a grown woman, saying that!! Think of all the train ads you have seen, for those into trains, they are the same boring ads. This would be eye catching for Don and get the buyers attention real quick for many reasons. Okay, not for anything dirty!!!!!! Hey that my wife I am talking about. She would work for anything Chessie he has. Actually any female would work, but I think she should get first curtain call on this!!! I think it get a award for a "ad of the year" etc., as ads do get awards for cleverness, marketing appeal, etc. So, I do have the right couplers and we say our goodbyes, as we spent 165.00. Lunch was 28. Expensive day! LOL The Saturday before when we biked 30.6 miles in Western MD, I only spent a buck 89 on two apples at the local ACT gas station off of I-70 at Big Pool, MD!!! LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48157	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: 355 AF Baldwin conversion to can motor

Contact SnS Trains at www.sns-trains.com Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: tomminil@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com Cc: pashrews255@... ; cookster1030@... ; jacangem@... ; tldilelo@... ; ralcor888@... ; RKnight6@... ; m6sful@... ; steve@... ; steve.conard@... Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 355 AF Baldwin conversion to can motor Hello all I have a 355 Baldwin I want to convert from AF motor to a can motor. How do I do this and whrere do I get the kit? Oh yes how much is kit? Tom David 708.699.9148 PO Box 838 Lockport IL 60441 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48158	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/23/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48159	From: John Degnan	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: "M2 Machines" Autos : SOURCES

MessageI just got this e-mail reply from the manufacturers of the M2 Machines line of die-cast autos as to where these EXCELLENT cars are being retailed, and thought you all might find it interesting... especially the note at the end about Toys R Us as a soon-to-be stocker : ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Mena To: scaler164@... Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: RE: Retail Outlets? 1 Stop Die Cast email: info@... www.1stopdiecast.com Milezone's Toys email: sales @... www.milezone.com Die Cast Direct email: kevin_diecast@... www.diecastdirect.com B2B Replicas email: b2breplicas.com www.b2breplicas.com ToysrUs will have product arpproximately the 3rd week of April. There will be other retailers coming on board later in the year. Thank you for your support and if there is anything else that you may need please let me know. Richard John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48160	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Vinyl Roadbed

Mike I think you may ought to reconsider your roadbed, are these people not selling any roadbed at all? Really doesn't what color it is, you are going to ballast the track? Right? This company took about 6 weeks for my roadbed, but yours is taking just too long? Jerry M Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Yesterday Saturday it was too cold to go bike riding so we went to Frederick MD about 20 minutes from our home. We knew about a train shop in downtown Frederick since we saw their ads in Frederick Magazine. We find the place as it is in a industrial looking building, about a block of the main street of downtown Frederick, Market Street. We see that the place, the building is up for lease!!!!! Oh no, another independent to go out of business. We go into the shop anyway, and it was a wonderful train shop, nicely stock with allot of things. www.frederickjunction.com The owner, 69 year old John Hartman is a very friendly person who tells us he has been here since 1999 as a train shop. He owns the building and it used to be a shop selling fire extinguishers. He tells us we are his second customers all week, as we tell him we are S people as we know many shops do not carry S but we like to look anyway. You never know when you might get a idea. I told Linda right before we go in, that it is nice visiting these shops and telling them off the bat that we buy S products only. USUALLY, they have no S and we get to stroll around and leave with out spending a dime. Wrong today!! LOL He tells us he does have some S. He tells us he will make more money leasing the building out, as it is better than going bankrupt and losing everything. I is a matter of time before he closes. He had a wall behind him that was painted like a B&O Passenger car. We exchange train stories for about a hour, as his son kept calling him and he told him he would call back!!! Poor son! Anyway, I see he has a some S Helper train parts as I need a AF type couplers to replace them on a American Models box car kit I have to build that I got from Doug Peck in Wells Maine retail location in a Antique mall for $20 in 1993!!!! AM couplers do not go through my switches. Ben, we should of waited on mailing you the other AM's I have, as I will have another pair for from a York purchase from Joe Haenn, Duke fan, snicker, from a Cities Service tank car. Being new as a operator, I see he has three types of AF couplers replacements from S Helper. One for caboose, hopper or other. I chose other. Then I see he has several S Helper cars, as many of the parts and cars are in the older boxes and wraps from S Helper. They have been sitting here that long!! He has at least one out of print box car the Missouri Pacific look alike AF box car, which I missed out on and maybe a Canadian National Box car. I take those plus a Great Northern Caboose. The MP car was so old, it still had the old retail price of 39.95 on it. So, we get to the counter as I want to look at the couplers for the box cars to make sure I have the right one for the other car at home. As I am pulling the car out of the box, Linda goes "WOW, look at the detail of the underneath!" as S helper detail over all is so life like, as who would think to the bottom too. I wrote to Don Thompson owner of S Helper a good friend too, this story and I told him he should do a ad with Linda holding a box car upside down, looking at it, a grown woman, saying that!! Think of all the train ads you have seen, for those into trains, they are the same boring ads. This would be eye catching for Don and get the buyers attention real quick for many reasons. Okay, not for anything dirty!!!!!! Hey that my wife I am talking about. She would work for anything Chessie he has. Actually any female would work, but I think she should get first curtain call on this!!! I think it get a award for a "ad of the year" etc., as ads do get awards for cleverness, marketing appeal, etc. So, I do have the right couplers and we say our goodbyes, as we spent 165.00. Lunch was 28. Expensive day! LOL The Saturday before when we biked 30.6 miles in Western MD, I only spent a buck 89 on two apples at the local ACT gas station off of I-70 at Big Pool, MD!!! LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48161	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: looking for parts

Did you ever find the armature you were looking for. I have several... In a message dated 02/17/2008 11:51:34 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, A4S8B7@... writes: looking for parts American flyer diesel #470 Armature /w worm gears American flyer diesel #375 square pick up shoes can some post an audio file of what a #471 B-Unit is supposed to sound like. Mine barley makes any noise I think that paper speaker needs to be replaced. If you have any of these parts and would like to sell contact me at _A4S8B7@dsprototypinA4S8B_ (mailto:A4S8B7@...) Thanks Andy **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48162	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Find the S Scale Cat

While showing Linda the new S Helper cars on the track and how colorful the arrangement of the cars look, fashion has hit the train world, I was telling her that we could do a S scale find the cat theme. For example, on the checkerboard water tower I can take one very small cat and use my glue I got for gluing things lightly to a table and put him high up on one metal legs. Actually if I do that, I should wait to see if anyone notices this cat first. I promise no Lead paint free cat will be harmed in anyway. And to quote the song, My Little Town: "Nothing but the dead and dying Back in My Little Town" as that is the way it is in my little town of no roadbed, no rails, no people and freight to move, no nothing but a bunch of cows and cats taking over the place. Oh, I do have one vintage 1950's Marx (By Marx's!) police man holding up his hand for what traffic I have no idea. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48163	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: DECC and reverse loops & wyes

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48164	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Modern Trains

I mostly model the 50s and 60s era. But yesterday I was riding by the ACCA yards and saw a modern era unit train. Do any of you modern era modelers modelers have a garbage unit train? Seems they would be rather easy to scratch or bash. And hey, you could really hone your weathering skills. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48165	From: Glenn	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Vinyl Roadbed

Hi Mike, If you are giving up on vinyl roadbed why not use 1/2 "O" and 1/2 HO cork. It bends to curves, cuts easy and is on many modular layouts under the ballast. http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/EastCoastHobby.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48166	From: G C	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Find the S Scale Cat

Mike, why not do it up right! Design a scene with an S fire truck with fireman attempting a rescue of the "poor kitty" from the heights. Maybe you could balance the scene with a fire house dog on the truck. L.O.L. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48167	From: G C	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Find the S Scale Cat

Mike, why not do it up right! Design a scene with an S fire truck with fireman attempting a rescue of the "poor kitty" from the heights. Maybe you could balance the scene with a fire house dog on the truck. L.O.L. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48168	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Northern Sound

Harwood- I had a problem with my Northern sound as well. My dealer told me to reverse the feed wires to my track. I really didn't want to do that as i wanted to keep my ground on the outside rail, so I just turned the loco around and ran it the othe way around th eloop. Sure enough, I had all the crew talk, etc. Don't know why, but it worked for me and it's an easy remedy to try. Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: HOwingsiii@... Has anyone had a problem with the bell and whistle sound not working on the new Northern by Lionel. Sound system works fine, battery replaced last fall, little use since then. Harwood

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48170	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Smoke unit fixes for the L-AF Northern [S-Trains] Digest Number

Hi, Rich and friends: To add to the Lionel AF Northern retro-fit fun, a revised smoke unit assembly is now available from Lionel. I have received and installed two revised smoke unit assemblies for the L-AF Northern, #6408064200. The unit includes the cylinder (for the piston), mount, and smoke chamber complete with heating element, the long gasket, and the stack tube. The differences between the original (Fall, 2006 production) stock unit and the revised version are an enlarged vent hole at the base of the cylinder and the long gasket for the smoke chamber. Fiber fill is more generous. It is still equipped with an 18 ohm element (as before) and is intended to be connected with the voltage regulator. The MR Northern already has the revised version. The two replacement smoke unit assemblies were sent to me for free, no questions asked. They arrived the day after my phone call. Exchanging the smoke units requires disassembly of the eccentric crank, removal of the boiler casting, and removal of the retainer plate for the drivers on the bottom of the chassis. The pistons are often found to be poorly lubricated. It is worthwhile to put a thin film of light oil on the piston contact surface before inserting it into the new cylinder. The new smoke units are delivered bone dry, so a fair amount of fluid needs to be titrated into the smoke chamber (>25 drops). Swapping out the units and testing takes about an hour. The revised smoke units (in my 800 black and 809 gray ) resulted in a complete suppression of the infamous ‘chirp’ and somewhat better smoke production. The new unit does not produce a mechanical choo-choo because Railsounds is relied upon by design to produce an electronically generated (~ 4 chuffs/rev) chuff. If at first smoke is weak, the addition of more fluid is still required. Fluid should be added in modest stages so as to achieve a sufficient level but to avoid flooding. Smoke production will not equal what is gained by the schemes by which the smoke unit is effectively placed across track voltage, but heating element longevity will be much greater. The changeover keeps the warrantee valid, if still in effect. Have fun! Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48171	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Northern Sound

I have crew talk & chuff sound. But no whistle or bell sound. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48172	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Find the S Scale Cat

Gene, An excellent idea, but I think we are going to make this into a seek and search the layout for at least eight very small cats! Strategic placement of such cats like in the coal loader, walking the telegraph line, etc. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; cookie flannery ; Ralph Loveless ; steve.conard@... Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Find the S Scale Cat Mike, why not do it up right! Design a scene with an S fire truck with fireman attempting a rescue of the "poor kitty" from the heights. Maybe you could balance the scene with a fire house dog on the truck. L.O.L. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48173	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Train Shopping!!!

Mike- Sounds good on the AM couplers. Let's meet up in York and I will take them off your hands... I have been to the Frederick Junction twice. Both times it was clsed. I was disappointed. Too bad he is closing. Sounds like a nice owner and a nice train shop. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48174	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: AF Northern Sound

No problem activating it with an old American Models OTT sound controller . The only thing is it occasionally sounds the whistle when going over two spots on my track. Actually it is pretty realistic (sounds like the long off groaning ghost whistle), so I have not worried about it much. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48175	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: York Week

Folks: I live in Strasburg, within walking distance of the Strasburg Railroad and Choo-Choo Barn. The TCA museum is a slightly longer walk... I will be around York week...Monday and Wednesday evening, and Saturday all day (I will be going to York Tuesday for the bandit meets...first time with my dad, and all day Thursday and Friday). If any of you TCAers would like to stop in and see my layout/S gauge and other gauges collection, let me know...off list. I am in the TCA directory. Happy Railroading! Ben Stiles 04-57201 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48176	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: 7.5" gauge Doepke

I am now the proud owner of a Doepke handcar, flatcar, and two pieces of original track plus some original literature. What a cool little toy. I loved to ride the handcars at Knoebels Amusement Park as a kid and cried when I was no longer allowed. Owning one of these has been a long time collecting goal. I now own trains in Z., N, HO, S , O, G, Standard, and 7.5" gauges. Whew! With help for the metals teacher at school, I will have a nice loop of track soon and the nephews will be called over to crank the hand car at Uncle Ben's house! I spent all evening Saturday cleaning the set and it turned out well, although the flatcar will need to be restored. I used real white grease and gear oil on the handcar and flatcar. Not quite as finicky as the smaller gauges. Of course...there is no electric to contend with, either. My wife was cute cranking it short distances on the carpet on Easter evening! In keeping with S gauge, I spent the evening tonight cleaning the $35 box of "parts" cars I bought the other day at Cool Trains in Salunga, PA. I am ready to run several of them now! They came out clean as whistles. Happy railroading! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48177	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Animated Cat Rescue

Mike, Here's a link to a video of an animated fireman rescuing a cat from a tree on an "O" gauge layout: http://www.spikesland.com/2000wise/fire&cat.mpg BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48178	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Train Shopping!!!

Ben, That will be fine on the couplers. O:)! The owner is a very nice person. The problem with the shop it is not on the main walking areas for shoppers. If he was on Market st where the shops are, he would have a ton of traffic. The only thing that will make it in that location is a non retail business, ie a doctor, a plumber, lawyer, etc. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben and Lynn Stiles To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Shopping!!! Mike- Sounds good on the AM couplers. Let's meet up in York and I will take them off your hands... I have been to the Frederick Junction twice. Both times it was clsed. I was disappointed. Too bad he is closing. Sounds like a nice owner and a nice train shop. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48179	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Animated Cat Rescue

Thanks Bull. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Animated Cat Rescue Mike, Here's a link to a video of an animated fireman rescuing a cat from a tree on an "O" gauge layout: http://www.spikesland.com/2000wise/fire&cat.mpg BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48180	From: beebear	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: PRINT WHITE DECALS

Allen I checked that site out and they must be very expensive as I didn't see any prices for anything. Also I didn't see where it said anything about printing decals. It looks like you have to use their materials unless I missed something. john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Evans" <allen.evans@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] PRINT WHITE DECALS > New product available to print decals. > > DECAL PRINTER <http://www.saddlepointsystems.com/ff.htm> > > > http://www.saddlepointsystems.com/ff.htm > > > W. Allen Evans > NMRA /NASG > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48181	From: G C	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Find the S Scale Cat

Now Mike, why not nine - each could be a story in itself! Ertle has some great looking farm animals in S, but I don't know if they have any barn yard cats in the bunch. I'm planning on having a dinosaur dig on my layout. That has been a goal of mine for a while. I did a lot of fossil hunting when I was more able. That's what I love about this hobby, you can exercise your imagination at every turn. Gene ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48182	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Train Shopping!!!

Ben and Mike, I attempted to contact this shop with a question and email was sent back as undeliverable. Possibly shop gearing down business already? I had submitted request about any S possibly in stock. Barry Jamison --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Ben, > > That will be fine on the couplers. O:)! > > The owner is a very nice person. > > The problem with the shop it is not on the main walking areas for shoppers. > > If he was on Market st where the shops are, he would have a ton of traffic. > > The only thing that will make it in that location is a non retail business, ie a doctor, a plumber, lawyer, etc. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben and Lynn Stiles > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:21 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Shopping!!! > > > Mike- > > Sounds good on the AM couplers. Let's meet up in York and I will take them off your hands... > > I have been to the Frederick Junction twice. Both times it was clsed. I was disappointed. Too bad he is closing. Sounds like a nice owner and a nice train shop. > > Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48183	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Need help identifying

I need help identifying a "reefer" we wish to display at NTTM. It was a kit, Santa Fe, has S. F.R.D. over the number 25568. Currently has repro(?) A/F trucks under it. Want to display it and credit the maker. Thank You, Jim Lyle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48184	From: Bob McKee	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: PRINT WHITE DECALS

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Evans" <allen.evans@...> wrote: > > New product available to print decals. > > DECAL PRINTER <http://www.saddlepointsystems.com/ff.htm> > > > http://www.saddlepointsystems.com/ff.htm > > > W. Allen Evans > NMRA /NASG > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > The printer is a re-badged ALPS printer. The ALPS saga is a long and convoluted story. ALPS discontinued selling their printers and supplies sometime ago. There's some confusion about whether ALPS has actually shut down their production lines or not. If you really want to wade through the mess of info, check out the alps decal group right here on yahoo. Getting repairs or supplies would be iffy, at best. People who have been using ALPS printers have been searching for alternative print cartridges for years, as there were some other printers that used the same type of cartridge, but they were hard to find also. Bottom line: if you really need white decals made, find a company that will make custom decals. It will probably be cheaper in the long run.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48185	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Industrial Rail Freight Cars

I have been lurking for a while. It was interesting reading the comments a while back about the Industrial Rail C&O type caboose being very close to 3/16" scale. What about the rest of the freight cars in this product line? I am especially interested in the boxcars, reefers, gondolas, and especially the tank cars. Does anyone have any experience with these cars? I am especially happy with the SHS cars but am looking for additional rolling stock at a better price. I am a high rail operator/kitbasher looking for good 5 footers (they look pretty good from 5 feet away). I am currently running a mix of AF, SHS, PRS, AM, and a few converted Big L and Marx cars. Thanks in advance. Lynn Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48186	From: David Engle	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: PRINT WHITE DECALS

Before you yell "NEW" too much, check Oddballs Decals, that Tom Stolte operates out of McLouth, Kansas. He has been running ALPS for years. and that includes S scale stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob McKee To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: PRINT WHITE DECALS --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Evans" <allen.evans@...> wrote: > > New product available to print decals. > > DECAL PRINTER <http://www.saddlepointsystems.com/ff.htm> > > > http://www.saddlepointsystems.com/ff.htm > > > W. Allen Evans > NMRA /NASG > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > The printer is a re-badged ALPS printer. The ALPS saga is a long and convoluted story. ALPS discontinued selling their printers and supplies sometime ago. There's some confusion about whether ALPS has actually shut down their production lines or not. If you really want to wade through the mess of info, check out the alps decal group right here on yahoo. Getting repairs or supplies would be iffy, at best. People who have been using ALPS printers have been searching for alternative print cartridges for years, as there were some other printers that used the same type of cartridge, but they were hard to find also. Bottom line: if you really need white decals made, find a company that will make custom decals. It will probably be cheaper in the long run. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48187	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: rare MD S Scale Boxcar

Today, I have put on the rare U of MD S scale decals on the repainted box car that I completely messed up the first time. Tonight, I spray the clear coat. Then tomorrow the wheels go back on. Now, if I can find someone foolishly to give me 2000 for this car, as it is rare, to me, I will be very happy to make another one. No road bed, day 85 and waiting. For those young enough to remember the hostages being held in Iran in the 1970's, I feel hostage to the roadbed company!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48188	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Vinyl Roadbed

This is what I did. It is harder than actual even "halves" of cork because you can't line it up on the center radius line, but it was economical and for me matched the color of the wooden roadbed of my inherited Tru-Scale track fine. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48189	From: G C	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Freight Cars

Hi, I looked at the IR box cars at Toy Trains Unlimited, our local train shop here in Hanover, PA, but I think they are a bit to large when compared to Flyer and certainly SHS. I did a one for one comparison between an IR and a Flyer box car, and in my humble opinion the IRs are similar in size to the K Line S cars. In the case of both the IR and the K Lines, the cars are not only longer, but higher than Flyer as well. It isn't the length that bothers my eye, but the height. I will say that I was a bit disappointed as the graphics of the IR box cars are quite good and the NYC Pacemaker car I used for the "size up" looked great. I have no experience with the other IR freight car types, but others will chime in. Also, I am wondering about the size comparison of the caboose as Ron, the owner, didn't have any in the store that day. So many, have said such good things about them. Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48190	From: paflyrman	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Freight Cars

There is also a clearance problem running these type cars by AF trackside operating accessories such as the baggage loader and the cattle loader, etc. The baywindow K-line caboose especially comes to mind. paflyrman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I looked at the IR box cars at Toy Trains Unlimited, our local train shop here in Hanover, PA, but I think they are a bit to large when compared to Flyer and certainly SHS. I did a one for one comparison between an IR and a Flyer box car, and in my humble opinion the IRs are similar in size to the K Line S cars. In the case of both the IR and the K Lines, the cars are not only longer, but higher than Flyer as well. It isn't the length that bothers my eye, but the height. I will say that I was a bit disappointed as the graphics of the IR box cars are quite good and the NYC Pacemaker car I used for the "size up" looked great. > > I have no experience with the other IR freight car types, but others will chime in. Also, I am wondering about the size comparison of the caboose as Ron, the owner, didn't have any in the store that day. So many, have said such good things about them. > > Gene Cimino > > > _____________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48191	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Fw: Worlds great Hobby show at Kansas city

This is a email I sent to Clem Clement, as he sent me some AF pictures of a layout at a train show in KC. I got a idea from this small layout, which means more switches! LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Clem Clement Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Worlds great Hobby show at Kansas city Hi Clem, I was showing Linda the Pictures you sent me from the AF layouts, as I told you yesterday it gave me an idea. While showing Linda the pictures, you could see a little bit of a Barrel loader, just barely the edge with a bit of the building like a foot high in S scale. She goes, "Look a Barrel loader!" She know her trains. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Clem Clement To: mike marmer@... Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: Worlds great Hobby show at Kansas city The S gaugers at Kansas City at the WGH Show. TCA had 2 booths thee recruiting. Sandy and I drove out with the O gauge layout Clem [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48192	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Thanks Tom!!!

I want to thank Tom Bianculli for him making me U of MD decals for the box car. He was so kind in doing this for me, as he had to make the logo's I sent him into a size to fit the car. Then to do all the work with the material of decal paper and spray for the decal. The re-birth of this car after a terrible first paint job looks wonderful. This is the one good thing about the TCA is the TTML and how one can met many people and good on in private to develop a friendship. Tom is a O gauger as I am a S gauger. Although there are not many S people on the TTML, I have met many and become good friends with many O people. S & O people can get along just fine!!! The other day, I mention many people who have sent me things without my asking for them! O:)! I forgot Mike Strickland who sent me two bottles for my Milk Bottle collection. One was his secret bottle that he used in making his "Anormal Smoke Fluid" and it was a glass urine bottle!!! Now that is usual as today, doctors have you used a plastic cup! Thank Mike Oh, if I can, for those of you who remember ESSO, on a folk song, the singer is singing about a man, as they hang around the ESSO station. Someone on the chat group,I am on for this performer, David Mallett, wonder what is the S O station!? I take this person was born after 1965 or so. Okay, stop laughing now. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48193	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Freight Cars

Lynn, Before there is a mix up, the Industrial Rail caboose that is so very close to 1/64 is the Santa Fe style caboose that came in Santa Fe, BN and C&O. And it appears to not have been carried over to the Atlas Industrial line. I now see there is a C&O style caboose in the catalog with C&O lettering...You probably need to see that one to make sure,,,there was some comment about the ore cars...they look better with S trucks under them...the log cars might work well also with a change of trucks...You really need to see each car to judge its useage in S....Some cars might be useable more so than others. gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: lynnshouse2000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Industrial Rail Freight Cars [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48194	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Freight Cars

Lynn, Here is a link to my string of 3 IR ore cars with SHS trucks and Kadee 802s. http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/027-wooden-hoppers-converted-2-S-scale.jpg.html Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: lynnshouse2000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Industrial Rail Freight Cars I have been lurking for a while. It was interesting reading the comments a while back about the Industrial Rail C&O type caboose being very close to 3/16" scale. What about the rest of the freight cars in this product line? I am especially interested in the boxcars, reefers, gondolas, and especially the tank cars. Does anyone have any experience with these cars? I am especially happy with the SHS cars but am looking for additional rolling stock at a better price. I am a high rail operator/kitbasher looking for good 5 footers (they look pretty good from 5 feet away). I am currently running a mix of AF, SHS, PRS, AM, and a few converted Big L and Marx cars. Thanks in advance. Lynn Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48195	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail freight cars

The ore cars will work in S and On30. The On30 guys bought a bunch of them before IR was bought out by Atlas. Since Bachmann already made a nice diecast Skeleton Log Car, the On30 gang passed on them. The other cars are under scale, but I don't know if they'll work for S. I wish the IR Atlantic's tender was availible so I could use it. Stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48196	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Vintage 1:64 craftsman kit

Several months ago I received a swap box with several vintage 1:64 kits in various degrees of completion with no instructions or boxes. One kit was this nicel y done wooden gondola. I need help identifying this kit (and the initial builder, if possible). The integrated stake and pocket castings were only installed on one side, so I need to find 9 more of these castings to complete the model. The integrated castings appear to be black plastic (I'm guessing styrene??, because the paint is well stuck). Could they be vintage Grandt line castings? http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/S-Scale-vintage-wooden-gondola-kit-DCP5016-crpd.jpg.html http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/S-Scale-vintage-wooden-gondola-kit-DCP5017-crpd.jpg.html If you can help, please contact me offlist. BTW, Gale, this may have been in one of our swap boxes - I can't remember. THNX, Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48197	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Archbar Trucks

I just got a message from Keith Wiseman - as you may or may not know, Keith purchased Dale's V&T line of models, including the S-scale archbars trucks. Here is his msg. I am slammed the next couple days, but know that I have the old V&T Shops S scale trucks. Ask around on the list and see if anyone has those and if they would work for what people want. They are spring trucks and will have to be assembled by the user. I do not have wheelsets for them so I could sell them with springs for $8.00 per pair. Thanks Keith Wiseman Wiseman Model Services Inc. 627 Cedar Lake Ewing,Kentucky 41039 606-267-3466 e-mail kwiseman@... web site = www.wisemanmodelservices.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48198	From: Glenn	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage 1:64 craftsman kit

Hi Don, First I had to go to your main page at: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr.html to see the photos. It looks like something I would have scratch built in the 50s using balsa wood. I have Kinsman kits but it does not look familiar. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Munsey Jr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Vintage 1:64 craftsman kit Several months ago I received a swap box with several vintage 1:64 kits in various degrees of completion with no instructions or boxes. One kit was this nicel y done wooden gondola. I need help identifying this kit (and the initial builder, if possible). The integrated stake and pocket castings were only installed on one side, so I need to find 9 more of these castings to complete the model. The integrated castings appear to be black plastic (I'm guessing styrene??, because the paint is well stuck). Could they be vintage Grandt line castings? http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/S-Scale-vintage-wooden-gondola-kit-DCP5016-crpd.jpg.html http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/S-Scale-vintage-wooden-gondola-kit-DCP5017-crpd.jpg.html If you can help, please contact me offlist. BTW, Gale, this may have been in one of our swap boxes - I can't remember. THNX, Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 0.0.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1340 - Release Date: 3/23/2008 6:50 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48199	From: G C	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail freight cars

Anyone know if the original pre-Atlas IR Santa Fe style caboose is still available from any source? Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48200	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Vinyl Roadbed

Has anyone else used a roll of underlayment for laminate floors for roadbed? While nowhere near as thick as the vinyl roadbed, the 6' roll is sold by the foot and any dealer that sells laminate flooring will sell it. Talk about availability! Use your favorite suitable (acrylic) glue (it isn't glued for flooring) and press it out or weigh it down. It cuts with scissors. You may want to paint over the original color (light blue in this case) and then glue track and later any ballast. Alan Udy Idaho Falls ID _____________________________________________________________ Click for a credit repair consultation, raise your FICO score. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m2LWqrgLltwX21M0ehbWkvaDcIz0EVs9kBFuqXsCyRcLIEL/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48201	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Industrial Rail Freight cars

When there was a very limited selection of freight cars for S Gaugers I can see looking at Lionel 027, Marx or even Industrial Rail freight cars for conversion to S Gauge. But with the fantastic selection from S Helper /Showcaseline , American Models and Lionel S Gauge the selection is fantastic and these are all in proper 3/16th dimensions and my thought is why wast time in conversion. I was wondering what car does Industrial Rail have that the main S Gauge companies don't have? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48202	From: ecphora123	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Freight cars

Hi Jerry, I noticed your statemet: "But with the fantastic selection from S Helper /Showcaseline , American Models and Lionel S Gauge the selection is fantastic and these are all in proper 3/16th dimensions and my thought is why wast time in conversion." Well, I agree it doesn't make sense to try and convert anything that is out of scale with S, but folks like myself enjoy having at old flyer, Marx and Lionel 027 if we can make something different and for the most part unavailable, we are happy for the experience. I often see the comment that why do it as it will take so much work, when you could just go buy something from folks like Don at SHS. I am still buying stuff from there as well as other sources, but maybe I just resally enjoy bashing stuff and love the challenge. Different strokes for different folks as they say! I'm just throwing this out there as food for thought. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48203	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: (no subject)

To the group, I am inquiring if someone can tell me what the largest American Flyer layout on public display is and where it might be located? I also would like to know size and if any pictures might be available. just adding to my Flyer knowlege base and planning vacations. Thanks, Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48204	From: Trains	Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group for r

Hi everyone, and now for something completely different: I am looking for the ideal location to move to for an S enthusiast and train nut to retire to. Some thoughts: 1. Great fraternety of S enthusiasts both scale and AF with active club/group/s. 2. Within 1/2 hour or so of an urban area with access to VA facilities. 3. No extreem cold or tropical climate. 3a. No flooding/rising water/huricane problems. 4. Lower taxes/cost of living (income,sales,property) 5. Lower housing costs (Looking at $150,000 as max.) 6. Place with a full size dry basement or other layout suitable space. 7. Varied environment with stimulating landscape rural in character. With four seasons, moderate winters and summers? Some place I have looked: South Dakota,Deleware,Tennesee, Indiana, Arkansas, Virginia, N. Carolina, Oregon, Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota. Places that are out of consideration: California, Florida, North Dakota, Maine, Vermont, Alaska What are your thoughts??? I would be gratefull for any suggestions, ideas do's and don'ts, especially local pros and cons. I am in a unique situation, in that I have no ties to a specific place and could relocate anywhere I want...especially to a S friendly locale. Currently I am In Southern Oregon...like it here environmentally, however am isolated S wise and real estate prices are going up here...mostly due to all the thousands of Californians that are moving here to retire....you get about half the house for twice the price, compared to mid west. So S heads do your thinking and help me help myself. Thank you in advance, Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48205	From: roy inman	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re:

I believe that the largest permanent S display in America is in the Cincinnati Union Terminal museum complex. www.cincymuseum.org. Roy Inman From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:57:11 -0400 To: s-trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] To the group, I am inquiring if someone can tell me what the largest American Flyer layout on public display is and where it might be located? I also would like to know size and if any pictures might be available. just adding to my Flyer knowlege base and planning vacations. Thanks, Larry Moore __________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48206	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re:

Hi Larry, One of the largest American Flyer layouts, is in New Jersey, 18 miles south of Atlantic City .......... ." Flyertown Toy train Museum and operating model railroad". The display is fantastic. Flo and Joe Jones, 2044 route 9, Claremont, New Jersey.. (609)-624-3173 .. They are open on Saturday and Sunday afternoon.. Make sure you plan plenty of time.. He has over 100 complete American Flyer sets on the walls around the layout..He runs about 3-5 trains at the same time, some new ones and some classic.. I was there about four weeks ago, and I am already planning my next trip .. Mike (Itasca-flyer) -------------- Original message -------------- From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> To the group, I am inquiring if someone can tell me what the largest American Flyer layout on public display is and where it might be located? I also would like to know size and if any pictures might be available. just adding to my Flyer knowlege base and planning vacations. Thanks, Larry Moore __________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48207	From: Trains	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re:

Some may know this,and some may not...one of the largest S gauge public display layouts is/was in Nuerenberg,Germany as part of a permanent museum display. (Nuerenberg is the center of the world toy trade fair annualy). Some locos and rolling stock was made localy some AF stuff, some a combinaiton of both. It will take a bit of research, there are photos and documentaion. Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48208	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re:

Dear Peter, Vic Roseman gave me a European magazine that featured this S gauge layout in Nuerenberg. I believe it was built by U.S. GIs who were stationed in Germany. If I can find the magazine, I can scan some of the really nice images and post to our website. Best, Don Trains wrote: > Some may know this,and some may not...one of the largest S gauge > public display layouts is/was in Nuerenberg,Germany as part of a > permanent museum display. (Nuerenberg is the center of the world toy > trade fair annualy). Some locos and rolling stock was made localy some > AF stuff, some a combinaiton of both. It will take a bit of research, > there are photos and documentaion. > > Peter Loeb > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48209	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...

Hanover, PA - Perfect fit for you. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48210	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re:

Now you tell me - have been there twice in the last six months and didn't know to look for it. Bill Drake Finally over the flu in Central Virginia --- Trains <rr4u@...> wrote: > Some may know this,and some may not...one of the > largest S gauge public display layouts is/was in > Nuerenberg,Germany as part of a permanent museum > display. (Nuerenberg is the center of the world toy > trade fair annualy). Some locos and rolling stock > was made localy some AF stuff, some a combinaiton of > both. It will take a bit of research, there are > photos and documentaion. > > Peter Loeb > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48211	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4011

i used carpet underlayment...and it works great..its been down since the 70s...and never had a probllem with it..easy to cut ...sound deading..can really hear the chuff...great stuff and cheap... --- the forwarded message follows --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48212	From: ecphora123	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > Hanover, PA - Perfect fit for you. Yes indeed, between Toy Trains Unlimited here in town and Don Carver's store in G'burg, PA, I can get a good bunch of Flyer,Flyonel,SHS,AM and whatever else my retirement funds can purchase. There are three of us here in town, Buddy Messinger, Ron Borsella and myself, who are in the BAAFC. There may be others as well who are into S, but I haven't met or enlisted them as yet, but I know of several O gauge folks as well. Also, we have two functioning railroads here as well - CSX and York Rail. G&W owns York Rail and they just purchased Maryland Midland. So I assume at some point we may see some MM motive power here as well.So when I'm not eating potato chips and pretzles, I'm playing with trains. If you didn't know Hanover is the snack food capitol of America. And of course,York is very close! That was the biggest S thrill I had when I moved here just over a year ago. Now if I could just find more S people that I could coherse into helping me build my layout, life would be really wonderful.- L.O.L. I can go on and on, but I just realized that Lancaster's Toy Train Museum is within easy reach as well. Thanks, Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48213	From: Glenn	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...

Move further East in PA to Lancaster, Strasburg, Gap or Paradise and join the PVMR. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html We have the National Toy Train Museum, Bob Boards "All Aboard" S gauge railroad and you can hang out with notable people like Jim Lyle (he sells S gauge, Ben Stiles http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/benstiles.html and have loads of fun in Amish country. We have "Over 55" communities and retirement communities. Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48214	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4011

That is pretty interesting. Is carpet underlayment different from carpet padding? Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of butch8339@... Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:04 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4011 i used carpet underlayment...and it works great..its been down since the 70s...and never had a probllem with it..easy to cut ...sound deading..can really hear the chuff...great stuff and cheap... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48215	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: German toy museum

- If I remember correctly, the layout was built by a German fellow and resided in his home for several years. He later donated it to a German toy museum in Nuremberg. I visited the layout several times in the late 1970's and early 1980's, and found it very impressive. It was built around American Flyer trains and included many modified Flyer and custom built models. I hope it still exists. The layout was featured in the S Gaugian magazine, but I can't remember the year. I think it was in the 1980's. I will try to locate the issue. Harry Eberhardt -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Dear Peter, > Vic Roseman gave me a European magazine that featured this S gauge > layout in Nuerenberg. I believe it was built by U.S. GIs who were > stationed in Germany. If I can find the magazine, I can scan some of > the really nice images and post to our website. > Best, > Don > > Trains wrote: > > > Some may know this,and some may not...one of the largest S gauge > > public display layouts is/was in Nuerenberg,Germany as part of a > > permanent museum display. (Nuerenberg is the center of the world toy > > trade fair annualy). Some locos and rolling stock was made localy some > > AF stuff, some a combinaiton of both. It will take a bit of research, > > there are photos and documentaion. > > > > Peter Loeb > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48216	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4011

There is a very nice foam product that Steve & Sam used on their layout. It comes in rolls & is VERY cheap. They use it to seal sill plates when framing a house. It can be trimmed if needed or doubbled. Steve might be able to give a bit more info. It is also in one of their VHS tapes on AF. Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48217	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...

Glenn, Sounds wonderful but it smells all the time in Lancaster of horse by products in the soil!!! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group... Move further East in PA to Lancaster, Strasburg, Gap or Paradise and join the PVMR. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html We have the National Toy Train Museum, Bob Boards "All Aboard" S gauge railroad and you can hang out with notable people like Jim Lyle (he sells S gauge, Ben Stiles http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/benstiles.html and have loads of fun in Amish country. We have "Over 55" communities and retirement communities. Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48218	From: Glenn	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...

Actually it's mostly cow by products. The horse by products are on the road. We call them Road Apples. The smell is very rare. Depends on which way the wind blows. We never smell it in our house. Always inside running trains. They don't spread manure every day but what does this have to do with S gauge trains? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group... . Glenn, Sounds wonderful but it smells all the time in Lancaster of horse by products in the soil!!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48219	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: German toy museum

I'd be interested to know what he used for track because of course the local German and French Commercially made S gauge toys won't run properly on Flyer track being fractionally wider than the Gilbert product in gauge. Alistair --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hgetrain" <harry.eberhardt@...> wrote: > > - > If I remember correctly, the layout was built by a German fellow and > resided in his home for several years. He later donated it to a > German toy museum in Nuremberg. I visited the layout several times in > the late 1970's and early 1980's, and found it very impressive. It > was built around American Flyer trains and included many modified > Flyer and custom built models. I hope it still exists. > > The layout was featured in the S Gaugian magazine, but I can't > remember the year. I think it was in the 1980's. I will try to locate > the issue. > > Harry Eberhardt > > > > > -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@> wrote: > > > > Dear Peter, > > Vic Roseman gave me a European magazine that featured this S > gauge > > layout in Nuerenberg. I believe it was built by U.S. GIs who were > > stationed in Germany. If I can find the magazine, I can scan some > of > > the really nice images and post to our website. > > Best, > > Don > > > > Trains wrote: > > > > > Some may know this,and some may not...one of the largest S gauge > > > public display layouts is/was in Nuerenberg,Germany as part of a > > > permanent museum display. (Nuerenberg is the center of the world > toy > > > trade fair annualy). Some locos and rolling stock was made localy > some > > > AF stuff, some a combinaiton of both. It will take a bit of > research, > > > there are photos and documentaion. > > > > > > Peter Loeb > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48220	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...

Toooo crowded over that, way stay west of York if you can. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48221	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Layout update

Today, even through I have no roadbed, my little town of death and dying has regained some strength to layout down some more track and add 3 switches. this layout ,while waiting for the roadbed ,has gone from 14 switches to 23 now. I think this is a ploy between Vinyl, Classic trains and dealers of Classic trains track! LOL On my layout I have a oval with two sidings for the saw mill and the barrel loader. I made another branch of siding from the sawmill for a log dump car. As wood is needed to be deliver to the saw mill. And I added W type siding for the barrel loader, as it will have a spot for the SHS C&O switcher I am getting next month and a siding for a truck unloading car. So, the few cats and cows around where able to scrape up enough money to pay for this addition venture. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48222	From: michael prell	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update

Mike, If you're going to have a log dumper, you should think about a Log Loadr. I saw a 751 on e-bay a while ago. It couldn't hoit! M. Prell Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Today, even through I have no roadbed, my little town of death and dying has regained some strength to layout down some more track and add 3 switches. this layout ,while waiting for the roadbed ,has gone from 14 switches to 23 now. I think this is a ploy between Vinyl, Classic trains and dealers of Classic trains track! LOL On my layout I have a oval with two sidings for the saw mill and the barrel loader. I made another branch of siding from the sawmill for a log dump car. As wood is needed to be deliver to the saw mill. And I added W type siding for the barrel loader, as it will have a spot for the SHS C&O switcher I am getting next month and a siding for a truck unloading car. So, the few cats and cows around where able to scrape up enough money to pay for this addition venture. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48223	From: J.E. Dalton	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy

Hey gang, Have been emailing Lionel re: various features since seeing a converted K-Line Big Boy run at last Fri's club mtg.. In essence, they have confirmed the Flyonel B.B. uses the K-Line shells & running gear (modified for S Gauge), and will 1) sit closer to the track, 2) be closer coupled to the tender, & 3) use a wireless tether. This strikes me a very good news. It was nice to have such positive interaction with them. BTW, you probably know the Early Buy deadline has been extended to the end of March. Regard"S", JED John Dalton Golden Gate American Flyer Club P.S., Here's the text of their main response. "-----Original Message----- From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@...> To: jedmsie@... Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 5:51 am Subject: Re: Purchasing Product Question Here is some additional info provided by our product development staff. Regarding the S Gauge Big Boy, we will be working to get the body to sit lower to the drive wheels and to decrease the tender loco gap. Also, this will most likely have a wireless tether rather than the tether shown in the catalog picture. Talk To Us" John Dalton --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48224	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Really Rare MD Boxcar

In light of my making fun of me having a "rare" S Scale U of MD boxcar, I do have a rare but not too valuable in dollars, Athearn HO U of MD NCAA 1953 Football Championship boxcar. I got this car in 1996, after we left Byrd Stadium in College Park, when MD got the usual crushing by FL State in the 3rd quarter when MD had a slim halftime lead. They lead 14 to 10 only to be killed 56 to 14. We stopped in the Student Union and in the bookstore, the gift shop dept, they had this MD car kit. I got one. Put it together, as it sits today in the living room. Last year I was going through my HO boxes and I came across the empty box for this car. I notice that the town it was made it or distributed by was a Carver's Hardware in Rougemont NC. the home of TCA member and S parts dealer Joe Haenn. Joe, his wife and us went to a MD FSU game in 2006 where MD won that October, but it was so cold half the stadium emptied out at halftime. Joe told me that Mr. Carver had Athearn make a series of box cars for the teams in the ACC with a championship. My car is number 0007 in the series. Joe found two Wake Forest cars as they won the NCAA baseball title in 1955. Good year, they win, the Dodgers win their only title and I was born! He wanted to know if I would donate the car to the Rougemont Museum. I am still thinking about it!!! So, there is a MD box car that is few in numbers just like the rest of the series. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48225	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Digest # 4011

I have not used it, but I'm told the stripping used between truck bed caps and the sides of pick up truck beds makes good roadbed. You don't even have to use glue to hold the track down as it is sticky on both sides! Stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48226	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...

Peter, Sit on your "S" & wait. They will come to you. I'm part of the advance guard. Been here 5 years, there are a few among us. The Californians are on their way with $ & trains. Mike in Medford PS: Start digging your basement now **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48227	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: German toy museum

- The layout was featured in the July/August 2001 issue of the S Gaugian magazine. I didn't realize it was so recent. My memory really failed me on this one. Harry Eberhardt -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hgetrain" <harry.eberhardt@...> wrote: > > - > If I remember correctly, the layout was built by a German fellow and > resided in his home for several years. He later donated it to a > German toy museum in Nuremberg. I visited the layout several times in > the late 1970's and early 1980's, and found it very impressive. It > was built around American Flyer trains and included many modified > Flyer and custom built models. I hope it still exists. > > The layout was featured in the S Gaugian magazine, but I can't > remember the year. I think it was in the 1980's. I will try to locate > the issue. > > Harry Eberhardt > > > > > -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@> wrote: > > > > Dear Peter, > > Vic Roseman gave me a European magazine that featured this S > gauge > > layout in Nuerenberg. I believe it was built by U.S. GIs who were > > stationed in Germany. If I can find the magazine, I can scan some > of > > the really nice images and post to our website. > > Best, > > Don > > > > Trains wrote: > > > > > Some may know this,and some may not...one of the largest S gauge > > > public display layouts is/was in Nuerenberg,Germany as part of a > > > permanent museum display. (Nuerenberg is the center of the world > toy > > > trade fair annualy). Some locos and rolling stock was made localy > some > > > AF stuff, some a combinaiton of both. It will take a bit of > research, > > > there are photos and documentaion. > > > > > > Peter Loeb > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48228	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update

Mike, Thanks for the suggestion, but I just don't have the room for one. I have a ton accessories, saw mill, barrel loader, stock yard, piggy back unloader, milk car, Joe and Moe, mail pick up, plus the auto and log dump, Gabe, water towers. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update Mike, If you're going to have a log dumper, you should think about a Log Loadr. I saw a 751 on e-bay a while ago. It couldn't hoit! M. Prell Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Today, even through I have no roadbed, my little town of death and dying has regained some strength to layout down some more track and add 3 switches. this layout ,while waiting for the roadbed ,has gone from 14 switches to 23 now. I think this is a ploy between Vinyl, Classic trains and dealers of Classic trains track! LOL On my layout I have a oval with two sidings for the saw mill and the barrel loader. I made another branch of siding from the sawmill for a log dump car. As wood is needed to be deliver to the saw mill. And I added W type siding for the barrel loader, as it will have a spot for the SHS C&O switcher I am getting next month and a siding for a truck unloading car. So, the few cats and cows around where able to scrape up enough money to pay for this addition venture. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48229	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: German toy museum

- The track, turnouts, structures, and most of the rolling stock were scratchbuilt. The layout was 325 sq ft in area, had 565 ft of track, 89 turnouts, 37 engines, 89 freight cars, and many scratchbuilt passenger cars. The layout was built by Dr. Wolfram Bismark, in his spare time, between 1950 to 1974. Harry Eberhardt -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> wrote: > > I'd be interested to know what he used for track because of course > the local German and French Commercially made S gauge toys won't run > properly on Flyer track being fractionally wider than the Gilbert > product in gauge. Alistair > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hgetrain" <harry.eberhardt@> > wrote: > > > > - > > If I remember correctly, the layout was built by a German fellow > and > > resided in his home for several years. He later donated it to a > > German toy museum in Nuremberg. I visited the layout several times > in > > the late 1970's and early 1980's, and found it very impressive. It > > was built around American Flyer trains and included many modified > > Flyer and custom built models. I hope it still exists. > > > > The layout was featured in the S Gaugian magazine, but I can't > > remember the year. I think it was in the 1980's. I will try to > locate > > the issue. > > > > Harry Eberhard > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48230	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...

I know it is cow and to me, it is very noticeable. I mentioned this since you said for someone to move to Lancaster, which we love to visit and I just wanted this person to know all about Lancaster, the good and the bad. If this upsets you, as I know you are sensitive about things, I am sorry. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group... Actually it's mostly cow by products. The horse by products are on the road. We call them Road Apples. The smell is very rare. Depends on which way the wind blows. We never smell it in our house. Always inside running trains. They don't spread manure every day but what does this have to do with S gauge trains? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group... . Glenn, Sounds wonderful but it smells all the time in Lancaster of horse by products in the soil!!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48231	From: roy inman	Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy

Thanks Jed for passing that along :) Good news indeed!! With those mods, it makes it an even more attractive "must have." I did wonder why it did not have a wireless tether and why the tender was soooo far from the engine. Just an early conceptual model I guess. Roy Inman From: "J.E. Dalton" <jedmsie@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:51:37 -0700 (PDT) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy Hey gang, Have been emailing Lionel re: various features since seeing a converted K-Line Big Boy run at last Fri's club mtg.. In essence, they have confirmed the Flyonel B.B. uses the K-Line shells & running gear (modified for S Gauge), and will 1) sit closer to the track, 2) be closer coupled to the tender, & 3) use a wireless tether. This strikes me a very good news. It was nice to have such positive interaction with them. BTW, you probably know the Early Buy deadline has been extended to the end of March. Regard"S", JED John Dalton Golden Gate American Flyer Club P.S., Here's the text of their main response. "-----Original Message----- From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@... <mailto:TALKTOUS%40LIONEL.COM> > To: jedmsie@... <mailto:jedmsie%40nnnnn.xxx> Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 5:51 am Subject: Re: Purchasing Product Question Here is some additional info provided by our product development staff. Regarding the S Gauge Big Boy, we will be working to get the body to sit lower to the drive wheels and to decrease the tender loco gap. Also, this will most likely have a wireless tether rather than the tether shown in the catalog picture. Talk To Us" John Dalton --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48232	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...

Linda says it smells all the time we are in Lancaster, as are in Lancaster allot, too. And their is allot of train things in Lancaster, but to me, the idea State does not smell like manure all the time. Sorry if the email was taken toooo seriously. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group... I know it is cow and to me, it is very noticeable. I mentioned this since you said for someone to move to Lancaster, which we love to visit and I just wanted this person to know all about Lancaster, the good and the bad. If this upsets you, as I know you are sensitive about things, I am sorry. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group... Actually it's mostly cow by products. The horse by products are on the road. We call them Road Apples. The smell is very rare. Depends on which way the wind blows. We never smell it in our house. Always inside running trains. They don't spread manure every day but what does this have to do with S gauge trains? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group... . Glenn, Sounds wonderful but it smells all the time in Lancaster of horse by products in the soil!!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48233	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: painting tips?

I started painting a basket-case 356, starting with the tender. Being sheet metal I gave it a thin coat of automotive primer, then a color coat of Polly-S with my trusty old Badger 200 airbrush (in a box that says Badger is the brand for the 80's). The paint went on smooth but the finish is too dull. I should mention that this is my first experience with Polly-S, having always used solvent-based Floquil before. I have been practicing on old plastic cat litter buckets before spraying any paint on the model. Here again, the color goes on nicely but the result is always a matte finish. So I got some Polly-S clear gloss. I cannot ,for the life of me, get that to go on consistently or smoothly. I feel the gloss coat is needed as it will look better and provide a better decal surface, but above that I think it acrylic paint really needs some protective coating. Can you fine modelers recommend a method of getting a gloss coating over the Polly-S finish? Or maybe recommend a book or a website? One thing I know for sure is that Krylon clear over top does not work although it results in a really interesting crackle finish. Thanks for any and all advice. Tim Benner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48234	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?

Hi Tim, I have had good luck with Floquil Crystal Coat clear over a variety of finishes including Polly-S. I give the color coats plenty of time to dry and then apply 1 to 3 coats with my similar airbrush. To my eyes, clear over flat gives better-looking colors than straight gloss would do. I suspect that the rough surface of the flat paint reflects light in a variety of directions and form multiple, optical levels. Then, the clear coat on top provides gloss and makes the colors more vivid. The downside is that it is very hard to touch-up. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Benner Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:54 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] painting tips? I started painting a basket-case 356, starting with the tender. Being sheet metal I gave it a thin coat of automotive primer, then a color coat of Polly-S with my trusty old Badger 200 airbrush (in a box that says Badger is the brand for the 80's). The paint went on smooth but the finish is too dull. I should mention that this is my first experience with Polly-S, having always used solvent-based Floquil before. I have been practicing on old plastic cat litter buckets before spraying any paint on the model. Here again, the color goes on nicely but the result is always a matte finish. So I got some Polly-S clear gloss. I cannot ,for the life of me, get that to go on consistently or smoothly. I feel the gloss coat is needed as it will look better and provide a better decal surface, but above that I think it acrylic paint really needs some protective coating. Can you fine modelers recommend a method of getting a gloss coating over the Polly-S finish? Or maybe recommend a book or a website? One thing I know for sure is that Krylon clear over top does not work although it results in a really interesting crackle finish. Thanks for any and all advice. Tim Benner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48235	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?

You will never get a really glossy finish with any latex, water or alcohol based paint. They just don't deliver like enamels or lacquers. You have 2 options-strip the finish and repaint with enamel, or try putting a gloss coat over the Polly-S. The latex paint may crack-"spiderweb"- so I don't recommend this course of action-John Marganski --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48236	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?

Tim, Floquil's spray can of Crystal Cote will give you the shine or luster you want from the matte Floquil paint....just keep shaking the can as you spray a couple light coats...I would use the crystal cote before the decals and then again if you need it for the decals.. gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Benner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] painting tips? I started painting a basket-case 356, starting with the tender. Being sheet metal I gave it a thin coat of automotive primer, then a color coat of Polly-S with my trusty old Badger 200 airbrush (in a box that says Badger is the brand for the 80's). The paint went on smooth but the finish is too dull. I should mention that this is my first experience with Polly-S, having always used solvent-based Floquil before. I have been practicing on old plastic cat litter buckets before spraying any paint on the model. Here again, the color goes on nicely but the result is always a matte finish. So I got some Polly-S clear gloss. I cannot ,for the life of me, get that to go on consistently or smoothly. I feel the gloss coat is needed as it will look better and provide a better decal surface, but above that I think it acrylic paint really needs some protective coating. Can you fine modelers recommend a method of getting a gloss coating over the Polly-S finish? Or maybe recommend a book or a website? One thing I know for sure is that Krylon clear over top does not work although it results in a really interesting crackle finish. Thanks for any and all advice. Tim Benner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48237	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for the ideal State, place and S enthusiasts group...

Well, I live in South Florida by choice. There is no income tax in this State. In the 32 years I have lived here, I have only seen snow one time and freezing temperatures perhaps 6 times. We do get an occasional Tropical Cyclone, but we see them coming and can put up the blast shields. On the minus side, it is hard to find a house with a basement. The sun is very hot in the warmer half of the year, although, the high temperatures and humidity are no worse than I experienced in my 3 years just outside of Philadelphia. It just doesn't cool down much at night for 6 months of the year. I get around the lack-o-basement by having a shed. I can do that because I live in an area with no homeowners association and no pesky deed restrictions. If you consider Florida, consider that. A friend of mine lives in (rather nice and somewhat pricey) PGA National. He has an excellent HO railroad in his garage. The local Association forced him to remove his window AC unit, so, he cannot enjoy his trains for 6 months each year. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48238	From: Mac	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4012

We will be on vacation through April 14th. We will get back to you shortly thereafter. Thanks. John "Mac" McAlonan Fire on the Ridge Farm Cel: 859-391-0209 E-Mail: macflyer0513@... web: www.fireontheridge.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48239	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?

Tim, Go to your local grocery store and purchase a bottle of Future Floor Wax. It is acrylic and once dry gives you a very good durable finish on your finished work. It can be applied with your airbrush, just clean your brush good after use. I believe I am correct in telling you that ammonia is the best cleaner to dissolve the acrylic residue in your brush, use with adequate ventilation. If you have never used Future before it is a modeler's best friend. Another tip is to use it on clear plastic pieces it protects and fills in minute scratches and makes them look very clear. Good luck, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: tim.benner@...: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:54:21 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] painting tips? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48240	From: michael prell	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update

There's always room for jello and LogLoaders! :>) Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Mike, Thanks for the suggestion, but I just don't have the room for one. I have a ton accessories, saw mill, barrel loader, stock yard, piggy back unloader, milk car, Joe and Moe, mail pick up, plus the auto and log dump, Gabe, water towers. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48241	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?

Dear Larry: I only have a few minutes a day that I can read the S-Trains and S-Scale lists. So I read part of the lists. (Which sometimes causes me to ask questions that were recently answered.) I can not tell you if the AF Hudson has ever been discussed for accuracy. I can tell you that the NYC Hudson had 80 inch drivers. This is much larger than the American Flyer 57 inches. I heard that the Texas and Pacific had a passenger pacific (4-6-2) with 57 inch drivers. Memory tells me it looked much like the AF plastic C&NW pacific with the centered headlight. This locomotive's solitary claim to fame is having 57 inch drivers. No, the AF Hudson is not an accurate model of the NYC Hudson. Sorry. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of larry999970123 Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:17 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: 2f. Re: I have some AF to scale conversion drivers in 2 sizes Thorin, Do you have any idea How close is the Af hudson to the prototype? Has that ever been discussed on the lists? Thanks Larry Janeski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48242	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "J.E. Dalton" <jedmsie@...> wrote: > > Hey gang, > > Have been emailing Lionel re: various features since seeing a converted K-Line Big Boy run at last Fri's club mtg.. In essence, they have confirmed the Flyonel B.B. uses the K-Line shells & running gear (modified for S Gauge), and will > 1) sit closer to the track, > 2) be closer coupled to the tender, & > 3) use a wireless tether. > > This strikes me a very good news. It was nice to have such positive interaction with them. > > BTW, you probably know the Early Buy deadline has been extended to the end of March. > > Regard"S", > JED > > John Dalton > Golden Gate American Flyer Club John, That is great news. One of my few complaints with the K-Line locomotive is that the boiler sits a bit too high on the running gear- -it's fantastic that Lionel is investigating ways to make the model more accurate in this respect. I think the old Lionel would have just re-gauged the K-Line engine (warts and all) and called it a day. It's very encouraging that they're at least trying to address these shortcomings in the finished product. Hopefully, they'll be successful (although it might be difficult to balance this change with the requirement to run on Gilbert AF layouts with 40" dia curves). I can't wait until September! Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48243	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?

Thanks gentlemen. I picked up a bottle of Future and ammonia on my lunch hour and will hopefully be able to get a can or two of Crystal Cote at Hobbytown on the way home. So there will be plenty of shiny cat litter tubs in my garage tonight. The problem I had with the Polly-S gloss was that it turned out semi- matte, like it was all overspray or mini-orange peel. I thinned it 1 part thinner to 4 parts finish with the same result. The Future looks thinner so maybe it will go on smoother. I'll post some pics if this engine ever gets painted. Thanks again! Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48244	From: Tim Benner	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?

Gentlemen, Thanks to all for responding so fast! My lunch hour will be spent picking up a can of Crystal Cote and a bottle of Future floor wax on the way. Can I use the Future before decals as well as after? By tomorrow there should be a lot of very shiny Tuscan and Brunswick Green cat litter tubs in my garage! Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48245	From: Alan Evans	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: A Temporary Ideal S State

Don't forget the National S Gauge Association Convention in Lowell, Massachusetts August 5-10. Where else can you meet so many S gaugers, attend clinics, see some others' S layouts, go on tours and see a different part of the US of A? So take the leap -- learn about another part of the country and See S Gauge, S Hi Rail, S Scale and American Flyer for a few days!! - Alan Evans o In Springtime Central Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48246	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update

Sorry no more updates on my layout or emails from me on this list. I had enough. thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update There's always room for jello and LogLoaders! :>) Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Mike, Thanks for the suggestion, but I just don't have the room for one. I have a ton accessories, saw mill, barrel loader, stock yard, piggy back unloader, milk car, Joe and Moe, mail pick up, plus the auto and log dump, Gabe, water towers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48247	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?

So is the primary error the driver diameter? MK "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: Dear Larry: I only have a few minutes a day that I can read the S-Trains and S-Scale lists. So I read part of the lists. (Which sometimes causes me to ask questions that were recently answered.) I can not tell you if the AF Hudson has ever been discussed for accuracy. I can tell you that the NYC Hudson had 80 inch drivers. This is much larger than the American Flyer 57 inches. I heard that the Texas and Pacific had a passenger pacific (4-6-2) with 57 inch drivers. Memory tells me it looked much like the AF plastic C&NW pacific with the centered headlight. This locomotive's solitary claim to fame is having 57 inch drivers. No, the AF Hudson is not an accurate model of the NYC Hudson. Sorry. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of larry999970123 Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:17 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: 2f. Re: I have some AF to scale conversion drivers in 2 sizes Thorin, Do you have any idea How close is the Af hudson to the prototype? Has that ever been discussed on the lists? Thanks Larry Janeski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48248	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: painting tips?

Tim, Using the Future over decals should not be a problem. I don't remember doing that on any of my applications, so you might want to do a test run first. Again Good Luck, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: tim.benner@...: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:17:31 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: painting tips? Gentlemen,Thanks to all for responding so fast! My lunch hour will be spent picking up a can of Crystal Cote and a bottle of Future floor wax on the way.Can I use the Future before decals as well as after?By tomorrow there should be a lot of very shiny Tuscan and Brunswick Green cat litter tubs in my garage!Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48249	From: rj4010d	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Another Ideal Temporary State for "S" Gauge

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48251	From: klatoo_verracta	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: WHICH ERA YOU LIKE TO WORK?

I hope don't disturb with my question, but I would like if you can say me what era you prefer to work on your layouts. For example the '20, the '50, the actual days, ecc. Kindest regards: LEO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48252	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: > > Dear Larry: > I only have a few minutes a day that I can read the S-Trains and > S-Scale lists. So I read part of the lists. (Which sometimes causes me > to ask questions that were recently answered.) I can not tell you if > the AF Hudson has ever been discussed for accuracy. > > I can tell you that the NYC Hudson had 80 inch drivers. This is much > larger than the American Flyer 57 inches. I heard that the Texas and > Pacific had a passenger pacific (4-6-2) with 57 inch drivers. Memory > tells me it looked much like the AF plastic C&NW pacific with the > centered headlight. This locomotive's solitary claim to fame is having > 57 inch drivers. > > No, the AF Hudson is not an accurate model of the NYC Hudson. Sorry. > Thorin I've measured the drivers on AF steamers, and if I recall correctly, they are about 72" in diameter. Fifty-seven inch drivers are *very* small for a modern steam locomotive--most freight engines built after WWI had drivers of 63" or more. 57" drivers on a Hudson type would really look out of place. The AF Hudson is a very good model of the prototype, but the drivers are positioned a bit too far rearward relative to the boiler, which causes the trailing truck to be noticeably farther rearward than on the prototype. This was probably due to the fact that the Gilbert 6-wheel drive chassis was engineered to fit multiple boiler castings and had a set dimension from the axle centerlines to the smoke stack centerline. This dimension was a bit too long for a J3 Hudson. Compare prototype photos with a Flyer 4-6-4 and you'll see what I'm talking about. The drivers also look to be a little too far apart (axle spacing), but this may be more due to the fact that they are undersized in diameter than anything else. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48253	From: William Porter	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Uncoupling

Hi Folks, Has anyone every tried using a Flyer uncoupling accessory to activate Kaydee couplers? Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48254	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update

All is fine. Updates will continue. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update Sorry no more updates on my layout or emails from me on this list. I had enough. thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update There's always room for jello and LogLoaders! :>) Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Mike, Thanks for the suggestion, but I just don't have the room for one. I have a ton accessories, saw mill, barrel loader, stock yard, piggy back unloader, milk car, Joe and Moe, mail pick up, plus the auto and log dump, Gabe, water towers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48255	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Which Era You Like To Work?

Uh, oh, by your title line, you sound like you're from here in Appalachia! (-: I've had a deep love for steam locomotives since I was a youngster who got to ride the switchers around the small Zanesville yard once in a while. Dad hunted down steam on family vacations for a time too, and I fell in love with the East Broad Top. I'm lost in the fifties (and perhaps the early sixties on some short lines.) However, in both S and On30 I tend to slip back to the twenties and thirties from time to time. I like old automobiles and aircraft from these eras too, so my railroads tend to have a lot of old cars on them. Stumpy Stone...Brotherhood of Bashers...in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48256	From: Bill Drake	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: WHICH ERA YOU LIKE TO WORK?

I like to emphasize Gilbert American Flyer. Prototypes run from the 21088 Franklin 1860's to the 1950's. Add some more recent Flyonel that I happen to like, some German and Japanese 'S' gauge items, S Helper and American Models. It's all fun and enjoyable to me. I used to focus on the railroads that ran through Minneapolis/St.Paul, Minnesota where I grew up, but then I moved to California and Santa Fe, SP, UP got interesting, then I moved to Oregon, then to DC and now to Virginia. Add some childhood spent in Michigan and some in Kentucky. The Maine Two Footers book was an early inspiration and the Gilbert factory was in New Haven so add New England. Oh boy I can like nearly anything! Scenery from the midwest to the mountains and the ocean. Bill Drake having fun whereever and whatever - presently in Central Virginia --- klatoo_verracta <klatoo_verracta@...> wrote: > I hope don't disturb with my question, but I would > like if you can say > me what era you prefer to work on your layouts. > For example the '20, the '50, the actual days, ecc. > Kindest regards: > > LEO > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48257	From: Trains	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Uncoupling

Yessiree Bill, and it works great. Requires disassembly of AF uncoupler by removing the four corner rivets (be carefull not to break the phenolic plate), re bending the U shaped metal uncoupler plate carefully by widening top (open end - and bending in top 1/16" on each top edge - kind of a W shape with top edges straight up and down). Trial fit a Kadee HO magnet till it slip fits into space between both top plate edges and rests on the protruding lips on both sides of the magnetic Kadee uncoupler. You may have to do a little filing on metal edges...but it should just drop in. After reassembly secure Kadee magnetic uncoupler to AF uncouper plate with tiny drops of super glue on end of toothpick. check for operation and re-secure corners with new rivets/screws. You can also add a short piece of thin sheet metal (aprox. 1/2" x 3/8") to either end bent down at a slope to help avoid snagging of shanks and for esthetics. This will allow you to use AF style couplers as before and also Kadee style couplers. If uncoupler top is carefully adjusted to be no more or less than 1/32" above rail height, and centerd between rails you will be able to uncouple Kadee style couplers (if adjusted correctly) over uncoupling ramp and if balky, just activate the AF mechanism and the couplers will spring open. Cool hu? I have also added Kadee type couplers to existing AF cars with out a great deal of trouble, by prying open metal holding knuckle in place, triming a Kadee type box and droping it in and gingerly re-crimping the metal coupler holder. Use a "Loeb" style, now NASG, coupler height gauge to adjust for correct coupler height and trip pin clearance. Peter Loeb | | U = \_/ W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48258	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: WHICH ERA YOU LIKE TO WORK?

----- Original Message ----- From: klatoo_verracta [LEO] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com I hope [I] don't disturb with my question, but I would like if you can [tell] me what era you prefer to work on your layouts. For example the '20, the '50, the actual [present] days, etc. Kindest regards: LEO > > > > > > > > > Leo, mi amigo. I personally prefer the modern era, the present day if it were possible, but that is difficult, if not impossible in S. We're lucky we have American Models' SD60s and a few intermodal items. Your e-mail address suggests you may be in Argentina. Your English is not perfect, but we can figure it out. Tell us about model railroading and S gauge / S Scale in south America. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan, Estados Unidos

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48259	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?

Hi to All, According to my S-Gauge rule, the large Gilbert AF driver wheels are about 75 scale inches in diameter, depending slightly upon whether you are measuring Pul-Mor or the earlier wheels which are slightly different. That is measured not including the flanges which I think is the correct way. Now the 0-8-0 and 0-6-0 switchers have wheels of about 56 scale inches in diameter - which are about correct to the prototype. But I don't think the large drivers are too far off from many of the later passenger engines which had 72-80 inch drivers. I have compared the AF Hudson to NYC Hudson pictures and can not distinquish if they were modeled after the J-1 or J-3 versions. But they seem pretty close to one of them, to me. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: > > Dear Larry: > I only have a few minutes a day that I can read the S-Trains and > S-Scale lists. So I read part of the lists. (Which sometimes causes me > to ask questions that were recently answered.) I can not tell you if > the AF Hudson has ever been discussed for accuracy. > > I can tell you that the NYC Hudson had 80 inch drivers. This is much > larger than the American Flyer 57 inches. I heard that the Texas and > Pacific had a passenger pacific (4-6-2) with 57 inch drivers. Memory > tells me it looked much like the AF plastic C&NW pacific with the > centered headlight. This locomotive's solitary claim to fame is having > 57 inch drivers. > > No, the AF Hudson is not an accurate model of the NYC Hudson. Sorry. > Thorin > > -----Original Message----- > From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of larry999970123 > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:17 PM > To: Marty.Thorin > Subject: 2f. Re: I have some AF to scale conversion drivers in 2 sizes > > Thorin, > > Do you have any idea How close is the Af hudson to the prototype? > > Has that ever been discussed on the lists? > > Thanks > > Larry Janeski >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48260	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update

I, for one, am glad. I enjoy tem! Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> All is fine. Updates will continue. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update Sorry no more updates on my layout or emails from me on this list. I had enough. thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update There's always room for jello and LogLoaders! :>) Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Mike, Thanks for the suggestion, but I just don't have the room for one. I have a ton accessories, saw mill, barrel loader, stock yard, piggy back unloader, milk car, Joe and Moe, mail pick up, plus the auto and log dump, Gabe, water towers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48261	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Franklin Smoke

Hi All - Just shut down the lay-out for the evening, but noticed (again) the feeble smoke output of my Franklin loco compared to my other vintage engines. I would, at best, call her an "unenthusiastic" smoker. Always has been since the day I got her. She does smoke and the piston is puffing, but it's just a pretty feeble little puff. I know the smoke unit on the Franklin is a bit smaller and less robust than the earlier steamers, so I don't know if I should expect more or not. I've rebuilt other smoke units, but don't want to tear into it unless I have to. How about the rest of you Franklin runners? Does your Franklin put out the same volume of smoke as your other engines? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48262	From: klatoo_verracta	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Which Era You Like To Work?

Thanks a lot Stumpy for your reply. <... you sound like you're from here in Appalachia!> No, I'm a bit far away Appalachia. I'm from Buenos Aires, Argentina. <I've had a deep love for steam locomotives> Yes, I'm agreed with you. I love too the steam locomotives'age. I guess we're similar age: I'm 48. But I'm lost between the 60's to mid 70's. Anyway 20's and 30's are so interesting times for work. Thanks you again and kindest regards from the Pampas (lol): LEO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48263	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke

I experience a limited smoke production with my Franklin also and will be interested in creative ways to increase the output. Dave -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:14 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Franklin Smoke Hi All - Just shut down the lay-out for the evening, but noticed (again) the feeble smoke output of my Franklin loco compared to my other vintage engines. I would, at best, call her an "unenthusiastic" smoker. Always has been since the day I got her. She does smoke and the piston is puffing, but it's just a pretty feeble little puff. I know the smoke unit on the Franklin is a bit smaller and less robust than the earlier steamers, so I don't know if I should expect more or not. I've rebuilt other smoke units, but don't want to tear into it unless I have to. How about the rest of you Franklin runners? Does your Franklin put out the same volume of smoke as your other engines? Jim E. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48264	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke

Steve Blancard, of the Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers, stuffed a smoke-in-tender unit into one of his custom Frankie's tender - here is the link http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/splitdorf/Mercer/ While you're there - check out his other custom Frankie - relly neat! http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/splitdorf/Custom+Franklin/ Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Highfield" <davidh@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Franklin Smoke >I experience a limited smoke production with my Franklin also and will be > interested in creative ways to increase the output. > Dave >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48265	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke

> "How about the rest of you Franklin runners? Does your Franklin put > out > the same volume of smoke as your other engines?" Mine sure doesn't. Isn't the smoke unit a AF HO smoke unit? Or so I've been told.... or read here. Rick. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48266	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke

Looked at the photos before. Even after seeing the photos, it's hard to miagine a SIT unit and electronic reverse unit in a Franklin tender - even one with a "popped top." My Franklin is in pretty good shape other than weak smoke, so I'm not going to do anything too drastic to it. May take an "inspection" tour of it today to look at the wick and heating element. Jim -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunseyjr@...> > Steve Blancard, of the Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers, stuffed a smoke-in-tender > unit into one of his custom Frankie's tender - here is the link > > http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/splitdorf/Mercer/ > > While you're there - check out his other custom Frankie - relly neat! > > http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/splitdorf/Custom+Franklin/ > > Keep in touch! > > Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... > S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator > River Logging fan > Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan > Virginian Rwy fan > Bonsai grasshopper > Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Highfield" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:14 AM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Franklin Smoke > > > >I experience a limited smoke production with my Franklin also and will be > > interested in creative ways to increase the output. > > Dave > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48267	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update

Thanks Jim. All is well. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update I, for one, am glad. I enjoy tem! Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> All is fine. Updates will continue. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update Sorry no more updates on my layout or emails from me on this list. I had enough. thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update There's always room for jello and LogLoaders! :>) Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Mike, Thanks for the suggestion, but I just don't have the room for one. I have a ton accessories, saw mill, barrel loader, stock yard, piggy back unloader, milk car, Joe and Moe, mail pick up, plus the auto and log dump, Gabe, water towers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48268	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Uncoupling

Thanks Peter that is something that had not occurred to me and it will come in handy. I was inquiring about the electric uncouplers. Kaydee makes them. I wondered of the Gilbert ones would also work on the Kaydee couplers. It seemed to me that an electromagnet is an electromagnet, but, I have no practical experience with this item. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Trains Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 4:13 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Uncoupling Yessiree Bill, and it works great. Requires disassembly of AF uncoupler by removing the four corner rivets (be carefull not to break the phenolic plate), re bending the U shaped metal uncoupler plate carefully by widening top (open end - and bending in top 1/16" on each top edge - kind of a W shape with top edges straight up and down). Trial fit a Kadee HO magnet till it slip fits into space between both top plate edges and rests on the protruding lips on both sides of the magnetic Kadee uncoupler. You may have to do a little filing on metal edges...but it should just drop in. After reassembly secure Kadee magnetic uncoupler to AF uncouper plate with tiny drops of super glue on end of toothpick. check for operation and re-secure corners with new rivets/screws. You can also add a short piece of thin sheet metal (aprox. 1/2" x 3/8") to either end bent down at a slope to help avoid snagging of shanks and for esthetics. This will allow you to use AF style couplers as before and also Kadee style couplers. If uncoupler top is carefully adjusted to be no more or less than 1/32" above rail height, and centerd between rails you will be able to uncouple Kadee style couplers (if adjusted correctly) over uncoupling ramp and if balky, just activate the AF mechanism and the couplers will spring open. Cool hu? I have also added Kadee type couplers to existing AF cars with out a great deal of trouble, by prying open metal holding knuckle in place, triming a Kadee type box and droping it in and gingerly re-crimping the metal coupler holder. Use a "Loeb" style, now NASG, coupler height gauge to adjust for correct coupler height and trip pin clearance. Peter Loeb | | U = \_/ W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48269	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: WHICH ERA YOU LIKE TO WORK?

I choose the late '50's for most scenic items. I like the automobiles from that era and I can sneak in steam, diesel or electric power with only a small stretch of the imagination. The 1950's were about as far in time from the art deco-streamline trains as we are right now from "Murder She Wrote" and "Magnum, P.I." Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of klatoo_verracta Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] WHICH ERA YOU LIKE TO WORK? I hope don't disturb with my question, but I would like if you can say me what era you prefer to work on your layouts. For example the '20, the '50, the actual days, ecc. Kindest regards: LEO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48270	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: FW: Time Warner loses its monopoly on rights to Superman! A Federal

Since "the man of steel" appeared on the cover of AF's '48 catalog, it's relevant to this list that I cite the article in today's NY Times about a long overdue (in this case, posthumously) win for 'the little guy'. See http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/business/media/29comics.html?_r=1&ref= business&oref=slogin or page C3 of the Business day section. Superman is heard Monday through Friday on Mutual and is sponsored by that super delicious cereal, Kellogg's Pep! This is W-O-R, New York. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48271	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke

Hi Jim, I just rebult my Franklin some time back, and it works great. To rebuld it is some work but is pay out in the long run. Scott C. D. --- Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> wrote: > Hi All - > > Just shut down the lay-out for the evening, but > noticed (again) the > feeble smoke output of my Franklin loco compared to > my other vintage > engines. I would, at best, call her an > "unenthusiastic" smoker. > Always has been since the day I got her. She does > smoke and the piston > is puffing, but it's just a pretty feeble little > puff. > > I know the smoke unit on the Franklin is a bit > smaller and less robust > than the earlier steamers, so I don't know if I > should expect more or > not. I've rebuilt other smoke units, but don't want > to tear into it > unless I have to. > > How about the rest of you Franklin runners? Does > your Franklin put out > the same volume of smoke as your other engines? > > Jim E. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48272	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke

That looks nice, but how's the tub to run up to the old area to go out? There is alot in the way.... Scott C. D. --- "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunseyjr@...> wrote: > Steve Blancard, of the Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers, > stuffed a smoke-in-tender > unit into one of his custom Frankie's tender - here > is the link > > http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/splitdorf/Mercer/ > > While you're there - check out his other custom > Frankie - relly neat! > > http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/splitdorf/Custom+Franklin/ > > Keep in touch! > > Don Munsey, Jr > dmunseyjr@... > S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train > operator > River Logging fan > Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan > Virginian Rwy fan > Bonsai grasshopper > Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Highfield" <davidh@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:14 AM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Franklin Smoke > > > >I experience a limited smoke production with my > Franklin also and will be > > interested in creative ways to increase the > output. > > Dave > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48273	From: jfophd	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Ace Weel Sets

Does any know where I can get Ace High Rail wheel sets?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48274	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: What era do you work?

Um, as short as possible! :) I try to keep to the late 50's, so I can run lots of steam, and the Alcos and early GM too, with "some" justification. Lots of folks kept driving older cars back then too, so I can use early automobiles, and yet have a Tucker dealership (all in the plans for my future layout)! Barb has one great idea, though, she plans her layout around a specific day & year (I don't remember the date) which allows her to have green in the valleys, fall colors in the hills, and snow in the mountains. Pretty clever, IMHO! Off to work (I know, it's Saturday, but once again I'm doning 2 jobs due to personell losses)--AUGH! No time for trains, cars, or (and this is first on Linda's list) the house! Oh well, at least I get to read the S list daily! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48275	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke

Hadn't heard the HO tie-in before, but the unit is definitely smaller. I have no experience with the AF HO line, so I have nothing to compare it to. Thanks for the info. Jim -------------- Original message -------------- From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> > "How about the rest of you Franklin runners? Does your Franklin put > out > the same volume of smoke as your other engines?" Mine sure doesn't. Isn't the smoke unit a AF HO smoke unit? Or so I've been told.... or read here. Rick. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48276	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: what about the 3/16s O Hudsons' scale accuracy

I just grabbed a blind driver from one of my parts draws. Its diameter is nominally 1.25". Please check my math: if 3/16" = 12", then 1/16" = 4", then 1.25" = 20/16, then 20 x 4" = 80 scale inches. This applies to ALL of the Gilbert AF 3/16s O engines (worm and spur) except for the 574 N.P. 0-8-0 yard goat. I haven't yet found a link that's a comprehensive reference for 'all' North American' steamer specs, but http://files.asme.org/ASMEORG/Communities/History/Landmarks/5497.pdf <http://files.asme.org/ASMEORG/Communities/History/Landmarks/5497.pdf> indicates 73" for 4-6-2s and 63" for 2-8-2s (both USRA). http://www.geocities.com/budb3/parts/locmp.html <http://www.geocities.com/budb3/parts/locmp.html> indicates 80" for the PRR #7002 E-3 Atlantic and the PRR 6-4-4-6 @ 84" . Deciding the diameter of the 574's wheels entails philosphy AND math, because the blind drivers have meaningfully smaller diameters than do their flanged counterparts. This was done to provide clearance amongst the drivers, which means that the chassis is too short. The running diameter of the flanged wheel is nominally 7/8" which = 14/16" which = 56" According to http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/article.php?article=2586 <http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/article.php?article=2586> typical steam yard goats have 51: drivers, but 56 is cited for the B6, which was 0-6-0, not 0-8-0. The blind drivers are nominally .75" which = 12/16 which = 48". B-U-T, (here's the philosophical aspect), the average of 48 & 56 is 52. Ergo, the diameters of the drivers of 574 are close to accurate, and those of the three Hudsons (5640, 531 & 570) and the Atantic (565 ) have very accurately sized driver diameters. By contrast, in its too short lived semi-scale O product line of 1938 - 1940, Gilbert did not cut corners in the context of wheel types and used three different diameter wheels for its Atlantic, Pacific, and what I surmise was supposed to be a B6. I'm not including the O Hudson in this statement because that had been designed by the Coleman company about two years prior to Gilbert's acquisiton of the company. Coleman used the same large drivers for the Hudson, Hiawatha, and UP diesel - electric. The last of course, was grossly incorrect to scale: about 200% of the appropriate size. Best, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48277	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: You Tube and S Gauge Electric Trains

Wow - check out www.youtube.com and you can see countless videos of fellow S Gauger's layouts, choose from Gilbert AF, S Helper, American Modeels, or just a particular railroad by S Gauge and have hours of entertainment. With my "Gators" out of the NCAA basketball tourney this year it has proved to be a great way to spend some time. Check it out. Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48278	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/30/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48279	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: You Tube and S Gauge Electric Trains

Hi Jerry, You should also check out the videos of actual train footage and some of the idiots that try to outrun the trains. BTW - my Gators are in the NIT and in a strange twist of fate may face Ohio State in the NIT Final after defeating them for the NCAA basketball title last year. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > > Wow - check out www.youtube.com and you can see countless videos of > fellow S Gauger's layouts, choose from Gilbert AF, S Helper, American > Modeels, or just a particular railroad by S Gauge and have hours > of entertainment. With my "Gators" out of the NCAA basketball tourney > this year it has proved to be a great way to spend some time. > Check it out. > > Jerry Matsick > Jax S Ville >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48280	From: G C	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: what about the 3/16s O Hudsons' scale accuracy

Art, I hate to be a "Know It All", but if you just multiply 1.25" by 64, you get 80" as well. Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48281	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: What era do you work?

> I only use '59 and older vehicles on my small layouts. I'm more of a steam nut and I only have ONE Alco. One day, when room...... I'd like to have several different eras on one big layout. Maybe even the '60s. :^) Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48282	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: The Big L ..about to emerge out of Chapter 11.........

Judge Burton R. Lifland of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York on Thursday confirmed Lionel's plan, which calls for private-equity firm Guggenheim Corporate Funding and the estate of the late Martin Davis, former chairman of Paramount Communications Inc., to pump $59 million of new cash into the reorganized company, Lionel Chief Executive Gerald Calabrese said. "We're very happy; this has been a long hard pull," said Calabrese. "We expect to be out of bankruptcy by next week." New York-based Guggenheim will contribute $37.1 million to the new Lionel, and the Davis estate - which is controlled by Davis' widow - will contribute $21.9 million. Calabrese, a former Marvel Comics Group president, was named Lionel CEO in September 2004, just months before a jury awarded rival MTH Electric Trains $38.6 million in a trade-secrets dispute with Lionel, which forced the 107-year-old company into bankruptcy. An appeals court later overturned the verdict and ordered a new trial. Lionel and MTH settled their long-running fight late last year. Although terms of the settlement were to remain confidential under a court order, recent filings revealed Lionel agreed to pay MTH $12 million in cash to settle the lawsuit and a separate spat involving patented smoke-puffing technology. Calabrese and MTH lawyer Alec Ostrow declined to comment on the settlement. Lionel's Chapter 11 plan calls for the company to pay all its creditors in full with interest. Lionel will also obtain up to $40 million in loans to fund its exit from Chapter 11, pay off its creditors and fund its working capital needs in the future. Guggenheim, which will now own 48.6 percent of the new Lionel, and the Davis estate, which will have 28.6 percent stake, are also loaning Lionel an additional $10 million in second-lien debt. Calabrese will roll forward some $6 million he's owed by Lionel into deferred compensation and a 7.8 percent stake in the reorganized company. An additional 15 percent in the new Lionel will be doled out to company management, including Calabrese, under an option plan. Rock star Neil Young, a former minority owner, is not - at present - part of the new ownership group. The Davis estate owned 75 percent of the old Lionel and Young owned 20 percent. Those stakes have been wiped out under Lionel's reorganization plan. Calabrese said he intends to meet with Young Friday in Northern California to define Young's ongoing role in the company. "This is Neil's passion," Calabrese said. "We certainly want him involved, but, I want to be clear, it's up to him."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48283	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: what about the 3/16s O Hudsons' scale accuracy

----- Original Message ----- From: Art Shifrin . . . . . diameter is nominally 1.25". Please check my math: if 3/16" = 12", then 1/16" = 4", then 1.25" = 20/16, then 20 x 4" = 80 scale inches.. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I give you a C for Complexity. Another way of doing it is to multiply 1.25 by 64 (64 is our linear scale factor) and get 80. tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48284	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: You Tube and S Gauge Electric Trains

Jerry, is your layout shown on You Tube? I would love to see it. My experience is that you can waste a lot of time trying to locate S scale videos on You Tube. I have not been able to find any consistent indexing. Its not nearly as easy as finding S gauge items on Ebay, for example. One exception to this is that once you locate one of the videos done at the Baltimore NASG convention last summer, it is easy to find the other ones made at the convention. Do you have weblinks you can share of some of the better You Tube S gauge videos you have seen? - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/29/2008 3:21:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jpmatsick@... writes: Wow - check out www.youtube.Wow - check out www.youtube.<WBR>co fellow S Gauger's layouts, choose from Gilbert AF, S Helper, American Modeels, or just a particular railroad by S Gauge and have hours of entertainment. With my "Gators" out of the NCAA basketball tourney this year it has proved to be a great way to spend some time. Check it out. Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48285	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Flyer336 and youtube videos

I have got to give "Flyer336" credit, he has a number of videos of his "TRAINS", S Helper, American Models, Gilbert AF, and Lionel S Gauge,and what is great they are operating on his dining room table, with his wife in the background cooking in the kitchen, oh to have a wife like that, Choo Choo, whistles, bells and horns and his wife in the kitchen, what a way to operate your S Gauge Trains. Yall check these videos out on youtube.com Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48286	From: Andrew	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: You Tube and S Gauge Electric Trains

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > > Wow - check out www.youtube.com and you can see countless videos of > fellow S Gauger's layouts, choose from Gilbert AF, S Helper, American > Modeels, or just a particular railroad by S Gauge and have hours > of entertainment. With my "Gators" out of the NCAA basketball tourney > this year it has proved to be a great way to spend some time. > Check it out. > > Jerry Matsick > Jax S Ville > Hi Jerry I have videos of my trains as well, I was so happy when I got them running that I had to show everyone. http://www.youtube.com/user/calvinthedestroyer www.greattrainnetwork.com Andy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48287	From: Gregg	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: "L" AF Mikado

Has anyone else had problems fitting the 9v battery in the tender of their Mikado? There isn't alot of room and I can't figure out what is interfering with the battery. Thanks Gregg Mummert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48288	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: You Tube Videos

The easiest way to locate AF videos on YouTube is to simply type American Flyer in any search window. That will give you a list of videos to chose from. When you chose a video to view, a window will appear near the video screen with other links to similar videos. These will lead to a ton of model railroad videos. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48289	From: roninscho9	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER HUDSON

The A.F. Hudson is a model of a New York Central J - 3 passenger engine from 1937 ,the real one had 79" drivers . Outside of the usual tinplate allowance's this engine is not to far from scale.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48290	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy

Did they solve the problem of the Tender ?..... The fellow that was altering them from o to s... Found that the tender was TOP HEAVY on the s version.... so it would tip over on the curves.... anybody know more on this.... Bob -------------- Original message from "J.E. Dalton" <jedmsie@...>: -------------- Hey gang, Have been emailing Lionel re: various features since seeing a converted K-Line Big Boy run at last Fri's club mtg.. In essence, they have confirmed the Flyonel B.B. uses the K-Line shells & running gear (modified for S Gauge), and will 1) sit closer to the track, 2) be closer coupled to the tender, & 3) use a wireless tether. This strikes me a very good news. It was nice to have such positive interaction with them. BTW, you probably know the Early Buy deadline has been extended to the end of March. Regard"S", JED John Dalton Golden Gate American Flyer Club P.S., Here's the text of their main response. "-----Original Message----- From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@...> To: jedmsie@... Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 5:51 am Subject: Re: Purchasing Product Question Here is some additional info provided by our product development staff. Regarding the S Gauge Big Boy, we will be working to get the body to sit lower to the drive wheels and to decrease the tender loco gap. Also, this will most likely have a wireless tether rather than the tether shown in the catalog picture. Talk To Us" John Dalton --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48291	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: You Tube and S Gauge Electric Trains

Looking for S Gauge on Youtube, try "American Flyer trains" "S Helper has some" I found a number of them. No I am working on getting my S layout on Youtube as we speak, will make an announcement when I do. Jerry Matsick tennsgauge@... wrote: Jerry, is your layout shown on You Tube? I would love to see it. My experience is that you can waste a lot of time trying to locate S scale videos on You Tube. I have not been able to find any consistent indexing. Its not nearly as easy as finding S gauge items on Ebay, for example. One exception to this is that once you locate one of the videos done at the Baltimore NASG convention last summer, it is easy to find the other ones made at the convention. Do you have weblinks you can share of some of the better You Tube S gauge videos you have seen? - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/29/2008 3:21:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jpmatsick@... writes: Wow - check out www.youtube.Wow - check out www.youtube.<WBR>co fellow S Gauger's layouts, choose from Gilbert AF, S Helper, American Modeels, or just a particular railroad by S Gauge and have hours of entertainment. With my "Gators" out of the NCAA basketball tourney this year it has proved to be a great way to spend some time. Check it out. Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48292	From: Firewood	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: what about the 3/16s O Hudsons' scale accuracy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art Shifrin" <Goldens3@...> wrote: > > I just grabbed a blind driver from one of my parts draws. Its diameter > is nominally 1.25". I got REALLY lazy and used my model railroad scale rule, General part #1251. You're right! Quite the high-stepping passenger driving wheel. Must be the white "sidewall", but the illusion I get is of a smaller diameter wheel when actually peering through my bi-focals....... Regards Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48293	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: "L" AF Mikado

Gregg, It is probably the volume control wiring causing the problem. The wires are easy to break off when replacing the battery. Here is a link showing how it is wired. http://www.tuveson.com/MikeVolumeControl/af_mike_volume_wiring_.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gregg Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:14 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] "L" AF Mikado Has anyone else had problems fitting the 9v battery in the tender of their Mikado? There isn't alot of room and I can't figure out what is interfering with the battery. Thanks Gregg Mummert ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48294	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Pine Canyon News Advert

Does anyone out there have or know of someone who has an extra "A" rear end A unit of the Flyer SP Alco diesel? I want to convert this to a front end A unit with a new dual cam motor... The SP A - front engine units are not very reliable as I found with my own SF A unit which I had converted to a new dual cam motor system which is excellent. If anyone has an SP shell in good shape that would be OK too. Russ in Oregon PS: The YouTube trains are fun to watch... It's nice to see what other operator's layout look like. Thanks for the heads up... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48295	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Looking for SP A Units

Sorry my first message had the wrong subject title: Does anyone out there have or know of someone who has an extra "A" rear end A unit of the Flyer SP Alco diesel? I want to convert this to a front end A unit with a new dual cam motor... The SP A - front engine units are not very reliable as I found with my own SF A unit which I had converted to a new dual cam motor system which is excellent. If anyone has an SP shell in good shape that would be OK too. Russ in Oregon PS: The YouTube trains are fun to watch... It's nice to see what other operator's layout look like. Thanks for the heads up... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48296	From: roninscho9	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ace Weel Sets & Hi rail stuff

I am looking for ACE / Downs stuff too .From what I have found out They have ceased production & it is unknown as what will become of this line ? I used to buy a lot of ACE from the Steam Depot in Pa. & can't locate them anymore .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48297	From: klatoo_verracta	Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: What era do you work?

Thanks to all you Bill, David and Rick for your interesting replies. I've taken note of your preferences. I've forgotten to explain why I'm asking this with modellers. I'm projecting to hand-made resin kits of figures and accessories in many scales and different eras. Working from Argentina as miniatures sculptor for wargame's manufacturers I've decided to work, in my free time, for this project. With my "official" job, I've sculpted a lot of 1/64 scale figures (25/28mm height between feet and top of head), and now I'm working to get people in 1/64 for S scale, between others. I'm appreciating too much all information you're giving to me so generously. Thanks again and kindest regards: Leo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48298	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Driver size

You're right! Quite the high-stepping passenger driving wheel. Must be the white "sidewall", but the illusion I get is of a smaller diameter wheel when actually peering through my bi-focals....... Hi All, Jerry P has recently repainted a 312 K5 for me and I have a picture of it and a real K5 side by side on the wall at the day job. Naturally, I have lots of time to compare the two. My observations regarding the illusion of the drivers being too small is rather that they are too far apart. In fact the whole engine is elongated; the pilot truck is way too long and a bunch of other things I can't remember. I guess all of this is because of the standardized chassis Gilbert used were designed to accommodate the mechanics of the drive chain and probably negotiating Flyer curves. I agree the white walls also add to the illusion. I thought I'd get some AM drivers for the K5 because they look bigger and was surprised to find them the same size. And that's were the project remains. looking like the drivers should be larger. On the YouTube front, Allen Evans has posted a couple of videos of S scale trains running through Tom's Turnouts. Thank you Allen! Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48299	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Franklin Smoke

Yes, I have a redecorated Franklin that one of my friends, Mr. Nick Colleran, rebuilt, mechanically for me, and I must say, he performed a miracle on the smoke unit, as it puts out as if she were burning real wood. I did the artistic work, making it a Southern engine from the period of the War of Northern Agression. It is affectionately named The Calhoun. A photo will be appearing in a few days, in the gallery, if I can figure how to upload one to it. Carlton **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48300	From: John	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: YouTube Videos and model railroading

I have found an easy way to copy YouTube Videos to my computer 1) find the video you want to save 2) Under the heading About This Video you will find a link (more) 3) Click on the (more) link 4) There you will find the URL or link to that video 5) Highlight the URL by placing your mouse cursor in the link and left click it 6) Right click the mouse and select COPY from the list 7) Goto this site - http://www.techcrunch.com/get-youtube-movie/ 8) Place your mouse curser in the Enter YouTube URL box and left click your mouse 9) Now click the right mouse button and select PASTE from the list 10) The words DOWNLOAD LINK will turn blue to indicate the link was found 11) Right click on the DOWNLOAD LINK words and select SAVE TARGET AS 12) This will bring up a location on your computer to save the video to. I would recommend creating a folder to save your videos on your hard drive so you can find them. 13) Change the file name to reflect what the video is about then click SAVE. This will save the video to your computer 14) The videos are saved in a FLV format. To view these videos you need a VFL viewer Just below the DOWNLOAD LINK works there are a couple of sentences including the letters VLC. This is a link to a free program that will enable you to play the down loaded videos. The program is called VideoLAN - VLC media player. I have used it for months and have had no problems with it. 15) Download and install the VLC program and enjoy the YouTube videos as often as you like. 16) To download more videos, repeat the above processes. I have found many useful videos on everything from layout design to creating standing grass with an electrostatics. Enjoy John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48301	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke

This may be a helpful hint to some owners of Franklins and Washingtons that don't smoke very well. Buy some cigar lighter fluid at your drug store. Using your AF smoke fluid funnel, fill the unit all the way to the top of the smoke tube. Let it soak for about 3-4 days. The fluid should evaporate by this time. Then add new smoke fluid, but not a lot. This has helped me with this unit and other smoke units that have not been used over a long period of time. It seems to dissolve the gummed up old smoke fluid in the angle hair. Hope this works for some. Harwood ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Note from moderator. Do this at your own risk! Let fluid evaportate out of smoke unit in a well venelated area with no open flames present(Water Heater Etc.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48302	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant commercialism SHS "This Week Now"

This week at SHS... Robin completed the Spring SHS Update on Thursday. I have converted to .pdf file and Bill Clark has posted to our website. You can view and download the SHS Update as well as the current order form that lists all of our current and future announce products. http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/updates.html The double sheathed boxcars are now two weeks away from port. The roadnames on the container are AT&SF (2#s), CB&Q (2#s), NKP (4#s) and NWP (3#s). The NWP were pre-sold by the BASS club and they sold out of car #1 (numbers #2, 3 & 4 will be available). The NKP cars were pre-sold by the Hoosier S Gaugers (they have stopped taking orders). All the new double sheathed boxcars can be viewed or ordered at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/DoubleSheath/BoxcarsUSRADoubleSheathed_in_stock.html S Scale America Gunderson cars - The coupler height for the KD version has been corrected. We have been converting the AF comp. version to have a talgo mounted coupler (instead as the as delivered body mounted coupler). One other issue with the AF comp. Version is when a 48' container is in the well (lower position). You will need a very wide radius. Flanges not to touch the container. One remedy would be to notch the lower container or use the unlettered red 40' container we still have in stock. Remember, you have to specify which wheels/couplers are desired on your model. If you want AF comp. Wheels with KD couplers, order the AF version and note in the comments portion of the order page you want KDs installed. We can take care of that here. http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_Gunderson_in_stock.html Now Sold out - #01625 Domino Sugar 3 bay covered hopper Southern F3 A&B sets - We are now out of all F3 A units Temporarily sold out All 70 ton trucks (#00001, 2, 3 & 4) more this summer #00048 trucks (more will be shipped with reefers in 6 weeks) Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48303	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: What era do you work?

In my case it is what month do you work. My layout is set in April 1964. Why such a specific date? Two very important events occured during April 1964. The Ford Mustang was offically offered for sale to the public on April 17, 1964 and my Mustang convertible's build date was April 28, 1964. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48304	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Driver size

You present some interesting thoughts about the AF K-5 model. Actually the way I see it, the length is quite accurate. I am using the drawings at www.northeast.railfan.net to compare. As near as I can tell from the drawings, the engine, from the tip of the pilot to the back edge of the cab, is about 53.5 feet on the real 5698, and on my AF #316. But there are a couple slight differences. The distance between the centers of the pilot wheels on the real 5698 is 7 feet, on my 316 it is 9 scale feet. The distance between driver's centers is 6'11" on 5698, it is about 7'6" on my 316. The distance from the center of the last driver to the center of the trailing wheels is 10'6" on 5698, and maybe about 9'9" scale on 316. So no it is not 100% accurate, but pretty darn good in my opinion. Al Baker Portland, OR PRR nut! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...> wrote: > > You're right! Quite the high-stepping passenger driving wheel. > Must be the white "sidewall", but the illusion I get is of a smaller > diameter wheel when actually peering through my bi-focals....... > > > > Hi All, > > Jerry P has recently repainted a 312 K5 for me and I have a picture of it > and a real K5 side by side on the wall at the day job. Naturally, I have > lots of time to compare the two. My observations regarding the illusion of > the drivers being too small is rather that they are too far apart. In fact > the whole engine is elongated; the pilot truck is way too long and a bunch > of other things I can't remember. I guess all of this is because of the > standardized chassis Gilbert used were designed to accommodate the mechanics > of the drive chain and probably negotiating Flyer curves. I agree the white > walls also add to the illusion. I thought I'd get some AM drivers for the > K5 because they look bigger and was surprised to find them the same size. > And that's were the project remains. looking like the drivers should be > larger. > > On the YouTube front, Allen Evans has posted a couple of videos of S scale > trains running through Tom's Turnouts. Thank you Allen! > > Tom Stoltz > > Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork > Maine S Gaugers > NASG > > <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48305	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: L-AF Mikdao [S-Trains] Digest Number 4016

Hi Gregg, Installing the battery is tight but doable. It should be emphasized that if one is operating the new L-AF Mikes and Pacifics under TMCC with high constant track voltage (the better way of operation), there is absolutely no need for the RS battery unless the track work is sub par. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/30/2008 8:06:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Has anyone else had problems fitting the 9v battery in the tender of their Mikado? There isn't alot of room and I can't figure out what is interfering with the battery. Thanks Gregg Mummert **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48306	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy

In a message dated 3/29/2008 9:35:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: Found that the tender was TOP HEAVY on the s version.... so it would tip over on the curves ONLY if you run it. Jim Lyle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48307	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Franklin Smoke

Hi all, this is well and good for some. Not all smoke units have good hair in the NiCr wire coil. Some of the trains were run dry for a long time, and that burnt the hairs in the coil. The oil will not havw the same amount of draw as a new one. Scott C. D. --- HOwingsiii@... wrote: > This may be a helpful hint to some owners of > Franklins and Washingtons that > don't smoke very well. Buy some cigar lighter fluid > at your drug store. Using > your AF smoke fluid funnel, fill the unit all the > way to the top of the > smoke tube. Let it soak for about 3-4 days. The > fluid should evaporate by this > time. Then add new smoke fluid, but not a lot. This > has helped me with this > unit and other smoke units that have not been used > over a long period of time. > It seems to dissolve the gummed up old smoke fluid > in the angle hair. Hope > this works for some. > > Harwood > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` > > Note from moderator. > > Do this at your own risk! Let fluid evaportate out > of smoke unit in a well venelated area with no open > flames present(Water Heater Etc.) > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48308	From: John	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant commercialism SHS "This Week Now"

HI Don I myself would opt for the pdf file that I could view and d/l from your site as to have you snail mail me a copy of your updates thus saving you money to invest in new S gauge equipment for us. John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48309	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/30/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48310	From: Iron Horse	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Off topic ? Train favorites

I am using windows xp. Sometimes a hard drive will crash. There goes everything. What annoys me is all the Stuff I saved in "Favorites" in Internet explorer. Mainly, all the train websites I had saved in favorites Gone! ARGHhhhhh! I have been advised to back up my whole hard drive. No no no. I don't want to do that. Not practical just to save one list. Is there a way Favorites can be told to save onto a floppy/cd? Information on this will be appreciated, and by others I am sure. Swing and Sway the "S" gauge way. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48311	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy

BE good.... I am coming to York..... anybody else going????? Bob -------------- Original message from WJJIM@...: -------------- In a message dated 3/29/2008 9:35:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: Found that the tender was TOP HEAVY on the s version.... so it would tip over on the curves ONLY if you run it. Jim Lyle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48312	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Smoke unit

YES the smoke unit is the same unit used in the Gilbert HO, the 21168 Franklin and both the old time General. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48313	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Off topic ? Train favorites

Hey Roger, Yes indeed there is a way to save your bookmarks. You can save it to a file on your hard drive (I like to keep a copy on my desktop) and then copy that file to diskette, CD, DVD or flash drive. In the IE menu is a list of items under the File heading. File - Imports and Exports - That pops up a wizard that is supposed to make it easy for us. Select "Export Favorites" and click the 'Next' button. You will get a choice of which of your favorites to export. To save them all, select 'Favorites'; it is the top item. Click the 'Next' button. Now, you get to choose a file name and destination folder. Select the place and name you want to save them in the usual way and finish up. You get a web page that has all of your favorite bookmarks. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Iron Horse Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:00 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Off topic ? Train favorites I am using windows xp. Sometimes a hard drive will crash. There goes everything. What annoys me is all the Stuff I saved in "Favorites" in Internet explorer. Mainly, all the train websites I had saved in favorites Gone! ARGHhhhhh! I have been advised to back up my whole hard drive. No no no. I don't want to do that. Not practical just to save one list. Is there a way Favorites can be told to save onto a floppy/cd? Information on this will be appreciated, and by others I am sure. Swing and Sway the "S" gauge way. Roger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48314	From: cofa	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: e-mail test only

I am having trouble sendin replies to the group

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48315	From: roy inman	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy

Assuming that the tender is top heavy (although looking at the photo it is difficult to see how, what with the length to height ratio and all), I have had good luck with various types of rolling stock by adding a little weight to the underside. My guess is that a person could do the same thing with the tender. Those who pick it up and remark on the un-scale appearance will just have to deal with that :) Then too, the more narrow the radius the more likely a tip over is; I plan to run my BB on nothing less than 54" radius. Roy Inman From: WJJIM@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:39:02 -0400 (EDT) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy In a message dated 3/29/2008 9:35:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... <mailto:rcon7%40bellsouth.net> writes: Found that the tender was TOP HEAVY on the s version.... so it would tip over on the curves ONLY if you run it. Jim Lyle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom0 0030000000001 <http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aol hom00030000000001> ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48316	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Smoke unit

Not in the 21168 , this engine has it's own smoke unit ( although of standard size ) with a gear that meshes with drive wheel gear and this fits a Casey only ----- Original Message ----- From: "gerald r dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <bassflyer@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke unit > YES the smoke unit is the same unit used in the Gilbert HO, the 21168 > Franklin and both the old time General. > Jerry 77-11644 > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48317	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Smoke unit

Dear Jerry, Also the black 0-6-0 docksiders. Don gerald r dobbs wrote: > YES the smoke unit is the same unit used in the Gilbert HO, the 21168 > Franklin and both the old time General. > Jerry 77-11644 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48318	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant commercialism SHS "This Week Now"

Dear John, I will tell Robin. Best, Don John wrote: > HI Don > > I myself would opt for the pdf file that I could view and d/l from > your site > as to have you > snail mail me a copy of your updates thus saving you money to invest > in new > S gauge > equipment for us. > > John Frankforther > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48319	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Off topic ? Train favorites

Go to the following page: http://qbx6.ltu.edu/s_schneider/howto/ie_favorites.shtml This is a walk through for exporting and importing IE Favorites. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Iron Horse <cofa@...> wrote: > > I am using windows xp. Sometimes a hard drive will crash. There goes everything. What annoys me is all the Stuff I saved in "Favorites" in > Internet explorer. Mainly, all the train websites I had saved in > favorites Gone! ARGHhhhhh! > I have been advised to back up my whole hard drive. No no no. > I don't want to do that. Not practical just to save one list. > Is there a way Favorites can be told to save onto a floppy/cd? > > Information on this will be appreciated, and by others I am sure. > > Swing and Sway the "S" gauge way. > > Roger >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48320	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy

I run the K-Line Big Boy I converted to S gauge on American Models 24 inch radius track without any problems. I have successfully tested it on SHS 20 inch radius track. I lowered the tender to close to scale height and the result is a tender that is much less top heavy. I normally use the Big Boy to pull 35 car freight trains at fast freight speeds, but have run it almost wide open. Hopefully, Lionel will make the engine scale height. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Assuming that the tender is top heavy (although looking at the photo it is > difficult to see how, what with the length to height ratio and all), I have > had good luck with various types of rolling stock by adding a little weight > to the underside. My guess is that a person could do the same thing with the > tender. Those who pick it up and remark on the un-scale appearance will just > have to deal with that :) > > Then too, the more narrow the radius the more likely a tip over is; I plan > to run my BB on nothing less than 54" radius. > > Roy Inman > > From: WJJIM@... > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:39:02 -0400 (EDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy > > > > In a message dated 3/29/2008 9:35:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rcon7@... <mailto:rcon7%40bellsouth.net> writes: > > Found that the tender was TOP HEAVY on the s version.... so it would tip > over > on the curves > > ONLY if you run it. > > Jim Lyle > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer? video=15&ncid=aolhom0 > 0030000000001 > <http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer? video=15&ncid=aol > hom00030000000001> ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48321	From: Glenn	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: TCA AT YORK

I am offering to help Jim Lyle a couple of hours Wednesday at the National Toy Train Museum. I hope to be at York Thursday. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: rcon7@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: WJJIM@... Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Good news re: Flyonel Big Boy BE good.... I am coming to York..... anybody else going????? Bob -------------- Original message from WJJIM@...: -------------- In a message dated 3/29/2008 9:35:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: Found that the tender was TOP HEAVY on the s version.... so it would tip over on the curves ONLY if you run it. Jim Lyle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1349 - Release Date: 3/29/2008 5:02 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48322	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Franklin Smoke Update

Thanks to all of you for the helpful information about the Franklin smoke units. I took the air chamber cover off and made sure both the inlet holes from the piston and from the smoke chamber were open using an appropriate-sized stiff wire. I did not want to pull off the front cover of the unit as it looks to be a fiber cover that is force-fit into place. However, just by taking out the smoke stack tube, I could look down inside from the top pretty well. The filament looked OK, but I could not see any wicking at all - burnt or otherwise. Taking the lazy man's way out, I just twisted a roll of about 3 inches of wick material until I could get it down into the smoke tube hole and stuffed it around the filament. I then made sure the very top of the unit was open for air to flow through from the air chamber using the wire trick again. The results were worth it. I still don't know if it's putting out what it really should, but I do know it's putting out triple or more of what it did before the surgery, and doing it with pretty consistent smoke rings. Ah, the sweet smell of vaporized oil filling the room in the evening!! All is well in the world... Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48323	From: michael prell	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update

Michael, I'm not quite sure as to why you posted, "Sorry no more updates on my layout or emails from me on this list. I had enough. thank you. Mike Marmer" but if I said or did anything to insult you, please believe me that that was never my intention. I've enjoyed reading what you've had to say since the beginning and until recently had not the chance to contribute. So again, if I've insulted you I am deeply sorry.Please believe that. Mike Prell Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Sorry no more updates on my layout or emails from me on this list. I had enough. thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update There's always room for jello and LogLoaders! :>) Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Mike, Thanks for the suggestion, but I just don't have the room for one. I have a ton accessories, saw mill, barrel loader, stock yard, piggy back unloader, milk car, Joe and Moe, mail pick up, plus the auto and log dump, Gabe, water towers. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48324	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update

Mike, No, your email was fine. So, no need to worry or apologize. Sorry I was not more clear on what happen, as it something happened with another member on the list, and things are patched up. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update Michael, I'm not quite sure as to why you posted, "Sorry no more updates on my layout or emails from me on this list. I had enough. thank you. Mike Marmer" but if I said or did anything to insult you, please believe me that that was never my intention. I've enjoyed reading what you've had to say since the beginning and until recently had not the chance to contribute. So again, if I've insulted you I am deeply sorry.Please believe that. Mike Prell Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Sorry no more updates on my layout or emails from me on this list. I had enough. thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update There's always room for jello and LogLoaders! :>) Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Mike, Thanks for the suggestion, but I just don't have the room for one. I have a ton accessories, saw mill, barrel loader, stock yard, piggy back unloader, milk car, Joe and Moe, mail pick up, plus the auto and log dump, Gabe, water towers. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48325	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update

Mike, Michael, lets just continue with the good train talk! I have enjoyed reading the progress of good buddy Marmer's railroad, keep it up Mike! I would enjoy reading progress of other's building a layout also. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Mike, No, your email was fine. So, no need to worry or apologize. Sorry I was not more clear on what happen, as it something happened with another member on the list, and things are patched up. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update Michael, I'm not quite sure as to why you posted, "Sorry no more updates on my layout or emails from me on this list. I had enough. thank you. Mike Marmer" but if I said or did anything to insult you, please believe me that that was never my intention. I've enjoyed reading what you've had to say since the beginning and until recently had not the chance to contribute. So again, if I've insulted you I am deeply sorry.Please believe that. Mike Prell Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Sorry no more updates on my layout or emails from me on this list. I had enough. thank you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: michael prell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Layout update There's always room for jello and LogLoaders! :>) Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Mike, Thanks for the suggestion, but I just don't have the room for one. I have a ton accessories, saw mill, barrel loader, stock yard, piggy back unloader, milk car, Joe and Moe, mail pick up, plus the auto and log dump, Gabe, water towers. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48326	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Messages

Sorry for my abrupt email of last week about no more emails from me, as poor Mike Prell, must of wondered what he did wrong. Again, it was nothing what he wrote. It was just bad timing as I got a email in private from someone else on the list, writing to me, that something I wrote last week upset him and he made a few comments to me, that I did not care to read about. We have patched things up. I will say, that I have gotten quite a few emails in private from those who do not like what I write from time to time, as some of those people we know about but then, I have gotten emails from people who hide by using a fake email address. For what ever reason any of you reading this do not like a email that was approved by a moderator or by someone else, please do not email that person telling them so. Just delete the message and move on. If you really are bugged about something with that message, maybe you should email the moderator, as to why the message was approve. I think that is fair to do, since that is the job of the moderator, as the moderators do a great job overall. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48327	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?

Dear Larry: The shell is 3/16 scale in length, adjusted for the drivers. The width of the shell is 1/4 scale. The casting was created to go over the O Gauge American Flyer mechanism. After the war, the same shell was used with an S Gauge mechanism. So the width is wrong. As for the length, it has the correct proportions. Almost all close-coupled steam locomotives are made too long. Close-coupled is when the drivers nearly touch. This extra length is one of the 'dirty secrets' of Model Railroading. They are stretched to accommodate the larger flanges many feel are necessary for good operation by the model. I bet if we ask Don Thomson he will tell us the 2-8-0 is stretched just a tiny bit for difference between NMRA/NASG flanges and P64. Have you ever looked at a Lionel 4-8-4? Lionel uses some tricks. First, everything is shortened from front to rear. Second, the outer drivers have huge, tinplate flanges. (They operate very well with these flanges, thank you!) The middle drivers are not only blind (no flanges), the are reverse-flanged! The back of each of the middle drivers is missing so the outer driver's flange can tuck into this space. Using this trick you could get the basic mechanism to be correctly spaced -- assuming the drivers are the right size. The leading and trailing trucks are another issue. Models have to make compromises because of our curves. I remember hearing (and I am sure someone will correct me) that the accurate minimum radius for an accurate N&W J with 70 inch drivers is about 12 feet. Yet the model does it in 3 - 4 feet. So things have to be more 'loose' in the model. To this end the leading and trailing trucks are not in the correct locations or cut-outs are provided, or other compromises are done. When all plastic shells were introduced with 3/16 width, A. C. Gilbert removed the inside half of the cylinders to provide the room. Sorry to be the bearer of yet more bad news. Thorin (first name) Marty (last name) ________________________________ From: ljaneski@... [mailto:ljaneski@...] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:50 AM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype? Marty, Thanks for th reply. I was thinking more of the casting only. It looks close in proportion but the length looks short Thanks Larry Janeski -------------- Original message from "Marty.Thorin" <Thorin.Marty@...>: -------------- Dear Larry: I only have a few minutes a day that I can read the S-Trains and S-Scale lists. So I read part of the lists. (Which sometimes causes me to ask questions that were recently answered.) I can not tell you if the AF Hudson has ever been discussed for accuracy. I can tell you that the NYC Hudson had 80 inch drivers. This is much larger than the American Flyer 57 inches. I heard that the Texas and Pacific had a passenger pacific (4-6-2) with 57 inch drivers. Memory tells me it looked much like the AF plastic C&NW pacific with the centered headlight. This locomotive's solitary claim to fame is having 57 inch drivers. No, the AF Hudson is not an accurat e model of the NYC Hudson. Sorry. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of larry999970123 Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:17 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: 2f. Re: I have some AF to scale conversion drivers in 2 sizes Thorin, Do you have any idea How close is the Af hudson to the prototype? Has that ever been discussed on the lists? Thanks Larry Janeski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48328	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?

Dear Thorin, Did you actually use some type of instrument to measure the width of the AF Hudson, or is the 1/4 scale (?) just an assumption. Best, Don Marty.Thorin wrote: > Dear Larry: > The shell is 3/16 scale in length, adjusted for the drivers. The > width of the shell is 1/4 scale > Thorin (first name) > Marty (last name) > > ________________________________ > > From: ljaneski@... <mailto:ljaneski%40bellsouth.net> > [mailto:ljaneski@... <mailto:ljaneski%40bellsouth.net>] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:50 AM > To: Marty.Thorin > Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype? > > Marty, > > Thanks for th reply. > > I was thinking more of the casting only. It looks close in proportion > but the length looks short > > Thanks > Larry Janeski > > -------------- Original message from "Marty.Thorin" > <Thorin.Marty@... > <mailto:Thorin.Marty%40we-energies.com>>: -------------- > > Dear Larry: > I only have a few minutes a day that I can read the S-Trains and S-Scale > lists. So I read part of the lists. (Which sometimes causes me to ask > questions that were recently answered.) I can not tell you if the AF > Hudson has ever been discussed for accuracy. > > I can tell you that the NYC Hudson had 80 inch drivers. This is much > larger than the American Flyer 57 inches. I heard that the Texas and > Pacific had a passenger pacific (4-6-2) with 57 inch drivers. Memory > tells me it looked much like the AF plastic C&NW pacific with the > centered headlight. This locomotive's solitary claim to fame is having > 57 inch drivers. > > No, the AF Hudson is not an accurat e model of the NYC Hudson. Sorry. > Thorin > > -----Original Message----- > From: notify@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notify%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notify%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf > Of larry999970123 > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:17 PM > To: Marty.Thorin > Subject: 2f. Re: I have some AF to scale conversion drivers in 2 sizes > > Thorin, > > Do you have any idea How close is the Af hudson to the prototype? > > Has that ever been discussed on the lists? > > Thanks > Larry Janeski > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48329	From: klatoo_verracta	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: What era do you work?

Nice election BG1. Thanks you for reply. Kindest regards: Leo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48330	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?

DON..... I think it a well known fact that AC built thier prewar stuff, engines, to a scale of 3/16" in height and length but 1/4" in width to accomendate the running gear..... After the war when they went full 3/16" they kept the shells but redid the running gear... Bob -------------- Original message from Don Thompson <don@...>: -------------- Dear Thorin, Did you actually use some type of instrument to measure the width of the AF Hudson, or is the 1/4 scale (?) just an assumption. Best, Don Marty.Thorin wrote: > Dear Larry: > The shell is 3/16 scale in length, adjusted for the drivers. The > width of the shell is 1/4 scale > Thorin (first name) > Marty (last name) > > ________________________________ > > From: ljaneski@... <mailto:ljaneski%40bellsouth.net> > [mailto:ljaneski@... <mailto:ljaneski%40bellsouth.net>] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:50 AM > To: Marty.Thorin > Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype? > > Marty, > > Thanks for th reply. > > I was thinking more of the casting only. It looks close in proportion > but the length looks short > > Thanks > Larry Janeski > > -------------- Original message from "Marty.Thorin" > <Thorin.Marty@... > <mailto:Thorin.Marty%40we-energies.com>>: -------------- > > Dear Larry: > I only have a few minutes a day that I can read the S-Trains and S-Scale > lists. So I read part of the lists. (Which sometimes causes me to ask > questions that were recently answered.) I can not tell you if the AF > Hudson has ever been discussed for accuracy. > > I can tell you that the NYC Hudson had 80 inch drivers. This is much > larger than the American Flyer 57 inches. I heard that the Texas and > Pacific had a passenger pacific (4-6-2) with 57 inch drivers. Memory > tells me it looked much like the AF plastic C&NW pacific with the > centered headlight. This locomotive's solitary claim to fame is having > 57 inch drivers. > > No, the AF Hudson is not an accurat e model of the NYC Hudson. Sorry. > Thorin > > -----Original Message----- > From: notify@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notify%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notify%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf > Of larry999970123 > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:17 PM > To: Marty.Thorin > Subject: 2f. Re: I have some AF to scale conversion drivers in 2 sizes > > Thorin, > > Do you have any idea How close is the Af hudson to the prototype? > > Has that ever been discussed on the lists? > > Thanks > Larry Janeski > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48331	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?

Dear Bob, I have no idea regarding the pre-war stuff, but, the posting was about what was used with the S gauge mechanism. Best, Don Marty Thorin wrote: Dear Larry: ...After the war, the same shell was used with an S Gauge mechanism. So the width is wrong Don rcon7@... wrote: > DON..... I think it a well known fact that AC built thier prewar > stuff, engines, to a scale of 3/16" in height and length but 1/4" in > width to accomendate the running gear..... After the war when they > went full 3/16" they kept the shells but redid the running gear... Bob > > -------------- Original message from Don Thompson > <don@...>: -------------- > > Dear Thorin, > Did you actually use some type of instrument to measure the width of > the AF Hudson, or is the 1/4 scale (?) just an assumption. > Best, > Don > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48332	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

To All: I've been a member of this group for almost five years. I heard about it when I was at Don's S-Helper's open house in June of 2003. I've posted some emails with questions, replied on other member questions. I've always been amazed on the depth of knowledge here on this subject and other subjects too. I remember fondly a few Tom Jarco emails both general posts and off list ones that we shared. In any case I think it's time to lighten things up with a couple of nagging questions I have and a start of a thread. Question One, Since when in describing AF rolling stock, Locomotives, and accesories on Ebay are they vintage? I enjoy a glass of wine at times and am familiar with the word vintage, but since when have toy trains become vintage? Question Two, Why when there is a mixed rolling stock lot on Ebay (especially the less than good condition) they always contain multiple cabooses? If I do the math right every freight set had only one caboose with at least three or more other cars. So take an average ratio of four cars to one caboose. Why have more cabeeses survived? (Please no replies with extra terrestrial explanations. Same goes with any Bermuda triangle associations.) Thread Start (Especially Stumpy, that mountain guy) Everyone posts their good work. Let's flip it. Tell about the worst thing you did to an AF train. Here's mine: My first engine was a NY, NH & H 4-6-2 Steamer. It stopped running in about 1970. I bought some AF from a kid on my block for $5.00. The stuff included two Pennsy 0-6-0 steamers, so I took apart the two Pennsy switchers to get my original steamer running. What happened to the remains of the swichers is a mystery. But I would have done better to keep the 0-6-0s and parked the 4-6-2. Hindsight is always 20-20. Regards, Have fun with trains. Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48333	From: roy inman	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

Bob; The only question I can come close to having a sorta-kinda answer for is vintage. MY definition of vintage is that they don't make any more of them, or as in the case of an old photograph, no one can go back and shoot it again, as in O. Winston Link's flashbulb images of the last days of steam on the Norfolk and Western. Webster's will probably have a different take. As far as the worst thing I have ever done to an AF train: I was setting up a still life diorama photo on a War of the World's theme and used a propane torch on a string of old, already beat up AF tank cars to make them look laser-burned. Darn near set the train table on fire, but it made an interesting shot. Roy Inman From: romoyer@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:40:34 +0000 To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Fun Questions and a Thread Start To All: I've been a member of this group for almost five years. I heard about it when I was at Don's S-Helper's open house in June of 2003. I've posted some emails with questions, replied on other member questions. I've always been amazed on the depth of knowledge here on this subject and other subjects too. I remember fondly a few Tom Jarco emails both general posts and off list ones that we shared. In any case I think it's time to lighten things up with a couple of nagging questions I have and a start of a thread. Question One, Since when in describing AF rolling stock, Locomotives, and accesories on Ebay are they vintage? I enjoy a glass of wine at times and am familiar with the word vintage, but since when have toy trains become vintage? Question Two, Why when there is a mixed rolling stock lot on Ebay (especially the less than good condition) they always contain multiple cabooses? If I do the math right every freight set had only one caboose with at least three or more other cars. So take an average ratio of four cars to one caboose. Why have more cabeeses survived? (Please no replies with extra terrestrial explanations. Same goes with any Bermuda triangle associations.) Thread Start (Especially Stumpy, that mountain guy) Everyone posts their good work. Let's flip it. Tell about the worst thing you did to an AF train. Here's mine: My first engine was a NY, NH & H 4-6-2 Steamer. It stopped running in about 1970. I bought some AF from a kid on my block for $5.00. The stuff included two Pennsy 0-6-0 steamers, so I took apart the two Pennsy switchers to get my original steamer running. What happened to the remains of the swichers is a mystery. But I would have done better to keep the 0-6-0s and parked the 4-6-2. Hindsight is always 20-20. Regards, Have fun with trains. Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48334	From: Firewood	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, romoyer@... wrote: I've always been amazed on the depth of knowledge here on this subject and other subjects too. As a recent AF convert, I couldn't agree more. If Flyer was a Jeopardy category........ > Question One, > Since when in describing AF rolling stock, Locomotives, and accesories on Ebay are they vintage? I enjoy a glass of wine at times and am familiar with the word vintage, but since when have toy trains become vintage? It would seem anything "retro" or "vintage" seems to stem from descriptions of what might be called "20th Century antiques". > Question Two, > Why when there is a mixed rolling stock lot on Ebay (especially the less than good condition) they always contain multiple cabooses? AF (and Marx tin) cabooses appear to be the model railroad equivalent of wire coathangers. Somehow they multiply in closets. > Thread Start (Especially Stumpy, that mountain guy) > Everyone posts their good work. Let's flip it. Tell about the worst thing you did to an AF train. > As a recent convert to AF (must use that excuse all the time)I have done no bad work.....heh heh. However an Ebay Gulf tanker's metal parts vaporized into rusty dust upon removal from the packing once..... > Regards, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48335	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed Update 3/31

Road Bed Update, as I will be going with the new product they are making. Trains maybe rolling soon, milk, wood, and other products will soon be rolling on the rails. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Roadbed Update 3/31 Hello Mr. Marmer, A small quantity of raw materials arrived Monday 3/24. Production did not go well. Only a small amount is usable now that is has been processed in the the difference thicknesses. There will only be enough to process the very oldest orders. They will be out of 1/4" material before your order comes up in line to be cut. With your permission I would like to send to you a sample of a new vinyl roadbed product called Flexxbed. We will begin advertising and marketing it starting 4/1. It has all the same dimensions and characteristics of Vinylbed. After it has been on the market for a while, we may find that it is actually superior. It is sound absorbing, durable, reusable, dimensionally stable, and it curves in one piece. The main difference between the two is that Flexxbed is a solid gray vinyl, while Vinylbed is a recycled multi-shaded gray vinyl. Due to the shortage of gray scrap materials, Vinylbed has become too unpredictable. We will continue to market it as materials become available to us. But for now we will be offering everyone the option to change to Flexxbed, cancel their order, or continue to wait for more scrap to accumulate and be shipped to us. The latter comes with a warning. It is just my opinion, but if the amount of material received 3/25 is all that they could come up with after 3 months. It may take as long as that again before any more is shipped. I know you may have your doubts about trying a brand new product, but the members of the "Southern California S Gaugers Club" received samples and voted to use Flexxbed on their modular layout which will be displayed at the NMRA convention this July. Please excuse the name drop, but their membership includes the owners of Classic Trains. If you know them, you may want to get their observations and opinion of the product before you make your decision. I wish I had better news for you, but this is our situation. Please let me know how you would like to proceed. Kind Regards, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: One more question From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Thu, March 27, 2008 7:27 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Sales@...> Thanks, as again you are making the thickness with the raw material. So that means when my turn is up, that should not be a issue. I think I over order which is good! If I short myself, I would have to go back to the end of the line. O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: title=Joann@... onclick="Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=Joann%40HobbyInnovations.com');; return false;" href="mailto:Joann@..." target=_blank>Joann Sovia To: title=mlmarmer@... onclick="Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=mlmarmer%40verizon.net');; return false;" href="mailto:mlmarmer@..." target=_blank>MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: RE: One more question Mr. Marmer, Yes is the answer, if I understand your question correctly. Our #1 goal is to have all thicknesses (1/8" thru 1/2") available and ready to be cut into roadbed 365 days a year. Each thickness can be made into several different part numbers, so the only process time that you as a customer should experience is waiting for the roadbed to be cut into your specific scale. For the last 20 years we have been able to accomplish our goal 99% of the time. The unforeseen problems that have developed in the last few months are brand new to us. If someone would have told me at the beginning of the year, that at the end of March we would still have pending orders from January, I would have told them that they were out of their mind. But here it is and it is an undeniable fact. So we are exploring all possibilities and dealing with this as best as we can. It is unrealistic to believe everyone will continue to put their layout plans on hold indefinitely. Hopefully this issue will be resolved very soon. Sincerely, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: One more question From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Thu, March 27, 2008 1:55 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Joann@...> Joann, You have been very kind in answering my questions. I have one more. When you get your raw material, then the thickness is made by your company as you trim. Meaning when it comes to my turn for the order, I wont have to worry if you have the right thickness? I hope that is the case. Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48336	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

Tom Jarcho was a great fan of baseball as we would go back and forth about that as this is opening week. As for Ebay, I know where you are coming from, but the word Vintage means Old, as AF products are now 41 years or older. It for the seller to use the best possible description for marketing purpose to sell his products, make it desirable. Most of us know what is desirable and not. But then there is someone out there who might need such a car that have little value but is still vintage AF. Vintage has nothing to do with the value of a item, just that it is old. For example. I am in need of a E+ 24626 Caboose. A common item, but it is vintage. I am having a hard time finding this, as it would be around 50 to 60 dollars. Valuable? No. Vintage? Yes. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: romoyer@... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fun Questions and a Thread Start To All: I've been a member of this group for almost five years. I heard about it when I was at Don's S-Helper's open house in June of 2003. I've posted some emails with questions, replied on other member questions. I've always been amazed on the depth of knowledge here on this subject and other subjects too. I remember fondly a few Tom Jarco emails both general posts and off list ones that we shared. In any case I think it's time to lighten things up with a couple of nagging questions I have and a start of a thread. Question One, Since when in describing AF rolling stock, Locomotives, and accesories on Ebay are they vintage? I enjoy a glass of wine at times and am familiar with the word vintage, but since when have toy trains become vintage? Question Two, Why when there is a mixed rolling stock lot on Ebay (especially the less than good condition) they always contain multiple cabooses? If I do the math right every freight set had only one caboose with at least three or more other cars. So take an average ratio of four cars to one caboose. Why have more cabeeses survived? (Please no replies with extra terrestrial explanations. Same goes with any Bermuda triangle associations.) Thread Start (Especially Stumpy, that mountain guy) Everyone posts their good work. Let's flip it. Tell about the worst thing you did to an AF train. Here's mine: My first engine was a NY, NH & H 4-6-2 Steamer. It stopped running in about 1970. I bought some AF from a kid on my block for $5.00. The stuff included two Pennsy 0-6-0 steamers, so I took apart the two Pennsy switchers to get my original steamer running. What happened to the remains of the swichers is a mystery. But I would have done better to keep the 0-6-0s and parked the 4-6-2. Hindsight is always 20-20. Regards, Have fun with trains. Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48337	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

Ok here's what vintage means: It is worth more than what is listed as old, but less than rare. Attic find is a whole other ball game. Mike **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48338	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Messages

Michael & Linda, I'm saying this pubically and with complete honesty. You were absolutely right. I'd say that in about 99.9% of the time, people who contribute to this group are here because they enjoy the hobby and feel comfortable with participating. It's that .1% and thats a very small number, who from time to time either wake up on the wrong side of the tracks or maybe the coffee they had tasted more like steam sludge, thus setting things in motion that are less than positive. I tend to forget this, but friends, isn't life a little too short to take ourselves too seriously? Anyway, that's enough blowing off steam from me. Tracks ahead and watch out for those curves! SSSSS-incerely, Mike Prell Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Sorry for my abrupt email of last week about no more emails from me, as poor Mike Prell, must of wondered what he did wrong. Again, it was nothing what he wrote. It was just bad timing as I got a email in private from someone else on the list, writing to me, that something I wrote last week upset him and he made a few comments to me, that I did not care to read about. We have patched things up. I will say, that I have gotten quite a few emails in private from those who do not like what I write from time to time, as some of those people we know about but then, I have gotten emails from people who hide by using a fake email address. For what ever reason any of you reading this do not like a email that was approved by a moderator or by someone else, please do not email that person telling them so. Just delete the message and move on. If you really are bugged about something with that message, maybe you should email the moderator, as to why the message was approve. I think that is fair to do, since that is the job of the moderator, as the moderators do a great job overall. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48339	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

I'd like to add a thread to the list. What is the greatest matchup over a long period of time of Flyer pieces. Mine - I bought a NP A-B-A 1956 set where the collector owner had substituted a 1957 A unit for one with a broken skirt. 10 years later while standing in a hobby shop, a guy brought in a box of stuff. I discretely stayed quiet while the shop owner cut his deal and the guy left. The owner called me over knowing I was an S gauge guy and asked if I was interested. In the box, the A unit I needed and another A unit matching the 1957 unit. Result - a correct 1956 set and the makings of a correct 1957 freight set. Bill Soggy in Central Virginia --- anormal1@... wrote: > Ok here's what vintage means: It is worth more than > what is listed as old, > but less than rare. > Attic find is a whole other ball game. Mike > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. > Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48340	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

I thought I was stupid, but Roy wins (LOL). Years ago before I started getting knowledgeable, I had something nasty stuck on top of a boxcar. I used rubbing alcohol to remove it. It worked, but it also removed all the paint in the area! Bob roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Bob; The only question I can come close to having a sorta-kinda answer for is vintage. MY definition of vintage is that they don't make any more of them, or as in the case of an old photograph, no one can go back and shoot it again, as in O. Winston Link's flashbulb images of the last days of steam on the Norfolk and Western. Webster's will probably have a different take. As far as the worst thing I have ever done to an AF train: I was setting up a still life diorama photo on a War of the World's theme and used a propane torch on a string of old, already beat up AF tank cars to make them look laser-burned. Darn near set the train table on fire, but it made an interesting shot. Roy Inman From: romoyer@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:40:34 +0000 To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Fun Questions and a Thread Start To All: I've been a member of this group for almost five years. I heard about it when I was at Don's S-Helper's open house in June of 2003. I've posted some emails with questions, replied on other member questions. I've always been amazed on the depth of knowledge here on this subject and other subjects too. I remember fondly a few Tom Jarco emails both general posts and off list ones that we shared. In any case I think it's time to lighten things up with a couple of nagging questions I have and a start of a thread. Question One, Since when in describing AF rolling stock, Locomotives, and accesories on Ebay are they vintage? I enjoy a glass of wine at times and am familiar with the word vintage, but since when have toy trains become vintage? Question Two, Why when there is a mixed rolling stock lot on Ebay (especially the less than good condition) they always contain multiple cabooses? If I do the math right every freight set had only one caboose with at least three or more other cars. So take an average ratio of four cars to one caboose. Why have more cabeeses survived? (Please no replies with extra terrestrial explanations. Same goes with any Bermuda triangle associations.) Thread Start (Especially Stumpy, that mountain guy) Everyone posts their good work. Let's flip it. Tell about the worst thing you did to an AF train. Here's mine: My first engine was a NY, NH & H 4-6-2 Steamer. It stopped running in about 1970. I bought some AF from a kid on my block for $5.00. The stuff included two Pennsy 0-6-0 steamers, so I took apart the two Pennsy switchers to get my original steamer running. What happened to the remains of the swichers is a mystery. But I would have done better to keep the 0-6-0s and parked the 4-6-2. Hindsight is always 20-20. Regards, Have fun with trains. Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48341	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: #49618 NYC Dockside Switcher Freight Set

Can anyone tell me the catalog number of the boxcar in this set? I need it for TheGilbertGallery.org. Can anyone email me a large picture of it (at least 800 pixels wide) for TheGilbertGallery.org? Does anyone have one they'd like to sell? I have the rest of the train. Thanks. Bob --------------------------------- Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48342	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

If one were to ask my Better Half, she'd probably say that 62 is vintage and that my picture belongs next to the def in the dictionery. Heck, long as I'm still breathing she cant call me a fossel. Not yet, anyway. Worse thing? Well, maybe this fits. When my first wife and I moved to a different part of Northern New York, I wound up inadvertently leaving a trunk full of my Flyer stuff behind. Yup! The woman who moved in had two young sons (maybe 9 or 10, who found and got into the trunk. You can guess the rest. After I retreived my property I discovered the creativity of the young mind. A 302 that my Dad gave me was disassembled and painted gold. To make a long story short, I visited a friend who put me onto TCA and the rest is history. My current collection of puffers isnt huge but its fun. This could have gone either way. I'm just glad I listened to a small voice that said not to throw that trunk full of wreckage away. Whew! anormal1@... wrote: Ok here's what vintage means: It is worth more than what is listed as old, but less than rare. Attic find is a whole other ball game. Mike **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends: Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48343	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Docksider Pictures

The Docksider page of The Gilbert Gallery has been updated with the engines I just bought and larger and better pictures of some others: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Docksider.html Can anyone send me some large (at least 800 pixels wide) pictures of any of the following: #21155, #21156, #48040, or #48062? I'd sure appreciate it. Bob --------------------------------- No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48344	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Fun questions and a thread start

Question One: When is old Flyer "vintage" like fine wine? When it has decayed far enough to drink.....(-; Question Two: Why did so many cabeese survive when there was only one to a train set? They didn't! Flyer is the victim of a weird and terrifying cloning experiment! (No aliens or the Triangle were used in this explanation, just like you said!) ;-( Nastiest thing I've ever done to original Flyer? Hmmmm...I'm not sure I can single that out...perhaps it hasn't happened yet! I just missed a junker Northern a few weeks ago at the hobby shop. It would have made a nice cab forward with two 0-8-0 chassis under it.....(-: You expected straight answers from me? Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer, Mad Butcher, Stand Up Philosopher, from my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48345	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?

I have a Flyer prewar O gauge diecast worm drive Reading Atlantic that I put S gauge running gear into. Change required no chopping and all mounts for O and S scale mechanisms were interchangeable. The only concession to O gauge that I found is some extra width of the O gauge steam chest. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Thompson Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 4:34 PM To: rcon7@... Cc: S Scale e-group; S Train e-group Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype? Dear Bob, I have no idea regarding the pre-war stuff, but, the posting was about what was used with the S gauge mechanism. Best, Don Marty Thorin wrote: Dear Larry: ...After the war, the same shell was used with an S Gauge mechanism. So the width is wrong Don rcon7@bellsouth. <mailto:rcon7%40bellsouth.net> net wrote: > DON..... I think it a well known fact that AC built thier prewar > stuff, engines, to a scale of 3/16" in height and length but 1/4" in > width to accomendate the running gear..... After the war when they > went full 3/16" they kept the shells but redid the running gear... Bob > > -------------- Original message from Don Thompson > <don@showcaseline. <mailto:don%40showcaseline.com> com>: -------------- > > Dear Thorin, > Did you actually use some type of instrument to measure the width of > the AF Hudson, or is the 1/4 scale (?) just an assumption. > Best, > Don > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48346	From: dale reynolds	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Bob's Question about excess cabooses

my dad and i always did our train shopping the day after christmas, when trains and all other toys went on sale. in around 1959 or 60, we went to wannamakers downtown philly store to find the layout was torn down but the table had what looked to me to be hundreds of only 2 cars, the 800 series b&o hoppers and thecurrent cheapie cabooses. my dad asked the manager how come only these were left. he told dad that they were due to breaking up of starter sets, which the store ordered in large quantities due to price. but as train customers matured they couldnt use more starter sets, but wanted single freight cars and locomotives. so they broke up the sets, sold the desireable pieces separately for decent prices, and these cars were left over. he offered to sell the cars for 1 dollar each. so i asked for some hoppers, as i could not use any more cabooses on my layout. still have them. then later, in the 70's, midwest clubs bot up cabooses for the trucks, josh seltzer and others, and had caboose body smashing parties to get rid of them. obviously they missed many!!!!! Dale Reynolds, Pendleton, SC reynoldsdale@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48347	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, romoyer@... wrote: > Thread Start (Especially Stumpy, that mountain guy) > Everyone posts their good work. Let's flip it. Tell about the worst thing you did to an AF train. Here's mine: All: So far you guys got nuthin on worst. Here's worst: Due to circumstances beyond my control, I have a "ceiling height" layout. Coming out of a bend there is a spot where 2 switches back to back allow for interchange from inner to outer track, followed by an "S" curve on the inside line to get the 2 tracks closer together. One fine day in 1992, when only the 2 main tracks were up, I had a Hudson running fine, pulling a nice mixture of "vintage" box cars, gondolas, and 2 "cabeese". Hudsons go pretty good you know. So there is Casey Jones, throttled up, watching the Hudson go charging across the switch, as the pilot truck derails, into the "S", and off into space. Sigh. Took the whole train with it. But the good news, the "cabeese" survived unscathed. (That is another reason there are so many of them on ebay.) The Hudson chasis will forever have a twist to it. I keep the chasis around as a reminder. cheers phil d

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48348	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

As a kid..... My Atlantic jumped the track and fell to the tile floor at the heater..... PERMENT DENT..... STILL HERE AND IT STILL RUNS..... 1049+-..... Bob -------------- Original message from "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...>: -------------- --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, romoyer@... wrote: > Thread Start (Especially Stumpy, that mountain guy) > Everyone posts their good work. Let's flip it. Tell about the worst thing you did to an AF train. Here's mine: All: So far you guys got nuthin on worst. Here's worst: Due to circumstances beyond my control, I have a "ceiling height" layout. Coming out of a bend there is a spot where 2 switches back to back allow for interchange from inner to outer track, followed by an "S" curve on the inside line to get the 2 tracks closer together. One fine day in 1992, when only the 2 main tracks were up, I had a Hudson running fine, pulling a nice mixture of "vintage" box cars, gondolas, and 2 "cabeese". Hudsons go pretty good you know. So there is Casey Jones, throttled up, watching the Hudson go charging across the switch, as the pilot truck derails, into the "S", and off into space. Sigh. Took the whole train with it. But the good news, the "cabeese" survived unscathed. (That is another reason there are so many of them on ebay.) The Hudson chasis will forever have a twist to it. I keep the chasis around as a reminder. cheers phil d [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48349	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: (no subject)

I have been a member of this group for many years. AND, sometimes this group drifts a little off the AF/S gauge subject, BUT, thru this group, I have met and talked ( and biked ) with several members of this group, ( American flyer / S gauge ) people, that I would take a bullet for. YOU are members of a special group. PLEASE respect a person that vents a little, They, like me, want to feel close to others that have the same interest and shear this interest. If you cannot deal with what is discussed please feel free to tune to another channel.. Jerry TCA-77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48350	From: G C	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun questions and a thread start

How bout bash butchering some sort of box cab electric from two of them there flying "cabeeses". As I mentioned to someone the other day, some body has to do their part in population control. Just too many of them durn things around. gene ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48351	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype?

Actually I had always thought the O gauge Atlantic to be a different casting but when I check my 1941 and 1946 O gauge Atlantics with my 1946 S Atlantics I see you are right. Alistair --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...> wrote: > > I have a Flyer prewar O gauge diecast worm drive Reading Atlantic that I put > S gauge running gear into. Change required no chopping and all mounts for O > and S scale mechanisms were interchangeable. The only concession to O gauge > that I found is some extra width of the O gauge steam chest. > > > > Chuck Smith > > http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ > > cesmith@... > > > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Don Thompson > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 4:34 PM > To: rcon7@... > Cc: S Scale e-group; S Train e-group > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: How close is the AF Hudson to the prototype? > > > > Dear Bob, > I have no idea regarding the pre-war stuff, but, the posting was > about what was used with the S gauge mechanism. > Best, > Don > > Marty Thorin wrote: > Dear Larry: > ...After the war, the same shell was used with an S Gauge mechanism. So > the width is wrong > > Don > > rcon7@bellsouth. <mailto:rcon7%40bellsouth.net> net wrote: > > > DON..... I think it a well known fact that AC built thier prewar > > stuff, engines, to a scale of 3/16" in height and length but 1/4" in > > width to accomendate the running gear..... After the war when they > > went full 3/16" they kept the shells but redid the running gear... Bob > > > > -------------- Original message from Don Thompson > > <don@showcaseline. <mailto:don%40showcaseline.com> com>: --------- ----- > > > > Dear Thorin, > > Did you actually use some type of instrument to measure the width of > > the AF Hudson, or is the 1/4 scale (?) just an assumption. > > Best, > > Don > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48352	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

Hello Friends, Most of my worst (read: dumbest) things I have done to "vintage" American Flyer trains outside of the purely accidental had to do with the misguided attempts of my youth to make the then readily available Gilbert S gauge trains look more realistic like the HO trains I saw in my copies of Railroad Model Craftsman and Model Trains from the neighborhood hobby shops (There were such places then!) that I read and re-read. This included painting my own PCE (Pacific Cascade and Eastern) logo on a couple of cars from my Atlantic set and, worse, on my Alco PA from my Comet set. Fortunately, these changes did not include total repaints, and aftermarket decals have since returned the Alco to a decent operator quality loco. The one I regret and chuckle about the most, however, was taking a brand new blue 21158 Docksider that I bought for $3.99 from the local bike and hobby shop while in high school and, knowing that old steam locomotives were not blue but black, immediately painting it with a mixture of gloss black and grey I had left over from my other hobby of building plastic airplane and ship models. I am not sure glossy grey/black was a realistic color either, but that is how the steam locos looked in the black and white photos in my model railroading magazines. Little did I know that AF was about to go out of business, and after finishing high school and college, etc, that I would eventually rekindle my interest in AF as a collector instead of a model railroader. There in my boyhood collection of AF trains was an otherwise "like new" AF docksider in a lousy paint job. Even though it was the cheapest of AF locos, the 21158 did raise to a collector value quite beyond my purchase price. I still have it although most of the model paint has been removed during various failed restoration attempts. A good reminder of an early folly. About the same time I painted the docksider, I narrowly avoided what would have been the absolute worst thing I could have done with my AF trains. I actually purchased a Rivarossi HO docksider and a couple of HO car kits in preparation of selling all of my AF S gauge and going into the more realistic HO. High school sports, cars and a move to another city put my train hobby on hold, and by the time I got reintroduced to it several years later, I realized that A C Gilbert was out of business, and my AF trains were worth saving. I still have that HO docksider as well. Another reminder of another near folly. Over 40 years later and still playing with my (somewhat altered) toy trains. Cheers, Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48353	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Definition of VINTAGE

Right off the bat, VINTAGE in reference to wine refers to the time of the gathering of the grapes used to produce the wine. But enough about that and on to everything else. Vintage: the class of a dated object with reference to era of production or use. So we have AF post-war vintage, AF pre-war vintage, AFL 1960s vintage and on and on and on we go. A 2007 Lionel AF Mikado could be refered to as 2007 vintage. One could even refer the a vintage 2005 SHS billboard reefer for example. Common usage would make one think vintage refers to something OLD, but no so. Now who wants to take a stab at vintage versus classic versus antique?? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48354	From: ecphora123	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: No 355 Baldwin Switcher

Of interest to some, there is short, but informative article (page 98) in the May issue of CTT on the 355 Baldwin Switcher. As there have been recent posts on the accuracy of Flyer steam, here is an opportunity to read about a diesel and its heritage. Also included is a large picture of the engine. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48355	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun questions and a thread start

With the tops off & some wood planking they make great little coal cars. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48356	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

As to the Cabooses (Cabeese?), in addition to the breakup of the starter sets, it was the only car contained in every freight set. With the three car starter freight sets, the other two cars could be hoppers, gondolas, reefers, box cars, tank cars, flat cars, but every one had that caboose. Also, I will bet that at least some of kids who got the cheapie caboose with their set went out and bought a lighted version at some later time, thus swelling the caboose population. As to the worst thing I ever did to Flyer that would have to be disassembling a Silver Bullet locomotive to use as a smoke generator on the HO I had gotten into in my early teen years, now almost 50 years ago. I pulled off the drivers, removed the axel gear and had a stationary steam plant. Fortunately I kept the parts and with the purchase of a few driver tires, whitewalls and axels, I was able to repair the damage and that locomotive is running again. All that is needed now is to rechrome it. Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48357	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun questions and a thread start

Has anyone given thought to replacing passenger cars with a whole line of cabeeses? Hummmmmmm? Could be a cool thing. Or not. anormal1@... wrote: With the tops off & some wood planking they make great little coal cars. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48358	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

This is no doubt a dumb question, but how does one go about rechroming plastic? Just curious. Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: As to the Cabooses (Cabeese?), in addition to the breakup of the starter sets, it was the only car contained in every freight set. With the three car starter freight sets, the other two cars could be hoppers, gondolas, reefers, box cars, tank cars, flat cars, but every one had that caboose. Also, I will bet that at least some of kids who got the cheapie caboose with their set went out and bought a lighted version at some later time, thus swelling the caboose population. As to the worst thing I ever did to Flyer that would have to be disassembling a Silver Bullet locomotive to use as a smoke generator on the HO I had gotten into in my early teen years, now almost 50 years ago. I pulled off the drivers, removed the axel gear and had a stationary steam plant. Fortunately I kept the parts and with the purchase of a few driver tires, whitewalls and axels, I was able to repair the damage and that locomotive is running again. All that is needed now is to rechrome it. Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48359	From: Firewood	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Locomotive sound missing something?

I have no first-hand experience of model sound systems, but going by 'net videos, it seems to me something is missing. My memories of steam locos are from near the end of their era, so maybe this wasn't so common when they weren't being put out to pasture, BUT....where's the CLANK? To wit, I offer as evidence the following link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7piK9dbUHeA Anyway, where would rock'n'roll music be without that distinctive sound of slightly run down rod journals slapping around? Just listen to some early Chuck Berry and you will hear what I mean....to wit, Johnny B. Goode: "He used to carry his guitar in a gunny sack Go sit beneath the tree by the railroad track Oh, the engineers would see him sitting in the shade Strumming with the rhythm that the drivers made" Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48360	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of VINTAGE

ANTIQUE is at least 25 years old.? So much for the train collectors LOL? Tom -----Original Message----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 5:37 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Definition of VINTAGE Right off the bat, VINTAGE in reference to wine refers to the time of the gathering of the grapes used to produce the wine. But enough about that and on to everything else. Vintage: the class of a dated object with reference to era of production or use. So we have AF post-war vintage, AF pre-war vintage, AFL 1960s vintage and on and on and on we go. A 2007 Lionel AF Mikado could be refered to as 2007 vintage. One could even refer the a vintage 2005 SHS billboard reefer for example. Common usage would make one think vintage refers to something OLD, but no so. Now who wants to take a stab at vintage versus classic versus antique?? BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48361	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of VINTAGE

Actually the term "vintage" as used on eBay these days (and probably in junquetique shops), owes everything to the Nostalgia Factor. You will find it is actually being applied to items from the mid 1950's to 1970's, which is where the factor is being said to now apply. In other words when the succesful person in his 50's was a teenager. The word Vintage is thus quite consistent as the generation now trying to recapture the best of their teenage years thinks of them as being their golden years- the best in their life and hence "vintage". Alistair--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Right off the bat, VINTAGE in reference to wine refers to the time of > the gathering of the grapes used to produce the wine. But enough about > that and on to everything else. > > Vintage: the class of a dated object with reference to era of > production or use. > > So we have AF post-war vintage, AF pre-war vintage, AFL 1960s vintage > and on and on and on we go. A 2007 Lionel AF Mikado could be refered > to as 2007 vintage. One could even refer the a vintage 2005 SHS > billboard reefer for example. Common usage would make one think > vintage refers to something OLD, but no so. > > Now who wants to take a stab at vintage versus classic versus antique?? > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48362	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun questions and a thread start

Like this! http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/boxcabs/juicejacks1crpadj.jpg.html Units will be numbered 806-A & 806-B. Powered by dismembered AF GP-7 with SnS can motor. (will that qualify as a AF atrosity?) Here is a baby box cab (#403?) bashed from caboose ends on a Baldwin powertruck. http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/boxcabs/Boxcab.jpg.html Next caboose bash project is to use the end of a caboose as the cab for my AHD wannabe log loader (film at 10). ENJOY! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Fun questions and a thread start How bout bash butchering some sort of box cab electric from two of them there flying "cabeeses". As I mentioned to someone the other day, some body has to do their part in population control. Just too many of them durn things around. gene Recent Activity a.. 4New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Yahoo! Groups Cat Zone Connect w/ others who love cats. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48363	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

To rechrome the engine you'll need Alclad II chrome lacquer. It is available in spray cans if you don't have an airbrush. Seal the shell with a good automotive primer first like Plastikote. You must then apply a gloss black base coat and the the Alclad. Works great, I have used it to rechrome model car parts with no problems. Bob michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: This is no doubt a dumb question, but how does one go about rechroming plastic? Just curious. Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: As to the Cabooses (Cabeese?), in addition to the breakup of the starter sets, it was the only car contained in every freight set. With the three car starter freight sets, the other two cars could be hoppers, gondolas, reefers, box cars, tank cars, flat cars, but every one had that caboose. Also, I will bet that at least some of kids who got the cheapie caboose with their set went out and bought a lighted version at some later time, thus swelling the caboose population. As to the worst thing I ever did to Flyer that would have to be disassembling a Silver Bullet locomotive to use as a smoke generator on the HO I had gotten into in my early teen years, now almost 50 years ago. I pulled off the drivers, removed the axel gear and had a stationary steam plant. Fortunately I kept the parts and with the purchase of a few driver tires, whitewalls and axels, I was able to repair the damage and that locomotive is running again. All that is needed now is to rechrome it. Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48364	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Locomotive sound missing something?

Actually the clank was not a feature of steam at its Zenith, apart from the odd old loco used as a yard switcher. The sound comes from excessive clearance in the rod bearings on the wheels and was a result of lax maintenace in the final years of steam, or attempts to get the most out of locos before they were junked. No self respecting shop would have let a loco out on the lines on a major railroad with those clearances when steam was King. Alistair --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Firewood" <fahrwud@...> wrote: > > I have no first-hand experience of model sound systems, but going > by 'net videos, it seems to me something is missing. > My memories of steam locos are from near the end of their era, so > maybe this wasn't so common when they weren't being put out to > pasture, BUT....where's the CLANK? > To wit, I offer as evidence the following link: > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48365	From: michael prell	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

Before the PETA People go getting mad at me, just remember two things about what I'm about to write; one, I was a youngster and two, I really do like cats, however....... When i was a kid at Christmas my Dad always made sure that my trains were set up in the living room beside our tree. And our cat named Sandy always made sure that he'd park his caboose on the board under the trees limbs and on the tracks. After many times of moving the furball off I gave up being nice. Yup. My Royal Blue became a cat extractor! Worked great! Sandy thought long and hard before trying that again. Then there was pETE, tHE pARAKEET, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: This is no doubt a dumb question, but how does one go about rechroming plastic? Just curious. Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: As to the Cabooses (Cabeese?), in addition to the breakup of the starter sets, it was the only car contained in every freight set. With the three car starter freight sets, the other two cars could be hoppers, gondolas, reefers, box cars, tank cars, flat cars, but every one had that caboose. Also, I will bet that at least some of kids who got the cheapie caboose with their set went out and bought a lighted version at some later time, thus swelling the caboose population. As to the worst thing I ever did to Flyer that would have to be disassembling a Silver Bullet locomotive to use as a smoke generator on the HO I had gotten into in my early teen years, now almost 50 years ago. I pulled off the drivers, removed the axel gear and had a stationary steam plant. Fortunately I kept the parts and with the purchase of a few driver tires, whitewalls and axels, I was able to repair the damage and that locomotive is running again. All that is needed now is to rechrome it. Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48366	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

Worst thing I ever did to a Flyer piece? At the age of 12 I repainted my 302AC to make it look more prototypical. Gloss Testors black and NYC decals on the tender. It survived several nephew's handling while I was in Vietnam and has recently been returned to me by my brother. Still runs great after a reverse unit and motor tune up! I think I'll leave it just as it is. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48367	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Calendar update

The SPRING RCTHS Show is this Sunday at the Leesport Famers Mkt, just north of Leesport on PA Rt 61. Show opens 9 AM, $4 Admission at door, probably still tables available, contact _dalem1955@..._ (mailto:dalem1955@...) YORK TCA event is of course April 17-19 MEMBERS ONLY, good time to consider joinng if not a member. TCA's NTTM will be 10 AM to 6 PM Wednesday April 16th, displays in the Main Museum plus Mike Wolf and Lionel in the Lobby in the afternoon. "Bandit" Shows (NON-TCA) will be held at the Holidome, Springettsbury Fire Hall, Reliance Fire Hall, and Best Western Motel (possibly other venues as well), before TCA's show. Future dates-- June, July, September "Ralph's" HAMBURG Dutch Train Meets, more later. Gilbertsville Meet--September 21 RCTHS Fall Meet--October 5th, Leesport Keystone Div, TCA, Annual Christmas Meet--Nov 15th at St Philips in Millersville Jim Lyle **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48368	From: michael prell	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

I thank you, Sir. It sounds like something I can handle. robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: To rechrome the engine you'll need Alclad II chrome lacquer. It is available in spray cans if you don't have an airbrush. Seal the shell with a good automotive primer first like Plastikote. You must then apply a gloss black base coat and the the Alclad. Works great, I have used it to rechrome model car parts with no problems. Bob michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: This is no doubt a dumb question, but how does one go about rechroming plastic? Just curious. Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: As to the Cabooses (Cabeese?), in addition to the breakup of the starter sets, it was the only car contained in every freight set. With the three car starter freight sets, the other two cars could be hoppers, gondolas, reefers, box cars, tank cars, flat cars, but every one had that caboose. Also, I will bet that at least some of kids who got the cheapie caboose with their set went out and bought a lighted version at some later time, thus swelling the caboose population. As to the worst thing I ever did to Flyer that would have to be disassembling a Silver Bullet locomotive to use as a smoke generator on the HO I had gotten into in my early teen years, now almost 50 years ago. I pulled off the drivers, removed the axel gear and had a stationary steam plant. Fortunately I kept the parts and with the purchase of a few driver tires, whitewalls and axels, I was able to repair the damage and that locomotive is running again. All that is needed now is to rechrome it. Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48369	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: (no subject)

Well said Gerald. I have gained so much knowledge from this group that it is almost unbelievable. I have enjoyed the stories of the mishaps, makes me feel as if I am not the only one to have messed up. I also agree that when the subject gets a bit off track, I know how to use the delete button. Keep the stories and advice going.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48370	From: william cole	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Locomotive sound missing something?

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48371	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

I had this done. A train friend when I lived in LA was in the business of precision mirrors for aerospace applications. Got to talking about how the mirroring was applied and we wondered if a shell could be rechromed. I volunteered a silver bullet shell with blown out chassis mounting posts for the experiment. Cleaned it and removed the remains of the decals and handed it over. He took the shell to the folks that did the mirrors for him, explained what he wanted and a couple of weeks later I got the shell back. Restoration decals and it looks spectacular. When I find it I will post photos. It can be done. Takes some place that can do plastics plating. Most major metropolitan areas have one, but they are not consumer oriented places and without a large order or a regular industrial customer to get a favor done, my guess is that it would be expensive. Maybe if one of us finds the place, then gathers up a bunch of shells from the group we can get a "quantity" discount. I am guessing that the coating process is different today as OSHA and chemistry have progressed since the early '50's. The redone silver bullet next to an original is shinier and has a blueish cast compared to a yellowish cast on the original. Or maybe the original has yellowed with age. Replate was done in the late '80's and shows no signs of age problems. Maybe someone in the group knows more chemistry and can explain the actual process. Bill Drake Mostly an electronicker in Central Virginia PS. I have lost touch with the friendly mirror guy. --- michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > This is no doubt a dumb question, but how does one > go about rechroming plastic? Just curious. > > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > > As to the Cabooses (Cabeese?), in addition to the > breakup of the starter > sets, it was the only car contained in every freight > set. With the > three car starter freight sets, the other two cars > could be hoppers, > gondolas, reefers, box cars, tank cars, flat cars, > but every one had > that caboose. Also, I will bet that at least some of > kids who got the > cheapie caboose with their set went out and bought a > lighted version at > some later time, thus swelling the caboose > population. > > As to the worst thing I ever did to Flyer that would > have to be > disassembling a Silver Bullet locomotive to use as a > smoke generator on > the HO I had gotten into in my early teen years, now > almost 50 years > ago. I pulled off the drivers, removed the axel gear > and had a > stationary steam plant. Fortunately I kept the parts > and with the > purchase of a few driver tires, whitewalls and > axels, I was able to > repair the damage and that locomotive is running > again. All that is > needed now is to rechrome it. > > Dale Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one > month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48372	From: G C	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun questions and a thread start

Great Don, but from where did you scarf the top side deer antlers? Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48373	From: John Degnan	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of VINTAGE

I was under the impression that antique meant 20 years old (as opposed to 25)... or at least that's how it applies to automobiles... isn't it? John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <tomminil@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Definition of VINTAGE > ANTIQUE is at least 25 years old.? So much for the train collectors LOL? Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48374	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

My Atlantic still has the C & O decals on it too...... Bob -------------- Original message from donabrams@...: -------------- Worst thing I ever did to a Flyer piece? At the age of 12 I repainted my 302AC to make it look more prototypical. Gloss Testors black and NYC decals on the tender. It survived several nephew's handling while I was in Vietnam and has recently been returned to me by my brother. Still runs great after a reverse unit and motor tune up! I think I'll leave it just as it is. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48375	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Calendar update

JIM...... Has BARB posted a list of where and when we all meet for DINNERS each night..... Can't reach her.... Bob -------------- Original message from WJJIM@...: -------------- The SPRING RCTHS Show is this Sunday at the Leesport Famers Mkt, just north of Leesport on PA Rt 61. Show opens 9 AM, $4 Admission at door, probably still tables available, contact _dalem1955@..._ (mailto:dalem1955@...) YORK TCA event is of course April 17-19 MEMBERS ONLY, good time to consider joinng if not a member. TCA's NTTM will be 10 AM to 6 PM Wednesday April 16th, displays in the Main Museum plus Mike Wolf and Lionel in the Lobby in the afternoon. "Bandit" Shows (NON-TCA) will be held at the Holidome, Springettsbury Fire Hall, Reliance Fire Hall, and Best Western Motel (possibly other venues as well), before TCA's show. Future dates-- June, July, September "Ralph's" HAMBURG Dutch Train Meets, more later. Gilbertsville Meet--September 21 RCTHS Fall Meet--October 5th, Leesport Keystone Div, TCA, Annual Christmas Meet--Nov 15th at St Philips in Millersville Jim Lyle **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48376	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of VINTAGE - Not Train related

John, I mentioned ANTIQUE because it's definition is as vague as the definition of VINTAGE. In the deep south the following is the minimum vehicle age to qualify for an ANTIQUE automobile licence plate: Georgia: 25 years South Carolina: 25 years Arkansas: 25 years Texas: 25 years Mississippi: 25 years Tennessee: 25 years Alabama: 30 years Florida: 30 years North Carolina: 35 years In most cases the cars must be "close to original" and the ANTIQUE licence only allows the vehicle's use in parades, shows or other events - definitely not daily driving. Your state's laws may vary - lol! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > I was under the impression that antique meant 20 years old (as opposed to 25)... or at least that's how it applies to automobiles... isn't it? > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <tomminil@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Definition of VINTAGE > > > > ANTIQUE is at least 25 years old.? So much for the train collectors LOL? Tom > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48377	From: toytrainjunkie	Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Putt Trains

Any idea if Terry Putt Trains is still in business ???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48378	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

What has slowed me down in getting this done is making up my mind as to what I want, chrome or satin. I know the 356, which this is, came in both chrome and satin silver versions. My engine was originally chrome, but came with satin silver cars. Probably a close out set, as I bought it later than 1953 in Merrill's Drug Store at 4th and Market in San Francisco. I will never forget the "oval" they had it set up on made of only curved track with a lot of "S" curves. Mike in Oregon suggested the service provided by Doug at Portlines and I am sure that is different than the painting procedure shown below, maybe more like the flash plating originally used. Whatever I do, I want the cars and the engine to match, but the chrome coating on all the chrome cars I have seen looks to me to be kind of thick looking and not what I would really want. I am also pretty sure I am looking at the original chroming as the ones I have seen are not perfect. Dale Smith robert hendrickson wrote: > > To rechrome the engine you'll need Alclad II chrome lacquer. It is > available in spray cans if you don't have an airbrush. Seal the shell > with a good automotive primer first like Plastikote. You must then > apply a gloss black base coat and the the Alclad. Works great, I have > used it to rechrome model car parts with no problems. Bob > > michael prell <mlprell@... <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > This is no doubt a dumb question, but how does one go about rechroming > plastic? Just curious. > > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@... > <mailto:dfsmith26%40sbcglobal.net>> wrote: > > > > ... was able to > repair the damage and that locomotive is running again. All that is > needed now is to rechrome it. > > Dale Smith > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48379	From: michael prell	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of VINTAGE

Regarding autos, I think it's 25. My old girl, an 1984 944 Porscha has one more year to go before I can get New York antique plates. John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: I was under the impression that antique meant 20 years old (as opposed to 25)... or at least that's how it applies to automobiles... isn't it? John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <tomminil@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Definition of VINTAGE > ANTIQUE is at least 25 years old.? So much for the train collectors LOL? Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48380	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fun questions and a thread start

CG, They came out of a box of RR stuff given to my wife years ago because I played with trains. It was mostly old, cheap Euro style HO stuff and a couple of the early GG1 models (AHM??) - can't remember which junker the antlers came off of - I've slept since then? Anyway being a VGN Rwy fan, I'm always looking for them - from any source that is usable - can't afford the AF versions! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Fun questions and a thread start Great Don, but from where did you scarf the top side deer antlers? Gene Cimino Recent Activity a.. 6New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. Dog Fanatics on Yahoo! Groups Find people who are crazy about dogs. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48381	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of Vintage

Here in Ohio, a vehicle has to be 25 years old, and used only for parades, shows etc. The only other time you can drive it is to take it for repairs or cruising for pleasure. As one guy in our car club found out, you sure don't want to be caught driving it daily! You also must display the plates on the front and rear bumpers as well, no single rear plates in Ohio! While the origional intent was for "Historic Vehicle" license plates to be used only on restored, origional cars and trucks, the law was ammended years ago to allow hot rods to use them as well if they were over 25. However, the modified cars get a lot more scrutiny than the restored cars. We also are allowed to use restored Ohio license plates of the same year as the car and register them as your historic plate numbers. Thr registration is a low, one time fee. If the vehicle is sold, it must be re-registered. West Virginia and Pennsylvania also require that a car be over 25, but otherwise their laws differ somewhat from Ohio's as to usage. Stumpy Stone...old time hot rodder in Eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48382	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: RE-CHROMING A. F. SHELLS

Doug Peck does re-chroming. This AD is from his web site. www.portlines.com RE-CHROMING A. F. SHELLS It is now possible to strip and re-chrome those worn American Flyer plastic and metal shells ! You can even chrome-plate an item that was not previously plated, such as a mail car, baggage car, caboose, etc. We are not talking about painting them...... there is no such thing as "chrome paint", no matter what the cap on the top of those spray cans looks like! A spray-can is going to give you silver paint......not a chrome finish. Chroming is a vacuum-plating process. Before we address the preparation requirements, we will make you aware of the cost involved. The fee is $55 per shell for the first two shells, and $50 per shell for any additional shells submitted at the same time.. This includes stripping your original shell, mounting it for the plating procedure, vacuum-plating it, and return-shipping to you. Turn-around time varies, but expect six weeks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48383	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: A Lionel Rheostat

For those who are still curious about a Lionel rheostat, there is a pic of one in use with a Lionel B stepped-volt transformer on my 360 page-go to druvnik in the 360 home, or: www.flicker.com/photos/druvnik/. The bit of cloth insulated wire is about 100 yr. old from an Ives set. There are some cool ways to use rheostats on a modern layout, like independent speed control on an insulated siding-John Marganski --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48384	From: Chris	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: New Badge for York

Hi everyone. I haven't posted for awhile. Life has been going in other directions lately. I just posted a new badge for everyone on this list who is going to the York extravaganza. You can find it at: http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy/York_S_Badge0408.jpg If you print it and cut it out, it will fit into the regular badge holders we all have dozens of. See you there. Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48385	From: ekaplan707	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack

I purchased the PRR 4 pack and 2 pack heavyweight passenger car sets. According to the Lionel catalog the 2 pack is supposed to come with a baggage car and either a sleeper or coach. Instead of the sleeper or coach my 2 pack came with a George Washington Diner. This makes no sense since the 4 pack comes with a Salmon & Chase Diner. Who needs two diners in a 6 car train. Does anyone else have this situation and does anyone know why this happened. Thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48386	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fun Questions and a Thread Start

Dale, As Robert has already posted the Alclad II lacquer chrome makes for a very good looking finish. It does not have that heavy build-up look you referenced. I am getting ready to repaint a set of 960 series passenger cars using it. Applying a coat of Future floor wax over it and you have a very hard durable finish that should last. Good Luck, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: dfsmith26@...: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:55:52 -0700Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fun Questions and a Thread Start What has slowed me down in getting this done is making up my mind as to what I want, chrome or satin. I know the 356, which this is, came in both chrome and satin silver versions. My engine was originally chrome, but came with satin silver cars. Probably a close out set, as I bought it later than 1953 in Merrill's Drug Store at 4th and Market in San Francisco. I will never forget the "oval" they had it set up on made of only curved track with a lot of "S" curves. Mike in Oregon suggested the service provided by Doug at Portlines and I am sure that is different than the painting procedure shown below, maybe more like the flash plating originally used. Whatever I do, I want the cars and the engine to match, but the chrome coating on all the chrome cars I have seen looks to me to be kind of thick looking and not what I would really want. I am also pretty sure I am looking at the original chroming as the ones I have seen are not perfect.Dale Smithrobert hendrickson wrote:>> To rechrome the engine you'll need Alclad II chrome lacquer. It is > available in spray cans if you don't have an airbrush. Seal the shell > with a good automotive primer first like Plastikote. You must then > apply a gloss black base coat and the the Alclad. Works great, I have > used it to rechrome model car parts with no problems. Bob>> michael prell <mlprell@... <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > This is no doubt a dumb question, but how does one go about rechroming > plastic? Just curious.>> Dale Smith <dfsmith26@... > <mailto:dfsmith26%40sbcglobal.net>> wrote:>>>> ... was able to> repair the damage and that locomotive is running again. All that is> needed now is to rechrome it.>> Dale Smith>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48387	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Definition of VINTAGE

michael prell wrote: > > > Regarding autos, I think it's 25. My old girl, an 1984 944 Porscha has > one more year to go before I can get New York antique plates. > While I could get historic plates on my 70 Jaguar XK-E (e-type), I chose to go with personalized plates (70ETYPE). We don't have a category called antique plates in Arizona. Apparently historic plates have no limitations of usage in Arizona. George Cohn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``` Note From moderator (Carl).. This thread seems to be dragging on a bit to far and has gotten pretty off topic. OK..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48388	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack

It does not make sense to me except that someone at Lionel does not know passenger cars. I think I recall that both dining cars are sublettered as PULLMANs. And passengers are in the kitchen area of the dining cars. Both of these points have been mentioned before on this list. The promotional information on these sets was limited and confusing, to the best of my recollection. The Alton Limited and UP sets listed a dining car in the 4 packs. But I don't think the newer sets do. You might think you were getting a coach and Pullman with the observation and combine. And you might think you were getting a baggage car and Pullman in the 2 pack. Maybe the major mistake was that a dining car was decorated for the 2 pack instead of a coach. I wonder if Flyonel ever gets feedback on these things? Despite these mysteries, I think the Pennsy set looks very nice. The graphics are well done. I too wish they had just included one correctly designed dining car, not two incorrectly designed ones. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 4/3/2008 1:15:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ekaplan@... writes: I purchased the PRR 4 pack and 2 pack heavyweight passenger car sets. According to the Lionel catalog the 2 pack is supposed to come with a baggage car and either a sleeper or coach. Instead of the sleeper or coach my 2 pack came with a George Washington Diner. This makes no sense since the 4 pack comes with a Salmon & Chase Diner. Who needs two diners in a 6 car train. Does anyone else have this situation and does anyone know why this happened. Thank you. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48389	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Chroming

Our chroming includes the appropriate stripping method (that's important!), and is a flash-chroming process. MANY satisfied customers! Roughly 4-week turn-around. Our price includes return shipping as well. Only catch......I can't get my rate until I have at least 4 shells at a time....but that normally doesn't take long. We have shells in process almost constantly! For details, check the "AF Repair Clinics" on our website. <<<<Mike in Oregon suggested the service provided by Doug at Portlines and I am sure that is different than the painting procedure shown below, maybe more like the flash plating originally used.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48390	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack

In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes: It does not make sense to me except that someone at Lionel does not know passenger cars. I think I recall that both dining cars are sublettered as PULLMANs. And passengers are in the kitchen area of the dining cars. WHAT does PULLMAN mean in Chinese--that's the root of the problem. I'll ask the LIONEL boys what goes on at York for you, will report the vague answer, starting with "We didn't realize that was happening". Jim "chuckling on the Keystone Main" Lyle **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48391	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: KBR (Pullman Connection)

Bob, Going back to Vietnam, my Seabee Mtl Hndlg crew packed mtls for RMK-BRJ on the docks in Rhode Island. The "RMK-BRJ" joint venture was established in 1962 consisting of Raymond International, Morrison Knudson, Brown & Root, and JA Jones Construction. ...The "RMK-BRJ" joint venture was established in 1962 consisting of Raymond International, Morrison Knudson, Brown & Root, and JA Jones Construction. ... The feeding frenzy goes on. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48392	From: Barry King	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Reliance and Springettsbury Fire Company April 2008 Train Shows

There has been some questions asked about the above shows. Here are the details. Both shows are April 14, 15, & 16 2008. The Reliance Fire Company is located at 1341 W. Market St. York, Pa. The show opens at 9:00 a.m. and closes at 6:00 p.m. This show is almost all American Flyer. This venue is sold out. Free admission, free off street parking, rain or shine, no steps and food is available. The Springettsbury Fire Company is located at 3013 E. Market St. York, Pa. The show opens at 8:00 a.m. and closes at 5:00 p.m. This show is a mix of American Flyer, Lionel, Marx, & HO. Free admission, free off street parking, rain or shine, no steps and food is available. There are a some tables available at this venue. Both show are located only minutes from RT 30. If there are any questions please contact: Barry King by e-mail KINGKODAK@... or phone 717-424-1308 Fred Jester 1-888-494-5821.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48393	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: York Pa train week April 14 thru 19 2008

Greetings all, I have been asked to inform the list of our upcoming York train shows in April; April 14, 15 & 16 Reliance Fire Hall at the West York Fire Co 1341 West Market St (corner of Carlisle and Market St) Open from 9am-6pm 98% American Flyer and S-gauge trains and parts will be on display here...almost 100 tables Springettsbury Fire Hall 3013 East Market St (Market Street between Mt Zion Rd and Memory Lane on the East side of York) Open from 9am-6pm All makes trains and die-cast toys will be represented here along with Lionel parts...we have more new dealers attending this time. Some table space still available--Contact me at 888-494-5821 for information Don't forget to visit the other shows as well; Holiday Inn West (Holidome)...Loucks Rd near Kenneth on the West side. Best Western...US Rt 30 at Kenneth on the West side. Holiday Inn (Billy Budd) US Rt 30 at Toronita on the East side Regards, and hope to see you there, Fred Jester Fred's Train Parts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48394	From: michael prell	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack

Now if Flyionel was producing their product back in the good old U.S.of A where they belong, it's most likely this sort of crap wouldn't happen! WJJIM@... wrote: In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes: It does not make sense to me except that someone at Lionel does not know passenger cars. I think I recall that both dining cars are sublettered as PULLMANs. And passengers are in the kitchen area of the dining cars. WHAT does PULLMAN mean in Chinese--that's the root of the problem. I'll ask the LIONEL boys what goes on at York for you, will report the vague answer, starting with "We didn't realize that was happening". Jim "chuckling on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48395	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack

I can tell you are going to have a great time in York! And the rest of us may have fun when you report back to us. - Earl Henry In a message dated 4/3/2008 8:10:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: WHAT does PULLMAN mean in Chinese--that'WHAT does PULLMAN mean in Chinese--t the LIONEL boys what goes on at York for you, will report the vague answer, starting with "We didn't realize that was happening". Jim "chuckling on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48396	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: on3 Trucks sale that you can convert to S.

http://www.trainworld.com/ON30%20ACCESSORIES.htm The passenger trucks are medal and convert easily. --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48397	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner on PRR

Dear Jim, Hey, mistakes can and do happen everywhere. The question is not if mistakes happen, but what follows next. Recently S Scale America received their C&NW 53' Evans boxcar. Somehow, the last "N" of NORTHWESTERN was missing. Ron Sebastian picked up on this and checked it against the painted sample (maybe it is different for Lionel, but all of the other clients who use the same builder get painted and lettered samples for each roadname). The builder had made a mistake. Ron send all of the cars back to China for correction (except for the case I begged him to send to us, hey I have seen lots of prototype pictures of cars missing letters from logos). The corrected models will be returned shortly. I suspect that the project manager either did not realize that diners almost all of the time were owned and operated by the railroads and would have the railroad name on the numberboards. This oversight could have been caught when the artwork was submitted, or returned from China for approval or when the painted sample arrived. Or, they were misprinted in China. If that is the case, they can all be returned for correction. Re: 2nd diner on the PRR - The PRR did have tandem diners where one car was the kitchen and the other was the dining room. Robin and I took the Broadway Limited in 1978 to the 2nd S Fest hosted by the CASG. Although now operated by Amtrak, they still used the tandem diner. I asked our waiter if I could get a tour of the kitchen area and they were more than happy to have the head chef give me the tour. He was used to be head chef on the Super Chief and bid on this job. He took me everywhere including the dormitory for the crew. I can still remember the extra thick bread and how much better the French toast tasted when made with cream. Best, Don PS I still have a few of the misprint C&NW Evans cars left if anyone would like one of these soon to be very rare cars.... WJJIM@... wrote: > WHAT does PULLMAN mean in Chinese--that's the root of the problem. > > Jim "chuckling on the Keystone Main" Lyle > > e <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=> > Recent Activity > > * > 5 > New Members > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaDlsbzVvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjA3MjcxNDM2> > > Visit Your Group > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMGF2cG8wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyMDcyNzE0MzY-> > > Yahoo! Finance > > It's Now Personal > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13oc9ccsj/M=493064.12016257.12445664.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1207278636/L=/B=q_xqBULaX9c-/J=1207271436801684/A=4507179/R=0/SIG=12de4rskk/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=50284/*http://finance.yahoo.com/personal-finance> > > Guides, news, > > advice & more. > > Y! Groups blog > > The place to go > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13o7nmmvm/M=493064.12016258.12582637.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1207278636/L=/B=rPxqBULaX9c-/J=1207271436801684/A=5191953/R=0/SIG=112mhte3e/*http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/> > > to stay informed > > on Groups news! > > Yahoo! Groups > > Lawn & Garden > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13oq1l23k/M=493064.12117566.12537396.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1207278636/L=/B=rfxqBULaX9c-/J=1207271436801684/A=5170415/R=0/SIG=11btjb8oo/*http://new.groups.yahoo.com/craftsmanlawn> > > ideas and tips > > for a green thumb. > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48398	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack

I agree! What a novel idea - actually support Americans by building stuff in the USA! -------------- Original message -------------- From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Now if Flyionel was producing their product back in the good old U.S.of A where they belong, it's most likely this sort of crap wouldn't happen! WJJIM@... wrote: In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes: It does not make sense to me except that someone at Lionel does not know passenger cars. I think I recall that both dining cars are sublettered as PULLMANs. And passengers are in the kitchen area of the dining cars. WHAT does PULLMAN mean in Chinese--that's the root of the problem. I'll ask the LIONEL boys what goes on at York for you, will report the vague answer, starting with "We didn't realize that was happening". Jim "chuckling on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48399	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Great Northern Electric Question

Gentlemen: I was taking out some of my EP-5 model engines from their boxes and I noticed that the Lionel Great Western EP-5 body was about an inch longer than the older original AF New Haven engine e.g. 499/21573. I was wondering why and if the 48010 Milwaukee Road EP-5 was the same length along with the new Lionel 48075 New Haven. Anyone have any thoughts Regards, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48400	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack

In a message dated 4/4/2008 1:09:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlprell@... writes: Now if Flyionel was producing their product back in the good old U.S.of A where they belong, it's most likely this sort of crap wouldn't happen! The UNFORTUNATE thing about that is all the "D"'s a company has to deal with so that bureaucrats have rewarding jobs. The government started to give our jobs away in the sixities, now they drive them away with over-regulation. Friend of mine got a calll from an IMPORTANT PA Dept looking to meet with him on the economy. He suggested they could save a lot of time IF she wrote down "TAXES and REGULATIONS", that ended the conversation, she hung up. Jim "sad on the Keystone Main" Lyle **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48401	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Why a Second Diner in PRR Heavyweight 2 Pack

In a message dated 4/4/2008 1:09:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes: I can tell you are going to have a great time in York! And the rest of us may have fun when you report back to us. - Earl Henry HOPE to start the daily reports Sunday PM. Jim Lyle **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48402	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: New stuff from SnS

Check out our latest offer on our web site. Click on the "Specials" album. Clicking on each photo brings on the next page. Steve, S-'n-S Trains 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 http://www.sns-trains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48403	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Replacing those blue headlights in diesels ?

How should one go about replacing the blue headlights in the American Models E8s. I thought I could just unscrew the bulb and replace it with another one until I removed a shell. For lack of the correct terminology, the headlight appears to be hardwired. I know this topic has come up previously but I cannot find it. - Earl Henry, Nashville **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48404	From: mikenguy9	Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: link couplers rep;lacement

How is it done. my poroblem as I see it is how doy you remove and replace the pin which holds the link coupler.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48405	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: link couplers replacement - my approach

Removing the link coupler pin can be done by either: (1) place the head of the pin in a socket slightly larger than the pin, place the socket on a solid surfase and drive the pin into the socket with a hammer. Easy does it and the pin will finally pop through. (2) using a pair of pliers squeeze between the tip of the pin and the metal the pin passes through. You will need to rotate around the pin squeezing in several places until the pin pops through. This may bend the metal. If so you will need to straigthen it. I prefer method (1). Installing the new pin requires a special riveting tool that will spread the flange on the pin. You can get the tool form our group parts suppliers. Just pass the new pin through the metal on the truck then set the pin head on a solid support. Slide the riveting tool over the pin and hammer away until the flange is pressed over the metal. Be prepared to throw several small tantrums and maybe even a major tantrum as this is not anywhere near as easy as it sounds - I speak from experience! Maybe some one has a better method or some kind of jig to make this easier? If so please post your method. Good luck! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mikenguy9" <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > > How is it done. my poroblem as I see it is > how doy you remove and replace the pin which holds > the link coupler. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48406	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing those blue headlights in diesels ?

Earl; imho, depends on if you want it to be "pristine" as it came out of the box. If yes, call Ron at AM, chances are I'd guess in the 90%+ range that he can provide a direct replacement. If you don't care, then substitute with what ever lighting arrangement floats your boat. The lights are hardwired, and you deal with them with some wire cutters and a soldering iron. Let er RIP! My E8 is so far from out of box condition, it's mama wouldn't recognize it. First thing that went was the lights. At this stage in it's life, it is under DCC control with LokSound, and it's sporting some really neat 12v low MA bulbs that can be driven directly from the decoder with no worries about resistors or all that other headache. cheers phil d --- bashin and trashin in texas, yippeeee --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > How should one go about replacing the blue headlights in the American Models > E8s. I thought I could just unscrew the bulb and replace it with another > one until I removed a shell. For lack of the correct terminology, the > headlight appears to be hardwired. I know this topic has come up previously but I > cannot find it. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states? ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48407	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/6/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 6, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48408	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing those blue headlights in diesels ?

Thanks for all the messages received. Phil one of your comments really hits the mark and makes me a little embarrassed I ever put the question out. When the person who is installing the DCC decoders for me found out I was asking about how to change out the blue light, he said don't worry, that he would take care of that when the decoders were installed. One of these days on a DC version, I may need to utilize one of your other suggestions which is to cut out the blue LED and attach a yellow/white light with the use of a soldering iron. But for my current project, this is resolved. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to finding solutions to the blue lights. I hope it has benefited several members besides me. - Earl Henry, Jr., Nashville, TN In a message dated 4/5/2008 3:51:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, pndunlop@... writes: Earl; imho, depends on if you want it to be "pristine" as it came out of the box. If yes, call Ron at AM, chances are I'd guess in the 90%+ range that he can provide a direct replacement. If you don't care, then substitute with what ever lighting arrangement floats your boat. The lights are hardwired, and you deal with them with some wire cutters and a soldering iron. Let er RIP! My E8 is so far from out of box condition, it's mama wouldn't recognize it. First thing that went was the lights. At this stage in it's life, it is under DCC control with LokSound, and it's sporting some really neat 12v low MA bulbs that can be driven directly from the decoder with no worries about resistors or all that other headache. cheers phil d --- bashin and trashin in texas, yippeeee **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48409	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: link couplers rep;lacement

Just carefully pound that sucker out with a small hammer. Actually, I try to find a small piece of pipe with enough ID to fit the wide part of the pin into. I rest the car on the truck surrounding the pin, large part centered in the opening of the pipe, and tap until it comes out. Depending on how well it is in there, it could bend, or get blown-out by the hammer taps. I have been able to reuse several, and lost some. Use a link coupler tool to install new link. BTW, I have had trouble with some of the repro pins being too big in circumference to fit comfortable in a repro link tool. I usually have to spin the pin to get some of the excess chrome off and then it will spin freely. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48410	From: Jim Marski	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: RE-CHROMING A. F. SHELLS

I can attest to the excellent quality of the rechroming service Doug offers- it is far above the results of any paint process. Jim --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48411	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Franklin Remake

I have posted some photos in the Gallery of my Franklin under "Carlton's pics". Thank you for your patience, Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48412	From: Terry Putt	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Putt Trains

ttjunkie and group, Yes I'm still in business. My available products are llimited to Trolleys, Diesels and Rex Locomotive parts. The Rex locomotives are not available at this time because I am out of stock of some parts. They will be available again late this year. I am working on producing a few new products (see below). Website will be back up later this year. RTR flat car and low side gondola Elevated gate tower plastic kit Small town train station kit in plastic New Trolley roadnames Bump reverse Trolley Terry Putt puttrain@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48413	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/6/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48414	From: Glenn	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: M2 CARS

For my 67th birthday on Friday my wife, Lin, gave me a great gift, a box of 1/64 scale cars for my train layout. These are very accurate and detailed scale models. You can get them at Scenery Unlimited or http://dcastalley.stores.yahoo.net/m2mabor.html A 1951 Ford was mother's. http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dcastalley_1994_24326002 A 1955 Pontiac was my Grandparent's. http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dcastalley_1994_26572893 A 1954 Chevrolet was my Aunt Eleanor Ritter Youman's http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dcastalley_1994_24493231 A 1953 Oldsmobile was my Uncle Bill Ritter's. http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dcastalley_1994_24408667 A 1954 Mercury was my dream car that year. http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dcastalley_1994_26181475 Also included was a 57 Ford. http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dcastalley_1994_26983693 Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48415	From: Charles Voss	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route has begun

If any readers are interested in building a cieling (wall mounted layout) I would be happy to put in my two bits. I built one 10 years ago for my O scale trains and have since made several improvements. I now run 4 lines with two trains per line (8 trains), using blocks in a 12 X 12 foot den. They are easy to build once you know how. Mine also contains lots of scenery, including operating accessories, 190 feet of track and does not take up one inch of floor space. And oh yea, you can't see the "funny looking" middle rail. 8-) Chuck Voss Chiconian1@... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > All the recent talk about the Hell Gate bridge has been motivational. > I am envious as always wanted one in any color. But I have no place > to put one until the kids are off to college (but that's another story) > > In fact I have nowhere to put a layout except around the ceiling of > the rec. room, so that will have to be good enough for a few years. > Building modules on the bench to hang along the perimeter of the room > should be relatively easy if maybe a little different. I'll miss out > on having elevation changes, scenery and places for the trains to > disappear/reappear (except where they go behind the bar) but I will > have a 85' double track main with 3 passing sidings. A place to run > AF without fears of it being trampled! > > The biggest obstacle I had to overcome was a 7' mantel that needed to > be crossed. So we started by building a bridge to cross it. Like I > said, I always wanted a Hell Gate but for a ceiling layout it needed > to be a deck bridge. Imagining what the Hell Gate would look like as > a deco deck bridge I came up with this design. > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/821d > > It's no Hell Gate but it works for me, works with the room and best of > all, it's a start! > > Regards, > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48416	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Express refer cars where longer and used different trucks.

With all the new steam engines I thought the ON3http://trainworld.com/ON30%20ACCESSORIES.htm passenger trucks would work for this car. So if you guys agree I think Don of S Gaugian still sells an Express refer kit. If not who does? I guess this car would be easy to make from scratch? Jim S --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48417	From: boblines51	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: How many cars can it pull

The club I belong to tried a little test we took a new out of the box American Models Northern and an Lionel AF Northern to how many cars they would pull.We took the American Models first and had 143 american models cars pulling behind it.The engine was 1 inch behind the caboose and running at 3/4 throtle.We put the Lionel engine on and it pulled it but at full throtle. It only went about 5 laps when the engine starting going so slow we thought it might burn up.Put the American Models and run it for over and houl and did not show signs of slowing down.We would have put more cars on it but were out of track. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48418	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it"

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/941561 --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48419	From: John Degnan	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: M2 CARS

Glenn, I posted about these a short time back. Have you had a chance to put them under the microscope (or a caliper) yet to check their accuracy? I'd like to know how good these really are... if they're even half as good as they liik in their pictures. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn" <gartrain404@...> To: "A/S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] M2 CARS > For my 67th birthday on Friday > my wife, Lin, gave me a great gift, > a box of 1/64 scale cars for my > train layout. These are very accurate > and detailed scale models. > You can get them at Scenery Unlimited or > http://dcastalley.stores.yahoo.net/m2mabor.html > A 1951 Ford was mother's. > http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dcastalley_1994_24326002 > A 1955 Pontiac was my Grandparent's. > http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dcastalley_1994_26572893 > A 1954 Chevrolet was my Aunt Eleanor Ritter Youman's > http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dcastalley_1994_24493231 > A 1953 Oldsmobile was my Uncle Bill Ritter's. > http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dcastalley_1994_24408667 > A 1954 Mercury was my dream car that year. > http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dcastalley_1994_26181475 > Also included was a 57 Ford. > http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/dcastalley_1994_26983693 > > Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48420	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: M2 CARS

John -- I got mine a few days ago, and in general they seem to be quite good. The '54 Chevy loooked a bit fat compared to the others, but proportions were good. They all seem to be of the same wheelbase -- how true to prototype this is, I don't know. My personal first impression is that they are certainly good enough, but not quite as good as the best of the Racing Champ cars. Why I feel that way is not something I can't put a finger on... Have fun! Bill Winans Have you had a chance to put them under the microscope (or a caliper) yet to check their accuracy? I'd like to know how good these really are... if they're even half as good as they look in their pictures. John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48421	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: link couplers rep;lacement

After trying to find some tubing stout enough to pound on to use for this process, I found I could get rolled steel pins about 2 inches long in various diameters from about 1/8 in. up to 3/8 in. They are just a few cents a piece and have come in handy for other applications as well. I found mine at Lowes in their small hardware section. It's a pin normally used to pass through something like a pulley and shaft to keep the pulley on the shaft. I'm sure there's a correct term for them but I can't recall it . Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ben and Lynn Stiles" <lbstiles@...> Just carefully pound that sucker out with a small hammer. Actually, I try to find a small piece of pipe with enough ID to fit the wide part of the pin into. I rest the car on the truck surrounding the pin, large part centered in the opening of the pipe, and tap until it comes out. Depending on how well it is in there, it could bend, or get blown-out by the hammer taps. I have been able to reuse several, and lost some. Use a link coupler tool to install new link. BTW, I have had trouble with some of the repro pins being too big in circumference to fit comfortable in a repro link tool. I usually have to spin the pin to get some of the excess chrome off and then it will spin freely. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48422	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it"

Wow! Great video. I wonder why the great American work force could produce them then, but now we're considered too expensive and/or too lazy. Maybe those jobs went overseas because our women wanted to wear scarves and an apron??? NOT!! And we wonder why our economy is in the dumpster! Jim -------------- Original message -------------- From: JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> http://video.yahoo.com/watch/941561 --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48423	From: Glenn	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: M2 CARS

Hi John, I gave your post to my wife for a birthday idea. These cars are more detailed and accurate than the Racing Champion Mint series. They are roughly 17' long and 6'-6" wide in 3/16" scale. I don't have specs handy for the actual cars. Even the dashboards are detailed. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: John Degnan To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] M2 CARS Glenn, I posted about these a short time back. Have you had a chance to put them under the microscope (or a caliper) yet to check their accuracy? I'd like to know how good these really are... if they're even half as good as they liik in their pictures. John Degnan Scaler164@... . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48424	From: michael prell	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it"

James! That was great fun seeing again after all these years! Thanks! JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> wrote: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/941561 --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48425	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Putt Trains

Hi Gang, What's the actual (in 2008) street address of the site of the former Gilbert factory in New Haven? TANX, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48426	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: AF 316 and 342

Has anyone got the exploded view drawings for the 316 K5 and 342 0-8-0 I took mine apart like 2 years ago and now I'm lost-TYIA-John Marganski --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48427	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Erector Square

The Gilbert plant is at 315 Peck Street in New Haven. Didn't even have to look it up.Went by it at least once a month for family visits-John Marganski --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48428	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: link couplers rep;lacement

<<<After trying to find some tubing stout enough to pound on to use for this process>>> Just as an FYI to the list, we are in the process of reproducing (sort of), the original AF LC removal tool. It consists of two parts.....the hollow tube that the pin is punched down inside of, and a long semi-hollow shaft that slips down over the pin and is then hit with a hammer, knocking the pin down into the tube. I say "sort of" because the original shaft that Gilbert supplied only set a short way down over the pin. It made it a bit awkward to use while ensuring a vertical hit. The shaft on our tool is going to be deeper......almost the entire length of the pin.....so that there is less chance of hitting at an angle. Should have these available by the end of the month. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48429	From: frank emiro	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: Putt Trains

I know it is PECK Street ,but sure of the number Art Shifrin <Goldens3@...> wrote: Hi Gang, What's the actual (in 2008) street address of the site of the former Gilbert factory in New Haven? TANX, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48430	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: AF 316 and 342

John- I will need to scan them in and post them. Later today or tomorrow. Bill Drake Central VA --- john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: > Has anyone got the exploded view drawings for the > 316 K5 and 342 0-8-0 I took mine apart like 2 years > ago and now I'm lost-TYIA-John Marganski > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one > month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48431	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing those blue headlights in diesels ?

Earl; Sounds like you've got a handle on it! You'll love DCC, it's a whole new world. As to lights, realizing bulbs are old fashioned and all that,,,, they work very well with DCC, and although many people talk about heat, melted plastic, yada yada, in fact, grain of wheat bulbs are available that don't pull much more power than LEDs. For example, they range from 20ma for 1.5 volt (which requires a resistor) to 40ma for 14v, which don't require any resistors or complication, just plug em and chug em. Something to consider in this day of thinking that LEDs rule. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > Thanks for all the messages received. Phil one of your comments really hits > the mark and makes me a little embarrassed I ever put the question out. > When the person who is installing the DCC decoders for me found out I was asking > about how to change out the blue light, he said don't worry, that he would > take care of that when the decoders were installed. One of these days on a DC > version, I may need to utilize one of your other suggestions which is to cut > out the blue LED and attach a yellow/white light with the use of a soldering > iron. But for my current project, this is resolved. > > Thanks to everyone who has contributed to finding solutions to the blue > lights. I hope it has benefited several members besides me. > > - Earl Henry, Jr., Nashville, TN > > > In a message dated 4/5/2008 3:51:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > pndunlop@... writes: > > Earl; > > imho, depends on if you want it to be "pristine" as it came out of > the box. If yes, call Ron at AM, chances are I'd guess in the 90%+ > range that he can provide a direct replacement. If you don't care, > then substitute with what ever lighting arrangement floats your > boat. The lights are hardwired, and you deal with them with some > wire cutters and a soldering iron. Let er RIP! > > My E8 is so far from out of box condition, it's mama wouldn't > recognize it. First thing that went was the lights. > > At this stage in it's life, it is under DCC control with LokSound, > and it's sporting some really neat 12v low MA bulbs that can be > driven directly from the decoder with no worries about resistors or > all that other headache. > > cheers > phil d --- bashin and trashin in texas, yippeeee > > > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states? ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48432	From: drvangil	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: How many cars can it pull

The cars that were used in the consist for the 143 car pull were mainly S-Helper Showcaseline cars. There were 70 box cars, reefers, and stock cars, 45 open hoppers, 7 covered hoppers, 10 ore cars and 1 caboose. The other 10 cars were American Models open hoppers. We laid out approx. 87 foot of American S-Gauge track using 27" radius curved sections for the corners and a mix of 5 foot flex and 10 inch straight track in between. We used the American Models Model SDK-2053 AC 75W Transformer for power and the puller was the #48401 4-8-4 Santa Fe Northern Steam Locomotive. Nobody thought to measure the length of the track or to calculate how much track we would need to reach our goal of 150 cars in the consist. We were just amazed that one engine would pull that many cars! Next year we're going to lay more track!!! Dave Van Gilder-Susquehanna S-Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48433	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: link couplers rep;lacement

A good pair of long nose pliers will pop those pins right out!!? Tom -----Original Message----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:54 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:link couplers rep;lacement After trying to find some tubing stout enough to pound on to use for this process, I found I could get rolled steel pins about 2 inches long in various diameters from about 1/8 in. up to 3/8 in. They are just a few cents a piece and have come in handy for other applications as well. I found mine at Lowes in their small hardware section. It's a pin normally used to pass through something like a pulley and shaft to keep the pulley on the shaft. I'm sure there's a correct term for them but I can't recall it . Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ben and Lynn Stiles" <lbstiles@...> Just carefully pound that sucker out with a small hammer. Actually, I try to find a small piece of pipe with enough ID to fit the wide part of the pin into. I rest the car on the truck surrounding the pin, large part centered in the opening of the pipe, and tap until it comes out. Depending on how well it is in there, it could bend, or get blown-out by the hammer taps. I have been able to reuse several, and lost some. Use a link coupler tool to install new link. BTW, I have had trouble with some of the repro pins being too big in circumference to fit comfortable in a repro link tool. I usually have to spin the pin to get some of the excess chrome off and then it will spin freely. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48434	From: SSabino39@aol.com	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it"

Thank you for a great video !! I remember watching "You Asked for it" when I was MUCH younger. It was great to see AF trains in action !! Thanks Rich Sabino **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48435	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: link couplers rep;lacement

You're right, Tom, I usually use pliers to remove the pins. I find the tubes useful in re-setting the pins in the new coupler. Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: tomminil@... A good pair of long nose pliers will pop those pins right out!!? Tom -----Original Message----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:54 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:link couplers rep;lacement After trying to find some tubing stout enough to pound on to use for this process, I found I could get rolled steel pins about 2 inches long in various diameters from about 1/8 in. up to 3/8 in. They are just a few cents a piece and have come in handy for other applications as well. I found mine at Lowes in their small hardware section. It's a pin normally used to pass through something like a pulley and shaft to keep the pulley on the shaft. I'm sure there's a correct term for them but I can't recall it . Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ben and Lynn Stiles" <lbstiles@...> Just carefully pound that sucker out with a small hammer. Actually, I try to find a small piece of pipe with enough ID to fit the wide part of the pin into. I rest the car on the truck surrounding the pin, large part centered in the opening of the pipe, and tap until it comes out. Depending on how well it is in there, it could bend, or get blown-out by the hammer taps. I have been able to reuse several, and lost some. Use a link coupler tool to install new link. BTW, I have had trouble with some of the repro pins being too big in circumference to fit comfortable in a repro link tool. I usually have to spin the pin to get some of the excess chrome off and then it will spin freely. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48436	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: How many cars can it pull

AM Northerns have all driver axles gear-driven. AF 4-8-4's have only one gear-driven axle and rely on a connecting rod to transfer power to the others. Helps in terms of pulling power. Not the fastest Northerns around, but can pull the wallpaper off your house.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48437	From: Doug	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it"

Says video not available. How can I get a copy or see it? Doug --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> wrote: > > http://video.yahoo.com/watch/941561 > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48438	From: harbor_jct	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Only 38 weeks till Christmas.

The Lionel Christmas 2008 catalog can now be viewed on their website.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48439	From: Ed	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it"

It was there for me. Ed -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:39 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Factory tour "You Asked for it" Says video not available. How can I get a copy or see it? Doug --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> wrote: > > http://video. <http://video.yahoo.com/watch/941561> yahoo.com/watch/941561 > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48440	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: YOUTUBE: Re How many cars can it pull

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u60ywY9x36k 1. This YouTube video shows the Susquehanna S Gaugers (aka SSG) 4th annual "Steam Up" held April 4 & 5, 2008. The "Steam Up" is a 2 day event held, where members probably best described as "hard core S gaugers" get together and "do their thing" in an isolated barn. 2. ABOUT THE LARGE LOOP AND THE 3 DIFFERENT 4-8-4 NORTHERNS RUN: Several members made a giant loop of American S Gauge sectional track using the 27" radius curves. They then literally "filled" the loop with 143 cars (mostly S Helper and some American Models), until the engine was "chasing" the caboose. They pulled this train with an American Models Northern, a new Lionel / Flyer Northern, and a vintage American Flyer Northern equipped with an SnS half-speed can motor. The American Models and the vintage Flyer could pull the train ok, but the new Lionel Flyer Northern seemed to be able to just barely pull it. --- The 307 Atlantic: Although we unfortunately did not get it on video, they ran a #307 Atlantic on this big loop -- and it was able to pull (struggling) somewhere around 70 cars, according to member Dave Van Gilder's memory.[====] 3. OTHER: The video also shows an amazing feat of wiring by another member, to create a layout containing both an automated reverse loop and an automated passing siding. Also, a small loop of track was set up on a table, to demonstrate the use of a RailRoad Concepts (rr- concepts.com) "Switching Interface Module" to control an automatic block controlling 2 trains on the loop. --- NOTE: Near the end of the video, that shows an automatic block control operating on a table, there is a reference to a separate video for the automatic block -- Please note, that as of 4/8/08, this video is yet to be made. --------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 --------------------------------------------------------- On Apr 8, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Dave wrote: The cars that were used in the consist for the 143 car pull were mainly S-Helper Showcaseline cars. There were 70 box cars, reefers, and stock cars, 45 open hoppers, 7 covered hoppers, 10 ore cars and 1 caboose. The other 10 cars were American Models open hoppers. We laid out approx. 87 foot of American S-Gauge track using 27" radius curved sections for the corners and a mix of 5 foot flex and 10 inch straight track in between. We used the American Models Model SDK-2053 AC 75W Transformer for power and the puller was the #48401 4-8-4 Santa Fe Northern Steam Locomotive. Nobody thought to measure the length of the track or to calculate how much track we would need to reach our goal of 150 cars in the consist. We were just amazed that one engine would pull that many cars! Next year we're going to lay more track!!! - Dave Van Gilder-Susquehanna S-Gaugers ============================================== On Apr 6, 2008, at 4:39 PM, Bob wrote: The club I belong to tried a little test we took a new out of the box American Models Northern and an Lionel AF Northern to how many cars they would pull. We took the American Models first and had 143 cars pulling behind it. The engine was 1 inch behind the caboose and running at 3/4 throtle. ... We put the Lionel engine on and it pulled it but at full throtle. It only went about 5 laps when the engine starting going so slow we thought it might burn up. ... We put the American Models and ran it for over an hour and it did not show signs of slowing down. We would have put more cars on it but were out of track. - Bob Persing :==========end of email ======== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48441	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Red Caboose Article

This is a recent article from the Washington Post travel page from someone who just visited Lancaster, PA and did stay at the Red Caboose Motel. I did not know that the Red Caboose Motel was under new ownership. Sounds like they fixed the place up. We stayed there in 1992, and it was fine. I did it once and that is enough. LOL We got some great train lantern Christmas lights from the gift shop in 1992, that we use on the mantel at Christmas. Ready to Go Nowhere Overnight? Get a Berth Here. By Andrea Sachs Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, April 6, 2008; P08 All aboard the hotel room. In truth, my "cabin" at the Fulton Steamboat Inn wasn't departing from the dock anytime soon, nor were my accommodations at the Red Caboose Motel ever going to pull out from the depot. Yet, with a little imagination, I easily could have imagined a flurry of confetti and a wave of hands from well-wishers as I embarked on a great journey in Lancaster County, Pa. A hotel room doesn't have to be as utilitarian as bed, television, extra roll of toilet paper. Overnight accommodations can become destinations worth REM deprivation. Disney and Las Vegas, of course, perfected the idea of theme hotels, indulging guests who wish to role-play as pirates, New Yorkers or pre-feminism princesses. But you don't have to go Mickey or broke to find such fantasyland beds: Pennsylvania Dutch country, of all places, boasts two hotels that capture the romance of travel in rooms built for sleep. "We tell everyone we're going on a cruise . . . to Lancaster," said Francine Davio of Clarksburg, who was attending the Knights of Columbus's weekend reunion at the Fulton Steamboat Inn, the third visit for the group of 34. "It's always smooth sailing." From Route 30, the hotel looms up like a ship tossed inland by a tidal wave. The 97-room property mirrors the design of the 19th-century steamship created by Robert Fulton, who was born in a farmhouse only miles away. The shipshape hotel has two black smokestacks that compete for air space with silos on nearby Amish farms, a red paddle wheel above the entrance and a moat that gives the impression of being at sea. (Unfortunately, ducks stand in for seagulls, koi for sharks.) The nautical theme continues indoors as well. Each floor is named after a deck (Promenade, Observation and Sun), and the lobby decor is Victorian-era Love Boat, with gilded mirrors, ladies-in-waiting velvet couches and old-fashioned boat prints. Music perfect for a costume ball or tea party is piped into the hallways and elevator. Better than a loop of Celine Dion's "Titanic" theme song. The 18-year-old hotel is in the midst of a major renovation that will make the rooms even more seaworthy. (Due to a busy holiday weekend, I was assigned a room that in a past life was an office, hence the expansive Staples-style desk and Murphy bed -- for late work nights?) The 25 refurbished nautical rooms -- the others are in a stagey Victorian style -- will feature an oversize steering wheel on the wall or the bed's headboard, gold and blue linens and carpeting, gold-striped wallpaper that evokes wood planks and patterned curtains that swish like waves. "It's like Disneyland," said general manager Peter J. Chiccarine. "It's in costume." And it's not so hard to stay in character. While relaxing by the indoor pool in the glass-walled bow, I spotted a silvery shark fin slicing through the water. I left before I could fully see what lay beneath (I assume a kid in a "Jaws" bathing cap). * * * For my second day in Lancaster, I tested my sleeping-car skills on the Strasburg Rail Road before moving into the Red Caboose Motel for the night. The property's overnight digs include two baggage cars and 38 cabooses. (For those not raised on model train sets, a caboose is a freight train's tail, which provides the conductor with office space and simple shelter.) By comparison, the tourist Strasburg train was a coal-powered steam locomotive with Victorian flourishes. During the 45-minute ride, I fake-dozed comfortably in my velvet seat, stockinged feet up, head bent toward an unadulterated agrarian landscape. The cabooses were much more austere but a million times more fun. As soon as I arrived, I ran around the rows of cars painted in bright LifeSavers colors and displaying the names of their former lines. The downside was that I experienced train envy. My rust-brown caboose from Pennsylvania paled beside the cherry-red Florida East Coast Railway model and the screaming-orange Illinois Central train. That was the critical adult in me; the wide-eyed kid was full of glee. I had a whole car to myself, which included two rooms, each with a bed; a small table overlooking farmland; a microwave and fridge; and a bathroom with all the necessary plumbing. The cupola's high windows let in light and a natural fresco of sky and treetops. I could also sit on a back porch and look into other guest's cabooses, unless they closed their Thomas the Tank Engine curtains. "It definitely brings out the kid in you," said Lori Zuba, whose three children and husband were touring the property before driving back to New Jersey. "This to me would be a photographic memory." Before the cabooses hosted visitors, they were orphaned workhorses that Don Denlinger bought as a joke at a 1969 auction. Denlinger, a local developer who also built the Fulton Steamboat Inn, started with 19 cars, then expanded to the current number, which also includes two dining cars (the trains date from the 1900s through the 1950s). In 2005, Larry DeMarco bought the dilapidated property with the goal of restoring its former glory and innocence. "I am trying to take you back to old-time family fun," said the 48-year-old Philadelphian, a father of two. Guests can play with goats, sheep and Lucy the pony in the petting zoo out back; watch films projected on the outside of a barn; take in the view from atop a silo; and bump down country roads in an Amish buggy. (Activities are seasonal.) The dining car serves three meals a day, and if you eat your broccoli, you can press a button at the hostess station to make the car shake as if you were really on the rails. The motel sits beside the Strasburg Rail Road tracks, and the next morning, I waited on my caboose porch for the locomotive to arrive. I heard the whistle first, then spotted the plumes of white smoke. I walked the few steps to the tracks, sat on a bench, then felt the blast of motion fluff my hair. I waved at children pressed up against windows and returned the twinkle in the conductor's eye. Then I returned to my caboose. Who had train envy now? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48442	From: lember2004	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: rivet removal methods/tools?

I am after a better way to remove rivets [e.g. ones holding trucks to bodies on Gilbert AF] than the crude method I now use. I would appreciate learning how others do it, any special tools out there for this task, etc. Thanks in advance! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48443	From: mike rosz	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Only 38 weeks till Christmas.

and the addresws for their web sight is________________________________ harbor_jct <rlebtrain@...> wrote: The Lionel Christmas 2008 catalog can now be viewed on their website. --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48444	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: rivet removal methods/tools?

Mark; Well,,,,, I suspect crude is pretty much the way it's done. Back in my A&P schooling days I was actually taught how to deal with rivits as part of qualifying for the FAA exam. Rivits are removed by using a twist drill (aka drill bit) of such a size that the head can be drilled down to the shank without marring the material the rivit is holding. That's pretty much it. Now days, when I remove the truck rivits from the cars I'm converting, and I'm converting a BUNCH of them to SHS trucks, I've found a pretty good tool for it. I use a DeWalt 5/16" twist drill, which is way too large for the job, except for: it has a "pilot point". In operation the pilot is pretty easy to start and guide to the shank, and just before it gets to the point it would cut through and possibly start nibbling at the surface of the truck, the big oversized 5/16" portion snicks off the head, which stays attached to the twist drill, and the shank falls happily off into the car. I use a small screwdriver wedged between truck and chassis to keep things from rotating, except for what I want to rotate. I'm so good now, I can strip 2 trucks off a car chassis in less than 30 seconds. Man, I got a PILE of ACG trucks stacking up. So,,, party on dude, enjoy your de-trucking! phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > I am after a better way to remove rivets [e.g. ones holding trucks to > bodies on Gilbert AF] than the crude method I now use. I would > appreciate learning how others do it, any special tools out there for > this task, etc. Thanks in advance! Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48445	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: 356 restore - clear coat

In the final stages of painting this once basket-case 356. A wise MVSG member advised me to try Scalecoat II paint instead of Polly-S as the Scalecoat dries to a gloss finish. It turned out perfectly! The decals are on so it is time to seal them in... what gloss coat to use? I always practice on scrap first to avoid unpleasant surprises. So I airbrushed clear lacquer (Clearkote) over the Scalecoat II. No problem! Great huh? Not great! Smoke fluid removes that stuff as fast as brake fluid. That was my second test. I tried Plasti-cote and Krylon clear also. They are maybe a bit too glossy and always produce an orange peel unless I put the paint on so thick that it looks more like nail polish or decoupage. But they are impervious to smoke fluid as is the Scalecoat II. So the current options are to leave the decals unsealed or to use a Krylon type spray bomb. Maybe clear satin would work or perhaps the gloss followed by some polishing compound to flatten the orange peel. Has anyone encountered and found a solution? Thanks, Tim Benner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48446	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Only 38 weeks till Christmas.- Lionel Website Address

Now that's a tough question - lol! www.lionel.com BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > and the addresws for their web sight is________________________________ > > harbor_jct <rlebtrain@...> wrote: The Lionel Christmas 2008 catalog can now be viewed on their website. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48447	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restore - clear coat

Tim, I have had good luck on several projects with Future floor wax. If you are airbrushing, clean your brush with ammonia to remove all residue. I would try it on a test piece first to see if the smoke fluid affects it. Let us know of the results if you try it. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: tim.benner@...: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:34:37 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] 356 restore - clear coat In the final stages of painting this once basket-case 356. A wise MVSG member advised me to try Scalecoat II paint instead of Polly-S as the Scalecoat dries to a gloss finish. It turned out perfectly! The decals are on so it is time to seal them in... what gloss coat to use? I always practice on scrap first to avoid unpleasant surprises. So I airbrushed clear lacquer (Clearkote) over the Scalecoat II. No problem! Great huh?Not great! Smoke fluid removes that stuff as fast as brake fluid. That was my second test.I tried Plasti-cote and Krylon clear also. They are maybe a bit too glossy and always produce an orange peel unless I put the paint on so thick that it looks more like nail polish or decoupage. But they are impervious to smoke fluid as is the Scalecoat II.So the current options are to leave the decals unsealed or to use a Krylon type spray bomb. Maybe clear satin would work or perhaps the gloss followed by some polishing compound to flatten the orange peel.Has anyone encountered and found a solution?Thanks,Tim Benner _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48448	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: YORK MEETING DATES

Has anybody set any dates for dinners each evening at York????? Usually Barb makes a list.... I will be at Hosses near the fairgrounds Monday at 7:00 PM.... Join me..... What about Tue, Wed is usually Alexanders..... Thursday the Flyernut Meeting....... See you all there.... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48449	From: John	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: TCM WEDNESDAY TRAIN NIGHT FOR APRIL

Better late than.... Turner Classic Movies is showing a number of train movies on Wednesday Nights in April--see their schedule on TCM Website. They have also scheduled one of my favorite war movies---Pursuit of the Graf Spee for May 5 at about 4 am EDT. This movie is listed in their mailing book but is missing from their web line up. Some of the web lineup is goofy including tonight---not sure why the discrepancy.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48450	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: YORK MEETING DATES

In a message dated 4/9/2008 3:41:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: Has anybody set any dates for dinners each evening at York????? Usually Barb makes a list.... I will be at Hosses near the fairgrounds Monday at 7:00 PM.... Join me..... What about Tue, Wed is usually Alexanders..... Thursday the Flyernut Meeting....... See you all there.... Bob Conner Sounds like Bob is this Springs go to guy. He DID forget NTTM on Wednesday, lots of restaurants, etc in Lancaster Co. The Shuttle will be stopping at Isaac's (lunch and dinner), Dining Car (lunch)and RED CABOOSE (breakfast, lunch, dinner) is right next door. Jim Lyle **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48451	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: New York Toy Train Icons

Hello friends, My wife and I will be in New York City for a few days for the Tony Awards in June, and I plan do some walking around to see the sights. I have not been in NYC since 1974 when, among other things, I went to the top of the World Trade Center. If possible during my walks, I would like to stroll past the locations of the Gilbert Hall of Science, the New York offices of Lionel and the old Madison Hardware store. I know they are long gone, perhaps even the buildings themselves may be history, but if anyone can provide me with any of the addresses or the cross streets and which corner, etc. of these old Toy Train Icons, I might try to at least pass by the old sites if I am in the neighborhood and have the time. In a small way, like the WTC site which we also plan to see, for some of us, these sights represent "hollowed ground" from the golden age of toy trains. Thanks for any info that may assist my quest. Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48452	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Express reefer's from ???????????

Any one familiar with Yeold huff and puff express reefer and their Passenger trucks? I was going to order Bachmann on3 Passenger trucks, but am waiting for some more feed back. Is S cenery's Express reefer a different kit? Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48453	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons

Alan: I can't help you with specific addresses myself, but you'll see and feel the ghosts of those legends when you do. It's amazing how much New York changes, but doesn't. You will be AMAZED as I was by how quiet everyone gets around the World Trade Center site. As raucous as New York is, the contrast is striking. BTW that's HALLOWED ground. You could say that the WTC site was hollowed out by the terrorist scum. _____________________________________________________________ Having troubles getting credit? Start rebuilding now with a prepaid credit card. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifRdICMWduTMBjx28xBotNFCvfAIOReS5TN43HVjsOnQYRX1/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48454	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Bob Board

Bob, Are you going to be having a table at York this April. If you are, could you bring the log dump car you told me you had in stock from Lionel, as I can pick it up from you at your table. Let me know. Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48455	From: yorktown26	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons

Alan, The Gilbert Hall of Science is at the junction of 5th Avenue and 25th street. The actual building is still there. The Lionel office is just around the block on 26th street to the east, and the Madison Hardware store is on 23RD. Street near Park avenue I lived in NY all my life, so I am very aware of all of this.Also I worked at # 1 World trade center and got out with my life in my hands on 911. I could meet you and your wife in June and we could take a walking tour if you like !! God bless you all, Dennis Caruso CT S Gaugers --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan and Sherry Bennett" <alansherry@...> wrote: > > Hello friends, > > My wife and I will be in New York City for a few days for the Tony Awards in June, and I plan do some walking around to see the sights. I have not been in NYC since 1974 when, among other things, I went to the top of the World Trade Center. If possible during my walks, I would like to stroll past the locations of the Gilbert Hall of Science, the New York offices of Lionel and the old Madison Hardware store. I know they are long gone, perhaps even the buildings themselves may be history, but if anyone can provide me with any of the addresses or the cross streets and which corner, etc. of these old Toy Train Icons, I might try to at least pass by the old sites if I am in the neighborhood and have the time. > > In a small way, like the WTC site which we also plan to see, for some of us, these sights represent "hollowed ground" from the golden age of toy trains. > > Thanks for any info that may assist my quest. > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48456	From: frank emiro	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons

You might want to go to what was the TOY Building at 23rd and 5th. I think it was 200 Fifth Ave. There were plagues with Marx, Cowen, & Gilbert's names on them in the main lobby. I heard the building was sold, but the plague may still be there. On the corner is the first building constructed of iron. It is easy to see being it is triangular in shape and faces the old AC Gilbert Hall of Science. yorktown26 <yorktown26@...> wrote: Alan, The Gilbert Hall of Science is at the junction of 5th Avenue and 25th street. The actual building is still there. The Lionel office is just around the block on 26th street to the east, and the Madison Hardware store is on 23RD. Street near Park avenue I lived in NY all my life, so I am very aware of all of this.Also I worked at # 1 World trade center and got out with my life in my hands on 911. I could meet you and your wife in June and we could take a walking tour if you like !! God bless you all, Dennis Caruso CT S Gaugers --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan and Sherry Bennett" <alansherry@...> wrote: > > Hello friends, > > My wife and I will be in New York City for a few days for the Tony Awards in June, and I plan do some walking around to see the sights. I have not been in NYC since 1974 when, among other things, I went to the top of the World Trade Center. If possible during my walks, I would like to stroll past the locations of the Gilbert Hall of Science, the New York offices of Lionel and the old Madison Hardware store. I know they are long gone, perhaps even the buildings themselves may be history, but if anyone can provide me with any of the addresses or the cross streets and which corner, etc. of these old Toy Train Icons, I might try to at least pass by the old sites if I am in the neighborhood and have the time. > > In a small way, like the WTC site which we also plan to see, for some of us, these sights represent "hollowed ground" from the golden age of toy trains. > > Thanks for any info that may assist my quest. > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48457	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: YORK MEETING DATES

In a message dated 4/9/2008 9:27:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes: Sounds like Bob is this Springs go to guy. NOW, if Bob were a Banker in the Mortgage Dept, could he be the Loan Arranger??? I forgot to mention there will be a "Luncheon Car" on the Strasburg RR, one of the sites on the shuttle. Tix at the station. Jim Lyle **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48458	From: Glenn	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons

WOW! If you go to Google Maps and input: 5th Avenue & 25th Street, New York City, NY You can see street photo views of the Gilbert building today. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: yorktown26 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New York Toy Train Icons Alan, The Gilbert Hall of Science is at the junction of 5th Avenue and 25th street. The actual building is still there. The Lionel office is just around the block on 26th street to the east, and the Madison Hardware store is on 23RD. Street near Park avenue I lived in NY all my life, so I am very aware of all of this.Also I worked at # 1 World trade center and got out with my life in my hands on 911. I could meet you and your wife in June and we could take a walking tour if you like !! God bless you all, Dennis Caruso CT S Gaugers . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48459	From: yorktown26	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons

Thanks, Frank, I visited this building around the year 2000. K Line trains had an office there and opened it to the public that year. The event was the closest thing to visiting the Gilbert or Lionel sites. Brought back a lot of memories, Dennis --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: > > You might want to go to what was the TOY Building at 23rd and 5th. I think it was 200 Fifth Ave. There were plagues with Marx, Cowen, & Gilbert's names on them in the main lobby. I heard the building was sold, but the plague may still be there. On the corner is the first building constructed of iron. It is easy to see being it is triangular in shape and faces the old AC Gilbert Hall of Science. > > yorktown26 <yorktown26@...> wrote: Alan, The Gilbert Hall of Science is at the junction of 5th Avenue > and 25th street. The actual building is still there. The Lionel > office is just around the block on 26th street to the east, and the > Madison Hardware store is on 23RD. Street near Park avenue > I lived in NY all my life, so I am very aware of all of this.Also I > worked at # 1 World trade center and got out with my life in my hands > on 911. > I could meet you and your wife in June and we could take a walking > tour if you like !! > > God bless you all, > Dennis Caruso CT S Gaugers > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan and Sherry Bennett" > <alansherry@> wrote: > > > > Hello friends, > > > > My wife and I will be in New York City for a few days for the Tony > Awards in June, and I plan do some walking around to see the sights. > I have not been in NYC since 1974 when, among other things, I went to > the top of the World Trade Center. If possible during my walks, I > would like to stroll past the locations of the Gilbert Hall of > Science, the New York offices of Lionel and the old Madison Hardware > store. I know they are long gone, perhaps even the buildings > themselves may be history, but if anyone can provide me with any of > the addresses or the cross streets and which corner, etc. of these > old Toy Train Icons, I might try to at least pass by the old sites if > I am in the neighborhood and have the time. > > > > In a small way, like the WTC site which we also plan to see, for > some of us, these sights represent "hollowed ground" from the golden > age of toy trains. > > > > Thanks for any info that may assist my quest. > > > > Alan Bennett > > Keizer, OR > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48460	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Winers if the new style 2 Cruising Main kits, Advert, Sort of.

Keevan please contact me off-list. Before we started to create style two of our Cruising Main series, we asked for photos and ideas from the groups. We received many great photos and ideas. However, we received photos of this same structure from 3 different members. This structure stands on the route to the PRR convention in Pittsburg. We would like to congratulate Bill Lane, Pieter Roose and Keevan as the winners for their contributions. Their free kit number 811 will be shipped near the end of this month. The photo shows this structure as a bank, but we call it a professional building. We want to say Thank You to all who contributed photos. If we make a kit from one of your photos, you will receive a free kit of that structure. Updates are now posted on the web page. Happy Railroading, Keith Blanchard and the Pine Canyon crew. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/811crusingmain.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48461	From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: YOUTUBE: S Ga. Automatic Block, Using RR Concepts Switching Interfac

SUBJECT: YouTube videos showing an S gauge Automatic Block, using a RR Concepts 'Switching Interface Module' Part 1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=AQvdO9CzH1c Part 2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ll1sOX2Cs1Q Part 3: http://youtube.com/watch?v=grk1LoGS9M4 This three-part YouTube video shows the operation of an S gauge automatic block, showing it controlling 2 trains on the same track. The block uses a RR Concepts (http://RR-Concepts.com) 'Switching Interface Module' (aka SIM) to operate the current-switching to do the stopping and starting. The automatic block keeps the 2 trains "spaced apart" on the loop. If a faster train starts to overtake a slower train, the block stops the faster train and delays it, until the slower train "regains" the spacing between trains. Rheostats are used as a crude, but simple and effective method of slowing down the trains as they enter the block, and "cushioning" their start as they start-up to exit the block. The 'Switching Interface Module' is essentially a DPDT (Double Pole, Double Throw) latching relay, with added screw-connection terminals, plus voltage regulation that allows you to use a range of input voltages to power it; 6 to 20 volts AC, or 6 to 20 volts DC. The relay can switch any current, AC, DC, or DCC. This demonstration was done using using two unmodified vintage American Flyer engines with the original AC motors, an S-Helper diesel with a DC motor, and a DCC decoder-equipped American Flyer 283 Pacific. This demonstration was done using a DC transformer, since all these engines can "happily" operate on DC current. Activation of the relay is done using RR-Concepts-supplied magnets and reed switches. The magnets can be "stuck" to the bottom of an American Flyer car, since they will stick to the car's metal floor. Note that the magnets that I used on the bottom of the American Flyer cars were the RR Concepts magnets, that they sell for LargeScale. (They also supply smaller magnets to use with HO trains.) 2. OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT AUTOMATIC BLOCKS: I have been making automatic blocks since about 1988 using LGB LargeScale trains and the "plug and play" LGB reed switches (track contacts), magnets, and DPDT relay points that plug into the ends of the LGB switch motors. The obstacle to doing this same thing in S gauge has always been the problem that the LGB reed switches and magnets are too large to fit into S gauge track. The RR Concepts equipment gets us over that "hump", as their parts can be easily used with S gauge track, as the video hopefully demonstrates. 3. OTHER RR CONCEPTS UNITS: In addition to the 'Switching Interface Module' shown in this video, RR Concepts also makes several other units, including the 'StationMaster' (gradually acceleration and deceleration; must be used with DC current), the 'SwitchMaster' (provides a controlled "pulse" to throw switch motors, and also relay points for switching power), 'StationStopper' for simple station stops (like the StationMaster, but without the controlled acceleration/deceleration), plus several other variations. These units can all be viewed on the website at http://RR-Concepts.com . RR Concepts (operated by a gentleman named Curtis Roeckes in Oceanside CA) has been supplying electronic modules for LargeScale trains since about 1992. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ======== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48462	From: frank emiro	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons

Take some photos for us. yorktown26 <yorktown26@...> wrote: Thanks, Frank, I visited this building around the year 2000. K Line trains had an office there and opened it to the public that year. The event was the closest thing to visiting the Gilbert or Lionel sites. Brought back a lot of memories, Dennis --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: > > You might want to go to what was the TOY Building at 23rd and 5th. I think it was 200 Fifth Ave. There were plagues with Marx, Cowen, & Gilbert's names on them in the main lobby. I heard the building was sold, but the plague may still be there. On the corner is the first building constructed of iron. It is easy to see being it is triangular in shape and faces the old AC Gilbert Hall of Science. > > yorktown26 <yorktown26@...> wrote: Alan, The Gilbert Hall of Science is at the junction of 5th Avenue > and 25th street. The actual building is still there. The Lionel > office is just around the block on 26th street to the east, and the > Madison Hardware store is on 23RD. Street near Park avenue > I lived in NY all my life, so I am very aware of all of this.Also I > worked at # 1 World trade center and got out with my life in my hands > on 911. > I could meet you and your wife in June and we could take a walking > tour if you like !! > > God bless you all, > Dennis Caruso CT S Gaugers > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan and Sherry Bennett" > <alansherry@> wrote: > > > > Hello friends, > > > > My wife and I will be in New York City for a few days for the Tony > Awards in June, and I plan do some walking around to see the sights. > I have not been in NYC since 1974 when, among other things, I went to > the top of the World Trade Center. If possible during my walks, I > would like to stroll past the locations of the Gilbert Hall of > Science, the New York offices of Lionel and the old Madison Hardware > store. I know they are long gone, perhaps even the buildings > themselves may be history, but if anyone can provide me with any of > the addresses or the cross streets and which corner, etc. of these > old Toy Train Icons, I might try to at least pass by the old sites if > I am in the neighborhood and have the time. > > > > In a small way, like the WTC site which we also plan to see, for > some of us, these sights represent "hollowed ground" from the golden > age of toy trains. > > > > Thanks for any info that may assist my quest. > > > > Alan Bennett > > Keizer, OR > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48463	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: York Wednesday Parking Info

ALL TCA members are invited to join us at the National Toy Train Museum on Wednesday April 16th, from 10 AM til 5:30 PM. OPEN FREE ALL DAY. PARKING--The NTTM has a large number of Parking spaces, but not an infinite number. Therefore some years ago we made arrangements with some of our friends and neighbors to help alleviate a parking deficiency. We now have SIGNED parking available at: RED CABOOSE MOTEL, right next door, easy stroll from trackside parking along the Strasburg RR. PLEASE DO NOT park at the motel units (cabooses). Restaurant will also be open for Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner, sit down in a real RR car to eat. STRASBURG RAILROAD-- SHUTTLE Stop, on PA Rt 741, the GAP RD. Park in "lower lot" easy walk to the "J" Tower for pick-up. Dining Car Restaurant should be open for lunch, also lunch on the train, TIX at the station. CHOO CHOO BARN-- SHUTTLE Stop, on PA Rt 741, the GAP RD. Park in lot, easy walk to sidewalk pick-up point. Choo Choo Barn and Train Shop will be open from 10 til 5. Isaac's Restaurant open for Lunch and Dinner. RAILROAD MUSEUM OF PENNSYLVANIA-- SHUTTLE Stop, on PA Rt 741, the GAP RD, park in large lot on East side, pick-up at stairway to upper walkway. Open from 10 til 5. NATIONAL OFFICERS, Committee people, Vendors, etc, please make your presence known on entering the NTTM lot so we can park you appropriately. The SHUTTLE will run from 9 AM til 6 PM, prox 15 minute headway, you are WELCOME to ride it at any time to the other venues to vist, get lunch, etc. The driver would probably accept an offered gratuity. AS always we will have TCA Parking Crew members working the NTTM and Red Caboose lots , they will be wearing BRIGHT yellow hats and flourescent vests. They will have radio communications. They are friendly, helpful people, VOLUNTEERING their time. IF you have a problem, they will do their best to help. IF you have an unsolvable problem, they will contact me. I can help. If you need to yell at someone, PLEASE ask for me. LOOKING FORWARD to seeing you all, Jim Lyle Parking Crew **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48464	From: boblines51	Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Help with set

I need some help a friend of mine bought a Flyer set in the set box,gut the set number don't match the set.It was bought from an older fellow that this was the only train set he had.Set box has on it 4914A but in the box was a 314AW with whistle control,2-652 Red coaches with long trucks,1-654 coach Red with long trucks,1-718 opp baggage car Red.If anyone knows this set please let me know. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48465	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Help with set

Bob, I would say the engine may have gotten swapped out for the 314AW. Should be a 322. Could have happened at the store when purchased. This set number and the 314AW set were both 1949, so this may have been what happened. Harwood **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48466	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Worlds biggest Erector set

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48467	From: lember2004	Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: rivet removal methods/tools?

Phil, Thanks for the info! How did you ever discover that the "oversized" DeWalt 5/16 did the job so well? Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote: > > Mark; > > Well,,,,, I suspect crude is pretty much the way it's done. Back in my > A&P schooling days I was actually taught how to deal with rivits as > part of qualifying for the FAA exam. > > Rivits are removed by using a twist drill (aka drill bit) of such a > size that the head can be drilled down to the shank without marring the > material the rivit is holding. That's pretty much it. > > Now days, when I remove the truck rivits from the cars I'm converting, > and I'm converting a BUNCH of them to SHS trucks, I've found a pretty > good tool for it. > > I use a DeWalt 5/16" twist drill, which is way too large for the job, > except for: it has a "pilot point". In operation the pilot is pretty > easy to start and guide to the shank, and just before it gets to the > point it would cut through and possibly start nibbling at the surface > of the truck, the big oversized 5/16" portion snicks off the head, > which stays attached to the twist drill, and the shank falls happily > off into the car. I use a small screwdriver wedged between truck and > chassis to keep things from rotating, except for what I want to > rotate. I'm so good now, I can strip 2 trucks off a car chassis in > less than 30 seconds. Man, I got a PILE of ACG trucks stacking up. > > So,,, party on dude, enjoy your de-trucking! > > phil d > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@> wrote: > > > > I am after a better way to remove rivets [e.g. ones holding trucks to > > bodies on Gilbert AF] than the crude method I now use. I would > > appreciate learning how others do it, any special tools out there for > > this task, etc. Thanks in advance! Mark > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48468	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: 370 Wiring Question

I just purchased my first 370 and have a question. How are the two wires attached to the powered truck? On mine the wires were loosely soldered to the top of the powered truck pin. The solder joint allowed the uninsluated portion of the wires to touch the chassis weight creating a short. When I moved the wires to prevent the short the solder joint came undone. Are these wires supposed to be soldered to this pin or should they be attached to a screw on the powered truck bracket or some other way? Since I have it all apart I want to repair it the right way before putting it all back together again. Thanks for any help you can offer! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48469	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: 370 Wiring Question

It should be soldered to the yoke pin. You may have to replace the wire because it should not be bare long enough to short out. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 04/11/2008 11:08:58 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: I just purchased my first 370 and have a question. How are the two wires attached to the powered truck? On mine the wires were loosely soldered to the top of the powered truck pin. The solder joint allowed the uninsluated portion of the wires to touch the chassis weight creating a short. When I moved the wires to prevent the short the solder joint came undone. Are these wires supposed to be soldered to this pin or should they be attached to a screw on the powered truck bracket or some other way? Since I have it all apart I want to repair it the right way before putting it all back together again. Thanks for any help you can offer! BG1 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48470	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: rivet removal methods/tools?

Well,,,, blind luck I guess. You know, when you want something off, you just reach for something that's gonna get it off, and I knew that big ole clunking thing would do it, the fact that it worked so well was just a happy coincidence! cheers pd --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > Phil, Thanks for the info! How did you ever discover that > the "oversized" DeWalt 5/16 did the job so well? Mark > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@> wrote: > > > > Mark; > > > > Well,,,,, I suspect crude is pretty much the way it's done. Back > in my >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48471	From: ecphora123	Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Using SHS Trucks

Maybe this has been discussed before, but what method(s) work best to mount SHS trucks on Flyer, IR, Marx or other non SHS freight cars? I just purchased a pre Atlas Industrial Rail Santa Fe style caboose and the truck mounting holes have a rather large diameter. Would simply adding a brass tube of an appropriate internal and external diameter work or is there a better way? Thanks, Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48472	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: ERTL Farm Country sets

I have a question regarding these sets. I know quite a few of us here have them. (Cow Town, etc.) We're having bit of a discussion about them on my LEMAX forum. I know the boxes are marked 1/64th and the figures are VERY close to 1/64th. One fella feels the buildings are more O-scale like, than S-scale like. He's convinced the figures are 1/64th, but not the buildings. I feel they are more 1/64th, but I'm an idiot with such details! What do ya all think?? Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48473	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: ERTL Farm Country sets

A quick measurment on the "Family Home Set", looks to be 1/64, the train set is "S" size. Perhaps it's due to being near the same size as Plasticville that has them think "O" as those have been spld as "O". Plasticville people are "O" or larger jfred Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: I have a question regarding these sets. I know quite a few of us here have them. (Cow Town, etc.) We're having bit of a discussion about them on my LEMAX forum. I know the boxes are marked 1/64th and the figures are VERY close to 1/64th. One fella feels the buildings are more O-scale like, than S-scale like. He's convinced the figures are 1/64th, but not the buildings. I feel they are more 1/64th, but I'm an idiot with such details! What do ya all think?? Rick. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48474	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: ERTL Farm Country sets

I measured the doors in my Farm Town set. They are 1-1/2" tall. That yields a 96" door - a bit tall for residential a door, perhaps - but maybe not for a commercial door - ?? I don't have any of the resiential sets to measure those doors. Anyone out there have one? Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] ERTL Farm Country sets I have a question regarding these sets. I know quite a few of us here have them. (Cow Town, etc.) We're having bit of a discussion about them on my LEMAX forum. I know the boxes are marked 1/64th and the figures are VERY close to 1/64th. One fella feels the buildings are more O-scale like, than S-scale like. He's convinced the figures are 1/64th, but not the buildings. I feel they are more 1/64th, but I'm an idiot with such details! What do ya all think?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48475	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/13/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48476	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: New York Toy Train Icons

Hello all, Just got back to my son's house in Fort Mill, SC after visiting many American history icons in and around the Charleston, SC area with him, our wives and the grandchildren. I opened my laptop and found several responses to my post on these lists about locating New York Toy Train Icons. Thank all y'all who replied. It is just the information and support I was needing. Such sharing of information and ideas is what makes these lists so great and helpful. Since SC is so close to York (at least when compared to Oregon), I will be driving up there next week to attend my first TCA Eastern Meet. I will be wearing both a TTML and an S-Trains badge. Hope to see some of you there. I will arrive late Wednesday afternoon. Is it worthwhile for an AF enthusiast to try to make the last hour or so of the AF/S Gauge meet at the Firehouse that evening? Thanks again to all. Cheers! Alan Bennett Normally of Keizer, OR but temporarily in Fort Mill, SC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48477	From: barb	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4031

Hi All, I have th ERTL county fair. I think the 1/64th people fit perfectly in the seats of the ferris wheel. The merry-go-round and ferris wheel look fine on the layout. IMHO. Barb -----Original Message----- >From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Apr 13, 2008 11:19 AM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4031 > > > S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains >Messages In This Digest (6 Messages) >1. Using SHS Trucks From: ecphora123 2a. ERTL Farm Country sets From: Rick Evans 2b. Re: ERTL Farm Country sets From: JFrederick Roberts 2c. Re: ERTL Farm Country sets From: Donald Munsey Jr. 3. SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/13/2008, 8:00 pm From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com 4a. Re: New York Toy Train Icons From: Alan and Sherry Bennett >View All Topics | Create New Topic > Messages >1. Using SHS Trucks Posted by: "ecphora123" ecphora123@...   ecphora123 Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:25 am (PDT) > Maybe this has been discussed before, but what method(s) work best to >mount SHS trucks on Flyer, IR, Marx or other non SHS freight cars? I >just purchased a pre Atlas Industrial Rail Santa Fe style caboose and >the truck mounting holes have a rather large diameter. Would simply >adding a brass tube of an appropriate internal and external diameter >work or is there a better way? > >Thanks, >Gene Cimino > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) >2a. ERTL Farm Country sets Posted by: "Rick Evans" bassflyer@...   bassflyer Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:52 am (PDT) > I have a question regarding these sets. I know quite a few of us here >have them. >(Cow Town, etc.) >We're having bit of a discussion about them on my LEMAX forum. >I know the boxes are marked 1/64th and the figures are VERY close to >1/64th. >One fella feels the buildings are more O-scale like, than S-scale >like. He's convinced >the figures are 1/64th, but not the buildings. I feel they are more >1/64th, but I'm an >idiot with such details! > >What do ya all think?? > >Rick. > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) >2b. Re: ERTL Farm Country sets Posted by: "JFrederick Roberts" jfred436@...   jfred436 Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:40 am (PDT) > A quick measurment on the "Family Home Set", looks to be 1/64, the train set is "S" size. Perhaps it's due to being near the same size as Plasticville that has them think "O" as those have been spld as "O". Plasticville people are "O" or larger > >jfred > >Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: I have a question regarding these sets. I know quite a few of us here > have them. > (Cow Town, etc.) > We're having bit of a discussion about them on my LEMAX forum. > I know the boxes are marked 1/64th and the figures are VERY close to > 1/64th. > One fella feels the buildings are more O-scale like, than S-scale > like. He's convinced > the figures are 1/64th, but not the buildings. I feel they are more > 1/64th, but I'm an > idiot with such details! > > What do ya all think?? > > Rick. > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) >2c. Re: ERTL Farm Country sets Posted by: "Donald Munsey Jr." dmunseyjr@...   bigswede073 Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:16 pm (PDT) > I measured the doors in my Farm Town set. They are 1-1/2" tall. That yields a 96" door - a bit tall for residential a door, perhaps - but maybe not for a commercial door - ?? > >I don't have any of the resiential sets to measure those doors. Anyone out there have one? > >Keep in touch! > >Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... >S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator >River Logging fan >Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan >Virginian Rwy fan >Bonsai grasshopper >Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Evans > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:44 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] ERTL Farm Country sets > >I have a question regarding these sets. I know quite a few of us here > have them. > (Cow Town, etc.) > We're having bit of a discussion about them on my LEMAX forum. > I know the boxes are marked 1/64th and the figures are VERY close to > 1/64th. > One fella feels the buildings are more O-scale like, than S-scale > like. He's convinced > the figures are 1/64th, but not the buildings. I feel they are more > 1/64th, but I'm an > idiot with such details! > >What do ya all think?? > >Rick. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) >3. SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/13/2008, 8:00 pm Posted by: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:59 pm (PDT) > Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/cal > >SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT >Sunday April 13, 2008 >8:00 pm - 12:00 am >(This event repeats every week.) >(The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours.) >Location: http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 > >Notes: >Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus > >All Rights Reserved > Copyright © 2008 > Yahoo! Inc. >http://www.yahoo.com > >Privacy Policy: >http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us > >Terms of Service: >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) >4a. Re: New York Toy Train Icons Posted by: "Alan and Sherry Bennett" alansherry@...   alansherryb Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:37 pm (PDT) > Hello all, > >Just got back to my son's house in Fort Mill, SC after visiting many American history icons in and around the Charleston, SC area with him, our wives and the grandchildren. I opened my laptop and found several responses to my post on these lists about locating New York Toy Train Icons. > >Thank all y'all who replied. It is just the information and support I was needing. Such sharing of information and ideas is what makes these lists so great and helpful. > >Since SC is so close to York (at least when compared to Oregon), I will be driving up there next week to attend my first TCA Eastern Meet. I will be wearing both a TTML and an S-Trains badge. Hope to see some of you there. I will arrive late Wednesday afternoon. Is it worthwhile for an AF enthusiast to try to make the last hour or so of the AF/S Gauge meet at the Firehouse that evening? > >Thanks again to all. > >Cheers! > >Alan Bennett >Normally of Keizer, OR but temporarily in Fort Mill, SC > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (8) >Recent Activity > >* > 6 >New Members >* > 1 >New Files > > Visit Your Group >Yahoo! Finance > >It's Now Personal > >Guides, news, > >advice & more. > >Sell Online > >Start selling with > >our award-winning > >e-commerce tools. > >Best of Y! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48478	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: York

Too late to fill any advance requests for pre-packed pickups at York, but we'll be set up as usual in PURPLE Hall. Hope to see many of you there! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48479	From: barb	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: ERTL and !/64th figures

Rick, I have the ERTL county fair. The 1/64th figures sitting in the seats of the ferris wheel look just fine size-wise. Of course one of the gals in a seat gets sick to her stomach as the wheel reaches the pinnacle each round. But this is a different problem. The merry-go-round and ferris wheel look great on the S layout. Barb -----Original Message----- >From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Mar 24, 2008 7:13 AM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 4008 > > > S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains >Messages In This Digest (13 Messages) >1. Smoke, Choo Choo and no squeak, a fix for the LAF Northern From: harbor_jct 2a. Train Shopping!!! From: Michael and Linda Marmer 2b. Re: Train Shopping!!! From: Michael and Linda Marmer 2c. Re: Vinyl Roadbed From: Jerry Matsick 3a. Re: S trackwork From: Michael and Linda Marmer 4. AF Northern Sound From: HOwingsiii@... 5a. Re: 355  AF  Baldwin conversion to can motor From: tomminil@... 5b. Re: 355  AF  Baldwin conversion to can motor From: Donald Munsey Jr. 6a. SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/23/2008, 8:00 pm From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com 7. "M2 Machines" Autos : SOURCES From: John Degnan 8a. Re: looking for parts From: boss31@... 9. Find the S Scale Cat From: Michael and Linda Marmer 10. Re: DECC and reverse loops & wyes From: Don Thompson >View All Topics | Create New Topic > Messages >1. Smoke, Choo Choo and no squeak, a fix for the LAF Northern Posted by: "harbor_jct" rlebtrain@...   harbor_jct Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:24 am (PDT) > I have performed this operation on both the black and gray painted >LAF northerns that I own. > >Remove the shell from the frame and the smoke element/cover from what >I call the air/smoke chamber assembly, then remove the assembly and >piston cylinder from the frame. The piston cylinder is a machined >brass cylinder that is screwed to the air/smoke chamber assembly from >inside the cylinder. Remove the cylinder from the assembly. Place >the cylinder face down on a piece of 1/32 inch cardboard. I used the >cardboard backing from a pad of paper. With a knife cut through the >cardboard around the circumference of the cylinder. With a pointed >object, from the inside of the cylinder mark the center of the two >holes for the mounting screws and the center of the air hole. Remove >the cylinder from the cardboard and drill a 5/64 inch hole for each >of the two screw mounting holes and a 1/32 inch hole for the air >hole. Insert the piece of cardboard between the air/smoke chamber >assembly and the cylinder, lining up the air hole in the cardboard >with the air hole in the cylinder, and screw the cylinder onto the >assembly. This operation gets rid of the squeak and produces a nice >sounding choo choo sound. Also, since the hole in the cardboard is >smaller than the hole in the cylinder, greater pressure builds up in >the cylinder as the piston head moves forward. This results in the >air stream exiting the cylinder with greater velocity which will >produce more smoke from the air/smoke chamber assembly. Before >replacing the assembly on the frame, remove the Lionel wick and >replace it with about a 5 inch long strand of wick material from a >wick replacement kit for original flyer smoke units. The replacement >wick material produces more smoke than the Lionel wick. Apply about >20 drops of smoke fluid to the new wick. Then replace the gasket on >the assembly, the smoke element/cover on the assembly and finally the >entire assembly and cylinder back on the frame. If this fix is >performed on a northern that has the larger gasket, as my gray >northern did, the gasket will need to be cut back to expose the air >chamber portion of the air/smoke chamber otherwise the gasket will >muffle the choo choo sound. The air chamber is located between the >air baffle plate and the face of the piston cylinder. > >To see if the direction of the air baffle plate inside the air/smoke >chamber assembly makes a difference, I removed the baffle from the >assembly in my black northern rotated it 180 degrees and inserted it >back into the assembly. This operation can be performed by drilling >two holes in the bottom of the assembly directly over the air baffle >plate, to expose the bottom of the plate. Once this is accomplished, >the plate can be tapped out from the bottom of the assembly rotated >and then tapped back in from the top of the assembly. The holes in >the bottom can be plugged with two part epoxy for metal. Any nicks >made in the bottom of the plate due to tapping can be repaired by >flowing solder into the nicks and filing it level. After performing >this operation on my black northern, I found no difference in the >choo choo sound between either my black or gray northern when run >with the piece of cardboard installed. > >To see if removing the resistor circuit board made a difference in >the amount of smoke produced, I removed the circuit board from the >black northern and wired the smoke element direct to the power wire >on one side and through the wire to the smoke switch on the other >side. The difference in smoke output is tremendous to say the >least. The smoke output from my black northern without the resistor >board and with the cardboard installed and the air baffle reversed >now reminds me of the smoke output from one of Gilbert's Casey Jones >locos. The smoke output from my gray northern with the cardboard >installed and with the resistor board still in place now reminds me >of the smoke output from my Gilbert northern. > >The choo choo sound produced after this fix is not quite as loud as >Gilbert's choo choo sound. It is however loud enough to be easily >heard on my Flyer layout at a distance greater than 30 feet and it is >equally as loud as the choo choo produced from the American Models >northern that I own. > >Personally speaking, I am thrilled with the mechanical choo choo >sound and smoke output that both northerns now make. I run my non >TMCC locos using a Lionel Cab 1 controller and a Lionel Powermaster >hooked up between a 30B transformer and the track connection. The >Cab 1 allows remote control of the whistle, bell, direction and speed >while allowing me to follow the loco around the layout. Setting the >sound switch on the bottom of the tender to no sound only affects the >electronic chuff. The brake squeal, whistle, bell and the crew talk >still sound. I have been having so much fun this weekend running >both of the northerns around the layout, following each one around >listening to the mechanical choo choo and blowing the whistle like >crazy, that it has reminded me of a long forgotten memory of the >first time I ran my then new Gilbert northern around a simple oval of >track back in the late 1950's. Priceless! Rich > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) >2a. Train Shopping!!! Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@...   mlmarmer2000 Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:27 am (PDT) > Yesterday Saturday it was too cold to go bike riding so we went to Frederick MD about 20 minutes from our home. > >We knew about a train shop in downtown Frederick since we saw their ads in Frederick Magazine. > >We find the place as it is in a industrial looking building, about a block of the main street of downtown Frederick, Market Street. > >We see that the place, the building is up for lease!!!!! Oh no, another independent to go out of business. > >We go into the shop anyway, and it was a wonderful train shop, nicely stock with allot of things. www.frederickjunction.com > >The owner, 69 year old John Hartman is a very friendly person who tells us he has been here since 1999 as a train shop. He owns the building and it used to be a shop selling fire extinguishers. > >He tells us we are his second customers all week, as we tell him we are S people as we know many shops do not carry S but we like to look anyway. You never know when you might get a idea. > >I told Linda right before we go in, that it is nice visiting these shops and telling them off the bat that we buy S products only. USUALLY, they have no S and we get to stroll around and leave with out spending a dime. Wrong today!! LOL > >He tells us he does have some S. > >He tells us he will make more money leasing the building out, as it is better than going bankrupt and losing everything. I is a matter of time before he closes. > >He had a wall behind him that was painted like a B&O Passenger car. > >We exchange train stories for about a hour, as his son kept calling him and he told him he would call back!!! Poor son! > >Anyway, I see he has a some S Helper train parts as I need a AF type couplers to replace them on a American Models box car kit I have to build that I got from Doug Peck in Wells Maine retail location in a Antique mall for $20 in 1993!!!! AM couplers do not go through my switches. Ben, we should of waited on mailing you the other AM's I have, as I will have another pair for from a York purchase from Joe Haenn, Duke fan, snicker, from a Cities Service tank car. > >Being new as a operator, I see he has three types of AF couplers replacements from S Helper. One for caboose, hopper or other. I chose other. Then I see he has several S Helper cars, as many of the parts and cars are in the older boxes and wraps from S Helper. They have been sitting here that long!! He has at least one out of print box car the Missouri Pacific look alike AF box car, which I missed out on and maybe a Canadian National Box car. I take those plus a Great Northern Caboose. The MP car was so old, it still had the old retail price of 39.95 on it. > >So, we get to the counter as I want to look at the couplers for the box cars to make sure I have the right one for the other car at home. > >As I am pulling the car out of the box, Linda goes "WOW, look at the detail of the underneath!" as S helper detail over all is so life like, as who would think to the bottom too. > >I wrote to Don Thompson owner of S Helper a good friend too, this story and I told him he should do a ad with Linda holding a box car upside down, looking at it, a grown woman, saying that!! > >Think of all the train ads you have seen, for those into trains, they are the same boring ads. > >This would be eye catching for Don and get the buyers attention real quick for many reasons. Okay, not for anything dirty!!!!!! Hey that my wife I am talking about. > >She would work for anything Chessie he has. > >Actually any female would work, but I think she should get first curtain call on this!!! > >I think it get a award for a "ad of the year" etc., as ads do get awards for cleverness, marketing appeal, etc. > >So, I do have the right couplers and we say our goodbyes, as we spent 165.00. Lunch was 28. > >Expensive day! LOL The Saturday before when we biked 30.6 miles in Western MD, I only spent a buck 89 on two apples at the local ACT gas station off of I-70 at Big Pool, MD!!! > >LOL > >Mike Marmer > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) >2b. Re: Train Shopping!!! Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@...   mlmarmer2000 Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:18 pm (PDT) > All 3 S Helper cars I got are no longer available!! > >I stuck a goldmine of out of production S Helper. > >I think he had one car left. I can not recall what it was. > >Email the shop if you are looking for something, as I think it was yellow with black print. It was like a Western state short line maybe? > >Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains > Cc: CHARLOTTE SHREWSBURY ; cookie flannery ; John Cangemi ; Larry & Tena Dilello ; Ralph Loveless ; Roger Knight ; SSchaffer ; Steve Hoschler ; steve.conard@... > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:39 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Shopping!!! > >Yesterday Saturday it was too cold to go bike riding so we went to Frederick MD about 20 minutes from our home. > >We knew about a train shop in downtown Frederick since we saw their ads in Frederick Magazine. > >We find the place as it is in a industrial looking building, about a block of the main street of downtown Frederick, Market Street. > >We see that the place, the building is up for lease!!!!! Oh no, another independent to go out of business. > >We go into the shop anyway, and it was a wonderful train shop, nicely stock with allot of things. www.frederickjunction.com > >The owner, 69 year old John Hartman is a very friendly person who tells us he has been here since 1999 as a train shop. He owns the building and it used to be a shop selling fire extinguishers. > >He tells us we are his second customers all week, as we tell him we are S people as we know many shops do not carry S but we like to look anyway. You never know when you might get a idea. > >I told Linda right before we go in, that it is nice visiting these shops and telling them off the bat that we buy S products only. USUALLY, they have no S and we get to stroll around and leave with out spending a dime. Wrong today!! LOL > >He tells us he does have some S. > >He tells us he will make more money leasing the building out, as it is better than going bankrupt and losing everything. I is a matter of time before he closes. > >He had a wall behind him that was painted like a B&O Passenger car. > >We exchange train stories for about a hour, as his son kept calling him and he told him he would call back!!! Poor son! > >Anyway, I see he has a some S Helper train parts as I need a AF type couplers to replace them on a American Models box car kit I have to build that I got from Doug Peck in Wells Maine retail location in a Antique mall for $20 in 1993!!!! AM couplers do not go through my switches. Ben, we should of waited on mailing you the other AM's I have, as I will have another pair for from a York purchase from Joe Haenn, Duke fan, snicker, from a Cities Service tank car. > >Being new as a operator, I see he has three types of AF couplers replacements from S Helper. One for caboose, hopper or other. I chose other. Then I see he has several S Helper cars, as many of the parts and cars are in the older boxes and wraps from S Helper. They have been sitting here that long!! He has at least one out of print box car the Missouri Pacific look alike AF box car, which I missed out on and maybe a Canadian National Box car. I take those plus a Great Northern Caboose. The MP car was so old, it still had the old retail price of 39.95 on it. > >So, we get to the counter as I want to look at the couplers for the box cars to make sure I have the right one for the other car at home. > >As I am pulling the car out of the box, Linda goes "WOW, look at the detail of the underneath!" as S helper detail over all is so life like, as who would think to the bottom too. > >I wrote to Don Thompson owner of S Helper a good friend too, this story and I told him he should do a ad with Linda holding a box car upside down, looking at it, a grown woman, saying that!! > >Think of all the train ads you have seen, for those into trains, they are the same boring ads. > >This would be eye catching for Don and get the buyers attention real quick for many reasons. Okay, not for anything dirty!!!!!! Hey that my wife I am talking about. > >She would work for anything Chessie he has. > >Actually any female would work, but I think she should get first curtain call on this!!! > >I think it get a award for a "ad of the year" etc., as ads do get awards for cleverness, marketing appeal, etc. > >So, I do have the right couplers and we say our goodbyes, as we spent 165.00. Lunch was 28. > >Expensive day! LOL The Saturday before when we biked 30.6 miles in Western MD, I only spent a buck 89 on two apples at the local ACT gas station off of I-70 at Big Pool, MD!!! > >LOL > >Mike Marmer > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) >2c. Re: Vinyl Roadbed Posted by: "Jerry Matsick" jpmatsick@...   jpmatsick Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:48 pm (PDT) > Mike > I think you may ought to reconsider your roadbed, are these people not selling any > roadbed at all? Really doesn't what color it is, you are going to ballast the track? > Right? This company took about 6 weeks for my roadbed, but yours is taking > just too long? > > Jerry M > >Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > Yesterday Saturday it was too cold to go bike riding so we went to Frederick MD about 20 minutes from our home. > >We knew about a train shop in downtown Frederick since we saw their ads in Frederick Magazine. > >We find the place as it is in a industrial looking building, about a block of the main street of downtown Frederick, Market Street. > >We see that the place, the building is up for lease!!!!! Oh no, another independent to go out of business. > >We go into the shop anyway, and it was a wonderful train shop, nicely stock with allot of things. www.frederickjunction.com > >The owner, 69 year old John Hartman is a very friendly person who tells us he has been here since 1999 as a train shop. He owns the building and it used to be a shop selling fire extinguishers. > >He tells us we are his second customers all week, as we tell him we are S people as we know many shops do not carry S but we like to look anyway. You never know when you might get a idea. > >I told Linda right before we go in, that it is nice visiting these shops and telling them off the bat that we buy S products only. USUALLY, they have no S and we get to stroll around and leave with out spending a dime. Wrong today!! LOL > >He tells us he does have some S. > >He tells us he will make more money leasing the building out, as it is better than going bankrupt and losing everything. I is a matter of time before he closes. > >He had a wall behind him that was painted like a B&O Passenger car. > >We exchange train stories for about a hour, as his son kept calling him and he told him he would call back!!! Poor son! > >Anyway, I see he has a some S Helper train parts as I need a AF type couplers to replace them on a American Models box car kit I have to build that I got from Doug Peck in Wells Maine retail location in a Antique mall for $20 in 1993!!!! AM couplers do not go through my switches. Ben, we should of waited on mailing you the other AM's I have, as I will have another pair for from a York purchase from Joe Haenn, Duke fan, snicker, from a Cities Service tank car. > >Being new as a operator, I see he has three types of AF couplers replacements from S Helper. One for caboose, hopper or other. I chose other. Then I see he has several S Helper cars, as many of the parts and cars are in the older boxes and wraps from S Helper. They have been sitting here that long!! He has at least one out of print box car the Missouri Pacific look alike AF box car, which I missed out on and maybe a Canadian National Box car. I take those plus a Great Northern Caboose. The MP car was so old, it still had the old retail price of 39.95 on it. > >So, we get to the counter as I want to look at the couplers for the box cars to make sure I have the right one for the other car at home. > >As I am pulling the car out of the box, Linda goes "WOW, look at the detail of the underneath!" as S helper detail over all is so life like, as who would think to the bottom too. > >I wrote to Don Thompson owner of S Helper a good friend too, this story and I told him he should do a ad with Linda holding a box car upside down, looking at it, a grown woman, saying that!! > >Think of all the train ads you have seen, for those into trains, they are the same boring ads. > >This would be eye catching for Don and get the buyers attention real quick for many reasons. Okay, not for anything dirty!!!!!! Hey that my wife I am talking about. > >She would work for anything Chessie he has. > >Actually any female would work, but I think she should get first curtain call on this!!! > >I think it get a award for a "ad of the year" etc., as ads do get awards for cleverness, marketing appeal, etc. > >So, I do have the right couplers and we say our goodbyes, as we spent 165.00. Lunch was 28. > >Expensive day! LOL The Saturday before when we biked 30.6 miles in Western MD, I only spent a buck 89 on two apples at the local ACT gas station off of I-70 at Big Pool, MD!!! > >LOL > >Mike Marmer > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >Jerry Matsick >Jacksonville, Florida >TCA 04-57715 >NMRA > >--------------------------------- >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) >3a. Re: S trackwork Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@...   mlmarmer2000 Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:27 am (PDT) > I have switches at this time where nothing derails because nothing is moving here. > >Still no roadbed. > >Sigh! > >Mike Marmer > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas Stoltz > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc: mrstumpy@... > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:28 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] S trackwork > >Stumpy wrote: > >SHS turnouts have a moving frog which allows just about every > locmotive and car you can think of to run without derailing. I > believe this is the only turnout flexible enough to make this > claim. > >How soon they forget. > >Tom Stoltz > >Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork > Maine S Gaugers > NASG > ><http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) >4. AF Northern Sound Posted by: "HOwingsiii@..." HOwingsiii@... Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:16 pm (PDT) > Has anyone had a problem with the bell and whistle sound not working on the >new Northern by Lionel. Sound system works fine, battery replaced last fall, >little use since then. > >Harwood > >**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL >Home. >(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) >5a. Re: 355  AF  Baldwin conversion to can motor Posted by: "tomminil@..." tomminil@...   ss_sailor Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:16 pm (PDT) > Hello all I have a 355 Baldwin I want to convert from AF motor to a can >motor. How do I do this and whrere do I get the kit? Oh yes how much is kit? > > >Tom David 708.699.9148 PO Box 838 Lockport IL 60441 > >**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL >Home. >(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) >5b. Re: 355  AF  Baldwin conversion to can motor Posted by: "Donald Munsey Jr." dmunseyjr@...   bigswede073 Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:39 pm (PDT) > Contact SnS Trains at www.sns-trains.com > >Keep in touch! > >Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... >S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator >River Logging fan >Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan >Virginian Rwy fan >Bonsai grasshopper >Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > >----- Original Message ----- > From: tomminil@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com > Cc: pashrews255@... ; cookster1030@... ; jacangem@... ; tldilelo@... ; ralcor888@... ; RKnight6@... ; m6sful@... ; steve@... ; steve.conard@... > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 355 AF Baldwin conversion to can motor > >Hello all I have a 355 Baldwin I want to convert from AF motor to a can > motor. How do I do this and whrere do I get the kit? Oh yes how much is kit? > >Tom David 708.699.9148 PO Box 838 Lockport IL 60441 > >**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) >6a. SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/23/2008, 8:00 pm Posted by: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:55 pm (PDT) > Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/cal > >SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT >Sunday March 23, 2008 >8:00 pm - 12:00 am >(This event repeats every week.) >Location: http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 > >Notes: >Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus > >All Rights Reserved > Copyright © 2008 > Yahoo! Inc. >http://www.yahoo.com > >Privacy Policy: >http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us > >Terms of Service: >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) >7. "M2 Machines" Autos : SOURCES Posted by: "John Degnan" Scaler164@...   scaler164 Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:41 pm (PDT) > MessageI just got this e-mail reply from the manufacturers of the M2 Machines line of die-cast autos as to where these EXCELLENT cars are being retailed, and thought you all might find it interesting... especially the note at the end about Toys R Us as a soon-to-be stocker : > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Mena > To: scaler164@... > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:56 PM > Subject: RE: Retail Outlets? > >1 Stop Die Cast > email: info@... > www.1stopdiecast.com > >Milezone's Toys > email: sales @... > www.milezone.com > >Die Cast Direct > email: kevin_diecast@... > www.diecastdirect.com > >B2B Replicas > email: b2breplicas.com > www.b2breplicas.com > >ToysrUs will have product arpproximately the 3rd week of April. > >There will be other retailers coming on board later in the year. > >Thank you for your support and if there is anything else that you may need please let me know. > >Richard > >John Degnan >Scaler164@... > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) >8a. Re: looking for parts Posted by: "boss31@..." boss31@...   snstrains Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:25 pm (PDT) > Did you ever find the armature you were looking for. I have several... > > >In a message dated 02/17/2008 11:51:34 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, >A4S8B7@... writes: > >looking for parts >American flyer diesel #470 Armature /w worm gears >American flyer diesel #375 square pick up shoes > >can some post an audio file of what a #471 B-Unit is supposed to sound >like. Mine barley makes any noise I think that paper speaker needs to >be replaced. >If you have any of these parts and would like to sell contact me at >_A4S8B7@dsprototypinA4S8B_ (mailto:A4S8B7@...) >Thanks >Andy > >**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL >Home. >(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (4) >9. Find the S Scale Cat Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@...   mlmarmer2000 Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:26 pm (PDT) > While showing Linda the new S Helper cars on the track and how colorful the arrangement of the cars look, fashion has hit the train world, I was telling her that we could do a S scale find the cat theme. > >For example, on the checkerboard water tower I can take one very small cat and use my glue I got for gluing things lightly to a table and put him high up on one metal legs. > >Actually if I do that, I should wait to see if anyone notices this cat first. > >I promise no Lead paint free cat will be harmed in anyway. > >And to quote the song, My Little Town: > >"Nothing but the dead and dying >Back in My Little Town" as that is the way it is in my little town of no roadbed, no rails, no people and freight to move, no nothing but a bunch of cows and cats taking over the place. > >Oh, I do have one vintage 1950's Marx (By Marx's!) police man holding up his hand for what traffic I have no idea. > >Mike Marmer > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) >10. Re: DECC and reverse loops & wyes Posted by: "Don Thompson" don@...   dont08901 Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:55 am (PDT) > Dear Tom, > If you have your reverse loop on it's own booster, many of them will >automatically accomidate for a reverse loop. I think that Tony's Train >Exchange has a board that will do the same thing. >Best,' >Don > >> Tom Hawley <t.hawley@... <mailto:t.hawley%40comcast.net>> wrote: >> .....or DCC. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48480	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Electrical help needed

A couple of questions, please: (1) Recommendation(s) for a shop - preferably in Northern CA - who can/will service or rebuild a 22090 350W transformer? (2) I have a couple of "computer" power supply bricks. I am wondering whether they would be any good for powering such things as a string of lamp posts, etc? Input is normal household current, 110-120 VAC 50-60 HZ, noted as 0.70A, and presumably rated for continuous duty. Output is what concerns me - it is stated to be 16.7 VAC (which sounds OK) but the label also states "56VA". What does that mean, and would the units be usable? Thanks very much. Dick Hosmer Electrical Dummy Emeritus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48481	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Electrical help needed

Richard Hosmer wrote: > Output is what concerns > me - it is stated to be 16.7 VAC (which sounds OK) but the label also states > "56VA". What does that mean, and would the units be usable? The VA rating is just the volts multiplied by the amps. It means that particular power supply provides 16.7 volts at 3.35 amps. Should power a few light bulbs. For example, the 1447 miniature lamp is rated at 18 volts and .15 amps so the power supply would power 22 of them. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48482	From: Coopers	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [S-Trains] Electrical help needed

Hi I am new to this website but have been an AF operator on and off since a child. I have been shopping on Ebay and other places for AF items and have noticed a dealer claiming to be a transformer repair shop. See attached and look on Ebay for IFIXZWS I have a 22090 still going strong myself Hope that this info helps! Best Regards, Art ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Hosmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: [SPAM]Re: [S-Trains] Electrical help needed A couple of questions, please: (1) Recommendation(s) for a shop - preferably in Northern CA - who can/will service or rebuild a 22090 350W transformer? (2) I have a couple of "computer" power supply bricks. I am wondering whether they would be any good for powering such things as a string of lamp posts, etc? Input is normal household current, 110-120 VAC 50-60 HZ, noted as 0.70A, and presumably rated for continuous duty. Output is what concerns me - it is stated to be 16.7 VAC (which sounds OK) but the label also states "56VA". What does that mean, and would the units be usable? Thanks very much. Dick Hosmer Electrical Dummy Emeritus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48483	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Electrical help needed

Richard- Can't help with the shop in Northern California. But number two. For light bulb purposes the VA units are equal to watts so in this case .56 Watts and at 16.7 Volts and using the equation Watts = Volts x Amps, available amps will be about .033. Not enough to power even one typical toy train bulb. They typically need between .125 and .250 amps at the rated voltage. There is a reason toy train transformers are rated at lots of Watts - needed to power the bulbs as well as the motors and solenoids. Bill Drake --- Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> wrote: > A couple of questions, please: > > (1) Recommendation(s) for a shop - preferably in > Northern CA - who can/will > service or rebuild > a 22090 350W transformer? > > (2) I have a couple of "computer" power supply > bricks. I am wondering > whether they would be any good for powering such > things as a string of lamp > posts, etc? Input is normal household current, > 110-120 VAC 50-60 HZ, noted > as 0.70A, and presumably rated for continuous duty. > Output is what concerns > me - it is stated to be 16.7 VAC (which sounds OK) > but the label also states > "56VA". What does that mean, and would the units be > usable? > > Thanks very much. > > Dick Hosmer > Electrical Dummy Emeritus > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48484	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/13/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48485	From: Glenn	Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: READING RR MUSEUM

A visit on April 12, 2008 to the Reading RR Museum http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/RDG-RR-MUSEUM.html Stony Creek RR has a new photo of the Die Cast collectibles http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48486	From: Tim Benner	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restore - clear coat

Hi Larry, I will give the Future floor wax a try in a few days. I just wrinkled a nice paint job trying Krylon and spent the day stripping and repainting it... talk about frustrated. The Krylon overcoat worked great over Scalecoat on test plastic. But on the real thing it wrinkled in seconds. And the paint had cured for two weeks! Anyway, on to re-decaling. Do you spray the future right out of the bottle or thin it? What do you use as thinner? Thanks for your help! Tim On 4/9/08, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > Tim, I have had good luck on several projects with Future floor wax. If > you are airbrushing, clean your brush with ammonia to remove all residue. I > would try it on a test piece first to see if the smoke fluid affects it. Let > us know of the results if you try it. Thanks, Larry > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.comFrom>: > tim.benner@... <tim.benner%40gmail.comDate>: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 > 17:34:37 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] 356 restore - clear coat > > In the final stages of painting this once basket-case 356. A wise MVSG > member advised me to try Scalecoat II paint instead of Polly-S as the > Scalecoat dries to a gloss finish. It turned out perfectly! The decals are > on so it is time to seal them in... what gloss coat to use? I always > practice on scrap first to avoid unpleasant surprises. So I airbrushed clear > lacquer (Clearkote) over the Scalecoat II. No problem! Great huh?Not great! > Smoke fluid removes that stuff as fast as brake fluid. That was my second > test.I tried Plasti-cote and Krylon clear also. They are maybe a bit too > glossy and always produce an orange peel unless I put the paint on so thick > that it looks more like nail polish or decoupage. But they are impervious to > smoke fluid as is the Scalecoat II.So the current options are to leave the > decals unsealed or to use a Krylon type spray bomb. Maybe clear satin would > work or perhaps the gloss followed by some polishing compound to flatten the > orange peel.Has anyone encountered and found a solution?Thanks,Tim Benner > > __________________________________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. > > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48487	From: charlie and edith	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Floor Pin Question

Greetings! On the AF 642 Seaboard Box Car .... there are only two floor pins in opposing corners. There does not seem to be any evidence of removal of the other two .... did the cars come this way an oversight or .... ? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Best Wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48488	From: Mac	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4027

We will be on vacation through April 14th. We will get back to you shortly thereafter. Thanks. John "Mac" McAlonan Fire on the Ridge Farm Cel: 859-391-0209 E-Mail: macflyer0513@... web: www.fireontheridge.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48489	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks

Gene: My solution was to take telescoping Plastruct tubing of the appropriate diameters. One to fill the hole, and another to provide a truck mounting pin, then drill and tap for the mounting screw. Since my stuff is packed away from our yet-to-be-completed move, I couldn't tell you the diameters off hand. Of course, finding a local hobby shop that even HAS Plastruct tubing is an accomplishment in itself these days! Steve _____________________________________________________________ Stop collection calls. Click here to receive information on how to improve your credit. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieh7PFE9Yk7aNbzDqEzLTJfhZk0eS7NWxbmJ9Wt4UtPVlblB/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48490	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Shakey Sam

Good Morning All - I'm trying to salvage and restore a "Sam the Semaphore Man", whose semaphore post was broken off. I have the post and all parts, but it looks to me like it was originally force-fit into the sheet metal base and then the bottom of the post crimped over. Is this correct? I have not seen another Sam opened up so I don't know how they were originally mounted. Anyone had any success with other mounting processes? Expoxy? Soldering? There doesn't seem to be hardly any of the post base that protrudes through the sheet metal, so options are limited. What works? I have found repro lenses, repro sempahore arms, and repro activator rods ( the wire inside the post), but not the post itself. Are they available? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48491	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks

Gene; I use the SHS truck bolsters which you can purchase in a brake parts kit. They take a #1 screw, or you can drill them slightly for a #2 screw. They have mounting holes if you want to mount them with screws. Personally,,, I just super glue them to the original chasis. With the SHS truck installed the car is the same height it was previously. I place the bolster outward of the original truck mount hole such that the end wheels match where the original truck wheels end, and the finished cars match wheel positions with other SHS rolling stock. (since the SHS trucks have a shorter wheel base than AFG if you use the same center point the car ends hang out over the truck and look kinda funky) In using the SHS bolster I don't have to fiddle with cutting / shaping, etc., and, all I need is a piece of 1/2"x1/2"x1/8" wood to mount the kadees too, the kadees wind up at the correct height. This works with all AFG rolling stock I've converted so far, although some of the cars need an additional 1/16" on the kadee mount. (oil tankers, and the hopper) I've done about 40 cars now, work and roll super! cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ecphora123" <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Maybe this has been discussed before, but what method(s) work best to > mount SHS trucks on Flyer, IR, Marx or other non SHS freight cars? I > just purchased a pre Atlas Industrial Rail Santa Fe style caboose and > the truck mounting holes have a rather large diameter. Would simply > adding a brass tube of an appropriate internal and external diameter > work or is there a better way? > > Thanks, > Gene Cimino >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48492	From: Larry Moore	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: 356 restore - clear coat

Tim, I sprayed as is right from the bottle. Clean-up with ammonia. Let me know the result, good luck, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: tim.benner@...: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:45:26 -0400Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 356 restore - clear coat Hi Larry,I will give the Future floor wax a try in a few days. I just wrinkled anice paint job trying Krylon and spent the day stripping and repaintingit... talk about frustrated. The Krylon overcoat worked great overScalecoat on test plastic. But on the real thing it wrinkled in seconds.And the paint had cured for two weeks! Anyway, on to re-decaling.Do you spray the future right out of the bottle or thin it? What do you useas thinner?Thanks for your help!TimOn 4/9/08, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:>> Tim, I have had good luck on several projects with Future floor wax. If> you are airbrushing, clean your brush with ammonia to remove all residue. I> would try it on a test piece first to see if the smoke fluid affects it. Let> us know of the results if you try it. Thanks, Larry>> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.comFrom>:> tim.benner@... <tim.benner%40gmail.comDate>: Wed, 9 Apr 2008> 17:34:37 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] 356 restore - clear coat>> In the final stages of painting this once basket-case 356. A wise MVSG> member advised me to try Scalecoat II paint instead of Polly-S as the> Scalecoat dries to a gloss finish. It turned out perfectly! The decals are> on so it is time to seal them in... what gloss coat to use? I always> practice on scrap first to avoid unpleasant surprises. So I airbrushed clear> lacquer (Clearkote) over the Scalecoat II. No problem! Great huh?Not great!> Smoke fluid removes that stuff as fast as brake fluid. That was my second> test.I tried Plasti-cote and Krylon clear also. They are maybe a bit too> glossy and always produce an orange peel unless I put the paint on so thick> that it looks more like nail polish or decoupage. But they are impervious to> smoke fluid as is the Scalecoat II.So the current options are to leave the> decals unsealed or to use a Krylon type spray bomb. Maybe clear satin would> work or perhaps the gloss followed by some polishing compound to flatten the> orange peel.Has anyone encountered and found a solution?Thanks,Tim Benner>> __________________________________________________________> Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger.>> http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48493	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks

----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Dunlop I use the SHS truck bolsters . . . . . . . . . . . . This works with all AFG rolling stock. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > This sounds like the perfect way to do AFG freight cars. But have you tried it on the specific car that inspired the original question, the Industrial Rail caboose? Remember, the trucks on a caboose are usually a bit farther away from the ends than on ordinary freight cars. See http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf999364dgs.jpg which incidentally is more or less the type caboose the IR caboose represents - and comes painted for. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48494	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Shakey Sam

A good solder joint worked well on mine. Base is steel and post is brass so se flux for steel. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:01 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Shakey Sam Good Morning All - I'm trying to salvage and restore a "Sam the Semaphore Man", whose semaphore post was broken off. I have the post and all parts, but it looks to me like it was originally force-fit into the sheet metal base and then the bottom of the post crimped over. Is this correct? I have not seen another Sam opened up so I don't know how they were originally mounted. Anyone had any success with other mounting processes? Expoxy? Soldering? There doesn't seem to be hardly any of the post base that protrudes through the sheet metal, so options are limited. What works? I have found repro lenses, repro sempahore arms, and repro activator rods ( the wire inside the post), but not the post itself. Are they available? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48495	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Shakey Sam

Thanks Chuck. I'm not sure there's enough of the brass tube sticking through the sheet metal to get much of a bond, but I'll probably try it. Jim -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...> A good solder joint worked well on mine. Base is steel and post is brass so se flux for steel. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ensign Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:01 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Shakey Sam Good Morning All - I'm trying to salvage and restore a "Sam the Semaphore Man", whose semaphore post was broken off. I have the post and all parts, but it looks to me like it was originally force-fit into the sheet metal base and then the bottom of the post crimped over. Is this correct? I have not seen another Sam opened up so I don't know how they were originally mounted. Anyone had any success with other mounting processes? Expoxy? Soldering? There doesn't seem to be hardly any of the post base that protrudes through the sheet metal, so options are limited. What works? I have found repro lenses, repro sempahore arms, and repro activator rods ( the wire inside the post), but not the post itself. Are they available? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48496	From: G C	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks

Phil, Steve and Tom, I have read your comments. At this point, I believe as per Steve's suggestion, that the most straight forward solution is to simply fill in the oversize pre existing mounting hole on the caboose (or whatever car we are modifying) with Plastruc rod. Next drill a new centered hole in the filler rod appropriate for a 4-40 screw. Tom has offered that as the proper screw for mounting an SHS truck. I suppose one can center a drill bit sufficiently, but if this is not possible, then surely someone among the hi-rail community should be able to offer other ideas. Also, I believe this question once answered will be of use to many. Thanks, Gene ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48497	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)

What we do at SnS Trains is to use a stepped bushing that fits the hole and has a hole in it's center for a 4-40 bolt. We secure it on the top with an aircraft nut at just the right tension and it stays that way for good. It's the method we use in our track cleaning cars. We use the S-Helper tender trucks for current pickup to the motor. In a message dated 04/14/2008 7:12:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ecphora123@... writes: Phil, Steve and Tom, I have read your comments. At this point, I believe as per Steve's suggestion, that the most straight forward solution is to simply fill in the oversize pre existing mounting hole on the caboose (or whatever car we are modifying) with Plastruc rod. Next drill a new centered hole in the filler rod appropriate for a 4-40 screw. Tom has offered that as the proper screw for mounting an SHS truck. I suppose one can center a drill bit sufficiently, but if this is not possible, then surely someone among the hi-rail community should be able to offer other ideas. Also, I believe this question once answered will be of use to many. Thanks, Gene __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _http://mobile.http://mobhttp://mobile.<Whttp://mobile.<Wht_ (http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48498	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)

I'm usually pretty good at visualizing things, but in following this thred of converting to SHS trucks, I must admit, I'm lost without a picture. Has anyone shot some pix or a video of their favorite process? Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: boss31@... What we do at SnS Trains is to use a stepped bushing that fits the hole and has a hole in it's center for a 4-40 bolt. We secure it on the top with an aircraft nut at just the right tension and it stays that way for good. It's the method we use in our track cleaning cars. We use the S-Helper tender trucks for current pickup to the motor. In a message dated 04/14/2008 7:12:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ecphora123@... writes: Phil, Steve and Tom, I have read your comments. At this point, I believe as per Steve's suggestion, that the most straight forward solution is to simply fill in the oversize pre existing mounting hole on the caboose (or whatever car we are modifying) with Plastruc rod. Next drill a new centered hole in the filler rod appropriate for a 4-40 screw. Tom has offered that as the proper screw for mounting an SHS truck. I suppose one can center a drill bit sufficiently, but if this is not possible, then surely someone among the hi-rail community should be able to offer other ideas. Also, I believe this question once answered will be of use to many. Thanks, Gene __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _http://mobile.http://mobhttp://mobile.<Whttp://mobile.<Wht_ (http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48499	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Brief York report

IF you are using RT 30 thru Lancaster Co, be aware of the construction between Prospect Rd and Rt 441. The "Wizards at PENNDOT" suggest travelling in BOTH lanes until you reach the construction, which normally cause massive back-ups. MOST people today were entering the RIGHT hand lanes when they saw the first LEFT Lane Closed signs. Traffic flowed fairly well. Imagine that. Gas is still the least expensive in GAP, IF you are travelling Rt 30 thru there. Ranged from 3.259 to 3.279, 3.299 at Rockvale and higher the further West you travel. Been 3.359 in Ephrata and environs since last week. SAME trucks from SAME haulers, by the way. Didn't look like lots of goodies were travellling out the doors today, one dealer said he did well yesterday, hadn't seen a dollar by 1030 hours today. BTW, Prez Elect Clem is in at least 3 places at once at any given moment at the Holidome. BEST WESTERN, HOLIDOME, RELIANCE, SPRINGETTSBURY all open, assume Billy Budd still opens as well. Off to NTTM to get ready for the huge influx of members on Wednesday, hope to see you there. Jim Lyle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48500	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)

Jim; Since you asked, I put a photo in with my F3 DCC conversion album. The pic shows 4 cars on their backs, the outboard 2 are SHS cars, stock, with kadee's, the inside 2 are ACG cars converted to SHS trucks with my simple minded method, and kadees. (like it or not guys, it's my method and I like it because if you use the original mounting hole, the car ends hang over too far and look like british rail, not that I've got anything against british rail mind you.) Nice thing about this is, you all do your thing, I'll do my thing. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/c41e?b=4 Anyway, if you look at the pic, you'll see what I mean by the wheel base location in relation to the chasis end of the car. You can clearly see the original truck mount hole in the chasis, now visualize how the truck would look offset to this position if I used the original mount hole, funky man, especially when it's in a mixed string of cars, the conversions would stick out like a sore thumb, this way they fit right in. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > I'm usually pretty good at visualizing things, but in following this thred of converting to SHS trucks, I must admit, I'm lost without a picture. Has anyone shot some pix or a video of their favorite process? > Jim E. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48501	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks

Tom; Read the question? Who reads the question???? I've got some cabeese in the line up for conversion, they'll be soon. The AFG tank cars require some jockeying to get the end positioning of the trucks to match so they look right, they are set with more overhang than other cars, and it's easy to match up, I just note where the outside edge of the original wheels hit, and line the SHS trucks up to match. The SHS truck bolster can be positioned anywhere as required to match up and look proper. I even went out and looked at a real cabeese,,, not easy these days, to give me an idea where things sit. I like it, I posted a pick of some box car types. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phil Dunlop > I use the SHS truck bolsters . . . . . . . . . . . . This works with all AFG > rolling stock. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > This sounds like the perfect way to do AFG freight cars. But have you tried > it on the specific car that inspired the original question, the Industrial > Rail caboose? > > Remember, the trucks on a caboose are usually a bit farther away from the > ends than on ordinary freight cars. See > > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf999364dgs.jpg > > which incidentally is more or less the type caboose the IR caboose > represents - and comes painted for. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48502	From: G C	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)

Thanks Phil for sending the pics of your work. If I understand things, you are telling us that because of the large size of the original flyer (or what ever else) trucks, the original mounting hole is not the proper location for the smaller more to scale SHS trucks. That would make certainly make sense. As they always say "a picture is worth a thousand words". Gene ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48503	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks

> > Using SHS trucks & couplers on a piece of AF rolling stock, (No Mods) makes for very close coupling! As seen here: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_003/AF942+with+SHS+truckscouplers.JPG.html Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48504	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)

Hi Gene; Exactly. Original gilbert or brand x trucks, axle to axle distance is longer than SHS truck axle to axle distance, ergo,,,, if you mount them on the same center point, they don't look right. cheers phil d ps,,,, here's a video,,, except it's hard to pick out the ACG car conversions in there, but you can catch some, like the yello MKT car..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzWPccb1F6s --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Thanks Phil for sending the pics of your work. If I understand things, you are telling us that because of the large size of the original flyer (or what ever else) trucks, the original mounting hole is not the proper location for the smaller more to scale SHS trucks. That would make certainly make sense. As they always say "a picture is worth a thousand words". > > Gene > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48505	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)

> Exactly. Original gilbert or brand x trucks, axle to axle distance > is longer than SHS truck axle to axle distance, ergo,,,, if you mount > them on the same center point, they don't look right. > > Agreed. But I'm not that picky (and I'm lazy) so it doesn't bother me. :^) Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48506	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: SHS trucks install followup

I have had a couple of requests to explain the use of "stepped" bushings and "aircraft" nuts. I took a couple of pics of same and will gladly email them to anyone that wants to see what they are. If someone here wants to copy them and put them on the internet they are welcome to. I don't know how. We use the original hole in the frames for mounting along with Kadee #5 couplers. Don't see a problem there. Steve SnS Trains Boise **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48507	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Using SHS Trucks (The easiest solution)

Phil: Thank you! I see the difference and now I understand the "bolster" thing you guys have been talking about. Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> Jim; Since you asked, I put a photo in with my F3 DCC conversion album. The pic shows 4 cars on their backs, the outboard 2 are SHS cars, stock, with kadee's, the inside 2 are ACG cars converted to SHS trucks with my simple minded method, and kadees. (like it or not guys, it's my method and I like it because if you use the original mounting hole, the car ends hang over too far and look like british rail, not that I've got anything against british rail mind you.) Nice thing about this is, you all do your thing, I'll do my thing. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/c41e?b=4 Anyway, if you look at the pic, you'll see what I mean by the wheel base location in relation to the chasis end of the car. You can clearly see the original truck mount hole in the chasis, now visualize how the truck would look offset to this position if I used the original mount hole, funky man, especially when it's in a mixed string of cars, the conversions would stick out like a sore thumb, this way they fit right in. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > I'm usually pretty good at visualizing things, but in following this thred of converting to SHS trucks, I must admit, I'm lost without a picture. Has anyone shot some pix or a video of their favorite process? > Jim E. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48508	From: G C	Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: SHS trucks install followup

Just want to thank all for your posts and pictures. If anyone else has anything else to add we can certainly keep this discussion going for a bit. So far I have found it most helpful and informative. I realize that the topic has been sort of in between what is discussed here and on the Scale group, but I for one have appreciated the input. Gene ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48509	From: James Hannawald	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: SHS trucks install followup

Steve sent me a couple of photos of the "Stepped Bushings and "aircraft" nuts. I created an album that anyone can add to it with other adaptations. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/f744?c= Album is called SHS Trucks Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] SHS trucks install followup I have had a couple of requests to explain the use of "stepped" bushings and "aircraft" nuts. I took a couple of pics of same and will gladly email them to anyone that wants to see what they are. If someone here wants to copy them and put them on the internet they are welcome to. I don't know how. We use the original hole in the frames for mounting along with Kadee #5 couplers. Don't see a problem there. Steve SnS Trains Boise **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48510	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: It's that time again...

I never have to keep track of when the Spring and Fall York meets are...the hobby shop guys schedule me to work the shop for a week. They go deal trains and check out the manufacturers and I'm stuck at G & M Train & Hobby, while G. and his partner M. do York. One of these days, I'm going to break free and get there! I hope y'all have a good time and get plenty of good deals! And please keep the "home guard" up to date. Stumpy Stone...trapped in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48511	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Shakey Sam Lives!

Good Morning All - Spent several (frustrating) hours trying to get a good, sturdy repair on my semaphore post on the "Sam" I've been trying to get operational. Thanks to all of you that gave me some insights on methods that worked for you. First, I tried the simplest - soldering the post to the base. But there just wasn't enough post sticking through the base to get a good bond. Then, I added hex nut outside the post to give it something to sit in. I think that would have worked had I been able to get a good bond between the nut and the base. I tried solder and then silicone Goop, but ultimately that failed as well. I finally realized that I was going to have to have some sort of mechanical bond between the post and the base, not just some kind of adhesive or solder joint. After searching through the hardware selection at Lowe's, I finally came up with a solution that works, though cosmetically it might make true AF collectors cringe. But, hey -it was a junker from the start, so I had nothing to lose. I ended up using a 5/16" T nut with brad holes in it's flange. The ouside tube of the post is 1/4", so the post would slip inside the threaded section. It was a bit loose, but with a couple wraps of tape, the post could be threaded into the T nut tightly. No wobble. I needed to drill out the brad holes slightly to get a sheet metal screw through and used those holes to mark the holes in the base, which I drilled out next. I then used three black AF tender screws to fasten the base of the T nut to the semaphore sheet metal base. The resulting connection is very sturdy and doesn't flinch a bit when taking a bashing by the solenoid slide. I dissasembled the parts, gave them all a shot of satin black and after a few hours of drying time, I now have a functioning Sam the Semaphore Man. No, he's not factory-issue, but the trains don't know the difference - they stop for him just the same!! Just goes to show -- there's more than one was to skin a Sam. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48512	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???

If you go shopping for an "aircraft nut" at your local HD, Ace or Lowe's, etc, you will probably end up empty handed unless you ask for a "nylon lock nut". You still might get strange looks but at least they can look up nylon lock nut in the computer and maybe find the stock number and maybe actually find the nuts to! Good luck! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48513	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Putting SHS trucks on other manufacturers' cars.

It's the political season. Have you ever noticed that if a reporter or other citizen asks a politician a question that he or she does not want to answer, the politician will expound at length on something else, as if having been asked an entirely different question? A week or so ago Gene C asked if anyone had any idea how to put SHS trucks on an INDUSTRIAL RAIL (IR) CABOOSE. In case you missed it, the IR caboose was sold as "O-27 scale," which means it might be useful in S gauge. And when we checked it out, it was, for the price, about as close to S as could be hoped. It was not too wide for S, as so much O-27 stuff is. I am also interested in this question, since I have a certain quantity of them I hope to put S gauge trucks & couplers (T&C) on and sell. The question got lots of response, but as far as I could tell, not a single response addressed the IR caboose. There were several posts on how to put SHS trucks on AF freight cars, and the information was interesting. I had not considered using SHS's bolster, which I'm sure you can buy (even though it's not on their web pages) just by sending SHS an e-mail and asking. But only with a lot of plastic surgery can you put those SHS bolsters on the IR caboose. That's not the solution. My solution - The problem with the IR bottom is the very large hole the O-27 T&C assembly was attached thru. After experimenting with screws, nuts, & washers of various sizes, I decided the simplest thing to do was to fill the hole and start over. Step one - remove the end railings & ladders. Some were only a press-fit and just pop out, others seem to have been super-glued in and you have to possibly break the little pins to get them out. Step two - Assuming you've removed the O-27 T&C, put some tape on the bottom of the T&C holes, mix up some Epoxy and pour it in the holes from the top. Step three - When it's hardened, pull off tape and drill the right size hole for the screw you intend to use. 4-40 looks to be the right size for the SHS trucks. The SHS caboose truck has roller bearings. The AM caboose truck is of the older, plain journal bearing type and takes a smaller screw, a 2-56 I think. This is where I'm at right now. More later as I progress with the project. So much for the Industrial Rail caboose. For a little obiter dicta, read on. It's unfortunate ACE products are no longer available. Ace didn't have anything for the IR caboose, but it did have adaptations for many AF cars that one could use to add scale-type trucks, with highrail or scale wheels, to many AF cars. The distance in from the end for a truck is important, as one of us pointed out. And if you watch real trains go by, you may have noticed that an easy way of telling a 50 foot boxcar from a 60 is how far the trucks are in from the end. On a 50 foot boxcar, they are right up to the end, just like a 40 foot car, but the trucks on a 60 foot car are noticeably farther in. FWIW. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48514	From: John Degnan	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Putting SHS trucks on other manufacturers' cars.

Tom, This approach is valid, but I feel it is a bit more complicated than the similar approach I've come up with for accomplishing basically the same thing... filling the hole. Everyone, I use round, styrene tubing (available from www.plastruct.com and www.evergreenscalemodels.com) to far more easily accomplish the filling of holes in models. Tubing of the 1/8" outer diameter is EXACTLY the size needed to fit through the hole on the SHS truck-bolster and is VERY easily tapped/threaded to receive a screw using one of the four tap-and-drill sets from kadee. I have not seen one of these IR cabooses first hand, but I feel sure that the hole you're referring to is larger than the 1/8" tubing I'm recommending. But, these tubings are made to "telescope" into one-another, so the simple solution is to telescope the 1/8" tubing into a larger tubing (or tubingS if more than one is necessary) that has an OUTER diameter that most closely matches the INNER diameter of the hole. Reaming out the model's hole a but with file or drill may be necessary, but is easily done. I have offered to perform this exercise on the poster's model; if I do, I will take photos and post them to the group's photo section. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Putting SHS trucks on other manufacturers' cars. > Step two - Assuming you've removed the O-27 T&C, put some tape on the bottom of the T&C holes, mix up some Epoxy and pour it in the holes from the top. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48515	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???

Hi All -- Any good R/C (radio control) shop should have nylon lock nuts an sizes from 2-56 through 1/4-20 and 2mm through 5mm, usually in packages of 2 to 6 (fewer for the large sizes) ... Have fun! Bill Winans If you go shopping for an "aircraft nut" at your local HD, Ace or Lowe's, etc, you will probably end up empty handed unless you ask for a "nylon lock nut". You still might get strange looks but at least they can look up nylon lock nut in the computer and maybe find the stock number and maybe actually find the nuts to! Good luck! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48516	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Putting SHS trucks on other manufacturers' cars.

SO TRUE! Have fun! Bill Winans It's the political season. Have you ever noticed that if a reporter or other citizen asks a politician a question that he or she does not want to answer, the politician will expound at length on something else, as if having been asked an entirely different question? A week or so ago Gene C asked if anyone had any idea how to put SHS trucks on an INDUSTRIAL RAIL (IR) CABOOSE. The question got lots of response, but as far as I could tell, not a single response addressed the IR caboose. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48517	From: G C	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???

BG, Are these thingies also known as acorn nuts - or are they the ones that look more like a small cap? Thanks the info, Gene ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48518	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Know of any good connectors?

Hi, I like to customize/modify ACG steamers and other stuff. I am looking for some good engine to tender electrical connectors - different from the original types - for two and four wires. Of course, I will need the two ends - one for engine, one for tender. I have looked at Radio Shack and a couple places without success. The two prong connectors used on later ACG steamers would be fine if a suitable socket could be found for them to plug into. I just thought someone may have already found a source for some good connectors. Let me know... Thanks, Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48519	From: David Engle	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???

An "acorn nut" does not have the nylon locking collar, and usually does not have the top open so a bolt can pass all the way through it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48520	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Know of any good connectors?

Al; This will probably go over like a lead brick,,,, but here's what I use.... Standard NMRA 8 pin plug. You can use them as a male / female pair. I make a replacement cab back cover from stand electrical hobby perf board, the hole centers match the plug, you can glue the "female" end to the perfboard, and the "male" end on the wire bundle, then plug them together. I use it for my DCC conversions on the steamers, I've done 6 of them now, they all work out well. It's a very small unobtrusive connector. Finish it off with a little heat shrink and you're off and running. phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I like to customize/modify ACG steamers and other stuff. I am looking > for some good engine to tender electrical connectors - different from > the original types - for two and four wires. Of course, I will need > the two ends - one for engine, one for tender. I have looked at Radio > Shack and a couple places without success. The two prong connectors > used on later ACG steamers would be fine if a suitable socket could be > found for them to plug into. I just thought someone may have already > found a source for some good connectors. Let me know... > Thanks, > Al Baker > Portland, OR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48521	From: Glenn	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM

Here are some pictures of our April 16, 2008 visit to the National Toy Train Museum. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCAMEMORIES.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48522	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???

You're absolutely right BG! Went looking for an "aircraft" nut (I always heard them called "insert" nuts) at Lowe's today. I did find them, but the smallest size my store carries is 1/4". I then looked at loc-Tite thread loc, but they wanted $6.00 for a tiny tube of that. Ended up putting a drop of super glue on the 4/40 nut I was using. Still holding. Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Scale S Only" <scalesonly@...> Hi All -- Any good R/C (radio control) shop should have nylon lock nuts an sizes from 2-56 through 1/4-20 and 2mm through 5mm, usually in packages of 2 to 6 (fewer for the large sizes) ... Have fun! Bill Winans If you go shopping for an "aircraft nut" at your local HD, Ace or Lowe's, etc, you will probably end up empty handed unless you ask for a "nylon lock nut". You still might get strange looks but at least they can look up nylon lock nut in the computer and maybe find the stock number and maybe actually find the nuts to! Good luck! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48523	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???

The acorn nuts are the cap nuts... gale ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What??? BG, Are these thingies also known as acorn nuts - or are they the ones that look more like a small cap? Thanks the info, Gene __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48524	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Know of any good connectors?

Al, You might try some of the multi-wire connectors found on computer hardware (CD drives, etc). The speaker pigtails inside computer CPUs from the motherboard to the sound cards would probably work too. They have snap together connectors. I'm surprised you didn't see some of these at Radio Shack. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I like to customize/modify ACG steamers and other stuff. I am looking > for some good engine to tender electrical connectors - different from > the original types - for two and four wires. Of course, I will need > the two ends - one for engine, one for tender. I have looked at Radio > Shack and a couple places without success. The two prong connectors > used on later ACG steamers would be fine if a suitable socket could be > found for them to plug into. I just thought someone may have already > found a source for some good connectors. Let me know... > Thanks, > Al Baker > Portland, OR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48525	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???

Gene, These are just like common HEX nuts except they have nylon on one end that the bolt passes through and locks the nut on the bolt. Here's a nylon lock nut: http://store.nutsandbolts.com/nylonuco.html Here's a cap and an acorn nut: http://www.rjleahy.com/Techcenter/nuts/cap_nuts.htm BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > BG, > > Are these thingies also known as acorn nuts - or are they the ones that look more like a small cap? > > Thanks the info, > > Gene > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48526	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM

Looks like it has gotten quite a bit bigger than when we were there 27 years ago! Enjoyed the photos! Thanks! Bill Winans ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: A/S-Trains Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM Here are some pictures of our April 16, 2008 visit to the National Toy Train Museum. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCAMEMORIES.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48527	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Know of any good connectors?

Hi Al and All -- Again, look to your R/C supplier. Radio control small parts have EXCELLENT gold plated, color coded, prewired, keyed, multi pin connectors that are also reasonably small. Usually cost about $5 per side, but for the good stuff, it is worth it. Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ Hi, I like to customize/modify ACG steamers and other stuff. I am looking for some good engine to tender electrical connectors - different from the original types - for two and four wires. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48528	From: Firewood	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???

An' if ya really want it to never come off, get Stover nuts. These have the metal deformed at the head of the nut so as to grip like a bulldog. Guaranteed to stay fastened even in a 20 volt AC meltdown.... http://www.minitmansupply.com/Products/LineCard/fasteners.htm Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48529	From: G C	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft Nut - You Wanna What???

Thanks to all, gene ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48530	From: John Degnan	Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: ATTN : Jeff English

Jeff, Please contact me off-list at scaler164@... Thanks. John Degnan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48531	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Truck replacement

At one time there was discussion of when/if the Flyonel cars would be switching over to the K-Line S gauge trucks. As the thread on replacing vintage AF trucks with SHS trucks has run its course, I was wondring if anyone has gotten a 2008 Flyonel car with the K-Line trucks, indicating that we might be able to get them as a replacement part(?). I searchied the Lionel website, but it doesn't seem to show any replacement trucks, either under the Flyer name or K-Line name. I'm wondering if the K-Line truck might be a direct, no-alterations- needed replacement? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48532	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: York Report (from Strasburg)

BEAUTIFUL DAY in Strasburg at NTTM. Frost on the ground at 0630 when Mr Herr and I arrived at NTTM to "set the cones" to reserve the parking spaces we required for the days activities. On to the RED CABOOSE for breakfast (GREAT food BTW) with most of the crew, then we hit the ground running to finish set-up. SHUTTLE arrived at 0900 and ran on a prox 15 minute headway til 1800. Missed most of the activities inside, but, once again was privileged to present for S-HELPER SERVICE from 1200 til 1400. Several of the "faithful" "S" guys showed up, Glenn Ritter took and posted pics for all to get an idea of the NTTM "Open House". Thanks to Glenn we've got pics fast. _http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCAMEMORIES.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCAMEMORIES.html) The "Parking Crew", volunteers all, were on their feet from 0800 til 1730, on the asphalt, helping members find parking for their cars, without much incident. Many of our guests availed themselves of the SHUTTLE, parking at one of our other four sites, Strasburg Railroad, Choo Choo Barn, Railroad Museum Of Pennsylvania or the Red Caboose Motel. I met the "new kid" at LIONEL, Mike Reagan, got to say "HI" to Anna Hartman from WEAVER, Mike Wolf from MTH, The "Bear Girls" from Boyds', Nick Ladd & J Don Reese from LIONEL, many "old time" TCA politicos and a host of others. I had to apologize to J Don because I forgot WHY I was supposed to give him a bad time. STILL don't remember, has to be SOMEthing they did with Flyonel. The entire NTTM effort is put on by a tremendously SMALL group of NTTM Volunteer Committee members. Hundreds and hundreds of hours of volunteer time went into the making the Open House interesting, inviting and informative. The only pay they get is the THANKS you give. See you on the Fairgrounds. Jim "tired on the Pennsy Main" Lyle **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48533	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Mark Boyd Visit

Mark Boyd and his TCA friend Jack Rogers, as I think that was his name came by this morning to see my AF collection and where my layout is at this time. Mark is the editor of the TCA Quarterly magazine, as we have done some emails from time to time, as he lives near Oakland, CA. They landed at Dulles Airport in VA at about 6:30 am taking a all nighter out of CA. They got here a little before 9. We spent about as much time looking at the trains as we did my 200 plus milk bottles. LOL And then we had to get past the Washington Senators collectables in the stairway going down to the train room, with a big 8 x 11 picture, autographed, of Frank Howard, the big star for the Senators from 1965 to 1971, when they moved to Texas. The picture is of Hondo in a LA Dodger uniform as he was the NL Rookie of the year in the late 50's and had a key hit in a 1962 World Series game for the Dodgers. He belong to my swimming pool in 1966 and 1967. Anyway, they got to see the layout on the massive grid table I made, which is 12'3" x 8'9". He like the Classic Track I have and the switches as he knows Nick and Tom the owners. I showed them the roadbed sample I have, as I told them that Vinyl is going to sent me a new roadbed not made from re-cycled vinyl. I showed them the AF collection on the wall, as all of my pieces are E+ to mint. Then I ran the S Helper engines I have, steamer, and did all the RR sounds they make using the DCC system. I think they where pretty impressed with the S Helper engines, as for all the O people I am sending this to, as I am no longer on the TTML, Mark said, "Why doesn't Lionel have something like this!". I thought that was great, as I have no idea what Lionel have for sounds and electrical control like DCC. And yes, I did show them the 8 S scale cats. I think Linda is on the look out for more, so no, please, don't mark them up, because I am sure she is the only one at York who will buy them. Better yet, put them away, please. I am still trying to recover from all the 35 dollar phone booths she had to have in 1992, as the phone booth market has crashed. I think I will load up that old red 1950's phone booth at the fairgrounds, at York, on the van and take it home for her!!! Oh what the heck, she is worth it! Well, getting packed now, to be on the road by 6 am, breakfast at Perkins in Gettysburg and on to York by 9. And all my shopping is mostly done, as I have pick ups with 4 vendors!!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48534	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: York Thursday Footnote

LOTS of white hair (IF there was hair) on this day. LOTS of scooters, canes, etc (myself included). Realizing Thursday is a school day, still very, very few children. WE HAVE GOT A PROBLEM.. Jim Lyle **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48535	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Thursday in York.

ANOTHER beautiful day in Central PA. Arrived in York early enough to return the SHS samples to the crew. Found my way to the "Purple Hall" just before opening. The National Anthem played, the obvious veterans EITHER placed their hands or their caps over their hearts, thankfully most of the rest stood quietly. That was different. The doors opened, the throngs entered in, or a reasonable facsimile. LOADS of mdse on the tables, didn't appear as tho many large purchases were leaving altho one of the "S" guys said he was having a good day. At least one of my dealer buddies was moving goodies fast in the Purple Hall. Seemed as tho the "Shupps" pricing method was once again in effect. Many people were talking about seeing the same mdse on the same tables for years with steadily escalating prices. All that does is increase box wear. I continually hear the theory that lower prices would mean more sales, therefore turning more mdse which means more dollars moving. The CRAZY stuff I hear as a "student" of the human condition. The TRAINWORLD/TRAINLAND crew did smile when I asked if "Bobbie Boccula's" visit had increased their tourist traffic. Seemed to be a large crowd, some talking of Thursday PM becoming very important to their overall sales strategy (stratEEgerie??) Many talking about the economy and its' general direction, Wednesday Lionel crew spoke about the effect Chinese inflation is and will be going to have on the market. BTW, the Toy Trades Mags predicted BEFORE Toy Fair in Feb that prices would rise at LEAST 30% by November. Bet that's low. Maybe I got a few tips on some new production ideas, of course sworn to secrecy, couldn't pry the info out of me with one cup of coffee and one Maple donut. Not ONE.. Once again the Crab Cakes were good, BIG Bob is still in "Fairgrounds Hell" for telling a TV crew his thoughts on a Fairgrounds promotion. Yikes, truth can hurt. Friday AM finds John Luppino, Ops Mgr, entertaining in the Cafeteria (WORLDS most expensive breakfast, in York) plus I'm sure we'll see Clem Tully (the OTHER Clem) and a host of others. If you're in the Cafeteria from 0700 til 0830, drop by and say HI!!! We'll be close to the coffee(?) pots. A downside, I understand Prez Elect Clem has been scheduled into a meeting at that time. Jim "still Yorkin' from the Keystone Main" Lyle **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48536	From: william cole	Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: York Thursday Footnote

Thanks for the reports Jim. It's tough to have kids come to a show during the week! It's tough to get time off of work during the week! The hobby as a whole seems to concentrate on using up all of the little vacation time available.... Uh, could that feed into the problem? Still deciding if I play hookey from work to get to York for 2 hours, then go back to work for the afternoon shift, then back to York on Saturday in hopes that dealers stay open until 2pm.... the oil companies win with this strategy! Bc --- WJJIM@... wrote: > LOTS of white hair (IF there was hair) on this day. > LOTS of scooters, canes, > etc (myself included). Realizing Thursday is a > school day, still very, very > few children. > > WE HAVE GOT A PROBLEM.. > > Jim Lyle > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest > site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48537	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Re: Know of any good connectors?

Thanks to the several of you that replied with ideas. I'll be checking them out! I appreciate it. Al Baker Portland, OR > > Hi, > I like to customize/modify ACG steamers and other stuff. I am looking > for some good engine to tender electrical connectors - different from > the original types - for two and four wires. > Al Baker > Portland, OR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48538	From: Michael Greene	Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: 4/17/2008 - 2008 NASG National Convention Update

To all interested parties From: NASG 2008 National Convention Committee Here's some updates as of 17 April 2008 for the NASG 2008 National Convention. Please watch our web site (http://www.nasg2008.com) for the very latest updates. 1) CONVENTION HOTEL - Room reservations are brisk, but there are still rooms available. We recommend you book your reservation now for availability at the convention rate ... 2) MOXIE CONVENTION CARS - #2008 is sold out - no further orders are being accepted; #1876 is almost sold out - still taking orders, first come first served 3) TOURS sold out: - Saturday Layout Tour 4) TOURS almost sold out: - Mt. Washington Cog Railway trip 5) AUCTIONS! AUCTIONS! Both a Silent Auction and a Live Auction are planned -- bring your items to sell and checkbook to buy...and of course our auctioneer for the Live Auction (to be held immediately after the Banquet) will keep you on the edge of your seat! 6) MODEL CONTEST - Don't forget to bring your models for the Model Contest -- full contest details are on the web site; Photo contest entry form is now available on the web site; Model contest entry form will be on the web site shortly. 7) MONTHLY DRAWING WINNERS - Check the web site! 8) DEALER HALL - Space still available, don't forget to send in your reservation form 9) SINGLE DAY REGISTRATIONS - Available for THURSDAY (NASG members only) or SATURDAY (anyone) - provides Clinics and vendor hall access only. See the web site for more details -- SINGLE DAY Registration Form now available on the web site. 10) LAYOUT TOURS -- see feature article in May/June S GAUGIAN, layout tour highlights article in April NASG DISPATCH, and web site for more information on layout tours 11) CLINICS -- 26 Clinics (rail and non-rail) currently scheduled plus 4 Hallway Demonstrations. More details in the April NASG Dispatch and on the web site. We look forward to seeing you August 5-10 in Lowell, MA!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48539	From: roninscho9	Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: American Flyer collectable cards

I just found this site that is selling collectable pictures / cards of American Flyer trains . check it out at www.patrixcollectables.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48540	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Yorkin' on Friday

Bright and early (0700) we found that the cafeteria now opens at 0730. Guess they compensated for the lost half hour by raising the prices. Joined John Luppino, Clem Tullly and G/S Zach, Stu Rankin of TTML fame, Lloyd and Norma Taaffe and several others. NO Clem to Prime us, we had been warned, the pressures of high office demanding meetings at 0700 on a York Friday. Clem Tulley did share a photo of Clem Clement wearing his NEW official Donut Police badge, apparently Clem made the presentation in front of Orange Hall on Thursday. 0900 found "hordes" streaming into every building on the land, or, is that part of a movie trailer?? Got thru all the halls one time, several more than once. Still didn't see huge amounts heading out doors, altho, apparently they are still requiring payment for items to leave the buildings ( or so the announcements said). Was invited to the OGR forum meeting, most of the BIG guns were there, each made a short presentation, some expressed their love for Mike Reagan, recently having moved from his own company (Train America Studios) to Lionel. That brought laughs. Picked up goodies here and there as the day went on, nothing major, and headed to dinner. GREAT meal, as always, interesting that normally there is standing room outside til 9 PM, this time empty tables at 7 PM. Saturday Hillary comes to York, Barack to Lancaster (on AMTRAK) trafiic ought to be interesting all day. Jim " more tired on the Keystone Main" Lyle **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48541	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Thursday in York.

All Jim says is true. This York thing is like a vacation two times each year...no matter what! I bought very little. I consider myself to be in the "maintenance" stage of collecting...that is maintaining the collection I have amassed. I have nothing truly rare or overly valuable, and all of my stuff is operator grade. Adding more rolling stock for me means adding extra wheels to clean because I actually run the stuff. The collectible stuff is too expensive for me anyway, so I have reverted to buying AM and S-Helper rolling stock in old Flyer paint schemes when I feel I really need to. That has become fewer and further between. I mostly buy parts to, like I said, maintain my current fleet. LIONEL missed the boat BIG TIME by NOT having a living, breathing mock up of the Big Boy to answer S gaugers' questions. That was the low point of the show for me. The high points...seeing THREE orange AF Shell tank cars on one table ($999 each) and seeing the Buddy L coaling tower in Silver Hall. It was huge, heavy, and $1200. If only I ever played the lottery. Tired and sore from two days, hope all have a good time there tomorrow! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48542	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer collectable cards - ????????

Ron, I visited this site and checked out every page I could find. I still don't have a clue what he is selling. There is one AF card and he lists a set of 6. Is this six of the same card? Six different cards? What size are these cards? His custom cards seem to be 5" x 7". The site also says only two AF sets per year???????? Do you know what this guy is actually selling? Thanks, BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "roninscho9" <ronnat@...> wrote: > > I just found this site that is selling collectable pictures / cards of > American Flyer trains . check it out at www.patrixcollectables.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48543	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer collectable cards - ????????

that was the only card I could see too , So I e mailed them & was told there will be 6 cards avalible in the first run , but for some reason only 1 is showing right now , as this site is new & is having growing pains & will show the other cards soon,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48544	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Repairing truck side plates

It's been a while since I've had to make some repairs to cars with the sintered iron sideplate trucks. Now I got a large quantity of trucks with missing sideplates that need repaired. The last time I did it I removed the truck, drilled a tiny hole through the metal and into the sideplate, and tapped the sideplate for a 2-56 screw. It works, but isn't completely invisible and takes a lot of time. Anyone got any better methods to re-attach the sideplates so they won't fall off again?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48545	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/20/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48546	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: The TRAIN

In a message dated 4/19/2008 2:02:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Loizeaux@... writes: PS: Did'ja notice Obama is taking the train today! The TRAIN passed by my home on the KEYSTONE MAIN this PM and Lovely Linda and I were fortunate enough to get a return wave from the Candidate and two others on the rear platform of GEORGIA (on the letterboards) No nothing else of the car so far. The consist had AMTRAK mud-rockets 99 on point, 98 following, 3 Amfleet coaches and the Heavyweight Observation in Royal Blue. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48547	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Saturday at York

Definitely more relaxed day, lots of TCA'ers on the Fairgrounds, most tables still filled. Talked to folks who did well and two in the Orange Hall, side by side, who are not coming back. Others claiming to have done well, still others packing it in. Evolution, I think it is called. DID find one Flyer passenger car to complete a set to be displayed in the future at NTTM. Added to my Flyer and Lionel parts assortments. Placed some orders, picked up some goodies, etc. LocoDave found Lionel parts he needed at Pride Lines, go figure. ChooChuck found a few parts and some sandwiches. Didn't think Fred could spell Lionel ( he went to school with Gordon Wilson) but he was buying Lionel parts, for his Flyer collection???? Meeting and greeting old friends and making new has to be the REAL highlight of this craziness. The most intesting TRAIN part of the day was watching the AMTRAK consist of Barack Obama pass by the house on the KEYSTONE MAIN and waving to and receiving a wave in return from the Candidate on the rear platform of the Royal Blue Observation car with GEORGIA on the letterboards. Got to mix 1/43-1/64 with 12" to the ft, ALL in one day. Have to go board up the windows and doors now to keep the real world at bay. Jim "back to livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48548	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you

I won a item on ebay this evening and the seller says he ships to US, not a problem I thought as he has the item available to all buyers worldwide. I won the item, or thought I had, only to find that the seller doesn't ship outside the US, which I knew. I replied that it was going to be shipped within the US and therefore meets all the criteria set out by him. Oh no, he said that he still couldn't sell to me as I'm outside the US and promptly gave it to the next guy. He also cited that the paperwork takes too long and the costs are higher. The paperwork takes about a minute of extra time and the cost has no bearing on it at all. I'm writing this with a confused and frustrated mind. It's a good job I am not as narrow minded as this seller for all the train and non train bits I ship to the US. Regards, Neil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48549	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 4/20/2008
Subject: Re: The TRAIN

If anybody got a picture of the Obama train let me know... or has a site with it let me know. I assume a Philly paper will have it... --- On Sat, 4/19/08, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: > From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] The TRAIN > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, s-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 19, 2008, 5:10 PM > In a message dated 4/19/2008 2:02:49 PM Eastern Standard > Time, > Loizeaux@... writes: > > PS: Did'ja notice Obama is taking the train today! > > The TRAIN passed by my home on the KEYSTONE MAIN this PM > and Lovely Linda and > I were fortunate enough to get a return wave from the > Candidate and two > others on the rear platform of GEORGIA (on the > letterboards) No nothing else of > the car so far. The consist had AMTRAK mud-rockets 99 on > point, 98 following, 3 > Amfleet coaches and the Heavyweight Observation in Royal > Blue. > > Jim Lyle > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48550	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 4/20/2008
Subject: Re: NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM

Great pictures. Saw this 20 years ago - it has grown a lot... --- On Wed, 4/16/08, Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> wrote: > From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2008, 4:06 PM > Looks like it has gotten quite a bit bigger than when we > were there 27 years ago! > Enjoyed the photos! > Thanks! > Bill Winans > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Glenn > To: A/S-Trains > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:03 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM > > > Here are some pictures of > our April 16, 2008 visit > to the National Toy Train Museum. > > http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCAMEMORIES.html > > Glenn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48551	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 4/20/2008
Subject: Flyer Fest West update

Hi All, This is a reminder and update for Flyer Fest West next month, May 17th, 2008 at The Crowne Plaza Hotel in Union City, CA, 94587. The early bird deadline is April 25th if received by that time. Late registration will be $15.00 and available at the door. At this time the cars are all sold out. We will have one reverse color scheme tank car for the silent auction during the day and another for the evening auction at the Banquet. Also, over 70 tables have already been sold at this time. There will be at least one clinic, maybe 2. The banquet is still open for additional reservations with 34 presently signed up. There will be train races in the afternoon. On Sundays Niles Canyon Railroad Ride and Tour, we have 18 people signed up at this time with this event still open for additional sales at $8.00 per person. The storage yard tour at Brightside will be hosted by Pete Goodier, a member of GGAFC and Niles Canyon Railway. The train departs the Sunol station at 1:30pm. Niles was the Northern California movie scene for many silent movies including Charlie Chaplin and many westerns were also filmed here. For any questions, please contact the registrar: Mike Stanton 925-229-4123 FFW2008@... Po Box 1643 Martinez, Ca, 94553

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48552	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/20/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you

Well, I'm not sure what to think about that! I guess a seller has certain rights to do what they do, however I think you should contact eBay about the situation. Good luck. Rick. > I won a item on ebay this evening and the seller says he ships to > US, not a problem I thought as he has the item available to all > buyers worldwide. > > I won the item, or thought I had, only to find that the seller > doesn't ship outside the US, which I knew. I replied that it was > going to be shipped within the US and therefore meets all the > criteria set out by him. Oh no, he said that he still couldn't sell > to me as I'm outside the US and promptly gave it to the next guy. He > also cited that the paperwork takes too long and the costs are > higher. The paperwork takes about a minute of extra time and the > cost has no bearing on it at all. > > I'm writing this with a confused and frustrated mind. It's a good > job I am not as narrow minded as this seller for all the train and > non train bits I ship to the US. > > Regards, > > Neil > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48553	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/20/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/20/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48554	From: David	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Whistle Billboard #566 part needed

I hope someone here can help me.....I have a AF whistle billboard #566. I'm trying to find part number "PA9575 worm bushing". I tried RFGCO and they don't have it. Would someone know where else I can try or if someone has an extra worm bushing around they would be willing to sell? Thanks afironhorse

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48555	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you

If the seller has stated in his auction that he does not ship outside the US, then those are the rules. If someone wishes to bid, the seller should be contacted to determine if he would be willing to send overseas. The coordination required to ship anything outside the US requires much more legwork to the seller, and at times the seller might consider this. I recently had an auction purchased from Australia, and I had clearly stated that I do not ship outside the US, I found out that the winning bidder was from abroad upon completion of the auction. It took two trips to the post office, first to weigh the item and determine costs, then inform the buyer of the shipping costs for total cost of item and shipping. It was a added trip that no compensation was provided, so if it is stated in the auction, I believe bidders should honor the rules of the auction, or make arrangements prior to bidding. My two cents. Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL In a message dated 4/20/2008 12:25:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bassflyer@... writes: Well, I'm not sure what to think about that! I guess a seller has certain rights to do what they do, however I think you should contact eBay about the situation. Good luck. Rick. > I won a item on ebay this evening and the seller says he ships to > US, not a problem I thought as he has the item available to all > buyers worldwide. > > I won the item, or thought I had, only to find that the seller > doesn't ship outside the US, which I knew. I replied that it was > going to be shipped within the US and therefore meets all the > criteria set out by him. Oh no, he said that he still couldn't sell > to me as I'm outside the US and promptly gave it to the next guy. He > also cited that the paperwork takes too long and the costs are > higher. The paperwork takes about a minute of extra time and the > cost has no bearing on it at all. > > I'm writing this with a confused and frustrated mind. It's a good > job I am not as narrow minded as this seller for all the train and > non train bits I ship to the US. > > Regards, > > Neil

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48556	From: Coopers	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Whistle Billboard #566 part needed

Hi afironhorse Saw your message Try Tom at Triple S Supplies http://www.ssstrains.com/default.htm . A search on Google for your part revealed that he may have a solution. Triple S Supplies - Parts Search PA13A187, CHASSIS BEARING (REPLACES PA9575), $2.50. PA13A193REPRO, SILHOUETTE SET FOR 953 LEFT & RIGHT (REPRO), $4.50. PA13A203REPRO, SILHOUETTES SET FOR ... www.ssstrains.com/part_test_paging.asp?PartNumber=ALL&page=59 - 19k - Cached - Email him for availability and price at Seccia@... Good Luck! Art Richardson ----- Original Message ----- From: David To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Whistle Billboard #566 part needed I hope someone here can help me.....I have a AF whistle billboard #566. I'm trying to find part number "PA9575 worm bushing". I tried RFGCO and they don't have it. Would someone know where else I can try or if someone has an extra worm bushing around they would be willing to sell? Thanks afironhorse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48557	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Whistle Billboard #566 part needed

PA9575....available, Dave. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48558	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Railtruck

More popular on narrow gauge lines than standard gauge was the railtruck or railbus. But I decided my short line, the Rock Ridge Railway, should have one. This started out as a Putt Trolley kit. I used the chassis, but nothing else, though I had originally wanted to use part of the Trolley body. The cab is from a Hartoy truck which had given up it's chassis for a stretched logging truck (I save everything.) The bed is scratchbuilt to fit the chassis and cover the motor which is verticle. I still needed a bit more height, so I did some top bows and covered them with used clothes dryer sheets for a tarp. Previously I had built a railtruck in On30 using a diecast Yat-Ming 34 Ford pick up and a Bachmann HO Trolley chassis. It needed a tarp too, but I used a piece of old t-shirt. The cloth seemed to big, so I tried the dryer sheet this time. It wasn't quite right either, and I had to put many coats of paint on it to make it look right. Pictures (as promised on Chat last night) are in the Basher Stumpy album in the Photos section here on S Trains. It runs well and I'll be running it at the Spree in a couple of weeks. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48559	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you

Tom you missed the point. The buyer was not asking him to ship it overseas - he was asking the seller to ship it to a US address from where someone would on ship it. No trip to the post office to recalculate costs or fill in customs forms. The buyer should contact eBay as refusing to sell to a buyer for local shipment is a breach of contract. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TWesthelle@... Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:29 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you If the seller has stated in his auction that he does not ship outside the US, then those are the rules. If someone wishes to bid, the seller should be contacted to determine if he would be willing to send overseas. The coordination required to ship anything outside the US requires much more legwork to the seller, and at times the seller might consider this. I recently had an auction purchased from Australia, and I had clearly stated that I do not ship outside the US, I found out that the winning bidder was from abroad upon completion of the auction. It took two trips to the post office, first to weigh the item and determine costs, then inform the buyer of the shipping costs for total cost of item and shipping. It was a added trip that no compensation was provided, so if it is stated in the auction, I believe bidders should honor the rules of the auction, or make arrangements prior to bidding. My two cents. Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL In a message dated 4/20/2008 12:25:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bassflyer@charter. <mailto:bassflyer%40charter.net> net writes: Well, I'm not sure what to think about that! I guess a seller has certain rights to do what they do, however I think you should contact eBay about the situation. Good luck. Rick. > I won a item on ebay this evening and the seller says he ships to > US, not a problem I thought as he has the item available to all > buyers worldwide. > > I won the item, or thought I had, only to find that the seller > doesn't ship outside the US, which I knew. I replied that it was > going to be shipped within the US and therefore meets all the > criteria set out by him. Oh no, he said that he still couldn't sell > to me as I'm outside the US and promptly gave it to the next guy. He > also cited that the paperwork takes too long and the costs are > higher. The paperwork takes about a minute of extra time and the > cost has no bearing on it at all. > > I'm writing this with a confused and frustrated mind. It's a good > job I am not as narrow minded as this seller for all the train and > non train bits I ship to the US. > > Regards, > > Neil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48560	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you

***If the seller has stated in his auction that he does not ship outside the US, then those are the rules.*** > > Agreed. But Neil stated: "I replied that it was going to be shipped within the US and therefore meets all the criteria set out by him" Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48561	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Whistle Billboard #566 part needed

I can think of two places I would check: [1] Port Lines Hobbies http://www.portlines.com/ [2] Hobby Surplus http://www.hobbysurplus.com/ Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:23 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Whistle Billboard #566 part needed I hope someone here can help me.....I have a AF whistle billboard #566. I'm trying to find part number "PA9575 worm bushing". I tried RFGCO and they don't have it. Would someone know where else I can try or if someone has an extra worm bushing around they would be willing to sell? Thanks afironhorse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48562	From: David	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Whistle Billboard #566 part needed

Thanks for the info. I put an order in at Port lines. afironhorse --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > PA9575....available, Dave. > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application% 20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> > www.flyerparts.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application% 20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48563	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you

Tom, I contacted the seller and said that I wanted it shipped to a friend in the US, he still refused, I didn't want it shipped overseas at this point Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: TWesthelle@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you If the seller has stated in his auction that he does not ship outside the US, then those are the rules. If someone wishes to bid, the seller should be contacted to determine if he would be willing to send overseas. The coordination required to ship anything outside the US requires much more legwork to the seller, and at times the seller might consider this. I recently had an auction purchased from Australia, and I had clearly stated that I do not ship outside the US, I found out that the winning bidder was from abroad upon completion of the auction. It took two trips to the post office, first to weigh the item and determine costs, then inform the buyer of the shipping costs for total cost of item and shipping. It was a added trip that no compensation was provided, so if it is stated in the auction, I believe bidders should honor the rules of the auction, or make arrangements prior to bidding. My two cents. Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL In a message dated 4/20/2008 12:25:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bassflyer@... writes: Well, I'm not sure what to think about that! I guess a seller has certain rights to do what they do, however I think you should contact eBay about the situation. Good luck. Rick. > I won a item on ebay this evening and the seller says he ships to > US, not a problem I thought as he has the item available to all > buyers worldwide. > > I won the item, or thought I had, only to find that the seller > doesn't ship outside the US, which I knew. I replied that it was > going to be shipped within the US and therefore meets all the > criteria set out by him. Oh no, he said that he still couldn't sell > to me as I'm outside the US and promptly gave it to the next guy. He > also cited that the paperwork takes too long and the costs are > higher. The paperwork takes about a minute of extra time and the > cost has no bearing on it at all. > > I'm writing this with a confused and frustrated mind. It's a good > job I am not as narrow minded as this seller for all the train and > non train bits I ship to the US. > > Regards, > > Neil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 19/04/2008 11:31 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48564	From: michael prell	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you

Take a deep breath, Let it out slowly and relax. And remember; this guy's from Australia! Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: ***If the seller has stated in his auction that he does not ship outside the US, then those are the rules.*** > > Agreed. But Neil stated: "I replied that it was going to be shipped within the US and therefore meets all the criteria set out by him" Rick. Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48565	From: Grant	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you

I sold a train to a gentlemen in Hong Kong. The name he went by was very English - Something like John Smith. The nearest US PO to my house is very slow - and this was near xmas so it took hours in standing in line. I saved a step by finding out the postage and sending it to 'John Smith' at the same time. I found out later that wasn't his real name and just about got 'sent back to sender' because of the wrong name One of the joys of worldwide sending! Grant --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > > Well, > I'm not sure what to think about that! I guess a seller has certain > rights to do what they do, > however I think you should contact eBay about the situation. > Good luck. > > Rick. > > > I won a item on ebay this evening and the seller says he ships to > > US, not a problem I thought as he has the item available to all > > buyers worldwide. > > > > I won the item, or thought I had, only to find that the seller > > doesn't ship outside the US, which I knew. I replied that it was > > going to be shipped within the US and therefore meets all the > > criteria set out by him. Oh no, he said that he still couldn't sell > > to me as I'm outside the US and promptly gave it to the next guy. He > > also cited that the paperwork takes too long and the costs are > > higher. The paperwork takes about a minute of extra time and the > > cost has no bearing on it at all. > > > > I'm writing this with a confused and frustrated mind. It's a good > > job I am not as narrow minded as this seller for all the train and > > non train bits I ship to the US. > > > > Regards, > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48566	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you

If you payed with paypal that may be the problem. IF the seller wants paypal protection, he must ship to the paypal address of record. If the seller doesn't care (he trusts you), then he can ship as he pleases. You could set up a secondary paypal address with your stateside contact and get it confirmed for future situations like this.... ??? Of course, if you didn't use paypal, than this note don't matter! cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Trump" <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > Tom, > > > I contacted the seller and said that I wanted it shipped to a friend in the US, he still refused, I didn't want it shipped overseas at this point > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: TWesthelle@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you > > > If the seller has stated in his auction that he does not ship outside the > US, then those are the rules. If someone wishes to bid, the seller should be > contacted to determine if he would be willing to send overseas. The > coordination required to ship anything outside the US requires much more legwork to > the seller, and at times the seller might consider this. I recently had an > auction purchased from Australia, and I had clearly stated that I do not ship > outside the US, I found out that the winning bidder was from abroad upon > completion of the auction. It took two trips to the post office, first to weigh > the item and determine costs, then inform the buyer of the shipping costs for > total cost of item and shipping. > It was a added trip that no compensation was provided, so if it is stated in > the auction, I believe bidders should honor the rules of the auction, or make > arrangements prior to bidding. > > My two cents. > Tom Westhelle > Oviedo, FL > > > In a message dated 4/20/2008 12:25:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bassflyer@... writes: > > Well, > I'm not sure what to think about that! I guess a seller has certain > rights to do what they do, > however I think you should contact eBay about the situation. > Good luck. > > Rick. > > > I won a item on ebay this evening and the seller says he ships to > > US, not a problem I thought as he has the item available to all > > buyers worldwide. > > > > I won the item, or thought I had, only to find that the seller > > doesn't ship outside the US, which I knew. I replied that it was > > going to be shipped within the US and therefore meets all the > > criteria set out by him. Oh no, he said that he still couldn't sell > > to me as I'm outside the US and promptly gave it to the next guy. He > > also cited that the paperwork takes too long and the costs are > > higher. The paperwork takes about a minute of extra time and the > > cost has no bearing on it at all. > > > > I'm writing this with a confused and frustrated mind. It's a good > > job I am not as narrow minded as this seller for all the train and > > non train bits I ship to the US. > > > > Regards, > > > > Neil > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 19/04/2008 11:31 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48567	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you

Then you did more than could be asked, I am sorry I did misunderstand Neil's statement. I do know that there could be a problem as far as shipping to a verified address if payment is thru PayPal, but there are a million "what ifs" that could always be presented. Sorry again Neil. Tom In a message dated 4/21/2008 1:25:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, neil.trump@... writes: Tom, I contacted the seller and said that I wanted it shipped to a friend in the US, he still refused, I didn't want it shipped overseas at this point Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: _TWesthelle@..._ (mailto:TWesthelle@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you If the seller has stated in his auction that he does not ship outside the US, then those are the rules. If someone wishes to bid, the seller should be contacted to determine if he would be willing to send overseas. The coordination required to ship anything outside the US requires much more legwork to the seller, and at times the seller might consider this. I recently had an auction purchased from Australia, and I had clearly stated that I do not ship outside the US, I found out that the winning bidder was from abroad upon completion of the auction. It took two trips to the post office, first to weigh the item and determine costs, then inform the buyer of the shipping costs for total cost of item and shipping. It was a added trip that no compensation was provided, so if it is stated in the auction, I believe bidders should honor the rules of the auction, or make arrangements prior to bidding. My two cents. Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL In a message dated 4/20/2008 12:25:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _bassflyer@..._ (mailto:bassflyer@...) writes: Well, I'm not sure what to think about that! I guess a seller has certain rights to do what they do, however I think you should contact eBay about the situation. Good luck. Rick. > I won a item on ebay this evening and the seller says he ships to > US, not a problem I thought as he has the item available to all > buyers worldwide. > > I won the item, or thought I had, only to find that the seller > doesn't ship outside the US, which I knew. I replied that it was > going to be shipped within the US and therefore meets all the > criteria set out by him. Oh no, he said that he still couldn't sell > to me as I'm outside the US and promptly gave it to the next guy. He > also cited that the paperwork takes too long and the costs are > higher. The paperwork takes about a minute of extra time and the > cost has no bearing on it at all. > > I'm writing this with a confused and frustrated mind. It's a good > job I am not as narrow minded as this seller for all the train and > non train bits I ship to the US. > > Regards, > > Neil ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 19/04/2008 11:31 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48568	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you

If it is to be shipped to a USA address, why should the seller care where the buyer actually lives? How is it any different to ship to a USA address of someone who will only be there for a time, then a full time address? A shipment within the USA is a shipment within the USA no matter where the party may actually live. That's my feeling, jfred TWesthelle@... wrote: If the seller has stated in his auction that he does not ship outside the US, then those are the rules. If someone wishes to bid, the seller should be contacted to determine if he would be willing to send overseas. The coordination required to ship anything outside the US requires much more legwork to the seller, and at times the seller might consider this. I recently had an auction purchased from Australia, and I had clearly stated that I do not ship outside the US, I found out that the winning bidder was from abroad upon completion of the auction. It took two trips to the post office, first to weigh the item and determine costs, then inform the buyer of the shipping costs for total cost of item and shipping. It was a added trip that no compensation was provided, so if it is stated in the auction, I believe bidders should honor the rules of the auction, or make arrangements prior to bidding. My two cents. Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL In a message dated 4/20/2008 12:25:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bassflyer@... writes: Well, I'm not sure what to think about that! I guess a seller has certain rights to do what they do, however I think you should contact eBay about the situation. Good luck. Rick. > I won a item on ebay this evening and the seller says he ships to > US, not a problem I thought as he has the item available to all > buyers worldwide. > > I won the item, or thought I had, only to find that the seller > doesn't ship outside the US, which I knew. I replied that it was > going to be shipped within the US and therefore meets all the > criteria set out by him. Oh no, he said that he still couldn't sell > to me as I'm outside the US and promptly gave it to the next guy. He > also cited that the paperwork takes too long and the costs are > higher. The paperwork takes about a minute of extra time and the > cost has no bearing on it at all. > > I'm writing this with a confused and frustrated mind. It's a good > job I am not as narrow minded as this seller for all the train and > non train bits I ship to the US. > > Regards, > > Neil --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48569	From: Larry Asp	Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you

Living in Canada I have experienced US sellers who dont want to ship outside the US. I ask - why wouldnt you? - it means more bids and a better price. The US dollar has weakend, so buying US goods can be cheaper for foriegn buyers - more non US buyers with money in their pockets looking at your auctions. eg. - The Canadian dollar is just about equal with the US dollar now, a couple of years ago I had to pay $1.30cdn or more for a US dollar - so now I can buy more Flyer stuff stateside now than I could before. A simple customs form is all thats required at USPS and your package goes into the mail the same way. You dont have to take your package to the post office, wiegh it there and get the post cost from the clerk - the USPS has a website and their international rates and a dimesional wieght calculator are on line, for all to use. Most of us have a scale of some sort - kitchen, bathroom, fishing, or a cheap postal one from "Business Depot", and a measuring device. If I want an acution piece and the seller sells Stateside only, I ask first if he/she will ship to Canada. I get a yes most of the time. Some excuses for not shippping have been "I have to fill in forms", another didnt want to "risk" sending to a foreign country. Another said he had never sent to a foriegn country and didnt know how (he assumed it was complicated). Some sellers I asked didnt even realize they were set up for US only transactions - they had forgotten or didnt realize how to set up separate country or worldwide choices on their accounts (one fellow thought he was set up for worldwide even though he stated US only). There are lots S gauge enthusiasts in Canada - so if you dont want to ship worldwide, maybe you could check US and specify the countries you will sell to. I have purchased about half my collection of Flyer S gauge from US acution sellers - and I buy most of my spare parts and repair goods from US dealers - they are more than happy to send to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: <TWesthelle@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay seller gripe - don't read if ebay stuff bugs you > If the seller has stated in his auction that he does not ship outside the > US, then those are the rules. If someone wishes to bid, the seller > should be > contacted to determine if he would be willing to send overseas. The > coordination required to ship anything outside the US requires much more > legwork to > the seller, and at times the seller might consider this. I recently had > an > auction purchased from Australia, and I had clearly stated that I do not > ship > outside the US, I found out that the winning bidder was from abroad upon > completion of the auction. It took two trips to the post office, first > to weigh > the item and determine costs, then inform the buyer of the shipping costs > for > total cost of item and shipping. > It was a added trip that no compensation was provided, so if it is stated > in > the auction, I believe bidders should honor the rules of the auction, or > make > arrangements prior to bidding. > > My two cents. > Tom Westhelle > Oviedo, FL > > > In a message dated 4/20/2008 12:25:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bassflyer@... writes: > > > > > > Well, > I'm not sure what to think about that! I guess a seller has certain > rights to do what they do, > however I think you should contact eBay about the situation. > Good luck. > > Rick. > >> I won a item on ebay this evening and the seller says he ships to >> US, not a problem I thought as he has the item available to all >> buyers worldwide. >> >> I won the item, or thought I had, only to find that the seller >> doesn't ship outside the US, which I knew. I replied that it was >> going to be shipped within the US and therefore meets all the >> criteria set out by him. Oh no, he said that he still couldn't sell >> to me as I'm outside the US and promptly gave it to the next guy. He >> also cited that the paperwork takes too long and the costs are >> higher. The paperwork takes about a minute of extra time and the >> cost has no bearing on it at all. >> >> I'm writing this with a confused and frustrated mind. It's a good >> job I am not as narrow minded as this seller for all the train and >> non train bits I ship to the US. >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48570	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: Repairing truck side plates

Hi, I have tig - welded a few at low amps with out the gun-blue coming off. This way of repair will only works on the steel - Iron ones! Clayton S. D. --- On Sat, 4/19/08, Roger Petrella <rogerpjr@...> wrote: > From: Roger Petrella <rogerpjr@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Repairing truck side plates > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 19, 2008, 8:44 AM > It's been a while since I've had to make some > repairs to cars with the > sintered iron sideplate trucks. Now I got a large quantity > of trucks > with missing sideplates that need repaired. The last time > I did it I > removed the truck, drilled a tiny hole through the metal > and into the > sideplate, and tapped the sideplate for a 2-56 screw. It > works, but > isn't completely invisible and takes a lot of time. > Anyone got any > better methods to re-attach the sideplates so they > won't fall off > again? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48571	From: Al	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Whistle Billboard #566 part needed

AFironhorse, You should try Doug Peck at PortLines Hobby first. If he does not have this item, try Steve Blackburn at S-n-S Trains. Either of these dealers may have what you want. You could also check the auctions at Ebay for broken items or parts items that come and go. Al Rawdon --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48572	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: YORK

Well York is over for another 6 months..... My take.... The Bandit meets were all pretty light, with the Holidrome being only about 1/3 full ouside.... I asked one dealer why all the empty spaces.... He replied "They Died!"... Found a couple Nice boxed sets on Monday at the BB.... There were 2 farm sets there, with the cut outs.... 2000 and 3000.... Most people really had their collections out for display as they had VERY HIGH PRICES ON THEM !!!! I picked up, from a box of rusty track a 640 hopper and a log car..... HOW MUCH.... $50.00.... No Thanks.... Parking and motels very easy to find... All the guys and gals on this list great...... We had a couple dinner meets...... Bad News / Good news..... Bugged MTH about "S"..... Bugged Atlas Too!!!...... Bugged Bachman about "S".... The guy spent some time showing me how he had designed clearance to expand the Guage.... He said on the shay to use a wheel puller or small screw driver to gently spread the wheels...... Bad news...... The BIG BOYS..... I talked to Nick Ladd personally..... He said they are almost ready for shipping to be here in OCT...... BUT MTH had gotten a lock on anything shipped from Korea with his lawsuit.... they hope to work something out..... the other stuff Lionel is doing is not affected.... Ladd BB was a Korea product... Ladd said he designed the BB at 1/61 scale which is very close.. All in all.... A great time..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48573	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: YORK

In a message dated 4/22/2008 5:16:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: Bad News / Good news..... Bugged MTH about "S"..... Bugged Atlas Too!!!...... Bugged Bachman about "S".... The guy spent some time showing I don't think it matters HOW much you bug manufacturers, you still need BUYERS to expand a niche market. Would think anyone NOW making "S" would truthfully tell you that. ModelRailroadNews has an interview with Mr Lewis Polk about the process of getting an engine in production. IF you don't realize the costs involved, check it out here: _http://www.modelrailroadnews.com/pages/Polk0307.html_ (http://www.modelrailroadnews.com/pages/Polk0307.html) At the end of the day, you have to have a market to make a product to sell to. Enticing more manufacuterers won't increase the market, market has to increase first. BTW, had a nice visit with Bob and many others on the list as the week went on. Jim Lyle **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48574	From: william cole	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: YORK

my 2 cents as a newby to S supporting the manufacturers and dealers seems to be the way to grow our choices of products. we've got a 3 prong approach (AC, DC hi-rail and DC scale) in 1/64...the Big Boy in 1/61 kind of steps out into lunatic fringe land for scale guys (I'm glad I'm not a UP hound or into steam, as i would be very disappointed about the scale variation!!!) the current S manufactureres and dealers are all very nice, helpful, knowledgable (!), encouraging, and seem to play nice with each other...this is a huge attraction for S scale my 2 cents. take what you need and leave the rest... And York TCA was the most S I've seen at any train show in a long time (I'm a DC scale guy) Bill --- WJJIM@... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/22/2008 5:16:21 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > rcon7@... writes: > > Bad News / Good news..... Bugged MTH about "S"..... > Bugged Atlas Too!!!...... > Bugged Bachman about "S".... The guy spent some time > showing > > I don't think it matters HOW much you bug > manufacturers, you still need > BUYERS to expand a niche market. Would think anyone > NOW making "S" would > truthfully tell you that. > > ModelRailroadNews has an interview with Mr Lewis > Polk about the process of > getting an engine in production. IF you don't > realize the costs involved, check > it out here: > > _http://www.modelrailroadnews.com/pages/Polk0307.html_ > > (http://www.modelrailroadnews.com/pages/Polk0307.html) > > > At the end of the day, you have to have a market to > make a product to sell > to. Enticing more manufacuterers won't increase the > market, market has to > increase first. > > BTW, had a nice visit with Bob and many others on > the list as the week went > on. > > Jim Lyle > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest > site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48575	From: John Eichmann	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Mikado Footage?

Folks, The City of Boise is constructing a railroad interpretive site on the grounds of Boise's old Union Pacific Depot. The centerpiece will be a 2- 8-2 Mikado, number 2295, which ran on the Oregon Short Line. In preparation for the interpetive site, the developers are searching for some stock movie footage of a Mikado (1:1) in operation. This film will be shown on demand upon pushing a button at the site. Do any of you have any ideas where they might start to look for such film? Any help would be appreciated. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise jeichmann@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48576	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: YORK

> So, reading what you are saying Bob, the Big Boys are on hold until the legal problems between MTH and Lionel are cleared up? If so, this certainly is bad news! Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48577	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: Repairing truck side plates

I have used JB Weld. But it was on one that is used mostly for display - not a lot a running time on it. So I can not speak to how long it would hold up. But my experience using JB Weld for many other porojects has been very good. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Hi, I have tig - welded a few at low amps with out the gun-blue coming off. This way of repair will only works on the steel - Iron ones! > > Clayton S. D. > > > --- On Sat, 4/19/08, Roger Petrella <rogerpjr@...> wrote: > > > From: Roger Petrella <rogerpjr@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Repairing truck side plates > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 19, 2008, 8:44 AM > > It's been a while since I've had to make some > > repairs to cars with the > > sintered iron sideplate trucks. Now I got a large quantity > > of trucks > > with missing sideplates that need repaired. The last time > > I did it I > > removed the truck, drilled a tiny hole through the metal > > and into the > > sideplate, and tapped the sideplate for a 2-56 screw. It > > works, but > > isn't completely invisible and takes a lot of time. > > Anyone got any > > better methods to re-attach the sideplates so they > > won't fall off > > again? > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48578	From: lvtrainmeet	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Model Train meet Allentown Pa 5/17 -5/18 2008

Hello to everyone I just wanted to let everyone know there is a nice train meet coming up on May 17th and 18th in Allentown Pa. The Great Lehigh Valley Train Meet. Merchants Sqaure Mall 1901 S 12th st Allentown Pa 18103 . Info www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com . Usually a nice mix of items and good deals. Hope to see you there. Redman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48579	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: BigBoys

I also spoke with the guys at Atlas (got the same response as in January, which is that they are considering S) and Nick Ladd at Lionel. Lionel and MTH settled their lawsuit, but MTH and Korea Brass have not. So MTH has had a legal hold put on all income to Korea Brass until the lawsuit is settled. Every manufacturer working with Korea Brass is having their monies put in escrow pending the outcome of the suit. The BigBoy is not done, but is under development. This delay is for an indeterminate time, and may be lengthy. The BigBoy is not the only Lionel locomotive and Lionel is not the only manufacturer caught up in the quandry. I am not expecting this loco until 2009. Joe  Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48580	From: piccu56	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Looking

I'm looking for a junk 719, 919 or 914 so I can repair a car I purchased for my grandson. He will be 5 next mnth and has a nice 751 log loader. He loves to load the logs into the gondolas, but a 914 would be better as he always wants to pick the gondolas up to unload them. I found a junker 914 but the guts are missing. I need the plunger and its retainer plate. I cannot find these on any vendors list. I can use a broken base with these parts intact or if you have these parts seperately, I'd appreciate an offer to buy. I do have the coil. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48581	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: roadbed update

I would like to make a very important announcement! THE ROADBED IS COMING, THE ROADBED IS COMING!!!! Did I say the roadbed is coming!??!!!!! I just got a email from Vinyl Roadbed and I am told it was shipped today and should be here on Thursday. I am really looking forward to getting this started, as I just got back from York with lots of things for the layout. I will say that Vinyl Roadbed has been very good in keeping up to date with what was going on as they even offered me a refund, so that I may go somewhere else for roadbed. However, the weekends are pretty booked up for the summer, so, I will get this at night during the week. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48582	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: AF Lionel display at York

As usual, Lionel does a pretty poor job with anything AF, from bad couplers and engines in the early years, to cheap buttons for accessory cars and operating accessories like the sawmill, to poorly done wire wheel cars, wheels that don't spread apart on the axles. But the display of new Lionel products for O done very well, but for S, really awful, as I have some others words to describe it, but I don't think the moderators would let this go. They are re-issuing the rare 1958 CN reefer which I ordered, because I love that car. They only had the shell of the car on the display shelve! Same for some other cars too. Just disgusting, as you can see they just don't care and they put no effort in making good product. Now they market things in S badly with that wimpy display. WHY? Don't they have car frames they could use to show the product a bit better. Lionel, please sell the line to someone else who cares about S. Thank you. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48583	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Pine Canyon Update, Advert

Hi Gang, Just a quick note to let you know we have posted updated pics of the new Cruising Main Style 2 kits. Here is a link to the page http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/811crusingmain.htm We don't have plans for any other versions of this style. Have a good one, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48584	From: michael prell	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel display at York

They could have the best of both worlds! Strange that the Shirts don't recognize that. It's not like they're part of the Original family that competed with Gilbert. What they have is the brand name, the tooling and all of the ability to manufacture a line for both enthusiasts.I gusee its right that there are none so blind as they who will not see. Too bad. Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: As usual, Lionel does a pretty poor job with anything AF, from bad couplers and engines in the early years, to cheap buttons for accessory cars and operating accessories like the sawmill, to poorly done wire wheel cars, wheels that don't spread apart on the axles. But the display of new Lionel products for O done very well, but for S, really awful, as I have some others words to describe it, but I don't think the moderators would let this go. They are re-issuing the rare 1958 CN reefer which I ordered, because I love that car. They only had the shell of the car on the display shelve! Same for some other cars too. Just disgusting, as you can see they just don't care and they put no effort in making good product. Now they market things in S badly with that wimpy display. WHY? Don't they have car frames they could use to show the product a bit better. Lionel, please sell the line to someone else who cares about S. Thank you. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48585	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] AF Lionel display at York

Jerry, I have no plans on running any AF Lionel overall or buying allot. I like the CN reefer, as that is all I got. S Helper is the main line for me on the layout. Even if I did not get the reefer, I would of look at the Lionel display to see how they butchered the AF display part of their huge booth. As a marketing grad, Lionel should of known better to do what they did, as that is a total disgrace to show one's product they way they did, no matter if it was trains, cars, computers, anything we buy. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: mtoytrain@... To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; steve Conard ; Ralph Loveless ; Jeff Snell Cc: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [toytrains] AF Lionel display at York Mike as a friend I told you to stick with S Helper Showcaseline for trains that you want to operate. Lionel S Gauge is not Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge and never will be. S Gauge is a drop in the bucket to Lionel, a traditional American Flyer collector will never be happy with anything by Gilbert American Flyer. For Collecting for Gilbert, for running and operating train go with S Helper. Just my honest opinion From the River City by the Sea! Jerry "Matt" Matsick "Jacksonville" -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- As usual, Lionel does a pretty poor job with anything AF, from bad couplers and engines in the early years, to cheap buttons for accessory cars and operating accessories like the sawmill, to poorly done wire wheel cars, wheels that don't spread apart on the axles. But the display of new Lionel products for O done very well, but for S, really awful, as I have some others words to describe it, but I don't think the moderators would let this go. They are re-issuing the rare 1958 CN reefer which I ordered, because I love that car. They only had the shell of the car on the display shelve! Same for some other cars too. Just disgusting, as you can see they just don't care and they put no effort in making good product. Now they market things in S badly with that wimpy display. WHY? Don't they have car frames they could use to show the product a bit better. Lionel, please sell the line to someone else who cares about S. Thank you. M ike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48586	From: jpmatsick@yahoo.com	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] AF Lionel display at York

Mike as a friend I told you to stick with S Helper Showcaseline for trains that you want to operate. Lionel S Gauge is not Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge and never will be. S Gauge is a drop in the bucket to Lionel, a traditional American Flyer collector will never be happy with anything by Gilbert American Flyer. For Collecting for Gilbert, for running and operating train go with S Helper. Just my honest opinion From the River City by the Sea! Jerry "Matt" Matsick "Jacksonville" -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- As usual, Lionel does a pretty poor job with anything AF, from bad couplers and engines in the early years, to cheap buttons for accessory cars and operating accessories like the sawmill, to poorly done wire wheel cars, wheels that don't spread apart on the axles. But the display of new Lionel products for O done very well, but for S, really awful, as I have some others words to describe it, but I don't think the moderators would let this go. They are re-issuing the rare 1958 CN reefer which I ordered, because I love that car. They only had the shell of the car on the display shelve! Same for some other cars too. Just disgusting, as you can see they just don't care and they put no effort in making good product. Now they market things in S badly with that wimpy display. WHY? Don't they have car frames they could use to show the product a bit better. Lionel, please sell the line to someone else who cares about S. Thank you. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48587	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Big Boy

----- Original Message ----- From: william cole . . . . ...the Big Boy in 1/61 kind of steps out into lunatic fringe land for scale guys . . . . . . . . . >> > > > > > > > > > > > An interesting observation. Here's another (sense of humor required). Tom Hawley http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QLQOSP81XfpXz-5d1kcI83HpHlNiYO0fx14KG3z2qGexav42sFO2ITl88At3iSMtazJ78Je2z9wg9vlDbzCU4ikzZtSSog/A%20little%20cartoon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48588	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] AF Lionel display at York

ALL...... In my case when I walked up to the display.... I guess the look on my face attracted Ladd.... He came up to me with "you are looking for the BB".... Thats when we talked.... As for all the other companys, i spoke with... I told all of the " I BUY".... Bob-------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- Jerry, I have no plans on running any AF Lionel overall or buying allot. I like the CN reefer, as that is all I got. S Helper is the main line for me on the layout. Even if I did not get the reefer, I would of look at the Lionel display to see how they butchered the AF display part of their huge booth. As a marketing grad, Lionel should of known better to do what they did, as that is a total disgrace to show one's product they way they did, no matter if it was trains, cars, computers, anything we buy. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: mtoytrain@... To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; steve Conard ; Ralph Loveless ; Jeff Snell Cc: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [toytrains] AF Lionel display at York Mike as a friend I told you to stick with S Helper Showcaseline for trains that you want to operate. Lionel S Gauge is not Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge and never will be. S Gauge is a drop in the bucket to Lionel, a traditional American Flyer collector will never be happy with anything by Gilbert American Flyer. For Collecting for Gilbert, for running and operating train go with S Helper. Just my honest opinion From the River City by the Sea! Jerry "Matt" Matsick "Jacksonville" -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- As usual, Lionel does a pretty poor job with anything AF, from bad couplers and engines in the early years, to cheap buttons for accessory cars and operating accessories like the sawmill, to poorly done wire wheel cars, wheels that don't spread apart on the axles. But the display of new Lionel products for O done very well, but for S, really awful, as I have some others words to describe it, but I don't think the moderators would let this go. They are re-issuing the rare 1958 CN reefer which I ordered, because I love that car. They only had the shell of the car on the display shelve! Same for some other cars too. Just disgusting, as you can see they just don't care and they put no effort in making good product. Now they market things in S badly with that wimpy display. WHY? Don't they have car frames they could use to show the product a bit better. Lionel, please sell the line to someone else who cares about S. Thank you. M ike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48589	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Mikado Footage?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Eichmann" <jeichmann@...> wrote: > > Folks, > > The City of Boise is constructing a railroad interpretive site on the > grounds of Boise's old Union Pacific Depot. The centerpiece will be a 2- > 8-2 Mikado, number 2295, which ran on the Oregon Short Line. In > preparation for the interpetive site, the developers are searching for > some stock movie footage of a Mikado (1:1) in operation. This film will > be shown on demand upon pushing a button at the site. Do any of you > have any ideas where they might start to look for such film? Any help > would be appreciated. > > YourS, > John Eichmann, Coordinator > Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers > Boise > jeichmann@... > Try these: http://www.pentrex.com/cc006.html http://www.pentrex.com/cc007.html They might also try contacting the Union Pacific Railroad--it's very possible that the UP has video footage archives that include footage of the locomotive type they're interested in. Scott Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48590	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041

The amount of new Flyer was terribly limited on the display at York, but Matt Ashba did apologize for this at their Toy Train Museum presentation. However, he did go on to discuss progress on the new Big Boy in detail. If a company does not have suitable samples, then why bring something not yet ready? Their two main competitors have often been late with preproduction samples, not to mention the final product. The various versions of knuckle couplers provided by Lionel are not good, to be sure, but the so-called “ Gilbert-compatible” couplers supplied by their two main competitors are not much better. Let’s take the glass is half full approach for a moment: 1. The new scale-sized Mikados and Pacifics are great. And, I have owned (or possessed for several days) any of the newer offerings in the die-cast steam catagoriy (except for the River Raisin scale brass). Every wheel including the pilot truck on the latest Pacifics provide power pick up which contributes to smooth operations. All axles are polished nickel plate set in bronze bearings – no Gilbert “wiggle-wobble” with these engines. The later iterations have been very dependable out of the box and generally have not required trips to Mt. Clemens. TMCC, RS5.0, IR tether, all-metal add-on details, die-cast tender, and very good modeling all contribute to the excellent value to be found in these locomotives. 1. TMCC (and now Legacy) has provided excellent, easy to install, fool-proof walk around control capability for many of us traditional Gilbert operators with AC-based operations. Both systems have their strengths, but TMCC is better suited than DCC for the needs of many of us. 1. Lionel has reissued many accessories, most of which have been quite successful. The oil derrick, Gabe the Lamplighter, baggage smasher, hand car with shed, and the track gang come to mind as examples which work as well or better than originals and will probably prove to be more durable. 1. The new heavyweights are far better overall than the competition’s and far less costly than the vintage Gilberts. These cars enable Lionel to put together some truly striking sets like the Chicago and Alton – one of the most beautiful ever done in S. 1. Both the Dockside and the Northern have had shortcomings in the smoke department, but the Dockside is still operationally much better than Gilbert ’s and the Northern is pretty nice, as well, once the smoke unit is replaced with the latest version (provided for free) from Lionel. The ‘809’ with the UP heavyweights makes for a very appealing set. 1. Have you noticed the improvements in the boxcars, as of late? Lionel has gotten rid of the old Gilbert screw and tab arrangements and they now use a new chassis that is attached to the shell with small machine screws. Appearance has been greatly improved because of this. The span of Lionel production now exceeds that of Gilbert’s and many more road names have been done than Gilbert did in most categories. 1. The new 6-wheel diesel drives are as smooth as glass. The latest PAs and “SDs” are a pleasure to run. Lionel could do better by Flyer than they have been, but they have contributed good stuff to S, as well. Much of Lionel Flyer is intended to uphold traditional Gilbert ‘feel’ and, consequently, their current offerings tend to complement those from the other manufacturers. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 4/23/2008 12:53:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: As usual, Lionel does a pretty poor job with anything AF, yada, yada, yada..... **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48591	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed update

Mike, I am happy you finally got the product. I was wondering ig you were ever going to receive it. I guess the midnight oil will be burning now. Barry Jamison --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I would like to make a very important announcement! > > THE ROADBED IS COMING, THE ROADBED IS COMING!!!! > > Did I say the roadbed is coming!??!!!!! > > I just got a email from Vinyl Roadbed and I am told it was shipped today and should be here on Thursday. > > I am really looking forward to getting this started, as I just got back from York with lots of things for the layout. > > I will say that Vinyl Roadbed has been very good in keeping up to date with what was going on as they even offered me a refund, so that I may go somewhere else for roadbed. > > However, the weekends are pretty booked up for the summer, so, I will get this at night during the week. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48592	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041

The Chinese make better Flyer than the Americans......pretty sad......Fred In a message dated 4/23/2008 5:20:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbubeck327@... writes: 1. The new 6-wheel diesel drives are as smooth as glass. The latest PAs and “SDs” are a pleasure to run **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48593	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: York, April 2008

Last week, as most know it was time again for the bi-annual trek to York, PA, Mecca for the Eastern Division train meet where I read that over 14,000 attended, with over 9,000 being TCA members. As usual, Linda and I had breakfast at Perkins in Gettysburg, PA which is a tradition. We got to the fairgrounds, right at 9 am Friday with no traffic back ups. I had quite a bit of things already pre-ordered from S Helper, Bob Board, Joe Haenn and some repairs and track items to pick up from Doug Peck. From S Helper we got a CO&OF DCC switcher, 2 box cars and some coal loads for the coal cars. Bob Board had a AF Lionel re-pro dump log car. Joe Haenn had some American Models tank cars, Sinclair and Sunoco. The couplers on these cars do go through the Classic Track switches, so they must of done a re-design on them. Sorry Ben Stiles, I have no more AM couplers for you!!! From Doug, I got 3 more Classic track switches, as I added a freight yard, as I waited for the road bed, picked up a AF Hudson I foolishly burnt up, told you I know nothing about these things, even burnt out the head and speaker too!, and I got a AF Hudson that he converted to DCC. That is really great with the speed and the whistle, as I had no idea that each engine line, I.e. NYC, B&O had it's distinct whistle. And the engine really smokes well, as it is still with the old wick system. We picked up some odds and ends for the layout, as this is probably the first York, I did not get a thing for the AF collection, as I tried to fine a E+ 24626 Caboose. Saw a few, but not in the shape I wanted for the set I am building from 1958. From the Vanacore's of CT, we got a older S Helper GN green box car, as we got a new GN Red Box and a PA box from Don at S Helper. Bill Parr in the Orange Hall had a BAR Maine Potato reefer, which is a older S Helper item. We had to get that one, since we go to Maine every year, except for the years, I almost kill myself. LOL Some of you know the story from last year and the year before that we had to cancel due to silly things I do to myself!!!! Anyway, I got some more metal crossarms from Lehigh Models for telegraph poles. I am learning that these are not telephone poles, as I think it is the fault of Atlas with the HO telephone poles that I got in the 1960's. From Scenery Express we got some Instance Fence for the baseball field and street roadway for the layout. Linda told me later she saw a sign on a table that said, "Your wife just called and you can buy all the trains you want". She said, no, she will buy all the trains she wants herself at York. We did see a pretty ratty Lionel set box in the blue hall from 1928, that was half eaten on one side for $3800. I wonder if he would take 2800 for it. And the most important thing is we got to see friends from the S list and the TTML. I got to see Don Rosa who has the AC Gilbert milk cap that he wrote a story about. He also told me some more interest things about Julie Trail, granddaughter to AC Gilbert that was not covered in his article for the TCA. I did show him my milk cap that I just got a few weeks ago. Not as good as his milk cap, but it is a U of MD milk cap from the 1930's. I did have lunch with Bill and Carol Zide, as I introduced them to one of the best fast food burgers anywhere, Five Guys, as Five Guys started as a little place in Arlington, VA and now has gone franchised. Two locations now in York. We also had a great dinner together that evening. We got to talk with Joe Haenn and Don Thompson about things other that trains. Maybe next year we will go to some baseball games in NC with Joe and his wife, Lynn. We all went together to a MD/FSU football game two years ago. Train is what got us together with this. Mark Boyd did come to my house on Thursday on his way to York and he was impressed with my collection and layout in progress. He liked the S Helper steam engines. And he like my 200 plus milk bottles! We went back to the halls on Saturday morning as we stayed till 12 noon or so, as we had a concert to attend that night in Virginia at the Barns of Wolftrappe. So a long weekend. Sadly, the phone booth by the cafeteria is gone, as I was on a secret mission to get pictures of it for a certain comic strip. Lucky that there was another phone booth next to the medical area by the Orange Hall. Pictures gotten, as they will be on the way to Mr. Bill Griffith, writer for one of the weirdest comics in the world, Zippy the Pinhead. Maple Donuts has been featured in this strip many times. And Maple Donuts is the official donut of the TCA. I think we should cut down on the donuts and have some official fruit or something. Oh and now a stock market report on the price of plasticville phonebooth. Linda got 9 phonebooths back in 1992 for 35 each. Then the market dropped to 10. We saw that prices for phonebooth varied from 10 to 25!!!! So, by 2025 we might recover the total cost spent. But then we have inflation to consider. Ahh, what the heck, who cares, as we had fun in the hunt for them back in 1992. And for the headlines in the York paper was the Harley plant laying of many workers and a Goose nest in at a shopping mall. And then the coming attractions for the York fairgrounds, the first weekend of May, is the gun show and a cat show. We saw a billboard on US 30 for the gun show as you can buy machine guns!!!!!! Why!? Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48594	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: roadbed update

Thanks Barry. It is due tomorrow. At least it might too heavy for UPS, USPS, Fed Ex, DHL or who ever to throw!!!!! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Jamison To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: roadbed update Mike, I am happy you finally got the product. I was wondering ig you were ever going to receive it. I guess the midnight oil will be burning now. Barry Jamison --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I would like to make a very important announcement! > > THE ROADBED IS COMING, THE ROADBED IS COMING!!!! > > Did I say the roadbed is coming!??!!!!! > > I just got a email from Vinyl Roadbed and I am told it was shipped today and should be here on Thursday. > > I am really looking forward to getting this started, as I just got back from York with lots of things for the layout. > > I will say that Vinyl Roadbed has been very good in keeping up to date with what was going on as they even offered me a refund, so that I may go somewhere else for roadbed. > > However, the weekends are pretty booked up for the summer, so, I will get this at night during the week. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48595	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041

Isn't Lionel AF made in China? Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: fredstrainparts@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041 The Chinese make better Flyer than the Americans......pretty sad......Fred In a message dated 4/23/2008 5:20:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbubeck327@... writes: 1. The new 6-wheel diesel drives are as smooth as glass. The latest PAs and “SDs” are a pleasure to run **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48596	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Looking

<<<I need the plunger and its retainer plate. I cannot find these on any vendors list.>>> I guess you didn't check our list. We have the plungers for the log and coal dump cars. The plate is N/A except off a junker, but it is not a difficult piece to hand-cut from a piece of thin aluminum. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48597	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041

Dear Mike, The K-Line "O" gauge Big Boy may have made in Korea. I am very sure the Challenger was... Don Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Isn't Lionel AF made in China? > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: fredstrainparts@... <mailto:fredstrainparts%40aol.com> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:38 PM > Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041 > > The Chinese make better Flyer than the Americans......pretty sad......Fred > > In a message dated 4/23/2008 5:20:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rbubeck327@... <mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com> writes: > > 1. The new 6-wheel diesel drives are as smooth as glass. The latest PAs > and “SDs” are a pleasure to run > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. > used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851 > <http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851>) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48598	From: Don Rosa	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: AF Lionel display at York

Mike, I actually found the Lionel representatives to be quite friendly and responsive to questions and to an idea I proposed. Agreed, their samples could have been better but we must remember Lionel O is their business. Th Even A.C. took a back seat to Lionel when you consider the numbers, etc.. Also, please take another look at the catalog as the CN reefer is actually an insulated boxcar as advertised. It was a pleasure meeting you and Linda at York. Don Rosa ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48599	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041

In a message dated 4/23/2008 4:20:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, rbubeck327@... writes: The various versions of knuckle couplers provided by Lionel are not good, to be sure, but the so-called “ Gilbert-compatible” couplers supplied by their two main competitors are not much better. STRANGE, first I ever heard that one. Jim Lyle **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48600	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: York, April 2008 addition

I forgot to mention the several annoncements I heard, again, as things got taken off tables without someone paying for them. Sad, that there are a few bad apples in the TCA, as some AF wheels, I think O gauge where taken. And then a ice station?! That is really bold on someone's part, as a ice station has to be pretty big. I am sorry that these people where not caught by anyone! And the announcement to go back and pay. Right. First, they would be proscuted for stealing and then second thrown out of the TCA. I did have my S Helper U of MD box car with me. I showed to a few who knew about and I got good compliments on it. I will making another one next week. Someone who I know since 1992 that lives near me and has a table at York for AF is Jim Patterson. Jim was engineer for the National Park Service on the C&O Canal. And I love the C&O Canal as most of you know. However, when I showed Jim my MD boxcar, his eyes lit up, as he said his wife would love one of those. He wife is now semi retired with the University and has a pretty high position at MD. It also turns out, that I did not know, that a main building on campus, the James Patterson building is named after his grandfather, as he gave allot of money to the school. I told Jim I will make his wife a car. I will start that this week, since I now know what I am doing! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48601	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel display at York

Don, I am glad that they where friendly to you, as I will say, I told one a Neil Young story, since I have been a fan of Young's music since the 1970's. That is fine if it the CN is a insulated car, as it looks the same as the original. However, if a sample is not up to par, of what it should be, they should not show it at all in my opinion. It was good to see you and your wife too. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rosa To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:AF Lionel display at York Mike, I actually found the Lionel representatives to be quite friendly and responsive to questions and to an idea I proposed. Agreed, their samples could have been better but we must remember Lionel O is their business. Th Even A.C. took a back seat to Lionel when you consider the numbers, etc.. Also, please take another look at the catalog as the CN reefer is actually an insulated boxcar as advertised. It was a pleasure meeting you and Linda at York. Don Rosa __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48602	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: BigBoys

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > > I also spoke with the guys at Atlas (got the same response as in January, which is that they are considering S) and Nick Ladd at Lionel. Lionel and MTH settled their lawsuit, but MTH and Korea Brass have not. So MTH has had a legal hold put on all income to Korea Brass until the lawsuit is settled. Every manufacturer working with Korea Brass is having their monies put in escrow pending the outcome of the suit. > The BigBoy is not done, but is under development. This delay is for an indeterminate time, and may be lengthy. The BigBoy is not the only Lionel locomotive and Lionel is not the only manufacturer caught up in the quandry. I am not expecting this loco until 2009. > Joe >  Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers > American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line > joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored > Joe, I was a little confused by the talk of delay of the Big Boy. Are you saying the BB project is delayed because of the lawsuit between MTH and Korea Brass? Is Korea Brass the vendor building it for Lionel? Scott Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48603	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: S Scale Cats

Here is the market report for the price of S Scale cats currently seen at York last weekend. Back in December S Scale cats at the Strasburg RR Shoppe where 4.75. We only saw one dealer at York with S Scale Cats for 5.00, a whopping price increase of 5.26% What is this world coming too when the price of S Scale cats goes up!!!!! Such a sad day. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48604	From: mikenguy9	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: S HELPER DEALER WANTED (American Models o.k. also)

A S Helper dealer wrote to me Please write back about some cars. you wrote to me at n9guy@... or any dealer, wanting Flyer compatable.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48605	From: mikenguy9	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: ordering tracks and otherstuff

I was talking with some one about some rerailer track and other stuff but JUNO ereased all my mail, They do that when one changes the credit card one pays with. 3rd time it happened. so if you were writing to n9guy@... please get back to me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48606	From: mikenguy9	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: buying end bumpers

I was writing to somone about buying some two I recall but my mail was deleated by JUNO. It was not this Yahoo address. N9GUY@... was the address. please write back to me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48607	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041

Given the technology available today versus that of 60 years ago, I would hope the Chinese could make something that comes close to the quality of Ameican-made products. As for me, I'd rather know that the American making my toy train will also be my neighbor and buy whatever it is that I make or sell. THAT'S THE SAD PART. Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: fredstrainparts@... The Chinese make better Flyer than the Americans......pretty sad......Fred In a message dated 4/23/2008 5:20:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbubeck327@... writes: 1. The new 6-wheel diesel drives are as smooth as glass. The latest PAs and ���SDs��� are a pleasure to run **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48608	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: RR Article

A Switch on the Tracks: Railroads Roar Ahead Global Trade, Fuel Costs Add Up To Expansion for Once-Dying Industry By Frank Ahrens Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, April 21, 2008; A01 RADFORD, Va. -- When Bob Billingsley hired on with Norfolk Southern railway 31 years ago, he was a rookie on work crews that were closing unused lines as the nation's economy turned its back on the railroads. Now he's in charge of raising the roof of a Norfolk Southern tunnel in southwestern Virginia to clear headroom for the double-stacked container cars that have become the symbol of the industry's sudden surge thanks to a confluence of powerful global factors. "For years, we were looking for ways to cut costs to increase profits," said Billingsley, as a train rumbled by. "Now, we're building business to increase profits." The freight railway industry is enjoying its biggest building boom in nearly a century, a turnaround as abrupt as it is ambitious. It is largely fueled by growing global trade and rising fuel costs for 18-wheelers. In 2002, the major railroads laid off 4,700 workers; in 2006, they hired more than 5,000. Profit has doubled industry-wide since 2003, and stock prices have soared. The value of the largest railroad, the Union Pacific, has tripled since 2001. This year alone, the railroads will spend nearly $10 billion to add track, build switchyards and terminals, and open tunnels to handle the coming flood of traffic. Freight rail tonnage will rise nearly 90 percent by 2035, according to the Transportation Department. In the 1970s, tight federal regulation, cheap truck fuel and a wide-open interstate highway system conspired to cripple the railroad industry, driving many lines into bankruptcy. The nation's 300,000 miles of rails became a web of slow-moving, poorly maintained lines, so dilapidated in spots that tracks would give way under standing trains. The Staggers Rail Act of 1980 largely deregulated the industry, leading to a wave of consolidation. More than 40 major lines condensed into the seven that remain, running on 162,000 miles of track. But the changing global market has fueled prosperity -- and the need to add track for the first time in 80 years. Soaring diesel prices and a driver shortage have pushed freight from 18-wheelers back onto the rails. At the same time, China's unquenchable appetite for coal and the escalating U.S. demand for Chinese goods, means more U.S. rail traffic is heading to ports in the Northwest, on its way to and from the Far East. Coal still accounts for the most tonnage hauled by U.S. railroads, but it is the ocean-crossing shipping container -- carrying autos, toys, furniture and nearly every product a consumer will buy -- that has lit a rocket under the railroad industry. Passenger rail traffic is also increasing; 2007 was Amtrak's fifth consecutive year of increased ridership, up 6 percent from 2006. The zeitgeist has even dropped a "green" gift in the industry's lap. A train can haul a ton of freight 423 miles on one gallon of diesel fuel, about a 3-to-1 fuel efficiency advantage over 18-wheelers, and the railroad industry is increasingly touting itself as an eco-friendly alternative. Trucking firms also use the rail lines; UPS is the railroad industry's biggest customer. Rail traffic, revenue and profit began to soar in 2002-03 and seem largely immune to the economic downturn. Last Tuesday, for instance, CSX reported a record first-quarter profit. On Friday, the stock price of Western rail giant Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) hit an all-time high. At the industry's nadir in the 1970s, the average annual rate of return on investment for a railroad company was 1.2 percent. By 2006, that number was 10.2 percent. And even though the economic slump has reduced key traffic about 4 percent this year compared with last, it has not slowed the railroads' urgent tracklaying. Capital expenditures this year are up, as the railroads think the downturn is temporary, said the industry's trade group, the Association of American Railroads. Seven railways control nearly all of the freight shipped in the United States. In the West, they are, from largest to smallest by track mileage, Union Pacific, BNSF, Canadian Pacific/Soo Line and Kansas City Southern. In the East, they are Norfolk Southern, CSX and the Canadian National/Grand Trunk lines. Most of them have extensive expansions planned or underway. The companies are attracting the attention of big-money investors, such as Berkshire Hathaway Chairman Warren E. Buffett, who sees a future in the Industrial Age behemoths. Buffett, a Washington Post Co. director, began loading up on shares of BNSF last year and is now its largest shareholder, with more than 18 percent of its outstanding stock. The industry estimates it will take $148 billion in expansion to carry the amount of traffic anticipated by 2035. Of that, the railroad companies will contribute $96 billion, said the industry's trade group. The rest would have to come from the federal government and the states. The railroads argue that more trains mean fewer trucks on the road and less air pollution, public benefits that the public should help pay for. Further, the railroads could not achieve the profits they say Wall Street demands without government subsidies. The railroads seek a tax credit, backed by Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), that would help them expand further. Meanwhile, the railroad industry's long-standing antitrust exemption has attracted the attention of lawmakers. They seek to eliminate the exemption and closely examine the rates railroads charge to haul freight, which the industry says would cripple its expansion at a critical time. The railroads' rate structure has also drawn the ire of some of their customers: Nearly 30 antitrust lawsuits have been filed against major railroads in recent months, including one by agri-giant Archer Daniels Midland last month, alleging collusion and price-fixing. For some lawmakers and advocacy groups, today's rail industry recalls that of the late 1800s, when the only ceiling on rates was the limit of a rail baron's avarice. The railroads say today's rates are reasonable and reflect something the industry has not had in decades: pricing power. "Customers had gotten used to rates going down all those years, and all of the sudden, they're not anymore," Norfolk Southern vice president James A. Hixon said in an interview. "They don't like it." Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), whose state depends on trains carrying coal, introduced a bill last year that the railroad industry derides as the "Reregulation Act." The legislation, which has not been scheduled for a floor vote, would allow shippers to easily challenge railroad rates at the Surface Transportation Board, which regulates the rail industry. Now, some shippers say, they have almost no recourse if they think the railroads are gouging them. "It's a byzantine system, and it's rigged against the shippers," said Robert Szabo, executive director of Consumers United for Rail Equity, a coalition of shippers who say that the railroads' monopoly pricing structure raises the cost of consumer goods. The railroads "have been in a seller's market since 2004," said Szabo, whose group backs Rockefeller's legislation. Sen. Herb Kohl (D-Wis.) introduced a bill last year that would remove the railroads' antitrust exemption. Unlike other industries, the Department of Justice cannot block a merger between rail companies, and the STB has been criticized for siding too often with the industry. "Competition has virtually gone away," Kohl said in an interview. His bill has not been scheduled for a floor vote. "They have carved up the country, and each [railroad] controls its vast area." Sen. Byron L. Dorgan (D-N.D.), a co-sponsor of both bills, cites an example: The railroads charge four times as much to ship a carload of grain from Bismarck, N.D., to Minneapolis as they do to ship it from Minneapolis to Chicago, although the distances are about equal. The reason: Shippers have only one choice of railroad out of Bismarck. The railroad industry calls it "differential pricing," and "it occurs every day in the airline industry," said Edward R. Hamberger, president of the railroad trade group. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48609	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Fw: Most Important items at York this weekend.

----- Original Message ----- Mother goose sets up nest at York Borders KATHY STEVENS The York Dispatch Article Last Updated: 04/18/2008 11:21:08 AM EDT They noticed her a couple of weeks ago, hanging out, looking around. She'd waddle the parking lot before doors opened for business, and when they closed. One median mounded with mulch and semi-protected by an ornamental tree apparently appealed to the Canada goose, and she selected that site to nest. She'll remain there in the parking lot of the Borders book store along Whiteford Road in Springettsbury Township during the next few weeks until -- or if -- her goslings hatch. "The Mother Goose reference has not been lost," said Steve Sagar, operations manager at the bookstore, about patrons who've commented about the guest. "She's just sitting there watching life go by." Sagar said he and col- leagues have been watching the goose, and her gander, for the past two weeks. Most of the time, they saw the couple early in the morning before opening and when the lot was virtually empty. An employee gave him the heads-up about a week ago that it looked as if the mother goose had settled in. Sagar, concerned for her safety, called animal control and the Pennsylvania State Game Commission. Because she had laid eggs, beginning the 28-day incubation period, game officials said they could not move the nest. So, Sagar and colleagues have done their best to protect the goose by placing four orange traffic cones around the median. Signs on the cones read: "Caution! Mother Goose. I am nesting. Please do not touch me or feed me, and please watch out for Mr. Goose." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48610	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: AF Lionel display at York

What if they are working on the new trucks? What if they had only the old frames to display? Then this list would be ranting about how they don't understand the s gage market and are "still using the old trucks" Did anyone ask why they were displayed with no frames? The Chinese make very good s gauge, that is why SHS is made there. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Rosa <af2rail@...> wrote: > > Mike, > I actually found the Lionel representatives to be quite friendly and responsive to questions and to an idea I proposed. Agreed, their samples could have been better but we must remember Lionel O is their business. Th Even A.C. took a back seat to Lionel when you consider the numbers, etc.. > Also, please take another look at the catalog as the CN reefer is actually an insulated boxcar as advertised. > It was a pleasure meeting you and Linda at York. > Don Rosa > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48611	From: David Engle	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale Cats

what's the difference between this and ticket-scalpers at the ballpark? ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Jeff Snell ; steve Conard ; Ralph Loveless ; Cookie Flannery ; Linda Marmer Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale Cats Here is the market report for the price of S Scale cats currently seen at York last weekend. Back in December S Scale cats at the Strasburg RR Shoppe where 4.75. We only saw one dealer at York with S Scale Cats for 5.00, a whopping price increase of 5.26% What is this world coming too when the price of S Scale cats goes up!!!!! Such a sad day. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48612	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Korea Brass and the BigBoy

Scott Griggs wrote: <<I was a little confused by the talk of delay of the Big Boy. Are <<you saying the BB project is delayed because of the lawsuit between <<MTH and Korea Brass? Is Korea Brass the vendor building it for <<Lionel?  Yes, that is correct.  Korea Brass was the building of the K-Line version AND is the builder of the Lionel AF version of the bigBoy. JoeJoe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48613	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale Cats

Dear Mike, Priser has HO dogs and cats which are closer to "S". The guy next to us sells them. Remind me in the fall, oh that right, Maine.... Don MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > Here is the market report for the price of S Scale cats currently seen > at York last weekend. > > Back in December S Scale cats at the Strasburg RR Shoppe where 4.75. > > We only saw one dealer at York with S Scale Cats for 5.00, a whopping > price increase of 5.26% > > What is this world coming too when the price of S Scale cats goes up!!!!! > > Such a sad day. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48614	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041

Oh well its not a new development; as far back as pre WWI the Germans were making stuff marketed as their own by Flyer, amongst others (some very surprizing); Marx had stuff made all over the place in the 50's and 60's and Flyer went to Portugal for manufacture of the All Aboard panels in the 60's. Alistair -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jimensign50@... Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041 Given the technology available today versus that of 60 years ago, I would hope the Chinese could make something that comes close to the quality of Ameican-made products. As for me, I'd rather know that the American making my toy train will also be my neighbor and buy whatever it is that I make or sell. THAT'S THE SAD PART. Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: fredstrainparts@... The Chinese make better Flyer than the Americans......pretty sad......Fred In a message dated 4/23/2008 5:20:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbubeck327@... writes: 1. The new 6-wheel diesel drives are as smooth as glass. The latest PAs and “SDs” are a pleasure to run **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48615	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: RR Article

Thank you Michael - this is a fantastic article! Al Baker Portland, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; steve Conard ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RR Article A Switch on the Tracks: Railroads Roar Ahead Global Trade, Fuel Costs Add Up To Expansion for Once-Dying Industry By Frank Ahrens Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, April 21, 2008; A01 RADFORD, Va. -- When Bob Billingsley hired on with Norfolk Southern railway 31 years ago, he was a rookie on work crews that were closing unused lines as the nation's economy turned its back on the railroads. Now he's in charge of raising the roof of a Norfolk Southern tunnel in southwestern Virginia to clear headroom for the double-stacked container cars that have become the symbol of the industry's sudden surge thanks to a confluence of powerful global factors. "For years, we were looking for ways to cut costs to increase profits," said Billingsley, as a train rumbled by. "Now, we're building business to increase profits." The freight railway industry is enjoying its biggest building boom in nearly a century, a turnaround as abrupt as it is ambitious. It is largely fueled by growing global trade and rising fuel costs for 18-wheelers. In 2002, the major railroads laid off 4,700 workers; in 2006, they hired more than 5,000. Profit has doubled industry-wide since 2003, and stock prices have soared. The value of the largest railroad, the Union Pacific, has tripled since 2001. This year alone, the railroads will spend nearly $10 billion to add track, build switchyards and terminals, and open tunnels to handle the coming flood of traffic. Freight rail tonnage will rise nearly 90 percent by 2035, according to the Transportation Department. In the 1970s, tight federal regulation, cheap truck fuel and a wide-open interstate highway system conspired to cripple the railroad industry, driving many lines into bankruptcy. The nation's 300,000 miles of rails became a web of slow-moving, poorly maintained lines, so dilapidated in spots that tracks would give way under standing trains. The Staggers Rail Act of 1980 largely deregulated the industry, leading to a wave of consolidation. More than 40 major lines condensed into the seven that remain, running on 162,000 miles of track. But the changing global market has fueled prosperity -- and the need to add track for the first time in 80 years. Soaring diesel prices and a driver shortage have pushed freight from 18-wheelers back onto the rails. At the same time, China's unquenchable appetite for coal and the escalating U.S. demand for Chinese goods, means more U.S. rail traffic is heading to ports in the Northwest, on its way to and from the Far East. Coal still accounts for the most tonnage hauled by U.S. railroads, but it is the ocean-crossing shipping container -- carrying autos, toys, furniture and nearly every product a consumer will buy -- that has lit a rocket under the railroad industry. Passenger rail traffic is also increasing; 2007 was Amtrak's fifth consecutive year of increased ridership, up 6 percent from 2006. The zeitgeist has even dropped a "green" gift in the industry's lap. A train can haul a ton of freight 423 miles on one gallon of diesel fuel, about a 3-to-1 fuel efficiency advantage over 18-wheelers, and the railroad industry is increasingly touting itself as an eco-friendly alternative. Trucking firms also use the rail lines; UPS is the railroad industry's biggest customer. Rail traffic, revenue and profit began to soar in 2002-03 and seem largely immune to the economic downturn. Last Tuesday, for instance, CSX reported a record first-quarter profit. On Friday, the stock price of Western rail giant Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) hit an all-time high. At the industry's nadir in the 1970s, the average annual rate of return on investment for a railroad company was 1.2 percent. By 2006, that number was 10.2 percent. And even though the economic slump has reduced key traffic about 4 percent this year compared with last, it has not slowed the railroads' urgent tracklaying. Capital expenditures this year are up, as the railroads think the downturn is temporary, said the industry's trade group, the Association of American Railroads. Seven railways control nearly all of the freight shipped in the United States. In the West, they are, from largest to smallest by track mileage, Union Pacific, BNSF, Canadian Pacific/Soo Line and Kansas City Southern. In the East, they are Norfolk Southern, CSX and the Canadian National/Grand Trunk lines. Most of them have extensive expansions planned or underway. The companies are attracting the attention of big-money investors, such as Berkshire Hathaway Chairman Warren E. Buffett, who sees a future in the Industrial Age behemoths. Buffett, a Washington Post Co. director, began loading up on shares of BNSF last year and is now its largest shareholder, with more than 18 percent of its outstanding stock. The industry estimates it will take $148 billion in expansion to carry the amount of traffic anticipated by 2035. Of that, the railroad companies will contribute $96 billion, said the industry's trade group. The rest would have to come from the federal government and the states. The railroads argue that more trains mean fewer trucks on the road and less air pollution, public benefits that the public should help pay for. Further, the railroads could not achieve the profits they say Wall Street demands without government subsidies. The railroads seek a tax credit, backed by Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), that would help them expand further. Meanwhile, the railroad industry's long-standing antitrust exemption has attracted the attention of lawmakers. They seek to eliminate the exemption and closely examine the rates railroads charge to haul freight, which the industry says would cripple its expansion at a critical time. The railroads' rate structure has also drawn the ire of some of their customers: Nearly 30 antitrust lawsuits have been filed against major railroads in recent months, including one by agri-giant Archer Daniels Midland last month, alleging collusion and price-fixing. For some lawmakers and advocacy groups, today's rail industry recalls that of the late 1800s, when the only ceiling on rates was the limit of a rail baron's avarice. The railroads say today's rates are reasonable and reflect something the industry has not had in decades: pricing power. "Customers had gotten used to rates going down all those years, and all of the sudden, they're not anymore," Norfolk Southern vice president James A. Hixon said in an interview. "They don't like it." Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), whose state depends on trains carrying coal, introduced a bill last year that the railroad industry derides as the "Reregulation Act." The legislation, which has not been scheduled for a floor vote, would allow shippers to easily challenge railroad rates at the Surface Transportation Board, which regulates the rail industry. Now, some shippers say, they have almost no recourse if they think the railroads are gouging them. "It's a byzantine system, and it's rigged against the shippers," said Robert Szabo, executive director of Consumers United for Rail Equity, a coalition of shippers who say that the railroads' monopoly pricing structure raises the cost of consumer goods. The railroads "have been in a seller's market since 2004," said Szabo, whose group backs Rockefeller's legislation. Sen. Herb Kohl (D-Wis.) introduced a bill last year that would remove the railroads' antitrust exemption. Unlike other industries, the Department of Justice cannot block a merger between rail companies, and the STB has been criticized for siding too often with the industry. "Competition has virtually gone away," Kohl said in an interview. His bill has not been scheduled for a floor vote. "They have carved up the country, and each [railroad] controls its vast area." Sen. Byron L. Dorgan (D-N.D.), a co-sponsor of both bills, cites an example: The railroads charge four times as much to ship a carload of grain from Bismarck, N.D., to Minneapolis as they do to ship it from Minneapolis to Chicago, although the distances are about equal. The reason: Shippers have only one choice of railroad out of Bismarck. The railroad industry calls it "differential pricing," and "it occurs every day in the airline industry," said Edward R. Hamberger, president of the railroad trade group. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48616	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041

Yes, all L-AF made in the last five years has been assembled in China, including every steam engine. The Big Boy will be made there, as well. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 4/24/2008 7:56:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Isn't Lionel AF made in China? Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48617	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: AF Lionel Display at York -couplers [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041

The knuckle couplers offered by SHS and AM rarely dependably uncouple automatically with Gilbert 704 manual or 705 RC uncouplers. To be truly Gilbert compatible, their use with Flyer 705s MUST be fool proof. Otherwise, what's the point? The plastic actuators (roughly equivalent to the coupler weight on the Gilbert designs) on the SHS and AM couplers are a bit too high and the mounting is too compliant (e.g., floppy) to work well. There is one version of the AM coupler with a narrow actuator with which remote uncoupling is completely impossible with the dual-bladed 705. It fouls nicely with Gilbert switch frogs, however. The current Lionel version is on the verge of working if only the knuckle would just open up more. The problem is painfully well-known by most who operate the modern S gauge trains on traditional Flyer layouts. It is incomprehensible why none of the three amigos offers a good working Gilbert-style knuckle coupler. The original Gilbert works superbly (of course) and Doug Peck has a new repro that also works well. It ain't rocket science. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 4/24/2008 7:56:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: The various versions of knuckle couplers provided by Lionel are not good, to be sure, but the so-called “Gilbert-compatible” couplers supplied by their two main competitors are not much better. STRANGE, first I ever heard that one. Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48618	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: AF Lionel Display at York -couplers [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041

On some, like the L/AF Docksider it's easy to change over to the re-po of the Gilbert coupler. rbubeck327@... wrote: The knuckle couplers offered by SHS and AM rarely dependably uncouple automatically with Gilbert 704 manual or 705 RC uncouplers. To be truly Gilbert compatible, their use with Flyer 705s MUST be fool proof. Otherwise, what's the point? The plastic actuators (roughly equivalent to the coupler weight on the Gilbert designs) on the SHS and AM couplers are a bit too high and the mounting is too compliant (e.g., floppy) to work well. There is one version of the AM coupler with a narrow actuator with which remote uncoupling is completely impossible with the dual-bladed 705. It fouls nicely with Gilbert switch frogs, however. The current Lionel version is on the verge of working if only the knuckle would just open up more. The problem is painfully well-known by most who operate the modern S gauge trains on traditional Flyer layouts. It is incomprehensible why none of the three amigos offers a good working Gilbert-style knuckle coupler. The original Gilbert works superbly (of course) and Doug Peck has a new repro that also works well. It ain't rocket science. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 4/24/2008 7:56:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: The various versions of knuckle couplers provided by Lionel are not good, to be sure, but the so-called “Gilbert-compatible” couplers supplied by their two main competitors are not much better. STRANGE, first I ever heard that one. Jim Lyle --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48619	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York -couplers [S-Trains] Digest Number 404

I misunderstood the criticism of the couplers at first. I have always considered the SHS uncouplers far superior to the Gilbert or Flyonel couplers. That is because the SHS couplers do a good job of staying coupled in operation and the Gilbert and Flyonel couplers do not. And I like to run long trains and it makes a huge difference that the couplers stay coupled. I do not do much switching and thus I guess I have missed the problems with automatic uncoupling. But in time I hope to have nearly all Kadee style couplers and it will be a moot point for me. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 4/24/2008 12:24:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rbubeck327@... writes: The knuckle couplers offered by SHS and AM rarely dependably uncouple automatically with Gilbert 704 manual or 705 RC uncouplers. To be truly Gilbert compatible, their use with Flyer 705s MUST be fool proof. Otherwise, what's the point? The plastic actuators (roughly equivalent to the coupler weight on the Gilbert designs) on the SHS and AM couplers are a bit too high and the mounting is too compliant (e.g., floppy) to work well. There is one version of the AM coupler with a narrow actuator with which remote uncoupling is completely impossible with the dual-bladed 705. It fouls nicely with Gilbert switch frogs, however. The current Lionel version is on the verge of working if only the knuckle would just open up more. The problem is painfully well-known by most who operate the modern S gauge trains on traditional Flyer layouts. It is incomprehensible why none of the three amigos offers a good working Gilbert-style knuckle coupler. The original Gilbert works superbly (of course) and Doug Peck has a new repro that also works well. It ain't rocket science. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 4/24/2008 7:56:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) writes: The various versions of knuckle couplers provided by Lionel are not good, to be sure, but the so-called “Gilbert-compatible” couplers supplied by their two main competitors are not much better. STRANGE, first I ever heard that one. Jim Lyle **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48620	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: RR Article

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer A train can haul a ton of freight 423 miles on one gallon of diesel fuel, about a 3-to-1 fuel efficiency advantage over 18-wheelers,. . . . . . . . .. . . . > > > > > > > > > > That's an interesting article; more people should be aware. The following is not meant to be argumentative, because I'm sure there are different methods of calculating this, and different data going in to the calculations as well. But I got my April Railway Age magazine today, and one article says that a US Maritime Administration study has shown that one gallon of fuel can move a ton of freight 59 miles by truck, 202 miles by rail, and 514 miles by barge. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48621	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: YORK

I Loved all the stories about YORK. Wish I could have been there. Sorry to here about table theft, but it is going to be a part of our society, especially with the economy in the dumps. But this can not take away from the friendship discovered between people who love toys and toy trains, toys from our child hood. People who steal at these shows, Thinking they are pursuing there collection, getting away with a collectable with out paying, this will come back to bite them. THEY will never discover what this is all about. Milk caps, trains, old cars,cats, dogs, family, spouses, and some who we have lost and some in harms way. WE have developed a friendship through our junk ( trains ) . As Louis Redman always said, when he was ask to speak at our convention, we have more than a piece of tin, we have friendship. God Bless America Jerry HR 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48622	From: rj4010d	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Display at York -couplers [S-Trains] Digest Number 404

I put a strip of balsa between the metal on the uncoupler & tapered the balsa on the ends. The K-Line coupler ( S-Helper?) works the best of ALL BRANDS.You also have to keep in mind that wheel gauge is important on coupling also. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > I misunderstood the criticism of the couplers at first. I have always > considered the SHS uncouplers far superior to the Gilbert or Flyonel couplers. > That is because the SHS couplers do a good job of staying coupled in operation > and the Gilbert and Flyonel couplers do not. And I like to run long trains > and it makes a huge difference that the couplers stay coupled. I do not do > much switching and thus I guess I have missed the problems with automatic > uncoupling. But in time I hope to have nearly all Kadee style couplers and it > will be a moot point for me. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > In a message dated 4/24/2008 12:24:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > rbubeck327@... writes: > > > > > The knuckle couplers offered by SHS and AM rarely dependably uncouple > automatically with Gilbert 704 manual or 705 RC uncouplers. To be truly > Gilbert > compatible, their use with Flyer 705s MUST be fool proof. Otherwise, what's > the > point? The plastic actuators (roughly equivalent to the coupler weight on > the > Gilbert designs) on the SHS and AM couplers are a bit too high and the > mounting is too compliant (e.g., floppy) to work well. There is one version > of the > AM coupler with a narrow actuator with which remote uncoupling is completely > impossible with the dual-bladed 705. It fouls nicely with Gilbert switch > frogs, however. The current Lionel version is on the verge of working if > only the > knuckle would just open up more. > > The problem is painfully well-known by most who operate the modern S gauge > trains on traditional Flyer layouts. It is incomprehensible why none of the > three amigos offers a good working Gilbert-style knuckle coupler. The > original > Gilbert works superbly (of course) and Doug Peck has a new repro that also > works well. It ain't rocket science. > > Bob Bubeck > > > > In a message dated 4/24/2008 7:56:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) writes: > > The various versions of knuckle couplers provided by Lionel are not good, to > be sure, but the so-called “Gilbert-compatible” couplers supplied by their > two main competitors are not > much better. > > STRANGE, first I ever heard that one. > > Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48623	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Fw: Fw: Road Bed

I highly recommend Vinyl roadbed for anyone in the future, as the new product is great. I just wanted to share some emails between me and Hobby Innovations. Mine is below. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joann Sovia To: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: RE: Fw: Road Bed Dear Mr. Marmer, I know you won't believe it, but I am just about as happy as you are! Since 4/1, we have been cutting and shipping Flexxbed all over the country at a furious pace. It is just so thrilling to receive emails like yours from those tough individuals that have hung in there with us during these trying times. We absolutely have the best customers in the world! I look forward to hearing your progress reports. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Sincerely, Joann Sovia Hobby Innovations P.O. Box 676 Mountain City TN 37683 423-727-8000 Joann@... www.HobbyInnovations.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fw: Road Bed From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Date: Thu, April 24, 2008 5:17 pm To: "Joann Sovia" <Joann@...> Hi Joann, As you can see below, I am pretty excited that the roadbed is here! It looks wonderful and I am sure it will be fine. Linda will be happy to see it later too! I will keep you up todate on my progress with it. Thank you so much. Mike Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Road Bed THE ROAD BED HAS ARRIVED!!!!! It is great! I got 4 good pieces down with screws. Bends really easy. The sides are at the proper angle and the width for the track is prefect. 1/4" high. Now I need to order more ballast!!!!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48624	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Road Bed

THE ROAD BED HAS ARRIVED!!!!! It is great! I got 4 good pieces down with screws. Bends really easy. The sides are at the proper angle and the width for the track is prefect. 1/4" high. Now I need to order more ballast!!!!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48625	From: Scale S Only	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: YORK

Good thoughts... Thanks! Bill Winans WE have developed a friendship through our junk ( trains ) . As Louis Redman always said, when he was ask to speak at our convention, we have more than a piece of tin, we have friendship. God Bless America Jerry HR 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48626	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Fw: road bed

Something I sent to Vinyl roadbed. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Joann Sovia Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: road bed Joan, This might give you a good laugh. I show my wife, Linda, who loves the trains and York, how the roadbed goes down under the track. And how it is easy to align the ties on it and screw the track to the roadbed. And then I showed her how the roadbed curves very easy. She said, "Heck, I can do this!" Hope that made your year of trying to get orders out! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48627	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Couplers (was Lionel AF York Display) [S-Trains] Digest Number 4

I haven't had any problems with parting with the current Lionel AF design. The shortcoming of the current design is the opposite one. They do not open sufficiently for properly uncoupling. If one's desire is to just run long trains, a solid knuckle would do the trick. Another factor is that the rolling resistance for everyone's new rolling stock is lower than for vintage Gilbert, thus aiding in the prevention of unwanted uncoupling. Sounds like Kadees are a great solution for you, which is all well and good, but not, unfortunately, for the Flyer operators who wish to mix new with vintage. Any coupler design that does not function well automatically with a 705 is not truly Gilbert compatible. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 4/25/2008 8:05:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I misunderstood the criticism of the couplers at first. I have always considered the SHS uncouplers far superior to the Gilbert or Flyonel couplers. That is because the SHS couplers do a good job of staying coupled in operation and the Gilbert and Flyonel couplers do not. And I like to run long trains and it makes a huge difference that the couplers stay coupled. I do not do much switching and thus I guess I have missed the problems with automatic uncoupling. But in time I hope to have nearly all Kadee style couplers and it will be a moot point for me. - Earl Henry, Nashville **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48628	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Couplers (was Lionel AF Display) [S-Trains] Digest Number 4041

Agreed. I've done this, too. Be sure the change the centering spring to one that is more compliant, as well. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 4/25/2008 8:05:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: On some, like the L/AF Docksider it's easy to change over to the re-po of the Gilbert coupler. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48629	From: Jim V	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Repairing truck side plates

Roger, I have been successful using a 2-part epoxy, the kind that comes in the double barrel tube with plungers.  I used the red - the fast setting one (available at Home Depot).  Clean the parts and reassemble, I restake as best I can then set the epoxy in the bent metal channel creating a fillet in the area wihere it connects to the sideframe.  I have done at least a half dozen this way, the oldest about 6 years, and so far no failures. Good luck JimmyV in Arizona ----- Original Message ---- From: Roger Petrella <rogerpjr@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:44:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Repairing truck side plates It's been a while since I've had to make some repairs to cars with the sintered iron sideplate trucks. Now I got a large quantity of trucks with missing sideplates that need repaired. The last time I did it I removed the truck, drilled a tiny hole through the metal and into the sideplate, and tapped the sideplate for a 2-56 screw. It works, but isn't completely invisible and takes a lot of time. Anyone got any better methods to re-attach the sideplates so they won't fall off again?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48630	From: Al	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Gargraves Wooden Ties For Sale

I have for sale some Gargraves wooden ties that can be added to the Gargraves track or you can place them under your American Flyer track to make the track look more real. There are 26 S-Gauge ties and 127 0- Gauge ties. You can use both under AF track. The total weight of these ties + shipping box will be slightly less than one pound. I would like to sell these fast. Send your offer OFFLINE to my e-mail address at -> alsflyer@... I am willing to trade/swap the ties for some item you might have for sale. Thanks Bamberger Railroad Company Al Rawdon, owner/operator Layton, Utah REMEMBER ....... S-GAUGE IS THE BEST GAUGE!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48631	From: Al	Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: RAILMASTER TRACK CONNECTING HARD RUBBER PADS - #1969279

I recently bought some misc boxes of AF trains from a garage sale. Among the items was a small bag of Railmaster rubber pads. I didn't know what they were until I found an old posting by Marty Thorin regarding these pads - they apparantly are used to connect AF tracks so they do not separate. There were some photos that Paul York had posted but I could not get them to load but these have the same dimensions and part number as what was posted by Marty Thorin. I can take some photos of these is anyone is interested in them. There are 35 of these Railmaster hard rubber track connecting pads in the bag. They weigh about 2 pounds or so. They are a bit dirty but I have not washed them or cleaned them in any way since I'm not sure what to clean them with. I didn't want them to be damaged if I used the wrong cleaner. I have no idea what they are worth but would like to sell them. If anyone is interested in these Railmaster track connecting hard rubber pads, Please e-mail me offline if you would like to purchase these pads plus pay for the shipping cost. E-Mail: alsflyer@... Thanks, Bamberger Railroad Company Al Rawdon, owner/operator Layton, Utah REMEMBER ..... S-GAUGE IS THE BEST GAUGE!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48632	From: warren_chadbourne	Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: S-Scale Bears

Hi, Does anyone know where I can find some Bears to use on an S-Scale layout? I don't mean the kiddie toy cute ones, I mean ones that actually look like bears? Thanks Bud

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48633	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale Bears

Try Petsmart. They have some in different sizes. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48634	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Toledo Area Train Show

I will be selling SHS, AM, DPH, and other S scale / S gauge trains at the train show at the Lucas County fair grounds tomorrow, Sunday 27 April, 11A - 4P. No American Flyer but 98% of the goods is AF-compatible. Tom Hawley dba Michigan Models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48635	From: michael prell	Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale Bears

I've heard that Doug Peck actually has S-scale Bear crap. Comes in really tiny little packages! anormal1@... wrote: Try Petsmart. They have some in different sizes. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48636	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/27/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48637	From: Paul Limone	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale Bears

You might try Arttista or Scenic Express - although O gauge, they should work . On 4/26/08, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > I've heard that Doug Peck actually has S-scale Bear crap. Comes in > really tiny little packages! > > anormal1@... <anormal1%40aol.com> wrote: Try Petsmart. They have some > in different sizes. Mike > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore 97501 > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used > car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Break out the Katanas, Folks! > The inmates are running the institution! > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48638	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale Bears

Prieser has a very nice of painted 1:72 scale animals. One set is bears, I would try them, I saw a set of 3 bears at York. Best, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48639	From: Al	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: sold: RAILMASTER TRACK CONNECTING HARD RUBBER PADS - #1969279

I have SOLD the Railmaster track pads. Thanks for all the inquires. The Wooden Gargraves ties are still up for grabs. Selling these cheap if anyone is intersted. Bamberger Railroad Company Al Rawdon, owner/operator Layton, Utah Remember ... S GAUGE IS THE BEST GAUGE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48640	From: John	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Road Bed

Hi Mike How about some pictures of your new roadbed?? John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48641	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale Bears

I saw a few real looking bears going through the halls at York as a few again smelled like a bear. I guess some who go to York never heard of a shower. Road bed going down well but hit a stumbling block with the AM uncouplers for the ASG track. Might have to get some AM track to solve this problem. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Scale Bears Prieser has a very nice of painted 1:72 scale animals. One set is bears, I would try them, I saw a set of 3 bears at York. Best, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48642	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/27/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48643	From: jhwysopal	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: speaker wiring on a 375

I recently purchased a 375 T&P switcher. In the process of cleaning the motor and reverse units, I broke the wires to the diesel roar speaker. One is a 1 inch bare wire and the other is about 2 1/2 inches with a yellow insulation. What do I solder them to? Thanks for your help, Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48644	From: Don Rosa	Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: S-Scale Bears

Bud, Try Keith Elson's website at http://www.metalfigures.net I have several of his bears. You may want to email him as only one of the bears that I have show up on his website (pag 15 0r 16). The RailMen Company in Irvine, CA also has excellent figures. He only used to sell at TCA show but I have not seen him for awhile. There are also a few makers of "bare" figures that have a booth a York. Good hunting! Don Rosa ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48645	From: Michael Martino	Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Fwd: I'm glad you rode my train

This is great makes you reflect for a moment...and since it has to do with traines thought I'd pass it along mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48646	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Smoke in tender mod

We have posted a new photo of our smoke in tender can motor modification along with a smoke piston conversion. You can see the photo and captions at our web site _www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com) . You will find it in the products section under can motors. Just click on the photos to navigate. It is in album format. Steve SnS Trains Boise **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48647	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: S-Scale Bears

Thank you for the suggestions. I have ordered or am in the process of ordering from each of the sources you have suggested. If any of you think of other sources, I would be interested. Thank you again Bud

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48648	From: Michael Martino	Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Fwd: I'm glad you rode my train

sorry did it wrong Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48649	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: TOFC

It would appear that American Models has finally got the trailer-carrying flatcars ready to ship. http://americanmodels.com/rolling.stock/46.foot.flat.html Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48650	From: william cole	Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: TOFC

nice, I want to include some type of faciity like this on my pike (in the planning stages....) Bc --- Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: > It would appear that American Models has finally got > the trailer-carrying flatcars ready to ship. > > http://americanmodels.com/rolling.stock/46.foot.flat.html > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48651	From: bw_hansen	Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Log loaders

Can the newer Lionel log loader (787?) be altered to move the bigger logs used with the older 751's? I don't want to just start bending the wire pick-up piece and find out it's been tried already. Thanks Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48652	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Going to the Spring S Spree

Well, we're loading up the TrailBlazer for the trip to the Spring S Spree today. I've got the stuff for my 4x6 layout packed and will load this evening, to leave in the morning. Any one else on the list going? I'll bet there are! Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48653	From: John	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: Going to the Spring S Spree

I was hoping to go down there and get a chance to meet you and others on the list. Alas.... this is the weekend my boss chose for us to work!! Maybe some other time John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Going to the Spring S Spree > Well, we're loading up the TrailBlazer for the trip to the Spring S > Spree today. I've got the stuff for my 4x6 layout packed and will load > this evening, to leave in the morning. > Any one else on the list going? I'll bet there are! > Stumpy in Appalachia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48654	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: Going to the Spring S Spree

----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone . . . . . . . . . .Any one else on the list going? I'll bet there are!. . . . . . . . > > > > > > > I will be there dba Michigan Models, selling most S gauge brands except American Flyer. And no matter how much I bring, somebody always wants something I don't have. But there will be stuff you might not expect -- Spiral Hill coal hoppers, for instance. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48655	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: TOFC

It was about 8 or 9 years ago our club, The Central VA. Div. of the ACSG, came up with the idea for Ron to make a TOFC club car for us. We pre-sold a bunch of these cars on his promise he would have them to us in a few months. Some of you may even have bought one from us. We sent him full payment up front. Waited about 3 years and who knows how many e-mails asking where the cars were. He always had an excuse. We finally gave up and asked for our money back which he sent, and we returned the money to all of our buyers. Meantime, at Ron's request I had send a custom decorated "Overnite" trailer to him for a sample, which after several requests he never sent back to me, or a replacement. The only trailer I would want is a Soutern trailer and according to his web page he is out of stock on those. I also cannot find a price on his web page for these cars. Some of us in the club finally cast our own 5th wheel hitch and I made my own AM TOFC. Just a heads up on how the ACSG was treated. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > It would appear that American Models has finally got the trailer- carrying flatcars ready to ship. > > http://americanmodels.com/rolling.stock/46.foot.flat.html > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48656	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: TOFC

----- Original Message ----- From: rapidrail1 . . . . . The only trailer I would want is a Southern trailer and according to his web page he is out of stock on those. . . . . . . > > > > > > That AM Southern trailer represents a container on a chassis. Note the SOUU reporting letters. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48657	From: roy inman	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: TOFC-S Fest car

Surprise, surprise!!! I received my Campbell's Humpin' to Please TOFC from the 2007 S Fest in St. Louis. And a gorgeous piece of work it is!! It was worth the five months wait. Thanks to Moe Berk and the St. Louis S club for producing an excellent piece of rolling stock :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48658	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: 314AW Service Station Instructions

Hi- A bit ago someone asked for the Service Station instructions and exploded view diagram. I have posted scans of the three pages in the photo album "Bill's American Flyer" Bill Drake Central Virginia - the tornados missed us - phew!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48659	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: layout

The layout is coming along just fine, as I am 80% done with the roadbed. Being a collector of AF the last 17 years this is a whole new experience, as the track is now starting to look like a real layout. I am completely winging this, as I had the ups and downs, but things work out. Most of the power feed, switches, and uncoupler wires are now through drilled holes in the table top and underneath, no longer on top of the table. I have been running my S Helper DCC engines along with one AF Hudson DCC conversion and it looks great. I had a problem with the uncouplers I had to get, as my track does not have uncouplers yet. The uncouplers I have is made for a lower rail or lower code rail. So I had to use some cardboard to shimmy them up real tight to the track, once the ties are removed and now they working fine. I even started to put down some foam automobile roadway I got from Scenic Express, as I am making a RR crossing. With my box knife and more cardboard, it is going to look great the crossing. I see that cardboard is the most important thing in making a RR layout. LOL I ordered the ballast yesterday. S is Best! I think I should get that copyrighted! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48660	From: Edward G.	Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: NOMA Train station ...

Does anyone on list have an explosion diagram for the talking mechanisim ..or know where one is online...a friend on mine took my unit apart to replace the usual problem parts and has now forgot how to put it back together ...LOL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48661	From: John	Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: Re: NOMA Train station ...

I think they make cameras for that very purpose lol John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: [S-Trains] NOMA Train station ... > Does anyone on list have an explosion diagram for the talking > mechanisim ..or know where one is online...a friend on mine took my > unit apart to replace the usual problem parts and has now forgot how > to put it back together ...LOL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48662	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: Cruising Main Style 2 Advert, Update

Hi Gang, Just a quick note to let you know we finally have the Cruising Main Style 2 kits on the line. I am sorry it took so long to get around to making these kits, but I think it was well worth the wait. The final photos of the completed models have been posted here in the photos section and on our web page. The photos don't do them justice. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/811crusingmain.htm They will start to ship sometime in the middle of next week. Have a great day, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48663	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: Medical Report.

Layout is coming along just nicely with the roadbed. But now the layout medical report, as I was mainly a collector. Got my first second degree burn from the solder iron, as I handle the metal holder, not thinking! Slice a bit of skin on a finger with a box cutter, when cutting automotive roadway. S scale cats are doing just fine supervising the work. Beats the medical stuff I got from my hotel stay for York for one night. You will never believe it. Tomorrow, I hope to be doing the wiring for all the power feeds, as I will be getting 18 gauge stranded wiring for that. Nat's just beat the Pirates!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48664	From: 1sodak	Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: AF Prewar O Scale Switch

Hi Group, I know this forum is dedicated to AF post war S scale, but I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of a dealer of AF pre war parts. I have a three rail turnout that is in need of the pinion gear that is driven by the rack attached to the solenoid plunger. The pinion gear in turn moves the throw rod to move the points. The pinion gear in the switch I have is 'chewed' down, and no longer engages the rack properly. Thus the throw rod will not move the points. Thanks for any help you might send my way! Michael in San Jose.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48665	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: S Scale Cats

All has been quiet with the S Scale cats, so we place them all on top of a B&O box car on the cat walk. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48666	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: Lionel cares about uS?

Well maybe, but at least it appears they might do more to evolve AF products than perhaps meets the eye/ear, or they necessarily tell us about. In an effort to improve the sounds of my NP PABBA, I ordered a 6-48139 PRR Alco PB (circa 2005) from Nicholas Smith (25% off) Wed morning and it arrived yesterday (man are they fast). I haven't purchased a PA or PB in awhile so here are a few things that struck me about it – - Great packaging – original shipping carton with plastic bag protected Blue/Yellow AF box with clear-vue front panel. - Two, not 1, Sound Activation Buttons included (I don't use them anymore with CAB2 toggle, but used to confound me why they'd ship units with only one). - A paper sleeve, plastic bag, and blue satin ribbons without "Lionel" all over them wrapped around the B-unit in its styrofoam cradle- - safe and sound and then some. - Both trucks actually have 6 wheels (blind-flange middle sets), no more imagining there is the right number of wheels. - Both trucks have spring-loaded roller pick-ups, one on each side for a total of 4 pickups, not 2. - And the best part - - the horn - - it is way louder than the bell and clearly audible above the engine sounds no matter the volume setting or speed. Plus it has an acoustic or tonal quality much richer than earlier versions (the speaker is enclosed in a vented acoustical chamber), actually sounds similar to the ERR unit I put in my TMCC converted SF 470 last year. - Railsounds including brake squeal upon fast stops, TowerCom and CrewTalk triggered with a short horn blast when stopped. Pretty cool, especially for conventional control. There's supposed to be flange-scraping through tight turns as well, but haven't noticed that yet. - Well made side frames that you can remove completely without a wire soldered to them, the roller p.u.'s are cast in as part of the truck, not the side frame. Smart. I had to cut 2 posts out of the much earlier mfr'd NP PB shell and cut flush the inside walls of its silver side frames to install the new PRR PB chassis, but that work was well worth it considering how much better it sounds. I've always liked the looks of the NP NC Lmt'd set and the 8114 powered PA is a moose in terms of pulling power, but the sound system in the 8117 was disappointing. I remember running it at shows and people would ask "Does that have a horn?" - - just after I had sounded the horn. There's no doubt about that now. So while unfortunately a lot of things come to uS less than exactly perfect the first time, it seems at least the mfr's providing us the most to choose from (SHS, AF, and AM) are doing a reasonably responsible job of trying to improve their products along the way - - sometimes invisibly and/or in unannounced ways. Lionel improved the Mikado's and Pacifics after the first two (NYC and B&O) with more robust chuff switches, front pilot pickup, and better voltage regulated smoke units. S-Helper is on their 5th edition of their remote controlled S-Trax switches, etc., etc.. But at least they're trying. Sometimes they can be very trying. LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48667	From: Edward G.	Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: LIONEL Out of Bankruptcy....

The following is a press release from Lionel LLC 05/01/2008 Today, May 1, 2008, marks the end of one of the most dramatic and difficult periods in Lionel's 108 year history. After more than seven long years of legal warfare, a brutal financial restructuring, and a lot of corporate soul searching, Lionel has fully emerged from bankruptcy. In addition to the settlement with MTH, Lionel's emergence from bankruptcy has been achieved by paying all of its creditors all of the money they were owed, in addition to interest for all the time during which the company was in bankruptcy. As some of you might know, this is an extremely rare and beneficial outcome for creditors. This great result came at a high cost to Lionel's pre-bankruptcy owners: Luella Davis, Neil Young, and Dick Kughn. It's extremely gratifying that all of them will remain involved with the company, along with our new partners at Guggenheim Investment Management LLC, who provided much of the new money necessary for Lionel's successful exit from bankruptcy. More than enough has already been written about the lawsuit, and the events that followed, and it has undoubtedly been among the most closely followed and avidly reported civil legal actions in recent years. For me, though, the real story has been how so many people came together to rally around Lionel in one of its greatest hours of crisis. All model train fans are, by nature, students of history, which offers no greater lesson than the fact that desperate times create opportunities for heroic deeds. Our experience over these past few years has been no exception. As Charles Dickens said so well, "It was the best of times; it was the worst of times." The resolve of Lionel's ownership, the inspired and dedicated legal defense by our attorneys, and most of all, the steadfast loyalty and encouragement of our fans, gave all of us who work for Lionel the determination to weather the storm. In fact, the level of support and encouragement was so great that Lionel managed to do substantially more than just weather the storm. In the past three years, the company's sales have grown dramatically, and we have been able to create new products, gain a strong foothold in mainstream retail stores, and develop and release the much heralded, Legacy Control System. I wish I could personally thank each and every one of you for your patience and support throughout this long and arduous process, because the enduring strength of this company is a testament to your understanding and loyalty. Now that Lionel's legal and bankruptcy issues are finally behind us, we look forward to redoubling our efforts to fulfill our promise to create the best products of which we are capable. Best Regards, Jerry Calabrese

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48668	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: Re: AM Alco PA-1

I m not sure about the paint. What is wrong with just wiping it with a cotton rag?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48669	From: innotron	Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: AM Pacifics

Hi all, I am looking for some info on the American Models Pacific steamer. The only one that I have seen has some squeeking that occurs in sync with the chug. Is this typical? Also will it negeotiate back to back flyer switches without derailing? Any opinions or details can be sent to me off list at Innotron@.... Thanks alot, Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48670	From: roy inman	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics

My AM Pacific will not negotiate back to back Flyer switches, but then most of the engines I have tried won't either. That is why I no longer lay out track plans with such an configuration. The mileage of others may vary... Roy From: innotron <innotron@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 16:11:40 -0700 To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AM Pacifics Hi all, I am looking for some info on the American Models Pacific steamer. The only one that I have seen has some squeeking that occurs in sync with the chug. Is this typical? Also will it negeotiate back to back flyer switches without derailing? Any opinions or details can be sent to me off list at Innotron@... <mailto:Innotron%40adnc.com> . Thanks alot, Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48671	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel cares about uS?

Hello, Since you don't use the Lionel sound activation buttons, are you willing to sell any? Lou Templeton ----- Original Message ----- From: sgaugian To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel cares about uS? Well maybe, but at least it appears they might do more to evolve AF products than perhaps meets the eye/ear, or they necessarily tell us about. In an effort to improve the sounds of my NP PABBA, I ordered a 6-48139 PRR Alco PB (circa 2005) from Nicholas Smith (25% off) Wed morning and it arrived yesterday (man are they fast). I haven't purchased a PA or PB in awhile so here are a few things that struck me about it - - Great packaging - original shipping carton with plastic bag protected Blue/Yellow AF box with clear-vue front panel. - Two, not 1, Sound Activation Buttons included (I don't use them anymore with CAB2 toggle, but used to confound me why they'd ship units with only one). - A paper sleeve, plastic bag, and blue satin ribbons without "Lionel" all over them wrapped around the B-unit in its styrofoam cradle- - safe and sound and then some. - Both trucks actually have 6 wheels (blind-flange middle sets), no more imagining there is the right number of wheels. - Both trucks have spring-loaded roller pick-ups, one on each side for a total of 4 pickups, not 2. - And the best part - - the horn - - it is way louder than the bell and clearly audible above the engine sounds no matter the volume setting or speed. Plus it has an acoustic or tonal quality much richer than earlier versions (the speaker is enclosed in a vented acoustical chamber), actually sounds similar to the ERR unit I put in my TMCC converted SF 470 last year. - Railsounds including brake squeal upon fast stops, TowerCom and CrewTalk triggered with a short horn blast when stopped. Pretty cool, especially for conventional control. There's supposed to be flange-scraping through tight turns as well, but haven't noticed that yet. - Well made side frames that you can remove completely without a wire soldered to them, the roller p.u.'s are cast in as part of the truck, not the side frame. Smart. I had to cut 2 posts out of the much earlier mfr'd NP PB shell and cut flush the inside walls of its silver side frames to install the new PRR PB chassis, but that work was well worth it considering how much better it sounds. I've always liked the looks of the NP NC Lmt'd set and the 8114 powered PA is a moose in terms of pulling power, but the sound system in the 8117 was disappointing. I remember running it at shows and people would ask "Does that have a horn?" - - just after I had sounded the horn. There's no doubt about that now. So while unfortunately a lot of things come to uS less than exactly perfect the first time, it seems at least the mfr's providing us the most to choose from (SHS, AF, and AM) are doing a reasonably responsible job of trying to improve their products along the way - - sometimes invisibly and/or in unannounced ways. Lionel improved the Mikado's and Pacifics after the first two (NYC and B&O) with more robust chuff switches, front pilot pickup, and better voltage regulated smoke units. S-Helper is on their 5th edition of their remote controlled S-Trax switches, etc., etc.. But at least they're trying. Sometimes they can be very trying. LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48672	From: innotron	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics

Hi Roy, I appreciate your response. Although all my flyer locos can negotiate the back to back configuration, I have none larger than a Pacific. This is not a deal killer as I have 3 other loops without the switches back to back. The main question that interests me is the squeaking noise that I heard in sync with the chug on the only one I have seen in operation. Does yours squeak? By the way, I messed up my email address as it contains no capitals. It is innotron@.... Thank you, Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM Pacifics My AM Pacific will not negotiate back to back Flyer switches, but then most of the engines I have tried won't either. That is why I no longer lay out track plans with such an configuration. The mileage of others may vary... Roy From: innotron <innotron@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 16:11:40 -0700 To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AM Pacifics Hi all, I am looking for some info on the American Models Pacific steamer. The only one that I have seen has some squeeking that occurs in sync with the chug. Is this typical? Also will it negeotiate back to back flyer switches without derailing? Any opinions or details can be sent to me off list at Innotron@... <mailto:Innotron%40adnc.com> . Thanks alot, Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1411 - Release Date: 5/2/08 8:02 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48673	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics

Dear Roy, In the "no such thing as a dumb question" category, what is meant by an AM engine "negotiating back" to a Flyer switch? Do you simply mean backing an AM engine up through a Flyer switch? Tom Detmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48674	From: innotron	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics

Hi Tom, In my situation I have two AF switches connected to each other with the control boxes across from each other which forms kind of an S configuration on the track. I call that a back to back configuration which is my own terminology. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Detmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM Pacifics Dear Roy, In the "no such thing as a dumb question" category, what is meant by an AM engine "negotiating back" to a Flyer switch? Do you simply mean backing an AM engine up through a Flyer switch? Tom Detmer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 5/3/08 11:22 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48675	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/4/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48676	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics

That's what I understood it to be as it is normal terminology. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of innotron Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:42 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM Pacifics Hi Tom, In my situation I have two AF switches connected to each other with the control boxes across from each other which forms kind of an S configuration on the track. I call that a back to back configuration which is my own terminology. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Detmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM Pacifics Dear Roy, In the "no such thing as a dumb question" category, what is meant by an AM engine "negotiating back" to a Flyer switch? Do you simply mean backing an AM engine up through a Flyer switch? Tom Detmer ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 5/3/08 11:22 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48677	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics

Hi Alex, Thanks for the clarification. I understand what you mean but I wasn't sure about the prior description. Your's helps me. Tom innotron wrote: > > Hi Tom, > In my situation I have two AF switches connected to each other with > the control boxes across from each other which forms kind of an S > configuration on the track. I call that a back to back configuration > which is my own terminology. > Alex > ----- > > . > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48678	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Flyonel Christmas cars for sale

I recently purchased a batch of Christmas cars to complete my collection and will be selling duplicates of the ones that I already had: #48340 Holiday Wishes boxcar made in 2000. #48342 Seasons Greetings boxcar made in 2001. #48346 Christmas boxcar made in 2002. #48353 Holiday boxcar made in 2003. #48355 Christmas boxcar made in 2004. #48359 Happy Holidays boxcar made in 2005. All were advertised as C9 condition, Factory Brand New, all original and unused, in their original boxes. I have not yet received them, but will verify their condition and post their pictures on my website when they arrive. In the meantime, I have posted pictures of cars in my collection: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html Let me know if you're interested in any of them. I plan to list them on ebay on Wednesday or Thursday after they arrive. Bob --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48679	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Home safe from S'Spree

Hi everyone, I'm home, have the S"Spree car and the S-Fest car (just came while I was away) on the track running. Pictures from the S'Spree and of the cars on my track http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/jfred436/spree08/DSCF0651.JPG.html I hope that works. jfred --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48680	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Home safe from Spree, too...

Yup, we're back too. Talked to Fred, Tom Hawley, Tim Benner, Jerry Memmer, and others from the list during the event. Nice to speak with folks I usually only know from here on S-Trains. My little layout and bashed Flyer locos and other equipment were well accepted, no invitations to the parking lot from a collector for a whuppin' this year. The little railtruck was quite popular. Talked with Don Heimberger and bought a couple of items, including a Flyer history book to educate myself further. Also chatted with many of the other S gauge luminaries who were in attendance. There were some deals to be had, and some pricy stuff that seemed to be coming down in price to the point mere humans will be able to afford them. For instance, I saw several nice old Flyer 4-8-4 locos in the $400. to $450. range. (Don't worry collectors, that's safely well out of my price range!) Of course, there are those vendors who appear to be out of touch with reality. The $800. 4-8-4 and the severly scared B&O Timesaver boxcar at $70. were out of step with other stuff I saw there. I spent too much money in boxes under the tables and scratch and dent stuff on top. I have enough old Flyer observation cars to create one good one for my own railroad now. Found a scruffy but complete Hudson for $100., my first purchase of a whole loco! Got a Flyonel capola/bay window caboose real cheap for repainting into Rock Ridge livery too. I did get a few things for running without kitbashing or repainting, including a Spiral Hill hopper from Michigan Models. I got the parts Portlines never sent from Fred Jester which will allow me to complete yet another rebuilding project. The Miami Valley guys did a great job. The headquarters Drury Hotel was really a pleasure for those of us who must travel on a budget. Excellent room, great extra services free, nice people, and very reasonable rate. The Event site was spacious, well lighted, clean, and the hospitality room was well stocked and friendly. Cindy really enjoyed talking to everyone and running the layout. As her leaky heart valve will likely be keeping her home before long, this might have been her last Spree, and I thank everyone for making it a good one. Stumpy Stone...back home and tired in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48681	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Pacifc Rail Shops

Has cars in stores at a special of $17.95 no wheel, or trucks and no couplers. they were CP or SP. Where could one find Flyer trucks with the couplers to convert these scale to hi-rail. and maybe even a link coupler truck. I'll check the latest Sgaugian. Only one I bought since 10 years ago.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48682	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: A.M. engine with no box

but it did have the styrofom packing alone with instruction sheet. an it had shrink wrap on it. It had sound and hi-rail ac good buy. I wonder if any one makes a storage box for this size engine.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48683	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics

In my situation I have two AF switches connected to each other with the control boxes across from each other which forms kind of an S configuration on the track. I call that a back to back configuration which is my own terminology. Alex Hi, I didn’t catch the first of this thread, but if I understand you correctly two switches used together so the curvy routes are connected would be called a cross-over. Not to be confused with a crossing which is one track crossing another, like the Flyer 90° crossing. What is happen with the AM Pacific? I have recently been playing with one and I find its weight distribution to be a little different. I don’t know what to expect with a toy train, but with the AM Pacific most of the weight is behind the rear driver which leaves the front end very light. It is so light that I think the smallest bump would cause it to lift. Is that what is happening to yours? There is a video on my website (under Stead, in the Customer Gallery) of one dropping its rear driver into the frog of one of my turnouts. Tom Stoltz Tom’s Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48684	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifcs [S-Trains] Digest Number 4052

Alex, I have not had the squeak problem you describe with the AM Pacifics I do own or owned. Sample specific lubrication issue, maybe? AM Pacific trailing trucks derailing while reversing through a turned Gilbert switch is a decade old problem with these engines. I have dealt with this issue with some success by placing a very short section of Gilbert brush spring around the retaining screw between the pilot truck. This 'fix' works better for Gilbert 1946 and 47 Atlantics and Pacifics with the prewar style trailing truck, however, than is does for the AM Pacifics. Not knowing your purpose nor your budget, it can mentioned that the Lionel-AF Pacifics back through turned Gilbert switches beautifully. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 5/4/2008 6:49:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Hi all, I am looking for some info on the American Models Pacific steamer. The only one that I have seen has some squeaking that occurs in sync with the chug. Is this typical? Also will it negeotiate back to back flyer switches without derailing? Any opinions or details can be sent to me off list at _Innotron@..._ (mailto:Innotron@...) <mailto:Innotron%mailto:Inn> . Thanks alot, Alex **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48685	From: william cole	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: A.M. engine with no box

reboxx probably the O scale boxes would work best.... http://www.reboxx.com/boxes.htm Bc --- mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > but it did have the styrofom packing alone with > instruction sheet. > an it had shrink wrap on it. It had sound and > hi-rail ac good buy. > I wonder if any one makes a storage box for this > size engine. > > > Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48686	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Smoke in tender mod

Steve you have a real nice shop with a lot of room too. Clayton S. D. --- On Mon, 4/28/08, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: > From: boss31@... <boss31@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke in tender mod > To: nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 7:29 PM > We have posted a new photo of our smoke in tender can motor > modification > along with a smoke piston conversion. You can see the photo > and captions at our > web site _www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com) . > > > You will find it in the products section under can motors. > Just click on the > photos to navigate. It is in album format. > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48687	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics

Sounds like a "crossover". - Earl Henry, Nashville ===================== In a message dated 5/3/2008 5:48:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, innotron@... writes: Hi Tom, In my situation I have two AF switches connected to each other with the control boxes across from each other which forms kind of an S configuration on the track. I call that a back to back configuration which is my own terminology. Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48688	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: A.M. engine with no box

or American Models will sell you a box...at least has in the past. gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: william cole To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.M. engine with no box reboxx probably the O scale boxes would work best.... http://www.reboxx.com/boxes.htm Bc --- mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > but it did have the styrofom packing alone with > instruction sheet. > an it had shrink wrap on it. It had sound and > hi-rail ac good buy. > I wonder if any one makes a storage box for this > size engine. > > > Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48689	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/4/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48690	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Smoke in tender mod

Thanks, and it stays busy too. I shipped 6 completed jobs today. (yep, it's Sunday) Still 5 jobs in the shop right now. In a message dated 05/04/2008 12:10:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, uvl97222@... writes: Steve you have a real nice shop with a lot of room too. Clayton S. D. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48691	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Pacifc Rail Shops (regarding Flyer trucks)

We have lots of original Gilbert Flyer trucks. Both knuckle and link. Some of them are even new old stock. Steve SnS Trains Boise.,FDL In a message dated 05/04/2008 6:17:30 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mikenguy9@... writes: Has cars in stores at a special of $17.95 no wheel, or trucks and no couplers. they were CP or SP. Where could one find Flyer trucks with the couplers to convert these scale to hi-rail. and maybe even a link coupler truck. I'll check the latest Sgaugian. Only one I bought since 10 years ago. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48692	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: AF Casey Jones Experiment

Hi I have wanted to detail one. I did not know they would not run on DC. I think I found the prototype. We need to ask the group. Jim Sleeth --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48693	From: Grant	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Craigslist and the idiots who want flyer

I always see an ad,"I am looking for old Lionel and American flyer trains at reasonable prices. Please let me know what you have and your best price." I only sell at unreasonable or the worst prices?!?! Or then there is the trash that people ask $$$$ that they didn't bother even removing the slime from Before ebay I could understand this, now, come on! I called one and asked what he was looking for once.... all he could say was american flyer To which I said I had quite a bit but what in particular? He didn't even know what to say I guess everyone wants a truckload for $5 Sorry, it might be the Sharks are behind and I need to be upset about something.... but that would make sense

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48694	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: AF Casey Jones Experiment

Of course they WILL run on dc. Reversing is carried out by turning off the controller an instant and then turning back on just as the original AC controller did. Only thing is the reversers may stick after a while but its only a matter of passing an ac current through the loco from time to time to demagnetize the reverser. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JAMES SLEETH Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:53 AM To: trainz4brainz@...; s trains list; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re:AF Casey Jones Experiment Hi I have wanted to detail one. I did not know they would not run on DC. I think I found the prototype. We need to ask the group. Jim Sleeth --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48695	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Casey Jones experiment

Okay, here's an idea for a Casey Jones...especially if you want to run DC track power! Use the chassis from the Flyonel Docksider under it to make a low driver 4-6-0. Remove the electronics and the worthless smoke and choo=choo from the Docksider chassis and you're back to a good running, basic chassis with a DC can motor. A Suethe smoke unit will fit in the stack and do better anyway, and you can put a small light bulb in the headlight. Relatively inexpensive and free of complication, and it will run rings around the original drive. The Casey Jones boiler looks okay back to the cab, which is about O scale and the windows are solid. I'd try an On30 cab on it since you'll be using a shorter chassis now. Maybe an old Flyer Atlantic cab would work too. For a tender, I'd suggest using one from a Franklin, or maybe cut the coal bunker down to the water tank level and putting a new deck on the Casey Jones one to back date it. Sure, this would be a lot of work, but you'd have a loco that looked more like a real late 1800s, early 1900s engine. The real Casey Jones rode old number 382 to Glory and it was a 4-6-0 as I recall. Just a project idea for an overlooked Flyer engine... Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48696	From: charlie and edith	Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Pacifc Rail Shops (regarding Flyer trucks)

Greetings Steve! Would you have a physically complete AF 630 Caboose with tired paint or worn lettering? One that could be repainted and not remove a collectible from the market? Thought if one was available I could combine it with a truck order? Thanks for your thoughts, Charlie in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Pacifc Rail Shops (regarding Flyer trucks) We have lots of original Gilbert Flyer trucks. Both knuckle and link. Some of them are even new old stock. Steve SnS Trains Boise.,FDL In a message dated 05/04/2008 6:17:30 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mikenguy9@... writes: Has cars in stores at a special of $17.95 no wheel, or trucks and no couplers. they were CP or SP. Where could one find Flyer trucks with the couplers to convert these scale to hi-rail. and maybe even a link coupler truck. I'll check the latest Sgaugian. Only one I bought since 10 years ago. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48697	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Wiring

My layout is coming along just fine. road bed is all down, except for my rail yard. I have all power feeds hooked in a line of 18 G stranded wire, both base and variable. My question now is about wiring some other things. How do I connect all the control boxes for uncouplers and accessories to the transformer, being base and fix. What I mean is how do I avoid having a million wires to the transformer. I there some kind of power strip I need to get where all the base and fixed wired are screwed into making just one connection to the transformer. Switches are being hooked up like HO switches. thanks for any advice. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48698	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring

Hi Michael, I prefer to use barrier terminal strips for distribution of this sort. They can be bought from a variety of sources including Radio Shack (274-670 ), Jameco (231036 or 231415) or Digkey (look for barrier terminal block). There are metal clips that span several of the screw connectors on one side or you can string solid wire loops between them to distribute power to several things. The other side provides connection to what ever you want. When I am feeling particularly organized, I will crimp connectors onto the ends of the wires to make the connection to the screw terminals as easy as possible. Mostly, I just tin any stranded wires, bend a hook in the end and place it around the screw before tightening it. It is a very good idea to label the connections on the strip and a notebook with all of the information is also very handy for trouble shooting in the years ahead. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:30 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring My layout is coming along just fine. road bed is all down, except for my rail yard. I have all power feeds hooked in a line of 18 G stranded wire, both base and variable. My question now is about wiring some other things. How do I connect all the control boxes for uncouplers and accessories to the transformer, being base and fix. What I mean is how do I avoid having a million wires to the transformer. I there some kind of power strip I need to get where all the base and fixed wired are screwed into making just one connection to the transformer. Switches are being hooked up like HO switches. thanks for any advice. Mike Marmer ._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48699	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring

Mike- Radio Shack has the type of parts I use. The European style is easier to wire, but the barrier type has the jumper strip to connect all of the terminals to one circuit. Use one series to expand the Base Post and another to expand the 15 Volt Post. Then each accessory has its own screw terminal. You can either wrap the wire around the screw before tightening or use a crimp on lug for a more industrial strength solution. Radio Shack catalog page URL: http://www.radioshack.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2032289&cp=2032058.2032231 Similar parts are available from Mouser and DigiKey and may be less money especially if you are buying quantity. Bill Drake Central and now leafy Virginia --- Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > My layout is coming along just fine. > > road bed is all down, except for my rail yard. > > I have all power feeds hooked in a line of 18 G > stranded wire, both base and variable. > > My question now is about wiring some other things. > > How do I connect all the control boxes for > uncouplers and accessories to the transformer, being > base and fix. What I mean is how do I avoid having > a million wires to the transformer. > > I there some kind of power strip I need to get where > all the base and fixed wired are screwed into making > just one connection to the transformer. > > Switches are being hooked up like HO switches. > > thanks for any advice. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48700	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring

I run an 18V bus and a base bus around the layout. Each bus is then connected to a 30B transformer. That way I can directly wire any accessory, uncoupler, etc. directly from the bus. I also have three separate 5 - 18V buses to power each of my track loops. The switches are brought back to a common control area and then wired to another 18V 30B so the switches snap good. I place a rheostat in line for any accessory that needs less than 18V. You can see a typical bus setup here: http://tinyurl.com/64cyz7 BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > My layout is coming along just fine. > > road bed is all down, except for my rail yard. > > I have all power feeds hooked in a line of 18 G stranded wire, both base and variable. > > My question now is about wiring some other things. > > How do I connect all the control boxes for uncouplers and accessories to the transformer, being base and fix. What I mean is how do I avoid having a million wires to the transformer. > > I there some kind of power strip I need to get where all the base and fixed wired are screwed into making just one connection to the transformer. > > Switches are being hooked up like HO switches. > > thanks for any advice. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48701	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring

Michael - Glad to hear the layout is coming along. Here's a couple lessons I learned along the way on wiring. I found the best way to set up the base (grounding) circuit is to use the ground bars intended to be installed in residential breaker boxes. These are long strips ( I've found strips with up to 16 screws) that are all-metal ( no insulation). I positioned four of them around the perimeter of my walk-around lay-out, one on each side. They are daisy-chain wired. In other words, a heavy wire (12 or 14 ga) runs from the base post to the first strip, another heavy wire from the first strip to the second, and so forth around the table. You can run a final heavy wire back to the transformer base post from the last strip in line if you like, though it isn't critical. Your 18 ga. base wires from your accessories then go to the strips with a minimum of length. For running power to accessories, the terminal strips others have talked about are what I use. Buy the largest you can find. They come in "pairs" . I've seen them as small as 2-pair, and as large as 10-pair. The ten-pair will give you 20 screws to attach power wires to, assuming you use the jumpers to energize all the screws. Radio Shack does sell the jumper strips that fit perfectly, but in a pinch, I've made my own out of copper sheeting and wire. I say to get the largest strips you can find, because, in my experience ( and I have a small lay-out) you just can't have too many power sources. I daisy-chain four accessory power strips around my lay-out, just as I did the base strips and run 18 ga. wire to the accessory. I run 12 ga. power wire from the fixed post of my accessory transformer ( I use a separate transformer for this) to the first strip and on around the lay-out. I have another fixed-current strip near my transformer that I use for my turnouts and turnout controllers. This minimizes the length of wiring for them and makes sure I have enough wattage to "snap" my turnouts open and closed. I run this strip off the fixed post of the transformer I use for my track. For the track, I use what's called "star" routing. In this method, I mounted a power strip under my table in the center of my layout. One heavy 12 gauge wire runs from the variable post of the transformer to the strip. From that strip, shorter 18 ga. wires radiate out in all directions to various points around the inside rail of the track loop, hence the term "star". You need a strip for every loop that is separate and needs to be controlled separately. Because I have three loops, I have three strips. Two strips are controlled by a AF 12B Dual transformer, and the third is controlled by a Lionel CW-80. I run my newer Flyonel on the CW-80 loop as it seems to perform better with it and it has the bell and whistle buttons. I purchased all my terminal strips and grounding bars from Lowes and Home Depot. They aren't over-expensive, running about $5- $9.00 each. I have since run across an on-line source that appears cheaper, but of course you'll need to figure in shipping ( and waiting) costs. They are worth looking at, though: www.allelectronics.com Hope this helps. Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> My layout is coming along just fine. road bed is all down, except for my rail yard. I have all power feeds hooked in a line of 18 G stranded wire, both base and variable. My question now is about wiring some other things. How do I connect all the control boxes for uncouplers and accessories to the transformer, being base and fix. What I mean is how do I avoid having a million wires to the transformer. I there some kind of power strip I need to get where all the base and fixed wired are screwed into making just one connection to the transformer. Switches are being hooked up like HO switches. thanks for any advice. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48702	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Mobley Library Vacation

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48703	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Wiring

Mike, Radio Shack and other electronics suppliers have terminal strips which are rows of screw terminals on a plastic strip. Each terminal (or pair) is normally separated from the next ones, but you can get jumpers that will let you connect one terminal to the next to the next, etc. Thus you can connect all 10 or 20 terminals on a strip together. Then bring all the leads from the separate devices to the terminal strip and one lead from the terminal strip to your transformer. Roger Delthony rpd5@... EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48704	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring

I too prefer a star instead of bus wiring topology - - radiate pairs from a central distribution point out to each point of track connection, rather than off a loop of wire running beneath. Fewer upstream/downstream issues when something goes bad, easier to trouble-shoot should something be/go wrong, and simpler to adjust and rewire should you reconfigure your tracks later. I read many best practice wiring tips that O-gaugers share among themselves in blogs, etc., applied them to my layout, and have been very happy with the results. O-people run more electically demanding equipment, and typically more expensive engines than we do, so if anyone wants to protect their gear its them. However, instead of 12AWG and 14AWG wire, I ran 16AWG and 18AWG because S stuff typically draws fewer amps than O. RShack (up to 16 pole) busses with connecting bars and MTH (24+ pole, already interconnected) busses along with RShack Euro-style busses are indespensible. Also consider a Scott's Odds-'n-Ends TVS4 surge protector, and 7A fast blow fuses. Better to have one or both of them lay themselves down when a train wrecks or some other form of severe electronics trauma causing event occurs on your layout than the unprotected mother board of your favorite modern AM, SHS, or Flyonel engine taking the hit. Those will also protect electronics upstream such as TPC300/400's as well. A blown TPC can not be repaired. Lionel will require you to buy a new one. Fast blow respond much faster than the fuses in your transformers, TPC's etc, and the surge suppressor will detect potentially damaging effect that fuses is insensitive too. A rotary switch connected to a 25VAC meter is also something worth considering. That way you can see what voltage any one loop or block within a loop is receiving. It also helps for smoother loop to loop transitions when you can set both loops to about the same power in advance. Lastly, if you're doing blocks, try wiring each block to a SPDT on-off-on toggle switch. That way you can put a loop or block into any one of three modes - - power on, power off, or 709 Lock-out Elimnator (or RShack 10 ohm ceramic resistor, same thing) mode. The 709 mode allows you to run classic electro-mechanical reverse unit controlled AF engines into the block and freeze them without tripping the reverse unit into neutral, then let them take off again. The on/off modes are handy for isolating sections cold if/when you want to. Take some time now with the design of your wiring in terms of the level of flexibility, robustness, electronics protection, and operational functionality you want from your layout and you'll have many fun-filled and relatively uninterrupted days/nights of running it later. I use (2) 30B's, 19B, 12B, 15B, 16B, 4B and (2) 1.5B's, a DTK-4Z (TVS4 predecessor), (3) TPC400's, (7) 7A fast-blow fuses, a rotary selector switch, 25VAC analog panel meter, (2) Locomatic boxes (for engines that require them, pity that they do), Legacy 990, Legacy 993 (for a second Cab2), NCE PowerCab and 3A SmartBooster, a bunch of toggles, bus bars and wire to run my 3-loop S-gauge, 1-loop Sn42 8'x16' S-Trax and HO Kato Unitrack based layout, and so far so good. Have fun with yours. Don't worry about getting it all right the first time either. The great thing about layouts is they very seldom get completely done, but instead morph and grow along with you and the hobby.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48705	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring

Also make all of your transformers phase friendly with each other and establish one common base - - the outer rail of your tracks, operating cars, etc.. Less to worry about in the long wrong if they're all phased and a common base makes "return" line management and routing simpler as well. The only exceptions to this on my layout are the DCC Sn42 loop and third loop of std-S when it too is in DCC mode - - I can toggle Loop 3 between Legacy and DCC. For them friendly phasing with and connection to a base in common with the other transformers is irrelevant. Run power to your tracks every 3' to 4' for consistent power and speed control around each loop. Sorry about the typos in my previous post - - "Fast blow fuses respond much faster than the resetting-type fuses in your transformers, TPC's etc, and the surge suppressor will detect and react to potentially damaging effects that fuses alone are insensitive too." While it's true you have to replace fast-blow fuses. They're readily available at R-Shack and many automotive stores, don't cost much, and as long as you keep your fuse bank accessible they are easy to remove and replace. The O-gaugers use 15A fb fuses, but I found that 15A fuses require too severe a condition to occur before blowing for S-gauge trains. Through experience I've found that 7A fb fuses for standard S-gauge and 3A fb fuses for Sn42 provide solid protection without blowing for every little spark, wheel off the track, or minor sort of thing that happens. Locate the surge suppressor as far upstream as you can (i.e. just downstream from your TPC's), and the fast blow fuses as far downstream or close to the tracks as you can (just upstream from the central distribution point if you go with a star).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48706	From: G C	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Mike's Yard

Mike, As you have been using your wonderful new roadbed for the main line, what are you doing for the yard. I'm in the middle of planning my layout and want to have the yards a bit more realistic. Can you figure on a small sheet of Homasote for the yard or something else? Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48707	From: G C	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring

Mike in a somewhat recent edition of CTT, there was a short article on using a rotary switch to energize accessories. Sorry, I don't recall what edition that was. If I can find it I will let you know. Perhaps someone else remembers.       Basically, you connect the transformer's power to the center post of the switch. Then if you think of the switch as a sort of clock face, each terminal or connection goes to an individual accessory. You still of course need a push button or other type on off device for each accessory. The wiring would therefore go from the rotary to those buttons.       As you go along running trains, you pick the accessory you want to use and rotate the switch accordingly. That way you don't need those "million wires" from the transformer. Just the one. There is still  no way around connecting each individual accessory to a power wire source of some sort, but at least you don't have them all running to the transformer itself.   Hope I have made this clear enough without a picture.   Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48708	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Wiring part 2

I want to thank all the people who sent emails to the list and to me in private about wiring. I appreciate your help and time with this. I do have the track wired just fine, with lead line to all the power connection I have. My question is really on the accessories. For example. I have 8 uncoupler buttons. How do I wire all the buttons so that only one wire goes to the transformer. I assume that those wire strips you all mention will be used, but how do I get it so if I want uncoupler number four to work only. I take it this will be the same theory with the accessories, like the sawmill, barrel loader, cattle loader (metal strip will not be used) baggage loader (metal strip will not be used), Repro Gabe, coal loader. I appreciate the help, as this is not my expertise. Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48709	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mike's Yard

Hi Gene, I will be using the roadbed for the small yard too, as to me, that will be fine. All the road bed is down, except for the yard, which is just 3 switches and about 6 pieces of 10 inch track. Train runs very nicely over the roadbed. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Mike's Yard Mike, As you have been using your wonderful new roadbed for the main line, what are you doing for the yard. I'm in the middle of planning my layout and want to have the yards a bit more realistic. Can you figure on a small sheet of Homasote for the yard or something else? Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48710	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring part 2

I would think you could use the DCC switch control decoders to operate uncouplers. Don Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > I want to thank all the people who sent emails to the list and to me > in private about wiring. > > I appreciate your help and time with this. > > I do have the track wired just fine, with lead line to all the power > connection I have. > > My question is really on the accessories. > > For example. I have 8 uncoupler buttons. > > How do I wire all the buttons so that only one wire goes to the > transformer. I assume that those wire strips you all mention will be > used, but how do I get it so if I want uncoupler number four to work only. > > I take it this will be the same theory with the accessories, like the > sawmill, barrel loader, cattle loader (metal strip will not be used) > baggage loader (metal strip will not be used), Repro Gabe, coal loader. > > I appreciate the help, as this is not my expertise. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48711	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring part 2

Connect a 16AWG wire to the variable or fixed voltage post on a transformer. Put a R-Shack 8-point connecting bar across one row of 8 screws on a R-Shack 2x8 terminal strip or bus. Connect the "hot" wire from the transformer to any one of the 16 positions on the bus. Now run an 18AWG wire from any one of the remaining 15 screws on the bus to a control button, then from the control button to your uncoupler or accessory (connect it to the lead from the uncplr/accessory by using either a white plastic bodied R-Shack 2x12 Euro style bus cut-to-size, or a wire nut). Prepare another 2x8 terminal strip with an 8-point connecting bar in exactly the same way. Connect a 16AWG wire from the Base post of your transformer to this second terminal strip. Run the other wire from your accessory, uncoupler, etc. back to this bus. Now do the same for each of your other uncouplers/accessories and their control buttons. A one-to-many scheme like that keeps the number of leads off each transformer to a minimum. By dedicating a robust transformer like a 12B or 19B to turnouts/switches, accessories, etc. and no tracks/loops, you can take advantage of its fixed and variable output. For example, some accessories run better (more quietly, smoothly, realistically) with less than max voltage (e.g. 12-13VAC instead of 15-18VAC), while full power to turnouts might be what you like so they work "snappy". Set the throttle to the voltage you want some things run with and create a bus for that. Run another wire off the fixed 15V/18V post to a bus for things you want full power to. The base is the same for either so run a wire to a bus (an even bigger bus than the others since it will be shared) for Base. If you make all of your transformers phase-friendly, you can connect all the base posts of them together and create one major Base bus or tie a few together for the "return lines" from everything - - the outside rail of your tracks, uncouplers, accessories, etc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48712	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring part 2

Hi Mike, I left a little unsaid. The terminal strips can be set up as a distribution panel. One wire (maybe the base wire) goes to one terminal. Then, jumper connections run from that terminal to several others on the same side of the terminal block. All of those are now connected to the transformer base wire. Wires from the other sides of the terminal block - directly across from the new base wire screws will go to the accessories in question. With an 8-pair terminal block, it is possible to connect at least 8 accessories to the base wire on your transformer. Do the same thing with the hot wire on a different terminal strip and you can connect at least 8 accessories to the hot wire on your transformer. There are variations, of course. [1] If you use an 8-pair terminal block, you can use four pairs for the base wire and the other four pairs for the hot wire. [2] If you are neat about it, more than one wire can be added to any screw terminal to allow distribution to more than 8 accessories. [3] The makers of the barrier type terminal blocks make metal jumper strips that can fit under the screw heads to connect a bunch of them together without using wires. These 'shorting strips' are neater than wires and make it easy for an 8-pair terminal block to distribute either the base or the hot connection to 15 accessories without any double wires. I hope that helps. If not, I'll try again and I could take a photo or two if you like. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:16 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring part 2 I want to thank all the people who sent emails to the list and to me in private about wiring. I appreciate your help and time with this. I do have the track wired just fine, with lead line to all the power connection I have. My question is really on the accessories. For example. I have 8 uncoupler buttons. How do I wire all the buttons so that only one wire goes to the transformer. I assume that those wire strips you all mention will be used, but how do I get it so if I want uncoupler number four to work only. I take it this will be the same theory with the accessories, like the sawmill, barrel loader, cattle loader (metal strip will not be used) baggage loader (metal strip will not be used), Repro Gabe, coal loader. I appreciate the help, as this is not my expertise. Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48713	From: velapoldi	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring part 2

Hi Mike: Just have the contact (operate) button between the junction point and the wire that goes to that specific accessory, be it an uncoupler, accessory, etc. With the rotary mentioned earlier, you could hook up all the uncouplers to the rotary positions, then put the operate button on the main line from the transformer to the center rotary terminal. Thus you set the rotary switch to the uncoupler you want to use, and then press the uncouple button. Power will go to the uncoupler selected by the rotary switch. If you want to uncouple at another position, just put the rotary switch to the second uncoupler, and press the 'single' uncoupler button, and that one will operate. You can essentially do the same with other single button accessories. The only problem will be two button accessories. Then it would be better (necessary?) to have the buttons between the rotary switch and the accessory. Probably other ways to solve it. Just a few thoughts this morning. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > I want to thank all the people who sent emails to the list and to me > in private about wiring. > > I appreciate your help and time with this. > > I do have the track wired just fine, with lead line to all the power > connection I have. > > My question is really on the accessories. > > For example. I have 8 uncoupler buttons. > > How do I wire all the buttons so that only one wire goes to the > transformer. I assume that those wire strips you all mention will be > used, but how do I get it so if I want uncoupler number four to work only. > > I take it this will be the same theory with the accessories, like the > sawmill, barrel loader, cattle loader (metal strip will not be used) > baggage loader (metal strip will not be used), Repro Gabe, coal loader. > > I appreciate the help, as this is not my expertise. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48714	From: John	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring part 2

Hi Mike you wire the push buttons like this common 0-------|-----|-----| <---- common wires connected | | | from push buttons / / / o o o <---- pushbutton switches | | | S S S < ---- accessory S S S | | | power 0--------|-----|-----| terminal strip Connect one side of your push button here V V V V V V V O O O O O O O | | | | | | | O O O O O O O |---|---|---|---|---|---|--------0 common base another terminal strip Connect the other assessory wire to this terminal strip V V V V V V V O O O O O O O | | | | | | | O O O O O O O |---|---|---|---|---|---|--------0 common power then make a connection from your assessory to the other side of the pushbutton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48715	From: Rhett George	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Wiring

- GreetingS - Thanks to Mike for the good question on avoiding a spaghetti-looking cataclysm of accessory wires at the transformer constant-voltage post. And thanks to Jim E. for his suggestion of using the add-on ground strips intended for circuit breaker panels. The strips have a long dimension depending on the number of connections to be made, a width on the order of 3/8" to 1/2" with holes for the connecting wires to pass thru, and a height of 1/2" to 3/4" with the securing screws passing down from the top into each hole. Lightly spray paint one end of several strips black, fasten them here and there under the train table, and daisy chain them together with #14 or #16 wire (preferably stranded) and connect one to the transformer common terminal. Accessory common and track common may connect to these. {But be careful at reversing loops or wyes.] Locate an unpainted strip near the transformer and connect it to the constant voltage terminal. Each of the holes in the strip may accommodate 3, 4, or 5 wires from such as uncoupler pushbuttons. This keeps the spaghetti away from the transformer. Having said all of this about the accessory line connection at your beloved AF transformer, please note that I prefer to use an industrial transformer rated at 16 to 18 V, 15 A to operate the accessories. It is usually found where the Carolinas Division of the ACSG is running a modular layout. It is equipped with a circuit breaker which was tested several times on our most recent outing. Using it for the accessories takes some load away from the track supply transformers which lets those run cooler which lengthens the life of the insulation, especially that on the transformer windings. Mike, good luck with wiring your layout. Feel free to ask more questions. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48716	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Replacing AF Pilot Wheels

Good Morning All- One of the front pilot wheels on my four-piece cast 302 Atlantic has a chip out of the flange. Basically, it puts a flat spot on that wheel. What is the proper way to replace that wheel? Do I need some sort of wheel puller or can I just pop it off by prying with a screwdriver? I notice that one end of the axle has a flat end and the other is tapered. I assume the wheel must come off the tapered end? Also, is that wheel the same as those on other AF rolling stock, or is it unique to the pilot? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48717	From: jim_marski	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: S Gauge in San Diego area

Hi, Anyone aware of any S Gauge displays or shops in the San Diego are? Thanks, Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48718	From: innotron	Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area

Hi Jim, I have lived here for 30 years and the only store that stocks any "S" Gauge is Frank the Train Man. It is a dark, hole in the wall shop that shares its space with some old antique cars in a museum venue. I haven't been there in about two years so I don't know for sure if they are still there. The last address was on 4233 Park Ave near the intersection of El Cajon Blvd. The phone number is 619-295-1611. I would call first because they have limited hours. Alex Sibbald ----- Original Message ----- From: jim_marski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge in San Diego area Hi, Anyone aware of any S Gauge displays or shops in the San Diego are? Thanks, Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1420 - Release Date: 5/7/08 2:12 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48719	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area

I was there some time in late 2007 and it was still alive and well. As for displays, our club is setting up in the San Diego Model Railroad Museum in Balboa Park the last two weeks of May. And of course, there's my Upstairs Train. Jim: When you come to San Diego, you'd better let me know - I'm looking forward to meeting you!!! Bob Graves innotron <innotron@...> wrote: Hi Jim, I have lived here for 30 years and the only store that stocks any "S" Gauge is Frank the Train Man. It is a dark, hole in the wall shop that shares its space with some old antique cars in a museum venue. I haven't been there in about two years so I don't know for sure if they are still there. The last address was on 4233 Park Ave near the intersection of El Cajon Blvd. The phone number is 619-295-1611. I would call first because they have limited hours. Alex Sibbald ----- Original Message ----- From: jim_marski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge in San Diego area Hi, Anyone aware of any S Gauge displays or shops in the San Diego are? Thanks, Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48720	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area

Years ago there used to an even more "hole in the wall" place in San Diego called (I think it was) S and S - ? (something and something anyway). A guy ran it (don't recall his name), but it always seemed there were two women in there with him that looked like twins, at least sisters. I think the shop was named after them (the same first initial of both their first names). Anyway, it was a unique spot and fun because it was, of all things, S-centric. The guy in there was very Flyer knowledgeable and did repairs. Somewhere along the way it closed. I recall driving over once and the place was emptied, with only train related stickers on the windows and traces of a train shop having once been there inside. Anyone else remember that? Good to hear Frank's is still there. I bought my first Flyer passenger cars there - satin silver 96X's. Odd though the way now it shares space with a "museum". I once read where many of the pieces and sets pictured in Greenberg Volumes 1-3 on Flyer were of those obtained by a collector who became friends with Frank and his family. He eventually got to see, make offers on, and purchase things from the store's basement where apparently many, many unopened prime-time sets of Gilbert Flyer existed. There are other trains stores listed as in San Diego on this web site - - look under California, but I don't know what they're like - - http://www.cwrr.com/nmra/Shopa-AE.html <http://www.cwrr.com/nmra/Shopa-AE.html> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48721	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area

Last time I was at Frank the Train Man, the museum adjoining also had a fairly good sized display of standard gauge trains. It was not exactly an S-promoting place. But, in any case, don't miss the San Diego Model Railroad Museum at Balboa Park - It features several HO and N clubs and a 3-rail layout that is wonderful for kids, with some interaction and a train-mounted camera. I live in Phoenix, but I am a member there because its so much fun to go there, especially with grandkids!! JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48722	From: Michael Greene	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: 7 May 2008 UPDATE: 2008 NASG National Convention

5/7/2008 - NASG 2008 National Convention Update To all interested parties From: NASG 2008 National Convention Committee Here's some updates as of 7 May 2008 for the NASG 2008 National Convention. Please watch our web site (http://www.nasg2008.com) for the very latest updates. 1) CONVENTION HOTEL - We're working closely with the Doubletree hotel and have expanded the Convention room block. So at this time there continues to be rooms available on all nights at the Convention rate. 2) MOXIE CONVENTION CARS - #2008 is sold out - no further orders are being accepted; a very few of #1876 are still available. Don't delay if you intend to order one. 3) Tour UPDATES: LAYOUT TOUR #5 ADDED! Because of the popularity of Layout Tour #4 and its early sold out status, we have worked to add Layout Tour #5. Price is $15 per ticket; This will visit the same layouts as Layout Tour #4 (Sellios, Brown, & Korajczyk), and will run on Saturday from 10am to 3pm. If you have already registered for the Convention and were unable to sign up for Layout Tour #4 as it was sold out, and you would like to sign up for Layout Tour #5, please send us an email ASAP with your Name, address, Convention Registration # (if you already have it from your confirmation letter), and number of Layout Tour #5 tickets you want. And please follow that IMMEDIATELY by mailing payment for those tickets (@$15 each) to the registrar to lock in your reservation. Emails should be sent to wm@.... Note you must be on the tour to for admission to the George Sellios layout. LOWELL NATIONAL HISTORIC PARK Tours 1, 2, and 3: Because of the popularity of these tours, we have arranged with the National Park Service to allow us to add a few more places on each tour. With these additions , here is the current status: - LNHP Tour #1 - FULL - LNHP Tour #2 - Still some space available - LNHP Tour #3 - Still some space available We're accommodating requests on a first come first served basis. Full Convention registration includes all week admission to the LNHP, so once these special convention tours are full, convention registrants who wish to tour LNHP sites may visit on the regular public park schedule. LAYOUT TOUR #4 is FULL/SOLD OUT All other tours still have space available although a few like the Mt. Washington Cog Railway are close to being full. So we recommend signing up soon if you have not already. Because of the number of registrations we're receiving for the layout tours we may need to make some minor adjustments in layout tour departure or return times. If required, these will involve leaving the hotel 15-30 minutes earlier or returning 15-30 minutes later. Of course we'll be also considering other tour return times if we need to make any adjustments to ensure attendees have a slot for meals, etc. Any adjusted times will be published in a convention update closer to the convention to provide time for your convention planning. 4) AUCTIONS! AUCTIONS! Don't forget that the convention will include both a Silent Auction and a Live Auction. Bring your items to sell and cash/checkbook (no credit cards accepted) to buy... 5) MODEL CONTEST - Don't forget to bring your models for the Model Contest -- full contest details are on the web site; Photo contest entry form is now available on the web site; Model contest entry form will be on the web site shortly. A reminder -- In addition to the standard categories of a NASG Model Contest, the 2008 Convention Model Contest will also feature these three additional categories: Gilbert Imagineering American Flyer Restoration American Flyer Modified Operating Accessories 7) MONTHLY DRAWING WINNERS - Check the web site! 8) DEALER HALL - Space is filling rapidly, but there is limited space still available. If you want space and have not sent in your reservation form yet, we encourage you to do so right away! 9) SINGLE DAY REGISTRATIONS - Available for THURSDAY (NASG members only) or SATURDAY (anyone) - provides Clinics and vendor hall access only. See the web site for more details -- SINGLE DAY Registration Form now available on the web site. 10) LAYOUT TOURS -- see feature article in May/June S GAUGIAN, layout tour highlights article in April NASG DISPATCH, and web site for more information on layout tours. 11) CLINICS -- 26 Clinics (rail and non-rail) are currently scheduled plus 4 Hallway Demonstrations. More information is available in the April NASG Dispatch and on the web site. A detailed schedule (subject to change) has been posted to the web site. For anyone interested in the clinic titled "Preserving your Train photos with Scrapbooking", a reminder to bring along several photos to use during the clinic, and/or if you have a photo album in process you might want to bring it. Attendees can get advice and ideas at this clinic. A few clinics will have nominal fees associated with them for supplies -- for example kits will be available for sale for those wanting to build the kit in the Kit Building clinic. 12) CONVENTION TIMETABLE ADVERTISING - Ad space is still available in Convention Timetable to be provided to all registrants. 13) All full convention registrants (including family registrants) are invited to join us for the Bristol Club's 60th Anniversary Reception on Wednesday evening. 14) In addition to the regular registration desk hours throughout the convention, the registration desk will also be open Monday evening 7pm-10pm and a half hour before each of the first tours on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday & Friday. So it you're arriving outside of the usual hours, please be assured we'll ensure you're able to pick up your registration packet and tour tickets and make your tours! We look forward to seeing you August 5-10 in Lowell, MA!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48723	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel cares about uS?

Thanks for asking. I'm not selling any at this time, but if I decide to I'll let you know. In the meantime I think Lionel Railsounds buttons are usually available from Port Lines for $13, plus shipping.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48724	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Flyer Fest West update

Hi All, This is a reminder and update for Flyer Fest West next week, May 17th, 2008 at The Crowne Plaza Hotel in Union City, CA, 94587. Registration will be $15.00 and available at the door. At this time the cars are all sold out. There will be one Orange Shell 2 Dome Tank car in the Silent Auction during the day as well as one reverse color scheme tank car (Black Shell). A second Black Tank Car will be raffled during the banquet Dinner. These two reverse color cars should command a nice price as they are the only two available. Over 70 tables have already been sold at this time. The main ballroom is sold out and we have added two rooms across the hall from the ballroom for additional tables. There will be at least one clinic, maybe 2. The banquet is still open for additional reservations with 34 presently signed up. There will be train races in the afternoon. On Sundays Niles Canyon Railroad Ride and Tour, we have 18 people signed up at this time with this event still open for additional sales at $8.00 per person. The storage yard tour at Brightside will be hosted by Pete Goodier, a member of GGAFC and Niles Canyon Railway. The train departs the Sunol station at 1:30pm. Niles was the Northern California movie scene for many silent movies including Charlie Chaplin and many westerns were also filmed here. For any questions, please contact the registrar: Mike Stanton 925-229-4123 FFW2008@... Po Box 1643

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48725	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing AF Pilot Wheels

Jim; The wheels are different from rolling stock wheels. You can pull it off with pliers, grip behind the flange so you don't squish it. Hold the axle with another pliers. Don't pry against the pilot frame, you can break or deform it. Press the replacement on, supporting the opposite end of the axle against a hard surface. If it's got a tapered end, take the wheel off there, then slip the axle / wheel out, replace what you need to, stick it back together. The all metal versions I've got all have pilot axles with flanges that you have to pull the wheel over. Or -- you can replace the pilot truck frame / rivet Or -- you can replace the entire pilot assembly. Some pilot styles allow you to pop the axle / wheels free of the pilot, but I think those are all later, molded plastic versions. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All- > > One of the front pilot wheels on my four-piece cast 302 Atlantic has a > chip out of the flange. Basically, it puts a flat spot on that wheel. > What is the proper way to replace that wheel? Do I need some sort of > wheel puller or can I just pop it off by prying with a screwdriver? I > notice that one end of the axle has a flat end and the other is > tapered. I assume the wheel must come off the tapered end? > > Also, is that wheel the same as those on other AF rolling stock, or is > it unique to the pilot? > > Jim E. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48726	From: G C	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring part 2

Rance, Thanks for picking up on the rotary switch idea. I think it is a really good way to go, especially if you run trains as a "tower operator". I suppose it wouldn't work as well if you were using a walk around system to run trains.   Gene Cimino ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48727	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area

I lived in San Diego back in the early 80's and there was a pretty large train shop called "Gladys Trains". Can't remember what street it was on but it was in a downtown type area West of San Diego, but she had a lot of nice S gauge with some of the rarer stuff, like the UP and MP sets, on shelves behind the counter. She was quite old at the time and the store was open sporadically due to her being ill, so that business may not still exist. Regarding Frank the Trainman, I met Frank (The Trainman) Titman during that same period. A real gentleman who used to run the store dressed in a railroad cap and a white smock. As I remember, he was one of the early Presidents of TCA or TTOS, can't remember which. He was quite old at the time as well, and I believe he passed away sometime in the 90's. That store stood out, mainly because of the large neon train sign on the side of the rather small store. Alex is right, the store was "a hole in the wall" and quite small. I remember it took up two small rooms and had a very small parking lot adjacent to the store. Apparently, the business lives on. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. TCA 81-16572 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gauge in San Diego area I was there some time in late 2007 and it was still alive and well. As for displays, our club is setting up in the San Diego Model Railroad Museum in Balboa Park the last two weeks of May. And of course, there's my Upstairs Train. Jim: When you come to San Diego, you'd better let me know - I'm looking forward to meeting you!!! Bob Graves innotron <innotron@...> wrote: Hi Jim, I have lived here for 30 years and the only store that stocks any "S" Gauge is Frank the Train Man. It is a dark, hole in the wall shop that shares its space with some old antique cars in a museum venue. I haven't been there in about two years so I don't know for sure if they are still there. The last address was on 4233 Park Ave near the intersection of El Cajon Blvd. The phone number is 619-295-1611. I would call first because they have limited hours. Alex Sibbald ----- Original Message ----- From: jim_marski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge in San Diego area Hi, Anyone aware of any S Gauge displays or shops in the San Diego are? Thanks, Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48728	From: innotron	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: S Gauge in San Diego area

Hi Bruce, The neon sign that you refer to has been incorporated on the side of a building near the corner of El Cajon Blvd and Park Ave about a block north of the current home of Frank the Trainman. On my first visit to find the store, I saw the sign and thought I had found the business however I was unable to find it there. I later found it at the current address. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gauge in San Diego area I lived in San Diego back in the early 80's and there was a pretty large train shop called "Gladys Trains". Can't remember what street it was on but it was in a downtown type area West of San Diego, but she had a lot of nice S gauge with some of the rarer stuff, like the UP ......................... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: 5/7/08 5:23 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48729	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: layout Update

The last piece of roadbed was put down tonight, as I ordered a extra case and sure enough, I had to use a piece of it. Good thinking. Some ballast came today, as well as wire for the switches and accessories. But the best part today, the surveyors where on the layout marking the lines for the outfield field and foul lines. There will be a Frosty Bar at the Ball Park for concession. I think the name of the stadium will be S Helper Field. I am waiting that big check to came from Mr. Thompson. And I drill some holes on the control table for accessory buttons. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48731	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Layout update

Not only was the last piece of roadbed put down yesterday, but I got the first of 23 switches working. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48732	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Now Shipping Style 2, Advert

Hi Gang, Just a quick note to let you know we are now shipping the new style 2 kits for the cruising main series. You asked and we listened. Here is a link to the page http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/811crusingmain.htm We feel these kits are our best work yet. Guess we get better at it over time. Have to use a special resin for the front wall. It is very intense to cast and I am very picky when it comes to quality. Happy railroading, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48733	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/11/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48734	From: Grant	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update

That's strange; I thought I would hear fireworks or something considering were not that far apart. Oh, maybe I was vacuuming at the time! Flyer Victories 1 York Motels 0 Bottom of the 1st! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Not only was the last piece of roadbed put down yesterday, but I got the first of 23 switches working. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48735	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: WHISTLE CONTROLLER

I am pretending I am at YORK.... IE.... Trying to straighten up my Train Room..... I found a Gray Control box with holes in the top, knob that sez "BLOW" and label sez 115 volt ac / dc... 3 wires and lots of capacitors and other electric stuff below..... "AMERICAN FLYER WHISTLE CONTROL"... No numbers on it..... DUH...... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48736	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Update on my Layout

Mike is making progress on his layout and I am making progress on mine. I spent the day taking off all the accessories and buildings and packing them up. I then removed all the track, switches and most of the wiring. Tomorrow I will take the rest of the wiring off and tear down the layout to the ground. Then I'll pack whatever's left and return the basement to a basement again. Nope - not giving up on the layout, just preparing to relocate from Atlanta to Houston. I'm changing companies with a nice promotion and a very serious salary increase. The economy is really heating up in the chemical industry despite what the drive-by media reports! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48737	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: WHISTLE CONTROLLER in the train Room

Hey Bob While you are back there in the train room straightening up, find me some Gilbert HO. A nice Northern Pacific Passenger set! Jerry M rcon7@... wrote: I am pretending I am at YORK.... IE.... Trying to straighten up my Train Room..... I found a Gray Control box with holes in the top, knob that sez "BLOW" and label sez 115 volt ac / dc... 3 wires and lots of capacitors and other electric stuff below..... "AMERICAN FLYER WHISTLE CONTROL"... No numbers on it..... DUH...... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48738	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Layout update

Grant. LOL Fireworks will come once I figure out wiring the uncouplers and accessories, as I have all the email sent on that. 9 switches are now wired. 14 to go. It is so realistic with the American S Track from Classic Trains, with the track, the switches, just watching the trains go down the line. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Layout update That's strange; I thought I would hear fireworks or something considering were not that far apart. Oh, maybe I was vacuuming at the time! Flyer Victories 1 York Motels 0 Bottom of the 1st! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Not only was the last piece of roadbed put down yesterday, but I got the first of 23 switches working. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48739	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my Layout

David, Best of luck in your new position. So, you are giving up the Atlanta Braves for the Houston Colt 45's? I am sure you will have that layout up and running soon. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Update on my Layout Mike is making progress on his layout and I am making progress on mine. I spent the day taking off all the accessories and buildings and packing them up. I then removed all the track, switches and most of the wiring. Tomorrow I will take the rest of the wiring off and tear down the layout to the ground. Then I'll pack whatever's left and return the basement to a basement again. Nope - not giving up on the layout, just preparing to relocate from Atlanta to Houston. I'm changing companies with a nice promotion and a very serious salary increase. The economy is really heating up in the chemical industry despite what the drive-by media reports! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48740	From: John and Maria Harvey	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Model Railway Show Down Under

There will be a model railway show in Albury, New South Wales, Australia next weekend (May 17th and 18th) at St. Patrick's Hall in Smollett Street. My portable American Flyer layout will be on display. The website is: http://www.alburymodelrailwayshow.com/ Kind Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48741	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WHISTLE CONTROLLER in the train Room

JERRY.... Have one ..... But its boxed..... Bob -------------- Original message from Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...>: -------------- Hey Bob While you are back there in the train room straightening up, find me some Gilbert HO. A nice Northern Pacific Passenger set! Jerry M rcon7@... wrote: I am pretending I am at YORK.... IE.... Trying to straighten up my Train Room..... I found a Gray Control box with holes in the top, knob that sez "BLOW" and label sez 115 volt ac / dc... 3 wires and lots of capacitors and other electric stuff below..... "AMERICAN FLYER WHISTLE CONTROL"... No numbers on it..... DUH...... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48742	From: William Porter	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Question 1 - Semaphore 761

Hi Folks, I just received a 761 semaphore that needs a little help. When I look in the new Doyle book, "Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" it states there should be two track trips and cites model number 697. In the K-Line edition of the "Complete Service Manual for American Flyer Trains" it mentions no track trips and instead discusses a two-button control. I can figure out the wiring for what I have and get the sluggish movement to become smoother and quicker. Which of the two references is correct? Does anyone have first-hand experience with these things? Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48743	From: William Porter	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Question 2 - Greenberg

Hi Folks, I have a Greenberg book on Flyer. It is from 1997 and identified as "Vol. 1 Motive Power and Rolling Stock." Was there a Volume 2? If so, what did that cover? Thanks, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48744	From: dvprc	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question 2 - Greenberg

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "William Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I have a Greenberg book on Flyer. It is from 1997 and identified as "Vol. 1 > Motive Power and Rolling Stock." Was there a Volume 2? If so, what did that > cover? > > > > Thanks, > > Bill > > There were three books The second one dealt with more rolling stock , accessories and " collectible paper". The third dealt with sets Done by Joe Deger. > > Bill Porter > > Loxahatchee, Florida > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48745	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question 2 - Greenberg

Thanks dv, I'll keep my eyes out for them. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dvprc Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question 2 - Greenberg --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "William Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I have a Greenberg book on Flyer. It is from 1997 and identified as "Vol. 1 > Motive Power and Rolling Stock." Was there a Volume 2? If so, what did that > cover? > > > > Thanks, > > Bill > There were three books The second one dealt with more rolling stock , accessories and " collectible paper". The third dealt with sets Done by Joe Deger. > > Bill Porter > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48746	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WHISTLE CONTROLLER in the train Room

Bob That is ok, I will buy the box too! LOL Bring it on! Jerry M rcon7@... wrote: JERRY.... Have one ..... But its boxed..... Bob -------------- Original message from Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...>: -------------- Hey Bob While you are back there in the train room straightening up, find me some Gilbert HO. A nice Northern Pacific Passenger set! Jerry M rcon7@... wrote: I am pretending I am at YORK.... IE.... Trying to straighten up my Train Room..... I found a Gray Control box with holes in the top, knob that sez "BLOW" and label sez 115 volt ac / dc... 3 wires and lots of capacitors and other electric stuff below..... "AMERICAN FLYER WHISTLE CONTROL"... No numbers on it..... DUH...... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48747	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/11/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48748	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WHISTLE CONTROLLER in the train Room

Whistle controller for locomotives with catalog number ending in 4. 324AC, 364, etc. Not 314AW however. Has a vacuum tube oscillator inside and a very good sound. Bill Drake --- Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > Hey Bob > While you are back there in the train room > straightening up, find me some > Gilbert HO. A nice Northern Pacific Passenger > set! > > Jerry M > > rcon7@... wrote: > I am pretending I am at YORK.... IE.... > Trying to straighten up my Train Room..... I found a > Gray Control box with holes in the top, knob that > sez "BLOW" and label sez 115 volt ac / dc... 3 wires > and lots of capacitors and other electric stuff > below..... "AMERICAN FLYER WHISTLE CONTROL"... No > numbers on it..... DUH...... Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville, Florida > TCA 04-57715 > NMRA > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48749	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WHISTLE CONTROLLER in the train Room

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > Whistle controller for locomotives with catalog number > ending in 4. 324AC, 364, etc. Not 314AW however. Has a > vacuum tube oscillator inside and a very good sound. > > Bill Drake > --- Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > To Bill or anyone else who can answer: How does the sound of the 1950 "electronic whistle" control sound compared to the 1955 #710 variable slide whistle control? I know the 1950 unit has adjustment screws. I have a 710 and am familiar with its capabilities. Is the 1950 unit a simple on/off control (like the 708 button) or does its knob design allow for a variable tone? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48750	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761

Gilbert did sell the #761 semaphore with two #697 track trips from 1949 thru 1956; that is correct. But people had lots of trouble with the track trips and Gilbert was interested in cutting costs, so they sold the #23761 Semaphore with a two button controller from 1957 thru 1960. I use a mixture of #697 track trips and #670 Track Trips, each wired in parallel with a SPDT center-off switch so I can flip the semaphore as needed when the track trip fails or when the semaphore is too sluggish to flip. (The SPDT switch is cheaper than Gilbert's two-button controller and takes up a LOT less space on my control panel.) Check the Lessons Learned page of my layout website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/semaphores.html When you figure out how to fix the sluggish movement of the semaphore arm, let me know. That's a problem I haven't attacked yet. Might some graphite do the trick? I'm reluctant to use oil. Does anyone else in the group have a suggestion on that one? Bob William Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: Hi Folks, I just received a 761 semaphore that needs a little help. When I look in the new Doyle book, "Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" it states there should be two track trips and cites model number 697. In the K-Line edition of the "Complete Service Manual for American Flyer Trains" it mentions no track trips and instead discusses a two-button control. I can figure out the wiring for what I have and get the sluggish movement to become smoother and quicker. Which of the two references is correct? Does anyone have first-hand experience with these things? Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48751	From: Firewood	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Capitalist trains, communist tracks?

I just posted a couple of pics of some Stadtilm(?) East German track I got recently.Ran some Flyer on it.....works pretty well! Pics in album 'Dave W' http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/e2bc Regards, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48752	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "William Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I just received a 761 semaphore that needs a little help. When I look in the > new Doyle book, "Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" it states there > should be two track trips and cites model number 697. In the K- Line edition > of the "Complete Service Manual for American Flyer Trains" it mentions no > track trips and instead discusses a two-button control. > > > > I can figure out the wiring for what I have and get the sluggish movement to > become smoother and quicker. Which of the two references is correct? > > > > Does anyone have first-hand experience with these things? > > > > Bill Porter > > Loxahatchee, Florida I think both were correct. Someone can probably provide the years that the 761 came with two pressure type track trips and the years when it was sold with a dual button. I'm 99% sure the semaphore unit itself is identical regardless of whether it came with trips or a button. The semaphore has a red wire, which is energized when the train passes into the protected block set up just past the semaphore (if track trips are used) or when the operator presses the red button. This causes the blade to drop and a red indication to be shown. It also causes a set of internal relay contacts within the semaphore to electrically disconnect base post from the control section, an isolated block set up just before the semaphore. This is what stops the second train and prevents a collision. When the first train reaches a safe distance, the second track trip in the next block detects it, and the green wire to the semaphore is energized (or the operator presses the green button). This causes the semaphore blade to clear and a green indication is shown (the internal solenoid in the semaphore moves in the opposite direction, closing the relay contacts, and connecting base post to the control section which causes the second train to start up. The 761 semaphore has five wires: 1) black is base post, 2) yellow is 16V fixed voltage for the lamp, 3) white is connected to the base post rail of the control section, 4) green carries 16V from the button or track trip to raise the blade, 5) red carries 16V from the button or track trip to drop the blade In my opinion, the semaphore's capability to automatically control two trains on the same track means track trips or some more modern detection devices are the only way to install a 761. Its impressive automatic train-control is lost when it is connected to an operator- dependent push button. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48753	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WHISTLE CONTROLLER in the train Room

THANKS GUYS.... No matter how much you have or think you know..... Something always pops up..... Now to find a BOXED 324 set..... Bob -------------- Original message from Bill Drake <ee_train@...>: -------------- Whistle controller for locomotives with catalog number ending in 4. 324AC, 364, etc. Not 314AW however. Has a vacuum tube oscillator inside and a very good sound. Bill Drake --- Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > Hey Bob > While you are back there in the train room > straightening up, find me some > Gilbert HO. A nice Northern Pacific Passenger > set! > > Jerry M > > rcon7@... wrote: > I am pretending I am at YORK.... IE.... > Trying to straighten up my Train Room..... I found a > Gray Control box with holes in the top, knob that > sez "BLOW" and label sez 115 volt ac / dc... 3 wires > and lots of capacitors and other electric stuff > below..... "AMERICAN FLYER WHISTLE CONTROL"... No > numbers on it..... DUH...... Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville, Florida > TCA 04-57715 > NMRA > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48754	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761

Thanks Bob, That is a big help. I like the device and may be forced to obtain more for my layout. I did clean the plunger in the solenoid (at least that is what I call the twin coils) and then applied some graphite. When I started and wrote the initial posting, the flag would not raise very far at all. Now, it climbs slowly and majestically to the raised aspect. It drops down petty fast, but not with a snapping motion. The overall result is pleasing. The only place I have seen operating semaphores is in Disneyland in California. The movement of this 761 is very similar to that motion. In the past, I had considered using Circuitron Tortoise machines to help achieve that slower but steady movement. This semaphore seems to be pretty realistic right out of the gate. I will also take your activation switch idea to heart. It may become a duty for a tower man to assure that the signal has achieved the proper display aspect. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question 1 - Semaphore 761 Gilbert did sell the #761 semaphore with two #697 track trips from 1949 thru 1956; that is correct. But people had lots of trouble with the track trips and Gilbert was interested in cutting costs, so they sold the #23761 Semaphore with a two button controller from 1957 thru 1960. I use a mixture of #697 track trips and #670 Track Trips, each wired in parallel with a SPDT center-off switch so I can flip the semaphore as needed when the track trip fails or when the semaphore is too sluggish to flip. (The SPDT switch is cheaper than Gilbert's two-button controller and takes up a LOT less space on my control panel.) Check the Lessons Learned page of my layout website: http://www.geocitie <http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/semaphores.html> s.com/theupstairstrain/semaphores.html When you figure out how to fix the sluggish movement of the semaphore arm, let me know. That's a problem I haven't attacked yet. Might some graphite do the trick? I'm reluctant to use oil. Does anyone else in the group have a suggestion on that one? Bob William Porter <wpporter@duckburg. <mailto:wpporter%40duckburg.us> us> wrote: Hi Folks, I just received a 761 semaphore that needs a little help. When I look in the new Doyle book, ....................... ._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48755	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761

Thanks Scott, The references I have do not discuss the details of the connections and I was reduced to some trial and error work. I had not thought about the automatic operation. That seems like a good thing. The instructions in the K-Line book warn against activating the coil for too long. The linkage between the solenoid plunger and arm of the flag has stable positions at the two extremes - similar to detents. That means the signal does not need to remain energized to hold position. If I use detector circuits, would I need to provide some sort of timer circuit to limit the time the coil is electrified? Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of srgriggs Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "William Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I just received a 761 semaphore that needs a little help. When I look in the > new Doyle book, "Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" it states there > should be two track trips and cites model number 697. In the K- Line edition > of the "Complete Service Manual for American Flyer Trains" it mentions no > track trips and instead discusses a two-button control. > > > > I can figure out the wiring for what I have and get the sluggish movement to > become smoother and quicker. Which of the two references is correct? > > > > Does anyone have first-hand experience with these things? > > > > Bill Porter > > Loxahatchee, Florida I think both were correct. Someone can probably provide the years that the 761 came with two pressure type track trips and the years when it was sold with a dual button. I'm 99% sure the semaphore unit itself is identical regardless of whether it came with trips or a button. The semaphore has a red wire, which is energized when the train passes into the protected block set up just past the semaphore (if track trips are used) or when the operator presses the red button. This causes the blade to drop and a red indication to be shown. It also causes a set of internal relay contacts within the semaphore to electrically disconnect base post from the control section, an isolated block set up just before the semaphore. This is what stops the second train and prevents a collision. When the first train reaches a safe distance, the second track trip in the next block detects it, and the green wire to the semaphore is energized (or the operator presses the green button). This causes the semaphore blade to clear and a green indication is shown (the internal solenoid in the semaphore moves in the opposite direction, closing the relay contacts, and connecting base post to the control section which causes the second train to start up. The 761 semaphore has five wires: 1) black is base post, 2) yellow is 16V fixed voltage for the lamp, 3) white is connected to the base post rail of the control section, 4) green carries 16V from the button or track trip to raise the blade, 5) red carries 16V from the button or track trip to drop the blade In my opinion, the semaphore's capability to automatically control two trains on the same track means track trips or some more modern detection devices are the only way to install a 761. Its impressive automatic train-control is lost when it is connected to an operator- dependent push button. Scott _ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48756	From: ecphora123	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: SHS Ad on Back of S Gaugian

On the back cover of the Current S Gaugian, there appears an SHS advertisement for Don's covered hoppers. Anyone know what the structure is that is shown in the picture? Is it another Vic Roseman bash or something else? Watching the "stone trains" roll by in Hanover, PA Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48757	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Thanks Scott, > > > > The references I have do not discuss the details of the connections and I > was reduced to some trial and error work. I had not thought about the > automatic operation. That seems like a good thing. The instructions in the > K-Line book warn against activating the coil for too long. The linkage > between the solenoid plunger and arm of the flag has stable positions at the > two extremes - similar to detents. That means the signal does not need to > remain energized to hold position. If I use detector circuits, would I need > to provide some sort of timer circuit to limit the time the coil is > electrified? > > > > Bill > > > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- Bill, You are correct about the need to protect the semaphore coil from overheating. I am using a pair of Dallee TRAK-DTT's ( http://www.dallee.com/Basic_Detector_Timer.htm ) for detection in my 761 installation and they work very well. The TRAK-DTT uses a small current transformer to detect current flow in a jumper wire to the detection block of track. The TRAK-DTT device can be configured to energize its relay contacts for an adjustable time period following detection of current flow. The default time setting results in a very short application of power to the semaphore coil, thereby minimizing heat buildup and the risk of burnout. It doesn't matter how long the train sits in the block--the TRAK-DTT will not re- energize its relay until the current flow to the track block has been interrupted for a few seconds. Overall, this device has several advantages over the Gilbert 697: 1) It does not require periodic adjustment to operate reliably 2) It minimizes potential for overheating the semaphore coil and 3) It can be installed under the layout and can be used with any style of track. The only downside is cost: the TRAK-DTT costs $34.95 and two are required for automatic semaphore operation plus $14.95 for a regulated 12V DC power supply (12VPS from Dallee). Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48758	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my Layout

It must be the season. I am spending my time wrapping and boxing items prior to dismantling the layout due to a new opportunity. Moving from Central Virginia to St. Louis. Information from anyone in St. Louis willing to give us pointers about where to locate or not locate would be appreciated. Not to mention where the S train stores might be. Thanks, Bill Drake ee_train@... - for location discussions. --- Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > Mike is making progress on his layout and I am > making progress on > mine. I spent the day taking off all the > accessories and buildings and > packing them up. I then removed all the track, > switches and most of > the wiring. Tomorrow I will take the rest of the > wiring off and tear > down the layout to the ground. Then I'll pack > whatever's left and > return the basement to a basement again. > > Nope - not giving up on the layout, just preparing > to relocate from > Atlanta to Houston. I'm changing companies with a > nice promotion and a > very serious salary increase. The economy is really > heating up in the > chemical industry despite what the drive-by media > reports! > > BG1 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48759	From: John Redford	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761

The majority came with 697 trips and "american flyer" printed on the light green base. Later versions were stamped "american flyer lines" on a light green or dark green base. I believe the latest ones are dark green and most (if not all) I have seen of these were produced with the button. Number on those is 23761. Actually, there was a period of time where the 761 came with 2 670 track trips. I am not sure if production was concurrent with the 697's, but I know they exist. Greenberg says the 670 track trip was made in '55 and '56. I do not think that all semaphores in that period were produced that way, but I have an original boxed version to attest to the fact that some were. Incidently, the retail price was slightly higher on the semaphore with the 670 trips. John Redford [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48760	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my Layout

Look up an old friend of mine there.... Larry Strassberger.... He will give you the low down on "S" Bob -------------- Original message from Bill Drake <ee_train@...>: -------------- It must be the season. I am spending my time wrapping and boxing items prior to dismantling the layout due to a new opportunity. Moving from Central Virginia to St. Louis. Information from anyone in St. Louis willing to give us pointers about where to locate or not locate would be appreciated. Not to mention where the S train stores might be. Thanks, Bill Drake ee_train@... - for location discussions. --- Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > Mike is making progress on his layout and I am > making progress on > mine. I spent the day taking off all the > accessories and buildings and > packing them up. I then removed all the track, > switches and most of > the wiring. Tomorrow I will take the rest of the > wiring off and tear > down the layout to the ground. Then I'll pack > whatever's left and > return the basement to a basement again. > > Nope - not giving up on the layout, just preparing > to relocate from > Atlanta to Houston. I'm changing companies with a > nice promotion and a > very serious salary increase. The economy is really > heating up in the > chemical industry despite what the drive-by media > reports! > > BG1 > > > > __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48761	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761

The You Tube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z20K-WYfvcU shows the use of one semaphore to automatically control 3 trains on a loop with 2 sidings. A total of 4 Gilbert pressure trips were used in this layout. There is a nice close up shot of the semaphore in smooth action. This link was posted here in S-trains about a year ago but this may be of interest again in light of the recent thread. Mark Anderman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48762	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my Layout

Bill Drake, Good luck with the move to St. Louis and with the new job. You keep moving further and further away! Best, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48763	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Layout Update

I have wired the 13th switch for operation, as the switches are by Classic Trains, www.classictrains.com and all are operating perfectly. I have 10 more to go. Then I get to tackle the accessories next. Or maybe I might do some work on the ballast. I am very impressed with the Classic Trains track and switches, as all engines are going through them fine, including cars. Very realistic, especially with the S Helper cars. Town might get some activity soon. Season tickets will go on sale soon for games to be played next year at S Helper Field. I don't think the ball park will be done in time for any games this year, in my little town. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48764	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761

Yes, two track trips are required, but you can wire each to do double duty: rather than having it trip a semaphore directly, have it trip a cheaper Radio Shack DPDT relay which passes power to two semaphores, turning one red and the preceding one green. See my website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/semaphores.html Bob srgriggs <sgriggs@...> wrote: --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Thanks Scott, > > > > The references I have do not discuss the details of the connections and I > was reduced to some trial and error work. I had not thought about the > automatic operation. That seems like a good thing. The instructions in the > K-Line book warn against activating the coil for too long. The linkage > between the solenoid plunger and arm of the flag has stable positions at the > two extremes - similar to detents. That means the signal does not need to > remain energized to hold position. If I use detector circuits, would I need > to provide some sort of timer circuit to limit the time the coil is > electrified? > > > > Bill > > > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- Bill, You are correct about the need to protect the semaphore coil from overheating. I am using a pair of Dallee TRAK-DTT's ( http://www.dallee.com/Basic_Detector_Timer.htm ) for detection in my 761 installation and they work very well. The TRAK-DTT uses a small current transformer to detect current flow in a jumper wire to the detection block of track. The TRAK-DTT device can be configured to energize its relay contacts for an adjustable time period following detection of current flow. The default time setting results in a very short application of power to the semaphore coil, thereby minimizing heat buildup and the risk of burnout. It doesn't matter how long the train sits in the block--the TRAK-DTT will not re- energize its relay until the current flow to the track block has been interrupted for a few seconds. Overall, this device has several advantages over the Gilbert 697: 1) It does not require periodic adjustment to operate reliably 2) It minimizes potential for overheating the semaphore coil and 3) It can be installed under the layout and can be used with any style of track. The only downside is cost: the TRAK-DTT costs $34.95 and two are required for automatic semaphore operation plus $14.95 for a regulated 12V DC power supply (12VPS from Dallee). Scott --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48765	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Question 1 - Semaphore 761

I thank you, too! I'll try cleaning and graphiting my sluggish semaphores. Bob --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48766	From: lvtrainmeet	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Good Train meet This weekend Allentown Pa off I-78

Just want to let everyone know the is a Good Train meet this weekend in Allentown Pa off I-78 Merchants Sqaure Mall The Great Lehigh Valley Train meet 1901 S 12th st Allentown Pa 18103 May 17th and 18th Info www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com Hope to see you there Kevin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48767	From: David	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Is Triple "S" Supplies out of business??

Would anyone know if Triple "S" Supplies(Frazer, PA.) is out of business. I tried to fax my order in and I got the recording that said the line has been disconnected. There fax number is 610-725-0332. I would appreciate any info. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48768	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: A new members request

I am 71 and live in southeast Va. I have a variety of S equipment. I have a problem with Gargrave turnouts causing dead spots. Any advice?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48769	From: James Hannawald	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Is Triple "S" Supplies out of business??

David, Tom is still selling on EBay under ssstrains. I usually get a good response from him via email at seccia@.... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: David To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Is Triple "S" Supplies out of business?? Would anyone know if Triple "S" Supplies(Frazer, PA.) is out of business. I tried to fax my order in and I got the recording that said the line has been disconnected. There fax number is 610-725-0332. I would appreciate any info. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48770	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Pacifc Rail Shops (regarding Flyer trucks)

How much are flyer trucks? Wpuld you have some of the axels with the wheel on them? _____________________________________________________________ Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nHfeApxpsusw8poZ648tJDCTIefVGVKDq89Klcg4SmoFMGv/?count=1234567890

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48771	From: Roy Meissner	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Is Triple "S" Supplies out of business??

The address I have for Triple "S" Supplies is Thomas Seccia, 1260 Ridge Pl., Dillsburg, PA 17019-8905. Hope this helps. Roy J Meissner ----- Original Message ----- From: James Hannawald To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Is Triple "S" Supplies out of business?? David, Tom is still selling on EBay under ssstrains. I usually get a good response from him via email at seccia@.... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: David To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Is Triple "S" Supplies out of business?? Would anyone know if Triple "S" Supplies(Frazer, PA.) is out of business. I tried to fax my order in and I got the recording that said the line has been disconnected. There fax number is 610-725-0332. I would appreciate any info. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48772	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Capitalist trains, communist tracks?

looks like it is similiar to pikemaster Flyer track. _____________________________________________________________ Disease Information Online - Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oHoSGfP69oIMJNzO4G7fx1fmzPGsbIRiRPgaxFV20LMJZBx/?count=1234567890

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48773	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Is Triple "S" Supplies out of business??

His internet site is still up and working at http://www.ssstrains.com James Hannawald wrote: > David, > > Tom is still selling on EBay under ssstrains. I usually get a good response from him via email at seccia@.... > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:38 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Is Triple "S" Supplies out of business?? > > > Would anyone know if Triple "S" Supplies(Frazer, PA.) is out of > business. I tried to fax my order in and I got the recording that said > the line has been disconnected. There fax number is 610-725-0332. > I would appreciate any info. > > David > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48774	From: Firewood	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Capitalist trains, communist tracks?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > looks like it is similiar to pikemaster Flyer track. It does look similar. The rail is formed tinplate with tabs holding it to the ties. The ties are pressed or die-cut heavy cardboard.The grip betwen sections is surprisingly strong. Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48775	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Lowell Rooms Going Fast?? (was 7 May 2008 UPDATE: 2008 NASG National

Per Michael Green's below email, I just tried reserving rooms at the Doubletree in Lowell MA for checking in on Tuesday Aug 5 through Sat Aug 9 (i.e. check out on Sunday August 10). But it appears Tuesday night is already unavailable at the convention rate. They had Wed Aug 6 through Sat Aug 9 available at the $98 convention rate, but there were no rooms available on Tuesday Aug 5 at the convention rate. Therefore, I had to reserve Tuesday at the regular rate of (OUCH) $169. ~~~~~~~~ MY NEXT BRILLIANT MOVE: I'm now going to ponder the possibility of dropping the $169 Tuesday reservation I made, and re-reserving it over the internet at what appears to be a cheaper, but non-refundable "internet rate" of about $135 (but I'll probably have to change rooms since it'll be 2 separate reservations) -- or trying to make the Tuesday reservation at the Motel 6 in Tewksbury, which appears to be not too far away. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- > On May 8, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Michael Greene wrote: > > <SNIP> > > 1) CONVENTION HOTEL - We're working closely with the Doubletree hotel > and have expanded the Convention room block. So at this time there > continues to be rooms available on all nights at the Convention rate. > : ==========end of email ======== . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48776	From: iradiatevb	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: source for PRS 40 foot boxcars?

Hi all. I am looking to purchase some PRS 40 foot boxcars for a project. I need the 40 footers, and they can be unassembled, any roadname will do. I dont even need the roofs or roofwalks. Undecorated ones would be great, but I would accept painted. Anyone know of a source? Vince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48777	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Water Has Arrived

I have 20 of 23 switches working just fine. The other 3 are in the freight yard, as I am waiting to see if DCC will work with the action cars, before finishing the wiring of those switches. If DCC will not work with the Action cars with added electrical items to the cars, I will have the outside rail at the end of the slidings and have the rail cut, to cease DCC power, while adding a Base voltage to the other rail. Anyway, water has arrived in my little town, as the three Checker Board water towers have been hooked up for electricity and the water tubes are bubbling just fine. Road bed is very good and again, I am very impressed with the Classic Trains track. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48778	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Steam loco side rods

Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer a question.....What are the steam locomotive main rods, side rods, made of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild Steel, Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back together? Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48779	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Lowell Rooms Going Fast?? (was 7 May 2008 UPDATE: 2008 NASG National

<<< But it appears Tuesday night is already unavailable at the convention rate.>>> We'll follow up on this, but this is NOT true! NO nights are sold-out at the hotel, even though we're already approaching 600 room-nights already booked (it could be a record for NASG!). When the room block gets low for any given night, we've increased the size of the block, and we've had no problems doing so. Give us til later today to inquire about this, and then try again. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48780	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted

I need an 18B transformer case. If any one out there has one they would like to sell, please E-mail me off line. Jerry Dobbs HR 77-11644 grdobbs@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48781	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Lowell Rooms Going Fast?? (was 7 May 2008 UPDATE: 2008 NASG Nati

To: interested parties Just FYI for others -- The 2008 Convention Committee has already been in touch today with the Convention hotel to see why this happened (we don't believe Tuesday night is sold out), and I've advised Jim to sit tight with his existing reservation and call the hotel at the end of today to try to revise it to get the convention rate for Tuesday night. Our understanding from the hotel is that there continues to be rooms available all nights at the convention rate. Regards Michael Greene At 5/14/2008 07:57 AM, Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings wrote: >Per Michael Green's below email, I just tried reserving rooms at the >Doubletree in Lowell MA for checking in on Tuesday Aug 5 through Sat >Aug 9 (i.e. check out on Sunday August 10). > >But it appears Tuesday night is already unavailable at the convention >rate. > >They had Wed Aug 6 through Sat Aug 9 available at the $98 convention >rate, but there were no rooms available on Tuesday Aug 5 at the >convention rate. >Therefore, I had to reserve Tuesday at the regular rate of (OUCH) >$169. > >~~~~~~~~ > >MY NEXT BRILLIANT MOVE: > >I'm now going to ponder the possibility of dropping the $169 Tuesday >reservation I made, and re-reserving it over the internet at what >appears to be a cheaper, but non-refundable "internet rate" of about >$135 (but I'll probably have to change rooms since it'll be 2 >separate reservations) -- or trying to make the Tuesday reservation >at the Motel 6 in Tewksbury, which appears to be not too far away. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--- >Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 >Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--- > > > On May 8, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Michael Greene wrote: > > > > <SNIP> > > > > 1) CONVENTION HOTEL - We're working closely with the Doubletree hotel > > and have expanded the Convention room block. So at this time there > > continues to be rooms available on all nights at the Convention rate. > > > > > >: >==========end of email ======== > >. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48782	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

Hi Stump, I refurbished a Flyer steamer a couple of years ago. When I polished the rods, the metal acted a lot like aluminum. I can't be sure without some chemical tests, but, it sure seemed that way on the Atlantic. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:01 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Steam loco side rods Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer a question.....What are the steam locomotive main rods, side rods, made of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild Steel, Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back together? Stumpy in Appalachia ,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48783	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer a > question.....What are the steam locomotive main rods, side rods, made > of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild Steel, > Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? > Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back together? > Stumpy in Appalachia > Stumpy, I'm pretty sure the steamers built through the early 1950's used plated stamped steel siderods. I'm not sure what the plating material is (nickel?) Check yours with a magnet--I'll bet they're magnetic. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48784	From: Bob or Deb Guckian	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

Stumpy, I have filled the elongated holes in with silver solder but have not soldered rods back together. I have read where it has been done. Good luck ! Bob Guckian ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Steam loco side rods Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer a question.....What are the steam locomotive main rods, side rods, made of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild Steel, Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back together? Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48785	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Lowell Rooms Going Fast?? (was 7 May 2008 UPDATE: 2008 NASG National

The Lowell convention hotel information which Jim was given was incorrect. NO night is sold-out, and in fact we keep adding rooms to each night's block as necessary, but we have to be reasonable about the number we add at a time. Jim----call again.....you should have no trouble booking for any night, at the convention rate. I suspect the problem was caused because there were no "king" rooms left, but there were "doubles" left, and whoever Jim spoke with didn't bother to explain that. Meanwhile, we have today added more rooms for both Tuesday and Wednesday nights, and both types of rooms as well. If anyone else has a future problem booking with the hotel, PLEASE contact me directly about it and we'll straighten it out.....please do not post something publicly which spreads false impressions about availability and may cause someone else to think there's no point in further considering attendance at the convention. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48786	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

I had good luck repairing a main rod by splicing a reinforcement behind it. Rods appear to be steel plated with something. I used fluxless solder with a steel flux paste and a hefty iron to get enough heat. Worked the rod on the bench and then assembled it. I don't know if you have clearance for the splice all over the drive rods. In my case it helped that the splice could be very thin and behind the rod. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:01 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Steam loco side rods Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer a question.....What are the steam locomotive main rods, side rods, made of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild Steel, Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back together? Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48787	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: FFW this Saturday

Hi All, Last Call This is a reminder and update for Flyer Fest West this week, May 17th, 2008 at The Crowne Plaza Hotel in Union City, CA, 94587. Registration will be $15.00 and available at the door. At this time the cars are all sold out. There will be one Orange Shell 2 Dome Tank car in the Silent Auction during the day as well as one reverse color scheme tank car (Black Shell). A second Black Tank Car will be raffled during the banquet Dinner. These two reverse color cars should command a nice price as they are the only two available. Over 70 tables have already been sold at this time. The main ballroom is sold out and we have added two rooms across the hall from the ballroom for additional tables. There will be two clinics. There will be train races in the afternoon at 4:30. On Sundays Niles Canyon Railroad Ride and Tour, we have 18 people signed up at this time with this event still open for additional sales at $8.00 per person. The storage yard tour at Brightside will be hosted by Pete Goodier, a member of GGAFC and Niles Canyon Railway. The train departs the Sunol station at 1:30pm. Niles was the Northern California movie scene for many silent movies including Charlie Chaplin and many westerns were also filmed here. For any questions, please contact the registrar: Mike Stanton 925-229-4123 FFW2008@... Po Box 1643

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48788	From: Firewood	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer a > question.....What are the steam locomotive main rods, side rods, made > of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild Steel, > Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? > Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back together? > Stumpy in Appalachia > I'd hazard a guess and say they are electro zinc-plated steel,like most shiny hardware store bolts these days. Silver solder might work, but filing out the 'blob' might leave no meat left for strength. I have made side-rods from brass before, but not for Flyer. Hey....polished brass siderods....now there's an idea....thanks Stumpy! Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48789	From: G C	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

Stumpy,   Just had a thought. Amazing I can still do that. How about a thin strip of metal epoxied on the back side of the broken piece. I suppose the splice piece would have to be thin enough for clearance while everything is in motion. If soldering won't work out for you, perhaps that would be an "if all else fails solution"   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48790	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

Stujmpy, Why bother? Replacement side rods and drive rods are readily available... Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 05/14/2008 3:58:17 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, bjg@... writes: Stumpy, I have filled the elongated holes in with silver solder but have not soldered rods back together. I have read where it has been done. Good luck ! Bob Guckian ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Steam loco side rods Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer a question....question....<WBR>.What are the steam locomotive main rods, sid of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild Steel, Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back together? Stumpy in Appalachia **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48791	From: Al	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Model Railway Show Down Under

John, Post some pics of your layout - we'd all love to see what you have and how you've got everything set up. Is it hard to find AF down your way? Are you in need of anything special that we might be able to find for you. Al Rawdon Layton, Utah --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John and Maria Harvey <scottishshop@...> wrote: > > There will be a model railway show in Albury, New South Wales, Australia > next weekend (May 17th and 18th) at St. Patrick's Hall in Smollett > Street. My portable American Flyer layout will be on display. The > website is: > > http://www.alburymodelrailwayshow.com/ > > Kind Regards, > John Harvey >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48792	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: re;Steam loco side rods

Thanks for the help and suggestions on this question. I recently was at the hobby shop when a box of scruffy Franklin stuff came in, complete with a broken engine. If I can fix it up, I get it CHEEP! According to the guys there, I should start bashing Franklin stuff because hardly anyone wants it. (So the collectors won't invite me into the parking lot for a thraashing at the next Spree!) I think I'll give it a try. Stumpy Stone...returning to the 1860s...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48793	From: John and Maria Harvey	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Model Railway Show Down Under

Dear All, Thanks for the kind remarks and best wishes from several members of the list about our train show in Albury, New South Wales, Australia this Saturday and Sunday. I'll take some photos and post them on the Show's website next week. Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48794	From: Gill W. Lott	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: MP 54 model

Would you be interested in this model in O scale? We are contemplating releasing this model in O scale, if you are interested, please eMail us at: Oscale@... if enough interest is generated, we will produce this model. Projected cost would be in the $100 - $120.00 range. O scale, maybe... How about saving some material & doing it in S scale!!!! I would want 3 or 4 initially. Any other S gaugers interested????? See the HO version @ http://islandmodelworks.com/mp54.html Gill W Lott, member TCA, NASG & BAAFC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48795	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Steam Loco Side rods & elongated holes

Hi all, Steam loco side rods did evolve some. USUALLY they are steel, zinc plated. However, early production was nickel plated, and there may even be some zinc side rods out there. Now about those holes, the three main axle and four main axle drive rods are made with elongated holes! Look at a side rod carefully, behind the large hole for the connecting rod stud will be a "bump" --a round place in the drive rod--this replicates a hinge on the prototype. it goes to the rear of the locomotive. The hole on that end of the rod should be round. The hole on the other end should be elongated. The wheels are driven from the rear axle, and the rod is designed to allow a little more slop at the other end to prevent binding caused by slight inaccuracies in the quartering! Yes, some locos did leave the factory with the rods on backwards! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48796	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

2 questions... 1) How is it possible to "break" a side rod? 2) As much as I enjoy fixing things.... why wouldn't you just buy a new one from Portlines or another one of the parts dealers? $1.50 for an Atlantic $6.00 for a Northern. I don't think you can heat up a soldering gun for $1.50..... Mark -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> > Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer a > question.....What are the steam locomotive main rods, side rods, made > of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild Steel, > Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? > Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back together? > Stumpy in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48797	From: Firewood	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating??

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer a > question.....What are the steam locomotive main rods, side rods, made > of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild Steel, > Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? > Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back together? > Stumpy in Appalachia > Shot in the dark here......is it possible that Gilbert used cadmium plating, which was popular around WW2? Not used so much these days because of toxicity concerns, but the metal had a better lubricating effect than zinc, and in mechanisms and threaded items this was an advantage. http://webstore.ansi.org/RecordDetail.aspx?sku=ASTM+B766-86(2003) Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48798	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: MRC Railpower 1370

Is there enough power in this unit to use it for an American Model say steam engine in DC scale.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48799	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Pacific Rail Shops do they have an E-mail address

I tried just Pacific Rail Shops and found nothing. Was wondering what their lines were. Any body know?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48800	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Loco Side rods & elongated holes

I believe some Flyer rods were cadmium plated. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Dewey Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:16 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Steam Loco Side rods & elongated holes Hi all, Steam loco side rods did evolve some. USUALLY they are steel, zinc plated. However, early production was nickel plated, and there may even be some zinc side rods out there. Now about those holes, the three main axle and four main axle drive rods are made with elongated holes! Look at a side rod carefully, behind the large hole for the connecting rod stud will be a "bump" --a round place in the drive rod--this replicates a hinge on the prototype. it goes to the rear of the locomotive. The hole on that end of the rod should be round. The hole on the other end should be elongated. The wheels are driven from the rear axle, and the rod is designed to allow a little more slop at the other end to prevent binding caused by slight inaccuracies in the quartering! Yes, some locos did leave the factory with the rods on backwards! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48801	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

Hit it with a SLEDGE HAMMER????? Of course some minor repairs might be needed to the engine!!!! All joking aside... I have plenty of 3 hole side rods and I wanted a 4 hole one for a project.... I thoouht of doing one by cutting one up..... But my time is worth more than 6.00..... so I just bought 2.... As for Casey Jones.... I have several E+ ( Actually I think new but dusty ) for 20.00 each... 2 for 30 + shipping.... One of the old "S" guagians had some photos of old CJ's modified.... Bob -------------- Original message from Manderman@...: -------------- 2 questions... 1) How is it possible to "break" a side rod? 2) As much as I enjoy fixing things.... why wouldn't you just buy a new one from Portlines or another one of the parts dealers? $1.50 for an Atlantic $6.00 for a Northern. I don't think you can heat up a soldering gun for $1.50..... Mark -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> > Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer a > question.....What are the steam locomotive main rods, side rods, made > of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild Steel, > Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? > Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back together? > Stumpy in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48802	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

> 1) How is it possible to "break" a side rod? Good question. > > 2) As much as I enjoy fixing things.... why wouldn't you just buy a > new one from Portlines or another one of the parts dealers? $1.50 > for an Atlantic $6.00 for a Northern. I don't think you can heat > up a soldering gun for $1.50..... Don't forget shipping. :^) Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48803	From: Alan Evans	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Rail Shops do they have an E-mail address

This line has been purchased by Des Plaines Hobbies, Chicago. - Alan Evans _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikenguy9 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Pacific Rail Shops do they have an E-mail address I tried just Pacific Rail Shops and found nothing. Was wondering what their lines were. Any body know? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48804	From: Scale S Only	Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Rail Shops do they have an E-mail address

Hi! PRS was taken over by Des Plaines Hobbies a couple of years ago. Try www.desplaineshobbies.com to see what they have, or call them on the phone for more particular questions (like parts). Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ P.S. Say thank you, Ron. I tried just Pacific Rail Shops and found nothing. Was wondering what their lines were. Any body know?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48805	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating

Alistair is correct, some rods (maybe most) were Cadmium plated--I stated zinc 'cause I could spell it! :) Zinc and Cadmium are often used interchangably in manufacturing, cad' not so much now because of heavy metal concerns, I'm told. I think the prettiest side rods are the nickel plated ones though! A friend of mine has purchased a home plating system for doing small parts on his antique cars, so we might try doing some train pieces too, I'll let y'all know when we get to it (first it has to arrive, and second, he's "under the gun" to finish his garage before the building permit expires!). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48806	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: FOR SALE : AM Heavyweight Passenger Car

I have ONE American Models / NASG 80' General svc. 10-1-2 Heavyweight Pullman Sleeper that needs a new home. It has "scale" wheels and one Kadee gearbox installed on it, but no other modifications have been made. I do NOT have the hi-rail wheels it came with, but they should be easy to get from Ron at AM. I'm not 100% sure, but I'm fairly sure I have the original couplers, though. This model can be yours for $45 + $8 for shipping. I prefer PayPal payments, but will take a money order. NO checks, please. I CANNOT ACCEPT CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS to my PayPal account!!! Contact me off-line at my e-mail address beolw if interested. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48807	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating??

The rods and other linkage parts are all steel. They are nickle plated. I replate these all the time. It probably isn't worth the effort to try to solder them, they are so easy to get replaced. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48808	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: MRC Railpwoer 1370

When I run my display layouts in S Hi-rail, I use either an MRC 6400 or MRC Sound & Power. This is enough power for old Flyer steam locos refitted with SnS Trains can motor conversions pulling several passenger cars, all lighted, with power to spare. I run one of these packs all day for two days usually. My other S gauge locos are Putt Trains steam engines which draw less juice and I have gotten away with using a Bachmann Spectrum HO pack for them. However, I had problems with one at a show, and now I just take the better packs with me. At a show, you need to have "back up" power and engines so your layout doesn't become a static display! The MRC 1370 is a "base" pack as I recall. I would suggest you "up gun" your power, just to be on the safe side. Stumpy Stone...all DC power since 2006.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48809	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: How do you break side rods?

I've been away from the 'puter for a couple of days, but I do have an answer for this question to some extent. First of all, you have to remember that I troll Flyer junk boxes for most of my projects, including those at the hobby shop. The owners know I'm always looking for stuff, so I get first pick (usually)of the scruffier items that come their way. This is why you'll see strange questions from me about repairs and values and such. I rarely start a project with anything that is complete, let alone running! As to how things get broken, when you work with junk, there are always mysteries about how it became junk! However, a return to the memories of childhood might help... Ever see a 307 Atlantic fly off a ramp made from a trestle set? (Old Lionel wasn't as good because of their weight and Magna-traction I was told.) How about TWO trains on the "near miss" figure eight layout? A Cow on Track purposely run down? Trying to load logs on a passing train? Trying to round "Dead Man's Curve" at speed? Smashing Lincoln Log barricades? Trying to stop a Hudson with the Electro magnetic crane? These trains were TOYS forty years ago! Add to that poor storage and handling over many years, and you stop asking "How in the world did this get broken?" Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...kit basher of junk...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48810	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: source for PRS 40 foot boxcars?

Desplaines hobbies in Des Plaines , Illinois [847]297-2118 they had maybe 50 when I was there last time 3 weeks ago. going back today. will be MAYBE one less, or2 or 3........ Where do you live they are U.S.45 AND SOUTH OF U.S.RTE 14 & 12 north of INT 90. Next to my sisters Jewel Food Store (where she did or still does work. Since my dad stopped taking My Mom [ she was not sure of his ability to drive ] {but he sure could make it to the cigarette store} on his own. she would ask mto do it. " lets go to ____'s store." If she went to the other store Happy Foods she did not likethe wait while I was at Hill's Hobby and COLLECTABLES Store. I think they were $19 & 29 depending on the box they wre in. _____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m5bijWzWwl459XAZKBR8VlVbZlBiOyjg593BZVL49nOAygj/?count=1234567890

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48811	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: MRC Railpwoer 1370

I don't know anything about the 1370, but I can agree with Stumpy, the MRC 6400 works great for both older Flyer, and also the newer stuff. It will run your DC and your AC trains. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48812	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: MRC Railpwoer 1370

I too, know nothing of the 1370, but my MRC 6200 will run the snot out of anything. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 05/17/2008 11:57:56 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, albaker33@... writes: I don't know anything about the 1370, but I can agree with Stumpy, the MRC 6400 works great for both older Flyer, and also the newer stuff. It will run your DC and your AC trains. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48813	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/18/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48814	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

Stumpy, I told eveyone that I have welded the side rods - with Ni rod before. I will do it for you too, but if I do I'm going to take photo's of this to put up as a repair for the group. You would only need to pay for the post. Ask Alister I think I did one for him a long time back - he knows me, and trusts my work. This repair will last long, and there would be no glues or plates to add. The type of welding is TIG - low heat with Argon keeps it from turning black. The great part about it is that it is still made by Gilbert. Clayton S. D. --- On Wed, 5/14/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Steam loco side rods > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008, 5:01 AM > Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer a > question.....What are the steam locomotive main rods, side > rods, made > of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild > Steel, > Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? > Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back > together? > Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48815	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

I certainly have seen fine examples of Clayton's quality work and since he is employed as an expert welder, training staff in the US and overseas, we can safely say he knows what he is doing and talking about! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of clayton deich Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Steam loco side rods Stumpy, I told eveyone that I have welded the side rods - with Ni rod before. I will do it for you too, but if I do I'm going to take photo's of this to put up as a repair for the group. You would only need to pay for the post. Ask Alister I think I did one for him a long time back - he knows me, and trusts my work. This repair will last long, and there would be no glues or plates to add. The type of welding is TIG - low heat with Argon keeps it from turning black. The great part about it is that it is still made by Gilbert. Clayton S. D. --- On Wed, 5/14/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> > Subject: [S-Trains] Steam loco side rods > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008, 5:01 AM > Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer a > question.....What are the steam locomotive main rods, side > rods, made > of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild > Steel, > Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? > Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back > together? > Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48816	From: D Stoll	Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: S-Fest in Milwaukee for 2008

The web page is updated with the registration forms and information for 2008 S-Fest. Page is located at: http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/events/sfest.htm The web page will be updated and further information on S-Fest 2008 is received. Enjoy the hobby! Webmaster Doug Stoll

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48817	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating??

There are so many ways to get nickel to not look like the Flyer finish, could you (would you) perhaps be willing to describe in some detail how you obtain the desired look? Thanks - JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48818	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: MRC Railpwoer 1370

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48819	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/18/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48820	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Trains For Sale posted by a moderator

Hi All, This just came in. They would like to sell the trains. If anyone is interested please contact them. My husband has decided that he is ready to get rid of his train set. His grandfather bought it for him when he was born (1955) or shortly thereafter. The set has the following pieces: 638, 606, 962, 960, 963, 466, 637, 706, coupler, 607, 700 (31 pcs), 702 (33 pcs), 693 (39 pcs), 690, 520, 631, 747, 356, 45 w transformer, 1 1/2 50 watt transformer, original instruction books. It is all in what I would consider very good to excellent condition except the silver bullet (356) which needs work, but it is all there. Not all are in the original boxes and what boxes are there are duct taped together or eaten away by insects. If you are interested, please call Sandy or Paul at 727-725-2137 or respond to this e-mail. Thank you, Sandy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48821	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods

Thanks Alistair! Clayton --- On Sun, 5/18/08, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: > From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Steam loco side rods > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 2:18 AM > I certainly have seen fine examples of Clayton's quality > work and since he > is employed as an expert welder, training staff in the US > and overseas, we > can safely say he knows what he is doing and talking about! > Alistair > > > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of clayton deich > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:35 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Steam loco side rods > > > > Stumpy, I told eveyone that I have welded the side rods - > with Ni rod > before. I will do it for you too, but if I do I'm going > to take photo's of > this to put up as a repair for the group. You would only > need to pay for the > post. Ask Alister I think I did one for him a long time > back - he knows me, > and trusts my work. This repair will last long, and there > would be no glues > or plates to add. > The type of welding is TIG - low heat with Argon keeps it > from turning > black. > The great part about it is that it is still made by > Gilbert. > > Clayton S. D. > > --- On Wed, 5/14/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. > <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> wrote: > > > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. > <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> net> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Steam loco side rods > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > > Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008, 5:01 AM > > Okay, I need all you old Flyer repair folks to answer > a > > question.....What are the steam locomotive main rods, > side > > rods, made > > of? It appears to be stamped metal of some kind. Mild > > Steel, > > Stainless Steel, Tinplate? Can it be soldered? > > Has anyone had any sucess putting broken rods back > > together? > > Stumpy in Appalachia > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48822	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating??

Hi Jim, first I would like to know where the break was in the rod. Most of the repairs are in the punched out square hole. The time that I am welding is about one or two sec. On - off, and that's it. You could have this done by a tool and die welder also. Some tool and die are now using a scope that bring welds in close. The scope is so the welder can see what they are doing. This type of welding can drop the amps down to 15 - 25 Amps, and that would look like a scratch only. Very very small! A soft wire wheel may rub some of the cad over the top of the repair for the right look. I have done some repairs to some Lionel in the battery area too. Cadmium is one thing you don't want to weld on with out an air extraction in place. Cadmium is bad stuff, and will go to your soft tissue. Has anyone tested the plating to see for real what we have here? I have a friend that works for are lab "Bobycoat" I could ask if there's a fast way to check what this is. Clayton --- On Sun, 5/18/08, Jim Armstrong <jarmstro@...> wrote: > From: Jim Armstrong <jarmstro@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating?? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 7:06 AM > There are so many ways to get nickel to not look like the > Flyer finish, > could you (would you) perhaps be willing to describe in > some detail how > you obtain the desired look? > Thanks - JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48823	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Trains For Sale posted by a moderator

Ok Folks, More information. Call them, Sandy or Paul at 727-725-2137. Do not post here! I have no other information 727-725-2137 -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gord & Helen Grant Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:56 PM To: Gord & Helen Grant; S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Help Needed with American FlyerSet's Value Trying again with the photos smaller to reduce file size... Gord ----- Original Message ----- From: Gord & Helen Grant To: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Help Needed with American FlyerSet's Value Hi There I've attached a couple of photos of an American Flyer set that's been in the family as far back as 50 years, which has been packed up since my Dad's health started failing a few years ago. We're looking to sell to someone who can get enjoyment from it and need guidance as to what is a reasonable ball park value for it, hoping your readers have some suggestions. I have not included everything in the photos such as Plasticville model buildings (station, house, gas station, plastic trestle) or the track and some accessories such as switches, electric uncoupler, small paper fibre tunnel and steel bridge. Included are -2 steam engines (metal), the smaller excellent the larger very good (bit of paint damage on the coal tender...it also has the smoke and whistle features) -1 diesel engine (plastic), might need new brushes but otherwise excellent -3 passenger cars, excellent, with light inside -11 freight cars, all excellent -3 cabooses, 2 excellent and 1 good (small chip in the plastic)...the older one has lights inside -3 transformers (in the Freight Trains picture, small, medium and large) -3 electric switches and controls, 1 manual switch -about 60 feet of track with cardboard roadbed -1 crossover It was last set up in about 1999 and at that time everything worked. Would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions as to other sources. Cheers Gord Ontario, Canada I did not have any information other than a phone number. Please do not post to the list, it doesn't help. Just call the people. There was a phone number listed. Ed Eckert Hi, Yes I am interested in some of the items, especially if it has the link couplers. most likely being: 638 606 466 637 606 520 631 747 and the 356 not sure about 700, 702, and 693 is it track? I was thinking 693 was a track trip for the crossing gate. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Eckert" <ejenterp@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > This just came in. They would like to sell the trains. If anyone is > interested please contact them. > > > > My husband has decided that he is ready to get rid of his train set. > His grandfather bought it for him when he was born (1955) or shortly > thereafter. > > The set has the following pieces: > 638, 606, 962, 960, 963, 466, 637, 706, coupler, 607, 700 (31 pcs), > 702 (33 pcs), 693 (39 pcs), 690, 520, 631, 747, 356, 45 w > transformer, 1 1/2 50 watt transformer, original instruction books. > > It is all in what I would consider very good to excellent condition > except the silver bullet (356) which needs work, but it is all > there. Not all are in the original boxes and what boxes are there > are duct taped together or eaten away by insects. > > If you are interested, please call Sandy or Paul at 727-725-2137 > > > Thank you, > Sandy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48824	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Depot Days

Cheyenne Depot Days. Displays & swap meet. May 24, 25. & 26, Cheyenne Wyo. For more information WWW.rmdtoytrains.org Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48825	From: barb	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Train Derailment

Yikes! Derailment of 6 cars in Lafayette, LA caused evacuation of 3500 people and they are still not allowed to go home. ... Barb The first of the two videos is worth a watch. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080519/ap_on_re_us/train_derailment

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48826	From: jarmstr2	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating??

Thank you for the helpful welding information. But I was actually asking about the nickel plating process. I have a small scale (beaker size) setup, but have not used it yet because of the uncertainty about how to get the desired appearance. Regards - JimA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Hi Jim, first I would like to know where the break was in the rod. Most of the repairs are in the punched out square hole. The time that I am welding is about one or two sec. ...[snip] > > Clayton > > > --- On Sun, 5/18/08, Jim Armstrong <jarmstro@...> wrote: > > > From: Jim Armstrong <jarmstro@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Steam loco side rods - Cadmium plating?? > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 7:06 AM > > There are so many ways to get nickel to not look like the > > Flyer finish, > > could you (would you) perhaps be willing to describe in > > some detail how > > you obtain the desired look? > > Thanks - JimA >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48827	From: Trains	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Depot Days

Hi, I am looking at Cheyenne area (rural- outside of city limits) to retire to. I am a train nut and love all things related to RR's. I am into AF and live steam and the big stuff. Wonder if you have any one that can help me find a house with large dry basement or similar space (for a layout of course) and in a price range under $100000. I am on SS and a vet and also need to be no further than 50 miles from a VA hospital facility...understand thjat Cheyenne has a good VA hospital... maybe a tall order and lots to ask> I am currently in S. Oregon...can not afford housing here. email: rr4u@... phone: 541-471-8819. I would be glad to call anyone interested in talking to me so they do not have to pay for a call. Am familiar with area...went to UNC (Greeley), had art ehibits in Laremy etc. Also looking in N. Co area. Thanks a bunch, Peter Loeb ----- Original Message ----- From: gerald r dobbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Depot Days Cheyenne Depot Days. Displays & swap meet. May 24, 25. & 26, Cheyenne Wyo. For more information WWW.rmdtoytrains.org Jerry 77-11644 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48828	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Train Derailment

Watch out! Stumpy will be on the way, looking for salvageable rolling stock!! LOL :) Jim E. -------------- Original message -------------- From: barb <rcespeak@...> Yikes! Derailment of 6 cars in Lafayette, LA caused evacuation of 3500 people and they are still not allowed to go home. ... Barb The first of the two videos is worth a watch. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080519/ap_on_re_us/train_derailment [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48829	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Std Gage Shays

Hi all, Here is some information for those interested in Shays. I got this off the S Scale group. I know nothing more about this. Check out PBL's web site for more information: http://www.p-b-l.com/ Direct connection to Shay page: http://www.p-b-l.com/gallery/shays/3_Truckers.html They are nominal 60 ton, 3 truck Shays. It looks like they added 2 standard gauge versions to what I had seen before as a narrow gauge project.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48830	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Depot Days

Peter- Don't know much about housing up around Cheyenne, but do know that Wyoming is booming in some areas due to coal/natural gas. Have no idea what $100,000 will get you up there. Hope someone can help... I'm a former UNC Bear as well. Graduated with my BA in '72 and my Masters in '80, and put two of my kids through there no long ago. Kind of a culture shock when I went up to visit them - Greeley has certianly changed since the "old" days. Good luck re-locating. Jim Ensign Louisville, Colorado -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Trains" <rr4u@...> Hi, I am looking at Cheyenne area (rural- outside of city limits) to retire to. I am a train nut and love all things related to RR's. I am into AF and live steam and the big stuff. Wonder if you have any one that can help me find a house with large dry basement or similar space (for a layout of course) and in a price range under $100000. I am on SS and a vet and also need to be no further than 50 miles from a VA hospital facility...understand thjat Cheyenne has a good VA hospital... maybe a tall order and lots to ask> I am currently in S. Oregon...can not afford housing here. email: rr4u@... phone: 541-471-8819. I would be glad to call anyone interested in talking to me so they do not have to pay for a call. Am familiar with area...went to UNC (Greeley), had art ehibits in Laremy etc. Also looking in N. Co area. Thanks a bunch, Peter Loeb ----- Original Message ----- From: gerald r dobbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Depot Days Cheyenne Depot Days. Displays & swap meet. May 24, 25. & 26, Cheyenne Wyo. For more information WWW.rmdtoytrains.org Jerry 77-11644 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48831	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: To Peter Loeb - Cheyenne Real Estate

Peter, Check out this website: http://www.cheyenneera.com/Search_All_Listings/page_1093508.html This has all of the MLS listings in the Cheyenne area - good luck house hunting! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@...> wrote: > > Hi, I am looking at Cheyenne area (rural- outside of city limits) to retire to. I am a train nut and love all things related to RR's. I am into AF and live steam and the big stuff. Wonder if you have any one that can help me find a house with large dry basement or similar space (for a layout of course) and in a price range under $100000. I am on SS and a vet and also need to be no further than 50 miles from a VA hospital facility...understand thjat Cheyenne has a good VA hospital... maybe a tall order and lots to ask> I am currently in S. Oregon...can not afford housing here. email: rr4u@... phone: 541-471-8819. I would be glad to call anyone interested in talking to me so they do not have to pay for a call. > > Am familiar with area...went to UNC (Greeley), had art ehibits in Laremy etc. Also looking in N. Co area. > > Thanks a bunch, Peter Loeb > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gerald r dobbs > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:10 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Depot Days > > > Cheyenne Depot Days. > Displays & swap meet. > May 24, 25. & 26, Cheyenne Wyo. > For more information > > WWW.rmdtoytrains.org > > Jerry 77-11644 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48832	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Prototypical Turn Out Question

I am looking to layout a full scale rail yard for a feasibility study. My contacts tell me the minimum CSX track radius is a #8 turn out with a 16'-6" turn point. Can anyone tell me what radius this is? The smallest radius I have found on any of our existing track plans is 378 feet. Thanks for the help! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48833	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Tender Pickup Wheels, number of

In search of improved reliability, have any of us changed the factory American Flyer steamer tender from 4 wheel pick up to eight wheel pick up? In theory, this would help maintain direction and speed in travel ling through crossings (regardless of manufacturer), and track switches, let alone on dirty track. In converting the Classic American Flyer to dcc operation, there should be an operational improvement by going from 4 wheel pick up to 8 wheel pick up. Is there? Alan Udy Idaho Falls, ID _____________________________________________________________ Victim of medical malpractice? Click here to find an expert lawyer to help pursue your case. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oJJRRZozBTc9Ztxrddhc9wNEaHDAxv5w7rM8ywjOmQ6KIpN/?count=1234567890 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48834	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Tender Pickup Wheels, number of

----- Original Message ----- From: nsupbnsf@... . . . . . have any of us changed the factory American Flyer steamer tender from 4 wheel pick up to eight wheel pick up? . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > You might consider replacing the AF tender trucks with SHS tender trucks. They pick up current on all wheels. You'll need to make or buy some bolsters that the trucks attach to. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48835	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Rail Shops do they have an E-mail address

I was in DEs Plaines Hobbies and saw the line only had Chicago Great Western in stock and some in white boxes with no trucks or couplers @ 17.95. Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> wrote: Hi! PRS was taken over by Des Plaines Hobbies a couple of years ago. Try www.desplaineshobbies.com to see what they have, or call them on the phone for more particular questions (like parts). Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ P.S. Say thank you, Ron. I tried just Pacific Rail Shops and found nothing. Was wondering what their lines were. Any body know? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48836	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Tender Pickup Wheels, number of

Yep, Alan. We replace the Flyer trucks with SHS tender trucks and coupler. Works great. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 05/19/2008 4:40:39 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nsupbnsf@... writes: In search of improved reliability, have any of us changed the factory American Flyer steamer tender from 4 wheel pick up to eight wheel pick up? In theory, this would help maintain direction and speed in travel ling through crossings (regardless of manufacturer)In search of improved reliability, have any of us c In converting the Classic American Flyer to dcc operation, there should be an operational improvement by going from 4 wheel pick up to 8 wheel pick up. Is there? Alan Udy Idaho Falls, ID __________________________________________________________ Victim of medical malpractice? Click here to find an expert lawyer to help pursue your case. _http://thirdpartyofhttp://thihttp://thirdhttp://thirdparthttp://thirdparthttp ://thirdparthttp://thihttp://thirdparth_ (http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oJJRRZozBTc9Ztxrddhc9wNEaHDAxv5w7rM8ywjOmQ6KIpN/?count=12345678 90) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48837	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: 24422 box car

hi, i have a 24422 box car and the stencil numbers under the G N on one side were put on to low and there half cut off, does this make it less or more valuable? thanks lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48838	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Train derailment

Nope...nothing I want there. Too modern, I'm into the steam era. Besides, I'm afraid that cleaning those pieces up to collector grade will be too tough...and no boxes! :-) Stumpster

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48839	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Tender pickup wheels

When I rebuilt my damaged 356 into "The Blue Bullet" I had to come up with a whole tender floor and trucks and couplers. I used American Models six wheel passenger car trucks to pick up juice and change the engine's appearance. I no longer have nearly as much trouble with power interruptions of the reverse unit since I got rid of them and run DC can motors straight. It's way smoother. Stumpy Stone in rainy (yet again) Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48840	From: william cole	Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: conversation with a possible convert

last night on my way to watch the Detroit-Dallas hockey game at a local sports pub, I was talking to one of my railroad buddies on the phone, and asked him what it nwould take for him to convert to S. This past weekend we attended the local narrow gauge module meet in Kimberton, PA, and noted the lack of an Sn3 layout this year (there was some Sn3 flex track for sale and a few Sn3 kits and brass)....I checked out the Sn3 steam available, and it is very nice and out of my budget (I do narrow gauge in 1:20.3, as it is fun to run outside! not cheap either!). Anyway his response has been that this is a very nice modelling size, and agrees with my reasoning of switching to S as the equioment looks and runs well right out of the box, and is big enough to see.... (thank you American Models and S-Helper Service!!!), and the Shinohara turnouts are works of art! his hold back is the lack of a GE 44 tonner and GE 70 tonner (he likes these little critters, and little oddball diesels). He has even asked me to keep looking to see if any of the brass 44 tonners are ever around at a cheap price.... I continue to try to talk him into a small EMD SW-1, for right now.... just wanted to share this conversation with you all... this is an attractive scale, and others are looking to see what becomes available.... Bill Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48841	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert

----- Original Message ----- From: william cole . . . . . . his hold back is the lack of a GE 44 tonner and GE 70 tonner . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Interesting that he should mention those two locomotives, since Jim King of Smoky Mountain announced plans for kits for those two locomotives just last week. It's not reflected on his web-site, but he sent me a flyer on them. But since they will be kits and he refuses to put high-rail wheels on them I won't post the flyer to this list. But if I can find it, I'll e-mail it to anyone interested. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48842	From: william cole	Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert

Tom, that's pretty interesting....I think my buddy will become one of us!!!! <grins> if not, I'm gonna bust his stones for a couple of years!!!! The high rail guys and Flyer guys seem to like big locos and tight curves.....I don't think this would appeal to many of them, much as they haven't appealed to the O guys with the RY Model brass GE 44 tonners.... Bill --- Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: william cole > > . . . . . . his hold back is the lack of a GE 44 > tonner and GE 70 tonner . . > . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting that he should mention those two > locomotives, since Jim King of > Smoky Mountain announced plans for kits for those > two locomotives just last > week. > > It's not reflected on his web-site, but he sent me a > flyer on them. But > since they will be kits and he refuses to put > high-rail wheels on them I > won't post the flyer to this list. > > But if I can find it, I'll e-mail it to anyone > interested. > > Tom Hawley > > Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48843	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert

Tom, I would like to see what he said about the 70 tonners...certainly caught my attention.... Thanks gale frisco91@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hawley To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] conversation with a possible convert ----- Original Message ----- From: william cole . . . . . . his hold back is the lack of a GE 44 tonner and GE 70 tonner . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Interesting that he should mention those two locomotives, since Jim King of Smoky Mountain announced plans for kits for those two locomotives just last week. It's not reflected on his web-site, but he sent me a flyer on them. But since they will be kits and he refuses to put high-rail wheels on them I won't post the flyer to this list. But if I can find it, I'll e-mail it to anyone interested. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48844	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: conversation with a possible convert

Someone also made a plastic bodied 44 tonner with DC can motor. I have one, but there is no identification of the manufacturer on the box or instruction sheet. Roger Delthony rpd5@... EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48845	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Add'l Power pick up

For flawless operation Wire the following car, equipped with power pick-up to the loco. A passenger car or a flood light car. I use miniature plugs, salvaged from old computed. Some plugs will accept the bare wire plugged into the small plug. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48846	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Big locos, tight curves, and the like...

Interesting comment about Flyer hi-rail guys like big engines and tight curves, Bill. I've noticed the same thing, but could the reason not be so much preference as that for years that's all there was? There is a very large group of old Flyer collectors and operators on this list. I suspect that many run Flyer track and collect Flyer locomotives....big engines on tight curves. IT'S WHAT GILBERT MADE. Coming from "model" railroading mainly, I see it that big engines and long trains cry out for big layouts with long straights and wide radius curves. A lot of the folks in hi-rail have built large layouts and gone to Gargraves and other flex track to ease the curve radius problem. I don't have that kind of space, so I try to hunt down smaller locos, 40 foot freight cars, and limit passenger trains to three or four cars so as not to "overwhelm" my little layout. (There are a lot of visual tricks for working with small layouts, but that's another post.) Going the other direction; Smaller layouts. While there are some folks out there doing neat stuff with PikeMaster 15" radius track, the lack of many small locomotives stifles anyone in S from doing "Micro- Layouts" which is a growing interest in other scales. On another point: That even a small manufacturer would refuse to sell to a part of the hobby seems to be turning away business. However, there isn't much of a hi-rail market for small diesels, or Terry Putt would have sold tons of them by now. Stumpy Stone...trying to wring out the yard long enough to mow it, in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48847	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert

Tom, Please send me a copy of Jim's GE 44-tonner and 70-tonner flyers. THNX! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hawley To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] conversation with a possible convert ----- Original Message ----- From: william cole . . . . . . his hold back is the lack of a GE 44 tonner and GE 70 tonner . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Interesting that he should mention those two locomotives, since Jim King of Smoky Mountain announced plans for kits for those two locomotives just last week. It's not reflected on his web-site, but he sent me a flyer on them. But since they will be kits and he refuses to put high-rail wheels on them I won't post the flyer to this list. But if I can find it, I'll e-mail it to anyone interested. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48848	From: John	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert

If you could send me a copy of the flyer also I would appreciate it too. johntech2004@... Thank you!! John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunseyjr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] conversation with a possible convert > Tom, > Please send me a copy of Jim's GE 44-tonner and 70-tonner flyers. > THNX! > Keep in touch! > > Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... > S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator > River Logging fan > Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan > Virginian Rwy fan > Bonsai grasshopper > Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Hawley > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] conversation with a possible convert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: william cole > > . . . . . . his hold back is the lack of a GE 44 tonner and GE 70 tonner > . . > . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting that he should mention those two locomotives, since Jim King > of > Smoky Mountain announced plans for kits for those two locomotives just > last > week. > > It's not reflected on his web-site, but he sent me a flyer on them. But > since they will be kits and he refuses to put high-rail wheels on them I > won't post the flyer to this list. > > But if I can find it, I'll e-mail it to anyone interested. > > Tom Hawley > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48849	From: John	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Small Diesels..

Hi Stumpy I was looking for a couple small diesels myself. I had looked at the ones from Terry Putt but they seemed a little too boxy for me. That is why I ended up chopping down a Baldwin to make what I needed. Now if I can get down to finding the yellow-white headlights and some power pickups for it I think it would be ready to run. John Frankforther >On another point: That even a small manufacturer would refuse to sell > to a part of the hobby seems to be turning away business. However, > there isn't much of a hi-rail market for small diesels, or Terry Putt > would have sold tons of them by now. > Stumpy Stone...trying to wring out the yard long enough to mow it, in > Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48850	From: John	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert

HI Roger Could you post some pictures of it? It would be interesting to see how it's made! John Frankforther > Someone also made a plastic bodied 44 tonner with DC can motor. I have > one, but there is no identification of the manufacturer on the box or > instruction sheet. > > > Roger Delthony > rpd5@... > EarthLink Revolves Around You.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48851	From: Keith Erhart	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert

I have a 44-tonner made by River Raisin that has AF-compatible wheels and couplers. They also made in scale. It has a DC motor. Keith Erhart From: Roger Delthony To: billcwithonec@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:conversation with a possible convert Someone also made a plastic bodied 44 tonner with DC can motor. I have one, but there is no identification of the manufacturer on the box or instruction sheet. Roger Delthony rpd5@... EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48852	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: This week as SHS and Robin's Display and Sample Sale

This week at SHS& Robin, Bill and I have returned from a too brief trip to the Sunshine state and are now getting ready for our Open House (June 13th & 14th) next month. We have been holding these in June the last few years and we have a really good time putting them on. In the past we have had clinics, our operating display, samples of future products, Robin's famous "Scratch and Dent Sale" as well as lots of food and drinks. One change is that we will be opening our "Display and Sample Sale" early for the benefit of our customers that are unable to attend. Most of these items are no longer available (sold out). Sample items are pre-production items sent to us for approval. Display items are either taken out of the box at shows, used in photos for ads or those run on our operating layout. Some now have KD or our 01295 couplers installed. We have noted this in the descriptions. Items may have some dust, but in general are complete. The list of items can be purchased online at: http://www.showcaseline.com/SampleSale2.html Bill Clark will be revising the list daily to remove sold out items as well as items we will be adding as we find them in the warehouse. You do not need to order these items on the computer, but can call us here (10 AM to 4 PM) to place an order. Our phone number is 732-441-0555. As a bonus to our customers that order one or more items from this sale, we will extend a 15% discount to any in stock SHS item purchased at the same time. This additional discount will not apprear on the Americart order form. But, we will know that your order includes sale items and adjust it to include the 15% discount. Unfortunetly, the condition of "Scratch and Dent" items are not consistant and really must be seen to be purchased as they are all sold "As Is" and include no warranties. These will continue to be sold only at the warehouse. Bill has posted new images of last round of samples of our new covered hoppers. They can be viewed or ordered online at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRACovered/usraCoveredHoppers_in_stock.html The shipment of our reefers and 50 ton trucks has been delayed. We hope to see these leaving in the next 30 days. Roadnames can be viewed at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48853	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: Big locos, tight curves, and the like...

Even K-Lionel S-54 is kind of tight. I know that I'd LOVE to see S-72. 0-72 looks wide until you run a Hudson or Mohawk. But traditional 0 and 0-27 look better on 0-72 and, since they are pretty close to S in size, S should look pretty nice. And just think about the reduced side forces on the driver's tire/insulator interface.Maybe if we start bombarding Flyonel with S-72 requests, they might start producing it by the time our grandchildren are ready to retire. Well, that may not be fair, as the big L has really made me feel that they're committed to Flyer.- John Marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48854	From: Alan Evans	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: conversation with a possible convert

The gray resin 77 Tonner body was done by American Hi Rail (Tom Hodgson), the drive was from Pennsylvania Heritage Models and Steam Depot sold the units. - Alan Evans _____ On Behalf Of Roger Delthony Subject: [S-Trains] Re:conversation with a possible convert Someone also made a plastic bodied 44 tonner with DC can motor. I have one, but there is no identification of the manufacturer on the box or instruction sheet. Roger Delthony rpd5@earthlink. <mailto:rpd5%40earthlink.net> net EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48855	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: miller power axle

Evening list... I have a Miller hirail power axle set, that I would like to trade for a scale powered axle if any one has an extra...Not talking trucks here just the axle, magnets and journal boxes in the frame. or will mount it in a truck and trade for a single motor scale truck. Also have a SHS ICG Extended vision caboose, new in box would like to trade for a D&H EV caboose or a BN EV caboose. Thanks Gale Hall frisco91@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48856	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: S Helper Field

Surveyor's have taken there attention to S Helper Field, since I am out of ballast and am waiting further shipment from across the country. We have a S Scale infield down, partly with the bases, the pitching mound, 18 feet diameter, in scale and the batter's circle which is 26 feet in diameter. I have made home plate which is 17" x 8.3" on the sides to a point. That comes down to 1/4" x 3/16" to a point. I put my home plate on the table and could not find it!! Linda found it. LOL They might get the park open before the end of the season. Hit the gabe man on the ladder, the player wins a lifetime of gasoline for his S scale car. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48857	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: 44 Tonner Pics (was 'conversation with a possible convert')

See link to photos down below the quoted text. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >At 12:57 PM -0400 5/21/08, Glenn Ritter wrote: >Hi Jim, >Did you ever finish your 44 Tonner? >Can you post a picture? > - Glenn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >On May 21, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Alan Evans wrote: >The gray resin 77 Tonner body was done by American Hi Rail (Tom Hodgson), >the drive was from Pennsylvania Heritage Models and Steam Depot sold the >units. > - Alan Evans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At http://ssg2.blogspot.com/ I just finished putting two photos of my GE 44 Tonner. This one came from Steam Depot, back in the late 1990's. The painting and body assembly (mounting the handrails) was done by a now-deceased gentleman named Dave Maggs. The DCC decoder and blinking light on top of the cab were installed by Fred Cupp of Williamsport Pa. Astute rivet-counters may correctly note that D&H (Delaware & Hudson) never had a 44 tonner. But I like D&H color schemes (obvious tinplater traits), and there's not much available in S gauge, so I exercised the privilege of "artistic license". ((Note all the work on this engine was actually done by others, as I myself have the modeling skills of a 3 year old.)) I don't run this engine very much, as it frequently STALLS, as it does not seem to pick up the current from the track well. Other peoples' models of this same engine that I have seen, seem to exhibit the same stalling tendancy. I was thinking of connecting and wiring it to a freight car equipped with SHS caboose trucks for additional electrical pickup; sort of like Jerry Dobbs was mentioning a few messages back. I've also got one of the Putt Trains small diesels, but it also seems to suffer from similar electrical pick up problems, and does not seem to run particularly well on my layout. ===== ADDITIONAL RAMBLING: ===== I personally think it would be great if S gauge had some really-small diesels and small 0-4-0 steamers with EXCELLENT pickup and running characteristics that could negotiate sharp curves -- sort of like the short engines that LGB made in LargeScale. These LGB engines ran extremely well, and would negotiate tight radius curves. (LGB used "sliders" for additional pickup, low gearing, and high quality motors, to get smooth, no-stalling, constant speed running characteristics.) (("Old timers" on this list may remember that we had a discussion about this "running trains on small radius track" stuff back around February of 2000, but I was requested to stop discussing it {referring to Message 6996 dated 2/8/2000 in the archives}, so I've shut up about it as requested.)) ~~~~~~~~ If you've seen any of my YouTube automatic control videos (under YouTube user 'jim17701pa') where we run up to 5 LGB trains on the same track, the controls can successfully operate the trains, because of the LGB engines' dependable running characteristics, plus the couplers stay coupled. Trying to operate these same type of automatic controls systems with some of the S gauge engines -- the way they "sputter" and stall and bog down on upgrades and race down the downgrades; plus frequent unwanted uncouplings -- would be nearly impossible. However, we've recently started experimenting with using some of these automatic controls in S gauge -- using S-Helper diesels, and vintage American Flyer steamers retrofitted with the SnS half-speed can motors and 8-wheel pickup via retrofitting SHS caboose trucks on the Flyer tenders -- and it seems like getting these controls to successfully work in S gauge may possibly be do-able. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ======== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48858	From: Glenn	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: 44 Tonner Pics

Hi Jim, This sure looks good compared to the unfinished product you had at our 1999 club picnic. http://ssg2.blogspot.com/ Back then one of our members was running trains from solar power until a cloud blocked the sun. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings To: S-Trains Discussion List List Cc: Ritter-Glenn Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:41 PM Subject: 44 Tonner Pics (was 'conversation with a possible convert') At http://ssg2.blogspot.com/ I just finished putting two photos of my GE 44 Tonner. This one came from Steam Depot, back in the late 1990's. The painting and body assembly (mounting the handrails) was done by a now-deceased gentleman named Dave Maggs. The DCC decoder and blinking light on top of the cab were installed by Fred Cupp of Williamsport Pa. Astute rivet-counters may correctly note that D&H (Delaware & Hudson) never had a 44 tonner. But I like D&H color schemes (obvious tinplater traits), and there's not much available in S gauge, so I exercised the privilege of "artistic license". ((Note all the work on this engine was actually done by others, as I myself have the modeling skills of a 3 year old.)) I don't run this engine very much, as it frequently STALLS, as it does not seem to pick up the current from the track well. Other peoples' models of this same engine that I have seen, seem to exhibit the same stalling tendancy. I was thinking of connecting and wiring it to a freight car equipped with SHS caboose trucks for additional electrical pickup; sort of like Jerry Dobbs was mentioning a few messages back. I've also got one of the Putt Trains small diesels, but it also seems to suffer from similar electrical pick up problems, and does not seem to run particularly well on my layout. ===== ADDITIONAL RAMBLING: ===== I personally think it would be great if S gauge had some really-small diesels and small 0-4-0 steamers with EXCELLENT pickup and running characteristics that could negotiate sharp curves -- sort of like the short engines that LGB made in LargeScale. These LGB engines ran extremely well, and would negotiate tight radius curves. (LGB used "sliders" for additional pickup, low gearing, and high quality motors, to get smooth, no-stalling, constant speed running characteristics.) (("Old timers" on this list may remember that we had a discussion about this "running trains on small radius track" stuff back around February of 2000, but I was requested to stop discussing it {referring to Message 6996 dated 2/8/2000 in the archives}, so I've shut up about it as requested.)) ~~~~~~~~ If you've seen any of my YouTube automatic control videos (under YouTube user 'jim17701pa') where we run up to 5 LGB trains on the same track, the controls can successfully operate the trains, because of the LGB engines' dependable running characteristics, plus the couplers stay coupled. Trying to operate these same type of automatic controls systems with some of the S gauge engines -- the way they "sputter" and stall and bog down on upgrades and race down the downgrades; plus frequent unwanted uncouplings -- would be nearly impossible. However, we've recently started experimenting with using some of these automatic controls in S gauge -- using S-Helper diesels, and vintage American Flyer steamers retrofitted with the SnS half-speed can motors and 8-wheel pickup via retrofitting SHS caboose trucks on the Flyer tenders -- and it seems like getting these controls to successfully work in S gauge may possibly be do-able. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48859	From: len_hall	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Portland Oregon Train Stores?

I will be in Portland in a couple of weeks. Are there any stores in that area that carry American Flyer, etc. S Gauge trains? Len

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48860	From: Jim King	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Clarification on upcoming diesels

Re: Tom Hawley's comments that I refuse to offer the hi-rail option on my upcoming diesels, that was true ... at the time we discusses this. Since then, I've reconsidered this decision based on a discussion with another dealer. Since addition of tall flanges to an otherwise scale engine is all that this dealer suggested, I see no reason not to offer this. So, for those of you modeling in the grey area between scale couplers and hi-rail flanges, you will be covered. The first engine will be a 70-ton GE, early phase (round headlight, no front grill); this engine has never been produced as far as I can determine. The 2nd will be a Phase IV 44-ton GE. The late-phase 70-t and early phase 44-t will also be produced next year. Engines will be wired for straight DC but there is room for an AC converter, DCC and small sound unit. These won't be offered in order to keep the retail price as low as possible and to allow the modeler to personalize the engine. More will be published as details come together. This is a 100%-built-in-the-USA line of diesels using proven mechanism design and 3D CAD/rapid prototyped patterns to create the urethane shell. Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48861	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?

Sorry about that. We have a few ~ Whistle stop 11724 SE Division St Portland, OR 97266-1033 (503) 761-1822 Quality Farm Toys & Hobbies www.qualityfarmtoys.com 719 Main St Oregon City, OR 97045 (503) 650-8023 Coin Corner & Hobbies maps.google.com 215 7th St Oregon City, OR 97045 (503) 656-1835 Clayton S. D. --- On Thu, 5/22/08, len_hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > From: len_hall <len_hall@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Portland Oregon Train Stores? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008, 6:34 AM > I will be in Portland in a couple of weeks. Are there any > stores in > that area that carry American Flyer, etc. S Gauge trains? > > Len

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48862	From: Grant	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field

Mike I hope you signed a long term lease with the team, I heard because of the lack of luxury boxes they are thinking of moving to FL! I would say from your dimensions that even the Giants or Nats could hit a few 'out of the park' Have Fun! Grant --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Surveyor's have taken there attention to S Helper Field, since I am out of ballast and am waiting further shipment from across the country. > > We have a S Scale infield down, partly with the bases, the pitching mound, 18 feet diameter, in scale and the batter's circle which is 26 feet in diameter. > > I have made home plate which is 17" x 8.3" on the sides to a point. That comes down to 1/4" x 3/16" to a point. I put my home plate on the table and could not find it!! Linda found it. LOL > > They might get the park open before the end of the season. > > Hit the gabe man on the ladder, the player wins a lifetime of gasoline for his S scale car. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48863	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Clarification on upcoming diesels

Dear Jim, If you need AF comp or code 110 wheels, I might be able to help. Best, Don Jim King wrote: > Re: Tom Hawley's comments that I refuse to offer the hi-rail option on > my upcoming diesels, that was true ... at the time we discusses this. > Since then, I've reconsidered this decision based on a discussion > with another dealer. > > Since addition of tall flanges to an otherwise scale engine is all > that this dealer suggested, I see no reason not to offer this. So, > for those of you modeling in the grey area between scale couplers and > hi-rail flanges, you will be covered. > > The first engine will be a 70-ton GE, early phase (round headlight, no > front grill); this engine has never been produced as far as I can > determine. The 2nd will be a Phase IV 44-ton GE. The late-phase 70-t > and early phase 44-t will also be produced next year. > > Engines will be wired for straight DC but there is room for an AC > converter, DCC and small sound unit. These won't be offered in order > to keep the retail price as low as possible and to allow the modeler > to personalize the engine. > > More will be published as details come together. This is a > 100%-built-in-the-USA line of diesels using proven mechanism design > and 3D CAD/rapid prototyped patterns to create the urethane shell. > > Jim King > www.smokymountainmodelworks.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48864	From: william cole	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field

<grins> anyone for an S scale hockey rink? Bc --- Grant <gwbishop@...> wrote: > Mike > I hope you signed a long term lease with the team, I > heard because of > the lack of luxury boxes they are thinking of moving > to FL! > > I would say from your dimensions that even the > Giants or Nats could > hit a few 'out of the park' > > Have Fun! > Grant > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda > Marmer" > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > > Surveyor's have taken there attention to S Helper > Field, since I am > out of ballast and am waiting further shipment from > across the country. > > > > We have a S Scale infield down, partly with the > bases, the pitching > mound, 18 feet diameter, in scale and the batter's > circle which is 26 > feet in diameter. > > > > I have made home plate which is 17" x 8.3" on the > sides to a point. > That comes down to 1/4" x 3/16" to a point. I > put my home plate on > the table and could not find it!! Linda found it. > LOL > > > > They might get the park open before the end of the > season. > > > > Hit the gabe man on the ladder, the player wins a > lifetime of > gasoline for his S scale car. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48865	From: David Engle	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?

Check also whitebearstudios.com They mainly trucks, but they do carry some S-compatible stuff. Tom Hawley turned us on to that one last year. ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Portland Oregon Train Stores? Sorry about that. We have a few ~ Whistle stop 11724 SE Division St Portland, OR 97266-1033 (503) 761-1822 Quality Farm Toys & Hobbies www.qualityfarmtoys.com 719 Main St Oregon City, OR 97045 (503) 650-8023 Coin Corner & Hobbies maps.google.com 215 7th St Oregon City, OR 97045 (503) 656-1835 Clayton S. D. --- On Thu, 5/22/08, len_hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > From: len_hall <len_hall@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Portland Oregon Train Stores? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008, 6:34 AM > I will be in Portland in a couple of weeks. Are there any > stores in > that area that carry American Flyer, etc. S Gauge trains? > > Len [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48866	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field

I wonder what a golf course would look like? I have played some courses in PA that left me huffing and puffing from the up and down hill walks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Helper Field Mike I hope you signed a long term lease with the team, I heard because of the lack of luxury boxes they are thinking of moving to FL! I would say from your dimensions that even the Giants or Nats could hit a few 'out of the park' Have Fun! Grant --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Surveyor's have taken there attention to S Helper Field, since I am out of ballast and am waiting further shipment from across the country. > > We have a S Scale infield down, partly with the bases, the pitching mound, 18 feet diameter, in scale and the batter's circle which is 26 feet in diameter. > > I have made home plate which is 17" x 8.3" on the sides to a point. That comes down to 1/4" x 3/16" to a point. I put my home plate on the table and could not find it!! Linda found it. LOL > > They might get the park open before the end of the season. > > Hit the gabe man on the ladder, the player wins a lifetime of gasoline for his S scale car. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48867	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Saving the Last Depot

I am a member of a group trying to save that last Train Depot in Durham County, North Carolina. Since both Durham city and county and our little town of Rougemont all got their names because of the railraods, we think this is significant. If you would like to read about our effort, simply go to our website at www.saverougemontdepot.org or send me an email and I will send you a .pdf brochure. Joe  Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48868	From: Orville Baxter	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?

Sorry about that. We have a few ~ Whistle stop 11724 SE Division StPortland, OR 97266-1033(503) 761-1822 The Whistle Stop used to carry AF and some PRS kits but haven't had any for a while. I bought a few from them over the years. They occasionally have an S scale item on consignment. Quality Farm Toys & Hobbieswww.qualityfarmtoys.com719 Main StOregon City, OR 97045(503) 650-8023 Quality Farm Toys has some AF at times. Coin Corner & Hobbiesmaps.google.com215 7th StOregon City, OR 97045(503) 656-1835Coin Corner has a couple of shelves of old AF and Lionel along one wall left over from when they were a hobby shop. They are mostly an antique shop now. White Bear Studios is an internet sales business run out of the owners garage. He may allow visitors but you would have to contact him in advance. Orville Baxter Northwest S Scalers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48869	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: 24422 [S-Trains] Digest Number 4068

Lou, What you describe makes your example of the 24422 an interesting factory error, but not intrinsically more valuable. What usually distinguishes the 24422's is that the green-painted samples are roughly 10 times more valuable than the unpainted green plastic examples, given equal condition (E or better). Hope this helps. Enjoy your collecting. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 5/20/2008 8:37:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: i have a 24422 box car and the stencil numbers under the G N on one side were put on to low and there half cut off, does this make it less or more valuable? thanks lou **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48870	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?

Hi, The Whistle Stop is a nice train store, but in the 3 or 4 times that I have been in it in the last 18 months, I have never seen a single piece of S-gauge equipment. (Maybe others have?) Vic's Hobby Shop 606 NE Broadway, Portland, 97232 503-281-1032 has the most that I have seen in the Portland area, and that isn't a lot. The Hobby Smith at 1809 NE 39th Ave Portland 97212 503-284-1912 (not too far from Vic's) had a little bit the one time that I was in it several months ago. I have heard rumors that some place in Oregon City had some - which are probably the ones Clayton listed below. There isn't much out here compared to some places back east. I don't really have a layout, but I like to modify/customize locomotives. Let me know if you are interested in stopping by to see them. I am in a western suburb of Portland called Beaverton. Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Sorry about that. We have a few ~ Whistle stop 11724 SE Division St > Portland, OR 97266-1033 > (503) 761-1822 > > Quality Farm Toys & Hobbies > www.qualityfarmtoys.com > > 719 Main St > Oregon City, OR 97045 > (503) 650-8023 > > Coin Corner & Hobbies > maps.google.com > > 215 7th St > Oregon City, OR 97045 > (503) 656-1835 > > > Clayton S. D. > > > --- On Thu, 5/22/08, len_hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > > > From: len_hall <len_hall@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Portland Oregon Train Stores? > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008, 6:34 AM > > I will be in Portland in a couple of weeks. Are there any > > stores in > > that area that carry American Flyer, etc. S Gauge trains? > > > > Len >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48871	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?

I do not know about American Flyer. But if you check the yellow pages and if it says Lionel and used it may have A. F. . But SHS list stoers which carry their product as does A.M.. You could also check out S Gaugian Magazine they usually have stores listed. len_hall <len_hall@...> wrote: I will be in Portland in a couple of weeks. Are there any stores in that area that carry American Flyer, etc. S Gauge trains? Len [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48872	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Saving the Last Depot

Good luck in saving the last depot. What rail road company was the station used by? Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: I am a member of a group trying to save that last Train Depot in Durham County, North Carolina. Since both Durham city and county and our little town of Rougemont all got their names because of the railraods, we think this is significant. If you would like to read about our effort, simply go to our website at www.saverougemontdepot.org or send me an email and I will send you a .pdf brochure. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48873	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: FOR SALE : AM Heavyweight Passenger Car second reply

I wrote to you before. and you wrote back and now I am not SURE if I am going to get the other car. you can just post your note again and if I see it I will get back to you, or hopefully some one else will get it. Going to NASG in Milwaukee. there is a good place for selling it too. John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: I have ONE American Models / NASG 80' General svc. 10-1-2 Heavyweight Pullman Sleeper that needs a new home. It has "scale" wheels and one Kadee gearbox installed on it, but no other modifications have been made. I do NOT have the hi-rail wheels it came with, but they should be easy to get from Ron at AM. I'm not 100% sure, but I'm fairly sure I have the original couplers, though. This model can be yours for $45 + $8 for shipping. I prefer PayPal payments, but will take a money order. NO checks, please. I CANNOT ACCEPT CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS to my PayPal account!!! Contact me off-line at my e-mail address beolw if interested. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48874	From: Robert Boring	Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?

The last time I was at the Whistle Stop on Division in Portland they had a few new pieces of Lionel American Flyer. Haven't seen much, if any, used there in some time. Bob Boring NWSS ----- Original Message ----- From: Orville Baxter To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Portland Oregon Train Stores? Sorry about that. We have a few ~ Whistle stop 11724 SE Division StPortland, OR 97266-1033(503) 761-1822 The Whistle Stop used to carry AF and some PRS kits but haven't had any for a while. I bought a few from them over the years. They occasionally have an S scale item on consignment. Quality Farm Toys & Hobbieswww.qualityfarmtoys.com719 Main StOregon City, OR 97045(503) 650-8023 Quality Farm Toys has some AF at times. Coin Corner & Hobbiesmaps.google.com215 7th StOregon City, OR 97045(503) 656-1835Coin Corner has a couple of shelves of old AF and Lionel along one wall left over from when they were a hobby shop. They are mostly an antique shop now. White Bear Studios is an internet sales business run out of the owners garage. He may allow visitors but you would have to contact him in advance. Orville Baxter Northwest S Scalers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48875	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?

I visited Coin Corner within the last two years and they still had a lot of trains, car kits, models, etc. When did Gary go antique? That's a shame. I bought a really nice 332 from about 15 years ago. Regarding Quality Farm Toys--if you ask the owner, he has stuff that's not in the store that he doesn't have room to stock. I have bought some really nice, relatively rare pieces from him over the years that were not displayed in the store. You've got to ask. As far as Whistle Stop goes, not worth the trip. They have nothing S gauge, small amount of Lionel. Most everything worth buying nowadays goes on eBay. Bruce DeGailler TCA 81-16572 ----- Original Message ----- From: Orville Baxter To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Portland Oregon Train Stores? Sorry about that. We have a few ~ Whistle stop 11724 SE Division StPortland, OR 97266-1033(503) 761-1822 The Whistle Stop used to carry AF and some PRS kits but haven't had any for a while. I bought a few from them over the years. They occasionally have an S scale item on consignment. Quality Farm Toys & Hobbieswww.qualityfarmtoys.com719 Main StOregon City, OR 97045(503) 650-8023 Quality Farm Toys has some AF at times. Coin Corner & Hobbiesmaps.google.com215 7th StOregon City, OR 97045(503) 656-1835Coin Corner has a couple of shelves of old AF and Lionel along one wall left over from when they were a hobby shop. They are mostly an antique shop now. White Bear Studios is an internet sales business run out of the owners garage. He may allow visitors but you would have to contact him in advance. Orville Baxter Northwest S Scalers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48876	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field

I have seen a golf course on a G scale layout before!!!! The infield is complete with the cutouts around the bases. Pitching mound will be made to be 3/16" high, as I will get some modeling clay to make the mound. Then I can put down the grass, the dirt, and use very thin balsa wood for the white lines. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Helper Field I wonder what a golf course would look like? I have played some courses in PA that left me huffing and puffing from the up and down hill walks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Helper Field Mike I hope you signed a long term lease with the team, I heard because of the lack of luxury boxes they are thinking of moving to FL! I would say from your dimensions that even the Giants or Nats could hit a few 'out of the park' Have Fun! Grant --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Surveyor's have taken there attention to S Helper Field, since I am out of ballast and am waiting further shipment from across the country. > > We have a S Scale infield down, partly with the bases, the pitching mound, 18 feet diameter, in scale and the batter's circle which is 26 feet in diameter. > > I have made home plate which is 17" x 8.3" on the sides to a point. That comes down to 1/4" x 3/16" to a point. I put my home plate on the table and could not find it!! Linda found it. LOL > > They might get the park open before the end of the season. > > Hit the gabe man on the ladder, the player wins a lifetime of gasoline for his S scale car. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48877	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Yahoo weirdness?

Is Yahoo losing it's grip on reality? I see posts under the wrong names, or titles, showing up on all the groups! What's going on? Stumpy Stone...or am I really someone else?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48878	From: James Hannawald	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field

Mike, You might want to look at some thin "Pin stripping" tape from an auto parts store for your white lines on the ball field. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Helper Field I have seen a golf course on a G scale layout before!!!! The infield is complete with the cutouts around the bases. Pitching mound will be made to be 3/16" high, as I will get some modeling clay to make the mound. Then I can put down the grass, the dirt, and use very thin balsa wood for the white lines. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Helper Field I wonder what a golf course would look like? I have played some courses in PA that left me huffing and puffing from the up and down hill walks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Helper Field Mike I hope you signed a long term lease with the team, I heard because of the lack of luxury boxes they are thinking of moving to FL! I would say from your dimensions that even the Giants or Nats could hit a few 'out of the park' Have Fun! Grant --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Surveyor's have taken there attention to S Helper Field, since I am out of ballast and am waiting further shipment from across the country. > > We have a S Scale infield down, partly with the bases, the pitching mound, 18 feet diameter, in scale and the batter's circle which is 26 feet in diameter. > > I have made home plate which is 17" x 8.3" on the sides to a point. That comes down to 1/4" x 3/16" to a point. I put my home plate on the table and could not find it!! Linda found it. LOL > > They might get the park open before the end of the season. > > Hit the gabe man on the ladder, the player wins a lifetime of gasoline for his S scale car. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48879	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field

Hi Mike, You might try some white plastic strip for the base lines. Most hobby shops have a good selection. I think the main supplier is Plastruct. Here is a link to their website: http://www.plastruct.com/ Good luck! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I have seen a golf course on a G scale layout before!!!! > > The infield is complete with the cutouts around the bases. > > Pitching mound will be made to be 3/16" high, as I will get some modeling clay to make the mound. > > Then I can put down the grass, the dirt, and use very thin balsa wood for the white lines. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: A. E. Johnson > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Helper Field > > > I wonder what a golf course would look like? I have played some courses in PA that left me huffing and puffing from the up and down hill walks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Grant > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:06 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Helper Field > > Mike > I hope you signed a long term lease with the team, I heard because of > the lack of luxury boxes they are thinking of moving to FL! > > I would say from your dimensions that even the Giants or Nats could > hit a few 'out of the park' > > Have Fun! > Grant > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" > <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > Surveyor's have taken there attention to S Helper Field, since I am > out of ballast and am waiting further shipment from across the country. > > > > We have a S Scale infield down, partly with the bases, the pitching > mound, 18 feet diameter, in scale and the batter's circle which is 26 > feet in diameter. > > > > I have made home plate which is 17" x 8.3" on the sides to a point. > That comes down to 1/4" x 3/16" to a point. I put my home plate on > the table and could not find it!! Linda found it. LOL > > > > They might get the park open before the end of the season. > > > > Hit the gabe man on the ladder, the player wins a lifetime of > gasoline for his S scale car. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48880	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: 30B vs 22080

Do any of you remember if a key internal difference between a 30B and a 22080 is that the 30B splits the output of one large primary-secondary coil set across two throttle contols, whereas the 22080 actually has two smaller coil sets (one for each throttle) which when added togther have the equivalent power capacity of the 30B (i.e. both are 300W rated)? I vaguely recall mention of this, but can't find where I read it. It makes a difference primarily when using the unit as a power brick - - fixed V post and Base connection only - - not so much for conventional two train/loop operations. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48881	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field

Gee, some interesting layout ideas arriving here. I don't think a hockey rink would work scaled down to S, 'cause you'd be skating on thin ice! Golf course with nearby house and broken window, homeowner on porch shaking fist at golfer on green--or maybe a billboard with a hole or holes in it. (no it's not a mob hit--uh oh, another idea. . .. ) Hmm, in the stands you could have figures gathered together to catch that fly ball--with a lone hot dog vendor on the side disgusted 'cause he's got no business.(or he's got mustard all over him 'cause the ball landed in his vending tray) Forget the track laying, we're having to much fun with the dioramas! Maybe I'd better go back to work. . . . S' David D. Y'all have a great weekend.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48882	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Animated billboards & signs

Hi all, I just got a sale email from a company where I sometimes shop--this is not meant as an advertisment, and I don't know if these guys even have the best price, but the stuff sure looks cool! These are antimated illuminated signs, some will fit the 30s-60s era, and some are more modern, but thought y'all might want to take a looky see, here's the URL; http://www.factorydirecttrains.com/index.aspx Have a great weekend! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48883	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: Animated billboards & signs

Look like Miller Engrg products - - http://www.microstru.com/Billboards.html <http://www.microstru.com/Billboards.html> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48884	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field

Thanks David for the tip, as well to Jim for the pinstriping. I will look at the website later, as I like the idea of the plastic lines, since they will go down by me on the layout, as I know I will mess up the straight line with the pinstriping, but that should work too, if I take my time. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48885	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: S Helper Field Grass!

Today, super turf has started to arrive at S Helper Field, grown in Dingburg, MD home of the Z man, Zippy. As you can see the turf is going down nicely, as the crew will fine tune the edges. The overness on the third base line is not permanently down. We are taking the plastic ruler to fill in along first base. The pitching mound is courtesy of Bessie and Elsie the cows guarding any intrusion at the toll booths of pinheads like Zippy. Actually the pitching mound is made of clay, as there are three fine nails where the pitching plate will be, to give a maximum height. Close up is a bit blurry, but I will smooth it down at the edges. It will be covered in a brown woodland product. There is space on the main board for more left field, as it will not be to scale. This is the fence that will be around the outfield, as we will have a 2" warning track. I will use a flat piece of balsa wood for a scoreboard and I will have a Citgo sign from Fenway Park. We are not a politically correct town. I like the Citgo sign and it will be here! LOL We will have a Branford Diner sign on the fence. For dugout I will make AF whistle stop type buildings and I will have a set of stand like the one seen in Field of Dreams, as that can be made very easy. Well, we are taking time off this weekend for bike riding and baseball on Sunday, so the crew will be off. Might get a bit done tomorrow night. I hope all of you have a great weekend. More ballast arrived today. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48886	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/24/2008
Subject: Re: Animated billboards & signs

They are.............and we stock nearly all the ones appropriate for use on an "S" scale layout. <<<Look like Miller Engrg products - - http://www.microstru.com/Billboards.html <http://www.microstru.com/Billboards.html> >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48887	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/24/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/25/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48888	From: pkrae	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........

I rescued an American Flyer "Texas & Pacific" GP-7 from a garage sale over the weekend. I cleaned it all up......the lights work, the e-unit works, the horn works, the unit rolls forward and neutrals......but WILL NOT reverse. The e-unit cycles and makes contact on the drum, but no motion in the opposite direction. Any Ideas to start first on? ThanX! john jones [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48889	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Albury Model Railway Show

As promised here are some pictures from the Albury Model Railway and Hobby Show last weekend. The show was a great success with about 1400 people attending. Proceeds went to a local hospital. Layouts included my portable AF, a Lionel/ MTH/ K Line one, Australian HO, two Hornby Dublo ones, N Gauge from Canberra, and, of course Thomas the Tank Engine. There was also a display by the local scale models group. I have posted the album at http://amrws.myjalbum.net/showpics/index.html There will be more pictures later Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48890	From: Andrew	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: AF 375 lack of power

I got my AF 375 diesel engine up and running but it doesn't have any power. It can't even pull the dummy engine let alone extra cars. The rubber wheels are all dried up but I don't think that's the problem. When you add extra cars to the engine it just sits there humming and the wheels are not turning. If you take the extra weight off the engine will go. I've tried pulling freight in forward and revers but the engine just won't pull anything. Can anyone give me any sujestions on how to increase its power? I am using a 75 watt transformer. Thanks Andy PS can someone give me a wiring diagram for a AF 470?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48891	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........

John You need to give the fingers on the E unit a real good look, good chance one is not touching or is burned with a slight hole in the tip and not allowing for the reverse cycle... And of course provide the exact location of that garage sale, you seldom find trains, much less AF and a T&P unit very very rare... gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: pkrae To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........ I rescued an American Flyer "Texas & Pacific" GP-7 from a garage sale over the weekend. I cleaned it all up......the lights work, the e-unit works, the horn works, the unit rolls forward and neutrals......but WILL NOT reverse. The e-unit cycles and makes contact on the drum, but no motion in the opposite direction. Any Ideas to start first on? ThanX! john jones [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48892	From: The LANIERs	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: AF 375 lack of power

470 wiring diagram is in portline hobbies website. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 375 lack of power I got my AF 375 diesel engine up and running but it doesn't have any power. It can't even pull the dummy engine let alone extra cars. The rubber wheels are all dried up but I don't think that's the problem. When you add extra cars to the engine it just sits there humming and the wheels are not turning. If you take the extra weight off the engine will go. I've tried pulling freight in forward and revers but the engine just won't pull anything. Can anyone give me any sujestions on how to increase its power? I am using a 75 watt transformer. Thanks Andy PS can someone give me a wiring diagram for a AF 470? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48893	From: Glenn	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Albury Model Railway Show

Thank you John, Looks like a nice show for us to visit. When I saw the Altoona reference it brought back memories of our Altoona, PA convention. http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/AltoonaCon.html Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Brigadier Scottish Shop To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 1:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Albury Model Railway Show As promised here are some pictures from the Albury Model Railway and Hobby Show last weekend. The show was a great success with about 1400 people attending. Proceeds went to a local hospital. Layouts included my portable AF, a Lionel/ MTH/ K Line one, Australian HO, two Hornby Dublo ones, N Gauge from Canberra, and, of course Thomas the Tank Engine. There was also a display by the local scale models group. I have posted the album at http://amrws.myjalbum.net/showpics/index.html There will be more pictures later Regards, John Harvey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48894	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Albury Model Railway Show

Looks like good fun John. Our local show is on at Adelaide on Saturday week. I ran a Flyer All Aboard layout year before last, East German S layout last year but have forsaken the small "s" for the big "S" (standard) this year as a display. Be nice to see you if you come over. I will post some pictures after the Show. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brigadier Scottish Shop Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 3:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Albury Model Railway Show As promised here are some pictures from the Albury Model Railway and Hobby Show last weekend. The show was a great success with about 1400 people attending. Proceeds went to a local hospital. Layouts included my portable AF, a Lionel/ MTH/ K Line one, Australian HO, two Hornby Dublo ones, N Gauge from Canberra, and, of course Thomas the Tank Engine. There was also a display by the local scale models group. I have posted the album at http://amrws. <http://amrws.myjalbum.net/showpics/index.html> myjalbum.net/showpics/index.html There will be more pictures later Regards, John Harvey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48895	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/25/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48896	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?

Quality Farm Toys & Hobbies has some of the new flyer by Lionel, but they will be closed for all of next week. I just talked to them. It is true most of the ones on the list have few things. I was out at Whistle stop the other day, and I picked up all the new Flyer straight track the had. I like the new track, and it has American Flyer stamped in the ties. Coin Corner is like he said, but you never know who's selling off in the area. You still could look them up if you are in the area. Clayton --- On Thu, 5/22/08, Orville Baxter <triu66@...> wrote: > From: Orville Baxter <triu66@...> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Portland Oregon Train Stores? > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008, 4:32 PM > Sorry about that. We have a few ~ Whistle stop 11724 SE > Division StPortland, OR 97266-1033(503) 761-1822 > The Whistle Stop used to carry AF and some PRS kits but > haven't had any for a while. I bought a few from them > over the years. They occasionally have an S scale item on > consignment. > Quality Farm Toys & Hobbieswww.qualityfarmtoys.com719 > Main StOregon City, OR 97045(503) 650-8023 > Quality Farm Toys has some AF at times. > Coin Corner & Hobbiesmaps.google.com215 7th StOregon > City, OR 97045(503) 656-1835Coin Corner has a couple of > shelves of old AF and Lionel along one wall left over from > when they were a hobby shop. They are mostly an antique > shop now. > > White Bear Studios is an internet sales business run out of > the owners garage. He may allow visitors but you would have > to contact him in advance. > > Orville Baxter > Northwest S Scalers > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48897	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores?

Hi al, we picked the stuff up as is comes in for the most part. I would say also Ask the people if they have any thing new in too. Tell them what you are looking for too. Clayton --- On Thu, 5/22/08, Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote: > From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Portland Oregon Train Stores? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008, 5:08 PM > Hi, > The Whistle Stop is a nice train store, but in the 3 or 4 > times that > I have been in it in the last 18 months, I have never seen > a single > piece of S-gauge equipment. (Maybe others have?) > > Vic's Hobby Shop 606 NE Broadway, Portland, 97232 > 503-281-1032 has > the most that I have seen in the Portland area, and that > isn't a lot. > > The Hobby Smith at 1809 NE 39th Ave Portland 97212 > 503-284-1912 (not > too far from Vic's) had a little bit the one time that > I was in it > several months ago. > > I have heard rumors that some place in Oregon City had some > - which > are probably the ones Clayton listed below. > > There isn't much out here compared to some places back > east. > > I don't really have a layout, but I like to > modify/customize > locomotives. Let me know if you are interested in stopping > by to see > them. I am in a western suburb of Portland called > Beaverton. > > Al Baker > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich > <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > > > Sorry about that. We have a few ~ Whistle stop 11724 > SE Division St > > Portland, OR 97266-1033 > > (503) 761-1822 > > > > Quality Farm Toys & Hobbies > > www.qualityfarmtoys.com > > > > 719 Main St > > Oregon City, OR 97045 > > (503) 650-8023 > > > > Coin Corner & Hobbies > > maps.google.com > > > > 215 7th St > > Oregon City, OR 97045 > > (503) 656-1835 > > > > > > Clayton S. D. > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/22/08, len_hall <len_hall@...> > wrote: > > > > > From: len_hall <len_hall@...> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Portland Oregon Train Stores? > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008, 6:34 AM > > > I will be in Portland in a couple of weeks. Are > there any > > > stores in > > > that area that carry American Flyer, etc. S Gauge > trains? > > > > > > Len > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48898	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........

I would add you can bench test this train with a wood tooth pick, and with the power on. Just touch each finger with the tooth pick to test to see what one lone fingers is not letting the power go to the drum. Clayton --- On Sun, 5/25/08, Gale Hall <frisco91@...> wrote: > From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........ > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 25, 2008, 8:42 AM > John > > You need to give the fingers on the E unit a real good > look, good chance one is not touching or is burned with a > slight hole in the tip and not allowing for the reverse > cycle... > > And of course provide the exact location of that garage > sale, you seldom find trains, much less AF and a T&P > unit very very rare... > > gale hall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pkrae > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 7:33 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........ > > > I rescued an American Flyer "Texas & > Pacific" GP-7 from a garage sale over the weekend. I > cleaned it all up......the lights work, the e-unit works, > the horn works, the unit rolls forward and > neutrals......but WILL NOT reverse. The e-unit cycles and > makes contact on the drum, but no motion in the opposite > direction. Any Ideas to start first on? > ThanX! > > john jones > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48899	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........

John, I had similar problems with several AF locos (steam & diesel) years ago - I finally gave up and converted everything to DC and had SnS can motors installed - now they reverse and do the slow crawl wonderfully! I beleive SnS has a Dallee electronic reverse option, if you need to stay in the AC world. Steve, pipe in here, if you're watching. Just my experiences. Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: pkrae To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........ I rescued an American Flyer "Texas & Pacific" GP-7 from a garage sale over the weekend. I cleaned it all up......the lights work, the e-unit works, the horn works, the unit rolls forward and neutrals......but WILL NOT reverse. The e-unit cycles and makes contact on the drum, but no motion in the opposite direction. Any Ideas to start first on? ThanX! john jones [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48900	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Operating problems with old AF.....

If you are a collector, stop reading right now! If you are an operator, or a hi-railer who just likes to run trains, you may continue. You can put a lot of time and money into repairing old Flyer. And reverse units always seem to get "sticky" after they sit for long periods. Everything is tired and old to start with...just like most of us! ;-) After fighting this in my two previous times in S gauge, I changed to DC can motor and a Dallee electronic reverse unit. Problems solved. However, having been in just about every scale and gauge over the years, I decided to go straight DC and eliminate the cost of the reverse unit altogether. This also eliminated the unrealistic start- neutral-reverse sequence needed just to make a simple switching move. Since I rebuild mostly junk box and cheap stuff, this is no problem at all. (You ought to see the junker Franklin I'm working on!) I agree with all those who go to can motors and either electronic or no reverse units...for operation it can't be beat. Smoother, quieter, cooler running motor, less current draw. Look, you have to tear it apart to fix it anyway, why not fix it ONCE? Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in a vert quiet Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48901	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: Operating problems with old AF.....

AMEN!! Stumpy. Another advantage to DC can motor ops - self-contained, battery-power and RadioControl! Don't have to worry about dirty track or reverse loop wiring - and - sound is coming (if you're interested)! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Operating problems with old AF..... If you are a collector, stop reading right now! If you are an operator, or a hi-railer who just likes to run trains, you may continue. You can put a lot of time and money into repairing old Flyer. And reverse units always seem to get "sticky" after they sit for long periods. Everything is tired and old to start with...just like most of us! ;-) After fighting this in my two previous times in S gauge, I changed to DC can motor and a Dallee electronic reverse unit. Problems solved. However, having been in just about every scale and gauge over the years, I decided to go straight DC and eliminate the cost of the reverse unit altogether. This also eliminated the unrealistic start- neutral-reverse sequence needed just to make a simple switching move. Since I rebuild mostly junk box and cheap stuff, this is no problem at all. (You ought to see the junker Franklin I'm working on!) I agree with all those who go to can motors and either electronic or no reverse units...for operation it can't be beat. Smoother, quieter, cooler running motor, less current draw. Look, you have to tear it apart to fix it anyway, why not fix it ONCE? Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in a vert quiet Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48902	From: mike rosz	Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: Albury Model Railway Show

yhanks for the photos Brigadier Scottish Shop <scottishshop@...> wrote: As promised here are some pictures from the Albury Model Railway and Hobby Show last weekend. The show was a great success with about 1400 people attending. Proceeds went to a local hospital. Layouts included my portable AF, a Lionel/ MTH/ K Line one, Australian HO, two Hornby Dublo ones, N Gauge from Canberra, and, of course Thomas the Tank Engine. There was also a display by the local scale models group. I have posted the album at http://amrws.myjalbum.net/showpics/index.html There will be more pictures later Regards, John Harvey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48903	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Need 302 sheet metal tender

Hi, I've been looking over ebay, but I'm not finding what I want. Do any of you have a sheet metal tender that would go with a 302 4-piece cast Atlantic? I have a repair job that requires the whole tender. Thanks, Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48904	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Contact me asap if you need decals for Southern Passenger Cars

Some of my passenger cars, primarily American Models heavyweights, are going to be decorated for me by a custom painter, in the Southern Railway scheme. I am ordering extra decals for the letterboards and for the Southern "wheel on rail" logo for the passenger car sides. If you need any of these, please let me know which ones and the quantity that you would like to order. I do not know the price but will inform interested modelers as soon as I know. I cannot guarantee that I will have enough extras to go around but I will do my best to make them available to anyone who puts in a request by tomorrow night. I have asked for letterboards in Railroad Roman, or maybe it should be called Extended Railroad Roman. Regardless of terminology, the letterboards are to be like the ones that Southern used on its office cars and steam excursion cars during the 1970s. I have requested that the letterboards match as closely as possible the gold lettering that was applied to the SHS/American Models Southern coaches and Pullmans produced in the early (or was it mid?) 1990s. The Southern Railway logo with wheel on rail is the yellow one with green letttering and outline. These logos are available on the S scale Microscale decal available from Des Plaines Hobbies. But there are two problems with these. First, the small lettering is blurred on all of them I have seen. And second, there is only one of these logos on each decal set, as the decal set is intended for decorating diesel cabs, not passenger cars. So it would require two decal sets at $9 each to decorate one car. I have received two pretty good photos of the logo from guys on the Southern Railway Yahoo group and have made these available to my custom painter, who in turn will provide them to his decal maker. I am asking that the logo decals be made identical in size to the logo on the Microscale S decal sheet. My project will require decals for several car names. They are "LOOKOUT MOUNTAIN", "LAKE PEARL", "BRENTWOOD", "KNICKERBOCKER", and "QUEEN and CRESCENT" and centered underneath it will be "CLUB". This is for the commissary car that was used on excursions during the 1970s. I do not have a good photo of this lettering but know that the car name was centered between the two baggage doors on the car. In summary, contact me quantity needed and request that I respond with prices on the following decals" - Letterboards - Wheel on rail logo - Car name "LOOKOUT MOUNTAIN" - Car name "QUEEN and CRESCENT" "CLUB". - Car name "BRENTWOOD" - Car name "LAKE PEARL" - Car name "KNICKERBOCKER" If you do not want to order decals but are interested in having cars similarly decorated, you can review pictures I will post of these cars (and some diesels) and decide if you want to use the same custom painter. Thus far his work has been excellent and very quick. I am in no particular hurry but he guarantees completion within 30 days. The cars should be delivered to my custom painter tomorrow. Based on my earlier projects, it would not surprise me if he send me pictures of the finished cars by the end of this week or first of next week. So contact me asap if you are interested in any of these decals. Note-I am extremely busy this week and cannot answer a whole lot of questions right now. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN Modeling the beautiful trains of Tennessee in S Scale **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48905	From: Edward G.	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need 302 sheet metal tender

Ya i have one..or 2 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been looking over ebay, but I'm not finding what I want. Do any > of you have a sheet metal tender that would go with a 302 4-piece cast > Atlantic? I have a repair job that requires the whole tender. > > Thanks, > Bruce >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48906	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need 302 sheet metal tender

We have several. Steve,SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 05/26/2008 6:16:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, willisbd@... writes: Hi, I've been looking over ebay, but I'm not finding what I want. Do any of you have a sheet metal tender that would go with a 302 4-piece cast Atlantic? I have a repair job that requires the whole tender. Thanks, Bruce **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48907	From: Trains	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need 302 sheet metal tender

Yes I do, I have several in various states of repair...some will need derusting /re-painting and replacing of insulating washers and re-attatchment of trucks (rivets). I Have one that was cleaned and repainted ...needs reassembly and lettering. etc. Peter Loeb/rr4u@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce D. Willis To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Need 302 sheet metal tender Hi, I've been looking over ebay, but I'm not finding what I want. Do any of you have a sheet metal tender that would go with a 302 4-piece cast Atlantic? I have a repair job that requires the whole tender. Thanks, Bruce ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1468 - Release Date: 5/26/2008 3:23 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48908	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Diesel motor questions

Good Morning All - I've had my share of experiences getting AF steamers up and running, but I recently acquired a non-running 466 single-motor diesel Comet and I have a few basic "diesel" questions. 1.) It appears to me that the armature may be rubbing on the field. Is there some sort of adjustment technique to center the armature in the field? 2.) Is there a way to test the armature to make sure it is good? 3.) How are the bearings attached to the drive shaft and are replacements available? 4.) One of te tiny screws that holds the bearing strap and brush in place will not tighten. The hole in the truck appears to be stripped. What's the best way to address that? 5.) I see that I cn have the entire motor and e-unit replaced with a can motor and Dallee unit for $100, but that's twice what I paid for the entire loco. Is it worth putting another $100 in a single-motor diesel loco? (The shell is in repsectable conidition.) Thanks in advance for your help and advice. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48909	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Operating problems with old AF.....

Plus simpler then to convert to TMCC with a DC MotorMite or MC-ENG.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48910	From: Glenn	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel motor questions

Hi Jim, I trust others will answer your questions but I had new bearings placed on the wheel sets for my comet and it hardly pulls the 3 cars that came in the set. It is a weak motor for an early Gilbert Alco. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ensign To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Diesel motor questions Good Morning All - I've had my share of experiences getting AF steamers up and running, but I recently acquired a non-running 466 single-motor diesel Comet and I have a few basic "diesel" questions. 1.) It appears to me that the armature may be rubbing on the field. Is there some sort of adjustment technique to center the armature in the field? 2.) Is there a way to test the armature to make sure it is good? 3.) How are the bearings attached to the drive shaft and are replacements available? 4.) One of te tiny screws that holds the bearing strap and brush in place will not tighten. The hole in the truck appears to be stripped. What's the best way to address that? 5.) I see that I cn have the entire motor and e-unit replaced with a can motor and Dallee unit for $100, but that's twice what I paid for the entire loco. Is it worth putting another $100 in a single-motor diesel loco? (The shell is in repsectable conidition.) Thanks in advance for your help and advice. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48911	From: Les Mavor	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Mountain Backdrops

The most requested kits not yet offered in our catalogue have been western mountains. We are working toward having a variety of these available, and are putting the finishing touches on 2 kits for O and S scales that reflect the Wyoming hills overlooking Sherman Hill. We have posted 2 views of the proposed new kits in a photo album labeled as SceniKing. These 2 kits, after assembly, would create a scene over 20 feet long 13.5" high, with a continuous upper blue sky border to enable extension with paint. Are we on the right track? We welcome feedback. Les Mavor www.sceniking.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48912	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel motor questions

Hi, you may need to rebush the drive wheels, and one more thing to look for is. The little screw holes that hold the straps for the bead bearings in place can strip out, and let the armature rubbing on the field as well. There is two screws to that will adjustment the fields to the right spot, and they are at the top end of the field coil. There is a few in the group that do this type of work, and there is also the new bace - part. I know they are making them new now as well. Clayton --- On Tue, 5/27/08, Glenn <gartrain404@...> wrote: > From: Glenn <gartrain404@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Diesel motor questions > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2008, 8:27 AM > Hi Jim, > > I trust others will answer your > questions but I had new > bearings placed on the > wheel sets for my comet > and it hardly pulls the 3 cars > that came in the set. It > is a weak motor for an > early Gilbert Alco. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Ensign > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:14 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Diesel motor questions > > > Good Morning All - > > I've had my share of experiences getting AF steamers > up and running, > but I recently acquired a non-running 466 single-motor > diesel Comet > and I have a few basic "diesel" questions. > > 1.) It appears to me that the armature may be rubbing on > the field. > Is there some sort of adjustment technique to center the > armature in > the field? > > 2.) Is there a way to test the armature to make sure it > is good? > > 3.) How are the bearings attached to the drive shaft and > are > replacements available? > > 4.) One of te tiny screws that holds the bearing strap > and brush in > place will not tighten. The hole in the truck appears to > be > stripped. What's the best way to address that? > > 5.) I see that I cn have the entire motor and e-unit > replaced with a > can motor and Dallee unit for $100, but that's twice > what I paid for > the entire loco. Is it worth putting another $100 in a > single-motor > diesel loco? (The shell is in repsectable conidition.) > > Thanks in advance for your help and advice. > > Jim E. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48913	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel motor questions

Hi Jim I am sure others will comment on the following: Test Armature and Field for resistance with an OHM meter; Should be one to two OHMS to work well Bearing strap screw; must tighten down or motor will burn up; I just carefully crush chasis screw hole with wire cutters Center field over armature is essential; use the two screws on the brass yoke to do this. Do the wheels wobble up and down? If so you need to rebush the chassis. Put the armature and field on the chassis no brushes: does it spin when turned by hand? Is there hardned grease on the gears? Bench test motor, Do wheels spin after power is shut off? A properly running single motor alco will fly around the track with three lubricated and tuned passenger cars Tom Tomminil@... -----Original Message----- From: Glenn <gartrain404@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:27 am Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Diesel motor questions Hi Jim, I trust others will answer your questions but I had new bearings placed on the wheel sets for my comet and it hardly pulls the 3 cars that came in the set. It is a weak motor for an early Gilbert Alco. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ensign To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Diesel motor questions Good Morning All - I've had my share of experiences getting AF steamers up and running, but I recently acquired a non-running 466 single-motor diesel Comet and I have a few basic "diesel" questions. 1.) It appears to me that the armature may be rubbing on the field. Is there some sort of adjustment technique to center the armature in the field? 2.) Is there a way to test the armature to make sure it is good? 3.) How are the bearings attached to the drive shaft and are replacements available? 4.) One of te tiny screws that holds the bearing strap and brush in place will not tighten. The hole in the truck appears to be stripped. What's the best way to address that? 5.) I see that I cn have the entire motor and e-unit replaced with a can motor and Dallee unit for $100, but that's twice what I paid for the entire loco. Is it worth putting another $100 in a single-motor diesel loco? (The shell is in repsectable conidition.) Thanks in advance for your help and advice. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48914	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel motor questions

Gilbert open-frame motor diesels (and EP electics) are beloved and dreaded. Nothing runs like them when they're in great shape and fine tune - - quiet, smooth, fast, and relatively strong. Sometimes, however, nothing can drive you crazier than trying to get one in less than optimal condition back up to speed. Assuming track power pick- up and the reverse unit are fine, it could be that you need the chassis bushed/rebushed (early Gilberts had bushings, latter ones not, Flyonel chassis do). It could be you need to rewire from the rev unit to the motor(s) (the rainbow wire originally used gets stiff and many times works loose somewhere). You might need to simply rebrush the motor, clean everything including the gaps between commutators, and sparingly lubricate as you reassemble. It could be that your field and armature are not properly aligned. It could be you need to rewind the armature and/or field (due to an obvious short or less apparent "leak" or partial ground). Maybe just convert to can motors and move on. Remember too there were non-pulmor and pulmor versions. The earlier non-pulmor (e.g. 360's) had slightly shorter armature windings, slightly more narrow field, and smaller field notch in the chassis base than than pul-mors (e.g. 470), so it is important that all components match. In the end, when trouble- shooting a Gilbert open frame diesel (PA, GP) or EP be patient. You may end up having to examine, test, and possibly repair/replace/rewire just about everything until you cure what's ailing it depending on how old, well maintained, and/or hard-run an engine it is. One other attibute of these motors, even when in top condition, is that they generally quite warm to hot, especially when compared to modern production can motor based alternatives. There's a reason at shows we see a lot more Gilbert steamers and modern motive power run than Gilbert diesels. All toy trains consume themselves as you run them - - original ACG diesels are simply prone to doing so at a much faster rate than most. I keep a few ACG diesels and EP's in my livery because nothing runs like quite them when in peak operating condition. But even then, I long ago replaced most of their bushing-free soft-metal only Gilbert chassis with Flyonel equivalents so I can relatively easily replace their axle bushings when the inevitable need to do so arises.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48915	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Operating problems with old AF.....

Stumpy and all: I recently bought seven can motors to convert some of my old stuff. I only have a few with sticky e-units that cannot seem to be remedied, and "if it ain't broke," I try not to have to fix it. I have enough projects already. Lynn's uncle went with DC way back when...with the DC magnets and stock AF motors. For my nephews' layout (ages 3 and 5!) I am going to convert to DC so they have an easier time with it. I only wish I had gone this route earlier as I have several AM locos with sound. I am not huge on sound anyway, but they were bought (at extra cost), AC hi-rail with sound. Had it not been for that error, I would go straight DC. I am going to have a switch to change over on each main line, being careful to NOT run an aM hi-rail on DC. That will blow the whole shebang! I have no interest in DCC. To all the operators out there...do whatever makes your toy train adventure fun for you. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48916	From: bstilesaf	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: stick link couplers

I have struggled with sticky links for years. Actually, it is not a struggle. Taking them off and cleaning them out takes care of the problem. Sometimes you can even use the old pins (not often!). I was rebuilding some cars for the nephews last night and had a link "almost" free without disassembly. I spied a can of silicone lubricant spray on the workbench. I shot a quick squirt onto the coupler proper, and it was FREE as a bird! I did the other as well, and they work like new. I know liquid lubricants can be a double edged sword, but I think the silicone will keep the couplers properly lubricated and not accumulate gunk. Time will tell, but these have to work well for the youngsters. I make it a rule to be sure all pieces of operating equipment given to kids are working 100%. Nothing like sticky e-units or couplers to spoil the toy train fun...maybe permanently. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48917	From: pkrae	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: PROBLEM with A-F GP-7........

Thanks for these great suggestions. I'm a "runner", and I want to leave all that I have in good running condition for "the next guy" that will own & run the trains. I don't mind repairing, but Flyer can be frustrating......get everything cleaned and polished and bettered......then the piece is either not any better OR won't run at all! LOL! But I always learn a little more in the process. john jones <> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48918	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: 30B vs 22080

Found it. Jarcho shared with us that the pancake transformers starting in 1958 (22035 and 22090) had one secondary coil and scrapers. Wherease 3 and 5 digit turret types came with two secondary coils and carbon rollers. The 22080, like other 5-digit turret-type transformers, differed from 3-digit units in that its handles are rolled not solid steel, and the roller mechanism and arm inside were redesigned to have fewer parts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48919	From: Chris	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Diesel motor questions

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > 5.) I see that I cn have the entire motor and e-unit replaced with a > can motor and Dallee unit for $100, but that's twice what I paid for > the entire loco. Is it worth putting another $100 in a single-motor > diesel loco? (The shell is in repsectable conidition.) > Jim: It's the same question people ask about an old car. "Should I put a brake job into this old clunker with a million miles on it?" The answer is, "If you're going to keep driving it, yeah. It'd be nice to stop once in a while." It's not about the item itself, whether it's a car or a diesel locomotive. It's your use of it that means everything. Would you feel better about the hundred bucks if the guy who sold you the diesel stung you for a thousand? Well, gotta keep it running and get my money's worth, right? You are ahead of the game. A cheap but good looking shell, convered to trouble free operation makes you a genius in your motive power division! Check your envelope for a little something extra this week! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48920	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: READING RR MUSEUM

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48921	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: S Scale Baseball Players

As I near the completion of S Helper Field, I copied a picture of the S scale "painted" version of the ball players from a Parts website. I notice that many of the players are on a "base", not a baseball base, so that they may stand up. However, they are baseball field incorrect. The umpire, batter, catcher, runner on base, infielders, and pitcher are painted incorrect. they have green bases to stand on. I will have to correct this error, by painting that part of the players brown and the pitcher, a combination of brown and white. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48922	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: stick link couplers

How is Lynne doing?? Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48923	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: AF 316 and 342

You took two engines apart? not very bright. I think it is in the K-line book. Which I can not find mine. _____________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48924	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale Baseball Players

Or cut the stand off and just glue them in place. jfred MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: As I near the completion of S Helper Field, I copied a picture of the S scale "painted" version of the ball players from a Parts website. I notice that many of the players are on a "base", not a baseball base, so that they may stand up. However, they are baseball field incorrect. The umpire, batter, catcher, runner on base, infielders, and pitcher are painted incorrect. they have green bases to stand on. I will have to correct this error, by painting that part of the players brown and the pitcher, a combination of brown and white. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48925	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale Baseball Players

Thanks, as I thought of that too. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: JFrederick Roberts To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Scale Baseball Players Or cut the stand off and just glue them in place. jfred MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: As I near the completion of S Helper Field, I copied a picture of the S scale "painted" version of the ball players from a Parts website. I notice that many of the players are on a "base", not a baseball base, so that they may stand up. However, they are baseball field incorrect. The umpire, batter, catcher, runner on base, infielders, and pitcher are painted incorrect. they have green bases to stand on. I will have to correct this error, by painting that part of the players brown and the pitcher, a combination of brown and white. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48926	From: Scale S Only	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale Baseball Players

OR, if you are really abitious, cut off the bases, drill a hole up the leg for a wire, insert wire, and drill hole in the field to accept the wire.... Bill Winans Or cut the stand off and just glue them in place. jfred I notice that many of the players are on a "base", not a baseball base, so that they may stand up. However, they are baseball field incorrect. The umpire, batter, catcher, runner on base, infielders, and pitcher are painted incorrect. they have green bases to stand on. I will have to correct this error, by painting that part of the players brown and the pitcher, a combination of brown and white. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48927	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: A matter of preference

Collectors and some hard core Gilbert Flyer operators might disagree, but I believe in playing with my trains and having fun. (Maybe 2 heart attacks makes you more aware of life.) These things were made as TOYS and so they should they be, for we "adults" to play with today. If you are a collector who prefers your trains on shelves, or not displayed at all, that's fine. If you are a "Gilbert only" operator, that's great. However, for many of us running them the way we might have when we were children (well, maybe not that hard) is our enjoyment. When I was a child, my American Flyer trains were run a lot and I don't recall having any repairs done. Of course now, me and the trains are older and both need work fairly regularly. What's wrong with updating the innards? You can't see what's inside while they're running can you? And with can motors and electronic reverse units, they'll keep running! (I wish we could update people this easily, I'd be twenty five again!) So what you do with your trains comes down to a matter of personal preference. The bottom line is that you enjoy them! Life is too short not to take time to sit back, relax, and smell the ozone... Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48928	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: AF 316 and 342

Mine K-Line book was stolen . Took both apart to send to Doug for repairs, painted and stamped the shells while I was waiting. I got the exploded views from a lister a day or so after asking. Good thing the wheels and drivers were really nice, because if I hadn't marked them as "repainted tinplate", you wouldn't know. I have an almost new (they were new in the wrapper, un-opened, when I bought them) 343 and 326, put 'em alongside eachother, ever Donn Lowe couldn't tell. Thanks for your interest --- On Tue, 5/27/08, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 316 and 342 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2008, 9:36 PM You took two engines apart? not very bright. I think it is in the K-line book. Which I can not find mine. _____________________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48929	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Old Flyer Engines

I finally got back on Yahoo Groups and am getting digests again. Woo hoo! I run several SNS can motors with Dallee reverse units. I love them! If an engine is beyond my expertise on repair, I'll continue to convert them over. But there's nothing better in my mind than an all-AC Gilberrt toy train engine from the 40's and 50's chugging down the line. It still amazes me that products built way back then are still functioning like they should be after all that time. By the way, Steve, I picked up VW bus number 6, a 1963 EZ Camper. The Flyer engines are faster! Jacques near Ellensburg, WA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48930	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Test Armature and field

You need to get a Reference manual from BobHannon. This manual will tell you every thing you need to know about a A.F. motor. Jerry HR 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48931	From: biglou2_99	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: for sale

hi, i have a 21808 for $90 and a 494/495 for sale $300 email me at lglumac@... thanks........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48932	From: iradiatevb	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: New RTR freight cars from SSA...a review

Hi all. First let me start by saying this is a totally unsolicited viewpoint/review. I have wanted to purchase a set of cars ready to run from SSA. I have the former PRS covered ACF Centerflow hopper kits, so I bought a BN and an SP from SSA to compare to my kits with the same roadnames. The car numbers are different, no duplicating so that was a plus. The fit and finish are excellent, with the lettering being better IMHO than the kits. The "Southern Pacific" lettering on my SSA car is smaller. The lettering on the PRS kit was twice as large and really filled up the car side. I like the samller lettering on the SSA car much better, a cleaner look and crisper graphics. Roll quality is superb, wheels are some of the best I have seen. ( I run scale, but the hi-rail ones are also excellent ) The couplers for hirail operation seeem well made. I will be storing them to eventually sell or trade for scale wheels and couplers. There is little to be desired, but in fairness I will mention sone things in case anyone finds it useful. There is only one hole for the Kadee to be mounted. To use 2 screws one has to make another hole. I will use some SHS scale couplers and make my own holes for it due to my personal preference for those type of couplers. Also, the trucks are unsprung. I don't mind, after a shot of dullcote they are just fine by me. The only thing I did not do is weigh the car to see if it measures up to the weight standards for cars of this length for good operation. They seemed fine to me as is. Impression: A fantastic car, hard to put it any other way. Thanks to PRS for originally putting this line out there, Kudos to SSA for making it even better.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48933	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: A matter of preference

The grandchildren and assorted kids were here on Memorial Day. I've arranged as many buttons as possible so they can push them to their heart's content, including AF whistles. I also set out a couple of AF box cars for them to handle and I let the older ones play with the TMCC. It keeps me hustling but the day ended with no damage. My brother-in-law said afterward, "You sure were patient with those kids." Yep, run 'em, smell the smoke, and hope that a few youngsters fall in love with model trains. Dave in MD -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:04 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] A matter of preference Collectors and some hard core Gilbert Flyer operators might disagree, but I believe in playing with my trains and having fun. (Maybe 2 heart attacks makes you more aware of life.) These things were made as TOYS and so they should they be, for we "adults" to play with today. If you are a collector who prefers your trains on shelves, or not displayed at all, that's fine. If you are a "Gilbert only" operator, that's great. However, for many of us running them the way we might have when we were children (well, maybe not that hard) is our enjoyment. When I was a child, my American Flyer trains were run a lot and I don't recall having any repairs done. Of course now, me and the trains are older and both need work fairly regularly. What's wrong with updating the innards? You can't see what's inside while they're running can you? And with can motors and electronic reverse units, they'll keep running! (I wish we could update people this easily, I'd be twenty five again!) So what you do with your trains comes down to a matter of personal preference. The bottom line is that you enjoy them! Life is too short not to take time to sit back, relax, and smell the ozone... Stumpy in Appalachia ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1464 - Release Date: 5/24/2008 8:56 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1464 - Release Date: 5/24/2008 8:56 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48934	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: A matter of preference

Amen, Stumpy. ACG would be doing these retrofits if still alive, you can be sure of that. Steve SnS In a message dated 05/28/2008 10:00:16 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Collectors and some hard core Gilbert Flyer operators might disagree, but I believe in playing with my trains and having fun. (Maybe 2 heart attacks makes you more aware of life.) These things were made as TOYS and so they should they be, for we "adults" to play with today. If you are a collector who prefers your trains on shelves, or not displayed at all, that's fine. If you are a "Gilbert only" operator, that's great. However, for many of us running them the way we might have when we were children (well, maybe not that hard) is our enjoyment. When I was a child, my American Flyer trains were run a lot and I don't recall having any repairs done. Of course now, me and the trains are older and both need work fairly regularly. What's wrong with updating the innards? You can't see what's inside while they're running can you? And with can motors and electronic reverse units, they'll keep running! (I wish we could update people this easily, I'd be twenty five again!) So what you do with your trains comes down to a matter of personal preference. The bottom line is that you enjoy them! Life is too short not to take time to sit back, relax, and smell the ozone... Stumpy in Appalachia **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48935	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Operating problems with old AF.....

"I have no interest in DCC" Well,,, that's good. Keep the blinders firmly in place, wouldn't want you to discover a whole new world that you obviously are not prepared to experience. Cheers Phil D, operating in glorious DCC total control, total sound, total enjoyment in Texas --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben and Lynn Stiles" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > Stumpy and all: > > I recently bought seven can motors to convert some of my old stuff. I only have a few with sticky e-units that cannot seem to be remedied, and "if it ain't broke," I try not to have to fix it. I have enough projects already. > > Lynn's uncle went with DC way back when...with the DC magnets and stock AF motors. For my nephews' layout (ages 3 and 5!) I am going to convert to DC so they have an easier time with it. > > I only wish I had gone this route earlier as I have several AM locos with sound. I am not huge on sound anyway, but they were bought (at extra cost), AC hi-rail with sound. Had it not been for that error, I would go straight DC. I am going to have a switch to change over on each main line, being careful to NOT run an aM hi-rail on DC. That will blow the whole shebang! > > I have no interest in DCC. > > To all the operators out there...do whatever makes your toy train adventure fun for you. > > Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48936	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC.... REAL TRAINS

Well Guys and Gals..... I finally got my chance to get my mitts on a real Diesel..... This one is a small Switch engine and its located in Clay, WV... While there is still 18+- miles of track, with a few bad spots the engine and 2 cabooses are limited to about 1500 feet of track right now.... Its the Buffalo, Creek and Gauley Railroad from Dundon to Widen. ( The Speeder goes up to 8 miles to Cressmont now) (And its a great ride... let me know if any want to go).... And remember Stover has an "S" layout based on this Road....Don will have B,C&G hoppers soon. I met with Roger Nutter, a really nice guy, and after a quick instruction on brakes, throttle, etc. and startup ( we let it set for a while to build up air pressure) I sat down in the seat. I moved the gear selector from Neutral to Forward and advanced the throttle to rev up the engine...... IT STARTED MOVING !!!!! But after about 10' with the wet rails my wheels started to slip ( The loco is rated for 10 cars max).... Throttle down, reverse.... throttle up and back 10' and wheel slip again. So I asked Roger about UN coupling the 2 cabooses to lighten the load..... Fine "See the 2 knobs in front of the throttle.... Left is the front coupler and the right is the rear". I pulled it up and advanced the throttle again, less my 2 cars now, but after about 20' the wheels slipped again. Roger told me to put it in neutral and he got off and I think threw some dirt on the rails. Then he told me to try again.... I am in there alone!!!! I let off the brakes and moved the throttle forward agai n....It started moving and he yelled "Keep it moving while he ran to catch up to the loco ladder..... we made several trips up and down the track.... Its a blast... No PUN intended.... You can't see anything from the Engineers seat to the left side because of the front housing. To the rear GREAT.... Lots of glass.... I took it back down to the 2 cabooses and very gently closed the knuckles.... shifted to forward and away I went.... DUH.... NO CARS... Seems you have to kinda hit the knuckles a little harder..... Down went the pins and away I went with my load... Great.... But backing up!!!!! All I could see was that BIG CABOOSE 2 feet away.... So I slowly backed back down the track, with fingers crossed, till I got back even with his truck setting by the track... Now to go out west for the course in Steam and Deisel in Nevada.... Soon I hope.... Been a wild time since York.... Flying Sailplanes, Got to work with Dave Osbourne, One of the best, in his glass factory blowing glass, now this.... WOW !!!!!!! Now if I could just find some AF Trains...... Wonder what room to look into????......Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48937	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC.... REAL TRAINS

Was it this one - - http://www.msnusers.com/BuffaloCreekandGauleyrailroadBCGSteam/dundonmode\ rnday.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=126 <http://www.msnusers.com/BuffaloCreekandGauleyrailroadBCGSteam/dundonmod\ ernday.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=126> ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48938	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Operating problems with old AF.....

Will do, Phil. Blinders are OK with me. I do not want a computer chip to run every part of my life. I want to relax and go "old school" now and then. I think you very much miss the common thread that this hobby is an individual thing and every one should enjoy it their way with no regrets. I have none. Seems like you might. Enjoy your sound effects. None of them sound real because they aren't real. The chuggers in original AF equipment gave just enough sound to let imaginations run wild. For small children of years gone by (and for those of use now who still have imaginations), that was enough. There is room for technology elsewhere. I don't want it in all of my trains. I like to live a little... Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48939	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC.... REAL TRAINS

YES.... Thats the engine..... you should also have the pics of the 2 cabooses.... I haven't gotten my pics yet.... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...>: -------------- Was it this one - - http://www.msnusers.com/BuffaloCreekandGauleyrailroadBCGSteam/dundonmode\ rnday.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=126 <http://www.msnusers.com/BuffaloCreekandGauleyrailroadBCGSteam/dundonmod\ ernday.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=126> ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48940	From: piccu56	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Operating problems with old AF.....

Thats about the most condescending thing I've seen posted on here. If he doesn't want to invest in the DCC junk thats his perogative. Just because you like it, doesn't mean everyone else has to have it. RUDE!! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote: > > "I have no interest in DCC" > > Well,,, that's good. Keep the blinders firmly in place, wouldn't > want you to discover a whole new world that you obviously are not > prepared to experience. > > Cheers > > Phil D, operating in glorious DCC total control, total sound, total > enjoyment in Texas > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben and Lynn Stiles" <lbstiles@> > wrote: > > > > Stumpy and all: > > > > I recently bought seven can motors to convert some of my old stuff. > I only have a few with sticky e-units that cannot seem to be > remedied, and "if it ain't broke," I try not to have to fix it. I > have enough projects already. > > > > Lynn's uncle went with DC way back when...with the DC magnets and > stock AF motors. For my nephews' layout (ages 3 and 5!) I am going to > convert to DC so they have an easier time with it. > > > > I only wish I had gone this route earlier as I have several AM > locos with sound. I am not huge on sound anyway, but they were bought > (at extra cost), AC hi-rail with sound. Had it not been for that > error, I would go straight DC. I am going to have a switch to change > over on each main line, being careful to NOT run an aM hi-rail on DC. > That will blow the whole shebang! > > > > I have no interest in DCC. > > > > To all the operators out there...do whatever makes your toy train > adventure fun for you. > > > > Ben > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48941	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Chug-Chug

> > Enjoy your sound effects. None of them sound real because they > aren't real. The chuggers in original AF equipment gave just enough > sound to let imaginations run wild. That's all the sound I need! :^) Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48942	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC.... REAL TRAINS

BOB - cool pic! have you rode the ole girl yet? Looks like a real WVA Hoot! Jerry M rcon7@... wrote: YES.... Thats the engine..... you should also have the pics of the 2 cabooses.... I haven't gotten my pics yet.... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...>: -------------- Was it this one - - http://www.msnusers.com/BuffaloCreekandGauleyrailroadBCGSteam/dundonmode\ rnday.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=126 <http://www.msnusers.com/BuffaloCreekandGauleyrailroadBCGSteam/dundonmod\ ernday.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=126> ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48943	From: biglou2_99	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: for sale

HI, lots of track for sale, 30B transformers $150 each, 18B $75 15B $35 each contact me at lglumac@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48944	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: S Helper Field

S Helper Field, the infield on my pop up on the train board is just about done. All I need now is the plastic white strips I am ordering from Evergreen scale models for the foul lines and batter's box. I know every dimension of a baseball field there is. LOL For those on the TCA site, O gaugers, S Helper Field is for S Helper Service. I will post some pictures in my photo album. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48945	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: S Helper Field Photo

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=57&m=t&o=0 S Helper Field Photo with homeplate. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48946	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Pitching Mound

I forgot to mention that the pitching mound is 10" high in S. LOL I took three small nails where the pitching plate is to be, as the plate is 24" x 6". I took clay and made the mound, covering the nails. Then the mound was painted. I now have to make the bases, marked by nails, which are 15" x 15". I can do that with some wood. Homeplate is made from paper and is flat of course. By the way, from homeplate to second is 127 ft and 6 inches. From the pitching plate to the edge of the infield along the outfield is 95 feet. And so on. I did not know that building a train layout would let me learn so much about the baseball field. I can now get a job with a grounds crew at any park. LOL And lets of not forget the engineering aspects of building a baseball field and other things. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48947	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field Photo

Very nice, Mike. Does that mean taking the diverging route will now be called bunting? Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:04 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper Field Photo http://ph.groups <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=57&m=t&o=0> yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=57&m=t&o=0 S Helper Field Photo with homeplate. Mike Marmer ,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48948	From: bcgsteam	Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC.... REAL TRAINS

Bob, Sounds like you had a GREAT time at my favorite WV shortline. I had a similar experience last summer although when I drove the diesel it was without any cars coupled on. We were able to ride the full 14 miles of remaining track in Roger's Nutters speeder...all the way to Bone Town Gap. Obviously, it was a thrill for me to actually see the railroad I've been modeling in "S" for 30 years! I would like to remind anyone who is interested that I have built a large website on the BC&G that includes a full photo and text documentation of the history of the railroad as well as photos of my "S" layout and another HO layout of the BC&G that is under construction. The site is www.buffalocreekandgauley.com. I'd love to hear from anyone who is building, or thinking of building, a layout based on the BC&G! Happy modeling! Brooks Stover --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rcon7@... wrote: > > Well Guys and Gals..... I finally got my chance to get my mitts on a real Diesel..... This one is a small Switch engine and its located in Clay, WV... While there is still 18+- miles of track, with a few bad spots the engine and 2 cabooses are limited to about 1500 feet of track right now.... Its the Buffalo, Creek and Gauley Railroad from Dundon to Widen. ( The Speeder goes up to 8 miles to Cressmont now) (And its a great ride... let me know if any want to go).... And remember Stover has an "S" layout based on this Road....Don will have B,C&G hoppers soon. > I met with Roger Nutter, a really nice guy, and after a quick instruction on brakes, throttle, etc. and startup ( we let it set for a while to build up air pressure) I sat down in the seat. I moved the gear selector from Neutral to Forward and advanced the throttle to rev up the engine...... IT STARTED MOVING !!!!! But after about 10' with the wet rails my wheels started to slip ( The loco is rated for 10 cars max).... Throttle down, reverse.... throttle up and back 10' and wheel slip again. So I asked Roger about UN coupling the 2 cabooses to lighten the load..... Fine "See the 2 knobs in front of the throttle.... Left is the front coupler and the right is the rear". I pulled it up and advanced the throttle again, less my 2 cars now, but after about 20' the wheels slipped again. Roger told me to put it in neutral and he got off and I think threw some dirt on the rails. Then he told me to try again.... I am in there alone!!!! I let off the brakes and moved the throttle forward agai > n....It started moving and he yelled "Keep it moving while he ran to catch up to the loco ladder..... we made several trips up and down the track.... Its a blast... No PUN intended.... You can't see anything from the Engineers seat to the left side because of the front housing. To the rear GREAT.... Lots of glass.... I took it back down to the 2 cabooses and very gently closed the knuckles.... shifted to forward and away I went.... DUH.... NO CARS... Seems you have to kinda hit the knuckles a little harder..... Down went the pins and away I went with my load... Great.... But backing up!!!!! All I could see was that BIG CABOOSE 2 feet away.... So I slowly backed back down the track, with fingers crossed, till I got back even with his truck setting by the track... Now to go out west for the course in Steam and Deisel in Nevada.... Soon I hope.... Been a wild time since York.... Flying Sailplanes, Got to work with Dave Osbourne, One of the best, in his glass factory blowing glass, now > this.... WOW !!!!!!! Now if I could just find some AF Trains...... Wonder what room to look into????......Bob Conner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48949	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: S Friendly Hobbyshops

I will be in the Austin, TX area 17-21 August. Can anyone recommend an S friendly shop in the area? Thanks in advance, Lynn Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48950	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: S Helper Field Photo

Thanks Bill. Left field is not complete yet. Now I need to get back to the ballast!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S Helper Field Photo Very nice, Mike. Does that mean taking the diverging route will now be called bunting? Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:04 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper Field Photo http://ph.groups <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=57&m=t&o=0> yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=57&m=t&o=0 S Helper Field Photo with homeplate. Mike Marmer ,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48951	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Fw: S Helper Infield

I just ordered my plastic strips for my ballpark on my layout. My RR is called the D&K RR as seen on www.classictrains.com after our two cats. Below is a story that will happen in the future, courtesy of a friend who can see into the future. Must be something in the water in Ohio. Mike Marmer BALL PLAYER SUES RAILROAD MANAGEMENT Germantown, MD (Reuters) - Agents for infielder Nathaniel "Bull" Flanders announced a lawsuit against the Dink & Kitty Railroad. Mr. Flanders, who has been on the disabled list of the Hagerstown Suns since May 5, seeks $10 million in damages for injuries incurred at "S" Helper Service Field earlier this month. The Suns swept the Dingburg Pinheads in the third game of a road trip. Pinheads management leases the facility, which is located adjacent to D&KRR right-of-way and is owned by the railroad. The suit alleges that D&KRR, which is responsible for facilities maintenance, marked the foul lines with slippery 1" think polypropylene bars instead of marking them with chalk per International Baseball League regulations. Flanders allegedly tripped on the plastic while sliding into first base after hitting a line drive to third base in the ninth inning of a scoreless game. Flanders, who stands 1.14" tall, tore a ligament in his left knee, which is molded of polystyrene. He had only recently been released from Germantown Methodist Hospital after surgery to remove an 0.4" x 0.6" rectangular base "which was painted a most unrealistic green color", according to team officials. The pinch runner who replaced Flanders scored on a double by Encino "mosquito" Ramirez and the Suns won, 1-0.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48952	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: ballasting

I was not happy with the width of how the ballast was going on my track. It was coming out 3/4" past the end of the ties. I really wanted to be 1/2" past the ties on each side. Ballasting the track with a eyedropper for the glue solution, the ballast seemed to fall "down" the roadbed, unless it was wider at the bottom. To solve this, I brushed on the glue solution on the roadbed side and then brushed ballast against it. That is working, holding the ballast up. So, I will let each section I do dry over night. Then I can shape the rest of the side and add glue solution on top of the roadbed. I am learning. O:)! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48953	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/1/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48954	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Paint to match Flyer Alco truck frames

Just wanted to share with the group a good match as a result of working on my latest project. I needed to convert a Flyonel B unit to look like original Flyer and came up with this solution. I bought an Erie B unit from Trainworld for $49.95, (excellent service by the way) with electronic horn but the truck frames were black. After several tries I found Testor's Model Master paint #1780 steel to be a very good match to original Flyer, works well for 960 passenger truck frames also. Some of you may have discovered this already, but for those like Stumpy and myself, always looking for ways to fix old or make something I need from whatever is available. Keep them chugging. Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48955	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: PRR Presentation

Hi All, I have uploaded a new PowerPoint presentation that can be downloaded from my page here http://www.lanestrains.com/S_Scale_Today.htm Please give it a look. It is 97 slides and 38 MB of "Modeling The Mighty PRR In S Scale Today". I have had a similar page on my website for years, but this is updated and includes many photos. If you do not have PowerPoint you can download the free PPT viewer from my page as well. I am giving the presentation this Saturday at the Phila Chapter PRR T & HS Modelers Meeting. http://www.prrths.com/Phila_Upcoming.htm If you are going to the meeting and can't wait to see the show, give it a download. Just bring your first piece of rolling stock that you are going to sell in your conversion movement to S Scale for show n tell. Otherwise if you are not going to the meeting, this is your chance to see the presentation. You can go if you live locally. Attendance is free but joining the chapter is encouraged. Finally, I have learned about making PowerPoint presentations the hard way. Make the photos smaller FIRST. I had to do this show twice. It originally ended up at 550 MB because I was using photos right from my camera at 4MB+. That is acceptable for a few slides, but this turned out to be a large show. My laptop was having some issues playing the original version. Replacing the photos with smaller files does NOT significantly reduce the PPT file size. It was not fun! FYI......... I hope to see some new faces at the Modelers Meeting on Saturday. Any questions, email me directly please. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: 5/31/2008 12:25 PM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48956	From: innotron	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Off Topic, big steam coming to San Diego

Hi, For those of you on the left coast, there will be an Amtrak train leaving from Union Station, LA at 7:45 am Sunday 06/01/08 to San Diego pulled by a Sante Fe 4-8-4 number 3751 Northern steam locomotive. It last pulled a train here in 1953 so it has been a while. Scheduled to pull into Old Town Station at 11:30am and Sante Fe Station, San Diego at 11:45am and depart at 2:30pm to arrive back at Union Station, LA at 6:30pm. Times are approximate. Here is a link, http://www.sbrhs.org/ Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48957	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: S Friendly Hobbyshops

Hi Lynn, We are not in Austin, but abot 70 miles south, on the north side of San Antonio. Lone Star Trains and Collectibles. We have a good amount of the old and the new. Clay Kinsner Lone Star Trains and Collectibles 210-655-4665 -----Original Message----- From: lynnshouse2000 [mailto:lynnshouse2000@...] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 04:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] S Friendly Hobbyshops I will be in the Austin, TX area 17-21 August. Can anyone recommend an S friendly shop in the area? Thanks in advance, Lynn Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48958	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Off Topic, big steam coming to San Diego

Here you go, Dennis. Maybe you can make it out there to see it. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: innotron To: S-Trains Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Off Topic, big steam coming to San Diego Hi, For those of you on the left coast, there will be an Amtrak train leaving from Union Station, LA at 7:45 am Sunday 06/01/08 to San Diego pulled by a Sante Fe 4-8-4 number 3751 Northern steam locomotive. It last pulled a train here in 1953 so it has been a while. Scheduled to pull into Old Town Station at 11:30am and Sante Fe Station, San Diego at 11:45am and depart at 2:30pm to arrive back at Union Station, LA at 6:30pm. Times are approximate. Here is a link, http://www.sbrhs.org/ Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48959	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: for sale

hi i have some cars for sale #956 w/load breakwheel missing $125 #983 catwalk chip, i door guide rusty $40 #985 catwalk chip $50 #982 nice one $100 #982 some rust, paint chip on the roof $40 #981 catwalk chip, rusty $25 #936 nice one $125 #924 $35 #947 nice one $40 #984 few paint chips $40 #958 w/box 24315 miss flap $50 #979 $100 #25052 $150 #24324 hooker $75 #930 i have a few $20 #24556 loads only $125, $150 for car with load load cars = $25 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "biglou2_99" <lglumac@...> HI, lots of track for sale, 30B transformers $150 each, 18B $75 15B $35 each contact me at lglumac@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48960	From: mcwb@juno.com	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: for sale

Dear Louis, I would like to purchase the following items: A) 981 $25 b) 985 $50 Let me know what the shipping charge will be. Thanks Bobby Bryan, Jr. ,Jonesborough, TN ____________________________________________________________ Click here for low prices on a huge selection of popcorn poppers! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iiesgNpEppgfDMYKSvhD0f8KUpFf7SGhXtPMGfxqkesipWksT/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48961	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/1/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 48962	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Real Train Trip

Stumpy, Just want to let you know the state motto "Almost Heaven", is quite true. Sandra and I spent the weekend up at Cass Scenic Railroad State Park. We rode the #6 Shay all the way up to Bald Knob. Stopped back down in old Spruce and could feel the history. It's a wonderful trip. We even saw a 44 tonner they are working on. I took some photos and will paste them later in the week in the gallery. Take care, Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48963	From: innotron	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Big Steam

Hi all, I have posted a photo of the Santa Fe 4-8-4 Northern rushing to San Diego just about 1 1/2 hours late. Can't have it arrive on time or regular Amtrak customers will demand more steam. The photo will be in Alex's Layout just in case the link doesn't work. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/e8aa?b=10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48964	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: for sale

thanks, shipping is $8, your total is $83,you can send check to LOUIS GLUMAC 115 TRUMAN DR. MONACA, PA 15061 thanks, you can check my feed back on ebay under flyer-lou. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "mcwb@..." <mcwb@...> Dear Louis, I would like to purchase the following items: A) 981 $25 b) 985 $50 Let me know what the shipping charge will be. Thanks Bobby Bryan, Jr. ,Jonesborough, TN __________________________________________________________ Click here for low prices on a huge selection of popcorn poppers! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iiesgNpEppgfDMYKSvhD0f8KUpFf7SGhXtPMGfxqkesipWksT/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48965	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: Big Steam

Cool! Wish I could have been there! --- On Sun, 6/1/08, innotron <innotron@...> wrote: > From: innotron <innotron@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Big Steam > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 2:16 PM > Hi all, > I have posted a photo of the Santa Fe 4-8-4 Northern > rushing to San Diego just about 1 1/2 hours late. Can't > have it arrive on time or regular Amtrak customers will > demand more steam. The photo will be in Alex's Layout > just in case the link doesn't work. > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/e8aa?b=10 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48966	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: FOR SALE 485/486

I have both Sante Fe units for sale, $200 for both but will seperate if someone needs one to make a set. email me for details and condition. lglumac@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48967	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Real Train Trip/Big Steam

In our little world of toy and model trains, it becomes easy to forget what trains are really like. If you haven't done so lately, try to get to some place that has REAL trains this summer. Ask any of those lucky enough to have recently been around real trains about how impressive they really are! I was fortunate enough to be around at the end of steam on the B&O and N&W. It began a life long love of steam locomotives both large and small. If you haven't been around steam, DO SO! A steam loco is a living machine! Stumpy Stone...back from two weekends of auto race announcing and ready to play with trains again!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48968	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Real Train Trip/Big Steam

On that note, I scanned through the latest copy of TRAINS at a newstand this past weekend and found out that not only does PA have more short and branch line RR's than any other state in the US, but the Reading and Northern (now in operation 25 yrs and doing well as an active freight line) tested their fully-refurbished 1928 Baldwin 4-6-2 #425 in December 2007 and is running excursions with it this year. She's a blue beauty - - reminds me of the AM B&O Pacific. Click here to see it in action on May 10, 2008 http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ywsngbt34jw&feature=related What a whistle! Looks as though one car is a full-length vista dome type. Here's a link to pics - - guess there's now 2 CNJ F3's in Jim Thorpe. I've been there and seen one. Pretty. Orange and blue never looked better together. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.railpictures.net/image\ s/d1/9/2/8/5928.1199451600.tb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.railpictures.net/\ showphotos.php%3Froad_number%3DRBMN%2520425&h=133&w=200&sz=13&hl=en&star\ t=5&tbnid=zMzZXyKQ_1DJUM:&tbnh=69&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3DReading%2B\ and%2BNorthern%2B4-6-2%2B%2523425%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4SUNA_en___US242%2\ 6sa%3DG <http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.railpictures.net/imag\ es/d1/9/2/8/5928.1199451600.tb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.railpictures.net\ /showphotos.php%3Froad_number%3DRBMN%2520425&h=133&w=200&sz=13&hl=en&sta\ rt=5&tbnid=zMzZXyKQ_1DJUM:&tbnh=69&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3DReading%2\ Band%2BNorthern%2B4-6-2%2B%2523425%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4SUNA_en___US242%\ 26sa%3DG> Perhaps one of you will be get to ride it soon - - here's the schedule - - http://www.readingnorthern.com/passenger.shtml <http://www.readingnorthern.com/passenger.shtml> About a 68 mile round trip on the train. http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4SUNA_en__\ _US242&q=port+clinton%2c+pa <http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4SUNA_en_\ __US242&q=port+clinton%2c+pa> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48969	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Help needed!

Several years back I was able to purchase "Stick On" Pea Lamps, which came 20 or 30 on a card. Any leads or help on this request is appreciated. Thank you Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48970	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: New RTR freight cars from SSA...a review

I am not familiar with SSA. How do I find them? are they online? ____________________________________________________________ Click here for great computer networking solutions! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oHgMXNvkyD87Txiwx8vUT5EcaMRfgOJ8g8DPdCEGsogk72L/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48971	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: FOR SALE

HI, #768 SHELL REFUELING STATION, some surface rust $75 #796 SAWMILL does not work, missing the man and button, your buying as is ,$75 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48972	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: Re: Real Train Trip/Big Steam

Thanks for the URl address. I watched several of the videos, for at least an hour. This brings back memories of my youth. I remember the Texans from the T&P, the early diesels that ran across the street from the KCS. Oh yes, I remember riding the MoP to go to St. Louis to see that Cardinals at old Sportsmans Park. I remember being where I didn't want to be and going out to watch the trains, longing to be on the next one headed out to take me to someplace new and exciting. It always seemed to me that each of these Engineers had his own special way of handling the whistle. They could really "talk" to you. And the beauty of the steam on a cold winter day. A. E. Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: sgaugian To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Real Train Trip/Big Steam On that note, I scanned through the latest copy of TRAINS at a newstand this past weekend and found out that not only does PA have more short and branch line RR's than any other state in the US, but the Reading and Northern (now in operation 25 yrs and doing well as an active freight line) tested their fully-refurbished 1928 Baldwin 4-6-2 #425 in December 2007 and is running excursions with it this year. She's a blue beauty - - reminds me of the AM B&O Pacific. Click here to see it in action on May 10, 2008 http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ywsngbt34jw&feature=related What a whistle! Looks as though one car is a full-length vista dome type. Here's a link to pics - - guess there's now 2 CNJ F3's in Jim Thorpe. I've been there and seen one. Pretty. Orange and blue never looked better together. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.railpictures.net/image\ s/d1/9/2/8/5928.1199451600.tb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.railpictures.net/\ showphotos.php%3Froad_number%3DRBMN%2520425&h=133&w=200&sz=13&hl=en&star\ t=5&tbnid=zMzZXyKQ_1DJUM:&tbnh=69&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3DReading%2B\ and%2BNorthern%2B4-6-2%2B%2523425%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4SUNA_en___US242%2\ 6sa%3DG <http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.railpictures.net/imag\ es/d1/9/2/8/5928.1199451600.tb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.railpictures.net\ /showphotos.php%3Froad_number%3DRBMN%2520425&h=133&w=200&sz=13&hl=en&sta\ rt=5&tbnid=zMzZXyKQ_1DJUM:&tbnh=69&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3DReading%2\ Band%2BNorthern%2B4-6-2%2B%2523425%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4SUNA_en___US242%\ 26sa%3DG> Perhaps one of you will be get to ride it soon - - here's the schedule - - http://www.readingnorthern.com/passenger.shtml <http://www.readingnorthern.com/passenger.shtml> About a 68 mile round trip on the train. http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4SUNA_en__\ _US242&q=port+clinton%2c+pa <http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4SUNA_en_\ __US242&q=port+clinton%2c+pa> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48973	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention

3 June 2008 - NASG 2008 National Convention Update To: All interested parties From: NASG 2008 National Convention Committee We're now just about 60 days away from the start of the 2008 NASG National Convention in Lowell, MA (Aug 5-10). The 2008 Convention Committee is really enthused about the strong interest in the convention and its activities, the time it will provide to visit with many old friends and make new ones, and also by the many opportunities that Lowell as a venue has to offer. For this issue of our Convention Update, we have prepared a Convention Planning Special Issue that we hope will assist you with any pre-planning for your Convention attendance. This issue is filled with information and tips about the convention, activities in Lowell during convention week (both convention-planned and other independent activities), dining opportunities and many other items we hope will enhance your visit to Lowell. The Convention Planning Special Issue can be found at: http://www.nasg2008.com/june3news We're continuing to work with all our convention suppliers to meet demand -- Convention hotel rooms are still available at the Convention rate, and we have added tour capacity so that most tours still have space available (more details on tours in the Newsletter). If you are making reservations at the DoubleTree Hotel by phone and the reservations agent indicates lack of hotel availability, please call the hotel directly at 978-452-1200, and ask for INTERNAL RESERVATIONS and they should be able to help you. If you still have trouble, please feel free to email us (wm @ nasg2008.com) and we'll assist. If you have not yet decided on coming to the 2008 Convention in Lowell, you might want to peruse this special issue of our newsletter to see many of the opportunities available at the convention. Full convention details, registration forms, etc. are on our web site at: http://www.nasg2008.com Please feel free to email or otherwise contact us if you have questions. On behalf of the 2008 Convention Committee and the Bristol S Gauge Railroaders we look forward to welcoming you to Lowell in August. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Promotions Chair NASG 2008 National Convention, Aug 5-10, 2008, Lowell, MA National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg2008.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48974	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention

two questions. Can one join NASG? HOW? What is this compared to what is sceduled for Milwaukee in November? okay three questions. ____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ni7fHoU5bK4nsabyZT5iHBUMAB73JUb8R7WaJbTP6ysQZvl/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48975	From: Joe Haenn	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Real Train Trip/Big Steam

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > On that note, I scanned through the latest copy of TRAINS at a newstand > this past weekend and found out that not only does PA have more short > and branch line RR's than any other state in the US, but the Reading > and Northern (now in operation 25 yrs and doing well as an active > freight line) tested their fully-refurbished 1928 Baldwin 4-6-2 #425 in > December 2007 and is running excursions with it this year. She's a > blue beauty - - reminds me of the AM B&O Pacific. Click here to see it in action on May 10, 2008 > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ywsngbt34jw&feature=related > > What a > whistle! Looks as though one car is a full-length vista dome type. > Here's a link to pics - - guess there's now 2 CNJ F3's in > Jim Thorpe. I've been there and seen one. Pretty. Orange and blue > never looked better together. Thanks for the links. I just finished reading those two articles. Great reads. I am trying to get as much background as possible for when I build my ficitious Reading & Eastern, and the Reading & Northern (as well as the other PA shortlines) give me a lot of ideas. Joe > > http://images.google.com/imgres? imgurl=http://www.railpictures.net/image\ > s/d1/9/2/8/5928.1199451600.tb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.railpictures.ne t/\ > showphotos.php%3Froad_number%3DRBMN% 2520425&h=133&w=200&sz=13&hl=en&star\ > t=5&tbnid=zMzZXyKQ_1DJUM:&tbnh=69&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq% 3DReading%2B\ > and%2BNorthern%2B4-6-2%2B%2523425%26hl%3Den%26rlz% 3D1T4SUNA_en___US242%2\ > 6sa%3DG > <http://images.google.com/imgres? imgurl=http://www.railpictures.net/imag\ > es/d1/9/2/8/5928.1199451600.tb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.railpictures.n et\ > /showphotos.php%3Froad_number%3DRBMN% 2520425&h=133&w=200&sz=13&hl=en&sta\ > rt=5&tbnid=zMzZXyKQ_1DJUM:&tbnh=69&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq% 3DReading%2\ > Band%2BNorthern%2B4-6-2%2B%2523425%26hl%3Den%26rlz% 3D1T4SUNA_en___US242%\ > 26sa%3DG> Perhaps one of you will be get to ride it soon - - here's > the schedule - - http://www.readingnorthern.com/passenger.shtml > <http://www.readingnorthern.com/passenger.shtml> About a 68 mile > round trip on the train. > http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF- 8&rlz=1T4SUNA_en__\ > _US242&q=port+clinton%2c+pa > <http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF- 8&rlz=1T4SUNA_en_\ > __US242&q=port+clinton%2c+pa> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48976	From: Bradley	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Real Trains/Big Steam

Last weekend the Sante Fe 3751 ran out in California. A buddy of mine got called to work as an engineer on the run. After 30 years in the mechanical dept of UP working on diesels this stuff still gives me goosebumps when they go by like in this video. Now if I could just get the old AF Northern to sound like this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NteBiOrN4nM Bradley Eggeman belairchevy@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48977	From: Glenn	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention

Yes, one can join. http://www.nasg.org/joining_1.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <n9guy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention > two questions. > > Can one join NASG? > HOW? > > What is this compared to what is sceduled for Milwaukee > in November? > > okay three questions. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48978	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: FOR SALE 485/486

Lou, Please indicate details & condition-pix if possible. pete ----- Original Message ----- From: lglumac@... Date: Monday, June 2, 2008 4:44 pm Subject: [S-Trains] FOR SALE 485/486 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > I have both Sante Fe units for sale, $200 for both but will > seperate if someone needs one to make a set. email me for > details and condition. lglumac@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48979	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more

I am helping a lady sell her late father's collection on behalf of her mother.  They are almost certain that none of the cars on the following list have ever been out of the box.  The whole collection has been kept in an air conditioned outbuilding with a dehumidifier.  I show 2008 Greenberg book values in the list below.  There is also a lot of used Gilbert Flyer equipment in the collection.  She's working on the list and pictures of those.  Stay tuned! She's in no rush to sell so you can buy things in batches over the coming months.   If you want any of these cars or engines, email me an offer of price and the date you want to buy each item. Right now, she's out of town for two weeks, so I will be accepting offers on these cars through June 14.  On June 15, I will begin notifying high bidders and confirm details of payment and delivery schedule.  I'll send the winning offers to her when she returns home June 18.   First, the two NASG Convention cars: 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car; 2008 Greenberg book value $245.00 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car  $145.00   Now the complete list: 4-8651 santa fe GP-20 diesel engine 8551  $210.00 4-9004 southern flat car with vans  $37.00 4-9100 gulf tank car  $55.00 4-9101 union oil tank car  $35.00 4-9101 union oil tank car  $35.00 4-9200 chessie hopper car  $46.00 4-9207 b+o covered hopper  $25.00 4-9208 ATSF covered hopper  $24.00 4-9209 new york central hopper car  $27.00 4-9209 new york central hopper car  $27.00 4-9300 burlington northern gondola  $22.00 4-9304 new york central gondola+canisters  $22.00 4-9400 chessie systen caboose  $28.00 4-9400 chessie systen caboose  $28.00 4-9404 new york central bay window caboose  $32.00 4-9405 santa fe bay window car  $36.00 4-9701 rock box car  $26.00 4-9701 rock box car  $26.00 4-9701 rock box car  $26.00 4-9706 new york central box car  $80.00 4-9707 rail box car  $49.00 4-9709 B+O box car  $29.00 4-9710 AT&SF box car  $30.00 4-9711 southern pacific box car  $28.00 4-9712 illinois central gulf  $31.00 4-9713 new york central box car  $36.00 4-9713 new york central box car  $36.00 6-48005 pennsylvania GP-9 diesel loco  $190.00 6-48013 conrail GP-7diesel engine  $230.00 6-48014 northern pacific GP-9 diesel engine  $240.00 6-48017 nickel plate road diesel loco set  $255.00 6-48301 denver and rio grand box car  $35.00 6-48302 canadain pacific box car  $34.00 6-48303 chessie box car  $38.00 6-48304 burlington northern box car  $41.00 6-48306 seaboard coast line box car  $34.00 6-48307 western pacific box car  $34.00 6-48316 bangor+aroostook refigerator car  $38.00 6-48317 rath packing refigerator car  $37.00 6-48318 AC gilbert box car  $47.00 6-48320 nickel plate road box car  $34.00 6-48322 new haven box car  $38.00 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann  $43.00 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann  $43.00 6-48327 1997 AF christmas car  $44.00 6-48328 900-197 great northern RY box car  $40.00 6-48330 pennsylvania rail road box car  $38.00 6-48332 missouri-kansas-texas box car  $31.00 6-48333 bangor+aroostook box car  $38.00 6-48334 seaboard box car  $25.00 6-48340 2000 AF christmas box car  $70.00 6-48342 2001 AF christmas box car  $55.00 6-48343 AF great northern box car  $50.00 6-48346 2002 AF christmas box car  $47.00 6-48348 northern pacific box car  $55.00 6-48349 disney goofy box car  $47.00 6-48351 disney donald and daisy box car  $41.00 6-48353 2003 AF christmas boxcar  $50.00 6-48356 disney pluto box car  $42.00 6-48357 disney winnie the pooh box car  $43.00 6-48403 british columbia tank car  $85.00 6-48404 US ARMY tank car  $36.00 6-48406 celanese chemicals tank car  $37.00 6-48408 625 sunoco single dome tank car  $38.00 6-48413 diamond chemicals single dome tank car  $38.00 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car  $245.00 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car  $145.00 6-48514 1046 gilbert intermodel TTux SET  $60.00 6-48515 new haven flatcar with girder load  $50.00 6-48516 627 southern pacific searchlight car  $47.00 6-48524 AF bordens flat car  $50.00 6-48525 AF burlington gondola  $48.00 6-48525 AF burlington gondola  $48.00 6-48529 new york central flat car with wheel load  $48.00 6-48602 erie covered hopper  $28.00 6-48605 burlington northern covered hopper  $30.00 6-48609 deleware + hudson covered hopper  $29.00 6-48610 nickel plate road covered hopper  $31.00 6-48611 cargill 3 bay covered hopper  $37.00 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper  $38.00 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper  $38.00 6-48619 AF u.p. hopper  $47.00 6-48621 canadian national coverd hopper  $41.00 6-48701 illinois central caboose  $31.00 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose  $38.00 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose  $38.00 6-48710 conrail bay window caboose  $33.00 6-48711 northern pacific bay window car  $40.00 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose  $44.00 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose  $44.00 6-48714 990 southern pacific caboose  $43.00 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF  $70.00 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF  $70.00 6-48801 union pacific reefer  $29.00 6-48806 railway express agency refigerator car  $32.00 6-48807 nickel plate road refigerator car  $30.00 6-48933 missouri pacific dining car  $70.00 6-48934 northern pacific dining car  $70.00 6-48994 set of four AT&SF streamliner cars  $260                    6-48945 995 AT&SF railway concho dining car                     6-48946 996 AT&SF railway acoma coach                    6-48947 998 AT&SF railway vista canyon observation car                    6-48948 997 AT&SF railway navajo vista dome car 6-49011 union pacific moe & joe operating lumber car  $65.00 6-49016 santa fe walking brakeman car  $60.00 6-49805 gabe the lamplighter  $120.00 6-49807 752 seaboard coaler  $180.00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48980	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Box question

I recently got a Franklin engine and passenger cars from a friend. From the shop junk box, I got most of a loco and the body of the box car with the grills. When finished, I like to put even my kit bashed cars in repro boxes to keep the dust off. The Franklin stuff is more the size of O scale narrow gauge than S scale. Will the cars fit in regular car boxes? Red and white boxes? Or was the Franklin era stuff only in set boxes? Inquiring and demented mind wants to know. Stumpy Stone....in rainy Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48981	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Box question

STUMPY.... Most came in set boxes with the insert.... some came in plain white boxes, some came in a picture type box.... these were in boxed sets like Truscott, etc.... never saw any in red and white boxes.... but they were selling toys !!!! Bob -------------- Original message from "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...>: -------------- I recently got a Franklin engine and passenger cars from a friend. From the shop junk box, I got most of a loco and the body of the box car with the grills. When finished, I like to put even my kit bashed cars in repro boxes to keep the dust off. The Franklin stuff is more the size of O scale narrow gauge than S scale. Will the cars fit in regular car boxes? Red and white boxes? Or was the Franklin era stuff only in set boxes? Inquiring and demented mind wants to know. Stumpy Stone....in rainy Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48982	From: Edward G.	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more

Doesnt seem to be any Bargains here ..all the prices are high book prices and most of this can be bought at auction cheaper by bidding....guess you are right she is prepared to wait and in no hurry .. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I am helping a lady sell her late father's collection on behalf of her mother.  They are almost certain that none of the cars on the following list have ever been out of the box.  The whole collection has been kept in an air conditioned outbuilding with a dehumidifier.  I show 2008 Greenberg book values in the list below.  > > There is also a lot of used Gilbert Flyer equipment in the collection.  She's working on the list and pictures of those.  Stay tuned! > > She's in no rush to sell so you can buy things in batches over the coming months. >   > If you want any of these cars or engines, email me an offer of price and the date you want to buy each item. Right now, she's out of town for two weeks, so I will be accepting offers on these cars through June 14.  On June 15, I will begin notifying high bidders and confirm details of payment and delivery schedule.  I'll send the winning offers to her when she returns home June 18. >   > First, the two NASG Convention cars: > 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car; 2008 Greenberg book value $245.00 > 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car  $145.00 >   > Now the complete list: > > 4-8651 santa fe GP-20 diesel engine 8551  $210.00 > 4-9004 southern flat car with vans  $37.00 > 4-9100 gulf tank car  $55.00 > 4-9101 union oil tank car  $35.00 > 4-9101 union oil tank car  $35.00 > 4-9200 chessie hopper car  $46.00 > 4-9207 b+o covered hopper  $25.00 > 4-9208 ATSF covered hopper  $24.00 > 4-9209 new york central hopper car  $27.00 > 4-9209 new york central hopper car  $27.00 > 4-9300 burlington northern gondola  $22.00 > 4-9304 new york central gondola+canisters  $22.00 > 4-9400 chessie systen caboose  $28.00 > 4-9400 chessie systen caboose  $28.00 > 4-9404 new york central bay window caboose  $32.00 > 4-9405 santa fe bay window car  $36.00 > 4-9701 rock box car  $26.00 > 4-9701 rock box car  $26.00 > 4-9701 rock box car  $26.00 > 4-9706 new york central box car  $80.00 > 4-9707 rail box car  $49.00 > 4-9709 B+O box car  $29.00 > 4-9710 AT&SF box car  $30.00 > 4-9711 southern pacific box car  $28.00 > 4-9712 illinois central gulf  $31.00 > 4-9713 new york central box car  $36.00 > 4-9713 new york central box car  $36.00 > 6-48005 pennsylvania GP-9 diesel loco  $190.00 > 6-48013 conrail GP-7diesel engine  $230.00 > 6-48014 northern pacific GP-9 diesel engine  $240.00 > 6-48017 nickel plate road diesel loco set  $255.00 > 6-48301 denver and rio grand box car  $35.00 > 6-48302 canadain pacific box car  $34.00 > 6-48303 chessie box car  $38.00 > 6-48304 burlington northern box car  $41.00 > 6-48306 seaboard coast line box car  $34.00 > 6-48307 western pacific box car  $34.00 > 6-48316 bangor+aroostook refigerator car  $38.00 > 6-48317 rath packing refigerator car  $37.00 > 6-48318 AC gilbert box car  $47.00 > 6-48320 nickel plate road box car  $34.00 > 6-48322 new haven box car  $38.00 > 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann  $43.00 > 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann  $43.00 > 6-48327 1997 AF christmas car  $44.00 > 6-48328 900-197 great northern RY box car  $40.00 > 6-48330 pennsylvania rail road box car  $38.00 > 6-48332 missouri-kansas-texas box car  $31.00 > 6-48333 bangor+aroostook box car  $38.00 > 6-48334 seaboard box car  $25.00 > 6-48340 2000 AF christmas box car  $70.00 > 6-48342 2001 AF christmas box car  $55.00 > 6-48343 AF great northern box car  $50.00 > 6-48346 2002 AF christmas box car  $47.00 > 6-48348 northern pacific box car  $55.00 > 6-48349 disney goofy box car  $47.00 > 6-48351 disney donald and daisy box car  $41.00 > 6-48353 2003 AF christmas boxcar  $50.00 > 6-48356 disney pluto box car  $42.00 > 6-48357 disney winnie the pooh box car  $43.00 > 6-48403 british columbia tank car  $85.00 > 6-48404 US ARMY tank car  $36.00 > 6-48406 celanese chemicals tank car  $37.00 > 6-48408 625 sunoco single dome tank car  $38.00 > 6-48413 diamond chemicals single dome tank car  $38.00 > 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car  $245.00 > 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car  $145.00 > 6-48514 1046 gilbert intermodel TTux SET  $60.00 > 6-48515 new haven flatcar with girder load  $50.00 > 6-48516 627 southern pacific searchlight car  $47.00 > 6-48524 AF bordens flat car  $50.00 > 6-48525 AF burlington gondola  $48.00 > 6-48525 AF burlington gondola  $48.00 > 6-48529 new york central flat car with wheel load  $48.00 > 6-48602 erie covered hopper  $28.00 > 6-48605 burlington northern covered hopper  $30.00 > 6-48609 deleware + hudson covered hopper  $29.00 > 6-48610 nickel plate road covered hopper  $31.00 > 6-48611 cargill 3 bay covered hopper  $37.00 > 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper  $38.00 > 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper  $38.00 > 6-48619 AF u.p. hopper  $47.00 > 6-48621 canadian national coverd hopper  $41.00 > 6-48701 illinois central caboose  $31.00 > 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose  $38.00 > 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose  $38.00 > 6-48710 conrail bay window caboose  $33.00 > 6-48711 northern pacific bay window car  $40.00 > 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose  $44.00 > 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose  $44.00 > 6-48714 990 southern pacific caboose  $43.00 > 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF  $70.00 > 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF  $70.00 > 6-48801 union pacific reefer  $29.00 > 6-48806 railway express agency refigerator car  $32.00 > 6-48807 nickel plate road refigerator car  $30.00 > 6-48933 missouri pacific dining car  $70.00 > 6-48934 northern pacific dining car  $70.00 > 6-48994 set of four AT&SF streamliner cars  $260 >            &nbs p;       6-48945 995 AT&SF railway concho dining car  >            &nbs p;       6-48946 996 AT&SF railway acoma coach >            &nbs p;       6-48947 998 AT&SF railway vista canyon observation car >            &nbs p;       6-48948 997 AT&SF railway navajo vista dome car > 6-49011 union pacific moe & joe operating lumber car  $65.00 > 6-49016 santa fe walking brakeman car  $60.00 > 6-49805 gabe the lamplighter  $120.00 > 6-49807 752 seaboard coaler  $180.00 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48983	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more

Please reread my message: these are not asking prices. They are exactly as you say: 2008 Greenberg book values for C-10 items.  She assures me all are in fact C-10 and have never been out of the box.   You can make any offer that you think is reasonable, but make sure it reflects how badly you want to be high bidder.   Bob --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Edward G. <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward G. <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 11:33 AM Doesnt seem to be any Bargains here ..all the prices are high book prices and most of this can be bought at auction cheaper by bidding....guess you are right she is prepared to wait and in no hurry .. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ ...> wrote: > > I am helping a lady sell her late father's collection on behalf of her mother.&nbsp; They are almost certain that none of the cars on the following list have ever been out of the box.&nbsp; The whole collection has been kept in an air conditioned outbuilding with a dehumidifier. &nbsp; I show 2008 Greenberg book values in the list below.&nbsp; > > There is also a lot of used Gilbert Flyer equipment in the collection.& nbsp; She's working on the list and pictures of those.&nbsp; Stay tuned! > > She's in no rush to sell so you can buy things in batches over the coming months. > &nbsp; > If you want any of these cars or engines, email me an offer of price and the date you want to buy each item. Right now, she's out of town for two weeks, so I will be accepting offers on these cars through June 14.&nbsp; On June 15, I will begin notifying high bidders and confirm details of payment and delivery schedule.&nbsp; I'll send the winning offers to her when she returns home June 18. > &nbsp; > First, the two NASG Convention cars: > 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car; 2008 Greenberg book value&nbsp;$ 245.00 > 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car&nbsp; $145.00 > &nbsp; > Now the complete list: > > 4-8651 santa fe GP-20 diesel engine 8551&nbsp; $210.00 > 4-9004 southern flat car with vans&nbsp; $37.00 > 4-9100 gulf tank car&nbsp; $55.00 > 4-9101 union oil tank car&nbsp; $35.00 > 4-9101 union oil tank car&nbsp; $35.00 > 4-9200 chessie hopper car&nbsp; $46.00 > 4-9207 b+o covered hopper&nbsp; $25.00 > 4-9208 ATSF covered hopper&nbsp; $24.00 > 4-9209 new york central hopper car&nbsp; $27.00 > 4-9209 new york central hopper car&nbsp; $27.00 > 4-9300 burlington northern gondola&nbsp; $22.00 > 4-9304 new york central gondola+canisters& nbsp; $22.00 > 4-9400 chessie systen caboose&nbsp; $28.00 > 4-9400 chessie systen caboose&nbsp; $28.00 > 4-9404 new york central bay window caboose&nbsp; $32.00 > 4-9405 santa fe bay window car&nbsp; $36.00 > 4-9701 rock box car&nbsp; $26.00 > 4-9701 rock box car&nbsp; $26.00 > 4-9701 rock box car&nbsp; $26.00 > 4-9706 new york central box car&nbsp; $80.00 > 4-9707 rail box car&nbsp; $49.00 > 4-9709 B+O box car&nbsp; $29.00 > 4-9710 AT&amp;SF box car&nbsp; $30.00 > 4-9711 southern pacific box car&nbsp; $28.00 > 4-9712 illinois central gulf&nbsp; $31.00 > 4-9713 new york central box car&nbsp; $36.00 > 4-9713 new york central box car&nbsp; $36.00 > 6-48005 pennsylvania GP-9 diesel loco&nbsp; $190.00 > 6-48013 conrail GP-7diesel engine&nbsp; $230.00 > 6-48014 northern pacific GP-9 diesel engine&nbsp; $240.00 > 6-48017 nickel plate road diesel loco set&nbsp; $255.00 > 6-48301 denver and rio grand box car&nbsp; $35.00 > 6-48302 canadain pacific box car&nbsp; $34.00 > 6-48303 chessie box car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48304 burlington northern box car&nbsp; $41.00 > 6-48306 seaboard coast line box car&nbsp; $34.00 > 6-48307 western pacific box car&nbsp; $34.00 > 6-48316 bangor+aroostook refigerator car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48317 rath packing refigerator car&nbsp; $37.00 > 6-48318 AC gilbert box car&nbsp; $47.00 > 6-48320 nickel plate road box car&nbsp; $34.00 > 6-48322 new haven box car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann&nbsp; $43.00 > 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann&nbsp; $43.00 > 6-48327 1997 AF christmas car&nbsp; $44.00 > 6-48328 900-197 great northern RY box car&nbsp; $40.00 > 6-48330 pennsylvania rail road box car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48332 missouri-kansas- texas box car&nbsp; $31.00 > 6-48333 bangor+aroostook box car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48334 seaboard box car&nbsp; $25.00 > 6-48340 2000 AF christmas box car&nbsp; $70.00 > 6-48342 2001 AF christmas box car&nbsp; $55.00 > 6-48343 AF great northern box car&nbsp; $50.00 > 6-48346 2002 AF christmas box car&nbsp; $47.00 > 6-48348 northern pacific box car&nbsp; $55.00 > 6-48349 disney goofy box car&nbsp; $47.00 > 6-48351 disney donald and daisy box car&nbsp; $41.00 > 6-48353 2003 AF christmas boxcar&nbsp; $50.00 > 6-48356 disney pluto box car&nbsp; $42.00 > 6-48357 disney winnie the pooh box car&nbsp; $43.00 > 6-48403 british columbia tank car&nbsp; $85.00 > 6-48404 US ARMY tank car&nbsp; $36.00 > 6-48406 celanese chemicals tank car&nbsp; $37.00 > 6-48408 625 sunoco single dome tank car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48413 diamond chemicals single dome tank car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car&nbsp; $245.00 > 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car&nbsp; $145.00 > 6-48514 1046 gilbert intermodel TTux SET&nbsp; $60.00 > 6-48515 new haven flatcar with girder load&nbsp; $50.00 > 6-48516 627 southern pacific searchlight car&nbsp; $47.00 > 6-48524 AF bordens flat car&nbsp; $50.00 > 6-48525 AF burlington gondola&nbsp; $48.00 > 6-48525 AF burlington gondola&nbsp; $48.00 > 6-48529 new york central flat car with wheel load&nbsp; $48.00 > 6-48602 erie covered hopper&nbsp; $28.00 > 6-48605 burlington northern covered hopper&nbsp; $30.00 > 6-48609 deleware + hudson covered hopper&nbsp; $29.00 > 6-48610 nickel plate road covered hopper&nbsp; $31.00 > 6-48611 cargill 3 bay covered hopper&nbsp; $37.00 > 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48619 AF u.p. hopper&nbsp; $47.00 > 6-48621 canadian national coverd hopper&nbsp; $41.00 > 6-48701 illinois central caboose&nbsp; $31.00 > 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48710 conrail bay window caboose&nbsp; $33.00 > 6-48711 northern pacific bay window car&nbsp; $40.00 > 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose&nbsp; $44.00 > 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose&nbsp; $44.00 > 6-48714 990 southern pacific caboose&nbsp; $43.00 > 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF&nbsp; $70.00 > 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF&nbsp; $70.00 > 6-48801 union pacific reefer&nbsp; $29.00 > 6-48806 railway express agency refigerator car&nbsp; $32.00 > 6-48807 nickel plate road refigerator car&nbsp; $30.00 > 6-48933 missouri pacific dining car&nbsp; $70.00 > 6-48934 northern pacific dining car&nbsp; $70.00 > 6-48994 set of four AT&amp;SF streamliner cars&nbsp; $260 > &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbs p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6-48945 995 AT&amp;SF railway concho dining car&nbsp; > &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbs p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6-48946 996 AT&amp;SF railway acoma coach > &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbs p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6-48947 998 AT&amp;SF railway vista canyon observation car > &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbs p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6-48948 997 AT&amp;SF railway navajo vista dome car > 6-49011 union pacific moe &amp; joe operating lumber car&nbsp; $65.00 > 6-49016 santa fe walking brakeman car&nbsp; $60.00 > 6-49805 gabe the lamplighter& nbsp; $120.00 > 6-49807 752 seaboard coaler&nbsp; $180.00 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48984	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Box question

Hi, I know that the boxes were not the white, and red ones. My dad picked up the # 30 car in a close out sale at a store in the area. I know the boxes come up on ebay now, and then. The boxs were the color of gold white, and red letters. Clayton --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Box question > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:46 AM > I recently got a Franklin engine and passenger cars from a > friend. > From the shop junk box, I got most of a loco and the body > of the box > car with the grills. > When finished, I like to put even my kit bashed cars in > repro boxes to > keep the dust off. > The Franklin stuff is more the size of O scale narrow > gauge than S > scale. Will the cars fit in regular car boxes? Red and > white boxes? > Or was the Franklin era stuff only in set boxes? > Inquiring and demented mind wants to know. > Stumpy Stone....in rainy Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48985	From: frank emiro	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more

48357 you can by new from a dealer for $19.99 --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Edward G. <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward G. <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 2:33 PM Doesnt seem to be any Bargains here ..all the prices are high book prices and most of this can be bought at auction cheaper by bidding....guess you are right she is prepared to wait and in no hurry .. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ ...> wrote: > > I am helping a lady sell her late father's collection on behalf of her mother.&nbsp; They are almost certain that none of the cars on the following list have ever been out of the box.&nbsp; The whole collection has been kept in an air conditioned outbuilding with a dehumidifier. &nbsp; I show 2008 Greenberg book values in the list below.&nbsp; > > There is also a lot of used Gilbert Flyer equipment in the collection.& nbsp; She's working on the list and pictures of those.&nbsp; Stay tuned! > > She's in no rush to sell so you can buy things in batches over the coming months. > &nbsp; > If you want any of these cars or engines, email me an offer of price and the date you want to buy each item. Right now, she's out of town for two weeks, so I will be accepting offers on these cars through June 14.&nbsp; On June 15, I will begin notifying high bidders and confirm details of payment and delivery schedule.&nbsp; I'll send the winning offers to her when she returns home June 18. > &nbsp; > First, the two NASG Convention cars: > 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car; 2008 Greenberg book value&nbsp;$ 245.00 > 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car&nbsp; $145.00 > &nbsp; > Now the complete list: > > 4-8651 santa fe GP-20 diesel engine 8551&nbsp; $210.00 > 4-9004 southern flat car with vans&nbsp; $37.00 > 4-9100 gulf tank car&nbsp; $55.00 > 4-9101 union oil tank car&nbsp; $35.00 > 4-9101 union oil tank car&nbsp; $35.00 > 4-9200 chessie hopper car&nbsp; $46.00 > 4-9207 b+o covered hopper&nbsp; $25.00 > 4-9208 ATSF covered hopper&nbsp; $24.00 > 4-9209 new york central hopper car&nbsp; $27.00 > 4-9209 new york central hopper car&nbsp; $27.00 > 4-9300 burlington northern gondola&nbsp; $22.00 > 4-9304 new york central gondola+canisters& nbsp; $22.00 > 4-9400 chessie systen caboose&nbsp; $28.00 > 4-9400 chessie systen caboose&nbsp; $28.00 > 4-9404 new york central bay window caboose&nbsp; $32.00 > 4-9405 santa fe bay window car&nbsp; $36.00 > 4-9701 rock box car&nbsp; $26.00 > 4-9701 rock box car&nbsp; $26.00 > 4-9701 rock box car&nbsp; $26.00 > 4-9706 new york central box car&nbsp; $80.00 > 4-9707 rail box car&nbsp; $49.00 > 4-9709 B+O box car&nbsp; $29.00 > 4-9710 AT&amp;SF box car&nbsp; $30.00 > 4-9711 southern pacific box car&nbsp; $28.00 > 4-9712 illinois central gulf&nbsp; $31.00 > 4-9713 new york central box car&nbsp; $36.00 > 4-9713 new york central box car&nbsp; $36.00 > 6-48005 pennsylvania GP-9 diesel loco&nbsp; $190.00 > 6-48013 conrail GP-7diesel engine&nbsp; $230.00 > 6-48014 northern pacific GP-9 diesel engine&nbsp; $240.00 > 6-48017 nickel plate road diesel loco set&nbsp; $255.00 > 6-48301 denver and rio grand box car&nbsp; $35.00 > 6-48302 canadain pacific box car&nbsp; $34.00 > 6-48303 chessie box car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48304 burlington northern box car&nbsp; $41.00 > 6-48306 seaboard coast line box car&nbsp; $34.00 > 6-48307 western pacific box car&nbsp; $34.00 > 6-48316 bangor+aroostook refigerator car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48317 rath packing refigerator car&nbsp; $37.00 > 6-48318 AC gilbert box car&nbsp; $47.00 > 6-48320 nickel plate road box car&nbsp; $34.00 > 6-48322 new haven box car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann&nbsp; $43.00 > 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann&nbsp; $43.00 > 6-48327 1997 AF christmas car&nbsp; $44.00 > 6-48328 900-197 great northern RY box car&nbsp; $40.00 > 6-48330 pennsylvania rail road box car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48332 missouri-kansas- texas box car&nbsp; $31.00 > 6-48333 bangor+aroostook box car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48334 seaboard box car&nbsp; $25.00 > 6-48340 2000 AF christmas box car&nbsp; $70.00 > 6-48342 2001 AF christmas box car&nbsp; $55.00 > 6-48343 AF great northern box car&nbsp; $50.00 > 6-48346 2002 AF christmas box car&nbsp; $47.00 > 6-48348 northern pacific box car&nbsp; $55.00 > 6-48349 disney goofy box car&nbsp; $47.00 > 6-48351 disney donald and daisy box car&nbsp; $41.00 > 6-48353 2003 AF christmas boxcar&nbsp; $50.00 > 6-48356 disney pluto box car&nbsp; $42.00 > 6-48357 disney winnie the pooh box car&nbsp; $43.00 > 6-48403 british columbia tank car&nbsp; $85.00 > 6-48404 US ARMY tank car&nbsp; $36.00 > 6-48406 celanese chemicals tank car&nbsp; $37.00 > 6-48408 625 sunoco single dome tank car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48413 diamond chemicals single dome tank car&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car&nbsp; $245.00 > 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car&nbsp; $145.00 > 6-48514 1046 gilbert intermodel TTux SET&nbsp; $60.00 > 6-48515 new haven flatcar with girder load&nbsp; $50.00 > 6-48516 627 southern pacific searchlight car&nbsp; $47.00 > 6-48524 AF bordens flat car&nbsp; $50.00 > 6-48525 AF burlington gondola&nbsp; $48.00 > 6-48525 AF burlington gondola&nbsp; $48.00 > 6-48529 new york central flat car with wheel load&nbsp; $48.00 > 6-48602 erie covered hopper&nbsp; $28.00 > 6-48605 burlington northern covered hopper&nbsp; $30.00 > 6-48609 deleware + hudson covered hopper&nbsp; $29.00 > 6-48610 nickel plate road covered hopper&nbsp; $31.00 > 6-48611 cargill 3 bay covered hopper&nbsp; $37.00 > 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48619 AF u.p. hopper&nbsp; $47.00 > 6-48621 canadian national coverd hopper&nbsp; $41.00 > 6-48701 illinois central caboose&nbsp; $31.00 > 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose&nbsp; $38.00 > 6-48710 conrail bay window caboose&nbsp; $33.00 > 6-48711 northern pacific bay window car&nbsp; $40.00 > 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose&nbsp; $44.00 > 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose&nbsp; $44.00 > 6-48714 990 southern pacific caboose&nbsp; $43.00 > 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF&nbsp; $70.00 > 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF&nbsp; $70.00 > 6-48801 union pacific reefer&nbsp; $29.00 > 6-48806 railway express agency refigerator car&nbsp; $32.00 > 6-48807 nickel plate road refigerator car&nbsp; $30.00 > 6-48933 missouri pacific dining car&nbsp; $70.00 > 6-48934 northern pacific dining car&nbsp; $70.00 > 6-48994 set of four AT&amp;SF streamliner cars&nbsp; $260 > &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbs p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6-48945 995 AT&amp;SF railway concho dining car&nbsp; > &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbs p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6-48946 996 AT&amp;SF railway acoma coach > &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbs p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6-48947 998 AT&amp;SF railway vista canyon observation car > &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbs p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6-48948 997 AT&amp;SF railway navajo vista dome car > 6-49011 union pacific moe &amp; joe operating lumber car&nbsp; $65.00 > 6-49016 santa fe walking brakeman car&nbsp; $60.00 > 6-49805 gabe the lamplighter& nbsp; $120.00 > 6-49807 752 seaboard coaler&nbsp; $180.00 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48986	From: flheppe@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention

To join NASG go to _www.nasg.org_ (http://www.nasg.org) and click on the application button. To compare activities at the NASG Convention in Lowell MA and Fall Fest in Milwaukee check the convention info at the above link and _www.trainweb.org/bsg_ (http://www.trainweb.org/bsg) and click on the Fall Fest button Monte Heppe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48987	From: bstilesaf	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: AF loco "governor?"

Folks: I gave the nephews an AF layout for Christmas. Austin, 5, knows and respects his metal 302. He runs it at a top speed of 70 on an original AF #8B tranny. Keefer, 3, likes to go full throttle off the mark. Note we are running circles here, or the occasional oval when the boys are in the mood to share. Is there a way using resistors and the like to "govern" the little one's plastic 302 so not so much speed can be achieved? Both got a 302, 640, and 638...not too collectible or expensive because little boys are little boys. I do hope to have them enjoy these trains for a lifetime, though. This Christmas will bring them a mail car, operating hopper, a tank car and a box car each. Trust me, it is fun for me, too! Thanks for any info you might have. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48988	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Box question

I got one off e-bay awhile back, adverstised as "boxed". It was a #20 and came in a red and white box. It could have been a generic box, however, as the name was not stamped in ink on the box, only penciled in by someone. I guess this is a good lesson for me, as I assumed "boxed" meant "in it's original box". Oh well, I'm just an operator anyway and a box (original or otherwise) isn't what I value. I love my little Franlin Frontier set and am keeping my eye out for a resonably-priced Washington to restore along with it's coach and Civil War cars. They are kind of an in-between size, though aren't they... not quite "S", not quite O-27. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48989	From: Scale S Only	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Real Trains/Big Steam 3751

OUTSTANDING! Bill Winans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48990	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more

All of you..... Remember the PRICES of TRAINS is down.... A good rule of Thumb is to take the Guide book price and divide by 2.... that gives a close current value NOW,,,,.... Then offer what you feel its worth!!!!!! IE: Mint 200.00 @ 50% = 100.00 so if you need it offer 75.00.... I did this last April at York.... Found several boxed sets that way.... PEOPLE TOOK A LOT HOME TOOO... Bob C. -------------- Original message from frank emiro <femiro2002@...>: -------------- 48357 you can by new from a dealer for $19.99

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48991	From: Robert B. Leffingwell	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Roger Johnson

Anyone in this group had trains being worked on by Roger Johnson of Calumet City, IL should contact me within the next week. He did a lot of restoration work, especially on S gauge trains. I check e-mail daily.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48992	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: AF loco "governor?"

There are ways. Then again, while running Gilbert classics we many times get asked (usually by HO and n-scale rivet-counters) "Why do you run trains so much faster than scale speeds?". "Cuz we can." They're called American "Flyer" for a reason [;)] . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48993	From: Bill Adams	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Cleaning Wheels

I have a 322, 302 and 350 that have not been cleaned since the good Lord invented dirt........ What is the best way to take the first two layers of crud off the wheels?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48994	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Box E-Bay WARNING

Stumpy, Look here for the box you are asking about. Mike E-Bay # 330240647519

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48995	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: AF loco "governor?"

Ben; Resistors not a good idea, will get very hot and smelly, and then fail, unless you get some huge ones. Better way, you can use a couple silicon diodes, wire them with polarity back to back in parallel so they pass current both directions, use at least 1 amp versions. (radio shack) These are not very big. Each pair of 2 will drop about .7 or .8 volts. You can place the diode bundle between the pickup points inside the tender and the pick up wires. (series between the pickup point and the wire) If one bundle of 2 doesn't slow it down enough, use another 2 at the other pick up. That would give about 1.5 volt reduction at the motor. They will get warm in operation, but not hot, easily able to be touched. If placed at the tender pick up points, this will also reduce voltage to the reverse unit (assuming you have one), if it's a sluggish one, you may want to place the diodes between the reverse unit and the motor, like perhaps at the field wire attachment points. I've used this a lot to calm down "jack rabbit" loco's in my old days of pre-DCC operating. It works fine and is very reliable. Of course, it will reduce how many cars you can drag around. Always a trade off. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bstilesaf" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > Folks: > > I gave the nephews an AF layout for Christmas. Austin, 5, knows and > respects his metal 302. He runs it at a top speed of 70 on an original > AF #8B tranny. Keefer, 3, likes to go full throttle off the mark. Note > we are running circles here, or the occasional oval when the boys are > in the mood to share. > > Is there a way using resistors and the like to "govern" the little > one's plastic 302 so not so much speed can be achieved? > > Both got a 302, 640, and 638...not too collectible or expensive > because little boys are little boys. I do hope to have them enjoy > these trains for a lifetime, though. This Christmas will bring them a > mail car, operating hopper, a tank car and a box car each. Trust me, > it is fun for me, too! > > Thanks for any info you might have. > > Ben >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48996	From: John and Maria Harvey	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Removing Rust and Restoring the Finish

I have quite a few AF "junkers" that I am finally thinking about restoring to running condition. Many of the link coupler trucks and sheet metal chassis have rust spots. What is the the best (and easiest) method of removing the rest and restoring the blue/black finish? Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48997	From: ken_5556	Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Removing Rust and Restoring the Finish

The best way that I have ever seen to remove rust: Better than steel wool. Better than Navel Jelly. Better than sand blasting. Does not remove paint or plating. http://www.evaporust.com/ http://www.evapo-rust.com/ http://www.theruststore.com/Evapo-Rust-Gallon-P1C1.aspx I bought some at Auto Zone, a little pricey but it can be re-used. If it gets real dirty just toss it out. Just remember to keep the rusty objects submerged. Use a plastic storage container. After the rust is gone, spray with some kind of protection. I use Super Lube. It is available in a tube or in a spray can. I bought a tube at True Value Hardware for $5.00. I bought a spray can a Harbor Freight for $7 or $8.00. This stuff is a pretty new product which is high tech and uses Teflon. Hope this helps. Ken --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John and Maria Harvey <scottishshop@...> wrote: > > I have quite a few AF "junkers" that I am finally thinking about > restoring to running condition. Many of the link coupler trucks and > sheet metal chassis have rust spots. What is the the best (and easiest) > method of removing the rest and restoring the blue/black finish? > > Thanks, > John Harvey >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48998	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention

Most definitely!. And registering for the convention includes a new one-year membership in NASG, automatically! www.nasg.org <http://www.nasg.org/> www.nasg2008.com <http://www.nasg2008.com/> NASG is THE national organization for S-gauge railroaders. "Milwaukee" is a regional "get-together" of S-gaugers that has no connection with NASG. It is, in a sense, a gathering or "show" sponsored by one of four different Midwest S-scale clubs each year, and it rotates between the four locations. <<<Can one join NASG? HOW? What is this compared to what is scheduled for Milwaukee in November?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 48999	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: SHS Open House

Yes, it is one week away from our annual Open House. The festivities start next Friday the 13th at 11 AM and end at 5 PM. Saturday hours are 10 AM to 4 PM, We serve hot dogs, hamburgers and soft drinks. The featured event is Robin's "Scratch and Dent" sale. See painted samples and artwork of upcoming models. Everyone is invited and best yet, there is no charge. We all hope to see you there, Don PS RSVP so we have enough grub.....732-441-0555. For more info www.showcaseline.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49000	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more

That is certainly true of some items, but not many.  Remember the old saying, "All generalizations are false, including this one"?   Have you ever seen a 1999 Christmas boxcar (Greenberg price $180) sell for $90?  The cheapest I've ever seen one sell for is $185, and I've known them to go as high as $280; typical is $225 to $250.  Same for the Christmas Geep (also $180).   Club cars, the older Christmas cars, several tank cars, and lots of engines commonly sell at and above Greenberg prices.   Bid less than half if you like, but I can tell you from personal experience that you won't get any interesting cars that way.   --- On Fri, 6/6/08, rcon7@... <rcon7@...> wrote: From: rcon7@... <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: "frank emiro" <femiro2002@...> Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 7:23 AM All of you..... Remember the PRICES of TRAINS is down.... A good rule of Thumb is to take the Guide book price and divide by 2.... that gives a close current value NOW,,,,.... Then offer what you feel its worth!!!!!! IE: Mint 200.00 @ 50% = 100.00 so if you need it offer 75.00.... I did this last April at York.... Found several boxed sets that way.... PEOPLE TOOK A LOT HOME TOOO... Bob C. ------------ -- Original message from frank emiro <femiro2002@yahoo. com>: ------------ -- 48357 you can by new from a dealer for $19.99 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49001	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more

Can you get your Gilbert HO and divide by 2 and I will take what ever you have? Jerry PS HOW YOU DOING! rcon7@... wrote: All of you..... Remember the PRICES of TRAINS is down.... A good rule of Thumb is to take the Guide book price and divide by 2.... that gives a close current value NOW,,,,.... Then offer what you feel its worth!!!!!! IE: Mint 200.00 @ 50% = 100.00 so if you need it offer 75.00.... I did this last April at York.... Found several boxed sets that way.... PEOPLE TOOK A LOT HOME TOOO... Bob C. -------------- Original message from frank emiro <femiro2002@...>: -------------- 48357 you can by new from a dealer for $19.99 Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49002	From: ken_5556	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning Wheels

The best way that I found to remove really thick crud is with a small, jeweler's screwdriver. You have to cradle it in one hand to bite into the crud while turning the other wheel on the same axel, sort of like a very slow lathe. The crud will come off in thick round shavings. Don't use any chemicals; you could make things a lot worse. After you are done, use a motor tool with a stainless wire brush for the metal wheels. Use a brass wire brush for the plastic wheels. Turn the speed down, otherwise the dirt will fly all over the room. By the way, I repaired trains for 30 years and owned my own store. That is the fastest, cheapest and easiest way that worked for cleaning wheels. Ken --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Adams" <WMFADAMSNY@...> wrote: > > I have a 322, 302 and 350 that have not been cleaned since the good > Lord invented dirt........ What is the best way to take the first two > layers of crud off the wheels? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49003	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Removing Rust and Restoring the Finish

I wast old by someone in a store which was S ( YEAH) and O (BOOO) what our mother uses on her pots and pan is Scotch Brite works getting rust of of the rails. and what is the difference between rails and what you want done. I also heard "on the radio" Coke ( maybe Pepsi or a carbonated beverage) will get rust off you car bumpers. P.S. they were metal back then. ____________________________________________________________ Smart Girls Secret Weapon Read Unbiased Beauty Product Reviews, Get Helpful Tips, Tricks and Sam http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7U3xdiBeiLb4xHJRmxFTCxOThGUBVbnwdMmjJxyBq8kLMmf/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49004	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning Wheels

You could ask the Lord as He invented it. the drivers or trailing truck and non metal wheels. non metal wheels turn the opposite wheel(if you mean the white stuff try art gum ereaser. or maybe a pencil eraser. how ever it is spelled. My English teacher friend is not here tocorrect my spelling: or a tooth brush would work as well. soap and water but dry immediately. Hair dryer and or a towel. Metal wheels. which have electrical piwer no water Turn up side down and run the engine. a wire brush should get two layers off. a screw driver may be used at SLOW speed [would not want the screw driver jump up and hit you in the nose I got razzed for weeks about it] then for the last two layers I think "chore boy" sold in hobby shops for HO people to clean their two rail layouts. looks like an ink eareaser. ____________________________________________________________ Beauty Product Reviews Read Unbiased Beauty Product Reviews and Join Our Product Review Team! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7Uvr5td4R32f6rB5mUgwm0hulPCUgGGl1dWycAXJEWEjKgb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49005	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Box question

I know boxed could mean any thing. OB is what you were thinking. O R I G I O N A L B O X ____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ni7f6fSD8A6xpGTzi3lOuZrNxo2Fe7DJHnvbCGXmCXEM9Wj/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49006	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Plastic Strips

The 1 x 3" white S scale plastic strips came today. I think they will be perfect for the baseball field on the layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49007	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention

does NASG have a magazine? ____________________________________________________________ Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ndyIBXsbZaGAMbP3aU6tCndJJp6Uy8mg9N6vw67XqUf6B67/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49008	From: frank emiro	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: AF loco "governor?"

I like that reply........ --- On Fri, 6/6/08, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF loco "governor?" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 11:13 AM There are ways. Then again, while running Gilbert classics we many times get asked (usually by HO and n-scale rivet-counters) "Why do you run trains so much faster than scale speeds?". "Cuz we can." They're called American "Flyer" for a reason [;)] . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49009	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Removing Rust and Restoring the Finish

The blue-black finish is blueing (as in gun blueing). You can buy a small bottle of it at gun shops and others that sell guns - I got mine at Walmart. After removing the rust, apply the blueing and you will be restoring the original ACG finish. AGC blueing seems to vary in color from blue-black to a reddish black. If you're doing touch-up you'll have to see how your reblueing matches the original on that part. Roger Delthony rpd5@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49010	From: The LANIERs	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: AF loco "governor?"

Why not just use a smaller wattage transformer? They are plentiful and cheap. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: frank emiro To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF loco "governor?"  I like that reply........ --- On Fri, 6/6/08, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF loco "governor?" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 11:13 AM There are ways. Then again, while running Gilbert classics we many times get asked (usually by HO and n-scale rivet-counters) "Why do you run trains so much faster than scale speeds?". "Cuz we can." They're called American "Flyer" for a reason [;)] . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49011	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention

Yes -- the NASG publishes a bi-monthly magazine for NASG members, the NASG Dispatch. The magazine is one of the membership benefits. See http://nasg.org/publish for more info... Regards Michael At 6/7/2008 01:13 PM, n9guy@... wrote: >does NASG have a magazine? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49012	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/8/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 8, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 1 minute. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49013	From: roy inman	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning Wheels

What does that have to do with anything...? Roy Inman > > You could ask the Lord as He invented it. > > > > the drivers or trailing truck and non metal wheels. > > non metal wheels turn the opposite wheel(if you mean the > white stuff try art gum ereaser. or maybe a pencil > eraser. how ever it is spelled. My English teacher > friend is not here tocorrect my spelling: or a tooth > brush would work as well. soap and water but dry > immediately. Hair dryer and or a towel. > > Metal wheels. which have electrical piwer no water > Turn up side down and run the engine. a wire brush > should get two layers off. a screw driver may be > used at SLOW speed [would not want the screw driver > jump up and hit you in the nose I got razzed for weeks > about it] then for the last two layers I think "chore > boy" sold in hobby shops for HO people to clean their > two rail layouts. looks like an ink eareaser. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49014	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: how do I sing up for convention HOW MUCH $ $ $ $ $

SNED AN APPLICATION

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49015	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Would it be cheaper to just joun NASG than to sign up for conven

I tried printing on my new computer with the old printer. Did not work... compatibility a problem. brought up a newer HP no did not work either. so an e-mailed application would not work either. Therefore = = = = give me a snail mail address to write to.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49016	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail

I've dabbled in every scale from Z up to the ride on sizes, often more than once. (This is my third time in S!) Like many model railroaders, I was in HO for a long time, and right now I do 0n30 which is O scale on HO gauge track to represent narrow gauge trains. One reason I have moved away from the smaller scales (aside from tired old eyes)is the lack of reliability of the equipment, particularly in HO and N. The scale trucks and couplers derail and uncouple with maddening frequency! Every tiny glitch in the track causes those tiny couplers to uncouple due to changing ride height and the tiny wheel flanges take every opportunity to jump off the rails. While my S "scale" equipment isn't as bad, it still isn't much more reliable. Meanwhile, my Flyer compatable trains with their over size couplers and wheel flanges will run hour after hour, trouble free. I got to thinking about this recently, and have come up with the following conclusion..... We do not live in a scale world. Even in S the trains are too light and the curves too sharp to work reliably in a 1/1th scale world. To expect scale couplers and wheel flanges to operate well under these circumstances is being unrealistic! I guess I'm just one of those people who prizes reliable operation over scale fidelity. I agree with the "scale" folks that those Hi- rail couplers and wheel flanges are ugly and oversize. But they work! What do y'all think? Stumpy Stone...The Appalachian Flyer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49017	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Would it be cheaper to just joun NASG than to sign up for co

Hi If you want, just email your paper/snail mail address to me (either use the from address on this email or you can send it to our web email address webm @ nasg2008.com (remove the spaces around the @) and I will send you out a full convention packet including registration form by paper mail. It will save time and effort of you having to write for one. Regards Michael At 6/7/2008 03:25 PM, you wrote: > I tried printing on my new computer with the old printer. > > Did not work... compatibility a problem. > > brought up a newer HP no did not work either. > > so an e-mailed application would not work either. > > Therefore = = = = give me a snail mail address to write to. > >------------------------------------ > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49018	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail

> > " I agree with the "scale" folks that those Hi- rail couplers and wheel flanges are ugly and oversize. But they work! What do y'all think?" They work and they don't bother me at all appearance wise. :^) Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49019	From: Scale S Only	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail

Hi Stumpy --- Those of us who take the time and necessary effort to make our scale S trackwork as smooth as the real thing find that our trains run quite reliably. Your comments about all things not scaling is quite true. I have tried using P64 wheels (smaller flanges than NASG scale) with less than great results because friction coefficients do not scale, and so those tiny flanges just walk right over a railhead if there is any lateral force applied (as when backing a train). In answer to your question, I think whatever works for you and makes you happy is ALL that counts. I hold no "holier than thou" feelings towards anyone who actually plays with their trains (a situation that is all too scarce), regardles of size or "scaleness". Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Vallley, AZ One reason I have moved away from the smaller scales (aside from tired old eyes)is the lack of reliability of the equipment, particularly in HO and N. The scale trucks and couplers derail and uncouple with maddening frequency! . While my S "scale" equipment isn't as bad, it still isn't much more reliable. Meanwhile, my Flyer compatable trains with their over size couplers and wheel flanges will run hour after hour, trouble free. I got to thinking about this recently, and have come up with the following conclusion..... We do not live in a scale world. Even in S the trains are too light and the curves too sharp to work reliably in a 1/1th scale world. To expect scale couplers and wheel flanges to operate well under these circumstances is being unrealistic! I guess I'm just one of those people who prizes reliable operation over scale fidelity. I agree with the "scale" folks that those Hi-rail couplers and wheel flanges are ugly and oversize. But they work! What do y'all think? Stumpy Stone...The Appalachian Flyer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49020	From: John Degnan	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail

I don't agree at all. You cannot judge the reliability (or quality of experience) of a scale model by the results of a toy. There are a number of things that makes the difference here... the quality of the track, the weight of the cars and the ability of the operator to run the trains smoothly (as opposed to playing bumper-cars) and realistically (speed). Scale (P:64) wheels and semi-scale (code 110) wheels will work just fine if your track and operating practices is up to par; I've been testing P:64 wheels for the last 6 months and found that out personally to be a fact. I've also found that the weight of the cars takes third place in the list of importance with track quality taking first place and operators skill taking second. This is true even with 1:1 scale trains... do they weight-match freight cars before they put them in a train? I've never seen them doing so... maybe they put the lighter cars nearer the end of the train, but even that isn't a "religious" practice. This is my personal findings... but, humbly stated, this may be due to the possibility that my track and operatior skills are superior to those of others who have done these tests. It is also not necessarily true that all model curves in track are tighter than 1:1 scale curves since, depending on the size and type of the layout, not all layouts are "crammed" together; small, switching layouts for example can be precise relplicas in all respects of 1:1 scale scenes. As for coupler reliability... I have never, in any scale, had much trouble with couplers coming loose, no matter what coupler was in use. So in short, we don't have to compromise fidelity for reliability... we only CHOOSE to... a choice that is usually based on how much effort we want to put into our models. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail > I got to thinking about this recently, and have come up with the following conclusion..... > We do not live in a scale world. Even in S the trains are too light and the curves too sharp to work reliably in a 1/1th scale world. To expect scale couplers and wheel flanges to operate well under these circumstances is being unrealistic! > I guess I'm just one of those people who prizes reliable operation over scale fidelity. I agree with the "scale" folks that those Hi-rail couplers and wheel flanges are ugly and oversize. But they work! > What do y'all think? > Stumpy Stone...The Appalachian Flyer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49021	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Mauldin, SC Show

The first day of the train show by the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers put on in Mauldin, SC and sponsored by their Chamber of Commerce on Saturday, June 7th was a huge success. There were more than 1400 people through the door just to see our 46 by 30 foot S gauge layout complete with center passing and staging yard plus our Thomas the Tank Engine train cab and layout (with train whistle and sounds allowing small children to run their own trains) and Train Races (using magneto flywheels for hand powered train races for the older "kids").  The layout also contains more than 70 operating buttons. The show continues today from 1 to 4 pm and on next Saturday from 9 am until 9 pm. For pictures from the first day of the show, go to: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/40ab?b=1 Joe  Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49022	From: roy inman	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail

I have run hi-rail wheels with Kadee couplers at a number of shows over the years and that combination seems to work for me. Roy Inman From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:39:12 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail I've dabbled in every scale from Z up to the ride on sizes, often more than once. (This is my third time in S!) Like many model railroaders, I was in HO for a long time, and right now I do 0n30 which is O scale on HO gauge track to represent narrow gauge trains. One reason I have moved away from the smaller scales (aside from tired old eyes)is the lack of reliability of the equipment, particularly in HO and N. The scale trucks and couplers derail and uncouple with maddening frequency! Every tiny glitch in the track causes those tiny couplers to uncouple due to changing ride height and the tiny wheel flanges take every opportunity to jump off the rails. While my S "scale" equipment isn't as bad, it still isn't much more reliable. Meanwhile, my Flyer compatable trains with their over size couplers and wheel flanges will run hour after hour, trouble free. I got to thinking about this recently, and have come up with the following conclusion..... We do not live in a scale world. Even in S the trains are too light and the curves too sharp to work reliably in a 1/1th scale world. To expect scale couplers and wheel flanges to operate well under these circumstances is being unrealistic! I guess I'm just one of those people who prizes reliable operation over scale fidelity. I agree with the "scale" folks that those Hi- rail couplers and wheel flanges are ugly and oversize. But they work! What do y'all think? Stumpy Stone...The Appalachian Flyer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49023	From: roy inman	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail

With my aging eyes, I can't tell the difference between scale and hi-rail wheel sets without a magnifying glass. Couplers, yes. Roy Inman From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 09:07:05 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail > > " I agree with the "scale" folks that those Hi- rail couplers and wheel flanges are ugly and oversize. But they work! What do y'all think?" They work and they don't bother me at all appearance wise. :^) Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49024	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Scale vs. Hi-rail

I agree with the "scale" folks that those Hi-rail couplers and wheel flanges are ugly and oversize. But they work! What do y'all think? Hi Stumpy and all, I mostly agree but would like to know what Hi-rail couplers are. As far as I know we have the original ACG links and knuckles, repro knucklers along with modern versions of the knuckle. Then it goes to Kadee and their ilk. I suppose the oversized Kadee #802 could be Hi-rail with the #5 family being more scale in size. As for flanges, I still can't figure out why the hard-core scaler finds Hi-rail flanges to be so objectionable. The only time one can notice a difference (aside from derailments:-)) is upon close examination or ultra close-up pictures. A case in point (and a plug); if you will look at some of the videos on my website I'll bet you will be hard pressed to notice the difference between scale wheels and Hi-rail wheels. There are some very close-up shots showing them going through the frogs - both scale and Hi-rail are represented. From more than 6" away. well, I won't go there. As for me, I like Flyer link couplers and Kadee #5s with Hi-rail flanges, though some Flyer wheels are tolerated. I do change out some of the Flyer to SHS trucks and body mounted #5s. Trains are the usual, from Flyer to new SHS and AM, with body mounted Kadee #5s and Flyer link while wheels are Hi-rail, Flyer and some scale for test purposes. I can't say I have a layout anymore, but I run trains more than most because of the testing program we have in place - back and forth, back and forth. Stumpy, you wanted to stir - how did I do? Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49025	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: My S building kit on -bay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130228844847&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49026	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: My S building kit on -bay

Nice building kit...... Hope you sell a lot.... Bob C -------------- Original message from JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...>: -------------- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130228844847&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49027	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail

I am remined of the old Flyer Couplers.... You have to kind of BANG INTO THEM.... Not just gently ease them in.... I tried that with that Deisel..... Gently kiss them..... But as I pulled away with the Cabooses.... They just sat there.... DUH the couplers didn't close.... So with a little "BANG", they closed and locked..... Even the real stuff acts like the model stuff!!!!! Bob -------------- Original message from roy inman <rinphoto@...>: -------------- With my aging eyes, I can't tell the difference between scale and hi-rail wheel sets without a magnifying glass. Couplers, yes. Roy Inman From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 09:07:05 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stirring the pot...Scale vs. Hi-rail > > " I agree with the "scale" folks that those Hi- rail couplers and wheel flanges are ugly and oversize. But they work! What do y'all think?" They work and they don't bother me at all appearance wise. :^) Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49028	From: John Degnan	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-rail

The Kadee 802s/808s are as close to "scale" as you're gonna get in S... unless you go to the nearly-perfectly-scaled Sergent coupler, of course. The Kadee HO couplers are more out-of-scale (out of S scale, that is) than the 802s/808s. Everyone just hold on tight util the new Sergent S coupler comes out if you want perfection. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Scale vs. Hi-rail > I suppose the oversized Kadee #802 could be Hi-rail with the #5 family being > more scale in size.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49029	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/8/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49030	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: For Sale, Brass Bershire Kit, S Block Building, N.A.S.G. Unit cars

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49031	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Fw: S Helper Field

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=60&m=t&o=0 ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: S Helper Field Just got home from seeing the National's lose to the Giants. So, here the latest on S Helper Field, an S Scale Baseball field. Homeplate was officially put in place today by the mayor of my little town, which is the Marx 1960's military looking police. My little town, only has a population of one, 8, S scale cats and assorted AF and plasticville cows. Bases where put down once the plastic strips for the base line where glued into place. Pitching plate is ready on the mound. Next, the batter's box was formed out of plastic strips. We added some more grass to the field, so you might see some green on infield. That will be eaten tomorrow by the cows. Left and Right fields will be a bit longer, as we need to paint in the warning track, add grass, add the foul lines and yellow foul pole. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49032	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: can't get answers to 2 e-mails for rr concepts.com

I like the idea of 2 automatic reverse loops with spring loaded turn outs and where you can run 2 trains and one slows down while the other one passes Do you know if these people are out of town? Has anyone done this? Any other way to do this? I like the idea of not needing power to the turn outs. I want to use Thom's. They also have a way for one train to pass another. If that could be incorporated some way this would be a great automated lay out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49033	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: 3 JUNE 2008 UPDATE: NASG 2008 National Convention

Just FYI as I had an inquiry. To be sure there is no confusion: - If you are not a paid up NASG member and want to attend the 2008 NASG National Convention, there is a $20 extra charge required for non-NASG members (above the normal registration fees). The extra $20 fee will be sent in its entirety by the 2008 Convention Committee to the NASG to be used for a 1 year NASG membership for the registrant -- we hope this approach will provide more benefits to the non-NASG registrant for the extra charge. - NASG members do not have to pay this extra $20 charge, and their registration fee for the 2008 convention does NOT include a one year extension of their NASG membership. Regards Michael At 6/7/2008 07:43 AM, Doug Peck wrote: >Most definitely!. > >And registering for the convention includes a new one-year membership in >NASG, automatically! > > > >www.nasg.org <http://www.nasg.org/> > > > >www.nasg2008.com <http://www.nasg2008.com/> > > > >NASG is THE national organization for S-gauge railroaders. > > > >"Milwaukee" is a regional "get-together" of S-gaugers that has no >connection with NASG. > >It is, in a sense, a gathering or "show" sponsored by one of four >different Midwest S-scale clubs each year, and it rotates between the >four locations. > > > ><<<Can one join NASG? >HOW? >What is this compared to what is scheduled for Milwaukee >in November?>>> > > > >Doug Peck >Port Lines Hobby Supply >6 Storeybrooke Drive >Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 >www.sgaugetrains.com ><file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data >\Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> >www.flyerparts.com ><file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data >\Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> >Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). >978-465-8798 >1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) >VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49034	From: Jim Oliver	Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Some Short Vids on YouTube

I posted some short vids on YouTube of some S gauge things I put together.Let me know what you think. You can find by looking up under channel "All Aboard" or my YouTube user name "bobbobphp" When I get some extra tipple cars I put them up on Ebay.My selling name is "jimbys". Have Fun

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49035	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Some Short Vids on YouTube

Jim, That's one of the most creative uses of an old caboose body, turning it into a trolley. How did you you make it? Dale Smith Jim Oliver wrote: > > I posted some short vids on YouTube of some S gauge things I put > together.Let me know what you think. You can find by looking up under > channel "All Aboard" or my YouTube user name "bobbobphp" When I get > some extra tipple cars I put them up on Ebay.My selling name > is "jimbys". > Have Fun > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49036	From: mikenguy9	Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: K4 462 AM any report on how much it can pull?

compared to any thing.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49037	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: NASG Convention --Auctions

For those coming to the Lowell NASG Convention in August, note that we are including a "Silent Auction" (which will end at Noon on Saturday), as well as the standard live Auction on Saturday night after the Banquet. Anyone attending the convention is welcome to submit items in either or both auctions. In either case, the convention receives only 10% of the selling price. "Minimums" are allowed. Doug Peck; Convention Chair. www.nasg2008.com <<<<<.........and as i said want to bring the set to Lowell to effect a satisfactory outcome......>>>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49038	From: Jerry Hiett	Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Removing Rust and Restoring the Finish

You can buy Scotchbright wheels in a good hardware store, They look like a gringing wheel, but are made of Scotchbright. Use them on a felxible shaft to really do a good job on those rails with little effort. I have used them for years and have reported on this list, although it was a few years back. We always refer to it as electric steel wool. does the same job, but does not leave all those little metal hairs that cause shorts in the system. Jerry > -----Original Message----- > From: n9guy@... > Sent: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:28:22 GMT > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Removing Rust and Restoring the Finish > > I wast old by someone in a store which was S ( YEAH) and O (BOOO) > what our mother uses on her pots and pan is Scotch Brite works > getting rust of of the rails. and what is the difference between > rails and what you want done. > > > I also heard "on the radio" Coke ( maybe Pepsi or a carbonated > beverage) will get rust off you car bumpers. > > P.S. they were metal back then. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Smart Girls Secret Weapon > Read Unbiased Beauty Product Reviews, Get Helpful Tips, Tricks and Sam > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7U3xdiBeiLb4xHJRmxFTCxOThGUBVbnwdMmjJxyBq8kLMmf/ > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49039	From: dphobbies	Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar now Shipping

While not the longest gestation period for an S Scale project, the loooooong delayed FMC double door boxcars have arrived from China. We have started shipping advance orders. The cars are Southern Pacific - freight car red, Golden West Service GVSR - blue, BAR, Bangor and Aroostrro - deep forest green, and Canadian National CNA - freight car redish maroon. Each road is available in 4 road numbers. All com equipped with Flyer compatible trucks and couplers with additional scale wheels in the box. Each car is $44.98. Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax 1-847-297-4976

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49040	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Any one want to sell some AM turnouts?

When I bought AM track I though I was S Scale. Now some people are looking down on 148 rail. It still looks good to me. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49041	From: VB	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar

Ordered all 4 BAR cars, can't wait to get them in the mail! Wooo-Hooo!~     Vince [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49042	From: David Engle	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar now Shipping

What is the door setup on this car-width, type, are the doors centered on the car side or is one door centered and the other next to it, creating a staggered-opening. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: dphobbies To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar now Shipping While not the longest gestation period for an S Scale project, the loooooong delayed FMC double door boxcars have arrived from China. We have started shipping advance orders. The cars are Southern Pacific - freight car red, Golden West Service GVSR - blue, BAR, Bangor and Aroostrro - deep forest green, and Canadian National CNA - freight car redish maroon. Each road is available in 4 road numbers. All com equipped with Flyer compatible trucks and couplers with additional scale wheels in the box. Each car is $44.98. Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax 1-847-297-4976 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49043	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Closing Our Business

Hi Friends, This is just a quick note to let you know that we are closing our business today. We have put it up for sale. Here is a link to the info. Maybe you know of a possible buyer? http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/ We have very little to no stock on the shelves. And the supplies are very low or gone completely, so it is a good time to close down. Thank you for your support and loyalty. We have made many friends through this fun business. But it is time for us to retire and take care of our elders full-time. Having both of our parents in wheelchairs and having to be watched all the time has become a full-time job. Thank you again, Keith Blanchard Pine Canyon Scale Models

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49044	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar

Can you tell me the Company who is offering these double door box cars? And a Web site is available, l Thanks, Dave. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49045	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Mauldin SC Show Pictures

For a lot of pictures from our show in Mauldin, SC this past weekend, go to:      http://acsg.carolinas.googlepages.com/home Over 2,000 people passed through the door, just to see our 46 by 30 foot layout plus Thomas cab (for the younger kids) and hand (magneto)-powered train race (for the older kids). This show continues this coming Saturday from 9 am until 9 pm at the Civic Center in Mauldin, SC (just outside of Greenville). Joe  Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49046	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar

Look at the SHS webpage and on the menu on the left go to "other" s rolling stock. The cars are drawn there. I have one that was donated to our club by one of our members and it's a knockout, good looking, weighted, and smooth rolling. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of YardMasterModels@... Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:41 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar Can you tell me the Company who is offering these double door box cars? And a Web site is available, l Thanks, Dave. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest. <http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102> aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49047	From: mike rosz	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: Any one want to sell some AM turnouts?

try dphobbies.com see if they have an in stock or just go to American models web sight. should be no problem there. JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> wrote: When I bought AM track I though I was S Scale. Now some people are looking down on 148 rail. It still looks good to me. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49048	From: Glenn	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business

Hi Keith, I am so sorry to hear this bad (for us) news. I am trying to finish some buildings then add more of your street scene items. If there are any laying around I will buy some. Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Blanchard To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Closing Our Business Hi Friends, This is just a quick note to let you know that we are closing our business today. We have put it up for sale. Here is a link to the info. Maybe you know of a possible buyer? http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/ We have very little to no stock on the shelves. And the supplies are very low or gone completely, so it is a good time to close down. Thank you for your support and loyalty. We have made many friends through this fun business. But it is time for us to retire and take care of our elders full-time. Having both of our parents in wheelchairs and having to be watched all the time has become a full-time job. Thank you again, Keith Blanchard Pine Canyon Scale Models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49049	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business

Thanks to Keith for serving the S gauge community and blessings as he cares for parents. Dave -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Blanchard Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Closing Our Business Hi Friends, This is just a quick note to let you know that we are closing our business today. We have put it up for sale. Here is a link to the info. Maybe you know of a possible buyer? http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/ We have very little to no stock on the shelves. And the supplies are very low or gone completely, so it is a good time to close down. Thank you for your support and loyalty. We have made many friends through this fun business. But it is time for us to retire and take care of our elders full-time. Having both of our parents in wheelchairs and having to be watched all the time has become a full-time job. Thank you again, Keith Blanchard Pine Canyon Scale Models ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1489 - Release Date: 6/7/2008 11:17 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1489 - Release Date: 6/7/2008 11:17 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49050	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business

Thank you all for the nice notes. Yes, it is like loosing a fimily member to close this business. Each one of the structures I have created is like one of my babies. So it is hard to let them go. Hopefully, with my guidence, the line will be continued. I am getting too old to continue and the elders need full- time care from both of us. I takes 3 people to keep Pine Canyon going. Sheila will have to take care of us while Kathy and I take care of the elders. Wheelchair races and all. The doctor and hospital visits are another story, Brother! We will all hold up our glass of Ensure and toast to the end of an era. We wouln't have a life for a while, but it will give us piece of mind to know they are well cared for. Cheers to all, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49051	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: S Helper Field, Ballast Update

My one figure for the layout, the Marx 1950's Military style police man, has put down the warning track on S Helper Field on the main board of the layout. He used some of the light gray ballast, that he stole from the D&K RR. Once the glue is dry tomorrow, he will sweep the excess away. Ballasting on the layout is over halfway done. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49052	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: All New S FMC Double Door Boxcar

Thanks Chuck!! **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49053	From: Les Mavor	Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business

Hi Keith; We haven't met, but I feel like we could have.... Elder care by caring people is a time-consuming and very stressful "business", fueled mainly by love and determination. We (Janet and I) are on the same treadmill with 3 elders in their 90s (4 until last month) and some weeks when half our waking hours are devoted in some way to this process. Add to that the varying demands of a fast-growing home-based business, and we often need 26 hour days to maintain some level of control. Good thing we're both "retired"! I have passed your web off to a friend in the same business lines as you. Hope your products find a good home, and your daily concerns find peaceful conclusions. Les Mavor www.scenikng.com --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Blanchard" <pinecanyonrr@...> wrote: > > Hi Friends, > > This is just a quick note to let you know that we are closing our > business today. We have put it up for sale. Here is a link to the info. > Maybe you know of a possible buyer? > http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/ > > We have very little to no stock on the shelves. And the supplies are > very low or gone completely, so it is a good time to close down. > > Thank you for your support and loyalty. We have made many friends > through this fun business. But it is time for us to retire and take > care of our elders full-time. Having both of our parents in wheelchairs > and having to be watched all the time has become a full-time job. > > Thank you again, > Keith Blanchard > Pine Canyon Scale Models >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49054	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business

Keith, do you know if you had some family out here in Portland Oregon? As a kid I lived next to an older family with your last name. We lived in the Laurehurst area of Portland - Glesan St. Clayton S. D. --- On Thu, 6/12/08, Keith Blanchard <pinecanyonrr@...> wrote: > From: Keith Blanchard <pinecanyonrr@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Closing Our Business > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 7:48 PM > Thank you all for the nice notes. > > Yes, it is like loosing a fimily member to close this > business. Each > one of the structures I have created is like one of my > babies. So it is > hard to let them go. Hopefully, with my guidence, the line > will be > continued. I am getting too old to continue and the elders > need full- > time care from both of us. I takes 3 people to keep Pine > Canyon going. > Sheila will have to take care of us while Kathy and I take > care of the > elders. Wheelchair races and all. The doctor and hospital > visits are > another story, Brother! We will all hold up our glass of > Ensure and > toast to the end of an era. We wouln't have a life for > a while, but it > will give us piece of mind to know they are well cared for. > Cheers to all, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49055	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Keith, do you know if you had some family out here in Portland Oregon? As a kid I lived next to an older family with your last name. We lived in the Laurehurst area of Portland - Glesan St. My family is in the east. Don't know of any in the west side of the country. We are taking care of my wife's parents. Thankfully they live just a few blocks away. One of us is there 24 hours. We take shifts. They are in their 90s and Dad is totally deaf, 90% blind and very demanding. Don't know what we would do with 4 of them. With my time here at our house, I would like to play trains for a nice change. A BIG Thank You to everyone for your kind support. Hopefully someone will continue the tradition in the not so far future. I will pass my ideas file along to the new owner. Stay well, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49056	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more

Where?  The cheapest I can find anywhere is $38.00 and one dealer is asking $54!   --- On Thu, 6/5/08, frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: for sale: 1989 & 1990 NASG cars and much more To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 12:55 PM 48357 you can by new from a dealer for $19.99 --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Edward G. &lt;am-flyr@telus. net&gt; wrote: From: Edward G. &lt;am-flyr@telus. net&gt; Subject: [S-Trains] Re: for sale: 1989 &amp; 1990 NASG cars and much more To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 2:33 PM Doesnt seem to be any Bargains here ..all the prices are high book prices and most of this can be bought at auction cheaper by bidding....guess you are right she is prepared to wait and in no hurry .. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Robert Graves &lt;theupstairstrai n@ ...&gt; wrote: &gt; &gt; I am helping a lady sell her late father's collection on behalf of her mother.&amp; nbsp; They are almost certain that none of the cars on the following list have ever been out of the box.&amp;nbsp; The whole collection has been kept in an air conditioned outbuilding with a dehumidifier. &amp;nbsp; I show 2008 Greenberg book values in the list below.&amp;nbsp; &gt; &gt; There is also a lot of used Gilbert Flyer equipment in the collection.& amp; nbsp; She's working on the list and pictures of those.&amp;nbsp; Stay tuned! &gt; &gt; She's in no rush to sell so you can buy things in batches over the coming months. &gt; &amp;nbsp; &gt; If you want any of these cars or engines, email me an offer of price and the date you want to buy each item. Right now, she's out of town for two weeks, so I will be accepting offers on these cars through June 14.&amp;nbsp; On June 15, I will begin notifying high bidders and confirm details of payment and delivery schedule.&amp; nbsp; I'll send the winning offers to her when she returns home June 18. &gt; &amp;nbsp; &gt; First, the two NASG Convention cars: &gt; 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car; 2008 Greenberg book value&amp;nbsp; $ 245.00 &gt; 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car&amp;nbsp; $145.00 &gt; &amp;nbsp; &gt; Now the complete list: &gt; &gt; 4-8651 santa fe GP-20 diesel engine 8551&amp;nbsp; $210.00 &gt; 4-9004 southern flat car with vans&amp;nbsp; $37.00 &gt; 4-9100 gulf tank car&amp;nbsp; $55.00 &gt; 4-9101 union oil tank car&amp;nbsp; $35.00 &gt; 4-9101 union oil tank car&amp;nbsp; $35.00 &gt; 4-9200 chessie hopper car&amp;nbsp; $46.00 &gt; 4-9207 b+o covered hopper&amp;nbsp; $25.00 &gt; 4-9208 ATSF covered hopper&amp;nbsp; $24.00 &gt; 4-9209 new york central hopper car&amp;nbsp; $27.00 &gt; 4-9209 new york central hopper car&amp;nbsp; $27.00 &gt; 4-9300 burlington northern gondola&amp; nbsp; $22.00 &gt; 4-9304 new york central gondola+canisters& amp; nbsp; $22.00 &gt; 4-9400 chessie systen caboose&amp; nbsp; $28.00 &gt; 4-9400 chessie systen caboose&amp; nbsp; $28.00 &gt; 4-9404 new york central bay window caboose&amp; nbsp; $32.00 &gt; 4-9405 santa fe bay window car&amp;nbsp; $36.00 &gt; 4-9701 rock box car&amp;nbsp; $26.00 &gt; 4-9701 rock box car&amp;nbsp; $26.00 &gt; 4-9701 rock box car&amp;nbsp; $26.00 &gt; 4-9706 new york central box car&amp;nbsp; $80.00 &gt; 4-9707 rail box car&amp;nbsp; $49.00 &gt; 4-9709 B+O box car&amp;nbsp; $29.00 &gt; 4-9710 AT&amp;amp;SF box car&amp;nbsp; $30.00 &gt; 4-9711 southern pacific box car&amp;nbsp; $28.00 &gt; 4-9712 illinois central gulf&amp;nbsp; $31.00 &gt; 4-9713 new york central box car&amp;nbsp; $36.00 &gt; 4-9713 new york central box car&amp;nbsp; $36.00 &gt; 6-48005 pennsylvania GP-9 diesel loco&amp;nbsp; $190.00 &gt; 6-48013 conrail GP-7diesel engine&amp;nbsp; $230.00 &gt; 6-48014 northern pacific GP-9 diesel engine&amp;nbsp; $240.00 &gt; 6-48017 nickel plate road diesel loco set&amp;nbsp; $255.00 &gt; 6-48301 denver and rio grand box car&amp;nbsp; $35.00 &gt; 6-48302 canadain pacific box car&amp;nbsp; $34.00 &gt; 6-48303 chessie box car&amp;nbsp; $38.00 &gt; 6-48304 burlington northern box car&amp;nbsp; $41.00 &gt; 6-48306 seaboard coast line box car&amp;nbsp; $34.00 &gt; 6-48307 western pacific box car&amp;nbsp; $34.00 &gt; 6-48316 bangor+aroostook refigerator car&amp;nbsp; $38.00 &gt; 6-48317 rath packing refigerator car&amp;nbsp; $37.00 &gt; 6-48318 AC gilbert box car&amp;nbsp; $47.00 &gt; 6-48320 nickel plate road box car&amp;nbsp; $34.00 &gt; 6-48322 new haven box car&amp;nbsp; $38.00 &gt; 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann&amp;nbsp; $43.00 &gt; 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann&amp;nbsp; $43.00 &gt; 6-48327 1997 AF christmas car&amp;nbsp; $44.00 &gt; 6-48328 900-197 great northern RY box car&amp;nbsp; $40.00 &gt; 6-48330 pennsylvania rail road box car&amp;nbsp; $38.00 &gt; 6-48332 missouri-kansas- texas box car&amp;nbsp; $31.00 &gt; 6-48333 bangor+aroostook box car&amp;nbsp; $38.00 &gt; 6-48334 seaboard box car&amp;nbsp; $25.00 &gt; 6-48340 2000 AF christmas box car&amp;nbsp; $70.00 &gt; 6-48342 2001 AF christmas box car&amp;nbsp; $55.00 &gt; 6-48343 AF great northern box car&amp;nbsp; $50.00 &gt; 6-48346 2002 AF christmas box car&amp;nbsp; $47.00 &gt; 6-48348 northern pacific box car&amp;nbsp; $55.00 &gt; 6-48349 disney goofy box car&amp;nbsp; $47.00 &gt; 6-48351 disney donald and daisy box car&amp;nbsp; $41.00 &gt; 6-48353 2003 AF christmas boxcar&amp;nbsp; $50.00 &gt; 6-48356 disney pluto box car&amp;nbsp; $42.00 &gt; 6-48357 disney winnie the pooh box car&amp;nbsp; $43.00 &gt; 6-48403 british columbia tank car&amp;nbsp; $85.00 &gt; 6-48404 US ARMY tank car&amp;nbsp; $36.00 &gt; 6-48406 celanese chemicals tank car&amp;nbsp; $37.00 &gt; 6-48408 625 sunoco single dome tank car&amp;nbsp; $38.00 &gt; 6-48413 diamond chemicals single dome tank car&amp;nbsp; $38.00 &gt; 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car&amp;nbsp; $245.00 &gt; 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car&amp;nbsp; $145.00 &gt; 6-48514 1046 gilbert intermodel TTux SET&amp;nbsp; $60.00 &gt; 6-48515 new haven flatcar with girder load&amp;nbsp; $50.00 &gt; 6-48516 627 southern pacific searchlight car&amp;nbsp; $47.00 &gt; 6-48524 AF bordens flat car&amp;nbsp; $50.00 &gt; 6-48525 AF burlington gondola&amp; nbsp; $48.00 &gt; 6-48525 AF burlington gondola&amp; nbsp; $48.00 &gt; 6-48529 new york central flat car with wheel load&amp;nbsp; $48.00 &gt; 6-48602 erie covered hopper&amp;nbsp; $28.00 &gt; 6-48605 burlington northern covered hopper&amp;nbsp; $30.00 &gt; 6-48609 deleware + hudson covered hopper&amp;nbsp; $29.00 &gt; 6-48610 nickel plate road covered hopper&amp;nbsp; $31.00 &gt; 6-48611 cargill 3 bay covered hopper&amp;nbsp; $37.00 &gt; 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper&amp;nbsp; $38.00 &gt; 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper&amp;nbsp; $38.00 &gt; 6-48619 AF u.p. hopper&amp;nbsp; $47.00 &gt; 6-48621 canadian national coverd hopper&amp;nbsp; $41.00 &gt; 6-48701 illinois central caboose&amp; nbsp; $31.00 &gt; 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose&amp; nbsp; $38.00 &gt; 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose&amp; nbsp; $38.00 &gt; 6-48710 conrail bay window caboose&amp; nbsp; $33.00 &gt; 6-48711 northern pacific bay window car&amp;nbsp; $40.00 &gt; 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose&amp; nbsp; $44.00 &gt; 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose&amp; nbsp; $44.00 &gt; 6-48714 990 southern pacific caboose&amp; nbsp; $43.00 &gt; 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF&amp;nbsp; $70.00 &gt; 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF&amp;nbsp; $70.00 &gt; 6-48801 union pacific reefer&amp;nbsp; $29.00 &gt; 6-48806 railway express agency refigerator car&amp;nbsp; $32.00 &gt; 6-48807 nickel plate road refigerator car&amp;nbsp; $30.00 &gt; 6-48933 missouri pacific dining car&amp;nbsp; $70.00 &gt; 6-48934 northern pacific dining car&amp;nbsp; $70.00 &gt; 6-48994 set of four AT&amp;amp;SF streamliner cars&amp;nbsp; $260 &gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbs p;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; 6-48945 995 AT&amp;amp;SF railway concho dining car&amp;nbsp; &gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbs p;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; 6-48946 996 AT&amp;amp;SF railway acoma coach &gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbs p;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; 6-48947 998 AT&amp;amp;SF railway vista canyon observation car &gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbs p;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp; nbsp; 6-48948 997 AT&amp;amp;SF railway navajo vista dome car &gt; 6-49011 union pacific moe &amp;amp; joe operating lumber car&amp;nbsp; $65.00 &gt; 6-49016 santa fe walking brakeman car&amp;nbsp; $60.00 &gt; 6-49805 gabe the lamplighter& amp; nbsp; $120.00 &gt; 6-49807 752 seaboard coaler&amp;nbsp; $180.00 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] &gt; [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49057	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Last day to make offers: NIB Lionel Flyer engines & cars for sale

As announced on Thursday, 6/5/08:   I am helping a lady sell her late father's collection on behalf of her mother.  They are almost certain that none of the cars on the following list have ever been out of the box.  The whole collection has been kept in an air conditioned outbuilding with a dehumidifier.  For reference purposes, I show 2008 Greenberg book values in the list below; these are not asking prices. There is also a lot of used Gilbert Flyer equipment in the collection.  She's working on the list and pictures of those.  Stay tuned! She's in no rush to sell so you can buy things in batches over the coming months.   If you want any of these cars or engines, email me an offer of price and the date you want to buy each item. Right now, she's out of town, so I will be accepting offers on these cars through June 14.  On June 15, I will begin notifying high bidders and confirm details of payment and delivery schedule.  I'll send the winning offers to her when she returns home June 18.   First and foremost, the two NASG Convention cars: 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car; 2008 Greenberg book value $245.00 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car;  Greenberg $145.00   Now the complete list:   4-8651 santa fe GP-20 diesel engine 8551  $210.00 4-9004 southern flat car with vans  $37.00 4-9100 gulf tank car  $55.00 4-9101 union oil tank car  $35.00 4-9101 union oil tank car  $35.00 4-9200 chessie hopper car  $46.00 4-9207 b+o covered hopper  $25.00 4-9208 ATSF covered hopper  $24.00 4-9209 new york central hopper car  $27.00 4-9209 new york central hopper car  $27.00 4-9300 burlington northern gondola  $22.00 4-9304 new york central gondola+canisters  $22.00 4-9400 chessie systen caboose  $28.00 4-9400 chessie systen caboose  $28.00 4-9404 new york central bay window caboose  $32.00 4-9405 santa fe bay window car  $36.00 4-9701 rock box car  $26.00 4-9701 rock box car  $26.00 4-9701 rock box car  $26.00 4-9706 new york central box car  $80.00 4-9707 rail box car  $49.00 4-9709 B+O box car  $29.00 4-9710 AT&SF box car  $30.00 4-9711 southern pacific box car  $28.00 4-9712 illinois central gulf  $31.00 4-9713 new york central box car  $36.00 4-9713 new york central box car  $36.00 6-48005 pennsylvania GP-9 diesel loco  $190.00 6-48013 conrail GP-7diesel engine  $230.00 6-48014 northern pacific GP-9 diesel engine  $240.00 6-48017 nickel plate road diesel loco set  $255.00 6-48301 denver and rio grand box car  $35.00 6-48302 canadain pacific box car  $34.00 6-48303 chessie box car  $38.00 6-48304 burlington northern box car  $41.00 6-48306 seaboard coast line box car  $34.00 6-48307 western pacific box car  $34.00 6-48316 bangor+aroostook refigerator car  $38.00 6-48317 rath packing refigerator car  $37.00 6-48318 AC gilbert box car  $47.00 6-48320 nickel plate road box car  $34.00 6-48322 new haven box car  $38.00 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann  $43.00 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann  $43.00 6-48327 1997 AF christmas car  $44.00 6-48328 900-197 great northern RY box car  $40.00 6-48330 pennsylvania rail road box car  $38.00 6-48332 missouri-kansas- texas box car  $31.00 6-48333 bangor+aroostook box car  $38.00 6-48334 seaboard box car  $25.00 6-48340 2000 AF christmas box car  $70.00 6-48342 2001 AF christmas box car  $55.00 6-48343 AF great northern box car  $50.00 6-48346 2002 AF christmas box car  $47.00 6-48348 northern pacific box car  $55.00 6-48349 disney goofy box car  $47.00 6-48351 disney donald and daisy box car  $41.00 6-48353 2003 AF christmas boxcar  $50.00 6-48356 disney pluto box car  $42.00 6-48357 disney winnie the pooh box car  $43.00 6-48403 british columbia tank car  $85.00 6-48404 US ARMY tank car  $36.00 6-48406 celanese chemicals tank car  $37.00 6-48408 625 sunoco single dome tank car  $38.00 6-48413 diamond chemicals single dome tank car  $38.00 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car  $245.00 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car  $145.00 6-48514 1046 gilbert intermodel TTux SET  $60.00 6-48515 new haven flatcar with girder load  $50.00 6-48516 627 southern pacific searchlight car  $47.00 6-48524 AF bordens flat car  $50.00 6-48525 AF burlington gondola  $48.00 6-48525 AF burlington gondola  $48.00 6-48529 new york central flat car with wheel load  $48.00 6-48602 erie covered hopper  $28.00 6-48605 burlington northern covered hopper  $30.00 6-48609 deleware + hudson covered hopper  $29.00 6-48610 nickel plate road covered hopper  $31.00 6-48611 cargill 3 bay covered hopper  $37.00 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper  $38.00 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper  $38.00 6-48619 AF u.p. hopper  $47.00 6-48621 canadian national coverd hopper  $41.00 6-48701 illinois central caboose  $31.00 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose  $38.00 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose  $38.00 6-48710 conrail bay window caboose  $33.00 6-48711 northern pacific bay window car  $40.00 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose  $44.00 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose  $44.00 6-48714 990 southern pacific caboose  $43.00 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF  $70.00 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF  $70.00 6-48801 union pacific reefer  $29.00 6-48806 railway express agency refigerator car  $32.00 6-48807 nickel plate road refigerator car  $30.00 6-48933 missouri pacific dining car  $70.00 6-48934 northern pacific dining car  $70.00 6-48994 set of four AT&SF streamliner cars  $260                    6-48945 995 AT&SF railway concho dining car                     6-48946 996 AT&SF railway acoma coach                    6-48947 998 AT&SF railway vista canyon observation car                    6-48948 997 AT&SF railway navajo vista dome car 6-49011 union pacific moe & joe operating lumber car  $65.00 6-49016 santa fe walking brakeman car  $60.00 6-49805 gabe the lamplighter  $120.00 6-49807 752 seaboard coaler  $180.00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49058	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Closing Our Business

My Dad is gone, but mom is 92 now. The other kids didn't do any thing in the way of help for mom like I did. I would go see her two to three time a week, and fix things at her home. Mom is now in a home, and there is no way she could be with me. She is not all there, and can't even say who I am at times. Now the rest of the kids have taken over the money end of it, and see to her needs. I am the youngest. I'm fifty two now. I know what you are doing is for the best for them. Take care! Clayton --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Keith Blanchard <pinecanyonrr@...> wrote: > From: Keith Blanchard <pinecanyonrr@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Closing Our Business > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 8:39 AM > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich > <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > > > Keith, do you know if you had some family out here in > Portland > Oregon? As a kid I lived next to an older family with your > last name. > We lived in the Laurehurst area of Portland - Glesan St. > > My family is in the east. Don't know of any in the west > side of the > country. > We are taking care of my wife's parents. Thankfully > they live just a > few blocks away. One of us is there 24 hours. We take > shifts. They > are in their 90s and Dad is totally deaf, 90% blind and > very > demanding. Don't know what we would do with 4 of them. > > With my time here at our house, I would like to play trains > for a > nice change. > > A BIG Thank You to everyone for your kind support. > > Hopefully someone will continue the tradition in the not so > far > future. I will pass my ideas file along to the new owner. > > Stay well, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49060	From: hobo47203	Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Hoosier S Gaugers Summer Event - Location Change

There has been a change of plans regarding the Hoosier S Gaugers Summer Event open house At the Columbus Area Railroad Club room. Due to flooding that occurred over the past weekend and althought clean up efforts have gone very well we have decided to move the open house to the home of Doug Evans in Batesville on Saturday, June 21. The time is the same 12 until 4. we will not be serving food at the event this as I don't want to make a mess in Doug and Gail's home. If you have not been to Dougs place it is a railroad club all it's own! Doug has a point-to- point S shelf layout and a large S layout with 54" radius curves running indoors on DCC. The S modules will be set up and operating in the garage. Doug has dual DC/DCC capability on the modular layout. You're welcome to bring something to run, if you like. If you are planning on attending and want directions please send an e- mail to Doug Evans at gdevans55@... and Doug will send you a map.ou may also contact me Bob Morrison at hobo47203@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49061	From: Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest	Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Transformers

Can a LIONEL ZW 275 WATT TRAINMASTER TRANSFORMER be used to run post war American Flyer 2 rail trains? I know it's powerful and it looks sharp. But would cause any damage to my American flyer trains? Is it just wiring it to the track corrctly or could there be problems? Thank you all for your comments! Collen and Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49062	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Transformers

It will work fine. I have used one on my layout for many years. Probably the best of the "old" AC transformers ever made. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 06/14/2008 10:19:11 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, colleenandrob@... writes: Can a LIONEL ZW 275 WATT TRAINMASTER TRANSFORMER be used to run post war American Flyer 2 rail trains? I know it's powerful and it looks sharp. But would cause any damage to my American flyer trains? Is it just wiring it to the track corrctly or could there be problems? Thank you all for your comments! Collen and Rob **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49063	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: SHS Open House: Thanks for the hospitality!

First -- if you live close enough, have not yet been there, and still have time to get there yet today, I recommend the S Helper Service Open House. It's open again today -- hours are 10am-4pm. A few of us from New England traveled to Cliffwood, NJ yesterday for the annual open house and as usual we had a blast! Our thanks to Mike, Don, Robin, Bill, and the all the rest of S Helper crew for all of their hospitality. Great & plentiful food (thanks Mike et.al.!) and of course the Robin's well established "scratch & dent" sale, the sample sale, bargains founds here and there, clinics, a loose goose, and of course the large SHS inventory to help outfit our model railroads. And it was really nice to get a chance to visit with friends and talk about trains...It's always amazing to me the distance folks travel to attend (although I suspect John Prior from the UK will once again get the award for the person that came the most distance to attend). Also want to make a special note about the fine hospitality from Jeff Wilson at Hoquat Hobbies. Jeff was around at the SHS Open House and then opened his shop in nearby Dunellen. It's amazing the S scale items you can find in Jeff's shop. So if you making the trip to NJ, don't forget to stop by Jeff's place. Although from New England making it as a day trip makes for a long day, we always come home thinking about how much we really enjoyed it! Thanks to all! Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49064	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/15/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 15, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49065	From: John Degnan	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: 329 SAL STEAM Photos Now ONLINE!!!

I posted about these photos about a year ago but haven't had time to put links to them on a page of my web site until recently. I have been collecting these for about 10 years... most of which were found on ebay. There are now a grand total of... 329 ... Seaboard Air Line steam locomotive photos on my web site and ready for viewing on the following page : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/unclassifiedsteamphotos.htm I will be classifying these and putting the links to them on the respective Roster pages as time permits, but they can ALL be viewed for the time being on the above, temporary page. Enjoy. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49066	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Transformers

----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Auerbach Can a LIONEL ZW 275 WATT TRAINMASTER TRANSFORMER be used to run post war American Flyer 2 rail trains? > > > > > > > > > > I think it would work fine, with one provision. If I were going to do this I would install an AC volt-meter in parallel with the wires going to the track, and don't crank her up over 15 volts. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49067	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Prewar talking station

I am in the process of getting my prewar talking Mystic station going using the roof and for the moment,the record,from my tatty postwar S station as I have just picked up a better station for the S layout. I am actually going to use the prewar brown and cream station on my Standard gauge layout,where scale was never a consideration.Two things - does anyone have a prewar record they could sell me. I will send US dollars for the cost plus postage down here to Australia. Secondly what color was the roof. Green or red? BTW please don't be silly enough to pay a buck each for replacement needles- you can buy a box of 50 or 100 from a vintage phonograph supplier for three or four dollars. They were all only supposed to be used once anyway but you can get about a dozen plays safely out of one needle on the small Flyer record. Thanks Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49068	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station

Alistair-   I have three of them of the separate designs. They all have green crackle finish roofs. The paint scheme is lemon yellow with brown trim. The earliest have Erector parts in the mechanism. The latest resemble the postwar version. I also could use a spare record. Thanks for the tip regarding the needles.   Bill Drake Back in Virginia for the weekend. --- On Sun, 6/15/08, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Prewar talking station To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 1:58 AM I am in the process of getting my prewar talking Mystic station going using the roof and for the moment,the record,from my tatty postwar S station as I have just picked up a better station for the S layout. I am actually going to use the prewar brown and cream station on my Standard gauge layout,where scale was never a consideration. Two things - does anyone have a prewar record they could sell me. I will send US dollars for the cost plus postage down here to Australia. Secondly what color was the roof. Green or red? BTW please don't be silly enough to pay a buck each for replacement needles- you can buy a box of 50 or 100 from a vintage phonograph supplier for three or four dollars. They were all only supposed to be used once anyway but you can get about a dozen plays safely out of one needle on the small Flyer record. Thanks Alistair [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49069	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station

Thanks Bill. That was the answer I needed - I can use the roof off my spare S gauge. Regards Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Drake Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Prewar talking station Alistair-   I have three of them of the separate designs. They all have green crackle finish roofs. The paint scheme is lemon yellow with brown trim. The earliest have Erector parts in the mechanism. The latest resemble the postwar version. I also could use a spare record. Thanks for the tip regarding the needles.   Bill Drake Back in Virginia for the weekend. --- On Sun, 6/15/08, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. <mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au> com.au> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. <mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au> com.au> Subject: [S-Trains] Prewar talking station To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 1:58 AM I am in the process of getting my prewar talking Mystic station going using the roof and for the moment,the record,from my tatty postwar S station as I have just picked up a better station for the S layout. I am actually going to use the prewar brown and cream station on my Standard gauge layout,where scale was never a consideration. Two things - does anyone have a prewar record they could sell me. I will send US dollars for the cost plus postage down here to Australia. Secondly what color was the roof. Green or red? BTW please don't be silly enough to pay a buck each for replacement needles- you can buy a box of 50 or 100 from a vintage phonograph supplier for three or four dollars. They were all only supposed to be used once anyway but you can get about a dozen plays safely out of one needle on the small Flyer record. Thanks Alistair [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1503 - Release Date: 6/14/2008 6:02 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49070	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: 329 SAL STEAM Photos Now ONLINE!!!

Hi John, Thanks for the link. I looked up the # 329 you have in here, and that is one I am bringing back to life. AF pre war #329 with the same tender too. yes I'm in to a little of all the AF stuff. Thanks!!! Clayton --- On Sat, 6/14/08, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: > From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] 329 SAL STEAM Photos Now ONLINE!!! > To: "WRIGHT TRAK MODELS : Gary Wright" <Wrighttrak@...>, "Warren Calloway" <wcalloway@...>, "Stephen Newsome" <s-newsome@...>, "POST : RPM-forum Group" <RPM-forum@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : ACL-SAL-SCLmodeler Group" <ACL-SAL-SCLmodeler@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S-Trains Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) SSPM Group" <SSPM@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S-Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "Paul (ACL/SAL Historic Society) Faulk" <faulklp@...>, "Mike Sherbak" <msherbak11@...>, "Lon Coone" <tlkahc89@...>, "Larry (SAL Photos) Goolsby" <LGoolsby@...>, "Ken Huffman" <kenhuff@...>, "John Golden" <golden1014@...>, "Justin May" <jmay59@...>, "Jim King" <jimking3@...>, "Frischkorn : Harold Grant" <hgrant@...>, "Family : Bill & Lenora Crawford" <nanspop@...>, "Dennis Kilbride" <Engineerden@...>, "Denis Blake" <dblake7@...>, "Jeff Brewster" <brewsterjeff@...>, "Skip Jennings" <skip@...>, "Angie Chu" <angiechu@...>, "Stan Konter" <stan@...>, "Bill Linskey" <linskeyjr1@...>, "Dick Scott" <mtnmomma33@...>, "Frank Jones" <mbfajones@...>, "Bob Wight" <Aceon18@...>, "Bruce Smith" <blackhillz@...>, "Jeff Boutin" <jefboutin@...>, "John Blair" <johnboy11171@...>, "Lou Sommers" <sommers-3@...>, "Peter Gammon" <petesjoy3@...>, "Mell Wallman" <melvinwallman@...>, "Sean Brandon" <sbrandon1978@...>, "Bill Lawrence" <flasheepdog@...>, "Richard Parker" <oldscouter1@...>, "Bob Harpe" <rharpe@...>, "Anthony "Skip" Bowen" <abowen@...> > Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 7:31 PM > I posted about these photos about a year ago but haven't > had time to put links to them on a page of my web site until > recently. I have been collecting these for about 10 > years... most of which were found on ebay. There are now a > grand total of... > > 329 > > ... Seaboard Air Line steam locomotive photos on my web > site and ready for viewing on the following page : > > http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/unclassifiedsteamphotos.htm > > I will be classifying these and putting the links to them > on the respective Roster pages as time permits, but they > can ALL be viewed for the time being on the above, > temporary page. > > Enjoy. > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49071	From: clayton deich	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station

Hi Alistair, how can you tell the age - type of record you have? What on the older ones? I picked up some older one with some parts some time back. Well there here some where.... They are the last thing I would be looking for right now. I think Maggie the dog plays it to go to sleep with at night. Have you looked up that wire die for me on that Bell ringer???? I know you tired Clayton --- On Sat, 6/14/08, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: > From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Prewar talking station > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 10:58 PM > I am in the process of getting my prewar talking Mystic > station going > using the roof and for the moment,the record,from my tatty > postwar S > station as I have just picked up a better station for the S > layout. I > am actually going to use the prewar brown and cream station > on my > Standard gauge layout,where scale was never a > consideration.Two things - > does anyone have a prewar record they could sell me. I > will send US > dollars for the cost plus postage down here to Australia. > Secondly what > color was the roof. Green or red? BTW please don't be > silly enough to > pay a buck each for replacement needles- you can buy a box > of 50 or 100 > from a vintage phonograph supplier for three or four > dollars. They were > all only supposed to be used once anyway but you can get > about a dozen > plays safely out of one needle on the small Flyer record. > Thanks > Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49072	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station

My prewar station has a black roof -----Original Message----- From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 8:24 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Prewar talking station Alistair-   I have three of them of the separate designs. They all have green crackle finish roofs. The paint scheme is lemon yellow with brown trim. The earliest have Erector parts in the mechanism. The latest resemble the postwar version. I also could use a spare record. Thanks for the tip regarding the needles.   Bill Drake Back in Virginia for the weekend. --- On Sun, 6/15/08, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Prewar talking station To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 1:58 AM I am in the process of getting my prewar talking Mystic station going using the roof and for the moment,the record,from my tatty postwar S station as I have just picked up a better station for the S layout. I am actually going to use the prewar brown and cream station on my Standard gauge layout,where scale was never a consideration. Two things - does anyone have a prewar record they could sell me. I will send US dollars for the cost plus postage down here to Australia. Secondly what color was the roof. Green or red? BTW please don't be silly enough to pay a buck each for replacement needles- you can buy a box of 50 or 100 from a vintage phonograph supplier for three or four dollars. They were all only supposed to be used once anyway but you can get about a dozen plays safely out of one needle on the small Flyer record. Thanks Alistair [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49073	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/15/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49074	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station

Mine has a blue roof. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tomminil@... wrote: > > My prewar station has a black roof > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 8:24 am > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Prewar talking station > > > > Alistair- > >   > > I have three of them of the separate designs. They all have green > crackle finish roofs. The paint scheme is lemon yellow with brown trim. > The earliest have Erector parts in the mechanism. The latest resemble > the postwar version. I also could use a spare record. Thanks for the > tip regarding the needles. > >   > > Bill Drake > > Back in Virginia for the weekend. > > > > --- On Sun, 6/15/08, Alistair McAllister alizoo@... > wrote: > > > > From: Alistair McAllister alizoo@... > > Subject: [S-Trains] Prewar talking station > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 1:58 AM > > > > I am in the process of getting my prewar talking Mystic station going > > using the roof and for the moment,the record,from my tatty postwar S > > station as I have just picked up a better station for the S layout. I > > am actually going to use the prewar brown and cream station on my > > Standard gauge layout,where scale was never a consideration. Two things > - > > does anyone have a prewar record they could sell me. I will send US > > dollars for the cost plus postage down here to Australia. Secondly what > > color was the roof. Green or red? BTW please don't be silly enough to > > pay a buck each for replacement needles- you can buy a box of 50 or 100 > > from a vintage phonograph supplier for three or four dollars. They were > > all only supposed to be used once anyway but you can get about a dozen > > plays safely out of one needle on the small Flyer record. Thanks > > Alistair > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49075	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Any one want to sell some AM turnouts?

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49076	From: mike rosz	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Last day to make offers: NIB Lionel Flyer engines & cars for sal

wish I could go direct and not through s-trains. WHAT IS &absp and   what is a set? 6-48017 NKP $175.55 + $15 PER CAR gp9 NP 6-48014 $170.12 [not if I get 48017] 6-48320 $20.21 NKP box 6-48408 625 Sunoco $21.15 6-48430 200 XMAS car $34.22 6-48327 1997 XMAS car $31.22 My wife of some 21 years passed away last October in Jonesboro AR and I am living in IL now. she put up with my trains, and wires and my sloppy fingers [ a Ham Radio jargon] Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: As announced on Thursday, 6/5/08:   I am helping a lady sell her late father's collection on behalf of her mother.  They are almost certain that none of the cars on the following list have ever been out of the box.  The whole collection has been kept in an air conditioned outbuilding with a dehumidifier.  For reference purposes, I show 2008 Greenberg book values in the list below; these are not asking prices. There is also a lot of used Gilbert Flyer equipment in the collection.  She's working on the list and pictures of those.  Stay tuned! She's in no rush to sell so you can buy things in batches over the coming months.   If you want any of these cars or engines, email me an offer of price and the date you want to buy each item. Right now, she's out of town, so I will be accepting offers on these cars through June 14.  On June 15, I will begin notifying high bidders and confirm details of payment and delivery schedule.  I'll send the winning offers to her when she returns home June 18.   First and foremost, the two NASG Convention cars: 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car; 2008 Greenberg book value $245.00 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car;  Greenberg $145.00   Now the complete list:   4-8651 santa fe GP-20 diesel engine 8551  $210.00 4-9004 southern flat car with vans  $37.00 4-9100 gulf tank car  $55.00 4-9101 union oil tank car  $35.00 4-9101 union oil tank car  $35.00 4-9200 chessie hopper car  $46.00 4-9207 b+o covered hopper  $25.00 4-9208 ATSF covered hopper  $24.00 4-9209 new york central hopper car  $27.00 4-9209 new york central hopper car  $27.00 4-9300 burlington northern gondola  $22.00 4-9304 new york central gondola+canisters  $22.00 4-9400 chessie systen caboose  $28.00 4-9400 chessie systen caboose  $28.00 4-9404 new york central bay window caboose  $32.00 4-9405 santa fe bay window car  $36.00 4-9701 rock box car  $26.00 4-9701 rock box car  $26.00 4-9701 rock box car  $26.00 4-9706 new york central box car  $80.00 4-9707 rail box car  $49.00 4-9709 B+O box car  $29.00 4-9710 AT&SF box car  $30.00 4-9711 southern pacific box car  $28.00 4-9712 illinois central gulf  $31.00 4-9713 new york central box car  $36.00 4-9713 new york central box car  $36.00 6-48005 pennsylvania GP-9 diesel loco  $190.00 6-48013 conrail GP-7diesel engine  $230.00 6-48014 northern pacific GP-9 diesel engine  $240.00 6-48017 nickel plate road diesel loco set  $255.00 6-48301 denver and rio grand box car  $35.00 6-48302 canadain pacific box car  $34.00 6-48303 chessie box car  $38.00 6-48304 burlington northern box car  $41.00 6-48306 seaboard coast line box car  $34.00 6-48307 western pacific box car  $34.00 6-48316 bangor+aroostook refigerator car  $38.00 6-48317 rath packing refigerator car  $37.00 6-48318 AC gilbert box car  $47.00 6-48320 nickel plate road box car  $34.00 6-48322 new haven box car  $38.00 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann  $43.00 6-48324 commemorative box car 50th ann  $43.00 6-48327 1997 AF christmas car  $44.00 6-48328 900-197 great northern RY box car  $40.00 6-48330 pennsylvania rail road box car  $38.00 6-48332 missouri-kansas- texas box car  $31.00 6-48333 bangor+aroostook box car  $38.00 6-48334 seaboard box car  $25.00 6-48340 2000 AF christmas box car  $70.00 6-48342 2001 AF christmas box car  $55.00 6-48343 AF great northern box car  $50.00 6-48346 2002 AF christmas box car  $47.00 6-48348 northern pacific box car  $55.00 6-48349 disney goofy box car  $47.00 6-48351 disney donald and daisy box car  $41.00 6-48353 2003 AF christmas boxcar  $50.00 6-48356 disney pluto box car  $42.00 6-48357 disney winnie the pooh box car  $43.00 6-48403 british columbia tank car  $85.00 6-48404 US ARMY tank car  $36.00 6-48406 celanese chemicals tank car  $37.00 6-48408 625 sunoco single dome tank car  $38.00 6-48413 diamond chemicals single dome tank car  $38.00 6-48471 1989 NASG convention car  $245.00 6-48472 1990 NASG commemorative car  $145.00 6-48514 1046 gilbert intermodel TTux SET  $60.00 6-48515 new haven flatcar with girder load  $50.00 6-48516 627 southern pacific searchlight car  $47.00 6-48524 AF bordens flat car  $50.00 6-48525 AF burlington gondola  $48.00 6-48525 AF burlington gondola  $48.00 6-48529 new york central flat car with wheel load  $48.00 6-48602 erie covered hopper  $28.00 6-48605 burlington northern covered hopper  $30.00 6-48609 deleware + hudson covered hopper  $29.00 6-48610 nickel plate road covered hopper  $31.00 6-48611 cargill 3 bay covered hopper  $37.00 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper  $38.00 6-48612 950 ADM three bay covered hopper  $38.00 6-48619 AF u.p. hopper  $47.00 6-48621 canadian national coverd hopper  $41.00 6-48701 illinois central caboose  $31.00 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose  $38.00 6-48705 pennsylvania caboose  $38.00 6-48710 conrail bay window caboose  $33.00 6-48711 northern pacific bay window car  $40.00 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose  $44.00 6-48713 nickel plate road caboose  $44.00 6-48714 990 southern pacific caboose  $43.00 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF  $70.00 6-48721 AF CBS SQ WDW - SF  $70.00 6-48801 union pacific reefer  $29.00 6-48806 railway express agency refigerator car  $32.00 6-48807 nickel plate road refigerator car  $30.00 6-48933 missouri pacific dining car  $70.00 6-48934 northern pacific dining car  $70.00 6-48994 set of four AT&SF streamliner cars  $260                    6-48945 995 AT&SF railway concho dining car                     6-48946 996 AT&SF railway acoma coach                    6-48947 998 AT&SF railway vista canyon observation car                    6-48948 997 AT&SF railway navajo vista dome car 6-49011 union pacific moe & joe operating lumber car  $65.00 6-49016 santa fe walking brakeman car  $60.00 6-49805 gabe the lamplighter  $120.00 6-49807 752 seaboard coaler  $180.00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49077	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: prewar talking stations

Hi gang, The "mystic" signs on the green crackled roofs are painted brown. You can lift a nicely restored version (done by me) of the announcement off of my website. Look through the trains section to find audio and trains. You'd get louder & more clear reproduction if you stashed the file into some kind of MP3 player & stuck a speaker within the structure. The disks are shellac pressings: not plastic. Even by the time that the A-Koostikins were issued, ordinary steel needles were far below state of the art for phonographic playback. At the very least, Gilbert could've & should've specified the use of tungsten needles. (Victor called theirs Tungs-tone). The steel ones only were supposed to be used nominally, once per 12" disk, which typically ran 3.5 minutes. So theoretically, one needle could've played the AF disk (duration about 27 seconds) 8 times without 'abusing' it. The basis of the concept of using the steel needle was to have the abrasives that were intentionally mixed into the shellac (& other components) grind the needle during the first few rotations (containing no sound) that that it would correspond to the shape of a given side's grooves. When the station was introduced it was about 9 years before G.E. developed the first practical, commercially successful compact, lightly tracking high fidelity phono cartridge (at least here in the USA). Thusly Gilbert could've produced a technically far superior version, but the price would've been a killer. In comparison, up to the late 1920s Edison's disk and cylinder machines used very long lasting ('permanent' not applicable) diamond and sapphire styli. Other brands (e.g. Pathe) of cylinders that used similar styli had been discontinued circa 1913. Pathe's disks that used sapphires I think, were made until circa 1920. The most extreme requirement of special needles was for flexible disks that Columbia made briefly, during 1906 I think. they had to be played with GOLD needles: I kid you not. They were known as Marconi Velvet-tone. Their labels featured a portrait of the great radio inventor. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49078	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: prewar talking stations

Pretty accurate history Art. Crystal pickups were introduced at about that time but would have required a one tube amplifier/rectifier and some bulk - and expense. BTW the announcements played on the station down here in Oz have a slow drawl to them as the 60 cycle synchronous motor runs slower (record speed around 65rpm) on our 50 cycle supply. I had thought of using an old solid state amplifier and feeding a 60 cycle signal into it, using the output (voltage controlled by the volume control) to drive the motor - but its too much trouble and complication. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Art Shifrin Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:10 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] prewar talking stations Hi gang, The "mystic" signs on the green crackled roofs are painted brown. You can lift a nicely restored version (done by me) of the announcement off of my website. Look through the trains section to find audio and trains. You'd get louder & more clear reproduction if you stashed the file into some kind of MP3 player & stuck a speaker within the structure. The disks are shellac pressings: not plastic. Even by the time that the A-Koostikins were issued, ordinary steel needles were far below state of the art for phonographic playback. At the very least, Gilbert could've & should've specified the use of tungsten needles. (Victor called theirs Tungs-tone). The steel ones only were supposed to be used nominally, once per 12" disk, which typically ran 3.5 minutes. So theoretically, one needle could've played the AF disk (duration about 27 seconds) 8 times without 'abusing' it. The basis of the concept of using the steel needle was to have the abrasives that were intentionally mixed into the shellac (& other components) grind the needle during the first few rotations (containing no sound) that that it would correspond to the shape of a given side's grooves. When the station was introduced it was about 9 years before G.E. developed the first practical, commercially successful compact, lightly tracking high fidelity phono cartridge (at least here in the USA). Thusly Gilbert could've produced a technically far superior version, but the price would've been a killer. In comparison, up to the late 1920s Edison's disk and cylinder machines used very long lasting ('permanent' not applicable) diamond and sapphire styli. Other brands (e.g. Pathe) of cylinders that used similar styli had been discontinued circa 1913. Pathe's disks that used sapphires I think, were made until circa 1920. The most extreme requirement of special needles was for flexible disks that Columbia made briefly, during 1906 I think. they had to be played with GOLD needles: I kid you not. They were known as Marconi Velvet-tone. Their labels featured a portrait of the great radio inventor. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1504 - Release Date: 6/15/2008 5:52 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49079	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: prewar talking stations

BTW I use brass spade trailer needles designed for use with the early varnish and aluminium transcription discs for best results. And I hope you have good soap to wash your mouth out with LOL. Substituting MP3 technology indeed! That would be like putting can motors and electronic e-units in our locos! Might be technically more refined - but not Gilbert! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Art Shifrin Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:10 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] prewar talking stations Hi gang, The "mystic" signs on the green crackled roofs are painted brown. You can lift a nicely restored version (done by me) of the announcement off of my website. Look through the trains section to find audio and trains. You'd get louder & more clear reproduction if you stashed the file into some kind of MP3 player & stuck a speaker within the structure. The disks are shellac pressings: not plastic. Even by the time that the A-Koostikins were issued, ordinary steel needles were far below state of the art for phonographic playback. At the very least, Gilbert could've & should've specified the use of tungsten needles. (Victor called theirs Tungs-tone). The steel ones only were supposed to be used nominally, once per 12" disk, which typically ran 3.5 minutes. So theoretically, one needle could've played the AF disk (duration about 27 seconds) 8 times without 'abusing' it. The basis of the concept of using the steel needle was to have the abrasives that were intentionally mixed into the shellac (& other components) grind the needle during the first few rotations (containing no sound) that that it would correspond to the shape of a given side's grooves. When the station was introduced it was about 9 years before G.E. developed the first practical, commercially successful compact, lightly tracking high fidelity phono cartridge (at least here in the USA). Thusly Gilbert could've produced a technically far superior version, but the price would've been a killer. In comparison, up to the late 1920s Edison's disk and cylinder machines used very long lasting ('permanent' not applicable) diamond and sapphire styli. Other brands (e.g. Pathe) of cylinders that used similar styli had been discontinued circa 1913. Pathe's disks that used sapphires I think, were made until circa 1920. The most extreme requirement of special needles was for flexible disks that Columbia made briefly, during 1906 I think. they had to be played with GOLD needles: I kid you not. They were known as Marconi Velvet-tone. Their labels featured a portrait of the great radio inventor. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1504 - Release Date: 6/15/2008 5:52 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49080	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: AF Action Car

I had Steve of S'nS' trains convert my first AF action car to DCC. It is wonderful. The car works anywhere on the track with no outside third rail. The car was the repro of the Erie Action car, that Lionel put out a few years ago. I sent to Steve some more action cars, a lumber Joe and Moe, repro, log dump, repro and a AF Milk Car. I am looking forward for those being converted over to DCC. Anyone with S scale DCC and you would like to have a action car on your layout, send them to Steve. Keep him busy! Heading out to Pittsburgh Wednesday for a baseball tour, that includes, Washington PA, Altoona, again and State College, PA. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49081	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: AF Action Car

With the DCC system, the action cars can deliver product without stopping, like at maybe 100 mph. Collect the money first for freight services, then Shoot and run, is the motto of my RR. Who cares about damages, they got the product delivered on time. And when they deliver the pieces of wood, Joe and Moe can yell, "Are you board!?" Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49082	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Securing Plastic Windows

Greetings! Have repainted an "old" 630 caboose to go with the circus flatcars. Need to install the plastic window film .... what adhesive has worked well for you? Thanks for your thoughts! Charlie in we(s)t Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49083	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Securing plastic windows

I usually use a dab of Walthers "Goo" or rubber cement from the office supply store. A bit messy (especially the Goo) but removable later if necessary and doesn't "haze" the plastic. I also use the clear plastic from various "blister packs" because it's free and plentiful. Well, you were going to throw it away anyway, why not use it? Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49084	From: The LANIERs	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Securing Plastic Windows

I use elmer's paper glue; it doesn't distort the plastic and can easily be removed if desired. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: charlie and edith To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Securing Plastic Windows Greetings! Have repainted an "old" 630 caboose to go with the circus flatcars. Need to install the plastic window film .... what adhesive has worked well for you? Thanks for your thoughts! Charlie in we(s)t Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49085	From: Trains	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Securing Plastic Windows

Try using watch crystal super glue...it does not attack the plastic and leaves no haze or fogging. There is a brand that runs all the time on ebay under the model rr things... I believe it is called Hypocement or??? red and black small long box...stuff is great for all kinds of delicate items and very strong. Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49086	From: Al	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Gilbert HO train set for sale

Hi All, I am selling off all of my Gilbert HO collection. I will be posting items for sale oevery few days. The first item for Sale is a Gilbert HO train set in Original box. VG condition. All couplers intact. Set #30710 American Flyer HO freight "The Rambler" Contains: # 31036 Erie 0-6-0 Engine (runs really good)# 33819 NYC cattle car w/Hay-- jector + bales of hay# 33820 AF tie--jector car with ties# 33618 Erie Caboose# 32663 Pike-Master HO Transformer, 12V DC/16V AC14 sections of plastic Pike Master track, 12 curve, 2 straight (one is an auto- uncoupler).Original box with cutouts for cars, track, & transformer. A photo of this set can be found in the new American Flyer Trains book by David Doyle on page 242, bottom left. Come on up and see it in person.PRICE: $140 + shipping. Free Insurance. Email me offline at: alsflyer@... Thanks, Al Rawdon Remember ... GILBERT HO IS THE WAY TO GO!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49087	From: velapoldi	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: prewar talking stations

Hey, all this talk of "not Gilbert". I think if Gilbert were producing trains today, he would have all these "innovations", so one would think the man who lived in paradise would have embraced today's technologies!! regards Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) ps I know that some of the comments are made with tongue in cheek. Alistair McAllister wrote: > > BTW I use brass spade trailer needles designed for use with the early > varnish and aluminium transcription discs for best results. And I hope you > have good soap to wash your mouth out with LOL. Substituting MP3 > technology > indeed! That would be like putting can motors and electronic e-units > in our > locos! Might be technically more refined - but not Gilbert! Alistair > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf > Of Art Shifrin > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:10 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] prewar talking stations > > Hi gang, > > The "mystic" signs on the green crackled roofs are painted brown. > > You can lift a nicely restored version (done by me) of the announcement > off of my website. Look through the trains section to find audio and > trains. > You'd get louder & more clear reproduction if you stashed the file into > some kind of MP3 player & stuck a speaker within the structure. > > The disks are shellac pressings: not plastic. Even by the time that the > A-Koostikins were issued, ordinary steel needles were far below state of > the art for phonographic playback. At the very least, Gilbert could've > & should've specified the use of tungsten needles. (Victor called theirs > Tungs-tone). The steel ones only were supposed to be used nominally, > once per 12" disk, which typically ran 3.5 minutes. So theoretically, > one needle could've played the AF disk (duration about 27 seconds) 8 > times without 'abusing' it. > > The basis of the concept of using the steel needle was to have the > abrasives that were intentionally mixed into the shellac (& other > components) grind the needle during the first few rotations (containing > no sound) that that it would correspond to the shape of a given side's > grooves. When the station was introduced it was about 9 years before > G.E. developed the first practical, commercially successful compact, > lightly tracking high fidelity phono cartridge (at least here in the > USA). Thusly Gilbert could've produced a technically far superior > version, but the price would've been a killer. > > In comparison, up to the late 1920s Edison's disk and cylinder machines > used very long lasting ('permanent' not applicable) diamond and sapphire > styli. Other brands (e.g. Pathe) of cylinders that used similar styli > had been discontinued circa 1913. Pathe's disks that used sapphires I > think, were made until circa 1920. > > The most extreme requirement of special needles was for flexible disks > that Columbia made briefly, during 1906 I think. they had to be played > with GOLD needles: I kid you not. They were known as Marconi > Velvet-tone. Their labels featured a portrait of the great radio > inventor. > > Shiffy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1504 - Release Date: 6/15/2008 > 5:52 PM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49088	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Securing Plastic Windows

I use Loctite super glue products - - regular, gel, and goof-proof (longer setting) applied with a Microbrush (green, yellow or white depending on the size of the job). For silhouette type inserts "paint" the glue with a Microbrush onto the inside area of the shell around but not right to the edge of the window(s). For cut-to-fit individual window panes like in early AM F-unit kits, etc, get the pane, number board, etc. first to fit well (they practically stay in place by themselves if you go about this patiently sanding or shaving The a bit here, then a bit there). If necessary use a small strip of blue painters masking tape to help hold the window in place. Then from the inside using a white Microbrush put some glue just off from the edge of where the pane meets the shell and drag the glue over to the crack between them. The glue will flow in and fill in without getting on the pane itself. Do a bottom edge then top edge then side edges if you want to. The key thing to remember is use the glue sparingly and take your time. Change the Microbrush out if/when the tip dries too hard. Use regular, goof-proof, or gel depending on your need for the glue to find its way into a crack and/or your confidence in placing it right the first time.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49089	From: William Porter	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: 760 Crossing Bulbs and Knurled Nuts

Hi Folks, I have encountered a problem in replacing the light bulbs in 760 crossing signals. The small-diameter bulbs I find do not screw all the way to the bottom of the socket to make the center contact. There are a couple of bulbs in my possession that have had extra blobs of solder applied to the center of the base. Those work, but seem pretty kludge-like to me. A bunch of the small-diameter bulbs I have are marked with the same number. Some work and some don't reach the bottom. Portlines offers a part: ( PA8999R (ID: 275) BULB: 1447 SOLID-RED 18-volt Bumper; Xngs; Switches (undersized). ). I have not yet bought any of those. Where do those of you with more Flyer Accessory experience than me get bulbs that will fit and work for sure? Has anyone tried the LED replacements offered by a few vendors? I have found a couple of sources for the 4-40 knurled nuts that fit the accessory connection posts. None of those guys is a model railroad vendor. Before I send a small amount of business away from our community, does anyone have actual experience buying these things? The train shed is coming along. There is power, insulation, A/C and interior paneling. I have a sketch of the track plan and most of the track on the shelf. Sadly, there is now a 6-month (or so) delay for another project. Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49090	From: piccu56	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station

The roofs were the standard American Flyer Accessory Green with BROWN signs with white lettering. Some very early stations did not have the signs at all or the slots in the roof to mount them. These early roofs also had a more square chimney. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> wrote: > > I am in the process of getting my prewar talking Mystic station going > using the roof and for the moment,the record,from my tatty postwar S > station as I have just picked up a better station for the S layout. I > am actually going to use the prewar brown and cream station on my > Standard gauge layout,where scale was never a consideration.Two things - > does anyone have a prewar record they could sell me. I will send US > dollars for the cost plus postage down here to Australia. Secondly what > color was the roof. Green or red? BTW please don't be silly enough to > pay a buck each for replacement needles- you can buy a box of 50 or 100 > from a vintage phonograph supplier for three or four dollars. They were > all only supposed to be used once anyway but you can get about a dozen > plays safely out of one needle on the small Flyer record. Thanks > Alistair >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49091	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: How I added smoke to an Alco PB unit

In case you'd like to see how I recently added a fan driven smoke unit to a Lionel American Flyer Northern Pacific Alco B-unit, see the file AF NP PB MTH smoke unit install.doc <http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/sAlYSBJhKaz5Zfych8INvhATWkQFQ8geu6oH2qtNzm\ cMEO0QbA2ytg3isZ1-ZSu4hZmfH4Cu6IKpfTILFnvW63zB0ZSS5FeMiFyVFIzBJnOEJqI/AF\ %20NP%20PB%20MTH%20smoke%20unit%20install.doc> in the files section and/or click here to see it in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kgf7AuKK8s <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kgf7AuKK8s> While you're out there at youtube, there are two other videos of mine - - one of a SHS MEC 2-8-0 TMCC conversion that I did http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDq03Zza2V0 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDq03Zza2V0> , and another of an AM ATSF Northern TMCC conversion that I did prior to the Connie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izKCX1q4jZE&feature=related <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izKCX1q4jZE&feature=related> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49092	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: AF Action Car

Great fun no doubt. You can do that with TMCC as well. Just add an Electric RR MiniCommander to the op car and draw power from the tracks - - viola - - launch rockets, whatever, wherever, whenever you want.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49093	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Prewar talking station

Thanks to everyone for the comprehensive information. Now one more question. Is the A-Koustikon sound reproducer smaller than the post war one? Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of piccu56 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Prewar talking station The roofs were the standard American Flyer Accessory Green with BROWN signs with white lettering. Some very early stations did not have the signs at all or the slots in the roof to mount them. These early roofs also had a more square chimney. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> wrote: > > I am in the process of getting my prewar talking Mystic station going > using the roof and for the moment,the record,from my tatty postwar S > station as I have just picked up a better station for the S layout. I > am actually going to use the prewar brown and cream station on my > Standard gauge layout,where scale was never a consideration.Two things - > does anyone have a prewar record they could sell me. I will send US > dollars for the cost plus postage down here to Australia. Secondly what > color was the roof. Green or red? BTW please don't be silly enough to > pay a buck each for replacement needles- you can buy a box of 50 or 100 > from a vintage phonograph supplier for three or four dollars. They were > all only supposed to be used once anyway but you can get about a dozen > plays safely out of one needle on the small Flyer record. Thanks > Alistair > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1506 - Release Date: 6/17/2008 4:30 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49094	From: mike rosz	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics

I use the set up with HO Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...> wrote: In my situation I have two AF switches connected to each other with the control boxes across from each other which forms kind of an S configuration on the track. I call that a back to back configuration which is my own terminology. Alex Hi, I didn’t catch the first of this thread, but if I understand you correctly two switches used together so the curvy routes are connected would be called a cross-over. Not to be confused with a crossing which is one track crossing another, like the Flyer 90° crossing. What is happen with the AM Pacific? I have recently been playing with one and I find its weight distribution to be a little different. I don’t know what to expect with a toy train, but with the AM Pacific most of the weight is behind the rear driver which leaves the front end very light. It is so light that I think the smallest bump would cause it to lift. Is that what is happening to yours? There is a video on my website (under Stead, in the Customer Gallery) of one dropping its rear driver into the frog of one of my turnouts. Tom Stoltz Tom’s Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49095	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: S Ga. Billboard Image, 2008 Campaign

One of our more talented "Photoshoppers", Mark Anderman, using his trusty Macintosh computer, modified the 1953 American Flyer catalog cover, to produce an "S gauge 2008 Campaign Billboard Image". You can view this image at http://track2photos.blogspot.com . Note when you get to the web page, you can click on the smaller image, to open the larger version which is 1011 x 723 pixels. (This image with the larger number of pixels, will give you the best printing quality). If you like, you can download this image, then print it out (use a photo printing program) in whatever dimensions you need, to fit your layout's billboards. Please Note: This model billboard sign is NOT an endorsement of any particular political party. It has been produced solely for S gauge model railroading purposes. The image shown is the "Democratic party" version. I'm not sure when he is planning to produce the corresponding "GOP party" version. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ======== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49096	From: Andrew	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Securing Plastic Windows

I've used the same glue on my ho scale train windows, And your right about using a little bit of glue. If you get the glue on the window pain it leaves a white mark on the window. Yeah, now one of my windows is all white. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > I use Loctite super glue products - - regular, gel, and goof-proof > (longer setting) applied with a Microbrush (green, yellow or white > depending on the size of the job). For silhouette type inserts "paint" > the glue with a Microbrush onto the inside area of the shell around but > not right to the edge of the window(s). For cut-to-fit individual > window panes like in early AM F-unit kits, etc, get the pane, number > board, etc. first to fit well (they practically stay in place by > themselves if you go about this patiently sanding or shaving The a bit > here, then a bit there). If necessary use a small strip of blue > painters masking tape to help hold the window in place. Then from the > inside using a white Microbrush put some glue just off from the edge of > where the pane meets the shell and drag the glue over to the crack > between them. The glue will flow in and fill in without getting on the > pane itself. Do a bottom edge then top edge then side edges if you > want to. The key thing to remember is use the glue sparingly and take > your time. Change the Microbrush out if/when the tip dries too hard. > Use regular, goof-proof, or gel depending on your need for the glue to > find its way into a crack and/or your confidence in placing it right > the first time. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49097	From: Scottish Shop	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Santa Fe Alco Colors

I am restoring a 1950 Santa Fe "war bonnet" PA Alco "A" unit that is the worse for wear. Any ideas how to match the silver and red paint used on these? I don't want to repaint it entirely but rather do a little "touch up" here and there. I have another Santa Fe PA Alco A unit that will need a complete repaint. Any ideas on how to do the "war bonnet" scheme? Perhaps it would be easier to paint it for another railroad. Both locos are a made of a cream colored plastic that is not very good quality. They are stamped inside: November 1950. Plastic technology was still being developed. Regards, John Harvey -- Kind Regards, John Harvey Brigadier Scottish Shop PO Box 181 BEECHWORTH VIC 3747 Australia scottishshop@... www.brigadier.com.au

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49098	From: Dennis H	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: AEROTRAIN wanted

Gentlemen, I'm a NYCentral fan interested in buying an AEROTRAIN by American Hi-Rail. Contacted Tom Hodgson who indicated he won't run another batch for awhile. Built-up or Kit doesn't matter. Please contact off-list. Sincerely, Dennis Hultay, Bloomfield NJ Central Jersey S Scalers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49099	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics

Of course its not just the AM Pacifics that have trouble going through "crossovers" (this is the correct term) made by placing two AF switches together. I have always thought the two weakest features of American Flyer were the troublesome reverse units and the switches. The switches sure are easy to hook up and operate which is great for children, but operationally they are troublesome even with a single switch and putting them together makes its a whole lot worse. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 6/18/2008 4:55:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mikenguy9@... writes: I use the set up with HO Thomas Stoltz <_tstoltz@..._ (mailto:tstoltz@...) > wrote: In my situation I have two AF switches connected to each other with the control boxes across from each other which forms kind of an S configuration on the track. I call that a back to back configuration which is my own terminology. Alex Hi, I didn’t catch the first of this thread, but if I understand you correctly two switches used together so the curvy routes are connected would be called a cross-over. Not to be confused with a crossing which is one track crossing another, like the Flyer 90° crossing. What is happen with the AM Pacific? I have recently been playing with one and I find its weight distribution to be a little different. I don’t know what to expect with a toy train, but with the AM Pacific most of the weight is behind the rear driver which leaves the front end very light. It is so light that I think the smallest bump would cause it to lift. Is that what is happening to yours? There is a video on my website (under Stead, in the Customer Gallery) of one dropping its rear driver into the frog of one of my turnouts. Tom Stoltz Tom’s Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <_http://www.tomsturnhttp://ww_ (http://www.tomsturnouts.com/) > www.tomsturnouts. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49100	From: Sam Blum	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: trade s scale for hirail

i have 29 S scale wheels and i would like to trade them for 29 s gauge hirail wheels

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49101	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: 760 Crossing Bulbs and Knurled Nuts

Hi Bill - I've had the same problem of the bulb not reaching the bottom of the socket. I, too, have just added a drop of solder on the bulb tip to make it work. It IS a bit "klutzy" but working on 50-60 year old stuff to get it working often involves a doctorate degree in klutzing. I've heard, (but don't know it as a fact) that the shorter bulbs are imports. May just be a convenient "blame", but then again, I blame most everything on imports. Don't get me started about losing American jobs!!... I've ordered the 4/40 knurled nuts for AF turnouts and they work just fine. I always try a regular of known-size and make sure it fits before I specify the size on my order. have fun. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49102	From: Trains	Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: trade s scale for hirail

i would be interested...depending on brand size.... what are you looking for AF, SHS, AM, other and size (dia) highrail? Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49103	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: AM Pacifics

Yep, unfortunately at least with Flyer and current S-Trax turn-outs it is best to put a short straight (3-5") between them when creating cross-overs. Engines, long passenger cars, and basically everything rolling get through then more easily and smoothly than if put back to back. However, this does mean that parallel loops that you interconnect have to be farther away from each other, but that's worth it in the end. When Don T. gets the opportunity to release type 5 and higher turn-outs (AF and current S-Trax TO's are basically 20" radius Type 3, pretty tight turning) we'll be able to bring those loops, our passing sidings, and yard spurs closer together. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49104	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: How I added smoke to an Alco PB unit

Sorry 'bout the dead-end link to the Word doc, and for Yahoo putting in double for every youtube link pasted. I have no clue why it does that. Try the link below to the document in the Files section. It has descriptions and photos on how to add smoke to an Alco PB unit - - "AF NP PB MTH smoke unit install" is the title. WARNING: these O-gauge MTH units really generate a lot of smoke. Use in only in well ventilated areaa and/or those where people don't mind you're running your trains "with that darn smoke going". http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/YGZaSIRrjyUzcXg5yBATVGWWbrqMFAGbtPX2jkKwdgE 5Eicec7WE5RkvpEdzXUAAFsSVpVodPBRzw7FWwIC4_VgwLqowZ2eA7lhLtgNvMvbPwG4/AF% 20NP%20PB%20MTH%20smoke%20unit%20install.doc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49105	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: was AM Pacifics, now is CROSSOVERS with AF SWITCHES

I do not fool with American Flyer switches or track anymore, but if I did, my crossovers would be on curved sections. The inside AF switch would have the straight portion connected to the curved portion of the out track switch. This not only avoids having back-to-back curves but also allows the parallel double track to be closer together. The same practices also apply to the SHS #3 switches though my experience is that derailments would be much less likely on the SHS switches even if the curved sections were back-to-back. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 6/19/2008 9:15:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dsme_horn@... writes: Yep, unfortunately at least with Flyer and current S-Trax turn-outs it is best to put a short straight (3-5") between them when creating cross-overs. Engines, long passenger cars, and basically everything rolling get through then more easily and smoothly than if put back to back. However, this does mean that parallel loops that you interconnect have to be farther away from each other, but that's worth it in the end. When Don T. gets the opportunity to release type 5 and higher turn-outs (AF and current S-Trax TO's are basically 20" radius Type 3, pretty tight turning) we'll be able to bring those loops, our passing sidings, and yard spurs closer together. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49106	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Santa Fe paint

John, Try Doug Peck at Portlines.com for the Santa Fe paint. I am sure he has everything you need to restore the 360/364 engines. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49107	From: Firewood	Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Interesting device for the hobby manufacturers out there?

Here's an interesting machine - a layer-by-layer printer that gives you a complete working model in ABS plastic. The outlay is in the 20 - 30,000 range. http://www.dimensionprinting.com/ Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49108	From: Trains	Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: S gauger seeking home and S enthusiats

2nd installment of the S odessey To all S enthusiats (AF, High Rail, Scale, Narrow Ga) Howdy from southern Oregon, an ideal environment, but far to costly to afford a livable home (for me) and only a smattering of S -AF people who generally do not want to get together...lots of other RR enthusiaits...a great toy train club and a RR park with real stuff, a 71/2'" gauge live steam club and HO and garden RR enthusiasts....Well on to the main subject: The nation wide search for an affordable home (under $100,000.-) with hopefully a dry walk-in basement or large shop/garage. What I am really looking for is an S gauge layout space with a bath, kitchen and place for a bed around it! The search has been educational to say the least. I have done research (safest, lowest taxes, lowest insurance, best health care, lowest violent crime rate and best quality of life, lowest cost of living) Also considered S gaugers/clubs, and proxcimity to a VA hospital). I have also talked to S people in various areas amongst them NW Ark., Iowa/Nebraska, Wisconsin/Ill, Idaho, NE corner of Tenn as well as responded to those who left me messages on my previous query. Some of the states that stood out were #5-Wyoming (Cheyenne area), #8-Idaho (Boise), #10-Nebraska, #6- Iowa(flooding has focused me on Omaha/Counsel Bluffs area). These are the top 10! In the middle: #13-Wisc., #15-Virgina, #16-Minn.,#17-Ill., #23-Ind., #24-Penn. And at the bottom of rankings worst was Miss, followed by Ala, Ark, Tenn all in the 40's. However this is not scientific and specific places can vary considerably form a state or city norm. I really like the Boise, Omaha/Consel Bluffs, Beliot, Wis./Rockford, Ill, Pittsburgh, and NE corner of Tenn (greater Johnson City) areas. These all generally meet my requirements. NOW FOR YOU: I would like to hear from you S enthusiasts about these areas, what you think/know/ and about S support. Want find out about the good, bad and ugly. Welcome any thoughts, help, contact info etc. I have an open mind so ...what do yo have to say. Contact me off list, or if it is general S info that others may be interested in, on list. You may wish to give me a phone number and convinient time to call (I am in Pacific time zone) on my nickle. Thanks a million (not counting inflation). Peter Loeb rr4u@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49109	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: was AM Pacifics, now is CROSSOVERS with AF SWITCHES

Good point. That does help if you can configure things that way. I did so on my previous layout, but not on my latest.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49110	From: Larry Moore	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors

John, I have completely restored a 470/471/473/ Alco ABA set in the Sante Fe Warbonnet scheme. I will send you pictures and if it is to your liking I will share my materials and methods information. Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: scottishshop@...: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:18:41 +1000Subject: [S-Trains] Santa Fe Alco Colors I am restoring a 1950 Santa Fe "war bonnet" PA Alco "A" unit that is theworse for wear. Any ideas how to match the silver and red paint used onthese? I don't want to repaint it entirely but rather do a little "touchup" here and there.I have another Santa Fe PA Alco A unit that will need a completerepaint. Any ideas on how to do the "war bonnet" scheme? Perhaps itwould be easier to paint it for another railroad. Both locos are a madeof a cream colored plastic that is not very good quality. They arestamped inside: November 1950. Plastic technology was still being developed.Regards,John Harvey-- Kind Regards,John HarveyBrigadier Scottish ShopPO Box 181BEECHWORTH VIC 3747Australiascottishshop@... _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49111	From: frank emiro	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: How I added smoke to an Alco PB unit

still won't open. I think there is a space at /v1/ (/ v1) --- On Thu, 6/19/08, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How I added smoke to an Alco PB unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 10:21 AM Sorry 'bout the dead-end link to the Word doc, and for Yahoo putting in double for every youtube link pasted. I have no clue why it does that. Try the link below to the document in the Files section. It has descriptions and photos on how to add smoke to an Alco PB unit - - "AF NP PB MTH smoke unit install" is the title. WARNING: these O-gauge MTH units really generate a lot of smoke. Use in only in well ventilated areaa and/or those where people don't mind you're running your trains "with that darn smoke going". http://f1.grp yahoofs.com/ v1/YGZaSIRrjyUzc Xg5yBATVGWWbrqMF AGbtPX2jkKwdgE 5Eicec7WE5RkvpEdzXU AAFsSVpVodPBRzw7 FWwIC4_VgwLqowZ2 eA7lhLtgNvMvbPwG 4/AF% 20NP%20PB%20MTH% 20smoke%20unit% 20install. doc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49112	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors

Larry, You might consider posting picture to the group along with materials and methods as I know I'm interested and others may be as well. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Santa Fe Alco Colors John, I have completely restored a 470/471/473/ Alco ABA set in the Sante Fe Warbonnet scheme. I will send you pictures and if it is to your liking I will share my materials and methods information. Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: scottishshop@...: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:18:41 +1000Subject: [S-Trains] Santa Fe Alco Colors I am restoring a 1950 Santa Fe "war bonnet" PA Alco "A" unit that is theworse for wear. Any ideas how to match the silver and red paint used onthese? I don't want to repaint it entirely but rather do a little "touchup" here and there.I have another Santa Fe PA Alco A unit that will need a completerepaint. Any ideas on how to do the "war bonnet" scheme? Perhaps itwould be easier to paint it for another railroad. Both locos are a madeof a cream colored plastic that is not very good quality. They arestamped inside: November 1950. Plastic technology was still being developed.Regards,John Harvey-- Kind Regards,John HarveyBrigadier Scottish ShopPO Box 181BEECHWORTH VIC 3747Australiascottishshop@... __________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49113	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: How I added smoke to an Alco PB unit

Last try with a link. All I've done was cut 'n paste the rest has been up to the Yahoo formatting gremlins. In case the link thing just doesnt' work, go to and click on Files in the left hand margin, scroll down past all the file folders listed in numeric/alphabetical order until you see individual files getting listed in a similar fashion, click on "AF NP PB MTH smoke unit install". It's a word document with photos inserted. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/EOJbSLKRDYP9dojqvhSJX6N7DdeK0pCl1KNl8onZcz4 GwX9tK_7UXHpAfcwUGKUK0gSi06ZNmp3ypIdPdzoqj_mZQu1zLYbtaApVFUbKV_F2vT8/AF% 20NP%20PB%20MTH%20smoke%20unit%20install.doc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49114	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: switches/turnouts

Sgaugian wrote: (AF and current S-Trax TO's are basically 20" radius Type 3, pretty tight turning) we'll be able to bring those loops, our passing sidings, and yard spurs closer together. There is an alternative. Please have a look at www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> . The Customer Gallery now has videos. I know that is shameless, but sometimes it seems like people aren't aware of what else is out there. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49115	From: Larry Moore	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors

Jim, I will try and post those pictures tonight along with materials list. Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jhannawald@...: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:06:06 -0400Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Santa Fe Alco Colors Larry,You might consider posting picture to the group along with materials and methods as I know I'm interested and others may be as well.Jim----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:14 AMSubject: RE: [S-Trains] Santa Fe Alco ColorsJohn, I have completely restored a 470/471/473/ Alco ABA set in the Sante Fe Warbonnet scheme. I will send you pictures and if it is to your liking I will share my materials and methods information. Thanks, Larry MooreTo: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: scottishshop@...: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:18:41 +1000Subject: [S-Trains] Santa Fe Alco ColorsI am restoring a 1950 Santa Fe "war bonnet" PA Alco "A" unit that is theworse for wear. Any ideas how to match the silver and red paint used onthese? I don't want to repaint it entirely but rather do a little "touchup" here and there.I have another Santa Fe PA Alco A unit that will need a completerepaint. Any ideas on how to do the "war bonnet" scheme? Perhaps itwould be easier to paint it for another railroad. Both locos are a madeof a cream colored plastic that is not very good quality. They arestamped inside: November 1950. Plastic technology was still being developed.Regards,John Harvey-- Kind Regards,John HarveyBrigadier Scottish ShopPO Box 181BEECHWORTH VIC 3747Australiascottishshop@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49116	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

I have examined the photos of the Lionel Big Boy. The front and rear mechanisms rotate like trucks on a normal diesel. I realize these are the compromises needed to go around 22 inch curves. Maybe we are working with the wrong prototype. A standard gauge Beyer Garrett with North American appliances would look right at home on our layouts. Its boiler, being shorter and fatter, is more efficient than the Big Boy's. Its articulation makes the prototype able to go around a much sharper curve. I suggest a 4-6-2 + 2-6-4. You want even bigger? Until recently South Africa was running 4-8-2 + 2-8-4 units in high-speed passenger service, abet narrow gauge with European appliances. Think of it. A full size Beyer Garratt able to run on any layout. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49117	From: Grant	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: A weird day

Yesterday I was the unknowing participant in a commercial being shot in my house. There was about 30 people hiding in my house most coming up from LA including one of the guys who played the caveman in the GEICO commericals. My wife told me afterwards everyone disappeared from setting up the equipment before the filming began.... she found them all staring at my American Flyer trains like little kids in a candy shop oooohhing and awwwing. I might have won some converts to the hobby Grant

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49118	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Mobley Library vacation

All -- The Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from tomorrow, June 21, through July 5th, 2008. Dick Karnes, Librarian NASG Inc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49119	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Securing Plastic Windows

I use regular "tacky glue" from the craft store to secure windows in my AF post war stations and switch towers. I applay a small amount of glue with a toothpick, put the window in just the way I want it, then use clothespins to clamp until set. Works great every time, it is easy, not messy, readilly available, and cheap. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49120	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Santa Fe Alco Colors

Silver Sharpies work wonders to fix scratches and blemishes in the early Alco SF paint schemes. I have done it twice with excellent results. People do not see it and are always surprised when I give them a close-up examination as to how well it matches. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49121	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: prewar talking stations

On the subject of records, I just yesterday acquired an AC Gilbert record with "Gilbert Erector Amusement Park Music" on one side and "Gilbert Erector Choo-Choo Sound Effects" on the other. I had never heard of this before. Is it rare? It is # H90A-3571/H90A-3570. Also, if you are ever in Williamsport, PA or close by, give the Kast Hotel's owner a call to see his extensive collection by appointment only. He has lots of AF S Flyer, AF 3/16" O Flyer, and Lionel, LGB, Standard Gauge, etc. to boot. He and his late father used to run a train repair business (Peterson Train Shop) at the hotel/bar location at 723 Arch Street. Wishing to return to the fun of the hobby hobby and with his father's passing, the son closed the shop, but still has mountains of parts...not for sale. I did talk him out of the record which he suspects had not seen daylight since about 1969. Also check out the Thomas T. Taber Museum, 858 West Fourth Street, Williamsport, PA 17701-5824 · Phone: (570) 326-3326. In the basement is the late Shempp collection with AMAZING trains containing many Lionel prototypes including a HUGE Standard Gauge never-went-to-production set and several rare AF trains. Among these is a pristine 0-8-0 in 3/16" prewar form. It was truly amazing! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49122	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

Greetings All; The prototype Big Boy is an articulated locomotive. Lionel has not compromised their version. Just like the prototype, both " engines" swivel. Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: Marty.Thorin Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Beyer Garratt in S Scale I have examined the photos of the Lionel Big Boy. The front and rear mechanisms rotate like trucks on a normal diesel. I realize these are the compromises needed to go around 22 inch curves. Maybe we are working with the wrong prototype. A standard gauge Beyer Garrett with North American appliances would look right at home on our layouts. Its boiler, being shorter and fatter, is more efficient than the Big Boy's. Its articulation makes the prototype able to go around a much sharper curve. I suggest a 4-6-2 + 2-6-4. You want even bigger? Until recently South Africa was running 4-8-2 + 2-8-4 units in high-speed passenger service, abet narrow gauge with European appliances. Think of it. A full size Beyer Garratt able to run on any layout. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49123	From: Larry Moore	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Sante Fe Repaints

To the group: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/9637?c= The above link should take you to the photo section of our group with pictures of my 470/471/473 set that I repainted. I purchased this set on Ebay about 4 years ago. They were originally a chromed set but you know what happens to the chrome. I stripped the units and with a few mistakes along the way ended up with what you see. The satin silver is Testor's Model Master Aluminum Metallizer with sealer and the red is Floquil Sante Fe red. I cheated on the black and yellow stripes. They are actually a flex-tape I ordered from my local hobby shop 1/16th of an inch wide. The red has to be painted first when using the metallizer because you cannot use masking tape on the sealer as it removes the sealer when removing the tape. If I attempt another set I will use Alclad aluminum lacquer with a Future Floor Wax clear coat. I believe it will result in a better look and is easier to work with. I am getting ready to do a test unit using Alclad chrome, as I had very good results painting a set of 900 passenger with it. All the decals and dry-rub transfers are from Doug Peck at Port-Lines. Just a side note I have painted a complete set of 900 passenger cars with red stripe to go with the engines. I dreamed of having this set as a kid and now I do. Eight feet of pure Flyer history. What a sight on the track. I hope you enjoy looking at the pics as much as I did getting them to this point. I welcome comments and will try and answer any questions you may have. It is almost a passion with me to keep the "Flyer Classics" rolling. They are not original but it sure beats trashing them. Thanks for looking, Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ The i�m Talkathon starts 6/24/08.� For now, give amongst yourselves. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49124	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: A weird day

Ooo. Caveman LIKE trains! Me play now! On Jun 20, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Grant wrote: > Yesterday I was the unknowing participant in a commercial being shot > in my house. > There was about 30 people hiding in my house most coming up from LA > including one of the guys who played the caveman in the GEICO > commericals. > My wife told me afterwards everyone disappeared from setting up the > equipment before the filming began.... she found them all staring at > my American Flyer trains like little kids in a candy shop oooohhing > and awwwing. > I might have won some converts to the hobby > Grant > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49125	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Sante Fe Repaints

Larry, They look good, Thanks for posting the pictures Jim----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Moore" <mo2337@...> To: "s-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sante Fe Repaints To the group: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/9637?c= The above link should take you to the photo section of our group with pictures of my 470/471/473 set that I repainted. I purchased this set on Ebay about 4 years ago. They were originally a chromed set but you know what happens to the chrome. I stripped the units and with a few mistakes along the way ended up with what you see. The satin silver is Testor's Model Master Aluminum Metallizer with sealer and the red is Floquil Sante Fe red. I cheated on the black and yellow stripes. They are actually a flex-tape I ordered from my local hobby shop 1/16th of an inch wide. The red has to be painted first when using the metallizer because you cannot use masking tape on the sealer as it removes the sealer when removing the tape. If I attempt another set I will use Alclad aluminum lacquer with a Future Floor Wax clear coat. I believe it will result in a better look and is easier to work with. I am getting ready to do a test unit using Alclad chrome, as I had very good results painting a set of 900 passenger with it. All the decals and dry-rub transfers are from Doug Peck at Port-Lines. Just a side note I have painted a complete set of 900 passenger cars with red stripe to go with the engines. I dreamed of having this set as a kid and now I do. Eight feet of pure Flyer history. What a sight on the track. I hope you enjoy looking at the pics as much as I did getting them to this point. I welcome comments and will try and answer any questions you may have. It is almost a passion with me to keep the "Flyer Classics" rolling. They are not original but it sure beats trashing them. Thanks for looking, Larry Moore

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49126	From: srgriggs	Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Perry" <traindspr@...> wrote: > > Greetings All; > The prototype Big Boy is an articulated locomotive. Lionel has not compromised their version. Just like the prototype, both > " engines" swivel. > Ben Perry > > Drive like > A railroad engineer > Take it easy > When the road's > Not clear > Burma~Shave > Ben, The prototype Big Boy (like all U.S. prototype articulateds) did not have rear engine pivotting motion relative to the boiler. On a real U.S. articulated, the rear engine is mounted rigidly under the boiler just like a rigid wheelbase locomotive. Only the front engine was hinged (at a point behind the rear set of drivers) and the weight of the overhanging front boiler section was supported by a precision sliding plate carried by the front engine. Model locomotive manufacturers in just about all scales have for many years added diesel-like articulation to *both* driver sets on 4-8-8- 4 and other articulated models to allow them to negotiate layouts with curves of a reasonable radius. The non-prototypical method of articulation is not that noticeable unless you're running on really tight radius track. ;-) Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49127	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Beyer-Garratt in S scale

I've been thinking about this for a while, but havn't gotten around to it. (Too many old Flyer junkers crying for rebirth.) It could be done quick and dirty by using the chassis of two Flyonel Docksiders under two of the plentiful Atlantic/Pacific plastic tenders. Put a sheet of plastic with a "hatch" over the coal bunker of the lead tender and use the Docksider headlight. On the trailing tender use the Docksider rear lihgt for when the loco runs in that direction. Use a 283 C&NW type Pacific shell between them with a suethe smoke unit. Shazam, 0-6-0+0-6-0 Beyer-Garratt! By adding a two wheel lead truck at each end, you get a 2-6-0+0-6-2 engine. And it would lookl better on standard Flyer curves than the Northern does, let alone a Big Boy! Of course, you have to shorten the smoke stack, and remove the headlight on the boiler and I would sand all the rivets off the tender to make it look more like a welded tender. Shiny, colorful paint jobs are the norm, sso a dark red, blue, green, would look good with some thin striping along the top and bottom of the tenders. Some day I hope to get around to doing this bash as it would be an eye catching locomotive at any train show! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49128	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Sante Fe Repaints

Larry, Nice job!!! Looks just like they did new!! Barry Jamison -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > To the group: > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/9637?c= > The above link should take you to the photo section of our group with pictures of my 470/471/473 set that I repainted. I purchased this set on Ebay about 4 years ago. They were originally a chromed set but you know what happens to the chrome. I stripped the units and with a few mistakes along the way ended up with what you see. The satin silver is Testor's Model Master Aluminum Metallizer with sealer and the red is Floquil Sante Fe red. I cheated on the black and yellow stripes. They are actually a flex-tape I ordered from my local hobby shop 1/16th of an inch wide. The red has to be painted first when using the metallizer because you cannot use masking tape on the sealer as it removes the sealer when removing the tape. If I attempt another set I will use Alclad aluminum lacquer with a Future Floor Wax clear coat. I believe it will result in a better look and is easier to work with. I am getting ready to do a test unit using Alclad chrome, as I had very good results painting a set of 900 passenger with it. All the decals and dry-rub transfers are from Doug Peck at Port-Lines. Just a side note I have painted a complete set of 900 passenger cars with red stripe to go with the engines. I dreamed of having this set as a kid and now I do. Eight feet of pure Flyer history. What a sight on the track. I hope you enjoy looking at the pics as much as I did getting them to this point. I welcome comments and will try and answer any questions you may have. It is almost a passion with me to keep the "Flyer Classics" rolling. They are not original but it sure beats trashing them. Thanks for looking, Larry Moore > _________________________________________________________________ > The i'm Talkathon starts 6/24/08.  For now, give amongst yourselves. > http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49129	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

Greetings All; Scott, I stand corrected. Thank you. Bring on the Garratts. I think that there were two in Canada. Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: srgriggs Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:18 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Perry" <traindspr@...> wrote: > > Greetings All; > The prototype Big Boy is an articulated locomotive. Lionel has not compromised their version. Just like the prototype, both > " engines" swivel. > Ben Perry > > Drive like > A railroad engineer > Take it easy > When the road's > Not clear > Burma~Shave > Ben, The prototype Big Boy (like all U.S. prototype articulateds) did not have rear engine pivotting motion relative to the boiler. On a real U.S. articulated, the rear engine is mounted rigidly under the boiler just like a rigid wheelbase locomotive. Only the front engine was hinged (at a point behind the rear set of drivers) and the weight of the overhanging front boiler section was supported by a precision sliding plate carried by the front engine. Model locomotive manufacturers in just about all scales have for many years added diesel-like articulation to *both* driver sets on 4-8-8- 4 and other articulated models to allow them to negotiate layouts with curves of a reasonable radius. The non-prototypical method of articulation is not that noticeable unless you're running on really tight radius track. ;-) Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49130	From: spyderweb@uwalumni.com	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

Scott wrote: > The prototype Big Boy (like all U.S. prototype articulateds) did not > have rear engine pivotting motion relative to the boiler. On a real > U.S. articulated, the rear engine is mounted rigidly under the > boiler just like a rigid wheelbase locomotive. Only the front > engine was hinged (at a point behind the rear set of drivers) and > the weight of the overhanging front boiler section was supported by > a precision sliding plate carried by the front engine. Model > locomotive manufacturers in just about all scales have for many > years added diesel-like articulation to *both* driver sets on 4-8-8- > 4 and other articulated models to allow them to negotiate layouts > with curves of a reasonable radius. The non-prototypical method of > articulation is not that noticeable unless you're running on really > tight radius track. ;-) Exactly so, with only one minor quibble -- by definition, a steam locomotive is "articulated" if it has one or more engine units which can move relative to the main frame. The UP's Big Boy and Challenger, as well as most other American articulateds are Mallet types, with one fixed engine under the rear of the locomotive and a front engine that can swing radially as you describe. But there are other types, including the Mason Bogie (with one powered truck and one unpowered truck), Shays, Vulcans, Heislers, Climaxes and other geared engines. JR Hill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49131	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Window adhesive

Greetings and thanks to all for your suggestions!!! Window material, per Stumpy's suggestion, worked well . Best Wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49133	From: Al Baker	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

Ok, I give up. What is a Beyer Garratt??? Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49134	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

Hooray for Google search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garratt Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: Al Baker Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 1:23 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale Ok, I give up. What is a Beyer Garratt??? Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49135	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

Here is a modern one: http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/rail/Loco_info/4079_Beyer_Peacock.htm Ben Perry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49137	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: How to learn, was - Re: [S-Trains] Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Ok, I give up. What is a Beyer Garratt??? > > > > > > > > > > Putting Beyer Garratt in Google brings up 20 thousand responses. Here's the first one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garratt Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49138	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: FRANKLIN TRAIN IN THE MOVIES

I am watching a movie that has the Franklin #88 in it. It shows in the opening scenes, the #88 & 3 cars. The movie is Alias Jessie James with Bob Hope. It is on TCM...Mike S. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49139	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

Greetings All; Some steam fans (myself included) claim that all Malletts are are articulated, but not all articulated are Malletts. Many claim that only compound locomotives are Malletts. A compound locomotive uses steam in the rear engine high-pressure cylinders which is then exhausted into the low pressure cylinders of the front engine. The Big Boys were simple engines using high pressure steam in all cylinders. Norfolk & Western Y6b's were interesting in that an engineer could start a heavy train with both engines using high pressure steam and when he had the train rolling, he would turn a valve that shut off high pressure steam to the front cylinders and the locomotive would become a compound with the front engine using exhaust steam from the rear engine. I tried to keep this explanation simple and not compound the situation. Here is an interesting link about Big Boys http://www.steamlocomotive.com/bigboy/ Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49140	From: Scottish Shop	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Santa Fe Alco Colors

I would like to thank everyone for their ideas on repainting my Santa Fe PA Alcos, especially Larry Moore with his detailed description and photos. One of the PA's only needs a "touch up" (I hope!) and your ideas will be very useful. This one will stay as a Santa Fe "war bonnet". The other PA will need a complete repaint. I have been searching for a simpler color scheme to match my painting skills and have come across a Rio Grande PA painted in an all aluminum scheme with a plain "Aspen Gold" nose used between 1949 and 1952 on The California Zephyr. My next questions: What is the best aluminum paint to use on 1950 American Flyer plastic and does anyone know which model railroad color matches "Aspen Gold" as used by the Rio Grande RR in 1949? Regards, John Harvey -- Kind Regards, John Harvey Brigadier Scottish Shop PO Box 181 BEECHWORTH VIC 3747 Australia scottishshop@... www.brigadier.com.au

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49141	From: mike rosz	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors

Home Depot or Menards or some big super store claims they can match any color.. Scottish Shop <scottishshop@...> wrote: I am restoring a 1950 Santa Fe "war bonnet" PA Alco "A" unit that is the worse for wear. Any ideas how to match the silver and red paint used on these? I don't want to repaint it entirely but rather do a little "touch up" here and there. I have another Santa Fe PA Alco A unit that will need a complete repaint. Any ideas on how to do the "war bonnet" scheme? Perhaps it would be easier to paint it for another railroad. Both locos are a made of a cream colored plastic that is not very good quality. They are stamped inside: November 1950. Plastic technology was still being developed. Regards, John Harvey -- Kind Regards, John Harvey Brigadier Scottish Shop PO Box 181 BEECHWORTH VIC 3747 Australia scottishshop@... www.brigadier.com.au [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49142	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49143	From: Murray Hartzer	Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [S-Trains] Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

Hi all A Beyer Garret in S scale Its all ready been done in Sn 3 ½ http://users.powernet.co.uk/hamilton/non-comm.html cheers Murray From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Perry Sent: Sunday, 22 June 2008 1:52 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM]Re: [S-Trains] Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale Greetings All; Some steam fans (myself included) claim that all Malletts are are articulated, but not all articulated are Malletts. Many claim that only compound locomotives are Malletts. A compound locomotive uses steam in the rear engine high-pressure cylinders which is then exhausted into the low pressure cylinders of the front engine. The Big Boys were simple engines using high pressure steam in all cylinders. Norfolk & Western Y6b's were interesting in that an engineer could start a heavy train with both engines using high pressure steam and when he had the train rolling, he would turn a valve that shut off high pressure steam to the front cylinders and the locomotive would become a compound with the front engine using exhaust steam from the rear engine. I tried to keep this explanation simple and not compound the situation. Here is an interesting link about Big Boys http://www.steamlocomotive.com/bigboy/ Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49144	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: RE;re:Beyer-Garratt in S scale

And if the Beyer-Garrett seems strange, look up a Kitson-Meyer loco, used in Chile and some eastern block countries..... Stumpy...stirring stuff in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49145	From: Scale S Only	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors

Hi John -- The only Rio Grande Aspen Gold I could find is at Walthers, Modelflex (Badger) acrylic paint, part 165-1662 (in stock). Any silver paint should work as long as it is compatible with the Aspen Gold. However, if you are able to go to a WELL stocked general hobby shop that carries Tamiya paint and Testors military paints, you might find a close match, just don't look at the name of the color! Good luck! Bill Winans I have been searching for a simpler color scheme to match my painting skills and have come across a Rio Grande PA painted in an all aluminum scheme with a plain "Aspen Gold" nose used between 1949 and 1952 on The California Zephyr. My next questions: What is the best aluminum paint to use on 1950 American Flyer plastic and does anyone know which model railroad color matches "Aspen Gold" as used by the Rio Grande RR in 1949? Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49146	From: Roger W. Zuerlein	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors

John: You might try Wayne Hills at: whills42@... He has contracted with Scalecoat to produce the original "Aspen Gold". He sells it through his Marker Light logo. Roger > I have been searching for a simpler color scheme to match my painting > skills and have come across a > Rio Grande PA painted in an all aluminum scheme with a plain "Aspen Gold" > nose used between 1949 and 1952 on The California Zephyr. > My next questions: What is the best aluminum paint to use on 1950 > American Flyer plastic and does anyone know which model railroad color > matches "Aspen Gold" as used by the Rio Grande RR in 1949? > > Regards, > John Harvey >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49147	From: Al Baker	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

Thanks to all those that helped with my education.... Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > Ok, I give up. What is a Beyer Garratt??? > Al Baker >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49148	From: jim oliver	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Some Short Vids on YouTube - Corrected utube Link!

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49149	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

Ben, Ouch!! That was a pun worthy of myself! BTW, that valve is commonly called a "simpling valve" and is common to other compund steam engine designs, especially in boats. In our steamboat launch group it's also called a "cheating valve" that can give your boat a quick burst of speed in a race (heh, heh, heh). Funny (at least to steam geeks) thing, when I first rode the Delta Queen, the engineroom crew were all green, lotsa school learnin' but little "hands on" time. It took me three folks before one of them could show me the simpling valve (turned out to be the vavle I suspected) Now I hear you aren't allowed in the engine room--hope that changes before August! (we're going again, one reason the train budget is blown). S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49150	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49151	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Alco Colors

I was in a hobby store and i think ia was Floquil had a book on wkich of THEIR colors to mix to get what ither colors. I remember 6 of their green to 2 oftheir blue makes CNW green. No I did not BUY the book. ____________________________________________________________ Daily Instant Win Prizes! Enter for your chance to WIN one of hundreds of daily prizes. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7VJ8aWN8uxi4tlDlVQ7h5r08DNNv2ZPlMr0qwMhMuAF3mqP/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49152	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale

David, have a good trip on the DQ. Back in the 70's I made 2 trips and had free access to the engine room. I didn't know it at the time, but one of the Chief Engineers was an S Gauger. In later years he was a member of the Bristol Club. Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Beyer Garratt in S Scale Ben, Ouch!! That was a pun worthy of myself! BTW, that valve is commonly called a "simpling valve" and is common to other compund steam engine designs, especially in boats. In our steamboat launch group it's also called a "cheating valve" that can give your boat a quick burst of speed in a race (heh, heh, heh). Funny (at least to steam geeks) thing, when I first rode the Delta Queen, the engineroom crew were all green, lotsa school learnin' but little "hands on" time. It took me three folks before one of them could show me the simpling valve (turned out to be the vavle I suspected) Now I hear you aren't allowed in the engine room--hope that changes before August! (we're going again, one reason the train budget is blown). S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49153	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49154	From: Firewood	Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Beyer-Garratt in S scale

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I've been thinking about this for a while, but havn't gotten around to > it. I like that idea........here's the Brit versions: http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/prb-phg-beyer-garratts.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/2395_LNER_U1_Garratt_ official_photo.jpg The docksider 0-4-0+0-4-0 thingy would also work in standard gauge, 'cos I know I have a drawing of one in a Brit magazine here somewhere. (I also have the too-many-junker problem.....) Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49155	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2008, 8:00 pm

You should be able to just click the link in the announcement that comes each week. jfred --- On Sun, 6/22/08, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2008, 8:00 pm To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 9:02 PM ow do I get into chat???? ____________________________________________________________ Enter for Your Chance to WIN The TotalBeauty.com Summer Spa Sweepstakes! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7VB23Y1kF2K3E1Jn7bpvRm0sLEgnxpQ14C0MXLaVPYpkIt1/ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49156	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: 760 Crossing Bulbs and Knurled Nuts BUYING NUTS

I AM BUYING SOME SWITCHES FROM A LGLUMAC [ ANY BODY FAMILIAR WITH PERSON] AND I GET TOLD I WILL HAVE TO TAKE MY SWITCH TO THE HARDWARE STORE FOR THE NUTS. I AM BUYING BUMPERS AND A SECOND CONTROLLER AND OTHER STUFF. MAYBE BECAUSE I SAID I WAS THINKING ON KEEPING ON USING MY 4B AND NOT BUY HIS 15B THE NUTS WERE REMOVED. ____________________________________________________________ Fabulous Spa Getaway! Enter for your chance to WIN great beauty prizes everyday! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7UrqFE90YrbNVMqVxZHEKezTqarOB0Xx2f19EIrt7H40xtB/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49157	From: Mark Middleton	Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: An introduction

Hi Everybody I'm Mark Middleton, a toy train enthusiast in Hilliard Ohio. I have recently acquired a few items with more on the way. ALCO Santa Fe Yellow and Blue, says built by Gilbert, # 21910 on the side. Also have the B engine it says 21910-1. I assume they from the 50s. Both seem to be in good shape, some wear on a few high points, the paint is nice and fully present, no rust, lettering intact, details like ladders and horn are present. Was in storage for many years. I od have their boxes but they're in rough shape. Also got steam engine 4-4-2 #302, Reading Lines with attached tender. A little rougher shape (more wear). I'm curious about any details, history, what sets, values, although since they are family hand-me downs I won't be in the market sell them. I hope to get some new track, the old track I got was very rusty. I'm looking to have the trains serviced since they're so old. Anybody in Ohio that is recommended for S gauge? BTW what kind of Transformers can be used? I have some Lionel transformers (old and new). Later Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49158	From: 1sodak	Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: 715 Car Unloader

Has anyone found a modern day auto that will fit the 715 Car Unloader and have it function properly? Thanks, Michael Fjordback

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49159	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: An introduction

Welcome Mark, At the website http://www.myflyertrains.org you can view most of the A. C. Gilbert Catalogs online which should provide you with some of the information you are seeking. From the homepage top, just click on "Catalogs". For the Alco you mentioned, look at catalogs around 1958 I would think... Enjoy, Chuck On Jun 24, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Mark Middleton wrote: > Hi Everybody > > I'm Mark Middleton, a toy train enthusiast in Hilliard Ohio. > > I have recently acquired a few items with more on the way. > ALCO Santa Fe Yellow and Blue, says built by Gilbert, # 21910 on the > side. > Also have the B engine it says 21910-1. I assume they from the 50s. > > Both seem to be in good shape, some wear on a few high points, the > paint > is nice and fully present, no rust, lettering intact, details like > ladders and horn are present. Was in storage for many years. I od have > their boxes but they're in rough shape. > > Also got steam engine 4-4-2 #302, Reading Lines with attached > tender. A > little rougher shape (more wear). > > I'm curious about any details, history, what sets, values, although > since they are family hand-me downs I won't be in the market sell > them. > > I hope to get some new track, the old track I got was very rusty. I'm > looking to have the trains serviced since they're so old. Anybody in > Ohio that is recommended for S gauge? > > BTW what kind of Transformers can be used? I have some Lionel > transformers (old and new). > > Later > Mark > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49160	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: An introduction

Hi, Mark, welcome aboard and to the world of S Gauge. Yep, those old Lionel transformers will do the job. American Flyer ran AC power just like Lionel, while the other scales all run DC power. There's a lot to learn if this is totally new territory for you, so enjoy the journey, This is the place to ask questions and get good answers. The annual Spring S Spree was in Hilliard last year, so you missed a chance to talk to a lot of other S Gaugers real close to home. But don't fear, there is a very active S Gauge club in the Columbus area, The Central Ohio S Gaugers. They have a website by the same name too, so look them up. Lionel owns the American Flyer name and the old molds and dies and are reproducing old Flyer. plus making some pretty nice new stuff, including track. You can also check on track from S-Helper Service, American Models, Gargraves and a host of others, they all have websites, or you can do a Google search. A little research goes a long way. Okay, I've buried you with some info, I'll let someone else take a turn... Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49161	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Re: An introduction

Let me add my hearty welcome!  Glad to have you aboard.   Here's another reference website: TheGilbertGallery.org.  It lists all S-Scale engines, cars, and accessories made by American Flyer from 1946 to present and has pictures of most items.  Each time a new catalog comes out, I add the new items to the gallery.  Your diesel engines are on this page:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Alcos3.html   They were made only in 1958.  Your steam locomotive is on this page:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Atlantic.html   As you can see, it was made in 1948 with a diecast metal boiler and in 1952-1953 with a plastic boiler. Unfortunately, I haven't yet created pages to show the sets that contained either engine; those pages are coming. There is also a useful links page on the website, and I am helping a lady sell her late father's collection, so check out the For Sale page if you need anything to round out your collection.   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html   Bob --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Mark Middleton <mmiddlet@...> wrote: From: Mark Middleton <mmiddlet@...> Subject: [S-Trains] An introduction To: Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 2:25 PM Hi Everybody I'm Mark Middleton, a toy train enthusiast in Hilliard Ohio. I have recently acquired a few items with more on the way. ALCO Santa Fe Yellow and Blue, says built by Gilbert, # 21910 on the side. Also have the B engine it says 21910-1. I assume they from the 50s. Both seem to be in good shape, some wear on a few high points, the paint is nice and fully present, no rust, lettering intact, details like ladders and horn are present. Was in storage for many years. I od have their boxes but they're in rough shape. Also got steam engine 4-4-2 #302, Reading Lines with attached tender. A little rougher shape (more wear). I'm curious about any details, history, what sets, values, although since they are family hand-me downs I won't be in the market sell them. I hope to get some new track, the old track I got was very rusty. I'm looking to have the trains serviced since they're so old. Anybody in Ohio that is recommended for S gauge? BTW what kind of Transformers can be used? I have some Lionel transformers (old and new). Later Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49162	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Albuquerque hobby shops

Anything in Albuquerque, NM that is S Friendly and worth the trip? I fly tomorrow and will have a full, free day on Monday. Please reply directly to me as I get the lists in digest form which makes it a day late. By the time it arrives, I will be gone! Thank'S', Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49163	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Re: Albuquerque hobby shops

The guys at Burling's Tons of Trains http://tonotrains.com in Fountain Hills have some interesting items and are interested in all gauges. I enjoyed a visit with them in May. Clifford Manning clifma19@... ---- "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: > Anything in Albuquerque, NM that is S Friendly and worth the trip? I > fly tomorrow and will have a full, free day on Monday. > > Please reply directly to me as I get the lists in digest form which > makes it a day late. By the time it arrives, I will be gone! > Thank'S', > Thorin > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49164	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: 715 Car Unloader

Michael, you might try, doug@.... He did have a reprodution auto for the "unloader" a while back. Good luck! Charlie in West Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: 1sodak To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 715 Car Unloader Has anyone found a modern day auto that will fit the 715 Car Unloader and have it function properly? Thanks, Michael Fjordback [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49165	From: Bill Adams	Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Cleaning Wheels

Thanks to all who responded both on and off line in regard to cleaning the wheels on my old engines. GOO GONE works great! Thanks a lot. Bill Adams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49166	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: Albuquerque hobby shops

But, Burling's Tons of Trains is in the Phoenix AZ area. JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49167	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: Albuquerque hobby shops

But, Burling's Tons of Trains is in the Phoenix AZ area. JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49168	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Sad News From Local Train Store

I got an email today from Anita at Central Coast Trains, here in Atascadero, that her husband Bill passed away suddenly a few short weeks ago.. He was around 51 or so. Bill & Anita have had the train store for 13 years. I'm sure Anita will carry on. They don't stock anything in "S" but would sometimes order a few goodies for me. I do buy paints, figures, and whatever I can use for my small railroad empire from them. I would always joke with Bill as I walked in saying, "Was that the American Flyer delivery truck I saw pulling away from the store?" We would both have a good laugh. Good times. http://www.centralcoasttrains.com Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49169	From: lember2004	Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: ? about the Amer. Flyer 23743 Track Maintenance Car

The 23743 Track Maintenance Car includes a silver-colored, right angled "wire drawbar" projecting out of the end of the car that is opposite the driver. I am curious what was intended that these under- powered Maintenace Cars pull? Thanks for any info! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49170	From: lember2004	Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: a ? about American Flyer 24578 Corvette flat

I am wondering how the Corvette is held onto the 24578 flat. Assuming there is a bracket of some sort built into the flat, is it the same bracket as used on some other flat(s)? If so, which one(s)? [I am hoping to substitute - at least for a while - an other flat for the hard to find 24578.] Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49171	From: Jerry MATT Matsick	Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] PA Road Trip

Mike So glad that you enjoyed your trip to my "homeland", and I am quite sure that your meeting "Dr. J" was just super. Nothing better than good "Italian Pizza made the correct way. Another good one is a good "Corned Beef Deli Sandwich" on Rye, forgot the name of the restaurant in Squirrel Hill, but there are alot of good eating places in the Burgh and they AIN'T "Fast Food'! Glad you had a great trip. From the RIVER CITY by the Sea! Jerry "Matt" Matsick J A C K S O N V I L L E, Florida ! -------------- Original message from "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- Last week, my wife and I went on a mini baseball tour in PA, covering games in Washington, PA, for the Frontier League Washington Wild Things, a game in Pittsburgh for the Pirates, that went 12 innings before the Pirates won, a Double A game in Altoona and finally a low Single A game in State College, PA. While overdosing on baseball and burgers, ( we had one of the best pizza's ever in Squirrel Hill, PA and then a great going away dinner at the Nittany Lion Inn), we did see the Washington PA trolley museum and took a tour through Penn's Cave by boat. But the real highpoint of the trip was meeting the honorable TCA member Joseph Lechner, who emailed me back in April or so, when he learned we where going to be in Pittsburgh in June. He wanted to meet us at the Carnegie Museum. He drove about 3 hours one way to met us at the Carnegie Museum where they have a wonderful O gauge layout of things related to Pittsburgh. It has a very well done Forbe's Field on the layout. The people in the stand are assorted colors of Q-Tips. I can not image why anyone would want to drive all that way on a Saturday to see us, but we all had a great time. A very enjoyable visit and lunch with Joseph. P.S. As a MD grad, I was very impressed with the Penn State campus. The ice cream at the dairy aint bad either. Did not get Peachy Paterno however. Oh, infront of the Old Main building is a class gift of 1966. A Terrapin holding up the world on his shell. And the turtle is roaring. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49172	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: PA Road Trip

Last week, my wife and I went on a mini baseball tour in PA, covering games in Washington, PA, for the Frontier League Washington Wild Things, a game in Pittsburgh for the Pirates, that went 12 innings before the Pirates won, a Double A game in Altoona and finally a low Single A game in State College, PA. While overdosing on baseball and burgers, ( we had one of the best pizza's ever in Squirrel Hill, PA and then a great going away dinner at the Nittany Lion Inn), we did see the Washington PA trolley museum and took a tour through Penn's Cave by boat. But the real highpoint of the trip was meeting the honorable TCA member Joseph Lechner, who emailed me back in April or so, when he learned we where going to be in Pittsburgh in June. He wanted to meet us at the Carnegie Museum. He drove about 3 hours one way to met us at the Carnegie Museum where they have a wonderful O gauge layout of things related to Pittsburgh. It has a very well done Forbe's Field on the layout. The people in the stand are assorted colors of Q-Tips. I can not image why anyone would want to drive all that way on a Saturday to see us, but we all had a great time. A very enjoyable visit and lunch with Joseph. P.S. As a MD grad, I was very impressed with the Penn State campus. The ice cream at the dairy aint bad either. Did not get Peachy Paterno however. Oh, infront of the Old Main building is a class gift of 1966. A Terrapin holding up the world on his shell. And the turtle is roaring. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49173	From: roy inman	Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: Sad News From Local Train Store

Sorry to hear of his passing, but just out of curiosity, where is Atascadero? Roy Inman From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:06:55 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Sad News From Local Train Store got an email today from Anita at Central Coast Trains, here in Atascadero, that [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49174	From: piccu56	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: ? about the Amer. Flyer 23743 Track Maintenance Car

Nothing, it was purely for show. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > The 23743 Track Maintenance Car includes a silver-colored, right > angled "wire drawbar" projecting out of the end of the car that is > opposite the driver. I am curious what was intended that these under- > powered Maintenace Cars pull? Thanks for any info! Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49175	From: piccu56	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: New 787 Log Loader

Is the new 787 from Lionel (#49810) equipped with a can motor, or did this come out early enough that it had an original style motor in it. If it did come with a can motor, how does it run compared to the original?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49176	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sad News From Local Train Store

Roy, Atascadero California. We're between S.F & L.A. 18 miles from the coast. Rick. On Jun 27, 2008, at 6:41 AM, roy inman wrote: > Sorry to hear of his passing, but just out of curiosity, where is > Atascadero? > > Roy Inman > > > > got an email today from Anita at Central Coast Trains, here in > Atascadero, that > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49177	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Something you don't see every day

I have posted in Ali's Flyer downunder a picture of my 1919 O gauge electric Flyer, (Flyer's first electric set), on my little combined O and S gauge layout, passing my 21107 loco of 1965/66 vintage - one of the last made. Guess it's something you would not see every day. I must apologize for the poor quality photo - time I had a new digital camera. BTW the S gauge track is 1950's French JEP, which because it is fractionally wider than Flyer track, can also be used to run my French and German commercial S gauge trains. Being fractionally wider in track they bind on Flyer corners but the Flyer stock has no problem using these rails. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49178	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sad News From Local Train Store

Slightly north of San Luis Obispo on highway 101 in California - about midway between San Francisco and Los Angeles.   Bill Drake On the move from Virginia to St Louis and back to Virginia for a week of packing. --- On Fri, 6/27/08, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sad News From Local Train Store To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:41 AM Sorry to hear of his passing, but just out of curiosity, where is Atascadero? Roy Inman From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@charter. net> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:06:55 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Sad News From Local Train Store got an email today from Anita at Central Coast Trains, here in Atascadero, that [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49179	From: Mark Middleton	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Thanks!

Thanks for the responses both on the list and privately. mark Columbus Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49180	From: William Porter	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day

Thanks for the photo Alistair, I am happy to see pictures of the old Flyer things. In fact, I like seeing all of the older trains from the pre-war era. Since come of them are the right size to mix with S-Gauge American Flyer, this list seems like a good place to post them and to discuss them. According to our Yahoo Group definition, we discuss S-Scale and S-Gauge trains. Since lots of the pre-war Flyer, Ives, Dorfan and some others are S-Size, I hope our colleagues won’t find such mentions objectionable. The Marx and Hafner trains of S-Scale and S-Size from most of the first ¾ of the 20th Century also fit the posted rules, but, I am sure that Marx is more welcome on the Marx list than here. The rift between AC Gilbert and Wm Hafner has probably not yet healed enough for them to appear on this list. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alistair McAllister Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:52 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Something you don't see every day I have posted in Ali's Flyer downunder a picture of my 1919 O gauge electric Flyer, (Flyer's first electric set), on my little combined O and S gauge layout, passing my 21107 loco of 1965/66 vintage - one of the last made. Guess it's something you would not see every day. I must apologize for the poor quality photo - time I had a new digital camera. BTW the S gauge track is 1950's French JEP, which because it is fractionally wider than Flyer track, can also be used to run my French and German commercial S gauge trains. Being fractionally wider in track they bind on Flyer corners but the Flyer stock has no problem using these rails. Alistair _._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49181	From: lember2004	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: replies to Corvette car & track maintenance car ?'s

Thanks for the replies, both on- and off-line to my two recent questions. I learned that on the Corvette cars, two projections out of the top of the flat fit into two holes in the base of the vette to hold it in place and also that there is a difference between a Corvette originally used on a flat vs. one used in a slot car set [no motor opening vs. an opening in the underside]. Also learned that the Track Maintenance Car draw bar wasn't actually used for anything. Thanks for taking the time to reply! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49182	From: Grant	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sad News From Local Train Store

My deepest sympathies. For those not familiar with California, if you plan to go the scenic route between SF & LA it's a nice stopping point. A few years back, I happened to see the store and convinced my wife to stop. I did not have a problem trying to give them my money even without s scale. I wish you the best through these times Grant Bishop --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Sorry to hear of his passing, but just out of curiosity, where is > Atascadero? > > Roy Inman > > From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:06:55 -0700 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Sad News From Local Train Store > > got an email today from Anita at Central Coast Trains, here in > Atascadero, that > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49183	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49184	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: On non-flyer S, and those track maintenance cars

Hi all, Been lurking more than posting lately, too much other stuff going on! Marx made S! True, it ran on "wide gauge" three rail track, but you swap trucks for AF trucks, and voila, some great S scale cars, including Santa Fe passenger cars. Unfortunately, the passenger cars seem scarce enough, I can't bring myself to do that yet! Apparently there was S made in Europe too, from reading some of the recent posts. BTW, even some 027 L stuff is S or so close, like the double door boxcar (why they haven't picked up on that and put AF trucks under it for a "new" AF freight car is beyond me). It would fit right in with "classic" AF, details, but not as many as other modern production. I find these discussions and photos facinating. That late track maintenance car with the "Made in Japan" motor and a tow hook. Ah yes, it's there, but the instructions clearly state that it isn't designed to haul anything! Besides, it runs to fast to keep anything on the track (don't ask me how I know that & why I know what it takes to put a coupler there). That's why after one season on my childhood winter layout, it went back into the box and is still there. I wonder if the pot metal axle gear has disintegrated already, next time I get my trains out of storage (at least they're IN the future train room) I'll have to look. Looks like another smokey dry day here. Hope y'all are staying safe with this wierd weather and firestorms (here we are dry, and back east they're too wet!?!). For some reason, our creek started flowing again yesterday, after a month of being dry Gotta watch out for rattlesnakes, as they populate the usually dry, rocky streambed this time of year! Hope to "see" you at chat tonite! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49185	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day - Digest Number 4108

A. C. Gilbert and William Hafner never had a rift. Haffner and William O. Coleman, Sr., then president of the American Flyer Manufacturing Co. of Chicago did (before WW I). Bob Bubeck In a message dated 6/29/2008 7:14:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: The rift between AC Gilbert and Wm Hafner has probably not yet healed enough for them to appear on this list. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49186	From: lember2004	Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Marx S reference? [was: On non-flyer S, and those track maintenance

Is there a good reference [web page or book], ideally with pictures, for Marx S True? Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > Been lurking more than posting lately, too much other stuff going on! > Marx made S! True, it ran on "wide gauge" three rail track, but you swap trucks for AF trucks, and voila, some great S scale cars, including Santa Fe passenger cars. Unfortunately, the passenger cars seem scarce enough, I can't bring myself to do that yet! Apparently there was S made in Europe too, from reading some of the recent posts. BTW, even some 027 L stuff is S or so close, like the double door boxcar (why they haven't picked up on that and put AF trucks under it for a "new" AF freight car is beyond me). It would fit right in with "classic" AF, details, but not as many as other modern production. I find these discussions and photos facinating. > That late track maintenance car with the "Made in Japan" motor and a tow hook. Ah yes, it's there, but the instructions clearly state that it isn't designed to haul anything! Besides, it runs to fast to keep anything on the track (don't ask me how I know that & why I know what it takes to put a coupler there). That's why after one season on my childhood winter layout, it went back into the box and is still there. I wonder if the pot metal axle gear has disintegrated already, next time I get my trains out of storage (at least they're IN the future train room) I'll have to look. > Looks like another smokey dry day here. > Hope y'all are staying safe with this wierd weather and firestorms (here we are dry, and back east they're too wet!?!). For some reason, our creek started flowing again yesterday, after a month of being dry Gotta watch out for rattlesnakes, as they populate the usually dry, rocky streambed this time of year! Hope to "see" you at chat tonite! > S' > David D. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49187	From: William Porter	Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Marx S reference? - One More On Line

And, I nearly forgot http://www.toyandtrainguides.com/marxtin.htm This guy knows a lot about Marx. One section in this web site is for 3/16ths scale cars. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lember2004 Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:51 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Marx S reference? [was: On non-flyer S, and those track maintenance cars] Is there a good reference [web page or book], ideally with pictures, for Marx S True? Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49188	From: William Porter	Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Marx S reference? [was: On non-flyer S, and those track maintena

Books: The older versions (4th and 5th editions of "O'Brien's Collecting Toy Trains have a few B&W photos". The 6th edition left them out for the metal cars. Web: I search eBay O Scale, Marx from time to time using these lists: Freight number 1: (256,1950,254000,2532,2700,3200,9100,70311,174580,3550,13079,13549) Freight number 2: (17899,20102,347000,174580,80410,35461,33773,44572,53941,71499,92812) Passenger: (234,236,1217,1007,3152,3197,3557,3558) The freights in these lists are mainly lithography on tinplate. The details are printed rather than being 3D castings or add-ons. Some of the later, plastic Marx cars have built in details. You have to see each one to decide if it is a fit for you and your RR. I have created an album named: Marx S-Size with one photo in it of a Flyer and a Marx loco. If I read the Yahoo options right, other folks should be able to add photos to the album and start an on-line reference for us. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lember2004 Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:51 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Marx S reference? [was: On non-flyer S, and those track maintenance cars] Is there a good reference [web page or book], ideally with pictures, for Marx S True? Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49189	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49190	From: lember2004	Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Marx S reference? - One More On Line

Thanks for the references and the album start-up! Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "William Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > And, I nearly forgot http://www.toyandtrainguides.com/marxtin.htm > > > > This guy knows a lot about Marx. One section in this web site is for 3/16ths > scale cars. > > > > Bill > > > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of lember2004 > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:51 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Marx S reference? [was: On non-flyer S, and those track > maintenance cars] > > > > Is there a good reference [web page or book], ideally with pictures, > for Marx S True? Mark > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49191	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49192	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49193	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49194	From: Jim King	Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Need modeler's input

In early August, I will be introducing a 100-ton Barber roller bearing truck with code 110 wheels and rotating end caps, a first in our scale. At this time, I'm trying to determine if there is sufficient interest to offer a code 175 hi-rail wheel/flange option. The trucks will be kits, not RTR, but are easily assembled and packed with details that are impossible to injection mold, such as the 7-spring cluster with INTERIOR spring helices. Wheelsets will be provided pre-set on axles. Axles and wheel treads/flanges will be black-oxided brass with another possible option of the treads being bright nickel plated brass. The modeler will deflash the bolster, sideframes and spring cluster urethane castings and assemble in a matter of minutes. Injection molded end caps have mounting pins that align with the axle ends. The entire assembly can be painted with acrylic or lacquer based paints. Target retail price is $15 per pair (1 car's worth). Please reply off-list if you have interest in seeing a hi-rail version produced and indicate how many you'd buy either direct or from your favorite dealer. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49195	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: FOR SALE

hi, i have the following for sale, contact me off list at lglumac@... #30 pass car $25 #944 crane (4) $35 each 650 pass cars red or green LC $25 each #718 nice mail car with button pick up and one mail bag $75 LC #7210 light cars 2 $30 each #636 $25 #24561 crane $35 #948 $25 #30 caboose 5 at $20 each [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49196	From: Trains	Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Need modeler's input

Mr. King, Although I would not be one of the "modern" modelers (I am into the 40's-50's), I certainly would encourage the option of scale and or hi-rail. There do seem to be far more hi-rail modlers and many of those may be "modern" RR enthusiasts. Some that I know buy dozens of cars at a time and like commodity drags with lots of grain/coal etc. cars and multiple engine lash ups. Another thought might be networking the sale of this truck to AM and SHS and others who may be into producing "modern" rolling stock..to help increase sales and lower unit costs. And certanly individually packaged to sell in "S friendly" hobby shops I would like to further suggest, if I may be so bold, you may be able find some way to provide an assembled version also. It may be possible to tumble the castings to remove flash and develope some jigs/fixtures that make assembly quick and low cost. I am sure you have pondered these thoughts yourself. There is also a lower temp. "Zamack" that can be cast into vulcanized rubber moulds and free or spun cast...may be an alternative... nice to have weight of metal on trucks, better bearing surfaces and better for deburring in a vibrator tank. I know "Kadee Quality Products Co" here in Oregon had to overcome thes problems, to be able to offer a very high quality,competitvely priced, RTR car (Sure much higher production no's with distributor/wholesale pricing considered). It took some doing...but it's all made in USA!!! I do want to say that items you have offered are excellent and keep up the great things you are doing S gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49197	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: FOR SALE

----- Original Message ----- From: lglumac@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] FOR SALE hi, i have the following for sale, contact me off list at lglumac@... #30 pass car $25 #944 crane (4) $35 each 650 pass cars red or green LC $25 each #718 nice mail car with button pick up and one mail bag $75 LC #7210 light cars 2 $30 each #636 $25 #24561 crane $35 #948 $25 #30 caboose 5 at $20 each [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49198	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Need modeler's input

I know you asked us to reply off line, but as a hi-railer that builds PRS kits, etc, and occassinally "upgrades" or at least updates Gilbert AF rolling stock and steam engine tender trucks/wheelsets, I would like 4 pairs of hirail trucks - - possibly more as I gain experience with them. Can you provide a link, or phone number? Here's an interesting article with pics that might help some to better envision your product - - it helped me. http://www.trains.com/mrr/objects/pdf/mr_pi_5- 06_freightcartrucks.pdf

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49199	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Thrust plate?

I continue to work on my Comet diesel. It's gone from a non-running basket case to a mediocre-running engine. I'm not sure how fast it should run around the track, but it could never keep up with my steamers or my Baldwin diesel as it runs now, so I think I have a ways to go. Something seems to be putting a drag on the motor and after many hours of study and "tweaking", I haven't found it yet. My question tonight for you diesel mechanics concerns the thrust plate listed in the parts list for this motor. I'm assuming(?) that this plate is supposed to be at the end of the drive shaft and limit its forward and back motion as the loco is shifted from forward to reverse. Currently there is about 1/16-inch travel ( or slightly more) of the shaft. I do not see any thrust plate on either end of the chassis. I assume they should go in that little pocket. What holds the thrust plate(s) in place? Should there be a thrust plate on both ends to eliminate the travel? Am I correct in thinking that the worm gears should be positioned directly over the drive gear? Thanks in advance for your help. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49200	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Thrust plate?

The thrust plates do limit travel, and are inserted into a slight dovetail shape in the truck that holds them in place. Your real drag issue is probably worn trucks causing excessive radial axle clearance. This excessive clearance from wear of the truck bushings (or where the bushings would go) causes the armature worm gear to to ride on the helical gear on the axle. This drag will cause poor motor performance. The fix is to send the trucks out for re-bushing. I doubt you see much improvement after inserting the thrust plates. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 12:28:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Thrust plate? I continue to work on my Comet diesel. It's gone from a non-running basket case to a mediocre-running engine. I'm not sure how fast it should run around the track, but it could never keep up with my steamers or my Baldwin diesel as it runs now, so I think I have a ways to go. Something seems to be putting a drag on the motor and after many hours of study and "tweaking", I haven't found it yet. My question tonight for you diesel mechanics concerns the thrust plate listed in the parts list for this motor. I'm assuming(?) that this plate is supposed to be at the end of the drive shaft and limit its forward and back motion as the loco is shifted from forward to reverse. Currently there is about 1/16-inch travel ( or slightly more) of the shaft. I do not see any thrust plate on either end of the chassis. I assume they should go in that little pocket. What holds the thrust plate(s) in place? Should there be a thrust plate on both ends to eliminate the travel? Am I correct in thinking that the worm gears should be positioned directly over the drive gear? Thanks in advance for your help. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49201	From: Gale Hall	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Thrust plate?

Jim, You have thrust washers on the armature of the steamer, the thrust plates are at the end of the armature on the AF Alco and GP truck chassis....you can try some washers and see what it takes to feel real smooth....the washers are about like frog hair in thickness and you might need them on either side of the armature... gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ensign To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Thrust plate? I continue to work on my Comet diesel. It's gone from a non-running basket case to a mediocre-running engine. I'm not sure how fast it should run around the track, but it could never keep up with my steamers or my Baldwin diesel as it runs now, so I think I have a ways to go. Something seems to be putting a drag on the motor and after many hours of study and "tweaking", I haven't found it yet. My question tonight for you diesel mechanics concerns the thrust plate listed in the parts list for this motor. I'm assuming(?) that this plate is supposed to be at the end of the drive shaft and limit its forward and back motion as the loco is shifted from forward to reverse. Currently there is about 1/16-inch travel ( or slightly more) of the shaft. I do not see any thrust plate on either end of the chassis. I assume they should go in that little pocket. What holds the thrust plate(s) in place? Should there be a thrust plate on both ends to eliminate the travel? Am I correct in thinking that the worm gears should be positioned directly over the drive gear? Thanks in advance for your help. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49202	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Thrust plate?

Hi Jim, yes there should be two plates one at each end to keep the lash in check. The plates are being made still, and so you can check the parts list from whom ever you get your parts from. You may also check the links in this group as well. They don't have a high price to them, and they are very small. When you picked up this basket case did you look in the box to make sure they were not in there, and I say one more time. They are small, and black in color. Also look in the inside of the cover plates. They will stick to the new lub when disloged from there pockets. When you cleaned this up could they be still in the same area of your shop? Just a few thing to think about. I have done just about most of them. Clayton S. D. --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> wrote: > From: Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Thrust plate? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 10:28 PM > I continue to work on my Comet diesel. It's gone from a > non-running > basket case to a mediocre-running engine. I'm not sure > how fast it > should run around the track, but it could never keep up > with my > steamers or my Baldwin diesel as it runs now, so I think I > have a ways > to go. Something seems to be putting a drag on the motor > and after > many hours of study and "tweaking", I haven't > found it yet. > > My question tonight for you diesel mechanics concerns the > thrust plate > listed in the parts list for this motor. I'm > assuming(?) that this > plate is supposed to be at the end of the drive shaft and > limit its > forward and back motion as the loco is shifted from forward > to reverse. > Currently there is about 1/16-inch travel ( or slightly > more) of the > shaft. I do not see any thrust plate on either end of the > chassis. I > assume they should go in that little pocket. What holds > the thrust > plate(s) in place? Should there be a thrust plate on both > ends to > eliminate the travel? Am I correct in thinking that the > worm gears > should be positioned directly over the drive gear? > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49203	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Thrust Plate

Jim, I think you've found one of your major problems, YES those little pockets should contain the thrust plates, a small square of plastic (or maybe it was "fishplate" cardboard, knowing ACG's habit of using everything up, these could be made from waste from transfromer and field coil parts). I don't have any books handy, but the "usual suspects" carry them. there should be little if any end play in the armature--just enough to allow it to expand when it's warm! Run 'em if ya got 'em! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49204	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: All Aboard Winter Set 20814

I accidentally found these three pictures yesterday and placed them in Ed's photos. Somebody asked about these a couple of years ago and I said when I find them i will post them on the list. The 4th picture is a room overall and the 5th shows where the set was located. The cars are all Christmas Cars being pulled by a 21005 0-6-0. The cars are SHS except for the boxcar done up with Budweiser Christmas pictures. Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49205	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Feedback on Thrust Plates

Thanks to all of you that took the time to respond to my question regarding thrust plates on AF diesels. Many suggested the real culprits might be the need for new axle bushings, but I replaced those earlier. There was significant wear in them. The new bsuhings made a big difference. I also had to replace the brushes, brush holder and springs, one bearing hold-down strap, one drive axle, several screws, and the wiring. It has been quite a learning experience! I will order some new thrust plates from Port Lines and try that. Little by little, I'll get her going again. Thanks again!! Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49206	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Feedback on Thrust Plates

Jim, In addition to the thrust plates, check the centering of the armature in between the field arms. The armature should have the same clearance around it to the adjacent field arms. This is accomplished by adjusting the 2 screws at the top of the yoke on the outside of the field. If the armature is centered and everything else is proper the performance should improve. Running properly a dual motor Alco will absolutely fly around the track. Good Luck, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:27:32 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Feedback on Thrust Plates Thanks to all of you that took the time to respond to my question regarding thrust plates on AF diesels.Many suggested the real culprits might be the need for new axle bushings, but I replaced those earlier. There was significant wear in them. The new bsuhings made a big difference. I also had to replace the brushes, brush holder and springs, one bearing hold-down strap, one drive axle, several screws, and the wiring. It has been quite a learning experience!I will order some new thrust plates from Port Lines and try that. Little by little, I'll get her going again.Thanks again!!Jim E. _________________________________________________________________ Do more with your photos with Windows Live Photo Gallery. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_photos_022008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49207	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: American Models

it is still there, CHECK YOUR SPELLING

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49208	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: I'm looking for info on the 1956 B- unit with Roar #471

Do any of you out there know if parts were hard to get for AC to make this 471 that they drop the Roar & the switch in the chassis on some of the 471 models? Here is the ebay link to see the items. Yes that is an 19-B 300 wat, and this needed only a new cord. There were no cracks in the case! The NH needed one brush, and the lower fingers in the R unit for it to run. Oh the horn was gone. Then all the rest was just over the top. Not one item had been opened in years, and a few were dated 1956! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=120268090282 Clayton S. D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49209	From: John and Maria Harvey	Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: AC Gilbert's Grandson

Does anyone know the address of the website of A C Gilbert's grandson, David Gilbert, as per the article on Gilbert's Radio Car in the March/April 2008 "S Gaugian"? Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49210	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: Re: I'm looking for info on the 1956 B- unit with Roar #471

Hi all, never mined it was a late night. I now know the dates for the 471 horn, and when they were made. The 471 I have was pre- 1956 - and the roar was starting out for 1956 new line of train. There is no date stamp inside the shell, but the speaker in side will tip you off to when it was made. When I popped the 471 open I was thinking some one had changed the roar out for the air chime stile a long time back. That is why I asked all of you for the Q&A on this one. Clayton --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "uvl97222" <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Do any of you out there know if parts were hard to get for AC to make this 471 that they > drop the Roar & the switch in the chassis on some of the 471 models? > > Here is the ebay link to see the items. Yes that is an 19-B 300 wat, and this needed only a > new cord. There were no cracks in the case! The NH needed one brush, and the lower fingers > in the R unit for it to run. Oh the horn was gone. Then all the rest was just over the top. > > Not one item had been opened in years, and a few were dated 1956! > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=120268090282 > > Clayton S. D. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49211	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: Feedback on Thrust Plates

Hi I used the material from fiber washers for thrust plates. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 1:27 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Feedback on Thrust Plates Thanks to all of you that took the time to respond to my question regarding thrust plates on AF diesels. Many suggested the real culprits might be the need for new axle bushings, but I replaced those earlier. There was significant wear in them. The new bsuhings made a big difference. I also had to replace the brushes, brush holder and springs, one bearing hold-down strap, one drive axle, several screws, and the wiring. It has been quite a learning experience! I will order some new thrust plates from Port Lines and try that. Little by little, I'll get her going again. Thanks again!! Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49212	From: g94a95	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Wanted

I need about 25 pieces of str8 black rubber roadbed, some terminals and half str8s and half curves if anybody has any extra...Finally getting my layout up and going but ran short of above items to get the track completed...Thanx in advance....Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49213	From: race944t	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Several armored cars for sale???

Has anyone noticed auctions on ebay like TOOTSIE #4635 ARMORED CAR & AMER FLYER 715 LOAD NICE Item number: 150267060405? This is the third one of these I've seen with exactly the same photo. Are they being reproduced? The seller seems to be making the claim it is a pre-war item and original, but the pictures from all the items are the same. Thoughts??? Banker Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49214	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: American Models Freight Cars for sale

This is a continuation of the large collection I am selling for a lady whose father passed away.  Pictures are available on request.   Where available, I include "book values" from the 2008 Greenberg book as a reference, but don't treat those as firm prices. Make an offer she can't refuse.   1508 Tropicana 50 foot boxcar assembled, HI RAIL no box, C-8 $33.00   The following are ready-to-assemble kits.  All appear to be new in the original box, with high rail trucks and wheelsets.   NMRA 1989 convention AstroRail 89 reefer kit, "TINPLATE" STAMPED ON BOX, C-9 $30.00   P&WV gondola 1990 kit, parts in sealed plastic bag "HI RAIL" STAMPED ON BOX, C-9   P&WV gondola 7245 kit, parts in sealed plastic bag "HI RAIL" STAMPED ON BOX, C-9   New Haven 40ft brown boxcar kit, parts in sealed plastic bag "HI RAIL" WRITTEN ON BOX, C-9   New Haven 40ft orange boxcar kit, parts in sealed plastic bag "HI RAIL" WRITTEN ON BOX", C-9    114 PRR 40ft boxcar 47011 kit, parts in sealed plastic bag, C-9 $34.00   114 PRR 40ft boxcar 47703 kit, parts in sealed plastic bag, C-9 $34.00   114 PRR 40ft boxcar 49237 kit, parts in sealed plastic bag, C-9 $34.00   119 CnO 40ft boxcar 2339 kit, parts in sealed plastic bag, C-9 $34.00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49215	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: Several armored cars for sale???

Thoughts: That car would be a load for the prewar 472 - not the postwar 715; BUT: Original cars were not camouflaged, nor were they that base color. Original prewar cars had white rubber wheels. I've heard that the red (plastic) MGs are always repros, as well. So, something, probably several things, are not right, here. Caveat emptor. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49216	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: Several armored cars for sale???

It is my understanding they were also used as a load for the immediate post war S gauge cars. Whether or not those ones were camouflaged I do not know. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hosmer Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 7:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Several armored cars for sale??? Thoughts: That car would be a load for the prewar 472 - not the postwar 715; BUT: Original cars were not camouflaged, nor were they that base color. Original prewar cars had white rubber wheels. I've heard that the red (plastic) MGs are always repros, as well. So, something, probably several things, are not right, here. Caveat emptor. Dick Hosmer No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49217	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: Several armored cars for sale???

Pre-war armored cars came with gray metal rims with white rubber tires. Solid rubber black tires were post-war. The armoured car pictured is post-war and looks original to me. Harwood **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49218	From: pkrae	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: FLYER CABOOSES.....

Was there a real prototype for the Flyer caboose that had BOTH a cupola AND a bay-window?  What was this type of caboose called? ThanX.   Happy 4th!   john jones [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49219	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: Several armored cars for sale???

Hi Alistair1 how you doing? Clayton --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: > From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Several armored cars for sale??? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 4:19 PM > It is my understanding they were also used as a load for the > immediate post > war S gauge cars. Whether or not those ones were > camouflaged I do not know. > Alistair > > > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Richard Hosmer > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 7:11 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Several armored cars for sale??? > > > > Thoughts: > > That car would be a load for the prewar 472 - not the > postwar 715; BUT: > Original cars were not camouflaged, nor were they that base > color. > Original prewar cars had white rubber wheels. I've > heard that the red > (plastic) MGs are always repros, as well. > > So, something, probably several things, are not right, > here. > > Caveat emptor. > > Dick Hosmer > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release > Date: 7/3/2008 > 7:19 PM > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49220	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES

_Cabooses :: Rail Merchants International, Inc._ (http://www.railmerchants.net/cabooses/index.htm) Try this link or Google cabooses...Mike S Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49221	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cabooses, armored cars and eBay

Yep, strange as it may seem, there was a caboose just like the capola and bay window one from Flyer. I think International Car Company made them, but they were not popular. I think Burlington had a few, but my memory isn't clear enough to say for sure. I believe all the Tootsie Toy armored cars were originally produced in solid colors. Yes, these are/were being repro'ed as are/were the Manoil Coupe and other old vehicles of interest. They were in the Diecast Direct catalog a few years ago at least. As to some of the sellers on eBay, I'm afraid there are some less that reputable types out there. Passing off repro stuff as original, and other misrepresentation of what the item is or it's quality are popular. Beware of dark or blured photos which hide details. Reselling the same item over and over because they have friends who "shill" the prices up for them and get stuck with the item is another stunt I notice. At least two outfits have changed their names a few times when caught by eBay doing this stuff and they keep on going. I don't do a lot of eBay, usually troll it when train show season is over around here looking for bits and pieces and interesting projects for kit bashing. I end up bidding on WAY more items than I get because many of the prices get bid beyond what items are worth. While the majority of eBay sellers are very reputable, like any auction, there are two supreme rules: Decide what you'll pay to start with and don't get sucked into a bidding war. And Buyer Beware, know what you're after very well. Stumpy Stone...Appalachian Flyer...Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49222	From: G C	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: FLYER CABOOSES.....

John and others, This caboose reminds me of the ones that the Penn Central had, but without the bay window. I asked this question sometime ago, but never got a clear answer. Maybe someone will answer it for both of us. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49223	From: Gale Hall	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: FLYER CABOOSES.....

Gene, I don't think there were any cabooses made with both features, the Burlington and the Wabash had cabooses like the Flyer version, but lacking the baywindow feature.....back several years ago when those shells were 12 for 10 bucks you could make a nice baywindow caboose by cutting one shell long of the baywindow and one short of the baywindow...and if you have damaged ones you can cut out the baywindow and graft in a window panel from a second shell and make a nice caboose with the sloped cupola. And the Burlington cabooses went right into the BN , just as the Wabash cabooses went into the N&W.....and there are those folks out there that still feel the N&W after the merger stood for Nickel Plate & Wabash..... gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FLYER CABOOSES..... John and others, This caboose reminds me of the ones that the Penn Central had, but without the bay window. I asked this question sometime ago, but never got a clear answer. Maybe someone will answer it for both of us. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49224	From: G C	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: FLYER CABOOSES.....

Thanks Gale,   Somehow, I didn't think the thing was for real. The old Penn Centrals that I remember sure never had a bay window. Anyway, the Flyer design is somewhat of a departure as for the most part Gilbert made stuff according to some actual prototype. There are a lot of good examples pictured on the web of the prototypes that you mention. Also, thanks for the "Flyer bashing" ideas you suggested.   Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49225	From: pkrae	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: FLYER CABOOSES.....

Would the "cost" to Flyer in producing a die be less for a prototype that was somewhat "obscure"?   john jones   <>   --- On Sat, 7/5/08, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: G C <ecphora123@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FLYER CABOOSES..... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 2:31 PM Thanks Gale,   Somehow, I didn't think the thing was for real. The old Penn Centrals that I remember sure never had a bay window. Anyway, the Flyer design is somewhat of a departure as for the most part Gilbert made stuff according to some actual prototype. There are a lot of good examples pictured on the web of the prototypes that you mention. Also, thanks for the "Flyer bashing" ideas you suggested.   Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49226	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/6/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49227	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: FLYER CABOOSES.....

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Thanks Gale, >   > Somehow, I didn't think the thing was for real. The old Penn Centrals that I remember sure never had a bay window. Anyway, the Flyer design is somewhat of a departure as for the most part Gilbert made stuff according to some actual prototype. There are a lot of good examples pictured on the web of the prototypes that you mention. Also, thanks for the "Flyer bashing" ideas you suggested. >   > Gene > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Dear Gene, > There is one on e-bay item #280241345347. It has 24633 on the side. It is the one with the bay windows and rear coupala. Thanks, Alan Lambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49228	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: American Models Freight Cars for sale

Robert, Please post your email address so I can contact you direct. Thanks, Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: s-trains list ; Sgauge Available Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Freight Cars for sale This is a continuation of the large collection I am selling for a lady whose father passed away. Pictures are available on request. Where available, I include "book values" from the 2008 Greenberg book as a reference, but don't treat those as firm prices. Make an offer she can't refuse. 1508 Tropicana 50 foot boxcar assembled, HI RAIL no box, C-8 $33.00 The following are ready-to-assemble kits. All appear to be new in the original box, with high rail trucks and wheelsets. NMRA 1989 convention AstroRail 89 reefer kit, "TINPLATE" STAMPED ON BOX, C-9 $30.00 P&WV gondola 1990 kit, parts in sealed plastic bag "HI RAIL" STAMPED ON BOX, C-9 P&WV gondola 7245 kit, parts in sealed plastic bag "HI RAIL" STAMPED ON BOX, C-9 New Haven 40ft brown boxcar kit, parts in sealed plastic bag "HI RAIL" WRITTEN ON BOX, C-9 New Haven 40ft orange boxcar kit, parts in sealed plastic bag "HI RAIL" WRITTEN ON BOX", C-9 114 PRR 40ft boxcar 47011 kit, parts in sealed plastic bag, C-9 $34.00 114 PRR 40ft boxcar 47703 kit, parts in sealed plastic bag, C-9 $34.00 114 PRR 40ft boxcar 49237 kit, parts in sealed plastic bag, C-9 $34.00 119 CnO 40ft boxcar 2339 kit, parts in sealed plastic bag, C-9 $34.00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49229	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Flyer cabooses

You guys are beginning to make me question my sanity....or at least my memory! I'm sure that I've seen pictures of this bay and capola car and read an article on it somewhere. Perhaps I'll have to dig into my stock of old magazines and books and see what I can find. While the cost of making a prototypical or non-prototypical caboose are the same, Gilbert did usually follow a particular prototype. Even as out of scale for S scale as the Franklin and Casey Jones were, they represented real locomotives. Stumpy Stone...possible victim of early Alzheimer's in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49230	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Seeking USPS, AF-Themed Mailbox

I need to replace my residential mailbox. QUESTION: Has anyone ever seen a real, working mailbox (typical residential type that sits on a pole at the end of your driveway) that has an American Flyer theme to it ??? * I did a Google search on "locomotive mailbox" and there are several available that look like locomotives. But none that I could find, appear to have anything to do specifically with American Flyer. * I also did a Google search on "American Flyer mailbox", and none of those results seemed to have anything to do with AF mailboxes. As always, THANKS in advance, for any info you can provide. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OTHER COMMENTS: * The door mechanism would need to be STURDY, as our postmen tend to close the door while they are starting to drive the mail truck away -- with the result that the (relatively sturdy) plastic door on my present plastic mailbox has been ripped off (by the postmen). So now I need to replace this mailbox, and I thought to myself, "why not get one with an American Flyer (S gauge) theme". * I suppose a talented person (this excludes me unfortunately), could possibly make their own, by buying a sturdy, plain rectangular mailbox with a relatively flat top surface -- and then somehow attaching a piece of Flyer or Gargraves or similar track -- and on that track somehow attach one or more old Flyer cars or similar, to give it an "American Flyer theme". * Alternately, I suppose the mailbox could be a plain-shaped mailbox, but be PAINTED with some kind of American Flyer theme or photo. * I think at one time, there used to be a company named "Eastwood Memorabilia" that might possibly have marketed something like this (not sure if they had an AF mailbox or not), but as I recall they dropped that whole railroad memorabilia product line. (Their current website is, I believe, at http://www.eastwoodco.com/ ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ======== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49231	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cabooses

No Stumpy you are not loosing it. There was a prototype for the Bay window caboose. I have seen a photo of it too but like you I can not find it now. If memory servers me it was an Illinois Central or Nickle Plate scheme but I may be wrong on that. AC Gilbert must have wanted to get the best play value out of the molds and found this one served as a Platypus of cabooses. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:27 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Flyer cabooses You guys are beginning to make me question my sanity....or at least my memory! I'm sure that I've seen pictures of this bay and capola car and read an article on it somewhere. Perhaps I'll have to dig into my stock of old magazines and books and see what I can find. While the cost of making a prototypical or non-prototypical caboose are the same, Gilbert did usually follow a particular prototype. Even as out of scale for S scale as the Franklin and Casey Jones were, they represented real locomotives. Stumpy Stone...possible victim of early Alzheimer's in Appalachia. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49232	From: papehoward	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Correct whistle control for 360/361

I was wondering if someone could tell me the correct control for the whistle/horn on the 361 manufactured in November 1950. Is it the vacuum contol as the325AC, 1950, or the chime whistle control made in 1951. Thank you, Howard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49233	From: G C	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cabooses

Sorry Stumpy, we don't want you to "loose it".  I did some looking on the net and just couldn't find any pics of the bay window / offset cupola combo. If anyone does come up with an image of the "real life" hybrid, please let us know as we all want to save Stumpy. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49234	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: S Scale interiors

Hi Guys, This may have been previously discussed, but I just found out about this company that makes S Pullman full interiors. http://www.palacecarco.com Their website is very nice complete with shopping cart ordering. Check em out and make them happy they offered S products! Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1536 - Release Date: 7/5/2008 10:15 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49235	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Correct whistle control for 360/361

Howard, it's the one that has " Air Chime Whistle Control" on it. The tub is not a vacuum tub. The #305 - #315- #365- #295- #325- works with the Air Chime Whistle Control. For the best sound for the #325- try the #710 Controler. Clayton --- On Sun, 7/6/08, papehoward <papehoward@...> wrote: > From: papehoward <papehoward@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Correct whistle control for 360/361 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 5:52 AM > I was wondering if someone could tell me the correct > control for the > whistle/horn on the 361 manufactured in November 1950. Is > it the vacuum > contol as the325AC, 1950, or the chime whistle control made > in 1951. > Thank you, Howard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49236	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: FOR SALE

hi, silver bullet engine, crome is bad $45, two crome cars , crome is nice bottoms are rusty, $100 for both, contact me off list at lglumac@... thanks lou. -------------- Original message -------------- From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Howard, it's the one that has " Air Chime Whistle Control" on it. The tub is not a vacuum tub. The #305 - #315- #365- #295- #325- works with the Air Chime Whistle Control. For the best sound for the #325- try the #710 Controler. Clayton --- On Sun, 7/6/08, papehoward <papehoward@...> wrote: > From: papehoward <papehoward@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Correct whistle control for 360/361 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 5:52 AM > I was wondering if someone could tell me the correct > control for the > whistle/horn on the 361 manufactured in November 1950. Is > it the vacuum > contol as the325AC, 1950, or the chime whistle control made > in 1951. > Thank you, Howard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49237	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Flyer cabooses - diverging topic

Now you have me curious Stumpy - I have heard the prototype for the Casey Jones was likely a PRR D-class American - but I'm not sure which one. But the Franklin? I have never heard a prototype mentioned. Do you know of one? Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > You guys are beginning to make me question my sanity....or at least my > memory! I'm sure that I've seen pictures of this bay and capola car > and read an article on it somewhere. > Perhaps I'll have to dig into my stock of old magazines and books and > see what I can find. > While the cost of making a prototypical or non-prototypical caboose are > the same, Gilbert did usually follow a particular prototype. Even as > out of scale for S scale as the Franklin and Casey Jones were, they > represented real locomotives. > Stumpy Stone...possible victim of early Alzheimer's in Appalachia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49238	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cabooses - diverging topic

Al & Stumpy& All, I saw the #88 in a movie. It had three cars. It was the exact set. It was in the movie"Alias Jessie James" With Bob Hope. It was in the first 5 mins of the film. Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49239	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/6/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49240	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES

2221 built by ATSF 1948, to TP&W 529, to WICT 529 North Freedom, WI as WICT 529, ex-TP&W 529, cupola & bay window, MidContinent Rwy Mus. Here is an example of a caboose that was bilt by ATSF With both Cupola & bay window. Sorry no picture **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49241	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: For Sale: American Models freight car pix are now online

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Amer_Models.html   Gilbert Flyer items are now on a separate page, and I have started uploading pictures of accessories:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Gilbert_AF.html   The Flyonel engines and cars are still on the original page:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49242	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: FOR SALE

hi, more stuff for sale 342 DC not tested $225 in good shape needs cleaned two 302 AC VERY NICE $40 EACH 312AC very nice shape,didnot run when power was applied to it, i didnot work on it yet $150 303 nice one $35 ho engine 31005 not tested $45 contact me off list at lglumac@... -------------- Original message -------------- From: lglumac@... hi, silver bullet engine, crome is bad $45, two crome cars , crome is nice bottoms are rusty, $100 for both, contact me off list at lglumac@... thanks lou. -------------- Original message -------------- From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Howard, it's the one that has " Air Chime Whistle Control" on it. The tub is not a vacuum tub. The #305 - #315- #365- #295- #325- works with the Air Chime Whistle Control. For the best sound for the #325- try the #710 Controler. Clayton --- On Sun, 7/6/08, papehoward <papehoward@...> wrote: > From: papehoward <papehoward@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Correct whistle control for 360/361 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 5:52 AM > I was wondering if someone could tell me the correct > control for the > whistle/horn on the 361 manufactured in November 1950. Is > it the vacuum > contol as the325AC, 1950, or the chime whistle control made > in 1951. > Thank you, Howard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49243	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: latest photos

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=65&m=t&o=0 Latest photos of layout, as the last five pictures are the latest. S Helper Field is almost done. I just have to put the out field grass down. Then I will add the foul line, foul poles, and wood fencing. I ordered a Citgo Fenway Park sign today, along with the baseball players. I just have some parts of the freight yard to ballast. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49244	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: latest photos

Mike, looks like you are about ready to host the BAAFC meeting at your place. (http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=65&m=t&o=0) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49245	From: Trains	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cabooses

Stumpy, there were some photo's of this very unusual design and they probably appeared in the S Gaugian in the 60's some time, in articles dealing with AF by various authors. I have already packed away my S mags for my pending move so can't thumb through them...I also think there was mention and photo in an issue of Trains...no clue as to when. There were only a few produced...some may have wound up in Canada somewhere, and I believe some "eastern" RR's had a few. It is also possible they may have found there way to US military. It seems there is some foggy memory of an article about this unusual car. Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49246	From: G C	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES

Now I'm really confused myself. Look at this:  http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=848170%c2%a0- it sure doesn't look like our "flyer species". Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49247	From: Glenn	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: latest photos

Hey Michael, The layout looks great. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] latest photos http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=65&m=t&o=0 Latest photos of layout, as the last five pictures are the latest. S Helper Field is almost done. I just have to put the out field grass down. Then I will add the foul line, foul poles, and wood fencing. I ordered a Citgo Fenway Park sign today, along with the baseball players. I just have some parts of the freight yard to ballast. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1537 - Release Date: 7/6/2008 5:26 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49248	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES

Lets face it our beloved later day Gilbert AF Caboose was an "edsel"  of the model  train industry, we all have or had  them, but there is no proto-type of this caboose, I have exhausted all sources that I have.  But there isn't a "cuter" cabeese around! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --- On Sun, 7/6/08, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: G C <ecphora123@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: CABOOSES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:56 PM Now I'm really confused myself. Look at this:  http://www.rrpictur earchives. net/showPicture. aspx?id=848170 - it sure doesn't look like our "flyer species". Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49249	From: pkrae	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES

I always thought they looked "super deluxe"......like one would find them only at the end of an executive train in a passenger train line-up!   john jones   <>   --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: CABOOSES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 7:44 PM Lets face it our beloved later day Gilbert AF Caboose was an "edsel"  of the model  train industry, we all have or had  them, but there is no proto-type of this caboose, I have exhausted all sources that I have.  But there isn't a "cuter" cabeese around! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --- On Sun, 7/6/08, G C <ecphora123@yahoo. com> wrote: From: G C <ecphora123@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: CABOOSES To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:56 PM Now I'm really confused myself. Look at this:  http://www.rrpictur earchives. net/showPicture. aspx?id=848170  - it sure doesn't look like our "flyer species". Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49250	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: latest photos

Thanks Glenn. It is a work in progress. O:)! It might be ready for Opening Day next year, as I have many up and downs with it, but the ups seem to come through in the end. Have not fooled with wiring anything yet. Can't wait. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest photos Hey Michael, The layout looks great. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] latest photos http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=65&m=t&o=0 Latest photos of layout, as the last five pictures are the latest. S Helper Field is almost done. I just have to put the out field grass down. Then I will add the foul line, foul poles, and wood fencing. I ordered a Citgo Fenway Park sign today, along with the baseball players. I just have some parts of the freight yard to ballast. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1537 - Release Date: 7/6/2008 5:26 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49251	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: latest photos

Harwood, If I do, I will put you all to work. LOL Maybe when it is all done. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest photos Mike, looks like you are about ready to host the BAAFC meeting at your place. (http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=65&m=t&o=0) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49252	From: Gale Hall	Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Wabash caboose

Gene, At least this has half of the required items: www.rr-fallenflags.org/wab/wab2816ads.jpg gale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49253	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wabash caboose

here is the corrected link http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wab/wab2816ads.jpg ----- Original Message ---- From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2008 9:35:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wabash caboose Gene, At least this has half of the required items: www.rr-fallenflags. org/wab/wab2816a ds.jpg gale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49254	From: G C	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES

Thanks to all who have given of their time on the Caboose issue. One last thought before someone comes up with a surprising image (I doubt it) that will delight and mystify. Why would a caboose have both a cupola as well as a bay window? Would that not be redundant? Or would such a thing be do to a special situation where the cupola was no longer adequate for vision. Which begs the question why did a few railroads begin using the bay window? Was that again because the cupola was no longer adequate for their operation? Just a guess here - with the advent of higher box cars did the bay window offer an advantage? Then again, not all railroads used them.   Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49255	From: pkrae	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: CABOOSES

Better vision is ALWAYS an advantage, so there is no mystery here.  The MilwRR used bay-windows on the PCE as side vision was more important.  In other places, the vantage points offered by a cupola proved better.  And many railroads held both types for different routes.  "Redundant" would mean 2 cupolas or 4 bay-windows.   john jones   <>   --- On Mon, 7/7/08, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: G C <ecphora123@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: CABOOSES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 9:02 AM Thanks to all who have given of their time on the Caboose issue. One last thought before someone comes up with a surprising image (I doubt it) that will delight and mystify. Why would a caboose have both a cupola as well as a bay window? Would that not be redundant? Or would such a thing be do to a special situation where the cupola was no longer adequate for vision. Which begs the question why did a few railroads begin using the bay window? Was that again because the cupola was no longer adequate for their operation? Just a guess here - with the advent of higher box cars did the bay window offer an advantage? Then again, not all railroads used them.   Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49256	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Lionel Does Not Care About Its Customers

I just contacted Lionel about obtaining the replacement smoke unit (Part #6408064200) for the Flyonel Northern as per the article in the July/August S Gaugian magazine by Bob Bubeck. I was informed that this part was available, but it would cost me $20 plus shipping. When I asked about why it was not free, I was told this was a replacement, not a fix. The only fix was the replacement gasket, which does minimize the squeak but does nothing to fix the lack of smoke problem. In other words, Lionel is refusing to stand behind their problem--even though they now realize that it was issued with a faulty smoke unit (since the new smoke unit is being used on all new Northern releases). Apparently, Bob's receipt of 2 free units was due to a special relationship that he has with Lionel--and not due to the fact that Lionel really cares about its products.   Oh well, another reality check that Lionel's customer service is absolutely worthless and that, unlike S-Helper Service, Lionel refuses to stand behind their products. Joe  Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49257	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Does Not Care About Its Customers

Hi Joe I read the same article and telephoned Lionel and received the same scenario, $ 20.00. I went ahead and bought it because I can't stand the squeak. Whenever I run the trains for company they ask, why don't you lubricate it? It sounds dry! I tell them it's a LIONEL and that is normal. They just raise there eyebrows. Might as well give them credit for the sounds. I might just leave the new part out. and run it as is. Have a great day!! Regards, Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haenn To: S Trains Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Does Not Care About Its Customers I just contacted Lionel about obtaining the replacement smoke unit (Part #6408064200) for the Flyonel Northern as per the article in the July/August S Gaugian magazine by Bob Bubeck. I was informed that this part was available, but it would cost me $20 plus shipping. When I asked about why it was not free, I was told this was a replacement, not a fix. The only fix was the replacement gasket, which does minimize the squeak but does nothing to fix the lack of smoke problem. In other words, Lionel is refusing to stand behind their problem--even though they now realize that it was issued with a faulty smoke unit (since the new smoke unit is being used on all new Northern releases). Apparently, Bob's receipt of 2 free units was due to a special relationship that he has with Lionel--and not due to the fact that Lionel really cares about its products. Oh well, another reality check that Lionel's customer service is absolutely worthless and that, unlike S-Helper Service, Lionel refuses to stand behind their products. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49258	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Does Not Care About Its Customers

Please enlighten me. How is the "New" Northern smoke unit diffrent from the original? How or what is supposed to be better? Does it still use the smoke regulator board? Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Al Paolozzi Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:29 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Does Not Care About Its Customers Hi Joe I read the same article and telephoned Lionel and received the same scenario, $ 20.00. I went ahead and bought it because I can't stand the squeak. Whenever I run the trains for company they ask, why don't you lubricate it? It sounds dry! I tell them it's a LIONEL and that is normal. They just raise there eyebrows. Might as well give them credit for the sounds. I might just leave the new part out. and run it as is. Have a great day!! Regards, Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haenn To: S Trains Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Does Not Care About Its Customers I just contacted Lionel about obtaining the replacement smoke unit (Part #6408064200) for the Flyonel Northern as per the article in the July/August S Gaugian magazine by Bob Bubeck. I was informed that this part was available, but it would cost me $20 plus shipping. When I asked about why it was not free, I was told this was a replacement, not a fix. The only fix was the replacement gasket, which does minimize the squeak but does nothing to fix the lack of smoke problem. In other words, Lionel is refusing to stand behind their problem--even though they now realize that it was issued with a faulty smoke unit (since the new smoke unit is being used on all new Northern releases). Apparently, Bob's receipt of 2 free units was due to a special relationship that he has with Lionel--and not due to the fact that Lionel really cares about its products. Oh well, another reality check that Lionel's customer service is absolutely worthless and that, unlike S-Helper Service, Lionel refuses to stand behind their products. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49259	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Electrical pick up shoes

Okay Flyer fixers, put on your thinking caps..... Number One:I recently was cleaning up a 295 New Haven style steam loco for the hobby shop and discovered that it had "diesel like" pick up shoes on the tender trucks and wouldn't run unless they touched the track. I'd never seen this on a Flyer steamer before. Could this be a retrofit to pick up more electricity that isn't working? Number Two: I also got a 370 GP-7 GM diesel and discovered it had no pick up shoes. Looking in my K-Line Complete Service Guide for American Flyer I see no reference to the steamer with pick up shoes. I also don't see pick up shoes mentioned for the 362, 365,370,371, 372,374, and 405 diesels, but the rest of them are listed with pick up shoes. Okay, what's the story here? I've been told that early diesels picked up power the same way tender trucks do, the whole truck is the pick up through the wheels, one truck "north" and the other "south" electrically. Diesels so equipped don't have traction tires, but have a huge weight above the powered truck. My 370 is exactly this way. Can I add pick up shoe to get better power pick up? Having worked on all steamers before, this is new territory to me! I'd like some expert, experianced advice here! Stumpy Stone...lost in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49260	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cabooses

A caboose with a streamline cupola and a full height bay window à la American Flyer has never existed in the real world. That makes it a perfect subject for urban mythology. Anyone can say "I know I've seen a picture of one, I just can't find it right now." How can you argue with that? The traditional standard caboose had a cupola. It allowed the trainmen to keep an eye on the train, looking above the cars. But as freight cars got higher, this became less practical, and the bay window caboose was developed. Pioneers were the Milwaukee Road and the B&O. The bay window allowed the trainmen to keep an eye on the side, where trouble like a hotbox would more likely be seen anyway. Of course somewhere a real caboose with cupola has had a bay window added. One was found in the MidContinent Railway Museum. For another example, Conrail caboose 23531 is shown on page 41 of Mike Schafer's Book "Caboose." (MBI Publishing Company, 1997) It is of New Haven origin and has a squarish cupola that has had all its windows covered over; and a little NYC-style bay window (see http://www.rr_fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc21778abp.jpg )has been added. The caboose in the museum has also had its cupola windows blanked out. But neither the cupola nor the bay window of those two were anything like our AF version. And we know for sure there was never a railcar manufacturer that had a caboose like our AF caboose in its product line and sold them to railroads. Mr Jones' original question was, "Was there a real prototype for the Flyer caboose that had BOTH a cupola AND a bay-window?" If that means "was there ever a caboose with a streamlined cupola of the Wabash type and a full height bay window," the answer to that is No. But each facet had a prototype. The streamline cupola was probably based on that of the Wabash and the Ann Arbor. ( See http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=708685 for instance.) The bay window could be based on any of scores of bay window designs. Putting both on one caboose, with all the road names that have been painted on it over the years, is strictly a Flyerism. Either it's cute, or it makes us a laughing stock in the world of model railroading, depending on your approach to the hobby. I take no stand here, but I've seen nice S gauge AA cabooses made from the AF cupola and an Industrial Rail body. Tom Hawley - Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49261	From: rwferr1	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Introduction

Hello all, Somehow, I interpreted the rules for this group as not encouraging introductions, but since reading the recent one and seeing the warm response received, I am going to introduce myself. I'm 62, got first wind up train at 1, first electric at 3, all Marx, got some more Marx O-27 trains a few years later, then went into HO scale at age 10. Inherited a small AF freight set from Dad, ran it once, don't know where he got it, he wasn't into trains. Much later volunteered to build our club's multi-gauge 5' x 50' layout. This had a G gauge over and under figure 8 on it when the member working on it quit the club. If I hadn't volunteered, we would have torn it down. I have since rebuilt 3/4 of the G gauge to make it level and accomodate an O and S gauge loop above it. We're (I have one helper) about 9 feet from completing the 110' O gauge loop and will then start on the S gauge. Visitors donated the track and equipment, but the AF stuff had only two runnable cars, a 631 gon and a 625 tank. There were 3 other cars plus two gutted locos,a tender and a chopped down caboose in the box. I have since taken a crash course in restoring AF gear to running condition and have thoroughly enjoyed it, even when the 631 gon's link coupler pin would not let go without sawing down the rivet part. At first I was disappointed that most of the cars were gons, but I decided to make a Christmas train out of it and bought packages to load into the gons. Then I saw the Naughty/Nice hopper set on ebay and decided to make my own coal load. Found a local coal dealer and am now screening a load of scale coal for a restored Wabash 940 hopper. Now I find I'm buying more cars, mostly gons, on ebay. Club rule is we don't fund minority gauges (other than HO), so here I am personally sinking over $100 into it already. I think I've gone into my second childhood and am having a ball. We don't have enough Flyer track to do the 110' feet loop and used track is not cheap. I did find a stash of steel rail and one of our members is making up 4' lengths of S gauge track soldered to PC board ties. We haven't started the S level yet, but I do have a location for the end loops selected. When we get some progress made, I'll post some pix if you are interested. This will be a mountainous themed layout, 3 railroads built through tough terrain and not got away cheap, so tunnels and bridges will be numerous. It will be set in wintertime and the O loop will have a Lionel Polar Express running on it. The upper S level will be gons of Xmas packages plus the one load of coal. About how many cars will the 21160 Reading Atlantic pull on a level? We'll include a siding so a second train can be made up facing the other direction to add some some interest. I joined this group to learn more about American Flyer and how to repair it. Turns out some of the things I tried in the way of truck and coupler repair were documented in your archives so I guess I'm doing it right. I also checked out the upstairs train site and have learned a lot of info and history there. I checked my 4 regional editions of "Cabins, Crummies, and Hacks" and could not find the combination AF bay window/cupola caboose, but that doesn't rule it out. Ron Ferrel Pocatello, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49262	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Seeking USPS, AF-Themed Mailbox

Jim, I saw one a long time ago. I was a teenager and a Mr. Carter Eike, in Richmond, Virginia, more specifically, in Bon Air had one that was painted up like a train locomotive and actually had an opening boiler front on it. Carlton **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49263	From: pkrae	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cabooses

One thing is for sure;......no one is laughing at the price these Flyer cabooses can bring!   jj   <>   --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cabooses To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 1:58 PM A caboose with a streamline cupola and a full height bay window à la American Flyer has never existed in the real world. That makes it a perfect subject for urban mythology. Anyone can say "I know I've seen a picture of one, I just can't find it right now." How can you argue with that? The traditional standard caboose had a cupola. It allowed the trainmen to keep an eye on the train, looking above the cars. But as freight cars got higher, this became less practical, and the bay window caboose was developed. Pioneers were the Milwaukee Road and the B&O. The bay window allowed the trainmen to keep an eye on the side, where trouble like a hotbox would more likely be seen anyway. Of course somewhere a real caboose with cupola has had a bay window added. One was found in the MidContinent Railway Museum. For another example, Conrail caboose 23531 is shown on page 41 of Mike Schafer's Book "Caboose." (MBI Publishing Company, 1997) It is of New Haven origin and has a squarish cupola that has had all its windows covered over; and a little NYC-style bay window (see http://www.rr_ fallenflags. org/nyc/nyc21778 abp.jpg )has been added. The caboose in the museum has also had its cupola windows blanked out. But neither the cupola nor the bay window of those two were anything like our AF version. And we know for sure there was never a railcar manufacturer that had a caboose like our AF caboose in its product line and sold them to railroads. Mr Jones' original question was, "Was there a real prototype for the Flyer caboose that had BOTH a cupola AND a bay-window?" If that means "was there ever a caboose with a streamlined cupola of the Wabash type and a full height bay window," the answer to that is No. But each facet had a prototype. The streamline cupola was probably based on that of the Wabash and the Ann Arbor. ( See http://www.rrpictur earchives. net/showPicture. aspx?id=708685 for instance.) The bay window could be based on any of scores of bay window designs. Putting both on one caboose, with all the road names that have been painted on it over the years, is strictly a Flyerism. Either it's cute, or it makes us a laughing stock in the world of model railroading, depending on your approach to the hobby. I take no stand here, but I've seen nice S gauge AA cabooses made from the AF cupola and an Industrial Rail body. Tom Hawley - Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49264	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Marx Caboose

I have considered converting a Marx Caboose. Am I the only one who sees that one end was never detailed. The roof walk is thick at one end and the door sticks out with no detail. Now if this is the same Caboose as the Industrial Rail caboose I will not bother to convert. By the way IR by Atlas as a new caboose. Is it S gauge? It use looks like the Ertle caboose in the battery train. Atlas could buy the Ertle dies and have a cheep RTR S train set. That is enough detail for a stater set. I have powered the GP and am detailing the caboose. The box car would be good to advertise your club name for it is set up for signs. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49265	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: RE;Introduction

Welcome aboard Ron! There's a great cross section of S gaugers here, from scale modelers to avid collectors, to everything in between! And eveyone is very helpful and friendly. Even though I've been in model railroading all my life (58 now) and have worked at least a little in every scale from Z to ride on size, I'm constantly learning new things! The more I learn, the more I realize I don't yet know! You'll fit in well here, and be sure to ask questions and share your experiances. I'm an S gauge "Hi-railer" someone who uses toy train (American Flyer) wheels, couplers, and rail to do model trains. I kit-bash (customize) old Flyer stuff, much to the displeasure of a few of the collectors (I'm bad, don't talk to me!) (-: And I'm enjoying the hobby more than I ever have. That's the whole point of a hobby...have FUN! Releive stress. This is the place. Enjoy Stumpy Stone...Mad Butcher...Creative Imagineer...Class Clown...from my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49266	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Marx Caboose

Jim: I recall that there was a series of articles on converting that Marx caboose to scale in the S Gauge Herald. I'm sure the library has copies if you need them. I think they split the thing down the middle and rejoined the pieces. It kinda conformed to the dimensions of the AF caboose which they used as a guide. Steve ____________________________________________________________ Find precision scales that can weigh anything. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iieo1yiWyyh7phDoI6VCaMIgETiLWs7blNd0URJZejMrhy2Wf/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49267	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Electrical pick up shoes

Many Northerns and Hudsons (3 and 5 digit models) have "boxed" pu shoes, but most Pacifics, if they have a pu, utilize the lever type. That's not to say not a single 295 was ever made with the boxed type. If the side frame is original (not retrofitted) and it has the necessary features cast into it to position and hold a "box" then very likely that engine came from the Gilbert factory that way. Odd combinations of things left as model to model and model year transistions occurred. Parts were sometimes used until they were used up (making latter release engines/cars sometimes have an older part) or if an old part was used up prematurely then the next version/variation of that part was put on a predecessor engine/car. Finding the oddity now and then is fun, and usually leads to conversation. Perhaps this is a case and point. Generally speaking, yes, if there's a pu shoe then all the better than without. With a shoe in addtions to metal wheels, there's more reliable continuity of connection with the rails on that side. The only drawback(s) can occur if the box gets loose, or shoe bent in, then the shoe can come out, or the spring pop out the side, or the shoe wobble too much that it can slip off the railhead of certain track types (e.g. S-Trax) and catch at the joint between sections, especially in curves when run in reverse. All are rectiifable conditions if/when properly recognized and diagnosed. PS Note that Gilbert production boxed pu shoes are more maleable and better plated than most latter production (i.e. Flyonel, and/or repros) shoes, so be careful when adjusting their span or width to achiever good tolerance and well aligned travel up and down in their box. They can be very brittle and snap more and/or have their plating break off more easily than the "good ol' ones".

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49268	From: G C	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cabooses

Thanks Tom, That was a beautifully written post. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49269	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Electrical pick up shoes

Stumpy-   I have scanned the pages from an original Gilbert Service Station manual for the 370 (1950 version and 1957 version) and for the 285/295. Not sure how much help they will be but the images will be larger and clearer than the K line manual. Located in the photos under Bill's American Flyer.   Now for some dusty memories. I think the pick up shoes on GP-7 locos are a part of the truck side frames. Since the shoes were added after the move to knuckle couplers and those frames may not fit without removing the couplers and the support it may not work to try to add them - but it may be possible. As to the 295 the shoes were added to the pick up trucks for locomotives with air chime whistles. Those that end in xx4 have an inverted T shaped large pickup shoe and those that end in xx5 or xx6 have the diesel type pick up shoe. The shoe helps with lower static pickup and noise for the speaker mechanism in the tender. The added bonus is that pick up is better overall. I think the pockets, springs and shoes are available in the parts market but the mounting of them while maintaining conductivity may be interesting.   Bill Drake Stretched between Virginia and Missouri - I64 all the way. --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Electrical pick up shoes To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 1:23 PM Okay Flyer fixers, put on your thinking caps..... Number One:I recently was cleaning up a 295 New Haven style steam loco for the hobby shop and discovered that it had "diesel like" pick up shoes on the tender trucks and wouldn't run unless they touched the track. I'd never seen this on a Flyer steamer before. Could this be a retrofit to pick up more electricity that isn't working? Number Two: I also got a 370 GP-7 GM diesel and discovered it had no pick up shoes. Looking in my K-Line Complete Service Guide for American Flyer I see no reference to the steamer with pick up shoes. I also don't see pick up shoes mentioned for the 362, 365,370,371, 372,374, and 405 diesels, but the rest of them are listed with pick up shoes. Okay, what's the story here? I've been told that early diesels picked up power the same way tender trucks do, the whole truck is the pick up through the wheels, one truck "north" and the other "south" electrically. Diesels so equipped don't have traction tires, but have a huge weight above the powered truck. My 370 is exactly this way. Can I add pick up shoe to get better power pick up? Having worked on all steamers before, this is new territory to me! I'd like some expert, experianced advice here! Stumpy Stone...lost in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49270	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction

Welcome to the group Ron, Most of us are in that 55-65 age group and I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I too am having a ball. Don't hesitate to ask questions, there are some genuine Flyer experts here that are more than willing to help anyone at any time. Keep the "Flyer Classics" rolling. Keep having fun Larry Moore, Weaverville, NC To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: rwferr@...: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:32:15 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Introduction Hello all,Somehow, I interpreted the rules for this group as not encouragingintroductions, but since reading the recent one and seeing the warmresponse received, I am going to introduce myself.I'm 62, got first wind up train at 1, first electric at 3, all Marx,got some more Marx O-27 trains a few years later, then went into HOscale at age 10. Inherited a small AF freight set from Dad, ran itonce, don't know where he got it, he wasn't into trains. Much latervolunteered to build our club's multi-gauge 5' x 50' layout. This hada G gauge over and under figure 8 on it when the member working on itquit the club. If I hadn't volunteered, we would have torn it down. I have since rebuilt 3/4 of the G gauge to make it level andaccomodate an O and S gauge loop above it. We're (I have one helper)about 9 feet from completing the 110' O gauge loop and will then starton the S gauge. Visitors donated the track and equipment, but the AFstuff had only two runnable cars, a 631 gon and a 625 tank. Therewere 3 other cars plus two gutted locos,a tender and a chopped downcaboose in the box. I have since taken a crash course in restoring AFgear to running condition and have thoroughly enjoyed it, even whenthe 631 gon's link coupler pin would not let go without sawing downthe rivet part. At first I was disappointed that most of the carswere gons, but I decided to make a Christmas train out of it andbought packages to load into the gons. Then I saw the Naughty/Nicehopper set on ebay and decided to make my own coal load. Found alocal coal dealer and am now screening a load of scale coal for arestored Wabash 940 hopper. Now I find I'm buying more cars, mostlygons, on ebay. Club rule is we don't fund minority gauges (other thanHO), so here I am personally sinking over $100 into it already. Ithink I've gone into my second childhood and am having a ball. Wedon't have enough Flyer track to do the 110' feet loop and used trackis not cheap. I did find a stash of steel rail and one of our membersis making up 4' lengths of S gauge track soldered to PC board ties. We haven't started the S level yet, but I do have a location for theend loops selected. When we get some progress made, I'll post somepix if you are interested. This will be a mountainous themed layout,3 railroads built through tough terrain and not got away cheap, sotunnels and bridges will be numerous. It will be set in wintertimeand the O loop will have a Lionel Polar Express running on it. Theupper S level will be gons of Xmas packages plus the one load of coal.About how many cars will the 21160 Reading Atlantic pull on a level?We'll include a siding so a second train can be made up facing theother direction to add some some interest.I joined this group to learn more about American Flyer and how torepair it. Turns out some of the things I tried in the way of truckand coupler repair were documented in your archives so I guess I'mdoing it right. I also checked out the upstairs train site and havelearned a lot of info and history there.I checked my 4 regional editions of "Cabins, Crummies, and Hacks" andcould not find the combination AF bay window/cupola caboose, but thatdoesn't rule it out.Ron FerrelPocatello, Idaho _________________________________________________________________ It�s a talkathon � but it�s not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49271	From: G C	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cabooses

Folks, I mentioned in a recent post that Gilbert usually produced trains that resembled actual prototypes. Lionel on the other hand had tons of stuff that was pure fantasy. The crane tender for one.    I do however remember a few years ago doing a lengthily search on the Flyer ventilated banana express car. There were many ventilated cars used for the transport of produce, but none followed the lines of this car. Actually others more learned than I (Al Westerfield for one) have commented that the car more resembled a civil war era box car. Even there the length of the banana car is too long at 40-feet. So I guess that makes number two in the "fantasy flyer" realm. It would however look really great with truss rods or a center sill added underneath.   Yes, I know these were all intended as toys, but it is really cool figuring out matching prototypes.   Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49272	From: acgtx	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Restring AF 751 Log Loader

Hi! I recently acquired a log loader that needs some work to include restringing. Does anyone have suggestions on where I can find/acquire info on this? Best Regards! Art Richardson, TX

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49273	From: pkrae	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cabooses

I know what you mean.  The original Lionel aquarium car is by far more fun than the actual real thing.   john jones   <>   --- On Mon, 7/7/08, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: G C <ecphora123@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cabooses To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 9:11 PM Folks, I mentioned in a recent post that Gilbert usually produced trains that resembled actual prototypes. Lionel on the other hand had tons of stuff that was pure fantasy. The crane tender for one.    I do however remember a few years ago doing a lengthily search on the Flyer ventilated banana express car. There were many ventilated cars used for the transport of produce, but none followed the lines of this car. Actually others more learned than I (Al Westerfield for one) have commented that the car more resembled a civil war era box car. Even there the length of the banana car is too long at 40-feet. So I guess that makes number two in the "fantasy flyer" realm. It would however look really great with truss rods or a center sill added underneath.   Yes, I know these were all intended as toys, but it is really cool figuring out matching prototypes.   Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49274	From: paflyrman	Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cabooses

Just found an old article that I clipped out of an S Gaugian back when Dave Garrigues wrote the American Flyer Collectors' Column. He states about the bay window caboose: "This was modeled after an odd style that had only one or two prototypes on a midwest railroad. There were plans to make a similar caboose only without the bay window. A model was made and painted in a Burlington scheme but decided against in favor of the bay window cupola type." Unfortunately, I failed to mark a date on the pages I clipped, but I'm thinking this was written back in the 80's. Paflyrman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Thanks Tom, > That was a beautifully written post. > Gene Cimino > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49275	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: Restring AF 751 Log Loader

Dear Art, I am Alan Lambert from Fort Worth,Tex. and a member of Lone Star Flyer club. The best place to go would be Carl Tuveson at http://www.tuveson.com . HIS WEBSITE HAS A WELTH OF INFO AND HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP YOU AND ANYONE ELSE. I put that in caps because I have been there. Another would RFG. Thanks , Alan Lambert acgtx <acgtx@...> wrote: Hi! I recently acquired a log loader that needs some work to include restringing. Does anyone have suggestions on where I can find/acquire info on this? Best Regards! Art Richardson, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49276	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: LIONEL standing behind their products

LIONEL standing behind their products. ???? Very seldom do they stand behind there products. They recommend that you send it to a repair shop and pay to get it fixed, or buy the parts from then and fix it your self. I have had it with LIONEL and will NOT purchase any new Flyonel or accessories. With the price of old trains coming down, I buy junk and rebuild it into what I need. Also I purchase "S" scale or high rail several other reliable manufactures. Just waiting for MTH to crank out "S". Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Beauty Advice Just Got a Makeover Read reviews about the beauty products you have always wanted to try http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7UzvVYnPQmq0zqUDVETeZW8kNWW91I5N8qTGSb94ibK4Fkf/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49277	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cabooses

In a message dated 7/6/2008 5:55:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, rr4u@... writes: Stumpy, there were some photo's of this very unusual design ACG used the Car Builders Cyclopedia for products also. The "ERIE" 636-936 depressed center flat (7218) probably came from the 1939 Car Builders Cyclopedia, measuremnets were freely published. Jim Lyle **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49278	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel does not care about their customers -- Digest Number 4117

Dear colleagues, To clarify a few misconceptions: 1. The new smoke unit assembly (cylinder, die-cast support, heating element, smoke chamber, new gasket, and tube) has an enlarged hole at the base of the cylinder and a more generous fiber fill in the smoke chamber. It results in effectively suppressing the infamous "chirp" (beyond what the gasket change alone does) and in somewhat improved smoke generation (by my experience). It still has the 18 ohm heating element and it is intended to be used with the voltage regulator already in the engine. It will not generate smoke to levels one may obtain by changing to an element to higher resistance and bypassing the regulator. For further details, see the July/August 2008 S Gaugian, page 5. 2. Back in March when both I and some friends inquired about the new unit, it was supplied at no cost to us as individuals. Some, but not all of the Northerns involved were under warranty at the time. It appears that Lionel now wants $20 for the unit -- not the end of the world but, yes, free would be better and more fair. Joe failed to mention, by the way, that he did not use the word "warranty" when talking with Chesterfield. Lionel is not perfect, but I have found for the most part that their service is much better than "worthless". 3. Rather than vent on these boards where little attention will be paid to complaints, it would be better to contact: Mike Reagan Director of Customer Service Lionel Electric Trains, LLC Lionel-Ohio 6655 Seville Dr. Canfield, OH 44406. Mike (formerly of TAS) is a decent sort and the guy with which to take up your difficulties if one can not achieve satisfaction over the phone. 4. Joe continues to operate under a misconception that I have some special "in" with Lionel. At the time in March when I and my acquaintances obtained the parts under warranty, I talked to the same nice gate-keeping woman that we all first reach when calling Lionel service. Beyond that, all one can say is that honey works better than vinegar over the phone. ;-) Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 7/8/2008 8:44:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I just contacted Lionel about obtaining the replacement smoke unit (Part #6408064200) for the Flyonel Northern as per the article in the July/August S Gaugian magazine by Bob Bubeck. I was informed that this part was available, but it would cost me $20 plus shipping. When I asked about why it was not free, I was told this was a replacement, not a fix. The only fix was the replacement gasket, which does minimize the squeak but does nothing to fix the lack of smoke problem. In other words, Lionel is refusing to stand behind their problem--even though they now realize that it was issued with a faulty smoke unit (since the new smoke unit is being used on all new Northern releases). Apparently, Bob'Bob'<WBR>s receipt of 2 free units was due to a special relationship that he has with Lionel--and not due to the fact that Lionel really cares about its Oh well, another reality check that Lionel's customer service is absolutely worthless and that, unlike S-Helper Service, Lionel refuses to stand behind their products. Joe **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49279	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale interiors

Bill and others on List, If you are an NASG member, Kit# 9701 and #9702 can be ordered thru the NASG for this special introductory price of $34.95 each (including shipping). VERY FEW OF EITHER KIT REMAIN IN THE NASG INVENTORY AT THIS LOWER PRICE. Members make out your check to "NASG Inc." at $34.95 per kit and send to: NASG Interiors c/o Alan Evans 165 Granville St. Gahanna, OH 43230 - Alan Evans Gahanna, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lane Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 9:23 AM To: S Scale List; S Scale Model Railraoding; S Trains Cc: info@... Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale interiors Hi Guys, This may have been previously discussed, but I just found out about this company that makes S Pullman full interiors

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49280	From: Grant	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Does Not Care About Its Customers

It's the old, " It's not a problem, it's a feature!" A few years back I went back to Michigan for a wedding and found out they still give 'tours' at their old US plant. To give them credit, it was free but basically it was watching a video tape and then going in a room where they still had a layout. To get a real tour i think you need to go to China, not Detroit. I'd much rather go to S Helper open house but I can't find any relatives around there that want to marry around that time. (Note to self: must find new excuse for next open house) A little customer service goes a long way but they just don't get it Grant --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Paolozzi" <amflyral@...> wrote: > > Hi Joe > I read the same article and telephoned Lionel and received the same scenario, $ 20.00. I went ahead and bought it because I can't stand the squeak. Whenever I run the trains for company they ask, why don't you lubricate it? It sounds dry! I tell them it's a LIONEL and that is normal. They just raise there eyebrows. Might as well give them credit for the sounds. I might just leave the new part out. and run it as is. > > Have a great day!! > Regards, Al Paolozzi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joseph Haenn > To: S Trains > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:40 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Does Not Care About Its Customers > > > I just contacted Lionel about obtaining the replacement smoke unit (Part #6408064200) for the Flyonel Northern as per the article in the July/August S Gaugian magazine by Bob Bubeck. I was informed that this part was available, but it would cost me $20 plus shipping. When I asked about why it was not free, I was told this was a replacement, not a fix. The only fix was the replacement gasket, which does minimize the squeak but does nothing to fix the lack of smoke problem. In other words, Lionel is refusing to stand behind their problem--even though they now realize that it was issued with a faulty smoke unit (since the new smoke unit is being used on all new Northern releases). Apparently, Bob's receipt of 2 free units was due to a special relationship that he has with Lionel--and not due to the fact that Lionel really cares about its products. > > Oh well, another reality check that Lionel's customer service is absolutely worthless and that, unlike S-Helper Service, Lionel refuses to stand behind their products. > Joe > > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers > American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line > joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49281	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel does not care about their customers -- Digest Number 4117

If you want perfection you're in the wrong hobby. Lionel, AM, and S- Helper make good products and do a reasonable job or better with customer care. S-Helper is the best of the bunch, but with that said I'm on my 5th version of S-Trax turnouts and think they missed the mark with their AC-Locomatic 2-8-0. Lionel gave us TMCC via the Mikado. My first 3 had to go back for repairs within 6 months. Was I happy about it? No, but today's Mikes and Pacifics have several significant improvements over those early Mikes that clearly show Lionel has an eye on what they're making and work like S-Helper to improve their products over time. Heck, I just sent back my Legacy system for a version 1.2 upgrade. Was I happy about that? No, but I enjoy running Legacy every bit as much as I do DCC and conventional and I believer the changes they've made to it will be worth the effort and wait. I must also say that Lionel proactively communicated the 1.2 update. When I called Customer Service and they were unsure about something they called me back within a couple hours. In addition to that, Mike Reagan personally emailed me very promptly with some more information that I needed. Gilbert stuff wasn't perfect either. Soft metal chassis wear out to easily - - diesel open-frame motors especially. Flat-commutator armatures cup and eventually run faster in reverse than forward. Electro- mechanical reverse units are cantankerous unless tuned exactly right and used regularly, 3 piece steamer drive wheels assembled with friction-fit come apart, 2-position reverse units are a pain, plastic wheels get dirtier faster and worse than metal ones, Gilbert trucks are more prone to lose their gauging than others, etc, etc., but I still have many of them and enjoy them immensely as well. Thank goodness Lionel didn't completely ditch S and that in fact they got more into than ever in the last few years, as well as for all the great products and serice from Don and Robin at S-Helper along with the variety of things to choose from AM as well. If MTH joins in then great, but please realize, for example, that DCS users are still waiting for all the bugs and short-comings with that system to get completely worked out so it can live up to its full potential as well. My advice is collect ceramic figurines or something static like that if everyting has to be right and stay right from day 1.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49282	From: roy inman	Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel does not care about their customers-2-8-0

sgaugian; Just curious what you did not like about the S-Helper 2-8-0? I have two and found them to be very good runners, however admittedly I am not too terribly concerned with exact scale, so if there are visual flaws they went right on over me. I did have problems with the early version of S-Trax turnouts. Don at SHS exchanged for the upgraded ones and charged a very small fee for shipping. I have had no problems with the current turnouts. Roy Inman From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:57:39 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel does not care about their customers -- Digest Number 4117 I'm on my 5th version of S-Trax turnouts and think they missed the mark with their AC-Locomatic 2-8-0. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49283	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Grade Transitions

Hello, I've searched the archives back to 2004 for grade (slope) information. It looks like 4% shouldn't be a problem and 5% might even be OK. But I'm not sure how the transition is accomplished. I understand it should be on a straight, but do you actually bend the rails vertically or just bend the pins at the joints? Thanks. - Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49284	From: Pat Turner	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: FinestKind Models Price Increase

Hi all, most of you are familiar with the FinestKind Models S Scale line of Structures and Details. I have owned the line now for a little more than 3 years and in that time I have made many changes and improvements. Before I bought the line there had not been a price increase in many years and I have not made one since I have owned it. Basically there has not been a price increase in 10 years or so! But with the price of oil driving up the price of Resin and Plastic and the price of lead driving up the price of White Metal as well as the price of wood going up and the new technologies I have added to the line (laser cutting, pressure casting, etc... ) I find that at this time that I must make some adjustments to keep up with our costs. I am working on the new price list and catalog now. It will go into effect with the start of the National Narrow Gauge Convention (September 10th) as that will be when I print a large number of new catalogs. As always you can order in advance I will bring your items to the convention at the current price. You have until September 9th to order with the current pricing. The metal items will show the highest % of increase as the cost of metal has more than doubled in the past 3 years! To be sure though, the average price increase will only be about 10% over the entire line. Pat Turner http://www.TurnerModelWorks.com TurnerModelWorks@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49285	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Grade Transitions

Hi Bruce, Even at 4% the change is so gradual the slack at a rail joint usually is all you need. I had several grade changes to 4% on my layout and didn't purposely bend any pins. Just make sure you can run a steam locomotive over the transition without the drive wheels rising above the track. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I've searched the archives back to 2004 for grade (slope) information. > It looks like 4% shouldn't be a problem and 5% might even be OK. But > I'm not sure how the transition is accomplished. I understand it should > be on a straight, but do you actually bend the rails vertically or just > bend the pins at the joints? Thanks. > > - Bruce >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49286	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: AF Withdrawal

Hello all, I'm in my sixth week in Houston, Texas. I packed up all of my layout, engines, rolling stock, etc a couple of weeks before leaving Atlanta. Now all of my AF is neatly packed away waiting for me to locate and purchase a new home here. The layout took up a large portion of the basement and my Mustang convertible took up another big piece. There are no basements in Houston so I'm looking for a house with a large game room to convert to a train room. I also need a large garage to have room for the Mustang and all the tools, parts, etc. that keep her going. Oh yeah - did I mention the wife? I miss her too - lol! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49287	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel does not care about their

I had 2 AC-Locomatic 2-8-0's. Unlike a couple of my friends that returned theirs, I converted one to TMCC and the other to DCC and very much like both of them in term of how great they look and well they run. In my opinion, the primary shortcomings of the AC-Locomatic version are its sounds and throttle control. The cuff is like a horse trot or gallop, the whistle a prodded moose or other large animal in pain, and the sign off, well someone once aptly described it as their collie after eating something that didn't agree with it. The Locomatic control system is Archean and when run without it the engine also has relatively poor conventional throttle control. Apparently Lionel keeps tight licensing controls on TMCC preventing Ron Thompson and Don Bashista from offering engines with it. OTH ERR and DD offer TMCC and sound boards that work remarkably well. Why, with all the great engine sounds to choose from, Dallas Guttaker at Dallee chose those sounds is beyond me. Scale or prototypical similarity aside, the sounds in the AC-Locomatic unit frankly ruin an otherwise great looking engine. The DCC version with Tsunami decoder and sounds is much better, and my TMCC converted unit with ERR control and sound boards is a delight to run as well. Heck, if the AC-Locomatic 2-8-0 had a better chuff, a whistle for example like that of the new Reading & Northern #425 (see link below), and didn't flatulate when shut off, I'd probably by a third one. After all, I have a couple of 10-button Locomatic boxes wired into to my layout - - for SHS NW-2's, F-units, and AM TM's with Dallee FM sound systems in them (which BTW sound terrific, but can only be activated with a Locomatic box). http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ywsngbt34jw&feature=related <http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ywsngbt34jw&feature=related> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49288	From: Jim King	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: New S scale car kit available

The next offering in my resin kit line will begin shipping next week. It's a Southern Ry. composite gon built from 41'6" flat cars in 1928. This small fleet of 250 cars ran into the early 60s. This design was common on many roads, such as the PRR and WM. Cut and paste this link in your web browser to visit the page for more info: http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/sscalesoucompositegon.html Modern-era modelers take notice: the next kit will be the 1974 PS 50' waffle side box, offered first with Southern decals, followed by a minor body change to allow for CSX and predecessor roads. Bunches of the SR cars are running all over the country in various NS/SR schemes. After these cars, the Southern Silverside coal gon will follow (1960 to ca. 2002). Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49289	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Grade traisition

Remember when going from flat to a grade always transition it. IE: Instead of going from say dead flat to 1" per foot (EXAGERATED!!!!) You go from Flat to 1/16" to 3/16" to 1/2" to etc. It also helps to slightly warp the rails to fit the SMOOTH CURVE formed. Also watch out on curves as sometimes the rails are flat on a curve and causes the loco to lift up on one side.... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49290	From: Scale S Only	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Grade Transitions

Hi Bruce -- If you use a subgrade support for the track, plywood, particle board, OSB, or similar, the vertical curve will take care of itself. "Cookie cutter" style tablework makes this easy. You can also have veritcaI curves on horizontal curves using this construction method. I would expect that if you are using AF or similar sectional track that most of the track's curve will be at the joints... In any case, I would not change the grade more than 1% per foot (or track section) for reliable running. Have fun! Bill Winans I've searched the archives back to 2004 for grade (slope) information. It looks like 4% shouldn't be a problem and 5% might even be OK. But I'm not sure how the transition is accomplished. I understand it should be on a straight, but do you actually bend the rails vertically or just bend the pins at the joints? Thanks. - Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49291	From: gettysburg9	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Which Movie/ Model Trains?

Need some saged help from you experts. I caught a part of an old movie some months back and am desperately attempting to identify this movie (so I can order it and extract some footage) I believe is might be entitled "Christmas Eve" 1947 but am not certain. I remember "Christmas" in the title?? There was a memorable scene where the older woman was sitting at her dining table with some gentlemen. When coffee was served, there was a Lionel model train track encircling the table and the coffee/cups, etc. were distributed via this means. I realize this is slightly off-topic, however these old films with model RR clips are priceless. I also remember one where Shirley Temple was playing in her room with track around the floor. If anyone knows for certain if I am correct on the first described film, it would be appreciated if you would confirm this or correct me. Thanks Paul PS: Also caught "Four's a Crowd". Erroll Flynn and an exotic millionaire race trains (Lionel) around his layout which is out in the open in the yard adjacent to his mansion. The old guy (and his butler) are model train nuts....That was neat as well.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49292	From: The LANIERs	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Which Movie/ Model Trains?

The title of the movie is indeed Christmas Eve. I have a taping of it. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: gettysburg9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Which Movie/ Model Trains? Need some saged help from you experts. I caught a part of an old movie some months back and am desperately attempting to identify this movie (so I can order it and extract some footage) I believe is might be entitled "Christmas Eve" 1947 but am not certain. I remember "Christmas" in the title?? There was a memorable scene where the older woman was sitting at her dining table with some gentlemen. When coffee was served, there was a Lionel model train track encircling the table and the coffee/cups, etc. were distributed via this means. I realize this is slightly off-topic, however these old films with model RR clips are priceless. I also remember one where Shirley Temple was playing in her room with track around the floor. If anyone knows for certain if I am correct on the first described film, it would be appreciated if you would confirm this or correct me. Thanks Paul PS: Also caught "Four's a Crowd". Erroll Flynn and an exotic millionaire race trains (Lionel) around his layout which is out in the open in the yard adjacent to his mansion. The old guy (and his butler) are model train nuts....That was neat as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49293	From: acgtx	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: 751 log loader

Hi I recently acquired a 751 log loader myself and need to restring and repair. I noted that you had similar needs in the past and wondered if you are in a position to share the info that you obtained. Any assistance you are able to offer would be appreciated Thanks Best Regards, Art --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Messinger" <rodder@...> wrote: > > Hello! Can anyone tell me where I might be able to get an exploded > view of the 751? Got one with missing parts and need to see what I > need. Never had one before so I'm in the dark. A suggestion of a book > I should buy for this and other accessories would also be > appreciated! Thanks. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49294	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Which Movie/ Model Trains?

According to www.allmovie.com there is a movie called "Christmas Eve" that was made in 1947. Sadly, it is not on DVD. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: gettysburg9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Which Movie/ Model Trains? Need some saged help from you experts. I caught a part of an old movie some months back and am desperately attempting to identify this movie (so I can order it and extract some footage) I believe is might be entitled "Christmas Eve" 1947 but am not certain. I remember "Christmas" in the title?? There was a memorable scene where the older woman was sitting at her dining table with some gentlemen. When coffee was served, there was a Lionel model train track encircling the table and the coffee/cups, etc. were distributed via this means. I realize this is slightly off-topic, however these old films with model RR clips are priceless. I also remember one where Shirley Temple was playing in her room with track around the floor. If anyone knows for certain if I am correct on the first described film, it would be appreciated if you would confirm this or correct me. Thanks Paul PS: Also caught "Four's a Crowd". Erroll Flynn and an exotic millionaire race trains (Lionel) around his layout which is out in the open in the yard adjacent to his mansion. The old guy (and his butler) are model train nuts....That was neat as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49295	From: roy inman	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Which Movie/ Model Trains?-PS

I believe that the title from Turner is a VHS. For those who have the proper technology, I suppose it could be copied onto DVD for home use only. Roy Inman From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:39:13 -0400 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Which Movie/ Model Trains? According to www.allmovie.com there is a movie called "Christmas Eve" that was made in 1947. Sadly, it is not on DVD. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: gettysburg9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Which Movie/ Model Trains? Need some saged help from you experts. I caught a part of an old movie some months back and am desperately attempting to identify this movie (so I can order it and extract some footage) I believe is might be entitled "Christmas Eve" 1947 but am not certain. I remember "Christmas" in the title?? There was a memorable scene where the older woman was sitting at her dining table with some gentlemen. When coffee was served, there was a Lionel model train track encircling the table and the coffee/cups, etc. were distributed via this means. I realize this is slightly off-topic, however these old films with model RR clips are priceless. I also remember one where Shirley Temple was playing in her room with track around the floor. If anyone knows for certain if I am correct on the first described film, it would be appreciated if you would confirm this or correct me. Thanks Paul PS: Also caught "Four's a Crowd". Erroll Flynn and an exotic millionaire race trains (Lionel) around his layout which is out in the open in the yard adjacent to his mansion. The old guy (and his butler) are model train nuts....That was neat as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49296	From: roy inman	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Which Movie/ Model Trains?

"Christmas Eve 1947" is available from www.turnerclassicmovies.com for $16.99. Supply, they say, is limited so only one copy per customer. Roy Inman From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:39:13 -0400 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Which Movie/ Model Trains? According to www.allmovie.com there is a movie called "Christmas Eve" that was made in 1947. Sadly, it is not on DVD. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: gettysburg9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Which Movie/ Model Trains? Need some saged help from you experts. I caught a part of an old movie some months back and am desperately attempting to identify this movie (so I can order it and extract some footage) I believe is might be entitled "Christmas Eve" 1947 but am not certain. I remember "Christmas" in the title?? There was a memorable scene where the older woman was sitting at her dining table with some gentlemen. When coffee was served, there was a Lionel model train track encircling the table and the coffee/cups, etc. were distributed via this means. I realize this is slightly off-topic, however these old films with model RR clips are priceless. I also remember one where Shirley Temple was playing in her room with track around the floor. If anyone knows for certain if I am correct on the first described film, it would be appreciated if you would confirm this or correct me. Thanks Paul PS: Also caught "Four's a Crowd". Erroll Flynn and an exotic millionaire race trains (Lionel) around his layout which is out in the open in the yard adjacent to his mansion. The old guy (and his butler) are model train nuts....That was neat as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49297	From: charlie and edith	Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: AF Withdrawal / Off Topic

Greetings! BG1, would like to more about your Mustang. Best, Charlie West Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Withdrawal Hello all, I'm in my sixth week in Houston, Texas. I packed up all of my layout, engines, rolling stock, etc a couple of weeks before leaving Atlanta. Now all of my AF is neatly packed away waiting for me to locate and purchase a new home here. The layout took up a large portion of the basement and my Mustang convertible took up another big piece. There are no basements in Houston so I'm looking for a house with a large game room to convert to a train room. I also need a large garage to have room for the Mustang and all the tools, parts, etc. that keep her going. Oh yeah - did I mention the wife? I miss her too - lol! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49298	From: Trains	Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: Re: AF Withdrawal / Off Topic

Be sure to visit with all the S gaugers and see if they are able to let you see their home layouts, and do not miss visitng Gil Freytag (Most amazing HO layout you may ever see)...I helped work on his layout and operated trains for some years...Gil also came over to my home in Houston on ocassion and helped work on the only S scale operating layout at the time. Part of the founding of the Houston S gaugers. The main bennefit here is of course comaraderie...and getting IDEAS for where and how to build a layout and problems encountered and solved in a place where basements collect either brakish water or hydrocarbons. If you think I am kidding dig down a foot or so! A close friend at the time Fred Schmidekind (deceased for years), had a beautiful larger home built with a huge steeply pitched (for Houston standards) roof and was in the process of building a very extensive O scale layout with sweeping curves and big yards...whata guy, whata dream come true. The " attic" was heavily insulated, more than adequate air conditioning and lots of electricity available, and was structuraly designed to be free of most verticle obstructions. Wow! ...is all you could say when coming up into the "train room"!!! So best wishes S gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49299	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: Grade Transitions

An easy way to figure our your grades is to get an old Flyer or Lionel trestle set/grade set and lay them out. Then cut your supporting blocks to match. This is what we did on the layout in the hobby shop and it worked fine, giving us the transition and the grade we needed. If you use flex track, or even sectional track for that matter, make the transition in the middle of the piece. Sometimes making your transition at a rail joint allow the track to make too abrupt of a transition. Before setting anything in stone try your longest locomotives, passenger cars, depressed center flat car, etc. for clearance and derailing. Stumpy Stone...from grade rich Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49300	From: John Stevens	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Grade Transitions

I'm a little fuzzy on grade changes and thought I could get this cleared up. Would a 4% grade be .04 X 12" track section be a .48" change over the track section length? It seems like a big change. Thanks for any help forthcoming on this. Jay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49301	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: Grade Transitions

John , There is nothing fuzzy about your math. The problem, IMHO, is the notion that 4% is somehow OK. 1% can cause locos to labor, and 2% is a disaster. Now, this IS based on the very beginnings of a layout, without a full feeder system, ancient, not-yet-serviced locomotives, etc. And, I am working with prewar 3/16" diecast, so, a 33x with the "big" motor hauling plastic cars would have it easier. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49302	From: Scale S Only	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: Grade Transitions

Hi John / Jay-- A quick and dirty approximation is 1/8" elevation change in one foot of run is 1%. 1/4" = 2%, 3/8" = 3%, etc. There is about a 5% error in this, but it is close enough to use in planning and operation, and the single foot index fits easily into our thinking and space. The more direct answer is that you are correct. And, yes, that is a relatively steep grade. Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ I'm a little fuzzy on grade changes and thought I could get this cleared up. Would a 4% grade be .04 X 12" track section be a .48" change over the track section length? It seems like a big change. Thanks for any help forthcoming on this. Jay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49303	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Grade Transitions

That rule of thumb somehow resonates with me too. Not as an operator with grades on their layout, but as an operator who during the design stages of their layout decided not to have any because within the space I have to work with grades greater than 2-2.5% seemed to net out as not only non-prototypical, but also not very practical without cruise control enabled electronics in at least one engine (which weren't available at the time, but now are from ERR). Unless of course you prefer to work the throttle diligently up and then down with every lap, while of course running other engines, turnouts, accessories, etc. at the same time.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49304	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: Grade Transitions

I always use transitions for my grades. The first foot (or AF section) is at 1%. The second at 2%. The third at 3%. The fourth is your first at the full 4%. American flyer trestles have a 3 1/3% grade. When I use them, I cheat and use only one transition unit. The left end of the first section is flat. The right end is on two popsicle sticks, stacked. (This is about 1/2 of trestle #1.) The next section of AF track ends in trestle #1. Then I use the AF trestles as A.C. Gilbert intended. (The other end is ... #10, #11, #12, #12 with popsicle sticks, #13 which is level.) I have MANY popsicle sticks. When the kids eat one, I keep the stick and run it through the dishwasher. At a price of 'free', they find dozens of uses. Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49305	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: Grade Transitions - Popsicle Sticks

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: > > I always use transitions for my grades. The first foot (or AF section) > is at 1%. The second at 2%. The third at 3%. The fourth is your first > at the full 4%. > Hi Thorin, I use a bunch of popsicle sticks also. I get mine from big box hobby stores like Michaels or Hobby Lobby. A box of 1000 sticks runs less than $5.00. BG1 > American flyer trestles have a 3 1/3% grade. When I use them, I cheat > and use only one transition unit. The left end of the first section is > flat. The right end is on two popsicle sticks, stacked. (This is about > 1/2 of trestle #1.) The next section of AF track ends in trestle #1. > Then I use the AF trestles as A.C. Gilbert intended. (The other end is > ... #10, #11, #12, #12 with popsicle sticks, #13 which is level.) > > I have MANY popsicle sticks. When the kids eat one, I keep the stick > and run it through the dishwasher. At a price of 'free', they find > dozens of uses. > Thorin >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49306	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Grade Transitions

All of my post war steam lcomotives work well on 4% grades. I run with the throttle about 1/2 open. The small speed increase going down grade is offset by the speed decrease going back up grade so I can set the throttle and let 'em run and never touch it again until I want to do something different. Now if you go down grade and then run at a level grade it might take a while for friction to sluff off the added speed. If you have turns on the graded sections the curves will help sluff off the speed increase going down grade. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > That rule of thumb somehow resonates with me too. Not as an operator > with grades on their layout, but as an operator who during the design > stages of their layout decided not to have any because within the space > I have to work with grades greater than 2-2.5% seemed to net out as not > only non-prototypical, but also not very practical without cruise > control enabled electronics in at least one engine (which weren't > available at the time, but now are from ERR). Unless of course you > prefer to work the throttle diligently up and then down with every lap, > while of course running other engines, turnouts, accessories, etc. at > the same time. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49307	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Maximum Grade

Speaking of grade, does anyone remember the old AF ad that said the Pullmore engines could handle a 30 degree grade? If I had my AF with me I'd take a couple of sections of track, a length of wood, a protractor and give it a try - just like Mythbusters - hahahahaha! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49308	From: afjerryk5	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Mythbusters

Mythbusters and trains,Boy oh boy oh boy!The possibilites are endless.Let's see you guys come up with some good ones. Looking for myths to bust in the Hoosier state Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49309	From: Edward G.	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Grade Percentages......

I have put this on a long time ago ..But since its going through the usual amount of postings again ....heres the EASY way to figure it out ... http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/helix/percent_grade.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49310	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: PRR L1 wanted

Hi All, I have a friend that is looking for buy an S Scale Omnicon PRR L1. He is willing to pay a good price. Please reply directly to bill@... if you have 1 for sale or know where there is 1 that MIGHT be for sale with some persuasion. Please reply with price and condition. Photos would be great as well. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: 7/10/2008 6:43 PM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49311	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Greenberg Guide for Crown Models?

Is there a Greenberg Guide for Crown Models?   The collection I'm selling has a number of Crown Models cars and I don't know what they are worth.  If anyone has a Greenberg Guide for Crown Models, could you please help me out?   Pictures of the first of the cars are now online:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Amer_Models.html   SR-7002 Crown Models West India Fruit & Steamship Company reefer #333 SR-9006 Crown Models Schlitz Beer reefer #3771   Both have scale wheelsets.  More are coming!   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49312	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: Maximum Grade

Hi Dave! Glad you made it to Houston just fine. Hang in there! you will get that layout up and going soon. We are seeing the Astro's Sunday in DC! I know, you are a football person. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 2:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Maximum Grade Speaking of grade, does anyone remember the old AF ad that said the Pullmore engines could handle a 30 degree grade? If I had my AF with me I'd take a couple of sections of track, a length of wood, a protractor and give it a try - just like Mythbusters - hahahahaha! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49313	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: 4611-A SET FOR SALE

I have a 4611_A set in the org. Box with org boxes for the cars. It has very little play time. The org. owner said he used it about 3-4 times. It should grade LN to at least E+ I'd like $400... Contact me _Anormal1@ aol.com_ (mailto:Anormal1@ aol.com) OFF LIST Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49314	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Looking for supplier of custom decals

I'm looking for a source for custom decals or transfers. These decals/transfers would have white letters/numbers on a clear transparent background. I have produced what I want in MS Word (but it is black lettering on a white background). I can produce what I want on one or two 8 1/2 x 11 inch sheets. And I only want maybe two sets of these decals. Of the custom suppliers that I know of, they either can not produce white on a clear background or they have a 25 sheet minimum. Can anyone suggest a supplier? Thanks, Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49315	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Greenberg Guide for Crown Models?

Please contact me offline. To: s-trains@...; AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.comFrom: theupstairstrain@...: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:37:23 -0700Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg Guide for Crown Models? Is there a Greenberg Guide for Crown Models? The collection I'm selling has a number of Crown Models cars and I don't know what they are worth. If anyone has a Greenberg Guide for Crown Models, could you please help me out? Pictures of the first of the cars are now online: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Amer_Models.html SR-7002 Crown Models West India Fruit & Steamship Company reefer #333SR-9006 Crown Models Schlitz Beer reefer #3771 Both have scale wheelsets. More are coming! Bob[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49316	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for supplier of custom decals

Larry Eyman of Papa's Trains custom decorated three projects for me recently. He did an outstanding job on them, and I will send him more projects. One of these projects required quite a few custom decals for Southern Railway passenger cars. Larry uses Stan Cedarleaf of Prescott, AZ as his custom decal maker. Most of the custom decals were gold. There were no white. I have reviewed Mr. Cedarleaf's website and read that he uses an Alps printer. I would think he would be able to do white decals and most any other color. His website is _http://gold.mylargescale.com/StanCedarleaf/WebPageDecals/CustomDecalsx.html_ (http://gold.mylargescale.com/StanCedarleaf/WebPageDecals/CustomDecalsx.html) and you can see quite a few models with his decals. His email is _scedarleaf@..._ (mailto:scedarleaf@...) . CheerS - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN In a message dated 7/12/2008 10:32:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, albaker33@... writes: I'm looking for a source for custom decals or transfers. These decals/transfers would have white letters/numbers on a clear transparent background. I have produced what I want in MS Word (but it is black lettering on a white background). I can produce what I want on one or two 8 1/2 x 11 inch sheets. And I only want maybe two sets of these decals. Of the custom suppliers that I know of, they either can not produce white on a clear background or they have a 25 sheet minimum. Can anyone suggest a supplier? Thanks, Al Baker Portland, OR **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49317	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Which Movie/ Model Trains?

NOT SURE a friend of mine 'thinks' may be "LITTLE PRINCESS" I can not recall it from the beginning, maybe the wife taped it off Turner or AMC. Got several boxes of 20+ pluss look for a library book due next Saturday 3 weeks it is missing, may be in the car or my friends house, or my house [Friday a week ago I boughe a loaf of bread(since I had a loaf I put it aside) but where] an the book was missing for two weeks prior. COLLECTING TOY TRAINS, by O'Brian has Flyer HO, S, O, PLUS Lionel,Varney, Ives and more. ____________________________________________________________ Sweepstakes!!! Enter for your chance to WIN one of hundreds of daily prizes. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7Unmj5yHz6qz4PytLzHhBCRpaosio3kAw15VZD5S0cXXu91/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49318	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: how much is it to join NASG

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49319	From: Bob Peters	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Ribbon cable

Can anyone send me a web site for the 4 conductor 4 color ribbon cable used on AF swithches. Thanks, petersbob55@... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49320	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: how much is it to join NASG

www.nasg.org This will get you to our website and all info you need. Welcome in advance. Thanks, Larry Moore http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_072008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49321	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Found: suppliers of custom decals

Thanks to all that responded. I received info on three suppliers - each highly recommended. I will share these for anyone interested: Stan Cedarleaf 11176 E Western Sunset Dr Dewey, AZ 86327-5632 H 928 778-3732 C 520 831-3390 Cedarleaf Custom Decals - Jim Wilhite E-mail Address jwilhite@... Just tell him David Cooke of Classic Trains Plus AZ www.classictrainsplus.com recommended you. Paul Sause. e-mail him at:psause@.... Enjoy your trains ! Al Baker Portland, OR albaker33@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49322	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/13/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 13, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 1 minute. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49323	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Crown Models and K-Line freight cars for sale

Pictures and info are online at:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Amer_Models.html   Values are given for informational purposes; they are not asking prices.  Make offer.   SKU# TCA Description trucks  value  SR-3009 C-10 Crown Models Central Vermont Milk Service reefer #537 hi rail  $45.00 SR-4000 C-10 Crown Models Western Pacific Ice Service Car #7067 hi rail  $50.00 SR-5000 C-10 Crown Models UP Pacific Fruit Express reefer #60603 hi rail  $45.00 SR-7002 C-10 Crown Models West India Fruit & Steamship Company reefer #333 hi rail  $45.00 SR-8002 C-10 Crown Models SR-8002 Hoods Milk reefer #824 hi rail  $60.00 SR-9003 C-10 Crown Models Stroh's Beer reefer #142 hi rail  $55.00 SR-9006 C-10 Crown Models Schlitz Beer reefer #3771 hi rail  $55.00 SR-9050 C-10 Crown Models Post Road Pale Ale reefer #20 hi rail  $35.00 k511-001 C-10 K-Line Ford Boxcar    $19.00 k511-002 C-10 K-Line Timken Boxcar    $19.00 k511-003 C-10 K-Line New Haven Boxcar    $19.00 k511-013 C-10 K-Line Penn Salt Tank Car    $19.00 k511-014 C-10 K-Line Hooker Tank Car    $19.00 k511-015 C-10 K-Line Texaco Tank Car    $19.00 k511-015 C-10 K-Line Texaco Tank Car    $19.00 k511-016 C-10 K-Line Citgo Tank Car    $19.00 k511-032 C-10 K-Line Santa Fe Tank Car    $19.00 K721-5103 C-10 K-Line Coca Cola rotating can car    $38.00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49324	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Today's Bike Ride

On today's bike ride on the C&O Canal, we saw a train with brand new military jeeps on flat cars, just like the ones that Gilbert made, but these jeeps where camelflouge (SP) hummers. Linda said she saw on train car, not the flat cars, that completely pink in color, done professionally! She did not know what kind of car it was. Must be something from a real life Girl's train set. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49325	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ribbon cable

Bob you can pick it up on ebay in 100 feet rolls, just don't over pay for it. Clayton S. D. --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Bob Peters <petersbob55@...> wrote: > From: Bob Peters <petersbob55@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Ribbon cable > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 11:57 AM > Can anyone send me a web site for the 4 conductor 4 color > ribbon cable used on AF swithches. > Thanks, > petersbob55@... > > Bob > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49326	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/13/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 13, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49327	From: Grant	Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Flyer wrappers, boxes & envelopes

Hi Cleaning out under my layout and found original boxes etc that I forgot I had. @ engine wraps many boxes and envelopes. I think I have more that I will throw in but I haven't found them yet. Email me if interested and what you would be willing to trade. I know they are worth something since I see them on ebay all the time. Just about anything s scale (or even o) considered. Not looking to make a killing but I would hate to accidently have my wife dump them so send me your 'accidental purchases' and swap. Email to gwbishop@... Thanks Grant

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49328	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for supplier of custom decals

Hi Have you considered Woodland Scinics. They have dry transfer White letters different sizes and styles. There is also a Canadian company. I hope some one else can help you I misplaced the catalog, but they had rail road cars and just letters. ____________________________________________________________ Recharge and relax. Click for great vacation packages. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mqDbsXhNSUNfAdcssSn3FewQj8BsuLw7NKfGbwR4JFdPqun/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49329	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ribbon cable

I saw some ribbon wire at the hobby store. IT WAS A HO REPEAT HO HOBBY STORE. 2, 3, and 4 conductor wire, Modle Power I think had it. It was different colors than flyer. Telephone wire also nad 4 different colors but it was not ribbon wire it was like a cable with 24-30 not sure what size but it worked fine in the switches on My Nephew layout. ____________________________________________________________ Free information on the best Web Hosting. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nBPXML9sLLk0swQ14Lf2wZusqU2ZeE1OEVK0TCQWpUhOAbB/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49330	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: For Sale: American Models freight car pix are now onlin e

I wrote to theupstairstrain@ yahoo and mail came back no Yahoo address. fom mailer deamon. ____________________________________________________________ Click to shop and compare great deals on trucks. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l1wbM5OcpBd0lWfLZDFkPvzXr5m8Yjk8zPufMCEcLaYuyS3/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49331	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for supplier of custom decals

The Canadian Company you are referring to is CDS Lettering Ltd.. They carry hundreds of dry transfer lettering sets for over 100 different roadnames in G, O, S, HO and N scales. Here is their contact information: C-D-S Lettering Ltd., P.O. Box 65074 Napean, Ontario Canada K2G 5Y3 Fax: (613) 226-5747 E-mail: cds_lettering_ltd@... Bruce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ . Re: Looking for supplier of custom decals Posted by: "n9guy@..." n9guy@... miken9guy Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:39 am (PDT) Hi Have you considered Woodland Scinics. They have dry transfer White letters different sizes and styles. There is also a Canadian company. I hope some one else can help you I misplaced the catalog, but they had rail road cars and just letters. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49332	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: For Sale: American Models freight car pix are now onlin e

Try upstairsroom@... Barry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > I wrote to theupstairstrain@ yahoo and mail came back no Yahoo address. > fom mailer deamon. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to shop and compare great deals on trucks. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l1wbM5OcpBd0lWfLZDFk PvzXr5m8Yjk8zPufMCEcLaYuyS3/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49333	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Weld repair of a crosshead

Hi all, I put some photos in for all of you to see the weld repair that I do with S.S. wire on Crossheads. Feed back boy?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49334	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: For Sale: American Models freight car pix are now onlin e

Try again.  It's working fine - I'm getting plenty of messages.   Make sure you use theupstairstrain@... --- On Sun, 7/13/08, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] For Sale: American Models freight car pix are now onlin e To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 11:00 PM I wrote to theupstairstrain@ yahoo and mail came back no Yahoo address. fom mailer deamon. ____________________________________________________________ Click to shop and compare great deals on trucks. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l1wbM5OcpBd0lWfLZDFkPvzXr5m8Yjk8zPufMCEcLaYuyS3/ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49335	From: ken garber	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: custom decals

On 14 Jul 2008 13:01:34 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > There are 6 messages in this issue. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > 4a. Re: Looking for supplier of custom decals > Posted by: "n9guy@..." n9guy@... miken9guy > Date: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:39 am ((PDT)) > > There is also a Canadian company. I hope some one else can help you > I misplaced the catalog, but they had rail road cars and just letters. > > ____________________________________________________________ You're probably thinking of CDS. They've closed down but many of their sets may be available. Check http://www.canadasouthern.com/tmr/CDS.htm or http://www3.sympatico.ca/cds_lettering_ltd/default.htm Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49336	From: John Foley	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: S Bridges

Hi Folks I found a gentlemen who produces bridge kits. He will be happy to do some in S. Needs dimensions. he sells through ebay at, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150270611659&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting When you get to his website scroll down to bottom of page and go through his photos. I think with some added details like rivets would make them look pretty good. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49337	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Train Show...

Bill McClung (The Red Caboose, LaSalle, CO) and I will be "working" the NASG booths at the National Train Show in Anaheim, CA 7/18-7/20. Plenty of S from almost all S suppliers/manufacturers to look at; none for sale at the show. The Southern California club will have its modular S layout up and working at the show. Hopefully, the layout and the NASG booths will be at least in somewhat close proximity. The NTS always follows the NMRA convention. If anyone plans to attend NMRA or will happen to be in S. CA this coming weekend, the NTS is open to the public beginning at noon on Friday. Stop by, and say hello. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49338	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Pony Photos Posted to Gallery - Off Topic But asked For

For all those who asked, I have added some photos of my Mustang to the photo gallery. I'll get around to posting some captions soon. You can see them at: http://tinyurl.com/66qhed While visiting the photo gallery, please check out all of my AF photos as well as those of your other AF friends. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49339	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Weld repair of a crosshead

Sorry about the delay on the photos, but they are there now. I was a little computer challenged the first try at 5:00 AM today. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "uvl97222" <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I put some photos in for all of you to see the weld repair that I do with S.S. wire on > Crossheads. > Feed back boy? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49340	From: bstilesaf	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks

How does one safely remove the wheels from a sintered iron truck? I have a broken coupler pocket on one of the trucks on my Koppers chemical car and just realized I have a good truck I can rivet on. I want to take the wheels from the broken set and put them in the good truck...how can I do this without breaking the trucks (I guess I might be asking how to insert them into the new trucks??) The sheet metal trucks are so easy to work with. I fear breaking the sintered ones though. Any advice? Thanks in advance! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49341	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Train Show...

Gerry, can you confirm Bill's address - is the Dispatch directory correct? Jettie Padget is trying to send him a letter via Caboose Hobbies at 400 S. 2nd St., LaSalle, CO, but it came back. If the Dispatch one is right I'll forward it there - or do we have another address for Bill? Jeff Madden To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.comFrom: bestofshow@...: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:48:25 -0700Subject: [S-Trains] Train Show... Bill McClung (The Red Caboose, LaSalle, CO) and I will be "working" the NASG booths at the National Train Show in Anaheim, CA 7/18-7/20. Plenty of S from almost all S suppliers/manufacturers to look at; none for sale at the show. The Southern California club will have its modular S layout up and working at the show. Hopefully, the layout and the NASG booths will be at least in somewhat close proximity. The NTS always follows the NMRA convention. If anyone plans to attend NMRA or will happen to be in S. CA this coming weekend, the NTS is open to the public beginning at noon on Friday. Stop by, and say hello.Gerry EvansIn Flagstaff[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_072008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49342	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks

Ben, That's one of the ideal uses of our Spreading Tool. I use it all the time to do so. It applies outward pressure to the small stamped metal supports on the backside of the sintered sideframes, rather than to the sideframes themselves. You'll find many other uses for this tool as well. You can see it on our website, under TOOLS. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49343	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Check out Companies that vanished: Lionel Corp., synonymous with toy

_Companies that vanished: Lionel Corp., synonymous with toy trains - BloggingStocks_ (http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/06/08/companies-that-vanished-lionel-corp-synonymous-with-toy-train/) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49344	From: Trains	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} not exactly S but really neat RC stuff

Hi all: Re: "Micro model builders" loose and quick translation of U-tube video for all of you "....We are a group of micro model builders whose motto is: small-smaller-smallest, German and (by accent) Swiss modelers we have been active in micro models since the 90's. The vehicles shown on RR modules are 1:87 (HO) most electronics and running gear is scratch built using mostly brass stock. Usually make up scale mechanical drawings to design and fabricate a model. Turning drive shafts, axels and actuating arms for micro servos for strearing, shifting, brakes and micro electronics for lights and light displays and motor control. Tires are often home made in silicone (RTV?) molds using a liquid latex to build up tires, especially important in off-road type vehicles. It takes about 3 months of work to make a vehicle. Lots of new teritory to explore with all types of micro vehicles (construction/boats/submarines etc.). The construction equipment has added dificulty in that we want it to work like the real thing (being able to plow/dig/lift etc.). The boats/subs should function like the real thing in being able to manuver and move up & down and so on. The real challenge was to find and get the motors to work. (Wonder how they control the subs with radio control under water???) Some items like the very acurate scale boats are in various scales (all very small) and have some of the prototypical functions such as winches for towing or moveable periscopes etc....." WOW what a deal! Commentary....there are some micro 1:64 scale RC cars etc. available..I have one from Radio Shack. There are other brands. Have not checked performance/speed/control on these. They have liitle obvious antennas. The German/Swiss cars do not. And they seem to be operating at reasonable scale like speeds and behave very much like real cars. Translation is very loose and quick giving the sense of what is talked about in the U-Tube video by Dr. Peter Loeb for the S community. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49345	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Jim Lyle at NTTM

In case you missed it, I think Jim Lyle did a fantastic job in presenting S Helper Trains at the NTTM, Check it ou: http://youtube.com/watch?v=r_y2Kjcn5ks Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49346	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks

The upper part of the sintered iron trucks are sheet metal the same as the all sheet metal trucks. You can spread the sintered iron trucks just slightly to allow you to pop out (or in) the axles the same as you would with all steel trucks. Roger Delthony rpd5@... EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49347	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Things to see in New England while at NASG Conference?????

Hi, I am trying to plan my trip to the upcoming NASG Conference next month and I have considered coming a bit early to see some of the sites in the area. I will be taking some of the NASG tours, and I will take a Boston area bus tour. But how about Railroad museums? What are the best ones in the New England area if I rent a car? I would love to see some real New York, New Haven & Hartford steam? Does any exist? How about the New Hampshire Crossroads of America S Gauge layout?? Is it worth the drive from Boston? Some of you local guys, please help me out. Thanks in advance for any help. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49348	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Re: Things to see in New England while at NASG Conference?????

There are coaches and cabooses in Tilton, NH in many RR schemes. Take I 93 north to exit 19 in Tilton. Make left off the exit ramp and follow main road about a mile. The cars are on the left in the siding. They are of private ownership.  You will enjoy the tours that the Bristol Club has set up. There is a Docksider off the Kanamaguas highway off I 93 as well. I am not sure if the tour passes it. --- On Tue, 7/15/08, Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote: From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Things to see in New England while at NASG Conference????? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 1:58 PM Hi, I am trying to plan my trip to the upcoming NASG Conference next month and I have considered coming a bit early to see some of the sites in the area. I will be taking some of the NASG tours, and I will take a Boston area bus tour. But how about Railroad museums? What are the best ones in the New England area if I rent a car? I would love to see some real New York, New Haven & Hartford steam? Does any exist? How about the New Hampshire Crossroads of America S Gauge layout?? Is it worth the drive from Boston? Some of you local guys, please help me out. Thanks in advance for any help. Al Baker Portland, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49349	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Re: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks

Carefull.... If you press too much on the sideframe the side will come off.... PROBLEMS!!!!! The tool is probely best.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Roger Delthony" <rpd5@...>: -------------- The upper part of the sintered iron trucks are sheet metal the same as the all sheet metal trucks. You can spread the sintered iron trucks just slightly to allow you to pop out (or in) the axles the same as you would with all steel trucks. Roger Delthony rpd5@... EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49350	From: Coopers	Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Repair of AF 751 Log Loader

Good Evening! I heard from several individuals - to those that responded my thanks. In particular, I want to thank Doug at Portlines for his guidance on the job. I have restrung the loader and it works, sort of. The solenoid that lifts the log to the carrier appears to be weak as it does not always operate and when it does, it frequently does not have enough power to force the log into the carrier's grip. Another issue is that after cleaning and lubing the motor gearbox, the motor runs smoothly enough that the wheel will rotate after the cam-operated switch shuts motor off to the point where the cam disengages, allowing the switch to close the motor circuit and the motor restarts. Solenoid dc resistance is 1 ohm which does not seem out of line but I have no idea what the spec is. I am wondering if I need to rewind the solenoid coil as the wire is dark brown. As for the motor running continuously, I am thinking that I need to make a new cam with longer duration and replace the current one on the wheel. Suggestions and/or alternatives are welcome! Thanks Again Art ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: Coopers Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: RE: Restringing AF 751 Log Loader The cord slips through the small hole in the front end of the carriage. Knot it there. It then comes forward, through the cast-metal pulley, and back to the hook on the edge of the large sheet-metal rotor-disk. For length and adjustment, locate the rotor-disk with the tie-spot in the forward position (the normal location when the log loader has stopped by itself). At that point, the carriage should be all the way down the ramp, in position to pick up a log. Temporarily tie it off at that spot. Now activate the LL...carriage should ride up the trolley as the rotor draws the cord toward the rear. At the half-way point, the rotor tie-off should be at the far rear, the carriage should be all the way to the top (without binding and lifting its wheels off the track), but at the same time opening the clamp to release the log. This may take some minor adjustment in cord length at that spot. It shouldn't bind and stretch the cord or lift the wheels, but it should be far enough up to release the log. The release pin should have an adjustable tip on it for "fine-tuning"...if it hasn't been lost. Hope this is clear enough. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com www.flyerparts.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Coopers [mailto:acgtx@...] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:46 PM To: Doug Peck Subject: Restringing AF 751 Log Loader Hi I recently acquired a log loader that needs some work including restringing. I wondered if you might be able to provide some info on the subject or direct me to someone who can. I recently acquired a K-Line K3 AF Manual and was disappointed upon not finding this info in the pub. Willing to pay reasonable charge as appropriate. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. Best Regards, Art --- PS: Your website has a ton of great info - Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49351	From: rwferr1	Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Thanks for your welcome

Hi I want to thank everyone who replied on and off list to my introduction here. I heard from 3 people in my home state (Idaho) which is almost unheard of in any other group I've joined. Thanks again, I hope to be a perticipating member when I can. Ron Ferrel Pocatello, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49352	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Green Monster

The Green Monster wall is going up at S Helper Field today. We made our green monster 2 inches high which is about 10 feet in real life. I did not want to the wall too high, as to take away the view from the rest of the layout. The coal loader is right behind left field wall. I ordered some reproduction signs, from the Flyerville buildings to go on the wall. RKO Theatre, Old Gold Coupons, (Sorry not politically correct today, but heck, and remember to save the coupon, gotta save enough for that patio furniture, stolen line from Tom Waits, Chiclets, still not politically correct with all that sugar, but heck). I also ordered a Banford Diner sign to go on the wall. I asked about a dry transfer for the Gilbert Milk car, as that might be neat, making that into a ad, with the Gilbert Milk and cow logo. And I have a U of MD Logo and TERPS decal, thanks to Tom Bianculli to go on the wall. Now to find some small numbers I can put on the wall for distance. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49353	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Re: Green Monster - Distance Signs

Hi Mike, My wife made some 1/64 scale license plates for my vehicles. If you look close you can read the state, license number, etc on the plates, so I'm sure you could use the same method for your ballpark outfield wall distance signs and end up with nice, legible signs. I think she used some label type paper and the color printer. I'll try to remember to ask her what she used. Then I'll post her method. Good luck finishing up the layout! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > The Green Monster wall is going up at S Helper Field today. > > We made our green monster 2 inches high which is about 10 feet in real life. > > I did not want to the wall too high, as to take away the view from the rest of the layout. > > The coal loader is right behind left field wall. > > I ordered some reproduction signs, from the Flyerville buildings to go on the wall. RKO Theatre, Old Gold Coupons, (Sorry not politically correct today, but heck, and remember to save the coupon, gotta save enough for that patio furniture, stolen line from Tom Waits, Chiclets, still not politically correct with all that sugar, but heck). I also ordered a Banford Diner sign to go on the wall. > > I asked about a dry transfer for the Gilbert Milk car, as that might be neat, making that into a ad, with the Gilbert Milk and cow logo. > > And I have a U of MD Logo and TERPS decal, thanks to Tom Bianculli to go on the wall. > > Now to find some small numbers I can put on the wall for distance. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49354	From: John and Maria Harvey	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Paint Remover

What is the best, safest and easiest way of removing paint from a 1950 plastic PA Alco? Your ideas please. Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49355	From: Jim King	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: New S scale dealer

Bob McCarthy of Tomalco S Scale Parts (tomalcosscaleparts@...) is a new dealer of mine, located in Columbia SC. He plans to stock all rolling stock kits and track templates as a complement to his Tomalco S scale line of detail parts. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49356	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Latest S Helper Field Photos

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?c Latest photos of S Helper Field as the outfield grass was put down, most of it. The Citgo Sign from Fenway Park was stolen and installed at S Helper Field. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49357	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Green Monster - Distance Signs

Thanks Dave. I hope all is going well in Houston. You still have a baseball team better that the Nationals. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Green Monster - Distance Signs Hi Mike, My wife made some 1/64 scale license plates for my vehicles. If you look close you can read the state, license number, etc on the plates, so I'm sure you could use the same method for your ballpark outfield wall distance signs and end up with nice, legible signs. I think she used some label type paper and the color printer. I'll try to remember to ask her what she used. Then I'll post her method. Good luck finishing up the layout! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > The Green Monster wall is going up at S Helper Field today. > > We made our green monster 2 inches high which is about 10 feet in real life. > > I did not want to the wall too high, as to take away the view from the rest of the layout. > > The coal loader is right behind left field wall. > > I ordered some reproduction signs, from the Flyerville buildings to go on the wall. RKO Theatre, Old Gold Coupons, (Sorry not politically correct today, but heck, and remember to save the coupon, gotta save enough for that patio furniture, stolen line from Tom Waits, Chiclets, still not politically correct with all that sugar, but heck). I also ordered a Banford Diner sign to go on the wall. > > I asked about a dry transfer for the Gilbert Milk car, as that might be neat, making that into a ad, with the Gilbert Milk and cow logo. > > And I have a U of MD Logo and TERPS decal, thanks to Tom Bianculli to go on the wall. > > Now to find some small numbers I can put on the wall for distance. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49358	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Remover

I just did one and I soaked it in brake fluid,it took several days and with a little help from a tooth brush.then washed it with soapy water and a good rinse it was ready for my nephew to paint. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: John and Maria Harvey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:36 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Paint Remover What is the best, safest and easiest way of removing paint from a 1950 plastic PA Alco? Your ideas please. Thanks, John Harvey No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1558 - Release Date: 7/17/2008 9:56 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49359	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Remover

Sometimes rubbing or denatured alcohol, applied with a rag, will work just fine. Easy-off or Mr. Muscle oven cleaners work in minutes, you'll have to repeat the application on the vent grids and use a toothbrush. Floquil and Testors both make a plastic-safe stripper, but it's pricey. Brake fluid works, but it is sloppy, oily and may leave a residue that's hard to remove. I strongly recommend that, when you're ready to paint, you get a can of fisheye puller from an auto body supplier-a couple of drops into the paint is all it takes to guarentee a nice level finish-John Marganski - What is the best, safest and easiest way of removing paint from a 1950 plastic PA Alco? Your ideas please. Thanks, John Harvey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49360	From: William Porter	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: No. 14 Rectiformer Questions

Hi Folks, I recently acquired a number 14 Electronic Rectiformer. It is in working condition and provides plenty of DC power. I do have a couple of questions. First, when there is a current draw, the tube displays a violet light around the elements. It looks pretty cool in operation. In the archives, I see that the Sylvania 1237 tube is an "argon rectifier" type. I know that electrons form a cloud around a heated wire and that a vacuum tube uses that property (the Edison Effect I think it is called) to control the passage of electricity. Is the violet glow normal? Second, I also saw in the archives that someone asked about the possibility of substituting silicon diodes or a diode bridge for the tube. I did not see an answer. Has anyone actually worked that out? The Rectiformer packs a lot more power than a modern DC power pack. MRC units are normally good for about 1 amp of current before the circuit breaker kicks in. The Rectiformer says it is rated at 150 watts which should be good for over 8 amps at track voltages. One of the archive messages says the Sylvania 1237 tube is rated at 3 amps, so, that is probably the limiting factor. Maybe that all means the AC power for accessories makes up the additional wattage. In any case, it is still much more powerful than most modern power packs. An old engine with lighted passenger cars running continuously requires a lot of juice. Replacement tubes are listed on the Portlines site. Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49361	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Remover

I use Testors paint remover, but not all stores carry itTry Floquil paint remover. --- On Thu, 7/17/08, John and Maria Harvey <scottishshop@...> wrote: From: John and Maria Harvey <scottishshop@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Paint Remover To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 6:36 AM What is the best, safest and easiest way of removing paint from a 1950 plastic PA Alco? Your ideas please. Thanks, John Harvey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49362	From: uvl97222	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: I have had no word on the repair from any one yet???

Hi all, I put some photos in for all of you to see the weld repair that I do with S.S. wire on Crossheads. I would like some feed back from the group? Clayton S D

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49363	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: No. 14 Rectiformer Questions

Bill I have had one of the No. 14 rectiformers on my layout for years now, and I love the violet light that comes off it. Also "yes" it's normal. Here's one for the group. Is the Violet light in any way - UVL? Clayton S D --- On Thu, 7/17/08, William Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > From: William Porter <wpporter@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] No. 14 Rectiformer Questions > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 12:53 PM > Hi Folks, > > > > I recently acquired a number 14 Electronic Rectiformer. It > is in working > condition and provides plenty of DC power. I do have a > couple of questions. > First, when there is a current draw, the tube displays a > violet light around > the elements. It looks pretty cool in operation. In the > archives, I see that > the Sylvania 1237 tube is an "argon rectifier" > type. I know that electrons > form a cloud around a heated wire and that a vacuum tube > uses that property > (the Edison Effect I think it is called) to control the > passage of > electricity. Is the violet glow normal? > > > > Second, I also saw in the archives that someone asked about > the possibility > of substituting silicon diodes or a diode bridge for the > tube. I did not see > an answer. Has anyone actually worked that out? > > > > The Rectiformer packs a lot more power than a modern DC > power pack. MRC > units are normally good for about 1 amp of current before > the circuit > breaker kicks in. The Rectiformer says it is rated at 150 > watts which should > be good for over 8 amps at track voltages. One of the > archive messages says > the Sylvania 1237 tube is rated at 3 amps, so, that is > probably the limiting > factor. Maybe that all means the AC power for accessories > makes up the > additional wattage. In any case, it is still much more > powerful than most > modern power packs. An old engine with lighted passenger > cars running > continuously requires a lot of juice. > > > > Replacement tubes are listed on the Portlines site. > > > > Bill Porter > > Loxahatchee, Florida > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49364	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Latest S Helper Field Photos

My library ( where I do my e-mailing in aic conditioning, does not allow access to the photos.  maybe because it is the teen center, but it does not stop mail having sexual explecit in the subject heading. --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Latest S Helper Field Photos To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 8:27 PM http://ph.groups yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/browse/ 2c8d?c Latest photos of S Helper Field as the outfield grass was put down, most of it. The Citgo Sign from Fenway Park was stolen and installed at S Helper Field. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49365	From: Ed	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Weld repair of a crosshead

To all that post photos, Clayton just posted wondering why he had no feedback. Hi all, I put some photos in for all of you to see the weld repair that I do with S.S. wire on Crossheads. I would like some feed back from the group? Clayton S D Please provide the information needed to view your photos. I am not picking on anyone in particular, just using this as an example when posting your photos. As a moderator here, I am asking for the complete information. As you all know, all posts have to be approved by the moderators and when somebody comes back asking for missing information, it is additional work for us. We don't sit at the computer waiting for a new or reply postings. Some may be answered hours later and there could be a couple of posts waiting, asking the same question and I would approve them all so nobody would feel left out after taking the time to post a message. Below is my question: Where are the photos? They are not in the new photos link on the right where one normally would go when there is not a link to go elsewhere because they are new photos. There were 12 new photos and all pertained to service manuals. This link disappears when the time allotted by Yahoo expires. Presently there are no new photos in this area. Going to the photo link at the bottom, one needs to know what is the name of the album. In the message please tell us where your photos are posted. In this particular instance, the email and yahoo ID were the same. There wasn't a signature at the message end to help as there is now. Going to the membership list, I was unable to find a name as it was not in the profile. By going through each album I found it under Danger Bell repo, Album 34. Most people will not go to this much effort to find these pictures. So, everybody please tell us where your pictures are and the moderators will be very happy with you. Ironhorse_ Ed Eckert -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of uvl97222 Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:55 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Weld repair of a crosshead Hi all, I put some photos in for all of you to see the weld repair that I do with S.S. wire on Crossheads. Feed back boy? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49366	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: PVMR Update

Train room was "warmish" Wed PM, but, Charlie, Glenn, Ben, Paul and I got some things done on the layout. The "top" has been moved off, commercial structures removed or repositioned and housing is rising in their place. Next is repainting the area and then adding the expanded grocery store. THOMAS now works as we originally hoped. Ben cut the piers, they await painting and other details. David still in line to build the Hardware store to suit its location. Some of the snow arrived also, helped cool the room ( yea, right). The "bump" framework was cut today, will be assembled in next few days. Here's our chance to experiment with foam tops, ala SHS. The 2 X 8 frame is being made to hold the foam, for detailing. Went with that size because of shifting the Lexi when we add it on to the layout. Bens' tank car is fixed, S/B back in revenue service by now. Jim **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49367	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: I have had no word on the repair from any one yet???

Dear Clayton, Let me jump in and say it looks good. Now when I need to repair my K-625 hudson, I know how to do it. Oh, it runs like new now that I took it down out of the heat in the attic. I had to fix a loose wire, but that is all I had to do after i had it refurbished and lubed. Thanks, Alan Lambert. Lone Star Flyer Club Irving, Texas P.S. No picture of me yet. Since I joined they haven't updated the member page yet. uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote: Hi all, I put some photos in for all of you to see the weld repair that I do with S.S. wire on Crossheads. I would like some feed back from the group? Clayton S D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49368	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: I have had no word on the repair from any one yet???

Alan, I had an old AF Dinner up there in the heat of the attic almost all the paint came off. What a job to bring it back to life that was. I will never put my trains in the hot attic after that. The repair you did went well for you, and I love the fast well cared for trains that have not turned in to a basket case. Clayton --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > From: Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I have had no word on the repair from any one yet??? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 5:47 PM > Dear Clayton, > Let me jump in and say it looks good. Now when I need to > repair my K-625 hudson, I know how to do it. Oh, it runs > like new now that I took it down out of the heat in the > attic. I had to fix a loose wire, but that is all I had to > do after i had it refurbished and lubed. > > Thanks, > > Alan Lambert. > > Lone Star Flyer Club > > Irving, Texas > P.S. > No picture of me yet. Since I joined they haven't > updated the member page yet. > > > > uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote: > Hi all, > > I put some photos in for all of you to see the weld repair > that I do with S.S. > wire on Crossheads. > I would like some feed back from the group? > > Clayton S D > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49369	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: Weld repair of a crosshead

Sorry I was not trying to make more then a few photo files of my stuff. I added them to a file that was there, and I wanted to change the file name, but that would not work for me. I then moved the photo's to the the first of the danger bell file. The file name may not of changed, but the photos had the right name, and it was first up in the danger bell file in my name. I'm not mad at any one nor did I go looking for sarcasm from any one, and I hope that will not start. I am was just running a repair by the group. The OEM nickel parts are older parts that are hard to fined, and this repair makes an AF part usable one more time, and no need to use a repro part to fix it. Some time back in the past this came up in the group, and we talked about it. I had talked about welding one up. I had no repair of this type until now to show this type of repair. Getting back to what I did. I was thinking of linking it to the old email, but did not. For that I am sorry. Next thing is how is it that you can add photo to an old file that do not end up as new photos? I think I will make a file for repais only that I do, and do a better job on where it is next time. Thank you moderators for your help, and I know that this is a job to ride over all this. I also know you would rather be running your trains then doing this. Clayton S. D. UVL97222 --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Ed <ejenterp@...> wrote: > From: Ed <ejenterp@...> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Weld repair of a crosshead > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 6:47 PM > To all that post photos, > > Clayton just posted wondering why he had no feedback. > > Hi all, > > I put some photos in for all of you to see the weld repair > that I do with > S.S. > wire on Crossheads. > I would like some feed back from the group? > > Clayton S D > > Please provide the information needed to view your > photos. I am not > picking on anyone in particular, just using this as an > example when posting > your photos. As a moderator here, I am asking for the > complete information. > As you all know, all posts have to be approved by the > moderators and when > somebody comes back asking for missing information, it is > additional work > for us. We don't sit at the computer waiting for a new > or reply postings. > Some may be answered hours later and there could be a > couple of posts > waiting, asking the same question and I would approve them > all so nobody > would feel left out after taking the time to post a > message. > > Below is my question: > > Where are the photos? > > They are not in the new photos link on the right where one > normally would go > when there is not a link to go elsewhere because they are > new photos. There > were 12 new photos and all pertained to service manuals. > This link > disappears when the time allotted by Yahoo expires. > Presently there are no > new photos in this area. > > Going to the photo link at the bottom, one needs to know > what is the name of > the album. In the message please tell us where your photos > are posted. > > In this particular instance, the email and yahoo ID > were the same. There > wasn't a signature at the message end to help as there > is now. Going to the > membership list, I was unable to find a name as it was not > in the profile. > By going through each album I found it under Danger Bell > repo, Album 34. > Most people will not go to this much effort to find these > pictures. So, > everybody please tell us where your pictures are and the > moderators will be > very happy with you. > > Ironhorse_ > Ed Eckert > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of uvl97222 > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:55 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Weld repair of a crosshead > > > > Hi all, > > I put some photos in for all of you to see the weld repair > that I do with > S.S. wire on > Crossheads. > Feed back boy? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49370	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Lionel 974 Baggage Car

Does anyone on the list have a Lionel 974 Action Baggage car, that came with the loader. I have to change the light bulb, and there are two screws on the bottom holding the light bulb unit to the underneath. I get the screws to turn, but they do not come out. I sent Lionel a email on this, but I thought I would ask here too. If any has these car, could you try to remove a screw by turning. Don't damage anything if it does not come out. I am not looking forward to taking the shell off the frame, since it has a bar for the door to open. I have done enough damage to things lately. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49371	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Weld repair of a crosshead

Looks pretty sturdy! Some real precision work. Good Job Clayton. I recently made a pair of side rods for a Casey Jones by cutting and soldering some Atlantic ones from my junk box. Didn't come out as well, but they'll work. As to posting photos, I have problems too. I'd like to delete a whole album of my older pix, but can't figure out how to do that. I also don't know how to add a link directly to photo albums from here. (If anyone can explain these mysteries of life, please e-mail me.) In the meantime, I just tell what the name of the album is so folks can find it. Speaking of which, I should have some photos of recent projects soon. I have collected a lot of Franklin junker stuff over the past few years and finally figured out what to make with it. Stumpy Stone...the Dremel is whirring away in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49372	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Paint Remover

John, The question of paint stripping pops up every so often, and the S-Trains archives are full of various responses if you want to search for them. Here is an archived response of my favorite method: >>> I've always had great success with plain old granular laundry detergent (I use Tide). 1. Remove the plastic shell from the metal floor, trucks, and couplers. 2. Fill a bucket with enough warm water to cover your shell. 3. Mix in about a cup of granular laundry detergent. You'll have to stir a bunch to dissolve it, as this is a lot of soap. 4. Insert your shell, and let nature take its course. 5. If you want to assist nature, use a very soft toothbrush to GENTLY scrub, especially in those hard-to-reach places. You may have to stir up the solution from time to time, as you'll get a lot of soap concentrate on the bottom of the bucket. 5. Depending on the age of the original paint job, stripping can take as few as 4 hours or as long as a week. 6. When completely stripped, thoroughly rinse in clean water, then rinse again before painting. Other fellows use more powerful strippers, such as brake fluid or (shudder) oven cleaner. However, I prefer detergent because it is gentle, won't leave any residue on the plastic, and is readily available. It's worked well for me every time, even once when I did a sloppy repaint job and had to start all over again. That new paint took about two weeks to soak clean, but the old oxidized original paint usually comes right off. While this method is for plastic, I've even stripped a couple of sheet-metal tenders using it. Be careful on the tenders, though--you'll get a lot of little rust spots all over the sheet metal, which should be thoroughly wire-brushed off (Dremel) just as soon as you can get it out of the water. Hope this helps. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49373	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: It's SHOWTIME

Upcoming Train Shows in Central PA or close by: RALPH'S SUMMER HAMBURG MEET (formerly Sam Lenhart's) Sunday July 27, 2008--9 AM til 1 PM, $4.00 Admission, Hamburg Fire Co Field House, turn on Pine from 4th Street, parking behind Field House contact--Ralph Maurer-610-987-3144 CENTRAL PA CHAPTER, NRHS Sunday August 24, 2008--9 AM to 2 PM Warrior Run FD Social Hall, Second St., Allenwood PA. message center--570-286-8693 RALPH's September show, Sunday Sept 7, same time same place, same contact as above ORIGINAL GILBERTSVILLLE Train Show Sunday Sept 21, 2008--8:30 AM til 1:30 PM $3.00 Admission Gilbertsville Fire Co Hall, Rt 73, EAST of Rt 100, Gilbertsville, PA. Contact Mark Lehmann--215-657-2477 RCTHS Fall Train Show-- Sunday Oct 5, 2008 Leesport Farmer Mkt, Rt 61 North, Leesport PA Contact _Dalem1955@..._ (mailto:Dalem1955@...) NOTE: READING RAILROAD MUSEUM on Second Street in Hamburg, within blocks of Ralph's Show and miles of RCTHS show in Leesport S/B open from Noon until 5 PM on show Sundays. Admission charged, NICE museum, work in progress. Jim Lyle **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49374	From: Trains	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: Paint Remover

Hi John, Could you please contact me of list. Peter Loeb, rr4u@... Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49375	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: Weld repair of a crosshead

Thanks Stumpy, and I would like to see the photos when you get them up. I too have a few franklins for parts. Clayton --- On Fri, 7/18/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Weld repair of a crosshead > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 4:30 AM > Looks pretty sturdy! Some real precision work. Good Job > Clayton. I > recently made a pair of side rods for a Casey Jones by > cutting and > soldering some Atlantic ones from my junk box. Didn't > come out as > well, but they'll work. > As to posting photos, I have problems too. I'd like > to delete a whole > album of my older pix, but can't figure out how to do > that. I also > don't know how to add a link directly to photo albums > from here. (If > anyone can explain these mysteries of life, please e-mail > me.) > In the meantime, I just tell what the name of the album is > so folks > can find it. Speaking of which, I should have some photos > of recent > projects soon. I have collected a lot of Franklin junker > stuff over > the past few years and finally figured out what to make > with it. > Stumpy Stone...the Dremel is whirring away in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49376	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel 974 Baggage Car

I got my answer quickly from Lionel on the below. I have to take the shell off to get to the bulb. They assured me I would not destroy it. However, it gave me great pleasure in cutting off the metal part of the loader that goes underneath AF track. I do not need that part, since I am using Classic Trains track. LOL I did not screw that up. By the way, the Classic Trains switches are working just fine. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Trains > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel 974 Baggage Car Does anyone on the list have a Lionel 974 Action Baggage car, that came with the loader. I have to change the light bulb, and there are two screws on the bottom holding the light bulb unit to the underneath. I get the screws to turn, but they do not come out. I sent Lionel a email on this, but I thought I would ask here too. If any has these car, could you try to remove a screw by turning. Don't damage anything if it does not come out. I am not looking forward to taking the shell off the frame, since it has a bar for the door to open. I have done enough damage to things lately. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49377	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: 342AC

Did the 342AC come with link or knuckle couplers? Also did it have a front coupler or a link bar? Thanks, Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49378	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: How to Post Links to Photos Etc

The best way to link to photos, etc. is to place them on a webpage. Then highlight the webpage address by clicking on it in the address window in your internet browser. Then go to http:\\www.tinyurl.com and paste in the address you just copied (also known as the URL) and it will create a pointer that is very small. Copy the pointer generated by tinyurl (typically something like http:\\tinyurl.com\abc123) and post that in your email as the location for the photo. Several of us in this group use this to post links to our photos in this group or in the S-scale photo gallery. It works great! If you have any problems using it let me know. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49379	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: 342AC

Hi Mike, My near mint 342AC has the link coupler and the link bar on the pilot. This is the way they came. Hope this info helps you out. Regards, Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 342AC Did the 342AC come with link or knuckle couplers? Also did it have a front coupler or a link bar? Thanks, Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49380	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: 342AC

Thanks to all that replied. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49381	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: 342AC

The 342AC (1949-1951) came with link couplers (black weights). Hope this helps. Bruce DeGailler TCA 81-16572 ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:40 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 342AC Did the 342AC come with link or knuckle couplers? Also did it have a front coupler or a link bar? Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49382	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Green Monster - Distance Signs - Software

Hi Mike, Things are going well in Houston. I'm not much of a baseball fan - I'm just awaiting college football season! The software my wife used to make the license plates was PrintShop 12. I would think any good quality print shop software would make real small signage for your ball park. Good luck! David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Thanks Dave. > > I hope all is going well in Houston. > > You still have a baseball team better that the Nationals. > > Mike Marmer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bull_Gator_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:45 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Green Monster - Distance Signs > > > Hi Mike, > > My wife made some 1/64 scale license plates for my vehicles. If you > look close you can read the state, license number, etc on the > plates, so I'm sure you could use the same method for your ballpark > outfield wall distance signs and end up with nice, legible signs. I > think she used some label type paper and the color printer. I'll > try to remember to ask her what she used. Then I'll post her method. > > Good luck finishing up the layout! > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" > <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > The Green Monster wall is going up at S Helper Field today. > > > > We made our green monster 2 inches high which is about 10 feet in > real life. > > > > I did not want to the wall too high, as to take away the view from > the rest of the layout. > > > > The coal loader is right behind left field wall. > > > > I ordered some reproduction signs, from the Flyerville buildings > to go on the wall. RKO Theatre, Old Gold Coupons, (Sorry not > politically correct today, but heck, and remember to save the > coupon, gotta save enough for that patio furniture, stolen line from > Tom Waits, Chiclets, still not politically correct with all that > sugar, but heck). I also ordered a Banford Diner sign to go on the > wall. > > > > I asked about a dry transfer for the Gilbert Milk car, as that > might be neat, making that into a ad, with the Gilbert Milk and cow > logo. > > > > And I have a U of MD Logo and TERPS decal, thanks to Tom Bianculli > to go on the wall. > > > > Now to find some small numbers I can put on the wall for distance. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49383	From: bstilesaf	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: S-Helper Service e-unit lock

Greetings all: I am wanting to "lock" an S-Helper Union Pacific 1401 F3 into forward only. It is an AC with no sound. The layout my friend operates is AC only. Is it possible to bypass the electronic e-unit or lock it into forward only? He is older and has no need for complicated reversing anymore. He likes to run the trains, but has trouble with the sequence of the e-unit from across the layout (both due to hearing and his inability to get to the other side of the layout to save the train if it does go the wrong direction...) Any ideas? Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49384	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff

Yep, the Mad Butcher has been busy since my last posting of photos back in March! Having accumulated several Franklins and Casey Jones' as well as the other odd scaled stuff in various junk box deals, I decided to try to do something with them. Take a look in the PHOTOS section in the CUSTOM FRANKLINS album. There are pix of two Franklins, a Casey Jones, and some kit bashed and scratchbuilt cars. For those of you who have written these off as out of scale, or too cheap to bother with, perhaps this will give you some ideas. Maybe I wasted four months working on this stuff, but it was fun doing something with other people's cast offs! I treat them as O scale narrow gauge trains, On42 in model designation. The Franklins were in pieces (three became two, plus parts from eBay) and have can motors from Steve Blackburn at SnS Trains. The Casey Jones was made from a whole pile of them I got in a parts box, only two had good motors and e-units. I WISH SnS made can motors for these! Of the cars, all were broken or badly scratched, especially the combine and B&O car which had parts of their bodies missing! Now I need to build a O scale, S Gauge display layout to run them on! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...building "Appalachian Flyer" trains.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49385	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/20/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49386	From: The LANIERs	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff

I too have been accumulating Franklin parts for a kitbash. I plan to build a 4-6-0 from two Franklins. This was "how to'd" about 15 years back in the S Gaugian by an author whose name I apologize for forgetting. Unlike Stumpy, I've yet to get a "round tuit." Nice job on the changes made in the 18 & 21. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff Yep, the Mad Butcher has been busy since my last posting of photos back in March! Having accumulated several Franklins and Casey Jones' as well as the other odd scaled stuff in various junk box deals, I decided to try to do something with them. Take a look in the PHOTOS section in the CUSTOM FRANKLINS album. There are pix of two Franklins, a Casey Jones, and some kit bashed and scratchbuilt cars. For those of you who have written these off as out of scale, or too cheap to bother with, perhaps this will give you some ideas. Maybe I wasted four months working on this stuff, but it was fun doing something with other people's cast offs! I treat them as O scale narrow gauge trains, On42 in model designation. The Franklins were in pieces (three became two, plus parts from eBay) and have can motors from Steve Blackburn at SnS Trains. The Casey Jones was made from a whole pile of them I got in a parts box, only two had good motors and e-units. I WISH SnS made can motors for these! Of the cars, all were broken or badly scratched, especially the combine and B&O car which had parts of their bodies missing! Now I need to build a O scale, S Gauge display layout to run them on! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...building "Appalachian Flyer" trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49387	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff

Stumpy that looks great! I also like what you did to the Casey Jones too. Clayton S. D. --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 4:43 PM > Yep, the Mad Butcher has been busy since my last posting of > photos back > in March! Having accumulated several Franklins and Casey > Jones' as > well as the other odd scaled stuff in various junk box > deals, I decided > to try to do something with them. > Take a look in the PHOTOS section in the CUSTOM FRANKLINS > album. > There are pix of two Franklins, a Casey Jones, and some > kit bashed and > scratchbuilt cars. For those of you who have written these > off as out > of scale, or too cheap to bother with, perhaps this will > give you some > ideas. Maybe I wasted four months working on this stuff, > but it was fun > doing something with other people's cast offs! I treat > them as O scale > narrow gauge trains, On42 in model designation. > The Franklins were in pieces (three became two, plus > parts from eBay) > and have can motors from Steve Blackburn at SnS Trains. > The Casey > Jones was made from a whole pile of them I got in a parts > box, only two > had good motors and e-units. I WISH SnS made can motors > for these! > Of the cars, all were broken or badly scratched, > especially the > combine and B&O car which had parts of their bodies > missing! > Now I need to build a O scale, S Gauge display layout to > run them on! > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...building > "Appalachian Flyer" > trains.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49388	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: How to Post Links to Photos Etc

Cool, especially since I've been frustrated by the way Yahoo formatting seems to truncate the "hot" portion of URL's copied and pasted into posts depending on how long a URL might be. I will try this. Thanks for the tip.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49389	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Green Monster - Distance Signs - Software

Thanks Dave, as I know you are not a big baseball fan, but definitely you are a college football fan, hence your BG 1. Thanks for the tip on the Print programs. I will look into that. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Green Monster - Distance Signs - Software Hi Mike, Things are going well in Houston. I'm not much of a baseball fan - I'm just awaiting college football season! The software my wife used to make the license plates was PrintShop 12. I would think any good quality print shop software would make real small signage for your ball park. Good luck! David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Thanks Dave. > > I hope all is going well in Houston. > > You still have a baseball team better that the Nationals. > > Mike Marmer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bull_Gator_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:45 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Green Monster - Distance Signs > > > Hi Mike, > > My wife made some 1/64 scale license plates for my vehicles. If you > look close you can read the state, license number, etc on the > plates, so I'm sure you could use the same method for your ballpark > outfield wall distance signs and end up with nice, legible signs. I > think she used some label type paper and the color printer. I'll > try to remember to ask her what she used. Then I'll post her method. > > Good luck finishing up the layout! > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" > <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > The Green Monster wall is going up at S Helper Field today. > > > > We made our green monster 2 inches high which is about 10 feet in > real life. > > > > I did not want to the wall too high, as to take away the view from > the rest of the layout. > > > > The coal loader is right behind left field wall. > > > > I ordered some reproduction signs, from the Flyerville buildings > to go on the wall. RKO Theatre, Old Gold Coupons, (Sorry not > politically correct today, but heck, and remember to save the > coupon, gotta save enough for that patio furniture, stolen line from > Tom Waits, Chiclets, still not politically correct with all that > sugar, but heck). I also ordered a Banford Diner sign to go on the > wall. > > > > I asked about a dry transfer for the Gilbert Milk car, as that > might be neat, making that into a ad, with the Gilbert Milk and cow > logo. > > > > And I have a U of MD Logo and TERPS decal, thanks to Tom Bianculli > to go on the wall. > > > > Now to find some small numbers I can put on the wall for distance. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49390	From: William Porter	Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff

Nice work Stumpy. I especially like the natural gas car. Where did you get that lettering? The locos look excellent with those lively colors and finished look. This sort of work will drive the prices for those old engines up as lots of people follow your lead. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff Yep, the Mad Butcher has been busy since my last posting of photos back in March! Having accumulated several Franklins and Casey Jones' as well as the other odd scaled stuff in various junk box deals, I decided to try to do something with them. Take a look in the PHOTOS section in the CUSTOM FRANKLINS album. There are pix of two Franklins, a Casey Jones, and some kit bashed and scratchbuilt cars. For those of you who have written these off as out of scale, or too cheap to bother with, perhaps this will give you some ideas. Maybe I wasted four months working on this stuff, but it was fun doing something with other people's cast offs! I treat them as O scale narrow gauge trains, On42 in model designation. The Franklins were in pieces (three became two, plus parts from eBay) and have can motors from Steve Blackburn at SnS Trains. The Casey Jones was made from a whole pile of them I got in a parts box, only two had good motors and e-units. I WISH SnS made can motors for these! Of the cars, all were broken or badly scratched, especially the combine and B&O car which had parts of their bodies missing! Now I need to build a O scale, S Gauge display layout to run them on! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...building "Appalachian Flyer" trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49391	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: More about the custom Frank & Casey

I got several e-mails asking similar questions, so I'll try to answer them here for everyone's illumination. 18 was the most complete shell wise, so it got the least kit bashing. Cab bottom was cut off to give it a more realistic old 4-4- 0 look with their high sitting cabs. Both engines had to use old Atlantic front truck and valve gear frames, which actually was a plus in that the wheels were black plastic ( instead of red)and could be painted to look right. Both engines got engineers. The wood fuel load in 18 was made by cutting up sticks I found in my yard. The 21 was in bad shape, so it needed the bell, stack, headlight, and pilot off a junk Casey. The cab was broken, so I sawed it off and used one from another Frank. It had a broken roof, so I cut the roof off and made a curved roof from scribed balsa sheet. It also got the bottom cut off the cab and the coal load was ballast glued over a bit of balsa block and painted black. Installing can motors required modifying the cab roof support. Casey got the extra Franklin tender with a coal load. The cab windows were opened and made into one with a forward style window frame, and some trimming under the cab. An engineer won't fit due to motor and e-unit size. I milled the journal bump and fake valve gear off the main rod and made side rods to connect the drivers from old Atlantic side rods cut and soldered together. Actaully, this is correct because many 4-4-0s used Stephenson valve gear which was inside the frame. The wheels from the front axle were pulled off and re-quartered to line up with the rear drivers also, a real hassle. The kit bashing helps subdue the cheap looks of the original with it's fake valve gear, windowless cab, and bland black paint job. I think the older style tender is a plus too. Other than that imaginative paint jobs were the final touch. Stumpy Stone...Appalachian Flyer...Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49392	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff

Hi Stumpy, I think I have an old frame from a Casey in the junk pile. I will look in to making up a can motor - flang for one. I think I could come up with some thing in DC for that. That could be fun to try. Clayton S. D. --- On Sat, 7/19/08, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Customized Franklin and Casey Jones stuff > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 6:44 PM > Stumpy that looks great! I also like what you did to the > Casey Jones too. > > > Clayton S. D. > > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Stumpy Stone > <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Customized Franklin and Casey > Jones stuff > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 4:43 PM > > Yep, the Mad Butcher has been busy since my last > posting of > > photos back > > in March! Having accumulated several Franklins and > Casey > > Jones' as > > well as the other odd scaled stuff in various junk box > > deals, I decided > > to try to do something with them. > > Take a look in the PHOTOS section in the CUSTOM > FRANKLINS > > album. > > There are pix of two Franklins, a Casey Jones, and > some > > kit bashed and > > scratchbuilt cars. For those of you who have written > these > > off as out > > of scale, or too cheap to bother with, perhaps this > will > > give you some > > ideas. Maybe I wasted four months working on this > stuff, > > but it was fun > > doing something with other people's cast offs! I > treat > > them as O scale > > narrow gauge trains, On42 in model designation. > > The Franklins were in pieces (three became two, plus > > parts from eBay) > > and have can motors from Steve Blackburn at SnS > Trains. > > The Casey > > Jones was made from a whole pile of them I got in a > parts > > box, only two > > had good motors and e-units. I WISH SnS made can > motors > > for these! > > Of the cars, all were broken or badly scratched, > > especially the > > combine and B&O car which had parts of their > bodies > > missing! > > Now I need to build a O scale, S Gauge display > layout to > > run them on! > > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...building > > "Appalachian Flyer" > > trains.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49393	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: More about the custom Frank & Casey

Ya dun gude Stumpy! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] More about the custom Frank & Casey I got several e-mails asking similar questions, so I'll try to answer them here for everyone's illumination. 18 was the most complete shell wise, so it got the least kit bashing. Cab bottom was cut off to give it a more realistic old 4-4- 0 look with their high sitting cabs. Both engines had to use old Atlantic front truck and valve gear frames, which actually was a plus in that the wheels were black plastic ( instead of red)and could be painted to look right. Both engines got engineers. The wood fuel load in 18 was made by cutting up sticks I found in my yard. The 21 was in bad shape, so it needed the bell, stack, headlight, and pilot off a junk Casey. The cab was broken, so I sawed it off and used one from another Frank. It had a broken roof, so I cut the roof off and made a curved roof from scribed balsa sheet. It also got the bottom cut off the cab and the coal load was ballast glued over a bit of balsa block and painted black. Installing can motors required modifying the cab roof support. Casey got the extra Franklin tender with a coal load. The cab windows were opened and made into one with a forward style window frame, and some trimming under the cab. An engineer won't fit due to motor and e-unit size. I milled the journal bump and fake valve gear off the main rod and made side rods to connect the drivers from old Atlantic side rods cut and soldered together. Actaully, this is correct because many 4-4-0s used Stephenson valve gear which was inside the frame. The wheels from the front axle were pulled off and re-quartered to line up with the rear drivers also, a real hassle. The kit bashing helps subdue the cheap looks of the original with it's fake valve gear, windowless cab, and bland black paint job. I think the older style tender is a plus too. Other than that imaginative paint jobs were the final touch. Stumpy Stone...Appalachian Flyer...Martins Ferry, Ahia. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:59 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49394	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: The Little Train That Could

http://www.comics.com/comics/pearls/ A different twist on a classic children's tale. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49395	From: Scale S Only	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: More about the custom Frank & Casey

Hi Stumpy -- The explanation helps those of us who are NOT American Flyer to appreciate what you did. Thanks! Bill Winans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49396	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: for sale

I have a Great Northern ( 0n30 ) # 224 coach converted to S scale. K-D couplers good condition. $50 + $5 shipping. interested? E-mail off line Jerry ____________________________________________________________ Live the good life! Click now for great retirement planning assistance! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mK7B2YzNJfl6pi0IJ5AjajBeM0jyLx5zuMn9gkDA6EomYJN/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49397	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/20/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49398	From: lember2004	Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?

Hi All, I'm wondering how to remove and then re-attach the body of an early AF boxcar in which the body and frame are held together by four small brass-colored rivets(?) in the corners of the frame. As always, any help is much appreciated. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49399	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?

Mark, I use very thin needle nose pliers. Hold the pliers upright, ensure that the grip is tight on the rivit only, and be careful not to scratch the base while carefully pulling up without twisting until the rivit is clear of the base by about 1/32nd of an inch, then carefully pull and slightl twist clockwise and counter clockwise until the rivit comes out cleanly. This is a delicate procedure, but if you are patient, you can remove the rivits without scratching the metal base. Reattaching is equally, if not more, challenging. Reverse the procedure and be careful not to dent the base when reattaching. Once the rivit is close to seating (again, about 1/32nd of an inch) I would use a small piece of flat metal placed on top of the rivit and lightly tap the small piece of metal with a very small hobby hammer until the rivit is set. Hope this helps. Bruce TCA 81-16572 ----- Original Message ----- From: lember2004 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] how to remove and re-attach boxcar body? Hi All, I'm wondering how to remove and then re-attach the body of an early AF boxcar in which the body and frame are held together by four small brass-colored rivets(?) in the corners of the frame. As always, any help is much appreciated. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49400	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?

Touch the head of the "rivets" with a soldering iron and pry it straight up with a very small screwdriver. DO NOT TWIST THEM, they are splined. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 07/20/2008 9:17:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, lember2004@... writes: Hi All, I'm wondering how to remove and then re-attach the body of an early AF boxcar in which the body and frame are held together by four small brass-colored rivets(?) in the corners of the frame. As always, any help is much appreciated. Mark **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49401	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?

I take a sodering iron and just touch to each rivet just enough to heat them up a little.They will pull right out and can go right back in. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: lember2004 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] how to remove and re-attach boxcar body? Hi All, I'm wondering how to remove and then re-attach the body of an early AF boxcar in which the body and frame are held together by four small brass-colored rivets(?) in the corners of the frame. As always, any help is much appreciated. Mark No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:59 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49402	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?

Hi Mark, This has been discussed many times over the years. Refering back to a great AF expert and mentor to most of us, Tom Jarcho recommended using the soldering iron procedure to both remove and re-install the body pins. Heating the pins softens the plastic post and allows the pin to slip out. To re-install just touch the soldering iron to the pin and use it to push the pin back into place. DO NOT TWIST the pins unless you want to damage the body post. The body posts can be repaired but it is somewhat tedious work. Good luck! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > Hi All, I'm wondering how to remove and then re-attach the body of an > early AF boxcar in which the body and frame are held together by four > small brass-colored rivets(?) in the corners of the frame. As always, > any help is much appreciated. Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49403	From: Larry Asp	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?

A pry tool is available from PortLines - it has a very thin edge that can be slipped under the head, they it can be pryed up. Very similar to a computer chip pry up tool. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lember2004 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:04 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] how to remove and re-attach boxcar body? > > > Hi All, I'm wondering how to remove and then re-attach the body of an > early AF boxcar in which the body and frame are held together by four > small brass-colored rivets(?) in the corners of the frame. As always, > any help is much appreciated. Mark > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49404	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?

Hi all, I'll add a few more tricks to this procedure. First, the plastic bodies are not as flexible as when they were new, so you want to be careful, or you'll end up with split mounting holes. Also be careful with this procedure, or you'll end up with melt marks on the body, or burn spots on the fingers! Removal: Hold car body on one end in palm of hand, fingers pressing against the metal tabs on the end of the floor. Place tip of soldering iron/gun on head of one rivet and heat; floor will move as soon as it is warm enough to remove. Quickly set down iron and pull pin out with needle nose pliers, should go very easily (use pliers as pin is now hot!). Do same thing with other rivet, then go to other end and repeat. Once you've done it once or twice, you'll get pretty fast at it. Insertion: Remember that the plastic is more brittle than it was at the factory, you want to insert the pin with as little stress on it as possible. place floor in body (body can be in cradle-- a U shaped device with padding, useful for engine work, etc. -- mine is some wood glued together with carpet over it, others use foam, you get the general idea). Place the pins in the hole, you can feel when the splines are lined up with the ridges in the plastic. put soldering iron on top of rivet (you can make a special tip for this with a little dimple in it for the rivet head) and heat while CAREFULLY pushing down--you don't want the iron to slip! The rivet will go "home" with little work, remove iron, let the rivet cool, do same to other three. Serves one car, no calories! :) BTW, I also warm up tender and loco screws too, especially if I have super-glued the mounting holes. Screwdriver on screw, with slight turning pressure, iron on head, as soon as it's warm, it will turn in easily, don't overdo tightening, or you'll strip the hole! Hope this helps all! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49405	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper Service e-unit lock

I don't recall a way to "lock" an S-Helper electronic reverse unit, but somewhere on the board there's is a bridge or set of diodes to convert AC to DC for the can motor, so either use that or remove the reverse-unit and install a full-wave bridge rectifier from Radio Shack, for example. If the lights are on a separate board then no problem, otherwise you may also need to wire them in and how you go about that will depend on whether they're LED's or bulbs.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49406	From: lember2004	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: follow up to ? on removing/re-attaching 'rivets' holding bodies to f

Thanks for the rapid replies and helpful info to my question about removing and re-attaching "rivets" holding AF bodies onto frames. A follow-up: do the same techniques work for the Gilbert AF pre-war die- cast bodies and frames or are different methods neccessary because the body posts are not plastic? Thanks again. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49407	From: lember2004	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?

Bob, Thank you very much for the info! I've posted a follow-up question. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert A Persing" <bobville@...> wrote: > > I take a sodering iron and just touch to each rivet just enough to heat them up a little.They will pull right out and can go right back in. Bob Persing > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lember2004 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:04 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] how to remove and re-attach boxcar body? > > > Hi All, I'm wondering how to remove and then re-attach the body of an > early AF boxcar in which the body and frame are held together by four > small brass-colored rivets(?) in the corners of the frame. As always, > any help is much appreciated. Mark > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:59 PM > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49408	From: lember2004	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: how to remove and re-attach boxcar body?

Thank you very much for the info! I've posted a follow-up question. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > This has been discussed many times over the years. Refering back to > a great AF expert and mentor to most of us, Tom Jarcho recommended > using the soldering iron procedure to both remove and re-install the > body pins. Heating the pins softens the plastic post and allows the > pin to slip out. To re-install just touch the soldering iron to the > pin and use it to push the pin back into place. DO NOT TWIST the > pins unless you want to damage the body post. The body posts can be > repaired but it is somewhat tedious work. > > Good luck! > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, I'm wondering how to remove and then re-attach the body > of an > > early AF boxcar in which the body and frame are held together by > four > > small brass-colored rivets(?) in the corners of the frame. As > always, > > any help is much appreciated. Mark > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49409	From: hjsheff	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: train message

Hi Eric in WA I don't have your email address so this is posted to the list. I didn't get the email you said you sent last night about the Pine Canyon kits I have. Please resend it to me. Howard Sheffield

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49410	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: PVMR Update

I got carnival rides at, of all places, the Dollar Store! They have a whole line of circus toys right now. I got three carnival rides (teacups, a carousel with small cars, and a carousel with horses). These were $1, remember, so they are shiny bright plastic. The size is right and the price was definitely right, so I figured we could detail these and make them spin mechanically, etc. Also got a "test your strength" game...the sledge hammer game...which is actually a table/desk top game for full size people like us, but I think it can be made to work also. We might want to shorten it. Anyway, for $4.24, I think we can have a nice carnival on the PVMR layout. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: Paisley318@... ; CAMPER279@... ; HerrTrain1@... ; BollingerFamily@... ; chirschmannprr@... ; SAMWEAVER@... ; DPDB@... ; gartrain404@... ; hctaylor@... ; lbstiles@... ; davidtmartin@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:41 PM Subject: PVMR Update Train room was "warmish" Wed PM, but, Charlie, Glenn, Ben, Paul and I got some things done on the layout. The "top" has been moved off, commercial structures removed or repositioned and housing is rising in their place. Next is repainting the area and then adding the expanded grocery store. THOMAS now works as we originally hoped. Ben cut the piers, they await painting and other details. David still in line to build the Hardware store to suit its location. Some of the snow arrived also, helped cool the room ( yea, right). The "bump" framework was cut today, will be assembled in next few days. Here's our chance to experiment with foam tops, ala SHS. The 2 X 8 frame is being made to hold the foam, for detailing. Went with that size because of shifting the Lexi when we add it on to the layout. Bens' tank car is fixed, S/B back in revenue service by now. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49411	From: Scale S Only	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper Service e-unit lock

Hi All -- While I don't have one of these units to look at, it seems to me that there are dip switches in the rear of the unit that can make all kinds of changes, Don Thompson would surely know... If you have the instruction booklet, there should also be a section on using the dip switches... Have fun! Bill Winans I don't recall a way to "lock" an S-Helper electronic reverse unit, but somewhere on the board there's is a bridge or set of diodes to convert AC to DC for the can motor, so either use that or remove the reverse-unit and install a full-wave bridge rectifier from Radio Shack, for example. If the lights are on a separate board then no problem, otherwise you may also need to wire them in and how you go about that will depend on whether they're LED's or bulbs.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49412	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper Service e-unit lock

OK, Robin and I are back from working on Ben's new house in Fayetteville, NC. If you mean a Locomatic sound unit, in mode III, you set the direction with the 10 button controller. By turning dip switch 1 & 2 on, the engine starts in Neutral and you pick the direction. It will only change direction if you hit the reverse command button. For, A-A, A-B-A or A-B-B-A lash ups, the reverse unit can be set to set the forward to act as reverse by using dip switch #4. So, when the lead unit starts forward, the trailing A would start in reverse. For our AC/DC non-Locomatic reverse units, I know of no way to lock there into either direction. On the last run of SW9s and NW2s, two slide switches allow you to change the start direction (again for lash ups where the switchers are back to back). The other slide switch is to turn the cab light on or off. For DC, we include a DC shorting plug that direction is controlled by the polarity of the DC power source. Sorry I was not able to help. You may be able to add a jumper to the AC/DC pcb, but I do not know where to add this. Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49413	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper Service e-unit lock

Don, we worked it out by reverting to Flyer technology, ala Cow on the Track. We inserted a big enough resistance to keep the reverse unit in forward while the loco either stopped or crawled (which depends on the resistance value) instead of trying to achieve shut off and restart. Works well on our 10' x 20' modular layout. Loco #1 in the block trips a reed switch leaving the block, turning block voltage to stall value via a latching relay. Loco #2 enters the block and stalls due to the big resistance. Meanwhile loco #1 gets to the opposite corner and trips a reed switch that restores the latching relay to full voltage for loco #2 in the block. Engines have to be matched somewhat in speed but don't have to be exactly the same. Loco in corner block stays there until other loco trips the reed switch. Roger Delthony gets credit for this relatively easy means of running 2 trains unattended on the same loop of track. If you have any questions he can answer them better than I can. We debugged it and it handles trains, not just locos. In fact, it's easier to match train speeds with varying the number of cars in each train. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Thompson Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S-Helper Service e-unit lock OK, Robin and I are back from working on Ben's new house in Fayetteville, NC. If you mean a Locomatic sound unit, in mode III, you set the direction with the 10 button controller. By turning dip switch 1 & 2 on, the engine starts in Neutral and you pick the direction. It will only change direction if you hit the reverse command button. For, A-A, A-B-A or A-B-B-A lash ups, the reverse unit can be set to set the forward to act as reverse by using dip switch #4. So, when the lead unit starts forward, the trailing A would start in reverse. For our AC/DC non-Locomatic reverse units, I know of no way to lock there into either direction. On the last run of SW9s and NW2s, two slide switches allow you to change the start direction (again for lash ups where the switchers are back to back). The other slide switch is to turn the cab light on or off. For DC, we include a DC shorting plug that direction is controlled by the polarity of the DC power source. Sorry I was not able to help. You may be able to add a jumper to the AC/DC pcb, but I do not know where to add this. Best regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49414	From: Eric R.	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: train message

Hi howard: I resent the message from last night and below is a copy also. I had a few emails I sent yesterday that did not go out for some reason although they are on my sent list. Hi howard: I am looking for one of the Alley kits and also I believe there is a "cement" building. I see the website is completely gone so I cant reference the pictures. I may have soem pix in the stuff I have. Bacically for the alley kit I want to do a wall so I need one that can be used as a straight piece. Thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hjsheff Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] train message Hi Eric in WA I don't have your email address so this is posted to the list. I didn't get the email you said you sent last night about the Pine Canyon kits I have. Please resend it to me. Howard Sheffield [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49415	From: Iron Horse	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: Things to see in New England while at NASG Conference?????

Hi Guy"S" A lot of people have driven a long ways to see Crossroads of America in NH. According to the guest book and verbal comments, everyone was pleased about what they saw. Some members of the Bristol club have been up to visit. Our most distant traveler was from Australla. Many from across the big pond. However, Crosroads of America is shut down for a major rebuild of the main exhibit. A model of the Main Central Mountain Division is the new display. Using "S" gauge of course. The era is about 1900. All the main features of the MC are on the layout. I wish I had it ready for the convention. It should be ready for next years tourist season. A friend of mine (nearby) has a nice "S" layout. Small, but well done. Anyway I am looking forward to seeing everyone at the convention. Roger Hinds CEO Crossroads of America PS; There are many other clubs in the Boston area. Different scales though. Also there are a lot of other things to do. ( assuming you aren't interested the tours planed, )To many to list. Do a search (by topic) of what might interest you. I bet the scheduled tours are good. >How about the New Hampshire Crossroads of America S Gauge layout?? Is >it worth the drive from Boston? > >Some of you local guys, please help me out. > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Al Baker >Portland, OR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49416	From: bw_hansen	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Log Loader wiring

I have a older(751) Log Loader. The ribbon cable has 4 wires (Red, Grn, Blk and Ylw). I have instructions for the conection of the first 3 but not the Yellow. It goes to switch mounted against the inside of the frame and is opened (normally closed) when the loading carriage is in the pick-up position. I'd think it is to somehow act as an indexing mechanism for the loading carriage...but I can't find any references to this ability. Anyone know if this function is used? Thanks Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49417	From: chasesmithus	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: Log Loader wiring

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bw_hansen" <bwhanse1@...> wrote: > > I have a older(751) Log Loader. The ribbon cable has 4 wires (Red, Grn, > Blk and Ylw). I have instructions for the conection of the first 3 but > not the Yellow. It goes to switch mounted against the inside of the > frame and is opened (normally closed) when the loading carriage is in > the pick-up position. I'd think it is to somehow act as an indexing > mechanism for the loading carriage...but I can't find any references to > this ability. Anyone know if this function is used? Thanks > > Bruce > I think this should be connected to the hi voltage (15 to 18V). It keeps the motor energized to complete the carriage cycle.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49418	From: piccu56	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: Log Loader wiring

The black wire goes to one lead of the lifter coil, and one lead from the motor. The yellow lead goes from the motor to either end of the switch mounted under the deck, and from the other part of the switch to the fixed voltage terminal on the transformer. The Green goes to the other lead on the coil, and the Red goes to the other lead on the motor with the yellow from the switch. The action is that the Red will momentarily start the motor when the Red button is press. Once the contacts under the deck close then the fixed voltage takes over and allows the loader to cycle until the switch opens again and everything stops. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bw_hansen" <bwhanse1@...> wrote: > > I have a older(751) Log Loader. The ribbon cable has 4 wires (Red, Grn, > Blk and Ylw). I have instructions for the conection of the first 3 but > not the Yellow. It goes to switch mounted against the inside of the > frame and is opened (normally closed) when the loading carriage is in > the pick-up position. I'd think it is to somehow act as an indexing > mechanism for the loading carriage...but I can't find any references to > this ability. Anyone know if this function is used? Thanks > > Bruce >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49419	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Correction

Upcoming Train Shows in Central PA or close by: RALPH'S SUMMER HAMBURG MEET (formerly Sam Lenhart's) Sunday July 27, 2008--9 AM til 1 PM, $4.00 Admission, Hamburg Fire Co Field House, turn on Pine from 4th Street, parking behind Field House contact--Ralph Maurer-610-987-3144 CENTRAL PA CHAPTER, NRHS Sunday August 24, 2008--9 AM to 2 PM Warrior Run FD Social Hall, Second St., Allenwood PA. message center--570-286-8693 RALPH's September show, Sunday Sept 7, same time same place, same contact as above ORIGINAL GILBERTSVILLLE Train Show Sunday Sept 21, 2008--8:30 AM til 1:30 PM $3.00 Admission Gilbertsville Fire Co Hall, Rt 73, EAST of Rt 100, Gilbertsville, PA. Contact Mark Lehmann--215-657-2477 RCTHS Fall Train Show-- Sunday Oct 5, 2008 Leesport Farmer Mkt, Rt 61 North, Leesport PA Contact _Dalem1955@..._ (mailto:Dalem1955@...) NOTE CORRECTION: READING RAILROAD MUSEUM AT 500 THIRD Street in Hamburg, within blocks of Ralph's Show and within miles of RCTHS show in Leesport. S/B open from Noon until 5 PM on show Sundays. Admission charged, NICE museum, work in progress. Jim Lyle **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49420	From: William Porter	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Sceniking Backdrops

Hi Folks, I have selected a couple of the SceniKing backdrops for use with my layout. Does anyone on the list have actual experience with them? Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49421	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: NMRA/NTS

Personally, I didn't attend the NMRA convention, so I can't offer any info about clinics, contests, etc. Bill McClung, Paul Washburn, and I did represent NASG at the NTS. Also, the S. CA S Club had its modular layout set up around 100ft. from our booths. Contrary to a previous comment someone made, we did not have much new product on display. I think the newest things we had were Jim King's watermelon car kit and Grand River Model's Greg's grocery. As best as memory will serve me, we did have product on display from others as follows: Am. Models, SHS, Southwind, S Scale America, Turner Model Works, Tom's Track, Lehigh Valley Models, Laser Art, and GC Designs. I may have overlooked one or two. The one person I forgot to contact for product was Terry Putt. But, all was not lost. A couple of Flyer guys had a layout set up that included one of Terry's trolley cars. The S. CA Club had a nice variety of engines and cars that they changed out frequently on their modular layout. Lots of "ohhs" and "ahhs" from the crowd for the AM Northern chugging around the layout. By coincidence, the gentleman for whom Grand River Models' Greg's Grocery kit was named happened to stop by the NASG booths. He is a friend of Barry Silverthorne's who owns Grand River Models. Those Canadians stick together. Other booths showing S included S Scale America (Des Plaines Hobbies), Railmaster, NJ Signal, Bar Mills, and Hunter Lumber. As time allows, I'll send some pictures to Jeff Madden for inclusion in the "NASG Dispatch". Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49422	From: D. Winslow	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Train shows in NH?

Hi All, Does anyone know of any shows up here in NH? How about any merchants, clubs, or other things I might find interesting? Thanks, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49423	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Tragedy!!

Headline: Tragedy at S Helper Field Dateline: July 22, 2008 Tragedy at the S Helper Baseball Field occurred today, as the last section of green monster wall was put in put. The grounds crew while putting in the warning track along the new section of wall, accidentally knock the wall out of place. The wall was promptly re-glued back into it original place. Best of all, no one was injured, including the ban of roaming S Scale cats. Opening day is still on target. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49424	From: John Foley	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: A real neat S bridge

check it out, http://home.att.net/~no5gonehome/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-856052.html John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49425	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: S Helper Field

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=85&m=t&o=0 After the near collapse of S Helper Field, the wall was put back up. Here is the latest photos, as the glue is still wet. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49426	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

Keep up the good work amusing us Michael. Your humor and enthusiasm is refreshing. Too many people on this board take themselves too seriously. S gauge is fun! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:59 AM To: S Trains >; Toy Trains; Jeff Snell; Ralph Loveless; steve Conard; Cookie Flannery Subject: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Headline: Tragedy at S Helper Field Dateline: July 22, 2008 Tragedy at the S Helper Baseball Field occurred today, as the last section of green monster wall was put in put. The grounds crew while putting in the warning track along the new section of wall, accidentally knock the wall out of place. The wall was promptly re-glued back into it original place. Best of all, no one was injured, including the ban of roaming S Scale cats. Opening day is still on target. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1567 - Release Date: 7/22/2008 4:05 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49427	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Train shows in NH?

How long are you in NH for? --- On Tue, 7/22/08, D. Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote: From: D. Winslow <davidwin@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Train shows in NH? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 6:06 PM Hi All, Does anyone know of any shows up here in NH? How about any merchants, clubs, or other things I might find interesting? Thanks, Dave W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49428	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

Oops, I meant to write "put in place" not put in put!!!! Too much fun. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: S Trains > ; Toy Trains ; Jeff Snell ; Ralph Loveless ; steve Conard ; Cookie Flannery Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Headline: Tragedy at S Helper Field Dateline: July 22, 2008 Tragedy at the S Helper Baseball Field occurred today, as the last section of green monster wall was put in put. The grounds crew while putting in the warning track along the new section of wall, accidentally knock the wall out of place. The wall was promptly re-glued back into it original place. Best of all, no one was injured, including the ban of roaming S Scale cats. Opening day is still on target. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49429	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

Thanks Alistair, as I have gotten a "few" emails in private where a few do not see the humor. that is too bad. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Keep up the good work amusing us Michael. Your humor and enthusiasm is refreshing. Too many people on this board take themselves too seriously. S gauge is fun! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:59 AM To: S Trains >; Toy Trains; Jeff Snell; Ralph Loveless; steve Conard; Cookie Flannery Subject: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Headline: Tragedy at S Helper Field Dateline: July 22, 2008 Tragedy at the S Helper Baseball Field occurred today, as the last section of green monster wall was put in put. The grounds crew while putting in the warning track along the new section of wall, accidentally knock the wall out of place. The wall was promptly re-glued back into it original place. Best of all, no one was injured, including the ban of roaming S Scale cats. Opening day is still on target. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1567 - Release Date: 7/22/2008 4:05 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49430	From: omahakid2003	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Prototype for the AF bay window cupola caboose

I've been catching up on reading about 2 months worth of messages, so this is a little late of a response. On the subject of the AF bay caboose with both the bay window and cupola, there was no exact prototype. However, there was a picture in a Trains magazine from the 1960's of a Missouri Pacific wood caboose which had a cupola near the end, like the AF, and a bay window as well. Somewhere I have seen pictures or drawings of a steel caboose with both, but it was not like the AF caboose. Those who mentioned seeing Conrail or Penn Central cabooses with both were seeing former New Haven cabooses that were converted from cupola cabooses to bay window ones. For whatever reason this was done, the cupola was no longer functional, and the windows were plated over. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49431	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: NMRA/NTS Redux...

So sorry. I forgot to mention this. At the NASG's booths at the National Train Show, we also had product on display from River Raisin and American Model Builders. Many apologies to Dan and Jim for the oversight. Their brass is always a big hit. We got many positive comments on the Shark we had in the display case. Gerry Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49432	From: William Porter	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

Hey Mike, Arrrgh, don't let the grumps get you down. Your progress reviews and friendly style are a perfect match for the other activities in this hobby. I'm in it for the fun and you add to it. Keep up the good work, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:42 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Thanks Alistair, as I have gotten a "few" emails in private where a few do not see the humor. that is too bad. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Keep up the good work amusing us Michael. Your humor and enthusiasm is refreshing. Too many people on this board take themselves too seriously. S gauge is fun! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:59 AM To: S Trains >; Toy Trains; Jeff Snell; Ralph Loveless; steve Conard; Cookie Flannery Subject: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Headline: Tragedy at S Helper Field Dateline: July 22, 2008 Tragedy at the S Helper Baseball Field occurred today, as the last section of green monster wall was put in put. The grounds crew while putting in the warning track along the new section of wall, accidentally knock the wall out of place. The wall was promptly re-glued back into it original place. Best of all, no one was injured, including the ban of roaming S Scale cats. Opening day is still on target. Mike Marmer ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49433	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

Mike, There will definately be no humor involved, when OSHA knocks on your door to investigate this accident. I hope you have all your documentation in place to prove that all safety measures were in place, when this accident happened. As a side note , I did not see any silt fencing installed around the project site to control erosion. The next knock on your door will be the federal or Maryland Dept. Of Environmental Safety, but that is another whole issue. Good Luck with the red tape, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: mlmarmer@...: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:41:35 -0400Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Thanks Alistair, as I have gotten a "few" emails in private where a few do not see the humor.that is too bad.Mike----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:05 PMSubject: RE: [S-Trains] Tragedy!!Keep up the good work amusing us Michael. Your humor and enthusiasm isrefreshing. Too many people on this board take themselves too seriously. Sgauge is fun! Alistair_____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On BehalfOf MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMERSent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:59 AMTo: S Trains >; Toy Trains; Jeff Snell; Ralph Loveless; steve Conard; CookieFlannerySubject: [S-Trains] Tragedy!!Headline: Tragedy at S Helper FieldDateline: July 22, 2008Tragedy at the S Helper Baseball Field occurred today, as the last sectionof green monster wall was put in put.The grounds crew while putting in the warning track along the new section ofwall, accidentally knock the wall out of place.The wall was promptly re-glued back into it original place.Best of all, no one was injured, including the ban of roaming S Scale cats.Opening day is still on target.Mike Marmer[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comVersion: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1567 - Release Date: 7/22/20084:05 PM[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49434	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: For Sale .148 AM flex track and turnouts new and used

I have for sale: 15 3ft sections of new S gauge .148 AM/ME flex track 27 pieces of used S gauge .148 flex track, mostly 3ft sections 12 AM S gauge .148 turnouts (2 of which are new), mostly with motors, wiring etc. I am looking to sell as a package for the best offer. Please respond to me off line if you are interested. Jack Riely Member NASG jnr59@... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49435	From: D. Winslow	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Train shows in NH?

frank emiro wrote: > > How long are you in NH for? Well, my Mom lived to 88 so I should have maybe another 23 years :-) I live here, thanks for asking. Dave W. > > --- On Tue, 7/22/08, D. Winslow <davidwin@... > <mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net>> wrote: > > From: D. Winslow <davidwin@... <mailto:davidwin%40TDS.net>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Train shows in NH? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 6:06 PM > > Hi All, > > Does anyone know of any shows up here in NH? How about any > merchants, clubs, or other things I might find interesting? > > Thanks, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49436	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

That is too bad. One of the main attractions of this group, for me,..... was David Dewey's humor. Waaaay back in '99. Rick. > Thanks Alistair, as I have gotten a "few" emails in private where a > few do not see the humor. > > that is too bad. > > Mike > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49437	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

Dear Larry, I wonder if he will have the MSDS on file for the smoke fluid? Curious in NJ, Don Larry Moore wrote: > ...when OSHA knocks on your door to investigate this accident. I hope > you have all your documentation in place... > > Recent Activity > > * > 1 > New Members > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaDBzMTNrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjE2ODI2NDAy> > * > 16 > New Photos > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkM3FoZ2ZhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMjE2ODI2NDAy> > > Visit Your Group > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZ2ZoZDZhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyMTY4MjY0MDI-> > > Yahoo! Finance > > It's Now Personal > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13o6drka9/M=493064.12016257.12445664.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1216833603/L=/B=2RaGAELaX.8-/J=1216826403305135/A=4507179/R=0/SIG=12de4rskk/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=50284/*http://finance.yahoo.com/personal-finance> > > Guides, news, > > advice & more. > > Sitebuilder > > Build a web site > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13o3e6ahn/M=493064.12016255.12445662.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1216833603/L=/B=2haGAELaX.8-/J=1216826403305135/A=4025304/R=0/SIG=12uhb64pb/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44092/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting/sitebuilding.php> > > quickly & easily > > with Sitebuilder. > > Yahoo! Groups > > Balance your life > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13o8t5g30/M=493064.12016238.12823558.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1216833603/L=/B=2xaGAELaX.8-/J=1216826403305135/A=5286667/R=0/SIG=11in3uvr5/*http://new.groups.yahoo.com/planforabalancedlife> > > by learning how to > > make smart choices. > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49438	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Tragedy!!

In a message dated 7/23/2008 10:20:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, mo2337@... writes: Mike, There will definately be no humor involved, when OSHA knocks on your door to investigate this accident. I hope you have all your documentation in place to prove that all safety measures were in place, when this accident happened. As a side note , I did not see any silt fencing installed around the project site to control erosion. The next knock on your door will be the federal or Maryland Dept. Of Environmental Safety, but that is another whole issue. Good Luck with the red tape, Larry Moore Kinda confirms what an "important" Washingtonian said the other day. "We need to get the government out of the way" to be successful. Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49439	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

Don,The plot is thickening. Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: don@...: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:54:57 -0400Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Dear Larry,I wonder if he will have the MSDS on file for the smoke fluid?Curious in NJ,DonLarry Moore wrote:> ...when OSHA knocks on your door to investigate this accident. I hope > you have all your documentation in place...>> Recent Activity>> *> 1> New Members> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaDBzMTNrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjE2ODI2NDAy>> *> 16> New Photos> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkM3FoZ2ZhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMjE2ODI2NDAy>>> Visit Your Group > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZ2ZoZDZhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyMTY4MjY0MDI-> >> Yahoo! Finance>> It's Now Personal > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13o6drka9/M=493064.12016257.12445664.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1216833603/L=/B=2RaGAELaX.8-/J=1216826403305135/A=4507179/R=0/SIG=12de4rskk/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=50284/*http://finance.yahoo.com/personal-finance>>> Guides, news,>> advice & more.>> Sitebuilder>> Build a web site > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13o3e6ahn/M=493064.12016255.12445662.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1216833603/L=/B=2haGAELaX.8-/J=1216826403305135/A=4025304/R=0/SIG=12uhb64pb/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44092/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting/sitebuilding.php>>> quickly & easily>> with Sitebuilder.>> Yahoo! Groups>> Balance your life > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13o8t5g30/M=493064.12016238.12823558.8674578/D=groups/S=1706533818:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1216833603/L=/B=2xaGAELaX.8-/J=1216826403305135/A=5286667/R=0/SIG=11in3uvr5/*http://new.groups.yahoo.com/planforabalancedlife>>> by learning how to>> make smart choices.>> .>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49440	From: Ed	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

Hi, addressing two birds with one stone, lol Humor is viewed differently because we are all different. Some like it, others won't. Some people are very serious minded and others are light hearted. We can never please all. All I ask of you is if you don't like it, then hit delete and move on and please don't bash the individual. As we read some of these posts, it can remind you of your previous projects that went awry and laugh about it now, but back then we were crying over the spilt milk. We all do have feelings and the last thing that we want to see is a bunch of hurt feelings and no one posting messages. This is a message board to answer individuals questions and display our multi talents and knowledge for those who ask as well as a somewhat social venue. Some people we will never meet except through this venue. On our Sunday night chat, it is more social with some questions interspersed during the evening chat. Always remember reading the printed word does not generally have the inflection of the voice typing a post. I brought up the photo situation last week. Today are examples of new photos in the Right Hand Bar stating "New Photos". These are the new photos from Stumpy and Mike, the 1st place one should look when there is not a name or link to the photos. These will expire in time and then would be found in their respective albums, of which they are presently located as well. Near the bottom of the post, you will also see the Bar with Photos located there. Going here is where you would need the name of the album. If you don't put the album name in your post, then you will need to place a link in your post. Keep on posting those photos for all to see what can be done and inspire one's imagination. Having a great day, enjoy your life Ed Eckert, a volunteer moderator -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Evans Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 8:41 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! That is too bad. One of the main attractions of this group, for me,..... was David Dewey's humor. Waaaay back in '99. Rick. > Thanks Alistair, as I have gotten a "few" emails in private where a > few do not see the humor. > > that is too bad. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49441	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: More NMRA/NTS...

From yesterday's NMRA/NTS round-up, I forgot to mention two other S vendors who had booths at the NTS. These would include Wild West Models who were showing some very nice wild west S building kits and tons of shingle varieties and Frenchman River Model Works who displayed one S fishing trawler and a smattering of HO boats that would work nicely on an S layout. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49442	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

Rick, David and I share the same interest in certain comic strips in the paper, so David can't be all that bad. No, I have not gotten any negative emails on my S Helper Field bit, but I have in the past. Oh well. Actually some of the humor on the post back in 1999 as you mention was greatly appreciated by my wife Linda, as I had just joined this group in November of 1999 a few days before my 3rd back surgery. Linda had no idea that I signed up for this list, as I went through a 10 hr procedure that was quite stressful to her. Not me, because I was out of it. LOL She got home late and wanted to send a few emails out to some people to let all know how things went. Well, a ton of emails came from a "S list" as she had no idea what was going on. Then she figured it out, that I had just signed up for this chat group. The big discussion of that day was getting the cows to move up the ramp on the cattle loader. She was laughing so hard at some of the emails. Check them out in the past emails, about 11-17-99. So humor is good overall. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! That is too bad. One of the main attractions of this group, for me,..... was David Dewey's humor. Waaaay back in '99. Rick. > Thanks Alistair, as I have gotten a "few" emails in private where a > few do not see the humor. > > that is too bad. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49443	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

Larry, Now you tell me I need a silt fence and protective things for the workers! The only one on the layout is my Hugo Chavez "Marx" 1950's military man. Sadly, he did survive the accident. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Mike, There will definately be no humor involved, when OSHA knocks on your door to investigate this accident. I hope you have all your documentation in place to prove that all safety measures were in place, when this accident happened. As a side note , I did not see any silt fencing installed around the project site to control erosion. The next knock on your door will be the federal or Maryland Dept. Of Environmental Safety, but that is another whole issue. Good Luck with the red tape, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: mlmarmer@...: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:41:35 -0400Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Thanks Alistair, as I have gotten a "few" emails in private where a few do not see the humor.that is too bad.Mike----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:05 PMSubject: RE: [S-Trains] Tragedy!!Keep up the good work amusing us Michael. Your humor and enthusiasm isrefreshing. Too many people on this board take themselves too seriously. Sgauge is fun! Alistair_____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On BehalfOf MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMERSent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:59 AMTo: S Trains >; Toy Trains; Jeff Snell; Ralph Loveless; steve Conard; CookieFlannerySubject: [S-Trains] Tragedy!!Headline: Tragedy at S Helper FieldDateline: July 22, 2008Tragedy at the S Helper Baseball Field occurred today, as the last sectionof green monster wall was put in put.The grounds crew while putting in the warning track along the new section ofwall, accidentally knock the wall out of place.The wall was promptly re-glued back into it original place.Best of all, no one was injured, including the ban of roaming S Scale cats.Opening day is still on target.Mike Marmer[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comVersion: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1567 - Release Date: 7/22/20084:05 PM[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49444	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

Thanks Bill. Glad you like the reports. Oh, I did get some emails from JFred, which where fine. He said for me to make a winter Football field Pop up, since fields at one time had both. That could be a possibility someday but not now. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: William Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Hey Mike, Arrrgh, don't let the grumps get you down. Your progress reviews and friendly style are a perfect match for the other activities in this hobby. I'm in it for the fun and you add to it. Keep up the good work, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:42 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! Thanks Alistair, as I have gotten a "few" emails in private where a few do not see the humor. that is too bad. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49445	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: DCC Action Cars

I receive in the mail today three AF action cars I sent to S-N-S trains to be converted over to DCC. I already had a action box car done by them and it works great. Today I got a lumber, log dump and milk (box) car back. WOW! This is great and really will make the layout better with more action. No third rail or outside rail, no metal piece sticking out from the truck for power and operate the cars anywhere on the layout. This is great!!!!! I highly recommend anyone that has DCC to convert some action cars over, even if you are pure scale. Adds a bit of action to the layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49446	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

Mike,   You must keep in mind the difference between humor and odor. Humor is a shift of wit whereas odor is a wift of ...., well you know. It's always nice to read your posts as I can count on a chuckle if not an outright laugh. In these troubling economic times a good laugh is needed by all. Speaking of economics, did you have to float a bond issue to underwrite the cost of S Helper Field? Or is the team fronting the cost? Keep us smiling.   Bob  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49447	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: ideas

Last year we bought a new house. It does not have a basement and it would take a lot of work to make a train room in the attic. I looked a plan A, which was to add a room to the house. That would set my retirement back a year. So I am looking for a plan B. I am considering taking half of the garage and put a 10x20 room in it. I would do it in such a manner that it could be removed without leaving scars on or in the floors and walls. Also it would have a window type airconditioner and heater. Have any of you done this? Any layout ideas? I have two transformers, four engines and a bunch of cars. I believe there are two crossings and two sets of turnouts. Adding and deleting from this empire is gonna happen. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49448	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: ideas

I did this when we lived in California and had a house built on a slab. Be sure to include insulation for the walls in your plans as your comfort and utility bills for that window unit will certainly offset the insulation cost. Don't forget the ceiling as well. I had a problem with critters getting in until I put in a threshold for the door and weatherstripping. Saves on cheese for the traps. Gotta plan for all of the economic offsets to justify things.   Bill Drake about to be University City, MO --- On Wed, 7/23/08, A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@...> wrote: From: A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@...> Subject: [S-Trains] ideas To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 11:00 PM Last year we bought a new house. It does not have a basement and it would take a lot of work to make a train room in the attic. I looked a plan A, which was to add a room to the house. That would set my retirement back a year. So I am looking for a plan B. I am considering taking half of the garage and put a 10x20 room in it. I would do it in such a manner that it could be removed without leaving scars on or in the floors and walls. Also it would have a window type airconditioner and heater. Have any of you done this? Any layout ideas? I have two transformers, four engines and a bunch of cars. I believe there are two crossings and two sets of turnouts. Adding and deleting from this empire is gonna happen. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49449	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!!

I joined in Dec. Ya beat me by a month. No wait, it may have been Jan. 2000. On Jul 23, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Rick, > > David and I share the same interest in certain comic strips in the > paper, so David can't be all that bad. > > No, I have not gotten any negative emails on my S Helper Field bit, > but I have in the past. > > Oh well. > > Actually some of the humor on the post back in 1999 as you mention > was greatly appreciated by my wife Linda, as I had just joined this > group in November of 1999 a few days before my 3rd back surgery. > > Linda had no idea that I signed up for this list, as I went through > a 10 hr procedure that was quite stressful to her. Not me, because > I was out of it. LOL > > She got home late and wanted to send a few emails out to some people > to let all know how things went. Well, a ton of emails came from a > "S list" as she had no idea what was going on. Then she figured it > out, that I had just signed up for this chat group. > > The big discussion of that day was getting the cows to move up the > ramp on the cattle loader. > > She was laughing so hard at some of the emails. > > Check them out in the past emails, about 11-17-99. > > So humor is good overall. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Evans > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tragedy!! > > > That is too bad. > One of the main attractions of this group, for me,..... was David > Dewey's humor. > Waaaay back in '99. > > Rick. > >> Thanks Alistair, as I have gotten a "few" emails in private where a >> few do not see the humor. >> >> that is too bad. >> >> Mike >> >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49450	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Posted New Photos of Custom Locos

Hi, I just got done posting new photos of 25 of my custom locomotives - see Al Baker's Customs. Creating these is my passion. Look close - a few don't have many changes, but there are several that I bet you never have seen in S-gauge. Many of these are my own creations. Several of these I bought as customs, but then each one I have modified further. I am not an artist, and I don't have a shop, so sometimes things ended up a little crude. But I enjoy these, and I hope you enjoy the pictures. Feel free to ask questions or comment. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49451	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: HO Street Light

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/3e04?c= Does anyone recognize this HO street light that I got in the 1960's. I am thinking it was either made by Atlas or Life Like as there where 3 in a pack. They did have light bulbs in them. They actually a cross between S and HO. Life Like makes a Expressway street light but I really like these better. So, now it is time to search ebay for more. Thanks for any help any gives me on this, like who made them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49452	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Flyer bay window/cupola caboose

Funny this should pop up again just now. We spoke about this at the hobby shop just the other day. Both Gary and a customer, Rich, claim they saw these in the flesh several years ago. Gary saw four at Cumberland, MD. He was allowed inside one and said they were quite luxurious as cabooses go with larger bathroom areas, oil heaters, and comfortable padded seats. Rich saw two in Cincinnati, OH. Rich said the two he saw were to be delivered to a railroad museum! Just when the elusive Flyer deLuxe caboose seemed to be a pipe dream, they reappear. It's like seeing Bigfoot or UFOs, you know you saw it, but where's the proof? Sooner or later, someone will stumble across a photo, and put this mystery to rest.....or not! Have fun. Stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49453	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy!

Mike, Hmm, regluing without getting a permit, nor informing the authorties of an obvious design flaw that allowed the collapse in the first place. Oooh boy, you've stepped in it now---and we ain't talking about a glue drip puddle!! :) Speaking of which, I think you need another sponsor's sign for your green monster: Elmer's Glue with a cow on it! BTW, real life, your green monstor reminds me of the green wood fence around the Dunsmuir City Ball park, which was like that when I was a kid--my folk's place is on the north side, so that was the fence/property line. It's now a chain link fence. Anyways I and a friend decided to "walk" the upper cross beams all the way around the park (why??? I dunno, why do we do stuff as kids?). We didn't have any problems, except aftewards when we discoverd our arms were full of tiny wood slivers! Seems that I remember the "walk" taking most of an afternoon--that's a looong fence! And it was important to not touch the ground the whole time (huh??? Oh well, amazing what you remember and what you forget). BTW, The wood grandstand is still there, the one where everyone watched Babe Ruth play some exhibition games Baseball was pretty big back then in the Dunsmuir area--the lumber companies would even hire "ringers" to play on their teams (semi-pro ball players who would become "lumber workers" for the season), and lots of gambling involved; which all ended when police chief Clark "cleaned up the town" during his run for County Sherrif (he won, but it did put a dent in the local economy). Think I'm getting way off track here (Railroad content!)--but I didn't mention the Save the Delta Queen campaign at all (which hit Fox news last Saturday, BTW--check You Tube)! Rick--Thanks for the compliment, most of the time I figure most folks just endure my "humor"! S'teamcerely, David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49454	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: AM Budd Plastic Diaphrams for Sale

I have a package of black diaphram sets which fit the AM Budd cars but can be used for the AM streamlined cars or other passenger cars as well. I'm not sure AM still sells these as I can't find them on their website. $30 for a set of 7 pairs, first come first serve including postage. Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49455	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: ideas

bigfoot; Yes. I'm running a little over 400 feet of track in our garage, started with a bench top loop with inside yard and a double loop at garage door hanger height going around entire garage (20x20). It grew with a helix added to gain up/down access from bench to upper loop (5% grade, yes virginia, you can handle 5% grades). Then it gained a 5% grade going up the wall, across garage door front (removable if need be, but cars can navigate under the "bridge"), with a 270 join up at the top. Lastly, a large center reverse loop / 3 line yard between the upper level double tracks. Final event, full conversion to DCC, currently have 42 cards modded with kadees and SHS trucks, along with 11 locos converted to DCC (mainly loksound, some soundtraxx), got about 35 cars left, and another 8 or so locos, depending. It violates your "no attachments without leaving scars rule". My response is, who cares? It's your garage, you (or your heirs) can always yank and paint, no big deal. I did a self install window / AC combo, used "glass bricks" to replace the bricks I removed, makes it much more hospitable in there. At all times the garage is still usable for 2 cars, although large P/U's have to stay outside mostly. So - your plan b will work fine, have at it, and think outside the box a little bit, you'll enjoy it more. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A. E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> wrote: > > Last year we bought a new house. It does not have a basement and it would take a lot of work to make a train room in the attic. I looked a plan A, which was to add a room to the house. That would set my retirement back a year. So I am looking for a plan B. I am considering taking half of the garage and put a 10x20 room in it. I would do it in such a manner that it could be removed without leaving scars on or in the floors and walls. Also it would have a window type airconditioner and heater. > > Have any of you done this? Any layout ideas? I have two transformers, four engines and a bunch of cars. I believe there are two crossings and two sets of turnouts. Adding and deleting from this empire is gonna happen. > > bigfoot > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49456	From: Jim King	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Herald King is back in business

I had the pleasure of chatting with Herald King's new owners, Emma and Rick Naylor, this week. Rick requested that I let other modelers know that they are back in business under the Herald King name after many, many years of inactivity (14 years, I think he said). You can view their on-line catalog and get contact info by visiting www.heraldking.com. Not only will they re-issue the old offerings, they will also entertain custom-run decals in multiple scales. According to Rick, a ballpark cost for artwork is $25-30, decal sheets will run around $12-14 each depending on number of colors and the minimum order is 15 sheets. Very reasonable, IMO. Gather up your modeling dollars and go support the rebirth of a great line of decals. Having a source for more modern, high-quality S scale decals should be a welcomed announcement for S modelers. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49457	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Garage project

As a kid I lived at Texarkana. I saw a lot of KCS, MoP, Cotton Belt and T&P. My memory seems to recall a Rock Island as well. I would go to northeast Arkansas and visit cousins, aunts and uncles and see the Frisco. I think this might be the theme I will try to capture. But then, just having the trains run again will be a major joy. The cars are outside anyway. Until I can get a storage shed up, the garage collects stuff that SHE, you know, the BOSS, does not want in the house. I need time to condition the boss to the impending changes, so I am thinking about it now. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49458	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: ideas

Phil, that is wonderful. That is an ideas that I didn't come up with. Like many houses in this area, mine is ground level on a concrete slab. and the garage ceoling is at the same height as the remainder of the house. It seems that I have seem pics or maybe even a layout where the track was at a height above the garage door. Built in storage was on the sides of the garage and a walkway was over that. I really like that idea except my garage door in the up position is well less than a foot from the ceiling. Keep thinking Bigfoot ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Dunlop To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: ideas bigfoot; Yes. I'm running a little over 400 feet of track in our garage, started with a bench top loop with inside yard and a double loop at garage door hanger height going around entire garage (20x20). It grew with a helix added to gain up/down access from bench to upper loop (5% grade, yes virginia, you can handle 5% grades). Then it gained a 5% grade going up the wall, across garage door front (removable if need be, but cars can navigate under the "bridge"), with a 270 join up at the top. Lastly, a large center reverse loop / 3 line yard between the upper level double tracks. Final event, full conversion to DCC, currently have 42 cards modded with kadees and SHS trucks, along with 11 locos converted to DCC (mainly loksound, some soundtraxx), got about 35 cars left, and another 8 or so locos, depending. It violates your "no attachments without leaving scars rule". My response is, who cares? It's your garage, you (or your heirs) can always yank and paint, no big deal. I did a self install window / AC combo, used "glass bricks" to replace the bricks I removed, makes it much more hospitable in there. At all times the garage is still usable for 2 cars, although large P/U's have to stay outside mostly. So - your plan b will work fine, have at it, and think outside the box a little bit, you'll enjoy it more. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A. E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> wrote: > > Last year we bought a new house. It does not have a basement and it would take a lot of work to make a train room in the attic. I looked a plan A, which was to add a room to the house. That would set my retirement back a year. So I am looking for a plan B. I am considering taking half of the garage and put a 10x20 room in it. I would do it in such a manner that it could be removed without leaving scars on or in the floors and walls. Also it would have a window type airconditioner and heater. > > Have any of you done this? Any layout ideas? I have two transformers, four engines and a bunch of cars. I believe there are two crossings and two sets of turnouts. Adding and deleting from this empire is gonna happen. > > bigfoot > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49459	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Garage project

hahahahah,,,, enjoy! Stake your claim, man turf is at least the garage. The BOSS pretty much controls the rest, but the garage is OURS. Her car goes in there, and mine used to until it got to be as long as the garage and wouldn't fit. So, things like that controlled the layout, but the layout still went in. cheers p --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A. E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> wrote: > > As a kid I lived at Texarkana. I saw a lot of KCS, MoP, Cotton Belt and T&P. My memory seems to recall a Rock Island as well. I would go to northeast Arkansas and visit cousins, aunts and uncles and see the Frisco. I think this might be the theme I will try to capture. But then, just having the trains run again will be a major joy. > > The cars are outside anyway. Until I can get a storage shed up, the garage collects stuff that SHE, you know, the BOSS, does not want in the house. I need time to condition the boss to the impending changes, so I am thinking about it now. > > bigfoot > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49460	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Link to Posted New Photos of Custom Locos

Per request - link to photos. Thanks Bob! Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I just got done posting new photos of 25 of my custom locomotives - see > Al Baker's Customs. Creating these is my passion. Look close - a few > don't have many changes, but there are several that I bet you never > have seen in S-gauge. Many of these are my own creations. Several of > these I bought as customs, but then each one I have modified further. > > I am not an artist, and I don't have a shop, so sometimes things ended > up a little crude. But I enjoy these, and I hope you enjoy the > pictures. > > Feel free to ask questions or comment. > > Al Baker > Portland, OR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49461	From: Edward G.	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Garage project

OK OK OK ...So its Time to put your Pants ON...Take back all you have WORKED For ...Never mind where to put it ...Set it up in the Living Room of the house ....I went to a house in Cal...where the layout started at the front door and filed the entire living room ...the owner said ..Everyone that comes to see us is here to watch and see the trains anyway ...so we entertain in the family room and everyone get to see and play trains in the main room of the house ...IT WAS TERRIFIC...Hes Got a Point... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A. E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> wrote: > > As a kid I lived at Texarkana. I saw a lot of KCS, MoP, Cotton Belt and T&P. My memory seems to recall a Rock Island as well. I would go to northeast Arkansas and visit cousins, aunts and uncles and see the Frisco. I think this might be the theme I will try to capture. But then, just having the trains run again will be a major joy. > > The cars are outside anyway. Until I can get a storage shed up, the garage collects stuff that SHE, you know, the BOSS, does not want in the house. I need time to condition the boss to the impending changes, so I am thinking about it now. > > bigfoot > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49462	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: (Really!) Link to Posted New Photos of Custom Locos

I think I forgot the link last time! Sorry! Here it is - link to the photos: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/6aa3?c --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I just got done posting new photos of 25 of my custom locomotives - see > Al Baker's Customs. Creating these is my passion. Look close - a few > don't have many changes, but there are several that I bet you never > have seen in S-gauge. Many of these are my own creations. Several of > these I bought as customs, but then each one I have modified further. > > I am not an artist, and I don't have a shop, so sometimes things ended > up a little crude. But I enjoy these, and I hope you enjoy the > pictures. > > Feel free to ask questions or comment. > > Al Baker > Portland, OR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49463	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Posted New Photos of Custom Locos

Please when you post photos.... Post a link so I can find it... Stumpy... need a link to yours too.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Al Baker" <albaker33@...>: -------------- Hi, I just got done posting new photos of 25 of my custom locomotives - see Al Baker's Customs. Creating these is my passion. Look close - a few don't have many changes, but there are several that I bet you never have seen in S-gauge. Many of these are my own creations. Several of these I bought as customs, but then each one I have modified further. I am not an artist, and I don't have a shop, so sometimes things ended up a little crude. But I enjoy these, and I hope you enjoy the pictures. Feel free to ask questions or comment. Al Baker Portland, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49464	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer bay window/cupola caboose

Stumpy - I will believe it when I see a picture of one, for now it was just a "dreamed" up model by AC Gilbert for their American Flyer line!   I have "Googled" until my eyes started to have cupola's on them!   Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Flyer bay window/cupola caboose To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 7:47 AM Funny this should pop up again just now. We spoke about this at the hobby shop just the other day. Both Gary and a customer, Rich, claim they saw these in the flesh several years ago. Gary saw four at Cumberland, MD. He was allowed inside one and said they were quite luxurious as cabooses go with larger bathroom areas, oil heaters, and comfortable padded seats. Rich saw two in Cincinnati, OH. Rich said the two he saw were to be delivered to a railroad museum! Just when the elusive Flyer deLuxe caboose seemed to be a pipe dream, they reappear. It's like seeing Bigfoot or UFOs, you know you saw it, but where's the proof? Sooner or later, someone will stumble across a photo, and put this mystery to rest.....or not! Have fun. Stumpy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49465	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: For Sale Pennsy Heavyweight Pullman Passenger Car Decals-S

Purchased years ago but never used: PRR-1 Pennsylvania RR Decal Set Heavyweight Pullman Passenger Cars with stripes Bronze Gold Lettering and car names etc. 2 Packages for $10 including postage. First come first served. Please respond off line. From Des Plaines Hobbies Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49466	From: Ed	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Posted New Photos of Custom Locos

To All, In these 2 cases they are under their names. Go to photos and locate the albums with their names, Al Bakers...& Stumpys..., then click on them to open. A reminder when posting photo information, please state the name of the album or provide a link. Links are not necessary as long as the album name has been provided. Moderator, Ed Eckert -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rcon7@... Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:29 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Al Baker Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Posted New Photos of Custom Locos Please when you post photos.... Post a link so I can find it... Stumpy... need a link to yours too.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Al Baker" <albaker33@comcast. <mailto:albaker33%40comcast.net> net>: -------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49467	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: QUESTION ABOUT BRAND L!

I have gotten an ad from Charles Ro about a new line on l train sets.... Even though I am really into flyer ( I need a new house just to store this stuff) There was a couple sets I wanted when I was a boy.... The GG-1, etc.... My question is they post a price of 249.95 for the boxed set in the original type wrappings, old magna traction, etc..... Is this a discounted price or the full price?... does anybody know of any cheaper prices on this new line? Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49468	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: ideas

Each garage is different. Some have room for a loft type train area. Some are deep enough to build over where the nose of the car goes (no mini vans). While others the only choice is to take the space for one car (this works better with the  2 1/2 car garage as there is still room for a lawn mower and other such) In each case you work with what you have. jfred --- On Thu, 7/24/08, A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@...> wrote: From: A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: ideas To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 12:35 PM Phil, that is wonderful. That is an ideas that I didn't come up with. Like many houses in this area, mine is ground level on a concrete slab. and the garage ceoling is at the same height as the remainder of the house. It seems that I have seem pics or maybe even a layout where the track was at a height above the garage door. Built in storage was on the sides of the garage and a walkway was over that. I really like that idea except my garage door in the up position is well less than a foot from the ceiling. Keep thinking Bigfoot ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Dunlop To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: ideas bigfoot; Yes. I'm running a little over 400 feet of track in our garage, started with a bench top loop with inside yard and a double loop at garage door hanger height going around entire garage (20x20). It grew with a helix added to gain up/down access from bench to upper loop (5% grade, yes virginia, you can handle 5% grades). Then it gained a 5% grade going up the wall, across garage door front (removable if need be, but cars can navigate under the "bridge"), with a 270 join up at the top. Lastly, a large center reverse loop / 3 line yard between the upper level double tracks. Final event, full conversion to DCC, currently have 42 cards modded with kadees and SHS trucks, along with 11 locos converted to DCC (mainly loksound, some soundtraxx), got about 35 cars left, and another 8 or so locos, depending. It violates your "no attachments without leaving scars rule". My response is, who cares? It's your garage, you (or your heirs) can always yank and paint, no big deal. I did a self install window / AC combo, used "glass bricks" to replace the bricks I removed, makes it much more hospitable in there. At all times the garage is still usable for 2 cars, although large P/U's have to stay outside mostly. So - your plan b will work fine, have at it, and think outside the box a little bit, you'll enjoy it more. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "A. E. Johnson" <bigfoot@... > wrote: > > Last year we bought a new house. It does not have a basement and it would take a lot of work to make a train room in the attic. I looked a plan A, which was to add a room to the house. That would set my retirement back a year. So I am looking for a plan B. I am considering taking half of the garage and put a 10x20 room in it. I would do it in such a manner that it could be removed without leaving scars on or in the floors and walls. Also it would have a window type airconditioner and heater. > > Have any of you done this? Any layout ideas? I have two transformers, four engines and a bunch of cars. I believe there are two crossings and two sets of turnouts. Adding and deleting from this empire is gonna happen. > > bigfoot > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49469	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Cattle Loader

The authentic AF 1957 to 1961 Stockyard was sacrifice today on the D&R RR layout being built. Good thing this accessory has a very low $ value, as we know they are quite common, so common, Lionel scraped plans to make a reproduction of it. Since I am running DCC and not using AF track, the part where the track goes over was cut off by the workers today with a dremal. It took 5 dremel cutting rounds to whip that sucker off. LOL The cutting rounds where grounded to a pulp. No workers lost any fingers in the process and no cow fell over. No cow tipping will be allowed. The stock yard is now on a freight siding. I am not sure if DCC will work on the cattle car, but now I will get to watch those black and brown cows go round and round in circles, getting everyone ill from cow circle sickness. A barf bag set up will be in order for watching the cows. Although the cows may not be loaded in the stock car,as I believe they actually Texas Steer, they will be promptly delivered to Morton's Steak House. If we are lucky a steer might escape and head to the ball field to be a mascot. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49470	From: G C	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer bay window/cupola caboose

Jerry,   It exists, I saw one in area 51 in New Mexico once. L.O.L. Seriously, I think Mike's post about the cupola windows being boarded up on the ex Penn Centrals has some merrit. You could do the same on yours and just say the bay windows were added for better vision on certain routes.Some of us do like to have things a bit railroad like. If anything it is a nice cinversation piece. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49471	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: ideas

I am going to suggest some sort of ceiling storage type of layout, on a grand scale, of course. I have seen a couple of these in HO and would think it possible in S, also. Carlton **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49472	From: Trains	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: ideas

Hey everyone: you guys, and gals got it all wrong ....garages are not for cars and lawnmowers, etc. GARAGES ARE FOR TRAINS PERIOD! You should never store or garage a gasoline or other fuel powerd vehicle/implement in or adjacent to a home...they are very dangerous...causes homes to explode/burn down all the time, especialy if there is any source of spark or combustion in vacinity (water heater etc.). In addition aluminum/titanium castings of power tools and implement parts can almost never be extingushed once burning. Cars and any other item requiring combustible materials should be in a well ventilated outdoor (carport, tool shed) area at least 5 feet away (10 feet is better) from exterior of home. Ask any fire department about these dangers, oh by the way you also have the hydrocarbon fumes from above in your breathing air in the home. Don't need that do you? So, tell those concerned: ... "because you love and care for them and to save their lives from potential Cancer / nervous system hazards, and to prevent them from possibly being burned alive in a fast moving house fire, you are removing all hazards to health, life and limb by converting a dangerous GARAGE to a SAFE, well insulated, lighted and functional LAYOUT ROOM...." This worked well for me in Houston Texas some years ago. S gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49473	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Budd Diaphrams previously posted are Sold-thanks for your interest!

Jack Riely

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49474	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re:

Yes. Hook up the controller and a plain wire in parallel to the track. Alternately touch only the controller lead to the transformer and then only the plain wire. If it's the controller try getting a Lionel Railsound button to try. I find these very reliable with an AC transformer If this isn't clear I can send you a diagram. I also have a diagram for a controller box you can make to replace the railsound controllers. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of butch8339@... Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:26 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] On the subject of my american model steam engine blowing the whilstle all the time....I'm runing ac.....but i think the problem is with the controller.....I think its letting some dc voltage through...and the more volts i give it the more it blows...is this possible?.....Is there any way to check the controller to see if this is happening..... I put the engine on another track where the controller is not hook up and it stoped....so i know it must be the controller....has any one had a problem with the AM controllers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49475	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Posted New Photos of Custom Locos

WOW! Nice work, Al! Most impressive. This sort of thing was much more common some years ago, when "Hi-rail" modelers used old Flyer to build more realistic variations of existing locos and cars. For those who have come to the S hobby recently, it's probably hard to imagine those "dark days" of model railroading's past when there was much less availible. Custom rebuilding has pretty much fallen by the wayside with the exception of a select few with the imagination and talent to perform such conversions. And, of course, there are some hard core collectors who object to this from time to time, but there are plenty of inexpensive and junk locos out there to rework if you just hunt around. And there are those customs built some years ago which pop up once in a while that deserve to be saved. Once again, nice work and thanks for posting the photos! Stumpy Stone...Appalachian member, Brotherhood of Bashers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49476	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: ideas

Bigfoot; Not a problem on garage door distance from ceiling, so's mine. Tracks run next to wall, in between garage door rails and wall, I had enough room for double tracks, up front the track is along the front wall, garage door opens and does it's thing, don't matter that's it's only a foot from the ceiling, rail is again between door and wall. On mine I run it over the garage door track, then it drops slightly, goes under the garager door opener hardware, up a slight incline over the garage door track, and into the turn back on the other side of the wall. So, it's a little "hilly" at the front of the garage (double doors). The only problem I had was I had to move the garage door opener hardware up about 2" to give clearance for the locomotives to go under it. Garage door doesn't seem to care. Granted, you cannot see the locomotive or train when the garage doors are open, but I can live with that. When I'm operating I like to keep them closed anyhoo. If you want pics, contact me offline, Ill take some to give you the idea. Or,,,, check out youtube, search for "barney6812", I've got 5 or 6 videos posted, you can see the main parts in the videos, take you about 15 minutes to view them all and you'll have a good idea of how it looks. You can also see some of the progression from old AF trucks and couplers to SHS trucks and kadee couplers. The layout ain't optimal, but it's been in operation for 17 years now, so I think it's stable! cheers p --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A. E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> wrote: > > Phil, that is wonderful. That is an ideas that I didn't come up with. Like many houses in this area, mine is ground level on a concrete slab. and the garage ceoling is at the same height as the remainder of the house. > > It seems that I have seem pics or maybe even a layout where the track was at a height above the garage door. Built in storage was on the sides of the garage and a walkway was over that. I really like that idea except my garage door in the up position is well less than a foot from the ceiling. > > Keep thinking > > Bigfoot > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phil Dunlop > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:27 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: ideas > > > bigfoot; > > Yes. > > I'm running a little over 400 feet of track in our garage, started > with a bench top loop with inside yard and a double loop at garage > door hanger height going around entire garage (20x20). > > It grew with a helix added to gain up/down access from bench to upper > loop (5% grade, yes virginia, you can handle 5% grades). Then it > gained a 5% grade going up the wall, across garage door front > (removable if need be, but cars can navigate under the "bridge"), > with a 270 join up at the top. > > Lastly, a large center reverse loop / 3 line yard between the upper > level double tracks. > > Final event, full conversion to DCC, currently have 42 cards modded > with kadees and SHS trucks, along with 11 locos converted to DCC > (mainly loksound, some soundtraxx), got about 35 cars left, and > another 8 or so locos, depending. > > It violates your "no attachments without leaving scars rule". My > response is, who cares? It's your garage, you (or your heirs) can > always yank and paint, no big deal. I did a self install window / AC > combo, used "glass bricks" to replace the bricks I removed, makes it > much more hospitable in there. At all times the garage is still > usable for 2 cars, although large P/U's have to stay outside mostly. > > So - your plan b will work fine, have at it, and think outside the > box a little bit, you'll enjoy it more. > > cheers > phil d > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A. E. Johnson" <bigfoot@> wrote: > > > > Last year we bought a new house. It does not have a basement and it > would take a lot of work to make a train room in the attic. I looked > a plan A, which was to add a room to the house. That would set my > retirement back a year. So I am looking for a plan B. I am > considering taking half of the garage and put a 10x20 room in it. I > would do it in such a manner that it could be removed without leaving > scars on or in the floors and walls. Also it would have a window type > airconditioner and heater. > > > > Have any of you done this? Any layout ideas? I have two > transformers, four engines and a bunch of cars. I believe there are > two crossings and two sets of turnouts. Adding and deleting from this > empire is gonna happen. > > > > bigfoot > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49477	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Tragedy at S Helper Field Part 2

Tragedy had occurred once again at S Helper Field. Thankfully, no game was being played nor any work was being done at the time at S Helper Field, so there where no injuries. After testing the AC Gilbert Company Dairy Action Box car, it was time to take a run with a fresh load of milk from a nearby town, since the dairy operation at the D&K RR town is not in place. The train pulled in behind the Branford Diner, soon to be renamed the D&K RR Diner, and proceeded to deliver it's load of fresh milk in small barrels. When the AC Gilbert Milk Co. employee started to unload the barrels, he pushed too hard on one and it went flying over the loading dock with fence and it went off like a bomb and sailed into right field at S Helper Field. Again, to calm all of those who might have friends or relatives on the ballteam or in the town, no one was injured. Mr. Marx Military Police man arrived to question the AC Gilbert Milk Employee, who name is being withheld at this time. As last we saw, Mr. Max had one of hands up in a (please) stop position to the employee who was delivering the milk canister. But we want to know if the milk canister that landed on S Helper Field was either whole milk, 2% or fat free milk. Pictures and more details to follow later. Mike Marmer reporting live at the scene. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49478	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: New pictures and pages at TheGilbertGallery.org

- Frontiersman sets: all painted cars and one of the "First 50" sets are now shown      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Frontiersman.html   - The thick and thin step versions of the #631 gondola      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/gondolas.html   - The Flyonel Blue Comet Pullman Heavyweight set with its Pacific loco      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Pullman_Heavyweights_Blue_Comet.html   - The Flyonel Pennsy Pullman Heavyweight add-on set; can anyone send me pictures of the 4-car set?      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Pullman_Heavyweights_PRR.html   - The Flyonel New York Central Pullman Heavyweight add-on set; can anyone send me pictures of the 4-car set?      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Pullman_Heavyweights_NYC.html   - The Flyonel Milwaukee Northern      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Northern.html   - A new page has been created for the Crown Models product line of reefers      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/reefers_Crown_Models.html   - Detailed shots of some of the Flyonel Geeps      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-GP-Series.html      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-GP-Series-2.html      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-GP-Series-3.html   - Updates to the For Sale pages      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Gilbert_AF.html      http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Amer_Models.html   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49479	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Tragedy at S Helper Field Part 2

Mike, It is SO HARD to get good employees around the Holidays! I overheard that ACME is sending W. C. out with the MRT team (Milk Recovery Team) to assist the locals with this incident. Their advance man, R. "Speedy" R. should be there already and apparently Mr. Bill is on the scene already as someone overheard a "OH NO!." Accidents like this really curdle him! The OES team was taking down their portable satellite that's been out in my office's parking lot (we are next to the Municipal auditorium, which was used as their operations center), so I guess they're on their way to you now. Watch out for a red truck that's been in MY parking space the past few days, it left with them. Probably some undercover investigator, as the OES guys staffing the dish claimed they didn't know who's it was. Good luck with this, hope the ballpark has plenty of that orange mesh safety fencing, think you're going to need it--also safe soil to fill the divot too. S' David D.SAVE THE DELTA QUEEN! www.save-the-delta-queen.org Help save this American Icon, it IS up to you! Write congress to support H. R. 3852 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49480	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: DCC Decoder Action Car

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/2c8d?b=106 On a serious note, I have a picture for you of a action lumber car converted over to DCC. All the action cars that I had converted by Steve at S'-n-S' Trains work great. Well worth the money to do for a lifetime of enjoyment. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49481	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Milk Can Disaster

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=90&m=t&o=0 Pictures of the Milk Can Disaster. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49482	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Great Day at Last!!

The last section of track was finally ballasted this evening, even with the investigation of the flying milk barrel into S Helper Field. And I had a handful of mixed ballast when this was done, left! I have several bags of dark gray left, but I ordered some bags of light gray to keep on hand for the track gang to use in future repairs to the line. Some think it was some Lionel people trying to cause trouble for the last part of ballasting with the flying milk barrel. No confirm reports on this. This is 15 years in the making. Now, the fun part of wiring the uncouplers and accessories. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49483	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tragedy at S Helper Field Part 2

Forget to tell that when Mr. Marx asked the milk car employee to stop, the employee promptly shut the door of the box car. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S Trains > ; Toy Trains ; steve Conard ; Jeff Snell ; Ralph Loveless ; Cookie Flannery Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: Tragedy at S Helper Field Part 2 Tragedy had occurred once again at S Helper Field. Thankfully, no game was being played nor any work was being done at the time at S Helper Field, so there where no injuries. After testing the AC Gilbert Company Dairy Action Box car, it was time to take a run with a fresh load of milk from a nearby town, since the dairy operation at the D&K RR town is not in place. The train pulled in behind the Branford Diner, soon to be renamed the D&K RR Diner, and proceeded to deliver it's load of fresh milk in small barrels. When the AC Gilbert Milk Co. employee started to unload the barrels, he pushed too hard on one and it went flying over the loading dock with fence and it went off like a bomb and sailed into right field at S Helper Field. Again, to calm all of those who might have friends or relatives on the ballteam or in the town, no one was injured. Mr. Marx Military Police man arrived to question the AC Gilbert Milk Employee, who name is being withheld at this time. As last we saw, Mr. Max had one of hands up in a (please) stop position to the employee who was delivering the milk canister. But we want to know if the milk canister that landed on S Helper Field was either whole milk, 2% or fat free milk. Pictures and more details to follow later. Mike Marmer reporting live at the scene. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49484	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Great Day at Last!!

Sadly, the last uncoupler is a tad off where it should be. So, I will have to rip the siding up to cut out two ties. I think the track gang that surveyed the area had too much milk that day. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; S Trains > ; steve Conard ; Ralph Loveless ; Jeff Snell ; Cookie Flannery Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Great Day at Last!! The last section of track was finally ballasted this evening, even with the investigation of the flying milk barrel into S Helper Field. And I had a handful of mixed ballast when this was done, left! I have several bags of dark gray left, but I ordered some bags of light gray to keep on hand for the track gang to use in future repairs to the line. Some think it was some Lionel people trying to cause trouble for the last part of ballasting with the flying milk barrel. No confirm reports on this. This is 15 years in the making. Now, the fun part of wiring the uncouplers and accessories. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49485	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Milk Can Distance Picture

I wish I knew how to draw a projection line for the flight of the milk can from the box car to the out field on the milk can distance picture. Kind of reminds me of the baseball card that Topps did for a long home run hit by Mickey Mantle 0n April 17,1953 at Griffith Stadium at 565 feet off of Chuck Stubbs. Rumors has it that the AC Gilbert employee hit the barrel with a bat. He will be given a long term high dollar contract to play baseball with the D&R RR baseball team. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49486	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Big L vol 2 Catalog online

Hi all, The vol. 2 catalog is online. Only thing I noticed is that the Big Boy is now upgraded to "Legacy System" Now I don't keep up on all this stuff, so I don't know exactly what this means except more complications to repair down the line! Also now has wireless connections between tender and engine. Still showing the concept model pic, so I guess we'll just have to wait to see what this puppy will really look like! http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogUID=284C0744-CF89-3125-D7939305D8DE0D48 Oh, the AF track is now with the other AF stuff. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49487	From: roy inman	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Big L vol 2 Catalog online

Lionel already said that the original BB issue would be teatherless. This was not in the catalog listing but via email. The Legacy is an interesting upgrade... Roy Inman From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:04:15 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Big L vol 2 Catalog online Hi all, The vol. 2 catalog is online. Only thing I noticed is that the Big Boy is now upgraded to "Legacy System" Now I don't keep up on all this stuff, so I don't know exactly what this means except more complications to repair down the line! Also now has wireless connections between tender and engine. Still showing the concept model pic, so I guess we'll just have to wait to see what this puppy will really look like! http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogUID=284C0744-CF89 -3125-D7939305D8DE0D48 Oh, the AF track is now with the other AF stuff. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49488	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Milk Can Distance Picture

Mike, Be careful of the salary cap. Larry Moore To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; steve.conard@...; ralcor888@...; cookster1030@...; jsnell5990@...: mlmarmer@...: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:58:33 -0400Subject: [S-Trains] Milk Can Distance Picture I wish I knew how to draw a projection line for the flight of the milk can from the box car to the out field on the milk can distance picture.Kind of reminds me of the baseball card that Topps did for a long home run hit by Mickey Mantle 0n April 17,1953 at Griffith Stadium at 565 feet off of Chuck Stubbs.Rumors has it that the AC Gilbert employee hit the barrel with a bat.He will be given a long term high dollar contract to play baseball with the D&R RR baseball team.Mike Marmer[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49489	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: AM Streamline coach and 2 SHS freight cars for sale, PBLs D&RGRR Sar

Group, I am selling the following: 1 AM Southern Pacific 85ft streamline coach ("Daylight") red and orange paint NEW in OB, unassemble Price: $65, hard to find and no longer listed by AM 1 NYC double sheathed XM box car SHS, dark red, catalogue #00548, car # 234781, lightly used, EXCELLENT condition in OB, sold out long ago by SHS Price: $40 1 Wabash panel side hopper (2-bay) SHS Catalogue #00999, car # 34174black, lightly used, EXCELLENT condition in OB, single car sold out long ago by SHS Price: $40 1 PBL D&RGW RR Sargents (Co) Depot Kit, unbuilt, instructions and parts complete, do not have original box but instructions have pictures etc. Price: $ 40 Please respond to me offlne. Prices do NOT include postage which I must research depending upon destination. Thanks, Jack Riely Lake St Louis, MO Member NASG AFSGSLA B&ORRHS jnr59@... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49490	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Progress Rpt: S ga Auto. Switching Block

SUBJECT: Progress Report, S Gauge Automatic Switching Block Drawings & photos at http://track2.com/info/208 Note you can click on an image on the above web page, and it will open larger. COMMENTS: ================= I don't think many on this list are interested in these automatic controls. But if anyone is, the above link takes you to a Google Blog page, containing "Progress Report 208" describing our efforts to date. The above-referenced web page describes an S gauge "Automatic Switching Block", which will control 3 trains on 1 loop of track. It uses reed switches to activate American Flyer track switches, and a Railroad Concepts "Switching Interface Module" to operate the "block" portion of the control. EARLIER EXPERIMENTS: ================= You may have already watched the YouTube Steam Up video SSG#1 (with the railroad background music) that shows the temporary "Steam Up" layout assembled by Dennis Oberholtzer and Mark Anderman back in April 2007. It shows 3 AF trains being operated on the same track, using 3 blocks, and using American Flyer track switches and American Flyer pressure-sensitive track trips. REED SWITCHES: This new "Model 208" system is similar to what is shown in the video. But it uses 40-amp rated automotive relays controlled by reed switches activated by magnets, instead of the pressure-sensitive track trips shown in the video. In May 2008 Mark Anderman put together a demonstration unit using these automotive relays. There's a photo of it on the web page, plus his wiring diagram. Two Flyer switches "suck up" about 6 amps we guesstimate (using the numbers given in Michael Greene's DCC document), so the use of a higher-amperage relay is necessary. TWO BLOCKS: Also, this new control uses just 2 blocks (using the 2 sidings as blocks), instead of 3 blocks as seen in the Steam Up video. The logic of this 2-block system is demonstrated in the AutoControls YouTube Video #1 "How It Works", showing a LargeScale Automatic Switching Block in operation. The above-referenced web page has the links for all these videos. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49491	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/27/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49492	From: Jim King	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: New S scale kit available

Here's the latest offering my growing line of S scale standard gauge equipment: The Southern Ry. 41'6" composite gon. Web link is http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/sscalesoucompositegon.html Be sure to click on each image to view the enlarged version to REALLY see the detail. Production starts Monday; dealer shipments will begin Wednesday, so support your favorite shop or, if that's not possible, order direct. Be sure to include $7 shipping for 1-2 kits, $10 for more than 2. Next products coming late August will be the Barber 100-ton roller bearing trucks with rotating end caps and the Southern Ry. waffle side box, built by Pullman-Std. in 1974 >> hundreds are still running all of the country today in various paint schemes. After these offerings will be the much-anticipated "first diesel": the GE 70-tonner in both phases (A and B, according to X2200S magazine). Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49493	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: AM Streamline coach and 2 SHS freight cars for sale, PBLs D&RG..

Its been a number of hours since you posted this so these items are probably gone by now. But if it is still available, I am interested in the SP Daylight coach. - Earl Henry In a message dated 7/26/2008 6:27:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jnr59@... writes: Group, I am selling the following: 1 AM Southern Pacific 85ft streamline coach ("Daylight") red and orange paint NEW in OB, unassemble Price: $65, hard to find and no longer listed by AM 1 NYC double sheathed XM box car SHS, dark red, catalogue #00548, car # 234781, lightly used, EXCELLENT condition in OB, sold out long ago by SHS Price: $40 1 Wabash panel side hopper (2-bay) SHS Catalogue #00999, car # 34174black, lightly used, EXCELLENT condition in OB, single car sold out long ago by SHS Price: $40 1 PBL D&RGW RR Sargents (Co) Depot Kit, unbuilt, instructions and parts complete, do not have original box but instructions have pictures etc. Price: $ 40 Please respond to me offlne. Prices do NOT include postage which I must research depending upon destination. Thanks, Jack Riely Lake St Louis, MO Member NASG AFSGSLA B&ORRHS _jnr59@..._ (mailto:jnr59@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49494	From: mikenguy9	Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: American Flyer ribbon wire replacement

Is available from: Hobby Surplus Sales 289 Main Street P.O.Box 2170 New Britain, CT 06050-2170 rainbow wire four color- R B Y W 4 conductor 22 gauge 50 ft #CHD 224050 100 ft #CHD 224100 1-800-233-0872 www.Hobbysurplus.com (prices in R3 catalog [2005] were $16.49 for 50ft &$32.99 for 100ft)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49495	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Need Ace-like Parts

My S-Friends, I need to find a source for the small brass eyelets that were supplied with the ACE white metal trucks as bushings for the axle ends (or a suitable substitute). I doing a Gnomy train conversion for Christmas and using these bushings, SHS wheel sets are a drop in replacement for the plastic Gnomy wheelsets. I need 50 to 75, possible 100, of these bushings. THNX! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49496	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Milk Can Distance Picture

Larry, The players work for milk. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; steve Conard ; Ralph Loveless ; Cookie Flannery ; Jeff Snell Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Milk Can Distance Picture Mike, Be careful of the salary cap. Larry Moore To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; steve.conard@...; ralcor888@...; cookster1030@...; jsnell5990@...: mlmarmer@...: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:58:33 -0400Subject: [S-Trains] Milk Can Distance Picture I wish I knew how to draw a projection line for the flight of the milk can from the box car to the out field on the milk can distance picture.Kind of reminds me of the baseball card that Topps did for a long home run hit by Mickey Mantle 0n April 17,1953 at Griffith Stadium at 565 feet off of Chuck Stubbs.Rumors has it that the AC Gilbert employee hit the barrel with a bat.He will be given a long term high dollar contract to play baseball with the D&R RR baseball team.Mike Marmer[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49497	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need Ace-like Parts

I thought they were available thru Portlines, Doug Peck. www.portlines.com tel 1-978-465-8798 ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Munsey Jr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Need Ace-like Parts My S-Friends, I need to find a source for the small brass eyelets that were supplied with the ACE white metal trucks as bushings for the axle ends (or a suitable substitute). I doing a Gnomy train conversion for Christmas and using these bushings, SHS wheel sets are a drop in replacement for the plastic Gnomy wheelsets. I need 50 to 75, possible 100, of these bushings. THNX! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49498	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer ribbon wire replacement

Or try sprinkler system wire from Home Depot or other hardware store. --- On Sat, 7/26/08, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer ribbon wire replacement To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 10:48 PM Is available from: Hobby Surplus Sales 289 Main Street P.O.Box 2170 New Britain, CT 06050-2170 rainbow wire four color- R B Y W 4 conductor 22 gauge 50 ft #CHD 224050 100 ft #CHD 224100 1-800-233-0872 www.Hobbysurplus. com (prices in R3 catalog [2005] were $16.49 for 50ft &$32.99 for 100ft) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49499	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need Ace-like Parts

UPDATE I think I bought mine from Joe's Train Repair, 404 Shetland Rd, Rougemont, N C 27572-9338 They are Journal Bushings, Part No was #4050. Sorry no Phone number. If I find more info I will let you know. Check Portlines also. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Munsey Jr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Need Ace-like Parts My S-Friends, I need to find a source for the small brass eyelets that were supplied with the ACE white metal trucks as bushings for the axle ends (or a suitable substitute). I doing a Gnomy train conversion for Christmas and using these bushings, SHS wheel sets are a drop in replacement for the plastic Gnomy wheelsets. I need 50 to 75, possible 100, of these bushings. THNX! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49500	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need Ace-like Parts

LAST UPDATE Found a phone number by checking GOOGLE Phone is 919-471-2613 Al ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Munsey Jr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Need Ace-like Parts My S-Friends, I need to find a source for the small brass eyelets that were supplied with the ACE white metal trucks as bushings for the axle ends (or a suitable substitute). I doing a Gnomy train conversion for Christmas and using these bushings, SHS wheel sets are a drop in replacement for the plastic Gnomy wheelsets. I need 50 to 75, possible 100, of these bushings. THNX! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49501	From: Scale S Only	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need Ace-like Parts

Check with your local craft store. Eyelets are also used in some flying model applications, so don't be afraid to darken thedoor of local flying shop ;-) Have fun! Bill Winans I need to find a source for the small brass eyelets Don Munsey, Jr

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49502	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Need Ace-like Parts

THNX, I'll check that out. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Paolozzi To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need Ace-like Parts I thought they were available thru Portlines, Doug Peck. www.portlines.com tel 1-978-465-8798 ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Munsey Jr. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Need Ace-like Parts My S-Friends, I need to find a source for the small brass eyelets that were supplied with the ACE white metal trucks as bushings for the axle ends (or a suitable substitute). I doing a Gnomy train conversion for Christmas and using these bushings, SHS wheel sets are a drop in replacement for the plastic Gnomy wheelsets. I need 50 to 75, possible 100, of these bushings. THNX! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49503	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/27/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 27, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49504	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: B&O Wagtontop?

Hello Jim, Any chance the B&O wagontop might be coming out soon as part of this new effort? As best I can tell, S scale hasn't had one since the Lehigh Valley models kit so a new offering might be well-received among S-scale domers. Please keep up the good work! It's great to hear about so many new products in our favorite scale. Regards. Paul Schilling **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49505	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: 27 July 2008: 2008 NASG Convention Last Minute Updates

27 July 2008 - NASG 2008 National Convention Update To: All interested parties From: NASG 2008 National Convention Committee We're just nine days away from the opening of the 2008 NASG National Convention in Lowell, MA. Finishing touches are being put on the convention and the Bristol S Gauge Railroaders are getting ready to welcome attendees to Lowell. The Convention Committee is meeting at the hotel tomorrow morning to ensure final arrangements at the hotel are in order. A few highlights: - Registration is approaching 400! If you have not registered yet, you can register on site! Convention check-in if you have already pre-registered and on-site registration will be conveniently located adjacent to the hotel registration desk right as you walk into the hotel. And we'll have very convenient hours -- we'll even be open early in the mornings -- one hour before the tours leave on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday -- in case you arrive really late the night before. - ALL Tours are running -- we anticipate no cancellations! There are seats still available on the Friday Special Excursion to the Lakes Region of NH over the Hobo & Winnipesaukee Scenic Railroads and including a private tour of the Flying Yankee, currently undergoing restoration to operation. Many of our other tours are either full or close to it -- if there is a tour you're interested in and are not yet registered for it, be sure to ask at the Registration Desk when you check in if tickets are available. Rumor is there may be a few tickets on some tours still available on site... - Are you on the Mt. Washington Cog Railway tour? If so bring a jacket! It can be cold up on the top of Mt. Washington even in the summer... - Both Dealer Halls are full / sold out -- see the complete list on our web site - Please join us in celebrating the Bristol S Gauge Railroaders' 60th Anniversary at a reception on Wednesday evening from 8:30pm-10:30pm in the main lobby area. All full convention registrants including spouses and children are invited! And while you're at the reception don't forget to stop by the Moxie tasting station! - AUCTIONS! AUCTIONS! -- Don't forget to bring your items for the auctions -- the Live Auction will be right after the banquet with the world renown Jamie Bothwell as our Auctioneer! And the 2008 NASG Convention will also feature a Silent Auction open during Dealer Hall hours -- so don't forget those items (?treasures) that you'd like to allow someone to carry home... - Model Contest -- Just a reminder to bring your entries for the Model Contest and the Model Photo Contest -- full details and entry forms are on our web site, and entry forms will also be available at the convention. - Door Prizes and a raffle featuring several nice products (including some brass items donated by River Raisin Models and Olde Southwind Models!) -- need we say more? - Are you a Lenz DCC system user? If so have we (actually they) got a special deal for you! Bring your Lenz LH100s, LH90, and LZV100s to Convention with you and get them upgraded to their new V3.6 software FREE OF CHARGE! Drop them off at the Lenz table in the Dealer hall Thursday or Friday and pick them up the next day ready to go. Take them back home with you with all the new features they have packed into V3.6 ... - Local Tips: see our special convention planning newsletter for numerous restaurant suggestions that you may wish to sample while in town, or check-in on site with a Merrimack Valley Convention & Visitor's Bureau Ambassador who will be staffing a table right near Convention Registration to answer your questions about the local area, help with restaurant selections, etc. And our convention web site has much more information on both local attractions as well as regional attractions you might enjoy enroute if you are driving to convention. - The 2008 Lowell Art Walk is underway -- ask at the Merrimack Convention & Visitor's Bureau table near Convention registration. - Don't miss The Lowell Quilt Festival, the annual city-wide spectacular celebration of quilts, offers a visual feast of color and creativity to visitors of Lowell, Massachusetts! From small to large, traditional to contemporary, hand-work to machine-work, simple to spectacular, the Lowell Quilt Festival quilts are a must-see for all who enjoy and appreciate the work of highly talented and expert artisans. This year's festival will be held August 7-10, 2008 and will feature: * The juried Images quilt show, featuring over 300 quilts, with cash prizes in several categories. * An exhibit of antique quilts curated by renowned collector Gerald Roy * Three additional specially selected exhibits for the festival. * Exhibits of youth quilts and community quilts * Classes and lectures by nationally acclaimed teachers. * Auctions of quilts and quilt-related items. * Quilt appraisals * Over 40 vendors of quilting supplies from New England and beyond. Of course you can get more information here: 2008 NASG Convention Planning Special Issue Newsletter http://www.nasg2008.com/june3news And our web site at http://www.nasg2008.com We are all looking forward to seeing you in Lowell next week for 2008 National Convention! Safe Travels! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Promotions NASG 2008 National Convention, Aug 5-10, 2008, Lowell, MA National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg2008.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49506	From: Iron Horse	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Train shows in NH?

I can help to some degree. Your question needs to be more specific. "S" gauge only ? Merchants ? a few. Clubs In "S" ? Bristol "S" club has members in NH. There are non S clubs. Other things ? > >Hi All, > >Does anyone know of any shows up here in NH? How about any >merchants, clubs, or other things I might find interesting? > >Thanks, Dave W. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >------------------------------------ > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49507	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Decals, anyone?

Okay, gang, the Dremel tool has been buzzing nastily along again, and I'm closing in on having enough parts to put another old loco back on the rails! Problem: Decals! Not dry transfers, real, water slide decals. I've checked the regular suspects, but they don't seem to have what I need. I'm looking for plain old white road name decals for tenders, like the words Pennsylvania, New York Central, Baltimore & Ohio, and matching number sets. I found some words from LBR, but they only come with a black background, not clear. I can find them in HO and O, but not in S. Who makes them which I don't know about, or have overlooked? Stumpy Stone...Appalachian Flyer...Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49508	From: Gale Hall	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Decals, anyone?

Terry, Try this for Milepost 169 and the Enhorning decals www.trainweb.org/PPSSW/milepost%20169.html, then click on Enhorning decals and go thru the list to the roadnames you are looking at...there are several steam sets available I believe still $2 a set.. Gale Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Decals, anyone? Okay, gang, the Dremel tool has been buzzing nastily along again, and I'm closing in on having enough parts to put another old loco back on the rails! Problem: Decals! Not dry transfers, real, water slide decals. I've checked the regular suspects, but they don't seem to have what I need. I'm looking for plain old white road name decals for tenders, like the words Pennsylvania, New York Central, Baltimore & Ohio, and matching number sets. I found some words from LBR, but they only come with a black background, not clear. I can find them in HO and O, but not in S. Who makes them which I don't know about, or have overlooked? Stumpy Stone...Appalachian Flyer...Martins Ferry, Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49509	From: D. Winslow	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Train shows in NH?

Iron Horse wrote: > I can help to some degree. Your question needs to be more specific. > > "S" gauge only ? My layout will be S, so that is my primary interest, but all trains are fun and I would enjoy any show or flee market. > Merchants ? a few. I need my layout components, track, turnouts, etc., and want to look at samples and talk to people about options etc., so a show or store with people anxious to talk to a novice would be particularly appropriate. > Clubs In "S" ? Bristol "S" club has members in NH. There are non S clubs. > Other things ? I don't think I want to join a club at this point, have too little to offer, but later maybe. Thanks, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49510	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Decals, anyone?

Hi Stumpy, In my recent posting for custom decals I acquired the below list of four suppliers: Stan Cedarleaf 11176 E Western Sunset Dr Dewey, AZ 86327-5632 H 928 778-3732 C 520 831-3390 Cedarleaf Custom Decals - Jim Wilhite E-mail Address jwilhite@... Just tell him David Cooke of Classic Trains Plus AZ www.classictrainsplus.com recommended you. Paul Sause. e-mail him at:psause@.... C-D-S Lettering Ltd., P.O. Box 65074 Napean, Ontario Canada K2G 5Y3 Fax: (613) 226-5747 E-mail: cds_lettering_ltd@... I sent Stan Cedarleaf a MS Word file of what I wanted and he supplied me with good decals white & gold on clear at a resonable price. I had a whole page full of several road names of what I wanted. I ended up with enough decals for many locos. I recommend that you figure out just what you want in terms of font, size of lettering, and color. I can recommend Stan, but others recommended the other suppliers above so take your pick. I can help you generate the Word file if needed. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Okay, gang, the Dremel tool has been buzzing nastily along again, and > I'm closing in on having enough parts to put another old loco back on > the rails! > Problem: Decals! Not dry transfers, real, water slide decals. I've > checked the regular suspects, but they don't seem to have what I need. > I'm looking for plain old white road name decals for tenders, like the > words Pennsylvania, New York Central, Baltimore & Ohio, and matching > number sets. I found some words from LBR, but they only come with a > black background, not clear. > I can find them in HO and O, but not in S. Who makes them which I > don't know about, or have overlooked? > Stumpy Stone...Appalachian Flyer...Martins Ferry, Ahia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49511	From: rwferr1	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Decals, anyone?

This link didn't work for me. Capitalize "milepost" and you got her. Ron Ferrel --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> wrote: > > Terry, > > Try this for Milepost 169 and the Enhorning decals > > www.trainweb.org/PPSSW/milepost%20169.html, > > then click on Enhorning decals and go thru the list to the roadnames you are looking at...there are several steam sets available I believe still $2 a set.. > > Gale Hall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stumpy Stone > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:28 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Decals, anyone? > > > Okay, gang, the Dremel tool has been buzzing nastily along again, and > I'm closing in on having enough parts to put another old loco back on > the rails! > Problem: Decals! Not dry transfers, real, water slide decals. I've > checked the regular suspects, but they don't seem to have what I need. > I'm looking for plain old white road name decals for tenders, like the > words Pennsylvania, New York Central, Baltimore & Ohio, and matching > number sets. I found some words from LBR, but they only come with a > black background, not clear. > I can find them in HO and O, but not in S. Who makes them which I > don't know about, or have overlooked? > Stumpy Stone...Appalachian Flyer...Martins Ferry, Ahia. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49512	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Decals, anyone?

TRY... http://www.trainweb.org/PPSSW/Milepost%20169.html --- On Mon, 7/28/08, rwferr1 <rwferr@...> wrote: From: rwferr1 <rwferr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Decals, anyone? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 12:05 PM This link didn't work for me. Capitalize "milepost" and you got her. Ron Ferrel --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Gale Hall" <frisco91@.. .> wrote: > > Terry, > > Try this for Milepost 169 and the Enhorning decals > > www.trainweb. org/PPSSW/ milepost% 20169.html, > > then click on Enhorning decals and go thru the list to the roadnames you are looking at...there are several steam sets available I believe still $2 a set.. > > Gale Hall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stumpy Stone > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:28 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Decals, anyone? > > > Okay, gang, the Dremel tool has been buzzing nastily along again, and > I'm closing in on having enough parts to put another old loco back on > the rails! > Problem: Decals! Not dry transfers, real, water slide decals. I've > checked the regular suspects, but they don't seem to have what I need. > I'm looking for plain old white road name decals for tenders, like the > words Pennsylvania, New York Central, Baltimore & Ohio, and matching > number sets. I found some words from LBR, but they only come with a > black background, not clear. > I can find them in HO and O, but not in S. Who makes them which I > don't know about, or have overlooked? > Stumpy Stone...Appalachian Flyer...Martins Ferry, Ahia. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49513	From: David	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Steam Generator Whistle

I have never heard what a Steam Generator Whistle sounds like. I've been told that it's not a steam whistle sound but more like a diesel horn. Can someone tell me if there is a sound clip out on the web that has this sound. I have taken apart a generator tube and adjusted the points. I get a noise now but I have nothing to compare it to. The sounds it's making sounds something like a sick sheep.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49514	From: George Cohn	Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle

David wrote: > > > I have never heard what a Steam Generator Whistle sounds like. I've > been told that it's not a steam whistle sound but more like a diesel horn. > Can someone tell me if there is a sound clip out on the web that has > this sound. I have taken apart a generator tube and adjusted the > points. I get a noise now but I have nothing to compare it to. The > sounds it's making sounds something like a sick sheep. If I'm not mistaken, the "sound generator tubes" used by gilbert were nothing more than the vibrators used in the power supplies of early automobile tube radios. Since vacuum tubes required several hundred volts on the plate, the radios used the vibrator to create a alternating field on the primary of a step up transformer. I seem to recall that the frequency was somewhere around 400 cycles so basically what your steam whistle would sound like is about a 400 cycle tone with a lot of square wave harmonics. Of course the frequency depends on a lot of mechanical stuff like the weight of the vibrating armature, how the points are adjusted, etc. Bit of trivia, I used to test old vacuum tube car radios by powering them with my train transformer! Don't try that with a modern solid state radio or you will destroy it in a second. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49515	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle

David, your right about what they sound like. A sick sheep that about it. Clayton S. D. --- On Mon, 7/28/08, David <afironhorse@...> wrote: > From: David <afironhorse@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Steam Generator Whistle > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 7:02 PM > I have never heard what a Steam Generator Whistle sounds > like. I've > been told that it's not a steam whistle sound but more > like a diesel horn. > Can someone tell me if there is a sound clip out on the web > that has > this sound. I have taken apart a generator tube and > adjusted the > points. I get a noise now but I have nothing to compare it > to. The > sounds it's making sounds something like a sick sheep.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49516	From: lember2004	Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle: How about the 710 whistle with the slid

Does the 710 "Steam Whistle Control" - the one with the slide arm - sound any better? Does it use a different generator/vibrator? Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <afironhorse@...> wrote: > > I have never heard what a Steam Generator Whistle sounds like. I've > been told that it's not a steam whistle sound but more like a diesel horn. > Can someone tell me if there is a sound clip out on the web that has > this sound. I have taken apart a generator tube and adjusted the > points. I get a noise now but I have nothing to compare it to. The > sounds it's making sounds something like a sick sheep. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49517	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Log Loader

I am thinking of adding a log loader to my layout. I am wondering if anyone has any opinion to whether the MTH for 181 to 199 or the Lionel for 126 are fine either way. I am wondering why MTH is about 70 more. Quality? Thanks for any help. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49518	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle

I actually like the sound that they make. LOL Oh well. Yes, they have two piece of metal inside, vibrating back and forth. If they ever stop working, the sound, take a xacto knife to carefully cut the tube open at the bottom. Then you clean the metal pieces that vibrate with a cloth. Just a simple wipe is all it needs. Test. Sound will be different with the tube cover off. Then reglue the tube back on to the bottom. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Steam Generator Whistle David, your right about what they sound like. A sick sheep that about it. Clayton S. D. --- On Mon, 7/28/08, David <afironhorse@...> wrote: > From: David <afironhorse@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Steam Generator Whistle > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 7:02 PM > I have never heard what a Steam Generator Whistle sounds > like. I've > been told that it's not a steam whistle sound but more > like a diesel horn. > Can someone tell me if there is a sound clip out on the web > that has > this sound. I have taken apart a generator tube and > adjusted the > points. I get a noise now but I have nothing to compare it > to. The > sounds it's making sounds something like a sick sheep. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49519	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Layout Update.

I have begun the wiring for the uncouplers. Thanks to all who gave me advice on how to do this, as it is very easy, making the "BUS" for each main wire. But, I will have to redo some of the track work on the sidings, as the uncouplers are a tie or two off for hitting both cars. I should have the wiring done by tonight or tomorrow. Then I will re do the track. Then the accessories. No mishaps with anything to report at this time. I got the milk car platform adjusted to catch the barrels. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49520	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Log Loader

I can't speak to the Lionel, but I've been very happy with my MTH. I got it on ebay for $110. --- On Tue, 7/29/08, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Log Loader > To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:13 PM > I am thinking of adding a log loader to my layout. > > I am wondering if anyone has any opinion to whether the MTH > for 181 to 199 or the Lionel for 126 are fine either way. > > I am wondering why MTH is about 70 more. > > Quality? > > Thanks for any help. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49521	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle: How about the 710 whistle with the slid

I have three of the 710 steam whistles, and I like them. the best is the 314 AW if you can get your hands on one. Clayton S. D. --- On Tue, 7/29/08, lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: > From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Steam Generator Whistle: How about the 710 whistle with the slide arm? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:26 PM > Does the 710 "Steam Whistle Control" - the one > with the slide arm - > sound any better? Does it use a different > generator/vibrator? > Mark > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" > <afironhorse@...> wrote: > > > > I have never heard what a Steam Generator Whistle > sounds like. I've > > been told that it's not a steam whistle sound but > more like a diesel > horn. > > Can someone tell me if there is a sound clip out on > the web that has > > this sound. I have taken apart a generator tube and > adjusted the > > points. I get a noise now but I have nothing to > compare it to. The > > sounds it's making sounds something like a sick > sheep. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49522	From: lember2004	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: help curing link couplers that stick in the up position

I have run into several link couplers that stick in the up position when being coupled, rather than dropping back down to mate with the pin on the adjacant car. [They are black-weighted couplers.] I'm sure there is a well known solution, but I could not locate it in the archives, in S-Trains FAQ nor in Port Lines On-Line Repair Clinic. Any guidance will be much appreciated. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49523	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Log Loader

Thanks Bob. Since this has been out for awhile and I need one, I think I better order one for 189. Hey, when you need it, you need it. Did it come with a AF type of button, as Lionel does not do that. So that would be a savings of 15 for a repro. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Log Loader I can't speak to the Lionel, but I've been very happy with my MTH. I got it on ebay for $110. --- On Tue, 7/29/08, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Log Loader > To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:13 PM > I am thinking of adding a log loader to my layout. > > I am wondering if anyone has any opinion to whether the MTH > for 181 to 199 or the Lionel for 126 are fine either way. > > I am wondering why MTH is about 70 more. > > Quality? > > Thanks for any help. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49524	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Decals anyone?

Thanks for the update folks, I'm adding all the contacts to my notebook. Hopefully I can get an order off soon, my Pennsy 310 is nearing the stage that I'll have enough parts to paint and assemble it. Stumpy.....Appalachian Flyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49525	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Fw: Brass Bushings

THNX to all who responded to my quest for ACE bushings. Joe's Train Repair has them - here is Joe's e-mail. THNX, Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42, Hn42 and LEGO Radio controlled train operator River Logging fan Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haenn" <joestrainrepair@...> To: <dmunseyjr@...> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: Brass Bushings Don, I carry these and they are in stock. JTR-233a (20 bushings for $1.00) and JTR-233b (100 bushings for $3.00). Add $1.50 for a padded envelope. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49526	From: Scottish Shop	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Protecting Paint

I have managed to remove the paint from my 1950 PA Alco by soaking it in laundry detergent. My plan to repaint it is proceeding nicely. I have another 1950 Santa Fe PA Alco in much better condition with most of its paint intact. However some of the paint is beginning to oxidize, particularly the red. Is there anything I can do to prevent the paint from deteriorating further and preserve what is left? Regards, John Harvey -- Kind Regards, John Harvey Brigadier Scottish Shop PO Box 181 BEECHWORTH VIC 3747 Australia scottishshop@... www.brigadier.com.au

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49527	From: roy inman	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: FW: Alton elevator-Maybe in S

HI all; There is really neat old grain elevator prototype in Alton, KS that is being kitted by American Model Builders. Right now, it is in HO and N. But as you see from the reply, if enough of us (don't know how many that means...) request the kit, it could happen. See the Alton grain elevator at: www.laserkit.com And, if you feel so inclined, let AMB know. Roy Inman ---------- From: "American Model Builders, Inc." <laserkit@...> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:16:23 -0700 (PDT) To: roy inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: Alton elevator Hello, Your actually the first to inquire about an S scale kit of the Alton Elevator, but if enough modelers requested it, we would strongly consider producing it in S scale. roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Hi folks; Any plans to issue the Alton elevator as an S scale kit? Roy Inman, in Lenexa, KS, a mere 280 miles to Alton, but would love to see it on my S layout... Regards, American Model Builders, Inc. 8229 Brentwood Industrial Drive St. Louis, MO 63144 314-646-8588 Voice 314-646-8583 Fax www.laserkit.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49528	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Protecting Paint

Greetings John, I have been to New Zealand but never made it to Australia. I am glad to hear that Flyer engines are being restored as far away as Australia. I too repaint Flyer engines and I have had success not only with them, but with plastic models, spraying a clear coat of Future Floor Wax, after painting. I cannot see any reason why you could not spray an existing engine with it also, for preservation and protection. Future is an acrlyic product that dries to a clear and hard finish. If you are air-brushing, spray it as it comes from the bottle and clean-up with ammonia. I will defer, to thoughts from the rest of the group, as to this option. Good luck, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: scottishshop@...: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:33:29 +1000Subject: [S-Trains] Protecting Paint I have managed to remove the paint from my 1950 PA Alco by soaking it inlaundry detergent. My plan to repaint it is proceeding nicely.I have another 1950 Santa Fe PA Alco in much better condition with mostof its paint intact. However some of the paint is beginning to oxidize,particularly the red. Is there anything I can do to prevent the paintfrom deteriorating further and preserve what is left?Regards,John Harvey-- Kind Regards,John HarveyBrigadier Scottish ShopPO Box 181BEECHWORTH VIC 3747Australiascottishshop@... _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49529	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: help curing link couplers that stick in the up position

The recommended fix is to use some dishwhasing detergent and work the couplers up and down until they free up. Once they're free let them dry out thoroughly. Do NOT apply any oil, wd40 or anything else- keep them dry. Somewhere in the process if you think one has a real mechanical bind try tweaking it to eliminate it. My experience is the detergent and drying have worked for virtually everything I invested the time into. One exception- make sure pins and truck extensions that hold couplers are straight and not deformed. Pins should be parallel across rail tops to tops. Coupler centers should cause the coupler to hang a hair downhill before coupling., adjust this by bending coupler mounting arms on trucks. Another step I take is to trim the hook so it has a rake of 5-10 deg. Thus, cars can't uncouple without removing closer together. BTW, if you cant get them free enough or don't want to invest the time there is a lock you can use. A thin piece of about .040" stock with holes drilled to accept the coupler pins. These are good for passenger trains or anything you want to keep coupled as a unit. Some of the parts dealers should have these. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lember2004 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:17 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] help curing link couplers that stick in the up position I have run into several link couplers that stick in the up position when being coupled, rather than dropping back down to mate with the pin on the adjacant car. [They are black-weighted couplers.] I'm sure there is a well known solution, but I could not locate it in the archives, in S-Trains FAQ nor in Port Lines On-Line Repair Clinic. Any guidance will be much appreciated. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49530	From: Trains	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle: How about the 710 whistle with the slid

Hi, I am curious how far away is Clayton, SD from Sioux Falls ? Are you a resident of SD? .... I am an S gauger looking into SE corner of SD as a possible retirement area. meets many of my requirements...also availability of affordable housing and VA. Would you be interested in chatting, I would like to call you and talk about the area, etc. Any other S gaugers in the area, and other RR related activity? Thanks, Peter Loeb, member NASG, rr4u@......541/471-8819 in S Oregon. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49531	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: MP-54

Hi Does anyone have any information on converting a heavy weight coach to an MP-54 type MU motor car ? Thanks Al ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m5bisnMduQaH8nD4PuCPXwVplSq8g6K4FfsglSZ7WXMhQHh/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49532	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Layout Update

All wiring for the 8 uncouplers is done!!!!!! I actually was able to do it, as I never had done something like this before, so to me, this is a major advancement in my knowledge of trains and electricity! Thanks to all who sent emails with help in my question in how to do this. Now, the accessories are next. However, I know have to redo the 4 sidings, as I the uncouplers are not completely align with two cars. I thought I had it right. Oh well, so now the track gang will come in tear up the ballast and move a couple of rails over to the other side of the uncoupler. Oh, on one uncoupler, I had was hooking a wire from the control button to the uncoupler. I had cut the wires and was ready to connect. I got out from under the table to do something else, came back and made the connection. I got out from under the table and went to test the uncoupler. Nothing. I checked all the connections, etc. Nothing. Then looking at the wire I had from the button, I saw another wire hanging down, same color, yellow. It was the wire from the button. I had somehow connected a yellow wire hanging down that was from a accessory!!! Hee Hee, silly me. Now the layout is getting neat, with the ability to uncouple cars. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49533	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Wood Has Arrived!

The MTH Western Maryland Sawmill is now in full operation and cut wood has arrived in the company town of the D&R RR. And of course, the sawmill will be soon renamed the D&R RR Sawmill. The first trial run of uncoupling the train for the gondola to back up to the sawmill, uncouple the car, then recouple the train to the rest of the train. And as the train left, Mr. Sawmill man, a newly hired wood cutter, from the competition across the river, started up the sawmill and cut wood all day long, as a happy employee. Later the train returned to pick up the wood, to deliver it to the ballpark, to finish the outfield wall. This is great! LOL Fun in Action, since I never really had a fully S scale layout before. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49534	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: S-Helper caboose and track for sale

Our club, the San Diego S-Gaugers, had an S-Helper caboose and track donated to be sold as a fundraiser:  Pictures are online at:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_SD-S-Gaugers.html   For reference purposes, I show 2008 Greenberg book values and the price sticker on the box (if any), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer I can't refuse!  Email me at theupstairstrain@... and include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total.  Shipping cost will be actual cost, and I will happily ship items together to minimize shipping costs.  I accept PayPal, personal and bank checks, and money orders.   So, here's what we have:   SHS 00604 Santa Fe Extended-Vision Caboose made in 2001 - 2005.  The wheels show run time, but it is otherwise immaculate, legitimate C-8 Like New.  Greenberg lists it new at $70; box label says $69.95.  Do you think it's worth $63?   SHS 00297 5-inch straight track made in 1999 - 2005.  C-9 Factory New condition.  Greenberg lists it new at $25; box label says $27.95.   SHS 00253 15-inch straight track made in 1998 - 2005.  C-9 Factory New condition.  Greenberg lists it new at $37 for a box of six; this is only five, and I don't have any box.   SHS 00292 24inch radius curved track made in 1999 - 2005.  C-9 Factory New condition.  Greenberg lists it new at $35; box label says $34.95.   SHS 00291 19-inch radius curved track made in 1999 - 2005.  C-9 Factory New condition.  One piece, however, has a contact loose on one end (see below); I have taped it to the underside of the track.  Greenberg lists it new at $27 for a box of six; this is twelve, but I don't have any box.   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49535	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: HAVE FUN!

This has been one Yahoo group where I've never wondered why I joined. The information traded here, the friendship, and the little adventures everyone has is what the hobby is all about. The trains are the price of admission, the friends and BS are the payoff! While there are some expert modelers over on the Scale group, they generally take their hobby too seriously. And while I occassionally get malighned here for kit bashing junk Flyer by a few collectors, this group seems to be more in touch with what hobbies are really all about. Relieving stress, creating a world of your own, having fun. I've knocked at Death's door three times in my 58 years (fortunately, he wasn't home those days, I guess) and that really gets your attention as to what is really important in life. I do what I must, and enjoy all I can. So I want to say thanks to Paul and our other moderators who keep this going. And to Mike and his layout building adventures, and all the other folks who teach us how to make sticky couplers work, or wire up accessories, or the many other details we need to know, thanks to you too! Have fun, everyone! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer/Mad Butcher...lurking in my hiddem hillside lair in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49536	From: Ben Perry	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: HAVE FUN!

Very well said Stumpy. One who has been there too. Ben Perry Drive like A railroad engineer Take it easy When the road's Not clear Burma~Shave -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:28 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] HAVE FUN! This has been one Yahoo group where I've never wondered why I joined. The information traded here, the friendship, and the little adventures everyone has is what the hobby is all about. The trains are the price of admission, the friends and BS are the payoff! While there are some expert modelers over on the Scale group, they generally take their hobby too seriously. And while I occassionally get malighned here for kit bashing junk Flyer by a few collectors, this group seems to be more in touch with what hobbies are really all about. Relieving stress, creating a world of your own, having fun. I've knocked at Death's door three times in my 58 years (fortunately, he wasn't home those days, I guess) and that really gets your attention as to what is really important in life. I do what I must, and enjoy all I can. So I want to say thanks to Paul and our other moderators who keep this going. And to Mike and his layout building adventures, and all the other folks who teach us how to make sticky couplers work, or wire up accessories, or the many other details we need to know, thanks to you too! Have fun, everyone! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer/Mad Butcher...lurking in my hiddem hillside lair in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49537	From: Glenn	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: HAVE FUN!

Hi Stumpy, Will we see you at the NASG convention in Lowell, MA? If so what days? Staying on the Stony Creek branchline, Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 08:28 Subject: [S-Trains] HAVE FUN! This has been one Yahoo group where I've never wondered why I joined. The information traded here, the friendship, and the little adventures everyone has is what the hobby is all about. The trains are the price of admission, the friends and BS are the payoff! While there are some expert modelers over on the Scale group, they generally take their hobby too seriously. And while I occassionally get malighned here for kit bashing junk Flyer by a few collectors, this group seems to be more in touch with what hobbies are really all about. Relieving stress, creating a world of your own, having fun. I've knocked at Death's door three times in my 58 years (fortunately, he wasn't home those days, I guess) and that really gets your attention as to what is really important in life. I do what I must, and enjoy all I can. So I want to say thanks to Paul and our other moderators who keep this going. And to Mike and his layout building adventures, and all the other folks who teach us how to make sticky couplers work, or wire up accessories, or the many other details we need to know, thanks to you too! Have fun, everyone! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer/Mad Butcher...lurking in my hiddem hillside lair in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49538	From: lember2004	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: HAVE FUN!

Perfectly expressed; this group has been a delight to be part of and to look to for info. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > This has been one Yahoo group where I've never wondered why I > joined. The information traded here, the friendship, and the little > adventures everyone has is what the hobby is all about. > The trains are the price of admission, the friends and BS are the > payoff! While there are some expert modelers over on the Scale > group, they generally take their hobby too seriously. And while I > occassionally get malighned here for kit bashing junk Flyer by a few > collectors, this group seems to be more in touch with what hobbies > are really all about. Relieving stress, creating a world of your > own, having fun. > I've knocked at Death's door three times in my 58 years > (fortunately, he wasn't home those days, I guess) and that really > gets your attention as to what is really important in life. I do > what I must, and enjoy all I can. > So I want to say thanks to Paul and our other moderators who keep > this going. And to Mike and his layout building adventures, and all > the other folks who teach us how to make sticky couplers work, or > wire up accessories, or the many other details we need to know, > thanks to you too! > Have fun, everyone! > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer/Mad Butcher...lurking in my > hiddem hillside lair in Appalachia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49539	From: Scale S Only	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: HAVE FUN!

Hi Stumpy -- I happen to be a scale type person, but you hit the nail on the head! Continue to have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ This has been one Yahoo group where I've never wondered why I joined. The information traded here, the friendship, and the little adventures everyone has is what the hobby is all about. The trains are the price of admission, the friends and BS are the payoff! While there are some expert modelers over on the Scale group, they generally take their hobby too seriously. And while I occassionally get malighned here for kit bashing junk Flyer by a few collectors, this group seems to be more in touch with what hobbies are really all about. Relieving stress, creating a world of your own, having fun. I've knocked at Death's door three times in my 58 years (fortunately, he wasn't home those days, I guess) and that really gets your attention as to what is really important in life. I do what I must, and enjoy all I can. So I want to say thanks to Paul and our other moderators who keep this going. And to Mike and his layout building adventures, and all the other folks who teach us how to make sticky couplers work, or wire up accessories, or the many other details we need to know, thanks to you too! Have fun, everyone! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer/Mad Butcher...lurking in my hiddem hillside lair in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49540	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Mikes Wall Display

Hi Mike, I was looking at your layout photos and you have a very nice wall display for your trains. How did you build it? Can you post some close up photos? Thanks, David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49541	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: HAVE FUN!

I agree with everyone that being in this group is FUN!  As with others in our group  I also belongto other groups, and at times you would think a CIVIL TRAIN WAR is going on, I enjoy all the posts and mainly Mike Marmer's journey into building his new layout. And Stumpy you are just a "kid" ole Jer has just about 9 years on you!  Trust we all have many more years to enjoy our trains. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --- On Thu, 7/31/08, lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: HAVE FUN! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 11:05 AM Perfectly expressed; this group has been a delight to be part of and to look to for info. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@.. .> wrote: > > This has been one Yahoo group where I've never wondered why I > joined. The information traded here, the friendship, and the little > adventures everyone has is what the hobby is all about. > The trains are the price of admission, the friends and BS are the > payoff! While there are some expert modelers over on the Scale > group, they generally take their hobby too seriously. And while I > occassionally get malighned here for kit bashing junk Flyer by a few > collectors, this group seems to be more in touch with what hobbies > are really all about. Relieving stress, creating a world of your > own, having fun. > I've knocked at Death's door three times in my 58 years > (fortunately, he wasn't home those days, I guess) and that really > gets your attention as to what is really important in life. I do > what I must, and enjoy all I can. > So I want to say thanks to Paul and our other moderators who keep > this going. And to Mike and his layout building adventures, and all > the other folks who teach us how to make sticky couplers work, or > wire up accessories, or the many other details we need to know, > thanks to you too! > Have fun, everyone! > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer/Mad Butcher...lurking in my > hiddem hillside lair in Appalachia. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49542	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting development

Yesterday, the other shoe dropped for many of us S scale mfg. from our builder in China. We have all been hit with a 10% increase tomorrow and another 10% Jan 1st. This would include Lionel (American Flyer), American Models, S Scale America and ourselves. If you follow the exchange rate and have seen the drop in the dollars vs. the other currencies of the world, this should not be a surprise. Please do not blame the Chinese as our builder has been owned by JP Morgan for the last few years. I am not complaining, just pointing out some of the realities of the market place and how it effects our favorite scale. Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. PS Diesel Tsunami sound decoders arrived yesterday. Today, the cost is the same for our in stock switchers or F7s with Tsunami sound. You cannot believe how different 32 bit sound can be in a diesel.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49543	From: John Degnan	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: HAVE FUN!

To any and all who are under the delusion that us prototype modelers can't possibly be "having fun"... ... guess what... ... I am having a LOT of fun with my prototype modeling, even though, accordingto you, I'm apparently taking it "too seriously" because I'm also LEARNING about the prototype at the same time I model. Like I've always said... there IS a difference between playing with toys and building models. If you take issue with my comments, let it be known that I take issue with yours as well. So... which one of us must go sincne we have both offended the other (and you did so first)? STILL having fun, fun, fun, fun, fun... etc, etc, etc, etc, etc... Live and let live people... but turn about is fair play. John Degnan Scaler164@... People have a right to an opinion, but they don't have a right to be right. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49544	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mikes Wall Display

David, I will get back to you on this tomorrow. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Mikes Wall Display Hi Mike, I was looking at your layout photos and you have a very nice wall display for your trains. How did you build it? Can you post some close up photos? Thanks, David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49545	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer

I did not put up Dr. Joe to write the below, but I consider him to be a good friend. O:)! As I do many others on these list. Why Joseph, even met up with us in Pittsburgh last month to see a train layout. Off to see a baseball game in Frederick a couple of hours. Heck, this is what Linda wanted to do for the anniversary. She is a pro at score keeping. Oh today is also baseball trading deadline, but I would not trade her for anything, even that much needed 1958 21115 engine. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: jlechner2001 To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer On this date in 1982, Linda Wilce said "I do" to Michael Marmer in a small wedding at Trinity United Methodist Church in Salisbury MD. They honeymooned in the Poconos. They had met a year and four months earlier at Chestnut Lodge in Rockville MD. Linda was an intern in the dietician's office; Mike was making a sales call as the representative of a food wholesaler from Baltimore. The date was Monday, March 30, 1981 - the same day and nearly the same hour that John Hinckley, Jr. shot President Ronald Reagan. Their first shared hobby was collecting milk bottles. Linda's father got them started; he was a forester and often found bottles in the woods. They bought their first two bottles on a 1985 trip to Watkins Glen NY to hike the gorge. Mike had HO and American Flyer S gauge as a boy, but his trains had been stored at a friend's house for years. In the late 1980s, Mike and Linda saw a newspaper advertisement for a Greenberg show and decided to attend. Mike bought two mint Flyer sets from Gary Clark for $100 and put them away. Several years later, while on a trip to New Oxford PA looking for milk bottles, they discovered B&E Junction (named for owner Bill and his wife Elly). Bill had a ton of used postwar AF as well as new AF by Lionel. Mike writes, "We bought 3 pieces for $75 and we both got the train bug". A year later, he joined the Train Collectors Association. Other shared interests include bicycling, baseball, and two cats that lived to be 19 and 20 years old. Dink and Kitty have both passed on to the Heaviside Layer, but they lent their names to Mike's model railroad. Mike has an impressive collection of postwar AF, and he is rapidly completing a hi-rail S gauge layout, complete with a 1/64 scale model of a ball park that he has named S Helper Field in honor of his favorite modern-era train manufacturer. A very happy 26th wedding anniversary to Mike and Linda Marmer. Joseph Lechner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49546	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting development

"You cannot believe how different 32 bit sound can be in a diesel." Don - offer an F-unit in the SOO paint scheme that matches your EV caboose and I just might have to find out. [;)] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49547	From: clayton deich	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Generator Whistle: How about the 710 whistle with the slid

Sorry I'm in Oregon. --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Trains <rr4u@...> wrote: > From: Trains <rr4u@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Steam Generator Whistle: How about the 710 whistle with the slide arm? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 10:45 AM > Hi, I am curious how far away is Clayton, SD from Sioux > Falls ? > > Are you a resident of SD? .... I am an S gauger looking > into SE corner of SD as a possible retirement area. meets > many of my requirements...also availability of affordable > housing and VA. > > Would you be interested in chatting, I would like to call > you and talk about the area, etc. > > Any other S gaugers in the area, and other RR related > activity? > > Thanks, Peter Loeb, member NASG, > rr4u@......541/471-8819 in S Oregon. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49548	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: FOR SALE

hi, carboard tressel set, looks like its all there $10, orange tressel sets $10 each also i have a few of them. straight track = $1.50. curves $0.50, 1/2 tracks = $0.50, switches $35 pair. please contact me off list at lglumac@... thanks lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49549	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Ma

Mike - did not know that you needed at 21115?   Gave it away to a guy in Georgia for $ 35.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 4:00 PM I did not put up Dr. Joe to write the below, but I consider him to be a good friend. O:)! As I do many others on these list. Why Joseph, even met up with us in Pittsburgh last month to see a train layout. Off to see a baseball game in Frederick a couple of hours. Heck, this is what Linda wanted to do for the anniversary. She is a pro at score keeping. Oh today is also baseball trading deadline, but I would not trade her for anything, even that much needed 1958 21115 engine. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: jlechner2001 To: toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer On this date in 1982, Linda Wilce said "I do" to Michael Marmer in a small wedding at Trinity United Methodist Church in Salisbury MD. They honeymooned in the Poconos. They had met a year and four months earlier at Chestnut Lodge in Rockville MD. Linda was an intern in the dietician's office; Mike was making a sales call as the representative of a food wholesaler from Baltimore. The date was Monday, March 30, 1981 - the same day and nearly the same hour that John Hinckley, Jr. shot President Ronald Reagan. Their first shared hobby was collecting milk bottles. Linda's father got them started; he was a forester and often found bottles in the woods. They bought their first two bottles on a 1985 trip to Watkins Glen NY to hike the gorge. Mike had HO and American Flyer S gauge as a boy, but his trains had been stored at a friend's house for years. In the late 1980s, Mike and Linda saw a newspaper advertisement for a Greenberg show and decided to attend. Mike bought two mint Flyer sets from Gary Clark for $100 and put them away. Several years later, while on a trip to New Oxford PA looking for milk bottles, they discovered B&E Junction (named for owner Bill and his wife Elly). Bill had a ton of used postwar AF as well as new AF by Lionel. Mike writes, "We bought 3 pieces for $75 and we both got the train bug". A year later, he joined the Train Collectors Association. Other shared interests include bicycling, baseball, and two cats that lived to be 19 and 20 years old. Dink and Kitty have both passed on to the Heaviside Layer, but they lent their names to Mike's model railroad. Mike has an impressive collection of postwar AF, and he is rapidly completing a hi-rail S gauge layout, complete with a 1/64 scale model of a ball park that he has named S Helper Field in honor of his favorite modern-era train manufacturer. A very happy 26th wedding anniversary to Mike and Linda Marmer. Joseph Lechner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49550	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Today In Toytrain history

Well, Mike might have thought he kept this quiet, but this is posted from the "Toytrains" group site--Many Happy wishes for you two, Linda & Mike! Date: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:14 am ((PDT)) On this date in 1982, Linda Wilce said "I do" to Michael Marmer in a small wedding at Trinity United Methodist Church in Salisbury MD. They honeymooned in the Poconos. They had met a year and four months earlier at Chestnut Lodge in Rockville MD. Linda was an intern in the dietician's office; Mike was making a sales call as the representative of a food wholesaler from Baltimore. The date was Monday, March 30, 1981 - the same day and nearly the same hour that John Hinckley, Jr. shot President Ronald Reagan. Their first shared hobby was collecting milk bottles. Linda's father got them started; he was a forester and often found bottles in the woods. They bought their first two bottles on a 1985 trip to Watkins Glen NY to hike the gorge. Mike had HO and American Flyer S gauge as a boy, but his trains had been stored at a friend's house for years. In the late 1980s, Mike and Linda saw a newspaper advertisement for a Greenberg show and decided to attend. Mike bought two mint Flyer sets from Gary Clark for $100 and put them away. Several years later, while on a trip to New Oxford PA looking for milk bottles, they discovered B&E Junction (named for owner Bill and his wife Elly). Bill had a ton of used postwar AF as well as new AF by Lionel. Mike writes, "We bought 3 pieces for $75 and we both got the train bug". A year later, he joined the Train Collectors Association. Other shared interests include bicycling, baseball, and two cats that lived to be 19 and 20 years old. Dink and Kitty have both passed on to the Heaviside Layer, but they lent their names to Mike's model railroad. Mike has an impressive collection of postwar AF, and he is rapidly completing a hi-rail S gauge layout, complete with a 1/64 scale model of a ball park that he has named S Helper Field in honor of his favorite modern-era train manufacturer. A very happy 26th wedding anniversary to Mike and Linda Marmer. Joseph Lechner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49551	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Ma

LOL Sure Jerry Sure. I guess Joseph had nothing else to write about on this day in train history on the TCA list. I also need a 21145. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Matsick To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer Mike - did not know that you needed at 21115? Gave it away to a guy in Georgia for $ 35.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 4:00 PM I did not put up Dr. Joe to write the below, but I consider him to be a good friend. O:)! As I do many others on these list. Why Joseph, even met up with us in Pittsburgh last month to see a train layout. Off to see a baseball game in Frederick a couple of hours. Heck, this is what Linda wanted to do for the anniversary. She is a pro at score keeping. Oh today is also baseball trading deadline, but I would not trade her for anything, even that much needed 1958 21115 engine. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: jlechner2001 To: toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer On this date in 1982, Linda Wilce said "I do" to Michael Marmer in a small wedding at Trinity United Methodist Church in Salisbury MD. They honeymooned in the Poconos. They had met a year and four months earlier at Chestnut Lodge in Rockville MD. Linda was an intern in the dietician's office; Mike was making a sales call as the representative of a food wholesaler from Baltimore. The date was Monday, March 30, 1981 - the same day and nearly the same hour that John Hinckley, Jr. shot President Ronald Reagan. Their first shared hobby was collecting milk bottles. Linda's father got them started; he was a forester and often found bottles in the woods. They bought their first two bottles on a 1985 trip to Watkins Glen NY to hike the gorge. Mike had HO and American Flyer S gauge as a boy, but his trains had been stored at a friend's house for years. In the late 1980s, Mike and Linda saw a newspaper advertisement for a Greenberg show and decided to attend. Mike bought two mint Flyer sets from Gary Clark for $100 and put them away. Several years later, while on a trip to New Oxford PA looking for milk bottles, they discovered B&E Junction (named for owner Bill and his wife Elly). Bill had a ton of used postwar AF as well as new AF by Lionel. Mike writes, "We bought 3 pieces for $75 and we both got the train bug". A year later, he joined the Train Collectors Association. Other shared interests include bicycling, baseball, and two cats that lived to be 19 and 20 years old. Dink and Kitty have both passed on to the Heaviside Layer, but they lent their names to Mike's model railroad. Mike has an impressive collection of postwar AF, and he is rapidly completing a hi-rail S gauge layout, complete with a 1/64 scale model of a ball park that he has named S Helper Field in honor of his favorite modern-era train manufacturer. A very happy 26th wedding anniversary to Mike and Linda Marmer. Joseph Lechner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49552	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Ma

Mike .... 21145....Just sold one in the box and one without the box.... GOT 35.00 each in a yard sale!!! Kept the Boxed set, the hit or miss one.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- LOL Sure Jerry Sure. I guess Joseph had nothing else to write about on this day in train history on the TCA list. I also need a 21145. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Matsick To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer Mike - did not know that you needed at 21115? Gave it away to a guy in Georgia for $ 35.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NMRA --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 4:00 PM I did not put up Dr. Joe to write the below, but I consider him to be a good friend. O:)! As I do many others on these list. Why Joseph, even met up with us in Pittsburgh last month to see a train layout. Off to see a baseball game in Frederick a couple of hours. Heck, this is what Linda wanted to do for the anniversary. She is a pro at score keeping. Oh today is also baseball trading deadline, but I would not trade her for anything, even that much needed 1958 21115 engine. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: jlechner2001 To: toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer On this date in 1982, Linda Wilce said "I do" to Michael Marmer in a small wedding at Trinity United Methodist Church in Salisbury MD. They honeymooned in the Poconos. They had met a year and four months earlier at Chestnut Lodge in Rockville MD. Linda was an intern in the dietician's office; Mike was making a sales call as the representative of a food wholesaler from Baltimore. The date was Monday, March 30, 1981 - the same day and nearly the same hour that John Hinckley, Jr. shot President Ronald Reagan. Their first shared hobby was collecting milk bottles. Linda's father got them started; he was a forester and often found bottles in the woods. They bought their first two bottles on a 1985 trip to Watkins Glen NY to hike the gorge. Mike had HO and American Flyer S gauge as a boy, but his trains had been stored at a friend's house for years. In the late 1980s, Mike and Linda saw a newspaper advertisement for a Greenberg show and decided to attend. Mike bought two mint Flyer sets from Gary Clark for $100 and put them away. Several years later, while on a trip to New Oxford PA looking for milk bottles, they discovered B&E Junction (named for owner Bill and his wife Elly). Bill had a ton of used postwar AF as well as new AF by Lionel. Mike writes, "We bought 3 pieces for $75 and we both got the train bug". A year later, he joined the Train Collectors Association. Other shared interests include bicycling, baseball, and two cats that lived to be 19 and 20 years old. Dink and Kitty have both passed on to the Heaviside Layer, but they lent their names to Mike's model railroad. Mike has an impressive collection of postwar AF, and he is rapidly completing a hi-rail S gauge layout, complete with a 1/64 scale model of a ball park that he has named S Helper Field in honor of his favorite modern-era train manufacturer. A very happy 26th wedding anniversary to Mike and Linda Marmer. Joseph Lechner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49553	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Have Fun!

Point well taken, John. I speak only for myself as a former scale modeler of many years who has tired of dealing with the restraints of "scale" and the attitudes of many of it's practitioners. That there are others on the S Train group who share my feelings is beyond my control. There is nothing wrong with wanting to know the prototype better, I encourage it! I have been studying it even since my Dad and I went down to the B&O in Zanesville, Ohio on Saturdays to ride on the steam switcher as it worked the yard. I count among friends an Amtrak Conductor, two CSX Engineers, two NS Engineers and a Conductor who keep me up on the latest, even though my interest is the Steam to Diesel Transition Era of my youth. If you're having fun with the hobby, that's great! More power to you if you're enjoying the hobby because that is what hobbies are all about! I did not mean to offend, it's just that I no longer find exact scale fidelity in a one/oneth scale world to be for me. After my life threatening medical adventures, my outlook changed. Life is too short to waste any of it on pursuits that don't interest you, or people who look down on you. Have fun when you can! Stumpy Stone...properly chastised and lurking in my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49554	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mike, Ya Just missed 'em!

OK Bob & Jerry, Not fair dangling such goodies in front of Mike on his Anniversary! BTW Mike, I DO have a 21145, and the set & a beat up box that goes with it (in fact, my set is mentioned in the last edition of the Greenberg's Vol 3 as it has some anomalies in it (926s instead of 925s). I think I bought it for $50--back in 1968! Came with a few extras too, and I am the second owner, although I've lost track of the original owner. I remember being disappointed that it didn't have the built in whistle, and only a two-step reverse unit. It was some time after that that I finally got an engine with the whistle unit (Mike Fay's 336) and was I disappointed! Note that I relate most of my early train purchases to the kids I bought them from! Have fun, especially today! S' David D

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49555	From: rebendever	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Special Announcement: The 1:64 Modeling Guide has a New Owner!

August 1, 2008: Debbie & I are pleased to make this announcement. Many of you may already know this publication's new owner and if you do, you know that Bob Nalbone is a dedicated model railroader. Debbie and I will still be around to help Bob out with proofing, editing, and advertising. Bob has honored me by allowing me to continue the "GaSoline Alley" column as long as it draws readers. If you are a current subscriber, there is NO reason to panic. The new owner is honoring existing subscribers. If you are not sure if you are current with your 1:64MG subscription, all that you need to do is look at the back of the last 1:64 Modeling Guide issue (Volume 9, Issue 6 & looks like the issue just above this text) and the information there will tell you if this is your last issue; if you have 1 or 2 issues left, or the number of the issue in the future that your subscription expires. You can also email a question about your subscription if you can't figure any of this out. The first issue for the new owner will be along shortly in the Fall, 2008. Sincerely, Richard E Bendever, Group Moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49556	From: Scaler164@comcast.net	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Have Fun!

I ain't-a-gunnin' fer ya, Stumpy... so you can come outta yer lair and pick up where I headed you off. We CAN all learn from one another... no doubt. Its just that sometimes, what one may be learnin' from the other is what NOT to do. Happy 'rails! John Degnan Scaler164@... -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> > Point well taken, John. I speak only for myself as a former scale > modeler of many years who has tired of dealing with the restraints > of "scale" and the attitudes of many of it's practitioners. That > there are others on the S Train group who share my feelings is beyond > my control. > There is nothing wrong with wanting to know the prototype better, I > encourage it! I have been studying it even since my Dad and I went > down to the B&O in Zanesville, Ohio on Saturdays to ride on the steam > switcher as it worked the yard. I count among friends an Amtrak > Conductor, two CSX Engineers, two NS Engineers and a Conductor who > keep me up on the latest, even though my interest is the Steam to > Diesel Transition Era of my youth. > If you're having fun with the hobby, that's great! More power to > you if you're enjoying the hobby because that is what hobbies are all > about! I did not mean to offend, it's just that I no longer find > exact scale fidelity in a one/oneth scale world to be for me. > After my life threatening medical adventures, my outlook changed. > Life is too short to waste any of it on pursuits that don't interest > you, or people who look down on you. Have fun when you can! > Stumpy Stone...properly chastised and lurking in my hidden hillside > lair in Appalachia. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49557	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Ma

Now Bob, do you really believe that you would let those go for $35 each if you really had them? LOL Maybe you should of wrote that as you got them for 35 each at a yard sale. I did not know that living in FL you guys go crazy down there and sell things real cheap. Let me know when the next sale is going on. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: rcon7@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer Mike .... 21145....Just sold one in the box and one without the box.... GOT 35.00 each in a yard sale!!! Kept the Boxed set, the hit or miss one.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49558	From: William Porter	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Transformer Phasing

Hi Folks, I just bought new power cords for a few transformers including 4B, 18B and a ZW. My intent is to replace the existing cords with these newer polarized plugs in such a way that they will always be properly phased in a properly wired building. In the archives, there is a fine set of notes that represent the start of a debate/discussion on which of the wires (ribbed wire, wide plug blade versus smooth wire, standard plug blade) should be connected to which of the primary leads. Sadly, there is no finish that I could find and no recommended or adopted standard. Does anyone know of a recommended practice? Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49559	From: roy inman	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: FW: Alton elevator kit-another question...

Bob Werre's post about the Alton, KS elevator not having a place for trucks to dump the grain prompted me to email AMB and ask. The reply is below. And BTW, I saw only one other person who seemed be interested in seeing the Alton elevator in S. Are we the only ones? Roy Inman ---------- From: "American Model Builders, Inc." <laserkit@...> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) To: roy inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: Alton elevator kit-another question... Hi, This particular elevator, as originally built, had truck or wagon doors on either side of the main structure allowing for the vehicle to be driven inside to dump its load. Our kit also has these doors, but may not be visible in the photos you have seen. Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49560	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mike, Ya Just missed 'em!

David, Thanks for telling us about your set with the 21145. Good for you. I will find one someday. But I like how things in FL sell so cheap. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: djdewey@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: Mike, Ya Just missed 'em! OK Bob & Jerry, Not fair dangling such goodies in front of Mike on his Anniversary! BTW Mike, I DO have a 21145, and the set & a beat up box that goes with it (in fact, my set is mentioned in the last edition of the Greenberg's Vol 3 as it has some anomalies in it (926s instead of 925s). I think I bought it for $50--back in 1968! Came with a few extras too, and I am the second owner, although I've lost track of the original owner. I remember being disappointed that it didn't have the built in whistle, and only a two-step reverse unit. It was some time after that that I finally got an engine with the whistle unit (Mike Fay's 336) and was I disappointed! Note that I relate most of my early train purchases to the kids I bought them from! Have fun, especially today! S' David D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49561	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Excursion Trains

I just took two of my grandchildren for a ride on the Arkansas - Missouri train from Van Buren, AR to Winslow, AR and return. This is not the highest quality ride that there is out there, but never the less it is a lot of fun. One lesson learned: There is a prototype somewhere for just about anything you want to do with your layout. This little ride is over three trestles and through a tunnel. It used to be part of the Frisco line's Monette, MO to Paris, TX trackage. I was gpong to take some pics, but the wife used the camera yesterday and ran the batteries down. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49562	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Ma

... Just funnin.... But I do have the 2 yet..... I have found some very good deals here... 5 didget HW pass cars.... 275 with discount and with the boxes!!! Bob -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- Now Bob, do you really believe that you would let those go for $35 each if you really had them? LOL Maybe you should of wrote that as you got them for 35 each at a yard sale. I did not know that living in FL you guys go crazy down there and sell things real cheap. Let me know when the next sale is going on. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: rcon7@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer Mike .... 21145....Just sold one in the box and one without the box.... GOT 35.00 each in a yard sale!!! Kept the Boxed set, the hit or miss one.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49563	From: D. Winslow	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Transformer Phasing

William Porter wrote: > > > Hi Folks, > > I just bought new power cords for a few transformers including 4B, 18B and a > ZW. My intent is to replace the existing cords with these newer polarized > plugs in such a way that they will always be properly phased in a properly > wired building. In the archives, there is a fine set of notes that represent > the start of a debate/discussion on which of the wires (ribbed wire, wide > plug blade versus smooth wire, standard plug blade) should be connected to > which of the primary leads. Sadly, there is no finish that I could find and > no recommended or adopted standard. The transformer completely isolates the line from the rest of the amp, so it should not matter. On my C2, I identified which line went to the switches, and connected hot there, the other line on the AC terminal went to neutral. The hot on the polarized plug, is the smaller of the two. > Does anyone know of a recommended practice? > > Bill Porter Good luck, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49564	From: UNLV666@aol.com	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Special Announcement: The 1:64 Modeling Guide has a New Owner!

Dear Sir: I paid for my subscription in 2007 but have so far not received a single issue. Please explain why. Joe In a message dated 8/1/2008 1:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, subscription@... writes: August 1, 2008: Debbie & I are pleased to make this announcement. Many of you may already know this publication'already know this publication'<WBR>s new that Bob Nalbone is a dedicated model railroader. Debbie and I will still be around to help Bob out with proofing, editing, and advertising. Bob has honored me by allowing me to continue the "GaSoline Alley" column as long as it draws readers. If you are a current subscriber, there is NO reason to panic. The new owner is honoring existing subscribers. If you are not sure if you are current with your 1:64MG subscription, all that you need to do is look at the back of the last 1:64 Modeling Guide issue (Volume 9, Issue 6 & looks like the issue just above this text) and the information there will tell you if this is your last issue; if you have 1 or 2 issues left, or the number of the issue in the future that your subscription expires. You can also email a question about your subscription if you can't figure any of this out. The first issue for the new owner will be along shortly in the Fall, 2008. Sincerely, Richard E Bendever, Group Moderator **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49565	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Transformer Phasing

According to some friends of mine who are electrical engineers, there is no convention for wiring a transformer with regard to polarized plugs. Some new transformers, which are UL approved, have two prong non polarized plugs which seems to bear out my friends position and also makes it easy to phase transformers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49566	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Going to Lowell - Lenz set 100 & 90

Just a reminder. If you are going to Lowell and own a Lenz Set 100, remember to bring along your LV-102 for the free V3.6 software upgrage. Debbies Ames will have a booth at the show. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49567	From: John Stevens	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Christmas car?

Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows of a company that's taking orders yet for the Christmas car. I went on the Flyonel site and can't even find a 2008 car. Jay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49568	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Ma

I know Bob. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: rcon7@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer ... Just funnin.... But I do have the 2 yet..... I have found some very good deals here... 5 didget HW pass cars.... 275 with discount and with the boxes!!! Bob -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- Now Bob, do you really believe that you would let those go for $35 each if you really had them? LOL Maybe you should of wrote that as you got them for 35 each at a yard sale. I did not know that living in FL you guys go crazy down there and sell things real cheap. Let me know when the next sale is going on. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: rcon7@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] July 31 in toy train history - Mike and Linda Marmer Mike .... 21145....Just sold one in the box and one without the box.... GOT 35.00 each in a yard sale!!! Kept the Boxed set, the hit or miss one.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49569	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Christmas car?

They were announced several months ago, and all four are pictured in The Gilbert Gallery:        http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Christmas_Cars_2.html   Trainz.com, Charles Ro, and others were offering them but I don't now whether they have sold out.  I ordered mine from Nicholas Smith because they were cheapest; they didn't have them on their website - I had to call  610.353.8585.   Bob --- On Sat, 8/2/08, John Stevens <jaay_st@...> wrote: From: John Stevens <jaay_st@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas car? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 11:53 AM Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows of a company that's taking orders yet for the Christmas car. I went on the Flyonel site and can't even find a 2008 car. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49570	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Grabber

I ordered a 2 foot reacher/grabber from a company called Findingking. Flexible Magnet & Claw Pick Up Tools 2Pcs SKU: SO-12PK My objective with this is to load barrels into the AF barrel loader when I need to reload it, since it is the only accessory not reachable by hand. It works great, so I thought I would pass it along, as the second grabber is a two foot magnetic one. And it was only 5 for the complete set plus shipping. saves me the trouble of going under the table and removing the pop up with the baseball field, now known as Citgo Park at D&K Rail Yards. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49571	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Christmas car?

We are and have been. Clay Kinsner Lone Star Trains & Collectibles San Antonio, TX 210-655-4665 -----Original Message----- From: John Stevens [mailto:jaay_st@...] Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 02:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas car? Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows of a company that's taking orders yet for the Christmas car. I went on the Flyonel site and can't even find a 2008 car. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49572	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/3/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 3, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 1 minute. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49573	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Christmas car?

Tranz.com still has them listed, also the car with the deer is sold out.Thatis what the dealer I buy from told me Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: John Stevens To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas car? Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows of a company that's taking orders yet for the Christmas car. I went on the Flyonel site and can't even find a 2008 car. Jay No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 8/2/2008 5:30 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49574	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Mobley Library vacation

All -- The NASG's Mobley Library will be closed from today through Monday Aug. 11. We are off to Lowell for the NASG Convention. Dick Karnes, Librarian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49575	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/3/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 3, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49576	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: FW: Alton elevator kit-another question...

Roy, I emailed AMB, and got aresonce from them. I hope they take us up on it. I too would like to see more structure kits in S gauge. Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Irving( Dallas) Texas roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Bob Werre's post about the Alton, KS elevator not having a place for trucks to dump the grain prompted me to email AMB and ask. The reply is below. And BTW, I saw only one other person who seemed be interested in seeing the Alton elevator in S. Are we the only ones? Roy Inman ---------- From: "American Model Builders, Inc." <laserkit@...> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) To: roy inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: Alton elevator kit-another question... Hi, This particular elevator, as originally built, had truck or wagon doors on either side of the main structure allowing for the vehicle to be driven inside to dump its load. Our kit also has these doors, but may not be visible in the photos you have seen. Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49577	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Crown Model Products?

I was at Collectible Trains and Toys in Dallas, TX recently. I found an S hi-rail 40' reefer made by Crown Model Products. The car is a nice looking model of a wood sheathed car with a steel roof and ends. The underframe compares to that found under American Models boxcars. Grabirons are molded on the body. The ladders and roofwalk are applied separatly. Paint and graphics are very neatly done. All lettering is legible. This particular car is decorated for Hood's Dairy with reporting marks of GARE 822. The address for the company is Crown Model Products, 125 Irving Street, Framinghan, MA 01702. Can anyone on this list provide any additional information about this manufacturer and any other products they have? This car body is between the all wood body produced by SHS and the all steel bodies made by AF and PRS/S Scale America. The trucks are a sprung all metal bettendorf type similar to SHS. Wheelsets are blackened brass and are insulated from the axles. The hi-rail couplers are similar to those used by SHS with some minor molding differences. The car floor appears to be set up to mount KD#5 couplers, since there is a hole cored on each end for a 2-56 screw. Thanks for any help. Lynn Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49578	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Crown Model Products?

The company is no longer in business.  Their entire S-Gauge product line, and a bit of the company history, is shown on my website, TheGilbertGallery.org:        http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/reefers_Crown_Models.html   I do have some of them for sale:        http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Amer_Models.html   --- On Mon, 8/4/08, lynnshouse2000 <lynnshouse2000@...> wrote: From: lynnshouse2000 <lynnshouse2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Crown Model Products? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 6:10 AM I was at Collectible Trains and Toys in Dallas, TX recently. I found an S hi-rail 40' reefer made by Crown Model Products. The car is a nice looking model of a wood sheathed car with a steel roof and ends. The underframe compares to that found under American Models boxcars. Grabirons are molded on the body. The ladders and roofwalk are applied separatly. Paint and graphics are very neatly done. All lettering is legible. This particular car is decorated for Hood's Dairy with reporting marks of GARE 822. The address for the company is Crown Model Products, 125 Irving Street, Framinghan, MA 01702. Can anyone on this list provide any additional information about this manufacturer and any other products they have? This car body is between the all wood body produced by SHS and the all steel bodies made by AF and PRS/S Scale America. The trucks are a sprung all metal bettendorf type similar to SHS. Wheelsets are blackened brass and are insulated from the axles. The hi-rail couplers are similar to those used by SHS with some minor molding differences. The car floor appears to be set up to mount KD#5 couplers, since there is a hole cored on each end for a 2-56 screw. Thanks for any help. Lynn Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49579	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: L&N Items on Ebay this week

Some of you are busy this week attending the NASG convention, but might want to take the time to look at a number of L&N models that a friend of mine has started to auction off. I have purchased a couple of diesels that he has custom decorated and have been quite pleased. It is pretty rare that nicely decorated L&N diesels can be found on eBay or elsewhere. The eBay seller is walkingtallntenn. Or you may want to find him by searching for an item number. He has an American Models RS3 with item number: 160267555829 - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49580	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Transformer Phasing

- GreetingS - Several have raised the question of transformer phasing. It is quite true that phasing is of little concern if only one transformer is connected to any one task on the layout. Often this is the case on a home layout. However, on a large layout such as was run at the S South gatherings, one large loop was divided into three blocks, each with a transformer. Phasing is necessary to hand off the train from one block to the next. Indeed, a transformer substitution was made with subsequent excessive sparking at the block junction because I did not pay attention to phasing at the swap. If no scheme is presently in place, may I suggest that the base terminal be regarded as neutral on the secondary and that the wide blade side of the plug be neutral on the primary. Thus the narrow blade on the primary and the train or accessory terminal on the secondary be regarded as the hot side. Once again, electrical isolation is achieved since the primary and secondary of our train transformers have no common connection. Two points are raised: how to do this? and what about plugs with two narrow blades? To determine that primary and secondary voltages are in phase, someone with a two channel oscilloscope and powerline measurement skill should step up and offer to do this. Establish that the neutral side of the line is neutral and reference one channel of the scope to it. Signal input for that channel is the hot side of the line (120 V) and don't regard it lightly. Second channel is referenced to the base terminal and signal side can be the track or accessory terminal. Two sine waves are seen on the scope. They are in phase if the positive peaks are one over the other, that is, aligned. If one is putting a new line cord with polarized plug on a transformer and wants known phasing, try this. If the sinusoids do not have positive peaks aligned, then unplug everything, reverse the terminations at the the transformer, and check again. If the transformer plug has two narrow blades, do the same test. If the sinusoids do not align, pull the plug, rotate it 180 degrees, and insert it in the outlet again. Now the sinusoids should be aligned. Mark the edge of the plug at the wide slot with a dab of white paint as the wire color for neutral is white. Once one transformer has a phase relationship between input and output, another can be calibrated by connecting the base terminals together and connecting a good 14 to 18 V lamp between the two train terminals with the track voltage set to a low value on each transformer. No glow indi- cates in phase; bright glow indicates out of phase. Remember, t'aint necessary unless you are powering blocks on one track from several transformers. If you need the phasing.like the idea, but do not like making the powerline measurement, you may send me a small 12 V transformer and polarized plug or AC wall brick and return postage. I'll be glad to mark neutral sides and return it to you. The lamp trick will let you phase other transformers to this reference device. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49581	From: jhwysopal	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: control buttons

I recently acquired three control buttons that I am unfamiliar with. One is the older flat rectangle that says "American Flyer Control Button" and the Gilbert name and address, no mention of what accessory it is used with. It has a slide switch instead of a button with three wires, 2 black, one white. What was it used for? I have two other single button controllers also, one the older style and a newer one for the log unloading car. Both have four wires soldered to their bottoms. Why four wires and how do you wire them to the accessory? Thanks for your help. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49582	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Today In Toytrain history

Thanks David. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Today In Toytrain history Well, Mike might have thought he kept this quiet, but this is posted from the "Toytrains" group site--Many Happy wishes for you two, Linda & Mike! Date: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:14 am ((PDT)) On this date in 1982, Linda Wilce said "I do" to Michael Marmer in a small wedding at Trinity United Methodist Church in Salisbury MD. They honeymooned in the Poconos. They had met a year and four months earlier at Chestnut Lodge in Rockville MD. Linda was an intern in the dietician's office; Mike was making a sales call as the representative of a food wholesaler from Baltimore. The date was Monday, March 30, 1981 - the same day and nearly the same hour that John Hinckley, Jr. shot President Ronald Reagan. Their first shared hobby was collecting milk bottles. Linda's father got them started; he was a forester and often found bottles in the woods. They bought their first two bottles on a 1985 trip to Watkins Glen NY to hike the gorge. Mike had HO and American Flyer S gauge as a boy, but his trains had been stored at a friend's house for years. In the late 1980s, Mike and Linda saw a newspaper advertisement for a Greenberg show and decided to attend. Mike bought two mint Flyer sets from Gary Clark for $100 and put them away. Several years later, while on a trip to New Oxford PA looking for milk bottles, they discovered B&E Junction (named for owner Bill and his wife Elly). Bill had a ton of used postwar AF as well as new AF by Lionel. Mike writes, "We bought 3 pieces for $75 and we both got the train bug". A year later, he joined the Train Collectors Association. Other shared interests include bicycling, baseball, and two cats that lived to be 19 and 20 years old. Dink and Kitty have both passed on to the Heaviside Layer, but they lent their names to Mike's model railroad. Mike has an impressive collection of postwar AF, and he is rapidly completing a hi-rail S gauge layout, complete with a 1/64 scale model of a ball park that he has named S Helper Field in honor of his favorite modern-era train manufacturer. A very happy 26th wedding anniversary to Mike and Linda Marmer. Joseph Lechner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49583	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: SHS sectional track

The 2008 Greenberg Guide says SHS made that track only up to 2005, but the sectional track for sale on the SHS website looks the same and has the same SKU numbers.  Is Greenberg  wrong?  Is today's SHS sectional track compatible with the track they sold between 1998 and 2005? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49584	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Transformer Phasing

Here is my view on this topic: If you are going to replace the cord on a transformer like I did on a 18B, the side of the cord that has the wide blade( NEUTRAL)should go to the transformer winding. The other side should go to the switch (HOT) side. The reason being the NEUTRAL is NEVER switched in household wiring. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49585	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: control buttons

Quickie answer until this evening when I can dig out some comparisons and instructions to be more definitive. The slide switch is for reverse loop control. The four wire buttons are for operation of action cars when the track is powered with DC for one of the DC locomotives.   Bill Drake Simmering in St. Louis - heat index of 115 degrees or so yesterday. Yes I know, Houston, that I am a wimp. --- On Tue, 8/5/08, jhwysopal <jhw749@...> wrote: From: jhwysopal <jhw749@...> Subject: [S-Trains] control buttons To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 6:38 AM I recently acquired three control buttons that I am unfamiliar with. One is the older flat rectangle that says "American Flyer Control Button" and the Gilbert name and address, no mention of what accessory it is used with. It has a slide switch instead of a button with three wires, 2 black, one white. What was it used for? I have two other single button controllers also, one the older style and a newer one for the log unloading car. Both have four wires soldered to their bottoms. Why four wires and how do you wire them to the accessory? Thanks for your help. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49586	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4146

Dear Rhett: I did not think to phase my transformers with the AC line nor did I think to use my oscilloscope. Thank you for the discourse on polarized plugs. I shall phase a few narrow-blade AF transformers in the next couple of weeks, marking each plug with a white paint bar on the 'wide' end. If anyone in the greater Milwaukee area wants your transformer(s) phased, just bring them over. (Call ahead to make sure I am home.) Thorin _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Transformer Phasing Posted by: "Rhett George" rtg@... Date: Mon Aug 4, 2008 6:37 pm ((PDT)) - GreetingS - Several have raised the question of transformer phasing. It is quite true that phasing is of little concern if only one transformer is connected to any one task on the layout. Often this is the case on a home layout. However, on a large layout such as was run at the S South gatherings, one large loop was divided into three blocks, each with a transformer. Phasing is necessary to hand off the train from one block to the next. Indeed, a transformer substitution was made with subsequent excessive sparking at the block junction because I did not pay attention to phasing at the swap. If no scheme is presently in place, may I suggest that the base terminal be regarded as neutral on the secondary and that the wide blade side of the plug be neutral on the primary. Thus the narrow blade on the primary and the train or accessory terminal on the secondary be regarded as the hot side. Once again, electrical isolation is achieved since the primary and secondary of our train transformers have no common connection. Two points are raised: how to do this? and what about plugs with two narrow blades? To determine that primary and secondary voltages are in phase, someone with a two channel oscilloscope and powerline measurement skill should step up and offer to do this. Establish that the neutral side of the line is neutral and reference one channel of the scope to it. Signal input for that channel is the hot side of the line (120 V) and don't regard it lightly. Second channel is referenced to the base terminal and signal side can be the track or accessory terminal. Two sine waves are seen on the scope. They are in phase if the positive peaks are one over the other, that is, aligned. If one is putting a new line cord with polarized plug on a transformer and wants known phasing, try this. If the sinusoids do not have positive peaks aligned, then unplug everything, reverse the terminations at the transformer, and check again. If the transformer plug has two narrow blades, do the same test. If the sinusoids do not align, pull the plug, rotate it 180 degrees, and insert it in the outlet again. Now the sinusoids should be aligned. Mark the edge of the plug at the wide slot with a dab of white paint as the wire color for neutral is white. Once one transformer has a phase relationship between input and output, another can be calibrated by connecting the base terminals together and connecting a good 14 to 18 V lamp between the two train terminals with the track voltage set to a low value on each transformer. No glow indicates in phase; bright glow indicates out of phase. Remember, t'aint necessary unless you are powering blocks on one track from several transformers. If you need the phasing.like the idea, but do not like making the powerline measurement, you may send me a small 12 V transformer and polarized plug or AC wall brick and return postage. I'll be glad to mark neutral sides and return it to you. The lamp trick will let you phase other transformers to this reference device. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49587	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Transformer Phasing

I second the motion for the same reasoning.   Bill Drake --- On Tue, 8/5/08, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer Phasing To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 11:40 AM Here is my view on this topic: If you are going to replace the cord on a transformer like I did on a 18B, the side of the cord that has the wide blade( NEUTRAL)should go to the transformer winding. The other side should go to the switch (HOT) side. The reason being the NEUTRAL is NEVER switched in household wiring. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 ************ **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? ncid=aolaut00050 000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49588	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: greenberg book

I would like to see a greenberg " :"  B I B L E " "  in some libraries.    In Illinois Borders is the main book store since Krock and Brentano;s closed.   they do not have it. Krause books are there. but no Greenberg. --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] SHS sectional track To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 9:26 AM The 2008 Greenberg Guide says SHS made that track only up to 2005, but the sectional track for sale on the SHS website looks the same and has the same SKU numbers.  Is Greenberg  wrong?  Is today's SHS sectional track compatible with the track they sold between 1998 and 2005? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49589	From: mikenguy9	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: American Flyer's 1 1/2 transformer

I took my 1 1/2 out of the box and noticed one of the terminals was missing. the base terminal. I knew I did nit buy itthat way. after a little while a second terminal the middle one came off. Has this happened to any one else? What is the remedy? ( What should I do?)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49590	From: roy inman	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: SHS sectional track

We are using SHS sectional track from 2007 and previous years. I can't pin down the exact previous years, but it goes back a ways and everything works. Roy Inman From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:26:03 -0700 (PDT) To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] SHS sectional track The 2008 Greenberg Guide says SHS made that track only up to 2005, but the sectional track for sale on the SHS website looks the same and has the same SKU numbers.  Is Greenberg  wrong?  Is today's SHS sectional track compatible with the track they sold between 1998 and 2005? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49591	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: greenberg book

As far as I know, all Geenberg books are out of print and are no longer for sale in stores. Only the yearly price guides are being sold. Harwood **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49592	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Mobley Library vacation

What is Mobley Library? --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Richard Karnes <nasglibrary@...> wrote: From: Richard Karnes <nasglibrary@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Mobley Library vacation To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "nasgmembers" <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 3:58 PM All -- The NASG's Mobley Library will be closed from today through Monday Aug. 11. We are off to Lowell for the NASG Convention. Dick Karnes, Librarian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49593	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: help curing link couplers that stick in the up position

first:  What is keeping these couplers up?   Are they binding on something?   the pin being bent or something.   I have never done this but some white grease maybe would work as it may just need a  lubricant.  But is white grease the proper one to use?  I do not know. --- On Tue, 7/29/08, lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> Subject: [S-Trains] help curing link couplers that stick in the up position To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 11:16 PM I have run into several link couplers that stick in the up position when being coupled, rather than dropping back down to mate with the pin on the adjacant car. [They are black-weighted couplers.] I'm sure there is a well known solution, but I could not locate it in the archives, in S-Trains FAQ nor in Port Lines On-Line Repair Clinic. Any guidance will be much appreciated. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49594	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: No Christmas car this

Did you try Des Plaines Hobbies in Des Plaines, Illinois?   or Hills uto be Park Ridge but they moved to ???????????????   Palatine, Wheeling, Prospet Heights    maybe chicagoland-hobbies.com they are Lionel --- On Sat, 8/2/08, John Stevens <jaay_st@...> wrote: From: John Stevens <jaay_st@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas car? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 1:53 PM Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows of a company that's taking orders yet for the Christmas car. I went on the Flyonel site and can't even find a 2008 car. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49595	From: jim patterson	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: coupler lube

You may want to us a dry lube. Anything wet will a tract additional dirt or grime.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49596	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: help curing link couplers that stick in the up position

It is the release agent used in the plastic to get the pieces out of the mold when they are made. The agent used by Gilbert was left as a residue which over the years hardens and causes the link to stick on the steel pin. It should never be greased or oiled. The coupler should be immersed in a good dish washing detergent in warm water and thoroughly scrubbed with a toothbrush and dried. This of course would normally be done without dismantling or detaching the coupler, only immersing the coupler itself. Alternatively the problem has been fixed by carefully heating the coupler up with a hairdryer and scrubbing the consequently melted release agent off with a toothbrush and cloth. This is a process requiring more care to avoid melting the plastic. Again. Do not oil or grease! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:04 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] help curing link couplers that stick in the up position first: What is keeping these couplers up? Are they binding on something? the pin being bent or something. I have never done this but some white grease maybe would work as it may just need a lubricant. But is white grease the proper one to use? I do not know. --- On Tue, 7/29/08, lember2004 <lember2004@yahoo. <mailto:lember2004%40yahoo.com> com> wrote: From: lember2004 <lember2004@yahoo. <mailto:lember2004%40yahoo.com> com> Subject: [S-Trains] help curing link couplers that stick in the up position To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 11:16 PM I have run into several link couplers that stick in the up position when being coupled, rather than dropping back down to mate with the pin on the adjacant car. [They are black-weighted couplers.] I'm sure there is a well known solution, but I could not locate it in the archives, in S-Trains FAQ nor in Port Lines On-Line Repair Clinic. Any guidance will be much appreciated. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 8/5/2008 6:03 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49597	From: jim patterson	Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: 2008 Christmas Car

Hi! Go to search line type in 6-48475 of what ever car # you want. Wait and see what comes up. and go from there. I just ordered 2 car yesterday. Due in Oct. '08, Probably received Nov. 08.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49598	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: control buttons

The four wire button wiring is shown in the 717 instructions scanned and posted under Bill's American Flyer. Haven't found the unit with the switch yet.   Bill Drake Thunder and lightning in St. Louis --- On Tue, 8/5/08, jhwysopal <jhw749@...> wrote: From: jhwysopal <jhw749@...> Subject: [S-Trains] control buttons To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 6:38 AM I recently acquired three control buttons that I am unfamiliar with. One is the older flat rectangle that says "American Flyer Control Button" and the Gilbert name and address, no mention of what accessory it is used with. It has a slide switch instead of a button with three wires, 2 black, one white. What was it used for? I have two other single button controllers also, one the older style and a newer one for the log unloading car. Both have four wires soldered to their bottoms. Why four wires and how do you wire them to the accessory? Thanks for your help. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49599	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Christmas car?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Stevens <jaay_st@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > I was wondering if anyone knows of a company that's taking orders yet > for the Christmas car. I went on the Flyonel site and can't even find > a 2008 car. > Jay > .Hi Jay, Go back to the Lionelsite and click on the catalog link. Then go to the 2008 catalog.Go to the index and look for happy holidays. They list allof the Christmas cars in that section. I was just there and they listed all of the American Flyer cars . Thanks, Alan Lambert >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49600	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Lionel American Flyer Christmas cars

To all who have had trouble finding these cars, Go to the catalog index page. there you will find the 2008 catalog. Next go down to Seasons Greetings. Click that and you should see all of the Christmas cars listed. They combined the Flyer cars with the Lionel cars in this section. I just got off of their website and know that they are listed. The tank car the reindeer stock car, they are all there mixed in with the Lionel cars. Thanks, Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Irving(Dallas) Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49601	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Lionel American Flyer Christmas cars

Change#1 Look up Happy Holidays on the index page. In my earlier post I said Seasons Greetings. You wont find that listed, but the cars are there Thanks, Alan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49602	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mobley Library vacation

Hi Mike -- Russ Mobley was a pillar of the S scale community. His collection of books and magazines became the NASG library, and Dick Karnes became the librarian and warehouser of the collection. When he is available, you can get copies of articles and other things from him. Unfortunately, Russ died (heart failure, I believe) about 10 (15?) years ago -- a good ole boy from the south, he was tireless in his promotion of S scale, and had a line of craftsman wood car kits under the Amity Star label. Bill Wade (BTSRR) took over that line when Russ became too ill to carry on. I don't know what is left. Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ ---What is Mobley Library? ---Mike Rosz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49603	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: SHS sectional track

I've got a lot of SHS track from several years ago. It's all the same stuff, EXCEPT there was supposed to have been a minor re-engineering of the switches some time in the past. I also have the flex track. All of it is great stuff, it's all I use now. Stumpy Stone...have Dremel, will travel...Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49604	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: for sale: Gilbert AF Orange-Stripe Streamliners

#960 Columbus Combination made only in 1956.  Between C-6 (VG) and C-7 (Ex) TCA condition.  2008 Greenberg $125$ - $150.   #962 Columbus Vista Dome made only in 1956.  Between C-6 (VG) and C-7 (Ex) TCA condition.  2008 Greenberg $150$ - $175.   #963 Columbus Observation Car made only in 1956.  Between C-6 (VG) and C-7 (Ex) TCA condition.  2008 Greenberg $130$ - $155.   Make offer.   Pictures and more info are available on my website:        http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Gilbert_passengers.html   That page also links to other items for sale from this estate collection.   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49605	From: Robert Nelson	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals?

Can anyone help me? I'm looking for a source for S-scale Milwaukee Road passenger car decals. In particular, I would like to find decals for Milwaukee's 1957 and later yellow/gray/red paint scheme passenger cars but if those are not available, I would then be interested in finding passenger car decals for Milwaukee's earlier orange/maroon/gray passenger car livery. Anyone know of a source for these decals? Regards, Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49606	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Transformer Phasing

- GreetingS - Michael and Bill have the safety of every one of us in mind when they advocate connecting the hot lead of a polarized cordset directly to the transformer switch. I heartily concur. My 30B has the original line cord with unpolarized plug. It is likely that the previous owners and I have never known which narrow blade on the plug was connected to the switch. In the same vein, most transformers upward thru the 8B do not have switches and, therefore, the point is moot. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49607	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: 2008 Christmas Car

We have the cars are in stock now. Contact your favorite dealer. Very beSt, Clay Kinsner, Lone Star Trains and Collectibles San Antonio, TX 210-655-4665 -----Original Message----- From: jim patterson [mailto:kc6ktj@...] Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 10:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 2008 Christmas Car Hi! Go to search line type in 6-48475 of what ever car # you want. Wait and see what comes up. and go from there. I just ordered 2 car yesterday. Due in Oct. '08, Probably received Nov. 08. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49608	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Vanishing terminals

- GreetingS - Mike of mikenguy9 asked a question about terminals taking leave of his 1 1/2 transformer. Presumably this has to do with the stud and knurled nut leaving, not just the nut. Factory assembly went something like this. The nominally lower end of the stud was passed thru the hole in the case, a transformer lead was put around it, and it was mightly spread in several radial directions usng a punch press. This is metallurgically gory. It is called swaging. It is also done in hundreds of assembly lines making all manner of electrical devices. Sideways mechanical force is probably the worst enemy of these swaged terminals. Corrosion due to a moist atmosphere may be second in the enemy line. The repair involves opening the case and test fitting machine screws to the wires and for the middle to the tab from the speed control. A 6-32 screw about 3/4" long. Feed the screw from the inside of the case making certain that the wire or tab is under the appropriate head. I like to use a solder terminal on the transformer wire. External tooth lock washers are good also. Secure with a nut. Add knurled nuts on top to secure the black and yellow wires. It may be that an 8-32 or a 4-40 is a better fit in the case. If the case is metal rather than bakelite, be certain to fit all the necessary insulating washers or the transformer will be its own short circuit. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49609	From: ecphora123	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: American Flyer Reference

Is there a 'still in print reference' that has pictures of what any particular American Flyer locomotive or car actually looks like? I'm not interested in current values, just actual images. I have little interest in monetary values as I am an operator rather than a collector. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49610	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Baseball Team

The D&R Railroad baseball team showed up today at Citgo Park at D&R Railyards. However, they showed up too early, since the ballpark is not complete. Advertising signs for the green monster wall arrived, as we have RKO Theatre, Chiclets, Old Gold Cigarettes, (Oops, not politically correct, but heck, advertising money is hard to get with the internet now), Gilbert Milk Company and the Branford Diner. However, there are no left handers on the baseball team, as that is good, because left handed pitchers demand more money and would break the budget for the ballclub. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49611	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Reference

Yes there probaby are a few. O'brians Collecting Toy Trains comes to mind. but that has others besides Flyer.   --- On Wed, 8/6/08, ecphora123 <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: ecphora123 <ecphora123@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Reference To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:43 PM Is there a 'still in print reference' that has pictures of what any particular American Flyer locomotive or car actually looks like? I'm not interested in current values, just actual images. I have little interest in monetary values as I am an operator rather than a collector. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49612	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Baseball team arrives photos

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=103&m=t&o=0 Pictures of the baseball team arriving at the D&K RR Station are posted. However, as you can see in one picture, the baseball field pop up is taken out of the table for work on the layout. The team has arrived too early. Hugo, the Marx military police man, escorted by two cats, is telling them to stop and leave on the train. Hugo likes that pose, as he told that to the milk guy too. Last we saw, Hugo has approached the team on the tracks, as the passenger train has left for other points west or maybe east. Heck, we don't have a clue, as the train just goes around in circles anyway. So it will be back in 30 seconds. We might have a stand off here, as a player takes a swing at Hugo with a bat!!!!! Pictures also of the signs that will be going on the baseball outfield green monster wall. I will keep the 25019 on the rub on for the milk as a phone number. Also pictured are two Citgo signs, as I ruined the first one. I have billboard supports for them too, so I will have them back to back on a wooden support pillar. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49613	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Reference

Gene, Here is a great recent reference that should be what you're looking for: Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains by David Doyle UPC code 0978089689515 Publisher is Krause Publications Issue date: October 2007 400 8 1/2 x 11 " pages in living color Everything ever offered by AC Gilbert in S, Std, O and HO is presented with around 1,000 full color photos I got my copy from Amazon.com. The book is on eBay from time to time. Seems like the list price is around $30, but you can find it for less if you shop around on-line. Good luck, BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ecphora123" <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Is there a 'still in print reference' that has pictures of what any > particular American Flyer locomotive or car actually looks like? I'm > not interested in current values, just actual images. I have little > interest in monetary values as I am an operator rather than a collector. > > Gene Cimino >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49614	From: Jim King	Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Igloo water coolers available in S scale

My first S scale detail parts, Igloo water coolers, are now available. Go to this link to see pix of the pilot models http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/sscaledetailparts.html. To view the rest of the web site, remove everything after “.com” in your browser and hit ‘enter’. Note that these things are tiny even in S about ¼” tall! But because of the very high accuracy of 3D CAD and rapid prototyping, even the characteristic “tank bands” on the body are represented, just not well shown in the photos because they are so small and hand-painted. Contact me off list to place your order. The next detail parts will be Southern Ry. trackside signs (whistle post, maintenance limit, yard limit and 2 mile posts (2-digit and 3-digit targets). Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49615	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: For sale: seven aluminum 66x series cars

Pictures and details on the website:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Gilbert_passengers.html   C-6 to C-7 condition.  All have link couplers.  Make offer.   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49616	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Reference

Get standard catalog of "American Flyer Trains. Currently in print and circulation. Written by Gary Doyle. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 08/06/2008 5:23:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ecphora123@... writes: Is there a 'still in print reference' that has pictures of what any particular American Flyer locomotive or car actually looks like? I'm not interested in current values, just actual images. I have little interest in monetary values as I am an operator rather than a collector. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49617	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: Baseball Team

Mike, WHOA!! That's one BIG sink hole!! Sorry to hear of the field's demise! :) Think I'd go over to the oil derrick and see if they sucked up whatever was holding up your field! Knowing your town's building contractors, I'm sure all will be put to right in short order! S' David D. PS I note the Ump is already practicing his signals right on the station platform.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49618	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals?

Dear Bob: I do not know where to get the decals you seek. These are the Union Pacific colors. However, I got my E-Unit decals from Des Plaines Hobbies for a project that has been mothballed for a few years. (No one else has EVER had a mothballed project? Right?!?) Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals? Posted by: "Robert Nelson" navy.seal@... udt.seal Date: Wed Aug 6, 2008 12:29 pm ((PDT)) Can anyone help me? I'm looking for a source for S-scale Milwaukee Road passenger car decals. In particular, I would like to find decals for Milwaukee's 1957 and later yellow/gray/red paint scheme passenger cars but if those are not available, I would then be interested in finding passenger car decals for Milwaukee's earlier orange/maroon/gray passenger car livery. Anyone know of a source for these decals? Regards, Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49619	From: roy inman	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals?

Bob, Caboose Hobbies in Denver has a huge supply of S decals-well, relatively speaking. I was able to find some KCS passenger car decals there. Might be worth a try... Roy Inman From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:02:57 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Nelson <navy.seal@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals? Dear Bob: I do not know where to get the decals you seek. These are the Union Pacific colors. However, I got my E-Unit decals from Des Plaines Hobbies for a project that has been mothballed for a few years. (No one else has EVER had a mothballed project? Right?!?) Thorin __________________________________________________________ Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals? Posted by: "Robert Nelson" navy.seal@... <mailto:navy.seal%40cox.net> udt.seal Date: Wed Aug 6, 2008 12:29 pm ((PDT)) Can anyone help me? I'm looking for a source for S-scale Milwaukee Road passenger car decals. In particular, I would like to find decals for Milwaukee's 1957 and later yellow/gray/red paint scheme passenger cars but if those are not available, I would then be interested in finding passenger car decals for Milwaukee's earlier orange/maroon/gray passenger car livery. Anyone know of a source for these decals? Regards, Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49620	From: G C	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Reference

Thanks to all who responded to my Flyer reference post. I will get a copy of the Doyle book. Also, thanks as well for the web site info.   Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49621	From: bw_hansen	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: New layout photo album

I have posted some photos of my meager 9x12 train room setup in "Bruce's Trains". It is one main loop with two passing sidings and an innner industrial loop. The industrial loop has two log loaders (only one is in the current photo), lumber yard spur for Moe and Joe, a mail pickup for the Plasticville Post Office, a barrel loader (now a Flyer model has replaced the "O" scale clunker I started with)and the oil depot. I also collect Erector stuff so the bridge across the door opening was a natural. Some day I'll rig up a motor to lift it. I can let one train just run around and do switching on the inner loop. I'm really enjoying running trains for the first time on my own layout. If anybody in the San Jose area wants to play with the trains drop me a note. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49622	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: SHS sectional track

Hello Stumpy, In the last issue of the "Dispatch" there is a photo of your layout with two cars in the rear background. One is a Pluto Water and the other looks to be a Cudahy reefer, Can you tell me the origin of these cars, if they are SHS or another Mfg. or are they scratched and hand lettered? Thanks, Dave. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49623	From: alansherryb	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: New layout photo album

Nice job, Bruce. My "Train Room" is a typical 4th bedroom of about the same size as your room. Since retiring a year and a half ago, I have been trying to come up with a workable layout design that will maximize the space yet still display a fair share of my AF accessories. Your Erector bridge across the doorway is intriguing as I also would like to expand the potential run by enclosing the loop, but a duck- under is out of the question, so I am investigating various lift- bridge or swing gate possibilities. Keep up the good work. Alan Bennett Keizer, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bw_hansen" <bwhanse1@...> wrote: > > I have posted some photos of my meager 9x12 train room setup > in "Bruce's Trains". It is one main loop with two passing sidings and > an innner industrial loop. The industrial loop has two log loaders > (only one is in the current photo), lumber yard spur for Moe and Joe, a > mail pickup for the Plasticville Post Office, a barrel loader (now a > Flyer model has replaced the "O" scale clunker I started with)and the > oil depot. I also collect Erector stuff so the bridge across the door > opening was a natural. Some day I'll rig up a motor to lift it. I can > let one train just run around and do switching on the inner loop. I'm > really enjoying running trains for the first time on my own layout. If > anybody in the San Jose area wants to play with the trains drop me a > note. > > Bruce >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49624	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Gaint Milk Bottle Arrives!!!!!

A giant unpainted Milk Bottle arrived today at Citgo Park at D&K RR Yards. It will be part of the A.C. Gilbert Dairy advertising at the park. The bottle is being painted white, as the word Milk on it will then be painted black. It will be place on a pole outside the park in left field. Other parks have giant coke or beer bottles, Citgo Park has a Milk Bottle. A small section of Citgo Park wall, the last part is done. Foul pole will go up tomorrow. Citgo sign is back in operation on a gray box, that is 15 feet high in S scale. The baseball team is getting restless as they consumed allot of ice cream at the Frosty Bar. They have a challenge by another AF operator to play some baseball games, as he has a ballfield on his layout. However, both teams have red uniforms. That could be a issue. The D&K RR Pinheads are a bit green, since they have not played together as a team yet. So, the challenge will have to wait until the team has gone through Fall training, then Winter will hit the area. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49625	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Complaints

Having being a collector for 16 years, building a layout for the first time, is really something with all the things you have to order. I got some things this week and I have some complaints about the products and/or shipment. I will not name the sellers, as I will give them a chance to respond to me in private. First issue is the baseball team I purchased. I am really upset, that none of the players are left handed!!!!!! Left hander ball players are in high demand and a left handed pitcher can make really good money. Second I got something else in the mail, as the product was fine, but I noticed that the packing material was the sports page from Los Angelos. They had used the front page that had the full story of Manny arriving from Boston to LA, as Boston is my favorite AL team. Upon reading the article about Manny to see how things are going in LA for him, the article was to continue on page 3. So, I look for page 3 and it was not in the box!!! What to do now!? They had the food section there, which does me no good. O:)! JUST KIDDING, all is well. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49626	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Pluto Water and Old Dutch cars

The cars in the background are SHS cars which weren't selling I bought in a deal from the hobby shop I work part time at. I sanded and painted them and decaled them with Old Dutch Cleanser/Cudahy and Pluto Water. The decals were custom made on an ALPS printer by Bob Anson in Florida at $15. a set. He normally makes O scale decals, so these were specials. S Helper made an Old Dutch car some years ago, but the graphics are different from the photos I've seen of the car. I did the style I had a photo of, so my car differs from the SHS one. When I get done working on all the locos I've gathered parts for, I want to get back to doing more billboard reefers. I'd like to buy some SHS undecs as repainting RTR cars is a paint. Stumpy Stone...so many ideas...so little time.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49627	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Baseball Team

Ahh, David, the field is rising from the ashes. The D&K RR Pinheads will be battling it out soon for the company RR town. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: djdewey@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: Baseball Team Mike, WHOA!! That's one BIG sink hole!! Sorry to hear of the field's demise! :) Think I'd go over to the oil derrick and see if they sucked up whatever was holding up your field! Knowing your town's building contractors, I'm sure all will be put to right in short order! S' David D. PS I note the Ump is already practicing his signals right on the station platform. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49628	From: Bill	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: www.thesupplycar.com for access to S Scale items and TOMALCO parts

The new website www.thesupplycar.com for access to S Scale items and TOMALCO parts Thanks, Bob McCarthy THE SUPPLY CAR, LLC www.thesupplycar.com thesupplycar@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49629	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Reference

I was able to purchase this from Overstock.com for $23.63 including shipping. Larry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Thanks to all who responded to my Flyer reference post. I will get a copy of the Doyle book. Also, thanks as well for the web site info. > � > Gene > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49630	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Pluto Water and Old Dutch cars

Thanks Stumpy!! That Pluto water car looks great! I checked the Clover House catalog for this scheme and they didn't have it, so I was really puzzled by your car. Is Bob still making decal sets? And does he have a contact e-mail by chance? thanks for your time Dave. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49631	From: Bob Anson	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Pluto Water and Old Dutch cars

and i am on the list.... Bob Anson %~) --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Pluto Water and Old Dutch cars To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:02 AM The cars in the background are SHS cars which weren't selling I bought in a deal from the hobby shop I work part time at. I sanded and painted them and decaled them with Old Dutch Cleanser/Cudahy and Pluto Water. The decals were custom made on an ALPS printer by Bob Anson in Florida at $15. a set. He normally makes O scale decals, so these were specials. S Helper made an Old Dutch car some years ago, but the graphics are different from the photos I've seen of the car. I did the style I had a photo of, so my car differs from the SHS one. When I get done working on all the locos I've gathered parts for, I want to get back to doing more billboard reefers. I'd like to buy some SHS undecs as repainting RTR cars is a paint. Stumpy Stone...so many ideas...so little time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49632	From: John Stevens	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: New layout photo album

Bruce, Thanks for doing the photos of a narrow set-up. We are just now beginning our first permanent set-up. It will run about 3' wide and be along a wall about 20' long. Hopefully we can turn a corner at one end and continue the layout for another 10'. Our big challenge will be turning around at the the ends; hopefully we can finagle enough room for the radius'. Narrow layouts are a real challenge for us all. We are currently looking to use the AF track we have; but may end up with AM track. We did our first set-up this past Christmas with a track around the tree. It was a lot of fun getting everything to work the way it was designed. The only let down was realizing the engine didn't have a whistle. Thought they all had them. That is something we will have to figure out how to incorporate. Jay in RI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49633	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Ballpark is done!!!!!

News Bulletin D&K RR Company Town August 8, 2008 Citgo Park at D&K RR Yards is complete. The ballteam while holding out at the Frosty Bar, consuming buckets of soft serve ice cream, has made it over to the ball field. Advertising has gone up on the wall, as a U of MD logo and Terps will be added next week. The excitement here at the company town is overwhelming, except we have no people in this town, except for Hugo the Marx Military Police, 8 stray cats and several cows. Stands and dugouts are still to be made, including the almightily highly profit concession stand. Maryland Style Crabcakes will be the signature item, to be washed down with Gilbert's Grade A milk. Milk bottle do not work too well, as trying to paint the word on the bottle, milk in black did not work. The town will be getting a milk bottle that is already completely painted, to be found at any crafts Shoppe. Pictures to follow on the WDKR TV news. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49634	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Ball park is Done!!

Mike, Whoa!! Wait a minute, if no one else has signed up, I want the Funnel Cake franchise!! "Diamond Dave's Funnel Cakes" --If ya can't eat it, you can frisbee it! Hmm, I might not make much money, but I do get to eat my mistakes! OOps, there's another one. . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49635	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: EVA

Hi, I anyone has a figure that could work as a Eva, please let me know. She will go good with Hugo and Che, that is coming from CA, on my layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49636	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Additonal Basefield item

Two of the baseball players would not leave the Frosty Bar, so Mr. Hugo, the Marx Police man had to come in his usual pose and shoo them to the ball park. Pictures to follow. Another Marx figure will be arriving in town soon, as he is coming from a fine TCA member. I understand his name is Che, as he was great friend with some guy named Fidel, who tried out for the Washington Senators one time. He did not make the team, so he became a dictator of a small country near by, so he can be he own league commissioner like Alan H. "Bud" Selig. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49637	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Citgo Field Pictures

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q8CHJ3i1Aw Pictures of the completed Citgo Field. A nice TCA member is sending me another Marx man. His name will be Che, as I believe he is a friend to Fidel. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49638	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/10/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49639	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: New layout photo album

This 10' thing is a challenge. Be sure to keep all of us posted. Bigfoot ----- Original Message ----- From: John Stevens To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:New layout photo album Bruce, Thanks for doing the photos of a narrow set-up. We are just now beginning our first permanent set-up. It will run about 3' wide and be along a wall about 20' long. Hopefully we can turn a corner at one end and continue the layout for another 10'. Our big challenge will be turning around at the the ends; hopefully we can finagle enough room for the radius'. Narrow layouts are a real challenge for us all. We are currently looking to use the AF track we have; but may end up with AM track. We did our first set-up this past Christmas with a track around the tree. It was a lot of fun getting everything to work the way it was designed. The only let down was realizing the engine didn't have a whistle. Thought they all had them. That is something we will have to figure out how to incorporate. Jay in RI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49640	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] EVA

The letter I was to be the word "If". Sorry about that. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Toy Trains ; S Trains > ; steve Conard ; Jeff Snell ; Ralph Loveless ; Cookie Flannery ; Jeanette Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: [toytrains] EVA Hi, I anyone has a figure that could work as a Eva, please let me know. She will go good with Hugo and Che, that is coming from CA, on my layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49641	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Ball park is Done!!

David, You will get the rights to sell funnel cake at the ballpark, "Diamond Dave's Funnel Cakes". That sound like a sign for the outfield wall to be made. I am sure I can find a picture of a funnel cake on the web!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] re: Ball park is Done!! Mike, Whoa!! Wait a minute, if no one else has signed up, I want the Funnel Cake franchise!! "Diamond Dave's Funnel Cakes" --If ya can't eat it, you can frisbee it! Hmm, I might not make much money, but I do get to eat my mistakes! OOps, there's another one. . . . S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49642	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Views from space

Subj: Magnificent views... Have your sound on. http://www.greatdanepro.com/Blue%20Bueaty/index.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49643	From: John	Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: New Project for my layout

Hello All With a little bit of nudging and encouragement from Stumpy, even though I have lost my garage to my sons stuff as he has moved back home, I have decided to push on and start development of my drop-in Rotary Coal Dumper. This is how the system will operate once I get everything working. 1) A predetermined number of cars will be pushed into the unloading track with a switch engine. 2) The mechanical car positioning system will take over from there, pushing one car in to the dumper. 3) The car will be locked into position, rotated and dumped, rotated back, unlocked and pushed out. 4) The cars will index to allow the next car to be dumped until all the cars are dumped At this time I will be using knuckle couplers on all the cars. In the future I may convert the cars over to a rotating knuckle coupler so they don't have to be separated during the dumping process. All of the moving and dumping will be controlled by a chip from PARALLAX called the BASIC Stamp 2. It has 16 Input/Output channels to use. I will be using infrared sensors all over the dumper to detect the cars at various stages in dumping. With the BASIC Stamp, I will be able to read the sensors and control the motors, with external circuitry, for moving the cars in, dumping them and pushing them out. I am using SHS flex track on my layout so all measurements I will pass on will take those measurements into consideration for those interested in building their own dumpers. I will post all drawings and schematics on one of the S gauge boards as they become available. General measurements at this time for the dumper will be about 12" long by 8" wide, depending on the longest car I have, with about 1/2 the drum being below the table. The Coal I will be using is actually small black plastic chips used in injection molding I bought off the internet. I have also bought small gray plastic chips to simulate limestone for my ore cars. Once I get this built and working, I feel this will be one of the spotlight attractions to my future layout. John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49644	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Question for ya'll down south.

Especially for those of you in South Carolina, I was wondering what the Lancaster & Chester hauled in their covered hoppers (as produced by S Helper Service)? Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49645	From: roy inman	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: AM Alco PA units

Hi all; I have recently purchased an A-B-A set of Santa Fe Alco units by American Models. They are in good condition except that one of the rear ladders on one of the PA units is missing. So far, I am not having any luck getting Ron or anyone at AM to respond to my query asking if replacement ladders are available. Anyone on the lists ever have such a need, and does anyone know if I can get one from AM or anywhere else? Thanks for any ideas :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49646	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/10/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49647	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Question for ya'll down south.

Howdy Wayne, Check out these links about it : 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_and_Chester_Railway 2. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2008-09,GGLD:en&q=Lancaster+%26+Chester John Degnan Scaler164@... The Seaboard Air Line Information Collective and Photo Gallery www.trainweb.org/seaboard/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Question for ya'll down south. > Especially for those of you in South Carolina, I was wondering what the > Lancaster & Chester hauled in their covered hoppers (as produced by S > Helper Service)? > > Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49648	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: AM Alco PA units

Try Portlines. --- On Sun, 8/10/08, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AM Alco PA units To: "S-scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 12:01 AM Hi all; I have recently purchased an A-B-A set of Santa Fe Alco units by American Models. They are in good condition except that one of the rear ladders on one of the PA units is missing. So far, I am not having any luck getting Ron or anyone at AM to respond to my query asking if replacement ladders are available. Anyone on the lists ever have such a need, and does anyone know if I can get one from AM or anywhere else? Thanks for any ideas :) Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49649	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout

John, Hmm, what if your car unloader could move the car up or down just enough to clear the couplers? Then when it finishes rotating, it drops/lifts back into postition, and IF everything is right, the couplers are coupled again. Good thing we don't have tightlock couplers! Hmm, might be easier to incorportate a coupler wieght lift bar and just uncouple the danged things! Random thoughts in the am. . . S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49650	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: York, PA

This is for those mainly who go to York PA for the TCA meet. Linda and I just back home from a weekend in York, as I just want to let you know there is allot to do in York when you come for the TCA meet. We went to a baseball game there, which is not in operation in April and October, as they have a very nice 6000 seat ballpark. The attendance last night was over 6000. I think this new team in York is doing wonders for the city, as allot of new development is going on. Sadly, RR structures are being torn down, but they are in very bad shape. New high rise condos are rising in downtown. But the thing I want to mention is the wonderful 20 mile rail trail from York to the MD line, that continues to Baltimore. This rail trail is along a operating rail line. We did not see any traffic today, as I am sure it is a short line. But we did see lots of cars in town, until we got out into the country side out of York. Lots of switches, a very old switch signal, old warehouses, a very short tunnel built in 1840, the RR station at Hanover Junction where President Lincoln arrived by train in November of 1863 and then transfer to another line to Gettysburg. If you come to York and have a bike, bring it. A very easy ride, with lots of train things to see. Some parts of the trail, has lots of rock cuts for the rail line on the side of small mountains. And if you don't have a bike to bring or can not, you can rent one. I saw on interesting item on the track at a switch. It was a rail guard, of course, to help guide the wheels through the switch. It was made in 1924 by Bethlehem steel and it said Magnesium on it. If any one wants any pictures, sent me a email off the list. Oh, the fairgrounds had a bottle show going on, which I did not know about. I collect Milk bottles, but being outdoors this weekend was great. I did get some ideas on this trip for more signs on the ballpark wall. Maple Donuts has a ad at the Ballpark. A nice logo and donuts on the ad. So I will go to their webpage and take the logo and find some pictures of donuts to go with it. And in a restaurant was cards for D&L Cab Co, for those who had too much to drink. And not ice tea. I will have a sign for the D&K Company Town Cab company. I am sure I can find a cab picture on the web. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49651	From: John	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout

Hi David I am designing the drum so that the center of the knuckle coupler is at the exact center of the drum rotation. That way if I CAN make a coupler that rotates it will be at the center of the drum rotation and then I would not have to uncouple the cars to dump them. On the real rotary coal cars, one end of the car has a rotating coupler and the other end doesn't, as noted by the paint markings on one end of the car. This is how the real rotary dumpers work. For now there will be a small uncoupler built into the input track. As I design this, I will have to take all this in to consideration. Thank you for your interest and thoughts!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: New Project for my layout > John, > Hmm, what if your car unloader could move the car up or down just enough > to clear the couplers? Then when it finishes rotating, it drops/lifts back > into postition, and IF everything is right, the couplers are coupled > again. Good thing we don't have tightlock couplers! > Hmm, might be easier to incorportate a coupler wieght lift bar and just > uncouple the danged things! > Random thoughts in the am. . . > S' > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49652	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Citgo Field Pictures - More Hispanic Friends for Che

Hi Mike, If you want some more hispanic types for your layout go to eBay and search for HOMIES. It is a series of approximately 1/64 hispanic figures. They are mostly modern but some might fit your time frame. You wouldn't want the Marx cop and Che to be lonely! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q8CHJ3i1Aw > > Pictures of the completed Citgo Field. > > A nice TCA member is sending me another Marx man. > > His name will be Che, as I believe he is a friend to Fidel. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49653	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Rotary Dumping

----- Original Message ----- From: John . . . . . if I CAN make a coupler that rotates it will be at the center of the drum rotation and then I would not have to uncouple the cars to dump them. On the real rotary coal cars, one end of the car has a rotating coupler and the other end doesn't. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're running American Flyer cars you could be allowed to do "period modelling." Model the era when they had to be uncoupled. A Wikipedia article says Originally, individual cars would be decoupled and placed in the dumper, but now it is possible to dump an entire unit train of coal without uncoupling any of the cars To read the whold thing, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_car_dumper or just put rotary dump in a Google search. Of course we do have a modern rotary-dump gondola available in S, made by S Scale America. And did you know Doug Miller has made rotary dump devices in S scale? It required uncoupling. And while I'm throwing out, useless(?) information, woodchip cars are rotary-dumped too. Tom Hawley Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49654	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Citgo Field Pictures - More Hispanic Friends for Che

LOL I hope we are not offending anyone here. I think I better stop with Hugo and Che. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Citgo Field Pictures - More Hispanic Friends for Che Hi Mike, If you want some more hispanic types for your layout go to eBay and search for HOMIES. It is a series of approximately 1/64 hispanic figures. They are mostly modern but some might fit your time frame. You wouldn't want the Marx cop and Che to be lonely! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q8CHJ3i1Aw > > Pictures of the completed Citgo Field. > > A nice TCA member is sending me another Marx man. > > His name will be Che, as I believe he is a friend to Fidel. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49655	From: John	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Rotary Dumping

Thanks for the info Tom As for now the cars will uncouple to dump. I haven't even looked into if a swiveling coupler can be made or not. If I could make them, I would have to make about 50 of them so that is not a high priority right now. Also I don't know Doug Miller and didn't know he had a dumper. I have searched the internet for the past year looking for information on creating a rotary dumper and never ran across his name. Most of the stuff I found was for HO or for real dumpers. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're running American Flyer cars you could be allowed to do "period > modelling." Model the era when they had to be uncoupled. A Wikipedia > article says > > Originally, individual cars would be decoupled and placed in the dumper, > but > now it is possible to dump an entire unit train of coal without uncoupling > any of the cars > Of course we do have a modern rotary-dump gondola available in S, made by > S > Scale America. And did you know Doug Miller has made rotary dump devices > in > S scale? It required uncoupling. And while I'm throwing out, useless(?) > information, woodchip cars are rotary-dumped too. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49656	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: New Railroad in RI

- GreetingS - Congratulations to Jay in RI on getting some permanency for his layout. Jay, if you stick with smaller locos, steam or Diesel, you may be able to use AF Pikemaster loops on each end having 15" radius curves. Flex track would make it easier to put down 17" radius curves on your 3' train board. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49657	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question for ya'll down south.

Hi John, I saw on the L&C web page where they had an ADM facility on line, but I knew that ADM used their own hoppers. So this morning I called L&C and got it from the horses mouth. Yes, ADM does use their own hoppers but they also use L&C hoppers. That means that one might see L&C covered hoppers in interchange and all of us now have an excuse to buy one of those colorful S Helper Lancaster and Chester PS2. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > Howdy Wayne, > > Check out these links about it : > > 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_and_Chester_Railway > > 2. > http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF- 8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2008-09,GGLD:en&q=Lancaster+%26+Chester > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > The Seaboard Air Line Information Collective and Photo Gallery > www.trainweb.org/seaboard/index.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:30 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Question for ya'll down south. > > > > Especially for those of you in South Carolina, I was wondering what the > > Lancaster & Chester hauled in their covered hoppers (as produced by S > > Helper Service)? > > > > Wayne Beachy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49658	From: Glenn	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: NASG CONVENTION

Promoting S Scale Model TrainsThese are some views of the 2008 NASG convention. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/NASG08.html I don't have time to post all the pictures a digital camera can take. I was only there Wednesday & Thursday. Hopefully others will post more. Yes the 7 hour drive each way, sometimes in heavy rain, made the 2 days very worth while. Glenn NASG convention Posted by: "william cole" billcwithonec@... billcwithonec Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:30 am (PDT) all, went up to Lowell for Saturday of the NASG convention....nice little town..... the models in the contest room were fantastic (hopefully someone else got photos and will post)...there was a huge station shed complex with catenary, a very interesting ice house diorama, and many others that were just over the top modelling examples! missed out on and RDC-1 for under $400.00, and stopped by Hoquat and S-Helper and left some bucks behind with both of these dealers... River Raisin had their SP steam locomotives on display (beautiful!) and their Baldwin Sharknose diesels looked awesome (and unfortunately are just beyond my budget.....)..... MLW had one of their CN pacifics all done up and running back and forth (looks even better in person than it does in their ads and online!...and it runs well too!!) Grand River Models had their Middleton & Sons warehouse (kit#2) build, painted and displayed, and it was awesome!!!!! Des Plaines Hobbies also had bunches of goodies out for sale ... I've probably forgotten a bunch of people (I do DC scale so a lot of the American Flyer stuff just doesn't get a second glance from me... but there was bunches of AF there!) And the layouts seemed to run very well throughout the day..... It was a 26 hour, 600 mile round trip to Lowell from Philly and back with a quick 5 hour nap early Saturday morning in West Springfield, MA ...kind of grueling, and really glad my fellow railroad club member Nick drove on I-95 (tooo many cars driving way tooooo close for me!)...... my first NASG.....it was worth it! I am looking for some standard Baggage and RPO cars from the American Models 5 car sets,...... if anyone would like to part with them contact me off list.....roadname not important, and would prefer scale wheels, but hi-rail/AF are fine too.... Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49659	From: dphobbies	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: All New S Gauge Freight Car Arrives

While not a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT, this morning we received the all new 50' FMC single door boxcar. For the younger folks, this was one of the prototypes of the extremely popular and colorful IPD cars introduced in the 1970s and still earning revenue for their owners today. Like most of our recent releases, these cars come Flyer compatible, track ready out of the box. Easily replaced scale wheels sets are included as well for those operators. Kadee couplers are easily installed. There are SIX paint schemes available in Four different road numbers. They are Railbox (Yellow), MT&W (Northern Green), Bath & Hammondsport (Purple - the wine car), Chattahoochie Industrial (Gray), Maine Central (Orange), and TP&W (Burnt Orange). Each car has seperately applied wire grabs, ladders, steps, and photoetched crossover walks. Also received in the same container are 3 more paint schemes on the FMC 5283 double door car that was introduced a few months ago. They are SSW-Cotton Belt (FCR), Ontario Northland (Stunning Blue and Yellow), and CRLE (Northern Green). Like the single door cars, 4 road numbers are available. Each car is $44.98. Shipping in North America is $10.00 per order. That means order one car the shipping expense is $10.00. Order 20 cars, the shipping expense is still only $10.00. Buy a lot and save a little. Preorders and dealer orders start shipping today as well. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49660	From: afjerryk5	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: M2 diecast cars

Local Wally World has M2 1/64 diecasts.These are very nicely done,and sell for under $5.Look for them in your area. happy motoring Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49661	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: All New S Gauge Freight Car Arrives

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49662	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: All New S Gauge Freight Car Arrives

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49663	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: M2 diecast cars

Hoquat Hobbies has them too. They came in while Jeff was in Lowell. He brought one of each over to the warehouse today. Don afjerryk5 wrote: > Local Wally World has M2 1/64 diecasts.These are very nicely > done,and sell for under $5.Look for them in your area. > happy motoring > > Jerry > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49664	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Che

Che arrived today on the east coast from CA safely. He had a very nice flight in his small box. He was not damage at all. He said no one gave him a pillow or offered him a beverage of choice. He is in the debriefing Frosty Bar in the town of D&K RR. Once he gets down there he will join Hugo the Marx Military police for a picture session. There he will be given the job of Che the Marx Conductor Man, in charge of all train operations on the layout. No sign of Eva coming anytime to the town. Mike Marmer Creator of the D&K RR Company Town [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49665	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Revolution!

To all those in the TCA who go to York, scream out "Revolution!" every once in a while, while on the street in York or even at the fairgrounds. The locals will give you the thumbs up. They scream this at the York Revolution baseball games. This should be on the York Primer. And since Maple Donuts is the official donut of the TCA, on the truck we saw for Maple Donut, they claim donuts are better than toast. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49666	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout

what happens to the cars after they dump? where are they dumping?   Iremember seeing this when they were loading ore boats in Sandusky Ohio.    really interesting. --- On Sat, 8/9/08, John <beebear@...> wrote: From: John <beebear@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New Project for my layout To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 10:46 PM Hello All With a little bit of nudging and encouragement from Stumpy, even though I have lost my garage to my sons stuff as he has moved back home, I have decided to push on and start development of my drop-in Rotary Coal Dumper. This is how the system will operate once I get everything working. 1) A predetermined number of cars will be pushed into the unloading track with a switch engine. 2) The mechanical car positioning system will take over from there, pushing one car in to the dumper. 3) The car will be locked into position, rotated and dumped, rotated back, unlocked and pushed out. 4) The cars will index to allow the next car to be dumped until all the cars are dumped At this time I will be using knuckle couplers on all the cars. In the future I may convert the cars over to a rotating knuckle coupler so they don't have to be separated during the dumping process. All of the moving and dumping will be controlled by a chip from PARALLAX called the BASIC Stamp 2. It has 16 Input/Output channels to use. I will be using infrared sensors all over the dumper to detect the cars at various stages in dumping. With the BASIC Stamp, I will be able to read the sensors and control the motors, with external circuitry, for moving the cars in, dumping them and pushing them out. I am using SHS flex track on my layout so all measurements I will pass on will take those measurements into consideration for those interested in building their own dumpers. I will post all drawings and schematics on one of the S gauge boards as they become available. General measurements at this time for the dumper will be about 12" long by 8" wide, depending on the longest car I have, with about 1/2 the drum being below the table. The Coal I will be using is actually small black plastic chips used in injection molding I bought off the internet. I have also bought small gray plastic chips to simulate limestone for my ore cars. Once I get this built and working, I feel this will be one of the spotlight attractions to my future layout. John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49667	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: New layout photo album

Do you really ned a turnaround? How about a 'Y' switch.? Or even a rournd house?   Are you familiar with what I am refering to? --- On Sat, 8/9/08, A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@...> wrote: From: A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:New layout photo album To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 6:43 PM This 10' thing is a challenge. Be sure to keep all of us posted. Bigfoot ----- Original Message ----- From: John Stevens To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:New layout photo album Bruce, Thanks for doing the photos of a narrow set-up. We are just now beginning our first permanent set-up. It will run about 3' wide and be along a wall about 20' long. Hopefully we can turn a corner at one end and continue the layout for another 10'. Our big challenge will be turning around at the the ends; hopefully we can finagle enough room for the radius'. Narrow layouts are a real challenge for us all. We are currently looking to use the AF track we have; but may end up with AM track. We did our first set-up this past Christmas with a track around the tree. It was a lot of fun getting everything to work the way it was designed. The only let down was realizing the engine didn't have a whistle. Thought they all had them. That is something we will have to figure out how to incorporate. Jay in RI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49668	From: John	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout

Hi Mike After the cars dump they will be pushed out of the dumper probably down a ramp into a siding waiting to be picked up. They will be dumping into a pit that I hope to be able to use a " behind the scenes" conveyor to refill the coal loading tower. For now I am just concentrating on getting the dumper built and working. I would like to try and get down to a coal fired generating facility in Toledo, OH that has a working rotary dumper to see it in action. Thanks for the interest John ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike rosz" <mikenguy9@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Project for my layout what happens to the cars after they dump? where are they dumping? Iremember seeing this when they were loading ore boats in Sandusky Ohio. really interesting.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49669	From: Glenn	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: NEXT YEARS NASG CONVENTION

August 4-8, 2009 2009 NASG National Convention, St. Louis, MO, hotel: Marriott St. Louis Airport, hosted by the American Flyer S Gaugers in the St. Louis Area (AFSGSLA) and St. Louis Area Narrow Gaugers (SLANG). Next Year's NASG Convention Posted by: "tennsgauge@..." tennsgauge@... tennsgauger Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:06 am (PDT) Was a decision made about the location of next year's NASG Convention? I have not seen a report about that. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49670	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: AF Bay Window/Cupola Caboose Prototype--NOT

I recently spotted a caboose on a siding in Raleigh, NC that had both side bays and a cupola.  It was marked for the Georgia Southwestern Railroad as GSWR2001. Could this have been the prototype for the American Flyer bay window caboose with a cupola? This caboose had no builder plate (that I could find) on it, so I wrote to the Georgia Southwestern Railroad to get further information. This is their reply: The GSWR 2001 was not constructed with both bay windows and a cupola; the protrusions on the side that appear to be sealed up bay windows were actually installed by the GSWR to allow sufficient space to the hold generator located beneath the cupola on one side; the other side was for appearance.  The GSWR acquired the caboose in 1999 from a private owner in Kansas City – it is a former BNSF (i.e. BN) unit built in 1972.  GSWR used the caboose for marketing trips on the Railroad, until in 2002 it acquired a full size passenger car for this purpose.   The caboose was sold last year to a private party.  Hope this solves the mystery.  Dave Smoot, VP  GSW Railroad So, this is NOT a prototype after all, but it is the closest thing that I have seen and may explain some other sightings.  To see pictures of this caboose, go to: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2de6%c2%a0 JoeJoe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ###DesPlaines Hobbies### S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49671	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: AF Bay Window/Cupola Caboose Prototype--NOT

----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haenn I recently spotted a caboose on a siding in Raleigh, NC that had both side bays and a cupola. . . . . . .. Could this have been the prototype for the American Flyer bay window caboose with a cupola?. . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > It certainly could be, except for a few minor points. The photos show no evidence of any bay windows. The extra width of the extended vision coupola has been carried down to the bottom of the car body, but there are no windows at bay-window level for side or forward/rear vision. The reason for that would be a puzzlement, had not Mr Smoot explained it. The car is very much of the Extended Vision type, as sold in S scale by S-Helper Service. Their prototype was made by the International Car Company for the C&O in 1968. AF was already kaput in 1968. Modifications unique to this car include the above-discussed side extensions and the windows. Those stepped windows suggest it is or was a "theatre car," having tiered seating for company officials, prospective shippers, or anyone else to view the track as the car rolls along. Having said all that, if anyone's still reading, it would make an interesting project to start with an SHS caboose and model this car. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49672	From: G C	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: AF Bay Window/Cupola Caboose Prototype--NOT

Thanks Joe,   Well. we can file this with a few other recent ideas for bashing our Flyer cabooses. They are as follows.   1.Remove the bay window and add another 'normal' window to make an Ann Arbor style car. Those have the offset streamlined cupola as well.   2. Remove the bay window and add a side door in its place. That would be different!   3.Leave the bay window on, but lower the cupola down closer to the roof. One railroad actually had one like that. Can't remember why; maybe they were just bored one day.   4.Remove the cupola entirely (probably a bit more difficult requiring some sort of 'fill in patch').   5. And finally and probably most important to most, just leave it alone and have fun with it. You can make up a story why your railroad has such an unusual caboose. Remember Model Railroading is Fun Fun Fun.   Gene Cimino Living the good life in snack food city, Hanover, PA    Member in Good Standing of "the Brotherhood of Bashers" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49673	From: afjerryk5	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: AF bay window/cupola caboose-almost

On a recent trip to Topeka IN to visit in-laws,I noticed the restored caboose next to the old depot(also restored).This car seems to be about the same length as the AF b/w cupola car.The roof line and cupola are very similar to the AF version.It has no bay window,and the windows on the sides are smaller.It is painted red and lettered for the Wabash.Will try to get a picture and info next time up there. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49674	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: AF bay window/cupola caboose-almost

----- Original Message ----- From: afjerryk5 On a recent trip to Topeka IN to visit in-laws,I noticed the restored caboose next to the old depot. . . . . . .The roof line and cupola are very similar to the AF version. It has no bay window. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > Did it look anything like this? http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wab/wab-c2822bmf.jpg Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49675	From: G C	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: AF bay window/cupola caboose-almost

I certainly think it does Tom. What a beauty you have there. A modified Flyer would make a beautiful Wabash model with  that paint scheme. I'm not sure but N&W might have had this style as well. Maybe that was one they inherited though. Did they not take over the Wabash?   Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49676	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals?

I have so many projects in moth ball I am going broke buying the mothball. --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Marty.Thorin <thorin.marty@...> wrote: From: Marty.Thorin <thorin.marty@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Nelson" <navy.seal@...> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:02 PM Dear Bob: I do not know where to get the decals you seek. These are the Union Pacific colors. However, I got my E-Unit decals from Des Plaines Hobbies for a project that has been mothballed for a few years. (No one else has EVER had a mothballed project? Right?!?) Thorin ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Source for Milwaukee Road Passenger Car Decals? Posted by: "Robert Nelson" navy.seal@cox. net udt.seal Date: Wed Aug 6, 2008 12:29 pm ((PDT)) Can anyone help me? I'm looking for a source for S-scale Milwaukee Road passenger car decals. In particular, I would like to find decals for Milwaukee's 1957 and later yellow/gray/ red paint scheme passenger cars but if those are not available, I would then be interested in finding passenger car decals for Milwaukee's earlier orange/maroon/ gray passenger car livery. Anyone know of a source for these decals? Regards, Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49677	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: New layout photo album

wish some one in my area would offer this.  I wish there was a ' S ' club, with a layout. --- On Thu, 8/7/08, bw_hansen <bwhanse1@...> wrote: From: bw_hansen <bwhanse1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New layout photo album To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 6:34 PM I have posted some photos of my meager 9x12 train room setup in "Bruce's Trains". It is one main loop with two passing sidings and an innner industrial loop. The industrial loop has two log loaders (only one is in the current photo), lumber yard spur for Moe and Joe, a mail pickup for the Plasticville Post Office, a barrel loader (now a Flyer model has replaced the "O" scale clunker I started with)and the oil depot. I also collect Erector stuff so the bridge across the door opening was a natural. Some day I'll rig up a motor to lift it. I can let one train just run around and do switching on the inner loop. I'm really enjoying running trains for the first time on my own layout. If anybody in the San Jose area wants to play with the trains drop me a note. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49678	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Streamline cupola caboose

----- Original Message ----- From: G C . . . . . A modified Flyer would make a beautiful Wabash model with that paint scheme. > > > > > > > > > I've seen it done using Flyer cupola and Industrial Rail caboose body. < < < < < < < < < I'm not sure but N&W might have had this style as well. > > > > > > > > > Yes, and also the Ann Arbor. See http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/aa/aa2845amh.jpg Ann Arbor S scale modellers have wished for years for such a caboose. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49679	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: S Scalers In North Georgia?

ROLL CALL!!! Just curious... ... how many "active" S scalers (scale or other) are there in or around the Atlanta, GA area? I will be moving to Fayetteville, GA (about 20-25 miles south of Atlanta) as soon as out house sells (possibly very soon if things go right!), so I'd like to know who all is out there... how many comrades I'll have within a 1 hour drive of Fayetteville in ANY direction!? Feel free to reply to the list or direct to me at : scaler164@... As they say in the south... "See y'all soon!" John Degnan Scaler164@... Does "Out of sight, out of mind" mean "Blind and crazy?" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49680	From: G C	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Streamline cupola caboose

I suppose that is the joy of free lancing. You can incorporate 'cast offs' that would ordinarily have never been seen on the same road. I do like my stuff to be prototypical or as close to the original as possible. Take for example the Flyer gondolas, they were designed after the Texas and Pacific's. Go Figure! Why would Gilbert in New Haven ever have picked that prototype? Boxcars were PRR early X29s and the two-bay offset hoppers were L&NE. My Great Coastal and Western is going to have quite a mix of rolling stock before it is all said and done. Again, MRR is fun! Right? Gosh I hope so-------   G.C.  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49681	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: AF bay window/cupola caboose-almost

My feeling still is that Flyer had plans for two. One like this and the other with the bay window. To cut costs, the two were merged into one product. So, while there is a chance that somebody, someplace may have built a 12 inches = 1 foot model, I don't think Gilbert had a prototype they copied. The wide vision caboose is what served to get the same effect for the railroads that wanted the best of both worlds. jfred --- On Tue, 8/12/08, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: G C <ecphora123@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF bay window/cupola caboose-almost To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 8:01 PM I certainly think it does Tom. What a beauty you have there. A modified Flyer would make a beautiful Wabash model with  that paint scheme. I'm not sure but N&W might have had this style as well. Maybe that was one they inherited though. Did they not take over the Wabash?   Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49682	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: S Scalers In North Georgia?

John, Good luck with the move to Fayetteville, I sure hope you all can get a house with inside plumbing this time.... Good luck gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: John Degnan To: POST : (S) S-Trains Group ; POST : (S) SSTOT Group ; POST : (S) SSPM Group ; POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group ; POST : (S) S-Scale Group ; POST : (S) s-modular Group ; POST : (S) S-Mod Group ; POST : (S) one64brass Group ; POST : (S) Free-moS Group Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Scalers In North Georgia? ROLL CALL!!! Just curious... ... how many "active" S scalers (scale or other) are there in or around the Atlanta, GA area? I will be moving to Fayetteville, GA (about 20-25 miles south of Atlanta) as soon as out house sells (possibly very soon if things go right!), so I'd like to know who all is out there... how many comrades I'll have within a 1 hour drive of Fayetteville in ANY direction!? Feel free to reply to the list or direct to me at : scaler164@... As they say in the south... "See y'all soon!" John Degnan Scaler164@... Does "Out of sight, out of mind" mean "Blind and crazy?" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49683	From: afjerryk5	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: caboose almost

Tom,I think we have a winner. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49684	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: It ain't prototypical! ;-)

Okay, okay, even though I still think I saw a "real" Gilbert cupola/bay window streamlined caboose, until a photo appears of this rare animal I'll just chalk it up to false memory. Of course, that won't stop me from running one on my various display layouts, which together make up the big layout I don't have room for. With my reputation for butchery, that won't come as a shock to anyone, now will it? (-: When I was in HO, N, and some of the narrow gauges over the years, I ran afoul of "rivet counters" preaching to me that "I couldn't do this or that." Being of a more imaginative, fun loving bent, this grated on my nerves to the point that I have come to greatly resent many "scale snobs/rivet counters", whatever. Not because they weren't right, or because they could do superb work, but because most of them had the attitude that anyone "not doing it right" was a lower form of life. They couldn't grasp that someone who knew about the prototype and could model would want to do things any different that they did! After my various well known medical mis-adventures, I decided to say the hell with them and do what I wanted! Having said that, I still follow real railroad history and technology, but I don't let it stifle creativity and fun. So, I don't care if you folks out there in the ether don't believe me when I tell you that I had supper with Elvis and Bigfoot on a Flying Saucer last night while we discussed the prototype for Atlantean nuclear fired steam loco! Hah! There, I've said it, and I feel better! ;-) Stumpy Stone...off my medication again in Appalachia. :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49685	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-)

Stumpy -   You aren't too far from reality, the Atomic Energy Commission had plans in the 50's or 60's for peacetime applications of nuclear technology. These included a nuclear powered cruise ship named the "Savannah" a nuclear powered railway locomotive (artist concept looked like an elongated F3)  (no whining about $4 diesel cost either), and projects to use nuclear explosions to create a sea level canal to replace the Panama Canal and my personal favorites - using nuclear explosions to drill a freeway tunnel through the mountains north of LA to provide a level route on the way to San Francisco, and to put a nuclear power plant on the eastern fringes of LA with some of the power to be used to power huge fans for both cooling the reactor and blowing the smog up to the higher layers of the atmosphere to let the LA folks breath cool clean air sucked in off the ocean. For those concerned about environmental impacts of global warming, spend a little time thinking about blowing nuclear heated smog into the upper atmosphere layers.   Maybe there are some pieces of information about the locomotive idea on the net somewhere in the Energy Department archives, or maybe I was also at Stumpy's meeting on the flying saucer.   Bill Drake  --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] It ain't prototypical! ;-) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 9:43 AM Okay, okay, even though I still think I saw a "real" Gilbert cupola/bay window streamlined caboose, until a photo appears of this rare animal I'll just chalk it up to false memory. Of course, that won't stop me from running one on my various display layouts, which together make up the big layout I don't have room for. With my reputation for butchery, that won't come as a shock to anyone, now will it? (-: When I was in HO, N, and some of the narrow gauges over the years, I ran afoul of "rivet counters" preaching to me that "I couldn't do this or that." Being of a more imaginative, fun loving bent, this grated on my nerves to the point that I have come to greatly resent many "scale snobs/rivet counters", whatever. Not because they weren't right, or because they could do superb work, but because most of them had the attitude that anyone "not doing it right" was a lower form of life. They couldn't grasp that someone who knew about the prototype and could model would want to do things any different that they did! After my various well known medical mis-adventures, I decided to say the hell with them and do what I wanted! Having said that, I still follow real railroad history and technology, but I don't let it stifle creativity and fun. So, I don't care if you folks out there in the ether don't believe me when I tell you that I had supper with Elvis and Bigfoot on a Flying Saucer last night while we discussed the prototype for Atlantean nuclear fired steam loco! Hah! There, I've said it, and I feel better! ;-) Stumpy Stone...off my medication again in Appalachia. :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49686	From: Scaler164@comcast.net	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: S Scalers In North Georgia?

All kidding aside, the house I grew up in was built in 1906 WITHOUT plumbing OR electric! See below : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MELDRIM/Crawford_House_00.jpg http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MELDRIM/Crawford_House_01.jpg Not sure what year those photos were taken... but the OUTDOOR plumbing (the outhouse) was intact until at least the mid 1960s! John Degnan scaler164@... -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> > John, > > Good luck with the move to Fayetteville, I sure hope you all can get a house > with inside plumbing this time.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49687	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-)

Stumpy,   I couldn't agree more. I enjoy repainting/redecaling old Flyer to suit my tastes. I really don't give a fat rat's patoot that my Central of New Jersey pacific doesn't have a Wooten firebox or that the window pattern of my redecorated cabooses ( cabeese?) isn't correct for railroad x, y, or z. It's my world, my railroad and I'm having fun. If counting rivets is someones idea of fun, God bless "em, but don't rain on my parade. Like you, I have had some serious, even life threatening medical issues over the last several years so now it's time to kick back and enjoy and not stress over little things. Oh, say hi to Bigfoot, it's been a while.   Bob Hendrickson   fully medicated in central Jersey     Wed, 8/13/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] It ain't prototypical! ;-) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 9:43 AM Okay, okay, even though I still think I saw a "real" Gilbert cupola/bay window streamlined caboose, until a photo appears of this rare animal I'll just chalk it up to false memory. Of course, that won't stop me from running one on my various display layouts, which together make up the big layout I don't have room for. With my reputation for butchery, that won't come as a shock to anyone, now will it? (-: When I was in HO, N, and some of the narrow gauges over the years, I ran afoul of "rivet counters" preaching to me that "I couldn't do this or that." Being of a more imaginative, fun loving bent, this grated on my nerves to the point that I have come to greatly resent many "scale snobs/rivet counters", whatever. Not because they weren't right, or because they could do superb work, but because most of them had the attitude that anyone "not doing it right" was a lower form of life. They couldn't grasp that someone who knew about the prototype and could model would want to do things any different that they did! After my various well known medical mis-adventures, I decided to say the hell with them and do what I wanted! Having said that, I still follow real railroad history and technology, but I don't let it stifle creativity and fun. So, I don't care if you folks out there in the ether don't believe me when I tell you that I had supper with Elvis and Bigfoot on a Flying Saucer last night while we discussed the prototype for Atlantean nuclear fired steam loco! Hah! There, I've said it, and I feel better! ;-) Stumpy Stone...off my medication again in Appalachia. :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49688	From: Grant	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout

I must say after spending the 1st 17 years of my life in Toledo; I never spent a Saturday night watching coal get loaded but compared to most things around Toledo - it would be right at the top of the 'things to do' list! In Sandusky that's another story since Cedar Point is one of my favorite places to scream. Pretty cool steam train that ran around the park but no idea if it is still there Grant --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > Hi Mike > > After the cars dump they will be pushed out of the dumper probably down a > ramp > into a siding waiting to be picked up. They will be dumping into a pit that > I hope to > be able to use a " behind the scenes" conveyor to refill the coal loading > tower. > For now I am just concentrating on getting the dumper built and working. > > I would like to try and get down to a coal fired generating facility in > Toledo, OH that > has a working rotary dumper to see it in action. > > Thanks for the interest > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike rosz" <mikenguy9@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:31 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Project for my layout > > > what happens to the cars after they dump? > where are they dumping? > > Iremember seeing this when they were loading ore boats in Sandusky Ohio. > really interesting. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49689	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-)

You need help, Stumpy, but we love ya. I was born and raised in West Virginia, what is counting anyway? Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: mrstumpy@...: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:43:30 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] It ain't prototypical! ;-) Okay, okay, even though I still think I saw a "real" Gilbert cupola/bay window streamlined caboose, until a photo appears of this rare animal I'll just chalk it up to false memory.Of course, that won't stop me from running one on my various display layouts, which together make up the big layout I don't have room for. With my reputation for butchery, that won't come as a shock to anyone, now will it? (-:When I was in HO, N, and some of the narrow gauges over the years, I ran afoul of "rivet counters" preaching to me that "I couldn't do this or that." Being of a more imaginative, fun loving bent, this grated on my nerves to the point that I have come to greatly resent many "scale snobs/rivet counters", whatever. Not because they weren't right, or because they could do superb work, but because most of them had the attitude that anyone "not doing it right" was a lower form of life. They couldn't grasp that someone who knew about the prototype and could model would want to do things any different that they did!After my various well known medical mis-adventures, I decided to say the hell with them and do what I wanted! Having said that, I still follow real railroad history and technology, but I don't let it stifle creativity and fun.So, I don't care if you folks out there in the ether don't believe me when I tell you that I had supper with Elvis and Bigfoot on a Flying Saucer last night while we discussed the prototype for Atlantean nuclear fired steam loco! Hah! There, I've said it, and I feel better! ;-)Stumpy Stone...off my medication again in Appalachia. :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49690	From: Bill Lohr	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Lionel Big Boy

I have ordered the Lionel Big Boy engine and was wondering if anyone knows when that will be out. I know that September was the due date but my guess is that it will not be then. Thanks for your help and I look forward to any information you may have on this.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49691	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy

The latest update I have received is September 30. Clay Kinsner Lone Star Tranis & Collectibles San Antonio, TX 210-655-4665 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Lohr [mailto:coasterbill@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 01:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Big Boy I have ordered the Lionel Big Boy engine and was wondering if anyone knows when that will be out. I know that September was the due date but my guess is that it will not be then. Thanks for your help and I look forward to any information you may have on this. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49692	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy

The date I have from Charles Ro is December. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lohr Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Big Boy I have ordered the Lionel Big Boy engine and was wondering if anyone knows when that will be out. I know that September was the due date but my guess is that it will not be then. Thanks for your help and I look forward to any information you may have on this. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49693	From: Phil K	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Grant" <gwbishop@...> wrote: > > I must say after spending the 1st 17 years of my life in Toledo; I > never spent a Saturday night watching coal get loaded but compared to > most things around Toledo - it would be right at the top of the > 'things to do' list! > Grant Two videos showing same: http://tinyurl.com/5nw9dk and http://tinyurl.com/6922a9 Enjoy! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49694	From: John	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: New Project for my layout

Thanks Phil /Grant for the video links. That is where I got a lot of my info and ideas from, YouTube. I think I have downloaded every dumper video I found on there. I had written to several dumper manufactures asking for info and just got the cold shoulder from them. I have been in and around Toledo my whole life (53 years) and have seen enough of it that watching coal dump would be fun to watch. Not that I would spend a Saturday night doing it but defiantly a Saturday or Sunday afternoon!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Project for my layout > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Grant" <gwbishop@...> wrote: >> >> I must say after spending the 1st 17 years of my life in Toledo; I >> never spent a Saturday night watching coal get loaded but compared to >> most things around Toledo - it would be right at the top of the >> 'things to do' list! >> Grant > > Two videos showing same: > > http://tinyurl.com/5nw9dk > > and > > http://tinyurl.com/6922a9 > > Enjoy! > > Phil K > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49695	From: lou342ac	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy

Lionel web site has the delivery date 12/08. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Lohr" <coasterbill@...> wrote: > > I have ordered the Lionel Big Boy engine and was wondering if anyone > knows when that will be out. I know that September was the due date > but my guess is that it will not be then. Thanks for your help and I > look forward to any information you may have on this. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49696	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Scoreboard

I found some 1/2" lettering and numbers, press on, in white for the scoreboard. 1/2" is about 2.5 ft in scale, so that should be fine. Also, 1/8" stripping for any lines. You can find anything on the net. Nat's losing 10 to 0, against Mets, so time to install the wiring on the log loader that came today and listen to the new CD's I got in the mail today, instead of the Nat's. I have to pick out music for the ballpark. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49697	From: len_hall	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Lionel BigBoy

Does anyone know if there is any difference between the Bigboy in the current versus the previous catalog other than road name and if so, what? Len

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49698	From: David Engle	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-)

I remember Popular Science carrying an article about a nuclear locomotive--it sure looked a lot like a UP 2-unit turbine, except one of them as big a bulge as clearances would allow in the middle--maybe that was where the reactor would have been. Probably would have not needed the monster exhaust the turbines had. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Drake To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] It ain't prototypical! ;-) Stumpy - You aren't too far from reality, the Atomic Energy Commission had plans in the 50's or 60's for peacetime applications of nuclear technology. These included a nuclear powered cruise ship named the "Savannah" a nuclear powered railway locomotive (artist concept looked like an elongated F3) (no whining about $4 diesel cost either), and projects to use nuclear explosions to create a sea level canal to replace the Panama Canal and my personal favorites - using nuclear explosions to drill a freeway tunnel through the mountains north of LA to provide a level route on the way to San Francisco, and to put a nuclear power plant on the eastern fringes of LA with some of the power to be used to power huge fans for both cooling the reactor and blowing the smog up to the higher layers of the atmosphere to let the LA folks breath cool clean air sucked in off the ocean. For those concerned about environmental impacts of global warming, spend a little time thinking about blowing nuclear heated smog into the upper atmosphere layers. Maybe there are some pieces of information about the locomotive idea on the net somewhere in the Energy Department archives, or maybe I was also at Stumpy's meeting on the flying saucer. Bill Drake --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] It ain't prototypical! ;-) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 9:43 AM Okay, okay, even though I still think I saw a "real" Gilbert cupola/bay window streamlined caboose, until a photo appears of this rare animal I'll just chalk it up to false memory. Of course, that won't stop me from running one on my various display layouts, which together make up the big layout I don't have room for. With my reputation for butchery, that won't come as a shock to anyone, now will it? (-: When I was in HO, N, and some of the narrow gauges over the years, I ran afoul of "rivet counters" preaching to me that "I couldn't do this or that." Being of a more imaginative, fun loving bent, this grated on my nerves to the point that I have come to greatly resent many "scale snobs/rivet counters", whatever. Not because they weren't right, or because they could do superb work, but because most of them had the attitude that anyone "not doing it right" was a lower form of life. They couldn't grasp that someone who knew about the prototype and could model would want to do things any different that they did! After my various well known medical mis-adventures, I decided to say the hell with them and do what I wanted! Having said that, I still follow real railroad history and technology, but I don't let it stifle creativity and fun. So, I don't care if you folks out there in the ether don't believe me when I tell you that I had supper with Elvis and Bigfoot on a Flying Saucer last night while we discussed the prototype for Atlantean nuclear fired steam loco! Hah! There, I've said it, and I feel better! ;-) Stumpy Stone...off my medication again in Appalachia. :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49699	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Big Boy

Hi Bill, That train sold out fast, and there is only a few of them to get out there to some of us. My hat's off to you for getting one. I had one on order, but Lionel sent a postcard to the store to let them know that my order was being droped due to no stock. There is only a few train going to the stores, and that number was cut back. I hope you didn't just put your order in. Also the last cars in the catalog for 2008 I didn't care for. I would like to know why Lionel can't get it together or split off AF to make what we want. Lionel just seem to be sitting on there hands when it comes to making any AF trains. Two to three pages in the catalog.... What's that? Clayton S. D. Oregon --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Bill Lohr <coasterbill@...> wrote: > From: Bill Lohr <coasterbill@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Big Boy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:50 AM > I have ordered the Lionel Big Boy engine and was wondering > if anyone > knows when that will be out. I know that September was the > due date > but my guess is that it will not be then. Thanks for your > help and I > look forward to any information you may have on this.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49700	From: roy inman	Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel BigBoy

One and the same, according to the Flyonel Meisters on the list. I also understand that since the BB was sold out (apparently oversold in fact), it really should not have appeared in the most recent appearance. Roy Inman From: len_hall <len_hall@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:43:44 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel BigBoy Does anyone know if there is any difference between the Bigboy in the current versus the previous catalog other than road name and if so, what? Len [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49701	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: MTH/KMT Lawsuit Settled

GREAT NEWS!!!  I just found out from my contact that the Korean Brass and MTH lawsuit has now been settled.  The Lionel S-2 Switcher and our ESE Hudson should be shipping very soon and the BigBoy may not be far behind.  So we may actually see this engine before Christmas. Joe  Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ###DesPlaines Hobbies### S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49702	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel BigBoy

When I read the description in the 2008, vol. 2 catalog, I took it to mean that it was now being offered with the Legacy system installed. No? I have one on order, and haven't heard anything about it being sold out, just behind schedule. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "len_hall" <len_hall@...> > Does anyone know if there is any difference between the Bigboy in the > current versus the previous catalog other than road name and if so, > what? > > Len > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49703	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-)

Dear Stumpy: In the early 1950s Model Railroader reviewed a layout with a Nuclear Powered locomotive. It was a one-unit locomotive. Using memory, I think it was built from a UP's City of Los Angles steam turbine. The rear end was stretched with two trucks. The wheel arrangement was C-C+C. It had normal clearances. Obviously they did not worry much, then, about shielding or else thought shielding technology would change. Today the reactors are smaller and more efficient than ever. But the thickness of the shielding has not changed. If you were to take the 'super core' (core and shielding) and remove the true core, it would still be too high, wide, and heavy for rail application. But now just right for the Navy super destroyers. The correct way to use a nuclear reactor to power trains is with 25,000 or 50,000 volt AC catenary. Then the track-side power plant can be as big as needed to gain real operating efficiencies. (Can you say 'no diesel fuel'?) Stumpy, did you also dine with the abdominal snowman? What that guy eats makes me sick to my stomach. And you do not want to see what my wife's hairdresser did to the adorable snowman. Thorin, in (currently) snow free Milwaukee Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-) Posted by: "David Engle" RIRocket@... Date: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:47 pm ((PDT)) I remember Popular Science carrying an article about a nuclear locomotive--it sure looked a lot like a UP 2-unit turbine, except one of them as big a bulge as clearances would allow in the middle--maybe that was where the reactor would have been. Probably would have not needed the monster exhaust the turbines had.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49704	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Last Accessory Wired

My last accessory was just wired, the famous AF cow on track, as I have a appointment in 2 hours to have a meniscus tear repaired in my knee. I keep AF and Doctors repairing busy. LOL See you on the other side. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49705	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: BigBoy--Delivery Date Undetermined

Posted by: "Bill Lohr" coasterbill@...   CoasterBill Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:58 pm (PDT) I have ordered the Lionel Big Boy engine and was wondering if anyone knows when that will be out. I know that September was the due date but my guess is that it will not be then. Thanks for your help and I look forward to any information you may have on this. ############################################################################## According to my source, no one knows at this point exactly when the BigBoys will be delivered.  Lionel changed the delivery date from September to December, but even that is not assured.  It seems that this is held up by the MTH/Korean Brass lawsuit.  Even the the Lionel/MTH lawsuit has been settled, all monies for orders to Korean Brass from any and all companies have been put into escrow until their suit with MTH is settled.  Exactly when this will occur is not yet known.  However, it will eventually be produced. On a related note, the originally announced BigBoy and the newly announced BigBoy (in the most recent catalog) carry different catalog numbers.  Could this be due to the original having TMCC and the newest announced having Legacy, or will all be shipped as Legacy? Joe  Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ###DesPlaines Hobbies### S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49706	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Log Loader

I got a log loader this week, a MTH reproduction. It seems that after 2 or 3 logs on the log dump car, additional logs to be loaded roll off the car. Is this normal? Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49707	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: RE;re;It ain't prototypical ;-)

The Mothman and I were kinda' kicked back with a few cold ones last night, watching the Olympic Women's Beach Volleyball on his Tivo and commenting about their uniforms, when he brought up the fact that in his plane of reality they DID use nuclear explosions to dig a canal and bore tunnels! Mothman is really into model railroading, and has a basement filling empire depicting the Atlantis Railways. Jimmy Hoffa dropped by (he collects die cast trucks in a big way)and we changed the channel to History Channel's "Monster Quest" our all time favorite! I hope to get some more kit bashing done as soon as I get this jacket off with the sleaves that tie in the back. Stumpy...at Happy Acres.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49708	From: G C	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: RE;re;It ain't prototypical ;-)

It's O.K. Mr. Stumpy. Last night on the histerical channel, I saw the Cabooseasaurus stumpii on Jurasic Fight Club. The paleo guys say the bay window was some sort of defensive adaptation. Still attempting to figure out how I'm going to put that Flyer mechanism under that Industrial Rail engine. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49709	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49710	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: S Scale interiors

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49711	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-)

Probably just as well it was not built. With toxic loads being regularly derailed on US railroads and disasters wiping out roadside villages a mobile Chernobyl beggars description! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marty.Thorin Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-) Dear Stumpy: In the early 1950s Model Railroader reviewed a layout with a Nuclear Powered locomotive. It was a one-unit locomotive. Using memory, I think it was built from a UP's City of Los Angles steam turbine. The rear end was stretched with two trucks. The wheel arrangement was C-C+C. It had normal clearances. Obviously they did not worry much, then, about shielding or else thought shielding technology would change. Today the reactors are smaller and more efficient than ever. But the thickness of the shielding has not changed. If you were to take the 'super core' (core and shielding) and remove the true core, it would still be too high, wide, and heavy for rail application. But now just right for the Navy super destroyers. The correct way to use a nuclear reactor to power trains is with 25,000 or 50,000 volt AC catenary. Then the track-side power plant can be as big as needed to gain real operating efficiencies. (Can you say 'no diesel fuel'?) Stumpy, did you also dine with the abdominal snowman? What that guy eats makes me sick to my stomach. And you do not want to see what my wife's hairdresser did to the adorable snowman. Thorin, in (currently) snow free Milwaukee Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-) Posted by: "David Engle" RIRocket@kc. <mailto:RIRocket%40kc.rr.com> rr.com Date: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:47 pm ((PDT)) I remember Popular Science carrying an article about a nuclear locomotive--it sure looked a lot like a UP 2-unit turbine, except one of them as big a bulge as clearances would allow in the middle--maybe that was where the reactor would have been. Probably would have not needed the monster exhaust the turbines had. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:20 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49712	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Engieer Bill

I don't know if any of you remember, but this came across my computer today. Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ Engineer Bill (Stulla) died today Red Light, Green light, RIP JonC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49713	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Vehicles...

In the latest Fairfield Mint catalogue, they are offering a six-car 1:64 package for $44.99 consisting of the following: '54 Merc, '53 Olds, ''55 Pontiac, '51 Ford, '54 Chevy, and '57 Ford. Nice white-walls; no racing tires. Item #10002CF. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49714	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: It isn't prototypical! ;-)

To all: My apologies. My wife has forcefully corrected me. "And you do not want to see what my wife's hairdresser did to the adorable snowWOMAN." Fresh snow would be good for my new lump. Thorin Re: It ain't prototypical! ;-) Posted by: "Marty.Thorin" thorin.marty@... we9310 Date: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:49 am ((PDT)) Dear Stumpy: <Snip> Stumpy, did you also dine with the abdominal snowman? What that guy eats makes me sick to my stomach. And you do not want to see what my wife's hairdresser did to the adorable snowman. Thorin, in (currently) snow free Milwaukee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49715	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel BigBoy

If you would like to see the postcard I can ask to copy it and send it to you. If it has not been tost out at the hobby shop. Clayton S D Oregon --- On Thu, 8/14/08, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: > From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel BigBoy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc: "len_hall" <len_hall@...> > Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 9:55 AM > When I read the description in the 2008, vol. 2 catalog, I > took it to mean that it was now being offered with the > Legacy system installed. No? > > I have one on order, and haven't heard anything about > it being sold out, just behind schedule. > > Jim E. > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "len_hall" <len_hall@...> > > Does anyone know if there is any difference between > the Bigboy in the > > current versus the previous catalog other than road > name and if so, > > what? > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49716	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: re;It's ain't prototypical...

Doctor Houdini came by and showed me how to get out of my new jacket with the long sleeves this morning, so I'm back on line. You know, I've been thinking about your defensive adaptation Gene...Those bay windows on the cupola/bay window caboose remind me of those turn of the century Dreadnought ships or WWI tanks with the side gun turrets! Perhaps a couple of machine guns sticking out the bay windows? Maybe cut the roof off the cupola and have a guy standing up there with a telescope, checking the way ahead? As to nuclear locomotives...Yes, you guys are right, I remember the "artist's conception" of a possible atomic train. However, the shielding problem may not be as severe as you think. International Electro Magnetics Corp. has recently been working on a new process for shielding small amounts of nuclear material. They, for lack of a better description, "solidify electricity" into a compound called Lunarium. It is highly experimental, but computer models say it should work. And if you believe that pile of B.S. I got other stories for you! Stumpy...having great fun in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49717	From: Trains	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks

You must have an O gauge AF Pacific...they are known to have a die-cast problem with front pilot wheels (disintegartion brittleness). There are replacement wheels from various AF/O suppliers, it may be easier to replace entire pilot assembly. If you are not a purist, you could use some plastic S ga. pilot wheels , cheaper, easier to find and replace??? Peter Loeb, out in the very hot (100+) PNW

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49718	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks

Or an O gauge Hudson, Or an O gauge Atlantic, Or an O gauge Northern - and that is just in the 3/16th scale O gauge. There are many O gauge Flyers of all scales with die cast wheels that have problems. But I still love 'em! Alistair -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Trains Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:removing wheels from sintered iron trucks You must have an O gauge AF Pacific...they are known to have a die-cast problem with front pilot wheels (disintegartion brittleness). There are replacement wheels from various AF/O suppliers, it may be easier to replace entire pilot assembly. If you are not a purist, you could use some plastic S ga. pilot wheels , cheaper, easier to find and replace??? Peter Loeb, out in the very hot (100+) PNW ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1614 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:29 PM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49719	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Videos, NASG Hotel Layouts in Lowell MA

I. ====SUBJECT: Video of Model Railroad Layouts in DoubleTree Hotel in Lowell, Ma -- at the 2008 NASG (National Association Of S Gaugers) National Convention *1. Explanation: There are 3 amateur videos on Vimeo.com (similar to YouTube) that show bits and pieces of the layouts at the Doubletrees 2008 Convention Hotel in Lowell Massachusetts. *2. URL: http://www.vimeo.com/nasg. That URL takes you to a web page showing the Vimeo "Channel" named "nasg". Scroll down this page to find all 3 of the hotel videos. Note that Part 1 (first video you {hopefully} want to watch) is at the BOTTOM of the page (Pt 2 in middle, Pt 3 on top). There's a total of about 34 minutes for all 3 videos. * Alternate URL: You can also use RailVideos.org ( http:// RailVideos.org ). That link will forward you to a page on Track2.com, and you can find the heading "Aug 2008 Convention in Lowell MA", and there are links to the 3 individual 2008 Vimeo videos, and also the 8 YouTube videos from the 2007 Baltimore convention. * ((Note the video itself, lists a link track2.com/info/074 , which forwards you to the same web page.)) *3. STARTING/STOPPING PLAYBACK: The start/stop button and the Playhead/Time Indicator button dissappear once the video starts. To make them visible again, move your cursor around in the bottom of the video window, about 1/2" up from the bottom. - - - II. VIMEO -- ADDITIONAL COMMENTS =========================== *4. Why Vimeo: A knowledgeable Penn College video instructor told me about Vimeo, and I decided to try it. One big advantage over YouTube, seems to be that you are not restricted to 11 minutes length. With these hotel videos, the 1st two are about 13 minutes each. I can split them up in more logical places, by having a less restrictive time limit. *5. Experimenting: I'm new to Vimeo, so I'm basically BLUNDERING my way through getting these videos uploaded. Believe it or not, I have been almost continuously working on these, since I got home late last Sunday evening (GASP). This is somewhat of an experiment. I'd like to see them play a little bit smoother than they do. But they appear to play somewhat sharper than YouTube videos. One thing about this video stuff, in my opinion, it is mucho-COMPLICATED. I have been stumbling through the iMovie6 "expert" export settings to produce 640x480 size to upload, with the help of Vimeo tutorials. ((iMovie8 may have something easier, but I cannot use iMovie8, since I have a Mac G4 processor, and iMovie8 requires a newer Intel Mac processor.)) *6. Comparing Vimeo to YouTube: In summary, it appears Vimeo offers more capability then YouTube, but it's not as straight-forward to use as YouTube. I've been spending a lot of time stumbling through the Vimeo Help pages. *7. Short Video On YouTube: I will put a truncated 11 minute version of the 1st video segment on YouTube , but this will be done mainly to inform people who troll YouTube, that these 3 new videos exist, and hopefully get them redirected to view the whole 34 minutes on Vimeo. *8. More Advantages To Vimeo??: A 2nd Advantage: The video author can allow people to download the original full-size video as uploaded--see Para. 11 below. * A 3rd advantage appears to be that you can "re-upload" an updated version to the same URL, which you cannot do with YouTube (although from reading the Vimeo user forums, this seems to be buggy right now). *9. Future Layout Video??: I also have some bits and pieces of showing lots of peoples' heads (with a few glimpes of layouts in the background) from the Lowell bus tours, which I hope to get assembled someday, and thus create a layout video. - - - III. NOTES ON PLAYING VIMEO VIDEOS =========================== *10. Playback Progress Bars: Note in the playback bar at the bottom of the video where it shows the minutes and seconds, there is a bright blue bar that shows how much you have played, and a gray bar that shows how much is "buffered" to your computer. If the gray bar cannot stay ahead of the blue bar, you connection is not able to keep up. You may be able to Pause the video, and let it download for a while, then start playing it again. **11. Downloading the Original Video: You can download the original 640 x 480 Quicktime video that I uploaded. To do this, you need to create a Vimeo ID (fairly easy, just create a username using your email address, and a password). *Then after you are logged in to Vimeo, get the video on it's own individual page (you can't use the "channels" page. On the video's individual page, there should be a link in the bottom right corner that says "Downloads" & "Download Quicktime Version". *In theory, you could download the video on a dial-up connection, if you start it at 11 pm, and let it download all night. I'm not sure any of my videos are really worth downloading all night, but I wanted to mention this capability. *12. Jerkier Playback On Macs??: I hate to admit this, but the video seems to play a little smoother on my Windows XP Virus box than my Mac. There was a Vimeo forum entry discussing jerky playback in FireFox, and one of the staff noted the following: "we do encoded videos at higher bitrate than most of the other services so that could partially account for the problem you are experiencing. in my experience, it's just the limitation of flash. particular the MAC version of flash is one of the biggest cpu- hogging, memory-leaking plugins that often cripples even the most powerful setups. i would suggest restarting your browser/mac and see if that helps to improve the performance." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49720	From: G C	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: re;It's ain't prototypical...

It would appear that Doctor Houdini forgot to up your Rx prior to removing the restraints. Anyway, I sometimes look at Fine Scale Modeler magazine that Kalmbach puts out. Occasionally, there is an article on some of the large German Railway guns that were used during WW2. I suppose that with a little imagination one could bash just about anything that came to mind. Keep dreaming the dream Stumpy. As I said before, we never know what we can do until we have done it! If we don't do it it won't happen!   Now does anyone know how to make a Reading Crusader or a C&O 490 out of a Flyer Bullet shell? Just Kidding - Or was I?   Gene ----- Original Message ---- From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:56:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:RE:re;It's ain't prototypical... Doctor Houdini came by and showed me how to get out of my new jacket with the long sleeves this morning, so I'm back on line. You know, I've been thinking about your defensive adaptation Gene...Those bay windows on the cupola/bay window caboose remind me of those turn of the century Dreadnought ships or WWI tanks with the side gun turrets! Perhaps a couple of machine guns sticking out the bay windows? Maybe cut the roof off the cupola and have a guy standing up there with a telescope, checking the way ahead? As to nuclear locomotives. ..Yes, you guys are right, I remember the "artist's conception" of a possible atomic train. However, the shielding problem may not be as severe as you think. International Electro Magnetics Corp. has recently been working on a new process for shielding small amounts of nuclear material. They, for lack of a better description, "solidify electricity" into a compound called Lunarium. It is highly experimental, but computer models say it should work. And if you believe that pile of B.S. I got other stories for you! Stumpy...having great fun in Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49721	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel BigBoy

What's on the postcard?  Any picture?  Can you scan it and email it to me for use on TheGilbertGallery.org?   Thanks.   Bob --- On Fri, 8/15/08, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel BigBoy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 5:45 AM If you would like to see the postcard I can ask to copy it and send it to you. If it has not been tost out at the hobby shop. Clayton S D Oregon --- On Thu, 8/14/08, jimensign50@ comcast.net <jimensign50@ comcast.net> wrote: > From: jimensign50@ comcast.net <jimensign50@ comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel BigBoy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Cc: "len_hall" <len_hall@yahoo. com> > Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 9:55 AM > When I read the description in the 2008, vol. 2 catalog, I > took it to mean that it was now being offered with the > Legacy system installed. No? > > I have one on order, and haven't heard anything about > it being sold out, just behind schedule. > > Jim E. > ------------ -- Original message ------------ --------- - > From: "len_hall" <len_hall@yahoo. com> > > Does anyone know if there is any difference between > the Bigboy in the > > current versus the previous catalog other than road > name and if so, > > what? > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49722	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: removing wheels from sintered iron trucks

I hve a 290 S

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49724	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Railway Guns

I've also wondered about railway guns during my years playing with trains. Some years ago, Revell made one in HO, as did AHM (same molds), and Rivarossi. And of course the Civil War style cannon has been done in O, S, and HO many times. Tanks and guns on flat cars are pretty common in most scales as well. If you're into the Civil War era, a large bore mortar like the one that laid seige to southern lines would be a good scratch building project. All it would take would be a pair of trucks, some stripwood and scribed balsa sheet to make a "floor" long enough to cover the trucks, and a small plastic bottle cut to length with a large washer glued to the open end for the gun face. The mount could be whipped up out of scrap plastic or balsa. But for really BIG guns, such as the WWI Coastal type, you might want to start with a depressed center flatcar with six wheel trucks. Use a piece of 1/2" plastic pipe for a barrel and build the mount out of a couple of girders from a Flyer flatcar. Baldwin Locomotive Works built a bunch of these for both World Wars and Battleship guns were mounted on them. In the cases of big railway guns, there was no swiveling mount possible, so they were aimed by being moved on curved tracks. A railway gun makes an interesting conversation piece on any layout. I promised the Doctor that I would take my medications.....I just didn't say when.... Stumpy Stone...letting my imagination run wild in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49725	From: G C	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Railway Guns

Mr. Stumpy, I��was reading this with great interest until I got to the last sentence. Did the Martians land? L.O.L. 'Wha Hapend' ??????! Gene ----- Original Message ---- From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:42:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Railway Guns I've also wondered about railway guns during my years playing with trains. Some years ago, Revell made one in HO, as did AHM (same molds), and Rivarossi. And of course the Civil War style cannon has been done in O, S, and HO many times. Tanks and guns on flat cars are pretty common in most scales as well. If you're into the Civil War era, a large bore mortar like the one that laid seige to southern lines would be a good scratch building project. All it would take would be a pair of trucks, some stripwood and scribed balsa sheet to make a "floor" long enough to cover the trucks, and a small plastic bottle cut to length with a large washer glued to the open end for the gun face. The mount could be whipped up out of scrap plastic or balsa. But for really BIG guns, such as the WWI Coastal type, you might want to start with a depressed center flatcar with six wheel trucks. Use a piece of 1/2" plastic pipe for a barrel and build the mount out of a couple of girders from ��!8%��iQ����v�������M�[Mf���r��Os�9e�� [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49726	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Railway Guns

Hi Gene, I thought maybe he dropped something..... gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "G C" <ecphora123@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Railway Guns Mr. Stumpy, I was reading this with great interest until I got to the last sentence. Did the Martians land? L.O.L. 'Wha Hapend' ??????! Gene ----- Original Message ---- From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:42:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Railway Guns I've also wondered about railway guns during my years playing with trains. Some years ago, Revell made one in HO, as did AHM (same molds), and Rivarossi. And of course the Civil War style cannon has been done in O, S, and HO many times. Tanks and guns on flat cars are pretty common in most scales as well. If you're into the Civil War era, a large bore mortar like the one that laid seige to southern lines would be a good scratch building project. All it would take would be a pair of trucks, some stripwood and scribed balsa sheet to make a "floor" long enough to cover the trucks, and a small plastic bottle cut to length with a large washer glued to the open end for the gun face. The mount could be whipped up out of scrap plastic or balsa. But for really BIG guns, such as the WWI Coastal type, you might want to start with a depressed center flatcar with six wheel trucks. Use a piece of 1/2" plastic pipe for a barrel and build the mount out of a couple of girders from ¹Å!8%?-iQ¤?"ìvÿú­¢íî-M»[MfØÐ¥r±ÞOsÄ9eËs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49727	From: Glenn	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: TOMS TURNOUTS

Hi Allen, Tom was not there on Thursday when I was there. His table was empty. I hope he made it the rest of the week. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Evans To: Mellon, Jay ; s-scale@yahoogroups.com ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Levy, A. L. ; Bushnell, Michael ; Guidroz, Mickey ; Janeski, Larry ; Maunz, Norman ; Perry ; Sykes, Lee ; Weller, Art Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 01:38 Subject: [S-Trains] TOMS TURNOUTS Did anyone see Tom's Turnouts at the NASG convention? I understand the new 3rd generation turnouts are really good. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:58 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49728	From: Glenn	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: VIMEO VIDEOS

Hi Jim, Thank you for posting these shots. I tried to leave a comment but I guess you have to join Vimeo to do so. Very well done. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings To: S-Trains Discussion List List ; Track2-RailNet-Listserver Listserver ; Cen Pa Mac Users Discussion- Listserver Cc: McCoy-Sam-Nasg-Pres ; Hasenzahl-Don-Bristol-Club ; Ormsbee-Charles-JVBrown ; Huffman-Bruce ; Kline-Art Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 20:53 Subject: [S-Trains] Videos, NASG Hotel Layouts in Lowell MA I. ====SUBJECT: Video of Model Railroad Layouts in DoubleTree Hotel in Lowell, Ma -- at the 2008 NASG (National Association Of S Gaugers) National Convention *1. Explanation: There are 3 amateur videos on Vimeo.com (similar to YouTube) that show bits and pieces of the layouts at the Doubletrees 2008 Convention Hotel in Lowell Massachusetts. *2. URL: http://www.vimeo.com/nasg. That URL takes you to a web page showing the Vimeo "Channel" named "nasg". Scroll down this page to find all 3 of the hotel videos. Note that Part 1 (first video you {hopefully} want to watch) is at the BOTTOM of the page (Pt 2 in middle, Pt 3 on top). There's a total of about 34 minutes for all 3 videos. * Alternate URL: You can also use RailVideos.org ( http:// RailVideos.org ). That link will forward you to a page on Track2.com, and you can find the heading "Aug 2008 Convention in Lowell MA", and there are links to the 3 individual 2008 Vimeo videos, and also the 8 YouTube videos from the 2007 Baltimore convention. * ((Note the video itself, lists a link track2.com/info/074 , which forwards you to the same web page.)) *3. STARTING/STOPPING PLAYBACK: The start/stop button and the Playhead/Time Indicator button dissappear once the video starts. To make them visible again, move your cursor around in the bottom of the video window, about 1/2" up from the bottom. - - - II. VIMEO -- ADDITIONAL COMMENTS =========================== *4. Why Vimeo: A knowledgeable Penn College video instructor told me about Vimeo, and I decided to try it. One big advantage over YouTube, seems to be that you are not restricted to 11 minutes length. With these hotel videos, the 1st two are about 13 minutes each. I can split them up in more logical places, by having a less restrictive time limit. *5. Experimenting: I'm new to Vimeo, so I'm basically BLUNDERING my way through getting these videos uploaded. Believe it or not, I have been almost continuously working on these, since I got home late last Sunday evening (GASP). This is somewhat of an experiment. I'd like to see them play a little bit smoother than they do. But they appear to play somewhat sharper than YouTube videos. One thing about this video stuff, in my opinion, it is mucho-COMPLICATED. I have been stumbling through the iMovie6 "expert" export settings to produce 640x480 size to upload, with the help of Vimeo tutorials. ((iMovie8 may have something easier, but I cannot use iMovie8, since I have a Mac G4 processor, and iMovie8 requires a newer Intel Mac processor.)) *6. Comparing Vimeo to YouTube: In summary, it appears Vimeo offers more capability then YouTube, but it's not as straight-forward to use as YouTube. I've been spending a lot of time stumbling through the Vimeo Help pages. *7. Short Video On YouTube: I will put a truncated 11 minute version of the 1st video segment on YouTube , but this will be done mainly to inform people who troll YouTube, that these 3 new videos exist, and hopefully get them redirected to view the whole 34 minutes on Vimeo. *8. More Advantages To Vimeo??: A 2nd Advantage: The video author can allow people to download the original full-size video as uploaded--see Para. 11 below. * A 3rd advantage appears to be that you can "re-upload" an updated version to the same URL, which you cannot do with YouTube (although from reading the Vimeo user forums, this seems to be buggy right now). *9. Future Layout Video??: I also have some bits and pieces of showing lots of peoples' heads (with a few glimpes of layouts in the background) from the Lowell bus tours, which I hope to get assembled someday, and thus create a layout video. - - - III. NOTES ON PLAYING VIMEO VIDEOS =========================== *10. Playback Progress Bars: Note in the playback bar at the bottom of the video where it shows the minutes and seconds, there is a bright blue bar that shows how much you have played, and a gray bar that shows how much is "buffered" to your computer. If the gray bar cannot stay ahead of the blue bar, you connection is not able to keep up. You may be able to Pause the video, and let it download for a while, then start playing it again. **11. Downloading the Original Video: You can download the original 640 x 480 Quicktime video that I uploaded. To do this, you need to create a Vimeo ID (fairly easy, just create a username using your email address, and a password). *Then after you are logged in to Vimeo, get the video on it's own individual page (you can't use the "channels" page. On the video's individual page, there should be a link in the bottom right corner that says "Downloads" & "Download Quicktime Version". *In theory, you could download the video on a dial-up connection, if you start it at 11 pm, and let it download all night. I'm not sure any of my videos are really worth downloading all night, but I wanted to mention this capability. *12. Jerkier Playback On Macs??: I hate to admit this, but the video seems to play a little smoother on my Windows XP Virus box than my Mac. There was a Vimeo forum entry discussing jerky playback in FireFox, and one of the staff noted the following: "we do encoded videos at higher bitrate than most of the other services so that could partially account for the problem you are experiencing. in my experience, it's just the limitation of flash. particular the MAC version of flash is one of the biggest cpu- hogging, memory-leaking plugins that often cripples even the most powerful setups. i would suggest restarting your browser/mac and see if that helps to improve the performance." ---------------------------------------------------------- --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49729	From: G C	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Railway Guns

Gale, Maybe it will appear in the next installment.  ----- Original Message ---- From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:24:53 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Railway Guns Hi Gene, I thought maybe he dropped something... .. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "G C" <ecphora123@yahoo. com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Railway Guns Mr. Stumpy, I was reading this with great interest until I got to the last sentence. Did the Martians land? L.O.L. 'Wha Hapend' ??????! Gene ----- Original Message ---- From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:42:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Railway Guns I've also wondered about railway guns during my years playing with trains. Some years ago, Revell made one in HO, as did AHM (same molds), and Rivarossi. And of course the Civil War style cannon has been done in O, S, and HO many times. Tanks and guns on flat cars are pretty common in most scales as well. If you're into the Civil War era, a large bore mortar like the one that laid seige to southern lines would be a good scratch building project. All it would take would be a pair of trucks, some stripwood and scribed balsa sheet to make a "floor" long enough to cover the trucks, and a small plastic bottle cut to length with a large washer glued to the open end for the gun face. The mount could be whipped up out of scrap plastic or balsa. But for really BIG guns, such as the WWI Coastal type, you might want to start with a depressed center flatcar with six wheel trucks. Use a piece of 1/2" plastic pipe for a barrel and build the mount out of a couple of girders from ¹Å!8%?-iQ¤?"ìvÿú­¢íî-M»[MfØÐ¥r±ÞOsÄ9eËs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49730	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Engieer Bill

For those who might have been influenced by Engineer Bill Stulla, this came from another friend of mine.. Enjoy! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ All, Growing up in SoCal, I watched Cartoon Express (Channel 9, KHJ TV) from the mid-1950's until the mid-1960's (ages 4 to 16). Despite the fact that I wanted to appear on the show during the 1950's, my parents never submitted the requisite postcard request which Engineer Bill used to receive in the form of the "kicked off" mail bag from a Santa Fe streamliner run by by "Casey Jones" (you all might remember the great camera shot from a between-the-rails pit shot looking up as a passenger train powered by a war bonnet-painted F7, streaked over the camera). Those of you who watched the show will remember that you'd hear diesel air horns and EMD 567's droning in the background and then Engineer Bill would announce that Casey Jones was high-balling through to deliver the mail. At that point, an RPO mail bag would "fly" (after being tossed by a stage hand) onto the set and Engineer Bill would catch the bag (which sometimes was tossed extra hard and would knock Engineer Bill off his stool). Bill would then open the mail bag and draw out two new postcards for two lucky kids to attend a future show; early on, each kid used to receive a freight car kit which they would build at home and then bring to the show to run on the layout. As a result of poor parenting, I never got to play Red Light, Green Light in glorious B&W on kinescope. Probably what is worse, I never got the feel the chills running up and down my spine while getting rewarded by "The Real Bell for engineers who never run a red light" while Engineer Bill (with wet milk still on the bandanna encircling his neck) would get "The Lead Bell for me and those who missed". Another great game that Engineer Bill had was, "The Big Whistle" which was a board with six (if memory serves) numbered valves, one of which was connected (out-of-direct-sight) to a real steam locomotive chime whistle while the other the other five valves were connected to a peanut whistle. The kids had to guess which numbered valve was connected to the Big Whistle with the winner(s) getting a prize. Personally, I think that "Red Light, Green Light" and/or "The Big Whistle" could be made into great reality TV shows - just imagine Ryan Seacrest spitting milk out or blowing the Big Whistle - truly instances wherein fantasy would recapitulate reality!!! <g> The 1950's show had a catchy theme song: Engineer Bill's Theme Song See her rollin' down the track, See her puffin' smoke so black--- Who's at the throttle? (Woo-Woo) that's Engineer Bill! See those drivers whirlin' 'round --- See that engine cover ground, Who's at the throttle? (Woo-Woo) That's Engineer Bill! From the round-house every day, He always get the right of way, Folks all know the whistle's cry. Means Engineer Bill is passing by. See her steamin' into town--- From the cab who's wavin' down, Who's at the throttle? (Woo-Woo) That's Engineer Bill! When they revamped the show in the early 1960's, they changed the opening footage to include the famous chase scene from the D.W. Griffith classic: "A Girl and Her Trust", shot in 1912 on the AT&SF Redondo Harbor Line (between Inglewood and RR-east of Lairport. Lairport is still a Station w/ the old (i.e., really old, jointed rail) siding remaining in use and located about 1/2 mile west of El Segundo Blvd - if you watch the movie closely you will see station hands standing on the station platform watching the camera car running on what is now Aviation Blvd (back then, I've heard that it was called Redondo Hermosa Road). The huge open field in the back ground is now LAX). That great pacing shot is an absolute classic as is the entire movie. I finally got an opportunity to meet Bill Stulla back in 1993, when I was supervising the construction of the Thousand Oaks Civic Arts Center. There was a non-profit organization set up to solicit contributions for the 2,000 seat performing arts theater; the non-profit was run by a gentlemen named Robert Johnson. One day we were shooting the beeze during lunch and Robert happened to tell me that he was formerly a Stage Manager at KHJ TV. I asked him if he ever knew Engineer Bill and he told me that Bill was a close friend and lived nearby in Westlake Village. Robert also told me some great stories about Flat Car Fred, Tank Car Ted and other behind-the-scenes personna who had worked on and contributed so much to the show. On friday afternoons after we had shut down for the day, I would give special behind-the-scenes construction tours to potential donors to the non-profit. One friday afternoon in late August, 1993, I was taking Robert and a group of donors on the man-lift twelve-stories up to the top of the fly tower, when Robert made a comment: "Eric, we know you have a lot of engineers working on this project, but today we brought along a real Engineer to meet you!". At that point, Engineer Bill stepped out from the back of the group wearing a hickory-stripped RR-cap, bandana and bib overalls and introduced himself. I quickly sped the group through the rest of the tour and then sat down with Bill and talked for about an hour. Bill was a very nice gentleman and was very pleased that his old fans still remembered him. After leaving television in the mid-1960's, he went into stock brokerage and did quite well. He was enjoying a very comfortable retirement. Bill confirmed that he was a terrible Red Light, Green Light player and that the scenes with him laughing and spitting milk out his nose, etc., were the result of Tank Car Ted and others playing gags and purposefully distracting him off-camera while he was trying to concentrate on the game. Bill gave me a hickory-stripped engineer's cap (gee, it only took me 39 years to get one after I first started watching the show in 1954) and and we took a picture together which Robert later had framed and autographed by Bill, and then had presented to me. I still have the picture. All in all, Bill Stulla was a very fine gentleman who loved the personna of Engineer Bill and loved entertaining kids. People like Engineer Bill, Sheriff John, Skipper Frank (Frank Herman left TV and opened up a Chicken Delight franchise in Laguna Beach; I went to school with his son Greg), Tom Hatten (in 1961, Tom opened the Scoop Deck retaurant and ice cream parlor located opposite the Hotel Laguna on Coast Hwy), Chucko, Bozo, et al, were all a huge part of the lives of those of us who were fortunate to grow up in SoCal in the 1950's-1960's. As Engineer Bill used to say at the close of each show, "Happy High-Balling, Engineers!!" Eric

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49731	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: PLASTICVILLE FOR SALE

HI, I have a bunch for sale, a few have boxes, and most of the parts are there.this is mostly operator quality. i have more then one of each so if you want a few of each one ask. contact me off list at lglumac@... thanks lou $12 each 3 or more $10 each hospitial, airport hanger,airport, hardware, post office,supermarket large and small gas station large and small,5&10,dinners,frosty bar littletown church, ranch houses,hotel hotel,chicken coup,nice church, fire dept, bank,fire station $5 each cape cods, schools, barns, rr signal bridge,large rr station, $3 each small rr stations, ponds, out houses $5 each, telephone poles $0.25 each, trees $0.50 each, crossing gates $0.50 each [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49732	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/17/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 17, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 2 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49733	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: VIMEO VIDEOS: Corrected Link

On Aug 16, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Glenn Ritter wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I noticed your link did > not work. It has a period > at the end. This is how > I got in: > http://www.vimeo.com/nasg > > Glenn Stupid mistake on my part. THANKS Glenn, for bringing to my attention. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49734	From: jim_marski	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Part needed- door for UP 24076 stockcar

If anyone has an extra door for a UP yellow 24076 stockcar, contact me off list Thanks, jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49735	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Railway guns

For pictures and construction tips of a Civil War era mortar car and railway battery, see my article in the February 2008 NASG Dispatch. These cars were also on display at the NASG convention in Lowell.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49736	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Invaders from Mars.....

Gee, guys...I don't have a clue what that mess at the bottom is! It didn't look like that when it left my computer. Maybe the Martians HAVE landed and have invaded Yahoo! I only get to look throughmy various Yahoo groups once a day in the morning. When Cindy gets up, she pretty much takes over the computer. Fortunately, you didn't miss much of my last message. I was ending it by explaining that railway guns don't require a swiveling gun mount. They were aimed by moving them along a section of specially laid curved track. This was the standard for all long range railway guns from the Civil War onward. The exceptioon to this were small guns and machine guns on armored trains. Uh.oh. got to get off now.....There's a green tentacle slithering out of my computer...it's reaching for me! Back...back you...aaaraarrrrrgggghhhhhhh....... Stumpy...in trouble...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49737	From: clayton deich	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel BigBoy

There is no photo is on the postcard all it said is the order is being dropped. --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel BigBoy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:37 PM > What's on the postcard?  Any picture?  Can you scan it > and email it to me for use on TheGilbertGallery.org? >   > Thanks. >   > Bob > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, clayton deich > <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel BigBoy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 5:45 AM > > > > > > > If you would like to see the postcard I can ask to copy it > and send it to you. If it has not been tost out at the hobby > shop. > > Clayton S D > Oregon > > --- On Thu, 8/14/08, jimensign50@ comcast.net > <jimensign50@ comcast.net> wrote: > > > From: jimensign50@ comcast.net <jimensign50@ > comcast.net> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel BigBoy > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, S-Trains@yahoogroup > s.com > > Cc: "len_hall" <len_hall@yahoo. com> > > Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 9:55 AM > > When I read the description in the 2008, vol. 2 > catalog, I > > took it to mean that it was now being offered with the > > Legacy system installed. No? > > > > I have one on order, and haven't heard anything > about > > it being sold out, just behind schedule. > > > > Jim E. > > ------------ -- Original message ------------ > --------- - > > From: "len_hall" <len_hall@yahoo. com> > > > Does anyone know if there is any difference > between > > the Bigboy in the > > > current versus the previous catalog other than > road > > name and if so, > > > what? > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49738	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: TOMS TURNOUTS

Tom was not there on Thursday when I was there. His table was empty. I hope he made it the rest of the week. Glenn Hello Everyone, We never made it to the convention. The Saturday before, I came down with Lyme disease and am still trying to recover. My wife called the hotel and asked them to leave a message with the registration desk. I really hated to miss the convention with it being in my backyard. I was also looking forward to getting feedback about new products you would like to see. We were ready to go with lots of product to sell and new brochures and several new prototypes to show. I would love to hear from those of you who made it to the show and went on the layout tours - please write and tell me about them. Thanks! Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/> www.tomsturnouts.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49739	From: daysend40	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: 1/64 Scale Decals

Hello: I am looking for 1/64 scale decals for Santa Fe GM F7A and B units. Both Red and Blue paint schemes. Any ideas? Thank You Joe Wagner trainmaster1940@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49740	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel BigBoy

Oh, well, thanks. --- On Sun, 8/17/08, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel BigBoy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 12:15 PM There is no photo is on the postcard all it said is the order is being dropped. --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel BigBoy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:37 PM > What's on the postcard?  Any picture?  Can you scan it > and email it to me for use on TheGilbertGallery. org? >   > Thanks. >   > Bob > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, clayton deich > <uvl97222@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: clayton deich <uvl97222@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel BigBoy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 5:45 AM > > > > > > > If you would like to see the postcard I can ask to copy it > and send it to you. If it has not been tost out at the hobby > shop. > > Clayton S D > Oregon > > --- On Thu, 8/14/08, jimensign50@ comcast.net > <jimensign50@ comcast.net> wrote: > > > From: jimensign50@ comcast.net <jimensign50@ > comcast.net> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel BigBoy > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, S-Trains@yahoogroup > s.com > > Cc: "len_hall" <len_hall@yahoo. com> > > Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 9:55 AM > > When I read the description in the 2008, vol. 2 > catalog, I > > took it to mean that it was now being offered with the > > Legacy system installed. No? > > > > I have one on order, and haven't heard anything > about > > it being sold out, just behind schedule. > > > > Jim E. > > ------------ -- Original message ------------ > --------- - > > From: "len_hall" <len_hall@yahoo. com> > > > Does anyone know if there is any difference > between > > the Bigboy in the > > > current versus the previous catalog other than > road > > name and if so, > > > what? > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49741	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: stock yard

Does anyone have a idea on how to slow down the vibration in the stockyard. I have new feet for the cows and they still fall over. I tried a dimmer switch. That did not work. Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49742	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

there is a adjusting screw inside the yard,just remove the roof and look for it. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Does anyone have a idea on how to slow down the vibration in the stockyard. I have new feet for the cows and they still fall over. I tried a dimmer switch. That did not work. Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49743	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/17/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 17, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49744	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

And if that doesn't do it, buy a cheap 25 or 40 watt transformer and connect it to the variable power post.  You can control it very nicely that way.   Bob --- On Sun, 8/17/08, lglumac@... <lglumac@...> wrote: From: lglumac@... <lglumac@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] stock yard To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 1:38 PM there is a adjusting screw inside the yard,just remove the roof and look for it. ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@msn. com> Does anyone have a idea on how to slow down the vibration in the stockyard. I have new feet for the cows and they still fall over. I tried a dimmer switch. That did not work. Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49745	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

Hi Lou, Doug Peck told me about a adjusting screw and I don't see anything. Screws holding the motor down, but I don't see a adjustment thing. Thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: lglumac@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] stock yard there is a adjusting screw inside the yard,just remove the roof and look for it. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Does anyone have a idea on how to slow down the vibration in the stockyard. I have new feet for the cows and they still fall over. I tried a dimmer switch. That did not work. Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49746	From: John	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

Hey Mike Have you tried giving them Ritalin?? lololol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] stock yard > Does anyone have a idea on how to slow down the vibration in the > stockyard. > > I have new feet for the cows and they still fall over. > > I tried a dimmer switch. That did not work. > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49747	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

Mike, I have four stock yards, and only one has the adjusting screw. I like the idea that has been shared of controlling it with a dedicated transformer. Good luck with the spastic bovine, Larry moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: mlmarmer@...: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:32:11 -0400Subject: Re: [S-Trains] stock yard Hi Lou,Doug Peck told me about a adjusting screw and I don't see anything.Screws holding the motor down, but I don't see a adjustment thing.Thanks.Mike----- Original Message ----- From: lglumac@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:38 PMSubject: Re: [S-Trains] stock yardthere is a adjusting screw inside the yard,just remove the roof and look for it.-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Does anyone have a idea on how to slow down the vibration in the stockyard.I have new feet for the cows and they still fall over.I tried a dimmer switch. That did not work.Thanks.Mike[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49748	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

Thanks Bob,as that is what I will do. Greenberg show here in DC on the 23. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] stock yard And if that doesn't do it, buy a cheap 25 or 40 watt transformer and connect it to the variable power post. You can control it very nicely that way. Bob --- On Sun, 8/17/08, lglumac@... <lglumac@...> wrote: From: lglumac@... <lglumac@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] stock yard To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 1:38 PM there is a adjusting screw inside the yard,just remove the roof and look for it. ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@msn. com> Does anyone have a idea on how to slow down the vibration in the stockyard. I have new feet for the cows and they still fall over. I tried a dimmer switch. That did not work. Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49749	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

Good idea John. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] stock yard Hey Mike Have you tried giving them Ritalin?? lololol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] stock yard > Does anyone have a idea on how to slow down the vibration in the > stockyard. > > I have new feet for the cows and they still fall over. > > I tried a dimmer switch. That did not work. > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49750	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Alco C Trucks

Good morning: Does anyone know if Alco C trucks are available in S Scale? These trucks were mass-produced for the RSD-4, 5, and 11. They have uneven axle spacing, unlike the A1A truck under PA-1. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49751	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: American Models PA

Good morning: I am thinking of getting an AM PA-1 for the mechanism. I have a few questions. 1. Does it have one motor in the middle which drives both trucks? 2. How many axles are in these model trucks? Are they: A1A like the real ones? (The outside axles are powered and the middle one is unpowered.) B like the American Flyer trucks? (The middle axle does not exist and the other two are powered.) C where all three axles are powered? Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49753	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: RE;re;It ain't prototypical ;-)

STUMPY.... Sept the 13 and 14 ( Sat and Sun ) at St Albans , WV they are having a MOTHMAN NAD BRAXTON COUNTY MONSTER Festival!!!! I am going... Bob Conner-------------- Original message from "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...>: -------------- The Mothman and I were kinda' kicked back with a few cold ones last night, watching the Olympic Women's Beach Volleyball on his Tivo and commenting about their uniforms, when he brought up the fact that in his plane of reality they DID use nuclear explosions to dig a canal and bore tunnels! Mothman is really into model railroading, and has a basement filling empire depicting the Atlantis Railways. Jimmy Hoffa dropped by (he collects die cast trucks in a big way)and we changed the channel to History Channel's "Monster Quest" our all time favorite! I hope to get some more kit bashing done as soon as I get this jacket off with the sleaves that tie in the back. Stumpy...at Happy Acres. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49754	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Che Photo Op

Che has arrived to the D&K RR Company town. Che, the Marx Conductor is being greeted by Hugo, the Marx Military Man down by the Plasticville Station. They then traveled to the Frosty Bar for a photo Op, as the two players still refuse to stop eating Ice Cream. They gave their first speech atop the Mighty Log Loader as only a few cows and cats where seem. The Milk Bottle was installed today above the wall at S Helper Field. S Helper Field is a better name after all. The U of MD sign for the wall is complete. Not installed yet. Tomorrow I get some gold paper from Michael's to print out the Terrapin Taco logo for the wall. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49755	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

Thanks Larry, as that is what I will do. Spastic bovine are more tender in the end for eating. O:)! No mad cow here in the land of D&K. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] stock yard Mike, I have four stock yards, and only one has the adjusting screw. I like the idea that has been shared of controlling it with a dedicated transformer. Good luck with the spastic bovine, Larry moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: mlmarmer@...: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:32:11 -0400Subject: Re: [S-Trains] stock yard Hi Lou,Doug Peck told me about a adjusting screw and I don't see anything.Screws holding the motor down, but I don't see a adjustment thing.Thanks.Mike----- Original Message ----- From: lglumac@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:38 PMSubject: Re: [S-Trains] stock yardthere is a adjusting screw inside the yard,just remove the roof and look for it.-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Does anyone have a idea on how to slow down the vibration in the stockyard.I have new feet for the cows and they still fall over.I tried a dimmer switch. That did not work.Thanks.Mike[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49756	From: Grant	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

Drunk Cows again? The Jack Daniels storage vats are too close! The 'adjusting' screw looks like a normal screw that holds everything together. I recall that I had to remove the shack to adjust it. Did you check to see if it was level? That'll make the cows act like Foster Brooks! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have a idea on how to slow down the vibration in the stockyard. > > I have new feet for the cows and they still fall over. > > I tried a dimmer switch. That did not work. > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49757	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: DCC question

Hi all: I am trying to find out some information for someone, and I must admit that I know essentially nothing about DCC. However, I read a few pages (have become a little dangerous) and have one basic question. The person will be using the NCE Power Pro for DCC. He has a Magna Force transformer that puts out 15 VAC to his power pro, but it operates on 110 V input - so he thus needs a stepdown transformer (from 220 VAC to 110 VAC). Alternatively, does this mean that he could use one of the old AC Gilbert transformers, that were made for overseas use, which take 220 VAC and drop it down to the usual 15-18 VAC base post and the variable 7-16 VAC for operating the engines? The MagnaForce transformer doesn't supply DC to the Power pro, so unless one needs a carefully regulated power supply, it seems as though these older, cheaper transformers could do the job and thus bypass the magnaforce transformer and the stepdown transformer. I think they need to have about 6 amps available, also. Any comments, suggestions, is this all wishful thinking, etc.???? thanks ahead of time Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49758	From: David Engle	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Alco C Trucks

Check me on this: There was an A-1-A truck for RS units, but the total wheelbase would be the same as the off-center truck; not the bug stretch of the PA- truck. Wonder how well the gentleman in NZ would cover this. Or, if we are very fortunate, there are some spare parts around from the Alco Models units. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty.Thorin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Alco C Trucks Good morning: Does anyone know if Alco C trucks are available in S Scale? These trucks were mass-produced for the RSD-4, 5, and 11. They have uneven axle spacing, unlike the A1A truck under PA-1. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49759	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: American Models PA

----- Original Message ----- From: Marty.Thorin . . . . . . an AM PA-1 for the mechanism. . . . . . . . 1. Does it have one motor in the middle which drives both trucks? > > > > > > > > > > Two motors, connected. Looking from left to right inside, you see truck, flywheel, motor, flywheel connected to both motors, motor, flywheel, truck. < < < < < < < < < < 2. How many axles are in these model trucks? > > > > > > > > > > Three each ruck, just like there should be. < < < < < < < < < < Are they: A1A like the real ones? > > > > > > > > > > No, all six axles of the unit are powered. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49760	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: American Models PA

Thorin; This PA1 detail is from their web site, it seems to answer most of your questions: All twelve wheels powered in the "A" units. Heavy die cast frame. Headlights with all windows and port hole windows glass. Dual motors and three flywheels in each "A" unit. Electronic three position reverse unit in both "A" units. Operating couplers and fully compatible with "American Flyer" trains. Real Sound™ in the "B" units, (with two speakers) even reproduces the GE turbine "whine" at higher speeds. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: > > Good morning: > > I am thinking of getting an AM PA-1 for the mechanism. I have a few > questions. > > 1. Does it have one motor in the middle which drives both trucks? > > 2. How many axles are in these model trucks? Are they: > A1A like the real ones? (The outside axles are powered and the middle > one is unpowered.) > B like the American Flyer trucks? (The middle axle does not exist and > the other two are powered.) > C where all three axles are powered? > > Thank you, > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49761	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: DCC question

Rance; If he can find an old 220 ACG transformer, it will work fine. Supply it to the NCE booster using the fixed voltage and base post. The other option, using a 220 step down will work also, although you are hitting the low end of the NCE desired input voltage with the magna force transformer. If he is using the 10 amp booster, it prefers 16VAC minimum. cheers phil --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > Hi all: > I am trying to find out some information for someone, and I must admit > that I know essentially nothing about DCC. However, I read a few pages > (have become a little dangerous) and have one basic question. > The person will be using the NCE Power Pro for DCC. He has a Magna > Force transformer that puts out 15 VAC to his power pro, but it operates > on 110 V input - so he thus needs a stepdown transformer (from 220 VAC > to 110 VAC). Alternatively, does this mean that he could use one of the > old AC Gilbert transformers, that were made for overseas use, which take > 220 VAC and drop it down to the usual 15-18 VAC base post and the > variable 7-16 VAC for operating the engines? The MagnaForce transformer > doesn't supply DC to the Power pro, so unless one needs a carefully > regulated power supply, it seems as though these older, cheaper > transformers could do the job and thus bypass the magnaforce transformer > and the stepdown transformer. I think they need to have about 6 amps > available, also. > Any comments, suggestions, is this all wishful thinking, etc.???? > thanks ahead of time > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49762	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: American Flyer Reference

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49763	From: roy inman	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: American Models PA-another question...

Does anyone know if the AM PA's, or other AM engines, can be locked in one direction? Roy Inman From: Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:44:44 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Models PA Thorin; This PA1 detail is from their web site, it seems to answer most of your questions: All twelve wheels powered in the "A" units. Heavy die cast frame. Headlights with all windows and port hole windows glass. Dual motors and three flywheels in each "A" unit. Electronic three position reverse unit in both "A" units. Operating couplers and fully compatible with "American Flyer" trains. Real Sound™ in the "B" units, (with two speakers) even reproduces the GE turbine "whine" at higher speeds. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: > > Good morning: > > I am thinking of getting an AM PA-1 for the mechanism. I have a few > questions. > > 1. Does it have one motor in the middle which drives both trucks? > > 2. How many axles are in these model trucks? Are they: > A1A like the real ones? (The outside axles are powered and the middle > one is unpowered.) > B like the American Flyer trucks? (The middle axle does not exist and > the other two are powered.) > C where all three axles are powered? > > Thank you, > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49764	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: American Models PA

Marty, Did you try to email AM with your question? My only time I purchase a AM engine was in 1995 or so, before I had a layout. I never ran it, so I tried to run on the layout this year. It does not do anything. It is a diesel. I took off the shell and I notice that one of the screws into the truck mechanism, the metal is all broken, so no screw will hold anything together. Quality A 1. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty.Thorin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models PA Good morning: I am thinking of getting an AM PA-1 for the mechanism. I have a few questions. 1. Does it have one motor in the middle which drives both trucks? 2. How many axles are in these model trucks? Are they: A1A like the real ones? (The outside axles are powered and the middle one is unpowered.) B like the American Flyer trucks? (The middle axle does not exist and the other two are powered.) C where all three axles are powered? Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49765	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

Hi Grant, No, no molasses being brew here. If you never drove by a distillery, you are missing out on the aroma. LOL Okay, I see two screws holding down the electric "motor" down to the floor and one screw holding the electric motor to the frame it is on. I don't think this are intended to be adjustable screws. Cows have left the pen and are attempting to reach the cow on track to free him from that stand. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: stock yard Drunk Cows again? The Jack Daniels storage vats are too close! The 'adjusting' screw looks like a normal screw that holds everything together. I recall that I had to remove the shack to adjust it. Did you check to see if it was level? That'll make the cows act like Foster Brooks! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have a idea on how to slow down the vibration in the stockyard. > > I have new feet for the cows and they still fall over. > > I tried a dimmer switch. That did not work. > > Thanks. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49766	From: G C	Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

Mike there is a molasses plant in New Holland, PA. I have diven by it a few times. Quite an unforgettable aroma.   Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49767	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Train reference book?

Does anyone know of a source that would carry the book: "Railroadiana 2000 & Beyond'? I would buy it new or used. Thanks, Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49768	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Alco C Trucks

Dear David: You are thinking of the RSC-4 and RSC-5. (Note 'C' in RSC, not 'D' as in RSD.) They had A1A trucks with even axle spacing. I am seeking Alco C trucks which have uneven spacing and drop hangers. I suggested a few years ago that someone come out with these as sideframes for AF diesel trucks. I know I would purchase at least four. I sent an e-mail inquiry to Railmasters Hobbies for more information about the "North Yard Powered R-T-R Chassis - Standard Gauge $165" but I have not heard back. (I also sent it only 17 hours ago.) Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Alco C Trucks Posted by: "David Engle" RIRocket@... Date: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:34 am ((PDT)) Check me on this: There was an A-1-A truck for RS units, but the total wheelbase would be the same as the off-center truck; not the bug stretch of the PA- truck. Wonder how well the gentleman in NZ would cover this. Or, if we are very fortunate, there are some spare parts around from the Alco Models units. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty.Thorin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Alco C Trucks Good morning: Does anyone know if Alco C trucks are available in S Scale? These trucks were mass-produced for the RSD-4, 5, and 11. They have uneven axle spacing, unlike the A1A truck under PA-1. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49769	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: DCC question

Hi Phil: I thought they would but it is nice to get support. Tx. Rance Phil Dunlop wrote: > > Rance; > > If he can find an old 220 ACG transformer, it will work fine. Supply > it to the NCE booster using the fixed voltage and base post. > > The other option, using a 220 step down will work also, although you > are hitting the low end of the NCE desired input voltage with the > magna force transformer. > > If he is using the 10 amp booster, it prefers 16VAC minimum. > > cheers > phil > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49770	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

I got some help in telling me where the adjusting screw is on the stockyard. No cows where injured during this time. Now, the stock yard is either too slow or too fast. LOL I will fine tune it tomorrow. Someone did tell me to put a fiber washer between the motor and the frame for it. After I got my box of 100 washers from Home Depot, the cows will be wearing cow necklaces. Thanks for all the help. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49771	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: stock yard

LOL I will have to check that out the next time I am in the Lancaster area, this coming December. Would you believe 45 people died due to drowning in Molasses in Boston in 1918. Off topic, I know. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: stock yard Mike there is a molasses plant in New Holland, PA. I have diven by it a few times. Quite an unforgettable aroma. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49772	From: faltrain5	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Hey Guys and Gals, gotta a serious question???

I got this idea for this winter's train setup that doesn't have to do with the setup itself. I was cleaning one of my 307 Atlantic engines and then BOOM! This idea crossed my mind about the rubber wheel it had. What if they made those wheels for heavier, steel locomotives??? They would be able to pull a ton! We all know if you collect the vintage, true Gilbert American Flyer stuff, that you need a lot of power to make it up trestles with those steel locomotives when they are even carrying more than 5 average weight cars. PLUS the sanding and wiping down the tracks just gets to be a hassle when the engine is slipping up them too. So to get to the point - Do they make those wheels still today? Do I have to buy a totally different engine chasis from a plastic model so I can rip of the drive wheel and use it? Can it be done? Or better yet, will it help at all; have any of you done it?? Thanyou to all who reply! -Geoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49773	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Train reference book?

try www.powells.com   Bill Drake --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Train reference book? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 9:27 AM Does anyone know of a source that would carry the book: "Railroadiana 2000 & Beyond'? I would buy it new or used. Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49774	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Cow sounds

I may load sounds of cows in my Lap Top and play them in my Ertle stock yard auction building. I have a sound system that sends sounds to a on board speaker. I was thinking of putting it into a cattle car. The engines sounds can be sent, but I think there is a in put jack on the sending unit. One of the units is CMI the other I think is Model Rectifier. Has any one tired this? So I need some cow sounds. I also have a DVD player on my drive in. May be I could burn sounds and send them out this way as well. I wonder if both systems can work together. That way I could have engine sounds and lay out sounds from a caboose. Typing this has inspired me to try and find these units and test this out. What I am looking for is small sound boxes that can be turned on by magnets under the train. Then the sounds will follow the train. I need some tourtis switch motors. I could turn on sound units this was as well. Any one want to sell some? Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49775	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: AF cows

I guess bigger more realistic cows would not work in going into the cattle car, but they might be fun to make just going in circles. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49776	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Hey Guys and Gals, gotta a serious question???

Geoff; http://www.portlines.com/ AF Parts (ID: 2131) WHEEL: DRIVER (Pullmor) 21165, etc. $2.50 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "faltrain5" <faltrain5@...> wrote: > > I got this idea for this winter's train setup that doesn't have to do > with the setup itself. I was cleaning one of my 307 Atlantic engines > and then BOOM! This idea crossed my mind about the rubber wheel it had. > What if they made those wheels for heavier, steel locomotives??? They > would be able to pull a ton! We all know if you collect the vintage, > true Gilbert American Flyer stuff, that you need a lot of power to make > it up trestles with those steel locomotives when they are even carrying > more than 5 average weight cars. PLUS the sanding and wiping down the > tracks just gets to be a hassle when the engine is slipping up them > too. > So to get to the point - Do they make those wheels still today? Do I > have to buy a totally different engine chasis from a plastic model so I > can rip of the drive wheel and use it? Can it be done? Or better yet, > will it help at all; have any of you done it?? > Thanyou to all who reply! > -Geoff >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49777	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Alco C Trucks

Dear List: I got this response from Jeff. Thorin, I have no truck available for the chassis yet. I only have sideframe parts. These are the old Steam Depot parts. I am still working toward providing a three axle truck that can be used for your own project or attach to my North Yard under chassis. Jeff Smith RailMaster Hobbies Lakewood, CA www.railmasterhobbies.com I have asked if he has any C sideframes and if so, what is their wheelbase. Maybe I can put them onto an extended B truck -- like American Flyer did. Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49778	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Replacement traction wheels??

There are newly manufactured "tires" that have vulcanized rubber traction. They are available from Port lines Hobby. We also have some, but we use them only in our installation jobs. (not for sale). We have done dozens of replacements and add on tires. Steve, SnS Trains Boise. In a message dated 08/19/2008 10:14:40 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, faltrain5@... writes: I got this idea for this winter's train setup that doesn't have to do with the setup itself. I was cleaning one of my 307 Atlantic engines and then BOOM! This idea crossed my mind about the rubber wheel it had. What if they made those wheels for heavier, steel locomotives?What if they would be able to pull a ton! We all know if you collect the vintage, true Gilbert American Flyer stuff, that you need a lot of power to make it up trestles with those steel locomotives when they are even carrying more than 5 average weight cars. PLUS the sanding and wiping down the tracks just gets to be a hassle when the engine is slipping up them too. So to get to the point - Do they make those wheels still today? Do I have to buy a totally different engine chasis from a plastic model so I can rip of the drive wheel and use it? Can it be done? Or better yet, will it help at all; have any of you done it?? Thanyou to all who reply! -Geoff **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49779	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Hey Guys and Gals, gotta a serious question???

I think that is what was called " pulmore"  on the 4-6-2's it was the middle wheel which had what looked like a rubberband on the midle wheels which had no flange.  Only a flange on  front two and back two.   I suppose you could just get a rubber band and stick it on any wheel for traction, unless it is a wheel that picks up current from the rail.  --- On Tue, 8/19/08, faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> wrote: From: faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Hey Guys and Gals, gotta a serious question??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 10:02 AM I got this idea for this winter's train setup that doesn't have to do with the setup itself. I was cleaning one of my 307 Atlantic engines and then BOOM! This idea crossed my mind about the rubber wheel it had. What if they made those wheels for heavier, steel locomotives? ?? They would be able to pull a ton! We all know if you collect the vintage, true Gilbert American Flyer stuff, that you need a lot of power to make it up trestles with those steel locomotives when they are even carrying more than 5 average weight cars. PLUS the sanding and wiping down the tracks just gets to be a hassle when the engine is slipping up them too. So to get to the point - Do they make those wheels still today? Do I have to buy a totally different engine chasis from a plastic model so I can rip of the drive wheel and use it? Can it be done? Or better yet, will it help at all; have any of you done it?? Thanyou to all who reply! -Geoff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49780	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Train reference book?

No,  But did you try Amazon  or Overstock?  --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Train reference book? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 8:27 AM Does anyone know of a source that would carry the book: "Railroadiana 2000 & Beyond'? I would buy it new or used. Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49781	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: American Models PA

I usually teest run an engine before I buy it.  ESPECIALLY  at a place like York. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models PA To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 4:58 PM Marty, Did you try to email AM with your question? My only time I purchase a AM engine was in 1995 or so, before I had a layout. I never ran it, so I tried to run on the layout this year. It does not do anything. It is a diesel. I took off the shell and I notice that one of the screws into the truck mechanism, the metal is all broken, so no screw will hold anything together. Quality A 1. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty.Thorin To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models PA Good morning: I am thinking of getting an AM PA-1 for the mechanism. I have a few questions. 1. Does it have one motor in the middle which drives both trucks? 2. How many axles are in these model trucks? Are they: A1A like the real ones? (The outside axles are powered and the middle one is unpowered.) B like the American Flyer trucks? (The middle axle does not exist and the other two are powered.) C where all three axles are powered? Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49782	From: Phil K	Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Hey Guys and Gals, gotta a serious question???

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > I think that is what was called " pulmore"  on the 4-6-2's it was the middle wheel which had > what looked like a rubberband on the midle wheels which had no flange.  Only a flange on  front two and back two. >   > I suppose you could just get a rubber band and stick it on any wheel for traction, unless it is a wheel that picks up current from the rail.  No. There is a special wheel for PullMor tires, slightly smaller in diameter. The band thickness makes up the difference. Otherwise, if you could stretch a band to fit a regular wheel, it would sit higher than the others. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49783	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: For sale: Newly Released Flyonel 2008 freight cars

#48372 Canadian National Boxcar made in 2008.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $59.99.   #48373 Union Pacific Stock Car made in 2008.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $59.99.   Make offer.   Pictures of these and many other items for sale are on my website:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49784	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Serious question:Pull-Mor traction

As a mad butcher who has collected a few boxes of old Flyer junk locos, here are my observaations and ideas. Early steam locos with diecast boilers didn't have the Pull-Mor feature, and wheel slip is common. I have a 356 Silver Bullet with plastic boiler and no Pull-Mor, and it slips and waddles trying to pull more than two heavyweight passenger cars. While I have found Pull-Mor tires on later diecast boilered engines, which is a definate plus, just about all the plastic boilered steamers had them. Idea: put a later Pull-Mor chassis under and earlier diecast boiler. Early steamers had reverse in boiler, so you'll have to use the e-unit in tender, but you can also get smoke and choo-choo with the later chassis. I've done this and it works well. Of course this leaves you with extra parts, or a slippery plastic boilered loco. Idea 2:Put Pull-Mor drivers on all axles. You'll need a wheel puller and press for this, although there are cruder ways to get wheels off and on. Start collecting junker locos now to get enough of these wheels, and this leaves you with a pile of spare stuff. Problem with Idea 2: Quartering the drivers. When you go to putting the drivers back on, they all have to line up exactly, or the side raods won't fit right and will bind up the locomotive. Portlines carries a quartering tool. Early diesel didn't have traction tires because they picked up juice from their wheels. They have a BIG weight inside. These were made before the sliding pick up shoes came along. One problem with too much traction or too much weight is that you shorten the life of your motor. A better option would be to use just the regular traction wheels. If you make the drivers slip, you're pulling more than the loco should! A better modification is SHS or AM trucks under all your rolling stock so they roll easier. Stumpy Stone...been there, tried that...Creative Imagineer in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49785	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds

I too am interested in producing cow sounds (and fire engine sounds) in such a way that all my grandchildren have to do is press a button. Can anyone get me started? Thanks, Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AZTECFAN Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Cow sounds I may load sounds of cows in my Lap Top and play them in my Ertle stock yard auction building. I have a sound system that sends sounds to a on board speaker. I was thinking of putting it into a cattle car. The engines sounds can be sent, but I think there is a in put jack on the sending unit. One of the units is CMI the other I think is Model Rectifier. Has any one tired this? So I need some cow sounds. I also have a DVD player on my drive in. May be I could burn sounds and send them out this way as well. I wonder if both systems can work together. That way I could have engine sounds and lay out sounds from a caboose. Typing this has inspired me to try and find these units and test this out. What I am looking for is small sound boxes that can be turned on by magnets under the train. Then the sounds will follow the train. I need some tourtis switch motors. I could turn on sound units this was as well. Any one want to sell some? Jim Sleeth ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1618 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 6:51 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1618 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 6:51 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49786	From: chasesmithus	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Flyer cannon car

A week or so someone started a thread on a cannon car. I have uploaded a photo of a Flyer cannon car I made years ago from a work caboose. It was part of a US Army train I made for fun- not as a great modeling effort. The photo is in my S Trains album "Chuck's Layout" labeled "Flyer cannon car".

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49787	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Hey Guys and Gals, gotta a serious question???

We have replacement Pullmor rims for the steam engines....both the standard narrow-flange wheels, and the later wide-flange wheels. These have a vulcanized rubber tread on them, just like originals. We have sold hundreds of these, used for both replacing worn-out pullmor wheels, as well as converting non-pullmor engines to pullmor. Glue-on bands are cheaper, but do not last long.....and you cannot glue bands onto non-pullmor wheels. If you do so, there's not enough flange depth left, and the engine will derail continually. As Phil pointed out, it will also not sit level on the track. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49788	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Replacement PullMor Rims

There are newly manufactured rims available for both regular and small wheel (i.e., 0-8-0) steam locos.  These rims are manufactured in England and have the PullMor tires vulcanized onto them.  If you use them on an old diecast loco such as a 300 it will pull paint off the the of your house.  These are my part numbers JTR-709 (Steam loco PullMor rims; $15 a pair) and Jrr-710 (0-8-0 PullMor rims; $17.50 a pair). Joe #############################################################   In a message dated 08/19/2008 10:14:40 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, faltrain5@yahoo. com writes: I got this idea for this winter's train setup that doesn't have to do with the setup itself. I was cleaning one of my 307 Atlantic engines and then BOOM! This idea crossed my mind about the rubber wheel it had. What if they made those wheels for heavier, steel locomotives? What if they would be able to pull a ton! We all know if you collect the vintage, true Gilbert American Flyer stuff, that you need a lot of power to make it up trestles with those steel locomotives when they are even carrying more than 5 average weight cars. PLUS the sanding and wiping down the tracks just gets to be a hassle when the engine is slipping up them too. So to get to the point - Do they make those wheels still today? Do I have to buy a totally different engine chasis from a plastic model so I can rip of the drive wheel and use it? Can it be done? Or better yet, will it help at all; have any of you done it?? Thanyou to all who reply! -Geoff Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ###DesPlaines Hobbies### S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49789	From: G C	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer cannon car

Gosh Chuck, That's some 'big gun'. I hope you had some 'wheel chocks' on there when you fired it off. G. C. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49790	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds - Sample Sound System Link

Here is a link to one of the sound systems for model railroads: http://www.modelrectifier.com/search/product-view.asp?ID=1293 There are several similar to this one that produce city sounds, country sounds and/or railroad sounds. You can sometimes find them at reasonable prices on eBay. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "AZTECFAN" <aztecfan@...> wrote: > > I may load sounds of cows in my Lap Top and play them in my Ertle > stock yard auction building. I have a sound system that sends sounds > to a on board speaker. I was thinking of putting it into a cattle > car. The engines sounds can be sent, but I think there is a in put > jack on the sending unit. > > One of the units is CMI the other I think is Model Rectifier. > > Has any one tired this? So I need some cow sounds. > > I also have a DVD player on my drive in. May be I could burn sounds > and send them out this way as well. I wonder if both systems can work > together. That way I could have engine sounds and lay out sounds from > a caboose. > > Typing this has inspired me to try and find these units and test this out. > > What I am looking for is small sound boxes that can be turned on by > magnets under the train. Then the sounds will follow the train. > > I need some tourtis switch motors. I could turn on sound units this > was as well. > > Any one want to sell some? > > Jim Sleeth >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49791	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Replacement PullMor Rims

BUT REMEMBER..... REAL RAILROADS DO NOT USE PULL MOR!!!! When I had the chance to run the small diesel switcher I had trouble starting to get it rolling because the rails were damp... I had to uncouple the 2 cabooses to be able to get it to go without the WHEELS SLIPPING!!! It still slipped, without the load, until I finally got it rolling then I was able to pick up speed.... After the rails were dry I hooked back to the cars and got them to move after the rails were dry.... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...>: -------------- There are newly manufactured rims available for both regular and small wheel (i.e., 0-8-0) steam locos. These rims are manufactured in England and have the PullMor tires vulcanized onto them. If you use them on an old diecast loco such as a 300 it will pull paint off the the of your house. These are my part numbers JTR-709 (Steam loco PullMor rims; $15 a pair) and Jrr-710 (0-8-0 PullMor rims; $17.50 a pair). Joe ############################################################# In a message dated 08/19/2008 10:14:40 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, faltrain5@yahoo. com writes: I got this idea for this winter's train setup that doesn't have to do with the setup itself. I was cleaning one of my 307 Atlantic engines and then BOOM! This idea crossed my mind about the rubber wheel it had. What if they made those wheels for heavier, steel locomotives? What if they would be able to pull a ton! We all know if you collect the vintage, true Gilbert American Flyer stuff, that you need a lot of power to make it up trestles with those steel locomotives when they are even carrying more than 5 average weight cars. PLUS the sanding and wiping down the tracks just gets to be a hassle when the engine is slipping up them too. So to get to the point - Do they make those wheels still today? Do I have to buy a totally different engine chasis from a plastic model so I can rip of the drive wheel and use it? Can it be done? Or better yet, will it help at all; have any of you done it?? Thanyou to all who reply! -Geoff Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ###DesPlaines Hobbies### S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49792	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds

One fo the toy stores  had a 'game'  where you would puch the picture of a cow or what ever  and hear the mooing sound.......... not sure but try Old McDonald's Farm. --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Dave Highfield <davidh@...> wrote: From: Dave Highfield <davidh@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Cow sounds To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 3:05 PM I too am interested in producing cow sounds (and fire engine sounds) in such a way that all my grandchildren have to do is press a button. Can anyone get me started? Thanks, Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AZTECFAN Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Cow sounds I may load sounds of cows in my Lap Top and play them in my Ertle stock yard auction building. I have a sound system that sends sounds to a on board speaker. I was thinking of putting it into a cattle car. The engines sounds can be sent, but I think there is a in put jack on the sending unit. One of the units is CMI the other I think is Model Rectifier. Has any one tired this? So I need some cow sounds. I also have a DVD player on my drive in. May be I could burn sounds and send them out this way as well. I wonder if both systems can work together. That way I could have engine sounds and lay out sounds from a caboose. Typing this has inspired me to try and find these units and test this out. What I am looking for is small sound boxes that can be turned on by magnets under the train. Then the sounds will follow the train. I need some tourtis switch motors. I could turn on sound units this was as well. Any one want to sell some? Jim Sleeth ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1618 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 6:51 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1618 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 6:51 AM ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49793	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds - Sample Sound System Link

thanks for the link David. Cricket sounds, is what I need for the layout!!!! Might be worth 80 in getting. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cow sounds - Sample Sound System Link Here is a link to one of the sound systems for model railroads: http://www.modelrectifier.com/search/product-view.asp?ID=1293 There are several similar to this one that produce city sounds, country sounds and/or railroad sounds. You can sometimes find them at reasonable prices on eBay. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "AZTECFAN" <aztecfan@...> wrote: > > I may load sounds of cows in my Lap Top and play them in my Ertle > stock yard auction building. I have a sound system that sends sounds > to a on board speaker. I was thinking of putting it into a cattle > car. The engines sounds can be sent, but I think there is a in put > jack on the sending unit. > > One of the units is CMI the other I think is Model Rectifier. > > Has any one tired this? So I need some cow sounds. > > I also have a DVD player on my drive in. May be I could burn sounds > and send them out this way as well. I wonder if both systems can work > together. That way I could have engine sounds and lay out sounds from > a caboose. > > Typing this has inspired me to try and find these units and test this out. > > What I am looking for is small sound boxes that can be turned on by > magnets under the train. Then the sounds will follow the train. > > I need some tourtis switch motors. I could turn on sound units this > was as well. > > Any one want to sell some? > > Jim Sleeth > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49794	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Replacement PullMor Rims

----- Original Message ----- From: rcon7@... . . . . . . . . . . . REAL RAILROADS DO NOT USE PULL MOR!!!!. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Never say never. Some Paris metro lines, all Montréal metro lines, and several others use rubber tires. It greatly improves adhesion (what automobilists call "traction"), allowing greater grades and increased acceleration and braking. There was also La Micheline, promoted by the Michelin tire company. This did use rubber tires on regular railroad track. It was an experiment that wasn't successful except in metro settings. Most real NA railroads use sand. How do we simulate that? Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49795	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Engieer Bill

He will be missed. --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> wrote: From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Engieer Bill To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 3:28 PM I don't know if any of you remember, but this came across my computer today. Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ Engineer Bill (Stulla) died today Red Light, Green light, RIP JonC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49796	From: mike rosz	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...

How do I gt a catalogue?   But are they S scale? --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Gerry Evans <bestofshow@...> wrote: From: Gerry Evans <bestofshow@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Vehicles... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 9:24 AM In the latest Fairfield Mint catalogue, they are offering a six-car 1:64 package for $44.99 consisting of the following: '54 Merc, '53 Olds, ''55 Pontiac, '51 Ford, '54 Chevy, and '57 Ford. Nice white-walls; no racing tires. Item #10002CF. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49797	From: Trains	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Replacement PullMor Rims

The rubber "tire" idea and invention for Paris Metro about mid 1950's (subway/elevated commuter trains) was and still is pioneered by Michelin...the main reason was to quiet the noise and smoothe the ride ,,, and indead some Paris Metro lines were much, much quiter and the ride is smoother, as I can personaly attest to. I believe they have discontinued this practice on other lines, due to the extreemly high maintanance costs. The Idea has since been applied to many other type of commuter conveyances too the extent that the commuter "rail" cars are essentially much like a "Bus" except with a predetermined path and often with automation. The rubber and wheel idea was also used as a sound deadening device on PCC street cars and all modern public street/interurban running in US and usually made in, or licensed from Europe. Here there is a steel tire with rubber between the rest of the wheel and axle. This works fine for slower type rail service up to about 50/60 mph. The Germans used this concept in a much refined approach on their ICE high speed trains to quiet the ride and dampen wheel shock....however at high speed even the toughest space age rubber sets up harmonic vibrations and a rough ride experience (this lead to a catostrophic ICE accident a few years back when the wheel tire seperated from the rest of the wheel....The French knew better and did not try this on their TGV high speed trains. A bit about rubber and railroad wheels, as I see it, Sgaugingly yours, Peter Loeb in now cool and wet again (for a few days) S. Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49798	From: John	Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds - Sample Sound System Link

Why not just go outside in the evening with a tape recorder and record your own and convert it over to mp3 and play it on a mp3 player under your layout. Cheaper than the $80 Just an idea John --- mlmarmer@... wrote: thanks for the link David. Cricket sounds, is what I need for the layout!!!! Might be worth 80 in getting. LOL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49799	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds - Sample Sound System Link

Good idea John. But then I have to buy a tape recorder and a MP3 system too. O:)! Or why not just bring in a live cow or crickets. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cow sounds - Sample Sound System Link Why not just go outside in the evening with a tape recorder and record your own and convert it over to mp3 and play it on a mp3 player under your layout. Cheaper than the $80 Just an idea John --- mlmarmer@... wrote: thanks for the link David. Cricket sounds, is what I need for the layout!!!! Might be worth 80 in getting. LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49800	From: Scale S Only	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Cow sounds

Hi Dave -- Take a look at the sound effects available from MRC. I think you get all those sounds, plus a bunch more. These can be "played" against each other to produce still more sound "scenes". Prices are pretty reasonable when you consider that all you have to do is plug it in and start "playing"... Have fun! Bill Winans I too am interested in producing cow sounds (and fire engine sounds) in such > a way that all my grandchildren have to do is press a button. > Can anyone get me started? > Thanks, > Dave in Maryland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49801	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...

You'll find these same vehicles on our website, for $5 each. (And, BTW, we have those MRC sound units (cows mooing, etc) for about half price!) <<<In the latest Fairfield Mint catalogue, they are offering a six-car 1:64 package for $44.99>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49802	From: Tom	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Hello all I have beena power seller on ebay for some but do to other life interests have slowed down on trains and now want to sell all I have. Some old some new. So my question is how do you like to buy trains? What is the best way to sell my trains other than ebay? Tom 708.699.9148

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49803	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Tom: Good morning. In response to your questions. I would have to say selling on Ebay is the way to go. Even with the fees etc. etc. You get the biggest audience. I prefer though, to buy through the available S trains group on some items like still boxed Flyonel, AM, or SHS. It depends on what you got. Regards Bob Moyer -------------- Original message from "Tom" <tomminil@...>: -------------- Hello all I have beena power seller on ebay for some but do to other life interests have slowed down on trains and now want to sell all I have. Some old some new. So my question is how do you like to buy trains? What is the best way to sell my trains other than ebay? Tom 708.699.9148 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49804	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Modelers

For those of you that like something different for your lay-outs, check out these two URLs on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140259229943&ru=http%3A%2F%2Ftoys.shop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fitems%2F%3F_nkw%3D140259229943%26_in_kw%3D1%26_ex_kw%3D%26_sacat%3D220%26_udlo%3D%26_udhi%3D%26_sabdlo%3D%26_sabdhi%3D%26_samilow%3D%26_samihi%3D%26_ftrt%3D901%26_ftrv%3D1%26_sadis%3D200%26_fpos%3D%26LH_SALE_CURRENCY%3D0%26_fvi%3D1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140259234283&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fitems%2F%3F_nkw%3D140259234283%26_in_kw%3D1%26_ex_kw%3D%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_udlo%3D%26_udhi%3D%26_sabdlo%3D%26_sabdhi%3D%26_samilow%3D%26_samihi%3D%26_ftrt%3D901%26_ftrv%3D1%26_sadis%3D200%26_fpos%3D%26LH_SALE_CURRENCY%3D0%26_fvi%3D1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49805	From: William Porter	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Based on my purchasing volume: [1] eBay [2] Local Train Shows [3] Hobby Shop [4] Trades with someone I know [5] Other online dealers or individuals Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:38 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell Hello all I have beena power seller on ebay for some but do to other life interests have slowed down on trains and now want to sell all I have. Some old some new. So my question is how do you like to buy trains? What is the best way to sell my trains other than ebay? Tom 708.699.9148 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49806	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

I like to hold and see things I buy.I buy at meets then auctions and ebay. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell Hello all I have beena power seller on ebay for some but do to other life interests have slowed down on trains and now want to sell all I have. Some old some new. So my question is how do you like to buy trains? What is the best way to sell my trains other than ebay? Tom 708.699.9148 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1625 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:04 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49807	From: The LANIERs	Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

I buy them anywhere I can find them, including Ebay; but with mandatory Paypal beginning in late Oct I and many others may no longer shop there. You no doubt will not be able to sell a large amount of trains online before then and will need a Paypal account thereafter. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert A Persing To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell I like to hold and see things I buy.I buy at meets then auctions and ebay. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell Hello all I have beena power seller on ebay for some but do to other life interests have slowed down on trains and now want to sell all I have. Some old some new. So my question is how do you like to buy trains? What is the best way to sell my trains other than ebay? Tom 708.699.9148 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1625 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:04 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49808	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Interesting to think that the logic used by people with anti electronic banking fears, (PayPal etc), if it had been successful, might have prevented the American Civil War. If the Luddites had had their way in opposing new technology there would have been no cotton industry in the South of any worth to initially fund a break away movement (and far fewer slaves) as there would have been no huge machine powered cotton mills to sell the cotton to. LOL. Seriously the use of bank checks and money orders will be greatly diminished or non existent within ten years anyway so electronic banking will have to be used. That PayPal is owned by eBay certainly results in maximizing their profits but it is also true that it makes things more secure for all because they are better able to ensure security than they were when PayPal was a separately owned organization and got leaky. In that respect many smaller banks have the potential to be more insecure as they use contractors for their IT business; clearing your check could result in unwarranted access to your check account. Most unlikely but not impossible. And if your computer is insecure and has not even got one of the very good free security systems then you will get burned and no fault to PayPal or any other online banking system. I buy from at least one reputable train seller up there, I have friends who get me parts if needed and there are many nice people on the Yahoo boards from whom one can buy but in the entire history of the World there has never been a better International market in which to buy such a variety of items than eBay. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The LANIERs Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:13 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell I buy them anywhere I can find them, including Ebay; but with mandatory Paypal beginning in late Oct I and many others may no longer shop there. You no doubt will not be able to sell a large amount of trains online before then and will need a Paypal account thereafter. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert A Persing To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell I like to hold and see things I buy.I buy at meets then auctions and ebay. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell Hello all I have beena power seller on ebay for some but do to other life interests have slowed down on trains and now want to sell all I have. Some old some new. So my question is how do you like to buy trains? What is the best way to sell my trains other than ebay? Tom 708.699.9148

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49809	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

----- Original Message ----- From: Tom So my question is how do you like to buy trains? > > > > > > > > > I buy all my trains direct from the manufacturer or importer. But what you really want to know is . . . < < < < < < < < < What is the best way to sell my trains other than ebay? > > > > > > > > > Get tables at the NASG convention and at all-S gatherings such as the Spring Spree and the Fall Fest. Or offer them for sale on a yahoo group such as http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AvailableSgauge/ Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49810	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: The York Secret

I just ordered some items on the phone with Scenery Express today. He was quite helpful in telling me how to make landscapes. He also told me that on Saturday at York, they have everything reduced 20%. So, go there at that time should you need something from them. If they still have it! And that means all S scale cats will be 20% off!!!! Linda was very excited about this, but sadly, we wont be around on Saturday's anymore, as we are normally done on Friday anyway. We now will be biking on the York RT so I wont be buying any S scale cats. Yea!!!!!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49811	From: Trains	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Try making a list with AF or other part number, description of condition and your asking price...include packing and shipping info. Ask for people to contact you and send them the list by email or snail mail. Include digital pictures of each item if you can or upon request. STAY AWAY FROM EBAY! Peter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49812	From: piccu56	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Well, I usually buy off e-bay, followed by local train shows then York. I rarely get anything at flea markets, garage sales, or by trading on line or in person. This will most likely change in October when as e-bay will make it mandatory that you may not accept checks or money orders for transactions, and they will also dictate what you charge for shipping. So e-bay will quickly become a non-viable alternative, and probably die off like BidBay and other internet auction sites. If your collection is not too large, you might consider listing it soon on e-bay, or getting a table at shows. If your collection is rather large, you might consider consigning to an auction house specializing in trains like Mauers. Good luck... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tomminil@...> wrote: > > Hello all > > I have beena power seller on ebay for some but do to other life > interests have slowed down on trains and now want to sell all I have. > Some old some new. > > So my question is how do you like to buy trains? What is the best way > to sell my trains other than ebay? > > Tom 708.699.9148 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49813	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains?

- GreetingS - My purchases are made in several different ways. 1. New/used Model RR shops that I visit 2. Local individuals and their surviving relatives 3. The good Manufacturers/Distributors including those participating here 4. Dealers at shows 5. Individuals here in this forum but NEVER on eBay CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49814	From: ham_45242	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Reverse Loop Implementation

Hello, fellow s-gaugers. I feel silly asking this as I am an EE by profession but can anyone (with reference to a 1950s era American Flyer s-gauge instruction manual) explain why the hookup for a single reverse-loop using a manual DPDT switch (not a reverse loop relay) apparently has to be more complicated than required? In addition to a track switch (turnout) it requires six track insulating pins and presumably three track terminals. I understand how it operates in this manner but, in addition to a DPDT switch, why not just make use of the two-train option on the turnout and a single insulated track section? Thanks for your time and comment. Sincerely,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49815	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

So, I live in Portland, Oregon. The S Gauge world is a bit different here, than say in the north east USA. For instance: 1. Having looked in most area hobby shops, I have never found even 50 pieces of S Gauge total, for all shops together (most have none). 2. We have comparatively few train shows. There you will find very little S-Gauge (especially compared to some shows in eastern US). 3. If you want to buy S Gauge, on-line is about your only real choice. I suspect the situation is very much the same for many people in many areas in western USA. If you live in the west, good chance most of your S Gauge purchases are made somehow on-line, unless you like to make shopping trips to eastern USA - which I have done. In the total scheme of things, I am a small time collector. But I buy about 95% of my S-Gauge stuff off ebay (and YES I use PayPal!) With over 300 purchases (and a few sales), I have NEVER had a problem with eBay or Paypal. Those who resist either are only limiting themselves. Using Yahoo's AvailableSGauge is great, but realistically, the size of your potential market is tiny compared to eBay. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tomminil@...> wrote: > > Hello all > > I have beena power seller on ebay for some but do to other life > interests have slowed down on trains and now want to sell all I have. > Some old some new. > > So my question is how do you like to buy trains? What is the best way > to sell my trains other than ebay? > > Tom 708.699.9148 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49816	From: Coopers	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Good Evening! I have been watching the responses to Tom's question and note two distinct directions with one group really averse to EBay and the rest supportive. I have only begun collecting Flyer in the last year and EBay has been a primary source for hardware with non-EBay transactions with dealers and/or individuals (i.e., Tom and others) being the best source for individual parts. Paypal has been my preferred payment method but I am noticing an apparent increase in the number of sellers on EBay that are moving away from it. I know that fees are an issue (one recent seller actually had 2 prices, one with Paypal and a lower one for other methods...). I have not had a bad experience except in one case where I had made payment via Paypal to a seller and then the seller refused to ship. The Paypal claims process provided relief in the form of a refund of my payment which was welcomed - would not have had that benefit with check or MO. Are there significant security issues with Paypal/EBay or is it the fee structure, or what? Have I just been lucky after my 80+ buys? I hope that some of you will share some of your experiences. As to selling alternatives to EBay, Craigslist is one but it does not have the audience that EBay offers (limited to advertising in a specific metropolitan area - can do multiple ads, but more hassle...) Best Regards to all! Keep the rails clean and wheels rolling Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49817	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Tom- I buy and sell on ebay. Like most things in life it is not perfect. Try as I might to be efficient it takes about 45 minutes to an hour to deal with the selling on one auction including the photos, writing and uploading the listing, answering the emails, taking the checks or money orders to deposit, packaging, delivering to the post office or UPS store and posting feedback. PayPal cuts out a few minutes of the work but costs a fee. The whole listing costs a fee. The total fees are less than the commission you give up to any of the auction houses and the audience is worldwide as opposed to the limited crowd that can make it to a specific auction. Shows look to command higher prices but mean renting the space, travel and sometimes lodging and the audience is limited to those within range of the show. With about 1000 experiences on ebay I have had 4 no pays, a bad feedback from an inexperienced buyer who complained that he had not received the $8 mint condition 925 tank car the day after the auction close even though he had not sent payment, yet. Two suspicious returns of items that didn't look the way they did when I shipped them. But there were no sticky finger items gone from a table, no bad checks after I got home, no weekend lost at a show table putting up with smokers, looky loos who finger every item on the table with steel grips over the graphics and lettering. As to buying, I have had the opportunity to obtain items that would never have come within my radar without ebay, including items from Europe, Canada and Australia that would have been problematic without PayPal to ease the process. International shipping is a bigger hassle than it was since my post office won't deal with Parcel Post only Priority Mail. I tried UPS internationally but the find a customs broker for the buyer and ding a large fee for it where the post office acts as the broker for no fee. I have sold collections on ebay for people usually in trade for one item I want or a fee. I have looked into the ebay seller services but the take is about what you would get from an auction house. My wife tried an auction house (internationally known) for some of her doll collection and got ripped off, as in parts lost, incomplete tracking and forgetting that they had sold items. I have had antique store booths and showcases as well. I think ebay is the best bet around. PayPal has worked flawlessly both for buying and for selling. As to the complaint about shipping fees, I tell bidders that complain that if they value an item at x then they should take x - shipping fee and use that amount as their maximum bid. Have been doing ebay since 1997 or 1998 and it works for me but each has to work out their own solution. Bill Drake thinning out the collection in St. Louis - sorry to be so long winded.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49818	From: CyberSavant	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Hello. Speaking from Western Canada - i CAN'T buy any locally. There is now only 1 local shop - and they STILL say S scale is not available, period. SO, i've given up trying to talk to them. I've tried to contact a couple of local clubs, again mentioning S scale, to receive NO feedback whatsoever. My interest in S scale began years ago and i chose the scale because it's supposed to be in scale with 25mm, which is what my miniatures are [RPGing]. So, last summer, we stopped by an out of the way antique dealer - and what do i find? A set of American, which renewed my interest in pursuing S Scale. I went back eventually and bought the set and then set about looking online. I've bought some track, etc. online through a reference from this list i believe. I haven't checked ebay yet, but i might now. My main problem is that i'm finding the stuff too expensive for me right now. Larry Strome cybersavant@... larrys@... thorazbrynaziir@... ICQ: 78031576 AIM: cybrsvnt Tell me and i may forget Show me and i may remember Involve me and i will understand. - Chinese Proverb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49819	From: roy inman	Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Al, Doesn't help much in your case, but Chicago has quite a bit of S, both in hobby shops and at train shows, especially the Du Page show. Not quite as far to go as Pennsylvania, etc. Last time I visited, Des Plaines Hobbies (Des Plaines, IL, Chicago area) had dozens of S cars and a bunch of engines, high rail and scale. Here in KC I doubt that I could find 4~5 S items in the few hobby shops we have left. I usually buy most of my S stuff from Doug Peck's Portlines Hobbies, Scenery Unlimited catalog, the Available S Gauge list or occasionally at a local train show. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49820	From: Trains	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Thanks Bill, very well said. I agree with everything you have said and mirror your experiences, both good and bad, and, even I, have been forced to use ebay's paypal for international transactions. I want everyone to understand this clearly: I am not against PayPal use or option to utilize their services - if that is a CHOICE YOU MAKE FREELY for whatever reason. I do STRONGLY object to dictatorial, draconian, "police state" like tactics being used by eBay/PayPal to force a policy, with NO CHOICE of services, methods of payment, or shipping/handling freedom, down my (everyones) throat! This tactic is as if Al Capone (Hitler, Stalin etc. - pick one) came to me and said: "you are now buying my brand of beer (government, religion, etc. pick one) and if you don't -your finished". This new policy by eBay is not FREE ENTERPRISE...it is DICTATORSHIP and is un-American and predetory! Paypal, for a seller, costs a fee - in addition to eBay's ever higher fees, PayPal is a convenient way to do business for international transactions and for those who can not do without using their credit card. PayPal does expand the potential for sales for a seller, through ease of CC use, and facilitating currency rate conversions etc. and that's fine if it IS AN OPTIONAL CHOICE! If I had the wherewithall to file a class action suit against eBay to stop this abuse of our freedom of choice, I would. I am going to send an email/letter to my Congressman and state Senator to try to get the fed interstate commerce people ( some governmental entity) to STOP this assault against one of our most basic freedoms: THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE and the ability to determine MY way of doing MY business, whether buying, trading, selling. I will cease doing business with ebay, and I have done a lot of it, if they force PayPal down my throat...my freedom of choice! This does relate to both S-Scale and S-trains as that is pretty much all I use eBay for, I also do train shows, garage sales, have cards at all the hobby shops and post my cards wherever this is encouraged. I do pick up items, fix trains for people, find parts, track and accesories for friends around the country, in Canada and even overseas. I have tried other e-commerce sites with mixed results. I promote the train hobby and especially S whenever and whereever I can. I want to thank everyone who has decided to speak up pro and con, as you all have made valid points and certainly have a "freedom of choice" (so far) to express your personal preferences and opinions. I realize this subject is more relevant to some and not to others, as are all things discused about things relevant to our cherished train hobby. S Gaugingly yours Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) - With pur spelln! Southern Oregon - the State of Jefferson maybe one day! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49821	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Al, I thought I'd chime in and tell you that lately, the only place I shop (unless I find something at the "every 6 months or so" GATS show), is on eBay. On eBay, you can get a feel for the guys that sell crap and the honest sellers, based on their descriptions and comparing the descriptions to the scans they provide, how they answer your questions concerning condition, if they embellish concerning their grading, etc. I also have had a PayPal account since 2001 and have never had any problems. It doesn't cost the buyer anything to pay via PayPal. It does cost the seller a little from his profits, ever since eBay bought PayPal. Oh, I will tell you guys that I had a bad experience with mwinternetauctionsonmain (his handle on eBay). Seems that he took great offense at my question concerning the condition of one of his items. All I asked him was whether all 4 corner steps were present and whether there was any rust or oxidation on that particular piece, since his descriptions are cryptive and his scan only shows one view of what he offers. When I wrote back to him and told him that I had never experienced any answer as rude as his and would never bid on his auctions, his answer to me was "mission accomplished--happy eBaying elsewhere." If you look at 80% of what he offers, in my opinion it is usually crap. My recommendation to anyone viewing his auctions, even though he is a "Power Seller" is to steer clear of this "Sanford and Son" of the eBay world. Again, this is my opinion, but when dealing with mwinternetauctionsonmain, my advice to you all is buyer beware. Bruce DeGailler TCA 81-16572 ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell So, I live in Portland, Oregon. The S Gauge world is a bit different here, than say in the north east USA. For instance: 1. Having looked in most area hobby shops, I have never found even 50 pieces of S Gauge total, for all shops together (most have none). 2. We have comparatively few train shows. There you will find very little S-Gauge (especially compared to some shows in eastern US). 3. If you want to buy S Gauge, on-line is about your only real choice. I suspect the situation is very much the same for many people in many areas in western USA. If you live in the west, good chance most of your S Gauge purchases are made somehow on-line, unless you like to make shopping trips to eastern USA - which I have done. In the total scheme of things, I am a small time collector. But I buy about 95% of my S-Gauge stuff off ebay (and YES I use PayPal!) With over 300 purchases (and a few sales), I have NEVER had a problem with eBay or Paypal. Those who resist either are only limiting themselves. Using Yahoo's AvailableSGauge is great, but realistically, the size of your potential market is tiny compared to eBay. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tomminil@...> wrote: > > Hello all > > I have beena power seller on ebay for some but do to other life > interests have slowed down on trains and now want to sell all I have. > Some old some new. > > So my question is how do you like to buy trains? What is the best way > to sell my trains other than ebay? > > Tom 708.699.9148 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49822	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

I first heard about ebays storm trooper plans on the Marx Trains group. Below is my reply to them. Perhaps we can do all of our future buying or selling on this group or one formed for that specific purpose. "No more checks or money orders? Well, I have never had a problem with checks, either as a buyer or seller. All you ebay sellers, ebay has just closed the door betwen you and I, and I did a lot of buying. I will not give ebay, or their clone paypal, my account information. Ebay owns paypal and this was not a way to help we the buyer or seller. It is merely a way to force us to use paypal and increase their profits. Well, they have lost my business. My wife will be happy. I will spend less time on the computer." Wayne Beachy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@...> wrote: > > Thanks Bill, very well said. I agree with everything you have said and mirror your experiences, both good and bad, and, even I, have been forced to use ebay's paypal for international transactions. > > I want everyone to understand this clearly: I am not against PayPal use or option to utilize their services - if that is a CHOICE YOU MAKE FREELY for whatever reason. > > I do STRONGLY object to dictatorial, draconian, "police state" like tactics being used by eBay/PayPal to force a policy, with NO CHOICE of services, methods of payment, or shipping/handling freedom, down my (everyones) throat! This tactic is as if Al Capone (Hitler, Stalin etc. - pick one) came to me and said: "you are now buying my brand of beer (government, religion, etc. pick one) and if you don't - your finished". This new policy by eBay is not FREE ENTERPRISE...it is DICTATORSHIP and is un-American and predetory! > > Paypal, for a seller, costs a fee - in addition to eBay's ever higher fees, PayPal is a convenient way to do business for international transactions and for those who can not do without using their credit card. PayPal does expand the potential for sales for a seller, through ease of CC use, and facilitating currency rate conversions etc. and that's fine if it IS AN OPTIONAL CHOICE! > > If I had the wherewithall to file a class action suit against eBay to stop this abuse of our freedom of choice, I would. I am going to send an email/letter to my Congressman and state Senator to try to get the fed interstate commerce people ( some governmental entity) to STOP this assault against one of our most basic freedoms: THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE and the ability to determine MY way of doing MY business, whether buying, trading, selling. > > I will cease doing business with ebay, and I have done a lot of it, if they force PayPal down my throat...my freedom of choice! > > This does relate to both S-Scale and S-trains as that is pretty much all I use eBay for, I also do train shows, garage sales, have cards at all the hobby shops and post my cards wherever this is encouraged. I do pick up items, fix trains for people, find parts, track and accesories for friends around the country, in Canada and even overseas. I have tried other e-commerce sites with mixed results. I promote the train hobby and especially S whenever and whereever I can. > > I want to thank everyone who has decided to speak up pro and con, as you all have made valid points and certainly have a "freedom of choice" (so far) to express your personal preferences and opinions. I realize this subject is more relevant to some and not to others, as are all things discused about things relevant to our cherished train hobby. > > S Gaugingly yours Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) - With pur spelln! > Southern Oregon - the State of Jefferson maybe one day! > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49823	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Just one more checking in from the Phoenix area. I have about 250 train-related transactions on eBay and a lot of them involving PayPal. I have had no difficulties that were attributable to eBay or PayPal, and what small issues I ran into were counterbalanced by an instance where I mis-shipped two items and had very cooperative buyers on the other end to help me unravel the mistake (of course at no cost to them). eBay is not the government where they are us and we have a right to demand changes in services to better meet our needs or preferences. eBay is an offered service which one can take or leave as desired. On the other hand, there is no marketplace that compares in any way with eBay. Whatever they choose to do with their transaction requirements is their option as a service provider. Ours option is to take it or leave it, or voice our concerns on their eBay community resources. But, whatever changes they make, at the end of the day they have to balance the bottom line with the response of the voluntary customer base. To date, the continued popularity (despite the inevitable grousing over changes and preferences) bears testimony to their getting the formula about right over some 12 years of practice and evolution and stunning growth. For me, I buy at train shows and to a greater extent, via Craig's list. Craig's list is most like a formalized community yard sale, and you have to shop and offer in much the same way, but there are nice bargains from time to time if you are persistent and patient. On the other hand, I sell exclusively on eBay, which I have found to be the best market as a seller, as well as providing a realistic market value for the items I sell. I am a small time chaotic collector, more interested in the fun than obtaining pristine examples of every iteration of a particular caboose. As a result, I now have too much and am in the position of soon thinning my "collection" (more like an aggregation!) of O-gauge and few standard gauge items. I will use eBay unhesitatingly. Any charges are just the cost of doing business, and gas prices are pretty much not a consideration as they have become when one is chasing an low-priced yard sale item across (a large) city!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49824	From: George Cohn	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. wrote: > > Again, this is my opinion, but when dealing with > mwinternetauctionsonmain, my advice to you all is buyer beware. > > Bruce DeGailler > TCA 81-16572 > My own really horrible eBay experience has been with the same seller. I bid on a Operating station button and won. Sent him the money order and got a boxcar shell in the mail. When I politely told him that he sent the wrong item and could we exchange it for the correct item, he ignored all my attempts to contact him. After I filed a complaint with eBay a couple of weeks later, he filed a "non-paying bidder" complaint against me. After a contracted dialog through eBay, he agreed to refund my money but only after I returned the wrong item. I returned it and never heard from him again nor received my return. Caveat Emptor. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49825	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

To me, it is hit or miss. Whether at a local train show, ebay, York, through networking among friends, etc. I have no set pattern. For example of networking, I mentioned in a email that I need a 25 w transformer for the stock yard and I was going to a local show tomorrow. Someone on the list kindly email me, to let me know he had one for sale in case I did not find on. So, when I need something, it does not matter how I get it, as long as the price is fair and the product is what the seller says it is. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49826	From: Larry Asp	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

I buy trains for a couple or reasons - first - is to enjoy using them as I did back in the 40s and 50s as a youngster (I still have my first set). Second I collect (by default) - I like to collect pieces I dont have, put sets together for display and use - and I like to buy some new stock that comes out each year. My collecting grew into a space problem (sound familiar?) so I dont hoarde by keeping everything I aquire - so that leads me to sell off duplicates, "runners" and parts, or trade things I dont need or will ever use for things that I can use. I am only interested in collecting quality or pieces I dont have now. Hence - I buy sell and trade at club meets and train meets. I find my trains at train shows, in yard sales (mostly ho/n gauge which I swap or sell in order to buy Flyer) - and yes - in the beginning bought a lot of items on ebay - which I rarely do now. I buy parts from folks like Doug Peck (Portlines) amongsts others. I have become familiar with collectable and valuable pieces by watching ebay sales, checking Greenburg, and talking with others. I buy much more carefully now than I did years ago, and I dont need or want as much of it as I once did. I pay atttention to other gauges like O gauge and their values - they make good traders. I think most of us who enjoy the hobby do things like this. One should also keep in mind the fate of your trains should you " fall off the perch" - keep this in mind since your estate beneficaires could take a real bath if no one is truly aware of value. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49827	From: G C	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

Most of the trains I have came from Ron Borsella's Toy Trains Unlimited in Hanover, PA. Other than that I get them from shows like York (actually Reliance Fire Hall) or even folks on this list. I don't E-Bay, just never have! Available S Gauge has been a good source for me for quite a few things as well.   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49828	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: HOW DO YOU BUY TRAINS

Al, As far as the west coast, When I lived in LA There were about 10 really good places to find Flyer new & used. Then there were the TTOS bi-Monthly meets...mostly O but a lot of Flyer...Then Cal-Stewart in the Fall in Pasadena..The best train show on the West Coast. As far as E-Bay I have had good luck up to my last item. A 343 that had a bad Rev. unit. (I sent it to SnS) I contacted the seller & she said to return it & I did. MISTAKE...She then Re-sold it (for 100 more & didn't let the buyer know it had a bad rev. unit) & has refused to refund my $$. Paypal won't do anything because I sent it back. I have contacted my CC co & stopped payment. We will see what E-Bay will do. I have all her letters. He name is Buywhatisell. Also have issues with mwinternetauctions...Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49829	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/24/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49830	From: John	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: New Poll

Hi All Ever since I have been a member of the group the chat meetings have always been on Sunday evenings I was just wondering what the group thought about changing the day of the chat. I have created a poll to see what you think with the idea of getting more people to attend the chats. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/polls Thank you for your input John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49831	From: John	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Safety Loading Racks

I was searching the internet this morning for some safety loading racks to build around my tank cars and ran across this site with some great pictures in their catalog of what I could build easily. It looks like they have safety racks for hopper cars too! Here is the link to their online catalog check it out! http://saferack2008.netbookpro.com/ John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49832	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

Ok S scalers... check this out!!! The 6 links below lead to photos of a fully customized American Models GP-9 done a short time back by Mr. Bob Harpe of Savannah, GA. The owner of this model is among us, but I will leave it up to him to reveal himself (or not). This is one AWESOME piece of work!!! (Bob says that he only had to scratch-build ONE part for this model (the spark arrester)... all the rest of the detail parts were readily-available) : www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299.jpg www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299a.jpg www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299b.jpg www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299c.jpg www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299d.jpg www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299e.jpg THIS is what S scale is all about, and why S truly is "The Perfect Scale"!!! John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49833	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell

I've never had a problum with eBay or PayPal. But this shove it down your throat thing, had it come sooner, I bet Yahoo Auctions would have done better in the USA. They are still big in other parts of the world, in Japan they got going and eBay was not able to get going there. But, from what I see they have shut down operations in the USA. I'm not sure if they are still in Canada. jfred --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote: From: Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: How do YOU buy trains? Have some to sell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:21 PM I buy trains for a couple or reasons - first - is to enjoy using them as I did back in the 40s and 50s as a youngster (I still have my first set). Second I collect (by default) - I like to collect pieces I dont have, put sets together for display and use - and I like to buy some new stock that comes out each year. My collecting grew into a space problem (sound familiar?) so I dont hoarde by keeping everything I aquire - so that leads me to sell off duplicates, "runners" and parts, or trade things I dont need or will ever use for things that I can use. I am only interested in collecting quality or pieces I dont have now. Hence - I buy sell and trade at club meets and train meets. I find my trains at train shows, in yard sales (mostly ho/n gauge which I swap or sell in order to buy Flyer) - and yes - in the beginning bought a lot of items on ebay - which I rarely do now. I buy parts from folks like Doug Peck (Portlines) amongsts others. I have become familiar with collectable and valuable pieces by watching ebay sales, checking Greenburg, and talking with others. I buy much more carefully now than I did years ago, and I dont need or want as much of it as I once did. I pay atttention to other gauges like O gauge and their values - they make good traders. I think most of us who enjoy the hobby do things like this. One should also keep in mind the fate of your trains should you " fall off the perch" - keep this in mind since your estate beneficaires could take a real bath if no one is truly aware of value. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49834	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

Can not open due to spaces in addresses  --- On Sat, 8/23/08, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! To: "POST : (S) S-Trains Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) SSPM Group" <SSPM@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S-Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 10:25 PM Ok S scalers... check this out!!! The 6 links below lead to photos of a fully customized American Models GP-9 done a short time back by Mr. Bob Harpe of Savannah, GA. The owner of this model is among us, but I will leave it up to him to reveal himself (or not). This is one AWESOME piece of work!!! (Bob says that he only had to scratch-build ONE part for this model (the spark arrester)... all the rest of the detail parts were readily-available) : www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299a. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299b. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299c. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299d. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299e. jpg THIS is what S scale is all about, and why S truly is "The Perfect Scale"!!! John Degnan Scaler164@comcast. net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49835	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do YOU buy trains?

Come to Fall S-Fest in Milwaukee, November 14-16, 2008 Check out our web site: www.trainweb.org/bsg Steve Lunde 2008 Fall S-Fest Chairman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49836	From: David Engle	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

Also, I cannot get the addresses to transfer on my software; they are not hyperlink status where I could just click on them and get results. Sorry. DE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49837	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

John, I removed the blank spaces but can not access these photos. The site says I do not have access because I am not a member. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > Ok S scalers... check this out!!! > > The 6 links below lead to photos of a fully customized American Models GP-9 done a short time back by Mr. Bob Harpe of Savannah, GA. The owner of this model is among us, but I will leave it up to him to reveal himself (or not). This is one AWESOME piece of work!!! (Bob says that he only had to scratch-build ONE part for this model (the spark arrester)... all the rest of the detail parts were readily- available) : > > www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9- SOU299.jpg > > www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9- SOU299a.jpg > > www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9- SOU299b.jpg > > www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9- SOU299c.jpg > > www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9- SOU299d.jpg > > www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9- SOU299e.jpg > > THIS is what S scale is all about, and why S truly is "The Perfect Scale"!!! > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49838	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

I couldn't get the links to work so, but these I think will:   www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299.jpg   www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299a.jpg   www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299b.jpg   www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299c.jpg   www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299d.jpg   www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299e.jpg     Len --- On Sat, 8/23/08, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! To: "POST : (S) S-Trains Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) SSPM Group" <SSPM@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S-Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 8:25 PM Ok S scalers... check this out!!! The 6 links below lead to photos of a fully customized American Models GP-9 done a short time back by Mr. Bob Harpe of Savannah, GA. The owner of this model is among us, but I will leave it up to him to reveal himself (or not). This is one AWESOME piece of work!!! (Bob says that he only had to scratch-build ONE part for this model (the spark arrester)... all the rest of the detail parts were readily-available) : www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299a. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299b. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299c. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299d. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299e. jpg THIS is what S scale is all about, and why S truly is "The Perfect Scale"!!! John Degnan Scaler164@comcast. net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49839	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

There were no spaces in my original post... apparently something happened when the message went through your ISP to your e-mail box because the links are working fine for everyone else so far. I will send them directly to your e-mail address and see if that works. Let me know. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank emiro" <femiro2002@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! Can not open due to spaces in addresses --- On Sat, 8/23/08, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! To: "POST : (S) S-Trains Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) SSPM Group" <SSPM@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S-Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 10:25 PM Ok S scalers... check this out!!! The 6 links below lead to photos of a fully customized American Models GP-9 done a short time back by Mr. Bob Harpe of Savannah, GA. The owner of this model is among us, but I will leave it up to him to reveal himself (or not). This is one AWESOME piece of work!!! (Bob says that he only had to scratch-build ONE part for this model (the spark arrester)... all the rest of the detail parts were readily-available) : www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299a. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299b. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299c. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299d. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299e. jpg THIS is what S scale is all about, and why S truly is "The Perfect Scale"!!! John Degnan Scaler164@comcast. net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49840	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/24/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 24, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49841	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Greenberg Show

This has been one exciting weekend, Eddie from Ohio concert with Great Big Sea from Canada at Wolftrappe Friday, baseball in Hagerstown, Saturday and a Greenberg Train show in Chantilly, VA today. What could be better. LOL I was hoping to find some 1960's HO Street lights, a 25 w transformer for the Stockyard, some odds and ends for the layout, but we found some mint in box AHL S scale motor vehicles. I have some already, but I could use some more, as AHL is out of business. We got 6 different trucks, a Mayflower, Hershey's, Pennzoil, Goldmedal Flour,GEM razors and one other that slips my mind. This person has a 25 w transformer at his house and a uncoupler button I need, as well as American Models couplers that I need to switch my SHS cars over. So I will order those items from him later, as well as some power wheels, SHS, to replace some Lionel ones that do not go through my American Classic track switches. For the day before school starts and a Sunday, the show had allot of people. Miller Electronics was there with there electric signs, that made my Citgo sign. He was quite busy with sales. One vendor was selling coal loads for any size gauge, made out of real coal, Very light and real looking. He has no webpage, but his name is Wilson Harrell at 757-877-7152. Loads are 8 each for HO and S and 8.50 to 9.50 depending on maker in O. O ore loads where 7.50. One vendor had a big assortment of AF HO in box that could be just about Mint or LN. Three tables full, so if anyone is collecting AF HO go to www.americanflyerlines.com. And on that the note the day ended sadly, as the Washington Nationals lost to the Chicago Cubs, 6 to 1. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49842	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Poll

Not a choice given, but I would vote for more chat. Holidays come to mind. jfred P. S. The room is there and can be used any time people drop in, if you can get them to come. --- On Sun, 8/24/08, John <beebear@...> wrote: From: John <beebear@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New Poll To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 5:26 AM Hi All Ever since I have been a member of the group the chat meetings have always been on Sunday evenings I was just wondering what the group thought about changing the day of the chat. I have created a poll to see what you think with the idea of getting more people to attend the chats. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ polls Thank you for your input John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49843	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

John, They aren't working for me either...how come the site address doesn't turn blue????\ thanks gale ----- Original Message ----- From: John Degnan To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! There were no spaces in my original post... apparently something happened when the message went through your ISP to your e-mail box because the links are working fine for everyone else so far. I will send them directly to your e-mail address and see if that works. Let me know. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank emiro" <femiro2002@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! Can not open due to spaces in addresses --- On Sat, 8/23/08, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! To: "POST : (S) S-Trains Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) SSPM Group" <SSPM@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S-Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 10:25 PM Ok S scalers... check this out!!! The 6 links below lead to photos of a fully customized American Models GP-9 done a short time back by Mr. Bob Harpe of Savannah, GA. The owner of this model is among us, but I will leave it up to him to reveal himself (or not). This is one AWESOME piece of work!!! (Bob says that he only had to scratch-build ONE part for this model (the spark arrester)... all the rest of the detail parts were readily-available) : www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299a. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299b. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299c. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299d. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299e. jpg THIS is what S scale is all about, and why S truly is "The Perfect Scale"!!! John Degnan Scaler164@comcast. net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49844	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

All I can tell you folks is that the links work perfectly fine for me BEFORE I made the post and AFTERWARDS as well since I do check my posts for errors even after they are sent. No problem on my end. So the problem must be on your end since only a few folks have had problems whereas most haven't. Check your browser's settings... that's the best I can tell you. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Engle" <RIRocket@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! > Also, I cannot get the addresses to transfer on my software; they are not hyperlink status where I could just click on them and get results. Sorry. DE > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49845	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

Those links (below) are IDENTICAL to the way they looked BEFORE and AFTER I posted them. Apparently you folks who are having problems are using some sort of web broswer that is not entirely compatible with normal hyperlinks... or have your browser's setting messed up somehow. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lennis Hall" <len_hall@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! I couldn't get the links to work so, but these I think will: www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299.jpg www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299a.jpg www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299b.jpg www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299c.jpg www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299d.jpg www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299e.jpg Len --- On Sat, 8/23/08, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! To: "POST : (S) S-Trains Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) SSPM Group" <SSPM@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S-Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 8:25 PM Ok S scalers... check this out!!! The 6 links below lead to photos of a fully customized American Models GP-9 done a short time back by Mr. Bob Harpe of Savannah, GA. The owner of this model is among us, but I will leave it up to him to reveal himself (or not). This is one AWESOME piece of work!!! (Bob says that he only had to scratch-build ONE part for this model (the spark arrester)... all the rest of the detail parts were readily-available) : www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299a. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299b. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299c. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299d. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299e. jpg THIS is what S scale is all about, and why S truly is "The Perfect Scale"!!! John Degnan Scaler164@comcast. net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49846	From: G C	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

If the links get transfered properly should they not come as blue? Nothing works for me as well. I get individual posts not a digest. Is this a Yahoo thing? Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49847	From: Glenn	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

This should help most of you. Try to keep the whole link in tact. http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299b.jpg Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: John Degnan To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:02 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! There were no spaces in my original post... apparently something happened when the message went through your ISP to your e-mail box because the links are working fine for everyone else so far. I will send them directly to your e-mail address and see if that works. Let me know. John Degnan Scaler164@... . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49848	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

Hi John:   You were rgiht.  They had spaces again when they came trought my ISP.  I'm not sure why.  Anyway, thanks,   Len --- On Sun, 8/24/08, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 9:02 AM There were no spaces in my original post... apparently something happened when the message went through your ISP to your e-mail box because the links are working fine for everyone else so far. I will send them directly to your e-mail address and see if that works. Let me know. John Degnan Scaler164@comcast. net ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank emiro" <femiro2002@yahoo. com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! Can not open due to spaces in addresses --- On Sat, 8/23/08, John Degnan <Scaler164@comcast. net> wrote: From: John Degnan <Scaler164@comcast. net> Subject: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! To: "POST : (S) S-Trains Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com>, "POST : (S) SSPM Group" <SSPM@yahoogroups. com>, "POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroad ing Group" <sscalemodelrailroad ing@yahoogroups. com>, "POST : (S) S-Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups .com> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 10:25 PM Ok S scalers... check this out!!! The 6 links below lead to photos of a fully customized American Models GP-9 done a short time back by Mr. Bob Harpe of Savannah, GA. The owner of this model is among us, but I will leave it up to him to reveal himself (or not). This is one AWESOME piece of work!!! (Bob says that he only had to scratch-build ONE part for this model (the spark arrester)... all the rest of the detail parts were readily-available) : www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299a. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299b. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299c. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299d. jpg www.trainweb. org/seaboard/ MODELS/BobHarpe- AmericanModelsGP -9-SOU299e. jpg THIS is what S scale is all about, and why S truly is "The Perfect Scale"!!! John Degnan Scaler164@comcast. net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49849	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

The problem MUST be a Yahoo goof. The links turned blue for me and many others who have also seen the photos. There are NO SPACES OF ANY KIND in the links I posted. If there are spaces in the ones you are seeing, remove them and then the link should work. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "G C" <ecphora123@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! > If the links get transfered properly should they not come as blue? Nothing works for me as well. I get individual posts not a digest. Is this a Yahoo thing? > Gene Cimino > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49850	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

Now, Glenn, that worked many thanks.....and John thanks for posting it is fantastic work... gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! This should help most of you. Try to keep the whole link in tact. http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/MODELS/BobHarpe-AmericanModelsGP-9-SOU299b.jpg Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: John Degnan To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:02 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! There were no spaces in my original post... apparently something happened when the message went through your ISP to your e-mail box because the links are working fine for everyone else so far. I will send them directly to your e-mail address and see if that works. Let me know. John Degnan Scaler164@... . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49851	From: John	Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

If the links don't work you may need to change how you receive your mail Try setting it to HTML instead of plain text John ----- Original Message ----- From: "G C" <ecphora123@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! > If the links get transfered properly should they not come as blue? Nothing > works for me as well. I get individual posts not a digest. Is this a Yahoo > thing? > Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49852	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

Hi John, I removed the spaces and was taken to a page that said I did not have access to the site because I am not a member. Did anyone else get this page? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > The problem MUST be a Yahoo goof. The links turned blue for me and many > others who have also seen the photos. > > There are NO SPACES OF ANY KIND in the links I posted. If there are spaces > in the ones you are seeing, remove them and then the link should work. > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "G C" <ecphora123@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:42 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! > > > > If the links get transfered properly should they not come as blue? Nothing > works for me as well. I get individual posts not a digest. Is this a Yahoo > thing? > > Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49853	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

The photos are on my web site and they require no membership to view them. If you got such an error message, the link you used is still not correct. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! > Hi John, > > I removed the spaces and was taken to a page that said I did not > have access to the site because I am not a member. Did anyone else > get this page? > > BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49854	From: David Engle	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

Prototypically speaking, why the stack extension around the fan next to the cab? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49855	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Roadway

Today in the company town of the D&K RR, 80" of roadway from Scenic Express was put down, which is about 424 ft in S scale. The roadway goes by the News and Frank Stand, the RR station, the water tower I built, then it curves to the right and then left as a "S" curve pass the Branford Diner and Gas Station, before ending just a bit for the T intersection to either the PLasticville Turnpike or commercial district area. Although this is no grass down yet, the roadway really makes the layout look allot better, then just some bare painted wood. In other areas, I put three more advertising signs on the wall for the ballpark, Terrapin Taco with Turtle, U of MD logo and Terps. I have a Coca Cola ad I will be printing out. I am looking for a older Oldsmobile logo to put on the wall, as I found one, but it does not have the rocket I want. Gravel was put down outside the wall, completely. I will be ordering some grass mats next. All 8 cats are safely on top of the Turnpike toll booth, as one cat is upside down, maybe dead, with four paws up. We will have to check for life signs tomorrow. But then, it is just a mass of lead. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49856	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: An eBay rant.....

Let me say at the outset that I use both ebay and PayPal from time to time to buy junk and parts and once in a while an actual complete car or loco! I had trouble with PayPal years ago when they started, but not in recent years. I'm not a great fan of the coming "ebay/PayPal monopoly" however, if it protects the buyer, that's fine with me. Lord knows, we need it! Being a "scrounger" I watch and bid on ebay more than I actually buy, and have noticed that the same old stuff goes on over and over, and is never cleaned up. The one that gripes me most is the shilling that goes on. After so long you begin to notice it on certain sellers. You are bidding on a particular item and the same names bid a dollar more every time you bid. Yet an identical item elsewhere is never bid on by these names. I love it when the prospective sucker doesn't bite and the item is back a day or two later! I've seen things return four and five times before the seller either gives up or someone falls for their crap. Ebay never seems to notice. Another one that has gotten old is the seller who says "I know nothing about trains" or "I have no way to test this". Yet they've been successfully selling this stuff for years. Don't you think a little knowledge would rub off on them after all these years, or a spare transformer would appear for them to use to test? Another one that gets me is the seller who has good photos of some items, yet bad ones of others. Especially if the item's condition is suspect. Duh, you think we haven't figured this out? There's plenty of misrepresentation going around on ebay to start with! Or how about the people who start the selling price at a phenominally high price, all out of reason for the market. The same items return week after week and you just want to ask the seller, "What the Hell is wrong with you? Don't you have a price guide?" EBay's feedback system is biased to all good comments. You have problems if you want to leave even slightly negative feedback. It's like "the Gestopo knows Hitler is bad, but you can't say that." Your observations and eperiances may vary. Possibly as I get older, I'm less tolerant of morons and crooks. That's why I retired early from the school system. Stumpy Stone...I have to go buy some overpriced gasoline next...in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49857	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: DCC and Miller power trucks

Gentlemen and Ladies: I have been fooling around with a Miller power axle. This is the bipolar motor with segmented wheels. I am thinking the only way to power this axle using overhead without a total rebuild would be to expand the wheel. I would add metal tires to the outside, insulated from the original, segmented wheels. Power the Miller axle with a wiper against the rear of the original wheels. Add another wiper to pickup rail power from the outer tires. Anyone have any alterative ideas? Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49858	From: spyderweb@uwalumni.com	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: An eBay rant.....

Stumpy Stone writes: > I'm not a great fan of the coming "ebay/PayPal > monopoly" however, if it protects the buyer, that's fine with me. > Lord knows, we need it! As I understand it, the "new rules" would allow both PayPal OR regular credit/debit cards. For me, PayPal is the wiser choice -- someone with my name, address and credit card number could do a lot of damage, but they couldn't break into a PayPal account without knowing my password (and I don't keep any funds there anyway). In any event, I'm not going to send cash (duh!), I'm not going to make a trip to the bank to get a cashier's check or M.O., and there's no way to prove that you sent a check if the seller claims he never got it.. > ...how about the people who start the selling > price at a phenominally high price, all out of > reason for the market. It happens, of course, but it's hardly a problem -- just don't bid :-) > EBay's feedback system is biased to all good > comments. You have problems if you want to > leave even slightly negative feedback. It's like "the Gestopo knows > Hitler is bad, but you > can't say that." Which, I suspect, is one reason why sellers will no longer allowed be to post negative feedback. Supposedly, buyers were reluctant to give negative feedback for fear of getting a negative feedback in retaliation. > Possibly as I get older, I'm less tolerant of morons and crooks. As am I. But shifting to a system where sellers post their wares to email groups like this one -- usually with no photo and at a "take it or leave it" price -- is unlikely to solve that problem. JR Hill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49859	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Roadway

Mike, Did you say !!!!!!!!!!!LEAD!!!!!!!!!! ? You certainly do know how to push the envelope. Big Brother EPA is watching. Be cautious of answering knocks on your door. Larry Moore To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; jsnell5990@...; ralcor888@...; cookster1030@...; steve.conard@...; jcryba12@...: mlmarmer@...: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:53:24 -0400Subject: [S-Trains] Roadway Today in the company town of the D&K RR, 80" of roadway from Scenic Express was put down, which is about 424 ft in S scale.The roadway goes by the News and Frank Stand, the RR station, the water tower I built, then it curves to the right and then left as a "S" curve pass the Branford Diner and Gas Station, before ending just a bit for the T intersection to either the PLasticville Turnpike or commercial district area.Although this is no grass down yet, the roadway really makes the layout look allot better, then just some bare painted wood.In other areas, I put three more advertising signs on the wall for the ballpark, Terrapin Taco with Turtle, U of MD logo and Terps. I have a Coca Cola ad I will be printing out. I am looking for a older Oldsmobile logo to put on the wall, as I found one, but it does not have the rocket I want.Gravel was put down outside the wall, completely.I will be ordering some grass mats next.All 8 cats are safely on top of the Turnpike toll booth, as one cat is upside down, maybe dead, with four paws up. We will have to check for life signs tomorrow.But then, it is just a mass of lead.Mike Marmer[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be�learn how to burn a DVD with Windows�. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49860	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: An eBay rant.....

Hi Stumpy, I've changed employers so I don't get up to Ahia anymore. Maybe I'll find a reason to get back up there and pay you a visit at the hobby shop some time. Concerning the shilling part of your rant, I'm not sure what you described is shilling. Suppose an item is currently bid at $25.00 and I think it's worth $50.00. If I know I will not be available at the end of the auction to try sniping and I "really" want it then I might go ahead and bid $50.00. My bid will go in as the next minimum increment (let's say its $1.00). So my bid now shows as $26.00. Then Mr. Stumpy comes along and decides to bid $32.00. My bid automatically trumps his and mine goes to $33.00. This will continue until you bid say $49.75. My bid is still higher but can only go to $50.00 since that is my maximum bid. You now know my maximum is $50.00 and you can bid anything over $51.00 and be the new high bidder. No shilling going on here - I was just willing to pay up to $50.00 for it even though it was only at $25.00 when I bid on it. I'm sure actual shilling goes on and I actually know a couple of guys who spend most of their free time spotting shillers and running the price up to try to hang the shillers. Sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. But they enjoy playing "the game". The thing that I don't understand is when the high bidder is shown with the high bid and another unknown but higher bid. When you bid both of his bids automatically increase. I'm guessing this is some kind of software proxy device at work but I don't understand how it would help the bidder. ttyl, BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Let me say at the outset that I use both ebay and PayPal from time > to time to buy junk and parts and once in a while an actual complete > car or loco! I had trouble with PayPal years ago when they started, > but not in recent years. I'm not a great fan of the > coming "ebay/PayPal monopoly" however, if it protects the buyer, > that's fine with me. Lord knows, we need it! > Being a "scrounger" I watch and bid on ebay more than I actually > buy, and have noticed that the same old stuff goes on over and over, > and is never cleaned up. > The one that gripes me most is the shilling that goes on. After so > long you begin to notice it on certain sellers. You are bidding on a > particular item and the same names bid a dollar more every time you > bid. Yet an identical item elsewhere is never bid on by these > names. I love it when the prospective sucker doesn't bite and the > item is back a day or two later! I've seen things return four and > five times before the seller either gives up or someone falls for > their crap. Ebay never seems to notice. > Another one that has gotten old is the seller who says "I know > nothing about trains" or "I have no way to test this". Yet they've > been successfully selling this stuff for years. Don't you think a > little knowledge would rub off on them after all these years, or a > spare transformer would appear for them to use to test? > Another one that gets me is the seller who has good photos of some > items, yet bad ones of others. Especially if the item's condition is > suspect. Duh, you think we haven't figured this out? There's plenty > of misrepresentation going around on ebay to start with! > Or how about the people who start the selling price at a > phenominally high price, all out of reason for the market. The same > items return week after week and you just want to ask the > seller, "What the Hell is wrong with you? Don't you have a price > guide?" > EBay's feedback system is biased to all good comments. You have > problems if you want to leave even slightly negative feedback. It's > like "the Gestopo knows Hitler is bad, but you can't say that." > Your observations and eperiances may vary. Possibly as I get > older, I'm less tolerant of morons and crooks. That's why I retired > early from the school system. > Stumpy Stone...I have to go buy some overpriced gasoline next...in > eastern Ahia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49861	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Sound for DC Steamers??

I have noticed for some time that our two leading manufacturers of S - other than big L, both sell steamers with sound ONLY in the AC versions. Yet we know it is possible to have sound in DC versions since they are available in O & HO scale. I am sure there must be some reason why we can't get DC locos with sound, maybe some one of you out there can enlighten me about why. So my question is, do I assume correctly, that if one was smart enough, they could put a sound unit in S gauge DC steamers (non-DCC)? Have any of you done it? Are directions/instructions available? I also assume it might make a difference whether you are talking about an old Gilbert DC loco, AM or SHS. Thanks, Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49862	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??

Dear Al, You must not be referring to SHS as both the Tsunami and LocoMatic sound that we offer work on DC. I am not sure why you are having a problem. One side note. When we started to take orders for our 2-8-0, 20% were for the Tsunami and 20% were for DC no sound. Once they came out, of these two groups, 95% are now DCC Tsunami. Best regards, Don On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Al Baker wrote: > I have noticed for some time that our two leading manufacturers of S - > other than big L, both sell steamers with sound ONLY in the AC > versions. Yet we know it is possible to have sound in DC versions > since > they are available in O & HO scale. I am sure there must be some > reason why we can't get DC locos with sound, maybe some one of you out > there can enlighten me about why. > > So my question is, do I assume correctly, that if one was smart > enough, > they could put a sound unit in S gauge DC steamers (non-DCC)? Have any > of you done it? Are directions/instructions available? I also assume > it might make a difference whether you are talking about an old > Gilbert > DC loco, AM or SHS. > > Thanks, > Al Baker > Portland, OR > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49863	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??

No problem putting sound units in DC locos. We do it for customers. DCC decoders are just the "trigger" for the whistle, bell, etc. One just needs a controller such as a Dallee #755 for regular DC operation and function. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 08/26/2008 1:29:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, albaker33@... writes: I have noticed for some time that our two leading manufacturers of S - other than big L, both sell steamers with sound ONLY in the AC versions. Yet we know it is possible to have sound in DC versions since they are available in O & HO scale. I am sure there must be some reason why we can't get DC locos with sound, maybe some one of you out there can enlighten me about why. So my question is, do I assume correctly, that if one was smart enough, they could put a sound unit in S gauge DC steamers (non-DCC)? Have any of you done it? Are directions/instructof you done it? Are direct it might make a difference whether you are talking about an old Gilbert DC loco, AM or SHS. Thanks, Al Baker Portland, OR **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49864	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??

Don, All, Let me make it clear, I am referring to Non-DCC locomotives. Sorry but my layout is far too small to consider DCC. Also Don, let me apologize if I mis-stated regarding your products. So does one of your 2-8-0 versions run on DC power with sound, and without DCC? If so, I didn't understand and apologize. Thanks, Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Dear Al, > You must not be referring to SHS as both the Tsunami and LocoMatic > sound that we offer work on DC. I am not sure why you are having a > problem. One side note. When we started to take orders for our > 2-8-0, 20% were for the Tsunami and 20% were for DC no sound. Once > they came out, of these two groups, 95% are now DCC Tsunami. > Best regards, > Don > > On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Al Baker wrote: > > > I have noticed for some time that our two leading manufacturers of S - > > other than big L, both sell steamers with sound ONLY in the AC > > versions. Yet we know it is possible to have sound in DC versions > > since > > they are available in O & HO scale. I am sure there must be some > > reason why we can't get DC locos with sound, maybe some one of you out > > there can enlighten me about why. > > > > So my question is, do I assume correctly, that if one was smart > > enough, > > they could put a sound unit in S gauge DC steamers (non-DCC)? Have any > > of you done it? Are directions/instructions available? I also assume > > it might make a difference whether you are talking about an old > > Gilbert > > DC loco, AM or SHS. > > > > Thanks, > > Al Baker > > Portland, OR > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49865	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??

Steve, Let me be sure I understand: 1. I assume you are saying that this can be done without need for DCC? Correct? 2. Can you put that sound in original Gilbert AF DC steamers? 3. Can you put it in American Models DC steamers, which I assume can not be bought from AM with sound? Thanks, Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > > No problem putting sound units in DC locos. We do it for customers. DCC > decoders are just the "trigger" for the whistle, bell, etc. One just needs a > controller such as a Dallee #755 for regular DC operation and function. > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > In a message dated 08/26/2008 1:29:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > albaker33@... writes: > > > > > I have noticed for some time that our two leading manufacturers of S - > other than big L, both sell steamers with sound ONLY in the AC > versions. Yet we know it is possible to have sound in DC versions since > they are available in O & HO scale. I am sure there must be some > reason why we can't get DC locos with sound, maybe some one of you out > there can enlighten me about why. > > So my question is, do I assume correctly, that if one was smart enough, > they could put a sound unit in S gauge DC steamers (non-DCC)? Have any > of you done it? Are directions/instructof you done it? Are direct > it might make a difference whether you are talking about an old Gilbert > DC loco, AM or SHS. > > Thanks, > Al Baker > Portland, OR > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49866	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!!

Not really sure. But knowing the guy who built it, I'm "positive" the SOUTHERN had a prototype for it. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Engle" <RIRocket@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AWESOME Customized AM GP-9 !!! > Prototypically speaking, why the stack extension around the fan next to the cab?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49867	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??

Dear Al, Yes to all. Except by YOU, I assume you are not talking about ME. My engines come that way already. As for the rest, the electronics can work, but for installation, it is up to you or someone you get to install them for you. I know people have been putting LocoMatic sound in AF engines for years. Don PS What do you have against DCC? On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:13 PM, Al Baker wrote: > Steve, > Let me be sure I understand: > 1. I assume you are saying that this can be done without need for > DCC? Correct? > 2. Can you put that sound in original Gilbert AF DC steamers? > 3. Can you put it in American Models DC steamers, which I assume can > not be bought from AM with sound? > > Thanks, > Al > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > > > > > No problem putting sound units in DC locos. We do it for > customers. DCC > > decoders are just the "trigger" for the whistle, bell, etc. One > just needs a > > controller such as a Dallee #755 for regular DC operation and > function. > > Steve > > SnS Trains > > Boise > > In a message dated 08/26/2008 1:29:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > albaker33@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed for some time that our two leading manufacturers of > S - > > other than big L, both sell steamers with sound ONLY in the AC > > versions. Yet we know it is possible to have sound in DC versions > since > > they are available in O & HO scale. I am sure there must be some > > reason why we can't get DC locos with sound, maybe some one of you > out > > there can enlighten me about why. > > > > So my question is, do I assume correctly, that if one was smart > enough, > > they could put a sound unit in S gauge DC steamers (non-DCC)? Have > any > > of you done it? Are directions/instructof you done it? Are direct > > it might make a difference whether you are talking about an old > Gilbert > > DC loco, AM or SHS. > > > > Thanks, > > Al Baker > > Portland, OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > your travel > > deal here. > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49868	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: An eBay rant.....

Stumpy, The change in the feedback was a good one. You can still leave bad feedback for a seller it's the buyer you can't leave bad feedback for. rightly so, if the buyer pays for an item what can the buyer do to the seller? Too many sellers were holding the buyers feedback HOSTAGE until the seller got good feedback. If you left bad feedback for a seller you got the same in return. Mike In a message dated 8/26/2008 12:27:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spyderweb@... writes: Stumpy Stone writes: > I'm not a great fan of the coming "ebay/PayPal > monopoly" however, if it protects the buyer, that's fine with me. > Lord knows, we need it! As I understand it, the "new rules" would allow both PayPal OR regular credit/debit cards. For me, PayPal is the wiser choice -- someone with my name, address and credit card number could do a lot of damage, but they couldn't break into a PayPal account without knowing my password (and I don't keep any funds there anyway). In any event, I'm not going to send cash (duh!), I'm not going to make a trip to the bank to get a cashier's check or M.O., and there's no way to prove that you sent a check if the seller claims he never got it.. > ...how about the people who start the selling > price at a phenominally high price, all out of > reason for the market. It happens, of course, but it's hardly a problem -- just don't bid :-) > EBay's feedback system is biased to all good > comments. You have problems if you want to > leave even slightly negative feedback. It's like "the Gestopo knows > Hitler is bad, but you > can't say that." Which, I suspect, is one reason why sellers will no longer allowed be to post negative feedback. Supposedly, buyers were reluctant to give negative feedback for fear of getting a negative feedback in retaliation. > Possibly as I get older, I'm less tolerant of morons and crooks. As am I. But shifting to a system where sellers post their wares to email groups like this one -- usually with no photo and at a "take it or leave it" price -- is unlikely to solve that problem. JR Hill Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49869	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??

Al, Sound units can be installed and operated in any DC locomotive that the parts will fit into. DCC decoders are not necessary. Steve In a message dated 08/26/2008 3:53:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, albaker33@... writes: Steve, Let me be sure I understand: 1. I assume you are saying that this can be done without need for DCC? Correct? 2. Can you put that sound in original Gilbert AF DC steamers? 3. Can you put it in American Models DC steamers, which I assume can not be bought from AM with sound? Thanks, Al --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , boss31@... wrote: > > > No problem putting sound units in DC locos. We do it for customers. DCC > decoders are just the "trigger" for the whistle, bell, etc. One just needs a > controller such as a Dallee #755 for regular DC operation and function. > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > In a message dated 08/26/2008 1:29:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > albaker33@.. albaker33@.. > > > > > I have noticed for some time that our two leading manufacturers of S - > other than big L, both sell steamers with sound ONLY in the AC > versions. Yet we know it is possible to have sound in DC versions since > they are available in O & HO scale. I am sure there must be some > reason why we can't get DC locos with sound, maybe some one of you out > there can enlighten me about why. > > So my question is, do I assume correctly, that if one was smart enough, > they could put a sound unit in S gauge DC steamers (non-DCC)? Have any > of you done it? Are directions/instruct of you done it? Are d > it might make a difference whether you are talking about an old Gilbert > DC loco, AM or SHS. > > Thanks, > Al Baker > Portland, OR > > > > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**It's only a deal if it's where you your travel > deal here. > (_http://information.http://infohttp://infhttp://informatihttp://in_ (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49870	From: rwferr1	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: 2 prong plug wiring question

Gentlemen, I have pored over archived messages and found only one reference to wiring the engine to tender plug. I just bought 2 of them, one for my recently purchased 21085 and the other to repair a 21160 donated to our club. I have another 21160 and there is enough colored wire left on the 21085 to get the wiring assigned to its proper pin for both engines. What gauge wire should I use to replace the old wire and is tapping the pin back against the wire sufficient for a connection or is there a better way to make a connection, such as tinning the wire and the pin and heating the pin enough to melt the solder back in the plug? Or is that overkill? Thanks in advance, Ron Ferrel Pocatello, ID

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49871	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??

Hi Don, Thanks for your answers. I have nothing against DCC. But with a "small" layout (6x10 plus a 4x4 L), I have two concentric loops only big enough to run one train at a time on each. I'm pretty unsophisticated layout-wise -- manual switches and no operating accessories. So I don't think DCC will do much for me - right? At least not enough to justify the expense - right? Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Dear Al, > Yes to all. Except by YOU, I assume you are not talking about ME. > My engines come that way already. As for the rest, the electronics > can work, but for installation, it is up to you or someone you get to > install them for you. I know people have been putting LocoMatic sound > in AF engines for years. > Don > PS What do you have against DCC? > > On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:13 PM, Al Baker wrote: > > > Steve, > > Let me be sure I understand: > > 1. I assume you are saying that this can be done without need for > > DCC? Correct? > > 2. Can you put that sound in original Gilbert AF DC steamers? > > 3. Can you put it in American Models DC steamers, which I assume can > > not be bought from AM with sound? > > > > Thanks, > > Al > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > No problem putting sound units in DC locos. We do it for > > customers. DCC > > > decoders are just the "trigger" for the whistle, bell, etc. One > > just needs a > > > controller such as a Dallee #755 for regular DC operation and > > function. > > > Steve > > > SnS Trains > > > Boise > > > In a message dated 08/26/2008 1:29:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > > albaker33@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed for some time that our two leading manufacturers of > > S - > > > other than big L, both sell steamers with sound ONLY in the AC > > > versions. Yet we know it is possible to have sound in DC versions > > since > > > they are available in O & HO scale. I am sure there must be some > > > reason why we can't get DC locos with sound, maybe some one of you > > out > > > there can enlighten me about why. > > > > > > So my question is, do I assume correctly, that if one was smart > > enough, > > > they could put a sound unit in S gauge DC steamers (non-DCC)? Have > > any > > > of you done it? Are directions/instructof you done it? Are direct > > > it might make a difference whether you are talking about an old > > Gilbert > > > DC loco, AM or SHS. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Al Baker > > > Portland, OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > > your travel > > > deal here. > > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49872	From: Trains	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: 2 prong plug wiring question

Hi, Peter in Oregon, check Carl Tuvesons web site he has a great set of diagrams etc for wiring any AF loco, and Doug Peck's hobby shop site has a section that shows wiring diagrams also, there are several other dealer/parts sites that have the correct diagrams for wiring. And don't forget tpo ask Steve at SnS in Boise, a great resource! Most important with tender-engine hook up wire is FLEXIBILITY, most parts suppliers have the correctly sized and very flexible wire available.....I would not use anything heavier than 18 Ga. and not lighter than 26 Ga. As far as soldering goes ...I think one should always pre- tin stranded/braided wire before soldering to any point, and this also alows youn to manipulate/bend wire end to insert in tube/hole/ etc. With the AF 2 wire plug no problem...on inside of tender the tabs require a bit of care and quick work to not soften/melt plastic tender....a pre tined wire makes this process quicker and easyer. You can use a wet Q tip or bit of wet paper wraped around area where tabs are or heat sink with a forceps or spring loaded tweezer. Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49873	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??

Dear Al, Each to there own, but it seems to me you have never heard the actual Tsunami steam or diesel sounds or the Loco sound units on a small layout. You should get a copy of Brooke Stovers DVD. I think you might have a different opinion. Best, Don On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Al Baker wrote: > Hi Don, > Thanks for your answers. I have nothing against DCC. But with > a "small" layout (6x10 plus a 4x4 L), I have two concentric loops > only big enough to run one train at a time on each. I'm pretty > unsophisticated layout-wise -- manual switches and no operating > accessories. So I don't think DCC will do much for me - right? At > least not enough to justify the expense - right? > Al > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > > > Dear Al, > > Yes to all. Except by YOU, I assume you are not talking about > ME. > > My engines come that way already. As for the rest, the > electronics > > can work, but for installation, it is up to you or someone you get > to > > install them for you. I know people have been putting LocoMatic > sound > > in AF engines for years. > > Don > > PS What do you have against DCC? > > > > On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:13 PM, Al Baker wrote: > > > > > Steve, > > > Let me be sure I understand: > > > 1. I assume you are saying that this can be done without need for > > > DCC? Correct? > > > 2. Can you put that sound in original Gilbert AF DC steamers? > > > 3. Can you put it in American Models DC steamers, which I assume > can > > > not be bought from AM with sound? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Al > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem putting sound units in DC locos. We do it for > > > customers. DCC > > > > decoders are just the "trigger" for the whistle, bell, etc. One > > > just needs a > > > > controller such as a Dallee #755 for regular DC operation and > > > function. > > > > Steve > > > > SnS Trains > > > > Boise > > > > In a message dated 08/26/2008 1:29:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight > Time, > > > > albaker33@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed for some time that our two leading manufacturers > of > > > S - > > > > other than big L, both sell steamers with sound ONLY in the AC > > > > versions. Yet we know it is possible to have sound in DC > versions > > > since > > > > they are available in O & HO scale. I am sure there must be some > > > > reason why we can't get DC locos with sound, maybe some one of > you > > > out > > > > there can enlighten me about why. > > > > > > > > So my question is, do I assume correctly, that if one was smart > > > enough, > > > > they could put a sound unit in S gauge DC steamers (non-DCC)? > Have > > > any > > > > of you done it? Are directions/instructof you done it? Are > direct > > > > it might make a difference whether you are talking about an old > > > Gilbert > > > > DC loco, AM or SHS. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Al Baker > > > > Portland, OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. > Find > > > your travel > > > > deal here. > > > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals? > ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49874	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??

Don... You know me, I am a Flyer purest... I want my AF like it should be and sound like it did when I was a kid!!!! With well over 100 boxed sets that kinda sets my path. But I really would like to have SOUND and STUFFon my layout.... Can you post a brief synopisis of what DCC entails... Costs to convert AF locos, etc.... I can always park my original AF on a siding and run Modified stuff... Still trying to figure how to run my Hopper train... over 100 of your cars on my 4x8 layout!!!!! I would really like to have something different at times.... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from Don Thompson <don@...>: -------------- Dear Al, Each to there own, but it seems to me you have never heard the actual Tsunami steam or diesel sounds or the Loco sound units on a small layout. You should get a copy of Brooke Stovers DVD. I think you might have a different opinion. Best, Don On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Al Baker wrote: > Hi Don, > Thanks for your answers. I have nothing against DCC. But with > a "small" layout (6x10 plus a 4x4 L), I have two concentric loops > only big enough to run one train at a time on each. I'm pretty > unsophisticated layout-wise -- manual switches and no operating > accessories. So I don't think DCC will do much for me - right? At > least not enough to justify the expense - right? > Al > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > > > Dear Al, > > Yes to all. Except by YOU, I assume you are not talking about > ME. > > My engines come that way already. As for the rest, the > electronics > > can work, but for installation, it is up to you or someone you get > to > > install them for you. I know people have been putting LocoMatic > sound > > in AF engines for years. > > Don > > PS What do you have against DCC? > > > > On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:13 PM, Al Baker wrote: > > > > > Steve, > > > Let me be sure I understand: > > > 1. I assume you are saying that this can be done without need for > > > DCC? Correct? > > > 2. Can you put that sound in original Gilbert AF DC steamers? > > > 3. Can you put it in American Models DC steamers, which I assume > can > > > not be bought from AM with sound? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Al > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem putting sound units in DC locos. We do it for > > > customers. DCC > > > > decoders are just the "trigger" for the whistle, bell, etc. One > > > just needs a > > > > controller such as a Dallee #755 for regular DC operation and > > > function. > > > > Steve > > > > SnS Trains > > > > Boise > > > > In a message dated 08/26/2008 1:29:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight > Time, > > > > albaker33@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed for some time that our two leading manufacturers > of > > > S - > > > > other than big L, both sell steamers with sound ONLY in the AC > > > > versions. Yet we know it is possible to have sound in DC > versions > > > since > > > > they are available in O & HO scale. I am sure there must be some > > > > reason why we can't get DC locos with sound, maybe some one of > you > > > out > > > > there can enlighten me about why. > > > > > > > > So my question is, do I assume correctly, that if one was smart > > > enough, > > > > they could put a sound unit in S gauge DC steamers (non-DCC)? > Have > > > any > > > > of you done it? Are directions/instructof you done it? Are > direct > > > > it might make a difference whether you are talking about an old > > > Gilbert > > > > DC loco, AM or SHS. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Al Baker > > > > Portland, OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. > Find > > > your travel > > > > deal here. > > > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals? > ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49875	From: Trains	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Nord Mikado

To: Bob McCarthy THE SUPPLY CAR, LLC and everyone else interested in "Nord" Nord was one of the premieir S scale manufactures in 40's, 50's and early 60's The made a variety of kits for S steam loco's, and I believe also had some deisel switcher kits. Most notably I remember a 2-8-0, USRA style 4-6-2 Pacific and 2-8-2 Mikado. They also put out several kits for refitting AF engines to run on scale drivers and wheels...they were great and even made an AF engine look better with see through spoked drivers of various diameters. I had a hudsonn that I converted with an Nord kit and a rectifier...boy did that engine go and hauled a ton. We ran it on the Houston S Gaugers layout in my hobby shop/ S manufacturing/ S scale layout home in Houston. It looked really great pulling a bunch of heavyweight varnish, blowing smoke and chugging along...could enve slip wheels on start up if you wanted to...sound andlooked great. I have an original 50's Nord catalog, however it's already packed up for my anticipated move and relocation to an S layout space with home attatched. Peter Loeb, one of the forgotten original co-creators of the Houston S Gaugers....now in Oregon. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49876	From: The LANIERs	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: An eBay rant.....

As one who both bought and sold on Ebay, I can tell you that this worked both ways. Retaliatory feedback was supposed to be a no no, but it happened all of the time to both buyers and sellers. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An eBay rant..... Stumpy, The change in the feedback was a good one. You can still leave bad feedback for a seller it's the buyer you can't leave bad feedback for. rightly so, if the buyer pays for an item what can the buyer do to the seller? Too many sellers were holding the buyers feedback HOSTAGE until the seller got good feedback. If you left bad feedback for a seller you got the same in return. Mike In a message dated 8/26/2008 12:27:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spyderweb@... writes: Stumpy Stone writes: > I'm not a great fan of the coming "ebay/PayPal > monopoly" however, if it protects the buyer, that's fine with me. > Lord knows, we need it! As I understand it, the "new rules" would allow both PayPal OR regular credit/debit cards. For me, PayPal is the wiser choice -- someone with my name, address and credit card number could do a lot of damage, but they couldn't break into a PayPal account without knowing my password (and I don't keep any funds there anyway). In any event, I'm not going to send cash (duh!), I'm not going to make a trip to the bank to get a cashier's check or M.O., and there's no way to prove that you sent a check if the seller claims he never got it.. > ...how about the people who start the selling > price at a phenominally high price, all out of > reason for the market. It happens, of course, but it's hardly a problem -- just don't bid :-) > EBay's feedback system is biased to all good > comments. You have problems if you want to > leave even slightly negative feedback. It's like "the Gestopo knows > Hitler is bad, but you > can't say that." Which, I suspect, is one reason why sellers will no longer allowed be to post negative feedback. Supposedly, buyers were reluctant to give negative feedback for fear of getting a negative feedback in retaliation. > Possibly as I get older, I'm less tolerant of morons and crooks. As am I. But shifting to a system where sellers post their wares to email groups like this one -- usually with no photo and at a "take it or leave it" price -- is unlikely to solve that problem. JR Hill Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49877	From: Trains	Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sound for DC Steamers??

Well Al, you could tripple head va short freight or ? Peter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49878	From: raleigh	Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Nord Mikado

and he notes - You may have Nord confused with Nixon Models. Nord (aka Stinson) only made the two locomotives (a 2-8-0 and 2-8-2) and exited the business in the 50s. SuperScale had a couple of diesel switchers, one soft metal cast Alco and an EMD 600 (or 1000) HP brass model and of course there was Miller's Alco S2. Dayton had their behemoth cast bronze F units and (among their trolley kits) offered a Whitcomb switcher and - lest we forget, there was Enhorning's 'hump back' F9 units. There was no USRA 4-6-2 kit available in the 50s and wouldn't be until the one offered by Claud Wade's S Scale Loco and Supply in the 60s. The only other steam available in the 40s was a Midgage (Willis Stewart) PRR K5 kit using AF and scale parts and two kits (an 0-6-0 and 4-6-0) offered by S-Pikes Equipment Co - both of these were former Cleveland Models kits. I'm not sure when Bert Carpenter started Rex Models. I believe it was in the mid fifties with the Dockside 0-4-0 and later the Suburban 2-4-4. The line continued after Bert's death under Howard Phillips and John Sudimak. BTW, Howard and Charlie Beedle made an attempt to revive Nord back in the 60s but nothing ever came of it. I know they had some epoxy castings made and wonder what became of them... In the late 40s and through the 50s Ben Nixon (Nimco) parleyed drivers and scale wheels made by Culp Brothers into several conversion kits for AF engines. This may be what you used to convert the AF Hudson. Ben was the 'Heimburger' of the 50s (y' might say) buying up defunct lines and parts and producing some of his own. His catalog was the 'bible' of the scale in that era. LeRoy Vavrineck continued the line for a while after Ben's death and what was left went to Al Hall in St Albans, Vt. when he quit. Raleigh in chilly Maine At 09:56 PM 8/26/2008, Trains wrote: >To: >Bob McCarthy >THE SUPPLY CAR, LLC and everyone else interested in "Nord" > >Nord was one of the premieir S scale manufactures in 40's, 50's and >early 60's The made a variety of kits for S steam loco's, and I >believe also had some deisel switcher kits. Most notably I remember >a 2-8-0, USRA style 4-6-2 Pacific and 2-8-2 Mikado. They also put >out several kits for refitting AF engines to run on scale drivers >and wheels...they were great and even made an AF engine look better >with see through spoked drivers of various diameters. I had a >hudsonn that I converted with an Nord kit and a rectifier...boy did >that engine go and hauled a ton. We ran it on the Houston S Gaugers >layout in my hobby shop/ S manufacturing/ S scale layout home in >Houston. It looked really great pulling a bunch of heavyweight >varnish, blowing smoke and chugging along...could enve slip wheels >on start up if you wanted to...sound andlooked great. > >I have an original 50's Nord catalog, however it's already packed up >for my anticipated move and relocation to an S layout space with >home attatched. > >Peter Loeb, one of the forgotten original co-creators of the Houston >S Gaugers....now in Oregon. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49879	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: 7 Layout Videos, Lowell Convention

: SUBJECT: There are now 7 layout videos available for viewing. (from 2008 Nat'l Ass'n S Gaugers convention in Lowell, Mass) * In addition to the first 3 videos showing hotel layouts, there are now videos #4 through #10, showing glimpses of 10 of the 14 HOME layouts that were on tour at the 2008 NASG Lowell Convention. * Although the convention officially ended on Aug 10, mentally "I still have been at the convention, and am just now returning", as I have been spending almost all my working hours since Aug 10, trying to get these videos assembled as best I can. ====================================================== ====== 1. PLAYING THE VIDEOS: URL: http://Vimeo.com/nasg * The URL given above, shows all 10 videos on the same web page (Vimeo refers to it as a "Channel"). * Note the Videos 8, 9, & 10 are from the same layout, Layout "DH". * Video 8 shows overall views. Video 9 shows some "closer-up views". * Video 10 discusses the track plan. MORE in Para 4 below. * Note the Video 9 is MISLABELED, and I can't fix it right now -- see NEXT PARA 2 BELOW for details. * Vimeo puts the most-recently uploaded videos at the top of the page. * Thus the last video to be uploaded (#10) appears at the top of the page, and the 1st video to be uploaded (#1) appears at the bottom of the page. CHANNEL PAGE VS INDIVIDUAL VIDEO PAGE: ====== * You can play a video from either on the "Channel" page at Vimeo.com/ nasg, or you can open that video on its own page. * Note if you click on the title of any particular video when you're on the Channel page, that video will open in its own web page by itself. * If you're on an individual video page, you can get back to the Channel page by doing the following: **Scroll down and look on the right for heading "Channels". ** Under the "Channels" heading, look for a link that says "National Association of S Gaugers". **There's also an album link for "National Association of S Gaugers", but note the video window appears SMALLER in the albums. * ====================================================== ====== 2. VIMEO TECHNICAL PROBLEMS: Vimeo is apparently experiencing some techical problems. The title for Video 9 is ok on it's individual page, but it's wrong on the Channel page. The video at the very top is the real Video #10, which discusses the track plan for Layout "DH". The one below it is actually Video #9, which shows the "closer up" views. There is also a Video #9 that says "Upload Failed"; ignore that one. ====================================================== ====== 3. ALTERNATE URL -- PLAYING FROM RAILVIDEOS.ORG: Alternate URL: http://RailVideos.org The "forwarding domain name" RailVideos.org takes you to the "videos" page on Track2.com . * If you then scroll down about 8 inches on the web page to the boldfaced title "Aug 2008 Convention in Lowell MA (on Vimeo.com)", you will see a list of links to the INDIVIDUAL videos. * There is also a link to Glenn Ritter's photo page for the convention. ====================================================== ====== 4. ABOUT VIDEOS #8, #9 & #10 COVERING LAYOUT "DH" * Note the last 3 videos, #8 #9, and #10 are of the same layout, layout "DH", the New Haven layout. * This wonderful layout will be soon TORN DOWN, as the owner is selling the house to downsize to a smaller house. The purpose of Video #9, the 2nd video from the same layout, is to show some "closer- up" views. * The 3rd Video 10 discusses the track plan. In this video, we videoed the New Haven passenger train as it completely traversed the layout. Moving at a scale speed of I guesstimate of about 40 mph, it takes about 7-1/2 minutes before it starts running on the same track again; 3 end-to-end laps around the length of the layout. * Of course, you may not want to watch that much footage of the same layout, but it's there if you find it to be of interest. I certainly did. ====================================================== ====== 5. FUTURE: ONE MORE VIDEO YET TO BE UPLOADED: I have 1 more videos yet to upload. Vimeo allows us to upload a maximum of 500 Mbytes per week, which is about 3 or 4 videos. Consequently I have to wait until next week, when Vimeo resets my upload "counter", before I can upload the last videos. Video #11, the one yet to be uploaded, will show some views from Stan and Debbie Ames outdoor LARGESCALE layout. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49880	From: raleigh	Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Nord Mikado

and he recalls - Yes I believe you're right. The late Jim Bassett had one and said it was a piece of junk. I didn't recall who made it. Raleigh At 10:14 AM 8/27/2008, Bob Werre wrote: >Raleigh, >Nord (revisited) did make an exopy type 4-6-0 engine, that I think, was >advertised in the S Gaugian for a short while. There is one here in >Houston still in kit form. It seems to me that the Loco Workshop later >picked up the project, made some mods to it... and that where my memory >ends. I can verify that it isn't much of a kit. > >Bob Werre >BobWphoto.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49881	From: uvl97222	Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: The new Big boy train we were all talking about for 2008....

Well the hobby shop call me today, and gave me a new message that my order is back on with lionel. I would ask all of you this " Do you think that some one at Lionel is reading the posts in here? " If so we should talk more about what we would like to see made, and what we see that is less then what we would want to see on are layouts. Clayton S.D. Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49882	From: G C	Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big boy train we were all talking about for 2008....

Speaking of contacting Train manufacturers, Would someone besides myself please give Atlas the hint that their new O27 Atlantic is very very close to S. All they had to do is put two rail S gauge under it. It will make a great looking PRR E6. I'm slowly with the help of a few folks on this list gathering my courage as I'm bashing one using a Flyer Atlantic chassis. Even the drivers that came with it are only a scale inch off the 80-inch prototype mark.   P.S. I doubt they read this list. Too bad! - There are some great folks here.   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49883	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big boy train we were all talking about for 2008....

Hi Gene, Do you have a contact or address at Atlas that we can contact? Pictures of my two custom PRR E-6's are at: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/6aa3?c (in about the middle) One made from a modified plastic Atlantic and the other from a cut down K-5 boiler. Just to add to your ideas... Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Speaking of contacting Train manufacturers, Would someone besides myself please give Atlas the hint that their new O27 Atlantic is very very close to S. All they had to do is put two rail S gauge under it. It will make a great looking PRR E6. I'm slowly with the help of a few folks on this list gathering my courage as I'm bashing one using a Flyer Atlantic chassis. Even the drivers that came with it are only a scale inch off the 80-inch prototype mark. >   > P.S. I doubt they read this list. Too bad! - There are some great folks here. >   > Gene Cimino > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49884	From: John	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big boy train we were all talking about for 2008....

I had contacted Atlas about a month ago regarding creating S gauge stock and all I got back was "We'll check into it" John --- ecphora123@... wrote: From: G C <ecphora123@...> Speaking of contacting Train manufacturers, Would someone besides myself please give Atlas the hint that their new O27 Atlantic is very very close to S. All they had to do is put two rail S gauge under it. It will make a great looking PRR E6. I'm slowly with the help of a few folks on this list gathering my courage as I'm bashing one using a Flyer Atlantic chassis. Even the drivers that came with it are only a scale inch off the 80-inch prototype mark.   P.S. I doubt they read this list. Too bad! - There are some great folks here.   Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49885	From: G C	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: The new Big boy train we were all talking about for 2008....

Thanks Al and John, No unfortunately I don't have a good point of contact for Atlas. When I purchased the engine, they had a mail in card in the box asking you to let them know what your product interest in Atlas was. I attached a longer note describing my positive feelings regarding the Atlantic, but letting them know how I felt about their 'missed opportunity'. I will find an address and post it later today. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49886	From: Trains	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Nord Mikado

Hi, all more NORD stuff...I took some digital picts of one of the Nord frames and runing gear for the 2-8-0/2 that I will be using to create a 2-8-4 type engine using an AF boiler, and some kit-bashed/hand hammered stuff. If you want to see, I will be glad to forward these to whom ever is interested. Also to All...want to get my own web sight up and running to show and tell and exchange info....and to buy/sell my items instead of listing them on ebay...whom I will no longer support after end of September. ANY IDEAS/HELP SUGGESTIONS/HOW TO will be appreciated. Contact me dirrectly if you like, or thru group. I even thought the local/nationwide magazine "Model RR news" out of Merlin Oregon (right next to Grants Pass) might be interested in taking up the RR only e-commerce, as they already are on-line and have classifieds in their mag. ....your thoughts? Also...looking for some 79-80 +/- spoked drivers scale or highrail OK....anyone got some? Contact me either thru group or at rr4u@... as appropriate. S Gaugingly, Peter loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49887	From: G C	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Atlas Contact Information

Here is what I have for Atlas: Atlas O, LLC 378 Florence Avenue Hillside, NJ 07205 Call: 908-687-9590 Fax: 908-687-6282 www.atlas0.com Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49888	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas

----- Original Message ----- From: G C . . . . . . . .I don't have a good point of contact for Atlas. . . . . . they had a mail in card in the box asking you to let them know what your product interest in Atlas was. I attached a longer note . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > The Atlas website has a forum at http://forum.atlasrr.com/ I don't have a password, so I can't tell you what kind of discussions they have, but you might look into it. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49889	From: G C	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Atlas

Thanks Tom, I'le have a look see over there. Gene ----- Original Message ---- From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:58:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Atlas ----- Original Message ----- From: G C . . . . . . . .I don't have a good point of contact for Atlas. . . . . . they had a mail in card in the box asking you to let them know what your product interest in Atlas was. I attached a longer note . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > The Atlas website has a forum at http://forum. atlasrr.com/ I don't have a password, so I can't tell you what kind of discussions they have, but you might look into it. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49890	From: Robert Boring	Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Fw: [4L] News: Oso has acquired NorthWest Short Line

Just got this from the 4L group. Thought I would pass it along. Bob Boring ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rygmyr" <davidry@...> To: <4L@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: [4L] News: Oso has acquired NorthWest Short Line > Some of you have been wondering about the fate of NWSL, with founder Raoul > Martin looking to retire. I'm pleased to announce that Oso has acquired > NWSL > in its entirety, and we've already moved part of the business from > Seattle, > WA to Hamilton, MT, with the rest to follow within a couple of weeks. As > you > may know, NWSL product availability has been waning over the last few > years, > the result of attrition and of Raoul's retirement plans. We plan to > reverse > that (after the dust settles, give us a while...) and do our best to get > the > entire line back in production and available again. > > To help with news and announcements, we finally got around to getting a > real > mailing list package and we've added it to our websites. If you're > interested, please go to www.osorail.com or www.nwsl.com (both feed the > same > list) and sign up. If you signed up on our old list, it wouldn't hurt to > sign up again since the import process wasn't exactly smooth. > > Many of you have also been asking about the Shay book, which remains a > priority for us but remains a big, slow behemoth. Also, because Shay > enthusiasts tend to be fairly intense, we're doing all we can to be as > accurate as possible when we go to press to avoid a legion of pitchforks > and > torches. That said, we're trying to wrap that portion up fairly soon, > which > will give us some tangible pieces to work with. Please stay tuned, and > note > that we'll be using the new mailing list thing to make announcements. > > Thanks! > > Dave Rygmyr > NorthWest Short Line (www.nwsl.com) > Oso Publishing & Evergreen Hill Designs (www.osorail.com) > > > ------------------------------------ > > The Loyal Legion of Logged-on Loggers; dedicated to logging modeling and > history. > > To Unsubscribe: 4L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49891	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Sound Controllers for AM Steamer

I just purchased an American Models PRR K-4 Steam Locomotive off ebay (haven't received it yet). It is the AC with sound version. When I ask AM, I am told to activate the sound, I need one of their $90 transformers with sound controller. The last thing I need is yet another transformer, so I would like another device to activate the sound. Will the Lionel push buttons work with it? (AM said "maybe".) What about the Dallee 755 unit? Any other non-DCC solution I can consider? Thanks, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49892	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Sound Controllers for AM Steamer

Dear Al, The Dallee LocoMatic 10 button controller will not operate the horn, whistle or bell of AM or AF engines. It only adds a signal to the track that only the LocoMatic sound board can understand. For the AM and non-TMCC AF bell, horn and whistle, you need buttons that add a DC signal on top of the AC used to power the train. This is why when these engines are used on DC, you either hear the horn, bell or whistle operating all the time. If you change polatiry of the DC, the other sound function will operate. The Lionel push buttons should work, or at least did on past models of the AM engines. Don On Aug 29, 2008, at 12:28 AM, Al Baker wrote: > I just purchased an American Models PRR K-4 Steam Locomotive off ebay > (haven't received it yet). It is the AC with sound version. When I > ask AM, I am told to activate the sound, I need one of their $90 > transformers with sound controller. The last thing I need is yet > another transformer, so I would like another device to activate the > sound. Will the Lionel push buttons work with it? (AM said "maybe".) > What about the Dallee 755 unit? Any other non-DCC solution I can > consider? > Thanks, > Al > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49893	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Fw: [4L] News: Oso has acquired NorthWest Short Line

The Lionel Railsounds buttons work fine on AC. Hook them up color to color (red to red or black to black and connect them between either transformer post and the track. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49894	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Sound Controllers for AM Steamer

The Lionel Railsounds buttons work fine on AC. Hook them up color to color (red to red or black to black and connect them between either transformer post and the track. Alternatively you can make your own controller easily with a Radio SShack project box and diodes. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49895	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Using Lionel Bell/Horn activations buttons.

Here is a link showing the button wring using AF transformers. http://www.tuveson.com/SoundButtonHookup/SoundButtons.htm Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49896	From: Rhett George	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Loco control

- GreetingS - Way back yonder in time (just after the pet dinosaur died and we got the first dog), I was beset by a whistle-equipped tender and no working button on the transformer. Happily for this then-youngster, used no. 6 dry cells were occasionally available. I contrived a single-pole double-throw push button to operate transformer only or put the dry cell in series with the transformer. That added enough DC voltage to the AC waveform to close the relay in the tender and get a fine whistle note. The relay is wound with a coil of fine wire on the pole piece. Separating the coil from the armature (movable part) is one or two thick copper washers pressed on the pole. This washer stack is a short circuit to alternating current magnetic flux lines trying to get thru to the end of the pole and attract the armature. No way, Jose'. The alternating current only produces a bit of heat in the many turns of the coil. The direct current persists in one direction, takes advantage of some small but real resistance in the washers, builds up a field sufficient to attract the armature and blow the whistle. Since the total current flows thru the dry cell during whistling, it should have some substance and not explode on the first (or second) try. Therefore, anyone trying this should use maybe two D cells in parallel if a no.6 cannot be found. Alternatively, a disassembled lantern battery yields four F cells, one of which might be adequate. Safety dictates that the cell or cells be covered with a weighted cardboard box. Of course, the dry cell should be good, not dead. A crossover, change tracks. A command issued by my clumsy fingers to the TMCC controller turned off the headlight and the classification lights on mikado no. 4501. Some poking at me and at the controller by good-natured friends managed to turn the headlight on again. I am open to more poking if one of you gentle, mental giants will tell me how to turn the classifi- cation lights on. Please, please. CheerS, Rhett (ampless at the light)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49897	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Sound Controllers for AM Steamer

----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker . . . . . . . I would like another device to activate the sound. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > I was in that predicament at one time and somebody, sorry I don't remember who, sent me a diagram for making a two-button controller, just like the one AM used to sell without you having to buy another whole transformer. In fact there are two diagrams; one reduces votlage when the sound is activated; the more complicated one does not. You could just bread-board one, or put it in a nice box. I have uploaded the file to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Sound%20for%20AC%20trains/ Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49898	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Question ?? 24529 Flood light car

Just purchased a 24529 flood light car with a green diesel motor and generator. It is the first time that I noticed a small round lifting ring on the top of the generator. Question : Is this lifting ring on all of the plastic generators sets ???? All of my flood light cars purchased new, have die cast generator sets with no lifting ring. Pictures in greenberg's guide and Gilbert catalogers do not show a lifting ring. Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Find a buyer for your car the fast and easy way! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3neAPyREWXxVC6Gt7ycRBbuSGrEFQfaIn9lQidau3YnFib0H/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49899	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Sound Controllers for AM Steamer

Hi Al, I had the same question back in February 2007. The group had several ideas and, if I remember correctly, several ways to build a controller using Radio Shack parts. A group member had an AM sound controller he didn't need any longer so I bought it. I never got around to trying any of the suggestions but they all looked pretty easy to set up. Search the message archive - my first post concerning this topic was number 43533 on February 21, 2007. BTW - the sounds are pretty good in my opinion! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > I just purchased an American Models PRR K-4 Steam Locomotive off ebay > (haven't received it yet). It is the AC with sound version. When I > ask AM, I am told to activate the sound, I need one of their $90 > transformers with sound controller. The last thing I need is yet > another transformer, so I would like another device to activate the > sound. Will the Lionel push buttons work with it? (AM said "maybe".) > What about the Dallee 755 unit? Any other non-DCC solution I can > consider? > Thanks, > Al >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49900	From: G C	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Question ?? 24529 Flood light car

Speaking of flood light cars, does anyone know of prototype photos for these. I looked on the web a while ago, but came up short.   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49901	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: 806 caboose variation

Does anyone have any information on cabeese with GRAY lettering? I came across an 806 that definitely has gray lettering instead of white. - Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49902	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: 806 caboose variation

Some colors have been known to have been chemically modified to alter the colors... Lettering and cars... At York I once had a chance to buy, from the Carnes? stuff, about 6 different C& O gondolas... with Yellow, White, Orange, Blue, etc lettering.... supposed to be Factory Samples.... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...>: -------------- Does anyone have any information on cabeese with GRAY lettering? I came across an 806 that definitely has gray lettering instead of white. - Bruce Willis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49903	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Scoreboard, Roadway update.

Press on letters and numbers for the S Helper Field Scoreboard came yesterday. However, they are too big at 1/2", so I ordered some 1/4" . A 4 dollar item and a 10 dollar shipping fee. LOL I have made a intersection, a three way T intersection just fine with the black only roadway. However, the black roadway is not as wide as the striped roadway that has striping on the edge. So, I had to cut a thin piece to make it match up. that was fine. Hugo and Che are also in charge of the Architectural design team and they will be dealt with accordingly with the wrong letters ordered. I hear the punishment is unlimited trips to the Frosty bar for a hour, which had to be moved due to curving of the roadway. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49904	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Sound Controllers for AM Steamer

Thanks to all of those that responded. I am now much smarter about these devices. I have the lionel ones - but they do not work well with my Lionel Mikado, so I am not sure how well they will work with the AM. But I am also considering to make one per info provided by a couple of you, or buy an AM one which was offered. Anyhow, Thanks so much. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > I just purchased an American Models PRR K-4 Steam Locomotive off ebay > (haven't received it yet). It is the AC with sound version. When I > ask AM, I am told to activate the sound, I need one of their $90 > transformers with sound controller. The last thing I need is yet > another transformer, so I would like another device to activate the > sound. Will the Lionel push buttons work with it? (AM said "maybe".) > What about the Dallee 755 unit? Any other non-DCC solution I can > consider? > Thanks, > Al >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49905	From: John	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Scoreboard, Roadway update.

Hey Mike You should have checked at your local office supply store or craft store for the press on letters that is where I got mine. No $10 shipping fee 8^)) John > Press on letters and numbers for the S Helper Field Scoreboard came > yesterday. > > However, they are too big at 1/2", so I ordered some 1/4" . A 4 dollar > item and a 10 dollar shipping fee. LOL >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49906	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Scoreboard, Roadway update.

John, I did. They have every size and color you could want but no 1/4" White. Oh well, just another few bucks for the layout. This reminds me of my days or years, 27 to be exact of having tropical fish tanks. ten bucks is nothing in comparison to all the things I had to replace in making the layout due to trail and error. LOL Thanks for the suggestion John, as you did not know I went to the Office Depots and Staples here. Office Depot had that size only on the website. And yes, to order it at the store, they still had a shipping charge. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scoreboard, Roadway update. Hey Mike You should have checked at your local office supply store or craft store for the press on letters that is where I got mine. No $10 shipping fee 8^)) John > Press on letters and numbers for the S Helper Field Scoreboard came > yesterday. > > However, they are too big at 1/2", so I ordered some 1/4" . A 4 dollar > item and a 10 dollar shipping fee. LOL > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49907	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: 806 caboose variation, Digest Number 4171

Bruce, There are legitimate samples of the 800 series cars do have light gray lettering rather than white. For example, the ATSF 803 has a variation done this way, as well. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 8/30/2008 7:15:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Does anyone have any information on cabeese with GRAY lettering? I came across an 806 that definitely has gray lettering instead of white. - Bruce Willis **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49908	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: 806 caboose variation

I have an 806 with silver/grey numbers and lettering-"Reading". It's got the plastic "scale" chassis, and, surprisingly, no noticable warpage, although the hole for the lamp socke is warped just enough to have not allowed me to make it an illuminated caboose. - J Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49909	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Robert Graves

Bob, Could you send me a email please. I tried your address on your site and it is not working. I want to know if you still have that 25 w AF transformer. Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49910	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Need 644 boom

Anyone know where I can get a replacement boom for a 644? The following sources don't have it: Port Lines RFG Leventon Hobby Surplus Thanks, Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49911	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Need 644 boom

Try Hobby Surplus. Do you have the Part#? Mike In a message dated 8/30/2008 1:34:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, willisbd@... writes: Anyone know where I can get a replacement boom for a 644? The following sources don't have it: Port Lines RFG Leventon Hobby Surplus Thanks, Bruce Willis **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49912	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Need 644 boom

Here are the Hobby Surplus #'s for a gray plastic boom w/printing PA11306P $6.00 The unprinted gray boom is # PA11306 is $3.00 ..... Mike In a message dated 8/30/2008 1:34:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, willisbd@... writes: Anyone know where I can get a replacement boom for a 644? The following sources don't have it: Port Lines RFG Leventon Hobby Surplus Thanks, Bruce Willis **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49913	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: CRANE PARTS 644

_Triple S Supplies - Parts Search_ (http://www.ssstrains.com/part_test_paging.asp?PartNumber=ALL&page=50) Try SSS parts Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49914	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/31/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 31, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 1 minute. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49915	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Need 644 Crane Boom - update

Hobby Surplus and SSS have the gray boom, but these would be the later design with the vertical stand-off at the base for the support wires. The 644 needs the earlier black boom without the stand-off because it had the elaborate rigging instead of the simple wire supports. Both booms have the same part number - PA11306. If I have to, I'll get the gray boom and trim out the stand-off. I'll also need a replacement pin for the rigging pulley assembly - I don't see how I can salvage that when I swap booms. I have no idea what the part number is for the pin. - Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49916	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Cord replacement on 8B transformer

Hello all, Has anyone ever replaced cord on an 8B? I was curious as to how to get to the inside where cord is soldered. Barry Jamison

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49917	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re Building Web Pages

On Aug 28, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Trains wrote: <SNIP> >>...want to get my own web sight up and running >> to show and tell and exchange info....and to buy/sell my items instead of >>listing them on ebay...whom I will no longer support after end of September. >>ANY IDEAS/HELP SUGGESTIONS/HOW TO will be appreciated. <SNIP> A "system" that I have used to get some local groups on the web, which involves using blogs, is actually very SIMPLE. 1===THE BASIC STEPS * Set up a web page on blogspot.com (free, easy to update, reasonably "neat" when configured properly). * Optional: Set up a forwarding domain name, something like "AmericanFlyer17701.com" to take people there -- about $6 to $9 per year. 2===ADVANTAGES: * Inexpensive, EASY to update. It's almost like sending an email, except when you're done editing, you click a "publish" button instead of a "send" button. * Multiple people can be given access privileges to update it. Either limited "author" privileges, or full "admin" privileges. * Photos - When you upload large photos, they are automatically condensed to fit the width of the page when you upload them. But if the user clicks on them, they will open the original full size. EXAMPLE 1: http://CatawissaTrackCleaners.com -- go to Page 3 'O Gauge', and click on one of the photos, and it should open larger. Note this example has a black background, which I like if the site is predominately photos. EXAMPLE 2: Track2 RailNet shows page, at http://railnet.blogspot.com . This has a lighter background, since it is mostly text. 3===DISADVANTAGES: * Not as fancy as some of the more expensive web pages. * The layout is restricted to a simpler format. * If you're doing a really large site, a blog can get cumbersome. If you're uploading a few photos at a time and some text, they work fine. If you're upload 100 photos at a time, the blog can be a little cumbersome. 4===FOR MORE INFO: I put some information about using blogs at http://NineDollarWebPage.com . Note there are links on the top of that page, to several YouTube videos I made, trying to explain this concept. Also Page 2 shows about 13 examples of web pages using blogs. 5===OTHER WAYS: You can also get free web pages from ISPs such as Verizon and Comcast. As far as I know, these work ok. But the reason I don't like them, is that you're essentially"marrying" your ISP. If you switch ISPs, then your web page "evaporates". Some of the domain name registrars like 1and1.com include a small web page with a domain name package, which costs only about $7 per year. Also some of the credit card processing accounts for businesses, will include a web page. Also you can use Google's free "Pages", which work similar to their blogs. I tried their "Pages", but the photo uploading did not work right for Macintosh at the time, so I do not use it. In most of the above mentioned examples and also the blogs, your "editing interface" is similar to composing an email. That is, you have the familiar buttons for boldface, italics, adding color to text; plus some additional buttons for adding links, and adding new pages; that you don't see in your email program. ~~~~~~~~ Your NEXT STEP up from the above-mentioned free systems, is to PAY for a web authoring program -- such as iWeb for the Macintosh, or Front Page Express for Windows; or more expensive ones like DreamWeaver or GoLive, etc. There's a free program for the Mac called SeaMonkey (seamonkey- project.org) which is part of the Mozilla/FireFox group, that I have been dabbling with, but so far I don't think it works very well. 6===COMMENTS BY OTHERS ?? There should be people out there, who know lots more about this subject than I do, but the above is my 2 cents worth. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49918	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Check out Classic Trains

_Classic Trains_ (http://classictrains.com/) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49919	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: FOR SALE

hi, following gondolas are for sale at $10 each, i may have more. CONTACT me off list lglumac@... C2009, BUFFALLO HUNT, 24125 ,HAVE 2. 24110 HAVE 3 920 24103 24124 911 916 PAIM CHIPPED 24106 476 HAVE 4 PRE-WAR 3/16 -------------- Original message -------------- From: lglumac@... hi, i have the following for sale, contact me off list at lglumac@... #30 pass car $25 #944 crane (4) $35 each 650 pass cars red or green LC $25 each #718 nice mail car with button pick up and one mail bag $75 LC #7210 light cars 2 $30 each #636 $25 #24561 crane $35 #948 $25 #30 caboose 5 at $20 each [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49920	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: How is this for UP railroad memorabilia?

Whoa... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300239640048 This herald-shaped cast iron number board came from the pilot of Union Pacific "Big Boy" engine number 4011 Sold for $18766.66!!! ... Thanks to Rick with Oscaletrains!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49921	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: NETCA cars

I'd like to purchase the early (2000-2006) NETCA commemerative cars if anyone has some they would like to sell. Please contact me off list at amerflyerwanted@... or (203)874-0585. Thanks, Pete [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49922	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant SHS commercialism

On Friday the shipment of reefers (that we were supposed to receive in June) finally arrived. On Tuesday, SHS will be shipping out the Land o' Lakes reefer (sold out, but we have a waiting list, maybe for the next run), Fehr Beer and GB&W Sampson Canning Co. Also the balance of the Moxie NASG 2008 Convention cars and 2008 Badgeland S Fest Weber beer car have been received. Other items include our trucks (00001, 00002, 00003, 00004, 00045, 00046, 00047, 00048, 01208 code 110 Andrews tender trucks and the 01209 AF comp. Andrews tender trucks. as well as the 00295 AF Switcher couplers and 00289 diesel engineer and fireman figures. All of these item can be ordered online. Best regards, Don PS Next shipment leaving this week will be the two bay open top hoppers including the Waddell cars (which again are sold out and a waiting list for the next run has been started), the C&I bi-centennial car, BC&G, PRR "Coal Goes to War" Unlettered black & bc. red and C&O #5 & #6.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49923	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: October RMC

>In the latest RMC, Keith Wills has a nice article about the earliest days of >"S" and Cleveland Model and Suppy. The article is on page 110 and titled >"Balsa Wood Trains". Two full pages about "S" and Ed Packard contribution. A >must read for all serious S gauges. >Best, >Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49924	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/31/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 49925	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question ?? 24529 Flood light car

Are you sure it's a 24529 and not a 946?  I thought all the 24529s had yellow generators.  Are the wires plastic coated or cloth?  That's supposed to be the way to tell the difference.   I can't tell you about the lifting ring.  If you can email me a photo, I'll put it in TheGilgertGallery.org and maybe someone can tell us about it.   Bob --- On Fri, 8/29/08, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Question ?? 24529 Flood light car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 6:44 AM Just purchased a 24529 flood light car with a green diesel motor and generator. It is the first time that I noticed a small round lifting ring on the top of the generator. Question : Is this lifting ring on all of the plastic generators sets ???? All of my flood light cars purchased new, have die cast generator sets with no lifting ring. Pictures in greenberg's guide and Gilbert catalogers do not show a lifting ring. Jerry 77-11644 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Find a buyer for your car the fast and easy way! Click now! http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ fc/Ioyw6i3neAPyR EWXxVC6Gt7ycRBbu SGrEFQfaIn9lQida u3YnFib0H/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49926	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages

I have used geocities.com (now part of Yahoo) for all my websites. I didn't have to buy and learn web authoring software: geocities has its own easy-to-use drag and drop interface.  You can do some pretty nice stuff without getting into any of the more advanced features they offer. KISS.   Bob --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings <shoot-all-spammers4@...> wrote: From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings <shoot-all-spammers4@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re Building Web Pages To: "S-Trains Discussion List List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Cen Pa Mac Users Discussion- Listserver" <cpamu@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings" <shoot-all-spammers4@...> Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:13 AM On Aug 28, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Trains wrote: <SNIP> >>...want to get my own web sight up and running >> to show and tell and exchange info....and to buy/sell my items instead of >>listing them on ebay...whom I will no longer support after end of September. >>ANY IDEAS/HELP SUGGESTIONS/ HOW TO will be appreciated. <SNIP> A "system" that I have used to get some local groups on the web, which involves using blogs, is actually very SIMPLE. 1===THE BASIC STEPS * Set up a web page on blogspot.com (free, easy to update, reasonably "neat" when configured properly). * Optional: Set up a forwarding domain name, something like "AmericanFlyer17701 .com" to take people there -- about $6 to $9 per year. 2===ADVANTAGES: * Inexpensive, EASY to update. It's almost like sending an email, except when you're done editing, you click a "publish" button instead of a "send" button. * Multiple people can be given access privileges to update it. Either limited "author" privileges, or full "admin" privileges. * Photos - When you upload large photos, they are automatically condensed to fit the width of the page when you upload them. But if the user clicks on them, they will open the original full size. EXAMPLE 1: http://CatawissaTra ckCleaners. com -- go to Page 3 'O Gauge', and click on one of the photos, and it should open larger. Note this example has a black background, which I like if the site is predominately photos. EXAMPLE 2: Track2 RailNet shows page, at http://railnet. blogspot. com . This has a lighter background, since it is mostly text. 3===DISADVANTAGES: * Not as fancy as some of the more expensive web pages. * The layout is restricted to a simpler format. * If you're doing a really large site, a blog can get cumbersome. If you're uploading a few photos at a time and some text, they work fine. If you're upload 100 photos at a time, the blog can be a little cumbersome. 4===FOR MORE INFO: I put some information about using blogs at http://NineDollarWe bPage.com . Note there are links on the top of that page, to several YouTube videos I made, trying to explain this concept. Also Page 2 shows about 13 examples of web pages using blogs. 5===OTHER WAYS: You can also get free web pages from ISPs such as Verizon and Comcast. As far as I know, these work ok. But the reason I don't like them, is that you're essentially" marrying" your ISP. If you switch ISPs, then your web page "evaporates" . Some of the domain name registrars like 1and1.com include a small web page with a domain name package, which costs only about $7 per year. Also some of the credit card processing accounts for businesses, will include a web page. Also you can use Google's free "Pages", which work similar to their blogs. I tried their "Pages", but the photo uploading did not work right for Macintosh at the time, so I do not use it. In most of the above mentioned examples and also the blogs, your "editing interface" is similar to composing an email. That is, you have the familiar buttons for boldface, italics, adding color to text; plus some additional buttons for adding links, and adding new pages; that you don't see in your email program. ~~~~~~~~ Your NEXT STEP up from the above-mentioned free systems, is to PAY for a web authoring program -- such as iWeb for the Macintosh, or Front Page Express for Windows; or more expensive ones like DreamWeaver or GoLive, etc. There's a free program for the Mac called SeaMonkey (seamonkey- project.org) which is part of the Mozilla/FireFox group, that I have been dabbling with, but so far I don't think it works very well. 6===COMMENTS BY OTHERS ?? There should be people out there, who know lots more about this subject than I do, but the above is my 2 cents worth. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2. com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - --- : ==========end of email ======== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49927	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Correction to new S web site

CORRECTION! OOOOPS' TRY THIS PLEASE: http://www.trains-4-u.blogspot.com Look me up and comments are NOT THIS: welcome...http://trains-4-u.blogspot.com Formerly on ebay as drktrains, and still at rr4u@... (personal contact) Thanks Jim....Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49928	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S scale couplers

Hi Rhett, well I will have to jump in here, the "Coupler" question is always a source for many views...The Sargent coupler seems to be favored by the "really really scale people for apearance and scale fidelity? I don't know personally as I have never seen them in person or used them. The oldest and (possibly) most reliable are the Kadee #5s with the trip pin lengthened as used to be available in S. The #5 offers "delayed" uncoupling, some of the other magnetic couplers do not. The #5's also bennefit from having lots of flexibility in terms of mounting method/position/shims etc. They are about 10-15% undersize for true 1:64 proportions. I worked for Kadee for three years and know their stuff, and tried to get them interested in a true S sized coupler with a scale draft gear box....had the same fight with them over their then 'New" HO box car that I helped bring into production.That one, they also resisted until it became obvious that their #1 product (couplers) was the only item on the car that was not to scale. I was the one who introduced Dale Edwards (Kadee owner) to the inserted wisker springs idea for centering....was very difficult to develope a way of actually making them. It might be worth our collective efforts to request a SCALE S coupler instead of oversized On3 adaptation, or undersized HO. The whole gang over there at Kadee has been overhauled and new management has been much more open to REAL ideas, yes numbers count...yet they created a O Lionel atlantic pilot coupler conversion kit....how many of those could possibly be ever used??? ...sure would be a whole lot more S standard gauge couplers needed..one for each end of many, many thousands of cars, not to mention locomotives etc. And then ther is McHennry coupers...their clone of the Kadee #5 was about 10% oversized for HO...very close to S, they also have some "modern" no override style couplers....has anyone approached them? By the way I tried to get Kadee to do this over 30 years ago when I was creating and manufacturing S track and Coupler height gages (my S coupler height gage is still offered by the NASG modified to take the 802 instead of a #5). It would take a real PR blitz with NASG support but this is now easy with email. S Gaugingly Yours, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49929	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages

Wow Jim, very nice work and help...much more than I could even envision. Thanks for widening my experience and e-world knowledge base. This concept with Blogs (the younguns all use blogs now a-days) may be a perfect match for now and get me up and running...I do not want to be tied to a service provider for a variety of reasons. I am going to study the ideas and info you presented and will probably get back to you. I do thank you for such an informative and well put together presentation...already looked up the sites you linked and discovered someone making track cleaner cars that I never was aware of....I am sure many of us will benefit from your information. Whaaata country, and whaaaata fine bunch of people we have in S S Gaugingly Yours, Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49930	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages

Hi all and Jim I. ....I have done it, got my own web page up and running ...just very basics now, but will add photo's, links and stuff for sale, repairs etc. in future. Look me up and comments are welcome...http://trains-4-u.blogspot.com Formerly on ebay as drktrains, and still at rr4u@... (personal contact) Thanks Jim....Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49931	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages

Won't display.... Tried.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Trains" <rr4u@...>: -------------- Hi all and Jim I. ....I have done it, got my own web page up and running ...just very basics now, but will add photo's, links and stuff for sale, repairs etc. in future. Look me up and comments are welcome...http://trains-4-u.blogspot.com Formerly on ebay as drktrains, and still at rr4u@... (personal contact) Thanks Jim....Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49932	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages

Folks, I use an old and VERY easy to use program called AOLPress to build my web pages/sites. It is no longer supported by AOL, but is still an excellent program to use. It falls into the "WYSIWYG" catagory (aka : What You See Is What You Get), so it requires no html coding knowledge / experience. It is FAR more capable than most of the on-line based site builders offered by most site-hosts. There is, however, one small problem with using AOLPress on properly updated operating systems from Windows 98 on up, but it is easy to work around; I've been working around it for years with no problem. If you're interested in AOLPress, I have made it available as a FREE download on my web site at the link below : www.trainweb.org/seaboard/AOLPress/aolpress.htm Also... are you folks aware that you can use Microsoft Excel to build web pages? It is a bit more limited than AOLPress, but if you're familiar with/fluent with Excel, you've got it made! John Degnan Scaler164@... I'm Voting Democrat Because... http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/votingdemocrat.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49933	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages

It works if you delete the "welcome..." that ended up being included in the link. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: rcon7@... > Won't display.... Tried.... Bob > -------------- Original message from "Trains" <rr4u@...>: -------------- > > Hi all and Jim I. ....I have done it, got my own web page up and running ...just > very basics now, but will add photo's, links and stuff for sale, repairs etc. in > future. > > Look me up and comments are welcome...http://trains-4-u.blogspot.com > > Formerly on ebay as drktrains, and still at rr4u@... (personal contact) > > Thanks Jim....Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49934	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages

Thanks for your thoughts and ideas, I do appreciate it Bob Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49935	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} S scale couplers

----- Original Message ----- From: Trains To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S scale couplers Just a minor thought: Reference coupler height gages and coupler installation. When I originaly invented, produced and sold the only (at the time) S-Scale coupler height Gage, Jack Troxell machined the Master pattern for me to my specs. The original "Loeb Investments" Coupler Height Gage was designed based on current scale wheel flange depth, and therefore could theoretically be used to check coupler heigth sitting flat on a work surface with car riding on flanges. However then as NOW, flange depths vary from one manufacturer to the other and from different "times" wheels were manufactured. So the "only" way the height gauge should be used, is to gauge and check with the NASG (formerly "Loeb Investments") S Scale Coupler Height Gage stradeling the rails and car sitting on the rails. This may seem to be obvious to some, maybe not to neophites to the installation of "magnetic" couplers. For those of you wanting to put simulated "scale" couplers (like Kadee/SHS etc.) on AF/Lionel/K-Lines and others cars still using Hi-Rail wheels this is especially important, as there is a much greater variation in flange sizes in Hi-Rail and the truck mounted coupler also changes coupler heights from one make to the other. By the way, it is not a major problem to convert typical AF cars to Kadee #5/802 or SHS couplers, does require some modification of coupler drfat gear box and or drilling/tapping a mounting hole. I have also converted an AF manual/electric uncoupler to work with AF and Kadee/SHS couplers and it works great. So for Scale buffs some help maybe and for highrail buffs some help maybe? I am in process of getting my own web site up and running and would welcome your comments, input etc. Thanks to those who have already responded...it is appreciated. http://www.trains-4-u.blogspot.com and comming soon (in a few days) my own domain name: http://www.trains-4-u.com S Gaugingly yours, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49936	From: Trains	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages

Thanks for trying...I goofed trying to cut and paste it...lost the www. part, do try again with http://www.trains-4-u.blogspot.com It's a crude effort right now....just got my own domain name registered to further increase potential and flexibility so in a few days there should be a protected web address and name.....the blog site will suposedly automatically rederect to my website http://www.trains-4-u.com Nice and short and easy to remember, now will have to undertake a whole new learning experience to get my site up and running. S Gaugingly yours, Peter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49937	From: Andrew Buczko	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re Building Web Pages

OH man, I HATE blogs, its like "hey lets put the entire internet on one page and try to download it".. Really you can probably find your self a dot.com name really cheep mine is dsprototyping.com. I got it for $6. If you need a place to host pictures, HTML pages, CGI scripts and even a store with check out and shipping calculating, then give my friend a call http://www.akroncdnr.com heres were you can see some of my trains: http://www.dsprototyping.com/projects/AF-trains/AF-trains.htm Andy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49938	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages

Oh, by the way... you can also use Microsoft WORD to build very basic web pages. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re Building Web Pages > Folks, > > I use an old and VERY easy to use program called AOLPress to build my web > pages/sites. It is no longer supported by AOL, but is still an excellent > program to use. It falls into the "WYSIWYG" catagory (aka : What You See Is > What You Get), so it requires no html coding knowledge / experience. It is > FAR more capable than most of the on-line based site builders offered by > most site-hosts. There is, however, one small problem with using AOLPress > on properly updated operating systems from Windows 98 on up, but it is easy > to work around; I've been working around it for years with no problem. > > If you're interested in AOLPress, I have made it available as a FREE > download on my web site at the link below : > > www.trainweb.org/seaboard/AOLPress/aolpress.htm > > Also... are you folks aware that you can use Microsoft Excel to build web > pages? It is a bit more limited than AOLPress, but if you're familiar > with/fluent with Excel, you've got it made!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49939	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: flood light car #24529

I had never noticed that ring before!  Going through all the pictures I have collected for my website, I see that only a couple have the ring intact.  I have one with a painted generator and the ring was off before it was painted.  It's so small that I'll bet the plastic never got into that section of the mold.   Again, what makes you think it's a 24529 rather than a 946?  The 1980 Greenberg Guide, the TM Guide, and Doyle all say the 24529 had a yellow generator, not a green one.  Volume I of Greenberg's 1991 Guide is confused: it says the box is necessary to verify that the car is a 24529 rather than a 946 (implying that not all the generators were yellow), but it also says you can tell the difference because the 24529 had a plastic wire whereas the 946 had cloth.  That would seem to distinguish them without the box!   The white wire coming in from the end on your car makes me think it has been rewired.   Bob --- On Mon, 9/1/08, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: flood light car #24529 To: theupstairstrain@... Date: Monday, September 1, 2008, 12:45 PM As you can see the car is not in very good condition, I was surprised that the ring was not broken off Jerry ____________________________________________________________ Save on Trade Schools - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oLav1FIm98ZjMKFiuZfkQNJdo78bTyRwHru25QeC15Nb9yb/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49940	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: FOR SALE

american flyer rubber road bed for sale, contact me off list lglumac@... gray or black curves =$2 straights $3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49941	From: raleigh	Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S scale couplers

and he notes - That's strange - I have a coupler height gauge made by John Bortz back in the 60's. When did you "invent" yours? Raleigh in cool but comfortable Maine At 04:18 PM 9/1/2008, Trains wrote: >Just a minor thought: Reference coupler height gages and coupler installation. > >When I originaly invented, produced and sold the only (at the time) >S-Scale coupler height Gage, Jack Troxell machined the Master >pattern for me to my specs. The original "Loeb Investments" Coupler >Height Gage was designed based on current scale wheel flange depth, >and therefore could theoretically be used to check coupler heigth >sitting flat on a work surface with car riding on flanges. > >However then as NOW, flange depths vary from one manufacturer to the >other and from different "times" wheels were manufactured. So the >"only" way the height gauge should be used, is to gauge and check >with the NASG (formerly "Loeb Investments") S Scale Coupler Height >Gage stradeling the rails and car sitting on the rails. This may >seem to be obvious to some, maybe not to neophites to the >installation of "magnetic" couplers. > >For those of you wanting to put simulated "scale" couplers (like >Kadee/SHS etc.) on AF/Lionel/K-Lines and others cars still using >Hi-Rail wheels this is especially important, as there is a much >greater variation in flange sizes in Hi-Rail and the truck mounted >coupler also changes coupler heights from one make to the other. > >By the way, it is not a major problem to convert typical AF cars to >Kadee #5/802 or SHS couplers, does require some modification of >coupler drfat gear box and or drilling/tapping a mounting hole. I >have also converted an AF manual/electric uncoupler to work with AF >and Kadee/SHS couplers and it works great. > >So for Scale buffs some help maybe and for highrail buffs some help maybe? > >I am in process of getting my own web site up and running and would >welcome your comments, input etc. >Thanks to those who have already responded...it is appreciated. > ><http://www.trains-4-u.blogspot.com>http://www.trains-4-u.blogspot.com >and comming soon (in a few days) my own domain name: ><http://www.trains-4-u.com>http://www.trains-4-u.com > >S Gaugingly yours, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49942	From: raleigh	Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S scale couplers

and he recalls - The first time I met John Bortz was at the 1968 NESGA Convention where he had couplers and (I'm sure, but memory is not a reliable source) he had gauges. However I got mine (along with a supply of couplers) from Gene Fletcher in the early 60s. I recall him telling me he bought them from John. They were machined phenolic and worked quite well. I also have a modified Kadee height gauge made by the late Ron Koch and if I recall correctly, there was a Herald article back in the 60s on making one. And, if I'm not mistaken, Claud Wade offered a gauge. It would seem that back in the dark ages, anyone capable of building a kit (or scratch building a model) would be capable of building a gauge or modifying a Kadee gauge. Tom Coughlan, Gene Fletcher, Don Riley and just about everyone I knew had a length of track with a gauge to check rail to coupler center heights and trains ran on each others' tracks. I remember one fellow though (the late Leon Walker I believe) who had a slew of cars with Devore couplers (remember them?). He started changing them to Kadees and either didn't have a gauge or (in Leon's typical manner) didn't think he needed one. The couplers were about half the height of a coupler low but the d- - -'d things worked with other cars anyway. If one hung up on a switch frog or an uncoupling ramp, he just bent the rod with a pair of pliers! Now that was model railroading back when. Now maybe John didn't make the gauges (although he was more than able of doing so) but somebody did and '"inventing" a gauge? You may have "produced" a new and improved gauge and that in itself was an asset to the hobby. The fact that NASG uses the same design should be considered a form of flattery. As the late Gene Fletcher would say; "When you find a good thing, don't mess with it!" Incidentally, who would check a coupler height with the power on? Wouldn't this be done at the work bench? Seems a bit risky - unless you've got insulated fingers!... At 01:22 AM 9/2/2008, Trains wrote: >Hi Raleigh, > >I too knew John Bortz, having visited him at his home and meeting at >several national conventions. I also knew about most of the products >he made, including "the only, at the time" S coupler made by >lengthening the trip pin on Kadee #5 couplers. But I do not recall >any coupler height gage made by him. Was it machined brass? I have >seen a few one-off hand made gages over the years that were made >from machined brass. There was nothing offered at the time in S to >"gage" the coupler height of a Kadee coupler of any kind. I and >several other S people checked extensively at the time, OK! > >The "Loeb Investments" coupler height gage, as invented by me, was a >new, unique design and offered "new" advantages and qualities that >no other height gage did in any scale at the time ...and still does >not. Coupler height gages have been around since couplers existed, a >properly sized block of wood will do, so whats your point? > >I made mine out of brightly colored plastic to be easely seen and to >avoid shorts on live powered rails. The current NASG gage IS the >same design and general apearance (an exact copy) of my design, >except that the NASG produced gage was modified to accept a Kadee >#802 coupler. > >I was into producing a number of S items under the name of "Loeb >Investments", in Houston, Texas... and I believe was involved with >this from mid 1960's to mid 1970's. When I sold "Loeb Investments" S >products, my railroad only hobby shop, known as "Pete's Switch >Stand", and S scale layout (Houston S Gaugers 1st. operating layout) >in my garage (Layout was later featured on the cover of Model >Railroader after being purchased and added to by another S gauger). > >Dr. K. Loeb, (Peter) > >"Loeb Investments" Manufacturer of a variety of S scale kits, >precision brass 3 point track gages in S standard gage, Sn3/S and >Sn3, coupler height gage, and other items for S enthusiasts. (aprox >mid 1960's -1970's) >"Pete's Switch Stand", Houstons premier, railroad only hobby shop, >and home to the best scratch building supplies and prize winning >modelers in HO, Sn3, S and O scales around anywhere. > >Check out the beginning of my web/blog site at ><http://www.trains-4-u.blogspace.com>http://www.trains-4-u.blogspace.com > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49943	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: roadbad material

Hi All, I've not yet started my railroad, although I do have the basic support structures, basic tables etc. built. I am wondering what to use beneath my track. I have some Gargraves track, got a bunch at a garage sale years ago. How do I tell if its stainless or tinplate? What is tinplate BTW? Back to beneath whatever the track is, I want to avoid the noise of track nailed directly to plywood, but don't like the looks or price of the roadbed material I have seen. I wonder if there is some kind of sheet material that is soft enough to absorb the sound and block it from the plywood, thin enough not to put my track way up in the air, and of course, cheap enough to satisfy my nature. what do others use. Thanks, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49944	From: Trains	Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Re%3ACorrection%20to%20new%20S%20web%20site

RE: conversation..... Hello, Now that is an interesting website. I love the pictures you've got on there. The 8-coupled - what track is that displayed on? It looks like SHS flextrack, but I can't tell. Regardless, it does look good. Now, are these conversions from AF to Scale then or just from nonworking AF to working whatever? *idle curiosity* Either way, a very well-laid out website. um.... which begs the question of where you get your replacement drivers from? :) - Brian Hi Brian, Thanks for looking at the NEW web/blog site, The engines are AF junkers/not restorable to original condition. I am experimenting with what can be done with existing stuff be it scale/highrail/AF. I try not to place much emphasis on the destinctions of ONLY one or the other. They have a ways to go, the Atlantic is going to get some modified O spoked drivers that work out to around 82" in S. On all Items that I modify I will be turning down the flanges to close to S-Scale code 110. See why below! The 2-8-4 will need a motor mount and smoke/choo-choo addition, and a couple of double compound pumps on the side, and a feedwater heater, probably on the brow. The basic mmechanism and drivers are from a junked Nord 2-8-2, modified to take an AF 4 wheel trailing truck. All the flanges on AF/Lionel/K-line etc. are far to big and totally unnecessary for great operation on FLAT topped rail. The wheel/flange designs are carry overs from toy train "O" ga. round top rail from the early beginings of Lionel, AF and others, probably from european influences.. The so-called "fast angle" designs allows for in-precise track gauge and wheel slop as was common with most O toy trains before WW2. And alows the wheel to "find" a spot on the rail to ride as it slides on the angled face of the tread and flange In todays world of greater precision and fixed wheel mounting on an axle (not floating, as was common practice pre war), combined with original 2 rail AF flat top track and SHS, AM, etc. etc. precisely gauged track...one could use scale sized (or close to it) flanges and have the same thrill of high speed running that some toy train enthusiasts enjoy. It is one of my biggest peaves with Lionel/AF and K-Line etc. that they persist in this completely stupid, outdated and unnecessary persuite of pre-WW2 wheel designs, without any inteligent thought. Indeed if you look closely at Lionel/AF the flange depth has actually increased since Lionel has been in China. No one gets it neither the Chinese or Lionel! It is really stupid, hello, lights are on, any one home? Just think about the increased sales for all if the current scale standards for wheel design were THE standad for all items produced in S...now we are talking bigger numbers and larger market and much broader appeal to new people/entries....What is wrong, does no one SEE this! Well enough for now, Thanks for looking Brian, S Gaugingly yours, Peter http://www.trains-4-u.blogspot.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49945	From: Trains	Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S scale couplers

Hi Raleigh, I too knew John Bortz, having visited him at his home and meeting at several national conventions. I also knew about most of the products he made, including "the only, at the time" S coupler made by lengthening the trip pin on Kadee #5 couplers. But I do not recall any coupler height gage made by him. Was it machined brass? I have seen a few one-off hand made gages over the years that were made from machined brass. There was nothing offered at the time in S to "gage" the coupler height of a Kadee coupler of any kind. I and several other S people checked extensively at the time, OK! The "Loeb Investments" coupler height gage, as invented by me, was a new, unique design and offered "new" advantages and qualities that no other height gage did in any scale at the time ...and still does not. Coupler height gages have been around since couplers existed, a properly sized block of wood will do, so whats your point? I made mine out of brightly colored plastic to be easely seen and to avoid shorts on live powered rails. The current NASG gage IS the same design and general apearance (an exact copy) of my design, except that the NASG produced gage was modified to accept a Kadee #802 coupler. I was into producing a number of S items under the name of "Loeb Investments", in Houston, Texas... and I believe was involved with this from mid 1960's to mid 1970's. When I sold "Loeb Investments" S products, my railroad only hobby shop, known as "Pete's Switch Stand", and S scale layout (Houston S Gaugers 1st. operating layout) in my garage (Layout was later featured on the cover of Model Railroader after being purchased and added to by another S gauger). Dr. K. Loeb, (Peter) "Loeb Investments" Manufacturer of a variety of S scale kits, precision brass 3 point track gages in S standard gage, Sn3/S and Sn3, coupler height gage, and other items for S enthusiasts. (aprox mid 1960's -1970's) "Pete's Switch Stand", Houstons premier, railroad only hobby shop, and home to the best scratch building supplies and prize winning modelers in HO, Sn3, S and O scales around anywhere. Check out the beginning of my web/blog site at http://www.trains-4-u.blogspace.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49946	From: Trains	Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Re Building Web Pages

Thanks I will look intyo your sites and explore ...have gotten a domain name already and will be up and running in a few days http://www.trains-4-u.com thanks for suggestions, Peter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49947	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Roadbed material

First off, it is almost impossible to eliminate all the noise of toy trains. Metal wheels on metal track, screwed directly to plywood is the worst, of course, because the sound vibrations resonate from train to wood. Plastic wheels help a little. Basically, all you can do is put a "gasket" of sound deadening material of some kind between the trains and the plywood, so the sound cannot resonate through the whole layout. By using Gargraves, you have wood between the rail and the ply, so that's a start. There are a number of rubber, plastic, or cork roadbed products which look good and reduce the sound between rail and ply, but these tend to be costly. Just plain old box type corrugated cardboard will work and is cheap. You could also use linoleum (old time fix), the back side of which is black or gray usually. Cheap floor tile works too (the cheap stuff is less resiliant to foot traffic, not a prblem for roadbed.) Just ballast them to hide what they are. A friend used "Gatorboard" under his O gauge track with good results. It has a posterboard type top and bottom with styrofoam in between, but this stuff can be expensive if you need a lot of it. Using extruded styrofoam (not the bead board) as a layout base or as a layer atop plywood is very popular in smaller scales, and I use it exclusively for my display layouts, but it's not cheap unless you can find "cut offs" at a construction site. Do not use "foam rubber" as it is too soft and the weight of the trains pushes the track directly down to the plywood. To further eliminate transmitting vibration from track to board, you can use a silicone caulking compound rather than nails or screws. The silicone is rubbery and there is no direct metal link of screws or nails from track to plywood. The track can also be carefully pulled back up should the need arise. Don't use construction glue as it sets up hard and will transmit vibration. To further isolate sound, use gray "kitty litter" or "oil dry" as ballast rather than model railroad ground stone ballast (and it's much cheaper.) I don't know of any product that directly fulfills all your criteria, but perhaps a combination of some of the suggestions above might work. It might at least get you thinking about other possible solutions! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49948	From: roy inman	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Texas Special

Did anyone else happen to read Bill Parr's full page advert that he usually runs in the Gaugain? There was a line describing the upcoming Texas Special E-6 and a four car set, plus optional three cars. I called him about the set and he said that it had been delayed (anyone surprised?), but that it might be out end of year of first of next. Cost to be around $800 for the twin-powered A-A E-6 units and the four car set.. Oh, and it's by American Models. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49949	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: CRESCENT CITY S-GAUGERS

Anyone heard from Jay Mellon or others from the Crescent City Group? Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49950	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: roadbad material

Dave, I used product for roadbed from http://www.vinylbed.com/ Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: D. Winslow To: s-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 5:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] roadbad material Hi All, I've not yet started my railroad, although I do have the basic support structures, basic tables etc. built. I am wondering what to use beneath my track. I have some Gargraves track, got a bunch at a garage sale years ago. How do I tell if its stainless or tinplate? What is tinplate BTW? Back to beneath whatever the track is, I want to avoid the noise of track nailed directly to plywood, but don't like the looks or price of the roadbed material I have seen. I wonder if there is some kind of sheet material that is soft enough to absorb the sound and block it from the plywood, thin enough not to put my track way up in the air, and of course, cheap enough to satisfy my nature. what do others use. Thanks, Dave W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49951	From: Trains	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: ALL S-Scale S- Gaugers; Hi-Rail; AF or couch potatoes Kadee could

I have contacted Kadee Quality Products Co. in White City, Oregon, on behalf of ALL S enthusiasts everywhere. In talking to them, here is what they said: We already have these style (shelf/non-overide) couplers available in HO. It would not be a that difficult to get them produced in S, providing we can be convinced there is a market and ...priorities can be adjusted to reflect demand based on emails, letters phone calls etc. So that means ALL of you could influence Kadee to produce a coupler type that you want. Those that may personally not be interested in a shelf/non-overide style coupler, should still write-in requesting this, as it is a numbers game, the wheel that squeeks gets the grease, as many "old timers" know from friction bearing days. I can not emphasize enough how important your personal input is, to Kadee and getting these produced. I am providing you with a link to their site, their address, email and a phone number to call. Kadee Quality Products Co. 673 Avenue C White City, OR 97503-1078 Attention Sam Clark Call: after 1pm PST Mon-Thu. 541-826-3883 ask for Sam Clark Web site: http://www.kadee.com/ Email: Go to their web site and click on e-mail LETTER / EMAIL to Kadee (use, adapt or create your own) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Kadee Quality Products Co. 673 Avenue C White City, OR 97503-1078 Attn: Sam Clark Re: Request for the production of an accurate S-Scale, shelf/non-overide coupler, Metal, prefered, with suitable draft gear box. Date: 09-03-08 Dear People at Kadee Quality Products Co, S-Scale model railroading enthusiasts around the country and world, are in dire need of a 1:64 proportioned S-Scale shelf/non-overide style coupler. This would be similar to your HO #118 and #119 couplers, except proportioned to 1:64" S-Scale. There is nothing available through any other source. We have been loyal and enthusiastic supporters of Kadee products for four decades, We have utilized/adapted Kadee #5's, and more recently #802's for almost all of S-scale cars and locomotives, numbering in the 10's of thousands world wide. S-Scale is a rapidly expanding market, featuring top quality locomotives and rolling stock, that lead the way in model railroading. With thousands of new cars and locomotives being produced every year. More and more modelers (some of which are very experienced and demanding) are switching over to S-Scale from other scales. In addition S is supported by increasing number of quality S manufacturers and importers. We also have a strong national organization the NASG, National Association of S Gaugers. Please strongly consider producing a much needed item, the S-scale, 1:64 proportioned shelf/non-overide style coupler. Most gratefully, ----------------------------your signature, name,email contact, phone # (as you please to do) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please consider this, I have made it very easy for you, manufactures, importers, distributors, suppliers, hobby shops, NASG, NMRA, collectors, arm chair modelers, and anyone that I forgot, please get a communication off to Kadee. I hope this will provide the impetus to get it done. Most S gaugingly yours, Dr. K. loeb (Peter), NASG member rr4u@... http://www.trains-4-u.blogspot.com This is for you and me and all of us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49952	From: race944t	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: roadbad material

I have used 30# roofing felt. It's black, absorbs sound and is cheap. You can then use any sort of ballast you choose to fill in around ties. (Banker) Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49953	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Sound reasoning?

Dave's question has me thinking about sound on a model railroad. Trying to deaden sound started right after the first parents discovered that toy trains and metal track on a hardwood floor can be nerve racking! Even today, a number of trains running on a big layout with metal wheels on metal track can create a hell of a noise! Of course, there are a lot of folks like that noise, it takes them back to their childhood. In many cases the Gilbert "Choo-choo" sound disappears in the roar of wheels, dulling the experiance of having the sound. The same is true of locos with the expensive modern sound systems. The local modular club has a layout with three O gauge tracks and an S gauge track. When every track is running with sound equipped locos, there is a horrendous din, but you can't hear the separate sounds until the loco passes right where you are standing. You have to shout answers to questions the people watching have shouted to you! A single engine on a single track with sound deadening roadbed is really neat. A herd of trains becomes a ridculous distraction. Try sitting at a four track modular layout for eight hours for the two days of a train show and your ears will ring like you've been to a NASCAR race! Of course if you've been around auto racing as long as I have, you can't lose too much more of your hearing! It used to be that hearing the whistle in the tender was our only sound concern. In this day and age of electronics we are required to consider this feature when building a layout or running trains to really get the most out of the product. Stumpy Stone...dangerously deep in thought...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49954	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: roadbad material

Thanks Bill, I'll experiment with the felt. It would not compress unevenly when tracks are nailed down, a potential problem I've been worried about in the case of other material. Dave race944t wrote: > > > I have used 30# roofing felt. It's black, absorbs sound and is cheap. > You can then use any sort of ballast you choose to fill in around ties. > > (Banker) Bill Clark > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49955	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Limiting Blog Page Length (was Building Web Pages)

>> On Sep 1, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Andrew Buczko wrote: > >> OH man, I HATE blogs, its like "hey lets put the entire > >> internet on one page and try to download it".. 1===CONTROLLING PAGE LENGTH: The above comment brings up a good point. You CAN limit the length of the blog's main page, by allowing only 1 "post" per page. Then each "post" becomes a separate page, instead of all them appearing on the main page. I definitely recommend doing this. ~~~~~~ For example, on http://NineDollarWebPage.com , there are about 15 posts (pages). * Note that each one appears as a separate page. * Note that none of the individual pages are excessively long. * You access the individual pages via the "Links List" on the right. Page 11 on NineDollarWebPage.com (11 Recommended Blog Settings) shows a screen capture of how to set this up. Basically you use the setting "1 post allowed on the main page". Doing this more or less "forces" the other posts to appear on their own page. : 2===MODIFYING PETER'S PAGE: ======================== Regarding Peter Loeb's new web page at http://trains-4-u.blogspot.com , I would recommend doing the following: (not that he's obligated to agree with me) * (1) Change settings to allow only 1 post on the main page. This will shorten the main page, and put the earlier posting on a separate page. * (2) Remove all those photos from out of the right sidebar, and put them instead on whichever page they belong to. I.e., put them in the body of a post (page), not the sidebar. The right sidebar should usually be reserved mainly for links, not photos. ~~~~~ If the photos are moved to the "body" of the blog, then they should open larger when a viewer clicks on them. * (3) Put a links list in the sidebar, to access the other pages. This might be tricky the first time through. It's probably better to call me on the phone, and I can walk you through it, rather then me trying to type a 500 word procedure that would probably just be confusing. Or browse Blogger's Help section, http://help.blogger.com/ ( http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=43708 ) * (4) Remove the "Blog Archive". Also remove the "About Me", unless you plan to put some information there. : 3===YAHOO PAGES: ======================== On Aug 31, 2008, at 11:01 PM, Robert Graves wrote: > I have used geocities.com (now part of Yahoo) for all my websites. > I didn't have to buy and learn web authoring software: geocities > has its own easy-to-use drag and drop interface. You can do some > pretty nice stuff without getting into any of the more advanced > features they offer. KISS. > Robert Graves mentioned the Yahoo web pages. These appear to me to work similar to the Google Pages/Comcast/Verizon, and Google blogs ( blogspot.com aka blogger.com ) which is what I have been recommending. A year ago or so, I made a test page using Yahoo ( http:// geocities.com/sos17703/ ) But in the past 10 years, Yahoo has never fixed their software so it works well on the Macintosh, so it's not very useable for me. If you plan on always using Windows (a depressing thought to a Mac enthusiast), the Yahoo web pages should also work just fine for you. With the Google blogs, I can edit them using my Windows XP Virusbox, OR my Mac, and it works well for both platforms. So for me, they are definitely preferable to the Yahoo Geocities pages. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49956	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: roadbad material

My Standard Gauge and S gauge layouts have green waterproof marine carpet as used on boats glued to the plywood bases. I am happy with the noise levels. If you added foam, rubber or different colored carpet as ballast sections under the track itself, on top of the carpet, I am sure your problem would be solved. The marine carpet is of fairly high density, looks realistic in these scales and does not abrade and find its way onto the underside of locos. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of D. Winslow Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:roadbad material Thanks Bill, I'll experiment with the felt. It would not compress unevenly when tracks are nailed down, a potential problem I've been worried about in the case of other material. Dave race944t wrote: > > > I have used 30# roofing felt. It's black, absorbs sound and is cheap. > You can then use any sort of ballast you choose to fill in around ties. > > (Banker) Bill Clark > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1648 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 7:15 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49957	From: strain97009	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: SHS 2-8-0's For sale

I have 2 SHS 2-8-0's for sale. 1) Santa Fe with Locomatic Sound, KD style couplers American Flyer Compatible Wheels. Includes sound controller and everything that was in the box. Test run less than a 100 feet. List $599.00 Your Price $480.00 plus Shipping. 2) B&O Number 2 DC No Sound KD Style Couplers. AF coupler included. American Flyer compatible Wheels Missing Smoke Fluid and funnel. Has had very little running. Not sure how much as It was received in trade. Your Price $250.00 plus shipping My Loss your gain. Contact me for more imformation Bob Boring Borore@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49958	From: Trains	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Brass S Kadee couplers

Hi Bill, appreciate your input and info. Ideas are necessary to create action, action creates a movement, that takes on form and could result in an actual product taking shape, How and who and when...that's a question that can be answered. The question about oversized 802 is kind of moot according to Kadee's Sam Clarke, who has measured, calculated and determined that this coupler (802) is NOT OVERSIZED for S- Scale, and follows actual dimensions of the pulling face/knuckle of a real type E coupler, that is 12" + /- in real life and calculates to .1875" and would amount to 12" +/- in S-Scale. In real life variations existin production/manufacturer of a real coupler...the range Mr. Clarke states is usually around 12" down to, in some instances 11". The 802 (808) are not oversized according to Kadee's Sam Clarke. He further stated to me that the #5 HO coupler IS 20% oversized for HO Scale and just about perfect for Sn3 and about 10% to small for S-Scale proportions. In addition we talked in some length about adapting HO couplers that are in the 20% oversize category and have the customary #5 style shank and spring plate, everyone should look at the adaptability of the #40 series couplers, as this series offers a number of different coupler shank lengths, coupler head orientations, overset, centered and underset coupler heads in relation to the shank. The 40 series is METAL and therefore more robust, as would be needed in S, and this series is identical to the familiar #5 coupler, except for the flexibility in being able to select any variety of choices in length and offsets. The draft gear box and spring plate are iddentical to the #5 and offer "delayed uncoupling". Are all of you paying attention??? This takes care of the desired "scale" distance between cars of 3'-0"...and you do not have to shim/add washers to raise car if you can select an offset head/shank length that works! Additionally the existing Kadee #118 - HO shelf/non-overide coupler may be OK to use as it does mate with #5's ....for now anyway till something else comes along??? Can look al this up on Kadee's site: http://www.kadee.com Or contact me Thanks, S Gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb If yo care to look http://www.trains-4-u.com Not Pennsy and not just scale...maybe fun? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49959	From: Trains	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Fw: Question About S

----- Original Message ----- From: <mail@...> To: <rr4u@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Question About S > Hello Peter, > > It was nice to talk to you and thank for your requests and efforts to > promote more S scale couplers and products. In our next production meeting > I'll bring this up and see where we can go with it. Yes we actually have > production meetings once in a while when needed. I do caution you to > please > understand we have to deal with products based on priorities which depends > on market share and modelers demands and since S scale unfortunately does > not have a very high market share we can only put S scale shelf couplers > on > our production list and hope we receive enough requests to move it up to a > point of consideration. We'd love to produce more products in O and S > scales > but we are so swamped with HO and G scale that I don't know how it's going > to happen very soon. Don't hold your breath but keep you eyes open, we'll > see what we can do. > > Sam Clarke > Kadee Quality Products > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rr4u@...> > To: <mail@...> > Cc: <rr4u@...> > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:05 PM > Subject: Question About S > > >> ========================================================================== >> Name: Dr. K. Loeb >> E-mail: rr4u@... >> Retail Dealer Distributor >> ========================================================================== >> Remarks: >> To: Kadee Quality Products Co. >> 673 Avenue C >> White City, OR 97503-1078 >> >> Attn: Sam Clark >> Re: Request for the production of an accurate S-Scale, shelf/non-overide > coupler, Metal, prefered, with suitable draft gear box. >> Date: 09-03-08 >> >> Dear People at Kadee Quality Products Co, >> >> S-Scale model railroading enthusiasts around the country and world, are >> in > dire need of a 1:64 proportioned S-Scale shelf/non-overide style coupler. > This would be similar to your HO #118 and #119 couplers, except > proportioned > to 1:64" S-Scale. >> >> There is nothing available through any other source. We have been loyal > and enthusiastic supporters of Kadee products for four decades, We have > utilized/adapted Kadee #5's, and more recently #802's for almost all of > S-scale cars and locomotives, numbering in the 10's of thousands world > wide. >> >> S-Scale is a rapidly expanding market, featuring top quality locomotives > and rolling stock, that lead the way in model railroading. With thousands > of > new cars and locomotives being produced every year. More and more modelers > (some of which are very experienced and demanding) are switching over to > S-Scale from other scales. In addition S is supported by increasing number > of quality S manufacturers and importers. We also have a strong national > organization the NASG, National Association of S Gaugers. >> >> Please strongly consider producing a much needed item, the S-scale, 1:64 > proportioned shelf/non-overide style coupler. >> >> Most gratefully, >> >> Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) >> rr4u@... >> >> You should receive a copy of this e-mail. >> If you don't receive an e-mail then you will need to contact Kadee®. >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1648 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 5:29 PM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49960	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: ALL S-Scale S- Gaugers; Hi-Rail; AF or couch potatoes Kadee coul

wWhat is wrong with 802 and 808 ? they already are in S scale. I like link couples in Flyer., BUT I do have a FEW knuckles. ____________________________________________________________ Physical Therapy Certification Training - Save online. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oLu9PVML9uyyOTPPr9rkvj4qKoqatteTlkp7vjs3nqbiZ5Z/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49961	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: roadbad material

Allowing the best possible sound from modern electronic onboard sound systems (AF, AM, SHS, Soundtraxx, QSI, etc.) was an objective for my layout from the beginning. I have been very pleased with the outcome. In fact, when I run an S-Helper DCC 2-8-0, for example, with sounds off you practically can't tell its running unless you watch it. That means when the sounds are reactivated (F8) they come through crystal clear. The same is true for other engines as well, including of course good ol' ACG choo-choo equipped steamers. This really helps too when running 2, 3, 4 or more trains at the same time. Can't imagine that with a background of rail-rumbling competing with the sound systems. The top is 3/4" plywood, a layer of tongue in groove 3/4" pink foamboards, one continous sheet of indoor-outdoor carpet (the green with black flecks felt-finish type, not the ribbed or plastic-grass bladed type) and SHS S-Trax sectional track. 1x2's run around the perimeter of the 3/4" plywood. They contain the foamboard layer and allow people to lean on the edge of the layout without disfiguring it. Don't drill or nail anything through or from the tracks or ties to any of the the subtrates, especially the plywood. Only lead wires to the S-Trax every 4' or so pass from the tracks through the table. The tracks haven't shifted one bit, not even with heavy engines and consists at high speeds. Anything you connect the track to the plywood with will act as a "lightning rod" for the sounds generated by wheels rolling over the rails transmitting them very effectively and efficiently to the plywood turning it into one giant drumhead like amplifier. And for those of you that like at least a little clickety-clack between tracks, rest easy, you get some of that too with this design. One of the benefits of running metal-wheel rolling stock in addition to the fact they get rails less filthy less quickly than Gilbert plastic wheels is their gently clickety-clack at sectionional track interfaces.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49962	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed material

thanks Sumpy for the exhaustive response, its full of great ideas. I'm thinking rubber might be the most unable to transmit sound, and tracks held down via silicone, which will prevent me from overtightening the track via nail or screw. It doesn't mater how it looks, I'll use your kiddie litter ballast idea. Do you make a slurry of the kiddie litter and watered down glue and lather it in there? Thanks again, and to the other responders, seems like a great community out here. Dave Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > First off, it is almost impossible to eliminate all the noise of toy > trains. Metal wheels on metal track, screwed directly to plywood is > the worst, of course, because the sound vibrations resonate from > train to wood. Plastic wheels help a little. Basically, all you can > do is put a "gasket" of sound deadening material of some kind between > the trains and the plywood, so the sound cannot resonate through the > whole layout. > By using Gargraves, you have wood between the rail and the ply, so > that's a start. There are a number of rubber, plastic, or cork > roadbed products which look good and reduce the sound between rail > and ply, but these tend to be costly. Just plain old box type > corrugated cardboard will work and is cheap. You could also use > linoleum (old time fix), the back side of which is black or gray > usually. Cheap floor tile works too (the cheap stuff is less > resiliant to foot traffic, not a prblem for roadbed.) Just ballast > them to hide what they are. > A friend used "Gatorboard" under his O gauge track with good > results. It has a posterboard type top and bottom with styrofoam in > between, but this stuff can be expensive if you need a lot of it. > Using extruded styrofoam (not the bead board) as a layout base or as > a layer atop plywood is very popular in smaller scales, and I use it > exclusively for my display layouts, but it's not cheap unless you can > find "cut offs" at a construction site. Do not use "foam rubber" as > it is too soft and the weight of the trains pushes the track directly > down to the plywood. > To further eliminate transmitting vibration from track to board, you > can use a silicone caulking compound rather than nails or screws. > The silicone is rubbery and there is no direct metal link of screws > or nails from track to plywood. The track can also be carefully > pulled back up should the need arise. Don't use construction glue as > it sets up hard and will transmit vibration. > To further isolate sound, use gray "kitty litter" or "oil dry" as > ballast rather than model railroad ground stone ballast (and it's > much cheaper.) > I don't know of any product that directly fulfills all your > criteria, but perhaps a combination of some of the suggestions above > might work. It might at least get you thinking about other possible > solutions! > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49963	From: rwferr1	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: 630 caboose wiring

Hi all, I just bought a Reading 630 caboose on ebay because I wanted one that actually said "Reading" on it to go with my 21160. I got it for a very good price,a steal actually, it had one link coupler missing, but perfect for me since I want to put a knuckle on it for dual service anyway. The lighting works, but is more off than on. This beasty has a die cast frame which according to Bob Graves' site dates it from 1947-48. Not bad for a 60 yeard old toy, at 63 I have a few scratches and dings myself and even some rust. It has an $18 price tag on it from American Feed & Hardware 1101 N. Cole, which is way more than I paid for it including the shipping. Anyone know where that is? Googling only produced an address in Lima, OH and, oddly enough, a N. Cole drive in of all places, Gilbert, AZ. The electrical pick up relies on power going through the axle ends (no wipers) with one truck insulated from the frame and the other grounded to it. Upside down, the light is steady with leads clipped to axles. On the track, I can barely get it to flicker. I'm guessing adding wipers and possibly a hard wired ground link to the grounded truck would be the way to go, but I'd like to hear from anyone and everyone who has worked on one of these and gotten it to be reliable. I'm also toying with the idea of using a super capacitor circuit and changing the bulb to an LED. Thanks in advance, Ron Ferrel Fairly new to Flyer, but plunging right in in Pocatello, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49964	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Last Lowell Video, & Photos

1=== STILL PHOTOS: You can view some still photos from the Lowell Convention here: http://track2.com/video/video.shtml#nasg2008photos There's a link at the beginning, to the 2008 Glenn Ritter photos page. My photos are very SPORADIC. I have lots of photos of a few events, and no photos of most other events. : ====================================================== 2=== FINAL VIDEO #11 -- STAN & DEBBIE AMES OUTDOOR LAYOUT: http://vimeo.com/nasg -- the video should be the 1st video at the top of the page. This final video shows the layout of Stan and Debbie Ames (the same Debbie from Lenz.com and tttrains.com ). Please note that this layout is the "Super S" scale for outdoors -- also sometimes referred to as "LargeScale". * As mentioned in the video, this is a difficult railroad for an amateur like myself to film, because the layout is so integrated into the woods. * It's also a very LARGE, ambitious layout, both to construct and maintain. I think I may have overhead Debbie saying that they get some help from the local S gauge club. * This layout is track-powered, using Lenz DCC. * There are not too many "action" shots of trains running. I spent more effort attempting to "capture" as much of the layout as I could, as it's very spread out. : ====================================================== 3=== FYI NOTES: NAVIGATING VIMEO PAGES The above URL takes you to a Vimeo "Channel" page, which shows ALL videos in the "Nat'l Ass'n S Ga'grs" channel. To view a video on it's own page, click on the Video's title. TO GET BACK TO THE CHANNEL PAGE, FROM AN INDIVIDUAL VIDEO PAGE, **Scroll down and look on the right for heading "Channels". ** Under the "Channels" heading, look for a link that says "National Association of S Gaugers". ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49965	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Brass S Kadee couplers

I don't care how Kadee looks at it, 10% oversized AND/OR 20% undersized (or whatever) still means that it is NOT 1/64 scale. If being OVER and/or UNDER was "ok" and "acceptable," then WHY did Kadee invent the #58, #78, #118 and #119 "scale head" couplers for HO scalers?!? If OVERsized or UNDERsized couplers ain't alright in HO, then it ain't alright in S either! 'Nuff said. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49966	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: 48410 LTI TANK TRAIN

Anyone know where I might find one 48410 LTI Tank Train Tankcar? Prefer MIB..Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49967	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Roadbed response (again)

About 3-4 years ago I responded to this question of a inexpensive roadbed that would quiet the noise. Those of you that bought our video saw it in action as we ran a train from non-insulated to insulated with the sound up high. Home Depot type stores sell a product that is used to insulate between the foundation and the sill of a house. It is 1/4 inch thick and is baffled on one side (ala corrugated cardboard) it is made of a foam type material and is very easy to shape to any curve. We use a pair if scissors. Both Sam and my layouts are insulated with this product. It comes in 40 ft rolls and is 7 inches wide. You can get many pieces per foot from it. The only drawback is that it is BLUE, and you either need to paint it before gluing the track down or ballast it after. In any case there isn't anything as functional that is less expensive out there that we have ever found. If my memory serves me it was less than $5 a roll. We use "Liquid nails" to glue it down and again to glue the track to it. I will supply photos to anyone that is interested. Regards Steve SnS Trains Boise **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49968	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed response (again)

Hi Steve, I'm definitely interested. If you have those photos handy, then please send them along. Thanks, Dave boss31@... wrote: > > > About 3-4 years ago I responded to this question of a inexpensive roadbed > that would quiet the noise. Those of you that bought our video saw it in > action > as we ran a train from non-insulated to insulated with the sound up high. > Home Depot type stores sell a product that is used to insulate between the > foundation and the sill of a house. It is 1/4 inch thick and is baffled > on one > side (ala corrugated cardboard) it is made of a foam type material and > is very > easy to shape to any curve. We use a pair if scissors. Both Sam and my > layouts > are insulated with this product. It comes in 40 ft rolls and is 7 inches > wide. You can get many pieces per foot from it. The only drawback is > that it is > BLUE, and you either need to paint it before gluing the track down or > ballast > it after. In any case there isn't anything as functional that is less > expensive out there that we have ever found. If my memory serves me it > was less > than $5 a roll. We use "Liquid nails" to glue it down and again to glue the > track to it. I will supply photos to anyone that is interested. > Regards > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49969	From: Ed	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: New Poll

To those who might wonder what ever happened to ironhorse_ on the chat. For those of you in the Eastern half time zones, 8 pm is an ideal time, but for those of us on the West coast time zones, it is not. In many cases we have not had dinner. You East Coast people are fat and happy. So happy and relaxed that you have to fight the computer keyboard trying to get the fingers to hit the right keys while typing. Especially hard when you have had your wine and beer with dinner and maybe an after dinner drink or 2. LOL During the summer sunlight hours I don't plan on sitting in a room at a computer "burning daylight" as John Wayne once said. Winter is a different scenario. So when daylight savings time ceases and the daylight hours are shorter, I will be on earlier. Even when I have come in only 2 hrs later the chat is all but closed up. The party is over. Time to turn out the lights. I have checked in 3 times during the 5pm EDT daylight hours and maybe 2 or 3 were on chat and nothing being said. There was a time when chat went to midnight out here on the West Coast time zones, but no more. We all have other things we want to do during the summer hours. With the numbers stated it looks like we should just leave the chat as it is and wait for the winter season for more action. As for another day or time, with so few responding, it would not be worth it. When we have done Holiday chats, only a few ever checked in. If you want another day and time take ownership of it by posting the information and being there yourself for all the days and hours you are asking others to be there. I think you will become tired of being sitting there in front of your computer after awhile with little response. This is not a challenge, mind you, just experience talking. Don't forget Friday night end of week and going out to dinner and socializing. Some clubs have there meetings on Friday night so they stay later and run trains without having to get up and go to work the next morning. An observation on past Sunday Night chats: * With so few on chat, side chats should not be done. It stops the flow many times and in most cases it is obvious. People leave. I have done so myself in the past as well as others. * Respond to someone who posts. Do not leave that individual on the outside. I have seen that they leave when reading the chat later. Some with a frustrating comment. * With the side chats you are not paying attention to the main chat board. * When someone posts a question and no one answers, suggest that they post the question on the list to all members. Not all on the chat have all the answers. * When someone asks a question on chat they are looking for an immediate answer. That is why they came on chat that night. Lets not chase them away. * The chat is mostly social and that is great. We get to know each other, but sometimes we do have technical questions being asked. Ed Eckert -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:27 AM To: S-group Subject: [S-Trains] New Poll Hi All Ever since I have been a member of the group the chat meetings have always been on Sunday evenings I was just wondering what the group thought about changing the day of the chat. I have created a poll to see what you think with the idea of getting more people to attend the chats. http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/polls> yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/polls Thank you for your input John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49970	From: William Porter	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed response (again)

Hi Steve, I would like to see a photo and the name of the product would be a help if you have it. The things they carry in the Home Depot stores here in South Florida may be different than those in Idaho and the folks here never seem to understand any sort of word picture. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@... Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Roadbed response (again) About 3-4 years ago I responded to this question of a inexpensive roadbed that would quiet the noise. Those of you that bought our video saw it in action as we ran a train from non-insulated to insulated with the sound up high. Home Depot type stores sell a product that is used to insulate between the foundation and the sill of a house. It is 1/4 inch thick and is baffled on one side (ala corrugated cardboard) it is made of a foam type material and is very easy to shape to any curve. We use a pair if scissors. Both Sam and my layouts are insulated with this product. It comes in 40 ft rolls and is 7 inches wide. You can get many pieces per foot from it. The only drawback is that it is BLUE, and you either need to paint it before gluing the track down or ballast it after. In any case there isn't anything as functional that is less expensive out there that we have ever found. If my memory serves me it was less than $5 a roll. We use "Liquid nails" to glue it down and again to glue the track to it. I will supply photos to anyone that is interested. Regards Steve SnS Trains Boise _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49971	From: roy inman	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: ALL S-Scale S- Gaugers; Hi-Rail; AF or couch potatoes Kadee coul

What is a "shelf/non-overide style coupler? Roy Inman From: Trains <rr4u@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:12:03 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] ALL S-Scale S- Gaugers; Hi-Rail; AF or couch potatoes Kadee could be interested in a Shelf/non-overide style coupler made specifically for S I have contacted Kadee Quality Products Co. in White City, Oregon, on behalf of ALL S enthusiasts everywhere. In talking to them, here is what they said: We already have these style (shelf/non-overide) couplers available in HO. It would not be a that difficult to get them produced in S, providing we can be convinced there is a market and ...priorities can be adjusted to reflect demand based on emails, letters phone calls etc. So that means ALL of you could influence Kadee to produce a coupler type that you want. Those that may personally not be interested in a shelf/non-overide style coupler, should still write-in requesting this, as it is a numbers game, the wheel that squeeks gets the grease, as many "old timers" know from friction bearing days. I can not emphasize enough how important your personal input is, to Kadee and getting these produced. I am providing you with a link to their site, their address, email and a phone number to call. Kadee Quality Products Co. 673 Avenue C White City, OR 97503-1078 Attention Sam Clark Call: after 1pm PST Mon-Thu. 541-826-3883 ask for Sam Clark Web site: http://www.kadee.com/ Email: Go to their web site and click on e-mail LETTER / EMAIL to Kadee (use, adapt or create your own) ---------------------------------------------------------- To: Kadee Quality Products Co. 673 Avenue C White City, OR 97503-1078 Attn: Sam Clark Re: Request for the production of an accurate S-Scale, shelf/non-overide coupler, Metal, prefered, with suitable draft gear box. Date: 09-03-08 Dear People at Kadee Quality Products Co, S-Scale model railroading enthusiasts around the country and world, are in dire need of a 1:64 proportioned S-Scale shelf/non-overide style coupler. This would be similar to your HO #118 and #119 couplers, except proportioned to 1:64" S-Scale. There is nothing available through any other source. We have been loyal and enthusiastic supporters of Kadee products for four decades, We have utilized/adapted Kadee #5's, and more recently #802's for almost all of S-scale cars and locomotives, numbering in the 10's of thousands world wide. S-Scale is a rapidly expanding market, featuring top quality locomotives and rolling stock, that lead the way in model railroading. With thousands of new cars and locomotives being produced every year. More and more modelers (some of which are very experienced and demanding) are switching over to S-Scale from other scales. In addition S is supported by increasing number of quality S manufacturers and importers. We also have a strong national organization the NASG, National Association of S Gaugers. Please strongly consider producing a much needed item, the S-scale, 1:64 proportioned shelf/non-overide style coupler. Most gratefully, ----------------------------your signature, name,email contact, phone # (as you please to do) ---------------------------------------------------------- Please consider this, I have made it very easy for you, manufactures, importers, distributors, suppliers, hobby shops, NASG, NMRA, collectors, arm chair modelers, and anyone that I forgot, please get a communication off to Kadee. I hope this will provide the impetus to get it done. Most S gaugingly yours, Dr. K. loeb (Peter), NASG member rr4u@... <mailto:rr4u%40charter.net> http://www.trains-4-u.blogspot.com This is for you and me and all of us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49972	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Eva

http://cgi.ebay.com/30-NAKED-WOMEN-Marx-Toy-Company-4-COLORS_W0QQitemZ380060037941QQihZ025QQcategoryZ2635QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I have found on Ebay the Eva or Evita that I need for Hugo and Che, as they are working very hard putting in roadway, parking lots, guard rails for the roads and RR crossing signals. But I found them THIRTY naked Marx women. Enough for both and more. WHY IN THE WORLD DID MARX MAKE THESE?! LOL Not for kids to play with!? I am looking forward to having a flock of cows, cats, and naked women on the layout soon. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49973	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] model train horror movie

I do not know if you all can handle this youtube. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: vmsyspgmr To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [toytrains] model train horror movie This was posted on another yahoo group. I thought it may be of interest to some of you. Caution - it is very graphic. http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=rC8VzVmNPOI Steve Gentry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49974	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: model train horror movie

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=rC8VzVmNPOI Oh my gosh! Funny, but I have to go back to work and can't watch the whole thing. I can't wait till I get off tonight to watch the rest!! Rick. On Sep 3, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > I do not know if you all can handle this youtube. > > Mike > This was posted on another yahoo group. I thought it may be of > interest to some of you. Caution - it is very graphic. > http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=rC8VzVmNPOI > Steve Gentry > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49975	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Roadbed material

This is one of the best things about this list, you ask a question and the many experianced model railroaders have ready answers! Can you imagine how long it would take to get all these responces in the days before the internet? As you can see, sound problems with toy/model trains has been an issue for experimentation for a long time. It has been a subject of many magazine articles over the years. Of course it's worse with the larger scales than with HO,N,or Z scales. As far as using "kitty litter" or "oil dry", there are a couple of things to consider. Understand that this is an absorbent material to start with, made of a clay/paper pulp base. It will readily suck up any moisture such as white glue and water mix. I generally put down straight white glue and after the ballast sets, come back with a thinned mix. Another way to do it is use water base paint to put it down. The "scale" guys might find the size of the litter too large, but overall it's not bad. "Oil dry" is the stuff garages use to sop up spills while working on vehicles, or at NASCAR races to clean up the track after blown engines or wrecks. The stuff is usually a tan/gray color. It comes in BIG bags, presenting you with a lifetime supply. However, some auto supply outfits now sell it in five pound bags. "Kitty litter" comes in more managable bags, and while it is more expensive, you don't have 40 pounds of it left over. However, this product is often colored in greens or blues (deodorizer) so care must be taken here. There is another product sold as "vomit control" that seems to have a finer grain. It is availible only in very small, expensive bags, and has a very strong deodorizer in it. These moisture absorbents can be a bit dusty when handled straight from the bag, especially oil dry. And when you go to glue down the kitty litter you'll release the wonderful aroma of whatever deodorizer is blended in, although this gets strong if you do too much kitty ballasting at a time. It is best used on permanent layouts. I don't use it on my display layouts as they are portable and I have enough problems with them shedding ground foam "grass" while being carried or stored on edge. Kitty litter would just add to that problem, and I have enough problems with Mrs. Stumpy now! Stumpy Stone...I been at this train stuff too long...in East Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49976	From: bud9351	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: S Helper Boraxo hopper

Hi, I'm trying to contact the gentleman who wanted to buy the Boraxo covered hopper from the Hoquat table at the NASG convention in Lowell. I didn't get his name but I have since located another Boraxo car if you're interested and on this list. Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49977	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Model Train Horror Movie

Oh, the humanity!!! Sick! Disgusting! Degenerative! Yes, it would take youTube to present such a horror! I can't believe anyone could lower themselves to the point that they could have so much fun! While model trains WERE harmed in the making of this video, at least no real, collectable trains were harmed...leave that to me...Hahahahaha (-: Stumpy Stone...if you're taking this seriously, you need a new hobby...from my hidden hillside laboratory in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49978	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Eva

Let me get this straight... you're gonna put these 1/32 scale women on your layout?!? What are you modeling... the AMAZON? 1/32 scale (Amazon) women on a 1/64 scale layout... interesting... John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>; "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>; "S Trains >" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>; "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Eva > http://cgi.ebay.com/30-NAKED-WOMEN-Marx-Toy-Company-4-COLORS_W0QQitemZ380060037941QQihZ025QQcategoryZ2635QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > I have found on Ebay the Eva or Evita that I need for Hugo and Che, as they are working very hard putting in roadway, parking lots, guard rails for the roads and RR crossing signals. > > But I found them THIRTY naked Marx women. Enough for both and more. > > WHY IN THE WORLD DID MARX MAKE THESE?! LOL > > Not for kids to play with!? > > I am looking forward to having a flock of cows, cats, and naked women on the layout soon. > > Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49979	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: New Poll

Hi Ed: You are probably right. Unfortunately, 8 pm EST is 2 am my time (GMT+1h). Definitely not a great time but not impossible. Since I am probably the only person in Norway who is (was) on chat (or possibly the only person in Norway in S), I really can't complain too much, just bite the bullet once in a blue moon and stay up until 2 am. Well, now that you have heard my tale of woe, hope all is well with everybody on chat and on s-trains - will get on chat again one of these days! regards Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Ed wrote: > > To those who might wonder what ever happened to ironhorse_ on the chat. > > For those of you in the Eastern half time zones, 8 pm is an ideal time, > but for those of us on the West coast time zones, it is not. In many cases > we have not had dinner. You East Coast people are fat and happy. So happy > and relaxed that you have to fight the computer keyboard trying to get the > fingers to hit the right keys while typing. Especially hard when you have > had your wine and beer with dinner and maybe an after dinner drink or > 2. LOL > During the summer sunlight hours I don't plan on sitting in a room at a > computer "burning daylight" as John Wayne once said. Winter is a different > scenario. So when daylight savings time ceases and the daylight hours are > shorter, I will be on earlier. Even when I have come in only 2 hrs > later the > chat is all but closed up. The party is over. Time to turn out the > lights. I > have checked in 3 times during the 5pm EDT daylight hours and maybe 2 or 3 > were on chat and nothing being said. There was a time when chat went to > midnight out here on the West Coast time zones, but no more. We all have > other things we want to do during the summer hours. > > With the numbers stated it looks like we should just leave the chat as > it is and wait for the winter season for more action. As for another > day or > time, with so few responding, it would not be worth it. When we have done > Holiday chats, only a few ever checked in. If you want another day and > time > take ownership of it by posting the information and being there > yourself for > all the days and hours you are asking others to be there. I think you will > become tired of being sitting there in front of your computer after awhile > with little response. This is not a challenge, mind you, just experience > talking. Don't forget Friday night end of week and going out to dinner and > socializing. Some clubs have there meetings on Friday night so they stay > later and run trains without having to get up and go to work the next > morning. > > An observation on past Sunday Night chats: > > * With so few on chat, side chats should not be done. It stops the > flow many times and in most cases it is obvious. People leave. I have done > so myself in the past as well as others. > * Respond to someone who posts. Do not leave that individual on the > outside. I have seen that they leave when reading the chat later. Some > with > a frustrating comment. > * With the side chats you are not paying attention to the main chat > board. > * When someone posts a question and no one answers, suggest that they > post the question on the list to all members. Not all on the chat have all > the answers. > * When someone asks a question on chat they are looking for an > immediate answer. That is why they came on chat that night. Lets not chase > them away. > * The chat is mostly social and that is great. We get to know each > other, but sometimes we do have technical questions being asked. > > Ed Eckert > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf > Of John > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:27 AM > To: S-group > Subject: [S-Trains] New Poll > > Hi All > > Ever since I have been a member of the group the chat meetings have always > been on Sunday evenings > I was just wondering what the group thought about changing the day of the > chat. I have created > a poll to see what you think with the idea of getting more people to > attend > the chats. > > http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/polls > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/polls>> > yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/polls > > Thank you for your input > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49980	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed response (again)

I am away from the computer until Sept. 11. I will answer you then. Steve In a message dated 09/03/2008 6:30:21 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, davidwin@... writes: Hi Steve, I'm definitely interested. If you have those photos handy, then please send them along. Thanks, Dave _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote: > > > About 3-4 years ago I responded to this question of a inexpensive roadbed > that would quiet the noise. Those of you that bought our video saw it in > action > as we ran a train from non-insulated to insulated with the sound up high. > Home Depot type stores sell a product that is used to insulate between the > foundation and the sill of a house. It is 1/4 inch thick and is baffled > on one > side (ala corrugated cardboard) it is made of a foam type material and > is very > easy to shape to any curve. We use a pair if scissors. Both Sam and my > layouts > are insulated with this product. It comes in 40 ft rolls and is 7 inches > wide. You can get many pieces per foot from it. The only drawback is > that it is > BLUE, and you either need to paint it before gluing the track down or > ballast > it after. In any case there isn't anything as functional that is less > expensive out there that we have ever found. If my memory serves me it > was less > than $5 a roll. We use "Liquid nails" to glue it down and again to glue the > track to it. I will supply photos to anyone that is interested. > Regards > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49981	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Eva

Mike-   I think I have seen these and they are officially "bathing beauties" and came in a kit with paint so you could paint the swim suits and make it obvious they weren't naked. Be interesting to look when you get them to see if there are swim suits represented in the molds.   Bill Drake --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Eva To: "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 10:09 PM http://cgi.ebay com/30-NAKED- WOMEN-Marx- Toy-Company- 4-COLORS_ W0QQitemZ3800600 37941QQihZ025QQc ategoryZ2635QQss PageNameZWDVWQQr dZ1QQcmdZViewIte m I have found on Ebay the Eva or Evita that I need for Hugo and Che, as they are working very hard putting in roadway, parking lots, guard rails for the roads and RR crossing signals. But I found them THIRTY naked Marx women. Enough for both and more. WHY IN THE WORLD DID MARX MAKE THESE?! LOL Not for kids to play with!? I am looking forward to having a flock of cows, cats, and naked women on the layout soon. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49982	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Eva

I didn't know Karl Marx made toys. Mike In a message dated 9/3/2008 7:39:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: _http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebhttp://cgi.http://cgi.ehttp://cghttp://cgi.ebay. http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.ebay.h_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/30-NAKED-WOMEN-Marx-Toy-Company-4-COLORS_W0QQitemZ380060037941QQihZ0 25QQcategoryZ2635QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) I have found on Ebay the Eva or Evita that I need for Hugo and Che, as they are working very hard putting in roadway, parking lots, guard rails for the roads and RR crossing signals. But I found them THIRTY naked Marx women. Enough for both and more. WHY IN THE WORLD DID MARX MAKE THESE?! LOL Not for kids to play with!? I am looking forward to having a flock of cows, cats, and naked women on the layout soon. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49983	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Eva

Dear Mike: What do you do with models of naked women? Paint them! I suggest bathing suits made of thin paint which does not hide anything. One piece, bikini, monokini, and do not forget the itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dot bikini. As a serious follow up, I am actively looking for both men and children that can be painted as swimmers for my 2008 beach scene. Anyone have any suggestions? Thorin 1. Eva Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Date: Wed Sep 3, 2008 7:39 pm ((PDT)) http://cgi.ebay.com/30-NAKED-WOMEN-Marx-Toy-Company-4-COLORS_W0QQitemZ38 0060037941QQihZ025QQcategoryZ2635QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I have found on Ebay the Eva or Evita that I need for Hugo and Che, as they are working very hard putting in roadway, parking lots, guard rails for the roads and RR crossing signals. But I found them THIRTY naked Marx women. Enough for both and more. WHY IN THE WORLD DID MARX MAKE THESE?! LOL Not for kids to play with!? I am looking forward to having a flock of cows, cats, and naked women on the layout soon. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49984	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Eva

Hi Mike, If you win these "ladies" I could use the orange and blue ones on the Florida Gators section of my layout! Go Gators! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/30-NAKED-WOMEN-Marx-Toy-Company-4- COLORS_W0QQitemZ380060037941QQihZ025QQcategoryZ2635QQssPageNameZWDVWQ QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > I have found on Ebay the Eva or Evita that I need for Hugo and Che, as they are working very hard putting in roadway, parking lots, guard rails for the roads and RR crossing signals. > > But I found them THIRTY naked Marx women. Enough for both and more. > > WHY IN THE WORLD DID MARX MAKE THESE?! LOL > > Not for kids to play with!? > > I am looking forward to having a flock of cows, cats, and naked women on the layout soon. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49985	From: G C	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Eva

They must have come to close to the Atomic Power Plant on Mike's layout. Coming soon to your local movie - "the attack of the giant Marx women".   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49986	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Marx Women

No, I am not putting a bid in for these. LOL Although it would be funny and silly to have something like that on a layout, 30 nude women. Maybe I could have them all in the baseball stands to be baseball Annie's. The description says also "never played with". Hmm, that could be taken many ways. And how would you play with them. Find 30 naked men to do .......... Or maybe just one man might be enough. That might wear him out. LOL Strange. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49987	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: s- in Norway

What is available in Norway? or Europe for that matter in S scale? --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Poll To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 3:18 AM Hi Ed: You are probably right. Unfortunately, 8 pm EST is 2 am my time (GMT+1h). Definitely not a great time but not impossible. Since I am probably the only person in Norway who is (was) on chat (or possibly the only person in Norway in S), I really can't complain too much, just bite the bullet once in a blue moon and stay up until 2 am. Well, now that you have heard my tale of woe, hope all is well with everybody on chat and on s-trains - will get on chat again one of these days! regards Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Ed wrote: > > To those who might wonder what ever happened to ironhorse_ on the chat. > > For those of you in the Eastern half time zones, 8 pm is an ideal time, > but for those of us on the West coast time zones, it is not. In many cases > we have not had dinner. You East Coast people are fat and happy. So happy > and relaxed that you have to fight the computer keyboard trying to get the > fingers to hit the right keys while typing. Especially hard when you have > had your wine and beer with dinner and maybe an after dinner drink or > 2. LOL > During the summer sunlight hours I don't plan on sitting in a room at a > computer "burning daylight" as John Wayne once said. Winter is a different > scenario. So when daylight savings time ceases and the daylight hours are > shorter, I will be on earlier. Even when I have come in only 2 hrs > later the > chat is all but closed up. The party is over. Time to turn out the > lights. I > have checked in 3 times during the 5pm EDT daylight hours and maybe 2 or 3 > were on chat and nothing being said. There was a time when chat went to > midnight out here on the West Coast time zones, but no more. We all have > other things we want to do during the summer hours. > > With the numbers stated it looks like we should just leave the chat as > it is and wait for the winter season for more action. As for another > day or > time, with so few responding, it would not be worth it. When we have done > Holiday chats, only a few ever checked in. If you want another day and > time > take ownership of it by posting the information and being there > yourself for > all the days and hours you are asking others to be there. I think you will > become tired of being sitting there in front of your computer after awhile > with little response. This is not a challenge, mind you, just experience > talking. Don't forget Friday night end of week and going out to dinner and > socializing. Some clubs have there meetings on Friday night so they stay > later and run trains without having to get up and go to work the next > morning. > > An observation on past Sunday Night chats: > > * With so few on chat, side chats should not be done. It stops the > flow many times and in most cases it is obvious. People leave. I have done > so myself in the past as well as others. > * Respond to someone who posts. Do not leave that individual on the > outside. I have seen that they leave when reading the chat later. Some > with > a frustrating comment. > * With the side chats you are not paying attention to the main chat > board. > * When someone posts a question and no one answers, suggest that they > post the question on the list to all members. Not all on the chat have all > the answers. > * When someone asks a question on chat they are looking for an > immediate answer. That is why they came on chat that night. Lets not chase > them away. > * The chat is mostly social and that is great. We get to know each > other, but sometimes we do have technical questions being asked. > > Ed Eckert > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com>] > On Behalf > Of John > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:27 AM > To: S-group > Subject: [S-Trains] New Poll > > Hi All > > Ever since I have been a member of the group the chat meetings have always > been on Sunday evenings > I was just wondering what the group thought about changing the day of the > chat. I have created > a poll to see what you think with the idea of getting more people to > attend > the chats. > > http://groups. <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ polls > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ polls>> > yahoo.com/group/ S-Trains/ polls > > Thank you for your input > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49988	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...

I have not been able to find a 1954 Chevy, 53 yes, 55yes, 56 yes and 1957 of course. in any scale. first car I drove, it was our family's car. No big deal have not seen any Harley Davidson 45 either. ____________________________________________________________ Stuck in a dead end job?? Click to start living your dreams by earning an online degree. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNfaEAecn4KIPQYy3cueMzWJwL6GzzmClOuqwmsMqYmOyLJ/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49989	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Roadbed response (again)

Bill, I don't know if it is even sold that far south, but the product Steve is talking about is sold here in Virginia. The Owens Corning Brand name is FoamsealR. The product is used between the block foundation and the mud sill of a home. Just put some in on a garage we're building. It's a requirement here. Look it up on the Owens Corning website and you might get some more information. The color of this is pink. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49990	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: 630 caboose wiring

I really never had a problem with ( maybe I should knock on wood now) any caboose or even the passengers cars with the lighting. What is it when the Caboose is upside down it works and otherwise it don't? as the wireing is not that complecated. I was thinking of putting lights on the ceiling as I had installed in HO but it always was a pickup of the axels. Let me know about the LED and supercapacitor setup works. What size cap anmd LED? ____________________________________________________________ Internet Security Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mEWr0Wz0tbujbH5bOQxiu9sKZugDEkubGdaKBbJAvHYVYkb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49991	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...

I have had the same luck looking for a Ford 2001 f-150 crew cab and a 2000 Trans-am w/ram air in 1:64 or 1:43-1:50, also have a time finding "stock" versions of old cars as a lot are hot roded out. --- On Thu, 9/4/08, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: > From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Vehicles... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 8:45 PM > I have not been able to find a 1954 Chevy, 53 yes, 55yes, 56 > yes > > and 1957 of course. in any scale. first car I drove, it > was our > > family's car. No big deal have not seen any Harley > Davidson 45 > > either. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Stuck in a dead end job?? Click to start living your dreams > by earning an online degree. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNfaEAecn4KIPQYy3cueMzWJwL6GzzmClOuqwmsMqYmOyLJ/ > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49992	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: 630 caboose wiring

I usually find that the "flickering" light and/or upside-down phenomenon is due to poor grounding from the truck to the metal chassis. It's usually a truck rivet that is too loose or oil build-up and accumulated dirt between the top of the truck and the bottom of the chassis. One trick I've used is to loop a single loop of bare copper wire in between the truck and chassis and twist it tight to the rivet. This is basically a conducting spacer that tightens the rivet. I use very fine copper wire intended for craft use in making jewelry. It's not a sophisticated fix, but it worked for me on one passenger car and a caboose. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> > I really never had a problem with ( maybe I should knock on wood now) > any caboose or even the passengers cars with the lighting. > What is it when the Caboose is upside down it works and otherwise it don't? as > the wireing is not that complecated. > > I was thinking of putting lights on the ceiling as I had installed in HO but it > always was a pickup of the axels. > > Let me know about the LED and supercapacitor setup works. What size cap anmd > LED? > > ____________________________________________________________ > Internet Security Software - Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mEWr0Wz0tbujbH5bOQxiu9sKZugDE > kubGdaKBbJAvHYVYkb/ > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49993	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...

To the group, I have had some luck stopping at Dollar General stores finding cars. Coincidentally, I went into one today and found '65 Austin Mini Van, a '68 Citroen, and a '70 Volkswagon Bus. They are all Matchbox, are stock and got them for $1.00 apiece. I do not know how wide spread Dollar General stores are nationwide, but where I am in Western North Carolina they are very common. Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: weidner@...: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:21:07 -0700Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Vehicles... I have had the same luck looking for a Ford 2001 f-150 crew cab and a 2000 Trans-am w/ram air in 1:64 or 1:43-1:50, also have a time finding "stock" versions of old cars as a lot are hot roded out.--- On Thu, 9/4/08, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote:> From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...>> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Vehicles...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 8:45 PM> I have not been able to find a 1954 Chevy, 53 yes, 55yes, 56> yes> > and 1957 of course. in any scale. first car I drove, it> was our> > family's car. No big deal have not seen any Harley> Davidson 45> > either.> > __________________________________________________________> Stuck in a dead end job?? Click to start living your dreams> by earning an online degree.> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNfaEAecn4KIPQYy3cueMzWJwL6GzzmClOuqwmsMqYmOyLJ/> > ------------------------------------> > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links> > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49994	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Silly Season

----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... I didn't know Karl Marx made toys. Mike > > > > > > > > > No, no, no. You don't know the expression, "Je suis Marxist, tendence Groucho"? Substitute Louis for Groucho. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49995	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: vehicles

Yep, non-hot rodded vehicles are tough to find sometimes. While more stock vehicles are starting to appear, many of the 1/64 stuff is so out of proportion that they are ridiculous. As an old hot rodder and oval track racer, may I suggest that you "de- rod" the vehicles? Those wide tires are really ugly and out of proportion, so you can take them off the axles, grind them thinner from the back, and glue them back on, or paint the part that you want to see gray and leave the rest black. (Notice the tires on your real car look gray unless they are brand new.) To cover unsightly "mag wheels" make cardstock disc "wheel covers" painted silver and glued on. Hot rodders "chopped tops" which is cutting the roof posts and lowering the top. To make these usable for a "stock" version, you can cut the roof off, leaving the windshield frame making a convertible or roadster. Or you can cut the top off, add roof posts made of small bits of plastic or wood, and "raise the roof" back to its original height. Many of the 1920/30s cars had the side panels of the hood removed for "headers", wild exhaust pipes. Remove the headers and make side panels from thin plastic or cardstock. Custom car builders often removed bumpers, while hot rodders removed the fenders on 1920/30s cars. Replacements can be made from card, balsa, or plastic. And of course those wild paint jobs "ain't makin' it," so you'll need to repaint your recreations. Until after WWII, most cars were painted darker greens, browns, blues, reds, and black just like trains. 1920/30s cars sometimes had the fenders a different color from the body. Medium blue body and dark blue fenders, or the fenders might be black for instance. After the War, 2 tone paint in brighter colors became popular with the roof white or a light color. Modifying or de-rodding S scale cars can become a hobby all to itself! You need to find out what the original looked like and then attack with some imagination, tools, and a paint brush. Stumpy Stone...yeah, I was a Mad Butcher of cars too in my youth...in Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49996	From: Trains	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...

Hey Bill...I remember when freight cars in a Katy yard in Houston derailed standing still....they just pushed the rail over sitting on the track.....so what byou had IS prototypical...HA, HA, Ha... S Gaugingly Yours Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49997	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Vehicles...

We have several '54 Chevy BelAirs on our website VEHICLES listing. 1:64 scale. <<<<I have not been able to find a 1954 Chevy>>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49998	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Silly Season

No Tom, I don't. Please enlighten.. What do it mean? Mike In a message dated 9/4/2008 9:38:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, t.hawley@... writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) I didn't know Karl Marx made toys. Mike > > > > > > > > > No, no, no. You don't know the expression, "Je suis Marxist, tendence Groucho"? Substitute Louis for Groucho. Tom Hawley **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 49999	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: s- in Norway

Hi all: My impression after living in Norway for 9 years is that I am the only S-trains (high rail/AF) person here. About 7 years ago, I had a brief e-mail correspondence with a person who lived about 50 km away who made his own brass etched stuff such as phone booths, etc. in S, but no cars, engines, etc. as far as I know), but that contact disappeared after 4-5 exchanges. I may try to start it again. So, I guess it is a lonely place for S gaugers (there are quite a few HO'ers, some G'ers, and there is a partially completed O gauge layout in one of the science museums (along with an HO layout). Hobby stores carry mostly HO and G, along with model planes, cars, etc. I can only assume that this is true over most of Europe, although there are pockets of S (Great Britain for one). Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) mike rosz wrote: > > What is available in Norway? or Europe for that matter in S scale? > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@... > <mailto:velapoldi%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@... <mailto:velapoldi%40gmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Poll > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 3:18 AM > > Hi Ed: > You are probably right. Unfortunately, 8 pm EST is 2 am my time > (GMT+1h). Definitely not a great time but not impossible. Since I am > probably the only person in Norway who is (was) on chat (or possibly the > only person in Norway in S), I really can't complain too much, just bite > the bullet once in a blue moon and stay up until 2 am. Well, now that > you have heard my tale of woe, hope all is well with everybody on chat > and on s-trains - will get on chat again one of these days! > regards > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > Ed wrote: > > > > To those who might wonder what ever happened to ironhorse_ on the chat. > > > > For those of you in the Eastern half time zones, 8 pm is an ideal time, > > but for those of us on the West coast time zones, it is not. In many > cases > > we have not had dinner. You East Coast people are fat and happy. So > happy > > and relaxed that you have to fight the computer keyboard trying to > get the > > fingers to hit the right keys while typing. Especially hard when you > have > > had your wine and beer with dinner and maybe an after dinner drink or > > 2. LOL > > During the summer sunlight hours I don't plan on sitting in a room at a > > computer "burning daylight" as John Wayne once said. Winter is a > different > > scenario. So when daylight savings time ceases and the daylight > hours are > > shorter, I will be on earlier. Even when I have come in only 2 hrs > > later the > > chat is all but closed up. The party is over. Time to turn out the > > lights. I > > have checked in 3 times during the 5pm EDT daylight hours and maybe > 2 or 3 > > were on chat and nothing being said. There was a time when chat went to > > midnight out here on the West Coast time zones, but no more. We all have > > other things we want to do during the summer hours. > > > > With the numbers stated it looks like we should just leave the chat as > > it is and wait for the winter season for more action. As for another > > day or > > time, with so few responding, it would not be worth it. When we have > done > > Holiday chats, only a few ever checked in. If you want another day and > > time > > take ownership of it by posting the information and being there > > yourself for > > all the days and hours you are asking others to be there. I think > you will > > become tired of being sitting there in front of your computer after > awhile > > with little response. This is not a challenge, mind you, just experience > > talking. Don't forget Friday night end of week and going out to > dinner and > > socializing. Some clubs have there meetings on Friday night so they stay > > later and run trains without having to get up and go to work the next > > morning. > > > > An observation on past Sunday Night chats: > > > > * With so few on chat, side chats should not be done. It stops the > > flow many times and in most cases it is obvious. People leave. I > have done > > so myself in the past as well as others. > > * Respond to someone who posts. Do not leave that individual on the > > outside. I have seen that they leave when reading the chat later. Some > > with > > a frustrating comment. > > * With the side chats you are not paying attention to the main chat > > board. > > * When someone posts a question and no one answers, suggest that they > > post the question on the list to all members. Not all on the chat > have all > > the answers. > > * When someone asks a question on chat they are looking for an > > immediate answer. That is why they came on chat that night. Lets not > chase > > them away. > > * The chat is mostly social and that is great. We get to know each > > other, but sometimes we do have technical questions being asked. > > > > Ed Eckert > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. > com>] > > On Behalf > > Of John > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:27 AM > > To: S-group > > Subject: [S-Trains] New Poll > > > > Hi All > > > > Ever since I have been a member of the group the chat meetings have > always > > been on Sunday evenings > > I was just wondering what the group thought about changing the day > of the > > chat. I have created > > a poll to see what you think with the idea of getting more people to > > attend > > the chats. > > > > http://groups. <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ polls > > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ polls>> > > yahoo.com/group/ S-Trains/ polls > > > > Thank you for your input > > > > John > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50000	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: s- in Norway

Rance, In your travels in Europe and visits to hobby Shoppe's, are there any American roadnames in these Shoppe's overall in any scale or gauge. I have no idea what road names might be in a European real RR line. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] s- in Norway Hi all: My impression after living in Norway for 9 years is that I am the only S-trains (high rail/AF) person here. About 7 years ago, I had a brief e-mail correspondence with a person who lived about 50 km away who made his own brass etched stuff such as phone booths, etc. in S, but no cars, engines, etc. as far as I know), but that contact disappeared after 4-5 exchanges. I may try to start it again. So, I guess it is a lonely place for S gaugers (there are quite a few HO'ers, some G'ers, and there is a partially completed O gauge layout in one of the science museums (along with an HO layout). Hobby stores carry mostly HO and G, along with model planes, cars, etc. I can only assume that this is true over most of Europe, although there are pockets of S (Great Britain for one). Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) mike rosz wrote: > > What is available in Norway? or Europe for that matter in S scale? > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@... > <mailto:velapoldi%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@... <mailto:velapoldi%40gmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Poll > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 3:18 AM > > Hi Ed: > You are probably right. Unfortunately, 8 pm EST is 2 am my time > (GMT+1h). Definitely not a great time but not impossible. Since I am > probably the only person in Norway who is (was) on chat (or possibly the > only person in Norway in S), I really can't complain too much, just bite > the bullet once in a blue moon and stay up until 2 am. Well, now that > you have heard my tale of woe, hope all is well with everybody on chat > and on s-trains - will get on chat again one of these days! > regards > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > Ed wrote: > > > > To those who might wonder what ever happened to ironhorse_ on the chat. > > > > For those of you in the Eastern half time zones, 8 pm is an ideal time, > > but for those of us on the West coast time zones, it is not. In many > cases > > we have not had dinner. You East Coast people are fat and happy. So > happy > > and relaxed that you have to fight the computer keyboard trying to > get the > > fingers to hit the right keys while typing. Especially hard when you > have > > had your wine and beer with dinner and maybe an after dinner drink or > > 2. LOL > > During the summer sunlight hours I don't plan on sitting in a room at a > > computer "burning daylight" as John Wayne once said. Winter is a > different > > scenario. So when daylight savings time ceases and the daylight > hours are > > shorter, I will be on earlier. Even when I have come in only 2 hrs > > later the > > chat is all but closed up. The party is over. Time to turn out the > > lights. I > > have checked in 3 times during the 5pm EDT daylight hours and maybe > 2 or 3 > > were on chat and nothing being said. There was a time when chat went to > > midnight out here on the West Coast time zones, but no more. We all have > > other things we want to do during the summer hours. > > > > With the numbers stated it looks like we should just leave the chat as > > it is and wait for the winter season for more action. As for another > > day or > > time, with so few responding, it would not be worth it. When we have > done > > Holiday chats, only a few ever checked in. If you want another day and > > time > > take ownership of it by posting the information and being there > > yourself for > > all the days and hours you are asking others to be there. I think > you will > > become tired of being sitting there in front of your computer after > awhile > > with little response. This is not a challenge, mind you, just experience > > talking. Don't forget Friday night end of week and going out to > dinner and > > socializing. Some clubs have there meetings on Friday night so they stay > > later and run trains without having to get up and go to work the next > > morning. > > > > An observation on past Sunday Night chats: > > > > * With so few on chat, side chats should not be done. It stops the > > flow many times and in most cases it is obvious. People leave. I > have done > > so myself in the past as well as others. > > * Respond to someone who posts. Do not leave that individual on the > > outside. I have seen that they leave when reading the chat later. Some > > with > > a frustrating comment. > > * With the side chats you are not paying attention to the main chat > > board. > > * When someone posts a question and no one answers, suggest that they > > post the question on the list to all members. Not all on the chat > have all > > the answers. > > * When someone asks a question on chat they are looking for an > > immediate answer. That is why they came on chat that night. Lets not > chase > > them away. > > * The chat is mostly social and that is great. We get to know each > > other, but sometimes we do have technical questions being asked. > > > > Ed Eckert > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> > > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. > com>] > > On Behalf > > Of John > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:27 AM > > To: S-group > > Subject: [S-Trains] New Poll > > > > Hi All > > > > Ever since I have been a member of the group the chat meetings have > always > > been on Sunday evenings > > I was just wondering what the group thought about changing the day > of the > > chat. I have created > > a poll to see what you think with the idea of getting more people to > > attend > > the chats. > > > > http://groups. <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ polls > > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ polls>> > > yahoo.com/group/ S-Trains/ polls > > > > Thank you for your input > > > > John > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50001	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Silly Season

Mike, I did a google search and it seems to have many meanings, but I believe this one is intended for a Marx Brothers movie, Night at the Opera, perhaps. Mike Marmer GO DUCKS OR BEAVERS in Oregon.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50002	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Silly Season

Mike said he didn't know Karl Marx made trains. My statement, which I first saw in French, so I remember it that way, is based on the fact that there have been more people with the last name Marx than just Karl. It says "I'm a Marxist, of the Groucho tendency" (as opposed to Karl). The toy train man was Louis Marx. And FWIW, there's a Rolland Marx right now, somewhere in Schleswig-Holstein, doing very interesting S scale model RR work. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50003	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Silly Season

To those with no understanding of this saying the original was a piece of graffiti found in Paris in the late 1960's when the flower power movement was at its height and existing formal political systems were being challenged - in this case the rigid communist system and teachings of Marx. It literally means I am Marxist - tendency Groucho - in other words my philosophy is that espoused in the patter of comedian Groucho Marx. It was meant to trivialize the extreme left wing of the Socialist movement by saying that the mindless patter of a comedian was more relevant. The interesting thing is that Groucho actually made more astute comments on life, disguised as comedy, than the majority of US politicians or intellectuals at the time. Anyway the saying has been amusingly turned to I am Marxist - tendency Louis Marx and his philosophy of fun with his toys. Alistair. _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hawley Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:53 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Silly Season ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> com I didn't know Karl Marx made toys. Mike > > > > > > > > > No, no, no. You don't know the expression, "Je suis Marxist, tendence Groucho"? Substitute Louis for Groucho. Tom Hawley No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1652 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:54 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50004	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Silly Season

it's very clear now.... Mike In a message dated 9/5/2008 2:51:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alizoo@... writes: To those with no understanding of this saying the original was a piece of graffiti found in Paris in the late 1960's when the flower power movement was at its height and existing formal political systems were being challenged - in this case the rigid communist system and teachings of Marx. It literally means I am Marxist - tendency Groucho - in other words my philosophy is that espoused in the patter of comedian Groucho Marx. It was meant to trivialize the extreme left wing of the Socialist movement by saying that the mindless patter of a comedian was more relevant. The interesting thing is that Groucho actually made more astute comments on life, disguised as comedy, than the majority of US politicians or intellectuals at the time. Anyway the saying has been amusingly turned to I am Marxist - tendency Louis Marx and his philosophy of fun with his toys. Alistair. _____ From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Tom Hawley Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:53 AM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [S-Trains] Silly Season ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@aol. <mailto:anormal1%mailto:an> com I didn't know Karl Marx made toys. Mike > > > > > > > > > No, no, no. You don't know the expression, "Je suis Marxist, tendence Groucho"? Substitute Louis for Groucho. Tom Hawley No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - _http://www.avg.htt_ (http://www.avg.com/) Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1652 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:54 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50005	From: Trains	Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: To: S lS list S-Scale and S-Trains moderatorists S-Scale and S-Tr

To s-lists administartors / moderators I have written a number of emails (some important to S community-some not so much) to both groups which have not been downloaded to the S-Scale yahoogroups site, or to the S-Trains yahoogroups site - or they have not appeared on my computer at home on the yahoo sites that they were posted to! Is there some reason for this?, are moderators blocking these emails to the groups? some form of censorship? Technical problems? on either end?...would like to know, so I do not waste my time trying to help S community and to correct any problem, if I or anyone else can. If it's a matter of blocking/censorship let me know so I can stop trying to get through. NOTE: not a blame issue or mad at anyone...just trying to figure out what's going on Thanks, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) rr4u@... for off-list communication [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50006	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Something completely different...

For those of you who might be interested, my On30 "Marabunta Island" mini layout is featured in the Oct/Nov. issue of O Gauge Railroading. It's my depiction of a typically run down Central American island operation, complete with weeds growing in the track. Something different than the usual modular layouts and rivet counter displays at area shows. It was fun to build and display and was requested to make another round of train show appearances last year. I have kicked around the idea of doing something similar in S gauge. Stumpy Stone...from Marabunta Island...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50007	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Something completely different...

Yea stumpy, Maybe from Wheeling Island, but not Marabunta! Lou T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Something completely different... For those of you who might be interested, my On30 "Marabunta Island" mini layout is featured in the Oct/Nov. issue of O Gauge Railroading. It's my depiction of a typically run down Central American island operation, complete with weeds growing in the track. Something different than the usual modular layouts and rivet counter displays at area shows. It was fun to build and display and was requested to make another round of train show appearances last year. I have kicked around the idea of doing something similar in S gauge. Stumpy Stone...from Marabunta Island... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50008	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: To: S lS list S-Scale and S-Trains moderatorists S-Scale and S-T

Peter, I read all posts to S-Trains, everday, and I have seen quite a few from you over the past few weeks. I cannot respond to the ones you say have not been posted. Quite a few have and I have read them. I trust the integrity of this group and it's moderators, and I don't believe that there may have been an effort to not post your comments. There may be a techinal reason that they are not going thru and I am again confident that our moderators would help in determining, if that is the case. Keep posting and I will keep reading. Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.comFrom: rr4u@...: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:03:36 -0700Subject: [S-Trains] To: S lS list S-Scale and S-Trains moderatorists S-Scale and S-Trains moderator(s) To s-lists administartors / moderatorsI have written a number of emails (some important to S community-some not so much) to both groups which have not been downloaded to the S-Scale yahoogroups site, or to the S-Trains yahoogroups site - or they have not appeared on my computer at home on the yahoo sites that they were posted to!Is there some reason for this?, are moderators blocking these emails to the groups? some form of censorship? Technical problems? on either end?...would like to know, so I do not waste my time trying to help S community and to correct any problem, if I or anyone else can. If it's a matter of blocking/censorship let me know so I can stop trying to get through.NOTE: not a blame issue or mad at anyone...just trying to figure out what's going onThanks,Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) rr4u@... for off-list communication[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together�at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50009	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: You want truck and autos

Go to...  http://www.fairfieldmint.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50010	From: Trains	Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: To: S lS list S-Scale and S-Trains moderatorists S-Scale and

Thanks so much Larry for you interest an feedback, I agree with you and others. I have also looked directly at the yahoo S site and did notice a few messages missing that I sent. Several others have reported "dropped" emails, and even scarambled data? I do now beleive it is a problem, in my case, with the cable modem/Charter Cable = ISP. I have determined that the "new" cable modem Charter just replaced (therefore did not think that was the problem) keeps on dropping out, and I have to reboot. On top of this I just updated the wireless router firmware...maybe this will help. Since I could not figure where the problem is/was, I inquired to discover, through process of feedback and elimination, where things are getting "lost". Thanks to all that have offered feedback, suggestions, and support for the administartors/moderators of S Yahoo sites, I too support them and DO understand it is a wonderful and gracious service they provide us all. SO THAT SHOULD BRING THIS LINE OF INQUIREY TO A CLOSE! Again thanks to all, S Gugingly Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) in southern Oregon, USA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50011	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/7/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 7, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50012	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: American Models K-4 Question

Hi, I recently purchased a used American Models PRR K-4. Everything is fine, except (as warned by the seller) it has a sound that seems to come from the sound unit, which sounds like air or steam exhausting. It does it randomly sometimes every few seconds, other tines only a couple times a minute. They are like a burst of three in rapid secession: da-da-da. It is much louder than the choo-choo. A guy at AM told me before I purchased the loco, that it was normal. But I am not sure. It is annoying and I wonder if there is a way to turn it off??? Thanks in advance. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50013	From: Trains	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re; Couplers and recent discussions

FROM conversation on S-Scale -yahoo re: couplers in/for S Hi Bill and everyone else...Couplers are alive and well! Have a blog site stared, that will eventually have it's own domain name.....baby steps. This site will address ALL S coupler concerns hopefuly! What I am working towards is a primary source for: products, technical info,manufacturer links and specifications (with their cooperation and permission) and things like helpful installations for a variety of cars and locos, adaptations, fixes,comparisons, commentary from S enthusiasts, and prototype drawings/dimensions and scale comparisons o various couplers. It is hoped that this will lead to a greater "networking" of information and provide potential manufacturers/importers/suppliers and dealers of S products and couplers and the S Scale/Gauge community as a whole a resource for S Couplers. This might make it easier to concentrate efforts on particular types of S couplers and get accurate information, Key will be the willingness to help me help everyone, with info, helpfull hints,resources, links etc. It is not an instant thing and will take time and energy to get going, The first steps have been taken. Also need help from apropriate NASG people with standards, and also coordination with the NMRA. Have communicated with Mr. Bruce metcalf on the subject of couplers in S. This site will treat the Scale, Hi-Rail, American Flyer and narrow gauge fans equally. And will strive to provide resources for all in S 1:64 - 3/16" scale model railroading. You all may wish to see the birthing pains at: http://www.s-cplrhed.blogspot.com We will see wnere this all goes and maybe generate potential production of some new S products, never seen before. S Gaugingly yours, Peter L in Oregon (for now) PS: may be fun to check my web site also http://www.trains-4-u.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50014	From: Trains	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Roll-up doors

Hi People, If you would like to see this concept, I could snap a digital photos of my scratch built backdrop warehous/cold storag bldg made from scarp plexiglass, styrene and roll-up doors made from HO Suydam corrugated sheet metal stock cut to fit.(any of the other HO corrugated metal sheets will do). On some doors I left them open to varing degrees and will have little shadow box warehouse sets behind opening. The roll-up cylinder is made from 1/2" dia. styrene tube cut in half lengthwise and half-round plugs in end. Looks very convincing. You could use larger dia. tube for wider/taller doors/smaller dia. tube for smaller sized doors. I have not been able to get any picts onto Yahoo S site....does not want to work...but will be glad to forward to whomever via attatchment? Peter Loeb in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50015	From: Andrew	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Steam shovel

Has anybody ever seen an S gauge Steam Shovel ? I've been looking for years . I've seen them in HO but don't quite work out . Maybe I'll have to fabricate one , I'm starting to lose interest in looking due to a lack of results . Andy Also , is anybody in the group going on the TCA cruise next weekend Sept 13-20th ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50016	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Something completely different...

Stumpy's Marabunta Island layout (as of 2005) can be viewed at the Small Layout Scrapbook <http://carendt.com/scrapbook/page36/index.html> website (http://carendt.com/scrapbook/page36/index.html). Pretty cool!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50017	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Scoreboard Pictures

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=122&m=t&o=0 The Scoreboard for S Helper Field is just about done. I need to order a pack of numbers only, as the letters pack only had 2 numbers for each number. The pitcher on the mound is number 6. I forgot to put in the Outs on the board, so I will move the H over to the box for E. Not the way it is at Fenway, but good enough. Of course Fenway does not say S Helper Field. I will get some colored pinheads, idea from Joe Haenn for the lights for Balls Strikes and Outs. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50018	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: American Models K-4 Question

I bought my K4 new and that sound is programmed in and supposed to be brake bleed off, I think. I've had mine for years and have forgotten some of the details. I don't know if it can be turned off. Now you know as much about it as I do. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50019	From: David Held	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: S Trains for sale.

Hi folks, I've put together a web site listing S items I have for sale. Some are new and some are used. Most are set up for S Scale but others, namely SHS, PRS and AM have wheel sets and couplers available for Hirail or Flyer track. Take a look and let me know if you are interested. Info can be found at (http://www.imlaytrains.com) Thanks, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50020	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: American Models K-4 Question

----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker . . . .purchased a used American Models PRR K-4. . . . . . .it has a sound . . . . .much louder than the choo-choo. . . . . . turn it off??? > > > > > > > > > I think on the circuit board inside the tender there is a volume adjustment potentiometer, as on all AM sound boards, so you can turn down the whole thing. But I doubt there is any way to control individual components of the sound. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50021	From: tcalcut	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: American Models K-4 Question

Hi, I bought an AM 4-6-2 Pacific years ago and it had a random sound called a blow-down. I didn't like it. Somehow, I found out that Dave Ott from Ott Machine Services, Inc did the sound chip and maybe the whole board too. He sent me a new chip with the 'blow down' file deleted. Now my Pacific runs without the blow-down noise. It made a big difference. I like it much better. This was in December of 1997. His address was: Ott Machine Services, Inc 118 E. Ash St. P.O. Box 1701 Lombard, IL 60148 I believe he also made the Ott 2 button Sound Controller. Hope this helps. Ted Calcut

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50022	From: Trains	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Steam shovel

Yes their were several adaptations ..look at Scenery Unlimited, contact Don Heimburger..also articles on how to scratch build from Ho/O tank parts etc. Peter Loeb in Oregon, check for fun www.trains-4-u.com my web site about S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50023	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/7/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 7, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50024	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Steam shovel

How 'bout a 1:64 Gradall? Still looking for one of those. Anyone know of one ever made, still available?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50025	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Help identify

To the group, I have posted 2 pictures in our groups photo albums, at the following link, http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/4e6d. Does anyone recognize these and can tell me what they are? I purchased a collection sometime back and there was a tool box involved in the transaction. These were in the tool box. I am guessing they are used somehow with loco drive wheels, but I do not know if they are used with Flyer or Lionel. The gentleman I purchased from, repaired both. If indeed they are for use with drive wheels, does anyone know the proper procedure for using them? Thanks for any help, Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together�at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50026	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: CONST. EQUIP 1/64th & 1/50th

_Bidspotter.com-Live Internet Auction Broadcasting-Static Auction--_ (http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=4857) Here is a link to 1/64th graders , steam shovels etc. The auction is over, but you can see what is out there. Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50027	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify

I get an error message when I try to access the pix....Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50028	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: American Models K-4 Question

Ted, Thanks very much. This sounds like the ideal solution. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: tcalcut To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Models K-4 Question Hi, I bought an AM 4-6-2 Pacific years ago and it had a random sound called a blow-down. I didn't like it. Somehow, I found out that Dave Ott from Ott Machine Services, Inc did the sound chip and maybe the whole board too. He sent me a new chip with the 'blow down' file deleted. Now my Pacific runs without the blow-down noise. It made a big difference. I like it much better. This was in December of 1997. His address was: Ott Machine Services, Inc 118 E. Ash St. P.O. Box 1701 Lombard, IL 60148 I believe he also made the Ott 2 button Sound Controller. Hope this helps. Ted Calcut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50029	From: piccu56	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify

Cut and paste the URL then remove the period at the end then the link will work. Looks like possibly some sort of quartering tool or wheel cups for pressing on drivers. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I get an error message when I try to access the pix....Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50030	From: lvtrainmeet	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Train Meet this weekend in Allentown Pa

Just wanted to let everyone know there is a Train meet this weekend 9/13 and 9/14. The Great Lehigh Valley Train Meet Merchants Sqaure Mall 1901 S 12th st Allentown pa 18103 Info http://www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com Hope to see you there, Kevin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50031	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Train Meet this weekend in Allentown Pa

how would I get there coming through Indiana on Intrrstate 80 or 90 or 94? --- On Mon, 9/8/08, lvtrainmeet <lvtrainmeet@...> wrote: From: lvtrainmeet <lvtrainmeet@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Train Meet this weekend in Allentown Pa To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 2:08 PM Just wanted to let everyone know there is a Train meet this weekend 9/13 and 9/14. The Great Lehigh Valley Train Meet Merchants Sqaure Mall 1901 S 12th st Allentown pa 18103 Info http://www.lehighva lleytrainmeet. com Hope to see you there, Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50032	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale truck and they will run o.k.     any body heard any thing like that? --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Something completely different... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 6:43 AM For those of you who might be interested, my On30 "Marabunta Island" mini layout is featured in the Oct/Nov. issue of O Gauge Railroading. It's my depiction of a typically run down Central American island operation, complete with weeds growing in the track. Something different than the usual modular layouts and rivet counter displays at area shows. It was fun to build and display and was requested to make another round of train show appearances last year. I have kicked around the idea of doing something similar in S gauge. Stumpy Stone...from Marabunta Island... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50033	From: N Becker	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Steam shovel

Have you checked Matchbox toys? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50034	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Layout update

I found today a website with 1/4 inch white number for the scoreboard, so that should be done soon. More roadway came today with 12 x 19 inch grass mats. I got 5, 2mm, for the "city" and 2, 8 mm, with weeds, for the farm and along the track, as well for dead areas of no activity. A start. RR crossing signals from NJ International are being installed. 25 w transformer has been ordered for the stock yard. Maine, 23 days and counting as there is a lobster in the North Atlantic with my name on it. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50035	From: John	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

HI Mike I have several "O" cars that I have done that to and they work fine John ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike rosz" <mikenguy9@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale truck and they will run o.k. any body heard any thing like that? --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50036	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

I have taken Marx 3/16" cars and the slightly larger plastic versions and put Flyer trucks on them with good operating success. I have read of people doing the same with some of the Lionel O-27 rolling stock.   Bill Drake Almost moved in St. Louis --- On Mon, 9/8/08, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 6:40 PM I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale truck and they will run o.k.     any body heard any thing like that? --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Something completely different... To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 6:43 AM For those of you who might be interested, my On30 "Marabunta Island" mini layout is featured in the Oct/Nov. issue of O Gauge Railroading. It's my depiction of a typically run down Central American island operation, complete with weeds growing in the track. Something different than the usual modular layouts and rivet counter displays at area shows. It was fun to build and display and was requested to make another round of train show appearances last year. I have kicked around the idea of doing something similar in S gauge. Stumpy Stone...from Marabunta Island... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50037	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Help identify

To the group, I am re-posting this request for help, as the link to pictures had a period which should not have been there. Thanks, Larry Moore To the group, I have posted 2 pictures in our group's photo albums, at the link below. Does anyone recognize these and can tell me what they are? I purchased a collection sometime back and there was a tool box involved in the transaction. These were in the tool box. I am guessing they are used somehow with loco drive wheels, but I do not know if they are used with Flyer or Lionel. The gentleman I purchased from, repaired both. If indeed they are for use with drive wheels, does anyone know the proper procedure for using them? Thanks for any help, Larry Moore http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/4e6d _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50038	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: 1/4 inch white numbers

Cost of sheet of numbers: $3.30 Shipping $7.69 (And no, Office Depot and Staples do not carry as this is a specialty product) Having S Helper Scoreboard done like Fenway Park: Priceless. LOL hey it only money. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50039	From: bandmancwc	Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: custom cut track

Hi everyone, Does anybody know where I can get 1 or 2 pieces of S-Trax custom cut? It looks pretty straightforward, but I am all thumbs and two left feet :) Thanks....Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50040	From: zdava	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: New link to photos

Over labor day weekend, I flew from Atlanta back to Phila (where I grew up) and visited my brother in Allentown. Here are some pics of a small layout we set up. http://www.flickr.com/photos/30305057@N02/ Dave Adams Suwanee, GA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50041	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut track

Bill, I just made my first S layout ever at age 53. I too did not have the confidence to cut track. but I got a good track saw, made the measurements, took my time, and I had great success. I feel you too can do this. The key is taking a good measurement, good track saw, and take your time in cutting. I believe I taped the track down to a piece of wood so it would not move. Masking tape will not do the job. Use lots of Blue Painters tape. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: bandmancwc To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] custom cut track Hi everyone, Does anybody know where I can get 1 or 2 pieces of S-Trax custom cut? It looks pretty straightforward, but I am all thumbs and two left feet :) Thanks....Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50042	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

I have put S trucks on O27 tank cars after taking out about quarter inch down the middle of the frame and reinstalling the tank.  I've also taken out about a quarter of an inch down the middle of O Auto Carriers and put S trucks on them.  Here is some video of the carriers.  http://76.162.248.184/Photos/20080803/MOV01890.MPG   Len --- On Mon, 9/8/08, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 4:40 PM I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale truck and they will run o.k.     any body heard any thing like that? --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Something completely different... To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 6:43 AM For those of you who might be interested, my On30 "Marabunta Island" mini layout is featured in the Oct/Nov. issue of O Gauge Railroading. It's my depiction of a typically run down Central American island operation, complete with weeds growing in the track. Something different than the usual modular layouts and rivet counter displays at area shows. It was fun to build and display and was requested to make another round of train show appearances last year. I have kicked around the idea of doing something similar in S gauge. Stumpy Stone...from Marabunta Island... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50043	From: Steve Wolcott	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: CRESCENT CITY S-GAUGERS

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Anyone heard from Jay Mellon or others from the Crescent City Group? Mike > > Michael Strickland > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Or > 97501 > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I had the pleasure of meeting Jay at the NASG convention in Lowell. He rode Amtrak up and back. He was looking to replace some of the many train items he lost to Katrina. He said he was in somewhat temporary living situation and was planning a small shelf switching layout to get some kind of layout back. My wife and I had a real nice time with Jay, plenty of bus time going on tours, both layout and train rides. Steve W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50044	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut track

Congrats on your technique! what kind of track were you cutting, and what kind of saw? Thanks, Dave Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Bill, > > I just made my first S layout ever at age 53. > > I too did not have the confidence to cut track. > > but I got a good track saw, made the measurements, took my time, and I > had great success. > > I feel you too can do this. > > The key is taking a good measurement, good track saw, and take your time > in cutting. > > I believe I taped the track down to a piece of wood so it would not > move. Masking tape will not do the job. Use lots of Blue Painters tape. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bandmancwc > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:28 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] custom cut track > > Hi everyone, > > Does anybody know where I can get 1 or 2 pieces of S-Trax custom cut? > It looks pretty straightforward, but I am all thumbs and two left > feet :) Thanks....Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50045	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut track

Dear Bill, We do it here for $10 per section (plus track and shipping). Either tell us the size or send or send us the track. Best, Don SHS On Sep 8, 2008, at 8:28 PM, bandmancwc wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Does anybody know where I can get 1 or 2 pieces of S-Trax custom cut? > It looks pretty straightforward, but I am all thumbs and two left > feet :) Thanks....Bill > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50046	From: Trains	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut track

Re: sawing custom length of Custom Trax and others is to clamp the track section to be cut between two boards(a bit wider than ties/roadbed), with the track,rail, ties clamped rigidly. The boards if not too thick can also serve as a saw guide for the cut. I have used 1/4" strips of Masonite, with rough side toward rail and bottom of track and two C clamps large enough to reach center of track (applying equal pressure to bothrails). Peter L. in OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50047	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Help identify

You have a real mystery there. I have no idea what these are for as far as trains are concerned. Could they have been part of something else? Something non-train related? Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50048	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut track

Hi Peter, This is way to sophisticated for me. I cut AF track using my scroll saw. No fancy jigs or clamps or anything else. I just guide it through with my hands. If I need to make minor adjustments to the length I use my bench grinder. My track joints are all nice and tight so it works for me. I take the shade tree mechanic approach - if something ain't working just get a bigger hammer! I'm still looking for a way to use my 48" pipe wrench somewhere on the layout construction! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@...> wrote: > > Re: sawing custom length of Custom Trax and others is to clamp the track section to be cut between two boards(a bit wider than ties/roadbed), with the track,rail, ties clamped rigidly. The boards if not too thick can also serve as a saw guide for the cut. I have used 1/4" strips of Masonite, with rough side toward rail and bottom of track and two C clamps large enough to reach center of track (applying equal pressure to bothrails). > > Peter L. in OR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50049	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut track

Dave, I am using S track from www.classictrains.com They have pictures of layout including some older ones of my layout being built. There are also pictures of my layout on the S list under train table. I used a hobby saw that is geared to cutting track. I think any brand of track saw should be fine. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: D. Winslow To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] custom cut track Congrats on your technique! what kind of track were you cutting, and what kind of saw? Thanks, Dave Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Bill, > > I just made my first S layout ever at age 53. > > I too did not have the confidence to cut track. > > but I got a good track saw, made the measurements, took my time, and I > had great success. > > I feel you too can do this. > > The key is taking a good measurement, good track saw, and take your time > in cutting. > > I believe I taped the track down to a piece of wood so it would not > move. Masking tape will not do the job. Use lots of Blue Painters tape. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bandmancwc > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:28 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] custom cut track > > Hi everyone, > > Does anybody know where I can get 1 or 2 pieces of S-Trax custom cut? > It looks pretty straightforward, but I am all thumbs and two left > feet :) Thanks....Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50050	From: William Porter	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New link to photos

Hey Dave, That looks like you had fun. Thanks for sharing. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zdava Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New link to photos Over labor day weekend, I flew from Atlanta back to Phila (where I grew up) and visited my brother in Allentown. Here are some pics of a small layout we set up. http://www.flickr <http://www.flickr.com/photos/30305057@N02/> com/photos/30305057@N02/ Dave Adams Suwanee, GA _,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50051	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: A different O/S issue

Listers, As a collector/operator of prewar ACG 3/16"-O, I'm sort of a distant cousin here, and am having a problem with grades on my new layout - about which I could surely benefit from the experience of others. Especially, I'd like to know what performance I should reasonably expect? Nothing exceeds 1.8%, yet my 572 Northern can barely handle a tinplate caboose, let alone its' die-cast passenger consist. At first it seemed to be an electrical issue, but I have now cleaned the track thoroughly and added some feeders, so wheel-spin has become an issue. Yes, all weights (even the small one over the e-unit, which is a SOB to get in place) are present. It does not have traction tires - perhaps that is the answer. I have several locos, including another Northern (spur-drive 806) and they are all pretty much the same. However, they are almost all eBay acquisitions, so their health is questionable, but they DO run. Can I reasonably expect ANY improvement from servicing/tweaking? My layout is in our antique store, which we are having to relocate, so I will be getting a chance to start it over, before it was ever really completed - let alone finished. I suppose I could omit the grades, but I LIKE the arrangement I designed. I've read all about sudden transitions, curves on grade, etc., and have minimized such problems. Any suggestions? As an extreme, I know that K-Line came out with a "O" Big Boy about 5 years ago which was done in 1/64 scale (which is EXACTLY what I have, of course). It apparently pulls a ton. Anyone have any experience with one of them? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50052	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New link to photos

Dave- What are the approximate dimensions? Looks like maybe two sheets of 4X8 plywood in an " L" shape? Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "zdava" <zdava@...> > Over labor day weekend, I flew from Atlanta back to Phila (where I > grew up) and visited my brother in Allentown. Here are some pics of a > small layout we set up. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/30305057@N02/ > > Dave Adams > Suwanee, GA > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50053	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New link to photos

Neat!! I wish I had that much room for a layout! Rick. > Over labor day weekend, I flew from Atlanta back to Phila (where I > grew up) and visited my brother in Allentown. Here are some pics of a > small layout we set up. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/30305057@N02/ > > Dave Adams > Suwanee, GA > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50054	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

That's what K-Line did to produce their S gauge cars. I have purchased some K-Line, took off their good trucks, and put them under old AF cars. I then picked up some Lionel trucks, put them under the K-Line car and gave them to my son for his O-27 layout. The cars match his O-27's perfectly. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> > I have taken Marx 3/16" cars and the slightly larger plastic versions and put > Flyer trucks on them with good operating success. I have read of people doing > the same with some of the Lionel O-27 rolling stock. > � > Bill Drake > Almost moved in St. Louis > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 6:40 PM > > > > > > > I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale truck > and they will run o.k. > � > � any body heard any thing like that? > > --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> wrote: > > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> > Subject: [S-Trains] Something completely different... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 6:43 AM > > For those of you who might be interested, my On30 "Marabunta Island" > mini layout is featured in the Oct/Nov. issue of O Gauge Railroading. > It's my depiction of a typically run down Central American island > operation, complete with weeds growing in the track. Something > different than the usual modular layouts and rivet counter displays at > area shows. > It was fun to build and display and was requested to make another > round of train show appearances last year. > I have kicked around the idea of doing something similar in S gauge. > Stumpy Stone...from Marabunta Island... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50055	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: custom cut S-trax track sections

Don and Robin Thompson at S-Helper custom cut lengths of S-trax. Contact them. I have about a dozen custom length sections on my my layout. There are instructions for how to do it yourself on their web site, and while I do all my own work on my trains and layout, for this I opted to have them do it. Saved time while I was working on other things.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50056	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

----- Original Message ----- From: Lennis Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com . . . . . . . I've also taken out about a quarter of an inch down the middle of O Auto Carriers and put S trucks on them. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > I've done it differently, I think. See http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oLnGSAIkehsekZ_4yzn4IeAPD3ijLKoNVvAYZpStYq8GqTASBEAAnzUxBI5bvOPUcjVtK5GJ6gxARzVuiQdwBrWM5U4lLA/Tom%27s%20O-27%20Cars%20%28mostly%29/Dcp_3327.jpg But I liked that train with the 7 Lionel Autoracks. And I noted the stationary double-stack cars. Good to see S gaugers interested in the modern scene. No one has addressed Mr Rosz' original question about putting S trucks on O SCALE cars. A true 1:48 SCALE car on an S railroad would look way oversize, but as Mr Hall notes, there a lots of "O-27" cars that can be used, either as-is or with a little narrowing down. "O-27" designates a Lionel car of any scale, frequently closer to S than O, on O-GAUGE trucks. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50057	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: One good report on MWINTERNETAUCTIONS (E-BAY)

I know this ebay seller has been the topic of several discussions in this group with reports of various problems. I have bought from them about five times with twice having "concerns". First on my first purchase of a $3 part, I asked to not have to pay the $1 insurance if I paid by Paypal. I received a rather rude reply (I had to pay it for Paypal). Second I complained once (2 or 3 years ago) about it taking 3 weeks to ship an item and I got some very rude replies blaming it on the Christmas rush (however the item - a DC 342, was much nicer than expected!). A couple weeks ago, from them I purchased a "parts" loco - advertised as a 326 (but the number had been painted over). I received a Hudson which had no Pul-Mor wheels causing me to think this was not a 326. I wrote back explaining it, and was promptly told I could return it. I believe they received it yesterday or today, and I already have my Paypal refund! Not only that, they refunded my original shipping cost! (their mistake? I only expected the purchase price). Anyhow, I just thought that in fairness, that I should give them a good report! Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50058	From: G C	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

The K Line "S" box cars are too high and a bit too long when set aside a true S scale 40-foot car for sure. Visually it is the height that really makes them look out of place, so I wonder if the tank cars could not just pass as larger cars.  Prototype tank cars come in different sizes / capacity. What are some other opinions?   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50059	From: Barry	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

Why would you want to do this? Why not just model in O-scale? Or, even better, S-scale? Barry Silverhorn --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale truck and they will run o.k. >   >   any body heard any thing like that?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50060	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify

I believe there are to many coinidences for them not to be loco wheel related. A Flyer wheel fits in the depression of the one with the three small holes. The small holes themselves being at 12, 3, and 9 would lead you to believe that somehow quartering is involved. When you place a Flyer wheel face down, the hole in wheel for the linkage screw lines up with the small holes. On the one with the 2 large holes, a center drive wheel with the brass standoff for the linkage rods just fits in the large hole. I am still baffled. Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: mrstumpy@...: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:40:08 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Help identify You have a real mystery there. I have no idea what these are for as far as trains are concerned. Could they have been part of something else? Something non-train related?Stumpy Stone _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50061	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

Ya... You can put S trucks on HO too & G scale & they will run OK But Look like C**P Mike S In a message dated 9/9/2008 4:05:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, f7_9159@... writes: Why would you want to do this? Why not just model in O-scale? Or, even better, S-scale? Barry Silverhorn --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , mike rosz <mikenguy9@.mi> wrote: > > I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale truck and they will run o.k. > > any body heard any thing like that? **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50062	From: Randall Hicks	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: A different O/S issue

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> wrote: > > Listers, > > As a collector/operator of prewar ACG 3/16"-O, I'm sort of a distant cousin > here, and am having a problem with grades on my new layout - about which I > could surely benefit from the experience of others. Especially, I'd like to > know what performance I should reasonably expect? > Here's a quote from the prewar Gilbert handbook: Q. How steep a grade will "O" gauge locomotives climb? A. We recommend avoiding grades of any kind. Remember to keep your track on a level for best performance. I'm not sure why this should be, and I've had no trouble with a slight grade (but I don't remember exactly what percentage it was.) Randall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50063	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify

Is it possible they are part of a fixture or tool to hold wheels and spread the stress as they are pushed back onto the axle?   Bill Drake Still movin' in St. Louis --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:Help identify To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 7:13 PM I believe there are to many coinidences for them not to be loco wheel related. A Flyer wheel fits in the depression of the one with the three small holes. The small holes themselves being at 12, 3, and 9 would lead you to believe that somehow quartering is involved. When you place a Flyer wheel face down, the hole in wheel for the linkage screw lines up with the small holes. On the one with the 2 large holes, a center drive wheel with the brass standoff for the linkage rods just fits in the large hole. I am still baffled. Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.comFrom: mrstumpy@comcast. netDate: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:40:08 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Help identify You have a real mystery there. I have no idea what these are for as far as trains are concerned. Could they have been part of something else? Something non-train related?Stumpy Stone ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt com/MRT/go/ msnnkwxp10200931 75mrt/direct/ 01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50064	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

There is one primary reason for it.  Nobody, and I mean nobody, is willing to make the cars that some of us S gaugers want.  They always claim there isn't enough interest.  So, you make them yourself out of what is available that can be converted.   Len --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Barry <f7_9159@...> wrote: From: Barry <f7_9159@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 4:46 PM Why would you want to do this? Why not just model in O-scale? Or, even better, S-scale? Barry Silverhorn --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@. ..> wrote: > > I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale truck and they will run o.k. >   >   any body heard any thing like that? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50065	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lennis Hall" <len_hall@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S > There is one primary reason for it. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is willing > to make the cars that some of us S gaugers want. They always claim there > isn't enough interest. So, you make them yourself out of what is available > that can be converted. The REAL problem with this sad truth is that since so few S scalers have the same needs/wants, eventually, and probably sooner than we all think, there is going to be NOTHING left for the manufacturers to produce that the masses want. Therefore, S manufacturers will have to completely stop production of models and go out of business... all because none of us have mutual needs/wants... and we'll be left with nobody to make new stuff for us. Damned shame, too... it was such a nice scale... John Degnan Scaler164@... Man, I'm gonna get nailed for this post!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50066	From: G C	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

Are we confusing O scale with O-27? O scale is O scale, but O-27 is often, but not always closer to S scale, but on O gauge wheels. I f I see a Lionel O-27 car that resembles a prototype that I admire, I'm going to modify, convert or bash it to suit my needs. Same for old Marx. Simple as that. There are all sorts of people in this hobby - collectors, operators, and folks like me who actually do like to have stuff looking like the real thing. Some of us don't care if for example, the new Big Boy has a road name on it other than UP. That's fine because it's still fun to watch it run - I'm just not in that group. However, I don't criticize those who are.   I don't want to start a new thread here, but being a non rivet counting train basher, I get my raw materials anyway I can to make what I like. That pertains to what will work 'size wise'. Some of us fall into the valley between pure scale and just having fun with our trains. Sometimes it's hard to know where we belong, but we have fun!   It's more important to ask how you did something than why you did it. Now will someone please answer my post on those 'nasty' K Line tank cars?    Gene Cimino   Proud Member Of The Brotherhood Of Bashers - PA Chapter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50067	From: G C	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

Well said Len! Speaking of making stuff - did anyone else see the latest issue of CTT. Great article on the B&O Royal Blue.   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50068	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

Geeeish John, Come on someone finish the tunnel and stick a light at the other end...before all hope is lost. gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: John Degnan To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lennis Hall" <len_hall@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S > There is one primary reason for it. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is willing > to make the cars that some of us S gaugers want. They always claim there > isn't enough interest. So, you make them yourself out of what is available > that can be converted. The REAL problem with this sad truth is that since so few S scalers have the same needs/wants, eventually, and probably sooner than we all think, there is going to be NOTHING left for the manufacturers to produce that the masses want. Therefore, S manufacturers will have to completely stop production of models and go out of business... all because none of us have mutual needs/wants... and we'll be left with nobody to make new stuff for us. Damned shame, too... it was such a nice scale... John Degnan Scaler164@... Man, I'm gonna get nailed for this post! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50069	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

(((((((did anyone else see the latest issue of CTT. Great article on the B&O Royal Blue)))))) Yes I did. Nice! Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50070	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

LOL!!! Everyone relax... I was just being silly. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S > Geeeish John, > > Come on someone finish the tunnel and stick a light at the other end...before all hope is lost. > > gale hall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Degnan > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S > The REAL problem with this sad truth is that since so few S scalers have the > same needs/wants, eventually, and probably sooner than we all think, there > is going to be NOTHING left for the manufacturers to produce that the masses > want. Therefore, S manufacturers will have to completely stop production of > models and go out of business... all because none of us have mutual > needs/wants... and we'll be left with nobody to make new stuff for us. > > Damned shame, too... it was such a nice scale... > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > Man, I'm gonna get nailed for this post!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50071	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: O Flyer

I run "O" flyer. Original die cast cars are to heavy. My Hudson and Northern just sit and spin. I have added a set of traction tires that helps. The smaller Pacifics and Atlantics run better and pull better with the traction tires. I believe Gilbert built there "O" to run on level track. I do have a K-line Big Boy. It is 3/16" in length only. It is 1/4" in height and width. It is a good looking engine. It is an excellent runner and will pull a long string of freight cars, But I would not run it on Flyer O (31" radius.) Use 072 I run a variety of cars 027, 3/16 Marxs, prewar AF & Lionel and some HOn30. Most 1:1 trains have different height and length cars. Just run, what looks good together. Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mKSlqnLlFQwc5j4iUbvAMUfMLY14bj7KKRwHV5PgvtCfphB/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50072	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Question converting O to S

Some of you guys are admitting to doing things like myself, the Mad Butcher! Be careful, the collectors will attack from one side and the rivet5 counters from the other! ;-) All kidding aside, compared to HO and O gauge/scale, we have a real shortage of choices of locos and rolling stock. Some of the older members of this group will remember when things were even worse! Times when you HAD to cut up Gilbert stuff to get the equipment you wanted. Cut up old Lionel or Marx 027? Gee, why not, neither is collectable! K-line used old Marx molds which were actually real close to 3/16" scale, and the Atlas recent low budget line is similar. In fact the On30 guys are even chopping up the same stuff we are for their use. Bash away! With all this talk of kit bashing...I'm beginning to feel like Darth Vader..."Come to the dark side!" :-) Stumpy Stone...always encouraging the use of imagination in every scale...Martins Ferry, Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50073	From: Barry	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

It makes me wonder why I am sitting at my workbench, knocking myself out trying to make models with accurate S-scale-sized brick, thinner window profiles, and generally trying to get proportions just right, while people in the hobby are putting O-scale models on S-scale trucks. I understand the scarcity of models of certain prototypes in S-scale. As far as my personal hobby is concerned, I am an HO-scale modeler. There are lots of models that aren't available in 1:87, but I can't imagine HO-scale modelers putting S-scale boxcars on HO trucks. Barry Silverthorn Grand River Models --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > > There is one primary reason for it.  Nobody, and I mean nobody, is willing to make the cars that some of us S gaugers want.  They always claim there isn't enough interest.  So, you make them yourself out of what is available that can be converted. >   > Len > > > --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Barry <f7_9159@...> wrote: > > From: Barry <f7_9159@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 4:46 PM > > Why would you want to do this? Why not just model in O-scale? Or, even better, S-scale? > > Barry Silverhorn > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@ ..> wrote: > > > > I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale truck and > they will run o.k. > >   > >   any body heard any thing like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50074	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

Whoa whoa wait a second, this is getting way out of hand as to what is actually happening....we can say O to S and that is what is happening, but it is only certain items....the older Lionel O27 stuff, the 40' double door boxcar, that was everything from Airfix to Bosoco fits on an Ace floor and makes a great looking S scale car, the short gondola is almost a match to a GM&O gondola series. the longer gondola need to be split and narrowed a tad..some of the tank cars can be use with work. The Industrial Rail Santa Fe style caboose is right on for S, get rid of the trucks. Lionel has made a different version of the SP steel caboose, that is closer to S and they may have use that shell for the GN S gauge caboose. Many of the old Marx tinplate cars are 3/16, and some very good litho work too...like the Reading caboose......we are just taking O gauge cars to convert cause we need them, we can convert them cause they will...Ok you can take an Athearn HO triple dome tank car, put S trucks under it and Kadee Couplers and model one of the three compartment 3000 gal tank cars...when the Athearn cars were three or four bucks you could have a S tank car for about $8.....Oh and putting HO trucks on S scale cars...well ya know that was done in the real world, or real close, East Broad Top put narrow guage trucks under standard gauge cars to deliver to customers on line and then re installed the standard gauge trucks when the cars went back on to the standard gauge track...and you know all that was done at no charge to the customer....that is what that big Transfer Tower was all about... So it isn't exactly like what it sounds but it sort of is too.. gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S It makes me wonder why I am sitting at my workbench, knocking myself out trying to make models with accurate S-scale-sized brick, thinner window profiles, and generally trying to get proportions just right, while people in the hobby are putting O-scale models on S-scale trucks. I understand the scarcity of models of certain prototypes in S-scale. As far as my personal hobby is concerned, I am an HO-scale modeler. There are lots of models that aren't available in 1:87, but I can't imagine HO-scale modelers putting S-scale boxcars on HO trucks. Barry Silverthorn Grand River Models --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > > There is one primary reason for it. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is willing to make the cars that some of us S gaugers want. They always claim there isn't enough interest. So, you make them yourself out of what is available that can be converted. > > Len > > > --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Barry <f7_9159@...> wrote: > > From: Barry <f7_9159@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 4:46 PM > > Why would you want to do this? Why not just model in O-scale? Or, even better, S-scale? > > Barry Silverhorn > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@ ..> wrote: > > > > I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale truck and > they will run o.k. > > > > any body heard any thing like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50075	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

It's up to each to model in their own way. Tinplate, Hi-Rail, Scale etc. We are a mixed group. Please keep that in mind. Carl T ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S It makes me wonder why I am sitting at my workbench, knocking myself out trying to make models with accurate S-scale-sized brick, thinner window profiles, and generally trying to get proportions just right, while people in the hobby are putting O-scale models on S-scale trucks. I understand the scarcity of models of certain prototypes in S-scale. As far as my personal hobby is concerned, I am an HO-scale modeler. There are lots of models that aren't available in 1:87, but I can't imagine HO-scale modelers putting S-scale boxcars on HO trucks. Barry Silverthorn Grand River Models --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > > There is one primary reason for it. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is willing to make the cars that some of us S gaugers want. They always claim there isn't enough interest. So, you make them yourself out of what is available that can be converted. > > Len > > > --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Barry <f7_9159@...> wrote: > > From: Barry <f7_9159@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 4:46 PM > > Why would you want to do this? Why not just model in O-scale? Or, even better, S-scale? > > Barry Silverhorn > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@ ..> wrote: > > > > I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale truck and > they will run o.k. > > > > any body heard any thing like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50076	From: The LANIERs	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

Barry, You are enjoying knocking yourself out with scale bricks because you no doubt have an S gauge model railroad layout. Many others of us have S gauge toy train layouts, where scale is not so critical. They are different animals. To each his own, differrent strokes.., etc. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S It makes me wonder why I am sitting at my workbench, knocking myself out trying to make models with accurate S-scale-sized brick, thinner window profiles, and generally trying to get proportions just right, while people in the hobby are putting O-scale models on S-scale trucks. I understand the scarcity of models of certain prototypes in S-scale. As far as my personal hobby is concerned, I am an HO-scale modeler. There are lots of models that aren't available in 1:87, but I can't imagine HO-scale modelers putting S-scale boxcars on HO trucks. Barry Silverthorn Grand River Models --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > > There is one primary reason for it. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is willing to make the cars that some of us S gaugers want. They always claim there isn't enough interest. So, you make them yourself out of what is available that can be converted. > > Len > > > --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Barry <f7_9159@...> wrote: > > From: Barry <f7_9159@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 4:46 PM > > Why would you want to do this? Why not just model in O-scale? Or, even better, S-scale? > > Barry Silverhorn > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@ ..> wrote: > > > > I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale truck and > they will run o.k. > > > > any body heard any thing like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50077	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

I have converted a couple of 027 gons to S TOFC but I did do a little chopping to make them look better. I have also converted much 0N30 to S and the only ones that looked bad was the caboose and passenger car, so I dumped them. I recently converted 2 Athearn HO Ethyl tank cars to S by changing the trucks and making a few modifications to the walks and by golly I got a perfectly preportioned and accurately scaled Ethyl 3000 gal. tank car that does not look like C**P. It looks like an S scale 3000 gal. tank car, just like the prototype. The day we loose our imaginations is the day we put ourselves in a box - with 4 walls - and a closed top. How boring. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Ya... You can put S trucks on HO too & G scale & they will run OK But Look > like C**P Mike S > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 4:05:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > f7_9159@... writes: > > > > > > Why would you want to do this? Why not just model in O-scale? Or, even > better, S-scale? > > Barry Silverhorn > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S- Trains@yahoogroups.com) , mike > rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > > > I heard you can take O scale cars and remove the trucks and put on S scale > truck and > they will run o.k. > > > > any body heard any thing like that? > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50078	From: John Keating	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Allentown Train Show

Good Morning Listers, Can anyone advise me on the number of AF S dealers that usually attend the Allentown Train Show as posted here recently for the Sunday portion of the show. Thank you in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50079	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Allentown Train Show

The last show there had about 3 or 4 dedicated S guage guys plus a smattering of S on various tables. The only vendor name that pops into my mind is Mike Rosenberg. Bob Hendrickson --- On Wed, 9/10/08, John Keating <john_keating@...> wrote: From: John Keating <john_keating@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Allentown Train Show To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 10:26 AM Good Morning Listers, Can anyone advise me on the number of AF S dealers that usually attend the Allentown Train Show as posted here recently for the Sunday portion of the show. Thank you in advance. John Keating [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50080	From: G C	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

Thanks Gale,   I'm keeping notes on what you just wrote. Some great ideas there for future projects. To put all of this in simple terms, some of use will go to whatever length it takes to convert, bash, chop or even scratchbuild a car that is NOT AVAILABLE. Yes, it takes a definite amount of discipline and for those who have it, creativity to take something  'close in size' and rework it into what we want.   Lionel had a decent PRR N5 type caboose they produced more toward O scale. I sure would like to have one in S, but there is no way, I could ever cut the Lionel down to S and have it look like any thing worth the effort. Instead if my desire is really overpowering, I would somehow come up with the money to buy the nice Kaslo model. Converting is more than just putting S wheels on something O or even HO sized. It only works if it "really works". Having said that, I'm still trying to figure out how to make a decent looking ten wheeler out of the Casey Jones. L.O.L. Yes, I know the cab is too darn big!   Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50081	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

In a message dated 9/9/2008 9:15:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, frisco91@... writes: John Degnan Scaler164@... Man, I'm gonna get nailed for this post! Is it that OR the fact that everyone wants stuff they have NO intention of buying???? Just curious, Jim Lyle **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50082	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: TCA TRAIN SHOW

HI, TCA train show sept. 28 at the sheraton inn in cranberry pa, last show there was tons of american flyer stuff there, stop by and say hi if anyone one the list is going. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50083	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: FLAT CARS FS

HI, I HAVE THE FOLLOWING FLAT CARS WITH NO LOADS FOR SALE, CONTACT ME OFF LIST lglumac@... #24557 $40 #25515 $75 $20 each 956,24539,24516,24550 24575 has broken coupler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50084	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S

----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Silverthorn Grand River Models It makes me wonder why I am sitting. . . . . trying to . . . . . . . . get proportions just right, while people in the hobby are putting O-scale models on S-scale trucks. > > > > > > > > > > Barry Your kits ( http://www.grandrivermodels.com/home.html ) are excellent, and I recommend them to all who want realistic-looking structures. But this is the "S-Trains" list, where realism takes second place to preserving an old toy train system called American Flyer. The S modellers who value realism over any specific brand of train are on the "S-Scale" list. But please also note, NO ONE on either list recommends putting O SCALE cars on S gauge trucks and running them on an S scale railroad. In the world of 3-rail O GAUGE trains, dominated by Lionel and Mike's Train House, there is a lot of rolling stock that is not O SCALE, they are smaller and frequently close to S scale. Sometimes we find it necessary to narrow them down a bit before we put on the S scale trucks and couplers. I could list lots of them, maybe I will in a separate message. I'll just mention one here that hasn't been mentioned yet, a Mike's Train House gondola. It has an inside length of about 56½ S scale feet. Alex Binkley narrowed one down, did a lot more work like putting correct S scale ladders on it, put it in the model contest at a national S convention a few years ago, and had a winner. I just dug mine out and moved it higher in my to-do pile. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan T

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50085	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S

I'm not sure I understand you, Jim... care to elaborate a bit on your comment? John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: QUESTION ON CONVERTING O to S > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > Man, I'm gonna get nailed for this post! > > Is it that OR the fact that everyone wants stuff they have NO intention of > buying???? > > Just curious, > > Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50086	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Wheels and traction

- Greetings - Yahoo and I do not get along well. Sorry, Larry, but I have not been able to look at the tool/jig you have acquired. Bring it along on our trip to Expo. Maybe we can figure it out. Richard Hosmer has discussed low tractive effort from his 4-8-4 which sounds like something is afoot (awheel?). Please tell what kind of track you are using. Stainless tends to be more slippery than cold- rolled steel, And an 8-B suggestion. After seeing the question on disassembling an 8B, I started to take apart one that needs a new line cord. About 5 hours ago I succeeded. The trick after removing the two small screws from the top, the control handle, and finally the case is to remove the flat head screw holding the circuit breaker assembly. Grip the plastic C.B. assembly at the coontacts end and rotate the bottom of teh assembly outward. The contact leaves and the reset wheel will just barely clear the steel frame. Push down on the reset button while push- ing the C.B. assembly out of the frame, button first. As some instruc- tions laughingly state, "Reassemble in reverse order." Good luck. Cheers, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50087	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: OFFICIAL SERGENT COUPLER UPDATE

Here it is, folks... the somewhat short, but very encouraging (much more that the last) reply from Frank Sergent concerning the future of his S scale coupler! I encourage EVERYONE who is interested in his coupler to drop him an e-mail (address above) and let him know you'll support him! : NOTE : The Old style (Legacy) Sergent coupler is NOT presently listed on their web site since it is temporarily out of production. They are upgrading all of their production equipment, so nothing (old or new) can be produced at this time. John Degnan Scaler164@... ___________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Sergent : ( sales@... ) To: 'John Degnan' Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: RE: S Update ( I hate to be a pest ) Hi John, Not a whole lot has changed since I last addressed this. As you know, I am considering going die cast with the S scale product. It is something I want to do. My wife is also encouraging me to do it as well, so you have the ultimate ally in that respect. The good news is that we have learned a lot in the retooling effort for the HO scale couplers. All of that can be applied to a future S scale coupler as well. Thanks, Frank -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Degnan [mailto:scaler164@...] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:52 PM To: SERGENT ENGINEERING : Frank Sergent Subject: S Update ( I hate to be a pest ) Hi Frank, I hate to be a pest, but I just wanted to let you know that there has been a LOT (a BIG LOT) of talk on the S groups over the last week about couplers... the future, possible Sergent S coupler included, and many have written me asking if I knew anything about the possible future of your S scale coupler.... is there a future or not, and if so, when, even if only a ballpark guess. So if you can give me anything to throw out there to appease the beasts, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. John Degnan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50088	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Allentown Train Show

I met a dealer at a train show last name was DAVID.  is he still around?   Any body heard of him? --- On Wed, 9/10/08, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Allentown Train Show To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 9:44 AM The last show there had about 3 or 4 dedicated S guage guys plus a smattering of S on various tables. The only vendor name that pops into my mind is Mike Rosenberg. Bob Hendrickson --- On Wed, 9/10/08, John Keating <john_keating@ sbcglobal. net> wrote: From: John Keating <john_keating@ sbcglobal. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Allentown Train Show To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 10:26 AM Good Morning Listers, Can anyone advise me on the number of AF S dealers that usually attend the Allentown Train Show as posted here recently for the Sunday portion of the show. Thank you in advance. John Keating [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50089	From: ken garber	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4184

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:37 AM, <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > . . . There are lots of models that aren't > available in 1:87, but I can't imagine HO-scale modelers putting S-scale boxcars on HO > trucks. > > Barry Silverthorn > Grand River Models > Isn't that called narrow gauge? The kind of thing that the Newfoundland Railroad did? : ) ken

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50090	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify

Larry, I don't recognize the tools you have as Flyer ones. I have all the Flyer wheel cups and the press for using them. None of them are like the ones you have there. If you like, I can send photos of them for comparison purposes. Steve SnS Trains, Boise In a message dated 09/07/2008 6:04:28 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mo2337@... writes: To the group, I have posted 2 pictures in our groups photo albums, at the following link, http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/4e6d. Does anyone recognize these and can tell me what they are? I purchased a collection sometime back and there was a tool box involved in the transaction. These were in the tool box. I am guessing they are used somehow with loco drive wheels, but I do not know if they are used with Flyer or Lionel. The gentleman I purchased from, repaired both. If indeed they are for use with drive wheels, does anyone know the proper procedure for using them? Thanks for any help, Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50091	From: Trains	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4184

Hi Ken, therev are examples in the past and maybe present of a persons using HO track and switches and putting HO running gear (trucks, motors, drives) on "S" scaled cars and locos. Francis Patten was one wonderful example of using HO to create Sn42 narrow gauge.He was also very inventive in creating all kinds of motive power and "electrics" for his Sn42 narrow gauge....long before the On30 craze. Conversly I and others (including 1st place prize winners in NMRA/NASG events) have used HO locos,and rolling stock to modify and create, in some cases, exceptional models in Sn3. So everybody: beg borrow steal, cut saw bash away, there is never a throw-away. wheather O, On__ whatever, HO and even N etc.....it may be that it IS Scale!!! I have used just about anything you can imagine in "conversion" (read converting to "our philosophy") to work, look great and be apropriate in S-Scale. That may be one of those wonderful serendipitous blessings of "our" chosen scale....it encourages experimentation, creativity and diversity. Everyone can have it their way! Peter Loeb in Oregon Web site: www.trains-4-u.com Blog site: www.s-cplrhed.blogspot.com (for S coupler info) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50092	From: Barry	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S

Tom; I see what you are saying. But I do think that the S-gauge crowd needs to differentiate themselves by removing the words "scale" and "model" from their vocabulary. These terms, by their very definitions, generally do not apply when people are combining equipment that is clearly not made to one standard. For clarification: model: A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object. scale: A proportion used in determining the dimensional relationship of a representation to that which it represents "Model" is a term that S-gaugers could probably get away with. "Scale" is likely not. I also think it it important to differentiate between the two when it comes to things like layout tours and train shows when there is clearly a difference between the type of trains being displayed or sold. That's not to say that they both can't appear in the same venue, but, for example, if a train show features mainly S-gauge (American Flyer) toys, it should be clearly advertised as such. I hate to contribute to a split in the hobby, but it seems to me that S-scalers and S- gaugers are working towards completly different goals in their hobbies. Having said that, I'm sure that either group can find things to appreciate in the other. I'm sure I'm not the first - or last - person to bring this up though. Barry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > Barry > Your kits ( http://www.grandrivermodels.com/home.html ) are excellent, and > I recommend them to all who want realistic-looking structures. But this is > the "S-Trains" list, where realism takes second place to preserving an old > toy train system called American Flyer. The S modellers who value realism > over any specific brand of train are on the "S-Scale" list. > > But please also note, NO ONE on either list recommends putting O SCALE cars > on S gauge trucks and running them on an S scale railroad. In the world of > 3-rail O GAUGE trains, dominated by Lionel and Mike's Train House, there > is a lot of rolling stock that is not O SCALE, they are smaller and > frequently close to S scale. Sometimes we find it necessary to narrow them > down a bit before we put on the S scale trucks and couplers. I could list > lots of them, maybe I will in a separate message. I'll just mention one > here that hasn't been mentioned yet, a Mike's Train House gondola. It has > an inside length of about 56½ S scale feet. Alex Binkley narrowed one down, > did a lot more work like putting correct S scale ladders on it, put it in > the model contest at a national S convention a few years ago, and had a > winner. I just dug mine out and moved it higher in my to-do pile. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > > > T >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50093	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify

Steve, Thanks for the reply. Please send photos of the ones you have to mo2337@.... Thanks, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: boss31@...: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:06:52 -0400Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help identify Larry,I don't recognize the tools you have as Flyer ones. I have all the Flyer wheel cups and the press for using them. None of them are like the ones you have there. If you like, I can send photos of them for comparison purposes.SteveSnS Trains, BoiseIn a message dated 09/07/2008 6:04:28 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mo2337@... writes:To the group, I have posted 2 pictures in our groups photo albums, at the following link, http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/4e6d. Does anyone recognize these and can tell me what they are? I purchased a collection sometime back and there was a tool box involved in the transaction. These were in the tool box. I am guessing they are used somehow with loco drive wheels, but I do not know if they are used with Flyer or Lionel. The gentleman I purchased from, repaired both. If indeed they are for use with drive wheels, does anyone know the proper procedure for using them? Thanks for any help, Larry Moore__________________________________________________________See how Windows Mobile brings your life together�at home, work, or on the go.http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/%5bNon-text portions of this message have been removed]------------------------------------Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50094	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: CONVERTING O to S

This just adds a new dimension & more of a challenges to our hobby. If it looks good to you, run it. Model Railroading is fun. Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m7tDwAhOvNJwwbQHMReIbI46PvnFnkJ56prB2D1F3vrwZ5p/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50095	From: G C	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S

Barry, would the term proportion be acceptable. After all Flyer was made at 3/16th to the inch for the most part. True the width of some locomotives were too wide, while the length was closer to scale. By the way, even the "scale folks" can't agree on what scale means. I know that when I took drafting in school we had to write the scale of the drawing on our work. That is simply the proportion.   Not trying to fight you on this, but that is always the problem with words, they can mean different things to different people. For me Flyer was for the most parts close to scale, but it was certainly not always stereotypically accurate. I would say that Marx or K-Line is not to scale, but it can be useful if you are trying to emulate a "real" freight car that you would like on your layout. Again that is why I mentioned the tank car thing yesterday.   It is difficult for some of us who seem to fall between the S Trains and the Scale Groups. I think that is what Hi Rail can be all about. What do you call the thing we run our trains on? Is it not a model railroad?   Anyway who cares as long as we are having fun!   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50096	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: TERMINOLOGY ( Was "Question on converting O to S" )

----- Original Message ----- From: "G C" <ecphora123@...> > By the way, even the "scale folks" > can't agree on what scale means. I know that when I took drafting in school we > had to write the scale of the drawing on our work. That is simply the proportion. >Not trying to fight you on this, but that is always the problem with words, they > can mean different things to different people. For me Flyer was for the most > parts close to scale, but it was certainly not always stereotypically accurate. I > would say that Marx or K-Line is not to scale, but it can be useful if you are > trying to emulate a "real" freight car that you would like on your layout. Again > that is why I mentioned the tank car thing yesterday. > It is difficult for some of us who seem to fall between the S Trains and the Scale > Groups. I think that is what Hi Rail can be all about. What do you call the thing > we run our trains on? Is it not a model railroad? > Anyway who cares as long as we are having fun! > Gene Cimino Gene (and all), I think the reality is just that nobody can agree on how the term scale should be used. However, we definitely do know what it means. But that's just it... everybody wants to complain when someone else doesn't use a term... any term... the way they think it should be used, when all the while they, themselves have a total disregard for the "traditionally accepted" use of the word, even if that traditional way isn't necessarily politically correct. I'm guilty of it too... I'm a traditionalist in many cases. Take for instance how many people have traditionally referred to "turnouts" as "switches" (I called them "switch-tracks" as a kid)... or how some people refer to "locomotives" as "engines"... we all know what they're talking about, but one of the terms in each case isn't really best at getting the point across. The terms "turnout" and "locomotive" are pretty-much unmistakable in their meaning, but the terms "switch" and "engine" could be a reference to any number of things, even outside of railroad relativity. Now, focusing on the term "scale" and its use... some people (and you know who you are) don't like anything about the term. I don't understand why, but that's just the way they are. However, the traditional use of the term in this hobby, politically correct or not, has been that it refers to models whose size and shape has a much greater level of fidelity to the size/shape of the prototype. Take it or leave it, agree with it or not, that is the way the term has been traditionally used in every scale of model railroading I have ever dabbled in. And to the chagrin of others, that's the way I'm planning to use it 'til I find something I like better or until I die... or until the traditionally accepted use of it changes and I am left with no choice. But I think its fair to say that if we're gonna bicker and debate over the use of the term "scale", then lets also debate over the use of "engine" and "switch" vs. "locomotive" and "turnout." Lets wring it all out in the wosh and settle it all, once and for all. That ain't gonna happen... is it? Nope. So... on with tradition... Now... as for the term "Gauge"... FORGET IT!!! I ain't even goin' there...not in S scale, anyway! That term is a hopeless cause! John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50097	From: Jim King	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: New S scale products coming soon

There will be 3 new S scale products released over the next 3 weeks; place your paid orders now to ensure speedy delivery. 1. Southern Ry. 53' waffle side boxcar, a 1974 Pullman product. This is the largest car I've produced so far, has more separate details than other cars and will include my first trucks, a fully sprung Barber style with rotating end caps (also sold separately; see below). Hundreds of these cars are still running all over the country wearing (weathered) original the SOUTHERN scheme, modified "stick" lettering and a couple versions of NS. Price is $80 loaded, $70 less t/c. Available early October. 2. Barber 100-ton roller bearing trucks: a 1960-ish design; 36" brass wheels with bright Nickel plated tires and injection molded ABS centers; wheelsets are assembled and gauged; sideframes & bolsters are pressure-cast urethane for maximum detail; Kadee springs complete the package. Wheelbase is 5'10". This is an "industry first" because the end caps ROTATE with the axle (and that 36" wheels are used). There are 2 styles (triangular and hex) for folks modeling trucks that have had wheelsets swapped out over the years. Pricing is $17.50 for a pair, $47.50 for 3 pairs. These are easy to assemble kits that require only some patience, a little CA and paint. Available first at the Hickory NC train show this Saturday (sold at the Old Fort Model Trains table); available for shipment on 9/16. 3. Barber "S-2-C" 70-ton roller bearing trucks: a 1957-ish design with 33" wheels. All construction is the same as above but with a shorter wheelbase (5'8") and narrower bolster because of a smaller "spring package", just as on the prototype. Pricing is the same as the 100-ton trucks. This item will be available mid-October. My web site will be updated late next showing the waffle box pilot model; the 100-ton trucks will be on-line about Tuesday or Wednesday. 70-ton trucks will appear in mid/late October. Place your order now to ensure getting YOUR kits early. I accept Visa/MC (call with your CC info), checks, MO, and PayPal (you can order from my web site). It's best to contact me before ordering so I can calculate the proper shipping amount. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50098	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: ebay question

There is a 21140 AF engine for sale on Ebay. It has no reserve. The seller states that if it does not sell well, he will not re-list it. To me, that means if it does not sale for the type of money he is looking for, he will not let it go to the winner at the end of the auction for the price won. Is that legal with ebay, to not sell a item won without a reserve? Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50099	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: ebay question

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > There is a 21140 AF engine for sale on Ebay. > > It has no reserve. > > The seller states that if it does not sell well, he will not re-list it. > > To me, that means if it does not sale for the type of money he is > looking for, he will not let it go to the winner at the end of the > auction for the price won. > > Is that legal with ebay, to not sell a item won without a reserve? Yes, and it looks like this seller put buyers on notice just as you have interpreted him. Failing to buy however, is against Ebay rules, is a breach of contract.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50100	From: Trains	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: roll-up corrugated warehouse doors

Any who are interested, I finally cleaned all the boxes (packing it all up) off the layout top to get to the warehouse and its doors. I have taken digital photo's and they are yours for asking, be aware that these are not small files and will send you one at a time to not bog everything down. I will also post this to my web site as time permits. site: www.trains-4-u.com Thanks Peter Loeb, in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50101	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: TERMINOLOGY (Was converting O to S gauge)

You guys have hit the nail on the head...we have an ongoing terminology problem...who was it that said "the British and the Americans are two peoples separated by a common language"? In our case SCALE means that we are working in either "approxiamte" 3/16" scale proportions as in American Flyer and things thus compatable, OR "exact" 3/16" scale. And then there's various "flavors" in between, such as using scale trucks and couplers on Flyer cars or scale cars with Flyer compatable trucks and couplers! On the other hand, you can't exactly say we are all in S GAUGE, because that is generally descriptive of S Scale Standard Gauge, and there are a lot of folks doing Narrow Gauge too. A TURNOUT is a set of tracks spliting the route. A SWITCH can either be a turnout or possibly an electrical switch. Yet, here are two terms used interchangably by the real railroad industry too. A LOCOMOTIVE can also be an ENGINE either steam or diesel. You could have both a diesel locomotive, or a diesel engine, likewise a steam locomotive or a steam engine. Both are used in prototypical railroad parlance. Actually, the locomotive is a self powered device which moves on a railroad, while an engine is the power source for the locomotive's movement. Don't worry, it's not just toy/model railroaders who have this problem...In the automotive world ENGINE and MOTOR are often used interchangably as well. However, an ENGINE denotes combustion of some kind, while a MOTOR is an electrical device. Stumpy Stone...dodging rain drops in eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50102	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: More word games...

Uh, oh, now y'all have got me thinking! (Often a bad thing for a deranged mind!) ;-) Not only do we have a problem with the term SCALE, we can't decide what we're doing here to start with! For instance...If you collect and run only American Flyer, you are into TOY trains. Years ago you would be into TINPLATE trains. Yet if you play with Postwar Flyer, there's very little tin involved! The term TINPLATE evolved from the era of Pre-war toy trains which were then predominatly made of tin, and the term just hung on for years. Then there are those who combine toy and scale trains, and this is called HI-RAIL. Here is another old term which used to describe folks who would build "model railroads" by modifying toy locos and rolling stock or scratch building bodies to "scale" and using toy track, wheels, and couplers. Therefore the term HI-RAIL because the wheel flanges and rail height were too big for exact scale. This was a term which came from O Gaugers mainly. IN S gauge, we get into trouble because American Flyer trains fit two catagories! They are TOY trains, but fit the description of HI-RAIL because they were made so close to actual scale! Years ago folks refitted Flyer with SCALE trucks and couplers, ran them on SCALE track, and they were considered SCALE trains, not HI-RAIL or TOY trains. Aren't word games fun? I'll bet now you're really confused! And I haven't really got into it all yet! Stumpy Stone...I think I've been at this too long...in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50103	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Allentown Train Show

Probably Tom David; he has an ebay store The Great Train Escape at http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/aftrainmann_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Some of his pictures are on TheGilbertGallery.org. --- On Wed, 9/10/08, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Allentown Train Show To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 4:00 PM I met a dealer at a train show last name was DAVID.  is he still around?   Any body heard of him? --- On Wed, 9/10/08, robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: robert hendrickson <canambob91710k@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Allentown Train Show To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 9:44 AM The last show there had about 3 or 4 dedicated S guage guys plus a smattering of S on various tables. The only vendor name that pops into my mind is Mike Rosenberg. Bob Hendrickson --- On Wed, 9/10/08, John Keating <john_keating@ sbcglobal. net> wrote: From: John Keating <john_keating@ sbcglobal. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Allentown Train Show To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 10:26 AM Good Morning Listers, Can anyone advise me on the number of AF S dealers that usually attend the Allentown Train Show as posted here recently for the Sunday portion of the show. Thank you in advance. John Keating [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50104	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S

When I read these exchanges on terminology, it brings a chuckle as I remember a sign posted on an HO layout at a show in Denver. It read: "These are NOT 'toys'! These are precision models!!" The guy sounded so serious - so indignant - that I'm sure he turned off the "Average Joe" there to just enjoy the show. Maybe he didn't want to be confused with Flyer-Lionel-Marx that sometimes are referred to as "Toy Trains", but the way it was worded sure didn't come across well - more like he didn't want to be thought of as "playing with toys." I sure hope he allows himself to have just a wee bit of fun just playing sometimes! :) Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Barry" <f7_9159@...> > Tom; > > I see what you are saying. But I do think that the S-gauge crowd needs to > differentiate > themselves by removing the words "scale" and "model" from their vocabulary. > These > terms, by their very definitions, generally do not apply when people are > combining > equipment that is clearly not made to one standard. > > For clarification: > model: A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail > another, often larger > object. > scale: A proportion used in determining the dimensional relationship of a > representation > to that which it represents > > "Model" is a term that S-gaugers could probably get away with. "Scale" is > likely not. > > I also think it it important to differentiate between the two when it comes to > things like > layout tours and train shows when there is clearly a difference between the type > of trains > being displayed or sold. That's not to say that they both can't appear in the > same venue, > but, for example, if a train show features mainly S-gauge (American Flyer) > toys, it should > be clearly advertised as such. > > I hate to contribute to a split in the hobby, but it seems to me that S-scalers > and S- > gaugers are working towards completly different goals in their hobbies. Having > said that, > I'm sure that either group can find things to appreciate in the other. > > I'm sure I'm not the first - or last - person to bring this up though. > > Barry > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > > > Barry > > Your kits ( http://www.grandrivermodels.com/home.html ) are excellent, and > > I recommend them to all who want realistic-looking structures. But this is > > the "S-Trains" list, where realism takes second place to preserving an old > > toy train system called American Flyer. The S modellers who value realism > > over any specific brand of train are on the "S-Scale" list. > > > > But please also note, NO ONE on either list recommends putting O SCALE cars > > on S gauge trucks and running them on an S scale railroad. In the world of > > 3-rail O GAUGE trains, dominated by Lionel and Mike's Train House, there > > is a lot of rolling stock that is not O SCALE, they are smaller and > > frequently close to S scale. Sometimes we find it necessary to narrow them > > down a bit before we put on the S scale trucks and couplers. I could list > > lots of them, maybe I will in a separate message. I'll just mention one > > here that hasn't been mentioned yet, a Mike's Train House gondola. It has > > an inside length of about 56� S scale feet. Alex Binkley narrowed one down, > > did a lot more work like putting correct S scale ladders on it, put it in > > the model contest at a national S convention a few years ago, and had a > > winner. I just dug mine out and moved it higher in my to-do pile. > > > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > > > > > > > T > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50105	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY ( Was "Question on converting O to S" )

John, Terminology use in the 1:64 world is SIMPLE - at least compared to the G-scale-gauge-or-whatever world of the garden railway folks! GBG! Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42 and Hn42 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Degnan Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] TERMINOLOGY ( Was "Question on converting O to S" ) Big snip --- But I think its fair to say that if we're gonna bicker and debate over the use of the term "scale", then lets also debate over the use of "engine" and "switch" vs. "locomotive" and "turnout." Lets wring it all out in the wosh and settle it all, once and for all. That ain't gonna happen... is it? Nope. So... on with tradition... Now... as for the term "Gauge"... FORGET IT!!! I ain't even goin' there...not in S scale, anyway! That term is a hopeless cause! John Degnan Scaler164@... <mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50106	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: More word games...

Just to make it worse. You can have a scale model but if you are not running it prototypically to timetables, or carrying out a full operation like shunting or marshalling a train, it is a toy! And you can run a toy railroad and if it is in scale length for sections and run to a real life timetable, even though it uses tinplate locos and rolling stock, then it is a model railroad and not a toy! (There was a very long outdoors layout down here in South Australia in the 1950's, using clockwork tinplate, that did just that!) BTW we in the former British Empire do not have trouble with naming turnouts - they are all Points. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] More word games... Uh, oh, now y'all have got me thinking! (Often a bad thing for a deranged mind!) ;-) Not only do we have a problem with the term SCALE, we can't decide what we're doing here to start with! For instance...If you collect and run only American Flyer, you are into TOY trains. Years ago you would be into TINPLATE trains. Yet if you play with Postwar Flyer, there's very little tin involved! The term TINPLATE evolved from the era of Pre-war toy trains which were then predominatly made of tin, and the term just hung on for years. Then there are those who combine toy and scale trains, and this is called HI-RAIL. Here is another old term which used to describe folks who would build "model railroads" by modifying toy locos and rolling stock or scratch building bodies to "scale" and using toy track, wheels, and couplers. Therefore the term HI-RAIL because the wheel flanges and rail height were too big for exact scale. This was a term which came from O Gaugers mainly. IN S gauge, we get into trouble because American Flyer trains fit two catagories! They are TOY trains, but fit the description of HI-RAIL because they were made so close to actual scale! Years ago folks refitted Flyer with SCALE trucks and couplers, ran them on SCALE track, and they were considered SCALE trains, not HI-RAIL or TOY trains. Aren't word games fun? I'll bet now you're really confused! And I haven't really got into it all yet! Stumpy Stone...I think I've been at this too long...in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50107	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: MEDCO BELL RETURNS

Medco bell returns The historic artifact from a Medco locomotive was left at the Medford Railroad Park Tuesday Text Size: _A_ (javascript:textSize('-')) | _A_ (javascript:textSize('0')) | _A_ (javascript:textSize('+')) _Print this Article_ (javascript://) _Email this Article_ (javascript://) _Respond to this Article_ (http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs. dll/article?AID=/20080912/NEWS/809120327#respond) _ShareThis_ (http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080912/NEWS/809120327&emailAFriend=1#) _Photo 1 of 1 | Zoom Photo +_ (javascript:NewWindow(870,625,window.document.location+'&Template=photos');) (javascript:NewWindow(870,625,window.document.location+'&Template=photos');) Jerry Hellinga, a member of the Southern Oregon Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society, secures a historic bell on the boiler of Medco’s Locomotive No. 4 at the Medford Railroad Park. The bell was taken from another Medco engine 50 years ago and anonymously returned Tuesday.Jamie Lusch By STACEY BARCHENGER Mail Tribune September 12, 2008 A cast metal bell stolen in the night from a Medco locomotive has mysteriously surfaced 50 years later — outside the Medford Railroad Park. The bell had sat on the boiler of Medford Corporation's No. 2 locomotive, used to haul logs from the company's stands in the Butte Falls area to its expansive mill in north Medford, before the engine was retired in the 1950s. Related Stories * _Stolen bell returned after 50 years_ (http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080912/MEDIA03/80911002) Park volunteer Tony Johnson discovered the wayward bell Tuesday after he received an early morning call on his cell phone asking for a private tour from a man who didn't identify himself. Johnson is a member of the Southern Oregon Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society and president of the Southern Oregon Live Steamers, two of five organizations that operate the park. It's not unusual for him to receive calls, Johnson said, because his phone number is posted on the fence at the park, which is open only on the second and fourth Sundays of the month. Johnson was at the park at about 8 a.m. when a Jeep Cherokee backed up to the park's shop, used to house supplies and restoration projects. As Johnson headed toward the front gate, the Jeep pulled away and he returned to his work. Ten minutes later, he received another call — from a pay phone, he later found out when trying to call back — from an anonymous man who said he dropped off a bell from a steam engine at the park. The bell, a Willamette Iron and Steel original, was in three pieces and came with a note explaining the antique's loaded history. "The saga of the Medco locomotive bell" began the anonymous letter, which explained that Medco had retired Locomotive No. 2 in 1958 to be used for scrap metal. But two young couples were determined to preserve the bell. Led in their "well-planned and altruistic operation" by a man identified only as "Jon," the crew headed out to Medco Camp. "Jon could not stand the thought of such a relic being dropped into a melting furnace," the letter said. The bell stayed with Jon through stints in the U.S. Navy, college and a move to San Francisco, the letter said. The letter writer stayed mostly in the Rogue Valley. "I knew of an old Medco engine that was donated to the city of Medford, and placed in Jackson Park, only to slowly deteriorate due to weather and vandalism. I don't know if it was the same one from which we liberated the bell, though," the letter said. The engine was Medco's No. 4 locomotive, which was given to the city, put in Jackson Park and then given to the local railway historical society in 1986. Medco used the No. 4 engine about the same time as the No. 2, from which the bell was taken. The mill closed in 1993. After a recent trip to the Bay Area and a visit with Jon's widow, the letter writer decided to bring the bell back. The four fiends have nothing to worry about, said Jerry Hellinga, a member of the railway society. Hellinga has two almost identical 1950s pictures of Locomotive No. 2, except for one difference: in one picture, the bell is there; in the other, it's missing. "It was stealing," Hellinga said. "But we don't care," Johnson said. "We're just happy to have the bell back." The bell was kept in excellent condition, Johnson said. "It probably looks better now than it did then." The brass bell and cast metal yoke and stand weigh between 100 and 150 pounds, Hellinga said, and are valuable to collectors, though he didn't name a price. Hellinga used a forklift to place the bell on the No. 4 locomotive, which is being restored, at the Railroad Park on Thursday, but said it will be removed to ensure history doesn't repeat itself. "It's gonna go someplace for safekeeping," said Hellinga, declining to say where. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50108	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: MEDCO BELL

_http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080912/NEWS/809120327 &emailAFriend=1_ (http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080912/NEWS/809120327&emailAFriend=1) This is a cut & paste deal. The Medco bell has been returned after 50 years!! Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50109	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY ( Was "Question on converting O to S" )

You have a VERY good point! I'm SO GLAD I'm not in that scale... or should I say "THOSE SCALES", since nothing in what is referred to as G scale is the same size! John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don & Marsha Munsey Jr" <dmunseyjr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] TERMINOLOGY ( Was "Question on converting O to S" ) > John, > > Terminology use in the 1:64 world is SIMPLE - at least compared to the > G-scale-gauge-or-whatever world of the garden railway folks! > > GBG!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50110	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S

Now hold on there, Jim... I don't think that's fair of you to say at all about this seller whom you don't know from a hill of beans. And what you just said actually comes across to me as more indignant than what you perceived this seller to be. My point is this... how do you KNOW this guy was trying to be "indignant" (as you put it)? Isn't it possible that he was simply advertising to a different market (crowd) than the others around him were, and was just trying to make himself stand out in the crowd to those other (indignant) folks who might just want his models? I don't think you're being fair at all here. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <jimensign50@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Barry" <f7_9159@...> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Question on converting O to S When I read these exchanges on terminology, it brings a chuckle as I remember a sign posted on an HO layout at a show in Denver. It read: "These are NOT 'toys'! These are precision models!!" The guy sounded so serious - so indignant - that I'm sure he turned off the "Average Joe" there to just enjoy the show. Maybe he didn't want to be confused with Flyer-Lionel-Marx that sometimes are referred to as "Toy Trains", but the way it was worded sure didn't come across well - more like he didn't want to be thought of as "playing with toys." I sure hope he allows himself to have just a wee bit of fun just playing sometimes! :) Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50111	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY

----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone A TURNOUT is a set of tracks spliting the route. A SWITCH can either be a turnout or possibly an electrical switch. > > > > > > > > > And we don't even agree on that. I've heard that a turnout is the entire assemblage of components, points, frog, closure rails, stock rails, and guard rails. Whereas the switch is only the moving components, the points and the mechanism that moves the points. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50112	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY (Was converting O to S gauge)

True, Stumpy... but I don't hear too many (if any) folks in the auto industry complaining about the terminology used by every individual like we have here. Even so... if you tell someone you model in S "Gauge," a justified question you could be asked in turn would be "Yes, but what 'scale'?" John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:TERMINOLOGY (Was converting O to S gauge) > Don't worry, it's not just toy/model railroaders who have this > problem...In the automotive world ENGINE and MOTOR are often used > interchangably as well. However, an ENGINE denotes combustion of > some kind, while a MOTOR is an electrical device. > Stumpy Stone...dodging rain drops in eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50113	From: William Porter	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY Jargon and Hi-Jacking the Language

Hi Folks, I enjoy this discussion as the subject has been on my mind in one way or another for over 50 years. I used to get angry when someone with an interest in precise-looking miniatures would say they were not 'Toy Trains'. Well, all of these things are toy trains. Switch versus turnuout is an editorial convenience to avoid constantly publishing 'electrical switch'. For a long time real railroaders didn't recognize the term turnout. Now, a lot of kids who grew up in the Model Railroader era to become real railroaders recognize it and use it. Language grows and adapts over time. In my case, I am working on a 1:64 size railroad with both S-Gauge (2-rail) and O-Gauge (3-rail) tracks. I try to have scenic items all fit a scale of 3/16ths of an inch per foot. If people ask me about my hobby, I say I am a model railroader. I will even say I have S-Scale trains even though my couplers and flanges are over-sized and some of my track has a center rail. I avoid the annual "Prototype Rails" conventions a couple of hours north of here because of the excessive scale bigotry I find there. Some exellent modellers attend and show equally excellent models. But, if one says 'toy train' at a gathering like that, is is pariah-city. A discourse like that of brother Barry makes no sense to me. It is a way to divide some of us and the general population from a few others by changing the definition of common words to have a much narrower meaning. Rather than clarifing communication, such changes tend to obscure and inhibit communication. To me, it sounds like Snake Oil in place of Science; us against them; the cognisceti versus the ignorant with a very narrow definition of knowledge. I'm not sure I've never met a toy train I didn't like. Bill Reply from Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50114	From: G C	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: More word games...

O.K. if one builds / makes an object on which every single item / part is in perfect proportion / scale to the prototype / real thing and it then is placed on display at a museum of industry, is it a model, toy or just what do you call it?     More importantly, I read an interesting article a few years ago by someone who was an actual railroad engineer (do we still call people who operate locomotives / engines that?). Anyway, he mentioned that very few so called model railroads were able to capture what he called the "real feeling" of a railroad. He went on to say that it didn't matter if it was perfectly to scale. What was more important was the visual effect of the thing. Stuff like weathering, an attempt at scenery, appropriate structures, figures and other details creating "the look" of the thing. John Armstrong, I believe, said that trains were the actors on a stage. The model railroad being that stage.   The feeling that is generated by a toy / model train is far more important than whether every stinking detail is to scale. I've seen AF Casey Jones toys that were pained and weathered so well, that you're eyes forgot to see all the flaws of proportion or scale. In other words it walked and talked like a locomotive, yet it was only a toy.   Maybe creativity is the thing here and not just how well or not our toys represent reality.   Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50115	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S

You're right -- I don't know the guy (or guys) that put up the sign from a hill of beans. Come to think about it, I've never even met a hill of beans, let alone know one well. :) All I am relating is how the sign came across to me. I'm pretty sure I'm entitled to form my own impressions, just as you are. I'm sorry if I came across as being indignant about the sign - I wasn't then, and I'm not now. I think the whole discussion is somewhat trivial and not worth the time spent arguing about. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> > Now hold on there, Jim... I don't think that's fair of you to say at all > about this seller whom you don't know from a hill of beans. And what you > just said actually comes across to me as more indignant than what you > perceived this seller to be. My point is this... how do you KNOW this guy > was trying to be "indignant" (as you put it)? Isn't it possible that he was > simply advertising to a different market (crowd) than the others around him > were, and was just trying to make himself stand out in the crowd to those > other (indignant) folks who might just want his models? > > I don't think you're being fair at all here. > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jimensign50@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: "Barry" <f7_9159@...> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Question on converting O to S > > > When I read these exchanges on terminology, it brings a chuckle as I > remember a sign posted on an HO layout at a show in Denver. It read: > "These are NOT 'toys'! These are precision models!!" The guy sounded so > serious - so indignant - that I'm sure he turned off the "Average Joe" > there to just enjoy the show. Maybe he didn't want to be confused with > Flyer-Lionel-Marx that sometimes are referred to as "Toy Trains", but the > way it was worded sure didn't come across well - more like he didn't want to > be thought of as "playing with toys." I sure hope he allows himself to > have just a wee bit of fun just playing sometimes! :) > > Jim E. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50116	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S

I thought we were "discussing"... not argueing...?!? Anyway... I have never met a hill of beans, either.... but I have always wanted to! I have met a few beanpoles in my day, though... John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <jimensign50@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Question on converting O to S > You're right -- I don't know the guy (or guys) that put up the sign from a hill of beans. Come to think about it, I've never even met a hill of beans, let alone know one well. :) All I am relating is how the sign came across to me. I'm pretty sure I'm entitled to form my own impressions, just as you are. I'm sorry if I came across as being indignant about the sign - I wasn't then, and I'm not now. I think the whole discussion is somewhat trivial and not worth the time spent arguing about. > Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50117	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Last Call on my NASG Photos

Hi All, I can tell when my internet storage is getting near capacity because things don't upload well. I am deleting my Lowell 2008 NASG convention photos tomorrow night at about 8:00 PM eastern. http://www.lanestrains.com/NASG_2008.zip For the casual person it is not needed now since I put 60 photos on my new NASG conventions 3 page. http://www.lanestrains.com/NASG_Conventions_3.htm It is 3.5 GB of unedited photos and some short video clips. (Yes that is GIGABYTES - don't even consider trying it on a dial up connection) It is everything I shot while I was there full strength. You need a ZIP program http://www.winzip.com/index.htm to unzip the file when you are done the download. I am not sure if I included a folder for "banquet & auction". Those 10+ photos and the 1 video have issues that won't allow them to open. I have tried various programs and suggestions without success. They may be broken forever. If the download does not work or is really slow don't email me. I am not getting involved with something I am giving away. Just make sure you are done the download by 8:00 tomorrow night. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50118	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify

The picture isn't real clear, but I'm sure those are just wheel cups for pressing/quartering wheels onto axles. I have a set of those too. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50119	From: T Larson	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Injection Molding

Since injection molded parts and die cast parts are such a large part of our hobby, I have been looking for an on-line site that clearly shows some of the basics of these manufacturing methods.  I found a good one for injection molding. http://www.custompartnet.com/wu/InjectionMolding I have not found a similar site for diecasting, but look at the drawing of an injection mold http://www.custompartnet.com/wu/InjectionMolding#tooling I have worked with toolmakers who told me that diecast dies are VERY similar.  Also in this section http://www.custompartnet.com/wu/InjectionMolding#process_cycle look at the large red drawing and note the difference between a sprue and a runner, and how they channel the supply of plastic (or metal) to the part. Ted Larson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50120	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Can't we all just get along?

This discussion of terminology points out that what we really differ on is how we look at our hobby. You can be just as serious about collecting as you can be about scale modeling, or you can be laid back about both. Or like me, somewhere in between. Yeah, I know a lot about the prototype, and I know which trains are collectable, and I've been a model railroader my whole life. However, there are times I just don't care, I do something because it's fun. Why else would I spend the time to customize a Casey Jones? It will certainly never be in "scale" or a valuable "collectable", heck it will never be more than a piece of that well known substance you step in from time to time! But I enjoyed doing it. The beauty of this group is that we get a taste of everything, be it collecting, scale modeling, or just plain "playing with trains." Each member brings a passion for their part of the world of S gauge/scale/size/pick the term of your choice. I admit, there are times I tend to go off my meds and rail against "scale snobs," or "rabid collectors," or other self appointed experts. I'm passionate about the hobby too! The thing about any hobby is that you keep it a hobby, fun. Never take it or yourself too serious. And play nice with the other kids. Stumpy Stone...I feel so mellow today...must be my medications.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50121	From: John	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S

Hey John I have a few 'round tuits' left over I'll trade you if you ever find a hill of beans!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Question on converting O to S >I thought we were "discussing"... not argueing...?!? > > Anyway... I have never met a hill of beans, either.... but I have always > wanted to! I have met a few beanpoles in my day, though... > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jimensign50@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:14 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Question on converting O to S > > >> You're right -- I don't know the guy (or guys) that put up the sign from >> a > hill of beans. Come to think about it, I've never even met a hill of > beans, let alone know one well. :) All I am relating is how the sign > came > across to me. I'm pretty sure I'm entitled to form my own impressions, > just as you are. I'm sorry if I came across as being indignant about the > sign - I wasn't then, and I'm not now. I think the whole discussion is > somewhat trivial and not worth the time spent arguing about. >> Jim E. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50122	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can't we all just get along?

I have to agree with what Stumpy says below... but at the same time, it is this same reasoning that must be remembered by those in this scale who are so dead set against the progression of this scale into better things. These people need to remember that just because "they" may not "want" or "need" a newer, better "THING" of any kind, that doesn't mean that there aren't others out here who DO want and/or need these things. It is only up to each individual to decide that... nobody else. Therefore... if S scale is, as Stumpy puts it below, the scale where "we get a taste of everything," then that means that "everyone" should be able to have that "everything" that they, as an individual, want or need, without the intervention, input or complaints of those who don't want it. If you don't want one... good, don't buy it. But don't tell me that I can't have it because you don't think I, or the scale need it. Why? Because I am also a member of this scale, and my vote is equal to yours. I'm done. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Can't we all just get along? > This discussion of terminology points out that what we really differ > on is how we look at our hobby. You can be just as serious about > collecting as you can be about scale modeling, or you can be laid > back about both. Or like me, somewhere in between. > Yeah, I know a lot about the prototype, and I know which trains are > collectable, and I've been a model railroader my whole life. > However, there are times I just don't care, I do something because > it's fun. > Why else would I spend the time to customize a Casey Jones? It will > certainly never be in "scale" or a valuable "collectable", heck it > will never be more than a piece of that well known substance you step > in from time to time! But I enjoyed doing it. > The beauty of this group is that we get a taste of everything, be it > collecting, scale modeling, or just plain "playing with trains." > Each member brings a passion for their part of the world of S > gauge/scale/size/pick the term of your choice. > I admit, there are times I tend to go off my meds and rail > against "scale snobs," or "rabid collectors," or other self appointed > experts. I'm passionate about the hobby too! > The thing about any hobby is that you keep it a hobby, fun. Never > take it or yourself too serious. And play nice with the other kids. > Stumpy Stone...I feel so mellow today...must be my medications. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50123	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: All Aboard set price question.

Anyone know why this All Aboard set sold so high? Is there an increase in interest and value for All Aboard? Ebay Auction # 130250921981 Thanks, David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50124	From: zdava	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Video here!!! . . new AF layout

Over labor day weekend, I visited my brother in Allentown PA and we set up a small AF layout. Was great fun! AF video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwyNi79FJUM AF pics of same layout: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30305057@N02/ Hope you enjoy! Dave in Atlanta (aka drummer3)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50125	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Fall S Fest

Group, "On the Road to Milwaukee", that's the theme for this year's Fall S Fest. Hard to believe, but it will be here in just 2 months. That means time is running out to get registered. The Badgerland S Gaugers are hosting this year's Fall S Fest in MIlwaukee, Wisconsin November 14th through 16th. This is one of the largest gathering of "exclusively S" events in the country, so don't miss out. Fall S Fest will be held at the beautiful Wyndham Airport Hotel & Convention Center, 4747 S. Howell Avenue, Milwaukee, WI. This hotel has easy access from both I-94 and I-43. It also has free shuttles from the Milwaukee Airport as well as the new Airport AMTRAK station. We have arranged a room rate of $89.00 per night, just mention Fall S Fest when making a reservation. Hurry, since this rate is only good through October 30, 2008. The trading room is over 14,000 square feet, which means all vendors and manufacturers will be in one room. This year's S Fest car is the famous Waukesha "WEBER Beer" reefer. Only a limited number have been produced. You must register to purchase these cars. Our banquet speaker is Mr. Dave Myers. Dave was a military railroad engineer. Dave will speak of his experiences as well as the history of Military Railroading. Sunday will feature self-guided home layout tours. 6 layouts will be on display. For those who arrive on Thursday, a few of these layouts will be open on Thursday evening. There is something for everyone. Clinics, women's activities, tours, good fun and conversation. For complete information, visit our web site: www.trainweb.org/bsg See you in Milwaukee. "Sincerely, Steve Lunde 2008 S Fest Chairman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50126	From: Stan S.	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY

> A TURNOUT is a set of tracks spliting the route. A SWITCH can either > be a turnout or possibly an electrical switch. > > > > > > > > > > > And we don't even agree on that. I've heard that a turnout is the > entire assemblage of components, points, frog, closure rails, stock > rails, and guard rails. Whereas the switch is only the moving > components, the points and the mechanism that moves the points. > Information from a company that actually makes and sells the stuff: http://www.lbfoster.com/uploadedFiles/Asset_Images/Turnouts.pdf http://www.lbfoster.com/uploadedFiles/Asset_Images/Switches.pdf These guys disagree with the theory that "turnout" was a term invented by Model Railroader: http://www.atlantictrack.com/company.html Stan Stokrocki

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50127	From: G C	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: For Stumpy

A little something for Stumpy:   All day all night Mr Stumpy Man   Down in his work shop bashing them   No Flyer ever goes in the can   Out comes an engine lookin like a gem     Written by  A Naughty Mouse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50128	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Question on converting O to S

You got a deal! John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <beebear@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Question on converting O to S > Hey John > > I have a few 'round tuits' left over I'll trade you if you > ever find a hill of beans!! > > John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50129	From: Bill Drake	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.

Maybe it was the plasticville church and the extra airplanes?   Bill Drake --- On Sat, 9/13/08, David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> Subject: [S-Trains] All Aboard set price question. To: "s-trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 1:37 PM Anyone know why this All Aboard set sold so high? Is there an increase in interest and value for All Aboard? Ebay Auction # 130250921981 Thanks, David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50130	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Turnout TERMINOLOGY

----- Original Message ----- From: Stan S. > Information from a company that actually makes and sells the stuff: http://www.lbfoster.com/uploadedFiles/Asset_Images/Switches.pdf L B Foster seems to agree with me. Quoting from the above - "Please note a switch is just one portion of the turnout which includes a frog, guard rails, closure rails and switch stock rails." endquote Tom Hawley These guys disagree with the theory that "turnout" was a term invented by Model Railroader: http://www.atlantictrack.com/company.html Stan Stokrocki

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50131	From: Eric R.	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Warning - S Items for sale

I need to clean out some space on the layout to run trains. These seem to be items that are going to be left on shelves so I am clearing them out. 1. DesPlaines 53 ft box car Ralston Purina RPCX213 both size wheels kadee couplers.like new original box $37.50 shipped usa48 2. Desplaines 53 ft boxcar Union Pacific 451294 both size wheels, kadee couplers. like new original box $37.50 shipped48 both $70 shipped 3. American models Engine....SD60 UP 6353 wide cab, dc power scale wheels kadee couplers, like new, has been run, may have original box, $195 shipped to usa48 4. American Models Engine....SD60 BNSF 9299, wide cab, DC power, hi-rail wheels, am dummy "scale size" couplers have original box $195 shipped to usa48 I may have some large couplers that would work on these if wanted. Both $380 shipped USA48. 5. American Models / NASG Set of 3 long length Pullman heavyweight passenger cars. 1 each 10-1-2, 12-1 and cafe car all original paperwork and lettering from NASG, There are also 3 interior kits to go along 2 12s kits and 10-1-2 kit. like new , original boxes, never run, been on shelf... $250 shipped to USA48. Thanks for looking, Please reply off list. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. TCA and NASG since 1987 Paypal, Money order and checks (wait for clearance) work. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50132	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY

A turnout is what a fireman puts on. Mike PS: Not a fireman on a train ( remember when DNA meant Does Not Apply) ? In a message dated 9/13/2008 12:16:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sscale@... writes: > A TURNOUT is a set of tracks spliting the route. A SWITCH can either > be a turnout or possibly an electrical switch. > > > > > > > > > > > And we don't even agree on that. I've heard that a turnout is the > entire assemblage of components, points, frog, closure rails, stock > rails, and guard rails. Whereas the switch is only the moving > components, the points and the mechanism that moves the points. > Information from a company that actually makes and sells the stuff: _http://www.lbfosterhttp://www.lbfoshttp://wwhttp://www.lbfoshtt_ (http://www.lbfoster.com/uploadedFiles/Asset_Images/Turnouts.pdf) _http://www.lbfosterhttp://www.lbfoshttp://wwhttp://www.lbfoshtt_ (http://www.lbfoster.com/uploadedFiles/Asset_Images/Switches.pdf) These guys disagree with the theory that "turnout" was a term invented by Model Railroader: _http://www.atlantichttp://wwwhttp://www.a_ (http://www.atlantictrack.com/company.html) Stan Stokrocki **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50133	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/14/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 14, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50134	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Help identify

Doug, I had just about reached that conclusion. Thanks for the input. Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: doug@...: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:44:51 -0400Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Help identify The picture isn't real clear, but I'm sure those are just wheel cups forpressing/quartering wheels onto axles.I have a set of those too.Doug PeckPort Lines Hobby Supply6 Storeybrooke DriveNewburyport, MA 01950-3408www.sgaugetrains.com<file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data\Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com<file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data\Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).978-465-87981-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50135	From: Trains	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: S publication???

OK... I am tired of all the "horse blinder" thinking.....YOU WANT AN S MAGAZINE (and all the S products, repairs, kitbashing, how-too's conversions, adaptations, etc., etc.?) ...well it takes a huge effort and DOES require the input help and contributions of ALL involved with S, regardless of individual preferences. Almost all S items are useable by everyone, regardless of whether you are a SCALE Proto 64 adherant, a narrow gauger, or want your AF pure and use link couplers only! Yes there are differences, SO WHAT?, and some things may not be, in a strict sense, compatible...mostly track specs and couplers. The rest everyone can use, learn about, improve their layout with, solve an electronic issue, learn about scenery, backdrop painting, using HO, N and O components for S and on and on.... The LIMITATION of prejudiced controling thinking and exclusion of one one group inteersts over another groups will potentialy condem a publication in S (and by inferrence S products). Succsess is in quality yes, but truly is in the numbers. There are many examples of sucessful products that cater to ALL aspects of the S community, wheather originally directed toward the "Scale" side or the "AF" side. I believe that any product for our S community should be addressing "ALL" S enthusiats where practical. A publication is usually based on circulation, the bigger the better, it draws more readers, it draws more contributors and it draws more advertising revenue, which is what pays the bills. So if a "NEW" publisher/editor/magazine is going to make it....It should address the entire S community, regardless of personal leanings. If you wnat stuff about your interests..then you send some article, opinion, hint, how-too, etc., etc., to the "NEW" publication. A real world example is an O publication...that originally was called "O-Scale Railroading"...the magazine was OK, but did not try to improve and reflect what was the "O" world overall, when new ownership took over, they immediately saw that a huge part of the 'O" community was not well represented and that they were missing huge potential revenues from advertisers and marketing of their own "O" products (That ALL "O" gaugers could use, wether Proto 48, narrow gauge or Lionel/MTH/ K-Line etc.) The somewhat ho-hum magazine has become the leading force in todays "O" world, and may be the main reason that all the O manufacturers have grown so fast and found such a "wide" audience, eager for O products (both "scale"-2rail and 3 rail) . The magazine is now called "O"-Gauge Railroading". It has increased in size, complexity and hugely increased circulation. It has also become a very well layed out, graphically sophisticated and good looking magazine, not gimicky or lets try every graphic computer trick - magazine. It is a joy to read and chock full of all kinds of goodies, and even a web site with help/sales for S people! This could be a guide/model for "OUR" S publication to come. Personally I like the "Dispatch"...just needs more "meat", and I loved Ed L's magazine (a beautifully done magazine), and always love to re-read my S-Gauge Heralds and even the older S-Gaugian's. Model railroading is, for me, a joy. The 12"=1'-0" real thing is what it is all about for me, everything else is an approximation to some degree. I have great joy, when hanging around some "toy train" people watching, the loco's and cars banging, clattering and racing around, whistles, bells, flashing lights and the aroma of smoke and ozone mixing. Woweeee..is that fun, I love the sense of feeling reality on a well detailed fine scale model scene, I get a huge kick out of running and firing a 1 1/2" scale live steam engine, pulling people around in nature, watching the site glass, keeping water in the boiler, pressure up and pushing the johnson bar to it's best tractive position. Man is that fun. And then theres the real deisels and stema engines I have been on...now we are talking railroading! So....ALL of us, get together, do it, make it happen....life is way to short to quibble, and for me is running out fast at 65! S Gaugingly yours, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) in warm southern Oregon S web site; www.trains-4-u.com S-Coupler (information) blog: www.s-cplrhed.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50136	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Trainstuff Doors...

I'll try this one more time. Someone, as week or so ago, was trying to locate some Trainstuff LLC corrugated overhead doors. I have some. Please contact me off-list. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50137	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Fw: You've received a message from an eBay member

I sent the buyer a email asking why the 5000 price. I wonder if I will hear from him. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: eBay Member: acadia100 To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: You've received a message from an eBay member eBay sent this message to Michael Marmer (acadia100). Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay. Learn more. Message from eBay member, acadia100 Do not respond to the sender if this message requests that you complete the transaction outside of eBay. This type of offer is against eBay policy, may be fraudulent, and is not covered by buyer protection programs. Learn More. User details: From User: acadia100 (60) 100.0% Positive Feedback Member since Jan-09-02 in United States Location: MD, United States Activity with acadia100 (last 90 days): I have bid on 0 items from acadia100 Activity with acadia100 (last 90 days): acadia100 has bid on 0 of my items Dear johnw7304, Hi John, MAny of us on a S scale discussion list are trying to figure out why this All Aboard was purchased by you for over $5,000. Is there something here that you could tell us. I appreciate your time about the set. Mike - acadia100 Marketplace Safety Tip a.. Keep your money safe - never pay for items with cash or instant money transfer services, such as Western Union or MoneyGram. In the past some sellers have exploited these payment methods in order to defraud buyers, so eBay has banned them from the site. b.. Received a Second Chance Offer email? Double check that it's genuine: Second Chance Offer emails come directly from eBay and are shown in your My Messages. c.. Trade safely. Beware of anyone who contacts you about buying or selling outside of eBay. When you trade outside of eBay, you're not able to leave feedback or take advantage of protection programmes and dispute resolution tools available on eBay. Report an inappropriate email. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn More to protect yourself from spoof (fake) emails. Another eBay member sent this email to mlmarmer@... through the eBay platform. eBay takes no liability for the sending of this email or its content Visit our Privacy Policy and User Agreement if you have any questions. You can report this message as unsolicited (spam/spoof) email. Copyright © 2008 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. eBay Inc. is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50138	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: On30 to S Turntable

Here is something I just found in the latest Walthers Flyer... an On30 turntable by Peco : Walthers Ad : (No Photo) http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=552-lk555 Peco Site : (Photo Shown) http://www.peco-uk.com/Products/peconews.htm Might be an easy upgrade to S scale?! John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50139	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY

Correct. "Turnout gear" Ha! Dave in Maryland And former volunteer firefighter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:20 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:TERMINOLOGY A turnout is what a fireman puts on. Mike PS: Not a fireman on a train ( remember when DNA meant Does Not Apply) ? In a message dated 9/13/2008 12:16:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sscale@... writes: > A TURNOUT is a set of tracks spliting the route. A SWITCH can either > be a turnout or possibly an electrical switch. > > > > > > > > > > > And we don't even agree on that. I've heard that a turnout is the > entire assemblage of components, points, frog, closure rails, stock > rails, and guard rails. Whereas the switch is only the moving > components, the points and the mechanism that moves the points. > Information from a company that actually makes and sells the stuff: _http://www.lbfosterhttp://www.lbfoshttp://wwhttp://www.lbfoshtt_ (http://www.lbfoster.com/uploadedFiles/Asset_Images/Turnouts.pdf) _http://www.lbfosterhttp://www.lbfoshttp://wwhttp://www.lbfoshtt_ (http://www.lbfoster.com/uploadedFiles/Asset_Images/Switches.pdf) These guys disagree with the theory that "turnout" was a term invented by Model Railroader: _http://www.atlantichttp://wwwhttp://www.a_ (http://www.atlantictrack.com/company.html) Stan Stokrocki **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50140	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: TERMINOLOGY

Me too Dave, Mike In a message dated 9/13/2008 7:48:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, davidh@... writes: And former volunteer firefighter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50141	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Turntable Varieties & Styles?

I know there is (or was) supposed to be a prototype for the Atlas, HO and O scale turntable somewhere out there... but I have no idea where it is (or was). The pit of this turntable was not open, it was decked all the way around; see below : HO Turntable http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/150-305 HO Turntable Drive Unit http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/150-304 O Scale http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/151-6910 Anyone know what the prototype might have been? Anyway, I thought I'd pass this along... Instead of having to hack and chop up those turntables above to convert them to S scale, I have an idea for scratch-building a turntable similar to those using a "swivel bearing" (as used in swiveling bar-stools) such as the ones below : http://www.faullandson.com/servlet/-strse-3/steel-stool-swivel/Detail http://www.faullandson.com/servlet/-strse-7/5-leg-chair-base/Detail http://www.barstoolswivels.com/FlatBarStool.html Seems to me that it would be no big deal to very quickly build a turntable using one of those... in the following procedure : 1. Cut a circle of the desired diameter from the desired material, 2. Mount it on the chosen swivel bearing, 3. Mount that assembly to another piece of board and mount it under the layout in the desired spot, 4. Mount the track to the turntable, 5. Super-detail the visible parts of the turntable around the track using whatever form of scratch-building wood is preferred (individual balsa or bass wood strips, or a sheet of flooring/siding (as seen below) : http://www.midwestproducts.com/catalog_sa1.asp?srch_grp_id=8&sa1_id=15&sa2_id=26 6. Run a metal rod with a small hand-crank on one end (near the edge of the layout) and a small, rubber wheel on the other end (under one of the the outer edges of the turntable) to roll on the bottom of it and make it turn. And there you have it. Sounds good in theory... now to try it! John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50142	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: On30 to S Turntable

Check out the size: the table is less than 12 inches long. Limits the engines you'll be able to use it with. --- On Sat, 9/13/08, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: > From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] On30 to S Turntable > To: "POST : (S) finescale64 Group" <finescale64@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S-Trains Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) SSPM Group" <SSPM@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S-Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S_Scale_List Group" <S_Scale_List@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 7:32 PM > Here is something I just found in the latest Walthers > Flyer... an On30 > turntable by Peco : > > Walthers Ad : (No Photo) > http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=552-lk555 > > Peco Site : (Photo Shown) > http://www.peco-uk.com/Products/peconews.htm > > Might be an easy upgrade to S scale?! > > John Degnan > Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50143	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: On30 to S Turntable

John, I can't resist! It already is Sn42!! GBG! Back to my hole! But you're right - 3rd and 4th rail could be epoxied outside the 16.5mm rails at 7/8 inch, thus making a standard S (or S/Sn42 dual gauge) turntable with about a 64 ft deck. Sounds very doable! Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42 and Hn42 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Degnan Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:33 PM To: POST : (S) finescale64 Group; POST : (S) S-Trains Group; POST : (S) SSPM Group; POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group; POST : (S) S-Scale Group; POST : (S) S_Scale_List Group Subject: [S-Trains] On30 to S Turntable Here is something I just found in the latest Walthers Flyer... an On30 turntable by Peco : Peco Site : (Photo Shown) http://www.peco-uk.com/Products/peconews.htm Might be an easy upgrade to S scale?! John Degnan Scaler164@... <mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50144	From: Trains	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: S Publication????

Conversation from previous post re: S Publication and response on S-Scale Yahoo from Ed. K. Hi Ed K., and any one else that is into S (ALL of it) Thanks for responding...I guess my point is that you can do it ALL! Without limiting numbers, a thriving S magazine will improve with time and become a market force for a ALL S people and offer new-commers, no matter what their bent, a great platform for exploring ALL that is available to S. And by gosh the manufacturers, importers, and suppliers will "see" a much larger market and we ALL benefit. I believe it is counter productive and derisive to purposley exclude markets in S. This does not mean only AF or only P-64, or only Sn2 etc. I share your enthusiasm for a more realistic approach and have built many prize winning S scale (and other scales) models that won first place prizes in NASG and NMRA etc. I do miss Ed L's wonderful magazine, and the S-Gauge Herald, my dislike of the S-Gaugian has more to do with Don H. than the publication itself. I contributed reviews, articles photos, and supported S mags and many model mags with my advertising of S products and my hobby shop. The best learning about and "converting" to S and S-scale comes thru example and an all inclusive approach in my many years of experience. Other scale people and "toy train" enthusiasts seem to benefit greatly and can become expert modelers through example and exposure, rather than exclusion. Its similar to a small school house with multiple grades sharing close proximity and lots of experience, understanding, learning and striving for improving through a kind of osmossis/transference/influence of exposure, and as proven in education, creates better students with a much deeper understanding. I am not tring to "convert" anyone to anything...I DO want to see a very succesful S publication with the largest readership possible and the broadest appeal...we can ALL benefit, including the advertisers, producers and "us" consumers. It does not mean a "scale" modeler is excluded, it mens included. The recent S Scale magazine, I tried a few issues, was very difficult to "read" and seemed "disjointed"...primarily , I believe due to graphic "abuse". Bless them for trying hard, and they also seem to have lacked (as many S publications have) from articles, help, photo's and general support beyond subscriptions ---That is US!. It is a very time consuming, difficult thing to do...publish a magazine on a regular schedule. I have watched an old friend of mine, and a former S scaler, go from mimeographed sheets to a very slick, highest quality magazine with beautiful photography, layout, design and many varied articles that is sold around the world and now published by the biggest model railroad publisher in the world. It took many, many years of total dedication by him, his wife and eventually a staff...and a broad aproach to a very large group of different interests, around the world and everything from 2' mine/logging/industrial stuff to big boys and super proto scale supporters to pure "toy Train" collectors. This of course brings in the "most" advertisers and the "most" readers and does seem to influence the growth of the hobby of trains and model railroads and all that goes with it. I do hope the "NEW" S magazine and all involved will PLEASE keep an open minded aproach and an ALL inclusive editorial and advertising policy. I really do not need, want or tolerate prejudiced exclusionary - you believe my way or nothing at all, your not my color-can't join my club, your not my party, religion, and on and on - being practiced IN MY HOBBY OF CHOICE which is S! (real life has got enough of that). I do welcome anyone's thoughts and opinions, and do appreciate the time and effort taken to respond. S Gaugingly/S Scalingly/S Narrow Gaugingly/S Hi-Railingly/S AF/Lionelingly/S Collectoringly yours, Peter Loeb, in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50145	From: Bradley	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > Anyone know why this All Aboard set sold so high? Is there an increase in interest and value for All Aboard? > Ebay Auction # 130250921981 > Thanks, > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I collect All Aboard and have a website on them http://www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/index.html and in my opinion something is wrong with the bidding. If that set had the box and the train and the correct second house (2 story) and was in excellent condition it might be worth around $300.00. Nothing rare or unusual that I can see here. If you look at the bidding seems to me that one person kept bidding the price up. I just bought an old Marx set from the same seller and was very happy with the whole deal. Hope the person that won the auction likes what he bought. I would have sold him my whole All Aboard collection for what he paid for the 8 panels. Bradley Eggeman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50146	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: S Publication

Gee, Pete, a lot of good thinking there. One thing that I REALLY have to agree on is the graphics....What moron decided that odd colored print on dark colored background was a good idea? Stylish? Artistic? Maybe... Unreadable? Definately! It has long been established that black print on an off white background is universally easiest to read. Doing artsy graphics around the borders or photos is okay, although certain types can be distracting if not done with care. And you are right about O Gauge Railroading magazine. O Scale was generally considered two rail track and full length locos and rolling stock, which meant you needed a huge room just for an oval of track. Everything was expensive, lots of brass and craftsman kits. Popular years ago,it hovers near death today. The growth is in O guage 3 rail and it has been phenominal! Including everyone in O gauge saved the magazine. They recently added a little On30 and picked up Bachmann as a regular advertiser. Probably the biggest factor in staring a new magazine is MONEY! It costs a ton of bucks to do a magazine today, and the thicker the magazine, the more tons of bucks to produce. How much CAN you charge per issue? Starting a magazine is a tremendous risk, especially in this age of growing internet use and an aging hobby population. I think most of us get the Dispatch and the Gaugian, and would like a thicker magazine, and might support a new one. But we're not putting up the money, doing the work, or taking the risk. Those are tough questions in today's world. Stumpy Stone...sorry to end on a "downer"...in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50147	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: On30 to S turntable

Yep, been there, done that. Built turntable out of a "lazy susan" I got at a yard sale once. Covered it with strip wood "decking" and it worked fine. The new Peco On30 turntable and the Atlas HO tables are relly too short for anything more than a Docksider in S, unless you build something "special." ;-) For a really small turntable, some of the micro layout gang uses an old CD and bottom of a CD case to build a turntable for our little 0-4-0 Porters and Davenport diesel "critters." Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50148	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.

Bradley wrote: > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > > > Anyone know why this All Aboard set sold so high? Is there an > increase in interest and value for All Aboard? > > Ebay Auction # 130250921981 > > Thanks, > > David D. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > I collect All Aboard and have a website on them > http://www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/index.html > <http://www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/index.html> and in my opinion > something is wrong with the bidding. If that set had the box and the > train and the correct second house (2 story) and was in excellent > condition it might be worth around $300.00. Nothing rare or unusual > that I can see here. If you look at the bidding seems to me that one > person kept bidding the price up. One person can not do so, that is, you can not overbid yourself.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50149	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.

They can if it is a shill bid! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of D. Winslow Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 9:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All Aboard set price question. Bradley wrote: > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > > > Anyone know why this All Aboard set sold so high? Is there an > increase in interest and value for All Aboard? > > Ebay Auction # 130250921981 > > Thanks, > > David D. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > I collect All Aboard and have a website on them > http://www.trainweb <http://www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/index.html> .org/allaboardsets/index.html > <http://www.trainweb <http://www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/index.html> .org/allaboardsets/index.html> and in my opinion > something is wrong with the bidding. If that set had the box and the > train and the correct second house (2 story) and was in excellent > condition it might be worth around $300.00. Nothing rare or unusual > that I can see here. If you look at the bidding seems to me that one > person kept bidding the price up. One person can not do so, that is, you can not overbid yourself. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50150	From: John	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: S Publication????

Hi Peter Speaking from my corner of Ohio, I don't see how another S magazine could be supported. Of the 3 hobby stores we had in the Toledo area, 2 have closed, none of them carried any S gauge magazines and only 1 or 2 had S gauge cars. HO and Lionel are the main stay here. I used to subscribe to The Dispatch and S Gaugian but there wasn't much that held my interest. I pick up a Model Railroader once in a great while if I see something that catchs my eye. Maybe to keep costs down and now with the internet, I would opt of a e-magazine I could download and save on my computer. I have copied all the articals out of the S Gaugian I wanted and sold off the magazines. It's easier for me to save e-magazines off on a cd or dvd than to hold a bookshelf full of magazines. So if there were to be a S gauge e-magazine version available with stuff that would interest me then I would probably subscribe. What would interest me? Designing and building a layout. Different ways to build benchwork, Scenery, kit bashing etc. Even with the last MR I picked up was 75% to 80% HO / Lionel ads. Just my 2 cents worth. john

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50151	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.

Strange things happen on email as I collect milk bottles from the 1940's to the 1960's. A very common QT bottle went for a 1000 dollars as it a 40 dollar bottle at most. It was in a bidding war between two people. This bottle even made news on the milk bottle publication I get. If you look at the bidding for this train set, someone had a ton of bids on it, as went from a few 100 by him or her, to about 999. Then someone had the price go to 5027. Nothing in between. Then someone won it for 5127. Quite strange how the bidding went, also makes you thing it was rigged by these people? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bradley To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: All Aboard set price question. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > Anyone know why this All Aboard set sold so high? Is there an increase in interest and value for All Aboard? > Ebay Auction # 130250921981 > Thanks, > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I collect All Aboard and have a website on them http://www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/index.html and in my opinion something is wrong with the bidding. If that set had the box and the train and the correct second house (2 story) and was in excellent condition it might be worth around $300.00. Nothing rare or unusual that I can see here. If you look at the bidding seems to me that one person kept bidding the price up. I just bought an old Marx set from the same seller and was very happy with the whole deal. Hope the person that won the auction likes what he bought. I would have sold him my whole All Aboard collection for what he paid for the 8 panels. Bradley Eggeman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50152	From: roy inman	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: S Publication????

a thriving S magazine will improve with time and become a market force for a ALL. True, but the operable word here is "thriving." Throughout the history of periodicals (from newspapers to magazines) any publication comes about because of the market it serves, not the other way around. Classic Toy Trains is a perfect example. It evolved because of the rise of swap and shop train shows around the country. The markets to sustain it, both advertisers and readers were already in place. It is not so with S. In case no one has noticed, most major cities are glutted with city lifestyle magazines, most of which won't survive. But the point here is that if there is even a whiff of profit in the air, everyone follows the scent and starts a publication of some kind. Apparently there is NO sense that such a magazine in S would be profitable, otherwise we would have seen more, and perhaps better, S publications than just the S Gaugian, with respect to the other couple of even smaller S magazine efforts. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Trains <rr4u@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:20:58 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] S Publication???? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50153	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.

Alistair McAllister wrote: > > They can if it is a shill bid! Alistair Good point, but something else is going on here.Surely a $5127 bid is not meant to encourage others, but to get stuck with the item. The winning bid, $5,127, would not seem to be done to encourage others to overbid. Sure is an interesting puzzle. > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf > Of D. Winslow > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 9:30 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All Aboard set price question. > > Bradley wrote: > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > > > > > Anyone know why this All Aboard set sold so high? Is there an > > increase in interest and value for All Aboard? > > > Ebay Auction # 130250921981 > > > Thanks, > > > David D. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > I collect All Aboard and have a website on them > > http://www.trainweb <http://www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/index.html > <http://www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/index.html>> > .org/allaboardsets/index.html > > <http://www.trainweb > <http://www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/index.html > <http://www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/index.html>> > .org/allaboardsets/index.html> and in my opinion > > something is wrong with the bidding. If that set had the box and the > > train and the correct second house (2 story) and was in excellent > > condition it might be worth around $300.00. Nothing rare or unusual > > that I can see here. If you look at the bidding seems to me that one > > person kept bidding the price up. > > One person can not do so, that is, you can not overbid > yourself.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50154	From: D. Winslow	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Strange things happen on email as I collect milk bottles from the 1940's > to the 1960's. > > A very common QT bottle went for a 1000 dollars as it a 40 dollar bottle > at most. > > It was in a bidding war between two people. This bottle even made news > on the milk bottle publication I get. > > If you look at the bidding for this train set, someone had a ton of bids > on it, as went from a few 100 by him or her, to about 999. Then someone > had the price go to 5027. Nothing in between. Then someone won it for 5127. > > Quite strange how the bidding went, also makes you thing it was rigged > by these people? > > Mike Sure is strange, but what could be the point of such rigging if that is what it was? This seller would seem to still be there, doing normal enough business, with a good record! The buyer has a 100% positive feedback.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50155	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: S Publication????

As the new owner of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine (the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide for much of its existence) I've read the observations on this topic with great interest. I do get to skim over the (many) e-mails I receive on all the topics from the S scale groups, but don't generally reply because I am trying to get an issue together, and being active in the groups would simply take too much time away from business. Different story, here. I am a relative newcomer to S (scale) but not to model railroading, nor to publishing. The "politics" of S gauge (if I can use that term) is not unlike what goes on from time to time in The Model Railroad Club, in Union NJ, where I'm the vice-president. In our case, the issue (or, as I like to say, the "excuse") for the war several years ago was the era the HO railroad was set in. The "reason" was control of the club. Some could not see past the points of contention and work toward the common interest and within the system to bring about change, so their "leaders" decided to be disruptive and destructive. They were encouraged to leave and most of them have since moved on. The club has been the better for it, even though we lost around 15 members, some of whom were outstanding modelers. In S, the fault lines between scale and hi-rail (tinplate?) is striking and I have been getting quite an education from subscribers and contributors and advertisers about just how contentious it can be! I must admit that some of it, at least, puzzles me. Make no mistake: The 1:64 Modeling Guide's will be geared to scale model railroading in S gauge (that includes narrow gauge-hint, hint). BUT--that doesn't mean there aren't topics of interest to all in S--layout room preparation, scenery, even (gasp!) operations come to mind immediately. Layout design is one area in particular where I think the scale/gauge could use some updating. That's what I want to bring to the table. From the businessman's point of view, the magazine will only be successful if it covers its cost and returns a reasonable profit to its owner (need a quick shot of "sticker shock"? Go get some commercial printing and fulfillment price quotes). That means there must be enough subscribers and advertisers to make it viable. In order to even have a ghost of a chance for that to happen, the publication must adhere to a regular and reliable publishing schedule. It also means that when a subscriber or advertiser has an issue the publisher actually treats them like a customer and provides service--just like any other enterprise should. I'm not saying this didn't happen in the past, I'm just saying that's how I do business and what you can expect when you advertise or subscribe with me. Back to model railroading. So why will the focus of the magazine be on the scale side of the equation? Because it's evident to me that the scale modelers are not adequately covered. Some of the most impressive model railroading I have ever seen is in S scale. What craftsmanship! What great opportunities to share some knowledge and improve our modeling skills and our enjoyment. I want the 1:64 Modeling Guide to be the forum where this takes place. I know I'm going on at length, but if you will indulge me: Sometimes our enthusiasm can get the better of us and that's when you see or hear comments that are meant to point out areas of improvement come across as though someone was dropping a 10,000lb. weight on the modeler's head. Other times, it must be said, we have thin skins and we like to rebel against the "experts." Just who do these people think they are, anyway? What makes them qualified to judge someone's modeling efforts? This is MY artistic interpretation! Uh, yeah, sure. "They" are experts for a reason. These are the modelers who are NMRA Master Model Railroaders, or modelers who may not be MMRs but are recognized as experts in a particular area of interest because of their research, modeling skills and willingness to write about it and have it published and reviewed and critiqued. Not everyone with the knowledge and skill wants to go through the trouble or has the time and that's a shame. The late Paul Mallery, one of the hobby of model railroading's most influential pioneers, was fond of saying to critics of the NMRA and its contests (and the "rivet counters") that if you're truly interested in finding out how good a model railroader you really are, enter a contest. Food for thought and, yes, I'm preaching to some of the choir (but does not the choir also attend the service?). So, to conclude, the magazine is here. It's the 1:64 Modeling Guide. I'm bringing back the old S/Sn3 tag line: "The Magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader" to let everyone know that there's a place to share the knowledge. This group has a lot of members. I see a lot of potential subscribers and advertisers and readers. There must be a lot of great modeling going on. I invite you to get on board. Thanks for reading this very long post. I hope I haven't rambled too much. If you'd like to have your thoughts on what I've written published in the 1:64 Modeling Guide, please also copy my e-mail: Editor@.... I'll be reading. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50156	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.

The only thing I can guess, is that the winning buyer put in a really high bid to assure his winning. The second in line bidder did the same. I doubt any schilling as the seller would have to pay the final fee. But look for it to be relisted, just a guess. Mike In a message dated 9/14/2008 11:19:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, davidwin@... writes: Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Strange things happen on email as I collect milk bottles from the 1940's > to the 1960's. > > A very common QT bottle went for a 1000 dollars as it a 40 dollar bottle > at most. > > It was in a bidding war between two people. This bottle even made news > on the milk bottle publication I get. > > If you look at the bidding for this train set, someone had a ton of bids > on it, as went from a few 100 by him or her, to about 999. Then someone > had the price go to 5027. Nothing in between. Then someone won it for 5127. > > Quite strange how the bidding went, also makes you thing it was rigged > by these people? > > Mike Sure is strange, but what could be the point of such rigging if that is what it was? This seller would seem to still be there, doing normal enough business, with a good record! The buyer has a 100% positive feedback. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50157	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Video here!!! . . new AF layout

Thanks for posting the video! Rick. On Sep 13, 2008, at 10:38 AM, zdava wrote: > Over labor day weekend, I visited my brother in Allentown PA and we > set up a small AF layout. Was great fun! > > AF video: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwyNi79FJUM > > AF pics of same layout: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/30305057@N02/ > > Hope you enjoy! > > Dave in Atlanta (aka drummer3) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50158	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?

Didn't Doug used to sell an S turntable at Portlines?  I just checked his website and couldn't find it.  We have just recently launched a new club, San Diego S-Gaugers, and we're starting an S-Mod standard modular layout.  I want to build a railyard with turntable and roundhouse, but would rather buy one than scratch-build it.  Does anyone know of an existing turntable product out there?   Bob --- On Sat, 9/13/08, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Turntable Varieties & Styles? To: "POST : (S) S-Trains Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) SSPM Group" <SSPM@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S-Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 8:09 PM I know there is (or was) supposed to be a prototype for the Atlas, HO and O scale turntable somewhere out there... but I have no idea where it is (or was). The pit of this turntable was not open, it was decked all the way around; see below : HO Turntable http://www.walthers .com/exec/ productinfo/ 150-305 HO Turntable Drive Unit http://www.walthers .com/exec/ productinfo/ 150-304 O Scale http://www.walthers .com/exec/ productinfo/ 151-6910 Anyone know what the prototype might have been? Anyway, I thought I'd pass this along... Instead of having to hack and chop up those turntables above to convert them to S scale, I have an idea for scratch-building a turntable similar to those using a "swivel bearing" (as used in swiveling bar-stools) such as the ones below : http://www.faulland son.com/servlet/ -strse-3/ steel-stool- swivel/Detail http://www.faulland son.com/servlet/ -strse-7/ 5-leg-chair- base/Detail http://www.barstool swivels.com/ FlatBarStool. html Seems to me that it would be no big deal to very quickly build a turntable using one of those... in the following procedure : 1. Cut a circle of the desired diameter from the desired material, 2. Mount it on the chosen swivel bearing, 3. Mount that assembly to another piece of board and mount it under the layout in the desired spot, 4. Mount the track to the turntable, 5. Super-detail the visible parts of the turntable around the track using whatever form of scratch-building wood is preferred (individual balsa or bass wood strips, or a sheet of flooring/siding (as seen below) : http://www.midwestp roducts.com/ catalog_sa1. asp?srch_ grp_id=8& sa1_id=15& sa2_id=26 6. Run a metal rod with a small hand-crank on one end (near the edge of the layout) and a small, rubber wheel on the other end (under one of the the outer edges of the turntable) to roll on the bottom of it and make it turn. And there you have it. Sounds good in theory... now to try it! John Degnan Scaler164@comcast. net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50159	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: All Aboard set price question.

Don't forget..... and I have once or twice, BUT CAUGHT IT!!!!... that if you enter a bid at the last moment of say $55,55..... How does your bid enter on the item??????? 55,55 enter as $5,555.00 .... THE COMA THROWS IT OFF.... Possibly this is what happened???? Bob Conner -------------- Original message from "D. Winslow" <davidwin@...>: -------------- Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > Strange things happen on email as I collect milk bottles from the 1940's > to the 1960's. > > A very common QT bottle went for a 1000 dollars as it a 40 dollar bottle > at most. > > It was in a bidding war between two people. This bottle even made news > on the milk bottle publication I get. > > If you look at the bidding for this train set, someone had a ton of bids > on it, as went from a few 100 by him or her, to about 999. Then someone > had the price go to 5027. Nothing in between. Then someone won it for 5127. > > Quite strange how the bidding went, also makes you thing it was rigged > by these people? > > Mike Sure is strange, but what could be the point of such rigging if that is what it was? This seller would seem to still be there, doing normal enough business, with a good record! The buyer has a 100% positive feedback. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50160	From: Trains	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?

Well I think there is the BOWSER,turntable with everything you need and big enough for large S steam engines. check their web site. S gaugingly Peter L. in OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50161	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/14/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 14, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50162	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: S-Scale publication

I must be a weird person. If you ask, I will tell you what I think. Unfortunately there are times when you don't have to ask, I will tell you anyway. S-Scale is far too small a part of the model train marketplace for a fracture, or even a fissure. We all must be in this scale together. We must be tolerant of "rivet counters" and "tinplaters". I suspect that the tinplate group is a group that is reliving their youth through past down American Flyer stuff. I will probably fall into this category. I would like to become a more serious modeler. The thought that will preserve this group is that we are all in it together. We must look to uplift each other. Who was it that said, " A rising tide lifts all boats"? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50163	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?

Thanks - that's perfect.  Except for the price.  I guess that's why people talk about scratch building one!   Anybody know where I can pick one up real cheap?  Call it a donation to the club. --- On Sun, 9/14/08, Trains <rr4u@...> wrote: From: Trains <rr4u@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Turntable Varieties & Styles? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 1:59 PM Well I think there is the BOWSER,turntable with everything you need and big enough for large S steam engines. check their web site. S gaugingly Peter L. in OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50164	From: william cole	Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?

has anyone ever changed the track on a plastic Con-Cor (JMC) 14" turntable...I picked one up pretty cheap and it should be fine (length-wise) for turning diesels..... Bc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50165	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: S-Curves

Hi Folks, I've begin putting together a column for Model Railroad News December issue. I've made it a practice in the past to have an "American Flyer at Christmas" motif because of all the wonderful memories we all share. I also hope to get some readers of MRN to reflect on their own past and get those old Flyers out of the attic and run them again for themselves and the next generations. The newcomers clinic at the 2008 NASG convention was by far the best attended ever and was made up almost entirely of the AF folks that I mentioned above. MRN doesn't cater to specific areas of model railroading i. e. scale, tinplate, narrow gauge, etc., but to all aspects of the hobby. This IMO contributes to its success. The S-Curves column is no exception. I try to keep an even balance among all aspects of S. However, the December issue belongs to AF and AF compatible folks. This leads to my request for material. Any stories about Christmas and AF are welcome. I would also appreciate any hi-res pictures you have of your own or your clubs layouts. Here's your chance to be published in a mainstream magazine and help promote S to boot. You can email me at royhoffman<at>yahoo.com Thanks, Roy H

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50166	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Raleigh Great Train Expo/Knoxville GTE

The modular layout by the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers was a big success at the Great Train Expo Show in Raleigh on September 13-14.  In operation was a 22 by 26 layout with a 26 foot crossing yard, in part due to the creative use of one yard module and Rhett George's new lift-gate module plus numerous push button-operated accessories. In addition, Nick Ciancios's 's Thomas the Tank Engline layout (for the little kids) and the magneto hand-powered DC train race (for the older kids and adults) were show favorites.  All of the modules plus all operating gear and Nick's extras were securely packed into Marvin's new horse trailer and are awaiting shipping this coming Friday for the Great Train Expo in Knoxville, TN on September 20-21, where we hope to start an Eastern Tennessee/Western North Carolina Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers. Joe Haenn  Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ###DesPlaines Hobbies### S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50167	From: Jim King	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: New S scale truck web page update

As announced a few days ago, my "trucks" web page has been updated to include the new S scale Barber 100-ton trucks with 2 styles of rotating end caps and 36" wheels. Follow this link to view pix of the pilot models . click on each image for enlarged views. http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/sscalesn2trucks.htm Prices and part numbers are listed. Contact me off list or thru the "PLACE ORDER" web link to determine shipping charge based on your order. Pix of the new Southern Ry. 1974 waffle sided box will appear late next week. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50168	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: For sale - engines and cars and accessories

350 Royal Blue with wire handrails and serif lettering.  I replaced the lower e-unit fingers and headlamp, greased and oiled it, and cleaned the wheels.  Now it runs great in both directions and reverses reliably.  The headlight works.  There are some small spots of paint loss, but the lettering is strong and the finish is excellent.  I consider it a strong C-6.  Greenberg book value $140; make offer.  There are five large pictures of this engine online:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Gilbert_AF.html   That web page also shows some other used Gilbert engines for sale.   In addition, I have some new, never-out-of-the box Lionel Flyer engines for sale; Greenberg book values are shown for your information; make offer. 4-8651 santa fe GP-20 diesel engine 8551  $210.00 6-48005 pennsylvania GP-9 diesel loco  $190.00 6-48013 conrail GP-7diesel engine  $230.00 6-48014 northern pacific GP-9 diesel engine  $240.00   There is also a selection of rolling stock; make offer.   48372 Canadian National Boxcar made in 2008.  C-10 mint; never out of the box. MSRP $59.99.   SHS 00604 Santa Fe Extended-Vision Caboose made in 2001 - 2005. The wheels show run time, but it is otherwise immaculate, legimate C-8 Like New. Greenberg lists it new at $70; box label says $69.95.  Do you think it's worth $60?   48340 2000 Christmas box car.  NIB.  2008 Greenberg book value: $70.00   48408 625 Sunoco single dome tank car.  NIB.  2008 Greenberg book value: $38.00   48721 Santa Fe Merger offset cupola caboose.  NIB.  2008 Greenberg book value: $70.00   Finally, my website shows some accessories for sale:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Gilbert_Accessories.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50169	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?

Hi, can you post some photos of this turntable? Clayton --- On Sun, 9/14/08, william cole <billcwithonec@...> wrote: > From: william cole <billcwithonec@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Turntable Varieties & Styles? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 9:54 PM > has anyone ever changed the track on a plastic Con-Cor (JMC) > 14" turntable...I picked one up pretty cheap and it > should be fine (length-wise) for turning diesels..... > > Bc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50170	From: Trains	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Raleigh Great Train Expo/Knoxville GTE

Joe would you be interested in including a link to my site, and me including a link to yours??? Check sites at: www.trains-4-u.com and www.s-cplrhed.blogspot.com S-Gaugingly yours Peter Loeb rr4u@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50171	From: Trains	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: S-Curves

Mr Hoffman, thanks so much for you effortes on behalf of S in MRN, from near-by Merlin. I have met the main man and offered to review S products and help....but due to some unknown reason...was never contacted. My point here is I do have some Christmas/Hanukah recollections that I have already written about on my web site www.trains4-u.com and also offer S information and a specific S-Coupler info blog site www.s-cplrhed.blogspot.com both sites are "young" and are undergoing constant updating and refinement as time and contributions permit. 1. You are welcome to use my holiday season writings about the "discovery" of trains and how I wound up involved with S. (the S part is under construction now), however perusal of the site link: Page 1 The Beginnings will give you an Idea and may offer a great intro?? I am open to your suggestions. 2. Would like permission to link to MRN site and have them reciprocate with a link to www.trains-4-u.com for S Gauge/Scale. I have no favorites and exclude no ones S interests! also if you have a specific link to "S-Curves" that would also be included. 3. I do have some pictures of "My" Layout in S (currently being dismanteled), and many S Scale, S Hi-Rail and AF layouts in the PNW. They are all digital and useable for reproduction in a Magazine. All my work is copyrighted, and am glad to offer MRN permission to publish with proper attribution. Cordially, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) member NASG 319 Gordon Way Grants Pass, OR 97527 1-541/471-8819 e-mail: rr4u@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50172	From: william cole	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?

Heljan HO turntable pics: � http://www.geocities.com/fundynorthern/FirstModuleTurntable.html � http://www.discounttrainsonline.com/Heljan-Turntable-manual-14-dia-/item322-804.html � http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/hlj/hlj804.htm Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Tue, 9/16/08, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Turntable Varieties & Styles? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 12:22 AM Hi, can you post some photos of this turntable? Clayton --- On Sun, 9/14/08, william cole <billcwithonec@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: william cole <billcwithonec@ yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Turntable Varieties & Styles? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 9:54 PM > has anyone ever changed the track on a plastic Con-Cor (JMC) > 14" turntable... I picked one up pretty cheap and it > should be fine (length-wise) for turning diesels..... > > Bc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50173	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: S-Curves

Hi Peter, Thanks for the kind words and the offer. I'll be sure to take you up on it. You hit upon a interesting point when you said "I do have some Christmas/Hanukah recollections". AF and the holiday season surely would include our Jewish friends and I'm glad you reminded me. Perhaps even other religions enjoy Flyers during the holidays. Thanks again for your support, Roy H. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@...> wrote: > > Mr Hoffman, > > thanks so much for you effortes on behalf of S in MRN, from near-by Merlin. I have met the main man and offered to review S products and help....but due to some unknown reason...was never contacted. My point here is I do have some Christmas/Hanukah recollections that I have already written about on my web site www.trains4-u.com and also offer S information and a specific S-Coupler info blog site www.s-cplrhed.blogspot.com both sites are "young" and are undergoing constant updating and refinement as time and contributions permit. > > 1. You are welcome to use my holiday season writings about the "discovery" of trains and how I wound up involved with S. (the S part is under construction now), however perusal of the site link: Page 1 The Beginnings will give you an Idea and may offer a great intro?? I am open to your suggestions. > > 2. Would like permission to link to MRN site and have them reciprocate with a link to www.trains-4-u.com for S Gauge/Scale. I have no favorites and exclude no ones S interests! > also if you have a specific link to "S-Curves" that would also be included. > > 3. I do have some pictures of "My" Layout in S (currently being dismanteled), and many S Scale, S Hi-Rail and AF layouts in the PNW. They are all digital and useable for reproduction in a Magazine. > > All my work is copyrighted, and am glad to offer MRN permission to publish with proper attribution. > > Cordially, > > Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) member NASG > 319 Gordon Way > Grants Pass, OR 97527 > > 1-541/471-8819 > e-mail: rr4u@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50174	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Varieties & Styles?

That looks nice! Thank you for passing a link to see what you have. --- On Tue, 9/16/08, william cole <billcwithonec@...> wrote: > From: william cole <billcwithonec@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Turntable Varieties & Styles? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 7:36 AM > Heljan HO turntable pics: >   > http://www.geocities.com/fundynorthern/FirstModuleTurntable.html >   > http://www.discounttrainsonline.com/Heljan-Turntable-manual-14-dia-/item322-804.html >   > http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/hlj/hlj804.htm > > Bc > > LOandS@yahoogroups.com > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Pink Spider > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale > Which determines the way they go. ...." > -EWW > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > SUPPORT ¡¡Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries > Act of 2007¢¢ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, clayton deich > <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Turntable Varieties & Styles? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 12:22 AM > > > > > > > Hi, can you post some photos of this turntable? > > Clayton > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, william cole <billcwithonec@ > yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: william cole <billcwithonec@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Turntable Varieties & > Styles? > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 9:54 PM > > has anyone ever changed the track on a plastic Con-Cor > (JMC) > > 14" turntable... I picked one up pretty cheap and > it > > should be fine (length-wise) for turning diesels..... > > > > Bc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50175	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: S-Curves

Roy, In covering the various holidays and trains...it might be best to play down the Cow on the Track accessory .. gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Hoffman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Curves Hi Peter, Thanks for the kind words and the offer. I'll be sure to take you up on it. You hit upon a interesting point when you said "I do have some Christmas/Hanukah recollections". AF and the holiday season surely would include our Jewish friends and I'm glad you reminded me. Perhaps even other religions enjoy Flyers during the holidays. Thanks again for your support, Roy H. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@...> wrote: > > Mr Hoffman, > > thanks so much for you effortes on behalf of S in MRN, from near-by Merlin. I have met the main man and offered to review S products and help....but due to some unknown reason...was never contacted. My point here is I do have some Christmas/Hanukah recollections that I have already written about on my web site www.trains4-u.com and also offer S information and a specific S-Coupler info blog site www.s-cplrhed.blogspot.com both sites are "young" and are undergoing constant updating and refinement as time and contributions permit. > > 1. You are welcome to use my holiday season writings about the "discovery" of trains and how I wound up involved with S. (the S part is under construction now), however perusal of the site link: Page 1 The Beginnings will give you an Idea and may offer a great intro?? I am open to your suggestions. > > 2. Would like permission to link to MRN site and have them reciprocate with a link to www.trains-4-u.com for S Gauge/Scale. I have no favorites and exclude no ones S interests! > also if you have a specific link to "S-Curves" that would also be included. > > 3. I do have some pictures of "My" Layout in S (currently being dismanteled), and many S Scale, S Hi-Rail and AF layouts in the PNW. They are all digital and useable for reproduction in a Magazine. > > All my work is copyrighted, and am glad to offer MRN permission to publish with proper attribution. > > Cordially, > > Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) member NASG > 319 Gordon Way > Grants Pass, OR 97527 > > 1-541/471-8819 > e-mail: rr4u@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50176	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Real trains

The railroad is replacing a grade crossing on Main St here in Newport, and it's almost like watching Flyer's Track Gang! They have a MM&A (Montreal, Maine & Atlantic) GP-9, fresh out of the shop tied up, waiting today and I had a good close-up look at it-Flyonel should think about issuing theirs in MM&A colors, the rich maroon livery with its yellow and dreadnaught trim is quite attractive, and VERY high-gloss. And did Lionel nail the Railsounds for this engine at standstill right on the money!! Blow-off, compressors and idling engine sound took me back to the layout! Cool treat on a nice fall morning!-john Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50177	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Real trains

"And did Lionel nail the Railsounds for this engine at standstill right on the money!! Blow-off, compressors and idling engine sound took me back to the layout!" Which Geep from Lionel are you referring to with Railsounds just like the real thing - - an O-gauge unit? Don't recall any in S equipped that way. Hoping I missed something. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50178	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: American Models 2008-2009 Catalog

Received my American Models 2008-2009 catalog in the mailed today. I sort of forgot about ordering as it was advertised at the beginning of this year. Zach Bashista did a nice job of putting it together. The catalog is roughly 70 pages. It is chock full of very sharp and colorful pictures of the complete line of what's available from American Models. I'm sure others will be pleased with this offering from 'AM'. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50179	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: test

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50180	From: uvl97222	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: 332-AC Q&A time from the group.

Hi, I just picked up on Ebay a 332-AC real cheep... What I would like to know is if Gilbert put any of the 332-AC together with the small engines. I have three large engines in my parts ready to go in, but can any one say not to do it, and why not? Did they, or did they not put the large engines in all of that class of trains? I can't fined anything in my book on the large engines they had put in the trains. Clayton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50181	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 332-AC Q&A time from the group.

Yes, some Northerns came with small motors and others with large.  Unless I'm mistaken, however, that started in 1952 and the 332AC was made in 1951, which means it came only with the small motor.  I can't speak to whether the large motor can be mounted in the 332AC.   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Northern.html --- On Wed, 9/17/08, uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 332-AC Q&A time from the group. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:58 PM Hi, I just picked up on Ebay a 332-AC real cheep... What I would like to know is if Gilbert put any of the 332-AC together with the small engines. I have three large engines in my parts ready to go in, but can any one say not to do it, and why not? Did they, or did they not put the large engines in all of that class of trains? I can't fined anything in my book on the large engines they had put in the trains. Clayton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50182	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 332-AC Q&A time from the group.

The 332-AC preceded the super-motor, but put a large motor in it if you want to. You can always swap back to the 1/2" standard motor later for authenticity's sake.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50183	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or tire s

I always tour the stores looking for new products that come out for Christmas. Found these 3 cars with details scenes for $9 at Wal Mart. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/7f3e?c=

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50184	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 572 et al, was 332-AC Q&A time from the group.

Group, Does anyone know whether the "large" motor can be fitted to prewar Northerns (533-534-572)? What about other ACG 3/16" locos of that era - the Hudson, Pacific. etc? By "be fitted", I'm talking bolts/wires right up, with ZERO modifications? Also, does anyone offer the conversion of the standard ("O" gauge) wheels on these engines to the Pul-Mor style with traction tires? Thanks. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50185	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti

Is that a PINTO sitting in the tire store?!? Rick. > I always tour the stores looking for new products that come out for > Christmas. Found these 3 cars with details scenes for $9 at Wal Mart. > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/7f3e?c= > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50186	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 572 et al, was 332-AC Q&A time from the group.

The prewar northern and royal blue locos should not need pullmore if they still have the heavy lead weights fitted. I fitted a postwar armature in a prewar Atlantic and I would think the whole motor assemblies would go right in. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hosmer Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:32 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 572 et al, was 332-AC Q&A time from the group. Group, Does anyone know whether the "large" motor can be fitted to prewar Northerns (533-534-572)? What about other ACG 3/16" locos of that era - the Hudson, Pacific. etc? By "be fitted", I'm talking bolts/wires right up, with ZERO modifications? Also, does anyone offer the conversion of the standard ("O" gauge) wheels on these engines to the Pul-Mor style with traction tires? Thanks. Dick Hosmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50187	From: Trains	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} was NOT Selling on eBay/Now is Available for Sale

ANSWER TO E-MAIL (SEE BELOW FOR PREVIOUS E-MAILS LEADING TO MY RESPONSE. Hey Earl, hows things in Tennessee?....I would love to see an S for Sale site...NOT RESTRICTED IN ANY WAY, AS LONG AS IT DEALS WITH TRAINS, available EASILY to all, even those that are not Yahooer's..... 1. Maybe administrators have an idea???...could put a web address at foot of all our emails??? or maybe an actual devoted web site???? whatever, so long as it has no requirement to use PayPal exclusively, and as long as ebay has nothing to do with it. 2. Several have offered to do this (train buy/sell websites) besides....would be great to CONCENTRATE all those good intentions into a single larger effort. 3, My website will list items I have for sale in future...maybe....so a good solid alternative would be great. S- Gaugingly Yours Peter Loeb in Oregon for now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The main thing I have been disappointed in with the "Available for Sale" S Yahoo site is that there have not been a lot of items listed. And there has been a lot of discussion on the site other than offering things for sale. But I did attract some sellers of Southern Railway scale heavyweight cars that I offered to buy. I think this Yahoo group has a lot of unused potential for us to sell our items. - Earl Henry, Nashville ==================== In a message dated 9/17/2008 5:16:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, t.hawley@... writes: You know, there is a Yahoo group called Available S Gauge. So far it's been dominated by tinplate stuff, but not by rule or design. It's fine to ban AF, but that may also make unwelcome the person with "highrail" stuff like the SHS car you waited too long to order. You'd have to change the wheelset and those other things, but you'd get your scale car. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50188	From: RGeorge942@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti

ti Posted by: "Rick Evans" bassflyer@... ? bassflyer Thu Sep?18,?2008 10:12?am (PDT) Is that a PINTO sitting in the tire store?!? Rick. > I always tour the stores looking for new products that come out for > Christmas. Found these 3 cars with details scenes for $9 at Wal Mart. > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/7f3e?c= > > ? I think it is a 1968 Garbonzo !! Bob George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50189	From: John Davis	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 572 et al, was 332-AC Q&A time from the group.

I installed a large motor from a junk 313 into my K335 and it runs like a champ. It installed easily with no modifications required.  As I recall, I did have to unsolder the old leads from the small motor to the smoke unit to separate the old, and reattach the 2 leads from the big motor to the smoke unit but that is as easy a solder project as you're going to find.  I left the pre-pullmor wheels alone and the weight of the engine is enough to assure good traction.  I hope that you have equal success. /  john davis noblesville IN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50190	From: alansherryb	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti

Hello friends: Yes, that looks like a "Grabber Blue" 1972 Pinto Runabout just like the one that I bought new in late 1971 and kept for 16 years. The car in the mechanic's shop appears to be a Mustang II, but I can't say for sure what the station wagon is supposed to represent from the picture. If a Ford, as are the others, it would appear to be a Country Squire wagon from the '70s. Thanks to "AZTECFAN" for the heads-up. I will try to get by a Wal- Mart store to see if we have these sets out here. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > > Is that a PINTO sitting in the tire store?!? > > Rick. > > > I always tour the stores looking for new products that come out for > > Christmas. Found these 3 cars with details scenes for $9 at Wal Mart. > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/7f3e?c= > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50191	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: 572 et al

- GreetingS - For Richard H and others who like the 3/16" : 1' on 0-gauge wheels, I'll try to put the dividers on the two mounting screws of the worm and gear drive locos and compare with S-gauge locos. May be able to make a judgement call on available space. Definitely a no-go on the earlier 4-8-4's with spur gear drives and armature shafts colinear with drive wheel axles. A quick but not accurate measurement of the tractive effort may be made by hooking a spring scale to the drawbar under the cab and noting the force necessary to pull the loco backwards an inch or two. Do not pull it so far that flat spots are worn in the driver surfaces. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50192	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 572 et al, was 332-AC Q&A time from the group.

I enjoy running pre-pulmor steam engines (all metal rims) as much as later production units. You can't beat them for smooth running, especially on relatively narrow railhead track like S-Trax (which accomodates hi-rail and scale). Besides, if at first there's an initial lack of traction and you get a bit of wheel spin, just back off a bit and run up the throttle more slowly - - like AC said "tru-model" railroading.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50193	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: 332-AC Q&A time from the group.

Thank you, I was unsure of that. Clayton --- On Thu, 9/18/08, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 332-AC Q&A time from the group. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 6:58 AM > The 332-AC preceded the super-motor, but put a large motor > in it if you > want to. You can always swap back to the 1/2" > standard motor later for > authenticity's sake.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50194	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti

Rick, That's pretty cool, Thanks for the heads up...Don Rodgers In Hot Fl. >From: RGeorge942@... >Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas >station or ti >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:07:10 -0400 > > > >Posted by: "Rick Evans" > bassflyer@... > ? > > bassflyer > > Thu Sep?18,?2008 10:12?am (PDT) > >Is that a PINTO sitting in the tire store?!? > >Rick. > > > I always tour the stores looking for new products that come out for > > > Christmas. Found these 3 cars with details scenes for $9 at Wal Mart. > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/7f3e?c= > > >? I think it is a 1968 Garbonzo !! > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50195	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: American Models 2008-2009 Catalog how to get one?

I signed up for mailing when I signed in and bought somestuff. Could mine just be late? --- On Wed, 9/17/08, lou342ac <lou342ac@...> wrote: From: lou342ac <lou342ac@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Models 2008-2009 Catalog To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 8:51 PM Received my American Models 2008-2009 catalog in the mailed today. I sort of forgot about ordering as it was advertised at the beginning of this year. Zach Bashista did a nice job of putting it together. The catalog is roughly 70 pages. It is chock full of very sharp and colorful pictures of the complete line of what's available from American Models. I'm sure others will be pleased with this offering from 'AM'. Lou Baldi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50196	From: rxman46321	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Unettered SHS extended vision cabeese

Looking for a pair of SHS unlettered. Cash or trade, have 2 Rock Island EV's with different numbers. As singles or the pair John Griffin rxman46321@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50197	From: uvl97222	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: 332-AC Q&A time from the group.

Thank you all for your input on this 332 AC you have all been a big help to me! As soon as I can get it up, and running I will post photos. Clayton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50198	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} was NOT Selling on eBay/Now is Available for Sale

Is there not "availablesscale " any more. --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Trains <rr4u@...> wrote: From: Trains <rr4u@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: {S-Scale List} was NOT Selling on eBay/Now is Available for Sale Yahoo Group ......RESPONSE To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 12:48 PM ANSWER TO E-MAIL (SEE BELOW FOR PREVIOUS E-MAILS LEADING TO MY RESPONSE. Hey Earl, hows things in Tennessee?.. ..I would love to see an S for Sale site...NOT RESTRICTED IN ANY WAY, AS LONG AS IT DEALS WITH TRAINS, available EASILY to all, even those that are not Yahooer's... .. 1. Maybe administrators have an idea???...could put a web address at foot of all our emails??? or maybe an actual devoted web site???? whatever, so long as it has no requirement to use PayPal exclusively, and as long as ebay has nothing to do with it. 2. Several have offered to do this (train buy/sell websites) besides....would be great to CONCENTRATE all those good intentions into a single larger effort. 3, My website will list items I have for sale in future...maybe. ...so a good solid alternative would be great. S- Gaugingly Yours Peter Loeb in Oregon for now. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - The main thing I have been disappointed in with the "Available for Sale" S Yahoo site is that there have not been a lot of items listed. And there has been a lot of discussion on the site other than offering things for sale. But I did attract some sellers of Southern Railway scale heavyweight cars that I offered to buy. I think this Yahoo group has a lot of unused potential for us to sell our items. - Earl Henry, Nashville ============ ======== In a message dated 9/17/2008 5:16:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, t.hawley@comcast. net writes: You know, there is a Yahoo group called Available S Gauge. So far it's been dominated by tinplate stuff, but not by rule or design. It's fine to ban AF, but that may also make unwelcome the person with "highrail" stuff like the SHS car you waited too long to order. You'd have to change the wheelset and those other things, but you'd get your scale car. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50199	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Old train wreck photos

Once ya click on this link: http://sloblogs.thetribunenews.com/slovault/ Scroll down to the train photos. This derailment/wreck happened maybe in the teens or '20s. The infamous Cuesta Grade is just a few short miles from me. What cracked me up was..... looks like a AF train wreck!!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50200	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: S scale 101

I'm just a traditional S gauge Flyer guy. Can someone give me a quick tutorial (S scale 101 !?!) on the differences between Sn2, Sn3, and Sn42? Thanks. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50201	From: David Held	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: S scale 101

Hi Jim, The "n" following the S indicates narrow gauge in S Scale. The 2 or 3 indicate the track gauge in feet. The 42 indicates the track gauge in inches, in this case 42 inches = 3.5 feet which works out to be close enough in S scale to use HO track. I hope that makes sense!!!!!!!! Sn2= 2ft gauge used a lot in the Maine 2 footers. Sn3= 3ft gauge and more common throughout the early USA railroad era. Sn42=3.5 ft gauge not so common but very convenient for modeling because it can make use of HO mechanisiums and track. Hope that helps. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S scale 101 > I'm just a traditional S gauge Flyer guy. Can someone give me a quick > tutorial (S scale 101 !?!) > on the differences between Sn2, Sn3, and Sn42? Thanks. > Jim E. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50202	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: S scale 101

Thanks for the info on "Sn" stuff. I've ridden several narrow gauge trains here in the Colorado mountains, notably the Durango and Silverton. Sounds like a guy would have to really be into the scale side to commit to it. I assume the same is true of the Bachmann "On" sets I see on the shelves. Do they run on HO track as well? Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "David Held" <doheld@...> > Hi Jim, > > The "n" following the S indicates narrow gauge in S Scale. The 2 or 3 > indicate the track gauge in feet. The 42 indicates the track gauge in > inches, in this case 42 inches = 3.5 feet which works out to be close enough > in S scale to use HO track. I hope that makes sense!!!!!!!! > > Sn2= 2ft gauge used a lot in the Maine 2 footers. Sn3= 3ft gauge and more > common throughout the early USA railroad era. Sn42=3.5 ft gauge not so > common but very convenient for modeling because it can make use of HO > mechanisiums and track. > > Hope that helps. > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:15 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] S scale 101 > > > > I'm just a traditional S gauge Flyer guy. Can someone give me a quick > > tutorial (S scale 101 !?!) > > on the differences between Sn2, Sn3, and Sn42? Thanks. > > Jim E. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50203	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: NASG GE Engines, and Moxie cars

I am getting so many inquiries about the status of these two items that I thought this might be a way to get the word out to many of you. (BTW.....both of these have been previously posted on the appropriate websites, for anyone taking the time to check there!) NASG GE Baldwin engines.......these were never expected, or advertised, for delivery before October, just like all previous years. In fact, they arrived last week, and I am already in the process of labeling and mailing all 300 of them. They should all be in the mail by the end of next week. There are only about 20 of them left available (to existing or new NASG members only) so e-mail me if you're interested in one of them. NASG 2008 Convention MOXIE reefers.......at the convention, we had about 100 cars available. These were flown in specially for delivery to those who had indicated "Pickup at the Convention". The remaining 200 cars only arrived a couple of weeks ago. We are presently awaiting shipping boxes from USPS, and then we will begin mailing those out. That will likely occur next week, or the following week at the latest. In all likelihood, these cars will ALL mail the same day. The MOXIE convention cars are sold out, so please don't inquire about availability. So (almost) everyone expecting either of these items should have received same no later than the first week of October. The one "hitch" is that the final 50 Moxie cars will not arrive here until late November, so the final mailing of those 50 will not occur until then. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50204	From: Trains	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: S scale 101

Hi Jim, glad to, The "S" refers to the size or proportion = 1:64 and/or 3/16" =1' - 0". The "n" stands for narrow Gauge, the distance between inside top of rails or the GAUGE of the track. the nuber 2, 3, 31/2 (whatever) is the width of the track gauge in feet and/or inches. So... Sn2 is equal to S-scale narrow gauge track at 2' - 0" width or GAUGE. Sn3 would be S-scale 3' - 0" width or GAUGE between the rails and so on. This would apply to any scale G,O,S,HO,N etc. and on the real full size stuff, its just the width in inches and/or feet (foreign shores may use Metric equivalents). So a real narrow gauge track might be: 12" 24" or 2' or 30", or 36" or 3' and so on. Keep in mind, that in many modeling "sizes" (scale proportions) the terms "scale" and "gauge" are used interchangably and may refer to the same thing. Strictly speaking the "scale" IS the modeling proportion, and the "gauge" IS the spacing (width) between inside top of the rail heads. Do hope this clears up your question. S-Gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb in Oregon PS: Check my web site: trains-4-u.com for S info and links if you would like [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50205	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Wal Mart Cars

1979 Chrysler Town & Country Wagon 1977 Ford Mustang ll 1971 Ford Pinto Good guesses.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50206	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: S scale 101

Jim-yes, On is HO. What I like about the Bachman stuff is, that it's affordable. I take the trucks off and put 20's vintage Lionel trucks in their place. They really look pretty cool pulled around by a Lionel or Ives loco. I had a ride on D&S a long while back, and itis one of the best rail trips I'v ever had-John --- On Fri, 9/19/08, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S scale 101 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: "David Held" <doheld@...> Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 5:32 PM Thanks for the info on "Sn" stuff. I've ridden several narrow gauge trains here in the Colorado mountains, notably the Durango and Silverton. Sounds like a guy would have to really be into the scale side to commit to it. I assume the same is true of the Bachmann "On" sets I see on the shelves. Do they run on HO track as well? Jim E. ------------ -- Original message ------------ --------- - From: "David Held" <doheld@gmail. com> > Hi Jim, > > The "n" following the S indicates narrow gauge in S Scale. The 2 or 3 > indicate the track gauge in feet. The 42 indicates the track gauge in > inches, in this case 42 inches = 3.5 feet which works out to be close enough > in S scale to use HO track. I hope that makes sense!!!!!!! ! > > Sn2= 2ft gauge used a lot in the Maine 2 footers. Sn3= 3ft gauge and more > common throughout the early USA railroad era. Sn42=3.5 ft gauge not so > common but very convenient for modeling because it can make use of HO > mechanisiums and track. > > Hope that helps. > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@ comcast.net> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:15 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] S scale 101 > > > > I'm just a traditional S gauge Flyer guy. Can someone give me a quick > > tutorial (S scale 101 !?!) > > on the differences between Sn2, Sn3, and Sn42? Thanks. > > Jim E. > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50207	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Video here!!! . . new AF layout

NICE VIDEOS BUT WHY DOES IT GO 7 SECS AND WAIT 12 SECS? ____________________________________________________________ Fashion Design Education - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIaxZ3lZxnWIftZ4XJimBxvpkK3Yn1SYlbLQFXlOu6y5IqH/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50208	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/21/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 21, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50209	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Decals

Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri Pacific in S Scale? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50210	From: zdava	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Video here!!! . . new AF layout

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > NICE VIDEOS BUT WHY DOES IT GO 7 SECS AND WAIT 12 SECS? > > ____________________________________________________________ > Fashion Design Education - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIaxZ3lZxnWIftZ4XJimBxvpkK3Yn1SYlbLQFXlOu6y5IqH/ > Must be your computer, cause you're the first one to say anything about this. Perhaps your firewall or anti-virus program slows it down. Also, do not view 'full screen'. view it in the smaller window. Hope this helps. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50211	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Can't we all just get along?

Ionce was an American Flyer fan. But it went out in 1965. My indentured servitude was 63-67. [military service time] I came out and only O [lionel] and HO was around, so I thought. I was not aware of a used Flyer market. I was into HO with my nephews, as their father wasn't. Then I went to what I thought was another HO open house at the DuPage county fairgrounds. I SAW AMERICAN FLYER AND MORE AMERICAN FLYER than I ever knew existed. Also some HO also. But while I was looking for HO I came across a hobby store in Hammond Ind. and he had American Model steam engine. I was glad to see there was some new blood interested in S gauge. I did buy some used Flyer pieces and some track. and may start buying SHS or AM may even get a train in something like DC other than hi-rail. or even used Flyer. The reason I may leave Flyer Fandom is a guy named Greenberg. Who is he? And WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY HIS PRICES? A person has something to sell without giving a price and I make an offer. I get told Greenberg's price. How do I get in to sell my stuff to this Greenberg at those prices. --------------- reminds me of some thing I heard when I was a lad. person goes in a restaurant ask for a cup of coffee. "50 cents" the the man says. "How much for a doughnut?" "75 cents" the man says. "What is that hump on your back?" Man says he hurt himself when he was younger it is called a hunch back. "oh, I thought it was your ass every thing else is so high around here!" ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find affordable degree programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l8Oqh0IM9cA68OfTFfHE9fXnv5jbbISoxvvO9IkDRiYtaMD/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50212	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: WORLDS LARGEST MODEL RAILWAY

_YouTube - LOXX The world´s largest model railway, Berlin_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6gvnHrGDQs&feature=related) I know this is HO but check out the cars & trucks. They even have working dir. signals.. Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50213	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

AE, www.oddballsdecals.org gale ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Decals Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri Pacific in S Scale? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50214	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: A different O/S issue

twiking it may help. but why not get rid of the grades as that may be the problem.    I have not seen an antique store with a train set up in Illinois or Indiana.    here is the store, which  may never get to any way. --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> wrote: From: Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A different O/S issue To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:33 AM Listers, As a collector/operator of prewar ACG 3/16"-O, I'm sort of a distant cousin here, and am having a problem with grades on my new layout - about which I could surely benefit from the experience of others. Especially, I'd like to know what performance I should reasonably expect? Nothing exceeds 1.8%, yet my 572 Northern can barely handle a tinplate caboose, let alone its' die-cast passenger consist. At first it seemed to be an electrical issue, but I have now cleaned the track thoroughly and added some feeders, so wheel-spin has become an issue. Yes, all weights (even the small one over the e-unit, which is a SOB to get in place) are present. It does not have traction tires - perhaps that is the answer. I have several locos, including another Northern (spur-drive 806) and they are all pretty much the same. However, they are almost all eBay acquisitions, so their health is questionable, but they DO run. Can I reasonably expect ANY improvement from servicing/tweaking? My layout is in our antique store, which we are having to relocate, so I will be getting a chance to start it over, before it was ever really completed - let alone finished. I suppose I could omit the grades, but I LIKE the arrangement I designed. I've read all about sudden transitions, curves on grade, etc., and have minimized such problems. Any suggestions? As an extreme, I know that K-Line came out with a "O" Big Boy about 5 years ago which was done in 1/64 scale (which is EXACTLY what I have, of course). It apparently pulls a ton. Anyone have any experience with one of them? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Dick Hosmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50215	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: MP decals

AE, I guess my reply will show up one of these days, but try this: www.oddballsdecals.org He has MP decals for most everything gale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50216	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

any body ever heard of 'WEBBER BEER'?   there was a guy  his layout was in Model Railroader called Gorre and Delphia and Athearn made cars in that road name. --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Steve Lunde <ace5348@...> wrote: From: Steve Lunde <ace5348@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "Badgerland" <Badgerland@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 1:55 PM Group, "On the Road to Milwaukee", that's the theme for this year's Fall S Fest. Hard to believe, but it will be here in just 2 months. That means time is running out to get registered. The Badgerland S Gaugers are hosting this year's Fall S Fest in MIlwaukee, Wisconsin November 14th through 16th. This is one of the largest gathering of "exclusively S" events in the country, so don't miss out. Fall S Fest will be held at the beautiful Wyndham Airport Hotel & Convention Center, 4747 S. Howell Avenue, Milwaukee, WI. This hotel has easy access from both I-94 and I-43. It also has free shuttles from the Milwaukee Airport as well as the new Airport AMTRAK station. We have arranged a room rate of $89.00 per night, just mention Fall S Fest when making a reservation. Hurry, since this rate is only good through October 30, 2008. The trading room is over 14,000 square feet, which means all vendors and manufacturers will be in one room. This year's S Fest car is the famous Waukesha "WEBER Beer" reefer. Only a limited number have been produced. You must register to purchase these cars. Our banquet speaker is Mr. Dave Myers. Dave was a military railroad engineer. Dave will speak of his experiences as well as the history of Military Railroading. Sunday will feature self-guided home layout tours. 6 layouts will be on display. For those who arrive on Thursday, a few of these layouts will be open on Thursday evening. There is something for everyone. Clinics, women's activities, tours, good fun and conversation. For complete information, visit our web site: www.trainweb. org/bsg See you in Milwaukee. "Sincerely, Steve Lunde 2008 S Fest Chairman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50217	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

AE, What are you looking for in MP decals? Tom Stoltz that has Oddballs Decals has a lot of MP and will make them in S. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Decals Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri Pacific in S Scale? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50218	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

there is a company in Canada I did business with years ago. Lost the address.  in Ontario. --- On Sat, 9/20/08, A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@...> wrote: From: A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 7:10 PM Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri Pacific in S Scale? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50219	From: mikenguy9	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: SHS track

I saw a box of it in the store. $68.00 for an oval and was not like Bachman or Life Like where you have a special track with a plug to insert. It wa not like Atlas where you screw the wires from the transformer to the track, and it was not like American Flyer which has the 690 track terminal. SO how do you hook the transformer to the tack? that is a $68.00 question.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50220	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: SHS track

Well, If it's like the SHS track that I have, the feeder wires are hooked up UNDER the track. Little metal tabs. Rick. > I saw a box of it in the store. $68.00 for an oval > and was not like Bachman or Life Like where you have a > special track with a plug to insert. > It wa not like Atlas where you screw the wires from the transformer > to the track, and it was not like American Flyer which has > the 690 track terminal. > > SO how do you hook the transformer to the tack? > > that is a $68.00 question. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50221	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: SHS track

Dear Mike, On both connectors for our curved track and one end of the straight, there is an extension. Our track wires have a metal shoe that will slide onto this metal extension so you can put current drops anywhere without needing a special section of track. Best regards, Don On Sep 20, 2008, at 9:07 PM, mikenguy9 wrote: > SO how do you hook the transformer to the tack? > > Messages in this topic (6)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > Calendar > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 3 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > Yahoo! Groups > Real Food Group > Share recipes > and favorite meals. > Biz Resources > Y! Small Business > Articles, tools, > forms, and more. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50222	From: David Engle	Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: MP decals

Don't expect to reach Tom Stolte until the 29th; he is on a trip out west. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] MP decals AE, I guess my reply will show up one of these days, but try this: www.oddballsdecals.org He has MP decals for most everything gale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50223	From: william cole	Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: SHS track

go to the S-Helper Service website http://www.showcaseline.com/ then on the menu on the left, go to "Track" then go to "S-Trax Overview" scroll down to "Wiring S-Trax Track" ...which states: " Wiring S-Trax track is very simple. Just clip our #00255 Feeder wires w/spade connector to the underside wiring tabs. THe S-Scale manufacturers seem to be a whole lot better at making information available than those in most other scales...checking the manufacturer's web-sites is best to do first! Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sat, 9/20/08, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] SHS track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 9:07 PM I saw a box of it in the store. $68.00 for an oval and was not like Bachman or Life Like where you have a special track with a plug to insert. It wa not like Atlas where you screw the wires from the transformer to the track, and it was not like American Flyer which has the 690 track terminal. SO how do you hook the transformer to the tack? that is a $68.00 question. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50224	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/21/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50225	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Two odball repairs

HI all, We had our usuall SVAFC meeting at Don Rosa's house yesterday, and I was handed two challenges. 1) 812 Baldwin, won't set level. This one was a bit of a puzzle. First, found two wires that insisted on geting between the body ledge and chassis. Well, fixed that! Nope, still crooked, but better. Hmmm. This is a pristine looking loco, shows little run time. Hmmm, finally (this took much longer than reported!) Ah HA!!! someone had replace one of the contact buttons springs with a section of spring from a ball point pin; much too stiff, was raising that side of the truck. Lighter spring, voila!! Level runner, doesn't look like it's being run by a very overweight engineer now! 2) Franklin, sparks between drawbar and chassis, direct short even!! Hmm, must be mis-wired, as it's a hot chassis style. Hmm, nope, with body off, problem is gone. Hmmmmmmm. Body is plastic, why would that make a diff?? Uh oh, now won't even run. Body back off (again, we won't count the times) broken solder joint! OK, that's fixed--uh oh, now we're back to the direct short again. Hmmm--light bulb goes off!! Unscrewed the brass smokestack 1/2 turn. Problem gone!! The brass smokestack apparently was touching the hot lead inside the smoke unit! Franklin runs fine, smokes well even! Now THAT'S gotta be one for the books!! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50226	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: A.F. high trestle set?

Does anyone in this group happen to have an American Flyer high trestle set #783 for sale? Also, should you know of someone that has a set for sale that would be helpful. If so email me at ruth.leahy@... Thanks, Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50227	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Knoxville Great Train Expo

On Saturday and Sunday, September 2021, 2008, the Carolinas and Georgia Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers ran a 56 by 30 foot layout at the Great Train Expo Show in Knoxville, TN.  The layout featured two 30-foot center passing yards and 3 lift bridges—one into each of the three pit areas—with five separate trackages running at all times.  There were numerous buttons for the public to push plus Nick Cianciosi’s Thomas Cab and layout with train announcement and whistle (for the little ones) and his completely automated, magnemometer-powered (hand-cranked) DC train race featuring S-Helper DC switchers and trackage (for kids of all ages). A highlight of the show was a 146-car train pulled by Butch Henion’s S-Helper Service Southern F-3 A-B-B-A diesel lashup.   The primary purpose of this layout to recruit members for a possible eastern TN-western NC division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers appears to have been highly successful.  More than a dozen persons expressed a very strong interest in participating in this effort.  One of these prospective members and his wife even came and ran trains with us on Sunday and helped during teardown.   Participating from the Georgia Division were Don and Judy Barcik, Bob Lacheen, Bill Odendahl, Tom Robinson, Cecil Schneider, and John and Joy Wackerman.  Participating from the Carolinas Division were Nick Cianciosi, Rhett George, Joe Haenn, Butch Henion, Larry Moore, and Marvin Thiel.  Mike Myers was present from the Virginia Central Division.   Joe Haenn  Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers American Models ###DesPlaines Hobbies### S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50228	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: A.F. high trestle set?

I have never seen a set of high trestles #783, what came inside the set? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> Does anyone in this group happen to have an American Flyer high trestle set #783 for sale? Also, should you know of someone that has a set for sale that would be helpful. If so email me at ruth.leahy@... Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50229	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: HOBBY SHOPS

Hey gang.... I am leaving for Colorado Springs Thursday am for a week to rest.... In then past month I have taken 4 trips.... 3 to WV... 1 with my grandaughters, 5 and 7 in Caves, riding trains, blowing glass, etc..... 1 school for the weekend, learning to fly a DC-3... passed.... So now its back to trains!!!! Any good Hobby Shops??? Any shows? don't mind driving.... Reccommend the Gorge railroad? Cumbres or Silverton? I am just gonna wonder... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50230	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: A.F. high trestle set?

The 783 set contains the highest Tressle Bent only x 12 of them.... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from lglumac@...: -------------- I have never seen a set of high trestles #783, what came inside the set? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> Does anyone in this group happen to have an American Flyer high trestle set #783 for sale? Also, should you know of someone that has a set for sale that would be helpful. If so email me at ruth.leahy@... Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50231	From: roy inman	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS

Bob, 1.75 hrs north of the Springs is the Georgetown Loop. A nice ride, but be forewarned that the steam engines are both in the shop and the cars are being pulled by a narrow gauge diesel. The upside is that they charge less when they are not using one of the steam engines. Hope you have fun :) Roy From: rcon7@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:07:00 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com (S-Trains) Subject: [S-Trains] HOBBY SHOPS Hey gang.... I am leaving for Colorado Springs Thursday am for a week to rest.... In then past month I have taken 4 trips.... 3 to WV... 1 with my grandaughters, 5 and 7 in Caves, riding trains, blowing glass, etc..... 1 school for the weekend, learning to fly a DC-3... passed.... So now its back to trains!!!! Any good Hobby Shops??? Any shows? don't mind driving.... Reccommend the Gorge railroad? Cumbres or Silverton? I am just gonna wonder... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50232	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS

I haven't been on the Royal Gorge train, just over the bridge. That's a thrill in itself. As for the Cumbres-Toltec and Durango-Silverton, both are excellent. The fall colors of the aspen should be starting to come in near Silverton, so that would be my first choice for you. It's a fabulous ride and the Durango area is simply beautiful. Not familiar with hobby shops in the Springs but know there a couple down there. If you get up north to the Denver area, hit Caboose Hobbies if you're into the modeling/hi-rail things. Continue on to Arvada to Mizzell's Trains for the "Wall Of Trains". Huge selection of O gauge and some of just about all other gauges. If you continue north toward Boulder, stop in and see Hank at Hank's Model Trains in Louisville, where I live. He has a very small stock, but knows more about Lionel and Flyer than you can imagine, then stop at the Blue Parrot for its world famous spaghetti. Have fun in Colorado! Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: rcon7@... > Hey gang.... I am leaving for Colorado Springs Thursday am for a week to > rest.... In then past month I have taken 4 trips.... 3 to WV... 1 with my > grandaughters, 5 and 7 in Caves, riding trains, blowing glass, etc..... 1 school > for the weekend, learning to fly a DC-3... passed.... > So now its back to trains!!!! Any good Hobby Shops??? Any shows? don't mind > driving.... Reccommend the Gorge railroad? Cumbres or Silverton? I am just gonna > wonder... Bob Conner > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50233	From: Trains	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS

Well, if you can, stop of at the Cog railway that goes up to about 10-11000 feet just outside of CS...also could catch the Georgetown Loop RR up past Golden, and there are several hobby shops in CS...but the BIG one is on S side of Denver ...Caboose Hobbies...it is an adventure. Might try to contact Glen Spanholz in Denver NASG member. There are a number of other tourist RR operations in larger area around CS and several Sn3 enthusiasts of note. Peter L in OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50234	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: #16 RECTIFORMER TUBE

Anyone know the # for the tube on a #16 Rectiformer? Thank You, Mike **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50235	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: MY NEW WEB SITE

My new web site is up...Anormal1.com Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50236	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

I appreciate Tom Stoltz's site information. I am saving it this time. I retire after Sunday. Then I have several "high priority" HONEY DO's. About 4th on that list is to clean out the garage so I can build a train room in it. Then I will begin constructing my layout. I was raised on the MoP. Saw a lot of Cotton Belt, Rock Island, KCS and Frisco. So you can get some idea of what I want on my layout. I looked at Tom's site a few minutes ago. I will want some of the same stuff on mine. I would like to show the cotton compress, rice silos, etc. At least I can add some definition to my dreams. Have the fun is figuring out how this will all come together. Thanx to all. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gale Hall Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:17 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals AE, What are you looking for in MP decals? Tom Stoltz that has Oddballs Decals has a lot of MP and will make them in S. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Decals Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri Pacific in S Scale? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50237	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: #16 RECTIFORMER TUBE

Hi Mike, The tube is a #1237. That's what mine came with and it works great. Regards, Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: #16 RECTIFORMER TUBE Anyone know the # for the tube on a #16 Rectiformer? Thank You, Mike **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50238	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: #16 RECTIFORMER TUBE

Thank You, Mike In a message dated 9/22/2008 5:11:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jaytewilli@... writes: Hi Mike, The tube is a #1237. That's what mine came with and it works great. Regards, Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: #16 RECTIFORMER TUBE Anyone know the # for the tube on a #16 Rectiformer? Thank You, Mike ************************<WBR>**Looking for simple solutions to your rea challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (_http://www.walletpohttp://www.whttp://www.wallehttp_ (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50239	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

A.E. I messed up as Dave pointed out it should be Stolte....ok you went to his layout site, did you go to the decal site? Are you still in Vilonia? You could model the line from Van Burenup thru Morrilton and Conway, I think there was a Federal Compress at Conway..and then do the speedway from NLR up to Beebe and Kensett and do the branch over to Searcy the DK&S...you could catch the MP the RI and MNA...enlarge the garage, shoot you could model Central Arkansas.. gale hall frisco91@... ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals I appreciate Tom Stoltz's site information. I am saving it this time. I retire after Sunday. Then I have several "high priority" HONEY DO's. About 4th on that list is to clean out the garage so I can build a train room in it. Then I will begin constructing my layout. I was raised on the MoP. Saw a lot of Cotton Belt, Rock Island, KCS and Frisco. So you can get some idea of what I want on my layout. I looked at Tom's site a few minutes ago. I will want some of the same stuff on mine. I would like to show the cotton compress, rice silos, etc. At least I can add some definition to my dreams. Have the fun is figuring out how this will all come together. Thanx to all. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gale Hall Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:17 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals AE, What are you looking for in MP decals? Tom Stoltz that has Oddballs Decals has a lot of MP and will make them in S. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Decals Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri Pacific in S Scale? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50240	From: David Engle	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS

Sounds like someone who needs to come to Kansas City and see SuperConnie!! ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HOBBY SHOPS Bob, 1.75 hrs north of the Springs is the Georgetown Loop. A nice ride, but be forewarned that the steam engines are both in the shop and the cars are being pulled by a narrow gauge diesel. The upside is that they charge less when they are not using one of the steam engines. Hope you have fun :) Roy From: rcon7@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:07:00 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com (S-Trains) Subject: [S-Trains] HOBBY SHOPS Hey gang.... I am leaving for Colorado Springs Thursday am for a week to rest.... In then past month I have taken 4 trips.... 3 to WV... 1 with my grandaughters, 5 and 7 in Caves, riding trains, blowing glass, etc..... 1 school for the weekend, learning to fly a DC-3... passed.... So now its back to trains!!!! Any good Hobby Shops??? Any shows? don't mind driving.... Reccommend the Gorge railroad? Cumbres or Silverton? I am just gonna wonder... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50241	From: William Porter	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: MY NEW WEB SITE

HI Mike, It looks mostly good from here. The photo of the bottle of smoke doesn't show in my browser until I click on it. Then, the page switches and I see only the bottle and not the contact data. If that is happening to other folks, you may need to tweak the html. Bill (using IE 7) Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MY NEW WEB SITE My new web site is up...Anormal1.com Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50242	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS

Both the Cumbres-Toltec and the Durango-Silverton are great... Steve In a message dated 09/22/2008 2:32:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rcon7@... writes: Hey gang.... I am leaving for Colorado Springs Thursday am for a week to rest.... In then past month I have taken 4 trips.... 3 to WV... 1 with my grandaughters, 5 and 7 in Caves, riding trains, blowing glass, etc..... 1 school for the weekend, learning to fly a DC-3... passed.... So now its back to trains!!!! Any good Hobby Shops??? Any shows? don't mind driving.... Reccommend the Gorge railroad? Cumbres or Silverton? I am just gonna wonder... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50243	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS

David.... Theres one about 175 miles from me.... While up in GA in the school I passed a DC-4 parked at a small field in southern Ga... also a DC-3. and 2 B-25's setting there... Bob -------------- Original message from "David Engle" <RIRocket@...>: -------------- Sounds like someone who needs to come to Kansas City and see SuperConnie!! ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HOBBY SHOPS Bob, 1.75 hrs north of the Springs is the Georgetown Loop. A nice ride, but be forewarned that the steam engines are both in the shop and the cars are being pulled by a narrow gauge diesel. The upside is that they charge less when they are not using one of the steam engines. Hope you have fun :) Roy From: rcon7@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:07:00 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com (S-Trains) Subject: [S-Trains] HOBBY SHOPS Hey gang.... I am leaving for Colorado Springs Thursday am for a week to rest.... In then past month I have taken 4 trips.... 3 to WV... 1 with my grandaughters, 5 and 7 in Caves, riding trains, blowing glass, etc..... 1 school for the weekend, learning to fly a DC-3... passed.... So now its back to trains!!!! Any good Hobby Shops??? Any shows? don't mind driving.... Reccommend the Gorge railroad? Cumbres or Silverton? I am just gonna wonder... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50244	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: MY NEW WEB SITE

Mike, I had the same results as Bill when I tried your new web site Jim Hannawald ----- Original Message ----- From: William Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: MY NEW WEB SITE HI Mike, It looks mostly good from here. The photo of the bottle of smoke doesn't show in my browser until I click on it. Then, the page switches and I see only the bottle and not the contact data. If that is happening to other folks, you may need to tweak the html. Bill (using IE 7) Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MY NEW WEB SITE My new web site is up...Anormal1.com Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50245	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

Yes, I am still in Vilonia. My early years were the war years in St. Louis. My Grandparents lived in NE Arkansas. I went to school at Texarkana. When I saw pics of Tom's layout on the site, I thought of the rice silos on the Arkansas Grand Prairie. Specifically the silos along the railroad between Harrisburg and Jonesboro, or the area around Tuckerman. I think of the station in Texarkana as it was in the 1950's. I remember Union Station is St. Louis. Now some of this is way beyond any skills I I ever hope to have, But some of it I can probably handle. But I have to get to that point. I also have to keep in mind my HONEY DO priorities. I do appreciate a good home cooked meal, if you get my drift. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gale Hall Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:20 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals A.E. I messed up as Dave pointed out it should be Stolte....ok you went to his layout site, did you go to the decal site? Are you still in Vilonia? You could model the line from Van Burenup thru Morrilton and Conway, I think there was a Federal Compress at Conway..and then do the speedway from NLR up to Beebe and Kensett and do the branch over to Searcy the DK&S...you could catch the MP the RI and MNA...enlarge the garage, shoot you could model Central Arkansas.. gale hall frisco91@... <mailto:frisco91%40swbell.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals I appreciate Tom Stoltz's site information. I am saving it this time. I retire after Sunday. Then I have several "high priority" HONEY DO's. About 4th on that list is to clean out the garage so I can build a train room in it. Then I will begin constructing my layout. I was raised on the MoP. Saw a lot of Cotton Belt, Rock Island, KCS and Frisco. So you can get some idea of what I want on my layout. I looked at Tom's site a few minutes ago. I will want some of the same stuff on mine. I would like to show the cotton compress, rice silos, etc. At least I can add some definition to my dreams. Have the fun is figuring out how this will all come together. Thanx to all. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Gale Hall Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:17 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals AE, What are you looking for in MP decals? Tom Stoltz that has Oddballs Decals has a lot of MP and will make them in S. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Decals Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri Pacific in S Scale? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50246	From: David Engle	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

How about brass Alco's RS-11s in glossy maroon paint running between (replicated) Fort Smith and Monett?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals A.E. I messed up as Dave pointed out it should be Stolte....ok you went to his layout site, did you go to the decal site? Are you still in Vilonia? You could model the line from Van Burenup thru Morrilton and Conway, I think there was a Federal Compress at Conway..and then do the speedway from NLR up to Beebe and Kensett and do the branch over to Searcy the DK&S...you could catch the MP the RI and MNA...enlarge the garage, shoot you could model Central Arkansas.. gale hall frisco91@... ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals I appreciate Tom Stoltz's site information. I am saving it this time. I retire after Sunday. Then I have several "high priority" HONEY DO's. About 4th on that list is to clean out the garage so I can build a train room in it. Then I will begin constructing my layout. I was raised on the MoP. Saw a lot of Cotton Belt, Rock Island, KCS and Frisco. So you can get some idea of what I want on my layout. I looked at Tom's site a few minutes ago. I will want some of the same stuff on mine. I would like to show the cotton compress, rice silos, etc. At least I can add some definition to my dreams. Have the fun is figuring out how this will all come together. Thanx to all. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gale Hall Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:17 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals AE, What are you looking for in MP decals? Tom Stoltz that has Oddballs Decals has a lot of MP and will make them in S. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Decals Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri Pacific in S Scale? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50247	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: MY NEW WEB SITE

Thanks guys... I'll have my son look at it..He did it for me...Mike In a message dated 9/22/2008 7:43:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhannawald@... writes: Mike, I had the same results as Bill when I tried your new web site Jim Hannawald ----- Original Message ----- From: William Porter To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: MY NEW WEB SITE HI Mike, It looks mostly good from here. The photo of the bottle of smoke doesn't show in my browser until I click on it. Then, the page switches and I see only the bottle and not the contact data. If that is happening to other folks, you may need to tweak the html. Bill (using IE 7) Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:51 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MY NEW WEB SITE My new web site is up...Anormal1.My n Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 __

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50248	From: Scale S Only	Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

Dear Mr Johnson -- Congratulations on retiring. Now you will find out how hard it is to get anything done when you have all that time.... Been there and (not) done that (or this), Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals I retire after Sunday. Then I have several "high priority" HONEY DO's. About 4th on that list is to clean out the garage so I can build a train room in it. Then I will begin constructing my layout.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50249	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS

Hi all: Interesting information. We will be visiting son/wife/grandchildren at their new home in Arvada, CO around Christmas. Any other hobby shops in the general area? Will definitely visit Mizzells. Unfortunately, won't be there long enough to get in some skiing this year - maybe next year. thanks in advance for the information. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) jimensign50@... wrote: > > I haven't been on the Royal Gorge train, just over the bridge. That's > a thrill in itself. As for the Cumbres-Toltec and Durango-Silverton, > both are excellent. The fall colors of the aspen should be starting to > come in near Silverton, so that would be my first choice for you. It's > a fabulous ride and the Durango area is simply beautiful. Not familiar > with hobby shops in the Springs but know there a couple down there. If > you get up north to the Denver area, hit Caboose Hobbies if you're > into the modeling/hi-rail things. Continue on to Arvada to Mizzell's > Trains for the "Wall Of Trains". Huge selection of O gauge and some of > just about all other gauges. If you continue north toward Boulder, > stop in and see Hank at Hank's Model Trains in Louisville, where I > live. He has a very small stock, but knows more about Lionel and Flyer > than you can imagine, then stop at the Blue Parrot for its world > famous spaghetti. Have fun in Colorado! > Jim E. > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: rcon7@... <mailto:rcon7%40bellsouth.net> > > Hey gang.... I am leaving for Colorado Springs Thursday am for a > week to > > rest.... In then past month I have taken 4 trips.... 3 to WV... 1 > with my > > grandaughters, 5 and 7 in Caves, riding trains, blowing glass, > etc..... 1 school > > for the weekend, learning to fly a DC-3... passed.... > > So now its back to trains!!!! Any good Hobby Shops??? Any shows? > don't mind > > driving.... Reccommend the Gorge railroad? Cumbres or Silverton? I > am just gonna > > wonder... Bob Conner > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50250	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: A.F. high trestle set?

For questions like this, consult TheGilbertGallery.org:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/accessories_bridges2.html --- On Mon, 9/22/08, lglumac@... <lglumac@...> wrote: From: lglumac@... <lglumac@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. high trestle set? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 12:44 PM I have never seen a set of high trestles #783, what came inside the set? ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@colorado .edu> Does anyone in this group happen to have an American Flyer high trestle set #783 for sale? Also, should you know of someone that has a set for sale that would be helpful. If so email me at ruth.leahy@colorado .edu Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50251	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

Yep - we who are retired wish you all the best but laugh when we think of your optimism. You now have to relearn all that you thought you knew about the passage of time! Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scale S Only Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals Dear Mr Johnson -- Congratulations on retiring. Now you will find out how hard it is to get anything done when you have all that time.... Been there and (not) done that (or this), Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals I retire after Sunday. Then I have several "high priority" HONEY DO's. About 4th on that list is to clean out the garage so I can build a train room in it. Then I will begin constructing my layout. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50252	From: dccinstallssales@aol.com	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: HOBBY SHOPS

Just rode the Durango and Silverton while at Soundtraxx school. Highly recommend it. Rick Bell DCC Installs and Sales _WWW.DCCINSTALLSANDSALES.COM_ (http://www.dccinstallsandsales.com/) DCCINSTALLSSALES@... 706-860-3768 RPMclinics-RickBell@yahoogroups.com In a message dated 9/23/2008 6:37:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Reccommend the Gorge railroad? Cumbres or Silverton? I am just gonna wonder... Bob Conner **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50253	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Flyonel Sound Control Buttons

I recently purchased a Flyonel #48064 Milwaukee 4-8-4. The instruction sheet says that two #65906 control buttons should be used to control the whistle and bell sounds. None are furnished with the locomotive. After checking the Lionel website and with my nearest LHS it appears these are no longer made. Isn't there a relatively easy way to fabricate a substitute using a push button and diode from Radio Shack? Has anyone done this? I am presently using vintage AF transformers for power. Unfortunately a new transformer with the control buttons built in is not in my railroad budget for this year. Thanks in advance for the assist. Lynn Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50254	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Flyonel Sound Control Buttons

I have a diagram of a circuit that will work. Let me know if you want to build a box and I'll forward it. An easier route may be to find out if Joe Hahn(spelling?) or Doug Peck has any in stock. Anyone else? American models has the new transformer on sale but the use of the buttons is still much cheaper. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50255	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

I really didn't mean to get off subject. For that I apologize. That is the Arkansas & Missouri line. They also operate and excursion train from Van Buren and Springdale. We took some of our grandchildren on it this summer. My wife and I enjoyed it very much. The kids were bored. As we passed through some small towns my wife and I could recall our childhoods in similar places. Are these RS-11's? I thought they might be RS-26's. In any case is was great fun for us. A. E. Johnson From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Engle Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals How about brass Alco's RS-11s in glossy maroon paint running between (replicated) Fort Smith and Monett?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals A.E. I messed up as Dave pointed out it should be Stolte....ok you went to his layout site, did you go to the decal site? Are you still in Vilonia? You could model the line from Van Burenup thru Morrilton and Conway, I think there was a Federal Compress at Conway..and then do the speedway from NLR up to Beebe and Kensett and do the branch over to Searcy the DK&S...you could catch the MP the RI and MNA...enlarge the garage, shoot you could model Central Arkansas.. gale hall frisco91@... <mailto:frisco91%40swbell.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals I appreciate Tom Stoltz's site information. I am saving it this time. I retire after Sunday. Then I have several "high priority" HONEY DO's. About 4th on that list is to clean out the garage so I can build a train room in it. Then I will begin constructing my layout. I was raised on the MoP. Saw a lot of Cotton Belt, Rock Island, KCS and Frisco. So you can get some idea of what I want on my layout. I looked at Tom's site a few minutes ago. I will want some of the same stuff on mine. I would like to show the cotton compress, rice silos, etc. At least I can add some definition to my dreams. Have the fun is figuring out how this will all come together. Thanx to all. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Gale Hall Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:17 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals AE, What are you looking for in MP decals? Tom Stoltz that has Oddballs Decals has a lot of MP and will make them in S. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Decals Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri Pacific in S Scale? A. E. Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50256	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

I believe that was John Allen. Wasn't it the Gorre and Delapid or something of that order? As I remember the story about this layout, it was featured several times in the model railroad magazines, sortly after he died the souse burned down. There was nothing of the railroad to salvage. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:20 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest any body ever heard of 'WEBBER BEER'? there was a guy his layout was in Model Railroader called Gorre and Delphia and Athearn made cars in that road name. --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Steve Lunde <ace5348@... <mailto:ace5348%40att.net> > wrote: From: Steve Lunde <ace5348@... <mailto:ace5348%40att.net> > Subject: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> , "Badgerland" <Badgerland@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Badgerland%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 1:55 PM Group, "On the Road to Milwaukee", that's the theme for this year's Fall S Fest. Hard to believe, but it will be here in just 2 months. That means time is running out to get registered. The Badgerland S Gaugers are hosting this year's Fall S Fest in MIlwaukee, Wisconsin November 14th through 16th. This is one of the largest gathering of "exclusively S" events in the country, so don't miss out. Fall S Fest will be held at the beautiful Wyndham Airport Hotel & Convention Center, 4747 S. Howell Avenue, Milwaukee, WI. This hotel has easy access from both I-94 and I-43. It also has free shuttles from the Milwaukee Airport as well as the new Airport AMTRAK station. We have arranged a room rate of $89.00 per night, just mention Fall S Fest when making a reservation. Hurry, since this rate is only good through October 30, 2008. The trading room is over 14,000 square feet, which means all vendors and manufacturers will be in one room. This year's S Fest car is the famous Waukesha "WEBER Beer" reefer. Only a limited number have been produced. You must register to purchase these cars. Our banquet speaker is Mr. Dave Myers. Dave was a military railroad engineer. Dave will speak of his experiences as well as the history of Military Railroading. Sunday will feature self-guided home layout tours. 6 layouts will be on display. For those who arrive on Thursday, a few of these layouts will be open on Thursday evening. There is something for everyone. Clinics, women's activities, tours, good fun and conversation. For complete information, visit our web site: www.trainweb. org/bsg See you in Milwaukee. "Sincerely, Steve Lunde 2008 S Fest Chairman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50257	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

Hi A.E., I was reading some of your emails, My Dad and Mother were from Arkansas, Have you ever heard of Truman or Mark Tree, that's where my dad was from, Mom lived on a farm outside of Nettelton and Jonesburo..I remember when I was a kid looking at a big 2-8-2 pulling heaveyweights from my Grandads farm....Don Rodgers St.Pete Fl. >From: "A. E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> >Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:10:21 -0500 > >I really didn't mean to get off subject. For that I apologize. > > > >That is the Arkansas & Missouri line. They also operate and excursion >train >from Van Buren and Springdale. We took some of our grandchildren on it this >summer. My wife and I enjoyed it very much. The kids were bored. As we >passed through some small towns my wife and I could recall our childhoods >in >similar places. Are these RS-11's? I thought they might be RS-26's. In any >case is was great fun for us. > > > >A. E. Johnson > > > >From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf >Of David Engle >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:25 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals > > > >How about brass Alco's RS-11s in glossy maroon paint running between >(replicated) Fort Smith and Monett?? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gale Hall >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:19 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals > >A.E. > >I messed up as Dave pointed out it should be Stolte....ok you went to his >layout site, did you go to the decal site? > >Are you still in Vilonia? > >You could model the line from Van Burenup thru Morrilton and Conway, I >think >there was a Federal Compress at Conway..and then do the speedway from NLR >up >to Beebe and Kensett and do the branch over to Searcy the DK&S...you could >catch the MP the RI and MNA...enlarge the garage, shoot you could model >Central Arkansas.. > >gale hall >frisco91@... <mailto:frisco91%40swbell.net> > >----- Original Message ----- >From: A. E. Johnson >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:07 PM >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals > >I appreciate Tom Stoltz's site information. I am saving it this time. I >retire after Sunday. Then I have several "high priority" HONEY DO's. About >4th on that list is to clean out the garage so I can build a train room in >it. Then I will begin constructing my layout. > >I was raised on the MoP. Saw a lot of Cotton Belt, Rock Island, KCS and >Frisco. So you can get some idea of what I want on my layout. I looked at >Tom's site a few minutes ago. I will want some of the same stuff on mine. I >would like to show the cotton compress, rice silos, etc. At least I can add >some definition to my dreams. Have the fun is figuring out how this will >all >come together. > >Thanx to all. > >From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On >Behalf >Of Gale Hall >Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:17 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals > >AE, > >What are you looking for in MP decals? Tom Stoltz that has Oddballs Decals >has a lot of MP and will make them in S. > >gale >----- Original Message ----- >From: A. E. Johnson >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ><mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:10 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] Decals > >Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri >Pacific in S Scale? > >A. E. Johnson >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50258	From: William Porter	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

It was the Gorre and Daphetid - often pronounced gory and defeated and referred to as the GD line. Take a look at: http://www.gdlines.com/ for inspiration. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of A. E. Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:22 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest I believe that was John Allen. Wasn't it the Gorre and Delapid or something of that order? As I remember the story about this layout, it was featured several times in the model railroad magazines, sortly after he died the souse burned down. There was nothing of the railroad to salvage. From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:20 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest any body ever heard of 'WEBBER BEER'? there was a guy his layout was in Model Railroader called Gorre and Delphia and Athearn made cars in that road name. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50259	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: John Allen's RR, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest

----- Original Message ----- From: William Porter It was the Gorre and Daphetid - often pronounced gory and defeated . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Back in the day when the NMRA Bulletin did paper car sides, they did GD one year in many scales including S. And Pacific Rail Shops also did a 40 foot GD boxcar in S scale. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50260	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: OT: Slide Scanner

Gentlemen: I have a few slides of my layout that I would like to convert into digital images. Does anyone have a recommendation on a slide scanner that will produce nice TIFF and JPEG files? (I understand TIFF is archive grade and JPEGs are used for publication.) I have about 120,000 images so I am sure I will want to scan more later. Restoration of faded Ecktacrome and Agfa is required. Cropping and other photo tricks would be nice. The preferred mother machine is a HP desktop loaded with Ubuntu Linux. I also have access to a Dell XP Laptop. Oh -- All slides are mounted in the standard 2" * 2" mount. However the image within the mount sometimes varies. A few of the images are half 35mm, a few 4cm square, and other goodies going back into the 1930s. Some, instead of cardboard mounts, are sandwiched between two sheets of glass making them about 1/8 of an inch thick. (This was done because mold was attacking the cardboard mounts in 1959 in Texas.) If necessary I can transfer these to cardboard, I would prefer a SLIDE scanner, not a FLATBED scanner. I have access to a company scanner big enough to do 5 feet by <forever> and it does FANTASTIC work. So, does anyone recommend a slide scanner? Thank you for your assistance in preserving previous layout images, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50261	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

Sorry Bill, didn't get down to your e-mail until after I wrote mine. Rance William Porter wrote: > > It was the Gorre and Daphetid - often pronounced gory and defeated and > referred to as the GD line. Take a look at: http://www.gdlines.com/ > <http://www.gdlines.com/> for > inspiration. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50262	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

Yes, I that was the Gorre and Daphetid (Gory and Defeated) - and yes, it did burn some time after his death. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) A. E. Johnson wrote: > > I believe that was John Allen. Wasn't it the Gorre and Delapid or > something > of that order? As I remember the story about this layout, it was featured > several times in the model railroad magazines, sortly after he died the > souse burned down. There was nothing of the railroad to salvage. > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf > Of mike rosz > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:20 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest > > any body ever heard of 'WEBBER BEER'? > > there was a guy his layout was in Model Railroader called Gorre and > Delphia > and Athearn > made cars in that road name. > > --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Steve Lunde <ace5348@... > <mailto:ace5348%40att.net> <mailto:ace5348%40att.net> > > wrote: > > From: Steve Lunde <ace5348@... <mailto:ace5348%40att.net> > <mailto:ace5348%40att.net> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> , "Badgerland" > <Badgerland@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Badgerland%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:Badgerland%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 1:55 PM > > Group, > > "On the Road to Milwaukee", that's the theme for this year's Fall S Fest. > Hard to believe, but it will be here in just 2 months. > That means time is running out to get registered. The Badgerland S Gaugers > are hosting this year's Fall S Fest in MIlwaukee, > Wisconsin November 14th through 16th. This is one of the largest gathering > of "exclusively S" events in the country, so don't > miss out. > > Fall S Fest will be held at the beautiful Wyndham Airport Hotel & > Convention > Center, 4747 S. Howell Avenue, > Milwaukee, WI. This hotel has easy access from both I-94 and I-43. It also > has free shuttles from the Milwaukee > Airport as well as the new Airport AMTRAK station. We have arranged a room > rate of $89.00 per night, just mention > Fall S Fest when making a reservation. Hurry, since this rate is only good > through October 30, 2008. > > The trading room is over 14,000 square feet, which means all vendors and > manufacturers will be in one room. > > This year's S Fest car is the famous Waukesha "WEBER Beer" reefer. Only a > limited number have been produced. > You must register to purchase these cars. > > Our banquet speaker is Mr. Dave Myers. Dave was a military railroad > engineer. Dave will speak of his experiences > as well as the history of Military Railroading. > > Sunday will feature self-guided home layout tours. 6 layouts will be on > display. For those who arrive on Thursday, a > few of these layouts will be open on Thursday evening. > > There is something for everyone. Clinics, women's activities, tours, good > fun and conversation. > > For complete information, visit our web site: www.trainweb. org/bsg > > See you in Milwaukee. > > "Sincerely, > Steve Lunde > 2008 S Fest Chairman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50263	From: Glenn	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Gorre & Daphetid RR

Here is the Gorre & Daphetid website: http://www.gdlines.com/ Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:01 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest Yes, I that was the Gorre and Daphetid (Gory and Defeated) - and yes, it did burn some time after his death. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) A. E. Johnson wrote: > > I believe that was John Allen. Wasn't it the Gorre and Delapid or > something > of that order? As I remember the story about this layout, it was featured > several times in the model railroad magazines, sortly after he died the > house burned down. There was nothing of the railroad to salvage. > > . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50264	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: OT: Slide Scanner

Hi Marty, I just bought a 21c Film and slide scaner at WalMart for a little less than 100 bucks. This is very cheap as slide scanners go. Remember that you always get what you pay for. It gives you 5.0 megapixel quality. This isn't too bad of a scanner and comes with PhotoImpression 6 software which is "OK". If your slide is not "dark" and was taken in good lighting, the scanner does an acceptable job. If the slide is dark forget it, you won't be happy with the results the scanner gives you. Maybe someone else that has a more expensive scanner can chime in with their experience. Hope this helps Regards, Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty.Thorin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] OT: Slide Scanner Gentlemen: I have a few slides of my layout that I would like to convert into digital images. Does anyone have a recommendation on a slide scanner that will produce nice TIFF and JPEG files? (I understand TIFF is archive grade and JPEGs are used for publication.) I have about 120,000 images so I am sure I will want to scan more later. Restoration of faded Ecktacrome and Agfa is required. Cropping and other photo tricks would be nice. The preferred mother machine is a HP desktop loaded with Ubuntu Linux. I also have access to a Dell XP Laptop. Oh -- All slides are mounted in the standard 2" * 2" mount. However the image within the mount sometimes varies. A few of the images are half 35mm, a few 4cm square, and other goodies going back into the 1930s. Some, instead of cardboard mounts, are sandwiched between two sheets of glass making them about 1/8 of an inch thick. (This was done because mold was attacking the cardboard mounts in 1959 in Texas.) If necessary I can transfer these to cardboard, I would prefer a SLIDE scanner, not a FLATBED scanner. I have access to a company scanner big enough to do 5 feet by <forever> and it does FANTASTIC work. So, does anyone recommend a slide scanner? Thank you for your assistance in preserving previous layout images, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50265	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Classic Toy Trains

I just got the promotional e-mail from Kalmbach's Classic Toy Trains, and it contains the following statement. -- Tom Hawley November is our HI-RAIL SPECIAL and in this issue we focus on operating toy trains in realistic settings. It's a popular concept with many of today's modelers, but its roots run surprisingly deep in the hobby with hi-rail layouts well-represented during the 1950s. Some of the topics covered in this month's articles include: a.. An old concept becomes a new trend - .defining hi-rail and what it means for the .hobby a.. An S gauge layout that proves American Flyer is just right for a realistic railroad a.. A layout that blends postwar accessories, great scenery, and dazzling operation a.. a.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50266	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: MP decals

would CDS Lettering be of any help   they are pobox 65074 Nepean ON K2G 5Y3 Canada --- On Sat, 9/20/08, David Engle <RIRocket@...> wrote: From: David Engle <RIRocket@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MP decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 9:56 PM Don't expect to reach Tom Stolte until the 29th; he is on a trip out west. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] MP decals AE, I guess my reply will show up one of these days, but try this: www.oddballsdecals. org He has MP decals for most everything gale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50267	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

These are my memories. My mother was from Ponder's Switch on the west side of Jonesboro (between Jonesboro and Hoxie). Dad was from the Reyno/Biggers area. There was some heavy stuff that came through that area from Memphis. I believe also that there were even some Berkshires on the MoP. My interest is at a different level. Next Sunday is my last day at work.then I retire. So I am now thinking about what I want in a layout and how much time it will require. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Rodgers Sr. Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:24 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals Hi A.E., I was reading some of your emails, My Dad and Mother were from Arkansas, Have you ever heard of Truman or Mark Tree, that's where my dad was from, Mom lived on a farm outside of Nettelton and Jonesburo..I remember when I was a kid looking at a big 2-8-2 pulling heaveyweights from my Grandads farm....Don Rodgers St.Pete Fl. >From: "A. E. Johnson" <bigfoot@... <mailto:bigfoot%40cyberback.com> > >Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:10:21 -0500 > >I really didn't mean to get off subject. For that I apologize. > > > >That is the Arkansas & Missouri line. They also operate and excursion >train >from Van Buren and Springdale. We took some of our grandchildren on it this >summer. My wife and I enjoyed it very much. The kids were bored. As we >passed through some small towns my wife and I could recall our childhoods >in >similar places. Are these RS-11's? I thought they might be RS-26's. In any >case is was great fun for us. > > > >A. E. Johnson > > > >From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf >Of David Engle >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:25 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals > > > >How about brass Alco's RS-11s in glossy maroon paint running between >(replicated) Fort Smith and Monett?? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gale Hall >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:19 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals > >A.E. > >I messed up as Dave pointed out it should be Stolte....ok you went to his >layout site, did you go to the decal site? > >Are you still in Vilonia? > >You could model the line from Van Burenup thru Morrilton and Conway, I >think >there was a Federal Compress at Conway..and then do the speedway from NLR >up >to Beebe and Kensett and do the branch over to Searcy the DK&S...you could >catch the MP the RI and MNA...enlarge the garage, shoot you could model >Central Arkansas.. > >gale hall >frisco91@... <mailto:frisco91%40swbell.net> <mailto:frisco91%40swbell.net> > >----- Original Message ----- >From: A. E. Johnson >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:07 PM >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals > >I appreciate Tom Stoltz's site information. I am saving it this time. I >retire after Sunday. Then I have several "high priority" HONEY DO's. About >4th on that list is to clean out the garage so I can build a train room in >it. Then I will begin constructing my layout. > >I was raised on the MoP. Saw a lot of Cotton Belt, Rock Island, KCS and >Frisco. So you can get some idea of what I want on my layout. I looked at >Tom's site a few minutes ago. I will want some of the same stuff on mine. I >would like to show the cotton compress, rice silos, etc. At least I can add >some definition to my dreams. Have the fun is figuring out how this will >all >come together. > >Thanx to all. > >From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On >Behalf >Of Gale Hall >Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:17 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals > >AE, > >What are you looking for in MP decals? Tom Stoltz that has Oddballs Decals >has a lot of MP and will make them in S. > >gale >----- Original Message ----- >From: A. E. Johnson >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ><mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:10 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] Decals > >Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri >Pacific in S Scale? > >A. E. Johnson > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50268	From: Jim King	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Smoky Mtn. web site updated

At the suggestion of Dick Karnes, I've uploaded all of my kit instructions on their respective web page (go to the bottom of each page or each product to see the appropriate links). All files are in Adobe PDF format. Some are quite large .. in the 8-10 mb range, so folks with a dial-up connection may have problems or, at least, have to wait a while for the file(s) to download. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50269	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: SHS track

ok there was no feeder wire with spade connector in the box.  must purchase it separate, I guess.      thanks a bunch --- On Sat, 9/20/08, william cole <billcwithonec@...> wrote: From: william cole <billcwithonec@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 11:39 PM go to the S-Helper Service website http://www.showcaseline.com/ then on the menu on the left, go to "Track" then go to "S-Trax Overview" scroll down to "Wiring S-Trax Track" ...which states: " Wiring S-Trax track is very simple. Just clip our #00255 Feeder wires w/spade connector to the underside wiring tabs. THe S-Scale manufacturers seem to be a whole lot better at making information available than those in most other scales...checking the manufacturer's web-sites is best to do first! Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ¡¡Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¢¢ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sat, 9/20/08, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] SHS track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 9:07 PM I saw a box of it in the store. $68.00 for an oval and was not like Bachman or Life Like where you have a special track with a plug to insert. It wa not like Atlas where you screw the wires from the transformer to the track, and it was not like American Flyer which has the 690 track terminal. SO how do you hook the transformer to the tack? that is a $68.00 question. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50270	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

C D S Lettering POBox 65074 Nepean ON K2G 5Y3 Canada      Hope this helps --- On Sat, 9/20/08, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 8:10 PM there is a company in Canada I did business with years ago. Lost the address.  in Ontario. --- On Sat, 9/20/08, A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@cyberback. com> wrote: From: A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@cyberback. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 7:10 PM Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri Pacific in S Scale? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50271	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

I found it C-D-S Lettering P.O.Box --- On Sat, 9/20/08, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 8:10 PM there is a company in Canada I did business with years ago. Lost the address.  in Ontario. --- On Sat, 9/20/08, A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@cyberback. com> wrote: From: A. E. Johnson <bigfoot@cyberback. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 7:10 PM Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri Pacific in S Scale? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50272	From: roy inman	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: SHS track

When I have bought the six-pack of SHS track I thought that a feeder wire was included... You might contact Don Thompson and check with him. Roy Inman From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:29:16 -0700 (PDT) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS track ok there was no feeder wire with spade connector in the box.  must purchase it separate, I guess.      thanks a bunch --- On Sat, 9/20/08, william cole <billcwithonec@... <mailto:billcwithonec%40yahoo.com> > wrote: From: william cole <billcwithonec@... <mailto:billcwithonec%40yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 11:39 PM go to the S-Helper Service website http://www.showcaseline.com/ then on the menu on the left, go to "Track" then go to "S-Trax Overview" scroll down to "Wiring S-Trax Track" ...which states: " Wiring S-Trax track is very simple. Just clip our #00255 Feeder wires w/spade connector to the underside wiring tabs. THe S-Scale manufacturers seem to be a whole lot better at making information available than those in most other scales...checking the manufacturer's web-sites is best to do first! Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:LOandS%40yahoogroups.com> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ¡¡Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¢¢ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sat, 9/20/08, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@... <mailto:mikenguy9%40yahoo.com> > wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@... <mailto:mikenguy9%40yahoo.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] SHS track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 9:07 PM I saw a box of it in the store. $68.00 for an oval and was not like Bachman or Life Like where you have a special track with a plug to insert. It wa not like Atlas where you screw the wires from the transformer to the track, and it was not like American Flyer which has the 690 track terminal. SO how do you hook the transformer to the tack? that is a $68.00 question. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50273	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

Evening, Actually the bulk of the motive power on the A&M is Alco C420's and there is a RS-32 used to be #42 and now it is #30 there are some M420 and a H412, the x Belt Ry of Chicago C424's a working in New York state for the time being oh yes there are the T-6 switchers and a RS-1 rounding out the power... gale----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals I really didn't mean to get off subject. For that I apologize. That is the Arkansas & Missouri line. They also operate and excursion train from Van Buren and Springdale. We took some of our grandchildren on it this summer. My wife and I enjoyed it very much. The kids were bored. As we passed through some small towns my wife and I could recall our childhoods in similar places. Are these RS-11's? I thought they might be RS-26's. In any case is was great fun for us. A. E. Johnson From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Engle Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals How about brass Alco's RS-11s in glossy maroon paint running between (replicated) Fort Smith and Monett?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals A.E. I messed up as Dave pointed out it should be Stolte....ok you went to his layout site, did you go to the decal site? Are you still in Vilonia? You could model the line from Van Burenup thru Morrilton and Conway, I think there was a Federal Compress at Conway..and then do the speedway from NLR up to Beebe and Kensett and do the branch over to Searcy the DK&S...you could catch the MP the RI and MNA...enlarge the garage, shoot you could model Central Arkansas.. gale hall frisco91@... <mailto:frisco91%40swbell.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Decals I appreciate Tom Stoltz's site information. I am saving it this time. I retire after Sunday. Then I have several "high priority" HONEY DO's. About 4th on that list is to clean out the garage so I can build a train room in it. Then I will begin constructing my layout. I was raised on the MoP. Saw a lot of Cotton Belt, Rock Island, KCS and Frisco. So you can get some idea of what I want on my layout. I looked at Tom's site a few minutes ago. I will want some of the same stuff on mine. I would like to show the cotton compress, rice silos, etc. At least I can add some definition to my dreams. Have the fun is figuring out how this will all come together. Thanx to all. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Gale Hall Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:17 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Decals AE, What are you looking for in MP decals? Tom Stoltz that has Oddballs Decals has a lot of MP and will make them in S. gale ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Decals Wasn't there someone in this group that made decals? Particularly Missouri Pacific in S Scale? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50274	From: Trains	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

John Allens Layout was "The Gorre and Depheated" (sp?) basically getting a bit of humor in the railroad name and, maybe, a bit of truth. Peter L [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50275	From: Trains	Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: OT: Slide Scanner

Marty...you may wish to check "tigerdirect.com" large online selection, check site ..they are helpful with questions, they ave a few different types/priced slide scanners. Peter L [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50276	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: SHS track

Only our 00256 Track Set includes the feeder wires (also all train sets with track do too). The feeder wires are 00255 and are in stock. There are 6 feeder wires, but you can make your own as we also sell the shoes that fit over the rail joiner tabs. Then you can make the wire any length. Best regards Don PS If you did purchase a track set and there were no wires, give us a call so we can send out the missing wires.... On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:03 PM, roy inman wrote: > When I have bought the six-pack of SHS track I thought that a feeder > wire > was included... > > You might contact Don Thompson and check with him. > > Roy Inman > > From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:29:16 -0700 (PDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS track > > ok there was no feeder wire with spade connector in the box. must > purchase > it separate, I guess. > thanks a bunch > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, william cole <billcwithonec@... > <mailto:billcwithonec%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: william cole <billcwithonec@... > <mailto:billcwithonec%40yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS track > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 11:39 PM > > go to the S-Helper Service website > > http://www.showcaseline.com/ > > then on the menu on the left, go to "Track" > > then go to "S-Trax Overview" > > scroll down to "Wiring S-Trax Track" > > ...which states: " > > Wiring S-Trax > track is very simple. Just clip our #00255 > Feeder wires w/spade connector to the underside wiring tabs. > > THe S-Scale manufacturers seem to be a whole lot better at making > information > available than those in most other scales...checking the > manufacturer's > web-sites is best to do first! > Bc > > LOandS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:LOandS%40yahoogroups.com> > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Pink Spider > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related> > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale > > Which determines the way they go. ...." > > -EWW > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > SUPPORT ¡¡Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¢¢ > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@... > <mailto:mikenguy9%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@... <mailto:mikenguy9%40yahoo.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] SHS track > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 9:07 PM > > I saw a box of it in the store. $68.00 for an oval > > and was not like Bachman or Life Like where you have a > > special track with a plug to insert. > > It wa not like Atlas where you screw the wires from the transformer > > to the track, and it was not like American Flyer which has > > the 690 track terminal. > > SO how do you hook the transformer to the tack? > > that is a $68.00 question. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50277	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: The GD Line molded my world...

Some of you more senior members of the group will remember John Allen's fabulous HO railroad being used by Allen to make photos of the Varney line of HO products. Allen's photographic skills were on a par with his modeling skills and brought him to the attention of Gordon Varney in the early fifties. I remember the back cover of Model Railroader being a photo on the Gorre & Daphetid of some new Varney product every month for quite a while. Before I could read Dad's magazines, I was fascinated by the pictures! Like a lot of guys from my generation, this helped introduce me to the world of "model" railroading. In those days there was a lot of crude cardstock and balsa rolling stock kits, TruScale milled roadbed with brass rail you had to lay yourself, and a battle of what brand of couplers you were going to use. But it was also a time of easy comeradery in the hobby, with humor and creativity much more widespread. After all, who in today's world would name their layout Gorre & Daphetid? As I grew up, John Allen greatly influenced my way of playing with trains, and still does today. Allen hung a diesel salesman from a trestle, used a Stegosaurous to switch cars in the Gorre yard, and did all kinds of fun stuff on the GD Line. The man obviously enjoyed his hobby a lot, and I do too! I was lucky enough to buy a copy of the book "Model Railroading with John Allen" some years ago. It's out of print, but worth buying if you can find a copy and it tells the whole story of a unique man and his railroad. Stumpy Stone...still having fun with trains after all these years.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50278	From: Jim Marski	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: HOBBY SHOPS

Bob,   Just so happens, I am hosting my annual open house for Rocky Mountain Division of TCA theis Saturday, sept 27th from 10AM to 3PM. About 1-1/2 hours from the Springs.   Jim Marski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50279	From: ekaplan707	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Sound Control Buttons

If you can swing it the better way to go is to invest in a Lionel TMCC Command set consisting of a Command Base and Cab1. Then you can get a TPC300 Track Power controller. The TPC allows you to vary the track voltage from your transformer using the Cab1 remote controller. This means you can be anywhere around your layout and control your engine instead of being stuck in front of your transformer. A second advantage is that the waveform applied to the voltage will result in much improved control of all of your old engines as well as newer ones. The third advantage is that when you press the bell or whistle button on the Cab1, the TPC will apply an appropriate DC offset on the track to enable your bell and whistle equipped engines. This includes not only newer engines like the Northern, but older MPC stuff from the 80s. Of course once you have the command set your ready to go to run any of the command engines such as the Mikados, Pacifics, or the Big Boy that are out or about to come out. The Command set and TPC will run a little over $200 but will provide a much more interesting ability to control your trains. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lynnshouse2000" <lynnshouse2000@...> wrote: > > I recently purchased a Flyonel #48064 Milwaukee 4-8-4. The > instruction sheet says that two #65906 control buttons should be used > to control the whistle and bell sounds. None are furnished with the > locomotive. After checking the Lionel website and with my nearest LHS > it appears these are no longer made. Isn't there a relatively easy > way to fabricate a substitute using a push button and diode from Radio > Shack? Has anyone done this? I am presently using vintage AF > transformers for power. Unfortunately a new transformer with the > control buttons built in is not in my railroad budget for this year. > Thanks in advance for the assist. > > Lynn Ray >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50280	From: G C	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

As an aside, if any of you are familiar with Daryl Huffman, the guy who produces all of the scenery DVDs, he was one of the last people who was a regular operator on the G&D. I spoke with Daryl a couple of times about other things , but he told me of his experience. If you want more information he has a web site and is very responsive to emails.   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50281	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Flyonel Sound Control Buttons

100% agree. One other distinct advantage to TMCC with a TPC 300 or 400 (or 2, 3, etc. depending on the number of loops you have) is that when you sound a horn or bell on a conventional or TMCC engine its speed does not change. With Lionel Sound Activation Buttons (SAB) conventional engines slow down some and the headlight dims a bit when you press either button (assuming you wire a pair of SAB's in series so you can sound a horn with one and a bell with the other). Also with TMCC/TPC you don't pay a hidden 10-15% track power bleed down tax in order to preempt slowing down when you press the button(s) the way QMS or Ott boxes do (or should I say used to now that AM doesn't offer them any more). IMHO if you're going to spring for the couple of hundred to get started in TMCC and can make the leap instead to Legacy, do it. Love mine. I have a Cab1 and TMCC command base in the workshop for benchwork and testing and take the Cab1 to run at shows with the club, but otherwise the train room is strictly Legacy (990 and 993) and there's no looking back. The best announcement in the past year was that the AF Big Boy will be Legacy capable. Should be some kind of fun. The next great announcement would be if Lionel issues their UP Heritage roadname SD70's in AF with Legacy. Have you seen the O-gauge versions of those? Beautiful beasts. And available for $369 or less. Amazing.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50282	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY SHOPS

Jim.... leaving in a few hours.... send me info.... my cell number is 904-504-4631... will be at Days inn at the Garden of the Gods Thursday night.... Want to come.... Have a date at about 6 Sat evening in CS... Bob... Enjoyed our visit last time.... -------------- Original message from Jim Marski <jim_marski@...>: -------------- Bob, Just so happens, I am hosting my annual open house for Rocky Mountain Division of TCA theis Saturday, sept 27th from 10AM to 3PM. About 1-1/2 hours from the Springs. Jim Marski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50283	From: William Porter	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti

Hi Aztec, Can you provide any more information about these scenes? I visited the nearest Wal-Mart and they did not have them. What is the brand name? What State are you located in? These things look to be pretty handy. I would like to help the locals figure out how to stock them. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AZTECFAN Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or tire store I always tour the stores looking for new products that come out for Christmas. Found these 3 cars with details scenes for $9 at Wal Mart. http://ph.groups <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/7f3e?c=> yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/7f3e?c= ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50284	From: Eric R.	Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: OT: Slide Scanner

Thorin: I bought a powerslide 3600 by Pacific imaging Co. from B & H Camera mail-order (www.bhphotovideo.com) for about $500 about a year ago. It looks like a slide projector and loads a slide tray with 50 slides in it. You connect it to your computer, turn it on and with a few inputs let it go. It creates 50 JPEG files on your hard drive in about 90 minutes. I make them 3600 dpi (a fairly high quality scan). I had the unit die on me once and PI sent me another (free under 1 year warranty) rather than repair it. It is a bit cranky and jams sometimes if the slides are twisted. At least it knows when it jams and shuts down and waits for you to restart it. I have done about 1200 of my 3500 slides so far. This only works for standard slides in paper or plastic holders. I use Adobe Photoshop Elements (now 6.0) a $45 program with discounts that does all the cropping and other detailing (lightening, etc) that I need to do. I do recommend B&H by the way and have NO affiliation to them. Plus they have a great online catalog for viewing. Eric Reis Kenmore, WA -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marty.Thorin Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:27 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] OT: Slide Scanner Gentlemen: I have a few slides of my layout that I would like to convert into digital images. Does anyone have a recommendation on a slide scanner that will produce nice TIFF and JPEG files? (I understand TIFF is archive grade and JPEGs are used for publication.) I have about 120,000 images so I am sure I will want to scan more later. Restoration of faded Ecktacrome and Agfa is required. Cropping and other photo tricks would be nice. The preferred mother machine is a HP desktop loaded with Ubuntu Linux. I also have access to a Dell XP Laptop. Oh -- All slides are mounted in the standard 2" * 2" mount. However the image within the mount sometimes varies. A few of the images are half 35mm, a few 4cm square, and other goodies going back into the 1930s. Some, instead of cardboard mounts, are sandwiched between two sheets of glass making them about 1/8 of an inch thick. (This was done because mold was attacking the cardboard mounts in 1959 in Texas.) If necessary I can transfer these to cardboard, I would prefer a SLIDE scanner, not a FLATBED scanner. I have access to a company scanner big enough to do 5 feet by <forever> and it does FANTASTIC work. So, does anyone recommend a slide scanner? Thank you for your assistance in preserving previous layout images, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50285	From: Glenn	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti

Here is the company website. You can click on each item for a larger view. http://www.motormaxtoy.com/category/56 I tried several Wal-Marts and bout 3 different sets to complete the interior of a 50s ESSO Pine Canyon gas station. Some Wal-Marts are just out of stock. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: William Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 20:39 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or tire store Hi Aztec, Can you provide any more information about these scenes? I visited the nearest Wal-Mart and they did not have them. What is the brand name? What State are you located in? These things look to be pretty handy. I would like to help the locals figure out how to stock them. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AZTECFAN Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or tire store I always tour the stores looking for new products that come out for Christmas. Found these 3 cars with details scenes for $9 at Wal Mart. http://ph.groups <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/7f3e?c=> yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/7f3e?c= ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.1/1688 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:29 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50286	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: OT: Slide Scanner

Thorin, I am a professional photographer and now run an all digital studio. In my humble opinion if you want professional results and if your slides are of high quality, buy a professional quality scanner. I have owned several Nikon scanners and they have been very reliable and of high quality. If you are serious about preserving or using your 100,000 plus images buy the best scanner you can afford. As Eric Reis suggests B&H camera is a very reliable and probably the best price source for any quality scanner. As he also suggests... Photoshop of some version is a MUST for serious work. It is absolutely the standard of the industry. If however you are only interested in converting say 2 or 3 hundred images you might also consider using an outside source to scan them. Do a Google search for "slide scanning service". I think you will find that scans start around 29 cents for a 3000 dpi scan. That's pretty cheap. Also... not to get into a long discussion about file types, but.... a .tif file is an uncompressed image file that is generally thought of as a "professional" format. This is what most high end commercial printers would prefer. A .jpg file is a somewhat compressed file and in the latest version of Photoshop can be compressed on a sliding scale between 1 and 12. There is some arguable data loss with any compression, but the advantage is a significantly smaller file size. Hope this helps more than it confuses. Mark Anderman -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> > Gentlemen: > I have a few slides of my layout that I would like to convert into > digital images. Does anyone have a recommendation on a slide scanner > that will produce nice TIFF and JPEG files? (I understand TIFF is > archive grade and JPEGs are used for publication.) I have about 120,000 > images so I am sure I will want to scan more later. Restoration of > faded Ecktacrome and Agfa is required. Cropping and other photo tricks > would be nice. The preferred mother machine is a HP desktop loaded with > Ubuntu Linux. I also have access to a Dell XP Laptop. > > Oh -- All slides are mounted in the standard 2" * 2" mount. However the > image within the mount sometimes varies. A few of the images are half > 35mm, a few 4cm square, and other goodies going back into the 1930s. > Some, instead of cardboard mounts, are sandwiched between two sheets of > glass making them about 1/8 of an inch thick. (This was done because > mold was attacking the cardboard mounts in 1959 in Texas.) If necessary > I can transfer these to cardboard, I would prefer a SLIDE scanner, not > a FLATBED scanner. I have access to a company scanner big enough to do > 5 feet by <forever> and it does FANTASTIC work. > > So, does anyone recommend a slide scanner? > > Thank you for your assistance in preserving previous layout images, > Thorin > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50287	From: William Porter	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or ti

Thanks Glenn. Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:37 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new auto project details for kit bashing a old gas station or tire store Here is the company website. You can click on each item for a larger view. http://www.motormax <http://www.motormaxtoy.com/category/56> toy.com/category/56 I tried several Wal-Marts and bout 3 different sets to complete the interior of a 50s ESSO Pine Canyon gas station. Some Wal-Marts are just out of stock. Glenn __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50288	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Railroad Model Craftsman column

Hi Everyone I don't know if many of you have seen Keith Wills's `Collectors Consist' column in the October issue of Railroad Model Craftsman, but it really is worth reading. The title is `Balsa Wood trains', but that doesn't describe the column's contents. Mr. Wills's column covers Ed Packard's Cleveland Models and Supply C-D gauge locomotive and rolling stock kits. These were the beginning of `S' gauge model railroading in the late 1930's. The article is very informative, and contains views of three instruction sheets for a Pennsy 0-6-0, a flatcar and a caboose. These would have been a real challenge to build, much less motorize `S' has sure come along way! Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50289	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Railroad Model Craftsman column

If you can remember the 30's from your history class. � ���������� the 30's was a depression for some people. you could not buy without �money.� so people made thing, and usually from scratch;� hence SCRATCHBUILT. � Ham radio also. --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Karl Raab <Frilen@...> wrote: From: Karl Raab <Frilen@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Railroad Model Craftsman column To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 2:16 PM Hi Everyone I don't know if many of you have seen Keith Wills's `Collectors Consist' column in the October issue of Railroad Model Craftsman, but it really is worth reading. The title is `Balsa Wood trains', but that doesn't describe the column's contents. Mr. Wills's column covers Ed Packard's Cleveland Models and Supply C-D gauge locomotive and rolling stock kits. These were the beginning of `S' gauge model railroading�in the late 1930's. The article is very informative, and contains views of three instruction sheets for a Pennsy 0-6-0, a flatcar and a caboose. These would have been a real challenge to build, much less motorize� �`S' has sure come along way! Karl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50290	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50291	From: roy inman	Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Railroad Model Craftsman column

For everyone who recalls the scratch building era with fondness, take heart: The Greater Depression we are just entering will provide opportunities anew. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:42:50 -0700 (PDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Railroad Model Craftsman column > > If you can remember the 30's from your history class. >   >            the 30's was a depression for some people. you could not buy > without >  money.  so people made thing, and usually from scratch;  hence SCRATCHBUILT. >   > Ham radio also. > > --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Karl Raab <Frilen@...> wrote: > > From: Karl Raab <Frilen@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Railroad Model Craftsman column > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 2:16 PM > > > > > > > Hi Everyone > > I don't know if many of you have seen Keith Wills's `Collectors > Consist' column in the October issue of Railroad Model Craftsman, but > it really is worth reading. > The title is `Balsa Wood trains', but that doesn't describe the > column's contents. > Mr. Wills's column covers Ed Packard's Cleveland Models and Supply C-D > gauge locomotive and rolling stock kits. > These were the beginning of `S' gauge model railroading in the late > 1930's. > The article is very informative, and contains views of three > instruction sheets for a Pennsy 0-6-0, a flatcar and a caboose. > These would have been a real challenge to build, much less motorize > > `S' has sure come along way! > Karl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50292	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

sorry " weber beer " --- On Sat, 9/20/08, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 8:20 PM any body ever heard of 'WEBBER BEER'?   there was a guy  his layout was in Model Railroader called Gorre and Delphia and Athearn made cars in that road name. --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Steve Lunde <ace5348@att. net> wrote: From: Steve Lunde <ace5348@att. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups .com, "Badgerland" <Badgerland@yahoogro ups.com> Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 1:55 PM Group, "On the Road to Milwaukee", that's the theme for this year's Fall S Fest. Hard to believe, but it will be here in just 2 months. That means time is running out to get registered. The Badgerland S Gaugers are hosting this year's Fall S Fest in MIlwaukee, Wisconsin November 14th through 16th. This is one of the largest gathering of "exclusively S" events in the country, so don't miss out. Fall S Fest will be held at the beautiful Wyndham Airport Hotel & Convention Center, 4747 S. Howell Avenue, Milwaukee, WI. This hotel has easy access from both I-94 and I-43. It also has free shuttles from the Milwaukee Airport as well as the new Airport AMTRAK station. We have arranged a room rate of $89.00 per night, just mention Fall S Fest when making a reservation. Hurry, since this rate is only good through October 30, 2008. The trading room is over 14,000 square feet, which means all vendors and manufacturers will be in one room. This year's S Fest car is the famous Waukesha "WEBER Beer" reefer. Only a limited number have been produced. You must register to purchase these cars. Our banquet speaker is Mr. Dave Myers. Dave was a military railroad engineer. Dave will speak of his experiences as well as the history of Military Railroading. Sunday will feature self-guided home layout tours. 6 layouts will be on display. For those who arrive on Thursday, a few of these layouts will be open on Thursday evening. There is something for everyone. Clinics, women's activities, tours, good fun and conversation. For complete information, visit our web site: www.trainweb. org/bsg See you in Milwaukee. "Sincerely, Steve Lunde 2008 S Fest Chairman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50293	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest

Dear Mike, I too never heard of Weber Beer until contacted by our friends of Badgerland looking for a new S Fest convention reefer. With a little research, I was able to find a beer label from Tavern Trove to start the artwork. A similar label is on sale on e-bay... http://cgi.ebay.com/(OLD)-WEBER-BEER-12OZ-BOTTLE-LABEL-WAUKESHA-WI--_W0QQitemZ310083960121QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20080916?IMSfp=TL080916107004r36369#ebayphotohosting Tavern Trove also provides a little history of the brewery. Weber Waukesha Brewery of Waukesha, Wisconsin http://www.taverntrove.com/breweries/1465.asp More can be found if you google Weber Waukesha Brewery. Best, Don On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:13 PM, mike rosz wrote: > sorry " weber beer " [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50294	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Railroad Model Craftsman column

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > For everyone who recalls the scratch building era with fondness, take heart: > The Greater Depression we are just entering will provide opportunities anew. > > Cheers :) > Cheers???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50295	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fall Get Together

Just a reminder, the Fall Get Together will be tomorrow at Christ Church hall in South Amboy, NJ. More can be found at our webpage: http://www.nasg.org/cjss.html For those who want to help set up, we will be meeting at the church noon today. Remember if you are bringing motive power to run, we are now 100% DCC (a tip of the hat to Bill Lane and his NCE system). Best, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50296	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Weber Beer Label(s)

I did a search on eBay for Weber Beer Label and found several different styles. I prefer the one with the indian overlooking the valley (Pioneer Beer) for a billboard reefer. The label with the ram (Bock Beer) looks interesting too. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50297	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: FinestKind Models at York?

Does anyone typically have FinestKind Models S-scale detail items for sale at York? if so, whom and which in hall(s)? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50298	From: Jennifer Fuss	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Introduction and question

Hello, I'm new to this group, so I first wanted to introduce myself. My name is Jennifer, and I'm completely inexperienced in model trains. I've always enjoyed going to train gardens at local firehouses in the area, and I've always thought it might be neat to take up trains as a hobby. Lucky for me, my father gave me the American Flyer set that he used to play with as a kid. One of the things I'd like to do for him this Christmas is set up his train when he is sleeping on Christmas Eve, so it's running for him on Christmas day. (I don't intend to make it fancy with landscaping; I just want the train to run for the moment.) Unfortunately, there are some glitches with his set, and I'm hoping you all might be able to help me out. First, some years back (I'm not sure exactly when), my father gave his broken engine to someone he knew to repair it. Sadly, the gentleman had a heart attack and passed away in the midst of the repair, so the engine is currently in pieces. My question is whether it is worth it for me to find a repair shop and get the engine repaired, or if I should just buy a new engine? I'd prefer to get his original engine working, but I don't know if that's feasible. If you all recommend repairing it, do any of you know of anyone in the Baltimore/Washington, DC area who might be available to help? My other question is regarding the state of the train. How do I know if it is even in good condition? Are there obvious signs of wear that I should look for (e.g., rust)? My dad was born in 1944, so I'm guessing the trains are from the 1950's, and I don't know how long they've been sitting in boxes. Fortunately, the boxes haven't been subjected to any major disasters, and from what I've seen, the trains still look pretty decent. Thank you all for your help. Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50299	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fall Get Together

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50300	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Railroad Model Craftsman column

Ed Packard's Cleveland Models and Supply C-D > The article is very informative, and contains views of three > instruction sheets for a Pennsy 0-6-0, a flatcar and a caboose. > These would have been a real challenge to build, much less motorize Very interesting. I have the 0-6-0 But I need the plans for It. I do have the plans for the C-D U.P. Zephyr. Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m6iSO2u6l0Lh3RHp9GZgVhjJjjWzKuQ3czQQ8PdCo1MQ7N5/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50301	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Weber Beer Label(s)

To those wanting to see a photo of this car (SHS reefer). It was in a recent S Gaugian in the ad for the Fall S Fest and on the cover of the June NASG Dispatch. It might also be on our website (BSG) - check www.nasg.org and go to Badgerland S Gaugers or Fall S Fest under events. Jeff ________________________________ > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: bull_gator_1@... > Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:12:36 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] Weber Beer Label(s) > > > I did a search on eBay for Weber Beer Label and found several > different styles. I prefer the one with the indian overlooking the > valley (Pioneer Beer) for a billboard reefer. The label with the ram > (Bock Beer) looks interesting too. > > BG1 > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50302	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and question

Jennifer, Welcome to the group, My name is Larry Moore and I live in Weaverville, NC. I would be more than happy to put this engine back in working order for you, at no charge. The only cost to you would be shipping to and from my house, probably in the range of $10.00 to $20.00 total. Generally speaking a Flyer engine, unless it is rusted, just requires a cleaning and lube to get running again. Assuming you have all the parts, it should not be difficult. If there is a screw or two missing and nothing major, I have parts to restore it. If you are interested in my offer, please email me at mo2337@... or call me at 828-775-3806, cell or 828-645-9941, home. Thanks, Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jenfuss@...: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:32:45 -0400Subject: [S-Trains] Introduction and question Hello,I'm new to this group, so I first wanted to introduce myself. My name is Jennifer, and I'm completely inexperienced in model trains. I've always enjoyed going to train gardens at local firehouses in the area, and I've always thought it might be neat to take up trains as a hobby. Lucky for me, my father gave me the American Flyer set that he used to play with as a kid. One of the things I'd like to do for him this Christmas is set up his train when he is sleeping on Christmas Eve, so it's running for him on Christmas day. (I don't intend to make it fancy with landscaping; I just want the train to run for the moment.) Unfortunately, there are some glitches with his set, and I'm hoping you all might be able to help me out.First, some years back (I'm not sure exactly when), my father gave his broken engine to someone he knew to repair it. Sadly, the gentleman had a heart attack and passed away in the midst of the repair, so the engine is currently in pieces. My question is whether it is worth it for me to find a repair shop and get the engine repaired, or if I should just buy a new engine? I'd prefer to get his original engine working, but I don't know if that's feasible. If you all recommend repairing it, do any of you know of anyone in the Baltimore/Washington, DC area who might be available to help?My other question is regarding the state of the train. How do I know if it is even in good condition? Are there obvious signs of wear that I should look for (e.g., rust)? My dad was born in 1944, so I'm guessing the trains are from the 1950's, and I don't know how long they've been sitting in boxes. Fortunately, the boxes haven't been subjected to any major disasters, and from what I've seen, the trains still look pretty decent. Thank you all for your help.Jennifer__________________________________________________________Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live.http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50303	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and question

Jennifer, The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club will be operating its modular layout at the Great Scale and Hi-Rail Model Train Show at the Timonium Fair grounds (York Rd - north of Baltimore) on Saturday and Sunday, October 11-12.  If you could come by the show, the club would be happy to look at your dad's engine and see whether it is repairable or should be replaced.  If repairable, we would also be able to discuss with you how to go about getting it done.  Hope to see you at the show.  Welcome to the American Flyer train world -- its a lot of fun for young and OLD. Greg Klein Lovettsville, VA moviemadness2@... ----- Original Message ---- From: Jennifer Fuss <jenfuss@...> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 12:32:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Introduction and question Hello, I'm new to this group, so I first wanted to introduce myself. My name is Jennifer, and I'm completely inexperienced in model trains. I've always enjoyed going to train gardens at local firehouses in the area, and I've always thought it might be neat to take up trains as a hobby. Lucky for me, my father gave me the American Flyer set that he used to play with as a kid. One of the things I'd like to do for him this Christmas is set up his train when he is sleeping on Christmas Eve, so it's running for him on Christmas day. (I don't intend to make it fancy with landscaping; I just want the train to run for the moment.) Unfortunately, there are some glitches with his set, and I'm hoping you all might be able to help me out. First, some years back (I'm not sure exactly when), my father gave his broken engine to someone he knew to repair it. Sadly, the gentleman had a heart attack and passed away in the midst of the repair, so the engine is currently in pieces. My question is whether it is worth it for me to find a repair shop and get the engine repaired, or if I should just buy a new engine? I'd prefer to get his original engine working, but I don't know if that's feasible. If you all recommend repairing it, do any of you know of anyone in the Baltimore/Washingto n, DC area who might be available to help? My other question is regarding the state of the train. How do I know if it is even in good condition? Are there obvious signs of wear that I should look for (e.g., rust)? My dad was born in 1944, so I'm guessing the trains are from the 1950's, and I don't know how long they've been sitting in boxes. Fortunately, the boxes haven't been subjected to any major disasters, and from what I've seen, the trains still look pretty decent. Thank you all for your help. Jennifer ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt com/MRT/go/ msnnkwxp10200931 85mrt/direct/ 01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50304	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and question

Hi Jennifer, now that you are a part of the group why don't you post photos of the train so we can see what it is you are talking about. You can also tell us what number the train is, and that will help as well. The number is under the cab windows if it is steem - 300-326 or higher like 21139 so take a look. Now if the engine is a diesel Locomotive the numbers can be on the side, and the numbers can be 360 or higher like 21927 They my say the name like Santa Fa on the side as well. The higher the number, and it could be a rare one the more the $$$$ for the train. Some of the first train out can be big bucks as well. If there is a smoke unit in the tender of an 332 engine you could be up there $2500.00 or more. You would not want a child to play with that one. A friend of mine has a shop, and this man that came in to his shop wanting to know if he could get his train repaired. He had his train in his hand showing what his kid did to it with a BB gun. The train was a BN set, and now junk. There are few parts out there, and less OEM parts to repair something like that. Clayton --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Jennifer Fuss <jenfuss@...> wrote: > From: Jennifer Fuss <jenfuss@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Introduction and question > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 9:32 AM > Hello, > > I'm new to this group, so I first wanted to introduce > myself. My name is Jennifer, and I'm completely > inexperienced in model trains. I've always enjoyed > going to train gardens at local firehouses in the area, and > I've always thought it might be neat to take up trains > as a hobby. Lucky for me, my father gave me the American > Flyer set that he used to play with as a kid. One of the > things I'd like to do for him this Christmas is set up > his train when he is sleeping on Christmas Eve, so it's > running for him on Christmas day. (I don't intend to > make it fancy with landscaping; I just want the train to run > for the moment.) Unfortunately, there are some glitches > with his set, and I'm hoping you all might be able to > help me out. > > First, some years back (I'm not sure exactly when), my > father gave his broken engine to someone he knew to repair > it. Sadly, the gentleman had a heart attack and passed away > in the midst of the repair, so the engine is currently in > pieces. My question is whether it is worth it for me to > find a repair shop and get the engine repaired, or if I > should just buy a new engine? I'd prefer to get his > original engine working, but I don't know if that's > feasible. If you all recommend repairing it, do any of you > know of anyone in the Baltimore/Washington, DC area who > might be available to help? > > My other question is regarding the state of the train. How > do I know if it is even in good condition? Are there > obvious signs of wear that I should look for (e.g., rust)? > My dad was born in 1944, so I'm guessing the trains are > from the 1950's, and I don't know how long > they've been sitting in boxes. Fortunately, the boxes > haven't been subjected to any major disasters, and from > what I've seen, the trains still look pretty decent. > > Thank you all for your help. > > Jennifer > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone > with Windows Live. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50305	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Introduction and a question

Welcome aboard! There are folks here who can answer just about any question you can ask, and they're pretty friendly too. Now, as to repairing your trains...I have rebuilt many locomotives and cars from stuff I found in junk boxes at train shows, so it would have to be pretty bad to be non-fixable! (The BB gun deal would be one of those cases however.) Most parts are availible and anyone who repairs old American Flyer will know where to get them. Repairing an engine which is in pieces often is a double problem. First, are all the parts still there? Second if so, what is wrong, since it is apart and can't be tested? Even so, this shouldn't be a catastrophy, just a glitch in the process. Playing with trains is an enjoyable and stress relieving hobby. Building and running a train layout puts you in charge of your own little world. And doing so will teach you some new skills and need not get expensive. Even though your current focus is just to get your train up and running for Christmas, don't be surprised if it becomes a new hobby interest. Stumpy Stone...playing with trains since 1954 and still having fun...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50306	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Help, Instructions!!

Hey Guys & Girls, I have a grand-nephew that is into the train world big time. I also have a MTH House on Fire, model #30-9139, that I'd like to set up on the layout this Christmas for him to enjoy. Only problem is that I bought this from a friend awhile ago and can't find the instructions to it. Is there anyone out there in the group that might happen to have a set of instructions they could scan and send to me off list? I certainly would appreciate it. Thanks, Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50307	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and a question

Jennifer, if you like & your engine is a smoker. I will send you a bottle of smoke fluid to get you started. Mike PS: send your address of list to _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) In a message dated 9/27/2008 6:03:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Welcome aboard! There are folks here who can answer just about any question you can ask, and they're pretty friendly too. Now, as to repairing your trains...I have rebuilt many locomotives and cars from stuff I found in junk boxes at train shows, so it would have to be pretty bad to be non-fixable! (The BB gun deal would be one of those cases however.) Most parts are availible and anyone who repairs old American Flyer will know where to get them. Repairing an engine which is in pieces often is a double problem. First, are all the parts still there? Second if so, what is wrong, since it is apart and can't be tested? Even so, this shouldn't be a catastrophy, just a glitch in the process. Playing with trains is an enjoyable and stress relieving hobby. Building and running a train layout puts you in charge of your own little world. And doing so will teach you some new skills and need not get expensive. Even though your current focus is just to get your train up and running for Christmas, don't be surprised if it becomes a new hobby interest. Stumpy Stone...playing with trains since 1954 and still having fun...Martins Ferry, OH. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50308	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: TRESTLE SET #783 E-BAY WARNING!!!!

Someone was looking for info. on the high trestle set... E-bay item # 300261546460 Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50309	From: Pat Turner	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: FinestKind Models at York

I have not heard of a dealer of ours going to York, but that does not mean there won't be. We will not be there ourselves, but you can certainly order anything you like directly from us. We actually just LOWERED our shipping prices! We now have pictures of 99% of our products posted online in our store. Here is the direct link to the S Scale - FinesKind Products: http://www.turnermodelworks.com/store/products.asp?cat=26 The store is not fully working yet, but all the products are there. Pat Turner http://www.TurnerModelWorks.com TurnerModelWorks@... FinestKind Models at York? Posted by: "sgaugian" dsme_horn@... sgaugian Date: Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:00 am ((PDT)) Does anyone typically have FinestKind Models S-scale detail items for sale at York? if so, whom and which in hall(s)? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50310	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help, Instructions!!

Carlton Try the MTH web site for instruction manuals http://extranet.mth-railking.com/pdfapp/pdfs/instruction/30AS18339I.pdf Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlton Lowry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 9:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Help, Instructions!! Hey Guys & Girls, I have a grand-nephew that is into the train world big time. I also have a MTH House on Fire, model #30-9139, that I'd like to set up on the layout this Christmas for him to enjoy. Only problem is that I bought this from a friend awhile ago and can't find the instructions to it. Is there anyone out there in the group that might happen to have a set of instructions they could scan and send to me off list? I certainly would appreciate it. Thanks, Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50311	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Help!!

Thanks for all the responses. A couple sent me to the MTH web site, whre I found the instructions needed. I knew I could count on y'all. Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50312	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help, Instructions!!

Carlton, Try emailing MTH as I am sure they can help you, if you don't a answer. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlton Lowry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 9:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Help, Instructions!! Hey Guys & Girls, I have a grand-nephew that is into the train world big time. I also have a MTH House on Fire, model #30-9139, that I'd like to set up on the layout this Christmas for him to enjoy. Only problem is that I bought this from a friend awhile ago and can't find the instructions to it. Is there anyone out there in the group that might happen to have a set of instructions they could scan and send to me off list? I certainly would appreciate it. Thanks, Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50313	From: frabilz	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Removing stickers

I'm trying to remove the paper stickers or labels from the sides of a Franklin tender. I've tried both soaking in water and Goo Gone, but they just won't come off. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50314	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Removing stickers

Funny...... I'm trying to stick mine back on!!! Rick. On Sep 27, 2008, at 1:09 PM, frabilz wrote: > I'm trying to remove the paper stickers or labels from the sides of a > Franklin tender. I've tried both soaking in water and Goo Gone, but > they just won't come off. > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Bill Frazier > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50315	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/28/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 28, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50316	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Removing stickers

Have you tried a hair dryer? Heats up & softens sticker. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50317	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and a question

Michaek- This is whay this hobby is the best! Great people and great trains... Thanks for helping a budding train enthusiast! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50318	From: jim_marski	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Open House

Held our annual open house yesterday. To make sure folks attending could find our driveway, I displayed a 1:1 scale American Flyer piece as shown in our album- http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/fb64?b=2 Jim Marski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50319	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: latest Photos

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/2c8d?b=138&m=s&o=0 Latest photos of my layout. Main street photo is a bit blurry. I will retake. Grass is down in many areas, as I have some RR signals from NJ International with two more coming. Roadway I have is wonderful. Buildings have lights. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50320	From: boblines51	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: October York Plasticville Parts

If any of you would be looking for me at ant of the York meets with my Plasticville parts,you will be out of luck as I will not be there.I was laid of and had to find a new job and I have no vacation.I might go down on saturday to look around but not sure yet. Have fun and thanks Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50321	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/28/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 28, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50322	From: John Keating	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: MTH House On Fire

Good Evening, Following the thread regarding MTH and their House On Fire accessories; anyone have info on where I can purchase same. All responses gratefully accepted. Thank you in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50323	From: rwferr1	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: PMRHS multi-gauge layout starts S level

Hi all, Last Wednesday, we installed the south turnback curve (40" dia.) to mark the start of the S gauge level on our 5'x50' multi-gauge layout. I posted some pix under "Gateway, Oldtown and Southern" which is what I named the pike to stand for G, O & S gauges. The layout is located in our club facility in Pocatello, Idaho and is open to visitors every third Saturday most of the year and every Saturday from Thanksgiving to Christmas. We've since added a few more feet of track to total 16' installed. The track is code 125 steel rail soldered to PC board ties made from rail that has been sitting around for 60 years until now. It will be used in the hidden back area against the wall and Gilbert sectional tinplate track will be used out front. Each track loop is around 110'. I'll post progress pix of our work and remove older shots as newer ones take their place. Ron Ferrel, Secretary Pocatello Model Railroad and Historical Society

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50324	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos

I love that ball field Mike. Great job! Maybe Taco Bell will give a free taco for any homer hit inside the coal loader! :) Any thoughts on how to make a chain link backstop? Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/2c8d?b=138&m=s&o=0 > > Latest photos of my layout. > > Main street photo is a bit blurry. I will retake. > > Grass is down in many areas, as I have some RR signals from NJ International > with two more coming. > > Roadway I have is wonderful. > > Buildings have lights. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50325	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Lionel For Sale On Available S Gauge

AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com Ed Eckert ejenterp@... ironhorse_66@... 408-263-2482

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50326	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Toy Trains Unlimited-Open House-York

Toy Trains Unlimited located at 28 York St. Hanover, Pa. 17331, (1-717-637-4717) will be having an open house at 2 p.m. on Wednesday, October 15, 2008, in conjunction with the York TCA meet. Toy Trains is located about 20 minutes from York. (Take Rt. 30 towards Gettysburg exit, look for 116 west, this eventually becomes York St.) The Open House will consist of food and drink, and a room filled with American Flyer trains and accessories also a second room filled with postwar Lionel. Also there will be some rare American Flyer items and prototypes on display. Please tell all of your friends about this great get-together and come and join other American Flyer enthusiasts for food, drink and great conversation. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50327	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos

There will be a black cat in the infield, so of like the curse of the black cat for the Cubs in 1969. Also, I dug out my Plasticville HO swimming pool, kidney shape with actual picture of water, diving board, lounge chairs, will be on at the ballpark. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50328	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos

Thanks Jim. Good question. LOL I will have fans watching the game from the coal loader, as I need to order more grass mats from Scenic Express to finish the grass around the ball field. I will be building some stands and benches next. They have to hit Gabe with a HR ball to get the taco. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S Trains > Cc: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Photos I love that ball field Mike. Great job! Maybe Taco Bell will give a free taco for any homer hit inside the coal loader! :) Any thoughts on how to make a chain link backstop? Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/2c8d?b=138&m=s&o=0 > > Latest photos of my layout. > > Main street photo is a bit blurry. I will retake. > > Grass is down in many areas, as I have some RR signals from NJ International > with two more coming. > > Roadway I have is wonderful. > > Buildings have lights. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50329	From: Jennifer Fuss	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and question

Hello everyone, I just wanted to thank everyone who has responded to my original e-mail. There have been a number of people who have offered to look at--and even repair--the engine, and I genuinely appreciate everyone's generosity. I have been working to respond to each e-mail individually, so I can answer specific questions and comments directly. I'm planning to go to the show in Baltimore in a couple weeks and see what members of the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club have to say about the engine. I think that's my first step. As I get more familiar with the train, I'm sure I'll have some more questions. Thanks again to all. Take care, Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50330	From: Jennifer Fuss	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and a question

Hi Stumpy, Thanks so much for your e-mail. The people on this list have been so welcoming and friendly (yourself included), and it keeps me motivated to continue on my quest for getting this train up and running! Through researching the parts I have, as well as communicating with the members of this group, I can see how this may become a serious hobby of mine! As you have asked, what's wrong with the engine? I'm not really sure, to be honest. I am trying to walk a fine line when I ask my father questions about it because I do want to surprise him with the set-up on Christmas. Luckily, the gentlemen from the Baltimore group seem to be willing to take a look for me, so we'll see. Thanks again for your e-mail, and I hope you have a great evening! Jennifer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: mrstumpy@...: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:53:34 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Introduction and a question Welcome aboard! There are folks here who can answer just about any question you can ask, and they're pretty friendly too.Now, as to repairing your trains...I have rebuilt many locomotives and cars from stuff I found in junk boxes at train shows, so it would have to be pretty bad to be non-fixable! (The BB gun deal would be one of those cases however.) Most parts are availible and anyone who repairs old American Flyer will know where to get them.Repairing an engine which is in pieces often is a double problem. First, are all the parts still there? Second if so, what is wrong, since it is apart and can't be tested? Even so, this shouldn't be a catastrophy, just a glitch in the process.Playing with trains is an enjoyable and stress relieving hobby. Building and running a train layout puts you in charge of your own little world. And doing so will teach you some new skills and need not get expensive. Even though your current focus is just to get your train up and running for Christmas, don't be surprised if it becomes a new hobby interest.Stumpy Stone...playing with trains since 1954 and still having fun...Martins Ferry, OH. _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn �10 hidden secrets� from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50331	From: msperry45	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: AF Switches & Cap Discharge

I'm expanding the AF layout and am leaning toward using capacitive discharge to actuate the switch machines. Currently I'm directly switching AC (18VAC open circuit) from a dedicated transformer to the coils with momentary toggles. I'm thinking of routing the 18VAC around the layout, then converting to DC and powering the CD module at the switch. Triggering will be done with the toggles for now. Does anyone have any recommendations for reliable designs? I've collected a few circuits from the web. Also, what is the max voltage that can be applied to the coils? Anything else to lose sleep over? tnx, mike sperry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50332	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos

My wife, Linda, says that I can find a mess fabric in green for a backstop. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Photos Thanks Jim. Good question. LOL I will have fans watching the game from the coal loader, as I need to order more grass mats from Scenic Express to finish the grass around the ball field. I will be building some stands and benches next. They have to hit Gabe with a HR ball to get the taco. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S Trains > Cc: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Photos I love that ball field Mike. Great job! Maybe Taco Bell will give a free taco for any homer hit inside the coal loader! :) Any thoughts on how to make a chain link backstop? Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/2c8d?b=138&m=s&o=0 > > Latest photos of my layout. > > Main street photo is a bit blurry. I will retake. > > Grass is down in many areas, as I have some RR signals from NJ International > with two more coming. > > Roadway I have is wonderful. > > Buildings have lights. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50333	From: Jennifer Fuss	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and question

Since a number of people have asked for specifics about the train (and I was out of town during last night's chat), here is some additional information I have learned. -Engine is #322. It looks like the tender looks like it is complete, but the front engine is in 6 pieces -Cars include: -#634 Floodlight -#629 Missouri Pacific (Cattle car?) -#732 Baggage car (?) - There is a little man who moves inside when the door opens -#717 Log Loader -#740 Handcar -#716 Dumpcar -#630 Caboose -Buildings include: -Tool Shed - white with red roof -Mystic train station -Pieces to the Valley View train station -Something I haven't yet identified. It looks like the train stops at this thing, so something can be loaded onto the train. It has a platform and a small slide, and there used to be a man standing on top of the platform. -Light-up billboard, modified to advertise my grandparents' old restaurant Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50334	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: (no subject)

Jim is right. You can see this Flyer display from way up the road.. A fantastic display & more trains than you can take in at the first look and a wonderful and fun open house. Thank you Jim for opening up your house. Jerry 77-11644 Messages in this topic (3) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2a. Open House Posted by: "jim_marski" jim_marski@... jim_marski Date: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:58 am ((PDT)) Held our annual open house yesterday. To make sure folks attending could find our driveway, I displayed a 1:1 scale American Flyer piece as shown in our album- http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/fb64?b=2 Jim Marski ____________________________________________________________ Are you safe? Click for quotes on a home security system. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ni3ctXKq5EleXZWqtC0mSp2vizPY8Qer0sWFwFgEYLTIt4X/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50335	From: G C	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos

Fishnet Nylons or Surgical gauze [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50336	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: FinestKind Models at York

Thanks Pat. Was hoping to see and purchase some items at York, but your online catalog is helpful.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50337	From: mike rosz	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Removing stickers

How are the stickes on the tender? glue? most likely. how about 50/50 alcohol and amonia?    ( 70% 92% alcohol I do not know)  rub it with a brush a stiff brush  a small paint brush cut close ot the brush  used to put paste on your pipes before you sweat solder.  It also may take the color of the paint off also. --- On Sat, 9/27/08, frabilz <bilfrazier@...> wrote: From: frabilz <bilfrazier@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Removing stickers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 3:09 PM I'm trying to remove the paper stickers or labels from the sides of a Franklin tender. I've tried both soaking in water and Goo Gone, but they just won't come off. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50338	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos

Oops, I meant to write Mesh fabric, not mess fabric. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Photos My wife, Linda, says that I can find a mess fabric in green for a backstop. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Photos Thanks Jim. Good question. LOL I will have fans watching the game from the coal loader, as I need to order more grass mats from Scenic Express to finish the grass around the ball field. I will be building some stands and benches next. They have to hit Gabe with a HR ball to get the taco. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S Trains > Cc: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Photos I love that ball field Mike. Great job! Maybe Taco Bell will give a free taco for any homer hit inside the coal loader! :) Any thoughts on how to make a chain link backstop? Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/2c8d?b=138&m=s&o=0 > > Latest photos of my layout. > > Main street photo is a bit blurry. I will retake. > > Grass is down in many areas, as I have some RR signals from NJ International > with two more coming. > > Roadway I have is wonderful. > > Buildings have lights. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50339	From: David Engle	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Removing stickers

Look for "Goof Off" in a yellow can similar to that for lighter fluid. Ace and other hardware stores in this area. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike rosz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Removing stickers How are the stickes on the tender? glue? most likely. how about 50/50 alcohol and amonia? ( 70% 92% alcohol I do not know) rub it with a brush a stiff brush a small paint brush cut close ot the brush used to put paste on your pipes before you sweat solder. It also may take the color of the paint off also. --- On Sat, 9/27/08, frabilz <bilfrazier@...> wrote: From: frabilz <bilfrazier@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Removing stickers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 3:09 PM I'm trying to remove the paper stickers or labels from the sides of a Franklin tender. I've tried both soaking in water and Goo Gone, but they just won't come off. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50340	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos

Thanks! Will look into that too. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Photos Fishnet Nylons or Surgical gauze [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50341	From: G C	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos

Mike,   A friend just sent me this for you:   He suggests a fabric called "tulle" (pronounced "tool").  It's used in bridal gowns and corsages, among other things.  He have used it with good results with his trains.  The spacing is great, and when you mount it diagonally, it looks like very convincing Cyclone style fencing.    Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50342	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos

How about metal window screen? Mike In a message dated 9/29/2008 4:49:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ecphora123@... writes: Mike, A friend just sent me this for you: He suggests a fabric called "tulle" (pronounced "tool"). It's used in bridal gowns and corsages, among other things. He have used it with good results with his trains. The spacing is great, and when you mount it diagonally, it looks like very convincing Cyclone style fencing. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50343	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction and question

Jennifer, What you have that you cannot identify is probably a 770 loading platform. It works in conjunction with the #732 baggage car. Small metal boxes are slid down the ramp, by the man on the platform, into the baggage car and then by pushing another button, the man in the car kicks the box back out onto the platform. Keep asking questions, and we will get you up and running. Isn't this fun, been playing with them since 1952, when I got my 1st one. Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jenfuss@...: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:37:12 -0400Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Introduction and question Since a number of people have asked for specifics about the train (and I was out of town during last night's chat), here is some additional information I have learned.-Engine is #322. It looks like the tender looks like it is complete, but the front engine is in 6 pieces -Cars include:-#634 Floodlight-#629 Missouri Pacific (Cattle car?)-#732 Baggage car (?) - There is a little man who moves inside when the door opens -#717 Log Loader-#740 Handcar-#716 Dumpcar-#630 Caboose-Buildings include:-Tool Shed - white with red roof-Mystic train station -Pieces to the Valley View train station-Something I haven't yet identified. It looks like the train stops at this thing, so something can be loaded onto the train. It has a platform and a small slide, and there used to be a man standing on top of the platform.-Light-up billboard, modified to advertise my grandparents' old restaurantJennifer__________________________________________________________Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live.http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together�at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50344	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos

Gene, Thank you so much, as maybe that is the fabric Linda was talking about. I will look at that when I get back from Maine after 10-20. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Photos Mike, A friend just sent me this for you: He suggests a fabric called "tulle" (pronounced "tool"). It's used in bridal gowns and corsages, among other things. He have used it with good results with his trains. The spacing is great, and when you mount it diagonally, it looks like very convincing Cyclone style fencing. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50345	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: latest Photos

Mike, That is a good idea, as I was using a mesh food strainer tonight. I will try the fabric store first, as I think the mesh screen, window product from Home Depot would be perfect. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] latest Photos How about metal window screen? Mike In a message dated 9/29/2008 4:49:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ecphora123@... writes: Mike, A friend just sent me this for you: He suggests a fabric called "tulle" (pronounced "tool"). It's used in bridal gowns and corsages, among other things. He have used it with good results with his trains. The spacing is great, and when you mount it diagonally, it looks like very convincing Cyclone style fencing. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50346	From: Edward G.	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Having a Bad Day....

I have gone to several Flyer Fest West shows in the past few years ...and hung out with some terrific people Ie: Barb, Rick Dave,Ed,Sam,Steve,Eric,and Many others that like myself travelled out here to attend these shows...and while the wife and I enjoyed the company..many others got to meet and enjoy the company of my Best Buddy Booster who attended these shows with us ..Tagged Booster the Wonder Dog by Rick ...who like Barb included many photos of him at these meets because he was born on March 16 making him the AF 3/16th dog...It is my Sad duty to let our friends know that Boo died this morn in my arms with Love at 910 this morn ..at the age of 14 yrs 6 months and 13 days ...all of which I Thank God for letting me own such a devoted and Best Buddy...Life will not be the same ...Thanx to all of you who made us feel so rich and him so appreciated Edward

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50347	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Baseball Backstop Screen or Any Type Fencing

Hi Mike, I installed a fence on my oil depot that you might want to look at. You can see the fencing at: http://tinyurl.com/4o9lla There are some other photos in the oil depot gallery that also show the fencing but this photo is a close up. The fencing is mosquito screen fabric from Walmart. If you look closely at the photos, you can see the fabric is woven in a running bond, not the typical 45 degree pattern. I used this type mesh because I wanted a more industrial look. If you want a regular "chain link" fence then you could use the diamond pattern mesh. The running bond mesh I used makes the pattern difficult to cut. If you get too close to a cross in the pattern, the fabric will fray and unravel. I was unable to find a product that would prevent the fraying. The fence sections are 1.5 inches high (8 feet scale) by anywhere from 6 inches to 14 inches long. The posts are somewhat longer to fit into holes drilled in the base. The posts are located 1.5 inches apart (8 feet scale). The fabric pieces are 1.5 inches by the required running length. Even cutting them out very slowly and carefully, I averaged one good section for every four I started. The fence posts and rails are 0.035 inch styrene rod. They were assembled using Testors Liquid Cement. I assembled the rails and poles for a given section of fencing on a flat surface for better alignment, then spray painted the assembly. I laid a piece of plastic cove molding to serve as a berm and mounted the fence along the centerline of the berm by drilling holes into the molding. I then just slipped the completed post and rail sections into the holes and glued them in while maintaining a 1.5 inch height on the rails. I then attached the fence fabric one section at a time by taking some of the fabric "threads" and tying the fence fabric to the posts and rails. If you take a look at real chain link fence you can see how it is done. This is tedious work and you must be extremely careful not to catch any of the cut ends of the fence fabric or it will unravel and you are back to square one. The last step was to glue the ballast stone to the berm. The ballast stone was used to help keep the posts and the fencing in a nice, straight line. Just like real chain link fencing, the fabric does not turn corners. It is stopped at the end of each run and a new section begins around the corner. I thought about inserting rods at the end of each run just like on real chain link fencing, but you've got to remember this is a hobby model and stop with the minute details somewhere. I have looked at the hobby shop kits that use wedding veil type fabric for the fence material. The fabric is white and must be attached to the rails/posts, then stretched, then painted. I think my system is about the same amount of work but the end result is, IMHO, far superior to the kits. Not only that - you can make tons of fence with a $6 roll of screen versus $12 for a few feet with the kits! If you take your time you could probably bend the styrene rod to make a rounded frame for the backstop. You might need to heat it to get it to stay bent?? If you have any other questions, drop me an email. Good luck with your backstop!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50348	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Saving Green...

Each week, in the Sunday edition of our local rag, Michael's has a paid insert that includes either a 40% or 50% off coupon on one fully-priced item. I'm sure a goodly number of Sunday papers across the US contain the same sale insert. I religiously cut out the coupon and sometime during the following week, visit Michael's and buy, with the coupon, a can of Testors Dullcote. I use a lot of Dullcote so even if my cache nears being a stockpile, I know sooner or later, I'll use it all. Yesterday, during my weekly Michael's visit, I noticed they are now carrying a line of scenic decorations such as rock molds, trees, "water", ground cover, etc. These are branded as Scene-A-Rama. These items are similar to those offered by Woodland Scenics. I see this as a great way to acquire some layout decos using the 40% or 50% coupon once my Dullcote supply is sufficient. Along the same line, while in Ace Hdwr. the other day I noticed a new Rust-Oleum rattle-can product called Frosted Glass. Remembering what Dullcote does to clear styrene, I reasoned that this Frosted Glass might represent something more cost-effective than Dullcote. I bought a can. I sprayed a couple of old AF cabeese with some Ace Banner Red, which, by the way, is an exact match for Santa Fe Warbonnet Red, and let the paint dry. I sprayed one car with Dullcote and the other with the Frosted Glass. The Frosted Glass, in my opinion, performed nearly as well as the Dullcote on a glossy plastic finish. I have yet to try this on styrene, brass, basswood, plywood, or resin. If someone else is so inclined, I wish they'd perform the same experiment so we can get a second, third, fourth, etc. opinion. The Frosted Glass, in a large rattle-can, is much less per ounce than Dullcote and would make the Michael's coupon available for other stuff such as scenery or Aleene's Tacky Glue. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50349	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Having a Bad Day....

Edward- I'm sorry to hear of your loss. Didn't know your Booster but I certainly know the grief of losing your "best friend". Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> > I have gone to several Flyer Fest West shows in the past few > years ...and hung out with some terrific people Ie: Barb, Rick > Dave,Ed,Sam,Steve,Eric,and Many others that like myself travelled out > here to attend these shows...and while the wife and I enjoyed the > company..many others got to meet and enjoy the company of my Best > Buddy Booster who attended these shows with us ..Tagged Booster the > Wonder Dog by Rick ...who like Barb included many photos of him at > these meets because he was born on March 16 making him the AF 3/16th > dog...It is my Sad duty to let our friends know that Boo died this > morn in my arms with Love at 910 this morn ..at the age of 14 yrs 6 > months and 13 days ...all of which I Thank God for letting me own such > a devoted and Best Buddy...Life will not be the same ...Thanx to all > of you who made us feel so rich and him so appreciated > Edward > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50350	From: judgeatkck2002	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Train Related Attractions

I will be in Palm Springs/Indio California for long weekend. Any train related destinations I can visit. Will have access to rental car. Are there any train shops, hobby shops in area? Any train shows in vicinity weekend of October 3-5. Thanks, Bill Hutton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50351	From: rwferr1	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Saving Green...

Gerry, If you Google Scene-A-Rama, you'll find that it IS a division of Woodland Scenics. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry Evans" <bestofshow@...> wrote: > > Each week, in the Sunday edition of our local rag, Michael's has a paid insert that includes either a 40% or 50% off coupon on one fully-priced item. I'm sure a goodly number of Sunday papers across the US contain the same sale insert. I religiously cut out the coupon and sometime during the following week, visit Michael's and buy, with the coupon, a can of Testors Dullcote. I use a lot of Dullcote so even if my cache nears being a stockpile, I know sooner or later, I'll use it all. > > Yesterday, during my weekly Michael's visit, I noticed they are now carrying a line of scenic decorations such as rock molds, trees, "water", ground cover, etc. These are branded as Scene-A-Rama. These items are similar to those offered by Woodland Scenics. I see this as a great way to acquire some layout decos using the 40% or 50% coupon once my Dullcote supply is sufficient. > <BIG SNIP>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50352	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: AF Switches & Cap Discharge

Mike: I too have experimented with AF Switches & Cap Discharge. My conclusion was that a clean working, well adjusted A.F. switch works just as good as switches using a capacity discharge system, and with a lot less problems. I wire all of my turn outs ( black & yellow posts ) from a main power loop running around the layout, The controllers are wired to the transformer. Only two wires are use , connecting the controller to the turn out ( the red & green posts ). This system saves a lot of ( 4 wire switch cable ) wire A small diode ( rectifier can be used to drop the voltage to the switch lamps to give them a longer life ) Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Career Problems? Become a Legal Assistant and Increase Your Pay. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oh5hms59XVKF3jRtD2aAdGJ5CWL9bpPWTOOKigHBtPhliTB/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50353	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commercialism Fall 2008 Update

This week at SHS�.. It has been a few months since I have update our friends on the internet regarding what is new at SHS. We felt the best way to do this is with a .pdf version of the SHS Update that will get everyone up to speed. You can download them as well as our current order form at: http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V19N3.pdf for the current order form listing all items in stock: http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V19N3OF.pdf Latest on current status � Open top hoppers including Waddell (sold out, but we are taking advanced orders for the next run), C&I bicentennial scheme, PRR Buy War Bonds, C&O (new numbers) and BC&G � on next container due in 10 days New 2 bay covered hoppers � The CNJ & NKP are due in 10 days, B&O, D&H, NYC #1 and C&O are due in 5 weeks. The rest including the 2008 Christmas car will come in December. Best regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50354	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Having a Bad Day....

Ed, I'm so very sorry to hear of the passing of "Booster the Wonder Dog". I'm sure Booster is running with my "Boot", she passed away a couple of Summers ago at the age of 14. "Rainbow Bridge" Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge. When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge. There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together. There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable. All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by. The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind. They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent; His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster. You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart. Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together.... Author unknown... Rick. On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Edward G. wrote: > I have gone to several Flyer Fest West shows in the past few > years ...and hung out with some terrific people Ie: Barb, Rick > Dave,Ed,Sam,Steve,Eric,and Many others that like myself travelled out > here to attend these shows...and while the wife and I enjoyed the > company..many others got to meet and enjoy the company of my Best > Buddy Booster who attended these shows with us ..Tagged Booster the > Wonder Dog by Rick ...who like Barb included many photos of him at > these meets because he was born on March 16 making him the AF 3/16th > dog...It is my Sad duty to let our friends know that Boo died this > morn in my arms with Love at 910 this morn ..at the age of 14 yrs 6 > months and 13 days ...all of which I Thank God for letting me own such > a devoted and Best Buddy...Life will not be the same ...Thanx to all > of you who made us feel so rich and him so appreciated > Edward > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50355	From: barb	Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: Boo

Ed, I am so very sorry to hear about your loss of Boo. You are so right that he was a wonderful pet and companion to you for so many years. I know you will grieve for this loss for quite awhile and your world will forever be changed. As you may remember, I have a fear of most dogs but never did I have a moment of fright when around Boo. Maybe there will be a Booster II in your future. Take good care.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50356	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: Re: Baseball Backstop Screen or Any Type Fencing

I see that Evergreen scale models carries the rods. Off to Maine for 20 days. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50357	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: Re: Baseball Backstop Screen or Any Type Fencing

David, Thanks for going into great detail on how you did your fencing. The picture of it looks great. I may look into this. Thanks! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50358	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: Thanks to Rick and Jerry

- GreetingS - Rick - many thanks for sharing "Rainbow Bridge." 'Tis a beautiful expression of special love. Jerry - many thanks for pointing out the advantages of a diode in the yellow lead at the turnout. It is much simpler than my scheme of adding a third, in-between voltage at the controller. For longer bulb life in the controller with your method of running the black wire to all turnouts, put a diode in series with the black lead at the controller so that those bulbs run on reduced voltage. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50359	From: Stephen Steinberg	Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: For Sale by original Owner: Vintage American Flyer Collection

To all Vintage American Flyer champions: I am the original owner of an American Flyer set with accessories that I wish to sell. All items were purchased in Hartford, CT over the approximate span of years: 1950 � 1957. Rather than sell it piece-by-piece via e-BAY, I am looking to sell the *entire inventory as a single transaction* to a loving and caring collector/restorer/exhibitor, who also appreciates the artistic value of the collection. You may view the entire collection at the Kodak Gallery site via the following link: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=b5nrgrxj.cdw6urj7&x=0&y=-613m0l&localeid=en_US The operating equipment has not been electrically tested and, as may be required, restored to operational capability. In general, there are some rust spots, paint chips, nicks and modest deterioration but no water damage. I *do not have* original boxes for any of the items. If you are interested, I can send you a written inventory with my own assessment of value based on Greenberg's 2008 AF Guide. I request that a purchaser also pay the expense of shipping and insurance. I reside in Larchmont, New York 10538. Thank you in advance for your interest. Alternatively, if you have advice as to how I best accomplish my objective of selling the collection, I welcome your thoughts and opinion. Best regards, Steve sasteinberg@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50360	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/2/2008
Subject: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires

Does anyone happen to recall the year when Gilbert had problems with the plastic used in the white side walls. Apparently it shrunk shortly after being assembled resulting in loose drivers. The story I heard was that Gilbert sent out repairmen to fix the stock that had already been shipped by "pegging" the tires. Presumably that involved putting a presumably non metallic peg through the tire, insulation, and wheel. One of the variations on a 312 as shown in the Deger book includes drivers having been pegged. The reason I ask is that I just purchased a 312 SIT, presumably 1947 version from the American Flyer Lines on the tender, which is in exceptionally good condition. I would grade it at just under excellent. The only body defect is slightly worn paint on the smoke stack. What it does have is what appears to be very amateurishly repaired loose driver tires. The insulators are not quite even and show smears of what looks like contact cement. One insulator is cracked and worn, but there is no evidence of pegging. Inside the reverse unit and the SIT unit are in excellent condition, leading me to believe that it wasn't used much, possibly because it wasn't a good runner because of the driver problems. I think the year of the driver problem was 46 or 47. Can anyone confirm this? Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50361	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 10/2/2008
Subject: Control Systems Help

I am in need of some guidance on selecting a control system. I am considering the different ones available, but need input from users. First some background - I have 14 AF locomotives(11 steam, 3 diesel), an SHS F3 A-B set with Locomatic, an SHS F7 A-A set with DCC and sound, and a new Flyonel 4-8-4 with sound. All the AF locos are operator grade either restored or needing restoration. I will begin constructing a layout in a 12x24 room within the next two months. The track plan will be best served by a walk around type control system. The track plan has reversing sections. I am somewhat electronically inept ;-). The track plan incorporates several operating accessories to gain help from my better half. She likes them. I am considering either DCC or the Lionel TMCC system. At present I would favor the TMCC because of the Flyonel 2-8-2/4-6-2 locomotives. How does this system compare to DCC from a cost and ease of installation point? How friendly is TMCC to two rail reverse loops? I would like to hear from users of both systems. How do you like them and would you do it again? Thanks in advance, Lynn Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50362	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/2/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires

Romer refers to the problem on page 10 and 11 of "A.C. Gilbert's Heritage" but is not specific on the year. From my experience it is a problem in 1946 and 1947 locos and so I guess it was 1947. Romer recollected that it was a new product that they switched to on the recommendation of a salesman because it was cheaper than what they were using but I suspect that this is myth on his part from faulty memory. The reason I think that is that any Flyer collector is familiar with the shrunken and misshaped plastic rolling stock used from the start in 1946 and most of 1947. The reality was Flyer grabbed one of the new plastics for the very start of S gauge production, wheel insulators and all, and were unfortunate enough to get the wrong one. It was not a decision made part way into production. Rovex and Graham Farish in England made the same mistake. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Smith Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 6:26 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Factory Defect - Loose driver tires Does anyone happen to recall the year when Gilbert had problems with the plastic used in the white side walls. Apparently it shrunk shortly after being assembled resulting in loose drivers. The story I heard was that Gilbert sent out repairmen to fix the stock that had already been shipped by "pegging" the tires. Presumably that involved putting a presumably non metallic peg through the tire, insulation, and wheel. One of the variations on a 312 as shown in the Deger book includes drivers having been pegged. The reason I ask is that I just purchased a 312 SIT, presumably 1947 version from the American Flyer Lines on the tender, which is in exceptionally good condition. I would grade it at just under excellent. The only body defect is slightly worn paint on the smoke stack. What it does have is what appears to be very amateurishly repaired loose driver tires. The insulators are not quite even and show smears of what looks like contact cement. One insulator is cracked and worn, but there is no evidence of pegging. Inside the reverse unit and the SIT unit are in excellent condition, leading me to believe that it wasn't used much, possibly because it wasn't a good runner because of the driver problems. I think the year of the driver problem was 46 or 47. Can anyone confirm this? Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50363	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/2/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires

Dale-   46 and 47 were supposed to be the worst years, but I have had locomotives into the 50's with this problem depending upon the heat/cool storage conditions. I use a combination of mechanical hold-it-in-place device and RTV Silicone clear caulk to glue the tires, sidewalls and hubs together. The oldest of these efforts is now about 35 years ago and is still going strong.   However, since someone did this before with unknown material and unknown alignment, you may have to take it all apart, clean it out and reposition and glue all of it back. The pinned drivers are obvious as there are 1/16" diameter holes with pins around the rims holding the driver together.   Bill Drake --- On Thu, 10/2/08, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Factory Defect - Loose driver tires To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 4:56 PM Does anyone happen to recall the year when Gilbert had problems with the plastic used in the white side walls. Apparently it shrunk shortly after being assembled resulting in loose drivers. The story I heard was that Gilbert sent out repairmen to fix the stock that had already been shipped by "pegging" the tires. Presumably that involved putting a presumably non metallic peg through the tire, insulation, and wheel. One of the variations on a 312 as shown in the Deger book includes drivers having been pegged. The reason I ask is that I just purchased a 312 SIT, presumably 1947 version from the American Flyer Lines on the tender, which is in exceptionally good condition. I would grade it at just under excellent. The only body defect is slightly worn paint on the smoke stack. What it does have is what appears to be very amateurishly repaired loose driver tires. The insulators are not quite even and show smears of what looks like contact cement. One insulator is cracked and worn, but there is no evidence of pegging. Inside the reverse unit and the SIT unit are in excellent condition, leading me to believe that it wasn't used much, possibly because it wasn't a good runner because of the driver problems. I think the year of the driver problem was 46 or 47. Can anyone confirm this? Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50364	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/2/2008
Subject: Re: Control Systems Help

Lynn, You might want to look at my web site for some TMCC ideas: http://www.tuveson.com Each system has it's advantages and disadvantages. TMCC will run your older AF (conventional) locos with no modifications if you use a TMCC Powermaster or TPC unit and a Cab-1 remote on the layout. Add the TMCC Command Base and you can also run TMCC Command equipped locos. Conversions are available for "do it yourselfers" or there are places that will convert locos to TMCC for you. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of lynnshouse2000 Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Control Systems Help I am in need of some guidance on selecting a control system. I am considering the different ones available, but need input from users. First some background - I have 14 AF locomotives(11 steam, 3 diesel), an SHS F3 A-B set with Locomatic, an SHS F7 A-A set with DCC and sound, and a new Flyonel 4-8-4 with sound. All the AF locos are operator grade either restored or needing restoration. I will begin constructing a layout in a 12x24 room within the next two months. The track plan will be best served by a walk around type control system. The track plan has reversing sections. I am somewhat electronically inept ;-). The track plan incorporates several operating accessories to gain help from my better half. She likes them. I am considering either DCC or the Lionel TMCC system. At present I would favor the TMCC because of the Flyonel 2-8-2/4-6-2 locomotives. How does this system compare to DCC from a cost and ease of installation point? How friendly is TMCC to two rail reverse loops? I would like to hear from users of both systems. How do you like them and would you do it again? Thanks in advance, Lynn Ray ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50365	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/2/2008
Subject: Re: For Sale by original Owner: Vintage American Flyer Collection

I am interested.� send an inventory list and how much you want. � How much track do you have, switches et all.? --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Stephen Steinberg <sasteinberg@...> wrote: From: Stephen Steinberg <sasteinberg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale by original Owner: Vintage American Flyer Collection To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 3:56 PM To all Vintage American Flyer champions: I am the original owner of an American Flyer set with accessories that I wish to sell. All items were purchased in Hartford, CT over the approximate span of years: 1950 � 1957. Rather than sell it piece-by-piece via e-BAY, I am looking to sell the *entire inventory as a single transaction* to a loving and caring collector/restorer/exhibitor, who also appreciates the artistic value of the collection. You may view the entire collection at the Kodak Gallery site via the following link: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=b5nrgrxj.cdw6urj7&x=0&y=-613m0l&localeid=en_US The operating equipment has not been electrically tested and, as may be required, restored to operational capability. In general, there are some rust spots, paint chips, nicks and modest deterioration but no water damage. I *do not have* original boxes for any of the items. If you are interested, I can send you a written inventory with my own assessment of value based on Greenberg's 2008 AF Guide. I request that a purchaser also pay the expense of shipping and insurance. I reside in Larchmont, New York 10538. Thank you in advance for your interest. Alternatively, if you have advice as to how I best accomplish my objective of selling the collection, I welcome your thoughts and opinion. Best regards, Steve sasteinberg@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50366	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Train Show - Cleveland area.

There's a big train show this Saturday (10A - 5P) & Sunday (11A - 4P) at the Cuyahoga County fair grounds on Eastland Rd in Berea, Ohio. I imagine the Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Club will be there with several of their layouts; and I will be selling the latest & greatest in S Scale / S Gauge. In addition to the latest & greatest, I will also have some stuff I've schlepped in and back out of more train shows that I like to think about. All reasonable offers will be given consideration -- do something for the economy. Tom Hawley dba Michigan Models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50367	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires

Bill and Allister, I had already read the portion cited below and hoped someone could provide more specifics as to year. While I have no intention of trying pegging, I am curious as to what material was used. It would have to be non metallic as any metal joining the wheels to the tires would short out. Since this is such a nice loco, aside from the clumsy repair of the wheels, I think all I will need to do is replace the white walls. New modern plastic white walls should probably make a good tight fit. I think the rims themselves are OK. Dale Alistair McAllister wrote: > > Romer refers to the problem on page 10 and 11 of "A.C. Gilbert's Heritage" > but is not specific on the year. From my experience it is a problem in > 1946 > and 1947 locos and so I guess it was 1947. Romer recollected that it was a > new product that they switched to on the recommendation of a salesman > because it was cheaper than what they were using but I suspect that > this is > myth on his part from faulty memory. The reason I think that is that any > Flyer collector is familiar with the shrunken and misshaped plastic > rolling > stock used from the start in 1946 and most of 1947. The reality was Flyer > grabbed one of the new plastics for the very start of S gauge production, > wheel insulators and all, and were unfortunate enough to get the wrong > one. > It was not a decision made part way into production. Rovex and Graham > Farish > in England made the same mistake. Alistair > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf > Of Dale Smith > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 6:26 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Factory Defect - Loose driver tires > > Does anyone happen to recall the year when Gilbert had problems with the > plastic used in the white side walls. Apparently it shrunk shortly > after being assembled resulting in loose drivers. The story I heard > was that Gilbert sent out repairmen to fix the stock that had already > been shipped by "pegging" the tires. Presumably that involved putting > a presumably non metallic peg through the tire, insulation, and wheel. > One of the variations on a 312 as shown in the Deger book includes > drivers having been pegged. > > The reason I ask is that I just purchased a 312 SIT, presumably 1947 > version from the American Flyer Lines on the tender, which is in > exceptionally good condition. I would grade it at just under > excellent. The only body defect is slightly worn paint on the smoke > stack. What it does have is what appears to be very amateurishly > repaired loose driver tires. The insulators are not quite even and show > smears of what looks like contact cement. One insulator is cracked and > worn, but there is no evidence of pegging. Inside the reverse unit and > the SIT unit are in excellent condition, leading me to believe that it > wasn't used much, possibly because it wasn't a good runner because of > the driver problems. I think the year of the driver problem was 46 or > 47. Can anyone confirm this? > > Dale Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50368	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires

Dale-   I have a copy of the service bulletin discussing the pegging method. Will try to find over the weekend and post a scanned copy. Haven't read it for a while, but the pegged drivers I have seen seemed to have metal pegs. I agree with you that this would have shorted out the system so it can't be. I have all of my locomotive out of boxes for sorting at the moment so will check them, too, to see how it was done.   Bill Drake   --- On Fri, 10/3/08, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Factory Defect - Loose driver tires To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 12:12 AM Bill and Allister, I had already read the portion cited below and hoped someone could provide more specifics as to year. While I have no intention of trying pegging, I am curious as to what material was used. It would have to be non metallic as any metal joining the wheels to the tires would short out. Since this is such a nice loco, aside from the clumsy repair of the wheels, I think all I will need to do is replace the white walls. New modern plastic white walls should probably make a good tight fit. I think the rims themselves are OK. Dale Alistair McAllister wrote: > > Romer refers to the problem on page 10 and 11 of "A.C. Gilbert's Heritage" > but is not specific on the year. From my experience it is a problem in > 1946 > and 1947 locos and so I guess it was 1947. Romer recollected that it was a > new product that they switched to on the recommendation of a salesman > because it was cheaper than what they were using but I suspect that > this is > myth on his part from faulty memory. The reason I think that is that any > Flyer collector is familiar with the shrunken and misshaped plastic > rolling > stock used from the start in 1946 and most of 1947. The reality was Flyer > grabbed one of the new plastics for the very start of S gauge production, > wheel insulators and all, and were unfortunate enough to get the wrong > one. > It was not a decision made part way into production. Rovex and Graham > Farish > in England made the same mistake. Alistair > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com>] > On Behalf > Of Dale Smith > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 6:26 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Factory Defect - Loose driver tires > > Does anyone happen to recall the year when Gilbert had problems with the > plastic used in the white side walls. Apparently it shrunk shortly > after being assembled resulting in loose drivers. The story I heard > was that Gilbert sent out repairmen to fix the stock that had already > been shipped by "pegging" the tires. Presumably that involved putting > a presumably non metallic peg through the tire, insulation, and wheel. > One of the variations on a 312 as shown in the Deger book includes > drivers having been pegged. > > The reason I ask is that I just purchased a 312 SIT, presumably 1947 > version from the American Flyer Lines on the tender, which is in > exceptionally good condition. I would grade it at just under > excellent. The only body defect is slightly worn paint on the smoke > stack. What it does have is what appears to be very amateurishly > repaired loose driver tires. The insulators are not quite even and show > smears of what looks like contact cement. One insulator is cracked and > worn, but there is no evidence of pegging. Inside the reverse unit and > the SIT unit are in excellent condition, leading me to believe that it > wasn't used much, possibly because it wasn't a good runner because of > the driver problems. I think the year of the driver problem was 46 or > 47. Can anyone confirm this? > > Dale Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50369	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires

My oldest brother at christmas time got one of the 312's with out the SIT, but it had the holes for it the SIT. Anyway the wheels fell apart, and my Dad having a drilpress then driled holes - indexed them in the wheels then pegged them with hard wood pegs. My Dad was a watchmaker, and also worked at Ironfireman in the War time running lathes for the liberty ships. He then went to the department store, and told the repair man what he had done to the train. I still have the train. My brother died in a few years after that. I came in to the family with my other brother, but Dad gave me the train. So I have two older brothers, but one is dead. Clayton S.D. --- On Thu, 10/2/08, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Factory Defect - Loose driver tires > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 1:56 PM > Does anyone happen to recall the year when Gilbert had > problems with the > plastic used in the white side walls. Apparently it > shrunk shortly > after being assembled resulting in loose drivers. The > story I heard > was that Gilbert sent out repairmen to fix the stock that > had already > been shipped by "pegging" the tires. Presumably > that involved putting > a presumably non metallic peg through the tire, insulation, > and wheel. > One of the variations on a 312 as shown in the Deger book > includes > drivers having been pegged. > > The reason I ask is that I just purchased a 312 SIT, > presumably 1947 > version from the American Flyer Lines on the tender, which > is in > exceptionally good condition. I would grade it at just > under > excellent. The only body defect is slightly worn paint on > the smoke > stack. What it does have is what appears to be very > amateurishly > repaired loose driver tires. The insulators are not quite > even and show > smears of what looks like contact cement. One insulator > is cracked and > worn, but there is no evidence of pegging. Inside the > reverse unit and > the SIT unit are in excellent condition, leading me to > believe that it > wasn't used much, possibly because it wasn't a good > runner because of > the driver problems. I think the year of the driver > problem was 46 or > 47. Can anyone confirm this? > > Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50370	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires

SORRY IF THIS HAS BEEN COVERED... But I had a problem with loose tires on a couple of Loco's... I simply laid the loco on its side and pulled the rim back up to get it aligned for feel.. Then I simply applied CA glue and twisted the tire back into place as it set up.... Still works fine... I repaired a motor shaft on a small Blueprint Machine the same way... It held for years... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...>: -------------- Bill and Allister, I had already read the portion cited below and hoped someone could provide more specifics as to year. While I have no intention of trying pegging, I am curious as to what material was used. It would have to be non metallic as any metal joining the wheels to the tires would short out. Since this is such a nice loco, aside from the clumsy repair of the wheels, I think all I will need to do is replace the white walls. New modern plastic white walls should probably make a good tight fit. I think the rims themselves are OK. Dale Alistair McAllister wrote: > > Romer refers to the problem on page 10 and 11 of "A.C. Gilbert's Heritage" > but is not specific on the year. From my experience it is a problem in > 1946 > and 1947 locos and so I guess it was 1947. Romer recollected that it was a > new product that they switched to on the recommendation of a salesman > because it was cheaper than what they were using but I suspect that > this is > myth on his part from faulty memory. The reason I think that is that any > Flyer collector is familiar with the shrunken and misshaped plastic > rolling > stock used from the start in 1946 and most of 1947. The reality was Flyer > grabbed one of the new plastics for the very start of S gauge production, > wheel insulators and all, and were unfortunate enough to get the wrong > one. > It was not a decision made part way into production. Rovex and Graham > Farish > in England made the same mistake. Alistair > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf > Of Dale Smith > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 6:26 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Factory Defect - Loose driver tires > > Does anyone happen to recall the year when Gilbert had problems with the > plastic used in the white side walls. Apparently it shrunk shortly > after being assembled resulting in loose drivers. The story I heard > was that Gilbert sent out repairmen to fix the stock that had already > been shipped by "pegging" the tires. Presumably that involved putting > a presumably non metallic peg through the tire, insulation, and wheel. > One of the variations on a 312 as shown in the Deger book includes > drivers having been pegged. > > The reason I ask is that I just purchased a 312 SIT, presumably 1947 > version from the American Flyer Lines on the tender, which is in > exceptionally good condition. I would grade it at just under > excellent. The only body defect is slightly worn paint on the smoke > stack. What it does have is what appears to be very amateurishly > repaired loose driver tires. The insulators are not quite even and show > smears of what looks like contact cement. One insulator is cracked and > worn, but there is no evidence of pegging. Inside the reverse unit and > the SIT unit are in excellent condition, leading me to believe that it > wasn't used much, possibly because it wasn't a good runner because of > the driver problems. I think the year of the driver problem was 46 or > 47. Can anyone confirm this? > > Dale Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50371	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Control Systems Help

Lynn; If you want the ultimate in individual item controlability, ease of use, options to convert action cars and accessories to individual control, in an open source environment with real competition, in addition to sound as real as it gets,,,, go with DCC. If you want to stick with status quo, or "automated status quo", move to TMCC. Cost wise, no contest, DCC all the way. If you want to see pics of several different DCC conversions, check out the photo albums from me in the photos section of this group. If you want to see and hear some of my ACG DCC conversions, go to youtube and search on "barney6812", I think I've got 5 or 6 clips there, almost ready to post my SHS F7 conversion btw. If you want full up detailed steps on performing conversions, ask to join the S-modifiers group on yahoo, members only, you have to be prepared to share your work back to the group however, it is not just a "take out" group, it's share and share back. The SHS F3 is a super easy conversion, see the pics in the photo section. cheers Phil D --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lynnshouse2000" <lynnshouse2000@...> wrote: > > I am in need of some guidance on selecting a control system. I am > considering the different ones available, but need input from > users. First some background - I have 14 AF locomotives(11 steam, 3 > diesel), an SHS F3 A-B set with Locomatic, an SHS F7 A-A set with > DCC and sound, and a new Flyonel 4-8-4 with sound. All the AF locos > are operator grade either restored or needing restoration. > > I will begin constructing a layout in a 12x24 room within the next > two months. The track plan will be best served by a walk around > type control system. The track plan has reversing sections. I am > somewhat electronically inept ;-). The track plan incorporates > several operating accessories to gain help from my better half. She > likes them. > > I am considering either DCC or the Lionel TMCC system. At present I > would favor the TMCC because of the Flyonel 2-8-2/4-6-2 > locomotives. How does this system compare to DCC from a cost and > ease of installation point? How friendly is TMCC to two rail > reverse loops? I would like to hear from users of both systems. > How do you like them and would you do it again? > > Thanks in advance, > > Lynn Ray >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50372	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Control Systems Help

I've run conventional (transformers only), TMCC, Legacy, and DCC. Presently I use Legacy (with TPC400's) and DCC. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. If you're into fine tuning Configuration Variable values, remembering which Function buttons do what things for which engines, downloading custom sounds, programming function buttons, chips, etc, and configuring your system to operate with your PC then DCC does things TMCC can not attempt. But remember DCC voltage is neither AC or DC (more like a truncated AC with DC topper), and while some DCC systems allow you to assign a locomotive address to a DC-only engine those can sometimes run hot when you try to. You can not run AC engines on a DCC layout. If you're willing to run pretty much exclusively DCC engines and want a system to which there are nearly limitless layers to the onion, DCC is the way to go. You can convert conventional engines to DCC. I've done some, but unless you're comfortable with electronics, soldering, etc. I would recommend you at least buy DCC-ready (8-pin plug conversions are drop-in), or already DCC equipped engines. On the other hand if you want to run your AC powered Flyer engines, AM, SHS, and TMCC AF engines on the same layout, then go TMCC or Legacy with track power contollers (TPC). You can run everything sold to date from 1946 to the Big Boy when it shows up. You can also as Carl mentioned, convert old engines to TMCC (including sounds) with some knowledge of electronic and soldering skills. I've done several. Personally I like Legacy better than TMCC because of ease-of-use the new touchpad and backlit LCD screen, plus once we get engines based on it quilling the whistle, applying train brakes and separate engine brakes, selecting standard RR speeds, and other enhanced features will be fun to take advantage of. Two of my S-gauge loops are Legacy/TPC, one S loop is Legacy/TPC or DCC (thanks to a DPDT toggle), and my narrow gauge is DCC. I hope I never have to choose stricty one or the other system. They're both easy to have fun with. PS One nuance to some S-Helper engines (NW2's with sound for example) is that their sounds (horn, bell) and cab light on/off will only work with a 10-button Locomatic controller. Other SHS engines respond fine without the box (F7's for example). So, yes unfortunately to run the "oddballs" you'll need to wire in a LM box. Same is true with engines outfitted with Dallee aftermarket sound systems. Unfortunately.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50373	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Factory Defect - Loose driver tires

It was all based on friction fit. Getting loose can happen on any model year ACG steamer that has the 3-part drivers - -metal hub, plastic whitewall insulator, and rim. The hub can get loose on the axle, the insulator get loose on the hub, the rim get loose on the insulator. Most often the insulator gets loose on the hub. If the hub is still snug on the axle, and the rim snug on the insulator, and you can push the inslulator off the hub toward the chassis, then do so as far in as you can. With some 91% isopropyl alcohol on a Medium Microbrush (green stem) wipe clean the serrations on the hub, and from the back wipe clean the inside surface of the inslulator (I find it best to remove the armature and side rods so you can freely rotate all driver shafts). Then with some goof-proof AC glue (delayed set, I like the Loctite line of AC, AC gel, and gp-AC) on a Fine Microbrush sparingly "paint" the hub serrations, pull the insluator back out into position on the hub, rotate to ensure the rim is true (no wobble), wipe excess off with clean cotton cloth (not paper towel), allow to dry. If you have a smear or trace of the CA on the whitewall, hold a razor blade vertically on the whitewall and gently turn it to "shave" it clean. if the hub is loose on the axle, and/or rim loose on hub, and/or insulator badly cracked or has gaps in it in addition to the inslulator loose on the hub - - there's more work to do. Best I've found at that point to remove the driver from the engine and work on it that way. May need a new hub, insulator, etc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50374	From: roy inman	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: KW hookups

I know this may sound like heresy on the S-List, but a friend has a Lionel KW transformer and is wanting to know the hookup scheme. I seem to recall that the "U" terminal on either side is connected to the "A' or "B" terminal on the respective side. But what about the others? Is there a web site that I can direct him to, or can anyone pass along any info? Thanks in advance for any suggestions :0 Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50375	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: The 310 lives!

After many months, I have finally posted pictures of the rusty 310 rebuild. It took forever because I had problems loading them onto Yahoo for some reason. The format is different and many albums have disappeared! Back to the 310...This one came from four boxes of Flyer stuff purchased by the hobby shop. One box contained some items in really bad shape, including the disassembled and rusty 310 Pennsy Pacific. The items in the one box had been lost in a move and found in the basement, which was real damp. You can see what I started with in the photos! I had hoped all the parts were there, but they were not. I found what I needed at the S Spree and eBay. To no surprise the motor and reverse unit were rusted solid. This was okay because I run straight DC power anyway. The build up of grease and goo in the gearbox area saved that. After much cleaning and sanding, the boiler and tender looked pretty good and I painted them "Brunswick Green" which is almost black. The smokebox was painted black, the cab roof and tender deck light tuscan red, and the railings, bell, whistle, etc were painted "brass". The lettering is decals from LBR Restorations, and I like them alot. This engine is a good runner now and quite colorful. Some of the pictures are dark and don't do this one justice. Stumpy Stone...no Dremel work required on this rebuild...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50376	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: Train Show - Cleveland area.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50377	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/3/2008
Subject: Re: The 310 lives!

Stumpy- Nice work - she's a beaut! Bill in suddenly cool St. Louis - must be after Labor Day --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > After many months, I have finally posted pictures of the rusty 310 > rebuild. It took forever because I had problems loading them onto > Yahoo for some reason. The format is different and many albums have > disappeared! > Back to the 310...This one came from four boxes of Flyer stuff > purchased by the hobby shop. One box contained some items in really > bad shape, including the disassembled and rusty 310 Pennsy Pacific. > The items in the one box had been lost in a move and found in the > basement, which was real damp. You can see what I started with in > the photos! I had hoped all the parts were there, but they were > not. I found what I needed at the S Spree and eBay. > To no surprise the motor and reverse unit were rusted solid. This > was okay because I run straight DC power anyway. The build up of > grease and goo in the gearbox area saved that. After much cleaning > and sanding, the boiler and tender looked pretty good and I painted > them "Brunswick Green" which is almost black. The smokebox was > painted black, the cab roof and tender deck light tuscan red, and the > railings, bell, whistle, etc were painted "brass". > The lettering is decals from LBR Restorations, and I like them alot. > This engine is a good runner now and quite colorful. Some of the > pictures are dark and don't do this one justice. > Stumpy Stone...no Dremel work required on this rebuild...Martins > Ferry, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50378	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: The 310 lives!

Good looking model, Stumpy. Thanks for sharing with us - Gives me a good idea on what to do with a 322 that was in real bad shape when I got it. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] The 310 lives! After many months, I have finally posted pictures of the rusty 310 rebuild. It took forever because I had problems loading them onto Yahoo for some reason. The format is different and many albums have disappeared! Back to the 310...This one came from four boxes of Flyer stuff purchased by the hobby shop. One box contained some items in really bad shape, including the disassembled and rusty 310 Pennsy Pacific. The items in the one box had been lost in a move and found in the basement, which was real damp. You can see what I started with in the photos! I had hoped all the parts were there, but they were not. I found what I needed at the S Spree and eBay. To no surprise the motor and reverse unit were rusted solid. This was okay because I run straight DC power anyway. The build up of grease and goo in the gearbox area saved that. After much cleaning and sanding, the boiler and tender looked pretty good and I painted them "Brunswick Green" which is almost black. The smokebox was painted black, the cab roof and tender deck light tuscan red, and the railings, bell, whistle, etc were painted "brass". The lettering is decals from LBR Restorations, and I like them alot. This engine is a good runner now and quite colorful. Some of the pictures are dark and don't do this one justice. Stumpy Stone...no Dremel work required on this rebuild...Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50379	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: The 310 lives!

Way to go Stumpy - keep on fixin' 'em up!!!! Donald E. Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... S/Sn42 and Hn42 - Appalachian river logging modeler Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] The 310 lives! After many months, I have finally posted pictures of the rusty 310 rebuild. It took forever because I had problems loading them onto Yahoo for some reason. The format is different and many albums have disappeared! Back to the 310...This one came from four boxes of Flyer stuff purchased by the hobby shop. One box contained some items in really bad shape, including the disassembled and rusty 310 Pennsy Pacific. The items in the one box had been lost in a move and found in the basement, which was real damp. You can see what I started with in the photos! I had hoped all the parts were there, but they were not. I found what I needed at the S Spree and eBay. To no surprise the motor and reverse unit were rusted solid. This was okay because I run straight DC power anyway. The build up of grease and goo in the gearbox area saved that. After much cleaning and sanding, the boiler and tender looked pretty good and I painted them "Brunswick Green" which is almost black. The smokebox was painted black, the cab roof and tender deck light tuscan red, and the railings, bell, whistle, etc were painted "brass". The lettering is decals from LBR Restorations, and I like them alot. This engine is a good runner now and quite colorful. Some of the pictures are dark and don't do this one justice. Stumpy Stone...no Dremel work required on this rebuild...Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50380	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: The 310 lives!

Over the years I have occassionally gotten some nasty comments by a few collectors who don't like what I do to old Flyer. This time I took some "before" pictures to show what I start with! This is about normal of what I start with on my rebuilds and kit bashes, except for the rust on this one. No valuable, complete, running orginal Flyer is harmed in the making of my projects. I have six locomotives waiting for rebuilding, including a somewhat complete 4-8-4 that was part of this same batch of stuff from the hobby shop. Why the previous owner disassembled a whole box of engines and then lost them in the basement is a mystery to me. But in the long run, it worked in my favor as I'm willing to make them live again, if not always in their original Flyer livery. Stumpy Stone...creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50381	From: Coopers	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][S-Trains] Re:re:The 310 lives!

Dear Stumpy Having trouble finding your pics - would you please provide link? Thanks Much Art Richardson, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: [SPAM][S-Trains] Re:re:The 310 lives! Over the years I have occassionally gotten some nasty comments by a few collectors who don't like what I do to old Flyer. This time I took some "before" pictures to show what I start with! This is about normal of what I start with on my rebuilds and kit bashes, except for the rust on this one. No valuable, complete, running orginal Flyer is harmed in the making of my projects. I have six locomotives waiting for rebuilding, including a somewhat complete 4-8-4 that was part of this same batch of stuff from the hobby shop. Why the previous owner disassembled a whole box of engines and then lost them in the basement is a mystery to me. But in the long run, it worked in my favor as I'm willing to make them live again, if not always in their original Flyer livery. Stumpy Stone...creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50382	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Stump's Photos: The 310 lives!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1235098932/pic/list Stumpy, A while back Yahoo did some house cleaning. I moved my Yahoo albums to Photobucket. I still have a few albums at Yahoo. Might be newer ones. Rick. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50383	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: BIG BOY

I just got a package from Charles Ro.... Back orders show the BIG BOY expected by 12-10-2008!!!! Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50384	From: Coopers	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][S-Trains] Re:re:The 310 lives!

Dear Stumpy Very nice repair and finish job on your 310. I am curious though about the color scheme - an original of yours or based on a particular line? Looks sharp and your 2-8-0 which follows with apparently similar color scheme looks sharp as well. Keep it up! Best Regards, Art Richardson, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: [SPAM][S-Trains] Re:re:The 310 lives! Over the years I have occassionally gotten some nasty comments by a few collectors who don't like what I do to old Flyer. This time I took some "before" pictures to show what I start with! This is about normal of what I start with on my rebuilds and kit bashes, except for the rust on this one. No valuable, complete, running orginal Flyer is harmed in the making of my projects. I have six locomotives waiting for rebuilding, including a somewhat complete 4-8-4 that was part of this same batch of stuff from the hobby shop. Why the previous owner disassembled a whole box of engines and then lost them in the basement is a mystery to me. But in the long run, it worked in my favor as I'm willing to make them live again, if not always in their original Flyer livery. Stumpy Stone...creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50385	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: STUMPY

Stumpy, Please contact me off list, Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50386	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: FOR SALE 117P7GT

Anyone need the 117P7GT for the whistle control. I have gotten in quite a few (18), They are NEW in the box. But the boxes are old. I'd like $11 each shipping included. $21 for 2 $30 for 3 Contact me off list Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50387	From: jhwysopal	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: snow

I am starting to build my Christmas layout and my wife (I do love her) SUGGESTED a winter scene with "snow" on the buildings and accessories. I am using quilt batting on the ground. Any suggestions of what to use for "snow" that is harmless, easy to remove and looks semi-real? Thanks, Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50388	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: snow

Jim- I can tell you what NOT to use - my son set up his Christmas Village last year and decided to sprinkle a glittery plastic "snow" on everything, including the Fastrack (he has O gauge). It was a mess. It had a static cling and stuck to everything, including the trains. We couldn't shake it off, blow it off, etc. Had to wipe down all the buildings, etc. Had quite a time getting the trains clean, especially the undercarriages. We had sat everything on dark green felt. Never really got that clean. The only positive of the whole mess is that at least it wasn't metallic. Think we'll stick to the matting and cotton this year! Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "jhwysopal" <jhw749@...> > I am starting to build my Christmas layout and my wife (I do love her) > SUGGESTED a winter scene with "snow" on the buildings and accessories. > I am using quilt batting on the ground. Any suggestions of what to use > for "snow" that is harmless, easy to remove and looks semi-real? > Thanks, > Jim > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50389	From: Trains	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: The 310 lives!

Well, I realy enjoyed seeing your work and resurection of junk to wow status. Nice of you to post photo's. I also enjoyed the "micro" layout..great job! Peter L in OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50390	From: flyerman336	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: Re: BIG BOY

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rcon7@... wrote: > > I too thought the BB was 1/58 scale..... but alteres to scale length..... It looks a little bigger....... BUT..... WHO HAS THE BEST PRICES SO I CAN ORDER ONE TOMMORROW....... Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Just Trains in Newark, DE is taking orders for the Big Boy for $635.00. www.justrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50391	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/4/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/5/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50392	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: 310 project : The color story

The paint is as close to Brunswick Green as I could get. Pennsy painted much of their passenger steam locomotive fleet a VERY dark green at one time. They called it "Brunswick Green" and the thinking seems to have been to match the Pullman cars, yet be dark enough not to show much soot. We have an old Pennsy shop man who comes into the hobby shop and I've talked to him a lot. According to him, every engine shop mixed their paint in house, so Pennsy's famous Tuscan and this green varied every time equipment was repainted. The formula at Mingo Junction where he worked was a pail of black to a quart of green, others were known to have used as little as a one in twenty mix, and still others didn't bother with the green at all, especially toward the end of steam. The same thing was true of smokebox color. Some shops used a greyish graphite, while the Mingo shop used black on smokeboxes and fireboxes. You can't go by old color photos either because the emultion didn't hold true over the years and the light they were taken in made the colors vary. My old Pennsy guy says mine is still too light a green! As far as the light tuscan cab roof and tender deck, this was done to engines which were going into storage for a time and was simply a rust preventative. The tuscan didn't get painted over until the next major shopping and repaint, so I guess I'm depicting an engine fresh out of storage. I wasn't really modeling a particular engine, but liked this color combination following Pennsy practice. My "Brunswick Green" started as Floquil BNSF Green with three drops of Engine Black and was brushed as are all my locos. Stumpy Stone...working somewhere between prototype and just plain fun...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50393	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: 310 project : The color story

If the red was put on for storage to prevent rust, could it have been red lead? Mike In a message dated 10/5/2008 7:58:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: The paint is as close to Brunswick Green as I could get. Pennsy painted much of their passenger steam locomotive fleet a VERY dark green at one time. They called it "Brunswick Green" and the thinking seems to have been to match the Pullman cars, yet be dark enough not to show much soot. We have an old Pennsy shop man who comes into the hobby shop and I've talked to him a lot. According to him, every engine shop mixed their paint in house, so Pennsy's famous Tuscan and this green varied every time equipment was repainted. The formula at Mingo Junction where he worked was a pail of black to a quart of green, others were known to have used as little as a one in twenty mix, and still others didn't bother with the green at all, especially toward the end of steam. The same thing was true of smokebox color. Some shops used a greyish graphite, while the Mingo shop used black on smokeboxes and fireboxes. You can't go by old color photos either because the emultion didn't hold true over the years and the light they were taken in made the colors vary. My old Pennsy guy says mine is still too light a green! As far as the light tuscan cab roof and tender deck, this was done to engines which were going into storage for a time and was simply a rust preventative. The tuscan didn't get painted over until the next major shopping and repaint, so I guess I'm depicting an engine fresh out of storage. I wasn't really modeling a particular engine, but liked this color combination following Pennsy practice. My "Brunswick Green" started as Floquil BNSF Green with three drops of Engine Black and was brushed as are all my locos. Stumpy Stone...working somewhere between prototype and just plain fun...in Appalachia. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50394	From: boblines51	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: flyer catalog

I am going through all my catalogs and only keeping the pages that have Flyer on them.My question is,were there no flyer made in 1998 and just christmas in 2000? Also I have extra catalogs from some years that I did not cut up.If anyone needs one let me know. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50395	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: pinning driving wheels

In the late 50's & and in the 60's , Gilbert wired Steam type locomotives with a hot Chassis. With brass pins thru the wheels on one side of the locomotive you can increase the electrical pick up. On 4-6-2 and larger you can rewire the tenders to pick up on all 4 wheels, & steel wheels can be added to the locomotive pilot to add more electrical pickup. Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Click for free information on accounting careers, $150 hour potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l691XUxk4sqXVipGIhBUFaxreuaZV4ZfzVuOvxHJMxuvYsb/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50396	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: flyer catalog

Bob, could you tell me what year the Santa Fe merger GP-9 caqme out in? Also in that year what were the other items issued. I can only remember the GP-9 & caboose & Tank Train tankcar. Thank You, Mike In a message dated 10/5/2008 10:35:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bobville@... writes: I am going through all my catalogs and only keeping the pages that have Flyer on them.My question is,were there no flyer made in 1998 and just christmas in 2000? Also I have extra catalogs from some years that I did not cut up.If anyone needs one let me know. Bob Persing **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50397	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: flyer catalog

1999 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: anormal1@...: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:55:47 -0400Subject: Re: [S-Trains] flyer catalog Bob, could you tell me what year the Santa Fe merger GP-9 caqme out in? Also in that year what were the other items issued. I can only remember the GP-9 & caboose & Tank Train tankcar. Thank You, MikeIn a message dated 10/5/2008 10:35:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bobville@... writes:I am going through all my catalogs and only keeping the pages thathave Flyer on them.My question is,were there no flyer made in 1998 andjust christmas in 2000? Also I have extra catalogs from some yearsthat I did not cut up.If anyone needs one let me know. Bob Persing**************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn �10 hidden secrets� from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50398	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: flyer catalog

Mike,That is all there was plus the Christmas car in 1999. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] flyer catalog Bob, could you tell me what year the Santa Fe merger GP-9 caqme out in? Also in that year what were the other items issued. I can only remember the GP-9 & caboose & Tank Train tankcar. Thank You, Mike In a message dated 10/5/2008 10:35:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bobville@... writes: I am going through all my catalogs and only keeping the pages that have Flyer on them.My question is,were there no flyer made in 1998 and just christmas in 2000? Also I have extra catalogs from some years that I did not cut up.If anyone needs one let me know. Bob Persing **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1709 - Release Date: 10/5/2008 9:20 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50399	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: flyer catalog

I made a mistake it should have been .Was there no Flyer in 1985 and only Christmas car in 2000. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam & Peggy Pellegrino" <boxcarsam@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] flyer catalog 1999 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: anormal1@...: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:55:47 -0400Subject: Re: [S-Trains] flyer catalog Bob, could you tell me what year the Santa Fe merger GP-9 caqme out in? Also in that year what were the other items issued. I can only remember the GP-9 & caboose & Tank Train tankcar. Thank You, MikeIn a message dated 10/5/2008 10:35:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bobville@... writes:I am going through all my catalogs and only keeping the pages thathave Flyer on them.My question is,were there no flyer made in 1998 andjust christmas in 2000? Also I have extra catalogs from some yearsthat I did not cut up.If anyone needs one let me know. Bob Persing**************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn "10 hidden secrets" from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1709 - Release Date: 10/5/2008 9:20 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50400	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/5/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50401	From: G C	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: 310 project : The color story

Tuscan Red as Stumpy said was never the same from one place to the next. Depending on where the cars were painted or how long between painting, the color could vary from almost a maroon down to a pinkish shade. Brunswick Green was I believe originally derived from somewhere in England or Eorope. I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I have listened to my O Scale friends recite the history of PRR many times and I'm still learning.   gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50402	From: G C	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: 310 project : The color story

Answer, Red Lead was painted on the cab roofs when they came out of the shop for the very first time. Each time they were shopped it was redone. This was solely to prevent rusting. Also, it didn't last long. I got this from a bunch of O Scale guys who have been at PRR Modeling for eons.   In Stumpy's case the K5 looks like it just came out of the shop so we can go with that.   gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50403	From: dvprc	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: getting on the chat

How do I get into the chat room

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50404	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Alco Performance

I finally got my single-motor Comet ALCO running, following a two month hiatus with a hip fracture. The engine runs OK in both directions, with the e-unit functioning perfectly. However, it still seems to me to be slow. It runs smoothly and pulls pretty well, but slowly. My old steamers would outrun this thing easily. Is this characteristic of the single engine ALCO's ? The only other AF diesel I have to compare it to is a Baldwin that is MUCH faster. Am I expecting too much? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50405	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance

Jim, I trust you are recovering well after your hip problem. This getting old is not for wimps. I have had 2 knee replacements, myself. I have 4 Alcos and they will fly around the track. I would check 2 things. Put a tiny drop of oil directly on the armature shaft, where it goes thru the 2 brass bearings. Next adjust the 2 screws on the top of the brass yoke that fits around the field. You want to get the armature windings exactly centered between the field. Hope this helps. Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 01:15:11 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Alco Performance I finally got my single-motor Comet ALCO running, following a two month hiatus with a hip fracture. The engine runs OK in both directions, with the e-unit functioning perfectly. However, it still seems to me to be slow. It runs smoothly and pulls pretty well, but slowly. My old steamers would outrun this thing easily. Is this characteristic of the single engine ALCO's ? The only other AF diesel I have to compare it to is a Baldwin that is MUCH faster.Am I expecting too much?Jim E. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50406	From: Alan Carroll	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Lionel's Mikado & Pacific

I am looking for information and pictures of the Lionel S scale Mikado and Pacific. Measurements, pictures assembled and unassembled, like the drive mechanism. If anyone could lead me in that direction I would appreciate it. Alan Carroll Andover, Massachusetts

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50407	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance

The single can motor units are not designed for speed. We use lower gearing to give the motor pulling power. BUT, it is not supposed to run TOO slowly.If you think there is a problem, send it to me. Steve In a message dated 10/05/2008 7:58:06 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jimensign50@... writes: I finally got my single-motor Comet ALCO running, following a two month hiatus with a hip fracture. The engine runs OK in both directions, with the e-unit functioning perfectly. However, it still seems to me to be slow. It runs smoothly and pulls pretty well, but slowly. My old steamers would outrun this thing easily. Is this characteristic of the single engine ALCO's ? The only other AF diesel I have to compare it to is a Baldwin that is MUCH faster. Am I expecting too much? Jim E. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50408	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Fwd: CABOOSE' DEBATE REVISTED

____________________________________ From: caboose@... To: Anormal1@... Sent: 10/5/2008 7:28:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: RE: CABOOSE' Michael, yes I’ve seen them but regret not having any photos to pass on. David RMI -----Original Message----- From: Anormal1@... [mailto:Anormal1@...] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:00 PM To: caboose@... Subject: RE: CABOOSE' Can you tell me if there is a caboose with a cupola & bay window? Thank you for your time, Mike PS: if there is one do you know where I can get a pic. Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 ____________________________________ New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. _Try it out_ (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ! Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1694 - Release Date: 9/26/2008 6:55 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1694 - Release Date: 9/26/2008 6:55 PM **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50409	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: flyer catalog

Thank You, Mike In a message dated 10/5/2008 1:38:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bobville@... writes: Mike,That is all there was plus the Christmas car in 1999. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] flyer catalog Bob, could you tell me what year the Santa Fe merger GP-9 caqme out in? Also in that year what were the other items issued. I can only remember the GP-9 & caboose & Tank Train tankcar. Thank You, Mike In a message dated 10/5/2008 10:35:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _bobville@..._ (mailto:bobville@...) writes: I am going through all my catalogs and only keeping the pages that have Flyer on them.My question is,were there no flyer made in 1998 and just christmas in 2000? Also I have extra catalogs from some years that I did not cut up.If anyone needs one let me know. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50410	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance

Thanks Larry, I'll try both. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> > Jim, I trust you are recovering well after your hip problem. This getting old is > not for wimps. I have had 2 knee replacements, myself. I have 4 Alcos and they > will fly around the track. I would check 2 things. Put a tiny drop of oil > directly on the armature shaft, where it goes thru the 2 brass bearings. Next > adjust the 2 screws on the top of the brass yoke that fits around the field. You > want to get the armature windings exactly centered between the field. Hope this > helps. Larry Moore > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 > 01:15:11 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Alco Performance > > > > > I finally got my single-motor Comet ALCO running, following a two month hiatus > with a hip fracture. The engine runs OK in both directions, with the e-unit > functioning perfectly. However, it still seems to me to be slow. It runs > smoothly and pulls pretty well, but slowly. My old steamers would outrun this > thing easily. Is this characteristic of the single engine ALCO's ? The only > other AF diesel I have to compare it to is a Baldwin that is MUCH faster.Am I > expecting too much?Jim E. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50411	From: G C	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: 310 project : The color story

Stumpy,   While I tend to keep my stuff as close to the prototype as I can given their "toy origin",  I think you did a great job on your K5. If you had put any color on the thing it would still have been a nice piece of work. It is interesting that some in the S family can fuss over how close something is to a prototype that consisted of only two locomotives. After all these were experimental and when the PRR decided they were no longer of use they were cut up.   If a few of us want to turn back the clock to have something that closely resembles the "real thing", that's great. We should also encourage questions like what color was the prototype, but for others it is a wonderful thing to take a junker and rebuild / repaint it into something that talks the talk and walks the walk of a steam locomotive - no matter what color scheme is on it. That's the fun of this hobby.   Also, how many real to life steamers and diesels are there that are now being used on tourist railroads. I'm sure they are not all in their original livery. Who cares when you get to ride behind them. Did anyone care how the Reading T1 was painted when it was the Steam Special? We were thrilled just to see a real steam locomotive running and spewing steam and smoke.    Nice work! You done good.   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50412	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance

Steve- Sorry for the the miscommunication- this is not a can conversion. This has the old original AF motor. It's funny you responded because I was looking at your website for a conversion in the midst of my frustration ! Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: boss31@... > The single can motor units are not designed for speed. We use lower gearing > to give the motor pulling power. > BUT, it is not supposed to run TOO slowly.If you think there is a problem, > send it to me. > > Steve > > In a message dated 10/05/2008 7:58:06 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > jimensign50@... writes: > > > > > I finally got my single-motor Comet ALCO running, following a two month > hiatus with a hip > fracture. The engine runs OK in both directions, with the e-unit functioning > perfectly. > However, it still seems to me to be slow. It runs smoothly and pulls pretty > well, but slowly. > My old steamers would outrun this thing easily. Is this characteristic of > the single engine > ALCO's ? The only other AF diesel I have to compare it to is a Baldwin that > is MUCH faster. > Am I expecting too much? > Jim E. > > > > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50413	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance

Hi Jim, I had the same issue with one years ago. What I found out is that I needed to go put bushings in the chassis. At first, I didn't think that was the problen because usually when the chassis axle holes get worn the engine will either run kind of jumping along or just not move at all. This one ran but just slow. Try Larry's suggestions first. If that doesn't do it, take everything off the chassis except the wheels and axles. Check how much up and down and side to side movement you have. If the axle holes are good, you shouldn't have hardly any kind of up/down or side to side movement. On mine I found I had a lot of up/down movement. I pulled the wheels off the axles and removed the axles. I found that the axle holes were starting to get egg-shaped. Not as much as I have seen on other chassis that I have rebushed, but must have been just enough to create the problem. I rebushed the chassis and when I put everything back together the engine ran very a heck of a lot faster. Before you do anything else, try Larry's suggestions first. I don't know if you have already done this, but did you check to make sure you don't have any of the original Gilbert grease on the gears? That stuff can harden up over the years and really slow down a engine. I had an Alco once that I fixed for an original owner and the grease was so hard the engine didn't run at all. I cleaned it all out and put a modern grease in it and the engine ran fine!!! Good luck, hope you get it going faster. Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Alco Performance Thanks Larry, I'll try both. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> > Jim, I trust you are recovering well after your hip problem. This getting old is > not for wimps. I have had 2 knee replacements, myself. I have 4 Alcos and they > will fly around the track. I would check 2 things. Put a tiny drop of oil > directly on the armature shaft, where it goes thru the 2 brass bearings. Next > adjust the 2 screws on the top of the brass yoke that fits around the field. You > want to get the armature windings exactly centered between the field. Hope this > helps. Larry Moore > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 > 01:15:11 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Alco Performance > > > > > I finally got my single-motor Comet ALCO running, following a two month hiatus > with a hip fracture. The engine runs OK in both directions, with the e-unit > functioning perfectly. However, it still seems to me to be slow. It runs > smoothly and pulls pretty well, but slowly. My old steamers would outrun this > thing easily. Is this characteristic of the single engine ALCO's ? The only > other AF diesel I have to compare it to is a Baldwin that is MUCH faster.Am I > expecting too much?Jim E. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50414	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Eastern Idaho Train Show

S Gaugers, Railshow 2008, sponsored by the Eagle Rock Railroad Historical Society, will be held this weekend, October 11-12, in Idaho Falls, Idaho. For information: http://www.ida.net/org/errhsi/theframes.html The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers will be making the cross-state trip to display Lookout Junction, our well-known and well-traveled portable S layout. We invite all railfans from southern Idaho and Montana, northern Utah, and Wyoming to stop by and run a few trains with us. This may be the last opportunity to observe the current version of Lookout Junction in operation, as our club is designing Lookout Junction III from the ground up, complete with DCC and S-Trax. Hope to see you there! YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50415	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance

Nothing can be as fast and fun or vexing as a Gilbert diesel. When in fine tune they're amazingly smooth, silent, and speedy. When off they can behave in ways that keep you up at night. The single motor units (Geeps, certain PA's, and EP5) are not good for pulling long ACG AF trains, but work well with larger numbers of modern rolling stock in tow (AM, SHS freight, and AM Hvywts). The dual motor units have the pulling power. But in either case, their power trucks are most sensitive to 1) axle hole wear (meshing and tolerance of the worm and drive gear on each axle), 2) centering of armature in field, 3) cleanliness of commutators, commutator gaps, and brushes (free of grease, oil, grime, etc.), 4) condition of armature and field winding wires (sound insulation, correct ohms resistance segment to segment, etc.), 5) condition of rev unit wires and connections (especially at connections to field wires and to brushes), 6) size of brushes and tension in brush springs, 7) barrel bushing wear, 8) cleanliness and f proper lubrication/lubricants. Any one or combination of those can cause one to run slow, sproradic, and/or hot. The pity is how these elegant beasts start consumng themselves at a viscous rate the moment you start running them. That due mainly from the soft metal frames the majority of Gilbert production units (without the axle bearing inserts of some early releases) depend on. The arcing of axle to chassis eats away at the soft metal and friction adds to the wear as well. Soon they're not round holes any more, the gear mesh and tolerances decay and the motor runs hotter. The hotter the worse the wear and on and on. I don't run them anymore unless they have rebushed chassis or LTI release chassis with bushings in them. In this case, I'd say start with be sure eveything is clean. Then before lubricating check axle hole/bearing wear, field centering, brush size and spring tension, and wiring connections. If all is well, then lube sparingly - - Lubriplate 630-AA grease on the gears and let it get on the axles/bearings (nothing works as well, every ACG diesel I've used this on runs cooler) just don't pack everything in it, LaBelle 107 Mehium on the barrel busings (keep it off the commutators), and test. If any of the prior are not right, render it fixed before moving on. Most likely you need axle bushings. If those fail, it might be the need for field or armature rewinding. Been there, done both. As much as I like modern motive power, there is nothing like pulling some Gilbert Flyer diesels, steamers or an EP5 off the shelf and running them. Swoooosh, chooch, and the great smell of ozone.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50416	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance

Hi Daryl- I re-bushed it earlier when I had it torn down. Also soaked, cleaned, and re-lubed all the gears. I re-checked the ball-type bearings this morning as per Larry's suggestion. They seemed free, but added a drop to make sure. I also checked to make sure the armature is centered. As far as I can tell it is. To give you an idea of performance, I have a four-piece plastic chrome set of the 660-series passenger cars that I normally pull easily with my 290 steamer. The Comet seemed to have enough power, but not enough traction to pull all four - it spun it's wheels on start-up. I cut it down to three cars and it pulls that consist fine with hardly any spin at the start. It certainly doesn't have the top speed of the 290 steamer, but at least it was good enough that I could walk away without cussing and throwing things! :) Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Daryl Olszeski" <jaytewilli@...> > Hi Jim, > > I had the same issue with one years ago. What I found out is that I needed to > go put bushings in the chassis. At first, I didn't think that was the problen > because usually when the chassis axle holes get worn the engine will either run > kind of jumping along or just not move at all. This one ran but just slow. Try > Larry's suggestions first. If that doesn't do it, take everything off the > chassis except the wheels and axles. Check how much up and down and side to > side movement you have. If the axle holes are good, you shouldn't have hardly > any kind of up/down or side to side movement. On mine I found I had a lot of > up/down movement. I pulled the wheels off the axles and removed the axles. I > found that the axle holes were starting to get egg-shaped. Not as much as I > have seen on other chassis that I have rebushed, but must have been just enough > to create the problem. I rebushed the chassis and when I put everything back > together the engine ran very a heck of a lot faster. > Before you do anything else, try Larry's suggestions first. I don't know if you > have already done this, but did you check to make sure you don't have any of the > original Gilbert grease on the gears? That stuff can harden up over the years > and really slow down a engine. I had an Alco once that I fixed for an original > owner and the grease was so hard the engine didn't run at all. I cleaned it all > out and put a modern grease in it and the engine ran fine!!! Good luck, hope > you get it going faster. > > Daryl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimensign50@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:09 AM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Alco Performance > > > Thanks Larry, I'll try both. > Jim E. > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> > > Jim, I trust you are recovering well after your hip problem. This getting > old is > > not for wimps. I have had 2 knee replacements, myself. I have 4 Alcos and > they > > will fly around the track. I would check 2 things. Put a tiny drop of oil > > directly on the armature shaft, where it goes thru the 2 brass bearings. > Next > > adjust the 2 screws on the top of the brass yoke that fits around the field. > You > > want to get the armature windings exactly centered between the field. Hope > this > > helps. Larry Moore > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Mon, 6 Oct > 2008 > > 01:15:11 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Alco Performance > > > > > > > > > > I finally got my single-motor Comet ALCO running, following a two month > hiatus > > with a hip fracture. The engine runs OK in both directions, with the e-unit > > functioning perfectly. However, it still seems to me to be slow. It runs > > smoothly and pulls pretty well, but slowly. My old steamers would outrun > this > > thing easily. Is this characteristic of the single engine ALCO's ? The only > > other AF diesel I have to compare it to is a Baldwin that is MUCH faster.Am > I > > expecting too much?Jim E. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows > Live. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50417	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Casey Jones Repair

Does anyone have a foolproof method of removing the chassis from the plastic body without breaking the body? I need to do an engine repair and am afraid too much stress on a now brittle plastic body will break it. Is there a best pace to hold/spread the body to remove the chassis? paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50418	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance

Hello All! I picked up a S Helper outside braced car a few years ago and don't know who made it, or the stock number.? Any help would be appreciated. It is a "Skokie Lines?" bulk sucryl box car with?reporting marks? GSV yellow sides with a blue roof and ends.? Car # is 2084 Thanks,? Dave. -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Olszeski <jaytewilli@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:08 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Alco Performance Hi Jim, I had the same issue with one years ago. What I found out is that I needed to go put bushings in the chassis. At first, I didn't think that was the problen because usually when the chassis axle holes get worn the engine will either run kind of jumping along or just not move at all. This one ran but just slow. Try Larry's suggestions first. If that doesn't do it, take everything off the chassis except the wheels and axles. Check how much up and down and side to side movement you have. If the axle holes are good, you shouldn't have hardly any kind of up/down or side to side movement. On mine I found I had a lot of up/down movement. I pulled the wheels off the axles and removed the axles. I found that the axle holes were starting to get egg-shaped. Not as much as I have seen on other chassis that I have rebushed, but must have been just enough to create the problem. I rebushed the chassis and when I put everything back together the engine ran very a heck of a lot faster. Before you do anything else, try Larry's suggestions first. I don't know if you have already done this, but did you check to make sure you don't have any of the original Gilbert grease on the gears? That stuff can harden up over the years and really slow down a engine. I had an Alco once that I fixed for an original owner and the grease was so hard the engine didn't run at all. I cleaned it all out and put a modern grease in it and the engine ran fine!!! Good luck, hope you get it going faster. Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Alco Performance Thanks Larry, I'll try both. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> > Jim, I trust you are recovering well after your hip problem. This getting old is > not for wimps. I have had 2 knee replacements, myself. I have 4 Alcos and they > will fly around the track. I would check 2 things. Put a tiny drop of oil > directly on the armature shaft, where it goes thru the 2 brass bearings. Next > adjust the 2 screws on the top of the brass yoke that fits around the field. You > want to get the armature windings exactly centered between the field. Hope this > helps. Larry Moore > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 > 01:15:11 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Alco Performance > > > > > I finally got my single-motor Comet ALCO running, following a two month hiatus > with a hip fracture. The engine runs OK in both directions, with the e-unit > functioning perfectly. However, it still seems to me to be slow. It runs > smoothly and pulls pretty well, but slowly. My old steamers would outrun this > thing easily. Is this characteristic of the single engine ALCO's ? The only > other AF diesel I have to compare it to is a Baldwin that is MUCH faster.Am I > expecting too much?Jim E. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50419	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance

Boy! Lots to consider... I'd like t think I've covered all that, but obviously I haven't and something is still amiss. I do question the viability of both the field and armature. I did the obvious in cleaning them, but not the technical analysis (resistance, etc.). I just saw a complete used motor go on e-bay for about $45 plus shipping. Does this sound like the going rate for the average used AF motor? BTW, the market crash hasn't seemed to affect e-baby prices yet, has it? Jim -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> > Nothing can be as fast and fun or vexing as a Gilbert diesel. When > in fine tune they're amazingly smooth, silent, and speedy. When off > they can behave in ways that keep you up at night. The single motor > units (Geeps, certain PA's, and EP5) are not good for pulling long > ACG AF trains, but work well with larger numbers of modern rolling > stock in tow (AM, SHS freight, and AM Hvywts). The dual motor units > have the pulling power. But in either case, their power trucks are > most sensitive to 1) axle hole wear (meshing and tolerance of the > worm and drive gear on each axle), 2) centering of armature in field, > 3) cleanliness of commutators, commutator gaps, and brushes (free of > grease, oil, grime, etc.), 4) condition of armature and field winding > wires (sound insulation, correct ohms resistance segment to segment, > etc.), 5) condition of rev unit wires and connections (especially at > connections to field wires and to brushes), 6) size of brushes and > tension in brush springs, 7) barrel bushing wear, 8) cleanliness and > f proper lubrication/lubricants. Any one or combination of those can > cause one to run slow, sproradic, and/or hot. The pity is how these > elegant beasts start consumng themselves at a viscous rate the moment > you start running them. That due mainly from the soft metal frames > the majority of Gilbert production units (without the axle bearing > inserts of some early releases) depend on. The arcing of axle to > chassis eats away at the soft metal and friction adds to the wear as > well. Soon they're not round holes any more, the gear mesh and > tolerances decay and the motor runs hotter. The hotter the worse the > wear and on and on. I don't run them anymore unless they have > rebushed chassis or LTI release chassis with bushings in them. In > this case, I'd say start with be sure eveything is clean. Then > before lubricating check axle hole/bearing wear, field centering, > brush size and spring tension, and wiring connections. If all is > well, then lube sparingly - - Lubriplate 630-AA grease on the gears > and let it get on the axles/bearings (nothing works as well, every > ACG diesel I've used this on runs cooler) just don't pack everything > in it, LaBelle 107 Mehium on the barrel busings (keep it off the > commutators), and test. If any of the prior are not right, render it > fixed before moving on. Most likely you need axle bushings. If > those fail, it might be the need for field or armature rewinding. > Been there, done both. As much as I like modern motive power, there > is nothing like pulling some Gilbert Flyer diesels, steamers or an > EP5 off the shelf and running them. Swoooosh, chooch, and the great > smell of ozone. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50420	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Craig's List

Just my impression, but doesn't it seem that posting on Craig's List is a total waste of time? In 12 ads, all the replies from those scammers, who, in broken English, explain that their mover will come after I get a check for $X dollars more than the price. Well, ya get what ya pays fer-and Craig's costs nothing.......John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50421	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance

We made that car for the NMRA in 1999. The product numbe is 00425. . It was a very short run. Best, Don On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:39 AM, YardMasterModels@... wrote: > Hello All! I picked up a S Helper outside braced car a few years ago > and don't know who made it, or the stock number.? Any help would be > appreciated. It is a "Skokie Lines?" bulk sucryl box car with? > reporting marks? GSV yellow sides with a blue roof and ends.? Car # > is 2084 > > > > Messages in this topic (9)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > Calendar > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 2 > New Members > 6 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > Best of Y! Groups > Check it out > and nominate your > group to be featured. > Yahoo! Groups > w/ John McEnroe > Join the All-Bran > Day 10 Club. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50422	From: Firewood	Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: 310 project : The color story

Stumpy, that 310 looks great. Makes me want to resurrect my very dusty 310 pile of parts...... If we Google on their UK page, the following shows up..... http://www.heritagepaints.co.uk/dp_brunswick_green.html http://www.watercressline.co.uk/tw/pages/cppaint.htm http://www.modelsforsale.com/listphotos/HP3.jpg I believe the old recipe for brunswick green was copper compounds treated in various ways, inluding the corrosion of copper in seawater. Now that would be an interesting loco colour, but hardly an impressive hue for the standard railroad of the world......... A lot greener for sure. Great piece of work, Stumpy! Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50423	From: Scale S Only	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: GSV Car

Hi Dave -- That was one of the NMRA special issue cars featuring Ed Ravenscroft's Glencoe Skokie Valley (last residing in Phoenix area before he died). A little garish, but a special car non the less. Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ Hello All! I picked up a S Helper outside braced car a few years ago and don't know who made it, or the stock number.? Any help would be appreciated. It is a "Skokie Lines?" bulk sucryl box car with?reporting marks? GSV yellow sides with a blue roof and ends.? Car # is 2084 Thanks,? Dave.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50424	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: GSV Car

Thank you Bill, your information is very helpful.? Dave. -----Original Message----- From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:14 am Subject: [S-Trains] GSV Car Hi Dave -- That was one of the NMRA special issue cars featuring Ed Ravenscroft's Glencoe Skokie Valley (last residing in Phoenix area before he died). A little garish, but a special car non the less. Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ Hello All! I picked up a S Helper outside braced car a few years ago and don't know who made it, or the stock number.? Any help would be appreciated. It is a "Skokie Lines?" bulk sucryl box car with?reporting marks? GSV yellow sides with a blue roof and ends.? Car # is 2084 Thanks,? Dave. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50425	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Steam locomotive colors

There were many colorful steam locomotives some years ago. Of course most folks are aware that almost all locos built in the eighteen hundreds were more colorful. Lots of finished wood, goldleaf stripeing and lettering, and colorful paint. At that time "Russia Iron" jacketing over the boiler was popular, and was a light blue/gray which photographed grey or white. Just before the turn of the century, Vanderbilt of the New York Central, realizing the cost of maintaining all this color, decreed that from then on all locomotives on his railroad would be black! This quickly caught on with other railroads and even the locomotive builders for the same reason. Even so, there were still some colorful engines. The Southern Pacifc Daylight, the Southern Railway's Crescent engines, the Baltimore & Ohio's Royal Blue and President class engines (which were first green, then blue, the later black), the Broadway Limited "Torpedo" engines in Tuscan and Brunswick Green K-4s, and even the Central's two tone gray Twentieth Century Limited streamline locos. There were many more. Even the builders didn't stay black. Lima Locomotive Works painted locos and tenders an even darker green that Pennsy, Baldwin often used a deep maroon or brown, and Alco often painted the first locomotive of a class gray for photography, then sent it back through the paint shop before delivery. Even in later years, smokeboxes and fireboxes were painted black, gray, or silver graphite to endure the heat. And of course we're all well aware of white or silver driver tires and wheel rims. And if you want to see a real collection of colorful locos, just look overseas where Vanderbilt's all black decree has always been ignored! Stumpy Stone...dangerous with a rail history book and a paint brush!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50426	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: Massive New Catalog -- S scale only (no AF)

The internet is the answer and we have a guy who has a master link Page.  May be we could e-mail his link page to everyone, that costs nothing. We have so many manufactures coming and going.  Here are some kids I might make, but it is hard to get the word out.  My son say forget the web page and go all e-bay? He is the expert on this stuff. Jim Sleeth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50427	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: Steam locomotive colors

VERY interesting info Stumpy!! Thanks much for the education! Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > There were many colorful steam locomotives some years ago. Of course > most folks are aware that almost all locos built in the eighteen > hundreds were more colorful. Lots of finished wood, goldleaf stripeing > and lettering, and colorful paint. At that time "Russia Iron" > jacketing over the boiler was popular, and was a light blue/gray which > photographed grey or white. > Just before the turn of the century, Vanderbilt of the New York > Central, realizing the cost of maintaining all this color, decreed that > from then on all locomotives on his railroad would be black! This > quickly caught on with other railroads and even the locomotive builders > for the same reason. > Even so, there were still some colorful engines. The Southern Pacifc > Daylight, the Southern Railway's Crescent engines, the Baltimore & > Ohio's Royal Blue and President class engines (which were first green, > then blue, the later black), the Broadway Limited "Torpedo" engines in > Tuscan and Brunswick Green K-4s, and even the Central's two tone gray > Twentieth Century Limited streamline locos. There were many more. > Even the builders didn't stay black. Lima Locomotive Works painted > locos and tenders an even darker green that Pennsy, Baldwin often used > a deep maroon or brown, and Alco often painted the first locomotive of > a class gray for photography, then sent it back through the paint shop > before delivery. > Even in later years, smokeboxes and fireboxes were painted black, gray, > or silver graphite to endure the heat. And of course we're all well > aware of white or silver driver tires and wheel rims. > And if you want to see a real collection of colorful locos, just look > overseas where Vanderbilt's all black decree has always been ignored! > Stumpy Stone...dangerous with a rail history book and a paint brush! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50428	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: AF circus load option

Fellow American Flyer Circus Enthusiasts: On Ebay as we speak is one of the rare ACME carousel trucks. The nose on these trucks is very similar to the Allied trucks sold as loads originally, and a carousel truck in my local area was reportedly sold as an actual load for the AF circus train. They fit in beautifully with a circus train. Here is the link if interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=380069572479 And if that does not work, just type in "circus truck" on eBay and you will find it there. Happy collecting! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50429	From: roy inman	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy

I confess I have not been following the list too closely lately, so if this is old news, I apologize. Called Lionel customer service on a technical matter, and while I was on the phone with a very nice lady named Margaret, I also asker her for the AF Big Boy delivery date . She said August, 2009. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50430	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: Craig's List

I spose so,,, although I sold a pickup truck 2 years ago on there. Had 4 calls in 15 minutes and in 25 minutes I had the cash and the buyer had the truck. (guess I underpriced it...... :) ) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: > > Just my impression, but doesn't it seem that posting on Craig's List is a total waste of time? In 12 ads, all the replies from those scammers, who, in broken English, explain that their mover will come after I get a check for $X dollars more than the price. Well, ya get what ya pays fer-and Craig's costs nothing.......John Marganski > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50431	From: Firewood	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: Steam locomotive colors

I tell ya, Stumpy, I'm messing with that idea. I have some Canadian Pacific colours gathered to do an Atlantic.....maybe make a 4-4-4 out of it, then I would have a CP Jubilee!....sorta. http://www.steamlocomotive.com/streamlined/surviving/cpr2928a.jpg http://www.steamlocomotive.com/streamlined/surviving/cpr2928.jpg After that, maybe some Midland Railway red from England?? http://www.yorkhistoryinpictures.co.uk/Images/Rail/Red-Engine.jpg or Scotland perhaps? http://www.modelrailways.tv/standard_gauge/heritage.htm Regards all, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50432	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK

OK, all you older guys out there. I'm watching "Strangers On A Train". This is the first time I've ever seen a train station with CURVED track. Anyone know of where there are others? Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50433	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: Steam locomotive colors

In a message dated 10/7/2008 7:39:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, fahrwud@... writes: tell ya, Stumpy, I'm messing with that idea. I have some Canadian Pacific colours gathered to do an Atlantic.....maybe make a 4-4-4 out of it, then I would have a CP Jubilee!....sorta. Make a 4-4-4 out of it and you would have the ORIGINAL READING configuration of the now famous Atlantic. 4 wheels on the rear truck negatively affected tracking, so it became a 4-4-2, supposedly the Reading only had four of the locomotives on the roster. Jim "livin' on the PENNSY Main" Lyle **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50434	From: David Engle	Date: 10/7/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK

Does the old downtown depot in the City of Milwaukee, Wisk. count? ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: USE FOR CURVED TRACK OK, all you older guys out there. I'm watching "Strangers On A Train". This is the first time I've ever seen a train station with CURVED track. Anyone know of where there are others? Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50435	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK

Don't know. does it have curved track in the station platform area. If it does then it would. Mike In a message dated 10/7/2008 7:27:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, RIRocket@... writes: Does the old downtown depot in the City of Milwaukee, Wisk. count? ----- Original Message ----- From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: USE FOR CURVED TRACK OK, all you older guys out there. I'm watching "Strangers On A Train". This is the first time I've ever seen a train station with CURVED track. Anyone know of where there are others? Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 ************************<WBR>**New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at y Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (_http://local.http://lohttp://lochttp://local.<WBh_ (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50436	From: charlie and edith	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: Alco performance

Greetings! A question for the group .... Tom Barker, in his repair guide, suggested rewiring the diesel field with #26 guage wire to increase power and reduce heating in the motor. Has anyone done this and what were the results? Thanks for your thoughts! Charlie, in West Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50437	From: rj4010d	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: Alco performance

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote: > > Greetings! A question for the group .... Tom Barker, in his repair guide, suggested rewiring the diesel field with #26 guage wire to increase power and reduce heating in the motor. Has anyone done this and what were the results? Thanks for your thoughts! Charlie, in West Michigan > > Charlie, I have an Alco that one motor is oringinal & the other rewound with #26 wire. ( small motor version) Run it on club layout for 45 minutes or so & then give it the old cheek test. Rewound motor you can put against your cheek ,it's only warm, & the oringinal is TOO HOT TO Touch even against your finger!! Have a Geep that you can pull 12 to 15 flyer cars for as long as you want & does not get too hot. Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50438	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK

It seems like that I remember the tracks at the station in Alexandria, VA curving slightly around the station. I am sure somebody on this list would know for sure. - Earl Henry In a message dated 10/8/2008 6:11:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, anormal1@... writes: Don't know. does it have curved track in the station platform area. If it does then it would. Mike **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50439	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: 5 weeks to S Fest

Only 5 weeks until Fall S Fest!    Don't miss out on the largest gathering of "exclusively S" events in the country.   The 2008 Fall S Fest is November 14th through 16, 2008 and is hosted by the Badgerland S Gaugers and will be held in Milwaukee at the Wyndham Airport Hotel & Convention Center, located at 4747 S. Howell Avenue.  This hotel has easy access from both IH 94 and IH 43.  In addition it is right across the street from Milwaukee's General Mitchell field and close to the new "Airport" AMTRAK station.  There are free shuttles from the airport as well as the new Airport AMTRAK station.  Note:  you must call from the Airport AMTRAK to arrange for the shuttle. The hotel room rate is just $89, mention Fall S Fest when making a reservation.  Hurry, since this rate is only good through October 30, 2008.   Convention highlights include:  Clinics such as Basic TMCC, AF Repair, Tree making and a special Women's clinic among others.  Special S-Fest "Weber Beer Reefer" manufactured by S-Helper Service.  Several Home layout tours on both Thursday evening and Sunday.  Saturday evening banquet with Mr. Dave Myers, retired military locomotive engineer.  Train races, silent auction, model contest and a huge 14,000 square foot trading hall.   Sprecher Brewery and Iroquois boat tour.  Something for everyone.   Don't miss this fun filled event.   For more information, call: 262-574-1086 or visit our web site:  www.trainweb.org/bsg   See you in Milwaukee.   "S"incerely Steve Lunde 2008 S Fest Chairman     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50440	From: John	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK

If you stand back a ways to view, I think the tracks that run past the station in Toledo,Ohio have a long curve in them > ----- Original Message ----- > From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:35 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: USE FOR CURVED TRACK > > OK, all you older guys out there. I'm watching "Strangers On A Train". > This > is the first time I've ever seen a train station with CURVED track. > Anyone > know of where there are others? Mike > > Michael Strickland > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Or > 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50441	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: Alco performance

I had a conversation with Bob Hannon some time ago, and I believe that he said that 26ga. is the way to go. I take everything Bob says as gospel. Over the years, I've had several rewind/rebuilds done by him. His workmanship is A1, his guarantee is as good as Zippo's-lifetime. I had an off-topic Lionel Super Motor chassis repaired by him-new axle bushings, armature and field coil rewind, and a couple of gears changed out. Sounds expensive? No- $75 less than a re-pro chassis. The chassis was half of the #402 std. gauge engine. I vibro-tached both motors on the full range, and Bob's performed the same as it's mate. Plus, Bob's an all-round nice guy-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50442	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Stations that were on Curved Track

The NYC/LV passenger station in Niagara Falls NY, sometimes known as Suspension Bridge, was located on curved track, and faced Falls Street. This was necessary siince straight track would have run into the gorge at the base of the falls. Torn down cicra 1961. American Flyer was sold within easy walking distance of the station; the falls were just a bit further. Alan Udy Idaho Falls ID ____________________________________________________________ Click to get free info on remodeling your kitchen. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mXZMZaPb8Wc6Cpfg8HqTp05nTswuUMwJyKdap9QoJiwX5Pd/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50443	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK

Mike, Three stations come to mind York, England Blackstone, VA on the old N&W Harpers Ferry, West Va on the old B&O And that's all I can think of right off. Sam W. ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: USE FOR CURVED TRACK OK, all you older guys out there. I'm watching "Strangers On A Train". This is the first time I've ever seen a train station with CURVED track. Anyone know of where there are others? Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50444	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: 2 led flasher from Deals Dollar store for camp fire or cross bucks

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/648781057/pic/list I have posted picture of my WalMart 1930 gas station kit bashing picture photo plus pictures of $1 flashing unit and figures you can use. So you can build a 1930 gas station for under $15 and a Camp fire scene for $12 and get 8 extra figures, houses, cows, over wagons etc. Look for S Scale cross bucks at you craft store and use this circuit. I will use a tourtis switch motor and with that double pole fixed circuit power this flashing unit as the train passes though. It will go off when the motor is switched back. They sell a 4.5 volt transformer to power those Lexmark lighting accessories for Christmas Villages. That will work this unit. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50445	From: Trains	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK

Hi Kike, There are many, many railroads that had curved station platforms all over US and world. I have been on a few. One that comes to mind immediately is Glenwood Srings, CO DRGW/AMTrack ... it has a long gentle curving platforma and a great station. There are also crossings and diverging/converging tracks as part of stations and station platforms... Some are more common in NE part of US due to higher track density and space limitations and connection of various RR's at a station. Ther are many photo's in Trains Mag and historical calanders/societies etc. What ever you can deram up, probably has been done on areal RR somewhere. Peter L. in OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50446	From: Paul Limone	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK

The station platforms at New London CT are on curved track AMTRAK - New Haven line to Boston On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:35 PM, <anormal1@...> wrote: > OK, all you older guys out there. I'm watching "Strangers On A Train". > This > is the first time I've ever seen a train station with CURVED track. Anyone > know of where there are others? Mike > > Michael Strickland > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Or > 97501 > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50447	From: John McAlonan	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK

The LV station in Mauch Chunk, PA (now Jim Thorpe) was built on a wide sweeping curve. I have some photos if you're interested. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50448	From: Trains	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK

MIKE, sory about mis-typing your first name....PL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50449	From: Trains	Date: 10/8/2008
Subject: Re: promotion of S / S-Scale@yahoo

My opinion: One of the best ways TO PROMOTE S, is to have a working S display with a section devoted to promotion of S magazines, suppliers/manufacturers with explanitory handouts/contact info/where to buy info and a source(s) to answer questions at any RR oriented event, and during hollidays at bank lobbies, malls, etc. To have a scale only orientation is just as counterproductive as having an AF only attitude. S is an amalgum of all kinds of preferences and thus one of the "attractions" to S is the abbility to have choices. There are many "draws" to S, one is a large selection of RTR equipment (Locos, track, cars etc), which most people are totaly unaware of. This has never been about AF, it's about awareness of what is available. The coolest aspect of RTR that is available, is that any and everybody can have what they want, in any variation or shade of nuance. Thank God for AM, SHS, DPH and some others. Some of the finest layouts I have seen are S, both scale and AF. I have also been privledged to see some of the finest in G, O, HO and N. They all have something to contribute. The Wonder of S is that it can ENCOMPASE all of the "qualities" and "advantages" of other scales. The Wonder of S is that you can utilize N, HO, O and even some G scale items into an S layout ( I and others have done this). The Wonder of S is that you can have whatever you want and enjoy it now, from track on the floor running around in circles to superbly detailed realistic modeling. The Wonder of S is that it promotes idividuality, plurality of ideas and expressions of creativity and that anyone, no matter skill level or personal bent, can have fun playn' with trains. I have always strived to promote S (regardless of whether AF purrist or a P=64 scale enthusiast and everything inbetween) when I go to train shows or at holiday exibits, at my own expense, I have promoted ALL interests of S through displays, sales and service and in some cases a working layout, with info, handouts, copies of magazines, etc. What are all of us doing to promote S in our areas? Here is what I am doing right now: I have undertaken an S promotion effort on the internet, as have others, to offer help, info, how-to's, S layouts, references and items of interest and links to S resources. It is time consuming, but rewarding, it is open to anyone's contributions, and it does not discriminate against any S interests/preferances. You want to support and grow S...this may be one of the methods that will be helpfull. Take a look and see if it is something you want to do for yourself, or help me improve and expand site, or just enjoy looking....give me some feedback, or if you have some nifty ways to fix, adapt, repair, modify or improve any S item. I am open to your suggestions. CONTACT OFF LIST AT: drktrains@... for S web site. Comming soon will be items for sale section ...have to work out method of listing stuff (my items at first), then if that works, may list others S and RR related items. Web site: www.Trains-4-U.com and S coupler info site: www.S-cplrhd.blogspot.com For S manufacturers, importers, suppliers, hobby shops, S info sites and S layouts: I am requesting you to link to my site, I have already linked to some of you, and will include a reciprocal link for those who link to my site. Contact me for any info at: drktrains@... , contact me off list, if you wish to talk by phone, send me time to call and number and I will be glad to call you (I am on Pacific Coast). Thanks to all who have already responded and those that have cross linked sites, and to those of you who wish to respond. S-Gaugingly, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) in southern OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50450	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK

Please, My family lived in J Thorpe.... In a message dated 10/8/2008 7:02:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, macflyer@... writes: The LV station in Mauch Chunk, PA (now Jim Thorpe) was built on a wide sweeping curve. I have some photos if you're interested. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50451	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: USE FOR CURVED TRACK

Not To Worry. Are you getting ready for the weekend after Bird Day? Mike In a message dated 10/8/2008 7:02:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rr4u@... writes: MIKE, sory about mis-typing your first name....PL [

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50452	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: promotion of S / S-Scale@yahoo

My Opinion: Model Railroad News ( out of Merlin, Or) fits this to a T In a message dated 10/8/2008 7:02:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rr4u@... writes: My opinion: One of the best ways TO PROMOTE S, is to have a working S display with a section devoted to promotion of S magazines, suppliers/manufactuOne of the best ways TO PROMOTE S, is to have a working S display with a section devoted to promotion of S magazines, suppliers/manufactu<WBR>rers with explanitory handouts/ To have a scale only orientation is just as counterproductive as having an AF only attitude. S is an amalgum of all kinds of preferences and thus one of the "attractions" to S is the abbility to have choices. There are many "draws" to S, one is a large selection of RTR equipment (Locos, track, cars etc), which most people are totaly unaware of. This has never been about AF, it's about awareness of what is available. The coolest aspect of RTR that is available, is that any and everybody can have what they want, in any variation or shade of nuance. Thank God for AM, SHS, DPH and some others. Some of the finest layouts I have seen are S, both scale and AF. I have also been privledged to see some of the finest in G, O, HO and N. They all have something to contribute. The Wonder of S is that it can ENCOMPASE all of the "qualities" and "advantages" of other scales. The Wonder of S is that you can utilize N, HO, O and even some G scale items into an S layout ( I and others have done this). The Wonder of S is that you can have whatever you want and enjoy it now, from track on the floor running around in circles to superbly detailed realistic modeling. The Wonder of S is that it promotes idividuality, plurality of ideas and expressions of creativity and that anyone, no matter skill level or personal bent, can have fun playn' with trains. I have always strived to promote S (regardless of whether AF purrist or a P=64 scale enthusiast and everything inbetween) when I go to train shows or at holiday exibits, at my own expense, I have promoted ALL interests of S through displays, sales and service and in some cases a working layout, with info, handouts, copies of magazines, etc. What are all of us doing to promote S in our areas? Here is what I am doing right now: I have undertaken an S promotion effort on the internet, as have others, to offer help, info, how-to's, S layouts, references and items of interest and links to S resources. It is time consuming, but rewarding, it is open to anyone's contributions, and it does not discriminate against any S interests/preferancI have undertaken an S promotion effort on the internet, as have others, to offer help, inf Take a look and see if it is something you want to do for yourself, or help me improve and expand site, or just enjoy looking....give me some feedback, or if you have some nifty ways to fix, adapt, repair, modify or improve any S item. I am open to your suggestions. CONTACT OFF LIST AT: _drktrains@..._ (mailto:drktrains@...) for S web site. Comming soon will be items for sale section ...have to work out method of listing stuff (my items at first), then if that works, may list others S and RR related items. Web site: www.Trains-4-Web site: www.Trains-4-<WBR>U.com and S coupWeb site:Web For S manufacturers, importers, suppliers, hobby shops, S info sites and S layouts: I am requesting you to link to my site, I have already linked to some of you, and will include a reciprocal link for those who link to my site. Contact me for any info at: _drktrains@..._ (mailto:drktrains@...) , contact me off list, if you wish to talk by phone, send me time to call and number and I will be glad to call you (I am on Pacific Coast). Thanks to all who have already responded and those that have cross linked sites, and to those of you who wish to respond. S-Gaugingly, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) in southern OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50453	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: snow

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50454	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: promotion of S / S-Scale@yahoo

I watched the RFD Channel very late last night. They had a program on O scale model railroading. If we could get similar coverage for some of our finer layouts it would surely help. Seems that I remember something on model railroading on the educational channel as well. While these huge and highly detailed empires look great, I would think that they are in the minority (regarless of scale). Yet, these seem to be what all of us dream of. Has anyone contacted these people? bigfoot ----- Original Message ----- From: Trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: promotion of S / S-Scale@yahoo My opinion: One of the best ways TO PROMOTE S, is to have a working S display with a section devoted to promotion of S magazines, suppliers/manufacturers with explanitory handouts/contact info/where to buy info and a source(s) to answer questions at any RR oriented event, and during hollidays at bank lobbies, malls, etc. To have a scale only orientation is just as counterproductive as having an AF only attitude. S is an amalgum of all kinds of preferences and thus one of the "attractions" to S is the abbility to have choices. There are many "draws" to S, one is a large selection of RTR equipment (Locos, track, cars etc), which most people are totaly unaware of. This has never been about AF, it's about awareness of what is available. The coolest aspect of RTR that is available, is that any and everybody can have what they want, in any variation or shade of nuance. Thank God for AM, SHS, DPH and some others. Some of the finest layouts I have seen are S, both scale and AF. I have also been privledged to see some of the finest in G, O, HO and N. They all have something to contribute. The Wonder of S is that it can ENCOMPASE all of the "qualities" and "advantages" of other scales. The Wonder of S is that you can utilize N, HO, O and even some G scale items into an S layout ( I and others have done this). The Wonder of S is that you can have whatever you want and enjoy it now, from track on the floor running around in circles to superbly detailed realistic modeling. The Wonder of S is that it promotes idividuality, plurality of ideas and expressions of creativity and that anyone, no matter skill level or personal bent, can have fun playn' with trains. I have always strived to promote S (regardless of whether AF purrist or a P=64 scale enthusiast and everything inbetween) when I go to train shows or at holiday exibits, at my own expense, I have promoted ALL interests of S through displays, sales and service and in some cases a working layout, with info, handouts, copies of magazines, etc. What are all of us doing to promote S in our areas? Here is what I am doing right now: I have undertaken an S promotion effort on the internet, as have others, to offer help, info, how-to's, S layouts, references and items of interest and links to S resources. It is time consuming, but rewarding, it is open to anyone's contributions, and it does not discriminate against any S interests/preferances. You want to support and grow S...this may be one of the methods that will be helpfull. Take a look and see if it is something you want to do for yourself, or help me improve and expand site, or just enjoy looking....give me some feedback, or if you have some nifty ways to fix, adapt, repair, modify or improve any S item. I am open to your suggestions. CONTACT OFF LIST AT: drktrains@... for S web site. Comming soon will be items for sale section ...have to work out method of listing stuff (my items at first), then if that works, may list others S and RR related items. Web site: www.Trains-4-U.com and S coupler info site: www.S-cplrhd.blogspot.com For S manufacturers, importers, suppliers, hobby shops, S info sites and S layouts: I am requesting you to link to my site, I have already linked to some of you, and will include a reciprocal link for those who link to my site. Contact me for any info at: drktrains@... , contact me off list, if you wish to talk by phone, send me time to call and number and I will be glad to call you (I am on Pacific Coast). Thanks to all who have already responded and those that have cross linked sites, and to those of you who wish to respond. S-Gaugingly, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) in southern OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50455	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: Having a Bad Day....

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50456	From: william cole	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: promotion of S / S-Scale@yahoo

There is usually an American Flyer layout at the Great Scale Train meet in Timonium, mD this coming weekend...any scale guys attend this show? would love to meet up with you all... � also the "how it's made series" (produced in Canada) did part of a show on Weaver (O Scale manufacturer). Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50457	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: startes sets

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50458	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: snow

Has anyone seen/used the new snow blankets that are at Rite Aid, etc.? They are fiber-optically backlit. Box illustration seems to indicate that they'd make a warm glow which I'll bet would make a cute Christmas layout, toy trains & ceramic buildings would be ideal-at least fer me-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50459	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

CDS Lettering may have some. they are in Canada. But I think they have an e-mail address. want their snail mail address? Neopan in Ontario. Neopan may be mispelling ____________________________________________________________ Visa, MasterCard, AMEX & Discover. Compare Offers & Apply Online. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2HXnwT4Xywm2HVKdfn2QcBsfB7tspjrSXkyEA4ECEGRMHx/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50460	From: Trains	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: New additions and updates to Coupler info

Hi everyone, just finished another update of my web site and S-Coupler web/blog site. "New" ideas on simplified coupler mounting and a How -To segment on Modifying Kadee 802 to elliminate back and forth (accordian) spring lash. Check at www.Trains-4-U.com and www.S-cplrhed.blogspot.com I welcome your feedback and contributions (credit/attribution given) Thanks, S gaugingly yours, Peter L. in OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50461	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/9/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50462	From: William Porter	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer

There is a category on eBay for O-scale, American Flyer trains. Some are small caricatures in tinplate, some are medium-sized and close to S-scale on O-gauge track and some are really O-scale. Many of the small and mid-sized passenger cars are very similar in appearance. Only when next to each other is it easy to see the difference in size. For example, look at the small 1107 and the mid-size 1103. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n9guy@... Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] O Flyer WOULD LIKE TO FIND SOME "o" fLYER

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50463	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer

Do you mean the early Chicago stuff (pre 1938) or the Gilbert 3/16" scale items from 1939-46? If the latter, I plan to sell some. What specifically are you looking for? High-grade collectibles, or runners? I'm keeping my best items, so nearly everything would be operator grade - and some repainting projects. I do have more heavyweight passenger cars (521/524) than I can use, both green and Tuscan, but they will NOT be cheap ($200 each, minimum). Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50464	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: Re: Alco performance

The best written sources of information for Flyer train repairs are Barker's book, Hannon's book, the K-line book for diagrams and P/N's, and Roundhouse articles by the late great Tom Jarcho (not to mention his posts on this forum). All the rest, including my posts, are rehash.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50465	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: ALCO performance -- IMPROVED!

I asked for help a couple weeks ago because my single motor AF Comet was such a slow runner. I had a couple hours this afternoon so thought I would go back through the motor with a fresh set of eyes and patience. I was even considering trying rewinding the armature with the 26 ga. wire. One thing (actually two) did come to mind. When I rebuilt the motor back in July, I had to fashion some thrust plates out of some plastic stock. They appeared to fit fine. Out of curiosity, I replaced my home-made ones with some I ordered from Doug at Port Lines. I put some power to it, and the difference was immediately noticeable. Even though my eye could barely detect a difference in thickness (in the thousandths), there definitely IS a difference. Apparently, the "to and fro thrust" movement of the drive shaft was not allowing the worm gear to be positioned exactly over the wheel drive gear, causing some drag. Though I still wouldn't call this old Comet a "flyer" yet, the performance is much, much better now. It pulls the standard three passenger car train with ease at a very acceptable speed. Thanks for all your responses, suggestions and encouragement. And, yes, the hip fracture is better. I walk like a Weeble-Wobble person, but now I can at least get down my basement stairs to play with and work on my trains. That's definitely the best medicine!! Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50466	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: Re: startes sets

In a message dated 10/9/2008 12:47:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, n9guy@... writes: What is available? with track and transformer? I have 2 SHS starter sets, with diesel engine, 3 cars, caboose, 40" X60" oval of track, DC power pak; one with PRR switcher, one with ICG switcher. List 299.00, sell for 279. plus shipping and PA Tax if appropriate. This is the same type set that runs (for HOURS at a time) on our PVMR portable 4 X 7 layout. Jim "livin' on the Pennsy Main" Lyle **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50467	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: Re: ALCO performance -- IMPROVED!

Jim, It is a wonderful world of American Flyer. The slightest thing can make a big difference in the way these things run. I have an embarrassing story to share with the group, that will illustrate this. I have had about 8 engines that I have been working on for 2 members of our S Train Club. These consisted of 5 steamers and 3 diesels. I converted 2 SIT's to cylinder smokers from the bellows, and had all the engines running adequately, but not great. They just did not have that top speed that a good running engine should have. I took one of the engines down 3 times and tried to find the problem, no luck. Out of pure experimentation, on Wednesday night I tried a different transformer. You guessed it, they ran fine. I had been using a 17B for the past 3-4 weeks to test with, in order to have the voltage and ammeter. The voltage meter indicated it was producing 12-15 volts, but it wasn't. I had been testing engines, for this length of time, with a transformer that was not functioning properly. I did get a bunch of practice in, tearing down and putting engines back together. Moral of the story, expect the unexpected, when working on these puppies. Keep 'em running for another 50 years. Larry moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:26:00 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] ALCO performance -- IMPROVED! I asked for help a couple weeks ago because my single motor AF Comet was such a slow runner.I had a couple hours this afternoon so thought I would go back through the motor with a fresh set of eyes and patience. I was even considering trying rewinding the armature with the 26 ga. wire. One thing (actually two) did come to mind. When I rebuilt the motor back in July, I had to fashion some thrust plates out of some plastic stock. They appeared to fit fine. Out of curiosity, I replaced my home-made ones with some I ordered from Doug at Port Lines. I put some power to it, and the difference was immediately noticeable. Even though my eye could barely detect a difference in thickness (in the thousandths), there definitely IS a difference. Apparently, the "to and fro thrust" movement of the drive shaft was not allowing the worm gear to be positioned exactly over the wheel drive gear, causing some drag. Though I still wouldn't call this old Comet a "flyer" yet, the performance is much, much better now. It pulls the standard three passenger car train with ease at a very acceptable speed.Thanks for all your responses, suggestions and encouragement. And, yes, the hip fracture is better. I walk like a Weeble-Wobble person, but now I can at least get down my basement stairs to play with and work on my trains. That's definitely the best medicine!!Jim E. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50468	From: charlie and edith	Date: 10/10/2008
Subject: Re: Alco Performance, field rewinding

Gsreetings! Thanks to all for your input on the outcome of rewinding fields. Having found the correct wire, any tips on the rewinding process? Thanks for your thoughts, Charlie in West Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50469	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder

Toy Trains Unlimited located at 28 York St. Hanover, Pa. 17331, (1-717-637-4717) will be having an open house at 2 p.m. on Wednesday, October 15, 2008, in conjunction with the York TCA meet. Toy Trains is located about 20 minutes from York. (Take Rt. 30 towards Gettysburg exit, look for 116 west, this eventually becomes York St.) The Open House will consist of food and drink, and a room filled with American Flyer trains and accessories also a second room filled with postwar Lionel. Also there will be some rare American Flyer items and prototypes on display. Please tell all of your friends about this great get-together and come and join other American Flyer enthusiasts for food, drink and great conversation. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50470	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: ALCO performance -- IMPROVED!

Larry: You get an amen from this guy. I usually bench test things with a 25 Watt Marx Transformer. I use it because of its small footprint. Last time I used it I was testing a AF oil drum loader I got off of Ebay. I connected it and nothing happenned. The first law of auctions is caveat emptor (let the buyer beware). I thought about it for awhile and then dug up one of my AF 50 watts. When I connected it, it tried to move but it seemed bound up, so I shifted from a electrical problem to a mechanical one. There lied the problem in the transfer case. It's amazing what a little lube can do after 50 years. I've moved all my testing to the 50 Watt now. Regards Bob Moyer -------------- Original message from Larry Moore <mo2337@...>: -------------- Jim, It is a wonderful world of American Flyer. The slightest thing can make a big difference in the way these things run. I have an embarrassing story to share with the group, that will illustrate this. I have had about 8 engines that I have been working on for 2 members of our S Train Club. These consisted of 5 steamers and 3 diesels. I converted 2 SIT's to cylinder smokers from the bellows, and had all the engines running adequately, but not great. They just did not have that top speed that a good running engine should have. I took one of the engines down 3 times and tried to find the problem, no luck. Out of pure experimentation, on Wednesday night I tried a different transformer. You guessed it, they ran fine. I had been using a 17B for the past 3-4 weeks to test with, in order to have the voltage and ammeter. The voltage meter indicated it was producing 12-15 volts, but it wasn't. I had been testing engines, for this length of time, with a transformer that was not functioning properly. I did get a bunch of practice in, tearing down and putting engines back together. Moral of the story, expect the unexpected, when working on these puppies. Keep 'em running for another 50 years. Larry moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:26:00 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] ALCO performance -- IMPROVED! I asked for help a couple weeks ago because my single motor AF Comet was such a slow runner.I had a couple hours this afternoon so thought I would go back through the motor with a fresh set of eyes and patience. I was even considering trying rewinding the armature with the 26 ga. wire. One thing (actually two) did come to mind. When I rebuilt the motor back in July, I had to fashion some thrust plates out of some plastic stock. They appeared to fit fine. Out of curiosity, I replaced my home-made ones with some I ordered from Doug at Port Lines. I put some power to it, and the difference was immediately noticeable. Even though my eye could barely detect a difference in thickness (in the thousandths), there definitely IS a difference. Apparently, the "to and fro thrust" movement of the drive shaft was not allowing the worm gear to be positioned exactly over the wheel drive gear, causing some drag. Though I still wouldn't call this old Comet a "flyer" yet, the performance is much, much better now. It pulls the standard three passenger car train with ease at a very acceptable speed.Thanks for all your responses, suggestions and encouragement. And, yes, the hip fracture is better. I walk like a Weeble-Wobble person, but now I can at least get down my basement stairs to play with and work on my trains. That's definitely the best medicine!!Jim E. __________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50471	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: ALCO performance -- IMPROVED!

I am doing a little reading to get up to speed on this. Can you tell me what the Volt, and Amp draw with the four passenger cars on your Comet would be? The book tells us 12 Volts 2 Amps running around 180" ovel track. The comet should run 9 times around or 9 R.P.M. Are you still not up to the books speed of the book? That is minimum it should do, and it could go faster. Clayton S.D. --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> wrote: > From: Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] ALCO performance -- IMPROVED! > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 2:26 PM > I asked for help a couple weeks ago because my single motor > AF Comet was such a slow > runner. > > I had a couple hours this afternoon so thought I would go > back through the motor with a > fresh set of eyes and patience. I was even considering > trying rewinding the armature with > the 26 ga. wire. One thing (actually two) did come to > mind. When I rebuilt the motor back > in July, I had to fashion some thrust plates out of some > plastic stock. They appeared to fit > fine. Out of curiosity, I replaced my home-made ones with > some I ordered from Doug at > Port Lines. I put some power to it, and the difference was > immediately noticeable. Even > though my eye could barely detect a difference in thickness > (in the thousandths), there > definitely IS a difference. Apparently, the "to and > fro thrust" movement of the drive shaft > was not allowing the worm gear to be positioned exactly > over the wheel drive gear, > causing some drag. > > Though I still wouldn't call this old Comet a > "flyer" yet, the performance is much, much > better now. It pulls the standard three passenger car > train with ease at a very acceptable > speed. > > Thanks for all your responses, suggestions and > encouragement. And, yes, the hip fracture > is better. I walk like a Weeble-Wobble person, but now I > can at least get down my > basement stairs to play with and work on my trains. > That's definitely the best medicine!! > > Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50472	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder

Hello. Is this the same Toy Trains Unlimited, owned by Charlie Pohlman back in the 70's? I bought a bunch of Flyer S from Charlie back in '76 on a trip I made to Philadelphia from Florida, and continued to buy from him while living in Florida at the time. Regards, Bruce DeGailler, Sr. TCA 81-16572 ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder Toy Trains Unlimited located at 28 York St. Hanover, Pa. 17331, (1-717-637-4717) will be having an open house at 2 p.m. on Wednesday, October 15, 2008, in conjunction with the York TCA meet. Toy Trains is located about 20 minutes from York. (Take Rt. 30 towards Gettysburg exit, look for 116 west, this eventually becomes York St.) The Open House will consist of food and drink, and a room filled with American Flyer trains and accessories also a second room filled with postwar Lionel. Also there will be some rare American Flyer items and prototypes on display. Please tell all of your friends about this great get-together and come and join other American Flyer enthusiasts for food, drink and great conversation. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50473	From: barb	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Snow

Hi Group, If your going to use soap powder for snow, make sure your train room is humidity controlled and no water can ever get on the soap. Otherwise you'll be taking a bubble bath with your trains. Personally I use baking soda on the landscape and on the houses. I use Woodland Scenic snow on my mountain trees. The baking soda is perfect and keeps any critters away. Plus it just never disappears. So here's the process. If you want a snow buildup as on a roof, use a small paint brush and run a line of Woodland Scenic Cement along the edge of the roof. Before it dries, using a very small sifter of tea strainer with baking soda in it, tap the side of it with your hand as you pretend you are a cloud going over the area to be snowed upon. Voila!!! It just snowed. I have, in 3 years never had to refresh the snow (baking soda). Barb Re: snow Posted by: "n9guy@..." n9guy@... miken9guy Thu Oct 9, 2008 10:23 am (PDT) soap powder, tide, etc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50474	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder

No Charles was Robbed and Murdered several years ago in his store. He was one of the Nicest Guys you could ever meet. I don't think they ever found the thiefs. Bob -------------- Original message from "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...>: -------------- Hello. Is this the same Toy Trains Unlimited, owned by Charlie Pohlman back in the 70's? I bought a bunch of Flyer S from Charlie back in '76 on a trip I made to Philadelphia from Florida, and continued to buy from him while living in Florida at the time. Regards, Bruce DeGailler, Sr. TCA 81-16572 ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder Toy Trains Unlimited located at 28 York St. Hanover, Pa. 17331, (1-717-637-4717) will be having an open house at 2 p.m. on Wednesday, October 15, 2008, in conjunction with the York TCA meet. Toy Trains is located about 20 minutes from York. (Take Rt. 30 towards Gettysburg exit, look for 116 west, this eventually becomes York St.) The Open House will consist of food and drink, and a room filled with American Flyer trains and accessories also a second room filled with postwar Lionel. Also there will be some rare American Flyer items and prototypes on display. Please tell all of your friends about this great get-together and come and join other American Flyer enthusiasts for food, drink and great conversation. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50475	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: Snow

Leave it to BARB to give us a SNOW JOB!!!!!!!!! I couldn't resist!!!!!!! Ha Ha Ha... Bob -------------- Original message from barb <rcespeak@...>: -------------- Hi Group, If your going to use soap powder for snow, make sure your train room is humidity controlled and no water can ever get on the soap. Otherwise you'll be taking a bubble bath with your trains. Personally I use baking soda on the landscape and on the houses. I use Woodland Scenic snow on my mountain trees. The baking soda is perfect and keeps any critters away. Plus it just never disappears. So here's the process. If you want a snow buildup as on a roof, use a small paint brush and run a line of Woodland Scenic Cement along the edge of the roof. Before it dries, using a very small sifter of tea strainer with baking soda in it, tap the side of it with your hand as you pretend you are a cloud going over the area to be snowed upon. Voila!!! It just snowed. I have, in 3 years never had to refresh the snow (baking soda). Barb Re: snow Posted by: "n9guy@..." n9guy@... miken9guy Thu Oct 9, 2008 10:23 am (PDT) soap powder, tide, etc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50476	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: ALCO performance -- IMPROVED!

Good point. I have no idea of the time per lap. Guess I'll need to measure my track, etc. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> > I am doing a little reading to get up to speed on this. Can you tell me what > the Volt, and Amp draw with the four passenger cars on your Comet would be? The > book tells us 12 Volts 2 Amps running around 180" ovel track. The comet should > run 9 times around or 9 R.P.M. Are you still not up to the books speed of the > book? That is minimum it should do, and it could go faster. > > Clayton S.D. > > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > > From: Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] ALCO performance -- IMPROVED! > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 2:26 PM > > I asked for help a couple weeks ago because my single motor > > AF Comet was such a slow > > runner. > > > > I had a couple hours this afternoon so thought I would go > > back through the motor with a > > fresh set of eyes and patience. I was even considering > > trying rewinding the armature with > > the 26 ga. wire. One thing (actually two) did come to > > mind. When I rebuilt the motor back > > in July, I had to fashion some thrust plates out of some > > plastic stock. They appeared to fit > > fine. Out of curiosity, I replaced my home-made ones with > > some I ordered from Doug at > > Port Lines. I put some power to it, and the difference was > > immediately noticeable. Even > > though my eye could barely detect a difference in thickness > > (in the thousandths), there > > definitely IS a difference. Apparently, the "to and > > fro thrust" movement of the drive shaft > > was not allowing the worm gear to be positioned exactly > > over the wheel drive gear, > > causing some drag. > > > > Though I still wouldn't call this old Comet a > > "flyer" yet, the performance is much, much > > better now. It pulls the standard three passenger car > > train with ease at a very acceptable > > speed. > > > > Thanks for all your responses, suggestions and > > encouragement. And, yes, the hip fracture > > is better. I walk like a Weeble-Wobble person, but now I > > can at least get down my > > basement stairs to play with and work on my trains. > > That's definitely the best medicine!! > > > > Jim E. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50477	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: ALCO performance -- IMPROVED!

Hi Jim, Well then keep me posted I would like to here back from you on that one. I may need do all that to fined out if the train is in tip top shape. I gess they put it in there for some reason. Hee Hee Hee Clayton --- On Sat, 10/11/08, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: > From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ALCO performance -- IMPROVED! > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 2:08 PM > Good point. I have no idea of the time per lap. Guess > I'll need to measure my track, etc. > Jim E. > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> > > I am doing a little reading to get up to speed on > this. Can you tell me what > > the Volt, and Amp draw with the four passenger cars on > your Comet would be? The > > book tells us 12 Volts 2 Amps running around 180" > ovel track. The comet should > > run 9 times around or 9 R.P.M. Are you still not up to > the books speed of the > > book? That is minimum it should do, and it could go > faster. > > > > Clayton S.D. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Jim Ensign > <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > > > > From: Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] ALCO performance -- IMPROVED! > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 2:26 PM > > > I asked for help a couple weeks ago because my > single motor > > > AF Comet was such a slow > > > runner. > > > > > > I had a couple hours this afternoon so thought I > would go > > > back through the motor with a > > > fresh set of eyes and patience. I was even > considering > > > trying rewinding the armature with > > > the 26 ga. wire. One thing (actually two) did > come to > > > mind. When I rebuilt the motor back > > > in July, I had to fashion some thrust plates out > of some > > > plastic stock. They appeared to fit > > > fine. Out of curiosity, I replaced my home-made > ones with > > > some I ordered from Doug at > > > Port Lines. I put some power to it, and the > difference was > > > immediately noticeable. Even > > > though my eye could barely detect a difference in > thickness > > > (in the thousandths), there > > > definitely IS a difference. Apparently, the > "to and > > > fro thrust" movement of the drive shaft > > > was not allowing the worm gear to be positioned > exactly > > > over the wheel drive gear, > > > causing some drag. > > > > > > Though I still wouldn't call this old Comet a > > > "flyer" yet, the performance is much, > much > > > better now. It pulls the standard three > passenger car > > > train with ease at a very acceptable > > > speed. > > > > > > Thanks for all your responses, suggestions and > > > encouragement. And, yes, the hip fracture > > > is better. I walk like a Weeble-Wobble person, > but now I > > > can at least get down my > > > basement stairs to play with and work on my > trains. > > > That's definitely the best medicine!! > > > > > > Jim E. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50478	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/12/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 12, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50479	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: For sale: #35 set of three Brakemen with lanterns

#35 set of three Brakemen with lanterns made from 1950 to 1952.  The box is a mess, but the picture looks like the Brakemen have never been removed.   This is from the big collection I'm helping a lady sell.  I can ask her for better pictures if you like.   Greenberg lists a book value of $170 in C-8 condition.  I don't know how to estimate the book value in this condition, but I figure that it's worth around $140 because they're hard to find and always sell at a prime price.  Do you think that's right?  If you're interested, make me an offer; that's not a firm price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50480	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: NTTM Parking & Shuttle info

Wednesday is OPEN HOUSE at the National Toy Train Museum (NTTM) in Strasburg, PA. ALL TCA members are invited as well as the public at large to this Semi-Annual event. TCA, with the help of some of our friends provide PLENTY of FREE PARKING on 5 lots. Shuttle Service will pick you up at the STRASBURG RAILROAD, (lower dirveway near J Tower), CHOO CHOO BARN on the sidewalk, and the RAILROAD MUSEUM OF PA (RRMPA) east lot near the stairs. Park and walk from the trackside parking at the RED CABOOSE MOTEL. NTTM's Parking Crew will assist at Red Caboose and the NTTM lot. I suggest parking in one of the mentioned lots and riding in on the Shuttle, as many of the NTTM spaces have to be reserved for vendors and other services. Handicap Parking is at a premium, we do have more than required; suggest dropping off passengers and parking in shuttle lot and riding in. Breakfast can be found at the RED CABOOSE Restaurant, lunch can be found at Red Caboose, Isaac's at CHOO-CHOO BARN and the Dining Car Restaurant at the Railroad. Feel free to ride the shuttle to any of these locations. Weather looks to be good, maybe cool as I write this, also gasoline in the Gap to Rockvale area ( US Rt 30 ) is currently at 2.99 or below per gallon. Jim Lyle, NTTM Parking Crew **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50481	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder

That is indeed sad news. Without question, he was a gentleman. I remember his ads in the S Gaugian back in the day. If I remember correctly, his ads said he was closed on Mondays, but would open by appointment. I happened to be in Philadelphia on a Monday morning and made arrangements the Friday previous to meet him at his store. He opened it just for me and I spent a good 4 hours (to my young wife's dismay) talking to him, learning from him, etc. This is in the early days of my collecting and I was amazed to see a store full of Flyer, and nice stuff too. I bought a 342 AC, an Oil Drum loader, a water tower, a 30B transformer, several nice box cars in the 980s, all in their OBs, all in EX or better condition, and all for around $250. (This was in 1976). Charlie (that's what he told me to call him) was very gracious with his time and lived for York. Everything he sold was either EX or better. He was a prolific "under-grader" and I was never unsatisfied with his stuff. I remember I order a 24076 from him via the mail, but it turns out he didn't have it in stock after all. He felt so bad about that, he sent me a LN 994 as a replacement as a consolation. I didn't ask him for it, he just sent it to me with apologies! Well, we all know that the 994 is a lot harder to locate than a 24076, but that's the kind of guy he was. My collecting went into hiatus from 1981 to about the early 2000s due to my rejoining the Navy to finish my career. Well, all I've got to say is the train collecting world lost a true and honest gentleman. I'll miss him very much. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: rcon7@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder No Charles was Robbed and Murdered several years ago in his store. He was one of the Nicest Guys you could ever meet. I don't think they ever found the thiefs. Bob -------------- Original message from "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...>: -------------- Hello. Is this the same Toy Trains Unlimited, owned by Charlie Pohlman back in the 70's? I bought a bunch of Flyer S from Charlie back in '76 on a trip I made to Philadelphia from Florida, and continued to buy from him while living in Florida at the time. Regards, Bruce DeGailler, Sr. TCA 81-16572 ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder Toy Trains Unlimited located at 28 York St. Hanover, Pa. 17331, (1-717-637-4717) will be having an open house at 2 p.m. on Wednesday, October 15, 2008, in conjunction with the York TCA meet. Toy Trains is located about 20 minutes from York. (Take Rt. 30 towards Gettysburg exit, look for 116 west, this eventually becomes York St.) The Open House will consist of food and drink, and a room filled with American Flyer trains and accessories also a second room filled with postwar Lionel. Also there will be some rare American Flyer items and prototypes on display. Please tell all of your friends about this great get-together and come and join other American Flyer enthusiasts for food, drink and great conversation. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50482	From: G C	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder

Ron Borsella purchased Toy Trains Unlimited prior to Charlies death. Charlie was to stay on and help the new owner get things going, but he was killed. If I'm remembering correctly, this remains the only unsolved murder in Hanover, PA. I never knew Charlie, but I have spoken to those who did.   Gene Cimino (Now living in Hanover, PA - "Snack Food Capitol of North America") [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50483	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Toy Trains Unlimited

Ron Borsella was very close to Charlie. After Charlie's death he vowed to reopen the shop and keep the name alive in honor of him. I would visit Charlie every other week and have coffee & pie and talk trains. This went on for many years. Collectors all over the country knew him. I remember one day I was sitting in his shop looking at a 58 Mo Pac set that he had just gotten in when a guy from CA calls up. Charlie yells over to me, " You going to buy that set?" At the time I did I did'nt have the money so I told him no. So the set went to Dennis Bagby in CA. We all miss him very much! Harwood **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50484	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder

The same, but new owner. Ron Borsella. Come on buy. We have a lot of fun just sitting around talking about Flyer. Harwood **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50485	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: York Weather Forecast (First edition)

Looks to be a generally good week weatherwise, according to WGAL Channel 8's "Storm Team". Close to 80 on Monday, 70's on Tuesday, Wednsday 60's, temps dropping some more each day. Showers possible Wed evening/Thursday morning ( or not). Wednesday will be a BEAUTIFUL DAY in Strasburg and environs as TCA opens the National Toy Train Museum for the Semi-Annual OPEN HOUSE. Come on to NTTM, use one our "Shuttle Lots" and ride in to "visit a spell", I'm sure you'll enjoy NTTM. Jim " see you at NTTM" Lyle **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50486	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant SHS commercialism - This week at SHS 12 October 2008

This week at SHS�.. On Thursday our latest shipment was picked up at the container freight station. We received the following new open top hoppers; Waddell (sold out, but we are taking advanced orders for the next run), C&I bicentennial scheme (both the current 50 star and 13 star flag version, PRR Buy War Bonds, C&O (two new numbers) and 4 numbers of the Buffalo Creek & Gauley were on the shipment. Two of the new USRA rebuilt as 2 bay covered hoppers , 4 numbers of the Central Railroad of New Jersey & two numbers of the Nickel Plate Line were also onboard as well as restocking of asst. trucks, track and other parts . Links for some of these items can be found at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRAHoppers/usrahoppers_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/OffsetHoppers/offsethoppers_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRACovered/usraCoveredHoppers_in_stock.html Our next container is due in 10 days and will include our popular S Gauge Train Set gift boxes that have been out of stock for some time now. The ART-5400 power packs we include with these entry level train sets will not make it before Christmas and are due in January. A shipment is due to leave this week including more of the USRA rebuilt covered hoppers. The roads that will be leaving are the B&O, NYC, D&H and Reading . The 2008 Christmas car will be ready next month and we expect these in early December. Guy Gola, our graphic artist who has been designing our catalog since 2000 was at the warehouse yesterday setting up the 2009 catalog. It is SHS�s 20th anniversary and Guy has designed a special logo to commemorate this event. He will be back next week to put on the finishing touches. We will be out of the office Wednesday, Thursday and Friday this week as we will be attending the York TCA Train meet. If you will be there, visit us in the Orange Hall, booths DD4. You will be able to meet Robin, Mike, Bill Moitz and others who help us with our projects. We have a lot of new painted samples of future items on display as well as a selection of items currently available. We will have the new diesel Tsunamis running out on our layout. We now have a .pdf version of the SHS Update and latest order form. You can download them as well as our current order form at: http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V19N3.pdf for the current order form listing all items in stock: http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V19N3OF.pdf Recently sold out � You can check with your favorite S scale dealer to see if he still has these in stock Waddell hoppers (all 4 numbers, another run expected next year). #01807 AT&SF TOFC Hamm Beer reefers Best regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50487	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: (no subject)

For sale: #35 set of three Brakemen with lanterns Posted by: "Robert Graves" theupstairstrain@... theupstairstrain Date: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:48 am ((PDT)) Speaking about the #35 brakeman with lanterns, Several years ago ( late 60s ) , during an open house I hosted, I lost a new in the box set, never returned. Out of curiosity I wonder if they have surfaced in some collection??? Not that I an trying to replace them, just curiosity, with no malice intended. Easy to identify: New in the box, with a $2.00 Montgomery Ward price sticker on the side, with the $2..00 marked out with a ball point pen, and marked 99 cents. Like most of us I purchased these off the bargain table, at Wards, after Christmas "53" Our Flyer group is getting smaller, & and more new in the box items are showing up. No, Robert Graves has never been in my basement to see my trains, But he ( and any of this group ) are always welcome. Thanks Jerry Dobbs NASG TCA 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2XiXLUvGEWddtWXKYtbcqI4hTEOQgCJmUbZFyiAtez0ph5/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50488	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder

I'd really enjoy doing that and would be there in a heartbeat, but I'm out here in Oregon now and won't be able to attend York this time around. Thank you very much for the invite, Harwood. The next time I find myself in the Philly area, I'll call first and maybe we could get together and talk Flyer. I'd really enjoy that. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder The same, but new owner. Ron Borsella. Come on buy. We have a lot of fun just sitting around talking about Flyer. Harwood . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50489	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/12/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 12, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50490	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: UP

Several months ago it appeared that Union Pacific was making the use of ther name on the side of rolling stock expensive and difficult. I looking at the hobby store as well as catalogue, there is plenty of UP stuff out there. Has UP changed there policy? Or are the nodle manufactures paying a licensing fee? What gives? A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50491	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder

Gene, this is not correct. Ron did not buy the store from him before Charlie died. Ron just took over using the name when he opened his own shop not far from the original location. After Charlie's death all the inventory was sold to a hobby shop in Ohio. Harwood **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50492	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder

Hey Bruce, we would love to have you. Harwood **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50493	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: York Weather Forecast (First edition)

Was at the fire house today. Only about 6-7 dealers set up including Gary Clark. About 6-7 shoppers showed up to look. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50494	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: UP

Yes, they did back off on their original deal for model railraod manufacturers. The owner of Mike's Train House pushed UP and they reached a deal back in 2006. The details can be found here (http://www.trains.com/mrr/default.aspx?c=a&id=907)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50495	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: SHS F7 DCC conversion, LokSound, check it out

Hi All; For those interested in DCC conversions, I just posted a video on youtube of S-Helpers F7 A/B converted to LokSound DCC for public viewing. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlSDqN645AQ Sound project is a tweaked up LS 567-12, with Leslie A200 horn (from a recording), acceleration schedule, improved start / shutdown. You can also check out several examples of ACG rolling stock converted with SHS trucks and kadee couplers, all mixed in with modern SHS rolling stock. For those interested in a "how to", pictures and supporting text will be posted on the S-Modifiers yahoo group soon. S-Modifiers is a "use and share" group. cheers phil d

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50496	From: Trains	Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder

Where in Oregon Bruce? Peter L in southern OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50497	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: Re: Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder

I'm in Portland, Peter. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Toy Trains Unlimited, Open House, York - Reminder Where in Oregon Bruce? Peter L in southern OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50498	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Train Video ????

At a recent NASG Convention and also at a recent S-Fest, we were treated to a very old and cute video about a guy who buys his kid a train, and then takes over and goes nuts buying them. His wife & psychiatrist get involved. I am sure some of you have seen this. Does anyone remember the name of it? I would love to get a copy i anyone know where I might do that. Thanks in advance. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50499	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????

Joe Dokes? Don On Oct 14, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Al Baker wrote: > At a recent NASG Convention and also at a recent S-Fest, we were > treated to a very old and cute video about a guy who buys his kid a > train, and then takes over and goes nuts buying them. His wife & > psychiatrist get involved. I am sure some of you have seen this. Does > anyone remember the name of it? > > I would love to get a copy i anyone know where I might do that. > > Thanks in advance. > > Al Baker > Portland, OR > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50500	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Yorkin' beats workin'

Unexpectedly got some time to travel to York this AM, so Mr Herr and I hit the road (Rt 30). Beautiful day, temps mid -seventies, some empty spaces at Best Western, more spaces in use at Holidome outside than last time, possibly because of problems with Holiday/Billy Budds owners. Most inside tables were filled at Holidome. Reliance had an empty table or two, "Flyer Parts Fred" Jester was occupied when we entered, busy from that point on. Lots of nice looking trains were out in the open everywhere, prices seemed to be all over the range. Happened to have the pleasure of meeting both Presidents Allen and Clement on our travels, two guys working HARD for TCA, seemingly around the clock. John Luppino had his well known laugh working well. Ended our day with Parking Crew at NTTM, Paul, Mike and Hank, who were putting up the signs, stakes etc for our 0645 start time on the pavement tomorrow. Rest of the guys will join in the AM. E & M Crew was busy inside setting the Museum for the festivities of the morrow. York weather, now looking for showers/thunder showers Thursday PM. We'll know Friday how that works out. TRAVEL NOTE: If travelling EAST on Rt 30 from York to Lancaster Co, there is bridge work going on in Columbia on the underside of the North-South (PA Rt 441) bridge as you leave the river bridge, RIGHT lane is closed, make a note, sooner you get into left lane, quicker trafiic moves. Hope to see thousands of eager TCA members at NTTM tomorrow, 10 AM to 5:30 PM, we've got the parking spaces and the Shuttle to serve you. Jim Lyle **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50501	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????

Thanks Don - yes that name does have a familiar ring... I googled it but didn't tget anything that looked close. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Joe Dokes? > Don > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Al Baker wrote: > > > At a recent NASG Convention and also at a recent S-Fest, we were > > treated to a very old and cute video about a guy who buys his kid a > > train, and then takes over and goes nuts buying them. His wife & > > psychiatrist get involved. I am sure some of you have seen this. Does > > anyone remember the name of it? > > > > I would love to get a copy i anyone know where I might do that. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Al Baker > > Portland, OR > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50502	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????

more on Joe Doakes..... http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0040207/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50503	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant SHS commercialism - This week at SHS 12 Oc tober 2008

01229 is sw-1 @199.00 is it ac or dc Flyer or scale? ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nHrmIvZxsCo6HgCrXQhf7Y9C9F66RhN8jNPpZCkk2c9Oic7/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50504	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????

will check at Milwaukee next month to see if it is being shown here. maybe write to Badgerland group to see if they are planning on having it. ____________________________________________________________ Can't pay your bills on time?? Click for quick cash with a payday loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3aO0j237WPi2hwcTWmjNtVQIeq1d9uow06DLU4u7XPHrbd/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50505	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: UP

probably a fee. as usually it say something about UP license when it is listed somewhere. ____________________________________________________________ Stuck in a dead end job?? Click to start living your dreams by earning an online degree. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNfZplPrmVtiHxHQBukKfm9798yfCI7N9GhRvbWNN03gegD/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50506	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Blatant SHS commercialism - This week at SHS 12 Oc tober 2008

Dear N9 (I am assuming you are a guy), It is everything. The board that comes installed is AC/DC, but we also include a DC shorting plug. DCC can be plugged in using the NMRA medium plug. AF wheels and couplers are installed, but code 110 wheels are included. The body is cored for 802 couplers. Off to York, Don On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:36 PM, n9guy@... wrote: > 01229 is sw-1 @199.00 > > is it ac or dc Flyer or scale? > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home > improvement project. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nHrmIvZxsCo6HgCrXQhf7Y9C9F66RhN8jNPpZCkk2c9Oic7/ > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50507	From: Edward G.	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????

I have it on VHS....Al---Buy a round of track on the house ...Mcdokes --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > At a recent NASG Convention and also at a recent S-Fest, we were > treated to a very old and cute video about a guy who buys his kid a > train, and then takes over and goes nuts buying them. His wife & > psychiatrist get involved. I am sure some of you have seen this. Does > anyone remember the name of it? > > I would love to get a copy i anyone know where I might do that. > > Thanks in advance. > > Al Baker > Portland, OR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50508	From: roy inman	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: UP

If we are still talking about the old UP licensing agreement, Mike Wolf of MTH was the negotiator who fixed that, no just for his company, but for all legitement current and potential manufacturers/sellers of anything using the UP logo.I believe that now permission is all that is required to produce UP model train items. Roy Inman > From: "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:49:15 +0000 (GMT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP > > probably a fee. as usually it say something about UP license > when it is listed somewhere.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50509	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: SC-2 question

Does anyone know how to connect American Flyer or S-Helper turnout controllers and turnouts to an SC-2? I want to have both manual control (throw the lever) and Legacy control (activate from my Cab2) of my S-Helper S-Trax turnouts. However, these are different from Lionel turnouts and controllers. Let me describe how and perhaps then you can explain how I should power and wire in an SC-2. I don't see anything like quite this in the most recent (2/07) SC-2 Owners Manual. A black wire from the Base Post of an AF 12B transformer (separate from the 30B's used to my power tracks) and a yellow wire from the 15V post of that 12B go to each turnout manual controller (momentary lever-type). Four wires extend from each lever-controller to their turnout – black, yellow, green, and red. Black is base, common, or ground. Yellow is a constant "hot" 15V to light the little signal bulb inside the turnout. Green gets 15V when the lever is momentarily thrown to "straight", and red gets 15V when the lever is momentarily thrown to "turn". How then does an SC-2 get wired in? I'm assuming the SC-2 just throws contact points, but doesn't actually apply power to them. There's somehow something key in all of this to wiring at least one turnout to the Switch #1 terminals in the upper left of the SC-2. It just isn't clear to me which wires should go there when using AF/SHS turnouts and controllers in conjunction with an SC-2. Thanks in advance for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50510	From: william cole	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: UP

you gotta remember that UP now stands for "Unfriendly People"....keep the lawyers out of the hobby!!!!!!!! Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Wed, 10/15/08, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 8:57 AM If we are still talking about the old UP licensing agreement, Mike Wolf of MTH was the negotiator who fixed that, no just for his company, but for all legitement current and potential manufacturers/ sellers of anything using the UP logo.I believe that now permission is all that is required to produce UP model train items. Roy Inman > From: "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:49:15 +0000 (GMT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP > > probably a fee. as usually it say something about UP license > when it is listed somewhere. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50511	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: SC-2 question

I may have figured this out. The lever controller and turnout could be wired such that the black return to the lever controller is essentially hot already from grounding the light bulb. That means the green and red wires don't get 15V "sent" out on them from the lever controller to the TO, but instead get momentarily connected to Base inside the lever controller when the lever is thrown in one direction or the other. That would mean all you need to create voltage potential with which to run/power something is place it between the black wire and either the red wire or green wire. Perhaps then it's as simple as connecting those 3 wires from any one S-Helper turnout to Switch Terminal #1 on the SC- 2 - - black in the center and red and green aside it. The "trick" would be then that Terminal #1 is uniquely wired to draw power for the SC-2 from the black and either the green or red wire, and also wired/programmed to momentarily connect them in order to operate the the turnout itself. All other terminals on the SC-2 would only need to be wired in the latter manner, not the prior as well. Hmmmmm. Got some testing to do.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50512	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: SC-2 question

Interrupting the the black lead would achieve the same thing, but then everything (bulb, solenoids, and SC-2) would be wired in parallel and I'm not sure they do it that way. Hmmmm. Not sure.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50513	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: UP

I remembered about the logo and their foolishness at the time. Then I thought that all of the manufactors would sell of their inventories and that we would no longer see the logos of UP and its fallem flags. Well, whether ut us S or abt ither scale rolling stock and locomotion with these logos are still out there for sale. Nothing has seemed to have changed. I am happy that it all worked out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50514	From: roy inman	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: UP

Loverly sentiment William, but it fear that lawyers are kind of like tics. Once they get attached they are very difficult to remove indeed. And, there are millions more in the brush... Roy Inman > From: william cole <billcwithonec@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:20:27 -0700 (PDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP > > you gotta remember that UP now stands for "Unfriendly People"....keep the > lawyers out of the hobby!!!!!!!! > > Bc > > LOandS@yahoogroups.com > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Pink Spider > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale > Which determines the way they go. ...." > -EWW > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > SUPPORT ¡¡Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¢¢ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 8:57 AM > > > > > > > If we are still talking about the old UP licensing agreement, Mike Wolf of > MTH was the negotiator who fixed that, no just for his company, but for all > legitement current and potential manufacturers/ sellers of anything using the > UP logo.I believe that now permission is all that is required to produce UP > model train items. > > Roy Inman > >> From: "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> >> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com >> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:49:15 +0000 (GMT) >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP >> >> probably a fee. as usually it say something about UP license >> when it is listed somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50515	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????

What is the name of the movie, and who is the staring actor(s).? --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Edward G. <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward G. <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Video ???? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:03 AM I have it on VHS....Al--- Buy a round of track on the house ...Mcdokes --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@. ..> wrote: > > At a recent NASG Convention and also at a recent S-Fest, we were > treated to a very old and cute video about a guy who buys his kid a > train, and then takes over and goes nuts buying them. His wife & > psychiatrist get involved. I am sure some of you have seen this. Does > anyone remember the name of it? > > I would love to get a copy i anyone know where I might do that. > > Thanks in advance. > > Al Baker > Portland, OR > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50516	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: SC-2 question

I meant, everything that way would be in series. Parallel would be preferred. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50517	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: flyer catalog

You wouldn't have a K-Line with S in it would you.     Hobby Surplus had some listing but it is now out of stock. --- On Sun, 10/5/08, boblines51 <bobville@...> wrote: From: boblines51 <bobville@...> Subject: [S-Trains] flyer catalog To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 11:01 AM I am going through all my catalogs and only keeping the pages that have Flyer on them.My question is,were there no flyer made in 1998 and just christmas in 2000? Also I have extra catalogs from some years that I did not cut up.If anyone needs one let me know. Bob Persing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50518	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Train Video ????

If memory serves me right.... The TCA in Strassberg might sell this tape.... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from mike rosz <mikenguy9@...>: -------------- What is the name of the movie, and who is the staring actor(s).? --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Edward G. <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward G. <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Video ???? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:03 AM I have it on VHS....Al--- Buy a round of track on the house ...Mcdokes --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@. ..> wrote: > > At a recent NASG Convention and also at a recent S-Fest, we were > treated to a very old and cute video about a guy who buys his kid a > train, and then takes over and goes nuts buying them. His wife & > psychiatrist get involved. I am sure some of you have seen this. Does > anyone remember the name of it? > > I would love to get a copy i anyone know where I might do that. > > Thanks in advance. > > Al Baker > Portland, OR > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50519	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: UP

A retired engineer friend claimed it stands for "Unlimited Parking". This brings to mind an old joke from my childhood in the 50's when we'd tell a guy, " I saw UP on a conductor's hat". It was always followed by a good laugh. Humor was a lot simpler then, wasn't it? :) Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: william cole <billcwithonec@...> > you gotta remember that UP now stands for "Unfriendly People"....keep the > lawyers out of the hobby!!!!!!!! > > Bc > > LOandS@yahoogroups.com > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Pink Spider > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale > Which determines the way they go. ...." > -EWW > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 8:57 AM > > > > > > > If we are still talking about the old UP licensing agreement, Mike Wolf of > MTH was the negotiator who fixed that, no just for his company, but for all > legitement current and potential manufacturers/ sellers of anything using the > UP logo.I believe that now permission is all that is required to produce UP > model train items. > > Roy Inman > > > From: "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> > > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:49:15 +0000 (GMT) > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP > > > > probably a fee. as usually it say something about UP license > > when it is listed somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50520	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: The Name of the Movie Is ...

So You Want to Build a Model Railroad (1955) BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50521	From: smokestacklightnin	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers

What is the fix for the hot bulbs in the 720 controller. I have just set up my Dad's old AF set, and have burned myself twice on the very hot lights in the switch controller. > In fact, I like them better 'cuz there are no hot bulbs to burn out >and melt the plastic (there is a fix for that, tho'). >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50522	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers

Put some 24v bulbs in them. Port lines hobby has some. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 10/15/2008 4:32:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, stac klightnin@... writes: What is the fix for the hot bulbs in the 720 controller. I have just set up my Dad's old AF set, and have burned myself twice on the very hot lights in the switch controller. > In fact, I like them better 'cuz there are no hot bulbs to burn out >and melt the plastic (there is a fix for that, tho'). > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50523	From: camper279@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Snow

In a message dated 10/11/2008 5:20:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rcon7@... writes: Leave it to BARB to give us a SNOW JOB!!!!!!!!! I couldn't resist!!!!!!I couldn't re ------------------------<WBR>-- Original messa<_rcespeak@..._ (mailto:rcespeak@...) >: ------------: Hi Group, If your going to use soap powder for snow, make sure your train room is humidity controlled and no water can ever get on the soap. Otherwise you'll be taking a bubble bath with your trains. Personally I use baking soda on the landscape and on the houses. I use Woodland Scenic snow on my mountain trees. The baking soda is perfect and keeps any critters away. Plus it just never disappears. So here's the process. If you want a snow buildup as on a roof, use a small paint brush and run a line of Woodland Scenic Cement along the edge of the roof. Before it dries, using a very small sifter of tea strainer with baking soda in it, tap the side of it with your hand as you pretend you are a cloud going over the area to be snowed upon. Voila!!! It just snowed. I have, in 3 years never had to refresh the snow (baking soda). Barb Re: snow Posted by: "_n9guy@..._ (mailto:n9guy@...) " _n9guy@..._ (mailto:n9guy@...) miken9guy Thu Oct 9, 2008 10:23 am (PDT) soap powder, tide, etc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************BUY Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull on DVD today! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1209326865x1200539441/aol?redir=http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50524	From: John Degnan	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: The Name of the Movie Is ...

Right you are, and more info on this movie can be seen at the following URL : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0126059/ John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] The Name of the Movie Is ... > So You Want to Build a Model Railroad (1955) > > BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50525	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Light & Water

A few weeks back someone enquired of the prototype for the AF spotlight car. The response was underwhelming. How would a RR use a car like that? Illuminate wreck clean-up sites maybe? Or set it out on a siding near a big mall grand opening. But here's a real car it's unfortunate AC Gilbert never made. We could have had a lot of fun with one of these. And in fact, this one did involve lights too. http://qstation.org/BNSF_Fire_Flatcar/ According to Bruce Cutter, quote The flat cars are equipped with: 1) 3,250 Gallon water tanks 2) 500 Gallon Foam Tank 3) Honda Pumps (1 on each end) 4) Honda Generator hooked up to bright halogen lights for night work or smoky conditions 5) movable water cannons mounted on a platform (1 on each end) BNSF worked with USFS and Washington Dept of Natural Resources to make sure all fittings and hoses were compatible. They can haul it to the fire by train then park it and let fire personnel staff it. Per BNSF they built this due to several fires started by their trains each year and wildfires threatening their railroad assets. They are considering pulling this along during rail grinding ops each year when a lot of their fires start. endquote Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50526	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: York Report from NTTM

Sounds implausible, but, LOTS of activities for York Week at NTTM on this day. Mr Herr and I started at 0645 on the NTTM lot, setting cones, loading signs, preparing radios etc, before heading off to meet Mike and Hank and incoming E & M Committee Chair Charlie Hirschmann. After our short breakfast meeting, the crew finished erecting signs on our neighbors lots (ChooChooBarn, RRMPA and Strasburg Railroad). We do not sign the Red Caboose lot, Mike and Hank walk it all day. Dave, Tom and Harold joined us shortly as visitors started to arrive. We had beautiful weather in Strasburg, we will have Glenn Ritter pictures to prove it soon. E & M Committee hosted prox 10 "presenters" in the museum proper. Book signings, new product intros, new decoration on rolling stock, etc. Interesting that the presenters arrived earlier than ever and stayed later than ever. Among them, WEAVERS, ATLAS, S-HELPER BACHMANN, check You-Tube in several days, they'll be there. I was once again presenter for S-Helper, ably asssisted in the background by Glenn Ritter and Fred Whitley. MIKE & LIONEL both did afternoon presentations in the "Atrium", Mike in person as always and Lionel staffed by J Don Reese (and others), with Richard and Linda Kuhn and Jerry Calabrese in attendance. This is the E & M Committee's day to shine and they certainly did. Vendors were surprised to have waiting parking, E & M Staffers to help them in and out and to provide any other assistance required. Hard working crew (very few, really) of volunteers. Both President Allen and President-Elect Clement were in attendance, available to converse with anyone who wished to talk. As always John Luppino and TCA/NTTM Staff kept it all together. Past Prez Tom Jaworsky is now appearing as "Santa" and is most convincing. Obviously the list goes on and I will miss someone, so----- See you on the Fairgrounds, Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50527	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Light & Water

What I saw in CORP's yard this summer were tank cars filled with water to be located just behind the engines to spray water as they move down the track. They spray water to prevent fires that start from the wheels. Mike In a message dated 10/15/2008 7:50:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, t.hawley@... writes: A few weeks back someone enquired of the prototype for the AF spotlight car. The response was underwhelming. How would a RR use a car like that? Illuminate wreck clean-up sites maybe? Or set it out on a siding near a big mall grand opening. But here's a real car it's unfortunate AC Gilbert never made. We could have had a lot of fun with one of these. And in fact, this one did involve lights too. _http://qstation.http://qshttp://qstati_ (http://qstation.org/BNSF_Fire_Flatcar/) According to Bruce Cutter, quote The flat cars are equipped with: 1) 3,250 Gallon water tanks 2) 500 Gallon Foam Tank 3) Honda Pumps (1 on each end) 4) Honda Generator hooked up to bright halogen lights for night work or smoky conditions 5) movable water cannons mounted on a platform (1 on each end) BNSF worked with USFS and Washington Dept of Natural Resources to make sure all fittings and hoses were compatible. They can haul it to the fire by train then park it and let fire personnel staff it. Per BNSF they built this due to several fires started by their trains each year and wildfires threatening their railroad assets. They are considering pulling this along during rail grinding ops each year when a lot of their fires start. endquote Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50528	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: Light & Water

My Dad would of never gone for that water cannon car. You'l shot your eye out kid.... ;)) --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: > From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Light & Water > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 7:08 PM > A few weeks back someone enquired of the prototype for the > AF spotlight car. The response was underwhelming. How > would a RR use a car like that? Illuminate wreck clean-up > sites maybe? Or set it out on a siding near a big mall > grand opening. > > But here's a real car it's unfortunate AC Gilbert > never made. We could have had a lot of fun with one of > these. And in fact, this one did involve lights too. > > http://qstation.org/BNSF_Fire_Flatcar/ > > According to Bruce Cutter, > quote > The flat cars are equipped with: > 1) 3,250 Gallon water tanks > 2) 500 Gallon Foam Tank > 3) Honda Pumps (1 on each end) > 4) Honda Generator hooked up to bright halogen lights > for night work or smoky conditions > 5) movable water cannons mounted on a platform (1 on > each end) > > BNSF worked with USFS and Washington Dept of Natural > Resources to make sure all fittings and hoses were > compatible. They can haul it to the fire by train then park > it and let fire personnel staff it. Per BNSF they built this > due to several fires started by their trains each year and > wildfires threatening their railroad assets. They are > considering pulling this along during rail grinding ops each > year when a lot of their fires start. > endquote > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50529	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Name of the Movie Is ...

Thanks to all of you that have replied. I think we now have the name of the movie nailed down to "So You Want to Build a Model Railroad" and the guy in it is Joe McDoakes. I talked to a guy at the TCA Store and he said they used to sell it but no longer do. They have a couple copies their for their use. The company that made it was Repro Depot according to the TCA guy whose name I have forgotten. He said Repro Depot is now out of business so getting a copy might be tough. So again thanks to all that contributed. Now if I could just find a copy for sale ..... Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > Right you are, and more info on this movie can be seen at the following URL > : > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0126059/ > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:14 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] The Name of the Movie Is ... > > > > So You Want to Build a Model Railroad (1955) > > > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50530	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers

Yeah, "back in the days", when bulbs were rather scarce, we used to turn the lights off by just pushing the lever back and not throwing the switch. That saved the bulbs and kept us from burning ourselves. You have a choice or two. You can put 24v bulbs in them, or better yet, LEDs. I know that it's "modern" but they don't get hot at all! And, they last a LONG time. You can always put the originals back. Town and Country Hobbies has direct LED replacements that are encased in a bulb body and screw in to the sockets for $2.00 each. Their website is www.towncountryhobbies.com They're good people, and they show up at the train shows in NJ and PA if you're in the area. Steve ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifPTumPvKYgR2THRxnRlrstnPzxtPyhFAZuboyik3TJnOMKv/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50531	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers

Don't touch the friggin's bulbs! (Sorry, I couldn't resist) ;) Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: smokestacklightnin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 720 controllers What is the fix for the hot bulbs in the 720 controller. I have just set up my Dad's old AF set, and have burned myself twice on the very hot lights in the switch controller. > In fact, I like them better 'cuz there are no hot bulbs to burn out >and melt the plastic (there is a fix for that, tho'). > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50532	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers

You can now get red / green jumbo LEDs (10mm) in standard light base to use as replacements. I made 50 of them in 2001 for my switch controllers by soldering the LED / resistor into a light base and encasing in epoxy. That was almost 8 years ago, no burn outs, no burns. cheers p d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "smokestacklightnin" <stacklightnin@...> wrote: > > What is the fix for the hot bulbs in the 720 controller. I have just > set up my Dad's old AF set, and have burned myself twice on the very > hot lights in the switch controller. > > > In fact, I like them better 'cuz there are no hot bulbs to burn out > >and melt the plastic (there is a fix for that, tho'). > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50533	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: UP

William and Roy, Believe it or not, lawyers, like everyone else, have other interests other than those directly related to their work. Also I am sure there are lawyers in the hobby and on this list other than me who are not going to let themselves be driven out of the hobby. Remember that for every lawyer you don't like, there is one arguing against him on the other side. MTH obviously had lawyers working for them who were sympathetic to our cause and helped put an end to this Union Pacific profit grab. I suspect that you just haven't met any lawyers in other than official settings. We do have other interests, including trains in my case. Dale Smith, J.D. Pacifica, CA roy inman wrote: > > Loverly sentiment William, but it fear that lawyers are kind of like tics. > Once they get attached they are very difficult to remove indeed. And, > there > are millions more in the brush... > > Roy Inman > > > From: william cole <billcwithonec@... > <mailto:billcwithonec%40yahoo.com>> > > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:20:27 -0700 (PDT) > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP > > > > you gotta remember that UP now stands for "Unfriendly > People"....keep the > > lawyers out of the hobby!!!!!!!! > > > > Bc > > > > LOandS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:LOandS%40yahoogroups.com> > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Pink Spider > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related> > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale > > Which determines the way they go. ...." > > -EWW > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > SUPPORT ¡¡Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¢¢ > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S > <http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S> > > > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > > > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, roy inman <rinphoto@... > <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net>> wrote: > > > > From: roy inman <rinphoto@... > <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net>> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 8:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we are still talking about the old UP licensing agreement, Mike > Wolf of > > MTH was the negotiator who fixed that, no just for his company, but > for all > > legitement current and potential manufacturers/ sellers of anything > using the > > UP logo.I believe that now permission is all that is required to > produce UP > > model train items. > > > > Roy Inman > > > >> From: "n9guy@... <mailto:n9guy%40juno.com>" <n9guy@... > <mailto:n9guy%40juno.com>> > >> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > >> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:49:15 +0000 (GMT) > >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP > >> > >> probably a fee. as usually it say something about UP license > >> when it is listed somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo>! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50534	From: roy inman	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: UP

Right you are William. I should have said that my tongue was firmly planted in my (face) cheek when I made that remark :) In point of fact, one of our S club members is a barrister and a quite likeable guy at that. Has a terrific AF layout in his home. Roy Inman From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:57:18 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP William and Roy, Believe it or not, lawyers, like everyone else, have other interests other than those directly related to their work. Also I am sure there are lawyers in the hobby and on this list other than me who are not going to let themselves be driven out of the hobby. Remember that for every lawyer you don't like, there is one arguing against him on the other side. MTH obviously had lawyers working for them who were sympathetic to our cause and helped put an end to this Union Pacific profit grab. I suspect that you just haven't met any lawyers in other than official settings. We do have other interests, including trains in my case. Dale Smith, J.D. Pacifica, CA > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo>! > Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50535	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: UP

YA, and why shouldn't a guy who serves coffee, not play with trains(Likeable or not) Mike In a message dated 10/16/2008 7:15:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rinphoto@... writes: Right you are William. I should have said that my tongue was firmly planted in my (face) cheek when I made that remark :) In point of fact, one of our S club members is a barrister and a quite likeable guy at that. Has a terrific AF layout in his home. Roy Inman From: Dale Smith <_dfsmith26@..._ (mailto:dfsmith26@...) > Reply-To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:57:18 -0700 To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP William and Roy, Believe it or not, lawyers, like everyone else, have other interests other than those directly related to their work. Also I am sure there are lawyers in the hobby and on this list other than me who are not going to let themselves be driven out of the hobby. Remember that for every lawyer you don't like, there is one arguing against him on the other side. MTH obviously had lawyers working for them who were sympathetic to our cause and helped put an end to this Union Pacific profit grab. I suspect that you just haven't met any lawyers in other than official settings. We do have other interests, including trains in my case. Dale Smith, J.D. Pacifica, CA > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at _http://S-Scale.http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) <_http://S-Scale.http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) >! > Groups Links **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50536	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: casey jones parts

I remember someone asking about casey jones side rods. ebay item 120319294251 may be what you want. Bill Drake fall is coming to St. Louis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50537	From: Al	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: #600 Pioneer All Aboard 6 Panel Set for Sale.

I have the #600 Pioneer All Aboard 6 Panel Set for Sale. No accessories available at this time. Track/panels are slightly dirty. I will clean them up a bit. I'm asking $120.00 or best offer I receive by end of October. I will find out the shipping costs from the USPS. I will package these panels securely. Al Rawdon, Layton, Utah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50538	From: innotron	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: train show information

Hi all, We are a newbee S club in San Diego and are currently building modules to set up at a Great Train Expo show here in December. Tired of seeing NO operational S at all at past shows, our group was started last spring to promote S guage and change the impression in San Diego that S is a lost and forgotten scale. Since we haven't done this before we were hoping to get some input on what other clubs do for liability insurance at a show. Is it necessary and if so what is the norm? We have no formal structure as a group. Does any potential liability roll back on the members or is it not an issue? At this expo we are going to showcase both scale and highrail and plan to have some spectator push buttons to operate AF accessories located behind lexan or plexaglas panels. I know that many of you have more experience than us with these and other show issues and hope that you will share your knowledge with us. Information can be aired here or sent to me at innotron@... Thank you, Alex Sibbald San Diego S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50539	From: Trains	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers

Hi, thought you might wish to consider this: you can wire the "bulb" circuit on switches and control boxes (and just about any AF accessory)seperately to another smaller transformer and use the "track" voltage to adjust to where lights are able to be seen but not burning hot...this will also look better..I have done this and it works great. Another thought is to buy the controlers from SHS, they do sell them seperately and they are already to go with LED lights and look great, then you can put the AF controllers away or sell them. S Gaugingly yours, Peter L. in OR Check my web site at www.Trains-4-U.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50540	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: UP

They say that the trouble with lawyer jokes is that lawyers don't think they are funny and other people don't think they are jokes. In that vein, with tongue firmly planted in cheek I say of lawyers, "If we are cut, do we not bleed and if we bleed, do we not sue?" Dale roy inman wrote: > > Right you are William. > > I should have said that my tongue was firmly planted in my (face) > cheek when > I made that remark :) > > In point of fact, one of our S club members is a barrister and a quite > likeable guy at that. Has a terrific AF layout in his home. > > Roy Inman > > From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@... <mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net>> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:57:18 -0700 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP > > William and Roy, > > Believe it or not, lawyers, like everyone else, have other interests > other than those directly related to their work. Also I am sure there > are lawyers in the hobby and on this list other than me who are not > going to let themselves be driven out of the hobby. Remember that for > every lawyer you don't like, there is one arguing against him on the > other side. MTH obviously had lawyers working for them who were > sympathetic to our cause and helped put an end to this Union Pacific > profit grab. I suspect that you just haven't met any lawyers in other > than official settings. We do have other interests, including trains > in my case. > > Dale Smith, J.D. > Pacifica, CA > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo> > <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo>>! > > Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50541	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: UP

Hi all, I will add my name to the list of lawyers who participate in this hobby and I enjoy it immensely. Also I was extremely upset with the UP for their position on the trademark issue. While they may have had "legal technicalities" on their side, they had ignored them for decades. In the interest of goodwill I felt they should have continued to allow hobbyists and those marketing to hobbyists to use the UP trademark without the license and the subsequent markup. Not all lawyers think like UP lawyers. Long live "S"! Tom Detmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50542	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Pics from York Wed at NTTM

Here they are, Glenn Ritter came thru again for us. _http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCA-NTTM1008.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCA-NTTM1008.html) Jim Lyle **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50543	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: Decals

three new place to try for S decals 1. Solidesign 8005 Ore Knob Dr, Fenton MI 48430 one of a kind and limited runs. solidesign@... also www.solidesign.bizland.com 2. Clover House P,O. box 62M, Sebastopol,CA 95473-0062 Dry transfer in S, O, G, N, and HO www.cloverhous.com 3. woodstock Hobbies online warehouse at www.woodstockhobbies.com G, O, S, N, Z, and HO ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on college degrees. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l8WvSsYNgwP6pwtpCIqbBkJ24F6ctw6mrc4L1Swbiox9iJN/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50544	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: UP

Two cents on the issue:   Each of us has an area of expertise and we earn a living by having an advantage over others that don't have the expertise. As an engineer, I am quite pleased to have those with expertise in the laws handle the situations where they are needed as I have chosen to not develop the expertise on legal matters. In fact when it comes to contracts and patents I have learned that those with the expertise more than earn their keep in dealing with these matters. I would hope that when they need engineering in my specialties, they have learned to not try creating wireless industrial control devices with no training or experience. If they try, I, for one, do not want to be near a chemical plant or nuclear plant with their designs in use. Also, when it appears easy or something "that I could do in my garage on a Saturday morning", it is usually because the expertise makes it look easy since the hard mistakes have been learned, and the path chosen isn't using the extra time making wrong turns.   I would rather have a lawyer arguing on my behalf than settle the issue with duelling swords.   Bill Drake busy reading through patent documents for technical issues in St. Louis (ugh!) --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Tom Detmer <detmer@...> wrote: From: Tom Detmer <detmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 9:46 AM Hi all, I will add my name to the list of lawyers who participate in this hobby and I enjoy it immensely. Also I was extremely upset with the UP for their position on the trademark issue. While they may have had "legal technicalities" on their side, they had ignored them for decades. In the interest of goodwill I felt they should have continued to allow hobbyists and those marketing to hobbyists to use the UP trademark without the license and the subsequent markup. Not all lawyers think like UP lawyers. Long live "S"! Tom Detmer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50545	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: UP

I have spent 40 years un manufacturing management and engineering. You design it, I'll make it. Yes, you can keep researching your patents. I don't want to mess with them. I let dear old Dad take care of my legal issues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50546	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: 720 controllers

The yellow wire to the controller supplies power the lamps. put a diode in that leg, this will drop the cycles from 60 to 30, lamps will last a long time, run cooler and be almost as bright. But you must run a 18 volt supply to the yellow post on the switch. You can put a diode on the black ( common ) on the switch and save the switch lamps. This also saves from running 4 wires to the switch, just 2 from the controller. to the switch Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50547	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: For sale list

At some time back I read about an "S" For Sale List , no charge. I prefer not to sell on E-bay, and give the selling fees to the buyer, in the form of cheaper prices I have several "S" Scale car kits and On3 kits that are the same size as "S" scale cars. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50548	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer

looking for running stuff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50549	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer

3/16 stuff. Was Chicago Flyer O? or was it wide gauge? ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find single Christians that want to meet you today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ngh5CrbVLOcrb17dHlYIceng1ZqsxbG6PuoxJeX7r0GVM63/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50550	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: For sale list

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50551	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!!

I am going to post on the net the following items..... Thought I would give you guys first options. 1 Chicago and Alton set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Chicago and Alton 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box 1 Union Pacific 4 car set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Union Pacific 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box 1 New Haven 3 car set set - MIB in OB 1 New Haven pass add on in OB .... Silver Flash 1 Union Pacific Northern - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Union Pacific Northern - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Casey Jones Loco - Almost New AND MANY OTHER ITEMS..... SELLING EXTRAS Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50552	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer

Both - American Flyer competed with Lionel and didn't want to use the same terminology. American Flyer Wide Gauge is the same as Lionel Standard Gauge and American Flyer Narrow Gauge is the same as Lionel O Gauge. Gilbert Prewar is O Gauge. By the time Gilbert acquired American Flyer, Wide Gauge/Standard Gauge was no longer made. --- On Sat, 10/18/08, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: > From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] O Flyer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 1:55 PM > 3/16 stuff. > > Was Chicago Flyer O? or was it wide gauge? > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find single Christians that want to meet you > today. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ngh5CrbVLOcrb17dHlYIceng1ZqsxbG6PuoxJeX7r0GVM63/ > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50553	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer

Both. Alistair -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n9guy@... Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:25 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] O Flyer 3/16 stuff. Was Chicago Flyer O? or was it wide gauge? ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find single Christians that want to meet you today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ngh5CrbVLOcrb17dHlYIceng1 ZqsxbG6PuoxJeX7r0GVM63/ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50554	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!!

Prices?????? ----- Original Message ---- From: "rcon7@..." <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:25:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!! I am going to post on the net the following items..... Thought I would give you guys first options. 1 Chicago and Alton set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Chicago and Alton 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box 1 Union Pacific 4 car set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Union Pacific 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box 1 New Haven 3 car set set - MIB in OB 1 New Haven pass add on in OB .... Silver Flash 1 Union Pacific Northern - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Union Pacific Northern - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Casey Jones Loco - Almost New AND MANY OTHER ITEMS..... SELLING EXTRAS Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50555	From: William Porter	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer

Our colleagues have already answered most of it. The smaller wind-up trains (lithographed 4-wheel cars and small, cast-iron steamers) ran on O-gauge track, but were smaller. They are closer to stubby 3/16th scale than they are to 1/4 inch. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n9guy@... Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] O Flyer 3/16 stuff. Was Chicago Flyer O? or was it wide gauge?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50556	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/19/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50557	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: NOT S, but steam & History--last trip of the DQ

HI all, I know I'll get some flack for this, but if you don't like history or steam power, just hit "delete" and it won't require reading any further. Many, if not most of this group are history/steam fans. We leave Tomorrow for what is billed as the "Farewell Trip" for the last American Overnight Steamboat. The journey starts in Cincinnati, OH on the 21st and ends in Memphis, TN on the 31st. If you want to see a bit of history, here's the trip schedule, come on down if you're nearby. Schedules on the river change, so this might not be the actual times! Oct. 21 Cincinnati Arrives 9AM Depart 7 PM Farewell party at 4PM--this will be one of the big ones, and the landing has lots of parking area, althought it's at a slant! 22 Maysville, KY 8 AM - 1 PM 23 Madison, IN 8 AM - 1 PM 24 Louisville, KY 8 AM - 8 PM--big party planned here too! 25 Grandview, IN 12 PM - 5 PM 26 Henderson, KY 8 AM - 1 PM 27 Paducah, KY 9 AM - 5 PM 28 Cape Girardeau, MO 12 PM - 5 PM 29 New Madrid, MO 8 AM - 1 PM 30 Memphis, TN 8 AM - 5 PM Usually lands at Mud Island 31 Memphis, TN 9 AM Disembark & also the American Queen sternwheeler arrives (she uses underwater diesel Z drives for most of her propulsion) We have not given up the Save the Delta Queen cause yet, there is a chance that the new congress could pass the permission to operate, and a new owner might take over, but the current economic conditions aren't favorable--but the Fat Lady hasn't sung yet! Back to playin' with trains S'incerely, David Dewey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50558	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!!

Ed.... I will list prices in a few days.... Found a lot more stuff.... Bob -------------- Original message from EDWARD ECKERT <ejenterp@...>: -------------- Prices?????? ----- Original Message ---- From: "rcon7@..." <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:25:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!! I am going to post on the net the following items..... Thought I would give you guys first options. 1 Chicago and Alton set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Chicago and Alton 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box 1 Union Pacific 4 car set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Union Pacific 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box 1 New Haven 3 car set set - MIB in OB 1 New Haven pass add on in OB .... Silver Flash 1 Union Pacific Northern - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Union Pacific Northern - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Casey Jones Loco - Almost New AND MANY OTHER ITEMS..... SELLING EXTRAS Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50559	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: For Sale!

If any of you collect railroad memorabilia, I have an extra copy of the book: Railroadiana Price Guide for 2000 & Beyond. The book is new and still has the clear wrap protecting it, but is out of print. If you do a search using the above title you will find that this book sells on Amazon (used to new) for $90.00 up to about $890.00. It has 350 pages in a softbound cover (10.8" x 8.3"). This book originally sold for $30.00 new. If interested, I will sell mine for $60.00 plus $5.00 shipping. Otherwise it will probably go on Ebay. Thanks, Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50560	From: William Porter	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer

Hi Folks, For reference I have added a couple of photos showing 3 sizes of O-Gauge tinplate Flyer cars and one S-Gauge Flyer car to the photo archive. Look in the ZOT-Photos – Flyer Sizes album at (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/677220287/pic/list) or try http://tinyurl.com/6bss57 . Most reference guide photos fill the frame of the picture with the car. That makes it difficult to visually grasp the difference between a tin 5 ½ inch car and a tin 6 ½ inch car. I also included a 9-inch O-Gauge caboose and a Gilbert S-Gauge caboose for reference. I don’t have any of the pre-war, Gilbert Flyer, 3/16ths scale cars to photograph. It would be good if someone else could add photos of such stuff. The album is open for other additions of size comparison photos from members. If you do add a photo, please be sure to have at least two cars or locos in the same frame for comparison. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Porter Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] O Flyer Our colleagues have already answered most of it. The smaller wind-up trains (lithographed 4-wheel cars and small, cast-iron steamers) ran on O-gauge track, but were smaller. They are closer to stubby 3/16th scale than they are to 1/4 inch. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of n9guy@... <mailto:n9guy%40juno.com> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] O Flyer 3/16 stuff. Was Chicago Flyer O? or was it wide gauge? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50561	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/19/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50562	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: GG-1 Question

Hi Everyone, I have a question for the group I am looking for two " GG-1 " shells in S gauge . Did anyone make this item ?...I have two GG-1 frames , they are made of brass .. with two pittman motors in each one.. they have A.C. gilbert reverse units, bridge AC/DC rectifiers, Gilbert diesel trucks, and hand made pony and trailing trucks out of gilbert equipment with solid knuckle couplers.. They measure 13 inches long ... 16 inches to the tip of the couplers.. Is this a brass Kit ? or something someone put together ..I have never seen them before and they are missing the shells .. thx for your help. Mike Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday October 19, 2008 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50563	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: GG-1 Question

House of Duddy and American Models both advertised S gauge GG-1's at one time or another. Don't remember anything about Gilbert parts, though.   Bill Drake --- On Sun, 10/19/08, mikejoan45@... <mikejoan45@...> wrote: From: mikejoan45@... <mikejoan45@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: GG-1 Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 7:06 PM Hi Everyone, I have a question for the group I am looking for two " GG-1 " shells in S gauge . Did anyone make this item ?...I have two GG-1 frames , they are made of brass .. with two pittman motors in each one.. they have A.C. gilbert reverse units, bridge AC/DC rectifiers, Gilbert diesel trucks, and hand made pony and trailing trucks out of gilbert equipment with solid knuckle couplers.. They measure 13 inches long ... 16 inches to the tip of the couplers.. Is this a brass Kit ? or something someone put together ..I have never seen them before and they are missing the shells .. thx for your help. Mike Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday October 19, 2008 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://www.tuveson com/mychat/ phpMyChat. php3 Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50564	From: roy inman	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: GG-1 Question

That does sound like a rather odd item. I have the AM GG-1, and can't say for sure, but it's possible that AM might have the shells for sale. Roy Inman From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:51:57 -0700 (PDT) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: GG-1 Question House of Duddy and American Models both advertised S gauge GG-1's at one time or another. Don't remember anything about Gilbert parts, though.   Bill Drake --- On Sun, 10/19/08, mikejoan45@... <mailto:mikejoan45%40comcast.net> <mikejoan45@... <mailto:mikejoan45%40comcast.net> > wrote: From: mikejoan45@... <mailto:mikejoan45%40comcast.net> <mikejoan45@... <mailto:mikejoan45%40comcast.net> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: GG-1 Question To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 7:06 PM Hi Everyone, I have a question for the group I am looking for two " GG-1 " shells in S gauge . Did anyone make this item ?...I have two GG-1 frames , they are made of brass .. with two pittman motors in each one.. they have A.C. gilbert reverse units, bridge AC/DC rectifiers, Gilbert diesel trucks, and hand made pony and trailing trucks out of gilbert equipment with solid knuckle couplers.. They measure 13 inches long ... 16 inches to the tip of the couplers.. Is this a brass Kit ? or something someone put together ..I have never seen them before and they are missing the shells .. thx for your help. Mike Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday October 19, 2008 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://www.tuveson com/mychat/ phpMyChat. php3 Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50565	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: SHS .125 flex track soldering

Hi guys. I have been reading with interest the running conversation about how to solder it. Actually, I specifically bought the SHS NS flex track because I didn't want the hassle of having to maintain the track as much as brass track plus have the flexibility of running HR or Scale using Tom's Turnouts. Is the soldering you guys talking about ONLY to improve the smoothness of the curve (can't this be done without soldering?) or principally for improving connectivity which deteriorates over time at the joints (especially SHS weathered joints?). Don T: interested in weighing in on this? Thanks, Jack Riely **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50566	From: uvl97222	Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?

Hi all of you! I am making a tunnel on a curve, and would like to know what all of you think the size should be for the opening. H ~ W ? I would like all the flyer trains to clear the top as well. Clayton S. D. Portland OR.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50567	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: GG-1 Question

Wow can you post a few photos of that? I would like to see that. Clayton Portland OR. --- On Sun, 10/19/08, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: GG-1 Question > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 5:42 PM > That does sound like a rather odd item. > > I have the AM GG-1, and can't say for sure, but > it's possible that AM might > have the shells for sale. > > Roy Inman > > From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:51:57 -0700 (PDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: GG-1 Question > > > House of Duddy and American Models both advertised S gauge > GG-1's at one > time or another. Don't remember anything about Gilbert > parts, though. >   > Bill Drake > > --- On Sun, 10/19/08, mikejoan45@... > <mailto:mikejoan45%40comcast.net> > <mikejoan45@... > <mailto:mikejoan45%40comcast.net> > wrote: > > From: mikejoan45@... > <mailto:mikejoan45%40comcast.net> > <mikejoan45@... > <mailto:mikejoan45%40comcast.net> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: GG-1 Question > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 7:06 PM > > Hi Everyone, > > I have a question for the group I am looking for two " > GG-1 " shells in S > gauge . Did anyone make this item ?...I have two GG-1 > frames , they are made > of brass .. with two pittman motors in each one.. they have > A.C. gilbert > reverse units, bridge AC/DC rectifiers, Gilbert diesel > trucks, and hand made > pony and trailing trucks out of gilbert equipment with > solid knuckle > couplers.. They measure 13 inches long ... 16 inches to the > tip of the > couplers.. Is this a brass Kit ? or something someone put > together ..I have > never seen them before and they are missing the shells .. > thx for your help. > Mike > > Reminder from: > > S-Trains Yahoo! Group > > Title: > > SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT > > Date: > > Sunday October 19, 2008 > > Time: > > 8:00 pm > > - 12:00 am > > Repeats: > > This event repeats every week. > > Location: > > http://www.tuveson com/mychat/ phpMyChat. php3 > > Notes: > > Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET > to "lights out" by > consensus > > Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. > Edit reminder options > > Copyright © 2008 > > Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | > > Terms of Service | Privacy Policy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50568	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: SHS .125 track soldering

Having worked with flex track in other scales as well, especially the smaller ones, I solder track joints for electrical conductivity more than smoothness of curvature. It adds to the reliability of my display layouts. Because flex track is not "pre-bent" as sectional track is, the rail joints in a curve aren't smooth unless you are very careful. Soldering the joints before bending the track into position helps smooth this connection. Electrically, every rail joint is a place where electrical continuity can be lost. Code 125 rail is big enough to be a good conductor, usually better than the wire that feeds it, but only if it has no gaps. Once the rail is soldered together, there are no gaps. Also, with the rail gaps bonded, you can go a greater distance between additional feeder wires. I've seen a few 4x8 foot N gauge layouts operate with one set of wires feeding the whole layout because the rail joints were soldered. N guage rail is tiny compared to code 125 SHS rail. I'd recommend soldering rail joints for relaibility, particularly on a large layout where access to them for service will be tough later. Stumpy Stone...builder of multiple layouts in scales from Z to G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50569	From: acgtx	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Pressing AF Steamer Drivers on Shafts

Hi I have been repairing/rebuilding several steam locos (290s, 31Xs, 32Xs, 350, etc.). I have been pressing wheels back on the shafts but wonder if there is an optimum position/distance between right and left side wheels that I should be using. I have been pressing to the point where there is about 1/32" lateral play/clearance from left to right on the chassis. This setting still allows for lateral movement of the loco on the rails as the rims of the wheels are narrower than the rails of the track. I have not found this info in any of my reference materials - wondered if there is a preferred setting for best operation. Please comment. Best Regards to All, Art Cooper Richardson, TX

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50570	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: SHS .125 track soldering

Hi all: It seems as though we have had this discussion before. Soldering the rails is great for electrical conductivity, but a question was raised about expansion and contraction of the rails with changes in temperature, especially if one doesn't have the layout in a temperature controlled environment. I assume there aren't too many people in this case, but expansion of soldered rails could cause kinks in the track. I believe someone mentioned that they had gotten kinks because of this (maybe they lived in Arizona??). Of course, there are a few who haven't had problems, so who knows what is best???? regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Stumpy Stone wrote: > > Having worked with flex track in other scales as well, especially the > smaller ones, I solder track joints for electrical conductivity more > than smoothness of curvature. It adds to the reliability of my display > layouts. > Because flex track is not "pre-bent" as sectional track is, the rail > joints in a curve aren't smooth unless you are very careful. Soldering > the joints before bending the track into position helps smooth this > connection. > Electrically, every rail joint is a place where electrical continuity > can be lost. Code 125 rail is big enough to be a good conductor, > usually better than the wire that feeds it, but only if it has no > gaps. Once the rail is soldered together, there are no gaps. Also, > with the rail gaps bonded, you can go a greater distance between > additional feeder wires. > I've seen a few 4x8 foot N gauge layouts operate with one set of wires > feeding the whole layout because the rail joints were soldered. N guage > rail is tiny compared to code 125 SHS rail. > I'd recommend soldering rail joints for relaibility, particularly on a > large layout where access to them for service will be tough later. > Stumpy Stone...builder of multiple layouts in scales from Z to G. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50571	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: So You Want to Build a Model Railroad Movie

FYI The Joe McDoakes Movie was part of a series of shorts called behind the eight ball, starring George O'Hanlon. This one is So You Want to Build a Model Railroad 1955. Alice (Jane Frazee) visits Mr. Agony (Arthur Q. Bryan) with her latest problem with Joe (George O'Hanlon.) They had given Junior a toy railroad for a Christmas present, and Joe had taken it over and become obsessed to the point he has built a railroad empire using all of his time, energy and money. When Alice's mother (Minerva Urecal) comes to dinner, Joe even has a rigged-up train serving as the dumb waiter. Mr. Agony helps Alice solver her problem. I have it on a VHS tape called Toy Trains In Action. Toy Trains in Action - 60 minutes, black/white. Lionel, American Flyer and Dorfan trains in action in television ads, hilarious short films, and various promotions; from the TTHF This black-and-white entry in the Joe McDoakes series from Warner Brothers is a hilarious take on all-consuming passion for toy trains. Lionel "O" Gauge trains gradually fill the McDoakes' home. The ending alone is worth the price of admission. This short played in the TCA Museum at Strasburg for years. One day, a woman in the audience kept saying to herself, "How true." Joe McDoakes is played by George O'Hanlon, also credited as writer. He also wrote for the TV show Petticoat Junction in 1963. He is best known as the voice of George Jetson. (05/09/2005) Al ____________________________________________________________ Save hundreds on Computer Training. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mAUC75LMJC4TfiBtZ88bf4eydKPGEx5lf5iXXqcpTTXdPiL/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50572	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: SHS .125 track soldering

Soldering tracks might be a great way to ensure continiuty, but so far with the n, HO, S, Sn42, O, and G train layouts that I've had and operate at home and with our club (modular) I've never soldered track sections together. What seems also to help is make sure the connectors/pins are clean and have a snug fit on both rails and run feeder wires about every 4 feet. Those things and clean track and wheels work pretty well. I also have found that no layout stays exactly the same for ever so at some point in time you're ripping out track to configure things differently. Guess then I've been glad too not to have soldered sections to undo.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50573	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: train show information

A member of our club is a lawyer and did a brilliant job with us in terms of liability protection. We ran for probably 5 years without doing anything, but later realized that wasn't very smart. I asked him and here's what he recommended - - "I'd recommend incorporation and that members have excess liability insurance (umbrella coverage)". Yep, that sounds familiar as exactly what he did with our club and recommended for each of us to do. Good luck with your first show. We did ours a little bit over 8 years ago and while there were some challenging moments then, (At first our outlets at the show had no power, and then one of our loops had one of those annoying "needle in the haystack" shorts until we sniffed it out with a multi-meter, now we laugh about it all) we have a ball still every time we get together to "build it up, build it up, buttercup baby, just to take it down, take it down, and haul it around."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50574	From: David Engle	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: SHS .125 track soldering

One of our long-departed modelers in the St. Louis area took it to extreme. He did not solder his joints, but ran jumpers around them--down through the track and roadbed, and back up on the other side. . He then nicked the rails every scale 33 ft, and may have even used steel wheels to get realistic noises. He turned most of his axles down to 1/32" dia for better rolling qualities. ----- Original Message ----- From: sgaugian To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS .125 track soldering Soldering tracks might be a great way to ensure continiuty, but so far with the n, HO, S, Sn42, O, and G train layouts that I've had and operate at home and with our club (modular) I've never soldered track sections together. What seems also to help is make sure the connectors/pins are clean and have a snug fit on both rails and run feeder wires about every 4 feet. Those things and clean track and wheels work pretty well. I also have found that no layout stays exactly the same for ever so at some point in time you're ripping out track to configure things differently. Guess then I've been glad too not to have soldered sections to undo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50575	From: Keith Erhart	Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: For Sale!

Hi, Mike, If the book is still available, I am interested in it. Thank you. Keith Erhart ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth A Leahy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale! If any of you collect railroad memorabilia, I have an extra copy of the book: Railroadiana Price Guide for 2000 & Beyond. The book is new and still has the clear wrap protecting it, but is out of print. If you do a search using the above title you will find that this book sells on Amazon (used to new) for $90.00 up to about $890.00. It has 350 pages in a softbound cover (10.8" x 8.3"). This book originally sold for $30.00 new. If interested, I will sell mine for $60.00 plus $5.00 shipping. Otherwise it will probably go on Ebay. Thanks, Mike Leahy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1733 - Release Date: 10/19/2008 6:02 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50576	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: Pressing AF Steamer Drivers on Shafts

I am frequently asked if I have "highrail wheel gauges" for sale, and I always reply, "You already have one in your pocket." A dime is a simple, convenient way to gauge wheels on cars and engines. A dime should drop between the back sides of the two wheels on an axle with very little extra play. It is an almost-perfect fit. <<<<I have been pressing wheels back on the shafts but wonder if there is an optimum position/distance between right and left side wheels that I should be using. I have been pressing to the point where there is about 1/32" lateral play/clearance from left to right on the chassis.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50577	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: Rail Expansion

This can be a real problem on full scale railroads, and has caused several nasty wrecks especially where "welded rail" has been laid. (Real railroads "solder" their track!) :-) As far as having the expansion problem in model railroads, my experiance is that it is quite rare. I have had it only twice. Once on a medium sized HO layout and once on a garden railway, and both times it was on layouts that didn't have soldered joints, so rail expansion can happen anyway. On the HO layout (in the sixties) I was using the old fibre tie flex track and it got damp in the basement! The ties absorbed the moisture and swelled, causing quite a roller coaster. On the garden railway, it was a super hot, drought year here in 1988. During one of the 100+ degree days, the LGB track got so hot that it kinked at a couple of joints and the plastic wheels on a few pieces of rolling stock parked on the patio "flat spotted!" The rail in the shade was even HOT to the touch, after all this was solid brass code 332 rail, a super conductor! If you fear that you'll have this problem, do what the prototype does: They lay a section of rail that is ground to a point like a switch and place two of these in opposite directions held loosly by spikes or track bars to stay in gauge. As the rail expands these "points" slide along each other instead of the rail kinking. You could do the same thing on a model line by using a spread out rail joiner at these expansion joints. Stumpy Stone...still frosty in the Ohio Valley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50578	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: Pressing AF Steamer Drivers on Shafts

Pressing AF Steamer Drivers on Shafts Posted by: "acgtx" acgtx@... acgtx Date: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:13 am ((PDT)) Sounds about right to me. If the wheel is loose, I use brass shim stock, available at ACE hardware, it comes in different thickness, and use it around the axle, without an overlap, and some extending over the end of the axle, and .twist to a point the excess to guide the wheel when pressing on. Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mDcGJyWr0774C93u2T4W7JxOqJekcrUF3WxmsAtVvojGTzF/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50579	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: track soldering

. Re: SHS .125 track soldering Posted by: "Rance and Bente" velapoldi@... velapoldinetcomno Date: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:17 am ((PDT)) In soldering track, always use a short jumper wire, in the shape of a U with solder wings To allow for expansion. .Over time soldered joints have a tendency to brake. And are really miserable when it comes time to take the track apart. 18 ga solid soft copper works good, solder on the outside because of wheel flanges. As the saying go's "cut to fit and paint to match" Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Gain financial freedom! Click here for Financial Advice. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2fnZrvK1qtBjjxnnnI8XvAjrPnUly2mwZNfkNrEShAUOYj/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50580	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: Re: O Flyer

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50581	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: Re: NOT S, but steam & History--last trip of the DQ

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50582	From: charlie and edith	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?

Greetings! Clayton, I built a tunnel for two tracks on a curve and all worked well until I acquired a 944 crane car. The tunnel openings now measure approximately 7x7, with right angle corners instead of arches. They could be even larger as the boom has to be kept low. Something to think about. Good luck and best wishes, Charlie in West Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: uvl97222 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What is the best size for a tunnel opening? Hi all of you! I am making a tunnel on a curve, and would like to know what all of you think the size should be for the opening. H ~ W ? I would like all the flyer trains to clear the top as well. Clayton S. D. Portland OR. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50583	From: charlie and edith	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Field Rewinding

Greetings! For those of you who have rewound a field, do you have any tips /suggestions for doing this? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in West Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50584	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?

As with parallel tracks (how far apart should they be?), it depends on the radius of your curves and what engines/cars you plan on running as well as anticipate that you might. For overhang I'll bet a crane car is a good test, but other ones are AM GG1, AF K5 (the pilot), and AF Northern (forward and backward, the cab roof in reverse juts out quite a lot), for inner hang AM Budds and heavyweights. This sort of thing you some time just have to try it to get it. We all wonder of course what the Big Boy is going to be like and if it will obsolete some track spacing/tunnel openings, including the cocentric curves on my layout. Regardless, I look forward to the opportunity of finding out. Which by the way, when I asked at the Lionel booth at York, will more likely be Feb or March 2009 than December this year.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50585	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding

I recommend having Barker's book and Hannon's book handy. Good to get some tips from them ahead of time. It's been a few years since it did fields and armatures, but if I were to do another this week I'd first re-read their books. Take your time, follow a consistently tight overlapping pattern, and count carefully your turns. Fields are much easier than armatures. Be careful not to kink, scratch, or pull too hard on the wire as you go. If you want someone else to do it, there are folks out there that specialize in this. Last week I got the business card from one that I've seen now several times in the Red Hall at York - - Dave Balts 717-837-1427 (email daba@...). He has an extensive demonstration set up on his table and it looks as though he thoroughly enjoys rewinding, especially Flyer stuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50586	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding

Corrections made to my previous post including phone # for Balts. I recommend having Barker's book and Hannon's book handy. Good to get some tips from them ahead of time. It's been a few years since I did fields and armatures, but if I were to do another this week I'd first re-read their books. Take your time, follow a consistently tight overlapping pattern, and count carefully your turns. Fields are much easier than armatures. Be careful not to kink, scratch, or pull too hard on the wire as you go. If you want someone else to do it, there are folks out there that specialize in this. Last week I got the business card from one that I've seen now several times in the Red Hall at York - - Dave Balts 715-837-1427 at email daba @ chibardun . net - - just remove the blanks I put them in to hopefully fool Yahoo out of its foolishness of truncating all email address. Dave has an extensive demonstration set up on his table and it looks as though he thoroughly enjoys rewinding, especially Flyer stuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50587	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50588	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding

I have done several as well as armatures.  The key with both is to do a neat tight wrap.  The hardest part is keeping track number of wraps.  Leave plenty of extra at the begining and end of the wrap on the field.  You will need to remove the enamel at the ends before soldering.   Steve Lunde --- On Tue, 10/21/08, charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote: From: charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Field Rewinding To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 10:05 PM Greetings! For those of you who have rewound a field, do you have any tips /suggestions for doing this? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in West Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50589	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding

Patience, lots and lots of patience! :) Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> > Greetings! For those of you who have rewound a field, do you have any tips > /suggestions for doing this? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, > Charlie in West Michigan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50590	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: New Member

Hello all, Although new to this group, I'm not new to S-Gauge, especially American Flyer. I met several S-Trains members at the "Flyer Nut" get-together at York in April. At you urging, here I am! I have been reading the postings on S-Gauge for several years and have benefited from that. Many of the threads have helped me with my layout. One of the more current threads has been about the AF caboose with bay windows and off-set cupola. It seems that several of you have seen the real thing in the past, but no photo for proof. Well, I have a photo of this type of caboose, but being new to this board, and not being familiar with the mechanics of posting a picture, I'm not sure how to post the picture. Any help would be appreciated. acgilbertguy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50591	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Bay Window/Copula Caboose

Well folks, I found out one way to post a picture. If you click on "Photos" and go to the album titled "acgilbertguy", you will find the photo of a bay window caboose with off-set copula. I don't know the origin of this picture. Those of you that had seen one in the past, was this the one you saw? I also found a picture of a bay window caboose with a centered cupola. I will add that to my photo album also. acgilbertguy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50592	From: J.Frederick Roberts	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Bay Window/Copula Caboose

Well, so far I can't find it. I've looked at 120 albums, but don't find yours. Perhaps sending a link would help. jfred --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote: > > Well folks, I found out one way to post a picture. If you click > on "Photos" and go to the album titled "acgilbertguy", you will find > the photo of a bay window caboose with off-set copula. I don't know > the origin of this picture. Those of you that had seen one in the > past, was this the one you saw? I also found a picture of a bay window > caboose with a centered cupola. I will add that to my photo album also. > > acgilbertguy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50593	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding - books?

Bakers book and Hannon book What are proper titles and authors and whereare they obtaiable from? Also what is in them? _____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nJgxtVLbtNiw1Ygg1CXwHjs2Rp9skRuxlwcmC0OFoC8E82H/?count=1234567890

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50594	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Bay Window/Copula Caboose

----- Original Message ----- From: J.Frederick Roberts Well, so far I can't find it. I've looked at 120 albums . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > J I think you're starting to catch on. You can't find it. That's the point exactly. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50595	From: Al	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Damage freight cars needed

I am doing some kit-bashing projects and am in need of American Flyer postwar damaged stock cars like 629, 929, etc.; damaged passenger cars; and damaged oil tank cars of any kind (I would prefer the plastic frame type but metal is okay). Don't throw them away, I'll pay you to send them to me. Let me know what you have and I'll get back to you pronto. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50596	From: race944t	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?

When thinking about a tunnel, consider the height of a frontiersman engine. The smokestack on this engine is the tallest in the AF lineup, I think. Wish I had one handy I could measure for you. "Banker" Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "uvl97222" <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Hi all of you! > > I am making a tunnel on a curve, and would like to know what all of you think the size > should be for the opening. H ~ W ? I would like all the flyer trains to clear the top as well. > > > Clayton S. D. Portland OR. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50597	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding - books?

Thomas Barker's book on CD and Bob Hannon's book at Portline Hobbies - - http://www.portlines.com/books.htm <http://www.portlines.com/books.htm> Thomas Barker's book hard copy - - http://tinyurl.com/62jpn2 <http://tinyurl.com/62jpn2> https://www.alibris.com/search/books/isbn/9780897780179 <https://www.alibris.com/search/books/isbn/9780897780179> Another good one is K-line's Complete American Flyer Service Manual (for p/n's and diagrams) - - http://tinyurl.com/6bfgwt <http://tinyurl.com/6bfgwt> I hope the links pasted in OK. Sorry if not, Yahoo is flaky about that. No endorsement of source or statement these are the best prices you can find, but some idea what the books are about and roughly going prices. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50598	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?

My tunnel is 3-15/16 inches high (above the top of the rail in case you have a different type track than me) and 3-5/8 inches wide.  My Franklin and 336 Northern engines both go through it just fine, frontward and backward.  And my #644 Industrial Brownhoist crane car also makes it as long as the boom is low enough. --- On Thu, 10/23/08, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 5:40 AM When thinking about a tunnel, consider the height of a frontiersman engine. The smokestack on this engine is the tallest in the AF lineup, I think. Wish I had one handy I could measure for you. "Banker" Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "uvl97222" <uvl97222@.. .> wrote: > > Hi all of you! > > I am making a tunnel on a curve, and would like to know what all of you think the size > should be for the opening. H ~ W ? I would like all the flyer trains to clear the top as well. > > > Clayton S. D. Portland OR. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50599	From: David Engle	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?

Gee, the last time I had this, I just took the widest and longest car/engine available, ran them through with a finger-width on each side, and determined accordingly. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening? My tunnel is 3-15/16 inches high (above the top of the rail in case you have a different type track than me) and 3-5/8 inches wide. My Franklin and 336 Northern engines both go through it just fine, frontward and backward. And my #644 Industrial Brownhoist crane car also makes it as long as the boom is low enough. --- On Thu, 10/23/08, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 5:40 AM When thinking about a tunnel, consider the height of a frontiersman engine. The smokestack on this engine is the tallest in the AF lineup, I think. Wish I had one handy I could measure for you. "Banker" Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "uvl97222" <uvl97222@.. .> wrote: > > Hi all of you! > > I am making a tunnel on a curve, and would like to know what all of you think the size > should be for the opening. H ~ W ? I would like all the flyer trains to clear the top as well. > > > Clayton S. D. Portland OR. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50600	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!!

Yes prices.  Why make us wait? --- On Sat, 10/18/08, EDWARD ECKERT <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: EDWARD ECKERT <ejenterp@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 4:18 PM Prices?????? ----- Original Message ---- From: "rcon7@bellsouth. net" <rcon7@bellsouth. net> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:25:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!! I am going to post on the net the following items..... Thought I would give you guys first options. 1 Chicago and Alton set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Chicago and Alton 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box 1 Union Pacific 4 car set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Union Pacific 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box 1 New Haven 3 car set set - MIB in OB 1 New Haven pass add on in OB .... Silver Flash 1 Union Pacific Northern - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Union Pacific Northern - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Casey Jones Loco - Almost New AND MANY OTHER ITEMS..... SELLING EXTRAS Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50601	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!!

TO ALL..... I was starting to make a list.... Those were the first few items that popped up.... I wound up with Pnemonia when I came back from Colorado.... 5 trips in two months.... Everything from Driving wild on Colorados dirt roads!!! To messing in caves.... To blowing Glass... To flying almost 3 hours in the DC-3 in the left seat.... WHAT A BLAST..... Going from a 2000# Cessna to a 10+ ton airliner.... So I didn't go to YORK.... So I started messing around the house.... So far I have found another 10+ sets here I didn't remember having.... Found a nice 5 didget NH pass set in a box marked TRACK!!!!.... ALONG WITH LOTSSSSSSS MORE..... I need to thin out some duplicates and triplicates.... I am keepig your inquiries handy and they get first choice on what they expressed interest in.... The list is growing QUICKLY ( Any body need 80 boxes of Happy Meal Toys???? Or Hot wheels???? ) I need the space.... I knew I was getting in trouble when I bought the 24' cargo trailer to put in the backyard for STORAGE.... Bob -------------- Original message from mike rosz <mikenguy9@...>: -------------- Yes prices. Why make us wait? --- On Sat, 10/18/08, EDWARD ECKERT <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: EDWARD ECKERT <ejenterp@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 4:18 PM Prices?????? ----- Original Message ---- From: "rcon7@bellsouth. net" <rcon7@bellsouth. net> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:25:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] BLATENT SALES AD !!!!!! I am going to post on the net the following items..... Thought I would give you guys first options. 1 Chicago and Alton set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Chicago and Alton 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box 1 Union Pacific 4 car set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Union Pacific 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box 1 New Haven 3 car set set - MIB in OB 1 New Haven pass add on in OB .... Silver Flash 1 Union Pacific Northern - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Union Pacific Northern - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Casey Jones Loco - Almost New AND MANY OTHER ITEMS..... SELLING EXTRAS Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50602	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: Field Rewinding - books?

The Barker book is LONG out-of-print, but is now available on a CD. You can use it that way, or print out specific pages or chapters. The CD version has the added benefit of some repair video clips. This reference is a general repair and maintenance "how to do it" guide. It includes a handful of generic parts diagrams for engines, and some accessory hookup instructions, etc. We have it in stock, for $20. The Hannon book is a "spec" book for nearly every AF field, armature, coil, relay, solenoid, etc........exceptionally helpful when testing the "quality" of a wound piece, as well as for rewinding purposes. We have that book in stock also, at $25. <<<Barkers book and Hannon book What are proper titles and authors and whereare they obtaiable from? Also what is in them?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50603	From: Coopers	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: Pressing AF Steamer Drivers on Shafts

Good Evening! I wanted to thank Doug Peck and Jerry Dobbs for their thoughtful comments. Clear track and a good head of steam makes for smooth railroading. Best Regards, Art ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Pressing AF Steamer Drivers on Shafts I am frequently asked if I have "highrail wheel gauges" for sale, and I always reply, "You already have one in your pocket." A dime is a simple, convenient way to gauge wheels on cars and engines. A dime should drop between the back sides of the two wheels on an axle with very little extra play. It is an almost-perfect fit. <<<<I have been pressing wheels back on the shafts but wonder if there is an optimum position/distance between right and left side wheels that I should be using. I have been pressing to the point where there is about 1/32" lateral play/clearance from left to right on the chassis.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50604	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Thanks To Ebay

I know many on the train list either hate or love ebay. For me, I think it is a great tool to find something all over the country for something you need. I just located 20 Life Like HO street lights like the three I have on my layout now made in the 1960's. The quality is so far superior over what is on the market now. So ebay was the tool that lead me to these much needed street lights. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50605	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Che and Hugo

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/982756577/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&count=20&dir=asc Part of my layout includes two Marx figures, that I named Hugo and Che, due to the Citgo sign on my layout from Miller Engineering. Che was kindly given to me by a Steve Eastman of CA, from the TCA list that I belong. Now who said that O gaugers are not good guys or gals. Hugo and Che went along with me on my annual trip in October to Maine. Here is a picture of Che and Hugo with the Acadia National Park sign in Maine. Not many have taken a part of their train layout along with them on a vacation! LOL I also got pictures of Hugo and Che, as Che is first on the board, at a NJ Turnpike reststop, a MA Turnpike reststop, as there was a Pumpkin ride on a flat bed truck, that I got a picture of them with, the state sign for Maine and NH, plus from the hotel we stayed at in NH, you can see the state run liquor state on the NH Turnpike, as I got a picture of them with that too. They wanted to go to that liquor store to load up on cases of gallons of Captain Morgan Rum, but I told them no. The only cases of anything I was getting was cases of canned Maine wild blueberries and I promptly lock them up in the glove box for the rest of the trip. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50606	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?

Bill, As I read your post, I look back and happen to have one sitting on my shelves right here behind me. I'll try to help ole Clayton with a measurement. Let me pull out my trusty dusty Redskins (oops, that's another list) tape measure. Clayton, from the top of the track to the top of the Franklin smokestack, the measurement is 3 7/8". The width of the smokestack is 1 1/4". I hope this helps, Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50607	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks To Ebay

I love eBay! I've bought MANY AF goodies off eBay. Sold a few also. We won't EVEN talk about bass guitars and CDs. !! ;^) Rick. On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > I know many on the train list either hate or love ebay. > > For me, I think it is a great tool to find something all over the > country for something you need. > > I just located 20 Life Like HO street lights like the three I have > on my layout now made in the 1960's. > > The quality is so far superior over what is on the market now. > > So ebay was the tool that lead me to these much needed street lights. > > Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50608	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Simply 1946

I bought a slightly warped 1946 629 MP stock car at York. Why? Dad's first set, which I've recreated, was a 1946 set with a 310, 625, 630, and 632 Virginian. For those of you in TCA, I have written some articles on dad's caboose and other 1946 oddities. I noticed last night the link coupler pins on 1946 cars are blackened like the 1946 t-rail. Interesting. The best part of this tale at the moment is that last night I put the 629 in my current 1946 consist, and ran it for a long while. So simple. This was what AC had in mind when he got into the whole train world. The 310 does not smoke or choo-choo (and boy is it easy to work on!) It had been running badly, so I cleaned the metal tender pick up wheels and sprayed some electronic cleaner on the cummutator of the loco. One would have thought it just came off the assembly line! So, that was my 1946 remembrance last evening. I hope the simplicity of these toys takes many of you back as often as possible as well! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50609	From: D. Winslow	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks To Ebay

Add my name to the pro-Ebay list. The buyer must of course beware, as in any purchase, especially a used purchase, especially again a sight unseen used purchase. but given those potential problems, Ebay makes the best of things. I personally have had few problems, no real victimization, in a couple hundred transactions, several of which where S-train related (track, switches, an engine, a whole set). Dave W. > > > I love eBay! > I've bought MANY AF goodies off eBay. > Sold a few also. > > We won't EVEN talk about bass guitars and CDs. !! ;^) > > Rick. > > On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > I know many on the train list either hate or love ebay. > > > > For me, I think it is a great tool to find something all over the > > country for something you need. > > > > I just located 20 Life Like HO street lights like the three I have > > on my layout now made in the 1960's. > > > > The quality is so far superior over what is on the market now. > > > > So ebay was the tool that lead me to these much needed street lights. > > > > Mike Marmer > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50610	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks To Ebay

Rick, I have gotten CD's off of Ebay plus many other things beside collectables, as in trains, milk bottles, scouting items. Ebay is a great tool overall. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thanks To Ebay I love eBay! I've bought MANY AF goodies off eBay. Sold a few also. We won't EVEN talk about bass guitars and CDs. !! ;^) Rick. On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > I know many on the train list either hate or love ebay. > > For me, I think it is a great tool to find something all over the > country for something you need. > > I just located 20 Life Like HO street lights like the three I have > on my layout now made in the 1960's. > > The quality is so far superior over what is on the market now. > > So ebay was the tool that lead me to these much needed street lights. > > Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50611	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Re: Simply 1946

thanks Ben. I had one of thosse 1946 trains also, but with the 312 engine. Mine never ran around the tree as it was on a board, in the basement, leaning against the wall. _____________________________________________________________ Click to find information on your credit score and your credit report. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m2PcXuHu0rp0HuAj7iiyQcNbQ2v1AmeAgHimwLKhixhZXej/?count=1234567890

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50612	From: cornwall9	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: AF Replacement boxes

I was at the York,Pa TCA show last week and while there I saw some vendors with "new" American Flyer car and loco boxes. Does anyone know of a source for replacement boxes, either original or reproduction. My daughter just inherited a collection of Flyer from her Godfather. Most of the equipment is unboxed and in need of cleaning. It sat in a damp, must basement almost 8 months after he passed away. I would like to keep the equipment clean and dry when I store them. Any help will be appreciated, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50613	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Replacement boxes

Nick, Doug Peck sells the repro boxes for Flyer on his website. Red/white as well as the blue/yellow. Looks just like the original. Does the job and not near as expensive as originals with rips etc, that you see from time to time. Barry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "cornwall9" <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > I was at the York,Pa TCA show last week and while there I saw some > vendors with "new" American Flyer car and loco boxes. Does anyone know > of a source for replacement boxes, either original or reproduction. My > daughter just inherited a collection of Flyer from her Godfather. Most > of the equipment is unboxed and in need of cleaning. It sat in a damp, > must basement almost 8 months after he passed away. I would like to > keep the equipment clean and dry when I store them. > > Any help will be appreciated, > Nick Kulp >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50614	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/24/2008
Subject: Re: GG-1 Question

Dear Mike: I did not see any posted photos but it sounds like an Imfeld GG-1. These were manufactured in about 1985. D.M. Imfeld built a bunch of these and promptly exited the locomotive business. Mine ran well. They were heavy as a brick and would haul stumps. Mine would only stay on the rails if I ran it one way. The shell was heavy and epoxy. It was painted in the single-strip PRR scheme, green or red. (Mine was green.) I sold it years ago to someone who wanted a solid puller. He is a true highrailer. (I can never make up my mind so I want a scale model.) It is much cruder than the AM GG-1 which was produced later. The AM GG-1 weighs a fraction of the Imfeld so it can not pull as many AF aluminum passenger cars. (I normally pulled eight.) I highly doubt you can find shells for your models. If I had these mechanisms, I would rebuild them into NH box cabs as these can be built from sheet plastic. (Remember, the GG-1 is a GE / NH box cab with a streamlined cab.) If you decide you do not want them, let me know. Thorin 4b. Re: GG-1 Question Posted by: "mikejoan45@..." mikejoan45@... mike_fuschetto Date: Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:18 pm ((PDT)) Hi Everyone, I have a question for the group I am looking for two " GG-1 " shells in S gauge . Did anyone make this item ?...I have two GG-1 frames , they are made of brass .. with two pittman motors in each one.. they have A.C. Gilbert reverse units, bridge AC/DC rectifiers, Gilbert diesel trucks, and hand made pony and trailing trucks out of Gilbert equipment with solid knuckle couplers.. They measure 13 inches long ... 16 inches to the tip of the couplers.. Is this a brass Kit ? or something someone put together ..I have never seen them before and they are missing the shells .. thx for your help. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50615	From: Jim King	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Southern Ry "waffle box" in S scale now ready

The long-awaited S scale Southern Ry. 50' "waffle" boxcar will be start shipping on Thursday, 10/30. You can look at the pilot model pix and description, with kit ordering options and prices, at this link: http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/southernWaffle.html Pre-paid orders will be filled first, followed by dealer orders. For those of you who've verbally (via email) committed to buying this kit, please honor your reservation as I've produced enough castings fill all orders plus some extras. Note that the Barber 70- and 100-ton trucks will also be available separately, as will the VERY detailed decals (price to be determined). You can look at the Barber 100-ton truck page by linking to it from the waffle box page. 70-ton trucks are not shown (yet) as I've been focusing on getting the car into production after many delays. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50616	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant commercialism - APL 40' reefer containers...

I have been bugging Rick of Tonkin Replicas ever since they produced the boxcar red 40� corrugated 1/64 containers about including us in some of the private roads they were making for the fleet operators. Well Rick has come through.....see link below. Best regards, Don SHS http://www.showcaseline.com/OtherProducts/APLReeferTrailers.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50617	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Caboose with Bay Windows and Off-set Cupola

Anyone interested in seeing a picture of a real caboose with bay windows and an off-set cupola try: http://trainweb.org/mopac/mp999-Dodsen-MO-1950.jpg Not exactly like the AF caboose, but the same general idea.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50618	From: Richard Lind	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: 1:64 Trucks, Farm Animals

Farm implement dealers have some attractive trucks for S scale. Most are modern, but I found some gems by Ertl at the local John Deere dealer today: Circa 1956 Mack Model B (headlights in fenders)semi with flatbed trailer and two John Deere 20 Series industrial (yellow) tractors $17.75 1955 Chevy "Cameo" pickup and John Deere Model 80 tractor $8.00 1950 Chevy flatbed truck with a Styled Model A tractor $9.75 bag of soft plastic farm animals, including:10 horses, 12 cows, 4 pigs, a rooster and a hen on a single base (six of these), 4 geese and one dog for 3.00. The local Case-International dealer didn't have so much to choose from, but they had the 1950 Chevy flatbed truck with a Farmall Model M tractor, also for $9.75.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50619	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: York, October 2008

Could someone that attended York this month give a brief account on how it was? Did attendance seem to be down any? Were there many empty tables? Were the usual Flyer vendors there? How were the prices? Anything of special interest to report from the "Flyer Nut" meeting at the Reliance Fire hall on Thursday? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50620	From: Glenn	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Re: York, October 2008

York on Thursday was a little slow. The aisles were not as crowded and one could move about easily. I was surprised that about 30% of the members seemed to be selling or at least displaying American Flyer. Gary Clark, John Vanacore, Dave Blum, Joe Haenn, Fred Jester and other regulars were there as was Don Thompson. I did not go to the Flyer Nut this year. Perhaps others will add their 2 cents. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertguy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 17:12 Subject: [S-Trains] York, October 2008 Could someone that attended York this month give a brief account on how it was? Did attendance seem to be down any? Were there many empty tables? Were the usual Flyer vendors there? How were the prices? Anything of special interest to report from the "Flyer Nut" meeting at the Reliance Fire hall on Thursday? Thanks. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50621	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: A Couple of messages approved, missing and lost in the abiss.

If you just posted messages in the last hour and they did not come through please post them again. I know one was about the York meet report. I know I approved them but they did not show up. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50622	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/26/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50623	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Electronics Source

This may be old news to many of you. I've come across a source for just about everything electronic - much of it beyond my knowledge level, yet a lot of it can be adapted for use in our hobby. Here is their website/catalog: http://www.allelectonics.com I prefer their regular old paper catalog for easier browsing, but on-line orders are quick. I'm not sure, but it sounds like some of these parts are used, probably from stripped equipment or odd lots from suppliers. Prices seem reasonable to me. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50624	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Bay Window Caboose

Ladies and Gentlemen, A while ago there was some discussion concerning a bay window caboose. Well, I actually photographed one today. Let me tell you about it. My wife bought tickets to take her niece, niece's husband, and her grand nephew on the (blatant ad warning) Autumn Leaf Rambler Special, presented by the Old Dominion Chapter of the NHRS and run on the Buckingham Branch Railroad from Dillwyn to Bremo Bluff, Virginia. I was supposed to play in a family golf tournament, which was cancelled due to inclement weather, but was afforded the pleasure of accompanying them on the trip. While the weather wasn't perfect, the ride certainly was, and our grand nephew, Hunter Underhill was thrilled with it. He's almost 3, but knows about trains. That brings me to the photos, which I have placed in an album in the gallery entitled "Autumn leaf Rambler ODC-NHRS". Take a look, see if this could be worth modeling. Have fun, we did, Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50625	From: race944t	Date: 10/25/2008
Subject: Re: York, October 2008

Blue hall had some empty tables, the crowds seemed down just a touch, but I was shocked at my sales. This was the second best York I've ever had (7 years of both spring & fall). Maybe I just took the right stuff, I don't know. I didn't sell but one big ticket item but there were a lot of $200 and less sales. Most of the usual vendors were there and comments of people who came by my table were "There sure is a lot of Flyer stuff here." I didn't change my prices (up or down) for York. We are in a reverse economics industry here. Supply is getting bigger because none of us are getting any younger. More stuff is coming on the market as estates are liquidated. Demand is getting less pretty much for the same reason. Live long enough and you will own all the Flyer ever made at this rate. I didn't make the Flyer Nut meeting (may Bob rest in peace) so you will have to get other posts on that. "Banker" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote: > > Could someone that attended York this month give a brief account on how > it was? Did attendance seem to be down any? Were there many empty > tables? Were the usual Flyer vendors there? How were the prices? > Anything of special interest to report from the "Flyer Nut" meeting at > the Reliance Fire hall on Thursday? Thanks. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50626	From: G C	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Caboose with Bay Windows and Off-set Cupola

Frankly I'm jealous! I searched for many moons looking for a good example of this unidentified flying caboose. I guess this vindicates Stumpy who never lost faith and insisted that they actually existed. I suppose now I'm forced to find out why this particular caboose existed. I'm just the curious type.Thanks so much for sharing with the rest of us.   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50627	From: al paolozzi	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout

I have been searching for an article I read on construction of a hinged access to an aisle on a layout. I thought i ran across this article in a past issue of Classic Toy Trains. HELP!!!! Anyone recall which issue, if it was CTT? Thanks in advance. Al Paolozzi amflyral@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50628	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Electronics Source

Jim Ensign wrote: > This may be old news to many of you. I've come across a source for just > about everything > electronic - much of it beyond my knowledge level, yet a lot of it can > be adapted for use in > our hobby. Here is their website/catalog: http://www.allelectonics.com > <http://www.allelectonics.com> I buy from them all of the time for oddball projects. A lot of it is manufacture surplus and close outs but perfectly good and often new. On another note, my wife and I were over at Lowes Home Improvement earlier today and she dragged me to the Christmas decorations aisles. I saw a bunch of miniature street lights and other goodies that look reasonably close to scale. I'm going back tomorrow and take my scale ruler with me to see if they have anything else that can be used in a layout. They also had some really cool animated circus rides but I think they may be a bit large for S-scale. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50629	From: race944t	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Detailed wiring diagrams

As I was working on my junker 752A and trying to figure out why the coil had 3 wires coming out of it, I turned to the ever informative S- Trains list, did a quick inquiry and found my answer. But, in the process I began to think and wonder if a book of internal wiring diagrams has ever been produced for Gilbert operating accessories, cars, etc. I could have answered my 3 wire field question by referencing the excellent reference manual produced by Bob Hannon. I can not even begin to imagine the time and labor it took to produce that book with all the massive information on components. Mind you, I'm not looking for the much published "how to hook it up and run it" wiring diagrams, but much more in depth. So, somewhere between the wonderful component specs of Bob Hannon's book and the simple hook it up and run it diagrams lies what I seek. Does anyone know if such a reference book exists. If not is it something needed by anyone but uninformed me? Oh, if anyone needs it, I now have a sketch of the wiring of a 752A Seaboard Coal Loader as well as the standard smoke-in-tender unit. "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50630	From: Bill Drake	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Detailed wiring diagrams

Bill-   I have been working on this book for some time. My intention is to include information from the hook up sheets ("M" numbers, the service manual, and reverse engineering where necessary to provide wiring schematic details and in some cases restringing details as well. Where possible some "how to" information for dismantling and reassembling is also to be included.   In the meantime - when these questions come up, please ask. It gives me insight as to what information is needed.   Bill Drake --- On Sat, 10/25/08, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Detailed wiring diagrams To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 9:59 PM As I was working on my junker 752A and trying to figure out why the coil had 3 wires coming out of it, I turned to the ever informative S- Trains list, did a quick inquiry and found my answer. But, in the process I began to think and wonder if a book of internal wiring diagrams has ever been produced for Gilbert operating accessories, cars, etc. I could have answered my 3 wire field question by referencing the excellent reference manual produced by Bob Hannon. I can not even begin to imagine the time and labor it took to produce that book with all the massive information on components. Mind you, I'm not looking for the much published "how to hook it up and run it" wiring diagrams, but much more in depth. So, somewhere between the wonderful component specs of Bob Hannon's book and the simple hook it up and run it diagrams lies what I seek. Does anyone know if such a reference book exists. If not is it something needed by anyone but uninformed me? Oh, if anyone needs it, I now have a sketch of the wiring of a 752A Seaboard Coal Loader as well as the standard smoke-in-tender unit. "Banker" Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50631	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Caboose with Bay Windows and Off-set Cupola

Thanks for the kind words from Gene Cimino about finding the picture and vindicating Mr. Stumpy. Undoubtedly, he knew what he saw, just couldn't prove it. I too had done a lot of searching for such a picture and can't take all the credit for finding it. The story is this: A friend of mine is a Lionel and HO guy. He has yet to see the light about the best gauge/scale being "S". Anyway, he calls me the other day and tells me there is an HO brass caboose on the e---y internet auction site and it had bay windows and an off-set cupola. I told him that didn't prove a real one like that ever existed. He said that was probably no so, in that HO scale brass guys usually only create a model after a known item, down to the last rivit. The brass HO caboose had MP 999 on the side, so I did an internet search on MP 999 and the first item that came up was the picture I listed in the link on my previous post. Now if we could just find a picture of an real exploding box car....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50632	From: clayton deich	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?

Thank you to all of you that help me get this right the first time! You are the best, and we should of all worked for old A.C. Gilbert! Cheers! Clayton ~ out here in the Oregon territory. --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Crpntr12449@... <Crpntr12449@...> wrote: > From: Crpntr12449@... <Crpntr12449@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 5:35 PM > Bill, > As I read your post, I look back and happen to have one > sitting on my > shelves right here behind me. I'll try to help ole > Clayton with a measurement. > Let me pull out my trusty dusty Redskins (oops, that's > another list) tape > measure. Clayton, from the top of the track to the top of > the Franklin smokestack, > the measurement is 3 7/8". The width of the > smokestack is 1 1/4". I hope > this helps, > > > Carlton > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50633	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/26/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50634	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening?

My tunnel openings are 4 3/8" high above the rails x 4" wide and offset slightly to the inside for the curves theye are on.... Never tried to run a Franklin... But the long HW's clear fine..... Bob -------------- Original message from "David Engle" <RIRocket@...>: -------------- Gee, the last time I had this, I just took the widest and longest car/engine available, ran them through with a finger-width on each side, and determined accordingly. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening? My tunnel is 3-15/16 inches high (above the top of the rail in case you have a different type track than me) and 3-5/8 inches wide. My Franklin and 336 Northern engines both go through it just fine, frontward and backward. And my #644 Industrial Brownhoist crane car also makes it as long as the boom is low enough. --- On Thu, 10/23/08, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: From: race944t <race944t@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What is the best size for a tunnel opening? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 5:40 AM When thinking about a tunnel, consider the height of a frontiersman engine. The smokestack on this engine is the tallest in the AF lineup, I think. Wish I had one handy I could measure for you. "Banker" Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "uvl97222" <uvl97222@.. .> wrote: > > Hi all of you! > > I am making a tunnel on a curve, and would like to know what all of you think the size > should be for the opening. H ~ W ? I would like all the flyer trains to clear the top as well. > > > Clayton S. D. Portland OR. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50635	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bay Window/Copula Caboose

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "J.Frederick Roberts" <jfred436@...> wrote: > > Well, so far I can't find it. I've looked at 120 albums, but don't > find yours. Perhaps sending a link would help. > > jfred > > jfred, Give it another try. The picture of the bay window caboose with the off-set copula is now in the Photos section in the folder "acgilbertguy". I also posted a picture of a bay window caboose with a centered copula. Currently these pictures can also be viewed by clicking at the top of the home page where it lists photos posted in the past seven days. acgilbertguy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50636	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Hinged access to Layout

Hello Al, Although your subject line said, "hinged lift-up for access", your message just mentioned hinged access, so I thought I would send you a link to a CTT's sister publication, Model Railroader, article from April 2007 that discusses a hinged "swinging gate" type of access: http://www.trains.com/mrr/objects/pdf/e0407_bonus.pdf I also have a entrance problem in my planned layout room. If I don't have a lift-up, lift-out or swinging bridge on a portion of any proposed layout, my trackage will be severely limited, and a duck-under is out of the question. I saw a clever use of a hinged, lift-up, repro Hellgate Bridge on a modular toy train layout at the Costa Mess TTOS convention used to gain access into the center of the layout for the operators. Just two gate-type hinges screwed to one side of the bridge and painted to match. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR Al Paolozzi wrote: I have been searching for an article I read on construction of a hinged access to an aisle on a layout. I thought i ran across this article in a past issue of Classic Toy Trains. HELP!!!! Anyone recall which issue, if it was CTT? Thanks in advance. Al Paolozzi amflyral@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50637	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: found a brass 172 right handed swtich with fiber ties for sale or tr

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/AvailableSgauge/photos/view/e585?b=4 Picture on available for sale aztecfan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50638	From: Scale S Only	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Interesting load

Gives new meaning to the giraffe cars... Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ Full urls: http://content. lib.washington. edu/cdm-desmo/ item_viewer. php?CISOROOT= /imlsmohai& CISOPTR=2639& CISOBOX=1& REC=8 http://content. lib.washington. edu/cdm-desmo/ item_viewer. php?CISOROOT= /imlsmohai& CISOPTR=1840& CISOBOX=1& REC=7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50639	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: SWITCH COVERS NEEDED

Hi, i am looking for top hat covers for type-I switches, i need about 8 of them, you can contact me at lglumac@...       thanks lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50640	From: william cole	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: York, October 2008

TCA York was good....I think there was more S Scale/gauge items on tables than ever before...even some scale DC items were on tables! a bunhc of used (well loved?) Great Northern painted items at one of the dealers in the Toyota Center (Orance Hall)...some good blowouts from the Mega Dealers (AF-Lionel cranes for $35.00)....S-Helper Service was in attendance as usualwith their operating layout and display of their full product line.� Bill Parr had a bunch of tables with AF, AM and SHS�(He'll be at the Allentown, PA First Frost show in a few weekends), and parts dealers....prices were all over the place (I am not an AF/Gilbert�collector...I just look for good�deals....on Scale DC stuff that is...)... Lionel even had an S scale train running on their display layout on a circle of track, but RUNNING, not standing still!!! there wer probably more dealers there, a busy week since York, still trying to catch up on sleep as I commuted to the show both days from just south of Philadelphia.....well worth the trip, as was the NASG in Lowell.....now to find a late Friday night flight into St. Louis in 2009!!!!! as for attendance, as I cannot get off a full day during the week, Thursdays are impossible for me to get to, so I go Friday mornigns, commute back to work, then go back on Saturday...they announced the attendance figures....but I have forgotten them....all 2 half days and a full day has done is to increase dealers expenses (hotel, meals) and spread sales over a 3 day period instead of a 2 day period....I liked it better when Saturday hours were briefly extended to 4pm, then�I could attend one day and save a half tank of fuel!!!! � Oh well.... Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Sat, 10/25/08, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> Subject: [S-Trains] York, October 2008 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 5:12 PM Could someone that attended York this month give a brief account on how it was? Did attendance seem to be down any? Were there many empty tables? Were the usual Flyer vendors there? How were the prices? Anything of special interest to report from the "Flyer Nut" meeting at the Reliance Fire hall on Thursday? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50641	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: FOR SALE

FOR SALE,  #282 ENGINE  $60  #652 VG+         $90  #651,655,655 VG+ ,RED  $110 THESES ARE VERY NICE CARS,  you can contact me off list at  lglumac@...   thanks lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50642	From: race944t	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: 752 or 752A shed needed

I need a metal shed for a 752/752A Seaboard loader. I have come by a loader that works great, it just doesn't have the shed. Must be one of those mid-west versions where a twister took it away. If you have a shed from a junker please let me know the price. Also, if you happen to know if this shed was used on other accessories I would appreciate that tip. Thanks! "Banker" Bill (Re-post per instructions of moderator)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50643	From: jim patterson	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Detailed wiring diagrams

Hi! I went into the "Yahoo" search mod for "American flyer 752A". It can up with a repair clinic site clinic #32 identified the A/F 752 & A wiring diagram. Good Luck "S" Forever! --- On Sat, 10/25/08, race944t <race944t@...> wrote: > From: race944t <race944t@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Detailed wiring diagrams > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 6:59 PM > As I was working on my junker 752A and trying to figure out > why the > coil had 3 wires coming out of it, I turned to the ever > informative S- > Trains list, did a quick inquiry and found my answer. But, > in the > process I began to think and wonder if a book of internal > wiring > diagrams has ever been produced for Gilbert operating > accessories, > cars, etc. > > I could have answered my 3 wire field question by > referencing the > excellent reference manual produced by Bob Hannon. I can > not even > begin to imagine the time and labor it took to produce that > book with > all the massive information on components. > > Mind you, I'm not looking for the much published > "how to hook it up > and run it" wiring diagrams, but much more in depth. > So, somewhere > between the wonderful component specs of Bob Hannon's > book and the > simple hook it up and run it diagrams lies what I seek. > Does anyone > know if such a reference book exists. If not is it > something needed > by anyone but uninformed me? > > Oh, if anyone needs it, I now have a sketch of the wiring > of a 752A > Seaboard Coal Loader as well as the standard > smoke-in-tender unit. > > "Banker" Bill Clark > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50644	From: Chuck Bukauskas	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout

try: Basic Model Railroad Benchwork, The Complete Photo Guilde By Jeff Wilson Kalmbach Books 2002 Pgs 89-91 ________________________________ From: al paolozzi <amflyral@...> To: S-Trains@... Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:43:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout I have been searching for an article I read on construction of a hinged access to an aisle on a layout. I thought i ran across this article in a past issue of Classic Toy Trains. HELP!!!! Anyone recall which issue, if it was CTT? Thanks in advance. Al Paolozzi amflyral@teknett. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50645	From: gettysburg9	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Pilot wheels spring Question:

A basic inquiry from a neophyte. How critical is the spring on the pilot wheels of 312's etc.? If it is super weak or missing, would that cause a de-railment when going across thrown original AF switches? I have a sweet 312, but it is cranky when going across some of my switches which have been thrown. I noticed the spring on the pilot wheels is doing nothing as far as tension. It is just limp. Just wondering if that is my problem (which I believe it is). If so, I will pick up several at Allentown. Also, I imagine one has to "thread" or wind the new spring around the shaft in order to intall it. Thanks guys. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50646	From: al paolozzi	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Hinged access to Layout

Hi Alan, I guess I did not make myself clear. I have a U shaped layout and want to connect trackwork across the two legs and have it hinged so I do not have to duck under. How have you been? Is the 290 that you bought from me years ago still running? Regards, Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan and Sherry Bennett To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hinged access to Layout Hello Al, Although your subject line said, "hinged lift-up for access", your message just mentioned hinged access, so I thought I would send you a link to a CTT's sister publication, Model Railroader, article from April 2007 that discusses a hinged "swinging gate" type of access: http://www.trains.com/mrr/objects/pdf/e0407_bonus.pdf I also have a entrance problem in my planned layout room. If I don't have a lift-up, lift-out or swinging bridge on a portion of any proposed layout, my trackage will be severely limited, and a duck-under is out of the question. I saw a clever use of a hinged, lift-up, repro Hellgate Bridge on a modular toy train layout at the Costa Mess TTOS convention used to gain access into the center of the layout for the operators. Just two gate-type hinges screwed to one side of the bridge and painted to match. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR Al Paolozzi wrote: I have been searching for an article I read on construction of a hinged access to an aisle on a layout. I thought i ran across this article in a past issue of Classic Toy Trains. HELP!!!! Anyone recall which issue, if it was CTT? Thanks in advance. Al Paolozzi amflyral@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50647	From: race944t	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Seaboard loader shed needed

I need a metal shed for a 752/752A Seaboard loader. I have come by a loader that works great, it just doesn't have the shed. Must be one of those mid-west versions where a twister took it away. If you have a shed from a junker please let me know the price. If anyone knows if this shed is used on other operating accessories I would appreciate that tip as well so I can expand my search. Thanks! "Banker" Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50648	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bay Window/Copula Caboose

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "J.Frederick Roberts" <jfred436@> > wrote: > > > > Well, so far I can't find it. I've looked at 120 albums, but don't > > find yours. Perhaps sending a link would help. > > > > jfred > > > > > > jfred: Try the link that is in my 25 October post (post #50617), not the photo section. Sorry for the confusion.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50649	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:

Yep! Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 10/26/2008 6:54:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gettysburg@... writes: A basic inquiry from a neophyte. How critical is the spring on the pilot wheels of 312's etc.? If it is super weak or missing, would that cause a de-railment when going across thrown original AF switches? I have a sweet 312, but it is cranky when going across some of my switches which have been thrown. I noticed the spring on the pilot wheels is doing nothing as far as tension. It is just limp. Just wondering if that is my problem (which I believe it is). If so, I will pick up several at Allentown. Also, I imagine one has to "thread" or wind the new spring around the shaft in order to intall it. Thanks guys. Paul **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50650	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: For sale: nice set of C-6/C-7 orange stripe 96x streamliners

Pictures and info on my website:   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale_Carol_Gilbert_passengers.html   The page also shows some nice aluminum 66x streamliners and other passenger cars for sale.   Make offer on individual cars or the whole batch, whatever you want!!!   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50651	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Hinged access to Layout

Hi Al:   Our club, Golden Spike American Flyer, use a bridge that is hinged to permit people to move into and out of the center of the setup.  I don't have any pictures with it open, but I could take a picture this weekend when we are running our trains at the Wasatch Rails Train Show in Salt Lake City.  We have some pictures and video on our website of what it looks like not open at www.GSAFTC.com.   Len --- On Sun, 10/26/08, al paolozzi <amflyral@...> wrote: From: al paolozzi <amflyral@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hinged access to Layout To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 7:24 PM Hi Alan, I guess I did not make myself clear. I have a U shaped layout and want to connect trackwork across the two legs and have it hinged so I do not have to duck under. How have you been? Is the 290 that you bought from me years ago still running? Regards, Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan and Sherry Bennett To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hinged access to Layout Hello Al, Although your subject line said, "hinged lift-up for access", your message just mentioned hinged access, so I thought I would send you a link to a CTT's sister publication, Model Railroader, article from April 2007 that discusses a hinged "swinging gate" type of access: http://www.trains com/mrr/objects/ pdf/e0407_ bonus.pdf I also have a entrance problem in my planned layout room. If I don't have a lift-up, lift-out or swinging bridge on a portion of any proposed layout, my trackage will be severely limited, and a duck-under is out of the question. I saw a clever use of a hinged, lift-up, repro Hellgate Bridge on a modular toy train layout at the Costa Mess TTOS convention used to gain access into the center of the layout for the operators. Just two gate-type hinges screwed to one side of the bridge and painted to match. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR Al Paolozzi wrote: I have been searching for an article I read on construction of a hinged access to an aisle on a layout. I thought i ran across this article in a past issue of Classic Toy Trains. HELP!!!! Anyone recall which issue, if it was CTT? Thanks in advance. Al Paolozzi amflyral@teknett. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50652	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:

Paul- I've found that spring to be almost necessary for my 287 and 283 pacifics. I recommend the stiffer springs from Dave at LBR Enterprises. I also like his e-unit reverse fingers. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> > A basic inquiry from a neophyte. How critical is the spring on the > pilot wheels of 312's etc.? If it is super weak or missing, would that > cause a de-railment when going across thrown original AF switches? I > have a sweet 312, but it is cranky when going across some of my > switches which have been thrown. I noticed the spring on the pilot > wheels is doing nothing as far as tension. It is just limp. Just > wondering if that is my problem (which I believe it is). If so, I will > pick up several at Allentown. Also, I imagine one has to "thread" or > wind the new spring around the shaft in order to intall it. Thanks guys. > > Paul > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50653	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:

oes the spring is important to prevent derails and you re again correct that it can be wond onto the rivit. Happy Railroading. TOm -----Original Message----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:40 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pilot wheels spring Question: Yep! Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 10/26/2008 6:54:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gettysburg@... writes: A basic inquiry from a neophyte. How critical is the spring on the pilot wheels of 312's etc.? If it is super weak or missing, would that cause a de-railment when going across thrown original AF switches? I have a sweet 312, but it is cranky when going across some of my switches which have been thrown. I noticed the spring on the pilot wheels is doing nothing as far as tension. It is just limp. Just wondering if that is my problem (which I believe it is). If so, I will pick up several at Allentown. Also, I imagine one has to "thread" or wind the new spring around the shaft in order to intall it. Thanks guys. Paul **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50654	From: John Foley	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: S Stonework

Hi Folks Here is a company I found on the web that produces some really nice stone walls. Check Them out at New England Brown Stone. http://www.nebrownstone.com/ John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50655	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Trying to reach Phil Dunlop on a LokSound question

Phil, Would you please email me off line. I have a LokSound question regarding an SHS F3 ABA set I recently purchased. Thanks, Jack Riely **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50656	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Trying to reach Phil Dunlop on a LokSound question

Jack; you've got mail. phil --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jnr59@... wrote: > > Phil, > Would you please email me off line. I have a LokSound question regarding an > SHS F3 ABA set I recently purchased. > > Thanks, > > Jack Riely > **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, > no registration required and great graphics â€" check it out! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol? redir= > http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50657	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Pilot wheels spring Question:

My young nephews are having the same trouble with their 302s. I need to look them over and figure out how to put said spring in there. Currently, I think one has a weak spring, while the other one is missing altogether. They derail on the AF switches as well. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50658	From: Al	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout

The Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club in northern Utah has had a hinged gate for access to the inside of our modular layout for 10 years. The original Idea came from the Golden Gate American Flyer Club in San Francisco. Our construction wizard, Len Hall, made a major improvement with a new modular gate last year for our club.  If anyone or any club would like to know how this was built, Email me and we will put together some plans, specs, parts list, and photos for you.    Our modules are 70 inches long and 36 inches wide.  You can take our plans and modify them for your size modules. Give us about 3 to 4 weeks to do since we are going to the Wasatch Rails 2008 Train Show in Salt Lake City this coming Friday, Oct. 31st, Saturday, Nov. 1st and Sunday, Nov. 2nd.  We will also make a short video showing how well this gate works. We are very satisfied and it has worked great at every show we go to.   Al Rawdon President, Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club Layton, Utah   PS - Visit our website at:   www.gsaftc.com   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50659	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout

Al,   Over the past 17 years in this house, I have built at least 5 different "moveable" layout accesses. My first one was a gate, as I had great success with one in my previous house. Unfortunately, this house had a humidity problem and the gate became a source of problems as the layout would react and expand or contract with the seasons. I replaced the gate with a drop-in bridge. I also purchased a dehumidifier to try to correct the humidity problem. At first, it appeared to work but after a year it too started to have problems. The final attempt was a hidged lift-up bridge. that was the worst solution I tried. It was very easy to use but the electrical interlocking mechanism would misalign and fail. That killed power to the approaches and the gate. It would start out fine but half-way through an op session with 12-15 operators, the interlock would fail and trains would come to a screeching halt when trying to cross the bridge. The session would stop while I attempted to fix the problem.   I finally dismantled the layout after 11 years of operation and mixed fun and tears. I am in the process of building a new layout. From my gate experience, I have learned one important thing. Make sure the two sections you plan to connect with a gate, bridge, or anything else will be firmly anchored and stable. The new layout will have a gate. The difference will be that there will be two "columns" to support the gate. The columns are 8" X 8". They are anchored into the concrete floor and into a header connected to the floor joists. The gate has two 4" heavy-duty hinges and they are screwed into 2" X 2" stablizers inside the columns and attached to the gate front panel. If this gate moves, it will mean we have had an earthquake. I have hung on the gate to test it's stability and it easily supports my weight and I am no lightweight. The gate is 32" long and 8" wide. It supports three tracks at one level. I model in HO scale so the alignment is very critical. The layout will also have a second deck with my American Flyers running when I feel like enjoying them. The room is 24' X 48' and the only portion of the area that is not part of the layout is my 12' X 32' woodshop.   I'd be happy to post photos of the gate plus the double-deck gate of a friend's gate that inspired this version.   Regards, Nick Kulp I have been searching for an article I read on construction of a hinged access to an aisle on a layout.  I thought i ran across this article in a past issue of Classic Toy Trains.   HELP!!!!    Anyone recall which issue, if it was CTT?     Thanks in advance.    Al Paolozzi    amflyral@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50660	From: Ted Walton	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Electronics Source - pop-up banners

I not sure I would want to do business with this company. I visited them twice and after I closed out their web page, each time I found two unrelated pop-up banners on my screen. Also as you search through there options, you can't tell where you are or who your dealing with. I'm glad I didn't allow them to set a cookie on my computer. Ted At 06:37 AM 10/27/2008, you wrote: Electronics Source Posted by: "George Cohn" <mailto:gwcohn@...?Subject= Re%3A%20Electronics%20Source>gwcohn@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/gwescoyh>gwescoyh Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:57 am (PDT) Jim Ensign wrote: > This may be old news to many of you. I've come across a source for just about everything > electronic - much of it beyond my knowledge level, yet a lot of it can be adapted for use in > our hobby. Here is their website/catalog: <http://www.allelectonics.com>http://www.allelectonics.com > <http://www.allelectonics.com> >I buy from them all of the time for oddball projects. A lot of it is manufacture surplus and close outs but perfectly good and often new. George Cohn< -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1745 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 9:53 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50661	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for Mac McGrath.

Looking for Mac McGrath..... Don Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50662	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout

Hi Nick: Would definitely like to see pics, either posted or sent directly to my email address. Tx Rance Velapoldi, (Tranby, Norway) Nick Kulp wrote: > > Al, > > Over the past 17 years in this house, I have built at least 5 > different "moveable" layout accesses. My first one was a gate, as I > had great success with one in my previous house. Unfortunately, this > house had a humidity problem and the gate became a source of problems > as the layout would react and expand or contract with the seasons. I > replaced the gate with a drop-in bridge. I also purchased a > dehumidifier to try to correct the humidity problem. At first, it > appeared to work but after a year it too started to have problems. The > final attempt was a hidged lift-up bridge. that was the worst solution > I tried. It was very easy to use but the electrical interlocking > mechanism would misalign and fail. That killed power to the approaches > and the gate. It would start out fine but half-way through an op > session with 12-15 operators, the interlock would fail and trains > would come to a screeching halt when trying to cross the bridge. The > session would stop while I > attempted to fix the problem. > > I finally dismantled the layout after 11 years of operation and mixed > fun and tears. I am in the process of building a new layout. From my > gate experience, I have learned one important thing. Make sure the two > sections you plan to connect with a gate, bridge, or anything else > will be firmly anchored and stable. The new layout will have a gate. > The difference will be that there will be two "columns" to support the > gate. The columns are 8" X 8". They are anchored into the concrete > floor and into a header connected to the floor joists. The gate has > two 4" heavy-duty hinges and they are screwed into 2" X 2" stablizers > inside the columns and attached to the gate front panel. If this gate > moves, it will mean we have had an earthquake. I have hung on the gate > to test it's stability and it easily supports my weight and I am no > lightweight. The gate is 32" long and 8" wide. It supports three > tracks at one level. I model in HO scale so the alignment is very > critical. The layout will also have a second deck with my American > Flyers running when I feel like enjoying them. The room is 24' X 48' > and the only portion of the area that is not part of the layout is my > 12' X 32' woodshop. > > I'd be happy to post photos of the gate plus the double-deck gate of a > friend's gate that inspired this version. > > Regards, > Nick Kulp > > I have been searching for an article I read on construction of a > hinged access > to an aisle on a layout. I thought i ran across this article in a > past issue of > Classic Toy Trains. HELP!!!! Anyone recall which issue, if it was > CTT? > Thanks in advance. Al Paolozzi amflyral@... > <mailto:amflyral%40teknett.com> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50663	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Pilot wheels spring Question:

As has been stated, installing pilot truck springs will solve this problem, as long as the wheels are not chipped. I always install a spring whenever we do engine repairs, even if the engine never originally had one. We have the conical springs available. They can be spun down around the stud, from the top, small end first. Or the stud can be removed, the spring inserted along with the proper fiber washer, and then affixed with a new replacement rivet. (Some trucks are mounted with a screw instead.........even easier to replace/install a spring! <<<My young nephews are having the same trouble with their 302s. I need to look them over and figure out how to put said spring in there. Currently, I think one has a weak spring, while the other one is missing altogether. They derail on the AF switches as well.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50664	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: All Electronics

I have been dealing with this company for 15+ years and have never had a problem. their prices are great, their service is fast and they have many unusual items that you don't see anywhere else. I have ordered from both their printed catalog and their internet site.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50665	From: bw_hansen	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: Hinged lift up for aisle access to layout

While not perfect design I have pictures posted of my Erector bridge that spans the doorway into my train shack. Hinged at one end it's easy to use. Planned enhancements include lighting and double tracking. Look under "Bruce Trains"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50666	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: All Electronics

Lamont Heppe wrote: > > > I have been dealing with this company for 15+ years and have never had > a problem. As have I. I buy a lot of wall-wart power transformers from them and they only charge something like $5.70 to ship a huge box weighing over 10 pounds. Have also bought oddball automotive items like door lock solenoids and such. They might make a great actuator for a train related project some day. Don't know where the other fellows pop-ups were coming from as I have never experienced this. You can manage the settings for pop-ups and cookies you know. I teach a class in PC security at the local community college on this topic. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50667	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: All Electronics

I too have bought a number of items from  All electronics  and  was pleased  with the price , items and service -----Original Message----- From: Lamont Heppe <flheppe@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 9:23 am Subject: [S-Trains] All Electronics I have been dealing with this company for 15+ years and have never had a problem. their prices are great, their service is fast and they have many unusual items that you don't see anywhere else. I have ordered from both their printed catalog and their internet site. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50668	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:

What about chips on the wheels of the front pilot? Can wheels be replaced? _____________________________________________________________________ A New Way to Get Free & Discounted Offers -- FreeInternet.com! Visit http://offers.juno.com/TGL1121/?u=http://www.freeinternet.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50669	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:

n9guy,   You bet. Doug Peck has them. I just rebuilt a 312 PRR K5 and it had a broken pilot wheel. I contacted Doug and he sent this reply. <<All you need is a plastic wheel (.35) and a new peenable axle (.50) .>>   Send him an order at; Doug@... I am also sure that others have the parts but I have been happy with his service.   Regards, Nick Kulp --- On Tue, 10/28/08, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Pilot wheels spring Question: To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 6:33 PM What about chips on the wheels of the front pilot? Can wheels be replaced? _____________________________________________________________________ A New Way to Get Free & Discounted Offers -- FreeInternet.com! Visit http://offers.juno.com/TGL1121/?u=http://www.freeinternet.com ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50670	From: piccu56	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:

This is really not that hard. Gilbert removed the use of the spring because its not really needed at all, and was a cost to them. If your lead truck is derailing there are a few simple things you can do to resolved the problem. First, check the switch. Is the frog throwing completely? If not service the switch, or find a better power supply that makes it snap fully. File any burs and mishapen frog tips flush and make sure they fit into the recess in the rail its thrown towards. If this fails to resolve the problem, next remove the inspect the lead truck. Wheels should be completely free from blemishes, defects, and dirt buildup. Small blemishes can be gently filed down with a flat hobby file, and wheels cleaned with various products. On earlier lead trucks, Giberts design was to have the wheels float on the axels. If they are gummed up from old oils and lubricants, this will cause problems. You have to remove the wheels, and clean the axels and the axel holes in the wheels. Use a linemans pliers and deburr the small axel end enough to slip the axel out. Clean the axel with solvent and polish with car wax or Mothers cream. Take a small hobby rat tail file and gently ream out the axel holes in the wheels. Test on the axel to make sure there is free movement of the wheel on the axel. If there is too much slop due to an oversized axel hole, replace the wheel. You can use any black plastic wheel as a replacement, just use the rat tail file to reem out the axel hole until the wheel slides onto and spins on the axel freely. When done, reassemble the truck, and use a small ball peen hammer and anvil to reburr the small end of the axel to prevent it from slipping out. On later 5 digit locos, and some very late 3 digit locos, Gilbert changed to a presed on wheel where the wheel is fixed to the axel. This guaranteed gauge, but if not kept on the narrow side would prove problematic on some tight curves, especially on PM tracks. Although it is not neccessary, you can install a spring if you wish. Holding the spring sideways, work the smaller end of the conical spring onto the truck stud at the first loop, then "wind" it onto the stud, larger end down towards the truck. Refrain from oiling the lead (and trail) truck wheel and axels, its not required.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50671	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Rocket Air

http://www.giottos.com/Rocket-air.htm When I was in Maine a couple of weeks ago, I found this strange looking thing in a parking lot at Acadia National Park. I looks like a rocket, but it makes air, to dust things, mainly camera lenses. But I is a great item to use on train layouts, like engines, cars and buildings to blow dust away, before it settles in. It is also good for computer keyboards, stereo equipment, use on car dashboards, etc. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50672	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Link Correction

Here is the correct link for all electronics http://www.allelectronics.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50673	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Paint problems

Good morning: I need your help. I am having real problems getting coverage with my paint. Attached is a photo of my model. (This same photo is found in the photo album 'Thorin' in our S-Scale group.) The center of the frame and the cab side show my problem. This is after priming and then two coats. I am plagued by brush marks and the paint does not level. You can see the bottle of Polly Scale paint I am using. I also often have 'corner' problems which hides details. At the right end of the frame you can see dry, pooled paint around the white block. At the left end I have a dry pool I got when I airbrushed the primer. (Model Master white primer airbrushed directly from the bottle -- no thinning and NO FUMES.) I use Polly Scale because of fumes. I paint inside with normal house ventilation. I like to brush because it is QUIET. I hate the noise of my airbrush and its pump. Often the only time I can paint is after the children have gone to bed. What am I doing wrong? I love using a brush. Do I have the wrong brush? Do I need to 'prep the paint'? Thank you, experts, for your help and advice. Thorin <<2008_MG_Paint 004.jpg>> <<2008_MG_Paint 002.jpg>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50674	From: William Porter	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: Paint problems

Hi Marty, I am not a member of the 'Scale' group and cannot see the picture. Is there a chance you could post it on one of the 'Trains' albums? Spray paint is inherently smoother than brush paint. It is just something with which we must live. To get a smooth finish from brushed paint, you may want to find some sort of drying retarder to add to the paint. That will give it more time to flow and even out those brush strokes. This sort of additive was fairly common for solvent-based paints, 40 years ago. For the water-based paints, my experience does not apply. I just know that you would need it. Perhaps one of our colleagues can help with a source or the name of a common chemical. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marty.Thorin Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:56 AM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Paint problems Good morning: I need your help. I am having real problems getting coverage with my paint. Attached is a photo of my model. (This same photo is found in the photo album 'Thorin' in our S-Scale group.) The center of the frame and the cab side show my problem. This is after priming and then two coats. I am plagued by brush marks and the paint does not level. You can see the bottle of Polly Scale paint I am using. I also often have 'corner' problems which hides details. At the right end of the frame you can see dry, pooled paint around the white block. At the left end I have a dry pool I got when I airbrushed the primer. (Model Master white primer airbrushed directly from the bottle -- no thinning and NO FUMES.) I use Polly Scale because of fumes. I paint inside with normal house ventilation. I like to brush because it is QUIET. I hate the noise of my airbrush and its pump. Often the only time I can paint is after the children have gone to bed. What am I doing wrong? I love using a brush. Do I have the wrong brush? Do I need to 'prep the paint'? Thank you, experts, for your help and advice. Thorin <<2008_MG_Paint 004.jpg>> <<2008_MG_Paint 002.jpg>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50675	From: roy inman	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: Paint problems-PS

Just recalled a technique that a modeler talked about at a seminar, but I haven't tried. He claimed that brushed paint jobs look smoother if the surface is slightly heated, around 80 degrees or so. I did not catch if he was talking about plastic or wood surfaces. I think he used a hair dryer to warm up the surface. I would think that care should be taken, especially when warming up plastic... Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50676	From: D. Winslow	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: Link Correction

Want to add my name to the list of happy AllElectronics.com customers. I've been ordering all kinds of stuff from them for a couple years, and always been happy. Dave W. Paul Yorke wrote: > > > Here is the correct link for all electronics > > http://www.allelectronics.com/ <http://www.allelectronics.com/> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50677	From: John Gibson	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: train show information

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > A member of our club is a lawyer and did a brilliant job with us in > terms of liability protection. We ran for probably 5 years without > doing anything, but later realized that wasn't very smart. I asked him > and here's what he recommended - - "I'd recommend incorporation and > that members have excess liability insurance (umbrella coverage)". >================================================================== This is sound advice, especially if you have a lawyer who is willing to do the incorporation work for free or for very low cost. I would also suggest you check with the show organizers to see if their liability coverage extends to show participants. If this is the case, at least have that fact confirmed in writing. Ideally, you would want your group (and/or group members) named in the policy as an additional insured, but I doubt your request would be granted. Doesn't hurt to ask though. Finally, if your club members are all members of the NMRA, you can get very low cost liability insurance through that group as well. Hope this helps, John Gibson Rocklin, CA An S scaler lurking on the list. :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50678	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Stiell Trying to reach Phil Dunlop off liine

Phil, I've sent 4 emails and I AM receiving your emails. I Hot Mail or your computer blocking my emails? Jack Riely

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50679	From: barb	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: New Train House

Hi Group, It has been nearly two years since I disassembled my layout and moved it to NC. And it has been awhile in coming that a new train house would hold the layout. The work has begun to convert the existing horse barn that was here on the new property to a train house. It has been a chore and a half to get through the research and planning cycles to make this happen. But happening it is. First inspection is Thursday morning. The photos which will be updated every couple of days can be seen in our S-Trains gallery at: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Barb/NC+TRAIN+HOUSE/?g2_page=1 Trains running by Christmas is the hope and all of the subcontractors are on board with this goal. Wish me luck. Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50680	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: window insert

How anyone used anything in Plasticville buildings and other buildings to cover up windows? I am looking for something that is a clear material, but has a film or it is "smoked" so you can not see inside, to see the emptiness. I will try dollhouse supplies websites also. Thanks. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50681	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert

Dear Mike, Take pictures of interiors and glue them to the windows. Don On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > How anyone used anything in Plasticville buildings and other > buildings to cover up windows? > > I am looking for something that is a clear material, but has a film > or it is "smoked" so you can not see inside, to see the emptiness. > > I will try dollhouse supplies websites also. > > Thanks. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50682	From: piccu56	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert

Too easy. Go to an office supply store like Staples, and buy the clear acetate folders that you would put a book report into for college. Cut pieces to fit over the back of the windows and use household cement to hold in place. This make it look like there is glass there like Gilbert cabooses. Next, buy some brown paper lunch bags with the sawtooth edge. You can use markers to make them darker brown, or green, or paint to make them white if you wish, or leavee them tan. Cut "shades" from them and glue in place at various heights. Did this will all my Laser-Art structures and even with lighting in the structures you cannot tell they are empty shells. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > How anyone used anything in Plasticville buildings and other buildings to cover up windows? > > I am looking for something that is a clear material, but has a film or it is "smoked" so you can not see inside, to see the emptiness. > > I will try dollhouse supplies websites also. > > Thanks. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50683	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert

I found a product called Micro-Glaze that you apply the inside and a hazed window forms. Thanks for all the suggestions. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50684	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert

Mike, how about something like wax paper? Harwood **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211625659x1200715650/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=82&bcd=emailf ooter) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50685	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Train House

Barb, Good luck with the new train house. It looks like you are making great progress so far. Just remember the contractor's pledge: It'll only take two more weeks to finish. I'm finally somewhat settled in the new house in Houston. Hurricane Ike slowed my progress for a couple of weeks but I'm about to start the planning phase of my new layout. I would offer to race you to the finish but I'm sure you'll be running trains way before I am! Good luck and keep the photos coming! David aka: BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: > > Hi Group, > > It has been nearly two years since I disassembled my layout and moved > it to NC. And it has been awhile in coming that a new train house would > hold the layout. > > The work has begun to convert the existing horse barn that was here on > the new property to a train house. It has been a chore and a half to get > through the research and planning cycles to make this happen. But > happening it is. > > First inspection is Thursday morning. > > The photos which will be updated every couple of days can be seen in > our S-Trains gallery at: > > http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Barb/NC+TRAIN+HOUSE/? g2_page=1 > > Trains running by Christmas is the hope and all of the subcontractors > are on board with this goal. > > Wish me luck. > Barb >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50686	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Train House

Looking great Barb! Documentaion of the project is cool! Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of barb Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New Train House Hi Group, It has been nearly two years since I disassembled my layout and moved it to NC. And it has been awhile in coming that a new train house would hold the layout. The work has begun to convert the existing horse barn that was here on the new property to a train house. It has been a chore and a half to get through the research and planning cycles to make this happen. But happening it is. First inspection is Thursday morning. The photos which will be updated every couple of days can be seen in our S-Trains gallery at: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Barb/NC+TRAIN+HOUSE/?g2_page=1 Trains running by Christmas is the hope and all of the subcontractors are on board with this goal. Wish me luck. Barb ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50687	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert

I've used frosted scotch tape. Rick. On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > How anyone used anything in Plasticville buildings and other > buildings to cover up windows? > > I am looking for something that is a clear material, but has a film > or it is "smoked" so you can not see inside, to see the emptiness. > > I will try dollhouse supplies websites also. > > Thanks. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50688	From: Coopers	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert

Good Evening! I have made new/replacement window inserts from the celluloid/clear plastic packaging that encases so many items at retail stores. Cut out strips to fit a whole side like on a 650/655 passenger car, Superglue, epoxy or even hot glue. This material is pretty tough (as much or more so than AF original). Issue is that it is clear as with other similar materials. I have been toying with idea of spray-painting the interior side of clear material white before gluing and was about to try on a couple of cars. I have also used this material to replace colored pieces inside 720A switches, again gluing in place, and then coloring with either green or red nail polish - works well. For your consideration. Best Regards, Art Cooper Richardson, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] window insert Mike, how about something like wax paper? Harwood **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211625659x1200715650/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=82&bcd=emailf ooter) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50689	From: Scale S Only	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: window insert

Hi Mike -- I got a sample piece of window tinting material for tinting real glass windows that I have been using for "dirty" glass in my models. It gives the dirty look but still has the reflective sheen of glass. Check with you local window tinting shops to see if they have scraps or samples... Have fun! Bill Winans How anyone used anything in Plasticville buildings and other buildings to cover up windows? I am looking for something that is a clear material, but has a film or it is "smoked" so you can not see inside, to see the emptiness. Thanks. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50690	From: Phil K	Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Radio Shack in trouble

FYI if you use Radio Shack as a source for small electronics: (From AOL money & finance) Radio Shack (RSH) usually has about $700 million of goods on hand going into the holidays. As of the end of the June quarter, it had $577 million of cash. Radio Shack has two problems now. The first is that it caters to a relatively low-end consumer base, the people who tend to be hurt most by a recession. The other is that because it is a fairly small operation, its larger competitors can squeeze it on price. In this environment, Radio Shack does not want to have to look for money to finance inventory. Radio Shack has already closed stores in several states. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50691	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: window insert

Doug Peck & Joe (LNU) have replacemeents. Dick Kuepper --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > How anyone used anything in Plasticville buildings and other buildings to cover up windows? > > I am looking for something that is a clear material, but has a film or it is "smoked" so you can not see inside, to see the emptiness. > > I will try dollhouse supplies websites also. > > Thanks. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50692	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Radio Shack in trouble

Interesting. I was just in our local mall Radio Shack store looking for a particular electronic item for my layout. The clerk (only one on duty) was serving another customer in what was a lengthy conversation regarding cell phone service. The clerk never even acknowledged my presence at the counter and after 10 minutes, I moved on. Maybe problems #3 and #4 are reduced staff and lack of customer service. Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil K Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Radio Shack in trouble FYI if you use Radio Shack as a source for small electronics: (From AOL money & finance) Radio Shack (RSH) usually has about $700 million of goods on hand going into the holidays. As of the end of the June quarter, it had $577 million of cash. Radio Shack has two problems now. The first is that it caters to a relatively low-end consumer base, the people who tend to be hurt most by a recession. The other is that because it is a fairly small operation, its larger competitors can squeeze it on price. In this environment, Radio Shack does not want to have to look for money to finance inventory. Radio Shack has already closed stores in several states. Phil K ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1756 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 7:59 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50693	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Radio Shack in trouble

Just my humble opinion, but they have been in trouble since they moved into the volatile "consumer electronics" business and away from their original electronics parts supply business. True, there wasn't a lot of money to be made quickly from the parts business, but when they stepped into cheezy radio controlled toys and phones, and CD players, and such, they stepped into a market that has players coming and going daily. As you say, Phil, they're not WalMart! Back when they used to sell parts, I used to go there fairly often...I haven't been in a Radio Shack in probably five years. Too bad. Like the sage said: "Someone always pays for greed." Hey, that would work in several places now days! Stumpy Stone...in sub freezing Appalachia this morning.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50694	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Stiell Trying to reach Phil Dunlop off liine

Hi; hopefully it will work with one of the options I sent you. Based on the spam I get,,,,, earthlink is blocking nothing! <BG> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jnr59@... wrote: > > Phil, > I've sent 4 emails and I AM receiving your emails. I Hot Mail or your > computer blocking my emails? > > Jack Riely >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50695	From: G C	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: window insert

Mike,   On a few you might try using some Plastruc clear tile. It comes in various sized grids. Just pick the one you think looks the closest to S. It resembles glass block. You can't see through it and I believe from my own experience,  it works fairly well. Also, if you have lighting in the structures, they will appear to be illuminated while  looking in from the outside. You can always double it up to give it visual depth.   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50696	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: WINDOW INSERT

What I used as a kid was to cover my windows with a frosted plastic.... I used clear plastic and sanded it to make it frosted.... Glued it inside and it diffused the light inside and made it soft.... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50697	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: WINDOW INSERT

--I used drafting mylar which looks frosted. Used to get scrap pieces from work. Works great if you have access to it. paflyrman - In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rcon7@... wrote: > > What I used as a kid was to cover my windows with a frosted plastic.... I used clear plastic and sanded it to make it frosted.... Glued it inside and it diffused the light inside and made it soft.... Bob Conner > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50698	From: D. Winslow	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Radio Shack in trouble

Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > Just my humble opinion, but they have been in trouble since they moved > into the volatile "consumer electronics" business and away from their > original electronics parts supply business. Yes, but the parts business was not exactly lucrative at that time. All the names I grew up with had disappeared, Heathkit, Knightkit, Olson Radio, Lafayette. > True, there wasn't a lot of money to be made quickly from the parts > business, but when they stepped into cheezy radio controlled toys and > phones, and CD players, and such, they stepped into a market that has > players coming and going daily. As you say, Phil, they're not WalMart! > Back when they used to sell parts, I used to go there fairly often...I > haven't been in a Radio Shack in probably five years. I don't go often, but at least they have a few parts, and there is no one else around when you want something same day. > Too bad. Like the sage said: "Someone always pays for greed." Hey, > that would work in several places now days! I accept greed as part of the nature of things myself. Who among us sells our stuff for less than what is offered, or doesn't check around for the best price when buying? Whatever the market will bear is fine by me, as long as people are honest. > Stumpy Stone...in sub freezing Appalachia this morning. Dave W., expecting snow later, in beautiful New Hampshire.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50699	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: BLATENT SALES AD!!!!

Two weeks ago I posted this list.... Finally got time to add prices.... Those who expressed interest have first dibbs.... This is for the "S" List only... Bob Conner 1 Chicago and Alton set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Chicago and Alton 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box These are both factory sealed boxed and will ship as two items. The original price was 839.95 and +- 150 ( forget )...... 899.95 for both + shipping ..... will ship by adding label to factory box like I recieved them.. 1 Union Pacific 4 car set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Union Pacific 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box These are both factory sealed boxed and will ship as one item as I can tape the boxes together.... 399.95 for both + shipping.... will ship by adding label to factory box like I recieved them.. 1 New Haven 3 car set set - MIB in OB 1 New Haven pass add on in OB .... Silver Flash.... THE HARD ONE!!!!!!! Remember, issued in the wrong box These are both factory sealed boxed and will ship as one item as I can tape the boxes together.... 279.95 for both + shipping..... will ship in another box.. I think I have a LN EP-5 NH.... really nice but no box.... If I can locate it 149.95 or 415.00 + shipping for all 4 NH pieces (If I can locate the EP-5) 1 Casey Jones Loco - Almost New..... 10.00 Have several + shipping There will be lots more coming.... I just have WAY TOO MUCH!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50700	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Enough Radio Shack for now.

This Thread has been done before. Please stay on S-track. Carl (moderator)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50701	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: WINDOW INSERT

For that "got the old scroll-type blind pulled down look" try thin tannish brown packaging tape. Cut a piece just larger than the window you want to cover, then another piece slightly larger than that. Put to two pieces together - - sticky side to sticky side. Now apply the inside of your building around the window. I've used that on Plasticville control tower lower windows for example. Those old shades used to get tinted from the sun and aging.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50702	From: G C	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: WINDOW INSERT

Folks, I just remembered another trick for windows. Take the bar codes that come printed on clear plastic containers and cut them to fit your windows. They make great window blinds. I saw this done by a pro and it looked very realistic. The idea is that the spacing between the bars is not constant, which yields the illusion that they are rolled up to a certain point. The bars need to be going in a horizontal direction, which means you have to re-orient them.   gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50703	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: WINDOW INSERT

I'm not that old, but the older shades were green, Mike In a message dated 10/30/2008 11:23:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dsme_horn@... writes: For that "got the old scroll-type blind pulled down look" try thin tannish brown packaging tape. Cut a piece just larger than the window you want to cover, then another piece slightly larger than that. Put to two pieces together - - sticky side to sticky side. Now apply the inside of your building around the window. I've used that on Plasticville control tower lower windows for example. Those old shades used to get tinted from the sun and aging. **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50704	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD!!!!

Hi pictures and prices in my ebay store do'tnt be afraid to make and offer TOm http://stores.ebay.com/GREAT-TRAIN-ESCAPE Tom -----Original Message----- From: rcon7@... To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:21 am Subject: [S-Trains] BLATENT SALES AD!!!! Two weeks ago I posted this list.... Finally got time to add prices.... Those who expressed interest have first dibbs.... This is for the "S" List only... Bob Conner 1 Chicago and Alton set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Chicago and Alton 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box These are both factory sealed boxed and will ship as two items. The original price was 839.95 and +- 150 ( forget )...... 899.95 for both + shipping ..... will ship by adding label to factory box like I recieved them.. 1 Union Pacific 4 car set - MIB in OB and Shipping box 1 Union Pacific 2 car pass add on in OB and shipping box These are both factory sealed boxed and will ship as one item as I can tape the boxes together.... 399.95 for both + shipping.... will ship by adding label to factory box like I recieved them.. 1 New Haven 3 car set set - MIB in OB 1 New Haven pass add on in OB .... Silver Flash.... THE HARD ONE!!!!!!! Remember, issued in the wrong box These are both factory sealed boxed and will ship as one item as I can tape the boxes together.... 279.95 for both + shipping..... will ship in another box.. I think I have a LN EP-5 NH.... really nice but no box.... If I can locate it 149.95 or 415.00 + shipping for all 4 NH pieces (If I can locate the EP-5) 1 Casey Jones Loco - Almost New..... 10.00 Have several + shipping There will be lots more coming.... I just have WAY TOO MUCH!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50705	From: Ted Walton	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Link Correction for "all electronics"

Thanks Paul. The original link posted by Jim Ensign for "all electronics" was in error and you were the only one to pick up on it from my email. Leaving the "r" out makes a bid difference. How about being a little more careful in posting these links and not being critical of the person pointing out a problem! I don't hane the "problem" as suggested. Ted At 09:04 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote: > >Link Correction > > >Posted by: "Paul Yorke" <mailto:s_trains@...?Subject= >Re%3ALink%20Correction>s_trains@... ><http://profiles.yahoo.com/s_trains>s_trains > > >Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:25 am (PDT) > > >Here is the correct link for all electronics > ><http://www.allelectronics.com/>http://www.allelectronics.com/ MY (Walton)original Message: Electronics Source - pop-up banners Posted by: "Ted Walton" <mailto:trwalton@...?Subject= Re%3AElectronics%20Source%20-%20pop-up%20banners>trwalton@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/trwalton1>trwalton1 Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:44 pm (PDT) I not sure I would want to do business with this company. I visited them twice and after I closed out their web page, each time I found two unrelated pop-up banners on my screen. Also as you search through there options, you can't tell where you are or who your dealing with. I'm glad I didn't allow them to set a cookie on my computer. Ted At 06:37 AM 10/27/2008, you wrote: Electronics Source Posted by: "George Cohn" <mailto:<mailto:gwcohn%40simplybits.net>gwcohn@...?Subject= Re%3A%20Electronics%20Source><mailto:gwcohn%40simplybits.net>gwcohn@... <<http://profiles.yahoo.com/gwescoyh>http://profiles.yahoo.com/gwescoyh>gwescoyh Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:57 am (PDT) Jim Ensign wrote: > This may be old news to many of you. I've come across a source for just about everything > electronic - much of it beyond my knowledge level, yet a lot of it can be adapted for use in > our hobby. Here is their website/catalog: <<http://www.allelectonics.com>http://www.allelectonics.com>http://www.allelectonics.com > <<http://www.allelectonics.com>http://www.allelectonics.com> >I buy from them all of the time for oddball projects. A lot of it is manufacture surplus and close outs but perfectly good and often new. George Cohn< -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1745 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 9:53 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50706	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Fall S Fest only 2 weeks away!

Hard to believe, but only 2 weeks until Fall S Fest in Milwaukee, WI beginning Friday, November 14th through Sunday, November 16th. This years S Fest is sponsored by the Badgerland S Gaugers, and is being held at the Wyndham Airport Hotel and Convention Center. 4747 S. Howell Avenue, Milwaukee, WI. The hotel has easy access from I-94 and I-43. In addition it is near Milwaukee's airport and the new AMTRAK Airport Station. The hotel offers free shuttles from both the airport and the airport AMTRAK station. If arriving by train, you must call the hotel for the shuttle to pick you up. The trading floor holds 195 tables and only a few remain. If you are coming and need a table, get your registration in now, call (262-574-1086) or e-mail me, and I can arrange to hold tables for you. In addition, the banquet is almost sold out. This year's banquet speaker is Mr. David Myers, a retired Military Railroad Engineer. He has a great presentation of his experiences with Military Railroading. Again, get your registration in now, first come first served. Sales of this years S-Fest Car, the WEBER beer wood sided reefer, have been brisk but we should have a few available to purchase at the door. Once you see this beautiful car in person, you will have to have one. We have a total of eight clinics. Among them Basic TMCC, Basic DCC, Resin Casting, Rock Molding, John Heck's cleaning and repairing of American Flyer. There is also a special Jewelry making clinic friday evening for the Women. Hope you all can join us at this fun filled event. If you are into American Flyer, Scale, Hi-Rail and even narrow gauge, there will be something here for you. For more information, visit our web site: www.trainweb.org/bsg See you in Milwaukee "S"incerely, Steve Lunde Chairman, 2008 S-Fest Chairman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50707	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Link Correction for "all electronics"

I apologize -- I didn't realize my link had a typo. Jim Ensign -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Ted Walton <trwalton@...> > Thanks Paul. The original link posted by Jim Ensign for "all > electronics" was in error and you were the only one to pick up on it > from my email. Leaving the "r" out makes a bid difference. How about > being a little more careful in posting these links and not being > critical of the person pointing out a problem! I don't hane the > "problem" as suggested. > > Ted > > At 09:04 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote: > > > >Link Correction > > > > > >Posted by: "Paul Yorke" <mailto:s_trains@...?Subject= > >Re%3ALink%20Correction>s_trains@... > ><http://profiles.yahoo.com/s_trains>s_trains > > > > > >Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:25 am (PDT) > > > > > >Here is the correct link for all electronics > > > ><http://www.allelectronics.com/>http://www.allelectronics.com/ > MY (Walton)original Message: > > Electronics Source - pop-up banners > > > Posted by: "Ted Walton" <mailto:trwalton@...?Subject= > Re%3AElectronics%20Source%20-%20pop-up%20banners>trwalton@... > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/trwalton1>trwalton1 > > > Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:44 pm (PDT) > > I not sure I would want to do business with this company. I visited > them twice and after I closed out their web page, each time I found > two unrelated pop-up banners on my screen. Also as you search through > there options, you can't tell where you are or who your dealing with. > I'm glad I didn't allow them to set a cookie on my computer. > Ted > At 06:37 AM 10/27/2008, you wrote: > Electronics Source > Posted by: "George Cohn" > <mailto:<mailto:gwcohn%40simplybits.net>gwcohn@...?Subject= > Re%3A%20Electronics%20Source><mailto:gwcohn%40simplybits.net>gwcohn@simplybits.n > et > > <<http://profiles.yahoo.com/gwescoyh>http://profiles.yahoo.com/gwescoyh>gwescoyh > Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:57 am (PDT) > Jim Ensign wrote: > > This may be old news to many of you. I've come across a source for > just about everything > > electronic - much of it beyond my knowledge level, yet a lot of it > can be adapted for use in > > our hobby. Here is their website/catalog: > <<http://www.allelectonics.com>http://www.allelectonics.com>http://www.allelecto > nics.com > > > <<http://www.allelectonics.com>http://www.allelectonics.com> > >I buy from them all of the time for oddball projects. A lot of it > is manufacture surplus and close outs but perfectly good and often > new. George Cohn< > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1745 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 9:53 > AM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50708	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Lemax "Phantom Station"

OOOoooooo...... it's scary boys and girls! About time they made station for us train nuts! Photo from my 2008 Halloween layout/Village. http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x90/bassflyer/Flyer%20Pics/IMG_6607.jpg Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50709	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: WINDOW INSERT

Then make yours green. The ones I recall started out off-white, but from years in direct sunlight turned tannish brown, especially around the edges. Like a parchment color. Each to his own. Memories included. > > I'm not that old, but the older shades were green, Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50710	From: Alec Adamyk	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: S scale (1/64) vehicles

Hi all, Does anyone know where I can buy S scale vehicle kits or even built ones. I am especially looking for early model trucks' 1930's or 1940's to place by a loading platform for a structure kit I am building . Thank you, Modelmaker2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50711	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: windows

http://yhst-4107290884353.stores.yahoo.net/windows.html Thanks to all who sent in answers on how they cover windows on buildings. I ordered a product at the end of the list of products on this link. It says it is good for model railroads, buildings on layouts. Also good for covering windows on engines. I will let you all know how it works. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50712	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest only 2 weeks away!

A question I must ask: Is it $15.00 for each member of the family? Or is it $15.00 and ALL members are included? _____________________________________________________________ Click to find airline tickets for your next trip. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nMQlNr9LADqn3qCsuL2cUcyreC2YRt3cx3CoNLVtGCkkIQL/?count=1234567890

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50713	From: Edward G.	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: WINDOW Material

I for one use up and recycle some of all that clear plastic packaging we all seem to get today ...everything seems to come in nice hard to open plastic ..if i need window material for a passenger car it is easy to find ..go to your auto supply store and get a pachage that window wipers come in its nice and long and as long as it is not scratched ..all you ned is a pair of sissors and you can cut yourself a pair of windows for nothing ..they are happy to give it away to you...need windows for a house ...visit you local hardware store...and either buy something in a package or check their garbage bucket ....Instant windows for anything you have .... P.S...>>..if you need it frosted ..a little elbow grease and a piece of steel wool ...pushing in one direction only ...you got it ...TADA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50714	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: WINDOW Material

Amen to that. Whereas I might still by white and textured styrene sheet products from my LHS, no more any clear sheets. Got plenty of that the same way you get yours - - from the multitude of packages that this, that,and another thing come in today. One other use - - the small bases for people to stand up on. A little super glue on their feet and tada, there they stand.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50715	From: Bob Anson	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: windows

i may have missed the whole thread but i thought Microscale had a very similiar product. Bob Anson %~) --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] windows To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 5:53 PM http://yhst- 4107290884353. stores.yahoo. net/windows. html Thanks to all who sent in answers on how they cover windows on buildings. I ordered a product at the end of the list of products on this link. It says it is good for model railroads, buildings on layouts. Also good for covering windows on engines. I will let you all know how it works. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50716	From: Alan Evans	Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD!!!!

Hello, Do I understand this is your ebay store offerings? - Alan _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tomminil@... Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BLATENT SALES AD!!!! Hi pictures and prices in my ebay store do'tnt be afraid to make and offer TOm http://stores. <http://stores.ebay.com/GREAT-TRAIN-ESCAPE> ebay.com/GREAT-TRAIN-ESCAPE Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50717	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: My Halloween Layout on the SHS site

Makes one *sniff* very proud!! http://www.showcaseline.com/ Thanks Don & Robin!! Rick Evans.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50718	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1:64) vehicles

You might want to check out Scenery Unlimited for a selection of S scale trucks by Lehigh Valley Models, Tonkin Replicas, Railmaster Hobbies,Eisi,and Reviresco. Another way to go is with the many Hartoy "American Highway Legends" series. While this series has been out of production for a few years, there are still tons of them around. They particularly over produced the Coke and Hershey's trucks, but you can still find most of the "fleet" at online diecast sellers, eBay, train shows, and occassionally big box stores and discount places like "Odd Lots/Big Lots." These are very nice as is, but with a little imagination and some paint and decals you can really make them stand out. S Scale cars are getting easier to find with the M2 series and Yat Ming doing nice stuff now. And don't overlook the "toys" from Matchbox and others. Often among those bizarre looking hot rods and race cars, you can find a nicely done car that just needs the wheels cut down to a realistic size and some correct paint. Stumpy Stone...1/1 scale car guy too.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50719	From: Robert Boring	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles

Alec, Check out Railmaster Hobbies. They have a great selection of trucks from that era. Bob Boring ----- Original Message ----- From: Alec Adamyk To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S scale (1/64) vehicles Hi all, Does anyone know where I can buy S scale vehicle kits or even built ones. I am especially looking for early model trucks' 1930's or 1940's to place by a loading platform for a structure kit I am building . Thank you, Modelmaker2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50720	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest only 2 weeks away!

$15 for the the immediate family. Steve Lunde ----- Original Message ----- From: <n9guy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest only 2 weeks away! >A question I must ask: > > Is it $15.00 for each member of the family? > > Or is it $15.00 and ALL members are included? > _____________________________________________________________ > Click to find airline tickets for your next trip. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nMQlNr9LADqn3qCsuL2cUcyreC2YRt3cx3CoNLVtGCkkIQL/?count=1234567890 > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50721	From: mikenguy9	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Flyer's non-smoking engines

Can a smoke unit be purchased some where to ad smoke to an engine that does not have one? WHERE CAN I BUY IT?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50722	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles

I am looking for those years in a  motorcycle and maybe a Schwinn bicycle. --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Alec Adamyk <aadamyk@...> wrote: From: Alec Adamyk <aadamyk@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S scale (1/64) vehicles To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:03 PM Hi all, Does anyone know where I can buy S scale vehicle kits or even built ones. I am especially looking for early model trucks' 1930's or 1940's to place by a loading platform for a structure kit I am building . Thank you, Modelmaker2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50723	From: piccu56	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer's non-smoking engines

The only unit you might be able to find that would work without modifications would be a Seuth liquid smoke unit. The main reasons being that the earlier locos had the headlamp mounted to the chassis along with the reverse unit, and there is no smoker gear stud. So you would have to purchase a chassis/frame from a smoking engine along with the smoker, piston and lever. Inside the smoke stack you would find a small rim that the smoke in tender tube connector would have been crimped to. This would have to be reamed out. If you wanted to retain automatic reverse you'd have to move the old reverse unit to the tender, and re-wire everything. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mikenguy9" <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > > Can a smoke unit be purchased some where to ad smoke to > > an engine that does not have one? > > > WHERE CAN I BUY IT? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50724	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles

Mike, If you check out the Hallmark shops around Christmas, they have a line of Harley Davidson motorcycles that are in S (or darned close to it). They're meant as tree decorations, and have a small eyelet on the tank, which can be removed and smoothed over. The bikes look very nice and I have a few parked in front of the diner on my layout. Good luck! Jerry Raking Leaves in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > I am looking for those years in a motorcycle and maybe a Schwinn bicycle. > > --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Alec Adamyk aadamyk@... wrote: > > From: Alec Adamyk aadamyk@... > Subject: [S-Trains] S scale (1/64) vehicles > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:03 PM > > > > > > > Hi all, > Does anyone know where I can buy S scale vehicle kits or even built ones. I am especially looking for early model trucks' 1930's or 1940's to place by a loading platform for a structure kit I am building . > > Thank you, > > Modelmaker2 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50725	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD!!!!

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50726	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/2/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 2, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50727	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Hallmark motorcycles...

> Dear Mike and Jerry, I believe the series started in 1999. I have the following. I did not get 2008 as it seemed a bit too modern for my taste. Best, Don 2000 1962 Duo-Glide w/ sidecar 2002 1958 FL Duo-Glide 2004 1933 Flathead Model VLD 2005 1994 FLHR Road King 2006 1986 Heritage Softail 2007 1971 FX Super Glide PS I have a few extras for trade only for the years I am missing. > ....If you check out the Hallmark shops around Christmas, they have > a line > of Harley Davidson motorcycles > > Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > Calendar > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 5 > New Members > 8 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > Share Photos > Put your favorite > photos and > more online. > Yahoo! Groups > Come check out > featured healthy living > groups on Yahoo! > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50728	From: papehoward	Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Correct wiring of the 710 steam whistle control

I would like to know if the wiring hook up of the 710 steam whistle control with slide is the same as a 708 air chime whistle control? Thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50730	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: BLATENT SALES AD!!!!

yes -------------- Original message from "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...>: -------------- > Does the casey jones have pikemaster couplers.? > _____________________________________________________________ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50731	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer's non-smoking engines

You will need to swap the non smoke unit chassis for a smoker one. Other minor modifications may be needed as well. Depends on which non-smoker loco you are dealing with. We have lots of original Gilbert smoker chassis and smoke chambers/pistons, etc. Steve SnS Trains Boise www.sns-trains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50732	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles

> "If you check out the Hallmark shops around Christmas, they have a > line > of Harley Davidson motorcycles that are in S (or darned close to it)" Yep, I have a few, they are pretty cool IMHO. 332410605209_0_ALB.jpg Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50733	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: 1/64th bi-plane

I could imagine a line of these at your airport, maybe a traveling air show, maybe a couple hanging on a piece of fishing line. http://www.flyingmule.com/products/MP-5395 Model Power Postage Stamp Planes 5395 Nieuport 28 Diecast Model US Army 94th Aero Sqn, Eddie Rickenbacker 1:64 Scale Length WidthNieuport 28 3.75" 5" The Nieuport 28 first flew in the summer of 1917. Produced originally for the United States and France, the single-seat fighter, equipped with two forward-firing 7.7 mm Vickers machine guns, reached a maximum speed of 121 mph. The most famous Nieuport 28 unit, wearing the 'hat-in-ring' insignia, was flown by top US ace, Eddie Rickenbacker in World War I. Following the war, the Nieuport 28 was used by the French postal service to fly mail internationally during a postal strike, and by the US Navy for experimental purposes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50734	From: David Engle	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles

Slight change here: Did Hallmark ever do any models of the Lionel engines other than the ATSF F-3 and the PRR GG-1? Cross-section wise they were close to S, but the PRR engine looked more like a GG-0.65, in length. Model of a Model, gees. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles > "If you check out the Hallmark shops around Christmas, they have a > line > of Harley Davidson motorcycles that are in S (or darned close to it)" Yep, I have a few, they are pretty cool IMHO. 332410605209_0_ALB.jpg Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50735	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:

Doug do yo know if any one has tryed to cut new rims from S.S. or just steel? I was thinking the the flang was not able the keep the train on the track. The rims for the drivers could be to old - used, and now smaller. What do you think? Clayton Portland OR. --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: > From: Doug Peck <doug@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Pilot wheels spring Question: > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 6:05 AM > As has been stated, installing pilot truck springs will > solve this > problem, as long as the wheels are not chipped. > > I always install a spring whenever we do engine repairs, > even if the > engine never originally had one. > > We have the conical springs available. They can be spun > down around the > stud, from the top, small end first. > > Or the stud can be removed, the spring inserted along with > the proper > fiber washer, and then affixed with a new replacement > rivet. > > (Some trucks are mounted with a screw instead.........even > easier to > replace/install a spring! > > > > > > <<<My young nephews are having the same trouble > with their 302s. I need > to look them over and figure out how to put said spring in > there. > Currently, I think one has a weak spring, while the other > one is missing > altogether. They derail on the AF switches as > well.>>> > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> > www.flyerparts.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: > 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50736	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Correct wiring of the 710 steam whistle control

Yes it is. Clayton S. D. Portland OR. --- On Sat, 11/1/08, papehoward <papehoward@...> wrote: > From: papehoward <papehoward@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Correct wiring of the 710 steam whistle control > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 6:48 PM > I would like to know if the wiring hook up of the 710 steam > whistle > control with slide is the same as a 708 air chime whistle > control? > Thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50737	From: John Degnan	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: 1/64th bi-plane

I posted about these quite some time back. They come in a small variety of schemes, one of which I have. They are fairly well done. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <paul@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 1/64th bi-plane > I could imagine a line of these at your airport, maybe a traveling air show, > maybe a couple hanging on a piece of fishing line. > > http://www.flyingmule.com/products/MP-5395 > > Model Power Postage Stamp Planes 5395 > Nieuport 28 Diecast Model > US Army 94th Aero Sqn, Eddie Rickenbacker > > 1:64 Scale > Length > WidthNieuport 28 > 3.75" > 5" > > The Nieuport 28 first flew in the summer of 1917. Produced originally for > the United States and France, the single-seat fighter, equipped with two > forward-firing 7.7 mm Vickers machine guns, reached a maximum speed of 121 > mph. The most famous Nieuport 28 unit, wearing the 'hat-in-ring' insignia, > was flown by top US ace, Eddie Rickenbacker in World War I. Following the > war, the Nieuport 28 was used by the French postal service to fly mail > internationally during a postal strike, and by the US Navy for experimental > purposes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50738	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: RE;Flyers non-smoking engines

The Seuthe smoke unit is a good one, LGB used them exclusively in their high quality line, and Terry Putt used them in his Rex repro locos. They are availible from Walthers in several sizes and voltages, but others may carry them too. You will have to come up with a mount for it for your particular locomotive. The Seuthe unit is smaller so it contains less fluid than the old Flyer smokers. You have to refill it more often, and if you don't it will burn up. It is also easy to overfill so that it won't smoke, but you can easily soak up the excess with a pipe cleaner or a tissue. On the other hand, the original Flyer smoke unit is really great when working properly, capable of setting off any smoke alarm if run enough! The one modification you could do would be install a shut off switch like many modern locos have. (I take the battery out of the smoke alarm and just let the wife gripe!) ;-) The choo-choo sound is neat too and doesn't require a circuit board. Depending on what engine you have, you might just be better off finding the later smoking version and buying one instead of going through all the hassle of converting what you have. Stumpy Stone...years of experiance kit bashing Flyer locos despite occassional threats from collectors...hiding in Appalachia. ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50740	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer's non-smoking engines

Mike: See my pics in the photos section here, a conversion of AF342 to electronic smoke unit (requires a bit of boiler reaming), and also, conversion of AF350 Royal Blue to electronic smoke (very slight mod required on the pilot truck mounts). AF Hudson, AF Northern, AF Pacific are all drop in's, no mods required. Why use electonic smoke units with blowers? You can sync the smoke to sound, and get realistic puffing, and smoother operation. The units I used in the photos are supplied here: http://www.traindoctor.com/service/mth/railking.asp In the list see AA-0000011, and AA-0000014. These are MTH electronic smoke w/ blower. The difference between the 2 is the location of the blower motor. I use a "14" on the Royal Blue in the pics (for component spacing) and the 342 has an "11". Far superior to the Sueth units, way far. You can see the 342 in action in this video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz5xqQRJFa4 It also happens to be fitted with DCC / LokSound. There is also a larger unit from these folks: http://www.tastudios.com/tascmdupgrades.htm This unit is very sophisticated, but will only fit AF Northern and AF Hudson on a drop in basis Lastly, if you want a more complete instruction set than the photos here on S-trains, and are serious about doing some mods, serious means "I'm gonna do it!" and you are willing to share your results in the form of pictures and how-to, you can request to join S-modifiers and have access to the body of work compiled there. We have a requirement that you share back for the access you get to the stuff that's posted. cheers Phil D --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mikenguy9" <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > > Can a smoke unit be purchased some where to ad smoke to > > an engine that does not have one? > > > WHERE CAN I BUY IT? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50741	From: acgtx	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, American Models, Legacy Flyer

Good Afternoon! I have several Flyer Atlantics, Pacifics, Hudsons, K5s, and am interested in acquiring 1 or more Northerns (4-8-4). I am an operator at heart so am not looking for presentation quality, but want something that looks good and runs good. I am operating all AC at this point and expect to continue for the time being - not considering digital command any time soon (collecting on a "budget"). I have been watching the Flyer 33X models sold on ebay with most going for the mid to upper $300s and sometimes higher. Yesterday, a 332 went for under $300, needing paint and perhaps other work (isolated example). I have been buying parts for the locos mentioned above from a number of sources (some you S-Train group members) but am becoming increasingly concerned about being able to sustain what I have due to diminishing supply of critical (legacy) parts. As a result, I am increasingly hesitant in investing in AF (legacy) Northerns, although I am accustomed to and favor the appearance given via the white insulators on their drivers. I am aware of the recent Lionel (new Flyer) Northern offerings and the items available from American Models, which appear to be more detailed than the legacy flyer. I wonder if any of you have compared the Lionel and American Models items and how each has fared in your experience (i.e., reliability, pulling power, top speed compared to legacy Flyer, parts availability, compatibility with legacy Flyer track which I am currently using, etc.). I welcome your comments and suggestions. Best Regards, Art Cooper Richardson, TX Keep the rails clear and wheels rolling...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50742	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/2/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50743	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, Ameri

Art has some good questions here, although the "good" questions are the ones he didn't ask directly. What is the future of our ability to run our trains long term? Who will most likely have parts to keep them running? Most of the AF Legacy parts makers are "backyard" producers, and availability (or production) varies because of economic times, health of the producer, etc. Currently we seem to be headed into somewhat dire economic times, likely for years to come--this may be the major factor for a while! Modern production also varies, and is more complicated than Legacy products. While the producing companies are still (at this time) viable entities, most of them are not in the habit of producing large quantities of spare parts. It is also really too soon to know what long-term reliability they have (OTOH, Legacy products do have a decades-old reliability trail --as well as an "unreliability trail"). Tough questions! I do own both products, although I am heavily into the Legacy corner, and I do think one can "build up" a larger motive power pool with Legacy at less expense than new production--provided one can fix his/her own stuff. As with anything, there are exemptions to the rules, for instance the Docksiders. New production seems to be much better operationally than the original, and more plentiful too! Now I wrote this mostly to start discussions, I don't really have the answers--actually, I think I have the answer for me, but not necessarily for you--i.e. Individual results may vary, and the product may have settled during packaging! S' David D. Save the Delta Queen A no-cost economic stimulus deal for the rivertowns! Let congress know by Nov. 20! www.save-the-delta-queen.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50744	From: nd5s@arrl.net	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

** THIS WEEKEND ** ONE OF MICHIGAN'S LARGEST TRAIN SHOWS The Lansing Model Railroad Club is sponsoring their annual Train Show on Sunday, November 9, 2008. New show times are 10:00 - 4:00. Ticket Sales begin at 9:30. A limited number of tables are still available: Call 517-347-1831. a.. Over 450 tables. b.. 11 display layouts from Z to G Scale and LEGOS! c.. Large open venue d.. Expanded floor plan now includes auditorium e.. Live demos by NMRA North Central Region Division 5 a.. New models, toy trains, Thomas the Tank Engine toys, Railroad Memorabilia, book and DVDs, collectibles and much, much more! More details and table reservations can be found at: http://www.lmrc.org See the show's TV ad here: http://www.youtube.com/v/S2vLUJVnQwU We hope to see you there! Ron St.Laurent Lansing Model Railroad Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50745	From: roy inman	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

Ron, Need any S promo stuff? Roy Inman From: nd5s@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:49:51 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND ** THIS WEEKEND ** ONE OF MICHIGAN'S LARGEST TRAIN SHOWS The Lansing Model Railroad Club is sponsoring their annual Train Show on Sunday, November 9, 2008. New show times are 10:00 - 4:00. Ticket Sales begin at 9:30. A limited number of tables are still available: Call 517-347-1831. a.. Over 450 tables. b.. 11 display layouts from Z to G Scale and LEGOS! c.. Large open venue d.. Expanded floor plan now includes auditorium e.. Live demos by NMRA North Central Region Division 5 a.. New models, toy trains, Thomas the Tank Engine toys, Railroad Memorabilia, book and DVDs, collectibles and much, much more! More details and table reservations can be found at: http://www.lmrc.org See the show's TV ad here: http://www.youtube.com/v/S2vLUJVnQwU We hope to see you there! Ron St.Laurent Lansing Model Railroad Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50746	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: 1/64th bi-plane

Actually, that Nie. 28 stinks. Rick flew #5 and #2, the planes had a 5-color cammo scheme that is a royal pain to model. The 2 Liberty Loan Drive posters ( Colombia, over a battlefield, and the legend, "Fight-or Buy Bonds!") are missing. Rick was too heavy to have 2 guns on his Nie, the lower gun was deleted (a very common thing with US aviators). I guess it's OK for a layout. BTW Revell's 1955 kit of the B-25C is, still the only 1/64 plastic plane kit that I know of. It's been re-issued several times and is readily available. IIRC, Penn State operated one for their school of aviation in the 50's, and several were the "pet" personal a/c of some bomber Generals into the 60's.And, you could convert it to a Tallman camera plane. Or, to heck with the whole thing, and use 1/72-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50747	From: nd5s@arrl.net	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

Hi Roy, There will be literature tables at the entrance to the event. Please feel free to leave info there. Hope to see you at the show. Table sales are as good as last year so we're looking for a sell-out event. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND > Ron, > > Need any S promo stuff? > > Roy Inman > > From: nd5s@... > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:49:51 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND > > > ** THIS WEEKEND ** > > ONE OF MICHIGAN'S LARGEST TRAIN SHOWS > > The Lansing Model Railroad Club is sponsoring their annual Train Show on > Sunday, November 9, 2008. New show times are 10:00 - 4:00. Ticket Sales > begin at 9:30. > > A limited number of tables are still available: Call 517-347-1831. > > a.. Over 450 tables. > b.. 11 display layouts from Z to G Scale and LEGOS! > c.. Large open venue > d.. Expanded floor plan now includes auditorium > e.. Live demos by NMRA North Central Region Division 5 > a.. New models, toy trains, Thomas the Tank Engine toys, Railroad > Memorabilia, book and DVDs, collectibles and much, much more! > > More details and table reservations can be found at: > > http://www.lmrc.org > > See the show's TV ad here: > > http://www.youtube.com/v/S2vLUJVnQwU > > We hope to see you there! > > Ron St.Laurent > > Lansing Model Railroad Club > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50748	From: hjsheff	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Items for sale

Hi Group I just found some S Helper #6 turnouts that were produced a couple of years ago. These are NIB and cost $48.00 each. Rights and Lefts. Also have lists of NIB Lionel/Flyer stuff as well as out of stock SHS, and American Model as well as Des Plaines. Set of AM smoothside passenger cars with scale wheels unpainted at $45 each. Also have some special train sets put together in SHS cartons Email me off list for copies of lists. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains hjsheff@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50749	From: roy inman	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

Ron, I can't attend the show, but could send you some promo stuff on two-day UPS if you like. Just need a snail mail address, no P. O. #'s. Roy From: nd5s@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:23:49 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND Hi Roy, There will be literature tables at the entrance to the event. Please feel free to leave info there. Hope to see you at the show. Table sales are as good as last year so we're looking for a sell-out event. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND > Ron, > > Need any S promo stuff? > > Roy Inman > > From: nd5s@... <mailto:nd5s%40arrl.net> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:49:51 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND > > > ** THIS WEEKEND ** > > ONE OF MICHIGAN'S LARGEST TRAIN SHOWS > > The Lansing Model Railroad Club is sponsoring their annual Train Show on > Sunday, November 9, 2008. New show times are 10:00 - 4:00. Ticket Sales > begin at 9:30. > > A limited number of tables are still available: Call 517-347-1831. > > a.. Over 450 tables. > b.. 11 display layouts from Z to G Scale and LEGOS! > c.. Large open venue > d.. Expanded floor plan now includes auditorium > e.. Live demos by NMRA North Central Region Division 5 > a.. New models, toy trains, Thomas the Tank Engine toys, Railroad > Memorabilia, book and DVDs, collectibles and much, much more! > > More details and table reservations can be found at: > > http://www.lmrc.org > > See the show's TV ad here: > > http://www.youtube.com/v/S2vLUJVnQwU > > We hope to see you there! > > Ron St.Laurent > > Lansing Model Railroad Club > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50750	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, A

Well,,, some good questions. I guess we'll have to wait and see..... I'm not sure if my son will want my stuff,,, but I think my grandkids will, I'm getting them "hooked" now! Hopefully there will be items available and repairable. "Legacy" is going to expand in width. I've already got some "modern" stuff that is into it's 2nd decade. Is it going to be repairable? Your question on modern parts is maybe even more important. For instance..... If anybody has a SHS F7 with the class lights on it, you better not ever damage those LEDs, because you are not going to find a replacement. and Don apparently does not have any. (Mine are still going strong, but I wanted to put class lights in my F3,,,, go ahead, try and find a 3mm bi-color LED with common anode) (I was able to find some 5mm tri-color ones with common anode, and they work,,, but stuffing them in as a replacement on the F7 would be brutal) (Ok,,, now somebody ask why common anode?) So,,, interesting concerns,,,, I don't have the answers either I'm afraid. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > > Art has some good questions here, although the "good" questions are the ones > he didn't ask directly. > What is the future of our ability to run our trains long term? Who will most > likely have parts to keep them running? Most of the AF Legacy parts makers > are "backyard" producers, and availability (or production) varies because of > economic times, health of the producer, etc. Currently we seem to be headed > into somewhat dire economic times, likely for years to come--this may be the > major factor for a while! > Modern production also varies, and is more complicated than Legacy products. > While the producing companies are still (at this time) viable entities, most > of them are not in the habit of producing large quantities of spare parts. > It is also really too soon to know what long-term reliability they have > (OTOH, Legacy products do have a decades-old reliability trail --as well as > an "unreliability trail"). > Tough questions! I do own both products, although I am heavily into the > Legacy corner, and I do think one can "build up" a larger motive power pool > with Legacy at less expense than new production--provided one can fix > his/her own stuff. > As with anything, there are exemptions to the rules, for instance the > Docksiders. New production seems to be much better operationally than the > original, and more plentiful too! > Now I wrote this mostly to start discussions, I don't really have the > answers--actually, I think I have the answer for me, but not necessarily for > you--i.e. Individual results may vary, and the product may have settled > during packaging! > S' > David D. > Save the Delta Queen > A no-cost economic stimulus deal for the rivertowns! > Let congress know by Nov. 20! > www.save-the-delta-queen.org >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50751	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Items for sale

Can you send a list of SHS items for sale to yardmastermodels@... Thanks, Dave. -----Original Message----- From: hjsheff <hjsheff@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 1:41 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Items for sale Hi Group I just found some S Helper #6 turnouts that were produced a couple of years ago. These are NIB and cost $48.00 each. Rights and Lefts. Also have lists of NIB Lionel/Flyer stuff as well as out of stock SHS, and American Model as well as Des Plaines. Set of AM smoothside passenger cars with scale wheels unpainted at $45 each. Also have some special train sets put together in SHS cartons Email me off list for copies of lists. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains hjsheff@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50752	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, A

Try this link for 3mm led.. http://www.lc-led.com/products/n300tglr2k.html Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Dunlop Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, American Models, Legacy Flyer Well,,, some good questions. I guess we'll have to wait and see..... I'm not sure if my son will want my stuff,,, but I think my grandkids will, I'm getting them "hooked" now! Hopefully there will be items available and repairable. "Legacy" is going to expand in width. I've already got some "modern" stuff that is into it's 2nd decade. Is it going to be repairable? Your question on modern parts is maybe even more important. For instance..... If anybody has a SHS F7 with the class lights on it, you better not ever damage those LEDs, because you are not going to find a replacement. and Don apparently does not have any. (Mine are still going strong, but I wanted to put class lights in my F3,,,, go ahead, try and find a 3mm bi-color LED with common anode) (I was able to find some 5mm tri-color ones with common anode, and they work,,, but stuffing them in as a replacement on the F7 would be brutal) (Ok,,, now somebody ask why common anode?) So,,, interesting concerns,,,, I don't have the answers either I'm afraid. cheers phil d --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > > Art has some good questions here, although the "good" questions are the ones > he didn't ask directly. > What is the future of our ability to run our trains long term? Who will most > likely have parts to keep them running? Most of the AF Legacy parts makers > are "backyard" producers, and availability (or production) varies because of > economic times, health of the producer, etc. Currently we seem to be headed > into somewhat dire economic times, likely for years to come--this may be the > major factor for a while! > Modern production also varies, and is more complicated than Legacy products. > While the producing companies are still (at this time) viable entities, most > of them are not in the habit of producing large quantities of spare parts. > It is also really too soon to know what long-term reliability they have > (OTOH, Legacy products do have a decades-old reliability trail --as well as > an "unreliability trail"). > Tough questions! I do own both products, although I am heavily into the > Legacy corner, and I do think one can "build up" a larger motive power pool > with Legacy at less expense than new production--provided one can fix > his/her own stuff. > As with anything, there are exemptions to the rules, for instance the > Docksiders. New production seems to be much better operationally than the > original, and more plentiful too! > Now I wrote this mostly to start discussions, I don't really have the > answers--actually, I think I have the answer for me, but not necessarily for > you--i.e. Individual results may vary, and the product may have settled > during packaging! > S' > David D. > Save the Delta Queen > A no-cost economic stimulus deal for the rivertowns! > Let congress know by Nov. 20! > www.save-the-delta-queen.org > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50753	From: nd5s@arrl.net	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

Roy, See the email from Tom Hawley, he will be at the show and can distribute info. If Tom can't handle you can send to: Ron St.Laurent 4168 Mariner Lane Okemos, MI 48864 Thanks, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND > Ron, > > I can't attend the show, but could send you some promo stuff on two-day > UPS > if you like. > > Just need a snail mail address, no P. O. #'s. > > Roy > > From: nd5s@... > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:23:49 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND > > > Hi Roy, > > There will be literature tables at the entrance to the event. Please feel > free to leave info there. Hope to see you at the show. Table sales are > as > good as last year so we're looking for a sell-out event. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@... > <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> >> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND > >> Ron, >> >> Need any S promo stuff? >> >> Roy Inman >> >> From: nd5s@... <mailto:nd5s%40arrl.net> >> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:49:51 -0500 >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND >> >> >> ** THIS WEEKEND ** >> >> ONE OF MICHIGAN'S LARGEST TRAIN SHOWS >> >> The Lansing Model Railroad Club is sponsoring their annual Train Show on >> Sunday, November 9, 2008. New show times are 10:00 - 4:00. Ticket Sales >> begin at 9:30. >> >> A limited number of tables are still available: Call 517-347-1831. >> >> a.. Over 450 tables. >> b.. 11 display layouts from Z to G Scale and LEGOS! >> c.. Large open venue >> d.. Expanded floor plan now includes auditorium >> e.. Live demos by NMRA North Central Region Division 5 >> a.. New models, toy trains, Thomas the Tank Engine toys, Railroad >> Memorabilia, book and DVDs, collectibles and much, much more! >> >> More details and table reservations can be found at: >> >> http://www.lmrc.org >> >> See the show's TV ad here: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/v/S2vLUJVnQwU >> >> We hope to see you there! >> >> Ron St.Laurent >> >> Lansing Model Railroad Club >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50754	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:

Clayton.....We do have replacement flanges, with and without the vulcanized rubber tread, but they are not SS.....no need for that. I can't visualize flanges wearing down, and that being the reason for derailments, unless they are chipped or cracked. Out-of-gauge drivers is more likely to be the cause. "Drop a dime" between the wheels........it if fits (not REAL snug, but not too loose either), the wheels are gauged OK. If it's sloppy, or won't fit at all, the wheels need gauging. On the replacement flanges, we have them with both the more-common 1.33" diameter, and also the later 1.38" diameter (deeper flange). You can interchange them, as long as you do so on both front and rear flanged axles......don't mix them. <<<Doug do you know if any one has tried to cut new rims from S.S. or just steel? I was thinking the flange was not able the keep the train on the track. The rims for the drivers could be too old - used, and now smaller.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50755	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Pilot wheels spring Question:

Thanks doug, I did read about the Dime trick. What did they make the OEM rims out? Where the rims cast from the same metal as the other castings - loco tenders and such? Or do you know? Clayton --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: > From: Doug Peck <doug@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pilot wheels spring Question: > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:38 PM > Clayton.....We do have replacement flanges, with and without > the > vulcanized rubber tread, but they are not SS.....no need > for that. > > I can't visualize flanges wearing down, and that being > the reason for > derailments, unless they are chipped or cracked. > > Out-of-gauge drivers is more likely to be the cause. > > "Drop a dime" between the wheels........it if > fits (not REAL snug, but > not too loose either), the wheels are gauged OK. If > it's sloppy, or > won't fit at all, the wheels need gauging. > > > > On the replacement flanges, we have them with both the > more-common 1.33" > diameter, and also the later 1.38" diameter (deeper > flange). > > You can interchange them, as long as you do so on both > front and rear > flanged axles......don't mix them. > > > > <<<Doug do you know if any one has tried to cut > new rims from S.S. or > just steel? I was thinking the flange was not able the keep > the train on > the track. The rims for the drivers could be too old - > used, and now > smaller.>>> > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> > www.flyerparts.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: > 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50756	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Fw: Lamp Shades Needed

I sent the following to some train people off the list, since I had pictures of what I am trying to do. But I would like to send this to the list, to see, if anyone has any ideas for a mini lamp shade for a baseball light fixture. Mike Marmer ******************************************************** I just ordered a 100 grain of wheat light bulbs to replace the bulbs in the 29 street lights I now have for the layout. I got some plastic tubing to make extenders for the street lights to make the street pole taller, so that I do not have to push the street pole into the table to hold it up. But in working with the plastic tube, I think this will be a great tube to make light fixtures for the ballpark, as the main upright and the wires will go inside the tube below the table. I then will make two cross arms to hold 8 mini bulbs, two on each side of the main pole. I am trying to figure out what to use as a lamp shade. I found a few on some website, but they are too small. I am trying to find something that is cone shape. I have steel paint from testors. Any ideas will be appreciated, so that Hugo and Che can make more money at the ball park with night games. Also, since I am going to have 8 light fixtures which would be 64 bulbs, plus 29 street lights including lights in buildings, anything I need to know about wiring all this together? Any special equipment? Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50757	From: Glenn	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: OCTOBER DISPATCH

I would like to thank Jeff Madden for another beautifully laid out and informative Dispatch. Jeff you did a great job covering the NASG convention in Lowell, MA. On page 9 I can not take credit for the Conway Scenic Railroad picture. Will the real photographer please take credit. These were my NASG convention photos. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/NASG08.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50758	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed

During dinner, I thought of using a AF aluminum smoke fluid funnel and it is perfect for what I am doing. Now, my next question is wiring all these mini lights together, ballpark lights and street lights, including buildings. Is there a certain wattage of transformer I should use for all the lights? Any special way of wiring. Can I wiring them all together in a line of wire, like accessories and just hook into a transformer. Should this transformer be separate from other accessories? Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; S Trains > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed I sent the following to some train people off the list, since I had pictures of what I am trying to do. But I would like to send this to the list, to see, if anyone has any ideas for a mini lamp shade for a baseball light fixture. Mike Marmer ******************************************************** I just ordered a 100 grain of wheat light bulbs to replace the bulbs in the 29 street lights I now have for the layout. I got some plastic tubing to make extenders for the street lights to make the street pole taller, so that I do not have to push the street pole into the table to hold it up. But in working with the plastic tube, I think this will be a great tube to make light fixtures for the ballpark, as the main upright and the wires will go inside the tube below the table. I then will make two cross arms to hold 8 mini bulbs, two on each side of the main pole. I am trying to figure out what to use as a lamp shade. I found a few on some website, but they are too small. I am trying to find something that is cone shape. I have steel paint from testors. Any ideas will be appreciated, so that Hugo and Che can make more money at the ball park with night games. Also, since I am going to have 8 light fixtures which would be 64 bulbs, plus 29 street lights including lights in buildings, anything I need to know about wiring all this together? Any special equipment? Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50759	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Lamp Shades Needed

Ya Try the funnels that you use to put smoke fluid in your engines... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I sent the following to some train people off the list, since I had pictures of what I am trying to do. > > But I would like to send this to the list, to see, if anyone has any ideas for a mini lamp shade for a baseball light fixture. > > Mike Marmer > ******************************************************** > > I just ordered a 100 grain of wheat light bulbs to replace the bulbs in the 29 street lights I now have for the layout. > > I got some plastic tubing to make extenders for the street lights to make the street pole taller, so that I do not have to push the street pole into the table to hold it up. > > But in working with the plastic tube, I think this will be a great tube to make light fixtures for the ballpark, as the main upright and the wires will go inside the tube below the table. > > I then will make two cross arms to hold 8 mini bulbs, two on each side of the main pole. > > I am trying to figure out what to use as a lamp shade. I found a few on some website, but they are too small. > > I am trying to find something that is cone shape. > > I have steel paint from testors. > > Any ideas will be appreciated, so that Hugo and Che can make more money at the ball park with night games. > > Also, since I am going to have 8 light fixtures which would be 64 bulbs, plus 29 street lights including lights in buildings, anything I need to know about wiring all this together? > > Any special equipment? > > Thanks > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50760	From: Firewood	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Old AF conversion kits

I have read of the early Flyer conversion and detail kits offered by enterprising S scalers.(I have a Frank Titman MR article round these parts somewheres.....) Are these kits still around? Any before/after pics? D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50761	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Lamp Shades Needed

Thanks Ed, as I thought of that during dinner, as Mike Strickland thought of that too, in a private email. Mike also said they could work for speakers, painted black or green. Thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward G. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: Lamp Shades Needed Ya Try the funnels that you use to put smoke fluid in your engines... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I sent the following to some train people off the list, since I had pictures of what I am trying to do. > > But I would like to send this to the list, to see, if anyone has any ideas for a mini lamp shade for a baseball light fixture. > > Mike Marmer > ******************************************************** > > I just ordered a 100 grain of wheat light bulbs to replace the bulbs in the 29 street lights I now have for the layout. > > I got some plastic tubing to make extenders for the street lights to make the street pole taller, so that I do not have to push the street pole into the table to hold it up. > > But in working with the plastic tube, I think this will be a great tube to make light fixtures for the ballpark, as the main upright and the wires will go inside the tube below the table. > > I then will make two cross arms to hold 8 mini bulbs, two on each side of the main pole. > > I am trying to figure out what to use as a lamp shade. I found a few on some website, but they are too small. > > I am trying to find something that is cone shape. > > I have steel paint from testors. > > Any ideas will be appreciated, so that Hugo and Che can make more money at the ball park with night games. > > Also, since I am going to have 8 light fixtures which would be 64 bulbs, plus 29 street lights including lights in buildings, anything I need to know about wiring all this together? > > Any special equipment? > > Thanks > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50762	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Plasticville Hospital Part Needed

If any one has the front steps for a Plasticville Hospital that they would like to sell, please contact me. Thanks, Clifford Manning clifma19@yahoo. com Topeka, KS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50763	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed

DURING DINNER ...YOU..THOUGHT OF USING FUNNELS.....HUMMM Strange how I had sent that very same Idea to you today as well ....Funny how that works Mike ....LOL --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > During dinner, I thought of using a AF aluminum smoke fluid funnel and it is perfect for what I am doing. > > Now, my next question is wiring all these mini lights together, ballpark lights and street lights, including buildings. > > Is there a certain wattage of transformer I should use for all the lights? Any special way of wiring. Can I wiring them all together in a line of wire, like accessories and just hook into a transformer. Should this transformer be separate from other accessories? > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: Toy Trains ; S Trains > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:58 PM > Subject: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed > > > I sent the following to some train people off the list, since I had pictures of what I am trying to do. > > But I would like to send this to the list, to see, if anyone has any ideas for a mini lamp shade for a baseball light fixture. > > Mike Marmer > ******************************************************** > > I just ordered a 100 grain of wheat light bulbs to replace the bulbs in the 29 street lights I now have for the layout. > > I got some plastic tubing to make extenders for the street lights to make the street pole taller, so that I do not have to push the street pole into the table to hold it up. > > But in working with the plastic tube, I think this will be a great tube to make light fixtures for the ballpark, as the main upright and the wires will go inside the tube below the table. > > I then will make two cross arms to hold 8 mini bulbs, two on each side of the main pole. > > I am trying to figure out what to use as a lamp shade. I found a few on some website, but they are too small. > > I am trying to find something that is cone shape. > > I have steel paint from testors. > > Any ideas will be appreciated, so that Hugo and Che can make more money at the ball park with night games. > > Also, since I am going to have 8 light fixtures which would be 64 bulbs, plus 29 street lights including lights in buildings, anything I need to know about wiring all this together? > > Any special equipment? > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50764	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

Greetings! Roy, I will have a table at the Lansing Show .... I can put something on my table or drop it off at the entrance tables if you are not coming our way. Charlie in West Michigan. Charlie Hancock 6843 123 rd. Ave Fennville, MI 49408 ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND Ron, Need any S promo stuff? Roy Inman From: nd5s@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:49:51 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND ** THIS WEEKEND ** ONE OF MICHIGAN'S LARGEST TRAIN SHOWS The Lansing Model Railroad Club is sponsoring their annual Train Show on Sunday, November 9, 2008. New show times are 10:00 - 4:00. Ticket Sales begin at 9:30. A limited number of tables are still available: Call 517-347-1831. a.. Over 450 tables. b.. 11 display layouts from Z to G Scale and LEGOS! c.. Large open venue d.. Expanded floor plan now includes auditorium e.. Live demos by NMRA North Central Region Division 5 a.. New models, toy trains, Thomas the Tank Engine toys, Railroad Memorabilia, book and DVDs, collectibles and much, much more! More details and table reservations can be found at: http://www.lmrc.org See the show's TV ad here: http://www.youtube.com/v/S2vLUJVnQwU We hope to see you there! Ron St.Laurent Lansing Model Railroad Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50765	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Smoke Fluid

Mike, need some Anormal smoke fluid. Please contact me with details. Thanks, Charlie in West Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50766	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed

I can't wait to get the largest non parts dealer order in the world for AF funnels. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward G. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed DURING DINNER ...YOU..THOUGHT OF USING FUNNELS.....HUMMM Strange how I had sent that very same Idea to you today as well ....Funny how that works Mike ....LOL --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > During dinner, I thought of using a AF aluminum smoke fluid funnel and it is perfect for what I am doing. > > Now, my next question is wiring all these mini lights together, ballpark lights and street lights, including buildings. > > Is there a certain wattage of transformer I should use for all the lights? Any special way of wiring. Can I wiring them all together in a line of wire, like accessories and just hook into a transformer. Should this transformer be separate from other accessories? > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: Toy Trains ; S Trains > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:58 PM > Subject: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed > > > I sent the following to some train people off the list, since I had pictures of what I am trying to do. > > But I would like to send this to the list, to see, if anyone has any ideas for a mini lamp shade for a baseball light fixture. > > Mike Marmer > ******************************************************** > > I just ordered a 100 grain of wheat light bulbs to replace the bulbs in the 29 street lights I now have for the layout. > > I got some plastic tubing to make extenders for the street lights to make the street pole taller, so that I do not have to push the street pole into the table to hold it up. > > But in working with the plastic tube, I think this will be a great tube to make light fixtures for the ballpark, as the main upright and the wires will go inside the tube below the table. > > I then will make two cross arms to hold 8 mini bulbs, two on each side of the main pole. > > I am trying to figure out what to use as a lamp shade. I found a few on some website, but they are too small. > > I am trying to find something that is cone shape. > > I have steel paint from testors. > > Any ideas will be appreciated, so that Hugo and Che can make more money at the ball park with night games. > > Also, since I am going to have 8 light fixtures which would be 64 bulbs, plus 29 street lights including lights in buildings, anything I need to know about wiring all this together? > > Any special equipment? > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50767	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Longevity & Parts Future

This is a question that we've been dealing with for some time at the hobby shop. I'll use O gauge as an example since we do far more work on those than S gauge trains. Parts for Lionel stuff are drying up quickly due to the fact that Lionel Trains is no longer stocking them! Lionel "Service Stations" and their own factory repair department and a supply of parts has been a cornerstone of Lionel since the beginning. This has put a real strain on the small parts suppliers struggling to manufacture parts because the costs have skyrocketed! The newer kid on the block, MTH, is also tough to get parts from, and of course they have no group of small parts suppliers. In the case of both the big O gauge manufacturers, a shortage of electronics is a real problem. Lionel electronic e-units which used to be cheap and plentiful have tripled in price and are hard to find. MTH Proto One circuit boards are all but gone, partly becasuse MTH changed boards and doesn't support the early type electronics. We have customers now who are asking if there is some way their trains can be repaired by getting rid of the circuit boards. There is an opening here for someone to make a "universal replacement circuit board" for all O gauge trains. However, with the history of MTH and Lionel jealosly guarding their electronics, we don't see anyone trying to do that. This is one area where being a nitch scale might be an advantage for us. I've been rebuilding junk Flyer for several years, and so far parts are not hard to find. Of course I haven't needed electronics, their availibility is a question in my mind for repair people ten years from now. Stumpy Stone...creative imagineer in Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50768	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, A

Thanks Carl; That's where I got the 5mm tri-color,,, searched them before and could not find the bi-color for anything! Just ordered a sample! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: > > Try this link for 3mm led.. > http://www.lc-led.com/products/n300tglr2k.html > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Dunlop > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:38 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, American Models, Legacy Flyer > > Well,,, some good questions. I guess we'll have to wait and see..... > > I'm not sure if my son will want my stuff,,, but I think my grandkids > will, I'm getting them "hooked" now! Hopefully there will be items > available and repairable. "Legacy" is going to expand in width. > I've already got some "modern" stuff that is into it's 2nd decade. > Is it going to be repairable? > > Your question on modern parts is maybe even more important. For > instance..... If anybody has a SHS F7 with the class lights on it, > you better not ever damage those LEDs, because you are not going to > find a replacement. and Don apparently does not have any. (Mine are > still going strong, but I wanted to put class lights in my F3,,,, go > ahead, try and find a 3mm bi-color LED with common anode) (I was > able to find some 5mm tri-color ones with common anode, and they > work,,, but stuffing them in as a replacement on the F7 would be > brutal) (Ok,,, now somebody ask why common anode?) > > So,,, interesting concerns,,,, I don't have the answers either I'm > afraid. > > cheers > phil d > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@> wrote: > > > > > > Art has some good questions here, although the "good" questions are > the ones > > he didn't ask directly. > > What is the future of our ability to run our trains long term? Who > will most > > likely have parts to keep them running? Most of the AF Legacy parts > makers > > are "backyard" producers, and availability (or production) varies > because of > > economic times, health of the producer, etc. Currently we seem to > be headed > > into somewhat dire economic times, likely for years to come--this > may be the > > major factor for a while! > > Modern production also varies, and is more complicated than Legacy > products. > > While the producing companies are still (at this time) viable > entities, most > > of them are not in the habit of producing large quantities of spare > parts. > > It is also really too soon to know what long-term reliability they > have > > (OTOH, Legacy products do have a decades-old reliability trail -- as > well as > > an "unreliability trail"). > > Tough questions! I do own both products, although I am heavily into > the > > Legacy corner, and I do think one can "build up" a larger motive > power pool > > with Legacy at less expense than new production--provided one can > fix > > his/her own stuff. > > As with anything, there are exemptions to the rules, for instance > the > > Docksiders. New production seems to be much better operationally > than the > > original, and more plentiful too! > > Now I wrote this mostly to start discussions, I don't really have > the > > answers--actually, I think I have the answer for me, but not > necessarily for > > you--i.e. Individual results may vary, and the product may have > settled > > during packaging! > > S' > > David D. > > Save the Delta Queen > > A no-cost economic stimulus deal for the rivertowns! > > Let congress know by Nov. 20! > > www.save-the-delta-queen.org > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50769	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Train Club Listings

Check out... http://clubs.tealray.com (not my site, but looks like it has potential) from the site *'Clubs.TealRay.com is a Community Portal provided by TealRay Media<http://www.tealray.com/>that provides free listings and event promotion for specialized communities' organizations and their activities.* *Serving the Clubs Community* *Clubs.TealRay.com offers a free listing service to groups within the club community: non-profit (or profit) Model Railroading <http://clubs.tealray.com/index.php?category=1>, Live Steam Engines <http://clubs.tealray.com/index.php?category=2>, and more. TealRay Media (a Division of HanoverSoft <http://www.hanoversoft.com/>) believes strongly in supporting community clubs and offers this site as a community portal to them. * *Clubs.TealRay.com lists companies involved with various clubs and maintains current shows/events for those companies, free of cost. You register for a free user id, then register your company, then register your company's activities. Your listing may include your website, contact e-mail, postal address, and a brief description. This is free publicity. * * Members of the clubs community use Clubs.TealRay.com to stay current with events to attend in their area. With a community that frequently visits this web site, your events are posted for them (your potential audience) to see.' * Paul* * [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50770	From: ken garber	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: Lansing Train Show

The Southeast Michigan S Gaugers will be there with their display layout. They may have room for literature. I do believe the NASG banner will be on display. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50771	From: Jim King	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: SR waffle boxcar kits shipping today

This is the last call to get in on the first run of S scale Southern Ry. 50'6" waffle side boxcar kits. Only a few kits remain unspoken for . don't be left out on this unique, modern piece of rolling stock. Go to the link below to view the pilot model pix and description. Each car comes with our new Barber 70-ton roller bearing trucks with ROTATING end caps, also shown on the referenced web page and elsewhere in the web site. http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/southernWaffle.html Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50772	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: OCTOBER DISPATCH

Thanks Glenn for the great convention photos Barry Jamison --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" <gartrain404@...> wrote: > > I would like to thank Jeff Madden > for another beautifully laid > out and informative Dispatch. > Jeff you did a great job > covering the NASG convention > in Lowell, MA. > > On page 9 I can not take credit > for the Conway Scenic Railroad picture. > Will the real photographer please take credit. > > These were my NASG convention photos. > http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/NASG08.html > > Glenn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50773	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

Hi Charlie, As long as you're coming to the Lansing show, please stop by the SMSG display layout and say "hi" to us. We'll be running all day Sunday and it will be nice to put a face to a name! The layout is sectional and measures 14' x 35'. We'll have three trains running at all times (baring any Murphy's Law exceptions). Two routes are SHS flextrack and one is Tomalco code 100. It's impossible to be all things to all people, but we try! Jerry Poniatowski Just Voted on a Beautiful Fall Day in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote: > > Greetings! Roy, I will have a table at the Lansing Show .... I can put something on my table or drop it off at the entrance tables if you are not coming our way. Charlie in West Michigan. Charlie Hancock 6843 123 rd. Ave Fennville, MI 49408

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50774	From: Greg Klein	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Trains and Diecast Vehicles For Sale

I have the following items for sale: LIONEL AMERICAN FLYER: Seaboard Baldwin Switcher -(6-48034)- $200 NEVER OPENED Seaboard Caboose - (6-48724) - $40 NEVER OPENED Southern Pacific Caboose - (6-48700) - $25 NEW IN BOX New York Central Caboose - (4-4904) - $25 NEW IN BOX Wabash Hopper - (6-48603) - $22 NEW IN BOX Wabash Gondola - (6-48503) - $20 NEW IN BOX NYC Flatcar & vans - (6-9005) - $25 NEW IN BOX Southern Pacific Flatcar & vans -(6-48501)- $25 NEW IN BOX Union Pacific Northern (4-8-4) (6-48047) - $360 NEVER OPENED WITH OUTER BOX CODE 3 COLLECTIBLES FIRE ENGINES - 1/64 Scale F.D.N.Y. Seagrave Rear Mount Ladder 37 Truck - $35 NEW IN DISPLAY CASE Ferrara Inferno Pumper Vol F.D. - $15 NEW IN DISPLAY CASE F.D.N.Y. Centennial Set Seagrave Engine 71 and Engine 69 - $50 NEW IN DISPLAY CASES Los Angeles County Crown Pumper Set Engine 18 (red) and Pumper 80 (yellow) - $40 NEW IN DISPLAY CASES Buyer pays actual shipping charges and optional insurance (if you want it) via USPS priority mail. Pictures of Code 3 models available on request. If interested in any of the items, please contact me off line at moviemadness2@ yahoo.com I would prefer using personal check or money order. Thanks! Greg Klein Baltimore Area American Flyer Club NASG 90R-0550E TCA 04-57049 TTOS 15685 S Available Email - moviemadness2@ yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50775	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Poniatowski . . . . As long as you're coming to the Lansing show, please stop by the SMSG display layout and say "hi" to us. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > I will also be there with 10 tables of new stuff, AM, SHS, &c. Stop and have a look. Tom Hawley -- dba Michigan Models

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50776	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

gas is cheap. Where in Lansing will it be? I will be at the S-fest the following week end. --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> wrote: From: Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:34 AM Hi Charlie, As long as you're coming to the Lansing show, please stop by the SMSG display layout and say "hi" to us. We'll be running all day Sunday and it will be nice to put a face to a name! The layout is sectional and measures 14' x 35'. We'll have three trains running at all times (baring any Murphy's Law exceptions). Two routes are SHS flextrack and one is Tomalco code 100. It's impossible to be all things to all people, but we try! Jerry Poniatowski Just Voted on a Beautiful Fall Day in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@ ...> wrote: > > Greetings! Roy, I will have a table at the Lansing Show .... I can put something on my table or drop it off at the entrance tables if you are not coming our way. Charlie in West Michigan. Charlie Hancock 6843 123 rd. Ave Fennville, MI 49408 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50777	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Lamp Shades Needed

Miniatronics has great O-scale (which work fine on an S layout) old fashioned green lamp shades with very small 12v bulbs in them. http://www.miniatronics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=72-512- 03&Category_Code=&Product_Count=0 They also sell them in HO and HO brass unpainted lamp shades separately. http://www.miniatronics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? Scroll down this page from the Walthers site for a listing of these Miniatronics and others from different manufacturers. Should be something in there similar to what you need. http://www.walthers.com/exec/search? quick=lamp+shade

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50778	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed

you could use a separate transformer for just the light.  I assume you calculated for wattage.   Maybe a Bachman HO transformer 6va would work nice using the AC posts. --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 6:38 PM During dinner, I thought of using a AF aluminum smoke fluid funnel and it is perfect for what I am doing. Now, my next question is wiring all these mini lights together, ballpark lights and street lights, including buildings. Is there a certain wattage of transformer I should use for all the lights? Any special way of wiring. Can I wiring them all together in a line of wire, like accessories and just hook into a transformer. Should this transformer be separate from other accessories? Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; S Trains > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed I sent the following to some train people off the list, since I had pictures of what I am trying to do. But I would like to send this to the list, to see, if anyone has any ideas for a mini lamp shade for a baseball light fixture. Mike Marmer ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******** I just ordered a 100 grain of wheat light bulbs to replace the bulbs in the 29 street lights I now have for the layout. I got some plastic tubing to make extenders for the street lights to make the street pole taller, so that I do not have to push the street pole into the table to hold it up. But in working with the plastic tube, I think this will be a great tube to make light fixtures for the ballpark, as the main upright and the wires will go inside the tube below the table. I then will make two cross arms to hold 8 mini bulbs, two on each side of the main pole. I am trying to figure out what to use as a lamp shade. I found a few on some website, but they are too small. I am trying to find something that is cone shape. I have steel paint from testors. Any ideas will be appreciated, so that Hugo and Che can make more money at the ball park with night games. Also, since I am going to have 8 light fixtures which would be 64 bulbs, plus 29 street lights including lights in buildings, anything I need to know about wiring all this together? Any special equipment? Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50779	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50780	From: bruce weidner	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: SR waffle boxcar kits shipping today

Jim just checked out your website, been casting and molding as a side hobby but will most likely never do it as a job.  You have some great kits in S How about some non Southern railroad equipment??? Will probably  try one of your  kits as soon as I get some more pressing projects finished(like my layout) I am a die hard S gauger with a serious O gauge habit. Keep up the good work as in S and O there is not lot of kits out there for those like me who want to "build" some trains but do not want to work in HO. --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote: From: Jim King <jimking3@...> Subject: [S-Trains] SR waffle boxcar kits shipping today To: MFCL@yahoogroups.com, RPM-forum@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, SSPM@yahoogroups.com, SSTOT@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Southern Modeler" <SOUTHERNmodeler@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:39 AM This is the last call to get in on the first run of S scale Southern Ry. 50'6" waffle side boxcar kits. Only a few kits remain unspoken for . don't be left out on this unique, modern piece of rolling stock. Go to the link below to view the pilot model pix and description. Each car comes with our new Barber 70-ton roller bearing trucks with ROTATING end caps, also shown on the referenced web page and elsewhere in the web site. http://www.smokymou ntainmodelworks. com/southernWaff le.html Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmo delworks. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50781	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

Greetings Jerry! Thanks for the invitation ..... will stop by when I can get a few minutes away from my table. Look forward to seeing the layout and meeting the "guys". Best, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Poniatowski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND Hi Charlie, As long as you're coming to the Lansing show, please stop by the SMSG display layout and say "hi" to us. We'll be running all day Sunday and it will be nice to put a face to a name! The layout is sectional and measures 14' x 35'. We'll have three trains running at all times (baring any Murphy's Law exceptions). Two routes are SHS flextrack and one is Tomalco code 100. It's impossible to be all things to all people, but we try! Jerry Poniatowski Just Voted on a Beautiful Fall Day in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote: > > Greetings! Roy, I will have a table at the Lansing Show .... I can put something on my table or drop it off at the entrance tables if you are not coming our way. Charlie in West Michigan. Charlie Hancock 6843 123 rd. Ave Fennville, MI 49408 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50782	From: nd5s@arrl.net	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

MSU Pavilion, East Lansing. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: <n9guy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND > Where in Lansing?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50783	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Lansing Train Show / Location

Greetings! Show location is the MSU Pavilion,corner of Farm Lane, Forest RD. & College RD. From I96 West bound, Exit Okemos RD North(110) and West on Jolly to College RD, North on College to Forest. From I96 Eastbound, exit 127/496 Northbound to Jolly RD (exit11), Collins RD North To Forest and go East on Forest. This info comes from the map I received, as it is my first time there, I too will be searching! Safe journey, stop by ..... Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50784	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

----- Original Message ----- From: mike rosz Where in Lansing will it be? > > > > > > > > > > > > Several (well, two) people have asked, so here it is for the whole list. It is on the south side of the Michigan State University campus in East Lansing, in the building MSU calls the Pavilion. Mt Hope Rd is a major east-west road thru Lansing and East Lansing, and "Farm Lane" is as major MSU campus north-south road. If you can find the intersection of those roads, look south and you'll see the Pavilion. Or you can put "Mt Hope & Farm Lane, East Lansing MI" and get a map. I just tried it. It works. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50785	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed

Thanks Mike. I do have two MRC HO transformers from the 60's. I will check them out. And I still have the box for the better one too! LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: mike rosz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed you could use a separate transformer for just the light. I assume you calculated for wattage. Maybe a Bachman HO transformer 6va would work nice using the AC posts. --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 6:38 PM During dinner, I thought of using a AF aluminum smoke fluid funnel and it is perfect for what I am doing. Now, my next question is wiring all these mini lights together, ballpark lights and street lights, including buildings. Is there a certain wattage of transformer I should use for all the lights? Any special way of wiring. Can I wiring them all together in a line of wire, like accessories and just hook into a transformer. Should this transformer be separate from other accessories? Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; S Trains > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: [toytrains] Lamp Shades Needed I sent the following to some train people off the list, since I had pictures of what I am trying to do. But I would like to send this to the list, to see, if anyone has any ideas for a mini lamp shade for a baseball light fixture. Mike Marmer ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******** I just ordered a 100 grain of wheat light bulbs to replace the bulbs in the 29 street lights I now have for the layout. I got some plastic tubing to make extenders for the street lights to make the street pole taller, so that I do not have to push the street pole into the table to hold it up. But in working with the plastic tube, I think this will be a great tube to make light fixtures for the ballpark, as the main upright and the wires will go inside the tube below the table. I then will make two cross arms to hold 8 mini bulbs, two on each side of the main pole. I am trying to figure out what to use as a lamp shade. I found a few on some website, but they are too small. I am trying to find something that is cone shape. I have steel paint from testors. Any ideas will be appreciated, so that Hugo and Che can make more money at the ball park with night games. Also, since I am going to have 8 light fixtures which would be 64 bulbs, plus 29 street lights including lights in buildings, anything I need to know about wiring all this together? Any special equipment? Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50786	From: jim_marski	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Denver, Colorado Train Show

The Rocky Mountain Division of TCA will be hosting their 31st Annual Holiday Toy Train Show and Sale on Saturday and Sunday, November 29th and 30th- Thanksgiving weekend. Hours are Sat 10 AM to 5 Pm, Sunday 10 AM to 2 PM. Shoe being held at the Crowne Plaza at I-70 and chambers Road. There will be appx 300 tables of trains including lots of S. There will also be two operating S gauge layouts. Hope to see you there. Jim Marski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50787	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: NRVMRR Show

The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will be setting up their layout this weekend, November 8-9, at the Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show at the Exposition Center at the State Fairgrounds in Raleigh, NC.  Show times are 9 to 5 each day.  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50788	From: roy inman	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: Denver, Colorado Train Show

Jim, Do you need some S promo materials? Roy Inman From: jim_marski <jim_marski@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:23:34 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Denver, Colorado Train Show The Rocky Mountain Division of TCA will be hosting their 31st Annual Holiday Toy Train Show and Sale on Saturday and Sunday, November 29th and 30th- Thanksgiving weekend. Hours are Sat 10 AM to 5 Pm, Sunday 10 AM to 2 PM. Shoe being held at the Crowne Plaza at I-70 and chambers Road. There will be appx 300 tables of trains including lots of S. There will also be two operating S gauge layouts. Hope to see you there. Jim Marski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50789	From: Jim King	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: SR waffle boxcar kits shipping today

Bruce, I have several non-Southern kits planned, including the SAL roundroof box, B&O wagontop box and the MILW ribbed side box. Open top cars include the N&W H9 hopper and C&O oval end gon. If there is sufficient interest, a low side SAL gon might be done. I'm also working on more modern cars and 4 cabooses, which will be announced soon. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50790	From: roy inman	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND

Charlie, Tom Hawley contacted me earlier for some promo stuff for his tables, so I sent a box full. There should be enough for you and him to share. Wish I could attend. Have a good show :) Roy From: charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:52:05 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND Greetings! Roy, I will have a table at the Lansing Show .... I can put something on my table or drop it off at the entrance tables if you are not coming our way. Charlie in West Michigan. Charlie Hancock 6843 123 rd. Ave Fennville, MI 49408 ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND Ron, Need any S promo stuff? Roy Inman From: nd5s@... <mailto:nd5s%40arrl.net> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:49:51 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] LANSING MICHIGAN TRAIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND ** THIS WEEKEND ** ONE OF MICHIGAN'S LARGEST TRAIN SHOWS The Lansing Model Railroad Club is sponsoring their annual Train Show on Sunday, November 9, 2008. New show times are 10:00 - 4:00. Ticket Sales begin at 9:30. A limited number of tables are still available: Call 517-347-1831. a.. Over 450 tables. b.. 11 display layouts from Z to G Scale and LEGOS! c.. Large open venue d.. Expanded floor plan now includes auditorium e.. Live demos by NMRA North Central Region Division 5 a.. New models, toy trains, Thomas the Tank Engine toys, Railroad Memorabilia, book and DVDs, collectibles and much, much more! More details and table reservations can be found at: http://www.lmrc.org See the show's TV ad here: http://www.youtube.com/v/S2vLUJVnQwU We hope to see you there! Ron St.Laurent Lansing Model Railroad Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50791	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Rex 2-6-0

They all ask why don't we build more and get out of hi rail and my answer is there should be plans on all our old engine like your REX that tell us what to buy and who to buy from. I can't see why the makers of the parts you used on your fine project can't give us a reason to buy their parts. Like Part xyxyxxy can be used on a AF Pacific and a Rex 0-6-0, see picture 12 and 18. Am I being unreasonable.  I am not selling eigine details, but I am working on a 283 AF plastic engine and I don't know what parts to add to it, so it sits around for 5 years until I have time to figure it out. So why can't about 5 of us say lets work together and help each other. Here is what I found, what have you found? Jim Sleeth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50792	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Track Wanted

I would like to buy 60 curved and about 20 straight S gauge track. Decent shape. For operation.Thanks,Bill Lyon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50793	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: NRVMRR Show

this is n confict with the show in Lansing Michigan. --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: [S-Trains] NRVMRR Show To: "S Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 10:22 AM The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will be setting up their layout this weekend, November 8-9, at the Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show at the Exposition Center at the State Fairgrounds in Raleigh, NC.  Show times are 9 to 5 each day.  Joe's Train Repair.##### ######### ######### ####.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.####### ######### ######### ###.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###### ######### ####.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaine s Hobbies.##.S- Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@ yahoo.com.########### ######### .Master Card/Visa honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50795	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: Track Wanted

Are you open to cleaning such? To: s-trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: billyon9@...: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:08:19 -0500Subject: [S-Trains] Track Wanted I would like to buy 60 curved and about 20 straight S gauge track. Decent shape. For operation.Thanks,Bill Lyon[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50797	From: John Metzger	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lansing Train Show / Location

I'm from Missouri and do not know what MSU stands for?  What state are we talking about? Thank you, John. ________________________________ From: charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 12:21:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lansing Train Show / Location Greetings! Show location is the MSU Pavilion,corner of Farm Lane, Forest RD. & College RD. From I96 West bound, Exit Okemos RD North(110) and West on Jolly to College RD, North on College to Forest. From I96 Eastbound, exit 127/496 Northbound to Jolly RD (exit11), Collins RD North To Forest and go East on Forest. This info comes from the map I received, as it is my first time there, I too will be searching! Safe journey, stop by ..... Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50798	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lansing Train Show / Location

As an Ohio State Grad, I know that MSU stands for Michigan State University, a fellow Big 10 (or is that 11 now) institution. Best, Don On Nov 6, 2008, at 11:51 AM, John Metzger wrote: > I'm from Missouri and do not know what MSU stands for? What state > are we talking about? Thank you, > John. > > ________________________________ > From: charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 12:21:03 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Lansing Train Show / Location > > Greetings! Show location is the MSU Pavilion,corner of Farm Lane, > Forest RD. & College RD. From I96 West bound, Exit Okemos RD > North(110) and West on Jolly to College RD, North on College to > Forest. From I96 Eastbound, exit 127/496 Northbound to Jolly RD > (exit11), Collins RD North To Forest and go East on Forest. This > info comes from the map I received, as it is my first time there, I > too will be searching! Safe journey, stop by ..... Charlie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50799	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Street lights

Last week my wife dragged me into the Christmas decorations aisle at one of the local Lowes. They had a lot of cool stuff including some circus rides but what caught my attention was the "Carole Towne" street lights. I took my scale ruler back and measured them and they are 20 scale feet tall. Just about the right size for S-gauge. They had two different kinds, both have yellow LED's for bulbs and are powered by 3 volts, either from the attached battery box or they also have several small switching power supplies. A three pack of the single lamp posts was $5.97 and the two pack of 3 light lamp posts was $6.97. They also have a 4 sided town clock on a post which measures 22 scale feet tall. That might fit in front of a city hall or other public building. I picked up a handful of each to add to my layout. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50800	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?

Does anybody make an S-Helper accessory track with stanchion for the Gilbert Operating Mail Car?  Or have any of you kitbashed one?  Our club is using S-Helper flex track on its modules and I want to be able to use my mail car on it somehow. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50801	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Train Show, north of Indianapolis

On Saturday 8 Nov there will be an all-S train show in the Carmel Lions Clubhouse, 141 East Main Str, in Carmel Indiana. The hours are 10 AM to 3 PM. I will be there with my staff of trained salesmen and all the usual goods plus more new stuff. Rumor has it River Raisin will be represented, and many other quality dealers too. In the new stuff department, I just got the Southern waffle-side boxcar kits and the roller-bearing truck kits from Smoky Mountain. I'll also have some of the new APL intermodal containers, reefer and dry. Tom Hawley -- Michigan Models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50802	From: mikenguy9	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Flyer 714 acessory strip

does SHS or AM make the track trip for the log car? when using Flyer track?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50803	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Fw: Ligthing

A update on train layout, as I am about to install 30 street lights and make light towers for the ballpark. This was sent to the TCA list, so the beginning is a response to someone who wanted to make lighting for a airport runway. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: Ligthing Best of luck to the person who wants to make a lighted airport runway. I think the idea of using Christmas lights, clear, is great. Just use a drill bit the size of the bulb socket, drill hole and push up the bulb from underneath the board. Use tape or toothpicks from underneath to hold in place. Push landscape material around it and it will look perfect. Plastic tubing around the green socket might be good, as you can paint it any color you wish. I just installed some optical sensors in my track for crossing gates and that is how it is written to do it. The ballast filled in any gaps. Also, you can not really see the optical sensors in the track at all, which is not what you want. Also, a month or two ago, I sent a picture to the TTML of a street light I had from the 1960's, if anyone knew who made them. Someone said they where Mantura or Tyco. I did not think that was it, as I still thought they where Atlas. Well, I did get confirmation from a Ebayer that I got 20 of these lights from that they where made by Life Like. I also got five more from another Ebayer. So now I am set. I ordered some replacement Life Like Grain of Wheat bulbs and they fit perfect. But I order a bulk of 100 and they came yesterday. They did not fit as well as the Life Like and the wire is much shorter. So I ordered more Life Like Bulbs. But wait, I have a good need for these lights I got in bulk. Baseball lights for my ballpark! I got some tubing from Evergreen Plastic to make 8 light towers. Then I will make 2 cross arm for each tower. So, now I have the bulbs, the tubing, but I needed something for a lampshade that would be used for baseball type lighting. American Flyer Smoke Fluid Funnels in aluminum!!!!!!! I do not have to paint them at all. I got a great deal on 100, as I needed 64 or so. It would of cost me as much for 64 because they would have to count them out. Plus some might be damage, since they are metal. So this must be the largest end user order of AF Smoke Fluid Funnels in the world!!! So now, my ball field will have night games next season!!!!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50804	From: Scale S Only	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Ligthing

Waiting for the night photos! Bill Winans A update on train layout, as I am about to install 30 street lights and make light towers for the ballpark. Mike M.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50805	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Re: Track Wanted

Bill, WHERE are you located?? Price of shipping is an issue. Jim Lyle **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50806	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Re: Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, A

OK OK OK   I agree with you about replacement parts for engines and cars ( wheels and couplers ). I buy klunkers at train shows,  because most sellers are too high in their pricing.  then I am trying to find a part and can not.  There were a few places actually one  place where I really trusted.  and got good service and his building was torn down (urban renewal )  and he could not afford to relocate.   And then you are told  "ITS COLLECTABLE "   add $$$  at another store.    And now my project is to replace link couplers which have broken with new link couplers. --- On Mon, 11/3/08, David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Longevity & Parts future--WAS "S" Gauge Northern Loco: Lionel, American Models, Legacy Flyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 8:56 AM Art has some good questions here, although the "good" questions are the ones he didn't ask directly. What is the future of our ability to run our trains long term? Who will most likely have parts to keep them running? Most of the AF Legacy parts makers are "backyard" producers, and availability (or production) varies because of economic times, health of the producer, etc. Currently we seem to be headed into somewhat dire economic times, likely for years to come--this may be the major factor for a while! Modern production also varies, and is more complicated than Legacy products. While the producing companies are still (at this time) viable entities, most of them are not in the habit of producing large quantities of spare parts. It is also really too soon to know what long-term reliability they have (OTOH, Legacy products do have a decades-old reliability trail --as well as an "unreliability trail"). Tough questions! I do own both products, although I am heavily into the Legacy corner, and I do think one can "build up" a larger motive power pool with Legacy at less expense than new production-- provided one can fix his/her own stuff. As with anything, there are exemptions to the rules, for instance the Docksiders. New production seems to be much better operationally than the original, and more plentiful too! Now I wrote this mostly to start discussions, I don't really have the answers--actually, I think I have the answer for me, but not necessarily for you--i.e. Individual results may vary, and the product may have settled during packaging! S' David D. Save the Delta Queen A no-cost economic stimulus deal for the rivertowns! Let congress know by Nov. 20! www.save-the- delta-queen. org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50807	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Ligthing

LOL It might be awhile, but hopefully not. I think it will look great with the ballpark, street lights, hated Citgo Sign, LOL, and building all lit up. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Ligthing Waiting for the night photos! Bill Winans A update on train layout, as I am about to install 30 street lights and make light towers for the ballpark. Mike M. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50808	From: nd5s@arrl.net	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Lansing Train Show / Location

Michigan State University. Details can be found at www.lmrc.org Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Metzger" <johnm_63379@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lansing Train Show / Location I'm from Missouri and do not know what MSU stands for? What state are we talking about? Thank you, John.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50809	From: John	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Ligthing

Mike I was at Lowes today and they have some nice flood lights - 2 in a pack for about $5.00 with battery back in the Christmas decoration section. I may pick up a few for future projects John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>; "steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>; "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...>; "Cookie Flannery" <cookster1030@...> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Ligthing >A update on train layout, as I am about to install 30 street lights and >make light towers for the ballpark. > > This was sent to the TCA list, so the beginning is a response to someone > who wanted to make lighting for a airport runway. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: Toy Trains > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:43 PM > Subject: Ligthing > > > Best of luck to the person who wants to make a lighted airport runway. > > I think the idea of using Christmas lights, clear, is great. > > Just use a drill bit the size of the bulb socket, drill hole and push up > the bulb from underneath the board. Use tape or toothpicks from > underneath to hold in place. Push landscape material around it and it > will look perfect. Plastic tubing around the green socket might be good, > as you can paint it any color you wish. > > I just installed some optical sensors in my track for crossing gates and > that is how it is written to do it. The ballast filled in any gaps. > Also, you can not really see the optical sensors in the track at all, > which is not what you want. > > Also, a month or two ago, I sent a picture to the TTML of a street light I > had from the 1960's, if anyone knew who made them. Someone said they > where Mantura or Tyco. I did not think that was it, as I still thought > they where Atlas. > > Well, I did get confirmation from a Ebayer that I got 20 of these lights > from that they where made by Life Like. I also got five more from > another Ebayer. So now I am set. > > I ordered some replacement Life Like Grain of Wheat bulbs and they fit > perfect. > > But I order a bulk of 100 and they came yesterday. > > They did not fit as well as the Life Like and the wire is much shorter. > So I ordered more Life Like Bulbs. > > But wait, I have a good need for these lights I got in bulk. > > Baseball lights for my ballpark! > > I got some tubing from Evergreen Plastic to make 8 light towers. Then I > will make 2 cross arm for each tower. > > So, now I have the bulbs, the tubing, but I needed something for a > lampshade that would be used for baseball type lighting. > > American Flyer Smoke Fluid Funnels in aluminum!!!!!!! > > I do not have to paint them at all. I got a great deal on 100, as I > needed 64 or so. It would of cost me as much for 64 because they would > have to count them out. Plus some might be damage, since they are metal. > So this must be the largest end user order of AF Smoke Fluid Funnels in > the world!!! > > So now, my ball field will have night games next season!!!!! > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50810	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?

SHS does not make a mail-pole section for their track, but we have made some for customers. We just did one this week, and have not yet mailed it to the customer.......I'll try to post a photo of it on our own website later today or this evening. It requires an original or repro mail-pole (which will be disassembled), and an SHS Accessory third-rail pickup track section. You can supply your own, or we can supply both for you, and do the assembly. <<<<Does anybody make an S-Helper accessory track with stanchion for the Gilbert Operating Mail Car? Or have any of you kitbashed one? Our club is using S-Helper flex track on its modules and I want to be able to use my mail car on it somehow.>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50811	From: Mike	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Custom Made AF 4-12-2

Put several photos including some amazing shots of a custom made Texas (think that is the correct terminology). The photo album name is: Custom AF Locomotives Also on the home page in New Photos. Very best, Mike Spanier Chicago

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50812	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: SHOW TIME UPDATE

The GREAT ALLENTOWN TRAIN MEET is this weekend, Allentown Fairgrounds. 9 to 4 on Sat, 9 to 3 on Sunday. $6.00 Admission at the door. KEYSTONE MEET (TCA) Sat Nov 15th at St Philip's RCC in Millersville, PA, junction PA 999 and 741. TCA members admitted at 9 AM ($4.00), General Public 10 AM (Family $5.00) GILBERTSVILLE (ORIGINAL) TRAIN MEET, Sunday Dec 7th. Admission at door, Opens 9 AM. ALL are good shows, close to Central, Eastern PA, New York and New Jersey, etc. Hope to see you there. Jim " heading to Allentown" Lyle **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50813	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Train Videos

Below are links to some videos from the participation of the Carolinas and Georgia divisions of the Atlantic coast S Gaugers at the Great Train Expo in Knoxville, TN.  There are two videos of long train consists (104 and 146 car trains) and one of Nick Cianciosi's handpowered train race using S-Helper Service DC equipment. 104 car train: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjRUOl1Jpeo 146 car train: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yonfi1NNWQ Train Race: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzy5aEO4zjc&NR=1 ACSG Web Site: http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/ We had great fun running those long trains! Thanks to Marvin Thiel for the great videos!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50814	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Longevity & Parts

As I said earlier, we're in a little better position in S than the O gaugers are. Being more of a "nitch" scale today makes the need for repair parts lower, so availible supplies last longer for old Flyer. However, this is a two edged sword as we also have fewer of the small manufacturers of parts making stuff for us. "It's collectable" thinking is also a two edged sword...On the one hand if old trains weren't collectable, there would be no parts around today to fix our stuff, but on the other hand, some dealers at shows and on eBay price their parts way out of reason because "it's collectable." Your best bet for old Flyer parts (in my experiance) is to use well known parts people such as Portlines, Fred's, and others who have been around a while. If you are going to shop shows or eBay for parts be VERY careful. As far as the new stuff is concerned, there is no track record yet as to their longevity. Electronics are the biggest worry for a number of reasons. They're expensiive, replacements are already hard to find, they will be long out of production in ten years, let alone fifty, and unlike other parts, you won't be able to buy "old junker locos" to strip for electronic parts because that will probably be why they are "old junker locos!" But, once again, this is a two sided deal...We run our trains a lot less than the old Flyer was run and care for it better, so wear and tear won't be nearly the issue for the new stuff. And how many of us will be around fifty years from now to care? In the unlikely event that I live to 108 years old, I'll probably have other concerns, like drooling in my oatmeal! And most of today's kids couldn't care less about old toy trains, let alone in fifty years! So let's fix them and run them and enjoy them today. Stumpy Stone...with a backlog of old Flyer engines to work on...in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50815	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Lansing Train Show / Location

and he notes - Lansing is in Michigan. Michigan State University (MSU) is in Lansing. The train show is at MSU. Try the link for more info: https://www.msu.edu/~tdc2/lmrc/ Raleigh in damp Maine... 6/2008, John Metzger wrote: >I'm from Missouri and do not know what MSU stands for? What state >are we talking about? Thank you, >John. > >________________________________ >From: charlie and edith ><<mailto:charlieandedith%40i2k.com>charlieandedith@...> >To: <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com>s-trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 12:21:03 AM >Subject: [S-Trains] Lansing Train Show / Location > >Greetings! Show location is the MSU Pavilion,corner of Farm Lane, >Forest RD. & College RD. From I96 West bound, Exit Okemos RD >North(110) and West on Jolly to College RD, North on College to >Forest. From I96 Eastbound, exit 127/496 Northbound to Jolly RD >(exit11), Collins RD North To Forest and go East on Forest. This >info comes from the map I received, as it is my first time there, I >too will be searching! Safe journey, stop by ..... Charlie > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50816	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Are prices too high?

While I have the computer all cranked up and my wife doesn't want on it to play all her damn games...Are the prices for S gauge trains, both new and old, too high today? That depends on several factors..... The new stuff seems overpriced, but on the other hand we all know price per unit goes down as the numbers produced go up. Therefore it is unfair to compare the price of an O gauge engine and an S gauge engine, even though the O gauge one is larger and requires more materials to make. There are simply going to be more O gauge engines of a type produced! Then you've got to consider that the new stuff is made a long way away, so shipping is a factor that it didn't used to be in the days of A.C.Gilbert. And of course how much do the electronics, which give us all the neat sound and control options many of us want, add to the price of our trains? So maybe the new items are priced right. But by the same measure, I'm afraid the same can't be said of "collectable" Flyer. They have no electronics, aren't shipped a long distance, and were made in much higher numbers than the S stuff made today. They are already used, and face deterioration of many parts due to age. While exceptionally nice examples are probably worth close to what is asked, most of the stuff remaining on the market is way higher than it is worth. However, it appears that prices are coming down as the dealers seem to have found the upper limit of the price ranges, especially for the more common items. Now here's a factor you don't hear much about that effects prices: No matter what kind of statistics are being used to try to prove otherwise, our standard of living isn't what it was just a few years ago. (They say we ought to be happy that we don't pay for gas what we do for milk. Well, I don't tend to drink twenty gallons of milk at one time!) As our standard of living goes lower, prices effectively go "higher" because we can't afford as much spending on hobbies. My guess is that damn few of us are buying as many trains this year as we bought last year. Therefore the lower standard of living made the prices on everything higher, and there's little any manufacturer or dealer can do about that! Comments? Questions? Suggsetions? Stumpy Stone...climbing down off my soap box...but as the Govenator says "I'll be back!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50817	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Are prices too high?

Stumpy: I always like your posts. I agree on your opinion of prices for the new and the old. For me, my budget for trains was slashed 90% from 07. Allentown PA is this weekend, I'm not going to be there. Same goes for the Maurer auction in Pottstown PA of AF this month. There is a silver lining in that statement though, to get my train "hit" I'm working my junk box. Did nice work on a AF caboose. I cut out the cupola, laid a new roof, catwalk, and added two additional windows right under where the cupola used to be, on the same line as the existing four windows. Kind of like a bunk house on wheels for my work train. My wife gave me some Garden Railways magazines from the ninties. They have some interesting projects I can adapt to S. As I'm looking at these magazines and getting ideas, lo and behold the author of some of these projects is you! My next project I got from that source will be converting a AF caboose (I got a lot of them. Don't we all?) to a snowplow. You cut away the body up to the cupola, keep the frame and make a plow end on the side you cut out. You can file this under "when given lemons, make lemonade" Good Luck to all, Bob Moyer -------------- Original message from "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...>: -------------- While I have the computer all cranked up and my wife doesn't want on it to play all her damn games...Are the prices for S gauge trains, both new and old, too high today? That depends on several factors..... The new stuff seems overpriced, but on the other hand we all know price per unit goes down as the numbers produced go up. Therefore it is unfair to compare the price of an O gauge engine and an S gauge engine, even though the O gauge one is larger and requires more materials to make. There are simply going to be more O gauge engines of a type produced! Then you've got to consider that the new stuff is made a long way away, so shipping is a factor that it didn't used to be in the days of A.C.Gilbert. And of course how much do the electronics, which give us all the neat sound and control options many of us want, add to the price of our trains? So maybe the new items are priced right. But by the same measure, I'm afraid the same can't be said of "collectable" Flyer. They have no electronics, aren't shipped a long distance, and were made in much higher numbers than the S stuff made today. They are already used, and face deterioration of many parts due to age. While exceptionally nice examples are probably worth close to what is asked, most of the stuff remaining on the market is way higher than it is worth. However, it appears that prices are coming down as the dealers seem to have found the upper limit of the price ranges, especially for the more common items. Now here's a factor you don't hear much about that effects prices: No matter what kind of statistics are being used to try to prove otherwise, our standard of living isn't what it was just a few years ago. (They say we ought to be happy that we don't pay for gas what we do for milk. Well, I don't tend to drink twenty gallons of milk at one time!) As our standard of living goes lower, prices effectively go "higher" because we can't afford as much spending on hobbies. My guess is that damn few of us are buying as many trains this year as we bought last year. Therefore the lower standard of living made the prices on everything higher, and there's little any manufacturer or dealer can do about that! Comments? Questions? Suggsetions? Stumpy Stone...climbing down off my soap box...but as the Govenator says "I'll be back!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50818	From: John Shannon	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Feeder to Buss connections

I have searched the archives and I have not found a post on the preferred method of connecting the track feeder wires (22 gage) to the undertable buss wiring (14 gage). Is it best to cut the buss, twist together and solder, or use those blue plastic clip things or ??? Also, is it necessary to twist stranded buss wiring to prevent magnetic currents, if so, how many twists per foot?? Thanks, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50819	From: Roy Meissner	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest only 2 weeks away!

Sorry for the delay in replying to you, I have been gone for 10 days and got home last night. $15.00 covers you, your spouse, and all minor children under 18. Roy J Meissner registrar ----- Original Message ----- From: <n9guy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest only 2 weeks away! >A question I must ask: > > Is it $15.00 for each member of the family? > > Or is it $15.00 and ALL members are included? > _____________________________________________________________ > Click to find airline tickets for your next trip. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nMQlNr9LADqn3qCsuL2cUcyreC2YRt3cx3CoNLVtGCkkIQL/?count=1234567890 > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50820	From: John	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Train Show, north of Indianapolis

Just checking to verify there is a train show at the Carmel Lions club house tomorrow November 8 10am - 3pm AND A Train show at the MSU campus Lansing, MI November 9th assuming same time 10am - 3-pm Please verify both shows!! Thank you John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50821	From: John	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections

John IMHO Wrap 1 or 2 turns of the 22 gauge wire around the individual bare section of each 14 gauge wire and solder each connection. That way you would have a good mechanical connection from each rail to each of your buss wires. John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Shannon" <jshannon148@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Feeder to Buss connections >I have searched the archives and I have not found a post on the > preferred method of connecting the track feeder wires (22 gage) to the > undertable buss wiring (14 gage). Is it best to cut the buss, twist > together and solder, or use those blue plastic clip things or ??? > > Also, is it necessary to twist stranded buss wiring to prevent > magnetic currents, if so, how many twists per foot?? > > Thanks, John > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50822	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Train Show, north of Indianapolis

I was planning on MSU as Saturday.  I could always head over the thewife's son in Grand Rapids if it is not there. --- On Fri, 11/7/08, John <beebear@...> wrote: From: John <beebear@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Show, north of Indianapolis To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 12:19 PM Just checking to verify there is a train show at the Carmel Lions club house tomorrow November 8 10am - 3pm AND A Train show at the MSU campus Lansing, MI November 9th assuming same time 10am - 3-pm Please verify both shows!! Thank you John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50823	From: Grant	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?

I could not find one so I made one. Pretty easy to make and works fine using the flyer one Cut about 2 1/8 inches of the brown ties from a straight track (in the middle) and slip it underneath the copper. I used some hot glue underneath to keep it place. Grant --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Does anybody make an S-Helper accessory track with stanchion for the Gilbert Operating Mail Car? Or have any of you kitbashed one? Our club is using S-Helper flex track on its modules and I want to be able to use my mail car on it somehow. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50824	From: len_hall	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Hinged Bridge

Hi: I've posted some pictures of our club's bridge in the Photo Album area. It is the same size as our modules and can be placed anywhere in the layout. There are six component parts, the bridge, two ends, two 2x4's, and the center wiring cover. The critical things that make it work are 1) the boards on each side of the bridge fit exactly across the one in the middle of the end piece, which eliminates any side movement and perfect track alignment everytime. 2) the two pins in the end of the bridge which causes it to align the other direction and keeps it tightly in place and the tracks together when the bridge is closed. 3) the 4 leveling bolts on each side which are necesary to compensate for uneven floors or other obstructions. There are also 4 bolts that hold the 2x4's and the ends together tightly once it is leveled (aligned) properly. It works perfectly everytime it is opened and closed. There is a skirt on the front too that matches the other modules. It is fairly light way and easily transportable. Young children enjoy seeing the fishermen under the bridges. Len

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50825	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Re: Mighty Moe

Mike, I remember the Mighty Moes well, Ate tons of them back in the 50' and 60's. Much better than anything you get today. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Barry Jamison ; Bill Trappen ; Bill Zide ; CHARLOTTE SHREWSBURY ; Cookie Flannery ; Don Brimmer ; Don Thompson ; Gerald R Dobbs ; Gordon Wilson ; Graeme ; Grant Bishop ; James Hannawald ; Jeanette ; Jeff Snell ; Jerry Matsick ; Joseph Haenn ; Joseph Lechner ; Ken Keki ; Michael Rapp ; Mike Strickland ; Paul O ; Ralph Loveless ; Rance and Bente ; S Trains > ; Scale S Only ; STEPHEN EASTMAN ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Steve S ; Tennsgauge@... ; Thomas Stoltz ; Tom Bianculli Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Mighty Moe Here is a picture of the famous Mighty Moe that was served at Washington DC Hot Shoppe's owned by the Marriott Corporation. Hot Shoppe's is how Marriott got started in 1927 in DC serving just Chili and Hot Tamales on CT. Ave. Hot Shoppe's are all gone now. I got all my secret ingredients to make the Mighty Moe Sauce tomorrow, to be served on burgers Sunday. LOL The Mighty Moe, for those who had these before, was named after a white tiger at the National Zoo, Mohemi, it says in my Marriott Cookbook. This looks like a Big Mac, but it was before the Big Mac and far better. Home made Onion Rings too, not the frozen stuff. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50826	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Mighty Moe

Here is a picture of the famous Mighty Moe that was served at Washington DC Hot Shoppe's owned by the Marriott Corporation. Hot Shoppe's is how Marriott got started in 1927 in DC serving just Chili and Hot Tamales on CT. Ave. Hot Shoppe's are all gone now. I got all my secret ingredients to make the Mighty Moe Sauce tomorrow, to be served on burgers Sunday. LOL The Mighty Moe, for those who had these before, was named after a white tiger at the National Zoo, Mohemi, it says in my Marriott Cookbook. This looks like a Big Mac, but it was before the Big Mac and far better. Home made Onion Rings too, not the frozen stuff. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50827	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: MSU Train Show

Greetings! The train show at the MSU Pavilion, in East Lansing Michigan, is scheduled for Sunday, Nov.9, from 10:00 to 4:00 pm. Charlie, in W MI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50828	From: Sam Blum	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: Track Wanted

if you need track you can get it from www.americanflyertrains.com for cheap --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > Bill, > > WHERE are you located?? Price of shipping is an issue. > > Jim Lyle > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol? redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50829	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Largest order for one item

Today, I received, probably the largest order for AF Smoke Fluid Funnels for a end user, meaning that I am not a parts dealer, etc. 100 of them in a bag and not one is bent! This is for my ballpark lights at S Helper Field, as I have my 100 grain of wheat light bulbs too. Now, I am waiting for my plastic tubes for light fixtures to come. They will be painted testor's steel color paint. I guess I will have to bend a few, as someone suggested I use a few bent ones for where Mark McGuire hit a few baseballs after the D&K RR team sign him up when he left the St. Louis Cardinals for unknown reasons. LOL I hear that Joe Jackson, not the singer, is playing for the D&K RR. Now what do I do with the other 36! LOL Maybe I can get 18 S Scale Madonna's to wear them as they enter the Branford Diner where they advertise booth for ladies. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50830	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: Mighty Moe

I am so sorry that this email got on the S Trains list! I was sending a email to several email friends and I must of hit S Trains by accident. I am so sorry that this happen, but the Mighty Moe was a great sandwich! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Barry Jamison ; Bill Trappen ; Bill Zide ; CHARLOTTE SHREWSBURY ; Cookie Flannery ; Don Brimmer ; Don Thompson ; Gerald R Dobbs ; Gordon Wilson ; Graeme ; Grant Bishop ; James Hannawald ; Jeanette ; Jeff Snell ; Jerry Matsick ; Joseph Haenn ; Joseph Lechner ; Ken Keki ; Michael Rapp ; Mike Strickland ; Paul O ; Ralph Loveless ; Rance and Bente ; S Trains > ; Scale S Only ; STEPHEN EASTMAN ; steve Conard ; Steve Hoschler ; Steve S ; Tennsgauge@... ; Thomas Stoltz ; Tom Bianculli Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Mighty Moe Here is a picture of the famous Mighty Moe that was served at Washington DC Hot Shoppe's owned by the Marriott Corporation. Hot Shoppe's is how Marriott got started in 1927 in DC serving just Chili and Hot Tamales on CT. Ave. Hot Shoppe's are all gone now. I got all my secret ingredients to make the Mighty Moe Sauce tomorrow, to be served on burgers Sunday. LOL The Mighty Moe, for those who had these before, was named after a white tiger at the National Zoo, Mohemi, it says in my Marriott Cookbook. This looks like a Big Mac, but it was before the Big Mac and far better. Home made Onion Rings too, not the frozen stuff. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50831	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: Track Wanted

I have curved track for $.50 ea. & st. for $1.50 ea, + shipping. Mike In a message dated 11/8/2008 4:16:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sootkid@... writes: if you need track you can get it from www.americanflyertrif you need t for cheap --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , WJJIM@... wrote: > > Bill, > > WHERE are you located?? Price of shipping is an issue. > > Jim Lyle > ************ ************<WBR>**AOL Search: Your one stop for direct all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?) redir=_http://searchblog.http://searchhttp://searchttp://sehttp_ (http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from) > -aol-search/ -aol-search -aol-s > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50832	From: bjamison330@earthlink.net	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: Mighty Moe

I'm glad I am not the only one who remembers the Hot Shoppe's. A lot of good stuff from yesteryear has gone by the board. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER To: Barry Jamison;Bill Trappen;Bill Zide;CHARLOTTE SHREWSBURY;Cookie Flannery;Don Brimmer;Don Thompson;Gerald R Dobbs;Gordon Wilson;Graeme;Grant Bishop;James Hannawald;Jeanette;Jeff Snell;Jerry Matsick;Joseph Haenn;Joseph Lechner;Ken Keki;Michael Rapp;Mike Strickland;Paul O;Ralph Loveless;Rance and Bente;S Trains;Scale S Only;STEPHEN EASTMAN;steve Conard;Steve Hoschler;Steve S;Tennsgauge@...;Thomas Stoltz;Tom Bianculli Sent: 11/7/2008 6:03:54 PM Subject: Mighty Moe Here is a picture of the famous Mighty Moe that was served at Washington DC Hot Shoppe's owned by the Marriott Corporation. Hot Shoppe's is how Marriott got started in 1927 in DC serving just Chili and Hot Tamales on CT. Ave. Hot Shoppe's are all gone now. I got all my secret ingredients to make the Mighty Moe Sauce tomorrow, to be served on burgers Sunday. LOL The Mighty Moe, for those who had these before, was named after a white tiger at the National Zoo, Mohemi, it says in my Marriott Cookbook. This looks like a Big Mac, but it was before the Big Mac and far better. Home made Onion Rings too, not the frozen stuff. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50833	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Modifying S-Helper 671 Accessory Track to a Mail Crane

The conversion of the S-Helper accessory track (#671) into an operating mail crane is fairly simple if you have a Gilbert one to use to take the dimensions from. The dimensions you need are to locate the hook of the crane in relation to the top of the near rail, and in relation to the start of the accessory "third rail." Glue a thin plastic shim under the accessory track to position the mail post on. Attach an original or reproduction mail post or fabricate one, and attach to the plastic shim. That shim preserves the operating dimensions. Have fun with this. Alan Udy, Idaho Falls, Idaho _____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oGdgFog6NxRxFkq7wGFmUcXKYt6OKf2WULoJpWljldzqxp5/?count=1234567890 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50834	From: piccu56	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: Are prices too high?

Well, first off I completely disagree that our standard of living has gone down. Myself and most people I know are doing just fine in spite of all of the gloom and doom you hear about in the papers. POLITICAL STATEMENT EDITED BY MODERATOR... Although basic economicas does play into it as far as supply and demand is concerned, I think when it comes to old vintage trains, its really comes down to what people are willing to pay. If buyers of any old toy trains continue to pay rediculous asking prices, then those prices will remain seen. I've never played by those rules. There will always be another opportunity to get that version of that number somehwere in the future. We all have limits and they will naturally fluxuate as other things in our lives take priority like redoing all of the bathrooms and kitchen in the house and buying all new stainless appliances and a new car for the boss.... I mean the wife. From what I've seem over my many many many years in buying old toy trains, asking prices have always been userous for the most part. But if a seller is willing to be fair and negotiate, or come to their senses, then they will make a sale and a happy buyer I will be. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > While I have the computer all cranked up and my wife doesn't want on it > to play all her damn games...Are the prices for S gauge trains, both > new and old, too high today? That depends on several factors..... > The new stuff seems overpriced, but on the other hand we all know price > per unit goes down as the numbers produced go up. Therefore it is > unfair to compare the price of an O gauge engine and an S gauge engine, > even though the O gauge one is larger and requires more materials to > make. There are simply going to be more O gauge engines of a type > produced! > Then you've got to consider that the new stuff is made a long way away, > so shipping is a factor that it didn't used to be in the days of > A.C.Gilbert. > And of course how much do the electronics, which give us all the neat > sound and control options many of us want, add to the price of our > trains? > So maybe the new items are priced right. But by the same measure, I'm > afraid the same can't be said of "collectable" Flyer. They have no > electronics, aren't shipped a long distance, and were made in much > higher numbers than the S stuff made today. They are already used, > and face deterioration of many parts due to age. While exceptionally > nice examples are probably worth close to what is asked, most of the > stuff remaining on the market is way higher than it is worth. However, > it appears that prices are coming down as the dealers seem to have > found the upper limit of the price ranges, especially for the more > common items. > Now here's a factor you don't hear much about that effects prices: No > matter what kind of statistics are being used to try to prove > otherwise, our standard of living isn't what it was just a few years > ago. (They say we ought to be happy that we don't pay for gas what we > do for milk. Well, I don't tend to drink twenty gallons of milk at one > time!) As our standard of living goes lower, prices effectively > go "higher" because we can't afford as much spending on hobbies. My > guess is that damn few of us are buying as many trains this year as we > bought last year. Therefore the lower standard of living made the > prices on everything higher, and there's little any manufacturer or > dealer can do about that! > Comments? Questions? Suggsetions? > Stumpy Stone...climbing down off my soap box...but as the Govenator > says "I'll be back!" >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50835	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: The Ceiling Level Route

Just in time for cedar-scented smoke. the ceiling level route is running. Not finished by any means but running. Some photos the group in the Ceiling Level Route album or at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S- Trains/photos/album/1069840229/pic/list (You may need to paste that URL together) I returned to AF almost two years ago with an Atlantic freight set. Since then I have added a 312, 322SIT, 356, 360/361 and a dozen or so passenger cars. But the only place to run my trains was on a small oval in the corner of the rec room. That oval seldom left the floor. The problem is that every square foot of the house is being used for something and the garage gets cold and damp. Some day when both kids are out of the house I will lay claim to their music room and build a hi-rail adaptation of an AF showroom layout. But for now I was able to get rights to the 12" below the ceiling in the rec room... "as long as it looks finished and doesn't feel closed in." I jumped on that opportunity. So plans began for a perimeter double loop around a 16 by 22 foot room. It needed to have a passing siding on each loop so multiple trains could be stored and run. It needed to overcome several obstacles, like a 7' fireplace mantle and a 7' window on the opposite side of the room. And it needed to pass above a doorway with no ducking and pass through a semi-walled bar. The house was built in 1949 and the rec room appears to be original so the old AF feels right at home here. My first thought was to make a quick and easy suspended ceiling layout as advertised in CTT. But that would not allow for any accessories or proper wiring for signals. I finally decided on a modular system to be bolted together. The 8 modules would be 1 1/2" thick to allow for plenty of wire and sound deadening material. The wood framing was to be finished in a way that left the room looking finished. The 8 modules were built finished, track laid and wired in the garage (driveway when possible as the leaf blower makes cleanup a breeze). A molding was mounted around the perimeter of the room and the corner modules rest on it. The straight modules just bolted up to t-nuts in the corner modules. Wiring (over 1000 feet, seriously) passes through slots in the ends using 8, 20 and 24 pin connectors. I prewired signal and lighting circuits with 18ga. All track circuits are 16ga. Down the line I have plans for a block control system, but for this year I just ganged the outer and inner loops with the switches (turnouts) set to 2-train operation to control the passing sidings. So far, so good... no derails up there. But there is much yet to do. For now, I'll just enjoy the smoke and choo choo decide which small project to take on next... rework the smoke unit in the 322SIT... or LED lighting in the streamliner cars... or find more passenger cars to clean up and run? Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50836	From: Scale S Only	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: The Ceiling Level Route

Hi Tim -- Love that mantle bridge! Glad you got it done. It all looks great --- very professional and it looks like it is another great way to enjoy our trains. Have fun! Bill Winans Just in time for cedar-scented smoke. the ceiling level route is running. Not finished by any means but running. Some photos the group in the Ceiling Level Route album or at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S- Trains/photos/album/1069840229/pic/list (You may need to paste that URL together) Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50837	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/9/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 9, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50838	From: Grant	Date: 11/8/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?

I've added some photos of the track in a folder called 'S helper track mods' in the file section Hope it helps out --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Grant" <gwbishop@...> wrote: > > I could not find one so I made one. > Pretty easy to make and works fine using the flyer one > Cut about 2 1/8 inches of the brown ties from a straight track (in the > middle) and slip it underneath the copper. I used some hot glue > underneath to keep it place. > Grant > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@> > wrote: > > > > Does anybody make an S-Helper accessory track with stanchion for the > Gilbert Operating Mail Car? Or have any of you kitbashed one? Our > club is using S-Helper flex track on its modules and I want to be able > to use my mail car on it somehow. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50839	From: innotron	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: laser cut barns

Hi all, I posted several pictures of 3 s scale farm structures that I built from a #CLD-S-002 kit offered by Creative Laser Design. The kit consists of a milk house, tool shed and dairy barn. They offer other S scale kits as well. Tool shed floor, sliding door, Interior details, framing and lighting were added. The photos are in Alex's layout. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2116161882/pic/list [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50840	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: The Ceiling Level Route

Excellent work! The bridge is very nice and a great idea for the mantel. You've created a great way to make use of otherwise wasted space and play trains too. I've been wanting to cut holes in the walls here to run trains for longer distances for a long time, but I'm having trouble getting Cindy to go along with it! Maybe this would be a solution to my layout space problem. Well done! Stumpy Stone...mini layout builder...not completely by choice.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50841	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: What happened?

While perusing the PHOTOs section to check out The Ceiling Level Route, I ran across the photo album of my Pennsy 310 rebuild, which is now empty. I had been tipped off that something had happened to the pictures of that project about the time the "yeah-hoos" at Yahoo changed everything, but had forgotten to look. I have no idea what happened to the pictures, as I didn't remove them! Unfortunately, during a computer "clean out" we did a while back, we lost a bunch of photos, and I'm afraid these were among them! (I should have at least printed them out somewhere, or put them on a CD, but I trusted my computer...silly me!) Sorry folks, the before pictures of this previously rusty and parts missing engine are gone and I have no idea how. I don't know how to remove the album, so can the moderators please do so? Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...oops:Deleted Imagineer...in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50842	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: S-Fest at Milwaukee

Anyone going to S-Fest in Milwaukee this coming week-end?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50843	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: What happened?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > I ran across the photo album of my Pennsy 310 rebuild, which is now > empty.... > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...oops:Deleted Imagineer...in Ahia > There are some pictures of your 310 rebuild in the photo album titled "Stumpy's Stuff" that were posted on 3 Oct 08. Are these the pictures you are looking for?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50844	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/9/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 9, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50845	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: Track Wanted

How much track do you need --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Sam Blum <sootkid@...> wrote: From: Sam Blum <sootkid@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Track Wanted To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 9:57 PM if you need track you can get it from www.americanflyertr ains.com for cheap --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > Bill, > > WHERE are you located?? Price of shipping is an issue. > > Jim Lyle > ************ **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121279 2382x1200798498/ aol? redir=http://searchblog. aol.com/2008/ 11/04/happy- holidays- from > -aol-search/ ?ncid=emlcntusse ar00000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50846	From: John	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?

Grant It doesn't help if we don't know where that folder is. Could you please provide us with a link? Thank you John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant" <gwbishop@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car? > I've added some photos of the track in a folder called 'S helper track > mods' in the file section > Hope it helps out >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50847	From: roy inman	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: laser cut barns

Do they have a web site/ Roy Inman From: innotron <innotron@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:51:49 -0800 To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] laser cut barns Hi all, I posted several pictures of 3 s scale farm structures that I built from a #CLD-S-002 kit offered by Creative Laser Design. The kit consists of a milk house, tool shed and dairy barn. They offer other S scale kits as well. Tool shed floor, sliding door, Interior details, framing and lighting were added. The photos are in Alex's layout. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2116161882/pic/list [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50848	From: John	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Lift out Bridges

Hello All While at the train show in Michigan this Sunday, I overheard a guy talking about how he solved the duck-under bridge problem. What he did was mount a 1/4" male phono plug under each end of the bridge and connect each rail to each of the phono plugs connections. Then on the layout, mount the mating female plugs to align with the male plugs and connect their wires to the layout track. Make sure the polarity is wired correctly as to avoid shorts!! Now you will be able to "unplug" your bridge and move through to the inside of your layout and then just "plug" it back in ready to go. No hinges or extra wires to mess with and the 1/4" plugs will hold the bridge in place!! If you wanted to get real clever, you could mount a micro switch on the layout at each end of the bridge and put an insulator in one of the track connections several tracks back from the bridge on each side. Then connect the micro switch across the insulator using the normally open contacts.That way if the bridge is unplugged the micro switches would be open and stop your trains from crashing to the floor. Or replace the micro switches with a second set of 1/4" phono plugs and just short the male end of the second set of phono plugs together. Run the female end connections back to each side of the insulated track so that when you unplug the bridge everything is safe and no trains will crash to the floor. Any questions? I can make a drawing if needed. John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50849	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: The Ceiling Level Route

Tim, I checked out your photo album. Everything looks great. Might want to try your hand at advertising for a couple of restaurant jobs. We have a Sagebrush which has a similar setup. Yours puts that one to shame. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50850	From: lember2004	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Gilbert 710 Steam Whistle & a Diesel Locomotive Horn: what happens?

Hi, What happens when you use a Gilbert 710 Steam Whistle Control [the one with the slider for more realistic sounds] with a diesel locomotive unit with a horn? Do you get a varying diesel sound or don't the two work together? Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50851	From: innotron	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: laser cut barns

Hi Roy, Their web site is www.creativelaserdesign.com. I have no affiliation with them however they were willing to scale their barns to S for me. Their welding shop is nice and is also available in S. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: roy inman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] laser cut barns Do they have a web site/ Roy Inman From: innotron <innotron@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:51:49 -0800 To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] laser cut barns Hi all, I posted several pictures of 3 s scale farm structures that I built from a #CLD-S-002 kit offered by Creative Laser Design. The kit consists of a milk house, tool shed and dairy barn. They offer other S scale kits as well. Tool shed floor, sliding door, Interior details, framing and lighting were added. The photos are in Alex's layout. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2116161882/pic/list [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/08 2:14 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50852	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: The Ceiling Level Route

Thanks to all for the kind words! This afternoon I was able to fix a sticky reverse unit with a fire in the fireplace, football on the TV and trains running. Almost perfection! The only dilemma was the choo choo sound drowning out the football game. Don't get me wrong... I LOVE the smoke and choo choo. But I'm in the market for a rough 312 SIT to restore. That will go with the 322 SIT for 'quiet' train time. Regards, Tim Benner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50853	From: William Porter	Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: Lift out Bridges

Hi John, I did that years ago for a bridge across the doorway into a room with an around-the-walls layout. It works well. I used 4 plugs. Two were at each end. That provided some mechanical stability. Normally, I used a screwdriver to pry up on the mounting boards to get it started when I removed it. It was simple and effective as you described. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:38 PM To: S-group Subject: [S-Trains] Lift out Bridges Hello All While at the train show in Michigan this Sunday, I overheard a guy talking about how he solved the duck-under bridge problem. What he did was mount a 1/4" male phono plug under each end of the bridge and connect each rail to each of the phono plugs connections. Then on the layout, mount the mating female plugs to align with the male plugs and connect their wires to the layout track. Make sure the polarity is wired correctly as to avoid shorts!! Now you will be able to "unplug" your bridge and move through to the inside of your layout and then just "plug" it back in ready to go. No hinges or extra wires to mess with and the 1/4" plugs will hold the bridge in place!! If you wanted to get real clever, you could mount a micro switch on the layout at each end of the bridge and put an insulator in one of the track connections several tracks back from the bridge on each side. Then connect the micro switch across the insulator using the normally open contacts.That way if the bridge is unplugged the micro switches would be open and stop your trains from crashing to the floor. Or replace the micro switches with a second set of 1/4" phono plugs and just short the male end of the second set of phono plugs together. Run the female end connections back to each side of the insulated track so that when you unplug the bridge everything is safe and no trains will crash to the floor. Any questions? I can make a drawing if needed. John Frankforther __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50854	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert 710 Steam Whistle & a Diesel Locomotive Horn: what happe

I Did... Clayton S. D. Portland Or. --- On Sun, 11/9/08, lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: > From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert 710 Steam Whistle & a Diesel Locomotive Horn: what happens? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 5:31 PM > Hi, What happens when you use a Gilbert 710 Steam Whistle > Control [the > one with the slider for more realistic sounds] with a > diesel > locomotive unit with a horn? > Do you get a varying diesel sound or don't the two work > together? > Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50855	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Off Topic: Tangled in a web

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not too sharp when it comes to computer stuff! The missing "Pennsy 310 Rebuild" PHOTOS have reappeared in my album STUMPY'S STUFF. (J Fred Roberts put me onto that! Thanks Fred.) I haven't a clue as to how they moved from one place to another all by themselves. Several people on this group and others I'm on have suggested that I create my own website since I'm into S and On30 trains, and vintage and modern auto racing, and I write unpublished novels and stories that could be posted. Yeah, sounds cool. The problem is that I have only a very rudimentary idea of how to do that. Hooking up with GoDaddy or one of those outfits seems simple enough, but how do I "build" a website to start with? Being an old time type, with little computer knowledge, I work much better from a book than anything else. So I'm going to have to start looking for "Websites for Dummies" or something like that. Does anyone have suggestion for a book that might be slow witted enough for me to understand, but still explain how to do a website? Now that winter is coming on, I'll hopefully have the time to do this web entanglement! Stumpy Stone...basic understanding of 'lectricity...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50856	From: Andrew	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Factory built oil Refinery ? 130265689035

Hey , I purchesed this just for my layout on ebay . But the guy who sold it is right , it does look factory built , not homemade . Can anybody identify it ? Most all of it is wood except for the piping . It's missing some stuff and I can't find any writing on it anywhere ? Andy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50857	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Off Topic: Tangled in a web

Stumpy Stone wrote: > > Several people on this group and others I'm on have suggested that I > create my own website since I'm into S and On30 trains, and vintage and > modern auto racing, and I write unpublished novels and stories that > could be posted. Yeah, sounds cool. > The problem is that I have only a very rudimentary idea of how to do > that. Hooking up with GoDaddy or one of those outfits seems simple > enough, but how do I "build" a website to start with? Actually there are many ways to do it. HTML is not that difficult to learn and even MS Word will save documents in that format. Just write up something cool and then FTP it to a web site. I believe GoDaddy has a fairly reasonable website offer that would probably suffice for a couple of years. Or you could take the route I did and build your own server but that's probably way out of your skill level! ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50858	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Plans for New Haven EP-3 and EP-4 electric locomotives

Good morning: I am seeking plans for a pair of New Haven electric locomotives. The EP-3 is the sire of the GG1 with the same 2-C+C-2 wheel arrangement. It has a boxcab top with big porches on top of the lead trucks. The EP-4 uses the same wheel arrangement. It is bidirectional and has two GE streamlined cabs. (Much like and EMD E-7 through E9 or any F Unit.) What makes these better than GG1 is the placement of the pantograph. On the GG1 it is on the end of the shell. With tight curves the pantograph swings out so far it goes beyond the catenary. New Haven electrics always place the pantographs over the 'primary pivot' trucks. The result is pantograph is always centered over the rails and thus centered under my catenary. I am seeking plans or even a line drawing showing basic dimintions. Thank you for your help, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50859	From: William Porter	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Off Topic: Tangled in a web

Hi Stumpy, It is simpler than a reversing section, but, there are details. First, you need content. I recommend you consider a book like "HTML 4 for Dummies" to see how to create the site pages. It is excellent. Live by those rules and your pages will stay small, fast and delightful to load and behold. I would avoid all the fancy stuff like Front Page because they build a ton of glorp (or is that gunk?) into the pages they create. You can see what I have done using straight text and the words from that book on my personal site: http:wpporter.duckburg.us as an example. Most of the content of that site is train stuff, so, that is our subject matter link. The second part is that you need a place to host your pages. That means a monthly fee paid to someone. Some internet service providers (like Bell South and AT&T) offer hosting space as a part of the deal - no extra charge. There are other services. You mention GoDaddy. They seem to have reasonable prices. My family has several sites, so, we have our own domain on Lunar Pages (www.lunarpages.com <http://www.lunarpages.com/> ) for hosting and for email. It is very reasonable and has worked well for us for several years. You may also choose to have your own domain name. There is an annual fee for that, but it is not much and the hosting businesses can assist. I can discuss it with you further offline if you wish or if anyone else wishes. Send your notes to wpporter@... Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Off Topic: Tangled in a web I'll be the first to admit that I'm not too sharp when it comes to computer stuff! The missing "Pennsy 310 Rebuild" PHOTOS have reappeared in my album STUMPY'S STUFF. (J Fred Roberts put me onto that! Thanks Fred.) I haven't a clue as to how they moved from one place to another all by themselves. Several people on this group and others I'm on have suggested that I create my own website since I'm into S and On30 trains, and vintage and modern auto racing, and I write unpublished novels and stories that could be posted. Yeah, sounds cool. The problem is that I have only a very rudimentary idea of how to do that. Hooking up with GoDaddy or one of those outfits seems simple enough, but how do I "build" a website to start with? Being an old time type, with little computer knowledge, I work much better from a book than anything else. So I'm going to have to start looking for "Websites for Dummies" or something like that. Does anyone have suggestion for a book that might be slow witted enough for me to understand, but still explain how to do a website? Now that winter is coming on, I'll hopefully have the time to do this web entanglement! Stumpy Stone...basic understanding of 'lectricity...in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50860	From: william cole	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Plans for New Haven EP-3 and EP-4 electric locomotives

http://www.nhrhta.org/htdocs/power.htm Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Marty.Thorin <thorin.marty@...> wrote: From: Marty.Thorin <thorin.marty@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Plans for New Haven EP-3 and EP-4 electric locomotives To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Richard Karnes ()@... Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 10:04 AM Good morning: I am seeking plans for a pair of New Haven electric locomotives. The EP-3 is the sire of the GG1 with the same 2-C+C-2 wheel arrangement. It has a boxcab top with big porches on top of the lead trucks. The EP-4 uses the same wheel arrangement. It is bidirectional and has two GE streamlined cabs. (Much like and EMD E-7 through E9 or any F Unit.) What makes these better than GG1 is the placement of the pantograph. On the GG1 it is on the end of the shell. With tight curves the pantograph swings out so far it goes beyond the catenary. New Haven electrics always place the pantographs over the 'primary pivot' trucks. The result is pantograph is always centered over the rails and thus centered under my catenary. I am seeking plans or even a line drawing showing basic dimintions. Thank you for your help, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50861	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: SIT volume

Does anyone know of a video of a well-tuned SIT loco on the web? A bellows vs piston conversion would be fantastic. I am starting work on a 322SIT and would like to see how it is supposed to smoke and sound. As it is now the bellows makes almost no sound and it trails a wisp of smoke at half throttle. It produces more at full throttle of course but at that speed it is more of a projectile than a locomotive. Advice and results from anyone who has redone one of these would be most appreciated. Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50862	From: Glenn	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Off Topic: Tangled in a web

Hi Stumpy and others. I build my websites on: http://www.homestead.com/ They will walk you through the process for about $100 per year. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 08:45 Subject: [S-Trains] Off Topic: Tangled in a web I'll be the first to admit that I'm not too sharp when it comes to computer stuff! The missing "Pennsy 310 Rebuild" PHOTOS have reappeared in my album STUMPY'S STUFF. (J Fred Roberts put me onto that! Thanks Fred.) I haven't a clue as to how they moved from one place to another all by themselves. Several people on this group and others I'm on have suggested that I create my own website since I'm into S and On30 trains, and vintage and modern auto racing, and I write unpublished novels and stories that could be posted. Yeah, sounds cool. The problem is that I have only a very rudimentary idea of how to do that. Hooking up with GoDaddy or one of those outfits seems simple enough, but how do I "build" a website to start with? Being an old time type, with little computer knowledge, I work much better from a book than anything else. So I'm going to have to start looking for "Websites for Dummies" or something like that. Does anyone have suggestion for a book that might be slow witted enough for me to understand, but still explain how to do a website? Now that winter is coming on, I'll hopefully have the time to do this web entanglement! Stumpy Stone...basic understanding of 'lectricity...in Appalachia. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 7:53 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50863	From: John Shannon	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections

John, How do you create a bare section of the buss wire, i.e. how do you remove the insulation at one spot on a continuous buss wire to attach the feeder wire? Also, a question that I have been wanting to ask forever, what does IMHO mean?????? Thanks, John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > John > > IMHO > Wrap 1 or 2 turns of the 22 gauge wire around the individual bare section of > each 14 gauge wire > and solder each connection. That way you would have a good mechanical > connection from each rail > to each of your buss wires. > > John Frankforther > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Shannon" <jshannon148@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:30 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Feeder to Buss connections > > > >I have searched the archives and I have not found a post on the > > preferred method of connecting the track feeder wires (22 gage) to the > > undertable buss wiring (14 gage). Is it best to cut the buss, twist > > together and solder, or use those blue plastic clip things or ??? > > > > Also, is it necessary to twist stranded buss wiring to prevent > > magnetic currents, if so, how many twists per foot?? > > > > Thanks, John > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50864	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee

Yes. I am planning it. do not know about a stay over so just one day. 80 some dollars is to steep for me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50865	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: San Francisco area train meets

Hi, Last night on chat, there was some discussion on future NorCal train meets. This is what I have knowledge of at this time. Pleasanton. Nov 22nd & 23rd 2008 at the Alameda County Fairgrounds. Mixed scales O-S Scale West. Jan 29th through the 31st, 2009 at the Hotel Regency in Santa Clara. This is a scale meet only. Many Golden Gate American Flyer members will be in attendance as well as the local BASS scale group with there layout. Usually 20 tables of S only. 5 or 6 layouts setup in the hotel with generally 25+ layouts that will be open for viewing. Scale model contest, mixed scales. Cal Stewart Spring. March 20th through 22nd, 2009 at the Santa Clara Convention Center, NorCal TCA sponsored meet. Golden Gate Lionel Club. January 2009 in Hayward in the old city hall complex. Mixed scales Flyer Fest West. May 2009, Sacramento Club, Don Rosa Tis my Season, Santa Ed Eckert ejenterp@... 408-263-2482

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50866	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections

Buss wire does not have insulation. The real stuff is tinned to take solder easily but bear copper wire can be used. In My Humble Opinion. Regards Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Shannon Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:47 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Feeder to Buss connections John, How do you create a bare section of the buss wire, i.e. how do you remove the insulation at one spot on a continuous buss wire to attach the feeder wire? Also, a question that I have been wanting to ask forever, what does IMHO mean?????? Thanks, John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > John > > IMHO > Wrap 1 or 2 turns of the 22 gauge wire around the individual bare section of > each 14 gauge wire > and solder each connection. That way you would have a good mechanical > connection from each rail > to each of your buss wires. > > John Frankforther > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Shannon" <jshannon148@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:30 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Feeder to Buss connections > > > >I have searched the archives and I have not found a post on the > > preferred method of connecting the track feeder wires (22 gage) to the > > undertable buss wiring (14 gage). Is it best to cut the buss, twist > > together and solder, or use those blue plastic clip things or ??? > > > > Also, is it necessary to twist stranded buss wiring to prevent > > magnetic currents, if so, how many twists per foot?? > > > > Thanks, John > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale. <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo> org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50867	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Largest order for one item-smoke funnels

What is a smoke funnel? I never used one. I never heard of them until about a few weeks ago. _____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nMUoTJQirhpDsvU975I4dn6CLBWXZTyM7bdjR4RZk7ZtAGv/?count=1234567890

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50868	From: innotron	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Tooltime

Hi all, It was inevitable, once I installed tools, Tim and Al moved in. They are on a month by month lease until I can get my hay wagon constructed or until they blow it up.. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2116161882/pic/1063640000/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc or photos under Alex's layout. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50869	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: window inserts

A couple of weeks ago, I asked about window inserts for plasticville buildings that I am putting lights in, so you could not see inside the building, but light could be seen. I got allot of great responses from both list, thank you. I order a liquid from a dollhouse supplier that was suppose to make "windows". It worked fine, till it dried and most of the work popped. Don Conard email me in private, saying to try plastic milk bottles. That worked perfect! Thanks to all again. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50870	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Largest order for one item-smoke funnels

Nor did many, many original owners of Flyer smoke type trains judging by the gunk inside the chimney around the outside of the smoke tube in many Flyer locos I have owned! It was a small funnel, the smaller end of which fitted inside the brass smoke tube so that you could put smoke fluid cleanly in to the loco. Alistair -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n9guy@... Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:54 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Largest order for one item-smoke funnels What is a smoke funnel? I never used one. I never heard of them until about a few weeks ago. _____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nMUoTJQirhpDsvU975I4dn6CL BWXZTyM7bdjR4RZk7ZtAGv/?count=1234567890 ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50871	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Tim, I have just converted 2 SIT's to cylinders for a member of our train group. I also just rebuilt a 322 with a new smoke element, with original bellows. If you you do not get a response, about an existing video, I will make one, of these, and get them to you. You will get more of a choo-choo sound from the cylinders. It is not as loud as the origibal SIB cylinders, but some of that difference is the noise from the motor and gears in the tender. They seem to drown out the choo-choo somewhat. I have managed to get adequate smoke from all the units I have worked on. Let me know if you don't get any other responses. Thanks, Larry Moore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: tim.benner@...: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:01:23 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] SIT volume Does anyone know of a video of a well-tuned SIT loco on the web? A bellows vs piston conversion would be fantastic. I am starting work on a 322SIT and would like to see how it is supposed to smoke and sound. As it is now the bellows makes almost no sound and it trails a wisp of smoke at half throttle. It produces more at full throttle of course but at that speed it is more of a projectile than a locomotive. Advice and results from anyone who has redone one of these would be most appreciated.Regards,Tim BennerDayton, OH _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50872	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections

That should have read "bare" copper wire. "Bear" copper wire is ok -providing the bear does not have her cubs nearby when you go to take it off her. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alistair McAllister Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:06 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Feeder to Buss connections Buss wire does not have insulation. The real stuff is tinned to take solder easily but bear copper wire can be used. In My Humble Opinion. Regards Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of John Shannon Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:47 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Feeder to Buss connections John, How do you create a bare section of the buss wire, i.e. how do you remove the insulation at one spot on a continuous buss wire to attach the feeder wire? Also, a question that I have been wanting to ask forever, what does IMHO mean?????? Thanks, John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > John > > IMHO > Wrap 1 or 2 turns of the 22 gauge wire around the individual bare section of > each 14 gauge wire > and solder each connection. That way you would have a good mechanical > connection from each rail > to each of your buss wires. > > John Frankforther > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Shannon" <jshannon148@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:30 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Feeder to Buss connections > > > >I have searched the archives and I have not found a post on the > > preferred method of connecting the track feeder wires (22 gage) to the > > undertable buss wiring (14 gage). Is it best to cut the buss, twist > > together and solder, or use those blue plastic clip things or ??? > > > > Also, is it necessary to twist stranded buss wiring to prevent > > magnetic currents, if so, how many twists per foot?? > > > > Thanks, John > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale. <http://S-Scale. <http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo> org/albumsYahoo> org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50873	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Largest order for one item-smoke funnels

and he notes - You don't know what you've been missing! Raleigh in cool Maine At 02:23 PM 11/10/2008, n9guy@... wrote: >What is a smoke funnel? > >I never used one. >I never heard of them until about a few weeks ago. >_____________________________________________________________ >Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nMUoTJQirhpDsvU975I4dn6CLBWXZTyM7bdjR4RZk7ZtAGv/?count=1234567890 > > > >------------------------------------ > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50874	From: Harold henion Jr.	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Harold (Butch) Henion

Butch is home from his surgery.  All went ok.  They cleaned up the scar tissue and fixed some "fray's" and arthritis, then they filed down the collar bone some. He is doing good.  Feel free to email him at this address.  Thank you for all your thoughts and prayers. Margot (and Butch) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50875	From: Grant	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?

Sorry http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/S%20helper%20track%20mods/ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > Grant > > It doesn't help if we don't know where that folder is. Could you > please provide us with a link? Thank you > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grant" <gwbishop@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:45 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail > Car? > > > > I've added some photos of the track in a folder called 'S helper track > > mods' in the file section > > Hope it helps out > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50876	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Larry, Thanks! That's great info. I was planning an order to Port Lines so I may have to add the SIT cylinder to it. I don't want to barrage you with questions, but did you use the 'regular' smoke wick and element? I have seen different ones for the Franklin but not for the SIT units. I surfaced the commutator and rebrushed the SIT motor last year so it is running nice and quiet (relative to other AF motors) IMaybe the new element and piston unit will bring it up to par with the SIB smokers...only quieter. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50877	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Harold (Butch) Henion

Butch, Glad to hear everthing went well. Wishing you a speedy recovery. Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: hchenion@...: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:32:05 -0800Subject: [S-Trains] Harold (Butch) Henion Butch is home from his surgery. All went ok. They cleaned up the scar tissue and fixed some "fray's" and arthritis, then they filed down the collar bone some.He is doing good. Feel free to email him at this address. Thank you for all your thoughts and prayers.Margot (and Butch)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50878	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume

And if that doesn't do it for you, we have a conversion to AC/DC can motor for the SIT units. Motor is much quieter and the choo-choo is more prominent and it smokes better since the can draws a lot less current than the open frame motor... Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 11/10/2008 4:06:05 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mo2337@... writes: Tim, I have just converted 2 SIT's to cylinders for a member of our train group. I also just rebuilt a 322 with a new smoke element, with original bellows. If you you do not get a response, about an existing video, I will make one, of these, and get them to you. You will get more of a choo-choo sound from the cylinders. It is not as loud as the origibal SIB cylinders, but some of that difference is the noise from the motor and gears in the tender. They seem to drown out the choo-choo somewhat. I have managed to get adequate smoke from all the units I have worked on. Let me know if you don't get any other responses. Thanks, Larry Moore To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Trains@_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom) : _tim.benner@..._ (mailto:tim.benner@...) : Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:01:23 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] SIT volume Does anyone know of a video of a well-tuned SIT loco on the web? A bellows vs piston conversion would be fantastic. I am starting work on a 322SIT and would like to see how it is supposed to smoke and sound. As it is now the bellows makes almost no sound and it trails a wisp of smoke at half throttle. It produces more at full throttle of course but at that speed it is more of a projectile than a locomotive. Advice and results from anyone who has redone one of these would be most appreciated.Does anyone know of a video o __________________________________________________________ See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life _http://clk.atdmt.http://clk.http://clkhttp://clk_ (http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50879	From: John	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Web Page

Terry Before you spend the money on a web site, check to see if your internet provider gives you the option to have your own website through them. Buckeye-express provides me with 10 megabytes of storage space free for me to use as I want as long as I don't use it for a business. I had put together a website back when I was taking HTML classes and had lots of stuff up there including some pictures. I am including a link to HP's web site where they have free classes in web design along with many other free classes. Just sign up and take the classes you want. http://h30187.www3.hp.com/?tab=allClasses&hplcpsession.id=01bd2a5b3f1ba81f095db4f2ee96 John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50880	From: John	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections

John If you are using coated wire for your buss wires then you can carefully use an EXATO knife to cut a section of insulation away to attach your feeder wires. For example, if you use #14 romex and strip away all of the outer covering then you will be left with 2 single coated wires, one Black and the other White, and bare or Green ground wire. You can also buy individual #14 wire of different colors if you are going to have different busses for different things. If you user the 2 coated wires and mount them under your layout with some kind of standoffs then you won't have to worry about the buss wires shorting out if someone happens to get under your layout and accidently bump the wires together. This also helps in keeping your wiring neat. Just take your knife and cut out about 1/4" of insulation, being careful not to knick the wire where you want to connect your feeders.. Just cut all the way around the wire on each end of the 1/4" section then make a horizontal cut in between the 2 cuts and peal off the insulation. Just make sure you put some supports at the point where the feeders are connected to prevent possible shorts there OR stagger your feeder connections by an inch or so so there is no chance of shorts. John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50881	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume

That's a coincidence! I was just looking at your website. I'll probably want to do the can conversion after the holidays. But I do have a question regaring the slow can motor for steamers... will it work in a SIT engine with the reverse unit in the boiler? Thanks and regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:14 PM, <boss31@...> wrote: > And if that doesn't do it for you, we have a conversion to AC/DC can > motor > for the SIT units. > Motor is much quieter and the choo-choo is more prominent and it smokes > better since the > can draws a lot less current than the open frame motor... > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > > In a message dated 11/10/2008 4:06:05 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > mo2337@... <mo2337%40msn.com> writes: > > Tim, I have just converted 2 SIT's to cylinders for a member of our train > group. I also just rebuilt a 322 with a new smoke element, with original > bellows. If you you do not get a response, about an existing video, I will > make > one, of these, and get them to you. You will get more of a choo-choo sound > from > the cylinders. It is not as loud as the origibal SIB cylinders, but some of > > that difference is the noise from the motor and gears in the tender. They > seem > to drown out the choo-choo somewhat. I have managed to get adequate smoke > from all the units I have worked on. Let me know if you don't get any other > > responses. Thanks, Larry Moore > > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Trains@_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom<S-Trains%40yahoogroups.comFrom>) > : > _tim.benner@... <_tim.benner%40gmail.tim.ben>_ (mailto: > tim.benner@... <tim.benner%40gmail.comDate>) : Mon, 10 Nov > 2008 18:01:23 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] SIT volume > > Does anyone know of a video of a well-tuned SIT loco on the web? A bellows > vs piston conversion would be fantastic. I am starting work on a 322SIT and > > would like to see how it is supposed to smoke and sound. As it is now the > bellows makes almost no sound and it trails a wisp of smoke at half > throttle. It > produces more at full throttle of course but at that speed it is more of a > projectile than a locomotive. Advice and results from anyone who has redone > one > of these would be most appreciated.Does anyone know of a video o > > __________________________________________________________ > See how Windows(R) connects the people, information, and fun that are part of > > your life > _http://clk.atdmt.http://clk.http://clkhttp://clk_ > (http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50882	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee

There are 7 to 8 of the members from KC S Gaugers going. Cliff Manning, Topeka, KS ---- acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: > Anyone going to S-Fest in Milwaukee this coming week-end? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50883	From: Scale S Only	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections

Hi -- While this might not have been directed at me, I find that the easiest way to get a bare (no insulation) spot on a wire is to buy a wire stripper. You can place the jaws on the wire with the teeth for the correct gauge and squeeze -- voila! -- a bare spot. The tool generally costs about $20 and is worth every penny. IMHO is "in my humble opinion", which some times isn't so humble. ;-) Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ How do you create a bare section of the buss wire, i.e. how do you remove the insulation at one spot on a continuous buss wire to attach the feeder wire? Also, a question that I have been wanting to ask forever, what does IMHO mean?????? Thanks, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50884	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Tooltime

Fantastic!  Looks great.  Alex, you are a true craftsman.   Bob --- On Mon, 11/10/08, innotron <innotron@...> wrote: From: innotron <innotron@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tooltime To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 2:25 PM Hi all, It was inevitable, once I installed tools, Tim and Al moved in. They are on a month by month lease until I can get my hay wagon constructed or until they blow it up.. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 2116161882/ pic/1063640000/ view?picmode= &mode=tn& order=ordinal& start=1&count= 20&dir=asc or photos under Alex's layout. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50885	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: SIT Volume

A completely restored SIT unit will chuff and puff large amounts of smoke. It is amazing what a new bellows & wick changes in performance! You also have to be careful that the rubber tube isn't pinched going by the motor field. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50886	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Yes, it will work there...... Steve In a message dated 11/10/2008 9:44:41 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, tim.benner@... writes: That's a coincidence! I was just looking at your website. I'll probably want to do the can conversion after the holidays. But I do have a question regaring the slow can motor for steamers... will it work in a SIT engine with the reverse unit in the boiler? Thanks and regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:14 PM, <_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) > wrote: > And if that doesn't do it for you, we have a conversion to AC/DC can > motor > for the SIT units. > Motor is much quieter and the choo-choo is more prominent and it smokes > better since the > can draws a lot less current than the open frame motor... > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50887	From: lember2004	Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee

I'll be there. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote: > > Anyone going to S-Fest in Milwaukee this coming week-end? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50888	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Feeder to Buss connections

Use SCOTCHLOK™ IDC FEMALE T-TAP DISCONNECTS from Mouser Electronics 517-951K Red 22-18AWG, 517-952K Blue 18-14AWG. These are far better than your run of the mill suitcase connectors which are not recommended. They install easily and work reliably, and since they mate with standard .250" x .032" male blade connectors (solderless insulated or uninsulated) you can easily disconnect track leads from your bus at any time in case later you want to reconfigure your tracks but leave your bus intact. I have found you don't need any special pliers, just a good pair of expanding lineman pliers or ChanneLoks and close the connector shut squarely. Or you can bare small slightly off set segments of your bus wires with an X-actro, flux, tin, tin the ends for your leads, solder leads to bared bus segments, clean with 91% or higher isopropanol, and apply StarBrite liquid electrical tape. I've done it both ways and they work. Or don't use a bus at all, but instead a star-topology for your layout wiring. Run power to a "central" point with your bus bars there and then run paired wire leads from the bus bars out to your track points. The advantages of a star over a bus are easier trouble-shooting (a bad point on a bus causes everything downstream to go awry as well, where as with a star each feed stands on its own), block building, and reconfiguration/addition to your layout later. I have a star on my latest layout and love it. http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=fltJrqpyVmXen5Ep5jc2r\ g%3d%3d <http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=fltJrqpyVmXen5Ep5jc2\ rg%3d%3d> http://www.mouser.com/catalog/636/1466.pdf <http://www.mouser.com/catalog/636/1466.pdf> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Shannon" <jshannon148@...> wrote: > > I have searched the archives and I have not found a post on the > preferred method of connecting the track feeder wires (22 gage) to the > undertable buss wiring (14 gage). Is it best to cut the buss, twist > together and solder, or use those blue plastic clip things or ??? > > Also, is it necessary to twist stranded buss wiring to prevent > magnetic currents, if so, how many twists per foot?? > > Thanks, John > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50889	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Extreme Trains on History Channal Website

A followup to my previous note. For more information about the Extreme Trains series, go to the History Channel website History.com: http://www.history.com/minisites/extreme-trains Regards, Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50890	From: warren_chadbourne	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Headed to Nashville

Hi, I am going from cold snowy Northern Idaho to Nashville for the week of Thanksgiving. Are there any special train places I should try to visit, or people to I should meet? Thank you Bud

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50891	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Tim, I did use the regular element and wick. If you have never replaced a wick, have fun getting the ends down those little holes. Good Luck, Larry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: tim.benner@...: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:14:45 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume Larry,Thanks! That's great info. I was planning an order to Port Lines so I may have to add the SIT cylinder to it. I don't want to barrage you with questions, but did you use the 'regular' smoke wick and element? I have seen different ones for the Franklin but not for the SIT units. I surfaced the commutator and rebrushed the SIT motor last year so it is running nice and quiet (relative to other AF motors) IMaybe the new element and piston unit will bring it up to par with the SIB smokers...only quieter.Tim BennerDayton, Ohio _________________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50892	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: New History Channel 'Extreme Trains' Show

Yesterday's USA TODAY has an article announcing a new train show on the History Channel. It is called 'Extreme Trains' and will be on Tuesday nights at 10 PM ET for eight weeks. It's hosted by a Matt Brown and will have shows including Norfolk Southern coal service, the Amtrak Acela, Ringling Bros. circus train, and Union Pacific west coast to east coast refrigerated produce trains. Enjoy, Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50893	From: gettysburg9	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: smoke volume/power question

Today I ran my 21100. It smokes immediately and smokes up a storm (best volume of all I have), but stops after about 8 feet down the track. If I walk away and return later, the same thing again occurs. It has been doing this for about 8 times throughout the day. What could be the rationale behind this? Could there be too much smoke fluid? (I put about 8 drops initially since I had it sitting on display for over a year) Also, it appears to be a great puller. I have put 4 regular cars in the consist along with two heavy aluminum 660 and 662's and it has no problem pulling, even ascending the trestle section. Were the later motors that much of an improvement even in these "low end" engines? Thanks for your input. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50894	From: DeWayne Harrison	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Contemporary Train Horns

Hello all, I am new here and in need of some help. I am a custom 1/64 semi truck builder and looking for some train horns for a truck that I am building for a contest. I want a triple set all facing the same direction. Found some from local hobby store and when they tried to order them the company no longer existed. So, if anyone out there can help I would greatly appreciate it. You can check my trucks out on the web at www.hcmtoys.com Thanks again D. J. dewayne@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50895	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: smoke volume/power question

Paul, 8 drops is probably not too much fluid. If you are getting smoke for a few minutes then the element is good. But it sounds like the wick may be clogged or charred to the point where it cannot supply fluid to the element fast enough. You may be able to soften the wick. I have seen several remedies posted. If you search for smoke on this list you will get pages of results. I'll tell you what works for me. When I first get my smokers out after an extended time I intentionally over-fill them..upwards of 20 drops, and leave them sit for at least an hour or two. They smoke pretty well then. After running them I over fill again, just a little, maybe 10-12 drops. After an overnight they smoke even better and after repeating for a few days they smoke like crazy. That was the good news. The bad news is that if the wick is badly charred (usually from running dry) it will need to be replaced. The wick/element assemblies are inexpensive and are really not that hard to replace... except for the first one. Port Lines Hobbies has instructions on line so you can see what you'll be getting into before you decide to start. There is a regular on this list who provides excellent fluid. I won't mention names out of fear of starting "smoke fluid wars". If you search the list for smoke fluid you'll see what I mean... Very entertaining! Have fun! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50896	From: David Engle	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: smoke volume/power question

What gets warm then cuts out until it cools back down? ----- Original Message ----- From: gettysburg9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] smoke volume/power question Today I ran my 21100. It smokes immediately and smokes up a storm (best volume of all I have), but stops after about 8 feet down the track. If I walk away and return later, the same thing again occurs. It has been doing this for about 8 times throughout the day. What could be the rationale behind this? Could there be too much smoke fluid? (I put about 8 drops initially since I had it sitting on display for over a year) Also, it appears to be a great puller. I have put 4 regular cars in the consist along with two heavy aluminum 660 and 662's and it has no problem pulling, even ascending the trestle section. Were the later motors that much of an improvement even in these "low end" engines? Thanks for your input. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50897	From: John	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Contemporary Train Horns

Well DeWayne I must say that your models are excellent and very detailed!! At sometime in the future I may inquire on a piece or two for my future layout Good Job!! John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "DeWayne Harrison" <dewayne@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Contemporary Train Horns > Hello all, I am new here and in need of some help. I am a custom 1/64 > semi truck builder and looking for some train horns for a truck that I > am building for a contest. I want a triple set all facing the same > direction. Found some from local hobby store and when they tried to > order them the company no longer existed. So, if anyone out there can > help I would greatly appreciate it. You can check my trucks out on the > web at www.hcmtoys.com > Thanks again > D. J. > dewayne@... > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50898	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea

See picture of Mel's drive in a $9 car scene from the leaders in S sales Wal Mart. We need to add 1/64 collectors to our group and grow. There are millions of them. The 3 figures are worth the price plus you get a building and a car. What a deal. I'll see if I can design a complete building from this front. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50899	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: AF wheel conversion pictures. This is why I was detailing the Plast

The pictures are under Kit Bashing photos There is also side frame I would like identified. I need help on how to do a conversion. I do not yet know how to attach the linkage and don't know how to hold the side rod. It looks like I will have to build a frame from u shaped steel or brass. There is a large blob of medal. It has some form of connectors. Does any one have any of these parts that they do not need? Does any one have any pictures of completed engines? Thanks Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50900	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: smoke volume/power question

Paul, Could be a cold solder joint. Mike PS: The afore mentioned fluid might be mine Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 In a message dated 11/11/2008 3:53:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tim.benner@... writes: Paul, 8 drops is probably not too much fluid. If you are getting smoke for a few minutes then the element is good. But it sounds like the wick may be clogged or charred to the point where it cannot supply fluid to the element fast enough. You may be able to soften the wick. I have seen several remedies posted. If you search for smoke on this list you will get pages of results. I'll tell you what works for me. When I first get my smokers out after an extended time I intentionally over-fill them..upwards of 20 drops, and leave them sit for at least an hour or two. They smoke pretty well then. After running them I over fill again, just a little, maybe 10-12 drops. After an overnight they smoke even better and after repeating for a few days they smoke like crazy. That was the good news. The bad news is that if the wick is badly charred (usually from running dry) it will need to be replaced. The wick/element assemblies are inexpensive and are really not that hard to replace... except for the first one. Port Lines Hobbies has instructions on line so you can see what you'll be getting into before you decide to start. There is a regular on this list who provides excellent fluid. I won't mention names out of fear of starting "smoke fluid wars". If you search the list for smoke fluid you'll see what I mean... Very entertaining! Have fun! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50901	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Tooltime

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are. My wife is always looking at me and saying, "I don't think so, Tim" and my name is Carlton. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50902	From: David Engle	Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Contemporary Train Horns

How about decal sets and other items for at least the semi-trailers of major truck lines of, say, the 1960s, those most like to be on piggyback flats. Ringsby, Western, Watson Bros., Denver-Chicago Express, Illinois-California Express, Navajo, and no doubt more. FWIW, there is Bob Stonich, dba Rail Photos Unlimited, out of Joliet, Ill who apparently has a lot of truck shots, also Hankstruckpictures.com, maybe other sources? ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Contemporary Train Horns Well DeWayne I must say that your models are excellent and very detailed!! At sometime in the future I may inquire on a piece or two for my future layout Good Job!! John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "DeWayne Harrison" <dewayne@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Contemporary Train Horns > Hello all, I am new here and in need of some help. I am a custom 1/64 > semi truck builder and looking for some train horns for a truck that I > am building for a contest. I want a triple set all facing the same > direction. Found some from local hobby store and when they tried to > order them the company no longer existed. So, if anyone out there can > help I would greatly appreciate it. You can check my trucks out on the > web at www.hcmtoys.com > Thanks again > D. J. > dewayne@... > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50903	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Calling all San Diego area S-Gaugers

If you're within whatever you call a reasonable distance from San Diego, I'd like to invite you to join our new club, the San Diego S-Gaugers.  We formed the club this last spring with a threefold mission:        - promotion of S-Gauge model railroading,      - education about model railroading in general but S-Gauge in particular, and      - having a lot of fun together in the process.   We are presently working feverishly to complete a modular layout for the December train show at the Del Mar Fairgrounds.  For this our first show, we'll have four straight modules and four corners of the Krause design so they're reversible and we can do doglegs, dogbones, etc., in the future.  We'd love to meet you and to have you join the club!   Bob Graves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50904	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: MSU Train Show

Greetings! Roy, The information package arrived and I think most was distributed. I have three or four "packets' left and will take those to the Grand Rapids Show after the Holidays. Met "Tom H. and Jerry P". Jerry"s club had a great operating layout and was running some of Jerry"s "recreated" engines. Great to put faces with names. Think all had a good time, except for the snowy drive home .... were not quite ready for that. Best Wishes to all, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50906	From: race944t	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume

They make wicks with hard ends for feeding through the holes. The extra money for the hard ends is well worth it in time saved. I know Joe Haenn with Joe's Train repair (on this list) carries them and I'm sure the other fine dealers do as well. "Banker" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > > Tim, I did use the regular element and wick. If you have never replaced a wick, have fun getting the ends down those little holes. Good Luck, Larry > > To: S-Trains@...: tim.benner@...: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:14:45 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SIT volume > > > > Larry,Thanks! That's great info. I was planning an order to Port Lines so I may have to add the SIT cylinder to it. I don't want to barrage you with questions, but did you use the 'regular' smoke wick and element? I have seen different ones for the Franklin but not for the SIT units. I surfaced the commutator and rebrushed the SIT motor last year so it is running nice and quiet (relative to other AF motors) IMaybe the new element and piston unit will bring it up to par with the SIB smokers...only quieter.Tim BennerDayton, Ohio > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50907	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Ebay

For those of you who sell on ebay, you have just lost me as a customer. I have been using ebay for years and have never had a problem either paying for, or receiving payment for items, without the use of paypal. Now that ebay requires sellers to use paypal, I have closed my account and will no longer use ebay. If you are still selling there, let them know you are losing cutomers because of their greedy rules. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50908	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Fw: RMDTCA Tidbits November 11, 2008

Many American Flyer collectors, from York PA to California, know Jim Marski and his wonderful wife Peg. Their " Depot G Hobby " in Chicago, his many open houses in Pine Colorado, to share his collection of Gilbert trains, and his world famous collection of Jeeps (1:1 scale ) Jerry 77-11644 RMDTCA Tidbits To all RMDTCA members with email. Please SHARE with the unconnected. From Kent Schwarz, Secretary RMDTCA secretary@... RMDTCA website http://www.rmdtoytrains.org/ RMDTCA layouts http://www.venturea.com/rmd.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Contents: - Sad news. Peg Marski passed away today. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- To all members and family members of the RMD, It’s with a heavy heart that I inform you, Peg Marski, our Division President Jim Marski’s wife, passed away in the early hours of Tuesday, November 11, 2008. At the moment, we do not know the cause of Peg’s passing. As soon as we have additional information, we will let you know. In talking with Jim, he indicated that Peg was so very happy to be in the Pine, Colorado area that he is tentatively planning a service for Peg on Saturday, November 15, 2008 in the early afternoon. He’s thinking in the 1:00 PM to 2:00 PM time frame. However, when the plans have been finalized, he will pass the information along to us. For those of us that knew Peg Marski, she was an inspiration. Although she fought numerous ailments in her life, Peg would always open her heart and her home to her friends and neighbors. She never seemed to let the difficult side of her health stop her from enjoying her family and friends. Peg would always participate to whatever extent her health would allow, in every activity that involved Jim and/or her family and friends. Peg and her unique ability to persevere will be truly missed by each and every one of us that knew her. For those of you that would like to contact Jim, here is his address and etc. James G. Marski P.O. Box 63 Pine, Colorado 80470 1-303-345-5031 marski@... Our thoughts and prayers go out to Jim and his family in this most difficult time. Ron Stowell ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- ____________________________________________________________ Get help now! Click to find the right drug rehab solution for you. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nCeLsIVHsqcc8hxy5UHQSmU9u3T2WOf4GEGMyISntPoOxdx/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50909	From: race944t	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: New History Channel 'Extreme Trains' Show

Good show last night, although somewhat simplistic. Especially neat for those of us who attended TCA's 50th in Pittsburg and went to the horseshoe curve. "Banker" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roger Delthony <rpd5@...> wrote: > > Yesterday's USA TODAY has an article announcing a new train show on the History Channel. It is called 'Extreme Trains' and will be on Tuesday nights at 10 PM ET for eight weeks. It's hosted by a Matt Brown and will have shows including Norfolk Southern coal service, the Amtrak Acela, Ringling Bros. circus train, and Union Pacific west coast to east coast refrigerated produce trains. > > Enjoy, > Roger Delthony >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50910	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

fwiw: Yes, sellers have to accept paypal, but they can also accept other forms of payment, paypal is not the only payment method, the world is not going to end, the sky is not falling. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: > > For those of you who sell on ebay, you have just lost me as a > customer. I have been using ebay for years and have never had a > problem either paying for, or receiving payment for items, without the > use of paypal. Now that ebay requires sellers to use paypal, I have > closed my account and will no longer use ebay. If you are still > selling there, let them know you are losing cutomers because of their > greedy rules. > > Wayne >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50911	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

I do not like this policy either. But why stop as a buyer, paypal is free for you? Tom **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50912	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: For Roy Inman

I tried to respond to your e-mail twice by using the reply button, but it was returned "address unknown". Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50913	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume

For those wicks you already have, take about a 1" pc of Scotch magic tape, wrap it in around the ends of the wick in a conical fashion. Not that hard once you do a couple. Cut off any extra tape. Pass the taped tips through the holes. Either pull off the tape tips or cut them off if you have a wick long enough already without them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50914	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Web site THANKS

Just a small note to thank everyone who responded to my inquiry about creating a web site. I recieved eleven e-mails as well as the posts here! There's enough material here to keep me busy for a long time. Thanks again...Stumpy Stone...Martins Ferry, Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50915	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Ooops, sorry. I meant to note - - tape tips while the wick is dry. Don't wet it with smoke fluid until later. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > For those wicks you already have, take about a 1" pc of Scotch magic > tape, wrap it in around the ends of the wick in a conical fashion. Not > that hard once you do a couple. Cut off any extra tape. Pass the > taped tips through the holes. Either pull off the tape tips or cut > them off if you have a wick long enough already without them. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50916	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: smoke volume/power question

Try soaking the wick with Lionel smoke fluid. Smells like crap, but it seems to restore hardened wicks. usually, I'll give it a funnel full of Lionel smoke, let it sit overnight, then let 'er rip-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50917	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume

Another trick in getting the wick ends thru the holes is to twist them tight, then dribble a little candle wax onto the ends. After it's hardened, trim to fit thru the holes. Once you've got past the waxed bits, cut them off with scissors. works for me- John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50918	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: For Roy Inman

I have been having email troubles the last couple of days. Don't know what's going on... Roy Inman From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:00:57 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] For Roy Inman I tried to respond to your e-mail twice by using the reply button, but it was returned "address unknown". Wayne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50919	From: Bob Anson	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

better look again...ONLY PAYPAL will be accepted.  anyone caught putting other forms of payment in the listings will be dealt with in ebays own way. Bob Anson %~) --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@...> wrote: From: Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 10:32 AM fwiw: Yes, sellers have to accept paypal, but they can also accept other forms of payment, paypal is not the only payment method, the world is not going to end, the sky is not falling. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@ ...> wrote: > > For those of you who sell on ebay, you have just lost me as a > customer. I have been using ebay for years and have never had a > problem either paying for, or receiving payment for items, without the > use of paypal. Now that ebay requires sellers to use paypal, I have > closed my account and will no longer use ebay. If you are still > selling there, let them know you are losing cutomers because of their > greedy rules. > > Wayne > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50920	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

It's not that you can't accept money orders, check, or cash, it's that you can't advertise that you do.  I have just sold some items on ebay and when I sent invoices to the buyers, check, money order, and cashier's check came up as alternative payment methods I could offer to the buyer.  It's bizarre, though, because those options don't always come up; sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@...> wrote: From: Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 7:32 AM fwiw: Yes, sellers have to accept paypal, but they can also accept other forms of payment, paypal is not the only payment method, the world is not going to end, the sky is not falling. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@ ...> wrote: > > For those of you who sell on ebay, you have just lost me as a > customer. I have been using ebay for years and have never had a > problem either paying for, or receiving payment for items, without the > use of paypal. Now that ebay requires sellers to use paypal, I have > closed my account and will no longer use ebay. If you are still > selling there, let them know you are losing cutomers because of their > greedy rules. > > Wayne > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50921	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume

You need our $3.00 "Smoke Wick Tool" ! You'll thread that wick through the holes in any smoke unit in seconds!!!! <<<<If you have never replaced a wick, have fun getting the ends down those little holes.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50922	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Paypal is fine. Works well. No problem. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote: > > fwiw: Yes, sellers have to accept paypal, but they can also accept > other forms of payment, paypal is not the only payment method, the > world is not going to end, the sky is not falling. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50923	From: William Porter	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Ahh, English is the language that divides us. Here is the note I posted on another list. I hope it puts this topic to rest: First the factual part: The new eBay regulations are that sellers must offer an online payment method. Pay Pal is the simplest to use since it is built in to eBay. Other online options are OK. Other forms of payment are OK. Checks are OK. Money Orders are OK. Cashier's Checks are OK. These methods of payment can be placed in the body of the ad. There is no longer a check box to have them listed as a feature of the ad. Now the opinion part: Pay Pal and any other commercial online payment service will never assist the seller in a dispute. I buy and sell on eBay because I live far from any hobby shops and there are not many train shows within 1 tank of gas from where I live. My wife and daughter have both had instances where a buyer claimed not to have received the goods even though they had return receipts and delivery confirmations. The credit card folks just give the refund to that sort of crook and leave the seller out in the cold. Don't be confused by the new regulations. This change in payment strategy favors buyers. That is because there are far more buyers (and therefore more complainers) than there are sellers. Ebay does not want to hear complaints and does not want the expense of researching fraudulent sellers. With Pay Pal or any other online service, the resolution of any conflict is easy: give the money back to the buyer. I really don't understand the flood of notes from buyers complaining about these changes. It is the sellers, especially the smaller and less flexible sellers who are taking a hit. I try to be flexible. By the way, I always include Pay Pal as a payment method since it greatly increases the market of potential bidders and buyers. I also accept other forms of payment. About 1 in 20 of my buyers sends a check or money order these days for the train-related stuff I trade. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:34 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay It's not that you can't accept money orders, check, or cash, it's that you can't advertise that you do. I have just sold some items on ebay and when I sent invoices to the buyers, check, money order, and cashier's check came up as alternative payment methods I could offer to the buyer. It's bizarre, though, because those options don't always come up; sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@earthlink. <mailto:pndunlop%40earthlink.net> net> wrote: From: Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@earthlink. <mailto:pndunlop%40earthlink.net> net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 7:32 AM fwiw: Yes, sellers have to accept paypal, but they can also accept other forms of payment, paypal is not the only payment method, the world is not going to end, the sky is not falling. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@ ...> wrote: > > For those of you who sell on ebay, you have just lost me as a > customer. I have been using ebay for years and have never had a > problem either paying for, or receiving payment for items, without the > use of paypal. Now that ebay requires sellers to use paypal, I have > closed my account and will no longer use ebay. If you are still > selling there, let them know you are losing cutomers because of their > greedy rules. > > Wayne > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50924	From: G C	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: New History Channel 'Extreme Trains' Show

Thanks, for the heads up.All in all, I enjoyed the show, especially the scenes of the Horse Shoe Curve, but the guy on the show was a bit obnoxious. What's with all the screaming and hysterics? History Channel has been that way lately. I watched a bunch of the Jurassic Fight Club shows and thought I was watching some sort of sports event. Do they have to try that hard to keep our attention? What age or intellectual level are these shows aimed at? Can't wait till they do a show on a steam locomotive! In the mean time, for those of you who get it, don't forget the Trains and Locomotives show on Mondays and Saturdays on the RFD Channel. Lots of trains without the "hystoryonics". Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50925	From: Tim Benner	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT volume

I should have put one of those tools on my order. I have had luck using one of the kid's broken guitar strings (steel .01 wire) Push a loop of the wire up through the hole, put the wick end through the loop and pull it right through. The trouble is that I am inclined to throw the guitar string away afterwards. Then the next time you need to go looking for another string. That wouldn't happen with a tool. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: > You need our $3.00 "Smoke Wick Tool" ! You'll thread that wick through > the holes in any smoke unit in seconds!!!! > > <<<<If you have never replaced a wick, have fun getting the ends down > those little holes.>>> > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > www.sgaugetrains.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> > www.flyerparts.com > <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data > \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50926	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Works for me too. Over 300 transactions, never a problem. I don't understand - are people (sellers) just too cheap to pay the PayPal fees? They are really not that much considering the service you get. And you can always bump up your price a bit to cover the fees if you want to. Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > Paypal is fine. Works well. No problem. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@> wrote: > > > > fwiw: Yes, sellers have to accept paypal, but they can also accept > > other forms of payment, paypal is not the only payment method, the > > world is not going to end, the sky is not falling. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50927	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: New History Channel 'Extreme Trains' Show

<In the mean time, for those of you who get it, don't forget the Trains and Locomotives show on Mondays and Saturdays on the RFD Channel. Lots of trains without the "hystoryonics". What age or intellectual level are these shows aimed at? Gene Cimino> Yep, "Reality TV" at its finest!! Age 12~15 is the demographic I have heard. Roy Inman From: G C <ecphora123@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:47:29 -0800 (PST) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New History Channel 'Extreme Trains' Show Thanks, for the heads up.All in all, I enjoyed the show, especially the scenes of the Horse Shoe Curve, but the guy on the show was a bit obnoxious. What's with all the screaming and hysterics? History Channel has been that way lately. I watched a bunch of the Jurassic Fight Club shows and thought I was watching some sort of sports event. Do they have to try that hard to keep our attention? Can't wait till they do a show on a steam locomotive! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50928	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

I would rather use Pay Pal than writing a check for instance. My checks, and I assume everyones, have the acct. # and routing number. Pay Pal does not share that info with the seller, nor does it share CC info. Can we trust Pay Pal? I have never had a problem, but these days it is getting more difficult to tell who we can trust in the financial markets. I think the reason why eBay now requires Pay Pal to be listed as the only option is because eBay owns Pay Pal and it that makes for an almost automatic additional revenue source. Roy Inman From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:18:22 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Paypal is fine. Works well. No problem. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote: > > fwiw: Yes, sellers have to accept paypal, but they can also accept > other forms of payment, paypal is not the only payment method, the > world is not going to end, the sky is not falling. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50929	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Wayne,   You can still pay for items any method. The only thing ebay has done is finally protect buyers from the thieves out there that refuse to use PayPal because it protects the buyer from fraud. I purchased a 312 K5 Pacific this year from a "power seller" with over "5000 ebay sales". I even told them via the phone that I required a working loco. I was assured it was but they only accepted Money Orders or cashiers checks. That should have been warning enough but I purchased a MO (adding both the fee and the postage to the cost), mailed it off, waited 3 weeks for the seller to mail the loco, and recieved a loco with a broken frame. The "antique dealer" used no padding and packed the engine against the tender. I could get no refund since it was a Money order. My only recourse was to post negative feedback and the seller retaliated by posting bogus negative feedback. If it would have been a PayPal sale, I could have returned the broken item. Shown proof that I had done so (signature receipt), and the purchase price plus shipping would have been refunded.   Now I have negative feedback on my account and a broken loco (repaired for almost the purchase price in parts required). I'm sorry. I can'tagree with you when ebay protects the buyers. Lessons learned: Do NOT buy from a seller that is not a TCA member or does NOT use PayPal.   Respectfully, Nick Kulp TCA # 05-59603   For those of you who sell on ebay, you have just lost me as a customer.  I have been using ebay for years and have never had a problem either paying for, or receiving payment for items, without the use of paypal.  Now that ebay requires sellers to use paypal, I have closed my account and will no longer use ebay.  If you are still selling there, let them know you are losing cutomers because of their greedy rules. Wayne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50930	From: DeWayne Harrison	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Contemporary Train Horns

Thank You to all for the help. I was able to contact Bill at BTS and Doug at Portline to get everything I needed. Been trying for six months to get these from a local hobby store and should have tried here first. Thanks again D. J. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Engle" <RIRocket@...> wrote: > > How about decal sets and other items for at least the semi-trailers of major truck lines of, say, the 1960s, those most like to be on piggyback flats. Ringsby, Western, Watson Bros., Denver-Chicago Express, Illinois-California Express, Navajo, and no doubt more. FWIW, there is Bob Stonich, dba Rail Photos Unlimited, out of Joliet, Ill who apparently has a lot of truck shots, also Hankstruckpictures.com, maybe other sources? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Contemporary Train Horns > > > Well DeWayne > > I must say that your models are excellent and very detailed!! > > At sometime in the future I may inquire on a piece or two for my future > layout > > Good Job!! > > John Frankforther > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DeWayne Harrison" <dewayne@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:43 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Contemporary Train Horns > > > Hello all, I am new here and in need of some help. I am a custom 1/64 > > semi truck builder and looking for some train horns for a truck that I > > am building for a contest. I want a triple set all facing the same > > direction. Found some from local hobby store and when they tried to > > order them the company no longer existed. So, if anyone out there can > > help I would greatly appreciate it. You can check my trucks out on the > > web at www.hcmtoys.com > > Thanks again > > D. J. > > dewayne@... > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50931	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Yep. When PayPal was owned by PayPal, Ebay used a service called (I think) Bid-Pay or something like that, in direct competition with PayPal. When Ebay's Bid-Pay system was proved not as popular as PayPal, Ebay just bought them out. I've been using PayPal since '01 and have never had one problem. I prefer buying from sellers that use PayPal for the following reasons (some already stated): *I don't have to go to the store or the bank for a money order or a bank check. Saves envelopes, stamps, and gas to get to the store or bank. Everything can be accomplished right at your desk. *I don't have to send someone I don't know a personal check with my account number and bank routing number clearly visible, thereby eliminating the chance of my account being used unscrupulously. *PayPal protects buyers from fraud. *Buyers pay no fees for either transactions during buys or refunds from sellers for returned goods, unless the seller doesn't go through the proper steps to file a refund via PayPal. If the buyer just sends you money without going through the refund process at PayPal, then the buyer will be charged a fee. That's why it's important to mention to the seller during a refund transaction to make sure he uses the proper steps when sending a refund for returned goods. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: rinphoto@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay I would rather use Pay Pal than writing a check for instance. My checks, and I assume everyones, have the acct. # and routing number. Pay Pal does not share that info with the seller, nor does it share CC info. Can we trust Pay Pal? I have never had a problem, but these days it is getting more difficult to tell who we can trust in the financial markets. I think the reason why eBay now requires Pay Pal to be listed as the only option is because eBay owns Pay Pal and it that makes for an almost automatic additional revenue source. Roy Inman From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:18:22 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Paypal is fine. Works well. No problem. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote: > > fwiw: Yes, sellers have to accept paypal, but they can also accept > other forms of payment, paypal is not the only payment method, the > world is not going to end, the sky is not falling. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50932	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: New History Channel 'Extreme Trains' Show

The guy's a train buff, thus the emotion. I didn't like the speedy, fast-forward portions. Real time train motion is best. A one hour show about Amtrak Acela followed. Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of G C Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New History Channel 'Extreme Trains' Show Thanks, for the heads up.All in all, I enjoyed the show, especially the scenes of the Horse Shoe Curve, but the guy on the show was a bit obnoxious. What's with all the screaming and hysterics? History Channel has been that way lately. I watched a bunch of the Jurassic Fight Club shows and thought I was watching some sort of sports event. Do they have to try that hard to keep our attention? What age or intellectual level are these shows aimed at? Can't wait till they do a show on a steam locomotive! In the mean time, for those of you who get it, don't forget the Trains and Locomotives show on Mondays and Saturdays on the RFD Channel. Lots of trains without the "hystoryonics". Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1782 - Release Date: 11/11/2008 7:32 PM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50933	From: gettysburg9	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Double Helix info needed.

Just taking a stab in the dark. Anyone know where I can get any info/specs on constructing a "double helix"? Saw one while visiting a large S scale layout this weekend. This one was made for O gauge. It climbed on the outside and then descended on the inner coils. Voltage was automatically reduced to keep the speed constant. I was fascinated by this and desire to tackle it for AF. His even had frogs which could reverse direction at the top, but cannot remember why he said that he never uses it. I don't even want to get into that can of worms. Any directions or info to save me l-0-n-g hours of going in circles myself would be appreciated. Or, should I just forget the headache? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50934	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Nick Kulp wrote: > My only > recourse was to post negative feedback and the seller retaliated by > posting bogus negative feedback. If it would have been a PayPal sale, I > could have returned the broken item. Shown proof that I > had done so (signature receipt), and the purchase price plus shipping > would have been refunded. Sounds like the only really negative experience I ever had with eBay. Guy sent the wrong item after I paid by money order. Then he refused to respond to any e-mails and when I filed a complaint, he filed a "non-paying bidder" complaint. They finally canceled the whole transaction but I never got my money back after sending back the incorrect item. Be careful in dealing with a mw*** auctions seller. I suspect he has gone away since they now require PayPal. On a related note, I've been a PayPal customer ever since they started as Xorcom bank. Never had any problems with them. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50935	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Run DC from your AF transformer

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/648781057/pic/list;jsessionid=CD7E8BEA0ABE58A71CC698B8379300FA. MRC Tech ll out put DC 2.5 Amp. Has Automatic Pulse, Brake Switch, Reverse loop Direction Switch. Operation lights. Have 3 $20 each plus shipping. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50936	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay, FROM EBAY

Here's the final word on the accepted forms of payment on ebay. I think the confusion in our discussion is between what they allow now versus their plan for January. The following is from Ebay under accepted forms of payment which is a subpage of Seller Central: Other methods of payment Personal checks, cashier?s checks, and money orders. These methods are traceable to a particular mailing address, but most sellers who offer them wait for the payment to clear the bank before they ship the item to the buyer. Payment by check, cashier?s check, or money order is not permitted for most eBay purchases. Exceptions include vehicles, capital and business equipment, real estate, items in the Adult Only category, and local pickup. For specific exceptions, see Accepted Payments Policy. When you click on Accepted Payments Policy, you get this: Enforcement grace period for sellers: Starting October 20, 2008 only permitted payment methods will be displayed in the payment details section of listings. Sellers will need to remove all references to non-permitted payment methods from item descriptions. We know that this is a busy time of year for sellers, so to allow sufficient time to change templates, we will wait until January 15, 2009 before we begin taking action against sellers soliciting non-permitted payment methods within the item description of listings. Not permitted on eBay.com Sellers may not solicit: Buyers to mail cash. Buyers to send cash or money orders through instant cash transfer services (non-bank, point-to-point cash transfers) such as Western Union or MoneyGram. Buyers to mail checks or money orders (except for items in categories specifically permitted above) Payment through bank-to-bank transfers (except for items in categories specifically permitted above) Payment through "topping off" of a seller's pre-paid credit or debit card. Payment through online payment methods not specifically permitted in this policy. Payment through payment methods not listed in this policy. All of the above is directly from ebay. I think some buyers do not like the change because it limits their freedom of choice of how to pay. Hope this helps! Clay Lone Star Trains and Collectibles 4161 Naco-Perrin Blvd. San Antonio, TX 78217 210-655-4665 www.lonestartrains.com -----Original Message----- From: William Porter [mailto:wpporter@...] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Ahh, English is the language that divides us. Here is the note I posted on another list. I hope it puts this topic to rest: First the factual part: The new eBay regulations are that sellers must offer an online payment method. Pay Pal is the simplest to use since it is built in to eBay. Other online options are OK. Other forms of payment are OK. Checks are OK. Money Orders are OK. Cashier's Checks are OK. These methods of payment can be placed in the body of the ad. There is no longer a check box to have them listed as a feature of the ad. Now the opinion part: Pay Pal and any other commercial online payment service will never assist the seller in a dispute. I buy and sell on eBay because I live far from any hobby shops and there are not many train shows within 1 tank of gas from where I live. My wife and daughter have both had instances where a buyer claimed not to have received the goods even though they had return receipts and delivery confirmations. The credit card folks just give the refund to that sort of crook and leave the seller out in the cold. Don't be confused by the new regulations. This change in payment strategy favors buyers. That is because there are far more buyers (and therefore more complainers) than there are sellers. Ebay does not want to hear complaints and does not want the expense of researching fraudulent sellers. With Pay Pal or any other online service, the resolution of any conflict is easy: give the money back to the buyer. I really don't understand the flood of notes from buyers complaining about these changes. It is the sellers, especially the smaller and less flexible sellers who are taking a hit. I try to be flexible. By the way, I always include Pay Pal as a payment method since it greatly increases the market of potential bidders and buyers. I also accept other forms of payment. About 1 in 20 of my buyers sends a check or money order these days for the train-related stuff I trade. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:34 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay It's not that you can't accept money orders, check, or cash, it's that you can't advertise that you do. I have just sold some items on ebay and when I sent invoices to the buyers, check, money order, and cashier's check came up as alternative payment methods I could offer to the buyer. It's bizarre, though, because those options don't always come up; sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@earthlink. <mailto:pndunlop%40earthlink.net> net> wrote: From: Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@earthlink. <mailto:pndunlop%40earthlink.net> net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 7:32 AM fwiw: Yes, sellers have to accept paypal, but they can also accept other forms of payment, paypal is not the only payment method, the world is not going to end, the sky is not falling. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@ ...> wrote: > > For those of you who sell on ebay, you have just lost me as a > customer. I have been using ebay for years and have never had a > problem either paying for, or receiving payment for items, without the > use of paypal. Now that ebay requires sellers to use paypal, I have > closed my account and will no longer use ebay. If you are still > selling there, let them know you are losing cutomers because of their > greedy rules. > > Wayne > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50937	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

But I heard that would only be good through the end of the year. Starting Jan. 1, 2009 all those that sell on ebay and sell more than $600 per year will be issued a 1099. **************Get movies delivered to your mailbox. One month free from blockbuster.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.email_footer) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50938	From: t_man8712	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Hi Everyone, I usually do not reply or post any messages on this site however, I had to respond to this one. Paypal is probably good for the buyer. It is not good for the seller. I just sold an item on Ebay. The buyer paid through Paypal. Paypal places a hold on your money, only releasing it after 21 days or when the buyer gives you good feed back. In my case Paypal held on to my money for over 30 days even after the buyer left good feed back. For all this you get charged a fee. I had to ship the item using my money for postage. Paypal does it for the float on the money. They collect the interest you get nothing. If there was another way or competition it would be better. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > Yep. When PayPal was owned by PayPal, Ebay used a service called (I think) Bid-Pay or something like that, in direct competition with PayPal. When Ebay's Bid-Pay system was proved not as popular as PayPal, Ebay just bought them out. > > I've been using PayPal since '01 and have never had one problem. I prefer buying from sellers that use PayPal for the following reasons (some already stated): > > *I don't have to go to the store or the bank for a money order or a bank check. Saves envelopes, stamps, and gas to get to the store or bank. Everything can be accomplished right at your desk. > > *I don't have to send someone I don't know a personal check with my account number and bank routing number clearly visible, thereby eliminating the chance of my account being used unscrupulously. > > *PayPal protects buyers from fraud. > > *Buyers pay no fees for either transactions during buys or refunds from sellers for returned goods, unless the seller doesn't go through the proper steps to file a refund via PayPal. If the buyer just sends you money without going through the refund process at PayPal, then the buyer will be charged a fee. That's why it's important to mention to the seller during a refund transaction to make sure he uses the proper steps when sending a refund for returned goods. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rinphoto@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay > > > I would rather use Pay Pal than writing a check for instance. My checks, and > I assume everyones, have the acct. # and routing number. Pay Pal does not > share that info with the seller, nor does it share CC info. Can we trust Pay > Pal? I have never had a problem, but these days it is getting more difficult > to tell who we can trust in the financial markets. I think the reason why > eBay now requires Pay Pal to be listed as the only option is because eBay > owns Pay Pal and it that makes for an almost automatic additional revenue > source. > > Roy Inman > > From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:18:22 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay > > Paypal is fine. Works well. No problem. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups.com> , "Phil > Dunlop" <pndunlop@> wrote: > > > > fwiw: Yes, sellers have to accept paypal, but they can also accept > > other forms of payment, paypal is not the only payment method, the > > world is not going to end, the sky is not falling. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50939	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Run DC from your AF transformer

Jim- I'll take one. Is a personal check OK? I live in Louisville, Colorado - zip is 80027. Any idea of shipping cost? Jim Ensign -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "AZTECFAN" <aztecfan@...> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/648781057/pic/list;jsessioni > d=CD7E8BEA0ABE58A71CC698B8379300FA. > MRC Tech ll > out put DC 2.5 Amp. Has Automatic Pulse, Brake Switch, Reverse loop > Direction Switch. Operation lights. > > Have 3 $20 each plus shipping. > > Jim Sleeth > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50940	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: WANTED

HI, looking  for a few items, i need a tanker cap for a 312 koppers tankers and two platforms that go with it,and the ladders, also a tanker cap for a 926 gulf 3 dome tank car,thanks,,,,,,,, contact me off list at  lglumac@...           lou    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50941	From: Les Mavor	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: > > For those of you who sell on ebay, you have just lost me as a > customer. I have been using ebay for years and have never had a > problem either paying for, or receiving payment for items, without the > use of paypal. Now that ebay requires sellers to use paypal, I have > closed my account and will no longer use ebay. If you are still > selling there, let them know you are losing cutomers because of their > greedy rules. > > Wayne > We offer PayPal as a primary payment tool even though we don't sell our products on eBay (We did, as anexperiment, long ago.). Reasons: 1) Fast and FREE for the buyer, from any part of the world, regardless of currency, and low cost for us. 2) Buyer can pay with a credit card, and it is secure. If we took cards direct, there is risk for both parties and the bank makes a killing that skews the transaction. 3) Reduces risk of checks, although we do take them, and have had very few problems with model railroaders, who are among the most honourable people you will find. 4) It provides a confidence level for buyers all over the world, knowing that eBay (PayPal) is quick to jump on a party that abuses the privilege. As As retired banker with years of experience in foreign payments, the PayPal process is, to me, a vast improvement on all other ways of moving funds between countries, which is about 95% of our busineess. Les Mavor, www.sceniking.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50942	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

I have NEVER had PayPal hold my $$. As soon as a buyer has paid I could get my $$ out of any ATM. If paying with PayPal I ALWAYS use a CC . If there is anything wrong I can contact my CC co & Charge the payment back. PayPal's CRAPPY Buyers Protection is a bunch of %$@#*. You do better with your CC Co & get ALL your $ back. Mike In a message dated 11/12/2008 5:22:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hmmarks@... writes: Hi Everyone, I usually do not reply or post any messages on this site however, I had to respond to this one. Paypal is probably good for the buyer. It is not good for the seller. I just sold an item on Ebay. The buyer paid through Paypal. Paypal places a hold on your money, only releasing it after 21 days or when the buyer gives you good feed back. In my case Paypal held on to my money for over 30 days even after the buyer left good feed back. For all this you get charged a fee. I had to ship the item using my money for postage. Paypal does it for the float on the money. They collect the interest you get nothing. If there was another way or competition it would be better. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@..g> wrote: > > > Yep. When PayPal was owned by PayPal, Ebay used a service called (I think) Bid-Pay or something like that, in direct competition with PayPal. When Ebay's Bid-Pay system was proved not as popular as PayPal, Ebay just bought them out. > > I've been using PayPal since '01 and have never had one problem. I prefer buying from sellers that use PayPal for the following reasons (some already stated): > > *I don't have to go to the store or the bank for a money order or a bank check. Saves envelopes, stamps, and gas to get to the store or bank. Everything can be accomplished right at your desk. > > *I don't have to send someone I don't know a personal check with my account number and bank routing number clearly visible, thereby eliminating the chance of my account being used unscrupulously. > > *PayPal protects buyers from fraud. > > *Buyers pay no fees for either transactions during buys or refunds from sellers for returned goods, unless the seller doesn't go through the proper steps to file a refund via PayPal. If the buyer just sends you money without going through the refund process at PayPal, then the buyer will be charged a fee. That's why it's important to mention to the seller during a refund transaction to make sure he uses the proper steps when sending a refund for returned goods. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rinphoto@... > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay > > > I would rather use Pay Pal than writing a check for instance. My checks, and > I assume everyones, have the acct. # and routing number. Pay Pal does not > share that info with the seller, nor does it share CC info. Can we trust Pay > Pal? I have never had a problem, but these days it is getting more difficult > to tell who we can trust in the financial markets. I think the reason why > eBay now requires Pay Pal to be listed as the only option is because eBay > owns Pay Pal and it that makes for an almost automatic additional revenue > source. > > Roy Inman > > From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@.ds> > Reply-To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:18:22 +0000 > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay > > Paypal is fine. Works well. No problem. > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups.40y> , "Phil > Dunlop" <pndunlop@> wrote: > > > > fwiw: Yes, sellers have to accept paypal, but they can also accept > > other forms of payment, paypal is not the only payment method, the > > world is not going to end, the sky is not falling. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50943	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

How can E-Bay issue a 1099? They did not send any $$ to you from them. A 1099 is for INCOME only. Mike S In a message dated 11/12/2008 5:22:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, HOwingsiii@... writes: But I heard that would only be good through the end of the year. Starting Jan. 1, 2009 all those that sell on ebay and sell more than $600 per year will be issued a 1099. ************************<WBR>**Get movies delivered to your mailbox. One blockbuster.bloc (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http ://pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.ahttp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuste r.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.email_footer) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50944	From: jeff silvera	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Wicks

I use a little bit of mustache wax on the end of the wick. Just make it pointed with the wax, stick it through the holes till you get it where you want it then cut the waxed tips off... I find smoke units to be quite fun!                                                          Good Luck, Jeff S......                             [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50945	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

and he notes - The $600 figure per year was dropped and it is not eBay who sends the 1099 but PayPal beginning in 2012 for sales in 2011 per Ken Swab, PayPal Senior Government Relations Officer. The link below leads to his post: <http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?threadID=900148041&forumID=18&start=0>http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?threadID=900148041&forumID=18&start=0 No doubt other online payment processors will have to do the same. But it does look like taxing internet sales is in the works. Raleigh in chilly Maine At 04:32 PM 11/12/2008, HOwingsiii@... wrote: >But I heard that would only be good through the end of the year. Starting >Jan. 1, 2009 all those that sell on ebay and sell more than $600 per >year will >be issued a 1099. >**************Get movies delivered to your mailbox. One month free from >blockbuster.com >(<http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.email_footer>http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.email_footer) > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50946	From: John Metzger	Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee

John Metzger and many others from the AFSGSLA club will be there from the ST. LOUIS area. Anyone going to S-Fest in Milwaukee this coming week-end? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50947	From: John Metzger	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Double Helix info needed.

The AFSGSLA club has a double helix layout we show at train shows.  Contact Moe Berk at afsgsla@...  our St. Louis, MO  club leader.  John Metzger. ________________________________ From: gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:49:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Double Helix info needed. Just taking a stab in the dark. Anyone know where I can get any info/specs on constructing a "double helix"? Saw one while visiting a large S scale layout this weekend. This one was made for O gauge. It climbed on the outside and then descended on the inner coils. Voltage was automatically reduced to keep the speed constant. I was fascinated by this and desire to tackle it for AF. His even had frogs which could reverse direction at the top, but cannot remember why he said that he never uses it. I don't even want to get into that can of worms. Any directions or info to save me l-0-n-g hours of going in circles myself would be appreciated. Or, should I just forget the headache? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50948	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

George, I, too, had a problem with "mwinternetauctions", if that's to whom you refer. Unfortunately, it looks like he's still listing stuff. He is one rude SOB and has collected quite a few negatives. I would recommend that anyone thinking of bidding on the stuff he auctions think twice before they do. He has collected some good, positive feedback, but his performance is too eratic for me. He usually auctions substandard trains and parts from what I've seen, and in my opinion. On occasion, he lists a piece that actually looks like it might grade out at excellent, but I don't trust him. I steer clear of that guy, and anytime I happen on one of his auctions, I immediately hit the "back" button on my browser. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: George Cohn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Nick Kulp wrote: > My only > recourse was to post negative feedback and the seller retaliated by > posting bogus negative feedback. If it would have been a PayPal sale, I > could have returned the broken item. Shown proof that I > had done so (signature receipt), and the purchase price plus shipping > would have been refunded. Sounds like the only really negative experience I ever had with eBay. Guy sent the wrong item after I paid by money order. Then he refused to respond to any e-mails and when I filed a complaint, he filed a "non-paying bidder" complaint. They finally canceled the whole transaction but I never got my money back after sending back the incorrect item. Be careful in dealing with a mw*** auctions seller. I suspect he has gone away since they now require PayPal. On a related note, I've been a PayPal customer ever since they started as Xorcom bank. Never had any problems with them. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50949	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

and he notes - eBay sidestepped the issue on reporting sales several years ago declaring that they were only a venue (as did Yahoo and Amazon). They claimed that they were not involved in the actual sale as that was between the seller and buyer and they only acted as the go-between. Since they were not involved in collecting the money for sales and only charged the seller "fees" instead of "commissions" they did not fall under live auction regulations. A few states tried to enforce it but the Feds ruled against them. Unless the law is changed under Obama, companies like PayPal, Propay and other bank-affiliated credit card processing companies will file 1099s for merchant account customers who meet the requirements (200 transactions or sales of $20,000.00 or more per year). I'm not sure how this will effect personal accounts but we have two years to find out. When one considers that eBay's annual revenue is upwards of 7 Billions of Dollars, much of which comes from listing and final sale fees, the value of items sold is nearly ten times that amount (based on roughly a total of 10% fees) it's easy to see how a cash strapped State and Federal agency would like to get a cut but for now it's still hands off. Raleigh in Maine waitin' for the rain... At 08:30 PM 11/12/2008, anormal1@... wrote: >How can E-Bay issue a 1099? They did not send any $$ to you from them. A >1099 is for INCOME only. Mike S > > >In a message dated 11/12/2008 5:22:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ><mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>HOwingsiii@... writes: > >But I heard that would only be good through the end of the year. Starting >Jan. 1, 2009 all those that sell on ebay and sell more than $600 per year >will >be issued a 1099. >************************<WBR>**Get movies delivered to your mailbox. One >blockbuster.bloc >(_<http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http>http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http >://<pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.ahttp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_>pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.ahttp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_ > >(<http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuste>http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuste >r.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.email_footer) ) > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >**************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & >more!(<http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt>http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt ><p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001>p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50950	From: al paolozzi	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea

I have looked for this Mel's diner at Wal Mart but so far have not found it. Who is it made by? Would like to see one . Do you have a pic of one from a link? Thanks Al ----- Original Message ----- From: AZTECFAN To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Mels Drive In kit bashing idea See picture of Mel's drive in a $9 car scene from the leaders in S sales Wal Mart. We need to add 1/64 collectors to our group and grow. There are millions of them. The 3 figures are worth the price plus you get a building and a car. What a deal. I'll see if I can design a complete building from this front. Jim Sleeth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50951	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee

----- Original Message ----- From: John Metzger Anyone going to S-Fest in Milwaukee this coming week-end? > > > > > > > > > Yes. Tom Hawley -- dba Michigan Models.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50952	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Also it is $20,000 or 200 transactions. Mike In a message dated 11/12/2008 7:29:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, raleigh15@... writes: and he notes - The $600 figure per year was dropped and it is not eBay who sends the 1099 but PayPal beginning in 2012 for sales in 2011 per Ken Swab, PayPal Senior Government Relations Officer. The link below leads to his post: <_http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an&<WBR>forum&<WBR> st_ (http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?threadID=900148041&forumID=18&start=0) >_http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an&<WBR>forum&<WBR>st_ (http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?threadID=900148041&forumID=18&start=0) No doubt other online payment processors will have to do the same. But it does look like taxing internet sales is in the works. Raleigh in chilly Maine At 04:32 PM 11/12/2008, _HOwingsiii@..._ (mailto:HOwingsiii@...) wrote: >But I heard that would only be good through the end of the year. Starting >Jan. 1, 2009 all those that sell on ebay and sell more than $600 per >year will >be issued a 1099. >**********************<WBR>***Get movies delivered to your mailbox. One >blockbuster.blo >(<_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.ht tp://pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.ahttp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbus ter.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.email_footer) >_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http://pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.aht tp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.emai l_footer) ) > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50953	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** [S-Trains] Run DC from your AF transformer

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50954	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee

I will be there, all the way from Portland, OR !! Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote: > > Anyone going to S-Fest in Milwaukee this coming week-end? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50955	From: Robert Board	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Wicks

The SUPERSMOKE replacement wick for Flyer has compressed ends for easy insertion through the holes. Cut the ends off before closing up the chamber. jeff silvera wrote: > > I use a little bit of mustache wax on the end of the wick. Just make > it pointed with the wax, stick it through the holes till you get it > where you want it then cut the waxed tips off... > I find smoke units to be quite fun! > > Good Luck, Jeff > S...... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50956	From: slipswitch@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville

Does anyone know if there will be a Plasticville dealer at S Fest? I am looking for some pieces for my very '50-ish layout. I prefer the original items to the current Chinese production, and I prefer purchasing in person to purching over the internet. My local TCA meet can be hit or miss on these items. Thanks. John **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50957	From: piccu56	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

NO, no no. The E-Bay tax specialist emphatically specified $20,000 AND 200 transactions, not one or the other, its BOTH. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Also it is $20,000 or 200 transactions. Mike > > > In a message dated 11/12/2008 7:29:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > raleigh15@... writes: > > > > > and he notes - > > The $600 figure per year was dropped and it is not eBay who sends the > 1099 but PayPal beginning in 2012 for sales in 2011 per Ken Swab, > PayPal Senior Government Relations Officer. The link below leads to his post: > > <_http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an&<WBR>for um&<WBR> > st_ > (http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa? threadID=900148041&forumID=18&start=0) > >_http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an&<WBR>for um&<WBR>st_ > (http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa? threadID=900148041&forumID=18&start=0) > > No doubt other online payment processors will have to do the same. > But it does look like taxing internet sales is in the works. > > Raleigh in chilly Maine > > At 04:32 PM 11/12/2008, _HOwingsiii@..._ (mailto:HOwingsiii@...) > wrote: > > >But I heard that would only be good through the end of the year. Starting > >Jan. 1, 2009 all those that sell on ebay and sell more than $600 per > >year will > >be issued a 1099. > >**********************<WBR>***Get movies delivered to your mailbox. One > >blockbuster.blo > > (<_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp: //pr.ht > tp://pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.ahttp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_ > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol? redir=https://www.blockbus > ter.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.email_footer) > >_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp:/ /pr.http://pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.aht > tp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_ > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol? redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.emai > l_footer) ) > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol? redir=htt > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html? ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50958	From: DeWayne Harrison	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Contemporary Train Horns

John Thank you sir. I appreciate the compliment. Been working on trucks since I can remember. Several years back before my grandmother passed she decided to give me my Dad's old Flyer and that was the best ever. Specially since it was S or 1/64 which is what I have already. Thanks again. D. J. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote: > > Well DeWayne > > I must say that your models are excellent and very detailed!! > > At sometime in the future I may inquire on a piece or two for my future > layout > > Good Job!! > > John Frankforther > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DeWayne Harrison" <dewayne@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:43 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Contemporary Train Horns > > > > Hello all, I am new here and in need of some help. I am a custom 1/64 > > semi truck builder and looking for some train horns for a truck that I > > am building for a contest. I want a triple set all facing the same > > direction. Found some from local hobby store and when they tried to > > order them the company no longer existed. So, if anyone out there can > > help I would greatly appreciate it. You can check my trucks out on the > > web at www.hcmtoys.com > > Thanks again > > D. J. > > dewayne@... > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50959	From: Mike	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Toy Train Paper&Memorabilia Group (TTP&M)

This group was originally established in a non-Internet format in 1994. It is now being introduced as an electronic Yahoo Group: [URL=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToyTrainPaperMemorabilia/%5d http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToyTrainPaperMemorabilia/%5b/URL] Below tells you about our goals and objectives: The Toy Train Paper&Memorabilia (TTP&M)Group is an electronic forum, open to everyone, where the "paper" created for and about toy trains and related products can be discussed and information shared. The TTP&M Group's goal is to increase our knowledge and enjoyment. Subjects of interest include catalogues, magazines, instruction sheets and virtually all other paper items. Through the forum we can ask questions and share information about the pieces we study - be they common, obscure, or one-of-a-kind. Our scope covers "all eras" and manufacturers, including but not limited to: Lionel, Ives, American Flyer, Erector, Marx, Carlisle and Finch, Dorfan, Plasticville, J. L. Schilling, AMT, et al. Please note the "Related Link" (below on the home page under Group Email Addresses) which will lead you to details of the twice a year TTP&M Group get-together at the York Train meet sponsored by the Eastern Division of the TCA. You are welcome to join us at the get- together and need not be a member of the TCA to attend. Our meet guidelines include no cameras or requests for copies. The organizers of our group inlclude Ron Antonelli, Todd Wagner, Matt Gibbons, Harry Rado and Joe Mania. The link to our group is below: [URL=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToyTrainPaperMemorabilia/%5d http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToyTrainPaperMemorabilia/%5b/URL] Why not come along for the ride? Mike Spanier List Owner Moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50960	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville

Fred's Train Parts should be there - he carries Plasticville parts plus. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: slipswitch@... Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:49:49 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville Does anyone know if there will be a Plasticville dealer at S Fest? I am looking for some pieces for my very '50-ish layout. I prefer the original items to the current Chinese production, and I prefer purchasing in person to purching over the internet. My local TCA meet can be hit or miss on these items. Thanks. John **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50961	From: smokestacklightnin	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: 312 stops dead in it's tracks

(sorry for the pun) I have recently unboxed my dad's old train set. My 312 loco was running fine, but now I find that it stops at differnt places on the track after running very short distances. If I pick the loco up and manually spin the motor, I find that there is a dificult part, that if I spin the motor through I can get the train to run again (for a short time). The spot at which the "stickiness" occurs seems random, i.e. sometimes the train runs for a foot or two, some times several feet. If I spin the motor manually, I hit the sticky part after 10 or so revolutions, and sometimes after 40-50...seems random. The drive gears seem lubed. Is there something else I should be looking at/try? Thanks, AJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50962	From: gacesatg	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: SIT Wicks

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jeff silvera <afjeff_56@...> wrote: > >  I use a little bit of mustache wax on the end of the wick. Just make it pointed with the wax, stick it through the holes till you get it where you want it then cut the waxed tips off... > I find smoke units to be quite fun! >   >                                                        Good Luck, Jeff S...... >                             > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > For more smoke drill out the holes in the smoke chamber, about 1/8 inch. wick will than suck up more fluid. I also wrap the ends of my smoke wicks with one wrap of scotch tape,it's easy to thread this way. just be sure to cut off taped ends. For even more smoke, use your VOM. and cut the ohms down to about12 to 15. This combo realy puts out the smoke Tom G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50963	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: eBay & PayPal

Way back when PayPal started, I had several problems with them screwing up my account and over charging. So for years I wouldn't go near them. Then a couple of years ago, my wife started dealing with them and they have been excellent to use with no problems since then. And as far as eBay going PayPal exclusive, it makes little difference to buyers. But it will only make sense to a seller if it brings in a LOT of new business to offset the additional charges (twice regular credit card fees). On the other hand, my experiance with eBay has remained up and down. When I had problems it wasn't with eBay per se, it was sellers. My gripe is that eBay seem to make little attempt to police the sellers. As has been pointed out, there are some people who need watching or even "run out of town on a rail" who are still doing business there. Leaving feedback is pretty much a useless waste of time. Yet eBay sometinmes becomes insistant about wanting you to do it, despite the fact they pay no attention to it. As with any kind of auction, it definately "BUYER BEWARE!" If you're on there long enough, you'll figure out who over charges, lies about condition, and has their friends around the country "shill" up the price for them. Occassionally, eBay will toss somebody off, but they have to be so obviously crooked that they might as well come to your house with a mask and a gun! The problem is that these same folks just come up with a new web identity and they're back in action a few days later. Then it takes weeks or months to figure out "there's a new thief in town." EBay can be a valuable tool for the collector and the kit basher alike, but it's too bad it's not what it could or should be. Because of this, I have cut WAY back on my use of it. Stumpy Stone...being careful in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50964	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay I STAND CORRECTED

OK to be fair I went back & you are right. Here is the question answered by the tax guy, Ken Swab... But I still think there is something wrong. _Ken Swab_ (http://www.paypal.com/) _August 18th, 2008 at 9:45 am_ (https://www.thepaypalblog.com/2008/08/proposed-irs-reporting-requirements-become-law/#comment-3982) Andy, PayPal will be reporting the total payment volume for accounts that receive over $20,000 and receive more than 200 payments per year. A business receiving $15,000 in payments per year would not meet the requirements of the legislation. Please see my update to the post above for more clarity on the rest of your questions. In a message dated 11/13/2008 6:20:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, piccu56@... writes: NO, no no. The E-Bay tax specialist emphatically specified $20,000 AND 200 transactions, not one or the other, its BOTH. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , anormal1@... wrote: > > Also it is $20,000 or 200 transactions. Mike > > > In a message dated 11/12/2008 7:29:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > raleigh15@.. raleigh1 > > > > > and he notes - > > The $600 figure per year was dropped and it is not eBay who sends the > 1099 but PayPal beginning in 2012 for sales in 2011 per Ken Swab, > PayPal Senior Government Relations Officer. The link below leads to his post: > > <__http://answercenterhttp://answercehttp://answehttp://anhttp&_ (http://answercenterhttp//anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an&) <WBR>for um&<WBR> > st_ > (_http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answe_ (http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?) threadID=900148041&<WBR>forum&<WBR>start=0) > >__http://answercenterhttp://answercehttp://answehttp://anhttp&_ (http://answercenterhttp//anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an&) <WBR>for um&<WBR>st_ > (_http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answe_ (http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?) threadID=900148041&<WBR>forum&<WBR>start=0) > > No doubt other online payment processors will have to do the same. > But it does look like taxing internet sales is in the works. > > Raleigh in chilly Maine > > At 04:32 PM 11/12/2008, _HOwingsiii@ At 04:32 PM 11/12/2 At 0 > wrote: > > >But I heard that would only be good through the end of the year. Starting > >Jan. 1, 2009 all those that sell on ebay and sell more than $600 per > >year will > >be issued a 1099. > >**********************<WBR>****<WBR>*Get movies delivered to mailbox. One > >blockbuster.blo > > (<__http://pr.atwola.http://pr.http://prhttp://pr.atwolhttp://pr.atwola_ (http://pr.atwola.http//pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp:) //pr.ht > _tp://pr.athttp:tp://pr.athttp://pr.athtp://pr.athttptp://pr.at_ (tp://pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.ahttp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_) > (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?) redir=_https://www.https://_ (https://www.blockbus/) > ter.com/signup/ ter.com/s ter.com/sig > >__http://pr.atwola.http://pr.http://prhttp://pr.atwolhttp://pr.atwolah_ (http://pr.atwola.http//pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp:/) /_pr.http://pr.pr.http:/pr.http://pr.http:_ (pr.http://pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.aht) > _tp://pr.atwohttp:tp://pr.at_ (tp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_) > (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?) redir=_https://www.https://www.https://wwwhttps://www.<Whttps:_ (https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.emai) > l_footer) ) > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes news & > more! (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?) redir=htt > _p://toolbar.p://toolbar.<WBRp://toolbarp://t_ (file:///p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?) ncid=emlcntusdown00ncid=em > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50965	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: 312 stops dead in it's tracks

Sounds like your wheels are slipping on the axles and going out of quarter. Then the connecting rod jams the wheels. Spin the motor to where it stops and see if the side rods and linkage look good. If you take apart the linkage get specific instructions on re-assembly, Several parts need to be offset 90 degrees from the left side to the right side of the engine. Tom -----Original Message----- From: smokestacklightnin <ajjohnson.pdx@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 1:05 pm Subject: [S-Trains] 312 stops dead in it's tracks (sorry for the pun) I have recently unboxed my dad's old train set. My 312 loco was running fine, but now I find that it stops at different places on the track after running very short distances. If I pick the loco up and manually spin the motor, I find that there is a difficult part, that if I spin the motor through I can get the train to run again (for a short time). The spot at which the "stickiness" occurs seems random, i.e. sometimes the train runs for a foot or two, some times several feet. If I spin the motor manually, I hit the sticky part after 10 or so revolutions, and sometimes after 40-50...seems random. The drive gears seem lubed. Is there something else I should be looking at/try? Thanks, AJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50966	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville

HI I am going to S-Fest have several large boxes of plasticville what are you looking for . Live in Lockport IL Tom -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Madden <nasgdispatch@...> To: Trains S <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 3:48 pm Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville Fred's Train Parts should be there - he carries Plasticville parts plus. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: slipswitch@... Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:49:49 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville Does anyone know if there will be a Plasticville dealer at S Fest? I am looking for some pieces for my very '50-ish layout. I prefer the original items to the current Chinese production, and I prefer purchasing in person to purching over the internet. My local TCA meet can be hit or miss on these items. Thanks. John **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?r edir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50967	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

So if I do $3,000,000 in sales thru PayPal & did it in 50 or so sales they won't 1099 me? I find that hard to believe. Mike In a message dated 11/13/2008 6:20:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, piccu56@... writes: NO, no no. The E-Bay tax specialist emphatically specified $20,000 AND 200 transactions, not one or the other, its BOTH. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , anormal1@... wrote: > > Also it is $20,000 or 200 transactions. Mike > > > In a message dated 11/12/2008 7:29:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > raleigh15@.. raleigh1 > > > > > and he notes - > > The $600 figure per year was dropped and it is not eBay who sends the > 1099 but PayPal beginning in 2012 for sales in 2011 per Ken Swab, > PayPal Senior Government Relations Officer. The link below leads to his post: > > <__http://answercenterhttp://answercehttp://answehttp://anhttp&_ (http://answercenterhttp//anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an&) <WBR>for um&<WBR> > st_ > (_http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answe_ (http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?) threadID=900148041&<WBR>forum&<WBR>start=0) > >__http://answercenterhttp://answercehttp://answehttp://anhttp&_ (http://answercenterhttp//anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an&) <WBR>for um&<WBR>st_ > (_http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answe_ (http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?) threadID=900148041&<WBR>forum&<WBR>start=0) > > No doubt other online payment processors will have to do the same. > But it does look like taxing internet sales is in the works. > > Raleigh in chilly Maine > > At 04:32 PM 11/12/2008, _HOwingsiii@ At 04:32 PM 11/12/2 At 0 > wrote: > > >But I heard that would only be good through the end of the year. Starting > >Jan. 1, 2009 all those that sell on ebay and sell more than $600 per > >year will > >be issued a 1099. > >**********************<WBR>****<WBR>*Get movies delivered to mailbox. One > >blockbuster.blo > > (<__http://pr.atwola.http://pr.http://prhttp://pr.atwolhttp://pr.atwola_ (http://pr.atwola.http//pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp:) //pr.ht > _tp://pr.athttp:tp://pr.athttp://pr.athtp://pr.athttptp://pr.at_ (tp://pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.ahttp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_) > (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?) redir=_https://www.https://_ (https://www.blockbus/) > ter.com/signup/ ter.com/s ter.com/sig > >__http://pr.atwola.http://pr.http://prhttp://pr.atwolhttp://pr.atwolah_ (http://pr.atwola.http//pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp:/) /_pr.http://pr.pr.http:/pr.http://pr.http:_ (pr.http://pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.aht) > _tp://pr.atwohttp:tp://pr.at_ (tp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_) > (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?) redir=_https://www.https://www.https://wwwhttps://www.<Whttps:_ (https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.emai) > l_footer) ) > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes news & > more! (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?) redir=htt > _p://toolbar.p://toolbar.<WBRp://toolbarp://t_ (file:///p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?) ncid=emlcntusdown00ncid=em > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50968	From: al paolozzi	Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea

Thanks, got a pic of it like you said. Look real cool to build around. Will watch for them at Wally world.----- Original Message ----- From: AZTECFAN To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Mels Drive In kit bashing idea See picture of Mel's drive in a $9 car scene from the leaders in S sales Wal Mart. We need to add 1/64 collectors to our group and grow. There are millions of them. The 3 figures are worth the price plus you get a building and a car. What a deal. I'll see if I can design a complete building from this front. Jim Sleeth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50969	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: 312 stops dead in it's tracks

Sounds like you may have a wheel slipping on the axle and causing a quartering bind. Maybe (but not too likely) a tooth is chipped on the axle gear or the smoke piston gear. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 11/13/2008 3:01:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ajjohnson.pdx@... writes: (sorry for the pun) I have recently unboxed my dad's old train set. My 312 loco was running fine, but now I find that it stops at differnt places on the track after running very short distances. If I pick the loco up and manually spin the motor, I find that there is a dificult part, that if I spin the motor through I can get the train to run again (for a short time). The spot at which the "stickiness" occurs seems random, i.e. sometimes the train runs for a foot or two, some times several feet. If I spin the motor manually, I hit the sticky part after 10 or so revolutions, and sometimes after 40-50...seems random. The drive gears seem lubed. Is there something else I should be looking at/try? Thanks, AJ **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50971	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Scale Wheel sets for trade

Hi All, I have 8 sets of 4 axles each of S Helper SCALE wheels. I am looking for someone to trade an equal amout of Hi-Rail wheel sets with. Reply off list to manderman@... Thanks Mark Anderman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50972	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Fw: Layout update

The below email I got today is from a non train friend in CA. He is about 57. This shows you that there is still a interest in model railroading no matter what the scale. This interest comes from us talking about the hobby and the manufacturers doing marketing in non train media, whether magazines, newspapers, etc. There is a interest, but without marketing of any product, it dies in time. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: 'Michael and Linda Marmer' Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:47 PM Subject: RE: Layout update Mike, Whenever you send layout updates can you please make the last picture an overall view of the ENTIRE LAYOUT? I'm fascinated by this. thanks! Your friend, Steve Steve Steve 916 From: Michael and Linda Marmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Layout update I finished the grass mat where the Frosty Bar and two stores are. I put down a very thick weeded grass mat where the water tower is and will continue on the border of the track. Lights are in all buildings, as Mike Strickland told me to use electric black tape to seal leaks of light, as the RR station is much better. I started to experiment with my smoke fluid funnels for a cross arm for the ball park lights. Can seem to get holes in the arm perfectly straight. However, they will be pointed downward to the field, so I do not think it will be too bad. Now I need to figure how to get the wires through the tubes. I have another use for the grain of wheat bulbs and funnels, lights for billboards. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50973	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Scale Wheel sets for trade

Dear Mark, If you pay the shipping, we can send some back to you. Best, Don On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:11 PM, Manderman@... wrote: > Hi All, > > I have 8 sets of 4 axles each of S Helper SCALE wheels. I am looking > for someone to trade an equal amout of Hi-Rail wheel sets with. > > Reply off list to manderman@... > > Thanks > > Mark Anderman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50974	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Hugo's Brother

http://cgi.ebay.com/MARX-1950S-GAS-STATION-SERVICE-ATTENDANTS-WORKERS-D_W0QQitemZ250188866590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZToy_Soldiers?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 I found Hugo's long lost brother on ebay. The one that looks like a police man! I think his name is Torgo. He starred in a dreadful movie, "Manos, Hands of Fate". Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50975	From: piccu56	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Thats what the E-Bay tax specialist said. Whats so hard to believe?? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > So if I do $3,000,000 in sales thru PayPal & did it in 50 or so sales they > won't 1099 me? I find that hard to believe. Mike > > > In a message dated 11/13/2008 6:20:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > piccu56@... writes: > > > > > NO, no no. The E-Bay tax specialist emphatically specified $20,000 > AND 200 transactions, not one or the other, its BOTH. > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S- Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > anormal1@ wrote: > > > > Also it is $20,000 or 200 transactions. Mike > > > > > > In a message dated 11/12/2008 7:29:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > raleigh15@ raleigh1 > > > > > > > > > > and he notes - > > > > The $600 figure per year was dropped and it is not eBay who sends > the > > 1099 but PayPal beginning in 2012 for sales in 2011 per Ken Swab, > > PayPal Senior Government Relations Officer. The link below leads > to his post: > > > > > <__http://answercenterhttp://answercehttp://answehttp://anhttp&_ > (http://answercenterhttp//anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an&) <WBR>for > um&<WBR> > > st_ > > (_http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answe_ > (http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?) > threadID=900148041&<WBR>forum&<WBR>start=0) > > > >__http://answercenterhttp://answercehttp://answehttp://anhttp&_ > (http://answercenterhttp//anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an&) <WBR>for > um&<WBR>st_ > > (_http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answe_ > (http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?) > threadID=900148041&<WBR>forum&<WBR>start=0) > > > > No doubt other online payment processors will have to do the same. > > But it does look like taxing internet sales is in the works. > > > > Raleigh in chilly Maine > > > > At 04:32 PM 11/12/2008, _HOwingsiii@ At 04:32 PM 11/12/2 At 0 > > wrote: > > > > >But I heard that would only be good through the end of the year. > Starting > > >Jan. 1, 2009 all those that sell on ebay and sell more than $600 > per > > >year will > > >be issued a 1099. > > >**********************<WBR>****<WBR>*Get movies delivered to > mailbox. One > > >blockbuster.blo > > > > (<__http://pr.atwola.http://pr.http://prhttp://pr.atwolhttp://pr.atwol a_ > (http://pr.atwola.http//pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp:) > //pr.ht > > _tp://pr.athttp:tp://pr.athttp://pr.athtp://pr.athttptp://pr.at_ > (tp://pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.ahttp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_) > > (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp_ > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?) > redir=_https://www.https://_ (https://www.blockbus/) > > ter.com/signup/ ter.com/s ter.com/sig > > > >__http://pr.atwola.http://pr.http://prhttp://pr.atwolhttp://pr.atwola h_ > (http://pr.atwola.http//pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp:/) > /_pr.http://pr.pr.http:/pr.http://pr.http:_ > (pr.http://pr.athttp://pr.athttp://pr.aht) > > _tp://pr.atwohttp:tp://pr.at_ (tp://pr.atwohttp://pr.atwo_) > > (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp_ > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?) > redir=_https://www.https://www.https://wwwhttps://www.<Whttps:_ > (https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.emai) > > l_footer) ) > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes > news & > > more! > (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp_ > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?) > redir=htt > > _p://toolbar.p://toolbar.<WBRp://toolbarp://t_ > (file:///p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?) > ncid=emlcntusdown00ncid=em > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol? redir=htt > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html? ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50976	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Hugo's Brother

Dear Mike, Torgo is very tall. Don On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:58 AM, MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote: > I found Hugo's long lost brother on ebay. > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50977	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Keystone Train Meet

Just got off of the phone with SANTA, he fully intends to be at St Philip's RCC, PA Rts 741 & 999 (Millersville, PA) tomorrow, Saturday the 15th of November. This is a TCA Divisional meet, opens to TCA members at 9 AM ($ 4.00 at door), Public at 10 AM ($ 5.00 at door). Show closes around 1 PM. Children can have pictures with Santa FREE as long as the film lasts, there will be toy train races, LOTS of trains for sale, LOTS of GOOD FOOD by the Church's Men's Sunday School Class. Frequent DOOR PRIZES will be announced by TCA'S NEW National Vice President/MC Paul Edgar. Did I mention the FREE Parking???? Yepper, LOTS of that, too. Jim Lyle **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50978	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee-- schedule

Is there a schedule of clinics available in advance.  Sure would like seeing one. --- On Thu, 11/13/08, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:19 PM --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@ ...> wrote: > > Anyone going to S-Fest in Milwaukee this coming week-end? > From the responses it looks like quite a few are going to S-Fest. See you there. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50979	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Keystone Train Meet

any TCA  meets scheduled for Midwest,  Illinois,   Wisconsin,  Indiana  area? --- On Fri, 11/14/08, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Keystone Train Meet To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com, Plasticville@yahoogroups.com, s-trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Beeepers15@..., trains@..., boo@..., rontrain@..., dnettling@..., PennStateRay@..., Keithstrains@..., JASTRAINS@... Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:09 AM Just got off of the phone with SANTA, he fully intends to be at St Philip's RCC, PA Rts 741 & 999 (Millersville, PA) tomorrow, Saturday the 15th of November. This is a TCA Divisional meet, opens to TCA members at 9 AM ($ 4.00 at door), Public at 10 AM ($ 5.00 at door). Show closes around 1 PM. Children can have pictures with Santa FREE as long as the film lasts, there will be toy train races, LOTS of trains for sale, LOTS of GOOD FOOD by the Church's Men's Sunday School Class. Frequent DOOR PRIZES will be announced by TCA'S NEW National Vice President/MC Paul Edgar. Did I mention the FREE Parking???? Yepper, LOTS of that, too. Jim Lyle ************ **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola com/promoclk/ 100000075x121277 4565x1200812037/ aol?redir= htt p://toolbar. aol.com/moviefon e/download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000 0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50980	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Run DC from your AF transformer

can not access your message board. but it sounds nice.  what is shipping to 60085? --- On Wed, 11/12/08, AZTECFAN <aztecfan@...> wrote: From: AZTECFAN <aztecfan@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Run DC from your AF transformer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 4:35 PM http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/S-Trains/ photos/album/ 648781057/ pic/list; jsessionid= CD7E8BEA0ABE58A7 1CC698B8379300FA . MRC Tech ll out put DC 2.5 Amp. Has Automatic Pulse, Brake Switch, Reverse loop Direction Switch. Operation lights. Have 3 $20 each plus shipping. Jim Sleeth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50981	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Scale Wheel sets for trade

Don, Thank you very much for your offer. It is great to know that you would do that. Just another example of the fine service you guys provide. However, I did find someone to trade with. Thank you for taking the time to respond to me. Next weekend Jim Ingram and I will be participating in a local Pre Holiday display of trains here in our fair city of Williamsport, PA. S- Helper will be well represented with most of the track being S-Helper and I plan to show off my 2-8-0 Western Maryland. Lots of S-Helper mixed in with classic flyer too. Perhaps we can video tape it and send you a peek. Thanks again. Mark Anderman -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Don Thompson <don@...> > Dear Mark, > If you pay the shipping, we can send some back to you. > Best, > Don > > On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:11 PM, Manderman@... wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I have 8 sets of 4 axles each of S Helper SCALE wheels. I am looking > > for someone to trade an equal amout of Hi-Rail wheel sets with. > > > > Reply off list to manderman@... > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark Anderman > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50982	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: The Economy

Today on the news, they had a interview with a economic person, talking, as we all know that retail sales are down everywhere. But in the examples of type of businesses, this person read off a list of types of businesses and hobby shops was mentioned right along with car makers. However, since I started my layout a year ago, I have lost track of how many dollars I have spent on train items. Sooooooo, my solutions to get the economy back on track, no pun intended, is to have everyone in the global economy start to build train layouts. Then think of all the industries that are will expand, as we all start to build our own little towns. Think of all the products that make train products, for example, metals, plastics, labor, shipping, paper, etc. That will get it going. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50983	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

First of all, Swab is not a tax expert, he is a "senior federal government relations officer at PayPal." Secondly, his statement was not exactly clear. What he said was: Under the legislation, PayPal will be required to report to the IRS the total payment volume received by PayPal customers in the U.S. who: 1. receive more than $20,000 in payment volume in a single year; and 2. receive more than 200 payments in a single year. This statement, as it goes is capable of two interpretations. Either he is saying that both 1 and 2 are required in order for reporting to be triggered, as many have interpreted, or he is saying that EBay is required to report payment for both categories 1 *and* 2. He should added the word "either" or "both" to make things clearer. I tried to look up the legislation itself to see what it actually says, but I could find no references in the text of the bill itself to either $20,000 or 200 payments. It is possibly in the implementing regulations. How this gets into a Housing and Economic recovery bill is a bit strange, but we all heard the stuff that got added to this bill in order to get it passed. Dale Smith piccu56 wrote: > > Thats what the E-Bay tax specialist said. Whats so hard to believe?? > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > anormal1@... wrote: > > > > So if I do $3,000,000 in sales thru PayPal & did it in 50 or so > sales they > > won't 1099 me? I find that hard to believe. Mike > > > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2008 6:20:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > piccu56@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > NO, no no. The E-Bay tax specialist emphatically specified $20,000 > > AND 200 transactions, not one or the other, its BOTH. > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S- > Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Trains%40yahoogroups.com>) , > > anormal1@ wrote: > > > > > > Also it is $20,000 or 200 transactions. Mike > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/12/2008 7:29:18 P.M. Pacific Standard > Time, > > > raleigh15@ raleigh1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he notes - > > > > > > The $600 figure per year was dropped and it is not eBay who > sends > > the > > > 1099 but PayPal beginning in 2012 for sales in 2011 per Ken > Swab, > > > PayPal Senior Government Relations Officer. The link below leads > > to his post: > > > > > > > > <__http://answercenterhttp://answercehttp://answehttp://anhttp&_ > <http://answercenterhttp://answercehttp://answehttp://anhttp&_> > > (http://answercenterhttp//anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an& > <http://answercenterhttp//anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an&>) > <WBR>for > > um&<WBR> > > > st_ > > > (_http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answe_ > <http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answe_> > > (http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa? > <http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?>) > > threadID=900148041&<WBR>forum&<WBR>start=0) > > > > > >__http://answercenterhttp://answercehttp://answehttp://anhttp&_ > <http://answercenterhttp://answercehttp://answehttp://anhttp&_> > > (http://answercenterhttp//anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an& > <http://answercenterhttp//anshttp://answehttp://anhttp://an&>) > <WBR>for > > um&<WBR>st_ > > > (_http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answe_ > <http://answercenterhttp://anshttp://answe_> > > (http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa? > <http://answercenter.ebay.com/thread.jspa?>) > > threadID=900148041&<WBR>forum&<WBR>start=0) > > > > > > No doubt other online payment processors will have to do the > same. > > > But it does look like taxing internet sales is in the works. > > > > > > Raleigh in chilly Maine > > > > > > At 04:32 PM 11/12/2008, _HOwingsiii@ At 04:32 PM 11/12/2 At 0 > > > wrote: > > > > > > >But I heard that would only be good through the end of the > year. > > Starting > > > >Jan. 1, 2009 all those that sell on ebay and sell more than > $600 > > per > > > >year will > > > >be issued a 1099. > > > >**********************<WBR>****<WBR>*Get movies delivered to > > mailbox. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50984	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee

atta boy al. --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote: From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 10:01 PM I will be there, all the way from Portland, OR !! Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@ ...> wrote: > > Anyone going to S-Fest in Milwaukee this coming week-end? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50985	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

In a message dated 11/14/2008 8:21:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, piccu56@... writes: But it does look like taxing internet sales is in the works. > > WHO thought it wasn't??? Country is broke, busted, etc. Jim Lyle **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50986	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Highball Products

Has anyone ever used any "dirt" products from Highball Products. I am thinking of trying this product to have dirt along the ballast of my track, then having grass further out. Plus to use it in the industrial areas. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50987	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Stepdown Transformers

Hi All: It seems as though I have been collecting stepdown transformers for all sorts of electrical equipment (phones and cell phones, answering machines, printers, computer equipment/accessories, cameras, etc., etc., etc.) and they have been collecting on my desk! Well, upon cleaning them up, I have one from "Lionel" with the following information printed on it: Class 2 Transformer Model: AC120100 Lionel SA35-429A Use only with BASE-1 Input: 120 VAC 60Hz 3W Output: 12 VAC 100 mA and the usual Made in China Does anyone know what this could be used for? I have purchased a lionel engine (2-8-2??) in the recent past, but the box hasn't even been opened - so any suggestions for what this might be used for or which equipment it comes with would be appreciated??? Thanks for any info - I will also try to find out from the internet (and the Lionel website) as to what it is used for, but these types of transformers are ubiquitous and collect like dustballs. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Oh yes, since it is for 120 VAC, it has a usual US type plug rather than a European plug (something else I have to struggle with).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50988	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/16/2008, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 16, 2008 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3 Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50989	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Stepdown Transformers

Rance, It is for the base unit on the Lionel Trainmaster Command Control system(TMCC). You must have bought one to run the 2-8-2. They do run so much better on TMCC then in conventional mode. Hope this helps. Lou Templeton Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:31 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Stepdown Transformers Hi All: It seems as though I have been collecting stepdown transformers for all sorts of electrical equipment (phones and cell phones, answering machines, printers, computer equipment/accessories, cameras, etc., etc., etc.) and they have been collecting on my desk! Well, upon cleaning them up, I have one from "Lionel" with the following information printed on it: Class 2 Transformer Model: AC120100 Lionel SA35-429A Use only with BASE-1 Input: 120 VAC 60Hz 3W Output: 12 VAC 100 mA and the usual Made in China Does anyone know what this could be used for? I have purchased a lionel engine (2-8-2??) in the recent past, but the box hasn't even been opened - so any suggestions for what this might be used for or which equipment it comes with would be appreciated??? Thanks for any info - I will also try to find out from the internet (and the Lionel website) as to what it is used for, but these types of transformers are ubiquitous and collect like dustballs. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Oh yes, since it is for 120 VAC, it has a usual US type plug rather than a European plug (something else I have to struggle with). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50990	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: blatant ad

Missouri Pacific Eagle add-ons for sale: 6-48914 Eagle Spirit coach, LN, OB-$130/offer; 6-48118 Railsounds B unit- OB, all paperwork plus the sound activation button, LN tested, works/sounds great-$175/offer. Pay asking price on either and shipping is free-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50991	From: G C	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: The Economy

Mike and all, It would be interesting to see how train oriented shops are doing compared to more general hobby type stores. The American Hobby store closed recently here in Hanover, PA, but Mainline Hobby in Blue Ridge Summit seems to be doing well. They always have other customers when I go in. Mitchell's in Newark, DE closed recently. I'm not aware of the reason. They were very popular for a long time. Wal Mart and other "big box" stores have cut into a lot of small business for some time. That combined with the current economic woes spells lots of problems for the little guy. I'm not knocking Wal Mart as I understand a lot of folks go there with the thought of saving money. As I understand it, the largest problem a small hobby shop owner faces is their ability to deal with inventory. If it sits on the shelf, they loose money. Makes sense! Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50992	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Highball Products

Hi Mike,   **************** Has anyone ever used any "dirt" products from Highball Products. I am thinking of trying this product to have dirt along the ballast of my track, then having grass further out. *****************   I have tried everything from colored sawdust to real dirt. Real dirt wroks "best" if it cleaned and any little critters taken car of. In the event you really don't want to dig around in the back yard for scenic material, my second choice is ground foam from any of the different manufacturers. I like Woodland Scenics myself.   Nick Kulp   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50993	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Highball Products

Mike, Have you tried sanding cardboard for dirt? Mike In a message dated 11/15/2008 2:37:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Has anyone ever used any "dirt" products from Highball Products. I am thinking of trying this product to have dirt along the ballast of my track, then having grass further out. Plus to use it in the industrial areas. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50994	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Scale Wheel sets for trade

Dear Mark, When we introduced our 2 bay PS2 covered hoppers in the 90's, offering both sets of wheels was thought as a mistake by some of our fellow S mfgs due to the added cost t our product. Our reason was to make hobby shop sales easier as they would not have to double inventory the same items for "scale" and "hi-rail". Later we found that trading of our code 110 wheels for AF comp among S gaugers had become very common. Someone once remarked to us that we had figured out how to get AF and Scale guys to talk to each other. I have always cherished that remark. Best, Don > Don, > > ....However, I did find someone to trade with. > > Mark Anderman. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50995	From: piccu56	Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

AND is synonymous with BOTH. Its quite clear what he meant. He also clarified it in the blog with this reponse: Ken Swab August 8th, 2008 at 1:08 pm Dorothy, Yes, merchants must meet both requirements of the legislation before PayPal will need to report total payment volume to the IRS. Note the word BOTH. There is also supposed to be another twist, its supposed to only apply to credit card payments, which makes it even harder to reach the thresholds given. The Wall Street Journal says the same thing. (Note there is a correction to the dollar amount at the end of the article.) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121737220325394931.html? mod=moj_columnists#articleTabs%3Darticle --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > First of all, Swab is not a tax expert, he is a "senior federal > government relations officer at PayPal." > > Secondly, his statement was not exactly clear. What he said was: > > Under the legislation, PayPal will be required to report to the IRS the > total payment volume received by PayPal customers in the U.S. who: > > 1. receive more than $20,000 in payment volume in a single year; and > 2. receive more than 200 payments in a single year. > > This statement, as it goes is capable of two interpretations. Either he > is saying that both 1 and 2 are required in order for reporting to be > triggered, as many have interpreted, or he is saying that EBay is > required to report payment for both categories 1 *and* 2. He should > added the word "either" or "both" to make things clearer. > > I tried to look up the legislation itself to see what it actually says, > but I could find no references in the text of the bill itself to either > $20,000 or 200 payments. It is possibly in the implementing > regulations. How this gets into a Housing and Economic recovery bill > is a bit strange, but we all heard the stuff that got added to this bill > in order to get it passed. > > Dale Smith > > piccu56 wrote: > > > > Thats what the E-Bay tax specialist said. Whats so hard to believe?? > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > anormal1@ wrote: > > > > > > So if I do $3,000,000 in sales thru PayPal & did it in 50 or so > > sales they > > > won't 1099 me? I find that hard to believe. Mike > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2008 6:20:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > > piccu56@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NO, no no. The E-Bay tax specialist emphatically specified $20,000 > > > AND 200 transactions, not one or the other, its BOTH. > > > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S- > > Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Trains%40yahoogroups.com>) , > > > anormal1@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Also it is $20,000 or 200 transactions. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 50996	From: Al	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Needed: damaged or broken Flyonel boxcar for kitbash project

Hi Guys, I'm in need of a Flyonel boxcar (from years 1995 to 2008) that has been damaged or broken in some way and you don't feel like trying to repair it. The trucks must not be damaged. I need one for a kit bash project. Please send me an Email with a picture and describe what is wrong with it and what you want for it. I'll pay for shipping. Thanks, Al Rawdon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50997	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: Stepdown Transformers

Hi Lou: Thanks for comments. I sort of thought that might be the case. However, the odd part is that I haven't even opened the box it came in (usually I buy something, have it sent to my son's house in the States, and then pick it up and bring it back here after a visit to the States). Oh well, another mystery - must really be getting old! regards, Rance Lou &Lois Templeton wrote: > > Rance, > It is for the base unit on the Lionel Trainmaster Command Control > system(TMCC). You must have bought one to run the 2-8-2. They do run > so much better on TMCC then in conventional mode. Hope this helps. > Lou Templeton Original Message ----- > From: Rance and Bente > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:31 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Stepdown Transformers > > Hi All: > It seems as though I have been collecting stepdown transformers for all > sorts of electrical equipment (phones and cell phones, answering > machines, printers, computer equipment/accessories, cameras, etc., etc., > etc.) and they have been collecting on my desk! Well, upon cleaning > them up, I have one from "Lionel" with the following information printed > on it: > Class 2 Transformer > Model: AC120100 > Lionel SA35-429A > Use only with BASE-1 > Input: 120 VAC 60Hz 3W > Output: 12 VAC 100 mA > and the usual Made in China > Does anyone know what this could be used for? I have purchased a lionel > engine (2-8-2??) in the recent past, but the box hasn't even been opened > - so any suggestions for what this might be used for or which equipment > it comes with would be appreciated??? Thanks for any info - I will also > try to find out from the internet (and the Lionel website) as to what it > is used for, but these types of transformers are ubiquitous and collect > like dustballs. > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > Oh yes, since it is for 120 VAC, it has a usual US type plug rather than > a European plug (something else I have to struggle with). > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50998	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: the economy: hobby shops AND internet sales taxes

Almost regardless of the level of gross sales, especially typical small retail businesses are highly susceptible to losses due to their increased overhead. Inventory purchases, rent or mortgage, taxes, energy & insurance often combine to make profitability very hard or impossible to attain. Notwithstanding the lack of personal interaction, Internet commerce is substantially and increasingly replacing actual retail stores. In those states and municipalities, sales tax revenues can be hit hard. Add to that the indigenous fiscal waste of typical government agencies & you've got almost certain inevitability of an internet sales or consumption tax. It's a relatively new, very ripe pocket for the bagmen to exploit. One of my recent transactions demonstrates the on-going change. I recently accidentally 'King Konged' some tracks while working on the layout & needed four O54 (I'm sort of an interloper in this group: the layout's all O gauge but I run plenty of AF 3/16s O) curved sections. Since only 1 of 4 lines were affected, it wasn't a 'hobby emergency'. For various reasons I'm increasingly disliking driving, so for use in NYC, via the internet & PayPal, I purchased the tracks from what I presume is an acutal hobby shop in Iowa: Majestic Comics. They're a Lionel dealer, so I presume that they also handle S. The box was received via priority mail a few days later: properly packed & undamaged. I'd heavily bet that the reasonable mailing cost that I was charged at least nominally equals the combined costs of using my car, which includes feeding parking meters at the local stores that would have been my alternative sources. About our not-so-greenbacks: I recommend that you listen to "Eddie Cantor's Tips On The Stock Market". He recorded this monologue at Victor's studios in NYC on October 29, 1929. It's rather clearly reproduced at http://www.gather.com/viewVideo.jsp?id=11821949021871373&grpId=3659174697239500&nav=Groupspace Some of it of course is outdated even in my time-warped existence, but most of the some 144 seconds is still eerily relevant. My favorite line is about his uncle, but I'll not steal Eddie's thunder & refrain from quoting it here. Best, Shiffy now trainsn78s on Yahoo, which hosts my website www.shifrin.net and folks, NEVUH send email to my Yahoo address, I don't check it. Use trains@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 50999	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: The Economy

In our area, the five hobby shops (down from seven)have changed over the years from "full coverage" types to specific product types. The closest to the "carry everything" store is Deluxe, which has gravitated to being more of a toy store. Fulton's has given up everything but Radio Control planes and cars. Patrick's does only trains, O three rail and some HO. TK has gone only trains, O three rail and G with a smattering of HO. And my own G & M is only trains now, O three rail and scale, S Hi-rail and scale, HO, and a little N scale. Each of the three train only shops carry scenery, structures, and vehicles too of course. Of the five shops, Fulton's and G & M have given the best customer service by far for as long as they have been in business. The other three are supported by other sources of revenue, the two other train shops are run strictly as tax right offs. WalMart has sucked the life out of area small businesses, and what they didn't take, Lowe's (a subsidiary of WalMart) have snatched up. It is true that many people shop WalMart for prices, but it is also true that in areas of small towns WalMart wipes out the competition and leaves you with no other choice. It's an effective strategy. For hobby shops, the pressure has been on for several years, and they are dropping like flies. According to Hobby Retailer, an industry magazine hundreds have gone under since 2005! We lost two locally,nearby Steubenville lost both their shops in the past few years and Pittsburgh lost two this year alone. For belt tightening, we're near the last hole in the hobby shop business. Stumpy Stone...concerned in eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51000	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: STRESS!

I don't know how many of you caught the story on the NBC Nightly News the other night about stress in these times causing health problems, but I'm here to tell you stress is a real problem. I survived two heart attacks caused by stress alone, no blockages, in 1997. My job and my life style had caught up to me, particularly my job working at a school. Occassional stress is no problem, in fact might actually be good for you in a limited way. This is me while announcing automobile races. Repetitive stress, day in and day out, is very destructive. That was me at the school. The subconcious worry of an endless problem beyond our control continually grates upon you mentally which can cause depression, and that is easy to understand. What isn't well understood is that this goes on to cause physical problems as well, often leading to high blood pressure and coronary deterioration, diabetes, and other long term health problems. Stress slows the successful treatment of all diseases, including cancer. Cancer patients with a good mental state often survive or at least live longer than those without. Now, what is my train related point? Simply that in toy and model trains, we have the opportunity to lose ourselves in a world which WE control! No matter how tough the economic situation gets, those little trains allow us a few hours or even minutes of relief from the "real world." The friendship of interacting with others is also very helpful, and that's where our S Trains group comes in. When you are under stress ANY relief is helpful! This is something to remember to get us throught tough times. Stumpy Stone...long time fighter of stress and area crazy man...in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51001	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: IRS

Not to start a new, on line thread, But, any item sold, any way, any place, that shows a profit, this is income, defined by the IRS. And the IRS wants it's share. Keep records, if you sell for a loss. Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Looking for a romantic getaway? Click now for amazing cruise deals. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2if5Vsre7QoAqlGCL1VtKcx7Z5ORF2BalTi6Y2ClIAqEbWr/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51002	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/16/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51003	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Economy

Stumpy did you know that LGB was taken over by Marklin, and there will be no more US trains made under the LGB Marklin name. They sold out lock stock.... LGB USA from what was said to me is done for. I would like to know what happened to all the dies to make the stuff, and why they didn't sell them to LGB USA. My friend who has a Hobby store told me this, and he was on the list for LGB as a seller for them. Some of it has to do with importing to the US, and Marklin is dropping that end of it. I would think some would go back to other gauges that they can pick up over here. Just like when Flyer went out, but that will take some time to have happen. Clayton S. D. Portland OR. --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:The Economy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 5:48 AM > In our area, the five hobby shops (down from seven)have > changed over > the years from "full coverage" types to specific > product types. The > closest to the "carry everything" store is > Deluxe, which has > gravitated to being more of a toy store. Fulton's has > given up > everything but Radio Control planes and cars. > Patrick's does only > trains, O three rail and some HO. TK has gone only > trains, O three > rail and G with a smattering of HO. And my own G & M > is only trains > now, O three rail and scale, S Hi-rail and scale, HO, and a > little N > scale. Each of the three train only shops carry scenery, > structures, > and vehicles too of course. > Of the five shops, Fulton's and G & M have given > the best customer > service by far for as long as they have been in business. > The other > three are supported by other sources of revenue, the two > other train > shops are run strictly as tax right offs. > WalMart has sucked the life out of area small businesses, > and what > they didn't take, Lowe's (a subsidiary of WalMart) > have snatched up. > It is true that many people shop WalMart for prices, but it > is also > true that in areas of small towns WalMart wipes out the > competition > and leaves you with no other choice. It's an effective > strategy. > For hobby shops, the pressure has been on for several > years, and they > are dropping like flies. According to Hobby Retailer, an > industry > magazine hundreds have gone under since 2005! We lost two > locally,nearby Steubenville lost both their shops in the > past few > years and Pittsburgh lost two this year alone. For belt > tightening, > we're near the last hole in the hobby shop business. > Stumpy Stone...concerned in eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51004	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: the economy: hobby shops AND internet sales taxes

Wow I had to pass that link on to a few friends, thanks! Clayton S. D. Portland OR. --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Art Shifrin <Goldens3@...> wrote: > From: Art Shifrin <Goldens3@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] the economy: hobby shops AND internet sales taxes > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 5:46 AM > Almost regardless of the level of gross sales, especially > typical small retail businesses are highly susceptible to > losses due to their increased overhead. Inventory > purchases, rent or mortgage, taxes, energy & insurance > often combine to make profitability very hard or impossible > to attain. > > Notwithstanding the lack of personal interaction, Internet > commerce is substantially and increasingly replacing actual > retail stores. In those states and municipalities, sales > tax revenues can be hit hard. Add to that the indigenous > fiscal waste of typical government agencies & you've > got almost certain inevitability of an internet sales or > consumption tax. It's a relatively new, very ripe > pocket for the bagmen to exploit. > > One of my recent transactions demonstrates the on-going > change. I recently accidentally 'King Konged' some > tracks while working on the layout & needed four O54 > (I'm sort of an interloper in this group: the > layout's all O gauge but I run plenty of AF 3/16s O) > curved sections. Since only 1 of 4 lines were affected, it > wasn't a 'hobby emergency'. For various reasons > I'm increasingly disliking driving, so for use in NYC, > via the internet & PayPal, I purchased the tracks from > what I presume is an acutal hobby shop in Iowa: Majestic > Comics. They're a Lionel dealer, so I presume that they > also handle S. The box was received via priority mail a few > days later: properly packed & undamaged. I'd > heavily bet that the reasonable mailing cost that I was > charged at least nominally equals the combined costs of > using my car, which includes feeding parking meters at the > local stores that would have been my alternative sources. > > About our not-so-greenbacks: I recommend that you listen to > "Eddie Cantor's Tips On The Stock Market". He > recorded this monologue at Victor's studios in NYC on > October 29, 1929. It's rather clearly reproduced at > http://www.gather.com/viewVideo.jsp?id=11821949021871373&grpId=3659174697239500&nav=Groupspace > Some of it of course is outdated even in my time-warped > existence, but most of the some 144 seconds is still eerily > relevant. My favorite line is about his uncle, but I'll > not steal Eddie's thunder & refrain from quoting it > here. > > Best, > Shiffy > now trainsn78s on Yahoo, which > hosts my website www.shifrin.net > > and folks, NEVUH send email to my Yahoo address, I > don't check it. Use trains@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51005	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: Factory built oil Refinery ? 130265689035

Andrew, how about a photo or link to one? Clayton S.D. Portland OR. --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Andrew <sgaugeandy@...> wrote: > From: Andrew <sgaugeandy@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Factory built oil Refinery ? 130265689035 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 6:22 AM > Hey , I purchesed this just for my layout on ebay . But the > guy who > sold it is right , it does look factory built , not > homemade . Can > anybody identify it ? Most all of it is wood except for the > piping . > It's missing some stuff and I can't find any > writing on it anywhere ? > Andy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51006	From: Scale S Only	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: the economy: hobby shops AND internet sales taxes

Hi Art and Gene -- As a former shop owner I have a couple of comments that your two notes have brought to mind: 1. The internet is changing the retail landscape. As travel to stores gets more costly and difficult from store closings, the internet is both the life blood of the remaining stores and the only good source for product for the consumer. 2. The store owner is up against a VERY tall wall. Between increasing overhead costs (rent, taxes, security, utilites, etc.) and the internet's largely untaxed sales, the shops that are not on the net will eventually lose. The only way to compete with non-tax sales is to have your own non-taxed cusomer base... 3. Taxing the net might level the playing field. I hope that if they decide to do it, that it is sooner rather than later when there are no more local stores... Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley (where the only hobby store for 100 miles is in trouble) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51007	From: Les Mavor	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Economy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > Mike and all, > > It would be interesting to see how train oriented shops are doing compared to more general hobby type stores. The American Hobby store closed recently here in Hanover, PA, but Mainline Hobby in Blue Ridge Summit seems to be doing well. They always have other customers when I go in. Mitchell's in Newark, DE closed recently. I'm not aware of the reason. They were very popular for a long time. > > Wal Mart and other "big box" stores have cut into a lot of small > business for some time. That combined with the current economic woes > spells lots of problems for the little guy. I'm not knocking Wal Mart > as I understand a lot of folks go there with the thought of saving > money. As I understand it, the largest problem a small hobby shop owner faces is their ability to deal with inventory. If it sits on the shelf, they loose money. Makes sense! > > Gene Cimino BLUE RIDGE HOBBIES is also a SceniKing dealer. This may not be directly resposible for their success, but it demonstrates the importance that serious model railroad suppliers give to to ensuring that their customers find what they need, and that is what makes a great and successful store. Les Mavor www.sceniking.com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51008	From: mikenguy9	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: transformer witha noise

Are or is a transformer suppost to make a moise? I went to S-Fest in Milwaukee and bought a 1 1/2 Flyer transformer and got it home amd pluged it in. I heard a noise, do not want to say grinding, but almost, and was wonedering what it was. any ideas? never heard any noiise before.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51009	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: STRESS!

Hi Stumpy,   I missed the Nightly news last night but I have found that watching it causes more stress than missing it so I chalk it up as a healthy choice.   I have also learned lately that trying to model in a strict, prototypical fashion can also lead to stress. I operate on several HO scale layouts. They are all beautiful masterpieces of scale model railroads. The operate prototypically with dispatchers, signals, and upwards of 15-20 people. One observation I have made is that the opsessions are more like going to work than enjoying a hobby. I have been "scolded" on several occasions by some "prototypical" operators at  these sessions that I am not following the "rules". I occasionally misunderstand a  dispatcher's orders, or enter a yard without first notifying the yard master (distances are a lot shorter on a model than real life). I have yet to kill anyone by these mistakes but it would seem like I have by the comments I got.   Lately, I have started to rebuild my HO scale layout but I have removed the upper section that was going to be another industrial district, and I have replaced it with plans for an American Flyer layout. The Flyer will be dedicated to the true purpose of toy trains, having fun. It will also provide me with a place to run the S-Guage American Flyers I have been putting up at Christmas for a few weeks. I noticed last year that I made a concious choice to run the Flyer layout very night before going to bed. It served to relax me and to remove any stress that happened during the day.   I've got a nice-sized collection from when I was a boy in the 1950's and Iwas fortunate enough to have a father that offered them to me after I had gotten married and started a family of my own. Recently, my daughter inherited her Godfather's collection when he passed away. She is special-needs and 29 years old, but she asked me if I could set them up this Christmas so she could run them. He was a great friend and I can't think of any way to better honor his memory than to do just that. They were pretty dirty and in need of a lot of cleaning fter being in his cold, damp basement for over a year. He was hospitalized during the latter part of the year and the house did not have the heat going or the dehumidifier running. The trains have some sort of white gunk on the trucks and couplers. I would like to know how to clean them without damaging them if possible.   They are now in a warm, dry and heated location. There is a SP Daylight A-B-A with 5 passenger cars and several pieces from the 1950's with converted link couplers.   I hope to post photos in the near future.   Great stress-relievers, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51010	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: Harold (Butch) Henion

speedy recovery --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Harold henion Jr. <hchenion@...> wrote: From: Harold henion Jr. <hchenion@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Harold (Butch) Henion To: "S Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 4:32 PM Butch is home from his surgery.  All went ok.  They cleaned up the scar tissue and fixed some "fray's" and arthritis, then they filed down the collar bone some. He is doing good.  Feel free to email him at this address.  Thank you for all your thoughts and prayers. Margot (and Butch) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51011	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car?

any track for the coal car or log dunp car.? --- On Sun, 11/9/08, John <beebear@...> wrote: From: John <beebear@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 3:54 PM Grant It doesn't help if we don't know where that folder is. Could you please provide us with a link? Thank you John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant" <gwbishop@dslextreme .com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Helper accessory track for Gilbert Operating Mail Car? > I've added some photos of the track in a folder called 'S helper track > mods' in the file section > Hope it helps out > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51012	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Items for sale and needed.

I have 4 items for sale, 3 of which are Crown reefers. For photos, go to Portlines Hobbies and look at their Crown Reefer photo archive, or I can e-mail a photo to you. All items have been run but are nearly new. Each reefer is $35 plus shipping. Shipping will be actual cost and I will let you know based on how many cars you buy. (1) Hood Milk reefer - car #822 (2) PFE reefer - car #60002 (3) Wilson Milk reefer - car #17500. This car was custom decoraated by me so contact me off list and I can send you a photo. I also accidentally bought two SHS L&C PS2s #401. For photo you can go to the SHS page, or I will e-mail you one if you wish. This car is $43 including shipping. Also, I am looking for a Downs Celanese tank car to buy or trade. Contact me off list if interested or if you have questions. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51013	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee

already been.   AND my complaint is people there Friday selling were not underline not there on Sauterday. --- On Sun, 11/9/08, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Fest at Milwaukee To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 10:52 AM Anyone going to S-Fest in Milwaukee this coming week-end? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51014	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: IRS

Jerry are you an old IRS man? I think we have a sleeper in here boys to come get us boys playing with are trains.... Tax us, there goes my stress level! I need to go to my train room to lower the stress.... Clayton S. D. Portland OR. --- On Sun, 11/16/08, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] IRS > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 7:31 AM > Not to start a new, on line thread, But, any item sold, any > way, any > place, that shows a profit, this is income, defined by the > IRS. And the > IRS wants it's share. > Keep records, if you sell for a loss. > Jerry 77-11644 > ____________________________________________________________ > Looking for a romantic getaway? Click now for amazing > cruise deals. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2if5Vsre7QoAqlGCL1VtKcx7Z5ORF2BalTi6Y2ClIAqEbWr/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51015	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: Stepdown Transformers

Hi, when I was in England at the start of the year my camera went dead on me. I picked up a new one over there, but when I came back to the US I need to charge the camera? What to do? I went on Ebay, and picked up an adapter plug. This works great. Here is a link to help you fined an adaptor - Converter US AU EU there is more on Ebay to look at, but the great part is shipping is free with a cheap price too. Price is $6.26 US with the "Buy It Now! Good luck! Best idea sense canned pees.... http://cgi.ebay.com/TRAVEL-POWER-ADAPTER-ADAPTOR-PLUG-CONVERTER-US-UK-AU-EU_W0QQitemZ230306711366QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH Clayton --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: > From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Stepdown Transformers > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 3:28 AM > Hi Lou: > Thanks for comments. I sort of thought that might be the > case. > However, the odd part is that I haven't even opened the > box it came in > (usually I buy something, have it sent to my son's > house in the States, > and then pick it up and bring it back here after a visit > to the > States). Oh well, another mystery - must really be getting > old! > regards, > Rance > > Lou &Lois Templeton wrote: > > > > Rance, > > It is for the base unit on the Lionel Trainmaster > Command Control > > system(TMCC). You must have bought one to run the > 2-8-2. They do run > > so much better on TMCC then in conventional mode. Hope > this helps. > > Lou Templeton Original Message ----- > > From: Rance and Bente > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:31 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Stepdown Transformers > > > > Hi All: > > It seems as though I have been collecting stepdown > transformers for all > > sorts of electrical equipment (phones and cell phones, > answering > > machines, printers, computer equipment/accessories, > cameras, etc., etc., > > etc.) and they have been collecting on my desk! Well, > upon cleaning > > them up, I have one from "Lionel" with the > following information printed > > on it: > > Class 2 Transformer > > Model: AC120100 > > Lionel SA35-429A > > Use only with BASE-1 > > Input: 120 VAC 60Hz 3W > > Output: 12 VAC 100 mA > > and the usual Made in China > > Does anyone know what this could be used for? I have > purchased a lionel > > engine (2-8-2??) in the recent past, but the box > hasn't even been opened > > - so any suggestions for what this might be used for > or which equipment > > it comes with would be appreciated??? Thanks for any > info - I will also > > try to find out from the internet (and the Lionel > website) as to what it > > is used for, but these types of transformers are > ubiquitous and collect > > like dustballs. > > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > Oh yes, since it is for 120 VAC, it has a usual US > type plug rather than > > a European plug (something else I have to struggle > with). > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51016	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: transformer witha noise

Sounds like a bent gear. Mike In a message dated 11/16/2008 3:56:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mikenguy9@... writes: Are or is a transformer suppost to make a moise? I went to S-Fest in Milwaukee and bought a 1 1/2 Flyer transformer and got it home amd pluged it in. I heard a noise, do not want to say grinding, but almost, and was wonedering what it was. any ideas? never heard any noiise before. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51017	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: SHS accessory track for AF coal car

Dear Mike, Yes, we made one of those and modeled after the 3rd rail sections the PRR installed under Penn Station NYC. You can see one on our website at: http://www.showcaseline.com/track/00671.jpg Best regards, Don mike rosz wrote: > any track for the coal car or log dunp car.? > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 2 > New Members > 9 > New Photos > 4 > New Files > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > Moderator Central > Get answers to > your questions about > running Y! Groups. > All-Bran > 10 Day Challenge > Join the club and > feel the benefits. > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51018	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Economy

Something that may even be more interesting to S Gaugers is that the company that makes all of our Showcase Line trains, Lionel AF, American Models and many for S Scale America was sold this past week to Kader Industries, the company that owns Bachmann and recently purchased Williams. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51019	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Keystone Div Train Show

_http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCA-KEYSTONE1108.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCA-KEYSTONE1108.html) Probably the FIRST published pics from Saturday's Keystone Meet Train Show, showing PVMR in support of Keystone Div. Photographer is TCA & PVMR member Glenn Ritter, our man DEPENDABLE with the camera. The crew included the "Jolly Old Elf" himself (Fred Bollinger of PVMR fame) TCA'ers/PVMR crew Paul Herr, Jeff Leeking, Glenn Rittter and yours truly (transport engineer) EVERY child received a picture with Santa, courtesy of Keystone Div. The Head Engineer at the Train Races is TCA's Peter Taraborelli, full time college student, holding down TWO jobs and an NTTM Volunteer ( ALL at the age of 20!!!!). Dealer Ben is the same Ben Stiles one reads frequently in the TCA publication, THE QUARTERLY. Also a "dual member, TCA and PVMR. Many others worked behind the scenes to make a rainy day train show a success. Next Shows are January, March and November of 2009. Jim Lyle **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51020	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Economy

In Texas, Two Houston area (mostly) train stores have gone out of busniess, one more is on its way, and King's in Austin will be closing at the end of the year. We lost one in San Antonio last year. Clay Lone Star Trains and Collectibles 4161 Naco-Perrin Blvd. San Antonio, TX 78217 210-655-4665 www.lonestartrains.com -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone [mailto:mrstumpy@...] Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 08:48 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:The Economy In our area, the five hobby shops (down from seven)have changed over the years from "full coverage" types to specific product types. The closest to the "carry everything" store is Deluxe, which has gravitated to being more of a toy store. Fulton's has given up everything but Radio Control planes and cars. Patrick's does only trains, O three rail and some HO. TK has gone only trains, O three rail and G with a smattering of HO. And my own G & M is only trains now, O three rail and scale, S Hi-rail and scale, HO, and a little N scale. Each of the three train only shops carry scenery, structures, and vehicles too of course. Of the five shops, Fulton's and G & M have given the best customer service by far for as long as they have been in business. The other three are supported by other sources of revenue, the two other train shops are run strictly as tax right offs. WalMart has sucked the life out of area small businesses, and what they didn't take, Lowe's (a subsidiary of WalMart) have snatched up. It is true that many people shop WalMart for prices, but it is also true that in areas of small towns WalMart wipes out the competition and leaves you with no other choice. It's an effective strategy. For hobby shops, the pressure has been on for several years, and they are dropping like flies. According to Hobby Retailer, an industry magazine hundreds have gone under since 2005! We lost two locally,nearby Steubenville lost both their shops in the past few years and Pittsburgh lost two this year alone. For belt tightening, we're near the last hole in the hobby shop business. Stumpy Stone...concerned in eastern Ohio. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51021	From: macflyer0513	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Custom Decals

I'm ready for decals for my custom "Reading Company" Anthracite Express. I'll need coach names and numbers, "Reading Company" , etc. I got a sheet of Microscale F-7 decals that will take care of the engine and tende. Any suggestions on where to go to order? Any help will be appreciated. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51022	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: S-Fest Silent auction scale double-stack car

Good morning: Does anyone know who was SELLING the scale, red Gunderson double-stack car with two 20 foot bulktainers? I need to contact this individual. I, Thorin Marty, owe them $10.00. (You do not need to read any further.) Saturday marked the start of my annual fall battle with diabetes. I did not realize this until Sunday. For two to four weeks I my blood sugars spin out of control despite my best efforts with frequent testing, drugs, and diet interventions. When they get extreme, I get very stupid. The silent auction finished at noon. About then I was purchasing Paul Steven's TrainMaster. I knew my sugars were low. I knew I needed food. After completing this transaction I staggered out of the motel and crossed the parking lot to Rocky Rocco. After lunch I waited until my sugars were fine and drove home. I did not think of the silent auction again until the banquet. However, I had put a bid on the double-stack car. My bid was the winning bid at $20.00. They could not find me. (I was doing diabetes treatment in the form of eating lunch at Rocky Rocco.) They did find the second-highest bidder and I expect his bid of $10.00 was the accepted bid. I feel horrible. I am not seeking the car. I am seeking the former owner. The selling bid was mine: $20.00. But I expect the seller received only $10.00. Therefore I, Thorin Marty, owe the former owner $10.00. I repeat, I do not seek the car. I do not want to take the car from the new, happy owner. But I do want the seller to receive their full share. When stupid I can follow written instructions. When I bid I did not think I needed to write anything on my clipboard. I should have written: 1. At noon return to the silent auction. 2. Check to see if you won anything. 3. If you won anything ask how to pickup the merchandise and how to pay. 4. Pay. 5. Place new purchases into knapsack or make special trip to car. Yes, when my diabetes is acting up, I need this detailed a set of instructions. You should see my 'stupid day' instructions on how to order breakfast at the café where I work. So I ask your help in locating this person so they can receive their full value. Thank you for your help. Frustrated with myself, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51023	From: warren_chadbourne	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: trip to Nashville

Hi, I will be leaving for Nashville this Thursday and will be there for the entire week of Thanksgiving. Are there any train places or people I should try to visit while there? Thank you Bud

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51024	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: transformer witha noise

My guess would be some loose plates vibrating. I don't think there are any moving parts inside except the wiper arm as it is moved across the coils. Never saw any gears, etc., inside any of the AF transformers I've had apart. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "mikenguy9" <mikenguy9@...> > Are or is a transformer suppost to make a moise? > > I went to S-Fest in Milwaukee and bought a 1 1/2 Flyer > transformer and got it home amd pluged it in. > > I heard a noise, do not want to say grinding, but almost, > and was wonedering what it was. > > any ideas? > > never heard any noiise before. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51025	From: william cole	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals

ditto, could use Reading Company passenger decals also!!!!! � I think Champ used to make them In HO...and if memory bserves me correctly I think their web-site indicated that they had digitized their decals.....I have yet to contact them to see if they could provide their digital artwork for a run of these from say Rail Graphics...??? � Also Bethlehem Car Works (HO) has Reding passnger decals (I think)...and I beleive he uses Rail Graphics.... � If not (you never know when manufacturers and companies want to refuse guaranteed sales !!) I have a friend who would gladly help out with the artwork�as long as we can get him good specs (height, length,�photos of the lettering)...he does beautiful work and has once again made his appearance into the modelling community after 2-3 years of painting non-railroad subjects.....�� Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Mon, 11/17/08, macflyer0513 <macflyer@...> wrote: From: macflyer0513 <macflyer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 9:49 AM I'm ready for decals for my custom "Reading Company" Anthracite Express. I'll need coach names and numbers, "Reading Company" , etc. I got a sheet of Microscale F-7 decals that will take care of the engine and tende. Any suggestions on where to go to order? Any help will be appreciated. Mac [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51026	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: trip to Nashville

Bud, My name is Earl Henry, Jr. and I live in Nashville. I have a lot of S gauge in storage but do not have anything set up. My mother has just passed away and things are too crazy right now for me to set up track. I grew up with American Flyer trains and still have some but most of my trains are now American Models or SHS. I am a passenger fan and am moving toward scale though I do not know whether I will ever go 100% scale. I have quite a lot of full length passenger cars including some that I have had custom decorated for the Southern Railway. I also have River Raisin E8s custom painted in the beautiful L&N blue and cream scheme and will later have passenger cars to match. You are welcome to call me at 615/298-4502 and possibly I could show you some of my trains if you are interested. - Earl Henry, Jr. Nashville, TN =========================== In a message dated 11/17/2008 9:25:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, wjchadbourne@... writes: Hi, I will be leaving for Nashville this Thursday and will be there for the entire week of Thanksgiving. Are there any train places or people I should try to visit while there? Thank you Bud **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51027	From: Bob Anson	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals

what color are they? Bob Anson %~) --- On Mon, 11/17/08, william cole <billcwithonec@...> wrote: From: william cole <billcwithonec@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 10:36 AM ditto, could use Reading Company passenger decals also!!!!!   I think Champ used to make them In HO...and if memory bserves me correctly I think their web-site indicated that they had digitized their decals.....I have yet to contact them to see if they could provide their digital artwork for a run of these from say Rail Graphics...???   Also Bethlehem Car Works (HO) has Reding passnger decals (I think)...and I beleive he uses Rail Graphics....   If not (you never know when manufacturers and companies want to refuse guaranteed sales !!) I have a friend who would gladly help out with the artwork as long as we can get him good specs (height, length, photos of the lettering)...he does beautiful work and has once again made his appearance into the modelling community after 2-3 years of painting non-railroad subjects.....   Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ¡¡Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¢¢ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Mon, 11/17/08, macflyer0513 <macflyer@...> wrote: From: macflyer0513 <macflyer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 9:49 AM I'm ready for decals for my custom "Reading Company" Anthracite Express. I'll need coach names and numbers, "Reading Company" , etc. I got a sheet of Microscale F-7 decals that will take care of the engine and tende. Any suggestions on where to go to order? Any help will be appreciated. Mac [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51028	From: William Porter	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals

Hi Mac, I have used custom decals from Don Manlick for years. He provides excellent service, sharp printing and attention to detail. His prices are good. He has a variety of standard sets for lettering and adding data to cars as well as his custom service. He can accept artwork or help you make yours. I'm not sure he has a web site. I normally contact him via snail mail. Don can be reached at: Donald B Manlick 2127 11th St. Manitowoc, WI 54220 I highly recommend Don and his decal service. He is a gentleman and a model railroader. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of macflyer0513 Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:49 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Decals I'm ready for decals for my custom "Reading Company" Anthracite Express. I'll need coach names and numbers, "Reading Company" , etc. I got a sheet of Microscale F-7 decals that will take care of the engine and tende. Any suggestions on where to go to order? Any help will be appreciated. Mac _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51029	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Transformer with a noise

Hi Mike, Vibration is the nature of transformers, caused by the AC current. Most of the time noise in a 1-1/2 transformer (plastic case, and all other versions that use this plastic case) is caused by the coils being loose in the case--solution; Usually! turn over the transformer and tighten the two screws that hold the bottom on, and keep the coil stack tight. On other sized transformers there are other solutions, one of which is to tighten the wooden wedges between the windings and the metal stack (or, if there are no wedges, add some). This must be done carefully so as to not damage the coils. And sometimes the transfomre just likes to hum to itself! Trouble is, I haven't found one that can carry a tune! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51030	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Reply

_No, I am not a IRS spy, Just a retiree from Coors Brewing Co. & a TCA member. But traveling around the U.S.A. attending train meets, I have had to purchase sales tax license to sell, Told to report profits as income. Given forms at shows to send to that states to report sales, and now, Internet sales. My wife spends some time in casinos, Wins over $1200 are reported to IRS as income, ( the computers inside the video games can track you, they read your card and have built in TV cameras ) Wins at Bingo &/or Raffles is reported to IRS as income. With our present economy, I can see taxes only going to get more involved in all types of sales. Jerry 77-11644 _______________________________________________________________________ 4b. Re: IRS Posted by: "clayton deich" uvl97222@... uvl97222 Date: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:57 pm ((PST)) Jerry are you an old IRS man? I think we have a sleeper in here boys to come get us boys playing with are trains.... Tax us, there goes my stress level! I need to go to my train room to lower the stress.... Clayton S. D. Portland OR. --- On Sun, 11/16/08, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] IRS > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 7:31 AM > Not to start a new, on line thread, But, any item sold, any > way, any > place, that shows a profit, this is income, defined by the > IRS. And the > IRS wants it's share. > Keep records, if you sell for a loss. > Jerry 77-11644 > ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Find success and happiness with drug and alcohol rehabilitation. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2ZDrypRPYmYql23cextATGjH29sCkuanh8YZmihGNC57rnV/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51031	From: william cole	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals

from the Champ Decal site: � http://www.minot.com/champ/reading-o.htm � http://www.minot.com/champ/reading-ho.htm � delux gold for green cars, blue for Crusader streamline cars..... the work has been done, so is there any point of reinvneting the wheel unless it will produce a better set of decals? Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Bob Anson <e2picasso@...> wrote: From: Bob Anson <e2picasso@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 11:03 AM what color are they? Bob Anson %~) --- On Mon, 11/17/08, william cole <billcwithonec@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: william cole <billcwithonec@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 10:36 AM ditto, could use Reading Company passenger decals also!!!!! � I think Champ used to make them In HO...and if memory bserves me correctly I think their web-site indicated that they had digitized their decals.....I have yet to contact them to see if they could provide their digital artwork for a run of these from say Rail Graphics...? ?? � Also Bethlehem Car Works (HO) has Reding passnger decals (I think)...and I beleive he uses Rail Graphics.... � If not (you never know when manufacturers and companies want to refuse guaranteed sales !!) I have a friend who would gladly help out with the artwork�as long as we can get him good specs (height, length,�photos of the lettering).. .he does beautiful work and has once again made his appearance into the modelling community after 2-3 years of painting non-railroad subjects.... .�� Bc LOandS@yahoogroups. com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Q2A9CxhsFDE& feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio. org/corporatewat ch/paywatch/ ceou/database. cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Mon, 11/17/08, macflyer0513 <macflyer@fuse. net> wrote: From: macflyer0513 <macflyer@fuse. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 9:49 AM I'm ready for decals for my custom "Reading Company" Anthracite Express. I'll need coach names and numbers, "Reading Company" , etc. I got a sheet of Microscale F-7 decals that will take care of the engine and tende. Any suggestions on where to go to order? Any help will be appreciated. Mac [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51032	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Wheelsets in the box (was Scale Wheel sets for trade)

Dear Don: I decided this summer I wanted a D&RGW box car in the Silver / Yellow scheme. At TrainFest Don Heimburger had an S Helper version. (This car is not currently on the web site.) It was $45.00. I am schizophrenic right now about scale or highrail wheelsets. I bought it. The SHS car allows me to swap depending on my mood. American Models had a very similar D&RGW box car at S Fest. (It has the correct paint scheme.) It is only $40.00. But it comes either scale OR highrail so it stayed on the table. SHS let's me have my schizophrenia and eat it too. Keep up the good work, Thorin 6a. Re: Scale Wheel sets for trade Posted by: "Don Thompson" don@... dont08901 Date: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:52 pm ((PST)) Dear Mark, When we introduced our 2 bay PS2 covered hoppers in the 90's, offering both sets of wheels was thought as a mistake by some of our fellow S mfgs due to the added cost t our product. Our reason was to make hobby shop sales easier as they would not have to double inventory the same items for "scale" and "hi-rail". Later we found that trading of our code 110 wheels for AF comp among S gaugers had become very common. Someone once remarked to us that we had figured out how to get AF and Scale guys to talk to each other. I have always cherished that remark. Best, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51033	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Reply

GUYS AND GALS..... Remember there is a positive side to filing all the Tax records!!!! YOU HAVE TO PAY THE PROFIT BUT YOU CAN DEDUCT THE EXPENSES..... SO lets say you buy an item for 500.00 and sell it for 1000.00... Thats 500.00 PROFIT.... To pay tax on.... But, and I am just using numbers for fun, but do work..... That car you bought for 500.00... I left Florida and drove to Calif to find it and buy it... ( No vacation considered... strictly to buy this car ) My car rental 500.00. Motels 400.00, Food 300.00, Gas 500.00, Bandages at the store for the scratch 50.00, 200.00 speeding ticket!, tolls 50.00, ETC..... TOTAL 2000.00 EXPENSES MINUS THE COST OF THE CAR... 500.00 = 1500.00 LOSS... Itemize and take this off the profits from other things!!!! Bob Conner-------------- Original message from gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...>: -------------- _No, I am not a IRS spy, Just a retiree from Coors Brewing Co. & a TCA member. But traveling around the U.S.A. attending train meets, I have had to purchase sales tax license to sell, Told to report profits as income. Given forms at shows to send to that states to report sales, and now, Internet sales. My wife spends some time in casinos, Wins over $1200 are reported to IRS as income, ( the computers inside the video games can track you, they read your card and have built in TV cameras ) Wins at Bingo &/or Raffles is reported to IRS as income. With our present economy, I can see taxes only going to get more involved in all types of sales. Jerry 77-11644 __________________________________________________________ 4b. Re: IRS Posted by: "clayton deich" uvl97222@... uvl97222 Date: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:57 pm ((PST)) Jerry are you an old IRS man? I think we have a sleeper in here boys to come get us boys playing with are trains.... Tax us, there goes my stress level! I need to go to my train room to lower the stress.... Clayton S. D. Portland OR. --- On Sun, 11/16/08, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] IRS > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 7:31 AM > Not to start a new, on line thread, But, any item sold, any > way, any > place, that shows a profit, this is income, defined by the > IRS. And the > IRS wants it's share. > Keep records, if you sell for a loss. > Jerry 77-11644 > __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ Find success and happiness with drug and alcohol rehabilitation. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2ZDrypRPYmYql23cextATGjH29sCkuanh8YZmihGNC57rnV/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51034	From: Glenn	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals

Too bad it doesn't show the lettering or say READING COMPANY. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "william cole" <billcwithonec@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:49 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Decals from the Champ Decal site: http://www.minot.com/champ/reading-o.htm http://www.minot.com/champ/reading-ho.htm delux gold for green cars, blue for Crusader streamline cars..... the work has been done, so is there any point of reinvneting the wheel unless it will produce a better set of decals? Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ''Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007'' ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Bob Anson <e2picasso@...> wrote: From: Bob Anson <e2picasso@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 11:03 AM what color are they? Bob Anson %~) --- On Mon, 11/17/08, william cole <billcwithonec@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: william cole <billcwithonec@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 10:36 AM ditto, could use Reading Company passenger decals also!!!!! I think Champ used to make them In HO...and if memory bserves me correctly I think their web-site indicated that they had digitized their decals.....I have yet to contact them to see if they could provide their digital artwork for a run of these from say Rail Graphics...? ?? Also Bethlehem Car Works (HO) has Reding passnger decals (I think)...and I beleive he uses Rail Graphics.... If not (you never know when manufacturers and companies want to refuse guaranteed sales !!) I have a friend who would gladly help out with the artwork as long as we can get him good specs (height, length, photos of the lettering).. .he does beautiful work and has once again made his appearance into the modelling community after 2-3 years of painting non-railroad subjects.... . Bc LOandS@yahoogroups. com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Q2A9CxhsFDE& feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ¡¡Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¢¢ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio. org/corporatewat ch/paywatch/ ceou/database. cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Mon, 11/17/08, macflyer0513 <macflyer@fuse. net> wrote: From: macflyer0513 <macflyer@fuse. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 9:49 AM I'm ready for decals for my custom "Reading Company" Anthracite Express. I'll need coach names and numbers, "Reading Company" , etc. I got a sheet of Microscale F-7 decals that will take care of the engine and tende. Any suggestions on where to go to order? Any help will be appreciated. Mac [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 8:48 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51035	From: Bill	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: joseph Wieckoski

Sorry to take up this band width but I keep on getting emails from Joseph Wieckoski from the S-Trains group asking me to join his grouply site. I have emailed him asking him to stop with out success. Joseph if you are out there please remove me from your email list. Bill Beverly >Joseph Wieckoski from your S-Trains group sent you an >invitation to join Grouply so you can see their profile, friends, and >list of groups.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51036	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Stepdown Transformers

Clayton, There is a difference in adapters and transformers. The simple plug devices are adapters that allow you to plug into a different system. But plug a 120V device into a 220V outlet with just an adapter and call the fire truck! Good ol Wally World has a kit that includes all the various adapters for "world wide" use plus a transformer. I think it runs around $15. Used correctly it solves the mis-matched voltage problems and no more fires. It's saved me several times when outside good old North America. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Hi, when I was in England at the start of the year my camera went dead on me. I picked up a new one over there, but when I came back to the US I need to charge the camera? What to do? I went on Ebay, and picked up an adapter plug. This works great. Here is a link to help you fined an adaptor - Converter US AU EU there is more on Ebay to look at, but the great part is shipping is free with a cheap price too. Price is $6.26 US with the "Buy It Now! Good luck! Best idea sense canned pees.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/TRAVEL-POWER-ADAPTER-ADAPTOR-PLUG-CONVERTER-US- UK-AU-EU_W0QQitemZ230306711366QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH > > Clayton > > > --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > > From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Stepdown Transformers > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 3:28 AM > > Hi Lou: > > Thanks for comments. I sort of thought that might be the > > case. > > However, the odd part is that I haven't even opened the > > box it came in > > (usually I buy something, have it sent to my son's > > house in the States, > > and then pick it up and bring it back here after a visit > > to the > > States). Oh well, another mystery - must really be getting > > old! > > regards, > > Rance > > > > Lou &Lois Templeton wrote: > > > > > > Rance, > > > It is for the base unit on the Lionel Trainmaster > > Command Control > > > system(TMCC). You must have bought one to run the > > 2-8-2. They do run > > > so much better on TMCC then in conventional mode. Hope > > this helps. > > > Lou Templeton Original Message ----- > > > From: Rance and Bente > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:31 AM > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Stepdown Transformers > > > > > > Hi All: > > > It seems as though I have been collecting stepdown > > transformers for all > > > sorts of electrical equipment (phones and cell phones, > > answering > > > machines, printers, computer equipment/accessories, > > cameras, etc., etc., > > > etc.) and they have been collecting on my desk! Well, > > upon cleaning > > > them up, I have one from "Lionel" with the > > following information printed > > > on it: > > > Class 2 Transformer > > > Model: AC120100 > > > Lionel SA35-429A > > > Use only with BASE-1 > > > Input: 120 VAC 60Hz 3W > > > Output: 12 VAC 100 mA > > > and the usual Made in China > > > Does anyone know what this could be used for? I have > > purchased a lionel > > > engine (2-8-2??) in the recent past, but the box > > hasn't even been opened > > > - so any suggestions for what this might be used for > > or which equipment > > > it comes with would be appreciated??? Thanks for any > > info - I will also > > > try to find out from the internet (and the Lionel > > website) as to what it > > > is used for, but these types of transformers are > > ubiquitous and collect > > > like dustballs. > > > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > > Oh yes, since it is for 120 VAC, it has a usual US > > type plug rather than > > > a European plug (something else I have to struggle > > with). > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51037	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: The Economy

and he notes - Kader's corporate bio reads much like J. Lionel Cowan (or A. C. Gilbert's). Father started the business, son takes it over. Both had ancillary businesses and as we have seen with Lionel, they gobbled up the weaker competitor (i. e. Bachmann who gobbled up Graham Farish Lilliput and such). The same thing is happening with Marklin and LGB. No doubt "Kader's Raiders" have their eyes set on additional acquisitions - hmmm... maybe a certain Jersey firm is next??? Raleigh in darn cold Maine! At 07:40 PM 11/16/2008, Don Thompson wrote: >Something that may even be more interesting to S Gaugers is that >the company that makes all of our Showcase Line trains, Lionel AF, >American Models and many for S Scale America was sold this past week >to Kader Industries, the company that owns Bachmann and recently >purchased Williams. >Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51038	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: transformer witha noise

Jim's right there is little in the 1 1/2 transformers. It would be a vibrating plate only. Clayton S. D. Portland OR. --- On Sun, 11/16/08, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: > From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] transformer witha noise > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 9:10 PM > My guess would be some loose plates vibrating. I don't > think there are any moving parts inside except the wiper arm > as it is moved across the coils. Never saw any gears, etc., > inside any of the AF transformers I've had apart. > Jim E. > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "mikenguy9" <mikenguy9@...> > > Are or is a transformer suppost to make a moise? > > > > I went to S-Fest in Milwaukee and bought a 1 1/2 > Flyer > > transformer and got it home amd pluged it in. > > > > I heard a noise, do not want to say grinding, but > almost, > > and was wonedering what it was. > > > > any ideas? > > > > never heard any noiise before. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51039	From: Rhett George	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: transformer witha noise

- GreetingS - Mikenguy has a new to him old transformer. May I ask whether the noise is heard all the time it is plugged in or just when the speed control is turned. As I read your question, it seems that the noise is there all the time it is plugged in. If loud, it may be due to a shorted turn on the winding which will cause excessive current draw and overheating. If not loud, it may be due to slightly loose transformer laminations. This situation may be ignored. If the transformer wired in series, not parallel, with a 40 W incandescent bulb and the combo plugged in, carefully, causes the bulb to glow weakly, I suspect loose lams. If the bulb glows brightly, I suspect a shorted winding. An ammeter good for several amps, properly connected to the primary is the better way to go. Less that 0.2 A is probably okay, other- wise it is likely to be 1 A or more which is not okay. These readings are without a load on the secondary. CheerS, Ammeter Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51040	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Reply

Jerry if your wife wins at the casinos did you know the cards used now keep track of the lost as well, and you can ask them for a copy to see if you did need to pay taxes. Also if the IRS think it's income then the airplane ticket - food - hotel should be a write off as well. With out all of the suport for the trip there would be no income. All the other stuff I said was just pulling your chane.... Clayton S. D. Portland OR. --- On Mon, 11/17/08, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Reply > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 8:26 AM > _No, I am not a IRS spy, Just a retiree from Coors Brewing > Co. & a TCA > member. But traveling around the U.S.A. attending train > meets, I have > had to purchase sales tax license to sell, Told to report > profits as > income. Given forms at shows to send to that states to > report sales, and > now, Internet sales. > My wife spends some time in casinos, Wins over $1200 are > reported to > IRS as income, ( the computers inside the video games can > track you, they > read your card and have built in TV cameras ) Wins at > Bingo &/or Raffles > is reported to IRS as income. > With our present economy, I can see taxes only going to get > more involved > in all types of sales. > Jerry 77-11644 > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > 4b. Re: IRS > Posted by: "clayton deich" uvl97222@... > uvl97222 > Date: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:57 pm ((PST)) > > Jerry are you an old IRS man? I think we have a sleeper in > here boys to > come get us boys playing with are trains.... Tax us, there > goes my stress > level! I need to go to my train room to lower the > stress.... > > Clayton S. D. > Portland OR. > > > --- On Sun, 11/16/08, gerald r dobbs > <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > > From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] IRS > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 7:31 AM > > Not to start a new, on line thread, But, any item > sold, any > > way, any > > place, that shows a profit, this is income, defined by > the > > IRS. And the > > IRS wants it's share. > > Keep records, if you sell for a loss. > > Jerry 77-11644 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > ____________________________________________________________ > Find success and happiness with drug and alcohol > rehabilitation. Click now. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2ZDrypRPYmYql23cextATGjH29sCkuanh8YZmihGNC57rnV/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51041	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals

Hi, In my recent postings for custom decals I acquired the below list of five suppliers: Stan Cedarleaf 11176 E Western Sunset Dr Dewey, AZ 86327-5632 H 928 778-3732 C 520 831-3390 Cedarleaf Custom Decals - Jim Wilhite E-mail Address jwilhite@... Just tell him David Cooke of Classic Trains Plus AZ www.classictrainsplus.com recommended you. Paul Sause. e-mail him at:psause@.... Wayne Beachy at email waynebeachy113@... C-D-S Lettering Ltd., P.O. Box 65074 Napean, Ontario Canada K2G 5Y3 Fax: (613) 226-5747 E-mail: cds_lettering_ltd@... I sent Stan Cedarleaf a MS Word file of what I wanted and he supplied me with good decals white & gold on clear at a resonable price. I had a whole page full of several road names of what I wanted. I ended up with enough decals for many locos. I recommend that you figure out just what you want in terms of font, size of lettering, and color. I can recommend Stan, but others recommended the other suppliers above so take your pick. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" <gartrain404@...> wrote: > > Too bad it doesn't show the > lettering or say READING COMPANY. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "william cole" <billcwithonec@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:49 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Decals > > > from the Champ Decal site: > > http://www.minot.com/champ/reading-o.htm > > http://www.minot.com/champ/reading-ho.htm > > > delux gold for green cars, blue for Crusader streamline cars..... > > the work has been done, so is there any point of reinvneting the wheel > unless it will produce a better set of decals? > Bc > > LOandS@yahoogroups.com > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Pink Spider > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale > Which determines the way they go. ...." > -EWW > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > SUPPORT ''Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007'' > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Bob Anson <e2picasso@...> wrote: > > From: Bob Anson <e2picasso@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Decals > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 11:03 AM > > > > > > > what color are they? > > Bob Anson %~) > > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, william cole <billcwithonec@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: william cole <billcwithonec@ yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Custom Decals > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 10:36 AM > > ditto, could use Reading Company passenger decals also!!!!! > > I think Champ used to make them In HO...and if memory bserves me correctly I > think their web-site indicated that they had digitized their decals.....I > have > yet to contact them to see if they could provide their digital artwork for a > run > of these from say Rail Graphics...? ?? > > Also Bethlehem Car Works (HO) has Reding passnger decals (I think)...and I > beleive he uses Rail Graphics.... > > If not (you never know when manufacturers and companies want to refuse > guaranteed sales !!) I have a friend who would gladly help out with the > artwork as long as we can get him good specs (height, length, photos of the > lettering).. .he does beautiful work and has once again made his appearance > into > the modelling community after 2-3 years of painting non-railroad > subjects.... . > > Bc > > LOandS@yahoogroups. com > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Pink Spider > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Q2A9CxhsFDE& feature=related > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale > Which determines the way they go. ...." > -EWW > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > SUPPORT ¡¡Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007¢¢ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > http://www.aflcio. org/corporatewat ch/paywatch/ ceou/database. cfm#S > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, macflyer0513 <macflyer@fuse. net> wrote: > > From: macflyer0513 <macflyer@fuse. net> > Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Decals > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 9:49 AM > > I'm ready for decals for my custom "Reading Company" Anthracite > Express. I'll need coach > names and numbers, "Reading Company" , etc. I got a sheet of > Microscale F-7 decals that will > take care of the engine and tende. Any suggestions on where to go to order? > Any > help will > be appreciated. > Mac > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 > 8:48 AM >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51042	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)

Friends,   Grouply is a group that has been a problem with other yahoogroups I belong to. As soon as you join, it takes information from your yahoogroups login and opens the group up to spam. I strongly suggest that the moderator of any group that has a member use the group's membership addresses for this purpose, to be banned from the group. I don't like my email address given out to spammers.   Nick Kulp --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Bill <traintalk@...> wrote: From: Bill <traintalk@...> Subject: [S-Trains] joseph Wieckoski To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 1:55 PM Sorry to take up this band width but I keep on getting emails from Joseph Wieckoski from the S-Trains group asking me to join his grouply site. I have emailed him asking him to stop with out success. Joseph if you are out there please remove me from your email list. Bill Beverly >Joseph Wieckoski from your S-Trains group sent you an >invitation to join Grouply so you can see their profile, friends, and >list of groups. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51043	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Custom Decals

I have a set of S scale lettering that John Hall made for Reading Passenger cars a few years back. Set #105 included 2 sheets, each one would decal one passenger car. The lettering is in Dulux gold with the "READING COMPANY" lettering, as well as names for club cars, REA, RPO lettering, a number jumble and the lettering for the Express boxcar. I will copy John and see if he responds. Best regards, Don P S John also made set 107 Reading Dulux gold steam engine lettering.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51044	From: Robert Nalbone	Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update

Good evening to all. I have some good news regarding the Fall, 2008 issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine: It is done, and will be going to the printer in the next day or two! It is true that this is happening about a month later than I had planned, but there were just too many little (but important) things that held up the process. Featured will be Part II of a decaling article by Dr. Geoffrey Graber, a weathering article by Bill Beverly & an article on building a urethane kit by Bill Lane. Dick Karnes & his "Engineering Dept." column returns plus there is a book review and more. I think you will like it. I will begin putting together the Winter, 2009 issue after Thanksgiving. In addition, the website will be taken down soon for a face lift. I'll let everyone know exactly when that will be. In the meantime, please subscribe or renew via snail mail. Once the Website is back online, you will be able to subscribe/renew and buy back issues via PayPal. I am accepting material for consideration for the Winter & Spring 2009 issues. Please contact me at: Editor@... or Bobnalbone04@... to discuss your project. Advertising space is also available. Thanks for your patience! Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine "The Magazine for the S Scale Model Railroader"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51045	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)

Several groups have sent ne an invatation to join. Just not sure how these groups got my e-mail address.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51046	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: transformer witha noise

I was told about screws on the underside, I tightened them up and it has subsided. --- On Sun, 11/16/08, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] transformer witha noise To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 5:59 PM Sounds like a bent gear. Mike In a message dated 11/16/2008 3:56:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mikenguy9@yahoo. com writes: Are or is a transformer suppost to make a moise? I went to S-Fest in Milwaukee and bought a 1 1/2 Flyer transformer and got it home amd pluged it in. I heard a noise, do not want to say grinding, but almost, and was wonedering what it was. any ideas? never heard any noiise before. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51047	From: Alan Evans	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update

Robert, I assume that my prior subscription with Bendever expired. Can you verify, please? Alan Evans P.O. Box 30345 Gahanna, OH 43230 Thanks. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51048	From: mikenguy9	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: 650 & lights

I always thought the 650 cars ALL had lighted interiors. I just came across some that did not have any lights. and looking at the trucks the wheels are all plastic. Riverossi has a kit for lighting cars. It has wipers for the axels but you also needs metal wheels. tThere is acompany which has a kit for cabooses, I just forgot their name, they are (were ) in Benton Harbor. are there any other kits out there?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51049	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles

Thanks --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> wrote: From: Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S scale (1/64) vehicles To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 4:10 PM Mike, If you check out the Hallmark shops around Christmas, they have a line of Harley Davidson motorcycles that are in S (or darned close to it). They're meant as tree decorations, and have a small eyelet on the tank, which can be removed and smoothed over. The bikes look very nice and I have a few parked in front of the diner on my layout. Good luck! Jerry Raking Leaves in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@. ..> wrote: > > I am looking for those years in a motorcycle and maybe a Schwinn bicycle. > > --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Alec Adamyk aadamyk@... wrote: > > From: Alec Adamyk aadamyk@... > Subject: [S-Trains] S scale (1/64) vehicles > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:03 PM > > > > > > > Hi all, > Does anyone know where I can buy S scale vehicle kits or even built ones. I am especially looking for early model trucks' 1930's or 1940's to place by a loading platform for a structure kit I am building . > > Thank you, > > Modelmaker2 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51050	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Reply

Well someone has to pay for the Wall Street bailout may as well be toys and hobbys LOL tounge in cheek Tom -----Original Message----- From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:26 am Subject: [S-Trains] Reply _No, I am not a IRS spy, Just a retiree from Coors Brewing Co. & a TCA member. But traveling around the U.S.A. attending train meets, I have had to purchase sales tax license to sell, Told to report profits as income. Given forms at shows to send to that states to report sales, and now, Internet sales. My wife spends some time in casinos, Wins over $1200 are reported to IRS as income, ( the computers inside the video games can track you, they read your card and have built in TV cameras ) Wins at Bingo &/or Raffles is reported to IRS as income. With our present economy, I can see taxes only going to get more involved in all types of sales. Jerry 77-11644 __________________________________________________________ 4b. Re: IRS Posted by: "clayton deich" uvl97222@... uvl97222 Date: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:57 pm ((PST)) Jerry are you an old IRS man? I think we have a sleeper in here boys to come get us boys playing with are trains.... Tax us, there goes my stress level! I need to go to my tra in room to lower the stress.... Clayton S. D. Portland OR.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51051	From: judgeatkck2002	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: S-Fest

Have not read a report on S-Fest this past weekend. Thought I would give my perspective as a Frequent Attender of S-Fests since 1998. I thought the trading area was great. The aisles were plenty wide enough, the lighting was more than adequate, and everyone was in the same room. There were items from the cheap to the extravagant to be purchased or in the case of Gary Clark's items at least admired. Prices varied greatly, but again that depended on the quality and rarity of the item sought. There was plenty of S-Helper new product available and the Showcase team had a portable layout and products to sell. American Models was well represented with Ron and son ably manning their tables. Dealers ranged from John Heck, Ron Durst, John Wickland,Don Heimberger the Vanacores and Clarks. Thanks to Al Baker I can report on the layout tours. All of the layout hosts were extremely helpful and shared their homes and their knowledge. I especially enjoyed meeting Brad Nelson and Ron Schlicht. Al Baker transported another S-Gauger and I to 5 layouts with help from his Garmin navigator. Several useful tips were imparted and seeing layouts that have been featured in magazines was great. I only attended two clinics. The repair clinic by John Heck was helpful and the questions from the audience provided even more information. Al Baker's slide show and presentation on modifying AF Engines got me enthused to try some decaling and modifying of Atlantic engines. I didn't attend the banquet so can't comment on the festivities Saturday evening. I do like the Convention Car and brought home extras for some local guys who could not attend. Thanks to the Badgerland S Gaugers for a Great Weekend in Milwaukee Bill Hutton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51052	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)

I have had Grouply invites from several members of our group. As soon as the Grouply log-in page asked for my Yahoo password, I exited.A Yahoo group that doesn't know that I'm logged on scares me-John Marganski   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51053	From: pnw65_snt	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: New E-Mail for all interested Re: Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)

Hi everyone I have a new email: t4u@... My old email rr4u@... is no longer working. If you have sent me any e-mails in the last three weeks or so, please re-send them to me at my new e-mail, Thanks. Also if you are so enclined I also have a web site at: Trains-4-U.com, It has a variety of S related info, including a Blog site devoted to S couplers of all kinnds. You are invited to participate and contribute. Thanks Peter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51054	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)

I am sure those invites are not legit and the people sending them are not legit. Just another scam in my opinion. Don't ever open anything like these. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: john isn't eddie anymore To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic) I have had Grouply invites from several members of our group. As soon as the Grouply log-in page asked for my Yahoo password, I exited.A Yahoo group that doesn't know that I'm logged on scares me-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51055	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals

John Hall sent back the following... Don, If you would like to pass on the word, I can make available 10 sets of Reading passenger car decals, set #105, for $4.00 each. ...JWH... Please let me know if you are interested and I will get you in contact with John. Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51056	From: Rhett George	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Wires thru the tubes at Mike's ballfield

- GreetingS - For Mike and others who are building street lamps and sports center lamps. Using brass tubes for the lamp poles is a bit more expensive than the use of plastic tubes. However, if one starts with straight brass tubes and is really careful, the poles will remain straight for many moons. Big plus - the brass pole can double as one of the two conductors to get electric power to the lamps at the top. This makes threading the other conductor(s) a bit easier. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51057	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Body-mounted couplers

Des Plaines Hobbies (S Scale America) has recently produced ready-to-run 40 foot steel reefers, based on the Pacific Rail Shops kits, with body-mounted AF-compatible couplers. Are there any problems with these? Is there any experience, good or bad, running these cars on AF or SHS highrail track in trains with talgo-mounted couplers? Why do I ask? It has something to do with ordering a 2010 Spree car. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51058	From: cornwall9	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals

I would be interested in finding a decent S-Scale version of the Reading passenger cars. Finding a car that represents the Crusader car would be a great thing. Does anyone know of a "close" model of the standard Reading coach? Bethlehem Car Works makes some very nice models in HO Scale. The kits include the decal sheets. Regards, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51059	From: downtowndeco	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: New Downtown Deco S Scale kit?

Every time I do a train show I get guys asking me if I'm ever going to do another S scale kit. Well, here's your chance. If I can get at least 100 pre-orders for this design I'll go ahead & start cutting the patterns in S Scale. Price TBA but figure around $120.00. No deposit required, all I'll need is your contact info. If this looks like something you'd like me to do please speak up, otherwise I'll move on to my next HO or O project. Take a look. Cheers! http://www.kitforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1252 Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco downtowndeco@... 406-273-0942

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51060	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)

The "sender" is actually grouply using the group's email server. Since grouply gets a legitimite username and password from a real group member (it asks for your Yahoogroup password, remember?). The grouply server now has access to the group and the list members email addresses. Any member's name used in a grouply request should be removed by the moderator from the membership and an email sent to the user to let them know their username and password is now compromised.   Grouply  is an email "mining" program designed to get email names, addresses, and passwords for spammers.   Nick Kulp ************* I am sure those invites are not legit and the people sending them are not legit. Just another scam in my opinion. Don't ever open anything like these. Mike Marmer ******************* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51061	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)

My understanding is that the peoples' names on the invitation are legit, but their their email addresses were co-opted and are being used without their ok. Thus, Mike is right, don't open them or give them your email address; the perpetrators will then send out many invites under your email address. Rance Velapoldi Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > I am sure those invites are not legit and the people sending them are > not legit. > > Just another scam in my opinion. > > Don't ever open anything like these. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: john isn't eddie anymore > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic) > > I have had Grouply invites from several members of our group. As soon > as the Grouply log-in page asked for my Yahoo password, I exited.A > Yahoo group that doesn't know that I'm logged on scares me-John Marganski > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51062	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)

You're absolutely right --The safest response is none at all - only join groups YOU have researched and WANT to join. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> > My understanding is that the peoples' names on the invitation are > legit, but their their email addresses were co-opted and are being used > without their ok. Thus, Mike is right, don't open them or give them > your email address; the perpetrators will then send out many invites > under your email address. > Rance Velapoldi > > Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > > I am sure those invites are not legit and the people sending them are > > not legit. > > > > Just another scam in my opinion. > > > > Don't ever open anything like these. > > > > Mike Marmer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: john isn't eddie anymore > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic) > > > > I have had Grouply invites from several members of our group. As soon > > as the Grouply log-in page asked for my Yahoo password, I exited.A > > Yahoo group that doesn't know that I'm logged on scares me-John Marganski > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51063	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)

Why are these emails getting posted in the first place, as I thought this was a list that is being moderated. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance and Bente To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic) My understanding is that the peoples' names on the invitation are legit, but their their email addresses were co-opted and are being used without their ok. Thus, Mike is right, don't open them or give them your email address; the perpetrators will then send out many invites under your email address. Rance Velapoldi Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > I am sure those invites are not legit and the people sending them are > not legit. > > Just another scam in my opinion. > > Don't ever open anything like these. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: john isn't eddie anymore > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic) > > I have had Grouply invites from several members of our group. As soon > as the Grouply log-in page asked for my Yahoo password, I exited.A > Yahoo group that doesn't know that I'm logged on scares me-John Marganski > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51064	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic)

From looking at my messages, only one message inadvertently got past the moderator and he noted the unintentional posting. I think there are also messages that go to the individual addresses of group members, though I haven't received any yet.. I also understand that Grouply has the blessing of Yahoo, who has no problem with it. I personally believe it is still something to be avoided and I agree that members who sign up for it should be removed from the group at least under the compromised Yahoo ID because of the spam threat it poses to the rest of the members. Dale Smith Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > Why are these emails getting posted in the first place, as I thought > this was a list that is being moderated. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rance and Bente > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic) > > My understanding is that the peoples' names on the invitation are > legit, but their their email addresses were co-opted and are being used > without their ok. Thus, Mike is right, don't open them or give them > your email address; the perpetrators will then send out many invites > under your email address. > Rance Velapoldi > > Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > > > I am sure those invites are not legit and the people sending them are > > not legit. > > > > Just another scam in my opinion. > > > > Don't ever open anything like these. > > > > Mike Marmer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: john isn't eddie anymore > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Beware Grouply invitations (off-topic) > > > > I have had Grouply invites from several members of our group. As soon > > as the Grouply log-in page asked for my Yahoo password, I exited.A > > Yahoo group that doesn't know that I'm logged on scares me-John > Marganski > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51065	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Chain Saw File

I need to make a 3/16" notch in the plastic tubes I got for the ballpark lights. In searching google for round files, I found a round 3/16 file that is used on chain saws. I know nothing about chain saws, but if someone does know something about these chain saw files, could you let me know if this would work in making a notch in the plastic tubes. Thanks for all the replies about the dirt question I had. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51066	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Wires thru the tubes at Mike's ballfield

Rhett, Now I learn to use brass tubing for the lights!! O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rhett George To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wires thru the tubes at Mike's ballfield - GreetingS - For Mike and others who are building street lamps and sports center lamps. Using brass tubes for the lamp poles is a bit more expensive than the use of plastic tubes. However, if one starts with straight brass tubes and is really careful, the poles will remain straight for many moons. Big plus - the brass pole can double as one of the two conductors to get electric power to the lamps at the top. This makes threading the other conductor(s) a bit easier. CheerS, Rhett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51067	From: Phil K	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Joseph Wieckowski's true email address

It is: Jwieckoski@... Perhaps some of you being bothered by robotic requests to join his group would like to contact him. He seems to be ignoring any email sent to his Yahoo address. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51068	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Putt Trains - Rex Locomotives

Does anyone know if Putt Trains (Terry Putt) of Orwell, Ohio is still in business? The link to their website no longer works. Putt trains took over the Rex line of locomotives, etc. Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51069	From: G C	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chain Saw File

Mike a chain saw file is round on all sides and is intended to sharpen rather than remove a large amount of material quickly. I may have missed the part about what shape notch you are attempting to make, but if it is round a simple rat tail file would be fine. Certainly a few lite quick passes would be sufficient (rat tails remove more material than chain saw files, so go slow). If you are making a shallow notch, stick with the chain saw one. You don't want to leave a ragged edge on the cut surface. Problem is, I believe most chain saw files are a bit on the long side. Awkward to handle on a small work piece. Also, what diameter is the notch? Again, that will obviously determine the size of the file. By the way, some hardware stores sell inexpensive sets of files that come in a plastic sleeve. These are usually found in a discount bin. There are usually several shapes included in the pack. These files while inexpensive are fine for light duty work. Hope this helps, Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51070	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Yuckie Stuff...

While attending the Craftsman Structure Show this past week, I learned that Radio Shack no longer stocks Etchant. For those unfamiliar with Etchant, model builders have used it for quickly and very effectively weathering corrugated aluminum sheet stock for roofs and siding. The side-effect of putting aluminum sheet stock into Etchant, known chemically as ferric chloride, is the release of a toxic and odious gas. Also, the solution that remains post-reaction is toxic and may not legally be poured down a sink drain. While Radio Shack no longer stocks Etchant, ferric chloride, normally used for etching circuit boards, is still readily available at such locations as http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/415.html So, all is not lost. In the past, Turner Model Works has included instructions for this process within their packets of corrugated aluminum sheet stock. I have no personal interest in MG Chemicals nor Turner Model Works so this is not an endorsement of either. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51071	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: transformer buzzing

Hi Gang, The AC current that is available at a typical outlet in the U.S.A. is 60Hz (cycles per second ), nominally 110 volts. If you were to connect that current in an appropriate manner into the input of an oscilloscope, then you'd see that the waveform (shape of the sound) is choppy: akin to the cutting edge of a wood saw's blade. If properly connected to an audio input, then you'd hear the buzzing. In engineering, this is considered to be a crude and dirty signal. The sharp edges and abrupt angles are distorted higher frequency harmonics (by-products) caused by the means of generating and distributing the electrical power. It's analogous to brewed coffee that's not been filtered. Under certain circumstances, it's useable but not ideal. Most devices that are intended to accept such 'dirty power ' have suitable filtering circuits to sufficiently attenuate (a.k.a. remove) the 'junk' (called noise) from the source so that their performance is not adversely affected by it. If filtered PERFECTLY, that 60Hz signal would appear as a sine wave, which by definition means that it has no harmonics . A sine's wave resembles a series of the letter S, turned 90 degrees, with consistent curvature & symmetry. BTW, the buzzing would be different if the transformer were plugged into a typical European outlet because they're 50Hz. There are filters that can be added to AC lines. The more power that they have to handle , the more costly is their price. Because of the characteristics of universal motors, and the mechanical sounds made by the trains and their accessories, manufacturers of toy train transformers understandably and presumably were not concerned with the ambient noises made by the transformers that powered their products. There are other such phenomena in homes and offices. I suspect that the most common is the 'ringing' of the filaments of incandescent light bulbs. This occurs because the filtering in a typical dimmer is inadequate due to cost and pricing considerations. I've recently pondered whether or not universal motors would run more smoothly and less noisily IF the tracks received highly filtered power. It's an experiment that I've not yet attempted. Best, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51072	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Putt Trains-Rex Locomotives

The last time that I talked to Terry on e-mail, he was having trouble finding an outfit to do short casting runs for the various small parts he needs. The people he used before had stopped doing them. I had ordered a 2-6-0, but he told me he didn't know when or if he could deliver. That was in the spring. Since then, the e-mail address he gave me no longer works. He had told me he was going to change servers to do a new website, if I recall, so maybe that is the problem. I know also that he has been doing a lot of sub contracting machine shop work, which takes much of his time. Terry is a great guy and I love the Putt-Rex locos. I have one of each type he made, including the Suburban, and his own trolley and two diesels. I usually see him at trains shows starting this time of the year, I'll see what I can find out. Stumpy Stone...Putt Loco fan in eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51073	From: william cole	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals

Nick, A prototypically correct reading coach and combine in S scale�would make life even better than it already is....like the ones in HO from bethlehem....not many kit builders left�these days except in China....<grins> A Crusader set would be grand!!!! The FP-7 diesel locos are available from AM, though not available lettered for Reading..... � Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Tue, 11/18/08, cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: cornwall9 <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Reading Passenger Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 2:59 PM I would be interested in finding a decent S-Scale version of the Reading passenger cars. Finding a car that represents the Crusader car would be a great thing. Does anyone know of a "close" model of the standard Reading coach? Bethlehem Car Works makes some very nice models in HO Scale. The kits include the decal sheets. Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51074	From: William Porter	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: transformer buzzing

Hi Shiffy, That is a delightful and clear explanation. It deserves a place in the Group Archives. Perhaps you could store it as a file? The transformer offered by MRC (the one with all those meters) claims to have well-filtered and very smooth AC. If any of our colleagues has one of those, they could report on their experiences. A friend of mine has one on his MTH O-gauge layout and he loves it. In his words, it is better than a ZW. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Art Shifrin Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:56 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] transformer buzzing Hi Gang, The AC current that is available at a typical outlet in the U.S.A. is 60Hz (cycles per second ), nominally 110 volts. If you were to connect that current in an appropriate manner into the input of an oscilloscope, then you'd see that the waveform (shape of the sound) is choppy: akin to the cutting edge of a wood saw's blade. If properly connected to an audio input, then you'd hear the buzzing. In engineering, this is considered to be a crude and dirty signal. The sharp edges and abrupt angles are distorted higher frequency harmonics (by-products) caused by the means of generating and distributing the electrical power. It's analogous to brewed coffee that's not been filtered. Under certain circumstances, it's useable but not ideal. Most devices that are intended to accept such 'dirty power ' have suitable filtering circuits to sufficiently attenuate (a.k.a. remove) the 'junk' (called noise) from the source so that their performance is not adversely affected by it. If filtered PERFECTLY, that 60Hz signal would appear as a sine wave, which by definition means that it has no harmonics . A sine's wave resembles a series of the letter S, turned 90 degrees, with consistent curvature & symmetry. BTW, the buzzing would be different if the transformer were plugged into a typical European outlet because they're 50Hz. There are filters that can be added to AC lines. The more power that they have to handle , the more costly is their price. Because of the characteristics of universal motors, and the mechanical sounds made by the trains and their accessories, manufacturers of toy train transformers understandably and presumably were not concerned with the ambient noises made by the transformers that powered their products. There are other such phenomena in homes and offices. I suspect that the most common is the 'ringing' of the filaments of incandescent light bulbs. This occurs because the filtering in a typical dimmer is inadequate due to cost and pricing considerations. I've recently pondered whether or not universal motors would run more smoothly and less noisily IF the tracks received highly filtered power. It's an experiment that I've not yet attempted. Best, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51075	From: G C	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Putt Trains-Rex Locomotives

Stumpy,   How  do Terry's trolley bodies form Putt compare in size relative to the Atlas Industrial Rail ones? This is a backward way of asking if the IR ones are more in keeping with S. I'm not worried about the two versus three rail issue here, just the overall size of the trolleys. Also, does anyone know of oversize HO trolleys that might work for S layouts?   Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51076	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chain Saw File

Sure it would, Mike Steve In a message dated 11/19/2008 3:18:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I need to make a 3/16" notch in the plastic tubes I got for the ballpark lights. In searching google for round files, I found a round 3/16 file that is used on chain saws. I know nothing about chain saws, but if someone does know something about these chain saw files, could you let me know if this would work in making a notch in the plastic tubes. Thanks for all the replies about the dirt question I had. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51077	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chain Saw File

Thanks Steve, as I got one today. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chain Saw File Sure it would, Mike Steve In a message dated 11/19/2008 3:18:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I need to make a 3/16" notch in the plastic tubes I got for the ballpark lights. In searching google for round files, I found a round 3/16 file that is used on chain saws. I know nothing about chain saws, but if someone does know something about these chain saw files, could you let me know if this would work in making a notch in the plastic tubes. Thanks for all the replies about the dirt question I had. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51078	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Putt Tolley bodies

G.C....The Putt bodies are smaller than the Industrial Rail bodies both in height and length. The chassis is shorter and has smaller diameter wheels as well. I believe the I.R. cars are overscale. Stumpy Stone...in cold and snowy Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51079	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: chain saw file

The file works perfect in making a notch on the crossarm to fit the upright pole. The 30 gauge arrived so I will be working on my street lights, ballpark lights and RR optical crossing lights. Scenic Express gave me a link to very nice product for dirt, in quarts and very reasonable. They are out of the grass mat I need till December, so I have lots of things to keep me busy till then. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51080	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chain Saw File

Mike,   You might also want to consider a set of needle files as they come in various sizes and shapes. They are available from Micro Mark, Harbor Freight, and even my local Home Dopey carries them. --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chain Saw File To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 3:24 PM Thanks Steve, as I got one today. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chain Saw File Sure it would, Mike Steve In a message dated 11/19/2008 3:18:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, mlmarmer@msn. com writes: I need to make a 3/16" notch in the plastic tubes I got for the ballpark lights. In searching google for round files, I found a round 3/16 file that is used on chain saws. I know nothing about chain saws, but if someone does know something about these chain saw files, could you let me know if this would work in making a notch in the plastic tubes. Thanks for all the replies about the dirt question I had. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51081	From: boblines51	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: link coupler spacers

I have seen round cardboard tubes over the link couplers when in the box to protect the coupler.Does any one have any of these that you could measure for me.I have a picture of some of them but can't tell what size they are. Thanks Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51082	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4261

> > Have not read a report on S-Fest this past weekend. Thought I would > > give my perspective as a Frequent Attender of S-Fests since 1998. > > I thought the trading area was great. The aisles were plenty wide > enough, the lighting was more than adequate, and everyone was in the > > same room. There were items from the cheap to the extravagant to be Yhanks for the up date > Prices varied greatly, but again that depended on the quality and > rarity of the item sought. There was plenty of S-Helper new product > > available and the Showcase team had a portable layout and products > to > sell. American Models was well represented with Ron and son ably > manning their tables. Dealers ranged from John Heck, Ron Durst, John > > Wickland,Don Heimberger the Vanacores and Clarks. > > Thanks to Al Baker I can report on the layout tours. All of the > layout > hosts were extremely helpful and shared their homes and their > knowledge. I especially enjoyed meeting Brad Nelson and Ron > Schlicht. > Al Baker transported another S-Gauger and I to 5 layouts with help > from > his Garmin navigator. Several useful tips were imparted and seeing > layouts that have been featured in magazines was great. > > I only attended two clinics. The repair clinic by John Heck was > helpful > and the questions from the audience provided even more information. > Al > Baker's slide show and presentation on modifying AF Engines got me > enthused to try some decaling and modifying of Atlantic engines. > > I didn't attend the banquet so can't comment on the festivities > Saturday evening. I do like the Convention Car and brought home > extras > for some local guys who could not attend. > > Thanks to the Badgerland S Gaugers for a Great Weekend in Milwaukee > > Bill Hutton > > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2i4LFOV9NIR6hzNlQXHL8QpP0RZgAmKwqu1GDZT9Z7wfWyP/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51083	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chain Saw File

The other thing is a rat tail file is tapered, the chain saw file is not. Mike In a message dated 11/19/2008 7:09:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ecphora123@... writes: Mike a chain saw file is round on all sides and is intended to sharpen rather than remove a large amount of material quickly. I may have missed the part about what shape notch you are attempting to make, but if it is round a simple rat tail file would be fine. Certainly a few lite quick passes would be sufficient (rat tails remove more material than chain saw files, so go slow). If you are making a shallow notch, stick with the chain saw one. You don't want to leave a ragged edge on the cut surface. Problem is, I believe most chain saw files are a bit on the long side. Awkward to handle on a small work piece. Also, what diameter is the notch? Again, that will obviously determine the size of the file. By the way, some hardware stores sell inexpensive sets of files that come in a plastic sleeve. These are usually found in a discount bin. There are usually several shapes included in the pack. These files while inexpensive are fine for light duty work. Hope this helps, Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51084	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals

Are you aware that the American Models Budd passenger cars (the obs, coach and diner) are actually scaled-up IHC HO cars that are Crusader prototype cars? The less-than-full-length of the prototype cars was an incentive to model them. Now, all you need is the Champ decal set for the Crusader pass. cars, enlarge it, then make photocopier decals from them. YOU WIN! You also have to scrounge around for TOMAR drumheads, and you're pretty complete. Also, ya gotta find a way to come up with 2 coaches, 2 obs cars, a diner, and get rid of the other cars in the set. Steve ____________________________________________________________ Rock Solid Web Hosting. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbuxWy2rRUdrCbBN5t6uXUBW1XwIAuspruGflMUCD19HS3z5J/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51085	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: BLANTANT AD FOR SMOKE FLUID & FUNNELS

OK, It's that time of year!!! Smoke Fluid 4 oz for $10 + $3.00 shipping Funnels $2.50 ea shipping included, 2+ funnels after the 1st $2.00 ea Smoke fluid & Funnel $15 shipping included Mike S CHECKS, MO's & PayPal Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51086	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: chain saw file

Thanks to all who relied to my question. The file did exactly what I wanted it to do. Ballpark lights are being made right now. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51087	From: David Engle	Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals

Do you mean that the prototype cars were also actually SHORT cars? I never noticed that in photos. Have plans for these prototype cars ever been published? DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: <schwartzsj@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Reading Passenger Decals > Are you aware that the American Models Budd passenger cars (the obs, coach > and diner) are actually scaled-up IHC HO cars that are Crusader prototype > cars? The less-than-full-length of the prototype cars was an incentive to > model them. Now, all you need is the Champ decal set for the Crusader > pass. cars, enlarge it, then make photocopier decals from them. YOU WIN! > You also have to scrounge around for TOMAR drumheads, and you're pretty > complete. Also, ya gotta find a way to come up with 2 coaches, 2 obs > cars, a diner, and get rid of the other cars in the set. > > Steve > > ____________________________________________________________ > Rock Solid Web Hosting. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbuxWy2rRUdrCbBN5t6uXUBW1XwIAuspruGflMUCD19HS3z5J/ > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51088	From: william cole	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals --now RDG crusader

a pretty easy prototype set from stuff that is available! 2 AM FP-7's, 5 AM streamlone cars, 2 observations, 2 coaches, 1 diner...add paint and lettering and imagine that (Gasp!), no added tooling costs....now if one wants the streamline steam locomotive, could the PRR streamline pacific from AM be modified or even close (wheelbase, etc?).... Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "...Tis the set of the sail and not the gale Which determines the way they go. ...." -EWW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) --- On Wed, 11/19/08, David Engle <RIRocket@...> wrote: > From: David Engle <RIRocket@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Reading Passenger Decals > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 9:08 PM > Do you mean that the prototype cars were also actually SHORT > cars? I never > noticed that in photos. Have plans for these prototype > cars ever been > published? DJE > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <schwartzsj@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Reading Passenger Decals > > > > Are you aware that the American Models Budd passenger > cars (the obs, coach > > and diner) are actually scaled-up IHC HO cars that are > Crusader prototype > > cars? The less-than-full-length of the prototype cars > was an incentive to > > model them. Now, all you need is the Champ decal set > for the Crusader > > pass. cars, enlarge it, then make photocopier decals > from them. YOU WIN! > > You also have to scrounge around for TOMAR drumheads, > and you're pretty > > complete. Also, ya gotta find a way to come up with 2 > coaches, 2 obs > > cars, a diner, and get rid of the other cars in the > set. > > > > Steve > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Rock Solid Web Hosting. Click Here. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbuxWy2rRUdrCbBN5t6uXUBW1XwIAuspruGflMUCD19HS3z5J/ > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51089	From: G C	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals

Could a Reading Crusader steam locomotive be in some S manufacturer's plans? That would be totally awesome. I doubt it will happen, but I can dream! Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51090	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals

/dave: Yup. One reason I know this is when 85 foot coaches from the M&StL became available, the Reading went shopping (like most of us, looking for bargains), and found them just a tad too long. I'm mot sure of exterior views, but interior plans were published in a Car Builder's Dictionary not too long after the Crusader was built. They were reprinted in a Train Shed Cyclopedia (reprint of the CBD and Locomotive Cyclopedia). I also know somebody who has original linen drawings of the Crusader, plus there is a gentlaman in Reading who has O gauge drawings available drawn from Railroad diagram books. Again, the reason IHC did them was that they were true cars of not-full-length cars. Kinda like Athearn did when they did their RDC. Steve ____________________________________________________________ Click to find local singles for dating, romance and fun. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbvS1fz1Yi3qqxwwYNamLYk2HGh4EDjIj7mfsMFec5sshbqET/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51091	From: David Engle	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals

Part two: Did not the Crusader have 5 cars--an obs on each end, a diner in the middle, and a coach on each end of the diner between the obs/s? If that is the case, then there was no RPO-baggage. I vaguely remember something about NYC prototype, but not the same train Kaslo is working on. ----- Original Message ----- From: <schwartzsj@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Reading Passenger Decals > Are you aware that the American Models Budd passenger cars (the obs, coach > and diner) are actually scaled-up IHC HO cars that are Crusader prototype > cars? The less-than-full-length of the prototype cars was an incentive to > model them. Now, all you need is the Champ decal set for the Crusader > pass. cars, enlarge it, then make photocopier decals from them. YOU WIN! > You also have to scrounge around for TOMAR drumheads, and you're pretty > complete. Also, ya gotta find a way to come up with 2 coaches, 2 obs > cars, a diner, and get rid of the other cars in the set. > > Steve > > ____________________________________________________________ > Rock Solid Web Hosting. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbuxWy2rRUdrCbBN5t6uXUBW1XwIAuspruGflMUCD19HS3z5J/ > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51092	From: lember2004	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?

Hello, I would like to find out the length of the Tootsietoy racer that was one of the loads for the Gilbert AF 715 & 915 unloading flats. I've seen a variety of similar looking Tootsietoy racers of various lengths and am interesting in knowing what length came on the Gilbert flats. Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51093	From: Glenn	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader

David is correct. Here is a picture and description. http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=224271&nseq=0 Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Engle" <RIRocket@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 22:13 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Reading Passenger Decals > Part two: Did not the Crusader have 5 cars--an obs on each end, a diner > in > the middle, and a coach on each end of the diner between the obs/s? If > that > is the case, then there was no RPO-baggage. I vaguely remember something > about NYC prototype, but not the same train Kaslo is working on. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <schwartzsj@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Reading Passenger Decals > > >> Are you aware that the American Models Budd passenger cars (the obs, >> coach >> and diner) are actually scaled-up IHC HO cars that are Crusader >> prototype >> cars? The less-than-full-length of the prototype cars was an incentive >> to >> model them. Now, all you need is the Champ decal set for the Crusader >> pass. cars, enlarge it, then make photocopier decals from them. YOU WIN! >> You also have to scrounge around for TOMAR drumheads, and you're pretty >> complete. Also, ya gotta find a way to come up with 2 coaches, 2 obs >> cars, a diner, and get rid of the other cars in the set. >> >> Steve >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Rock Solid Web Hosting. Click Here. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbuxWy2rRUdrCbBN5t6uXUBW1XwIAuspruGflMUCD19HS3z5J/ >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51094	From: Glenn	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?

Hi Mark, At 3/16" scale it is 24'-6" bumper to bumper or actual 4 1/2". Wheelbase is 2 1/2". Not exactly S scale. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: lember2004 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:56 Subject: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader? Hello, I would like to find out the length of the Tootsietoy racer that was one of the loads for the Gilbert AF 715 & 915 unloading flats. I've seen a variety of similar looking Tootsietoy racers of various lengths and am interesting in knowing what length came on the Gilbert flats. Thanks! Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51095	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?

HI Thers is a 715 with race car on ebay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=370107815050 I am selling this it is all original. The Manoil Coupe and gas truck are much longer. I will be editing the sale because I found a 915 car and intend to offer all three pieces Tom tomminil@... -----Original Message----- From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:56 am Subject: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader? Hello, I would like to find out the length of the Tootsietoy racer that was one of the loads for the Gilbert AF 715 & 915 unloading flats. I've seen a variety of similar looking Tootsietoy racers of various lengths and am interesting in knowing what length came on the Gilbert flats. Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51096	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?

Bumper to bumper? The race car does not have bumpers. Are you getting confused with the coupe? All Gilbert S scale is approximate and many items such as Plasticville etc are nearer ¼ inch scale. But it’s a toy – Never forget that. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:06 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader? Hi Mark, At 3/16" scale it is 24'-6" bumper to bumper or actual 4 1/2". Wheelbase is 2 1/2". Not exactly S scale. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: lember2004 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:56 Subject: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader? Hello, I would like to find out the length of the Tootsietoy racer that was one of the loads for the Gilbert AF 715 & 915 unloading flats. I've seen a variety of similar looking Tootsietoy racers of various lengths and am interesting in knowing what length came on the Gilbert flats. Thanks! Mark ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg <http://www.avg.com> com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51097	From: Glenn	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?

I was incorrect. Those were Coupe dimensions. I never saw a race car as shown in Greenberg books. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 16:04 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader? Bumper to bumper? The race car does not have bumpers. Are you getting confused with the coupe? All Gilbert S scale is approximate and many items such as Plasticville etc are nearer ¼ inch scale. But it's a toy - Never forget that. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:06 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader? Hi Mark, At 3/16" scale it is 24'-6" bumper to bumper or actual 4 1/2". Wheelbase is 2 1/2". Not exactly S scale. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: lember2004 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:56 Subject: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader? Hello, I would like to find out the length of the Tootsietoy racer that was one of the loads for the Gilbert AF 715 & 915 unloading flats. I've seen a variety of similar looking Tootsietoy racers of various lengths and am interesting in knowing what length came on the Gilbert flats. Thanks! Mark ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg <http://www.avg.com> com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51098	From: David Engle	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals

Hmmm, that's good news in a way, the 6 M&St.L coaches ended up on Rock Island. I always thought the Athearn RDC-3 was one window shorter than the prototype. Please check me on this. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: <schwartzsj@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Reading Passenger Decals > /dave: > > Yup. One reason I know this is when 85 foot coaches from the M&StL became > available, the Reading went shopping (like most of us, looking for > bargains), and found them just a tad too long. I'm mot sure of exterior > views, but interior plans were published in a Car Builder's Dictionary not > too long after the Crusader was built. They were reprinted in a Train > Shed Cyclopedia (reprint of the CBD and Locomotive Cyclopedia). I also > know somebody who has original linen drawings of the Crusader, plus there > is a gentlaman in Reading who has O gauge drawings available drawn from > Railroad diagram books. > > Again, the reason IHC did them was that they were true cars of > not-full-length cars. Kinda like Athearn did when they did their RDC. > > Steve > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51099	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals

Dave: Here's the scoop on Athearn's RDC: The prototype RDC-1,2,3, and 9 are all full-length. However, the RDC-4, the all baggage and RPO version (only New Haven had them) was shorter, and this is the measurement Athearn used when they came up with their RDC's. So, the Athearn RDC's were correct prototype length, but for the RDC-4! Apparently, the Reading got hold of the M&StL's diagram sheet for those coaches, and they were checking things out. I understand that they were fully self-contained since they were actually trailers for Gas-electric cars. Don't really know why Reading passed on them, but I suspect that the length was one of the issues. Steve ____________________________________________________________ Paying too much for your business phone system? Click here to compare systems from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbwT02ImC5XP5pdKuTLFd8A4ZmuKlvYuIN90kMOypWrWcSLCT/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51100	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Lights Update

I had to order some plastic tubes that are a bit wider, as when I bunch up the wires from the actual light bulbs through the crossarm, shorten them first, and took a piece of 30 Gauge wire, this mass would not go into the tube. So, they should be here Monday as for a dollar more in shipping it would be 2 day mail, as it would be a week otherwise. I am also returning a 45 dollar wire cutter I got since I read it would work on 30 g wire. I know, a bit much for a wire cutter, but it claim to be one of the best. The one I got for 8 is fine, so I am returning it to Walters. I will say that I was shorten 3 packages of grain of wheat bulbs for my street lights, as the bulk ones do not fit as well and they took of me right away. I did get a suggestion from Joseph Lechner to make ladders for the lights, as they do have them on lights in the ballparks, minor league. When I go to Strasburg, PA this December I will get the wood I need, as it will be the same wood I used to make a ladder for the water tower. Plus, I will add platforms to each arm and railings. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51101	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Train Photo's

I have a friend who's grandfather worked for the PRR. She has a very old book of photos that her grand father had taken. The book is in rough shape with around 200 pages with a minimum of two photos per page. The Photos range in dates from 1900 through 1940's, all B&W. The photos are of various PRR engines and cars being built from the individual sheet metal pieces to the finished products. Several of these photos are marked as engineering diagrams with various measurements of the parts dimenions. Engines include various steamers, a GG1, and a streamline bullit train. The question is would anyone have any idea how much something like this is worth? She is trying to decide wether to sell it or donate it to a museum. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51102	From: John	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Lights Update

Will you have some pictures for us on the construction?? (grin) John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51103	From: lou342ac	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Advetisement

Noticed no S-Helper ads in the last two issues of Classic Toy Trains. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51104	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's

In a message dated 11/20/2008 9:13:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, pmcelroy@... writes: The question is would anyone have any idea how much something like this is worth? She is trying to decide wether to sell it or donate it to a museum. I would suggest contacting the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania @ 717-687-8628 and start by talking to David Dunn, Executive Director. Dave could point you in the right direction concerning donation and RRMPA would be the perfect home. Jim Lyle **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51105	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?

OK... THE TOOTSIETOY RACE CAR SCALES 19'-0"..... Front nose to rear tail.... x 7'6" wide at the wheels... Mine is Blue!!!! bob Conner -------------- Original message from "Glenn" <gartrain404@...>: -------------- I was incorrect. Those were Coupe dimensions. I never saw a race car as shown in Greenberg books. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 16:04 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader? Bumper to bumper? The race car does not have bumpers. Are you getting confused with the coupe? All Gilbert S scale is approximate and many items such as Plasticville etc are nearer ¼ inch scale. But it's a toy - Never forget that. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:06 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader? Hi Mark, At 3/16" scale it is 24'-6" bumper to bumper or actual 4 1/2". Wheelbase is 2 1/2". Not exactly S scale. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: lember2004 To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:56 Subject: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader? Hello, I would like to find out the length of the Tootsietoy racer that was one of the loads for the Gilbert AF 715 & 915 unloading flats. I've seen a variety of similar looking Tootsietoy racers of various lengths and am interesting in knowing what length came on the Gilbert flats. Thanks! Mark ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg <http://www.avg.com> com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51106	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: Advetisement

I believe I saw one in the latest issue. Was looking at it @ Borders. Mike In a message dated 11/20/2008 6:47:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lou342ac@... writes: Noticed no S-Helper ads in the last two issues of Classic Toy Trains. Lou Baldi **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51107	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's

Sounds like an interesting book, and an interesting question as to value. To determine value of an odd item, place it on ebay at a very high price and allow buyers to make offers. Ou are not required to assept he offer, unless they meet your price Tom -----Original Message----- From: Patrick McElroy <pmcelroy@...> To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 7:29 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Train Photo's I have a friend who's grandfather worked for the PRR. She has a very old book of photos that her grand father had taken. The book is in rough shape with around 200 pages with a minimum of two photos per page. The Photos range in dates from 1900 through 1940's, all B&W. The photos are of various PRR engines and cars being built from the individual sheet metal pieces to the finished products. Several of these photos are marked as engineering diagrams with various measurements of the parts dimenions. Engines include various steamers, a GG1, and a streamline bullit train. The question is would anyone have any idea how much something like this is worth? She is trying to decide wether to sell it or donate it to a museum. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51108	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's

Also there is the PRR Technical & Historical Society at www.prrths.com/ Do you know, I assume the pictures are quite small or have they been blown-up? Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/20/2008 9:13:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, > pmcelroy@... writes: > > The question is would anyone have any idea how much something like this is > worth? She is trying to decide wether to sell it or donate it to a museum. > > I would suggest contacting the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania @ 717-687-8628 > and start by talking to David Dunn, Executive Director. Dave could point you > in the right direction concerning donation and RRMPA would be the perfect > home. > > Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51109	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Lights Update

Hi John, I actually do. I will post them tomorrow. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lights Update Will you have some pictures for us on the construction?? (grin) John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51110	From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Ballpark light photos

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=141&&count=20&dir=asc I added pictures of the "rough" look at how the lights will look. The plastic will be painted Testor's Steel paint. I will make ladders and platforms behind the crossarms so that Hugo can get some under paid Ballpark employee to risk his life in changing any brunt out bulbs. The pole will be 12 to 13 inches high, so at 5.3 ft per inch, that is pretty high for a Marx figure. I had to order a wider upright pole as when I bunch up the wires for the bulbs, cut of course, they would not fit into the hole for the upright. The lights are design after the lights at Municipal Stadium in Hagerstown, MD, a low class A minor league park as they are a farm team for the Washington Nationals. This ballpark dates back to 1931 and is one of the oldest ballparks still in use in the minors. Willie Mays played at this stadium as a visitor. The road in front of the park is called "Willie Mays Avenue". Tonight I start to install the 29 street lights. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51111	From: Don	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: History Channel-Right now

Came on at 8:00 AM Eastern. Listed as Modern Marvels. Right now they're showing steam trains.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51112	From: william cole	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Passenger Decals

OR: RDC-1 (coach), RDC-2 (combine), RDC-3 (combine), and the unpowered coach trailers were 85' in length and RDC-4 was 73' in length http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd_Rail_Diesel_Car Bc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51113	From: G C	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's

I'm aware that folks want to make money, but these pics might be of real value to the PRT&HS. Maybe someone there should have first crack. So much stuff gets into private collections and then it is of little value from a history standpoint. Just my thoughts. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51114	From: G C	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ballpark light photos

Hey Mike, do you get a free tank of gas if the home run ball hits the Citgo sign? Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51115	From: John Degnan	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's

The only problem with this is that once the 'societies' get their hands on this stuff, the public can pretty much count it all loss unless they're willing to pay an arm and a leg to get access to it. I'm dealing with this same problem getting stuff for the road(s) I model... NOBODY is willing to help unless you're dripping money. Let the public have it... not the Historic Societies! John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "G C" <ecphora123@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Photo's > I'm aware that folks want to make money, but these pics might be of real value to the PRT&HS. Maybe someone there should have first crack. So much stuff gets into private collections and then it is of little value from a history standpoint. Just my thoughts. > > Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51116	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ballpark light photos

No, you get a free tank of gas if the ball hits Gabe, as there is repro Gabe next to the ballpark. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ballpark light photos Hey Mike, do you get a free tank of gas if the home run ball hits the Citgo sign? Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51117	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: BLANTANT AD FOR SMOKE FLUID & FUNNELS

how many can I get at $3.00 shipping? ____________________________________________________________ Free information on becoming a Graphic Designer. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3huHwlp2KYVGyMDYevETX28FHaSrvPGelj1LxHW4ISmw0GH/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51118	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's

I have three ideas. 1.  try selling on e-bay  (which I do not like)  to see if it has any potential value.  1a  an apraiser may give you its value.  but they have a charge for that.   2  Donate it.   but to what museun?   3  If they are photos that the grandfather took; how about using them         and publishing your own book. --- On Thu, 11/20/08, Patrick McElroy <pmcelroy@...> wrote: From: Patrick McElroy <pmcelroy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Train Photo's To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 7:29 PM I have a friend who's grandfather worked for the PRR. She has a very old book of photos that her grand father had taken. The book is in rough shape with around 200 pages with a minimum of two photos per page. The Photos range in dates from 1900 through 1940's, all B&W. The photos are of various PRR engines and cars being built from the individual sheet metal pieces to the finished products. Several of these photos are marked as engineering diagrams with various measurements of the parts dimenions. Engines include various steamers, a GG1, and a streamline bullit train. The question is would anyone have any idea how much something like this is worth? She is trying to decide wether to sell it or donate it to a museum. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51119	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: BLANTANT AD FOR SMOKE FLUID & FUNNELS

how many what? In a message dated 11/21/2008 6:59:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, n9guy@... writes: how many can I get at $3.00 shipping?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51120	From: William Porter	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's

Hey John, Are you a member of the NMRA? Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Degnan Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:42 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; toytrains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Photo's The only problem with this is that once the 'societies' get their hands on this stuff, the public can pretty much count it all loss unless they're willing to pay an arm and a leg to get access to it. I'm dealing with this same problem getting stuff for the road(s) I model... NOBODY is willing to help unless you're dripping money. Let the public have it... not the Historic Societies! John Degnan Scaler164@comcast. <mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net> net ----- Original Message ----- From: "G C" <ecphora123@yahoo. <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com>; <toytrains@yahoogrou <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Photo's > I'm aware that folks want to make money, but these pics might be of real value to the PRT&HS. Maybe someone there should have first crack. So much stuff gets into private collections and then it is of little value from a history standpoint. Just my thoughts. > > Gene Cimino _ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51121	From: William Porter	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: Ballpark light photos

I suppose that is a scale tank? Lets see, 128 fluid ounces in a gallon. A 10 gallon fill up (small car - or double it for a pickup) would be 1280 fluid ounces. Divide by 64 cubed (262144) yields .005 ounces. You should be able to afford a season of that for not too much. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ballpark light photos No, you get a free tank of gas if the ball hits Gabe, as there is repro Gabe next to the ballpark. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ballpark light photos Hey Mike, do you get a free tank of gas if the home run ball hits the Citgo sign? Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51122	From: G C	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photo's

John, I see your point. Historical society dues can be a bit expensive and their publications aren't cheap. They have to deal with financial issues resulting from limited membership numbers. On the other hand, when items wind up in private hands how will that help folks like you or I who want access. I'm just questioning your use of the term public. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51123	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: Ballpark light photos

Bill, But the people in my town are S scale too!!!! So, you theory does not work here. O:)! Nice work on it however. Tonight the town get lit up with the A&p sign!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: William Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Ballpark light photos I suppose that is a scale tank? Lets see, 128 fluid ounces in a gallon. A 10 gallon fill up (small car - or double it for a pickup) would be 1280 fluid ounces. Divide by 64 cubed (262144) yields .005 ounces. You should be able to afford a season of that for not too much. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ballpark light photos No, you get a free tank of gas if the ball hits Gabe, as there is repro Gabe next to the ballpark. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ballpark light photos Hey Mike, do you get a free tank of gas if the home run ball hits the Citgo sign? Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51124	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: Train Photos

Hi all, I have a real issue with the statement, "Let the public have it... not the Historic Societies!" Private ownership is not "The public" it is private ownership, which ofetn fall into "It's MINE and no one else can have it" until the person dies, and the family, who could care less, tosses it into the dumpster--this has happened, more than once to rather well-known photo collections! Historic Societies usually offer their material up for research; yes sometimes they do charge as some of them have no "sugar daddy" to support them. Many also publish the information as magaizine articles or books. There is a much better chance that these photos will be studied and researched in the hands of a society than there is if they are put up at eBay. Check to see what the policies are of various societies, and then donate them to the one that seems to follow your standards best. This albums sounds like a real treasure trove of information on how things were done in the shop. A rare glimpse into the past. S' David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51125	From: e2picasso	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: American Flyer 'PLUS' by Mayfield & Platz, 1978

anybody know what this is worth?? published 1978 thanks Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51126	From: jim patterson	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: 650 & lights

121 Nov. '08 Hi. I to have several of the 650 P-Cars. They were not configured for lighting. I suppose they could be. But! I'm not! AF built them w/o lights. --- On Mon, 11/17/08, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] 650 & lights > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:48 PM > I always thought the 650 cars ALL had lighted interiors. > > I just came across some that did not have any lights. > > and looking at the trucks the wheels are all plastic. > > Riverossi has a kit for lighting cars. It has wipers for > the axels > > but you also needs metal wheels. > > tThere is acompany which has a kit for cabooses, I just > forgot their > name, they are (were ) in Benton Harbor. > > are there any other kits out there? > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51127	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: blatant Ad

I have the TCA Flyonel 2008 Convention 2-pack for sale. 6-48267 and 48268 Rutland box cars, with Gilbert numbers 986 and 24040 respectively. Mint in box, and will be shipped in original mfr. box. $230 includes shipping. Thank you. John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51128	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/23/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51129	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: 650s and lights

Hi all, The 650/950 coaches had many variations. The lighted ones came red, maroon, and green, some with silhouettes, most without. The unlighted ones came with glued in windows and sometimes with just a piece of clear plastic rolled in the car (like a U shape, upside down). They all had a base with provision for the lamp socket, so one could "upgrade" their car, if so desired. Also variations included die cast floor, stamped metal floor and plastic floor! Gee, one could have a collection of just the passenger cars, almost like caboose variations!! :) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51130	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Re: New Downtown Deco S Scale kit?

Hello Downtowndeco! Thanks for thinking of S scalers. We miss you in S scale. The kit looks interesting but a bit too whimsical for me. I was very satisfied with your Ace Auto Parts kit which I purchased and would be interested in a larger version. Thanks. Paul S. In a message dated 11/18/2008 4:31:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, downtowndeco@... writes: Every time I do a train show I get guys asking me if I'm ever going to do another S scale kit. Well, here's your chance. If I can get at least 100 pre-orders for this design I'll go ahead & start cutting the patterns in S Scale. Price TBA but figure around $120.00. No deposit required, all I'll need is your contact info. If this looks like something you'd like me to do please speak up, otherwise I'll move on to my next HO or O project. Take a look. Cheers! _http://www.kitforumhttp://www.kitfohttp://&t=t=<W_ (http://www.kitforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1252) Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco _downtowndeco@downtowndec_ (mailto:downtowndeco@...) 406-273-0942 **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51131	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Trainstuff LLC Stuff For Sale

GUYS: I have four Trainstuff LLC out-of-production building kits for sale that were originally produced by the now-defunct Trainstuff LLC. The kits are NIB. I broke the manufacturer's seals just to get the footprints for this offer. Trainstuff LLC dubbed these kits as their "downtown" series. These models no longer fit my layout theme, and I'd also like to free up some space on my "round tuit" kit shelves in the garage. This is a package offer of all four for $110 including shipping. Since Trainstuff LLC went out of business over three-years-ago, some of you might not be familiar with their structures. Here's a brief overview with kit-by-kit details to follow. All Trainstuff kits are mostly cast resin with some miscellaneous styrene for roofs and trim. With the novice model-builder in mind, Dayna, the past-owner of Trainstuff LLC, designed the kits to be geometrically easier than any common craftsman kit. The kits go together easily with five-minute epoxy and/or superglue. They do require a lot of cleaning/dressing to rid the larger pieces and windows of casting-mold residue. This is not difficult using a sanding block/emery board and Xacto #11 blade. No Trainstuff LLC kits had material for intermediate floors/ceilings. This is easily rectified with some 3/16"x3/16 styrene/basswood for support and styrene/cardboard sheet stock for the floors/ceilings. ARTHER ARMS A four-story art deco brick building. Most appropriate for a storefront on the first floor with upscale apartments on the top three. Scale footprint=24'x31'. Instructions included. SIEGEL BUILDING A four-story brick building. This could be an apartment building or an office building. Scale footprint=23'x31.5'. Instructions included. LIVINGSTONE TOWER A four-story brick building. Design seems to be for a storefront on the first floor with offices on the top three floors. Kit includes a nice pre-printed sheet of window glazing with printed business names for each front window. Scale footprint=24'x29'. Instructions included. VOLLANO VISTAS A four-story cast iron and brick building. I'd guess a bank on the first floor and offices on the remaining three. This was the last of the four in the series and is a bit fancier with the cast iron front facade. Kit includes a nice pre-printed color sheet of window glazing with business names for each front window. Scale footprint=24'x29'. Instructions included. Please respond off-list to cujoacat@.... Earliest response gets these four pieces of S history. Any on-list responses will be deleted. Kits shipped when check clears or immediately with a money order. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51132	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Life Magazine Photos on Google

I just watched a short video on the internet about Life magazine in the process of releasing millions of photos for the public to enjoy. Those already listed are by subject, one of them being railroads. You can access by going to http://images.google.com/hosted/life Near the bottom you can click on railroads. Lots of neat photos taken over the years by Life photographers. acgilbertguy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51133	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/23/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51134	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Bud Passengers

Hello All! Any suggestions for seated passengers for AM Budd cars. Anyone using HO size? Thanks ahead of time Dave.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51135	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Trainstuff LLC

The four Trainstuff LLC kits are sold. The early bird gets the scale worm. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51136	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers

Hi Dave, Two ways come to mind right away. First is the MTH figures which come 100 to a bag and are reasonably priced, but unpainted. They aren't easy to come by, but keep looking. The other is from AM itself. They have a series of people that work out rather well. Check out their website, and new catalog. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, YardMasterModels@... wrote: > > Hello All! > > Any suggestions for seated passengers for AM Budd cars. Anyone using HO size? Thanks ahead of time Dave. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51137	From: lember2004	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Re: length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader?

Thanks for the replies to my question! 19' scale makes the racer 3 & 9/16" long. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rcon7@... wrote: > > OK... THE TOOTSIETOY RACE CAR SCALES 19'-0"..... Front nose to rear tail.... x 7'6" wide at the wheels... Mine is Blue!!!! bob Conner > -------------- Original message from "Glenn" <gartrain404@...>: --- ----------- > > I was incorrect. Those were > Coupe dimensions. I never saw > a race car as shown in Greenberg books. > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alistair McAllister > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 16:04 > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car unloader? > > Bumper to bumper? The race car does not have bumpers. Are you getting > confused with the coupe? All Gilbert S scale is approximate and many items > such as Plasticville etc are nearer ¼ inch scale. But it's a toy - Never > forget that. Alistair > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Glenn > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:06 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 > car unloader? > > Hi Mark, At 3/16" scale it is 24'-6" > bumper to bumper or actual > 4 1/2". Wheelbase is 2 1/2". > Not exactly S scale. Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lember2004 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:56 > Subject: [S-Trains] length of Tootsietoy racer for Gilbert AF 715/915 car > unloader? > > Hello, I would like to find out the length of the Tootsietoy racer > that was one of the loads for the Gilbert AF 715 & 915 unloading > flats. I've seen a variety of similar looking Tootsietoy racers of > various lengths and am interesting in knowing what length came on the > Gilbert flats. Thanks! Mark > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg <http://www.avg.com> com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 > 8:58 AM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51138	From: downtowndeco	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Seriously, should I do this kit in S Scale?

After I posted this last week I got a handful of "Yes, I'd buy one of those if you do it" responses, but that was about it, only a handful. Seriously, if I don't get at least 100 semi confirmed orders for this project in S Scale I won't bother to take the time to cut the patterns. Once again. Would you like to see this kit produced in S Scale? If so, let me know. It would retail in the $120.00 range. http://www.kitforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1252 I'm not looking for any reservation money or anything like that up front & if you change your mind by the time it's released, that's ok, I won't hold you to it. But if you think you'd probably buy one of these if I did it, you gotta let me know, or otherwise I won't waste my time doing it. Thanks for your time. Cheers! Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco downtowndeco@... PS. I don't really know the S Scale network that well so if those of you that do could forward this to other lists that would be great

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51139	From: Glenn	Date: 11/23/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers

MTH made 3/16" people for the passenger station action unit and sold the people separately. They were in blister packs at hobby shops but may be sold out. I will post my heavyweights as soon as they are finished. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: YardMasterModels@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 17:23 Subject: [S-Trains] Bud Passengers Hello All! Any suggestions for seated passengers for AM Budd cars. Anyone using HO size? Thanks ahead of time Dave. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1807 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 10:59 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51140	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 11/24/2008
Subject: Styrene Veneers...

While browsing through my latest edition of "Model Railroad News" I happened to spot what appeared to be an interesting web site. It's more than interesting; it's a bonanza for styrene veneers. Within the past few weeks, I bought some styrene concrete block sheet stock, made in the UK, that was billed as compatible with OO. This product comes from a company called Wills and is exactly 8" x 16" in S. The site I'm now recommending, Applied Imagination http://www.aiii.info/ , doesn't stock 1:64 styrene, but they do stock 1:72 which is compatible with OO and darn close to S. They have an amazing variety of textured sheet stock. I'd be interested in any feedback from anyone who sees a need and buys some of these sheets. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51141	From: Ed	Date: 11/24/2008
Subject: FW: {S-Scale List} Fw: Seriously. Should I do this kit in S Scale? :

Hi All' This was posted on the S-Scale list and I am forwarding this to our list. Ed Eckert -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hawley Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 5:39 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: {S-Scale List} Fw: Seriously. Should I do this kit in S Scale? : ) ----- Original Message ----- Reply Directly to [From] : downtowndeco To: Sn3@yahoogroups. <mailto:Sn3%40yahoogroups.com> com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: [Sn3] Seriously. Should I do this kit in S Scale? : ) After I posted this last week I got a handful of "Yes, I'd buy one of those if you do it" responses, but that was about it, only a handful. Seriously, if I don't get at least 100 semi confirmed orders for this project in S Scale I won't bother to take the time to cut the patterns. Once again. Would you like to see this kit produced in S Scale? If so, let me know. It would retail in the $120.00 range. http://www.kitforum <http://www.kitforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1252> s.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1252 I'm not looking for any reservation money or anything like that up front & if you change your mind by the time it's released, that's ok, I won't hold you to it. But if you think you'd probably buy one of these if I did it, you gotta let me know, or otherwise I won't waste my time doing it. Thanks for your time. Cheers! Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco downtowndeco@ <mailto:downtowndeco%40montana.com> montana.com PS. I don't really know the S Scale network that well so if those of you that do could forward this to other lists that would be great [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51142	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 11/24/2008
Subject: Noisy GP7 #372

Hello, I pose a question concerning a loud buzz out of a GP7. I have a 370 which is pretty quiet when even sitting on track with current turned up. The 372 runs around but as mentioned is very noisy. If I remove shell then it runs quietly. I am wondering if the shell becomes an amplifier for some reason or could possibly be touching the frame causing the buzzing. Barry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51143	From: Glenn	Date: 11/24/2008
Subject: READING PASSENGER CARS

The Reading Company Passenger cars are ready for our Christmas visitors. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONYCREEKPASSENGER.html It took 2 months for Williams to brew the Scalecoat Pullman Green. Someday I will add interior lighting. Don't give up on custom passenger cars. Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51144	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/24/2008
Subject: Re: READING PASSENGER CARS

Glenn,   The cars  are beautiful. I also love the Reading Pacific in the photos. Obviously, you have some talent. Where did the decals come from?   Regards, Nick Kulp --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Glenn <gartrain404@...> wrote: From: Glenn <gartrain404@...> Subject: [S-Trains] READING PASSENGER CARS To: "A/S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "A/S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:54 PM The Reading Company Passenger cars are ready for our Christmas visitors. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONYCREEKPASSENGER.html It took 2 months for Williams to brew the Scalecoat Pullman Green. Someday I will add interior lighting. Don't give up on custom passenger cars. Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51145	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 11/24/2008
Subject: Re: Noisy GP7 #372

Barry,   What is happening is the loose fit of the shell, makes the buzzing louder. If you put some foam between the frame and the shell at a few spots. The buzz will practically disappear because the shell no longer rattles against the metal frame.   Nick Kulp --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Barry Jamison <bjamison330@...> wrote: From: Barry Jamison <bjamison330@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Noisy GP7 #372 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:00 PM Hello, I pose a question concerning a loud buzz out of a GP7. I have a 370 which is pretty quiet when even sitting on track with current turned up. The 372 runs around but as mentioned is very noisy. If I remove shell then it runs quietly. I am wondering if the shell becomes an amplifier for some reason or could possibly be touching the frame causing the buzzing. Barry ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51146	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: READING PASSENGER CARS

Nice work, Glenn. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: A/S-Trains ; A/S-Scale Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] READING PASSENGER CARS The Reading Company Passenger cars are ready for our Christmas visitors. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONYCREEKPASSENGER.html It took 2 months for Williams to brew the Scalecoat Pullman Green. Someday I will add interior lighting. Don't give up on custom passenger cars. Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51147	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: SHS dealers please contact us...

I am sorry for the off topic post, but we would like any of our current dealers who are on these groups to contact us regarding an upcoming promotion. Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. www.showcaseline.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51148	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: A Fable in 1:64

Something happened this AM that, while widely gossiped about, I never thought I'd witness. Recently, on my behalf, one the guys in the local HOE/N club put out an e-mail to their members asking if anyone would be interested in buying a HOE kit once I'd replicated the structure via an "up-vert" to S. This AM I saw an e-mail from one of the N guys, and I thought, "Oh, boy, we're in business." NOT! This N guy wants to explore converting to S due to the usual eye-hand-coordination issues we hear about so often. So, it does happen; there is a Santa Claus. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51149	From: mike rosz	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} Fw: Seriously. Should I do this kit in S Scal

I would like to see photos.   Fire escapes?   I only have farm and one story houses is S.   HO I have 'grandmas house.' two story.  does it need a fire escape  --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Ed <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: Ed <ejenterp@...> Subject: [S-Trains] FW: {S-Scale List} Fw: Seriously. Should I do this kit in S Scale? : ) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 10:30 AM Hi All' This was posted on the S-Scale list and I am forwarding this to our list. Ed Eckert -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups .com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of Tom Hawley Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 5:39 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups .com Subject: {S-Scale List} Fw: Seriously. Should I do this kit in S Scale? : ) ----- Original Message ----- Reply Directly to [From] : downtowndeco To: Sn3@yahoogroups. <mailto:Sn3% 40yahoogroups. com> com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: [Sn3] Seriously. Should I do this kit in S Scale? : ) After I posted this last week I got a handful of "Yes, I'd buy one of those if you do it" responses, but that was about it, only a handful. Seriously, if I don't get at least 100 semi confirmed orders for this project in S Scale I won't bother to take the time to cut the patterns. Once again. Would you like to see this kit produced in S Scale? If so, let me know. It would retail in the $120.00 range. http://www.kitforum <http://www.kitforum s.com/viewtopic. php?f=6&t= 1252> s.com/viewtopic. php?f=6&t= 1252 I'm not looking for any reservation money or anything like that up front & if you change your mind by the time it's released, that's ok, I won't hold you to it. But if you think you'd probably buy one of these if I did it, you gotta let me know, or otherwise I won't waste my time doing it. Thanks for your time. Cheers! Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco downtowndeco@ <mailto:downtowndec o%40montana. com> montana.com PS. I don't really know the S Scale network that well so if those of you that do could forward this to other lists that would be great [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51150	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Big Boy

Just got a note from Charles Ro on the Big Boy.... "Lionel is behind I would speculate February /March " Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51151	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Steam Linkages

I'm curious if anyone knows what plating Gilbert used on the steam linkages tin plate or nickel plate? I ask since I've had some real different results when I've cleaned and polished. On some engines the linkage polishes up like a mirror and on other engines of similar vintage the linkage polishes up "OK" but not as brilliant as others. Is it just a variation in plating quality from batch to batch or did Gilbert change the type of plate they used? I would expect a nickel plate to polish up brighter than a tin plate. Anybody know which one Gilbert used?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51152	From: Mike	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: The Mansion

Was at the Cal-Stewart TTOS/TCA meet in Pasadena last week. We went to The Mansion in Pasadena and saw the most spectacular S gauge layout imagineable. Probably 20' x 50' and magnificent. It was done in the same style as the American Flyer factory layout to give you an idea but MUCH better! There were American Flyers Challengers, Northerns, a Triplex and standard items as well. All diesels hummed with ball bearings keeping everything turning so smoothly. Fantastic toy train layout. Hope to get some photos and will post. I have never seen a layout like this! The home in which it is in is equally spectacular. It has been used in Hollywood movies.....what a time. It was the best. Anyone been there? Very best, Mike Spanier Chicago

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51153	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Noisy GP7 #372

Nick, Thanks for the insight. I suspected something obviously with shell but it seemed snug. I'll have to find thin foam that I can wedge into the shell. Thanks again for the tip. Barry Jamison --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > Barry, >   > What is happening is the loose fit of the shell, makes the buzzing louder. If you put some foam between the frame and the shell at a few spots. The buzz will practically disappear because the shell no longer rattles against the metal frame. >   > Nick Kulp > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Barry Jamison <bjamison330@...> wrote: > > From: Barry Jamison <bjamison330@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Noisy GP7 #372 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:00 PM > > Hello, > I pose a question concerning a loud buzz out of a GP7. I have a 370 > which is pretty quiet when even sitting on track with current turned > up. The 372 runs around but as mentioned is very noisy. If I remove > shell then it runs quietly. I am wondering if the shell becomes an > amplifier for some reason or could possibly be touching the frame > causing the buzzing. > > Barry > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51154	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: READING PASSENGER CARS

Glenn, I second Nick's comments. The cars look great! Barry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" <gartrain404@...> wrote: > > The Reading Company Passenger cars > are ready for our Christmas visitors. > http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONYCREEKPASSENGER.html > > It took 2 months for Williams to > brew the Scalecoat Pullman Green. > Someday I will add interior lighting. > > Don't give up on custom passenger cars. > > Glenn > http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51155	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Noisy GP7 #372

How about the foam weather stripping for doors? mike In a message dated 11/25/2008 4:23:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, bjamison330@... writes: Nick, Thanks for the insight. I suspected something obviously with shell but it seemed snug. I'll have to find thin foam that I can wedge into the shell. Thanks again for the tip. Barry Jamison --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Nick Kulp <cornwall9@.co> wrote: > > Barry, > > What is happening is the loose fit of the shell, makes the buzzing louder. If you put some foam between the frame and the shell at a few spots. The buzz will practically disappear because the shell no longer rattles against the metal frame. > > Nick Kulp > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Barry Jamison <bjamison330@bja> wrote: > > From: Barry Jamison <bjamison330@bja> > Subject: [S-Trains] Noisy GP7 #372 > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:00 PM > > Hello, > I pose a question concerning a loud buzz out of a GP7. I have a 370 > which is pretty quiet when even sitting on track with current turned > up. The 372 runs around but as mentioned is very noisy. If I remove > shell then it runs quietly. I am wondering if the shell becomes an > amplifier for some reason or could possibly be touching the frame > causing the buzzing. > > Barry > > > ------------ -------- -------- ----- > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale.http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) ! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51156	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: SHS dealers please contact us...

hi Don, does the funnel order count? lol Mike In a message dated 11/25/2008 4:20:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, don@... writes: I am sorry for the off topic post, but we would like any of our current dealers who are on these groups to contact us regarding an upcoming promotion. Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. www.showcaseline.www **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51157	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Linkages

Some were cadmium plated and are duller. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Daryl Olszeski Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:25 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Steam Linkages I'm curious if anyone knows what plating Gilbert used on the steam linkages tin plate or nickel plate? I ask since I've had some real different results when I've cleaned and polished. On some engines the linkage polishes up like a mirror and on other engines of similar vintage the linkage polishes up "OK" but not as brilliant as others. Is it just a variation in plating quality from batch to batch or did Gilbert change the type of plate they used? I would expect a nickel plate to polish up brighter than a tin plate. Anybody know which one Gilbert used? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51158	From: Jim King	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Our next S scale car will be ...

. the Southern 1951 wood rack rebuild (from 1928-30 boxcars) by Spencer Shops. The attached photo shows a car about to be released from this program. Separate kits will be offered with Roman (1951 to late 60s) and Block fonts (early 60s to retirement in late 70s), with and without trucks/couplers, but including decals regardless of t/c option. Target retail price is $70 with t/c, $60 without. Kits will be comprised of a 1-pc body with separate underframe casting and a small sheet of misc. details, SHS trucks, 802 couplers, Rail Graphics decals, Grandt and Tichy detail parts. Please contact me off-list with your reservations. No deposit required. Target release date is late December/early January. Currently in the works: 1. GE 70-tonner in both early and late versions .. due early 2009. 2. Info is being collected to produce an NE ("Northeastern") caboose, a very popular car on the Reading and WM and countless shortlines after the "big guys" spun them off; 3. B&O I-5c or d cab; 4. B&O wagontop box (info gathering is complete); 5. SAL B-7 roundroof box (info gathering is complete); 6. Modern modelers will be pleased to know that a TTX bulkhead flat (old HO Ambroid/QC kit) and the 1980 RailGon are on the to-do list for next year. Gonna be a busy 2009! Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51159	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Linkages (This May Work)

ELECTROPLATING COMPOUND, NICKEL Uses current from any 3 to 6 volt D.C. supply or batteries. Plating brush connects to positive voltage and part being plated connects to negative. Brush (S-F225)sold separately. Uses current from any 3 to 6 volt D.C. supply or batteries. Plating brush connects to positive voltage and part being plated connects to negative. Brush (S-F225)sold separately. _Click here to download a PDF version of the instructions_ (http://www.tubesandmore.com/cemirror/electroplating_instructions.pdf) $12.95 Qty In a message dated 11/25/2008 6:56:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, alizoo@... writes: Some were cadmium plated and are duller. Alistair _____ From: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of Daryl Olszeski Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:25 AM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [S-Trains] Steam Linkages I'm curious if anyone knows what plating Gilbert used on the steam linkages tin plate or nickel plate? I ask since I've had some real different results when I've cleaned and polished. On some engines the linkage polishes up like a mirror and on other engines of similar vintage the linkage polishes up "OK" but not as brilliant as others. Is it just a variation in plating quality from batch to batch or did Gilbert change the type of plate they used? I would expect a nickel plate to polish up brighter than a tin plate. Anybody know which one Gilbert used? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51160	From: Bill Drake	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Steam Linkages

I think the early postwar linkages were chrome and as cost cutting or shortages from the Korean war came in the plating went to cadmium. Late stuff like Casey Jones may be tin.   Bill Drake --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Steam Linkages To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 8:41 PM Some were cadmium plated and are duller. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Daryl Olszeski Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:25 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Steam Linkages I'm curious if anyone knows what plating Gilbert used on the steam linkages tin plate or nickel plate? I ask since I've had some real different results when I've cleaned and polished. On some engines the linkage polishes up like a mirror and on other engines of similar vintage the linkage polishes up "OK" but not as brilliant as others. Is it just a variation in plating quality from batch to batch or did Gilbert change the type of plate they used? I would expect a nickel plate to polish up brighter than a tin plate. Anybody know which one Gilbert used? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51161	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Our next S scale car will be ...

Hey Jim,  Just to let you know that the picture link did not come through. everybody on the list will be a bitchen because they don't have a pictureof the new car you announced on the group list                                             Just being friendly,                                                                        Alan Lambert --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote: From: Jim King <jimking3@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Our next S scale car will be ... To: donald_macdougall@..., "Fred Tolhurst" <GFTolhurst@...>, "Greg Elems" <gelems@...>, "Jim Schall" <schallj@...>, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...>, "Pieter Roos" <nepete7@...>, "Stan Furmanak" <furmanak@...>, " Stan Stokrocki" <sscale@...>, RPM-forum@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, SSPM@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Southern Modeler" <SOUTHERNmodeler@yahoogroups.com>, STMFC@egroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 7:37 PM . the Southern 1951 wood rack rebuild (from 1928-30 boxcars) by Spencer Shops. The attached photo shows a car about to be released from this program. Separate kits will be offered with Roman (1951 to late 60s) and Block fonts (early 60s to retirement in late 70s), with and without trucks/couplers, but including decals regardless of t/c option. Target retail price is $70 with t/c, $60 without. Kits will be comprised of a 1-pc body with separate underframe casting and a small sheet of misc. details, SHS trucks, 802 couplers, Rail Graphics decals, Grandt and Tichy detail parts. Please contact me off-list with your reservations. No deposit required. Target release date is late December/early January. Currently in the works: 1. GE 70-tonner in both early and late versions .. due early 2009. 2. Info is being collected to produce an NE ("Northeastern" ) caboose, a very popular car on the Reading and WM and countless shortlines after the "big guys" spun them off; 3. B&O I-5c or d cab; 4. B&O wagontop box (info gathering is complete); 5. SAL B-7 roundroof box (info gathering is complete); 6. Modern modelers will be pleased to know that a TTX bulkhead flat (old HO Ambroid/QC kit) and the 1980 RailGon are on the to-do list for next year. Gonna be a busy 2009! Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmo delworks. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51162	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: Our next S scale car will be ...

There is a space in modelworks mo delworks Mike In a message dated 11/25/2008 7:30:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, adlbert1950@... writes: Hey Jim, Just to let you know that the picture link did not come through. everybody on the list will be a bitchen because they don't have a pictureof the new car you announced on the group list Just being friendly, Alan Lambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51163	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2008
Subject: Re: LGB AC OR DC?

LBG run on AC or DC? Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51164	From: Bill Drake	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: Re: LGB AC OR DC?

Mike-   Runs on DC like HO but more current.   Bill Drake --- On Tue, 11/25/08, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: LGB AC OR DC? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:46 PM LBG run on AC or DC? Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51165	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: LGB AC or DC?

LGB runs on DC power. Their set packs weren't much different from Maerklin's HO set packs because the LGB seven pole, squew wound motors were so efficient. Sadly, Lehman Brothers Toys divested itself of LGB (Lehman Gross Bahn, or Lehman Big Train)a year or so ago and it ended up with Maerklin, who proptly went bankrupt and is being sold off in pieces. Hornby was interested for a time, but I don't think a deal could be struck. There has been a lot of question as to who will end up with the LGB rights and tooling. These were probably the highest quality toy/model trains ever manufactured. Stumpy Stone...former G scale guy...giving you more information that you wanted to know!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51166	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: Re: LGB AC OR DC?

DC... SOME SMALL SETS CAN USE AN ho POWER PACK.... bUT BE CAREFULL.... bOB -------------- Original message from anormal1@...: -------------- LBG run on AC or DC? Mike Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51167	From: william cole	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: Re: LGB AC OR DC?

DC...check max voltage....need more amps to run and keep power supply cool during operation....min 5 amp pack, 10 amp�is better....I think, and please check their instructions, that they used 18volt motors??? not 24 volt as seems to becoming a kind of standard in large generic scale...if anyone follows standards.....� Bc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51168	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: Re: SHS Thanksgiving Sale...

We are having a special Thanksgiving Sale this weekend. Please visit our website for more info. Have a Happy Thanksgiving, Don http://www.showcaseline.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51169	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: RE LGB AC OR DC

Thanks to all that responded. Mike **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51170	From: Firewood	Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy

Did anyone ever get to the stage of 'S'-gauging the original K Line Big Boy or Allegheny? Would it be a viable project? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51171	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Allegheny Re: Big Boy

Did anyone ever get to the stage of 'S'-gauging the original K Line Big Boy or Allegheny? Would it be a viable project? Dave, I bought the Allegheny for conversion but never found the time. The tender should just be a truck swap. I was going to install American Flyer motor chassis as a quicker alternative to re- working the O gauge assembly, which requires insulating and re-gauging. If you want one to try, it is new and for sale for low money. ($200.) Nick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51172	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy

Dave, A couple of local guys talked about it for years; a local train store owner and I even got so far as to taking the shell off of one. But now that there is going to be a Flyonel version next year, I think the idea of the conversion project has been abandoned, in my neck of the woods. Roy Inman From: Firewood <fahrwud@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:46:26 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Did anyone ever get to the stage of 'S'-gauging the original K Line Big Boy or Allegheny? Would it be a viable project? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51173	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you from Steve & Sam SnS Trains Boise **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51174	From: alguckes2001	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: S-Trains for sale

About 2 years ago I attended a TCA show in Raleigh and saw a very nice modular S- scale exhibit. Despite my financial commitment to other scales I thought, "Gee this IS the perfect size," and started accumulating some S scale trains. Unfortunately due to the need for some self-discipline and a continued happy marriage I realized recently that I cannot get involved in yet another scale. Therefore I have a list of mostly new in the box S-Helper Service and American Models Scale equipment for sale. Included is an American Flyer 322 Hudson, which, when I observed it's smoking glory on the table where it was offered for sale, it captivated me – and I bought it with nowhere to operate it. Therefore is has been sitting on a shelf for 2 years. I have a list I will email to anyone who might be interested in buying any of these items. Except for the Hudson, all are priced at about 50% of what I paid. The Hudson has no box. I have a picture of the Hudson I can email to anyone interested. I would like to sell the items as a group and will pay shipping for anyone buying the entire lot. I have a Rolling Rock Beer caboose custom painted using a Flyer caboose (very neatly done but with appliqué lettering rather than decals), which I will include at no charge for anyone buying the entire lot. As I write this email I regret I did not consider S scale several years ago before I invested in a lot of O gauge. PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST. MY EMAIL IS: alguckes@.... Thanks in advance. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51175	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving

Hey, Thanks for the kind thoughts. I hope you didn't pig out like I did . I still haven't hade dessert from lunch yet.                                              Thanks again,                                                                  Alan Lambert                                                                  Lone Star Flyer club                                                                  Dallas( Irving ) Texas                   --- On Thu, 11/27/08, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Happy Thanksgiving To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 5:18 PM Happy Thanksgiving to all of you from Steve & Sam SnS Trains Boise ************ **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51176	From: Grant	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Flyer Searchlight car repair?

I opened up the car to get the light working and found the wire broken inside the searchlight shell. Is there a way to get a new wire attached to the socket? The socket doesn't seem to removed very easily and the shell don't budge Is it possible or a waste of time? Thanks Grant

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51177	From: acgtx	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer Searchlight car repair? Doable!

Hi! Remove the ring holding the glass lense and the lense if you have not already done so. Remove the bulb. Cut the wire at the wire hole. Then take a thin object (I have used a drill bit) and insert into wire hole and punch the lamp socket out the front carefully. Press as near the outside edges of the socket as you can. Resolder wire and/or rewire, reinsert. The crimps holding the socket were damaged slightly when I removed the socket so I used a little hot glue to hold it inplace upon reinstallation. While apart, I stripped and painted the spotlight holder/shell. You may want to do the same if yours is well worn. Best of Luck! Art Cooper Richardson, TX --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Grant" <gwbishop@...> wrote: > > I opened up the car to get the light working and found the wire broken > inside the searchlight shell. > Is there a way to get a new wire attached to the socket? > The socket doesn't seem to removed very easily and the shell don't budge > Is it possible or a waste of time? > Thanks > Grant >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51178	From: acgtx	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Flyer Searchlight car repair? Doable!

Follow-up: Once you have the socket out, you may have to do a little straightening depending on how much pressure/impact you had to apply. A dremel tool with appropriate bit(s) may be useful in cleaning up any burrs and/or the crimps. Best of Luck! Art --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgtx" <acgtx@...> wrote: > > Hi! > > Remove the ring holding the glass lense and the lense if you have not > already done so. Remove the bulb. Cut the wire at the wire hole. Then > take a thin object (I have used a drill bit) and insert into wire hole > and punch the lamp socket out the front carefully. Press as near the > outside edges of the socket as you can. > > Resolder wire and/or rewire, reinsert. The crimps holding the socket > were damaged slightly when I removed the socket so I used a little hot > glue to hold it inplace upon reinstallation. > > While apart, I stripped and painted the spotlight holder/shell. You may > want to do the same if yours is well worn. > > Best of Luck! > > Art Cooper > Richardson, TX > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Grant" <gwbishop@> wrote: > > > > I opened up the car to get the light working and found the wire broken > > inside the searchlight shell. > > Is there a way to get a new wire attached to the socket? > > The socket doesn't seem to removed very easily and the shell don't > budge > > Is it possible or a waste of time? > > Thanks > > Grant > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51179	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rcon7@... wrote: > > Just got a note from Charles Ro on the Big Boy.... "Lionel is behind I would speculate February /March " > Bob Conner > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I emailed Lionel customer service about a week ago and asked them if the December 2008 delivery date in the shipping schedule website was accurate. They said that the project had been delayed and would not deliver until next year. They were going to check its status and then update the shipping schedule. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51180	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving

OINK!! LOL! ~ Justin On Nov 27, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Alan Lambert wrote: > Hey, > Thanks for the kind thoughts. I hope you didn't pig out like I > did . I still haven't hade dessert from lunch yet. > Thanks again, > > Alan Lambert > > Lone Star Flyer club > > Dallas( Irving ) Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51181	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving

I had pumpkin pie fer breakfast... I love the holidays..Mike In a message dated 11/27/2008 8:07:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, justin.dancinghawk@... writes: OINK!! LOL! ~ Justin On Nov 27, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Alan Lambert wrote: > Hey, > Thanks for the kind thoughts. I hope you didn't pig out like I > did . I still haven't hade dessert from lunch yet. > Thanks again, > > Alan Lambert > > Lone Star Flyer club > > Dallas( Irving ) Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51182	From: Al	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: How to Replace Broken Trucks on a Flyonel reefer car

I accidentally knocked a 1997 TTOS MDT reefer car onto the floor and broke both trucks - side frames broke and wheels dented - the shell received no damage. Does anyone know how to order replacement trucks from Lionel? I could not find anything for American Flyer parts orders, just new items. Does anyone have replacement trucks that are as good or better than Lionel has? I thought the trucks on K-Line S gauge cars were vvery nice. Post on this site for others to know also. Thanks, Al Rawdon Layton, Utah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51183	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Allegheny Re: Big Boy

Just after the K-Line Big Boy came out, Balston Locomotive Works had one converted to S at York. They said that it took about 50 hours of machining to complete the conversion, and consequently was not economically viable. I also recall that shortly therafter someone was taking orders for the conversion for $800 plus the cost of the engine, but I don't no if any were ever completed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51184	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: Big Boy

They told me August of 2009. That was last month. The shipping schedule may have changed since then. Roy Inman From: srgriggs <sgriggs@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:09:11 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , rcon7@... wrote: > > Just got a note from Charles Ro on the Big Boy.... "Lionel is behind I would speculate February /March " > Bob Conner > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I emailed Lionel customer service about a week ago and asked them if the December 2008 delivery date in the shipping schedule website was accurate. They said that the project had been delayed and would not deliver until next year. They were going to check its status and then update the shipping schedule. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51185	From: splsaab	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers

In interest of cost VS scale accuracy I went with the RMT BEEPeople O- 27 figure packs. They come prepainted in packs of 48 seated figures. bought 4 packs from a dealer at a Greenburg show and got him down to $20/pack which is way cheaper than any other prepainted figures I have found. The figures are a bit oversized but still smaller than the silloutes in AF and AM cars, and I figure no one will be looking inside my budd cars to carefully while they are moving anyways. Robert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" <gartrain404@...> wrote: > > MTH made 3/16" people for the passenger > station action unit and sold the people > separately. They were in blister > packs at hobby shops but may be > sold out. I will post my heavyweights > as soon as they are finished. > > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: YardMasterModels@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 17:23 > Subject: [S-Trains] Bud Passengers > > > Hello All! > > Any suggestions for seated passengers for AM Budd cars. Anyone using HO size? Thanks ahead of time Dave. > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1807 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 10:59 AM > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51186	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: How to Replace Broken Trucks on a Flyonel reefer car

I would replace them with SHS trucks. I put them on an older Gilbert AF piece of rolling stock, made for close coupling but no problems. Click for photo: main.php Rick. On Nov 28, 2008, at 2:22 AM, Al wrote: > I accidentally knocked a 1997 TTOS MDT reefer car onto the floor and > broke both trucks - side frames broke and wheels dented - the shell > received no damage. > > Does anyone know how to order replacement trucks from Lionel? I could > not find anything for American Flyer parts orders, just new items. > > Does anyone have replacement trucks that are as good or better than > Lionel has? I thought the trucks on K-Line S gauge cars were vvery > nice. Post on this site for others to know also. Thanks, > > Al Rawdon > Layton, Utah > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51187	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: How to Replace Broken Trucks on a Flyonel reefer car

Why not do what a service station would do and slap another chassis under it from a doner car of minimal value from the same era. The TTOS car would keep it's value that way. Carl On Nov 28, 2008, at 2:22 AM, Al wrote: > I accidentally knocked a 1997 TTOS MDT reefer car onto the floor and > broke both trucks - side frames broke and wheels dented - the shell > received no damage. > > Does anyone know how to order replacement trucks from Lionel? I could > not find anything for American Flyer parts orders, just new items. > > Does anyone have replacement trucks that are as good or better than > Lionel has? I thought the trucks on K-Line S gauge cars were vvery > nice. Post on this site for others to know also. Thanks, > > Al Rawdon > Layton, Utah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51188	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: How to Replace Broken Trucks on a Flyonel reefer car

My link didn't work. Try: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_003/AF942+with+SHS+truckscouplers.JPG.html Rick. > I would replace them with SHS trucks. > I put them on an older Gilbert AF piece of rolling stock, > made for close coupling but no problems. > > Click for photo: > main.php > > > Rick. > > > On Nov 28, 2008, at 2:22 AM, Al wrote: > >> I accidentally knocked a 1997 TTOS MDT reefer car onto the floor and >> broke both trucks - side frames broke and wheels dented - the shell >> received no damage. >> >> Does anyone know how to order replacement trucks from Lionel? I >> could >> not find anything for American Flyer parts orders, just new items. >> >> Does anyone have replacement trucks that are as good or better than >> Lionel has? I thought the trucks on K-Line S gauge cars were vvery >> nice. Post on this site for others to know also. Thanks, >> >> Al Rawdon >> Layton, Utah >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51189	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: Allegheny Re: Big Boy

And the Flyonel BB can be had for around $650.00 Roy Inman From: Lamont Heppe <flheppe@...> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:31:40 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Allegheny Re: Big Boy Just after the K-Line Big Boy came out, Balston Locomotive Works had one converted to S at York. They said that it took about 50 hours of machining to complete the conversion, and consequently was not economically viable. I also recall that shortly therafter someone was taking orders for the conversion for $800 plus the cost of the engine, but I don't no if any were ever completed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51190	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers

Thanks Robert, Are the BEEPeople items still available , to your knowledge?? Dave/ -----Original Message----- From: splsaab <splsaab@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:32 am Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bud Passengers In interest of cost VS scale accuracy I went with the RMT BEEPeople O- 27 figure packs. They come prepainted in packs of 48 seated figures. bought 4 packs from a dealer at a Greenburg show and got him down to $20/pack which is way cheaper than any other prepainted figures I have found. The figures are a bit oversized but still smaller than the silloutes in AF and AM cars, and I figure no one will be looking inside my budd cars to carefully while they are moving anyways. Robert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" <gartrain404@...> wrote: > > MTH made 3/16" people for the passenger > station action unit and sold the people > separately. They were in blister > packs at hobby shops but may be > sold out. I will post my heavyweights > as soon as they are finished. > > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: YardMasterModels@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 17:23 > Subject: [S-Trains] Bud Passengers > > > Hello All! > > Any suggestions for seated passengers for AM Budd cars. Anyone using HO size? Thanks ahead of time Dave. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1807 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 10:59 AM > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51191	From: Jim King	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: S scale SR 1951 wood rack web link

A few of you contacted me re: Yahoo stripping the photo attachments from a recent product announcement. The web page has since been created .. there are a couple of code typos that need to be fixed but the primary reason for sending this email is to allow y'all to view the proto pix and pricing info. Click on either image to look at an enlarged version. Credit Larry Goolsby for the "block font" photo and the SRHA, Inc.'s Archives for the "roman font" view taken at Spencer Shops prior to car being released for revenue service. Due to problems encountered with waffle box verbal/email reservations not being honored, I am requiring a non-refundable 50% deposit for all wood rack orders. Since this is a done-deal kit, available by early January '09, you won't lose your deposit or be delayed in getting your kit(s) as has sometimes occurred with other manufacturers over the years. Here is the web page link: http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/soupulpwood.html Contact me off list if you have questions about payment options, shipping outside the "48", etc. Folks sending in deposits will be given priority service when production starts. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51192	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: How to Replace Broken Trucks on a Flyonel reefer car

Carl has a good point. But I still don't like the Flyonel trucks. :^) Rick. > Why not do what a service station would do and slap another chassis > under it > from a doner car of minimal value from the same era. The TTOS car > would keep > it's value that way. > > Carl > > > On Nov 28, 2008, at 2:22 AM, Al wrote: > >> I accidentally knocked a 1997 TTOS MDT reefer car onto the floor and >> broke both trucks - side frames broke and wheels dented - the shell >> received no damage. >> >> Does anyone know how to order replacement trucks from Lionel? I >> could >> not find anything for American Flyer parts orders, just new items. >> >> Does anyone have replacement trucks that are as good or better than >> Lionel has? I thought the trucks on K-Line S gauge cars were vvery >> nice. Post on this site for others to know also. Thanks, >> >> Al Rawdon >> Layton, Utah > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51193	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Musical boxcars

Hi All! Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving! Now it's time to start thinking about our Christmas trains, right?!? A question for the group: For several years now Lionel has produced a "musical boxcar" that plays 12 (I think) holiday tunes as it circles the track. It's battery-powered I believe. I have searched stores like Hobby Lobby, trying to find a similar battery operated sound box to place in an AF holiday boxcar to no avail. Short of buying a Lionel "O" gauge car and gutting it just for the sound system, I wondered if anyone else had been successful in adding sounds under tree? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51194	From: clayton deich	Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: Allegheny Re: Big Boy

Just what type of machining was needed to do the jOB? What's the break down of the fifty hours in work. Can you do a put it together your self to hold the price down? I'm just asking. Clayton S. D. Portland OR. --- On Fri, 11/28/08, Lamont Heppe <flheppe@...> wrote: > From: Lamont Heppe <flheppe@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Allegheny Re: Big Boy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 6:31 AM > Just after the K-Line Big Boy came out, Balston Locomotive > Works had > one converted to S at York. They said that it took about > 50 hours of > machining to complete the conversion, and consequently was > not > economically viable. I also recall that shortly therafter > someone was > taking orders for the conversion for $800 plus the cost of > the engine, > but I don't no if any were ever completed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51195	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Re: Musical boxcars

JIm, If you go to Cliff's Christmas Layout http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/571560183/pic/list , you will see my Skaters Pond. It plays 15 Christmas songs as the skaters move on the icey pond. The same company also has other winter animations that play holiday music. I just set up the layout in Kansas City, Kansas at 18th and Minnisota Ave as part of the KC S Gaugers Holiday Layout. I can not find my link to the company right now but if you google animated skaters you will find many links to the "Winter Wonderland Collection," Clifford Manning Topeka, Kansas ---- Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> wrote: > Hi All! > > Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving! Now it's time to start > thinking about our Christmas trains, right?!? > > A question for the group: For several years now Lionel has produced > a "musical boxcar" that plays 12 (I think) holiday tunes as it circles > the track. It's battery-powered I believe. I have searched stores > like Hobby Lobby, trying to find a similar battery operated sound box > to place in an AF holiday boxcar to no avail. Short of buying a > Lionel "O" gauge car and gutting it just for the sound system, I > wondered if anyone else had been successful in adding sounds under tree? > > Jim E. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51196	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Allegheny Re: Big Boy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Just what type of machining was needed to do the jOB? What's the break down of the fifty hours in work. Can you do a put it together your self to hold the price down? I'm just asking. > > > Clayton S. D. > > Portland OR. > > >I don't recall all of the details on the machining, but for starters, to keep all the running gear in proper relationship to the drivers, a slice had to be taken out of the two frames to narrow them to S. Then everything had to be insulated in some fashion to allow for two rail operation. Since the engine was originally three rail, nothing but the center rail pickups was insulted from the frames, boiler, etc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51197	From: G C	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Re: Allegheny Re: Big Boy

Monty said: "everything had to be insulated in some fashion to allow for two rail operation. Since the engine was originally three rail, nothing but the center rail pickups was insulted from the frames, boiler, etc." Aside from narrowing the frame for S, insulating the drivers and wheels for two rail has to be the most difficult part of the process. Machine work is not that bad if one has the skill and experience, but figuring out how to achieve proper insulation requires real creativity. Simple way around that is to use old Flyer drivers. Of course when you are talking about a model of a big boy, you wouldn't want that as it would look out of place for sure. Electrical pick up would probably be accomplished with the tender trucks. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51198	From: Edward	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: TMCC S-Helper Engines

There has been interest for the installation of TMCC with sound in the S-Helper 2-8-0. We have been working on this type of conversion and just completed one with great success. For more information on where to get TMCC installed, please go to www.goldinhands.com or www.tuveson.com. HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51199	From: Jim King	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: S scale SR waffle boxes all shipped

To those who ordered the new S scale Southern Ry. 1973 50' waffle side boxcar kit, I thank you. All shipments have been made with the last 3 going out yesterday. For your convenience, the 8-page instruction "booklet" has been uploaded to the waffle web page in .pdf format. Next kits will be the SR 1951 pulpwood rack in Roman and Block font. Get your deposits to me as soon as you can in order to ensure prompt delivery. All kits decals are available separately at $6 each postpaid in the "Lower 48". There will be a separate web page created soon listing decals and detail parts. The GE 70-tonner will follow the wood rack in January or February. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51200	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/30/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51201	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Just like the Coke trucks, Canadian Pacific Holiday Train

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51203	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Tis' the season

December Calendar--- PEQUEA VALLEY MODEL RAILROADERS set up their Annual two week "S" gauge display at the DUTCHWAY FARM MARKET, 375 Rt 41 South in Gap, PA. We will be running the oldest to the newest, A/C, D/C and DCC. Starting on Thursday the 4th, first week includes a SUB SALE Thursday Dec 4th thru the 6th. Layout reopens with a "cooler" look on Wednesday the 10 and is open thru Saturday the 13th. Hours each day are from 10 AM til 8 PM, except the 13th, closing at 6 PM. DUTCHWAY is also a full-blown SUPERMARKET with adjacent RESTAURANT, you'll definitely find the PVMR crew at the Breakfast Buffet on Satudays, one of the best deals around at $4.99. PVMR Crew Members on hand to "Talk Trains" any time during the FREE show. "ORIGINAL" GILBERTSVILLE (PA)Train Meet, Dec 7th in Gilbertsville, PA, Fire Station, Rt 73, EAST of Rt 100. Admission charged. YORK-HANOVER (PA) Train and Toy Meet, Dec 7th at PORTERS FIRE HALL, Porters, PA. Admission Charged. The TRAIN GUYS of Elizabethtown (PA), call the lower level of the E-Town Public Library home. Their 10th Annual display is open 6 to 8 PM Tuesdays and Thursday, 10 AM til 2 PM Saturdays til Dec 23rd. Located close to a Municipal Parking Lot, behind/beside Barry's Train Shop on the Square. Donations graciously accepted, nickels and dimes for the meters (really, 2 hours for ten cents). CHOO CHOO Barn, Rt 741, Strasburg, PA, Open Daily til Jan 1st. LARGE "O" Layout, reflecting Lancaster Co, PA. Admission charged. BOB BOARD'S ALL ABOARD RR, open Saturdays and Sundays, every day between Christmas and New Years Eve. LARGE "S" Layout, 1952 Landis Valley Rd, just off of Rt 23 in Eden. Admission Charged. NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM, 300 Paradise Lane, Strasburg. TCA's Crown Jewel, open weekends 10 AM til 5 PM, open every day between Christmas and New Years Eve. 5 operating layouts, O, S, G, H-O and STANDARD, lovingly maintained by a small group of dedicated volunteers. Admission charged. More to come------- Involved in a public layout, LET US KNOW !!!!!!!!! Jim "running trains near the Main" Lyle **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51204	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Musical boxcars

Hi ! I have a "Grandfater" style clock (modern) that has a music box in it that (used to- it died!) plays an alternate choice of regular chimes or, at Christmas time, you can flip the switch & play the holiday stuff! You might check sources for these music boxes! Hope that helps! ~ Justin Dancing Hawk On Nov 28, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Jim Ensign wrote: > Hi All! > > Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving! Now it's time to start > thinking about our Christmas trains, right?!? > > A question for the group: For several years now Lionel has produced > a "musical boxcar" that plays 12 (I think) holiday tunes as it circles > the track. It's battery-powered I believe. I have searched stores > like Hobby Lobby, trying to find a similar battery operated sound box > to place in an AF holiday boxcar to no avail. Short of buying a > Lionel "O" gauge car and gutting it just for the sound system, I > wondered if anyone else had been successful in adding sounds under > tree? > > Jim E. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51206	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Musical boxcars

A clock shop -- That's a place I hadn't thought of! I'll try it. Thanks, Justin. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Justin Dancing Hawk <justin.dancinghawk@...> > Hi ! > I have a "Grandfater" style clock (modern) that has a music box in > it that (used to- it died!) plays an alternate choice of regular > chimes or, at Christmas time, you can flip the switch & play the > holiday stuff! You might check sources for these music boxes! Hope > that helps! ~ Justin Dancing Hawk > On Nov 28, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Jim Ensign wrote: > > > Hi All! > > > > Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving! Now it's time to start > > thinking about our Christmas trains, right?!? > > > > A question for the group: For several years now Lionel has produced > > a "musical boxcar" that plays 12 (I think) holiday tunes as it circles > > the track. It's battery-powered I believe. I have searched stores > > like Hobby Lobby, trying to find a similar battery operated sound box > > to place in an AF holiday boxcar to no avail. Short of buying a > > Lionel "O" gauge car and gutting it just for the sound system, I > > wondered if anyone else had been successful in adding sounds under > > tree? > > > > Jim E. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51207	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea

Jim, In which section of Wal-mart are these found? Thanks, Pete Henningsen ----- Original Message ----- From: AZTECFAN Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:53 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Mels Drive In kit bashing idea To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > See picture of Mel's drive in a $9 car scene from the leaders in S > sales Wal Mart. We need to add 1/64 collectors to our group and grow. > There are millions of them. > > The 3 figures are worth the price plus you get a building and a car. > What a deal. I'll see if I can design a complete building from > this front. > > Jim Sleeth > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51208	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/30/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51209	From: Jim Alessio	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea

I found all of them in the toy car section - Hot Wheels, etc... Also, Restoration Hardware has 1/64 Shelby Cobra's and Mustang's available: http://www.restorationhardware.com/rh/catalog/category/category_4gifts.jsp?categoryId=cat1492016&navAction=jump&link=hp_hobbies_and_interests&cm_re=HP-_-TopLeft-_-ShopHobbiesAndInterests On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 4:06 PM, <amerflyerwanted@...> wrote: > Jim, In which section of Wal-mart are these found? > Thanks, Pete Henningsen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AZTECFAN > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:53 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] Mels Drive In kit bashing idea > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > See picture of Mel's drive in a $9 car scene from the leaders in S > > sales Wal Mart. We need to add 1/64 collectors to our group and grow. > > There are millions of them. > > > > The 3 figures are worth the price plus you get a building and a car. > > What a deal. I'll see if I can design a complete building from > > this front. > > > > Jim Sleeth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51210	From: Glenn	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea

Hi Pete, They are found in the "TOY" section in the aisle with the Matchbox, Johnny Lightning, and other racing type cars. They may still have similar gas station scenes by Motormax http://www.mini-motorsonline.com/product.php?productid=4 Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: amerflyerwanted@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 16:06 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mels Drive In kit bashing idea Jim, In which section of Wal-mart are these found? Thanks, Pete Henningsen ----- Original Message ----- From: AZTECFAN Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:53 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Mels Drive In kit bashing idea To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > See picture of Mel's drive in a $9 car scene from the leaders in S > sales Wal Mart. We need to add 1/64 collectors to our group and grow. > There are millions of them. > > The 3 figures are worth the price plus you get a building and a car. > What a deal. I'll see if I can design a complete building from > this front. > > Jim Sleeth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51211	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Musical boxcars

For a full sound musical boxcar how about something like the iPod shuffle with a couple of mini speakers attached. There are also other cheaper small MP3 players out there. With the iPod you could load up many different songs for many different occasions. You could also pop it out to listen to some tunes on your jog to the local train store. Mark Anderman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51212	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: ITEMS FOR SALE ON E-BAY

I have a 21004 & a 30B listed on E-Bay... If you make an offer & you mention that you are a member of this list I'll ship for free. Items listed under ANORMAL101 Mike S Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51213	From: afjerryk5	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: 1/64 stuff at Wally world

Local Wal Mart has Mel's Diner,a tire shop and a garage scene.They come with tool boxes,tires,jacks etc.Garage set includes a '57 Chevy.They also carry M2 diecast cars.These are very nicely done,with opening doors and hoods,and sell for just under 5 bucks.The cars in blue packages have "transparent" bodies,and those in black package are painted. keep'em rolling Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51214	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Musical boxcars

Not a bad idea! I bet if I stripped down to just my boot and cast to jog down there, the neighbors would all chip in a few bucks to make sure they never saw such a thing again! Then I could just buy the Lionel and gut it! An iPod speaker hidden in an existing layout building is a good idea, though - that is if my son will let me borrow his. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Manderman@... > > For a full sound musical boxcar how about something like the iPod shuffle with a > couple of mini speakers attached. There are also other cheaper small MP3 > players out there. With the iPod you could load up many different songs for > many different occasions. You could also pop it out to listen to some tunes on > your jog to the local train store. > > Mark Anderman > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51215	From: Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Noise and the 977 and 25052

Hello Everyone, I'm fortunate to have a couple of 977 action brakeman caboose cars and just purchased a 25052 action brakeman caboose. My two 977s are relatively quiet to operate but I have had some in the past that could be quite noisey when moving back and forth. My new 25052 is noisy and I'm wondering if there is a trick for getting the man to retract without sending out a constant buzz as it runs? I love collecting and I love American Flyer and I bought the 25052 at a good price so I can live with the buzz but if anyone knows a fix please let me know. As always, my best wishes to you all during this holiday season! Thank you, Rob and Colleen

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51216	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea

Thanks for the tips, guys. I check Walmart from time to time, but haven't seen these. Been looking for the 50's cars by M-2 as they were supposed to be offered by Toys R Us,but haven't found those either. Pete

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51217	From: John Gibson	Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Northern California O Scale West + S

Northern California O Scale West + S -- Largest S scale show west of the Mississippi! There will be S standard and narrow gauge dealers, including Howard'S Trains, PBL, River Raisin Models, Southwind Models, as well as others. Clinics will be on topics such as making trees and creating your own decals. Ken Reiter, the electronics guru for Ed Loizeaux will be doing a presentation, and there will be a panel discussion about layout planning, operation, and maintenance by S, Sn3 & O scale layout owners. The events also include the showing of railroad videos, and contests. The BASS club will have their modular layout up and running (DC & DCC) – bring your equipment to run on the layout, a Digitrax control system will be available. Equipment must meet NASG standards. The McKenzie brothers will be showing their fantastic Sn3 logging layout that includes the realistic and beautiful trees they will teach you to make in their clinic. Offsite layouts include: - Ed Loizeaux's S & Sn3 scale NYC: The New York Central operates through the Catskill Mountains region with over 300+ feet of doubletrack mainline. Numerous large bridges, viaducts, waterfalls, river rapids, tunnels and other scenic attractions abound. This nearly-finished layout offers a spectacular backdrop and beautiful scenery and flawless operation - Arden Goehring's S scale UP Sherman Hill: This huge layout occupies a 1,600 square foot building and is inspired by UP's arduous crossing of the Rocky Mountains at Sherman Hill. Big Boys and 40 car reefer trains are the norm on this fantastic layout. - Don Harper's Sn3 Harper Valley Railroad. This spectacular layout is based on the Rio Grande narrow gauge and West Side Lumber Co, and was one of the featured layouts in BASS 2009 S/Sn3 calendar and several of the leading model railroad magazines - We also hope to have Mike Schwab's Sn3 San Juan Central Railroad. This very detailed layout is based on Colorado narrow gauge, and was also featured in BASS 2009 calendar. The meet cars are Southern Pacific 53'6" & 40' flat cars kits manufactured by Wiseman Models Services and distributed by Howard'S Trains. Bulkhead kits are also available. See flyer for costs, details & pictures in the files section http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ - the file is called: OSW+S Meet Car Order Form Convention info: January 29-31, 2009 Hyatt Regency Santa Clara 5101 Great America Parkway Santa Clara, CA 95054 Reservations: 800-233-1234 Hotel Switchboard: 408-200-1234 Hotel Fax: 408-980-3939 Admission: $25 for registrations postmarked by 12/31/2008; $30 at the door Table Rentals: $35/table if registration is postmarked by 12/31/08; $45 after 12/31/08, electrical hook up is free. Go here for additional information: http://www.oscalewest.com/osw2009.html Questions, please contact John Gibson at gibson@...; Bill McClung at BillRC1@...; Lee Johnson at leemax@...; or Howard Sheffield at hjsheff@... for information and registration packets. Look forward to seeing you at the show. OSW+S Convention Committee, John Gibson Lee Johnson Bill McClung Howard Sheffield

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51218	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Noise and the 977 and 25052

Put a rectifier between the truck pickups and the activation coil. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 11/30/2008 11:05:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, colleenandrob@... writes: Hello Everyone, I'm fortunate to have a couple of 977 action brakeman caboose cars and just purchased a 25052 action brakeman caboose. My two 977s are relatively quiet to operate but I have had some in the past that could be quite noisey when moving back and forth. My new 25052 is noisy and I'm wondering if there is a trick for getting the man to retract without sending out a constant buzz as it runs? I love collecting and I love American Flyer and I bought the 25052 at a good price so I can live with the buzz but if anyone knows a fix please let me know. As always, my best wishes to you all during this holiday season! Thank you, Rob and Colleen **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51219	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea

Portlines Hobby Supply has the M-2 cars. Roy Inman From: amerflyerwanted@... Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:06:39 +0000 (GMT) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mels Drive In kit bashing idea Thanks for the tips, guys. I check Walmart from time to time, but haven't seen these. Been looking for the 50's cars by M-2 as they were supposed to be offered by Toys R Us,but haven't found those either. Pete [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51220	From: Michael Rector	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea

I ahve been checking my local Walmart fairly regular. No luck on Mel's here in southern Ohio.   Mike E aka Mikey --- On Sun, 11/30/08, amerflyerwanted@... <amerflyerwanted@...> wrote: From: amerflyerwanted@... <amerflyerwanted@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mels Drive In kit bashing idea To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:06 PM Thanks for the tips, guys. I check Walmart from time to time, but haven't seen these. Been looking for the 50's cars by M-2 as they were supposed to be offered by Toys R Us,but haven't found those either. Pete [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51221	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea

I was in a WALLY WORLD last night with my GF.... They had the GARAGE set there... Looks kinda nice... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from Michael Rector <mike_erector@...>: -------------- I ahve been checking my local Walmart fairly regular. No luck on Mel's here in southern Ohio. Mike E aka Mikey --- On Sun, 11/30/08, amerflyerwanted@... <amerflyerwanted@...> wrote: From: amerflyerwanted@... <amerflyerwanted@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mels Drive In kit bashing idea To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:06 PM Thanks for the tips, guys. I check Walmart from time to time, but haven't seen these. Been looking for the 50's cars by M-2 as they were supposed to be offered by Toys R Us,but haven't found those either. Pete [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51222	From: splsaab	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers

Dave, Looks like they are still available: http://readymadetoys.stores.yahoo.net/noname8.html I bought mine from a man named Barry Keener He has a shop in PA and sells on ebay under the name "l1onel" His email address is: blkeener@... -Robert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, YardMasterModels@... wrote: > > Thanks Robert, Are the BEEPeople items still available , to your knowledge?? Dave/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: splsaab <splsaab@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:32 am > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bud Passengers > > > > > > > In interest of cost VS scale accuracy I went with the RMT BEEPeople O- > 27 figure packs. They come prepainted in packs of 48 seated figures. > bought 4 packs from a dealer at a Greenburg show and got him down to > $20/pack which is way cheaper than any other prepainted figures I > have found. The figures are a bit oversized but still smaller than > the silloutes in AF and AM cars, and I figure no one will be looking > inside my budd cars to carefully while they are moving anyways. > > Robert > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" <gartrain404@> wrote: > > > > MTH made 3/16" people for the passenger > > station action unit and sold the people > > separately. They were in blister > > packs at hobby shops but may be > > sold out. I will post my heavyweights > > as soon as they are finished. > > > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: YardMasterModels@ > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 17:23 > > Subject: [S-Trains] Bud Passengers > > > > > > Hello All! > > > > Any suggestions for seated passengers for AM Budd cars. Anyone > using HO size? Thanks ahead of time Dave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1807 - Release Date: > 11/23/2008 10:59 AM > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51223	From: e2picasso	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: FOR SALE

Just uploaded 3 files in the files section **For Sale...have a look. thanks Bob Anson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51224	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mels Drive In kit bashing idea

Hi They are hard to find. They come in a small box  on a shelf near the other die cast cars, not hung up on the begs. I have asked the board of the NASG to open up our meets to die cast car collectors.  We could reach new 1/64 people. That would add traffic to our events.  More venders, more buyers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51225	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers

Great Info. thanks very much!?? Dave. -----Original Message----- From: splsaab <splsaab@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 3:23 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bud Passengers Dave, Looks like they are still available: http://readymadetoys.stores.yahoo.net/noname8.html I bought mine from a man named Barry Keener He has a shop in PA and sells on ebay under the name "l1onel" His email address is: blkeener@... -Robert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, YardMasterModels@... wrote: > > Thanks Robert, Are the BEEPeople items still available , to your knowledge?? Dave/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: splsaab <splsaab@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:32 am > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bud Passengers > > > > > > > In interest of cost VS scale accuracy I went with the RMT BEEPeople O- > 27 figure packs. They come prepainted in packs of 48 seated figures. > bought 4 packs from a dealer at a Greenburg show and got him down to > $20/pack which is way cheaper than any other prepainted figures I > have found. The figures are a bit oversized but still smaller than > the silloutes in AF and AM cars, and I figure no one will be looking > inside my budd cars to carefully while they are moving anyways. > > Robert > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" <gartrain404@> wrote: > > > > MTH made 3/16" people for the passenger > > station action unit and sold the people > > separately. They were in blister > > packs at hobby shops but may be > > sold out. I will post my heavyweights > > as soon as they are finished. > > > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: YardMasterModels@ > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 17:23 > > Subject: [S-Trains] Bud Passengers > > > > > > Hello All! > > > > Any suggestions for seated passengers for AM Budd cars. Anyone > using HO size? Thanks ahead of time Dave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1807 - Release Date: > 11/23/2008 10:59 AM > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51226	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: 1/64 stuff at Wally world

Jerry, Where are you located? I've checked 3 Wallys here in Ct.-no luck! Thanks,Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: afjerryk5 Date: Monday, December 1, 2008 1:04 am Subject: [S-Trains] 1/64 stuff at Wally world To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Local Wal Mart has Mel's Diner,a tire shop and a garage > scene.They > come with tool boxes,tires,jacks etc.Garage set includes a '57 > Chevy.They also carry M2 diecast cars.These are very nicely > done,with > opening doors and hoods,and sell for just under 5 bucks.The cars > in > blue packages have "transparent" bodies,and those in black > package are > painted. > keep'em rolling > Jerry > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51227	From: hgetrain	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Allegheny Re: Big Boy

About 13 months ago, I completed the conversion of a K-Line Big Boy to S gauge. The effort was accomplished over a period of 10 months, including about 2-3 months where no work was done. To keep costs low, I did most of the work using hand tools. The only power tools used were a drill press, grinder, and Dremel tool. I now have a very impressive, powerful, and smooth running S gauge Big Boy. While the final results were good, this was a very difficult project that I would not attempt again. A good milling machine or band saw would have been a big help. Care had to be taken not to damage the K-Line parts since replacements were not available. The engine lead truck, tender frame, driver axles, and engine trailing truck wheels and tender wheels were the only parts not used from the original Big Boy. The total cost of the project, including $220 for the K-Line Big Boy, was about $350. I spent 75-100 hours planning, 125-150 hours cutting, drilling, filing, grinding, fitting, wiring, and testing, and 20-30 hours correcting mistakes. Mixed in were many hours praying, crying, cursing, contemplating suicide and staring into space. No more O gauge to S gauge projects for me, but I do enjoy seeing my Big Boy steaming around my layout pulling 35 freight cars. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > > > > Monty said: > > > "everything had to be insulated in some fashion to allow for two rail > operation. Since the engine was originally three rail, nothing but the > center rail pickups was insulted from the frames, boiler, etc." > > Aside from narrowing the frame for S, insulating the drivers and wheels for two rail has to be the most difficult part of the process. Machine work is not that bad if one has the skill and experience, but figuring out how to achieve proper insulation requires real creativity. Simple way around that is to use old Flyer drivers. Of course when you are talking about a model of a big boy, you wouldn't want that as it would look out of place for sure. Electrical pick up would probably be accomplished with the tender trucks. > > Gene Cimino > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51228	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: Allegheny Re: Big Boy

Harry-   Would you be willing to post some photos of your results as inspiration for the rest of us?   Bill Drake St. Louis --- On Mon, 12/1/08, hgetrain <harry.eberhardt@...> wrote: From: hgetrain <harry.eberhardt@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Allegheny Re: Big Boy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 9:13 PM About 13 months ago, I completed the conversion of a K-Line Big Boy to S gauge. The effort was accomplished over a period of 10 months, including about 2-3 months where no work was done. To keep costs low, I did most of the work using hand tools. The only power tools used were a drill press, grinder, and Dremel tool. I now have a very impressive, powerful, and smooth running S gauge Big Boy. While the final results were good, this was a very difficult project that I would not attempt again. A good milling machine or band saw would have been a big help. Care had to be taken not to damage the K-Line parts since replacements were not available. The engine lead truck, tender frame, driver axles, and engine trailing truck wheels and tender wheels were the only parts not used from the original Big Boy. The total cost of the project, including $220 for the K-Line Big Boy, was about $350. I spent 75-100 hours planning, 125-150 hours cutting, drilling, filing, grinding, fitting, wiring, and testing, and 20-30 hours correcting mistakes. Mixed in were many hours praying, crying, cursing, contemplating suicide and staring into space. No more O gauge to S gauge projects for me, but I do enjoy seeing my Big Boy steaming around my layout pulling 35 freight cars. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, G C <ecphora123@ ...> wrote: > > > > > Monty said: > > > "everything had to be insulated in some fashion to allow for two rail > operation. Since the engine was originally three rail, nothing but the > center rail pickups was insulted from the frames, boiler, etc." > > Aside from narrowing the frame for S, insulating the drivers and wheels for two rail has to be the most difficult part of the process. Machine work is not that bad if one has the skill and experience, but figuring out how to achieve proper insulation requires real creativity. Simple way around that is to use old Flyer drivers. Of course when you are talking about a model of a big boy, you wouldn't want that as it would look out of place for sure. Electrical pick up would probably be accomplished with the tender trucks. > > Gene Cimino > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51229	From: William Porter	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: 1/64 stuff at Wally world

Hi Pete, I just left the Wal-Mart in Royal Palm Beach, Florida with the one and only Mel's Diner they had in stock. Curiously, it says it is part of Series III, so, we can hope there are others to follow. Does anyone need a photo of the packaging? Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amerflyerwanted@... Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:13 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1/64 stuff at Wally world Jerry, Where are you located? I've checked 3 Wallys here in Ct.-no luck! Thanks,Pete [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51230	From: Glenn	Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Re: 1/64 stuff at Wally world

Here is the picture of Mel's Diner: http://media.photobucket.com/image/mels%20diner/ekarlw/Mels_Image2.jpg?o=13 http://media.photobucket.com/image/mels%20diner/ekarlw/Mels_Image1.jpg?o=14 ----- Original Message ----- From: William Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 22:09 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 1/64 stuff at Wally world Hi Pete, I just left the Wal-Mart in Royal Palm Beach, Florida with the one and only Mel's Diner they had in stock. Curiously, it says it is part of Series III, so, we can hope there are others to follow. Does anyone need a photo of the packaging? Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amerflyerwanted@... Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:13 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1/64 stuff at Wally world Jerry, Where are you located? I've checked 3 Wallys here in Ct.-no luck! Thanks,Pete [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51231	From: jarmstr2	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Buddy RDC

I was looking at this O-gauge model RDC and it looked like the body shell was smaller in proportion to the trucks. Anyone know if this body is closer to S-scale? http://readymadetoys.stores.yahoo.net/rmt-toy-trains-br-buddy-rdc-cars.html JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51232	From: hgetrain	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Allegheny Re: Big Boy

Bill, I will take some photos and attempt to post. I have never done this before and have not found any instructions on how to post photos. It will take me several days to get to it though. One thing I forgot to mention in my previous post is that the Big Boy must be lowered or it will look completely out of place with other S gauge equipment. The lowering work was almost 50% of the project. My Big Boy is about 4 scale inches taller than the prototype. It looks best around larger S gauge equipment. The loco runs best with 24 inch or wider curves, but will take 19 inch curves with difficulty. The smaller radius curves were not a priority for me since my minimum radius is 24 inches. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > Harry- >   > Would you be willing to post some photos of your results as inspiration for the rest of us? >   > Bill Drake > St. Louis > > --- On Mon, 12/1/08, hgetrain <harry.eberhardt@...> wrote: > > From: hgetrain <harry.eberhardt@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Allegheny Re: Big Boy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 9:13 PM > > > > > > > About 13 months ago, I completed the conversion of a K-Line Big Boy > to S gauge. The effort was accomplished over a period of 10 months, > including about 2-3 months where no work was done. To keep costs low, > I did most of the work using hand tools. The only power tools used > were a drill press, grinder, and Dremel tool. > > I now have a very impressive, powerful, and smooth running S gauge > Big Boy. While the final results were good, this was a very difficult > project that I would not attempt again. A good milling machine or > band saw would have been a big help. Care had to be taken not to > damage the K-Line parts since replacements were not available. The > engine lead truck, tender frame, driver axles, and engine trailing > truck wheels and tender wheels were the only parts not used from the > original Big Boy. > > The total cost of the project, including $220 for the K-Line Big Boy, > was about $350. I spent 75-100 hours planning, 125-150 hours cutting, > drilling, filing, grinding, fitting, wiring, and testing, and 20-30 > hours correcting mistakes. Mixed in were many hours praying, crying, > cursing, contemplating suicide and staring into space. No more O > gauge to S gauge projects for me, but I do enjoy seeing my Big Boy > steaming around my layout pulling 35 freight cars. > > Harry Eberhardt > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, G C <ecphora123@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Monty said: > > > > > > "everything had to be insulated in some fashion to allow for two > rail > > operation. Since the engine was originally three rail, nothing but > the > > center rail pickups was insulted from the frames, boiler, etc." > > > > Aside from narrowing the frame for S, insulating the drivers and > wheels for two rail has to be the most difficult part of the process. > Machine work is not that bad if one has the skill and experience, but > figuring out how to achieve proper insulation requires real > creativity. Simple way around that is to use old Flyer drivers. Of > course when you are talking about a model of a big boy, you wouldn't > want that as it would look out of place for sure. Electrical pick up > would probably be accomplished with the tender trucks. > > > > Gene Cimino > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51233	From: DPDB@AOL.com	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Tis' the season

Jim  I will be at  Dutchway  about six with my creeper and an extenion light   Dave Pierce -----Original Message----- From: WJJIM@... To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S-scale@yahoogroups.com; Plasticville@yahoogroups.com; showcaseline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:51 am Subject: [S-Trains] Tis' the season December Calendar--- PEQUEA VALLEY MODEL RAILROADERS set up their Annual two week "S" gauge display at the DUTCHWAY FARM MARKET, 375 Rt 41 South in Gap, PA. We will be running the oldest to the newest, A/C, D/C and DCC. Starting on Thursday the 4th, first week includes a SUB SALE Thursday Dec 4th thru the 6th. Layout reopens with a "cooler" look on Wednesday the 10 and is open thru Saturday the 13th. Hours each day are from 10 AM til 8 PM, except the 13th, closing at 6 PM. DUTCHWAY is also a full-blown SUPERMARKET with adjacent RESTAURANT, you'll definitely find the PVMR crew at the Breakfast Buffet on Satudays, one of the best deals around at $4.99. PVMR Crew Members on hand to "Talk Trains" any time during the FREE show. "ORIGINAL" GILBERTSVILLE (PA)Train Meet, Dec 7th in Gilbertsville, PA, Fire Station, Rt 73, EAST of Rt 100. Admission charged. YORK-HANOVER (PA) Train and Toy Meet, Dec 7th at PORTERS FIRE HALL, Porters, PA. Admission Charged. The TRAIN GUYS of Elizabethtown (PA), call the lower level of the E-Town Public Library home. Their 10th Annual display is open 6 to 8 PM Tuesdays and Thursday, 10 AM til 2 PM Saturdays til Dec 23rd. Located close to a Municipal Parking Lot, behind/beside Barry's Train Shop on the Square. Donations graciously accepted, nickels and dimes for the meters (really, 2 hours for ten cents). CHOO CHOO Barn, Rt 741, Strasburg, PA, Open Daily til Jan 1st. LARGE "O" Layout, reflecting Lancaster Co, PA. Admission charged. BOB BOARD'S ALL ABOARD RR, open Saturdays and Sundays, every day between Christmas and New Years Eve. LARGE "S" Layout, 1952 Landis Valley Rd, just off of Rt 23 in Eden. Admission Charged. NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM, 300 Paradise Lane, Strasburg. TCA's Crown Jewel, open weekends 10 AM til 5 PM, open every day between Christmas and New Years Eve. 5 operating layouts, O, S, G, H-O and STANDARD, lovingly maintained by a small group of dedicated volunteers. Admission charged. More to come------- Involved in a public layout, LET US KNOW !!!!!!!!! Jim "running trains near the Main" Lyle **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51234	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Noise abatement on the celining level route

My ceiling level layout has been running for a little over a month now. It is incredible how fast the track gets dirty! With it operating I was able to take on some other small projects which had been put off during construction. Passenger cars are now lighted with a recitfier/voltage regulator/capacitor/3 LED circuit resulting in no flicker and bright lights that go out a few seconds after the power is cut. Next I replaced the bellows on a 322SIT with a piston unit and replaced the wick/element (35 ohms) while it was opened up. It smokes a lot better now and the piston unit emits more of a chuff than the bellows did. The clicking of the bellows linkage was as loud or louder than the little chuff it made. The SIT motor got new brushes, a polished commutator and a good lube but it still growls. The drive motor on that engine growls quite a bit too even after a good lube and cleaning. That being said, it is still the quietest engine I have. The SIB engines make a lot more noise (chuffing) as they should. I am contemplating a can motor for the 322 to bring down the speed and noise... at half throttle it is going so fast that the rods and valve gear are a blur. But first I am going to wire a rectifier (maybe two in series) to drop the voltage to the motor. The objective is to be able to hear the little chuff it makes and still supply enough voltage to make some smoke. The shelf layout and track are responsible for some of the noise. I had been warned that Gargraves track would be louder than solid rail track. It is. A diesel set with 4 960's coaches makes a lot of noise just from all of those wheels on the hollow track. A 312 pulling 3 heavyweights makes less noise but that could just be the chuff masking the wheel noise. In an effort to abate some of the noise I cut some pink foam sill strip and placed it between a section of track and the 'table top'. This eliminates some of the motor growl but not wheel noise. To my amazement it also eliminates the sound of the chuff of the 322SIT. That will never do. Next I will try a thin felt strip. But I think the problem is not so much insulating the wooden ties from the wooden tabletop. It is insulating the track screws from the ties to the tabletop. The track is fixed with screws that fit tightly in the ties and tabletop. I am now thinking that making the connection through the ties less tight that less of the motor sound will be transmitted to the tabletop which despite every effore to deaden it from underneath is acting as a sound board. The plan is to place a thin felt strip under the ties. Then enlarge the screw holes in the ties almost twice the size of the screw shaft. The hole in the ties will then be filled with black RTV (silicon) and the screw pressed through and tightened before the RTV sets up. Has anyone tried a method like this? I'll let you know how it works out. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51235	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Musical boxcars and Wal Mart cars

Why not buy one of those cheap pocket recorders at Radio Shack or other electronics stores, record the music you want, and they place it in a regular car? Most have a continuous run capability and the battery is good for a Loooonnnggg time. I have two WalMarts within 15 miles and neither have the Mel's Drive- in. However, they always seem to have plenty of diecast cars, including the M2 series. I have been buying the various hot rods that were close to realistic and de-rodding them and kit bashing them for years. I wished I'd have kept all the diecast scrap I created for a junkyard scene! Stumpy Stone...from my hidden hillside lair in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51236	From: G C	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Musical boxcars and Wal Mart cars

Stumpy et all - I tramped through my local Mall Wart today in Hanover, PA. Searched High and low, but no Mel's. Did however pick up 4 of American Graffiti's "Moments In Time". Gas & Food Car Repair Shop (2 that were arranged differently, also having different detail items) Tire Shop As someone already stated these are part of the Series III 1:64 collection. Anybody have earlier ones or is this just "sales hype"? These were about $9.00 each, but when you look at all the detail items in each of them, I think it is worth it. Don't know where else I would come up with them. We still have a K-Mart over in York, PA. Maybe I will find some "goodies" there as well. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51237	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers

What we need is people with no legs to put inside 1/64 cars. I am building a drive in movie theater and have 50 cars and no people inside. Thanks --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Robert Carter <splsaab@...> wrote: From: Robert Carter <splsaab@...> Subject: Re: Bud Passengers To: aztecfan@... Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:55 PM no, they are made by a different company RMT, and come fully painted. I posted the link to the RMT website in the S-trains thread. Robert --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> wrote: > From: JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> > Subject: Re: Bud Passengers > To: splsaab@... > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 2:32 PM > Hi > > Are these figures the same as Mike's figures. It seems > I bought a bag of 50 for $25 not painted. > > Thanks > > Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51238	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: MILW 261 and water tenders

Good afternoon: I am building a water tender and it needs a number. Does anyone know if MILW 261 was hauling a water tender? Does it have a number? Does anyone know of a valid number for one of the two water tenders 3985 was recently pulling? Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51239	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Buddy RDC

Hi Jim, The "Buddy" line of RDC's is similar to the "Beep" line. They can best be described as "cute". They're drastically shortened but the height and width are definitely "O". If you are into O gauge and want some nice smooth running doodlebugs for something different, then these are your babies. But they're not anywhere close to S. Jerry Poniatowski Up From the Basement Train Room Briefly --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jarmstr2" <jarmstro@...> wrote: > > I was looking at this O-gauge model RDC and it looked like the body > shell was smaller in proportion to the trucks. Anyone know if this > body is closer to S-scale? > > http://readymadetoys.stores.yahoo.net/rmt-toy-trains-br-buddy-rdc-cars.html > > JimA >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51240	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: S-scale people

> What we need is people with no legs to put inside 1/64 cars. I am > building a drive in movie theater and have 50 cars and no people > inside. Maybe they all went to the snack bar at the same time. ;^) Rick. > > > > > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> wrote: > >> From: JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> >> Subject: Re: Bud Passengers >> To: splsaab@... >> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 2:32 PM >> Hi >> >> Are these figures the same as Mike's figures. It seems >> I bought a bag of 50 for $25 not painted. >> >> Thanks >> >> Jim > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51241	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Mel's Drive In

I checked our local Wally World here in central PA today; there were 5 or 6 Mel's there. These are the variation with the black coupe. Would be happy to pick one up for anyone who believes he won't find one in his area, or can't wait. They sell for $8.97 plus 6% PA sales tax, = $9.50 plus shipping. Priority mail, parcel post, or possibly even 1st class. Unpacked they weigh 7 oz. Contact me off line if you are interested. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51242	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers

JAMES SLEETH wrote: > > > What we need is people with no legs to put inside 1/64 cars. I am > building a drive in movie theater and have 50 cars and no people inside. That's ok, you can't see the heads of people at the drive in anyway. What will you do for speakers?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51243	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: 1/64 stuff at Wally world

Hi guys-thanks to you all, I found 3 MP2 cars @ one WM & 4 garage scenes between the 2 stores visited. One store had a small display of both & the 2nd store didn't have a spot for either item. I found 2 scenes buried near the floor. I had walked by the display in one store the other day & missed them-thanks again, Pete Henningsen, Milford, Ct. ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Date: Monday, December 1, 2008 11:22 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1/64 stuff at Wally world To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Here is the picture of Mel's Diner: > > http://media.photobucket.com/image/mels%20diner/ekarlw/Mels_Image2.jpg?o=13 > > http://media.photobucket.com/image/mels%20diner/ekarlw/Mels_Image1.jpg?o=14 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Porter > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 22:09 > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 1/64 stuff at Wally world > > > Hi Pete, > > I just left the Wal-Mart in Royal Palm Beach, Florida with the > one and only > Mel's Diner they had in stock. Curiously, it says it is part > of Series III, > so, we can hope there are others to follow. Does anyone need a > photo of the > packaging? > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S- > Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of amerflyerwanted@... > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:13 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1/64 stuff at Wally world > > Jerry, Where are you located? I've checked 3 Wallys here in > Ct.-no luck! > Thanks,Pete > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release > Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51244	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: S-scale people

Rick Evans wrote: > > > > > What we need is people with no legs to put inside 1/64 cars. I am > > building a drive in movie theater and have 50 cars and no people > > inside. > > Maybe they all went to the snack bar at the same time. ;^) > > Rick. No rick, they are not at the snack bar.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51245	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: S-scale people

Nope. they are in the back seat!!! Mike In a message dated 12/2/2008 2:59:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, bassflyer@... writes: > What we need is people with no legs to put inside 1/64 cars. I am > building a drive in movie theater and have 50 cars and no people > inside. Maybe they all went to the snack bar at the same time. ;^) Rick. > > > > > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JAMES SLEETH <_aztecfan@..._ (mailto:aztecfan@ yahoo.com) > wrote: > >> From: JAMES SLEETH <_aztecfan@..._ (mailto:aztecfan@...) > >> Subject: Re: Bud Passengers >> To: _splsaab@..._ (mailto:splsaab@...) >> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 2:32 PM >> Hi >> >> Are these figures the same as Mike's figures. It seems >> I bought a bag of 50 for $25 not painted. >> >> Thanks >> >> Jim > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale.http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) ! Groups Links > > > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51246	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers

Jim, I use the MTH people for my cars, and my trusty Xacto saw to get rid of those pesky legs. The figures look better that way. But why don't you just frost the windows in the cars. After all, it's a drive-in movie, isn't it? And those people aren't getting out to go to the refreshment stand anyway.... Jerry Poniatowski Hacking and Chopping in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> wrote: > > What we need is people with no legs to put inside 1/64 cars. I am building a drive in movie theater and have 50 cars and no people inside. > > Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51247	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: FOR SALE

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51248	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers

Don't throw out the feet & legs...You might need them for a polling place...or shower @ the beach...Mike Or a few to hang out the back side window In a message dated 12/2/2008 6:41:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, davidwin@... writes: JAMES SLEETH wrote: > > > What we need is people with no legs to put inside 1/64 cars. I am > building a drive in movie theater and have 50 cars and no people inside. That's ok, you can't see the heads of people at the drive in anyway. What will you do for speakers? **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51249	From: Firewood	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Allegheny Re: Big Boy - Harry E

Harry, Thank you for the info.Much appreciated. If you get the chance to post photos, I will definitely be poring over them. Dave.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51250	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

Tim...you might try replacing your screws with those that have a rubber gromet under the head. These are used to mount metal roofing to trusses without causing leaks. Drilling the screw holes in the tie bigger will allow the ties not to touch the screw shank, and the rubber gromets will hold the track tightly without transmitting noise. Felt under the ties is a good idea too. Of course, you'll never stop all the running noise. Smaller scale trains are quieter because they are smaller, lighter, and contain more plastic than our old Flyer stuff. My display layouts are all based on extruded styrofoam and I've had no problem hearing the choo-choo sound on my old Flyer locos. Perhaps the sound resonance is actually helping the choo-choo to be heard, so you might feel it is a necessary evil. As to cleaning the track, you can rig up an old fashioned John Allen "dragger" track cleaner under a car and run it in a train regularly just as he did. It's a piece of Masonite, waffle side down, allowed to slide along the rails without scratching them as bright boys, sandpaper, or emery cloth does. I use one in every scale I have and it keeps rails shiny for smooth running hour after hour at train shows. Stumpy Stone...cold in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51251	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Tis' the season

Dave, you might get to help Annabelle get her tables etc in and set. See you there. Jim **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51252	From: David Engle	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

How about cork--as it comes in sheets 1/8" thick, fairly fine "grind". Had good luck with it on a previous layout under plastic and wood ties both. Also--try using Matte Medium as your ballast adhesive, thinned 1 part Matte to about 4 parts water--it never totally dries enough to go brittle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route Tim...you might try replacing your screws with those that have a rubber gromet under the head. These are used to mount metal roofing to trusses without causing leaks. Drilling the screw holes in the tie bigger will allow the ties not to touch the screw shank, and the rubber gromets will hold the track tightly without transmitting noise. Felt under the ties is a good idea too. Of course, you'll never stop all the running noise. Smaller scale trains are quieter because they are smaller, lighter, and contain more plastic than our old Flyer stuff. My display layouts are all based on extruded styrofoam and I've had no problem hearing the choo-choo sound on my old Flyer locos. Perhaps the sound resonance is actually helping the choo-choo to be heard, so you might feel it is a necessary evil. As to cleaning the track, you can rig up an old fashioned John Allen "dragger" track cleaner under a car and run it in a train regularly just as he did. It's a piece of Masonite, waffle side down, allowed to slide along the rails without scratching them as bright boys, sandpaper, or emery cloth does. I use one in every scale I have and it keeps rails shiny for smooth running hour after hour at train shows. Stumpy Stone...cold in eastern Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51253	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: MILW 261 and water tenders

The water tenders are un-numbered in the photos I took. Steve. In a message dated 12/02/2008 3:06:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, thorin.marty@... writes: Good afternoon: I am building a water tender and it needs a number. Does anyone know if MILW 261 was hauling a water tender? Does it have a number? Does anyone know of a valid number for one of the two water tenders 3985 was recently pulling? Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51254	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers

Oh for sure! I cut one dude in half, placed the top half in a convertible, the bottom half under a car at a gas station. Rick. > Don't throw out the feet & legs...You might need them for a polling > place...or shower @ the beach...Mike > Or a few to hang out the back side window > > > In a message dated 12/2/2008 6:41:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > davidwin@... writes: > > > > > > > JAMES SLEETH wrote: >> >> >> What we need is people with no legs to put inside 1/64 cars. I am >> building a drive in movie theater and have 50 cars and no people >> inside. > > That's ok, you can't see the heads of people at the drive in > anyway. What will you do for speakers? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51255	From: Bob Anson	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: FOR SALE

in the files section, or go to S-scale yahoo group and there are photos in the photo section Bob Anson %~) --- On Tue, 12/2/08, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FOR SALE To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 5:58 PM Hey Bob, Where is the forsale file? ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIYVbvok22UYgLYiSKyapW6sWT0xuqJDo4n4E7i7I0Iyv/ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51256	From: piccu56	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the celining level route

Your going through an awful lot of work just to bring the board noise down. All you need to do is buy Woodland Scenics foam roadbed, and screw your track down with the screws as normal. I did this to both my S and O layouts and even when I run O tinplate I get no board noise. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > My ceiling level layout has been running for a little over a month > now. It is incredible how fast the track gets dirty! With it > operating I was able to take on some other small projects which had > been put off during construction. Passenger cars are now lighted > with a recitfier/voltage regulator/capacitor/3 LED circuit resulting > in no flicker and bright lights that go out a few seconds after the > power is cut. > > Next I replaced the bellows on a 322SIT with a piston unit and > replaced the wick/element (35 ohms) while it was opened up. It > smokes a lot better now and the piston unit emits more of a chuff > than the bellows did. The clicking of the bellows linkage was as > loud or louder than the little chuff it made. The SIT motor got new > brushes, a polished commutator and a good lube but it still growls. > The drive motor on that engine growls quite a bit too even after a > good lube and cleaning. That being said, it is still the quietest > engine I have. The SIB engines make a lot more noise (chuffing) as > they should. I am contemplating a can motor for the 322 to bring > down the speed and noise... at half throttle it is going so fast > that the rods and valve gear are a blur. But first I am going to > wire a rectifier (maybe two in series) to drop the voltage to the > motor. The objective is to be able to hear the little chuff it > makes and still supply enough voltage to make some smoke. > > The shelf layout and track are responsible for some of the noise. I > had been warned that Gargraves track would be louder than solid rail > track. It is. A diesel set with 4 960's coaches makes a lot of > noise just from all of those wheels on the hollow track. A 312 > pulling 3 heavyweights makes less noise but that could just be the > chuff masking the wheel noise. > > In an effort to abate some of the noise I cut some pink foam sill > strip and placed it between a section of track and the 'table top'. > This eliminates some of the motor growl but not wheel noise. To my > amazement it also eliminates the sound of the chuff of the 322SIT. > That will never do. Next I will try a thin felt strip. > > But I think the problem is not so much insulating the wooden ties > from the wooden tabletop. It is insulating the track screws from > the ties to the tabletop. The track is fixed with screws that fit > tightly in the ties and tabletop. I am now thinking that making the > connection through the ties less tight that less of the motor sound > will be transmitted to the tabletop which despite every effore to > deaden it from underneath is acting as a sound board. > > The plan is to place a thin felt strip under the ties. Then enlarge > the screw holes in the ties almost twice the size of the screw > shaft. The hole in the ties will then be filled with black RTV > (silicon) and the screw pressed through and tightened before the RTV > sets up. > > Has anyone tried a method like this? I'll let you know how it works > out. > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51257	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

Thanks guys, I searched the messages last night for "noise" and got a concensus that the screws have to go. I'll use them one more time though. Stumpy suggested in a post a while back that silicon adhesive be used. I'll pick up some more black and clear RTV on my lunch break today. I'll back out the screws on a 10 foot section tonight and put a bead of RTV under the ties. Then I can use the screws loosely tightened to hold the track in place while it cures. The only question is whether to glue all the ties or just a few on either side of each screw. This list is a fantastic resource, thanks to the accumulated experience of those who contribute. You just can't buy that kind of knowledge. Much appreciated. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51258	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Casey Jones song

http://www.archive.org/details/Your_Hit_Parade_Casey_Jones Safe this site. It has old TV shows that are down loadable in higher quality then You Tube

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51259	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Ozzie and Harriet 1956 Christmas show

http://www.archive.org/details/Ozzie_and_Harriet_Christmas Safe this site. It has old TV shows that are down loadable in higher quality then You Tube

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51260	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: 1903 real train picking up mail.

http://www.archive.org/details/CEP00089 Safe this site. It has old TV shows that are down loadable in higher quality then You Tube

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51261	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Wanted 2 ends of Marx/K-line 2 story school house

Thanks in advance Jim S

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51262	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: A place to find the $9 car sences not found at Wal Mart

http://www.mini-motorsonline.com/product.php?productid=4 I tell everyone Wal-Mart sells more S gauge then any one!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51263	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Group of AF trains

Hi All, My knowledge of American Flyer is nominal. A friend sent me the following list of American Flyer items inquiring about their age, if they could have been a set or 2, and of course about their current worth. He is an avid PRR modeler in HO. I have not seen any photos. He did not mention if any rolling stock or set boxes are present, or their condition. If the action cars are supposed to have a base accessory, he did not mention if they are present. You should go with the assumption that he has the action car only. The group of trains is probably going to be for sale as a single group in the near future. I am just forwarding here since he is not a member of this group. Here is what I am looking for. Can you ID any of these items as a possible set or 2, or are they seemingly a random group? If you would like to reply with a NO returns, NO questions asked, NO photos seen before the purchase offer to buy them complete as a group I will forward your offer. I am not getting involved with broadcasting a bunch of photos of each item as that is too much like work. I feel sure he does not want to do that either. Here is his list: I thought I'd let you know what I found. I looked a bit closer at what I was given and everything looks like it is circa 1954-56. That includes the following: 303 - 4-4-2 steam loco and tender (Reading/AF) 371 - Geep (silver) 801 - B&O Hopper 804 - N&W gon 806 - Caboose 906 - crane 907 - boom car 909 - flat car with girder 931 - T&P gon (close spaced lettering) 970 - Seaboard boxcar with brakeman 25019 - Gilbert milk car with cans There are 2 transformers, a bunch of track and original 1954 instructions. Much of this is in fair to good condition. Please reply directly to bill@... Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51264	From: detmer5694	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Mel's Diner

Hi guys, I went to Wally World today and looked for Mel's Diner with no success. However, the sales staff there was helpful and suggested that I try Toys R Us and Target. So I went to Toys R Us and there they were! They had the Mel's Diner with the black car and also the tire shop interior and the mechanics garage interior. Each one was $9.95. The latter two things might be useful for doctoring up the interior of a Plasticville service station or even a custom built one. I just thought I'd mention them. They also had M2 cars there. I did go to Target to see what they had and there was nothing there. Tom Detmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51265	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Mels diner etc

Here is another link, Mike _http://www.collectablediecast.com/index.asp?PageAction=PRODSEARCH&txtSearch=moments&Page=1_ (http://www.collectablediecast.com/index.asp?PageAction=PRODSEARCH&txtSearch=moments&Page=1) **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51266	From: William Porter	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Mel's Diner

It looks like we an opportunity for collections of variations. My Mel's Diner has a yellow coupe. I have noticed on eBay and elsewhere that the set up scenes have various cars and not all the same. There is a guy on eBay right now selling one of the set ups with no car at all for the retail price of a setup with car. I have also seen some of the parts from one set up (tool boxes, drill press, etc) in a different scene with a different name. The parts may be painted a different color. I wonder how many combinations and variation there are. That is a good hint about the other toy stores. Right now, I have 5 of the things. I bought them to use the parts on my layout, but, they are pretty cool just by themselves. Maybe I need to get doubles so that I can do both. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of detmer5694 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Mel's Diner Hi guys, I went to Wally World today and looked for Mel's Diner with no success. However, the sales staff there was helpful and suggested that I try Toys R Us and Target. So I went to Toys R Us and there they were! They had the Mel's Diner with the black car and also the tire shop interior and the mechanics garage interior. Each one was $9.95. The latter two things might be useful for doctoring up the interior of a Plasticville service station or even a custom built one. I just thought I'd mention them. They also had M2 cars there. I did go to Target to see what they had and there was nothing there. Tom Detmer _._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51267	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

Hi David, Where did you find cork sheets? I'd like to try that on a section before I make too hast of a decision. Thanks and regards, Tim Benner On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:09 PM, David Engle <RIRocket@...> wrote: > How about cork--as it comes in sheets 1/8" thick, fairly fine "grind". > Had good luck with it on a previous layout under plastic and wood ties both. > Also--try using Matte Medium as your ballast adhesive, thinned 1 part Matte > to about 4 parts water--it never totally dries enough to go brittle. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stumpy Stone > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:05 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route > > Tim...you might try replacing your screws with those that have a rubber > gromet under the head. These are used to mount metal roofing to > trusses without causing leaks. > Drilling the screw holes in the tie bigger will allow the ties not to > touch the screw shank, and the rubber gromets will hold the track > tightly without transmitting noise. > Felt under the ties is a good idea too. Of course, you'll never stop > all the running noise. Smaller scale trains are quieter because they > are smaller, lighter, and contain more plastic than our old Flyer stuff. > My display layouts are all based on extruded styrofoam and I've had no > problem hearing the choo-choo sound on my old Flyer locos. Perhaps the > sound resonance is actually helping the choo-choo to be heard, so you > might feel it is a necessary evil. > As to cleaning the track, you can rig up an old fashioned John > Allen "dragger" track cleaner under a car and run it in a train > regularly just as he did. It's a piece of Masonite, waffle side down, > allowed to slide along the rails without scratching them as bright > boys, sandpaper, or emery cloth does. I use one in every scale I have > and it keeps rails shiny for smooth running hour after hour at train > shows. > Stumpy Stone...cold in eastern Ahia. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51268	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Tis' the season

Um... Excuse me, Is ther LIFE on rails west of PA?? One wouldn't think so to read most posts on most groups! WHASUPP widat?? LOL! ~ I think I'll name one of my RR's the Lozd & Forlourne!! My S has already been dubbed the "Kickin' 'S'!" - "It don't take mauch to do the Job, when You're Kickin 'S'!! LOL! ~Justin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51269	From: Grant	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Flynel animated caboose question

It just came in the mail and put it on the layout and was wondering if the little guy is supposed to be pathetic? He barely moves on the back of the caboose and was hoping there might be a set screw for shipping or something.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51270	From: Greg Klein	Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: B&O Museum - 2008 Festival of Trains

The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club is operating this week at the B&O Museum in Baltimore, Maryland, as part of this year's Festival of Trains. We will be operating from Thursday, December 4 through Sunday, December 7. If you live in the Baltimore-Washington area stop by and enjoy a visit with American Flyer trains.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51271	From: T Larson	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: GreenLight

Some very nice 1/64th items, especially from Greenlight at this site http://www.mini-motorsonline.com/manufacturers.php?manufacturerid=1&sort=&sort_direction=&page=4 It is very nice to finally see some items that DON'T have white sidewalls and fancy wheel covers. Many vehicles "back then" had black walls and small hubcaps. I can't vouch that every Greenlight is exact 1/64th scale, but all the ones I have bought are correct, or so close that I can't tell the difference. btw, this vendor is a new member of the PPSSW. Ted Larson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51272	From: G C	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Bud Passengers

Jerry, Couldn't resist this one. The other day someone said you could save the legs from a "cut up figure" and place them under a car being repaired or hang them out a back window. Just goes to show Science was wrong. You can be in two places at the same time. If only we could do that - just think what we could get done. L.O.L. Keep "cutting them up". Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51273	From: G C	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Mel's Diner

Bill, I got two of the car shop ones boxed as "American Graffiti Moments In Time" They were different as to the tools and detail items. Each of them had a different name. I already finished cutting the walls apart and have removed the details from the plastic base. Not too difficult , but like anything else it requires time and patience. I plan to use everything including the wall sections for a kit-bashed gas station. The floor height will have to be adjusted so that it just touches the bottoms of the tool chests etc. My only casualties were my cut finger and one of the small trash cans (managed to salvage the can). Something about this particular finger though - It always seems to get in the way. L.O.L. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51274	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Dutchway Farm Market

Folks IF you haven't been to DUTCHWAY yet (375 Rt 41, GAP, PA 17527) this is some of what you are missing. 10 AM til 8 PM Friday and Saturday, the 5th and 6th, returning same time the 10th thru the 13th. The PVMR (Pequea Valley Model Railroaders) hosted by Dutchway Farm Market have been setting up a train layout in the lobby for many years, kids have figured out who owns and manages the store and start to ask in the Fall when the trains are coming back. The pic of Kyle Semple is indicative of this. Kyle is FOUR, first saw the trains as a babe in arms, has peered from a shopping cart (and tried unsuccessfully many times to crawl out, Mom is QUICK) has stood on tiptoes to see the trains and this year I handed him the throttle to the "Express". He did well, as was expected. Jared (almost six) will join us after school and on Saturdays as will many children whose names we don't know. The Amish love the trains as do most of the "older" generation who reminise. More than one "older" person comes back every day and just watches from "afar". IF you have trains, share them, the experience is UNFORGETTABLE. Jim " **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51275	From: Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Sorry I have to ask this...

Hi Everyone, I've tried seaching this site and I can't seem to find an answer. I'm sure it's been asked many times but is there a simple way to run my AC powered locos and diesels on DC power? Do I have to work with each engine to convert it? or just use a DC transformer? I should know the answer to this but I don't. Thank you in advance for your responses. All the best, Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51276	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: IF you haven't been to Dutchway----SECOND TRY

_http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html) Folks IF you haven't been to DUTCHWAY yet (375 Rt 41, GAP, PA 17527) this is some of what you are missing. 10 AM til 8 PM Friday and Saturday, the 5th and 6th, returning same time the 10th thru the 13th. The PVMR (Pequea Valley Model Railroaders) hosted by Dutchway Farm Market have been setting up a train layout in the lobby for many years, kids have figured out who owns and manages the store and start to ask in the Fall when the trains are coming back. The pic of Kyle Semple is indicative of this. Kyle is FOUR, first saw the trains as a babe in arms, has peered from a shopping cart (and tried unsuccessfully many times to crawl out, Mom is QUICK) has stood on tiptoes to see the trains and this year I handed him the throttle to the "Express". He did well, as was expected. Jared (almost six) will join us after school and on Saturdays as will many children whose names we don't know. The Amish love the trains as do most of the "older" generation who reminise. More than one "older" person comes back every day and just watches from "afar". IF you have trains, share them, the experience is UNFORGETTABLE. Jim "training on the Dutchway Line" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51277	From: amflyers53	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Ozzie and Harriet 1956 Christmas show

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "AZTECFAN" <aztecfan@...> wrote: > > http://www.archive.org/details/Ozzie_and_Harriet_Christmas > > Safe this site. It has old TV shows that are down loadable in higher > quality then You Tube > Boy, Did that bring back alot of good old memories. Thanks, for the link. It takes us back to a much simpler time and around the time most of us recieved American Flyer trains for Christmas. Although you don't here from me very often, I read the Digest every day. I have met some of you at the 2004 Seattle Train Show, and at a few Flyer Fest West Shows when I road with my friends Steve and Sam of SnS Trains. So keep up the great information and links like this. I know it's early but, Have A Very Merry Christmas and a Great New Year. Greg Bolton Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51278	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: This is for your enjoyment of the past. Christmas is a time of memor

http://thefiftiesandsixties.com/CarsWeDrove.htm%c2%a0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51279	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/5/2008
Subject: Re: This is for your enjoyment of the past. Christmas is a time of m

Very coooooooool Dadddy-oh!! LOL! I enjoyed it very much! Good Job! Justin On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:54 PM, JAMES SLEETH wrote: > http://thefiftiesandsixties.com/CarsWeDrove.htm > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51280	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...

Just use the DC transformer, but you will need one with enough amperage to handle the current hog Flyer locos. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 12/04/2008 11:01:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, colleenandrob@... writes: Hi Everyone, I've tried seaching this site and I can't seem to find an answer. I'm sure it's been asked many times but is there a simple way to run my AC powered locos and diesels on DC power? Do I have to work with each engine to convert it? or just use a DC transformer? I should know the answer to this but I don't. Thank you in advance for your responses. All the best, Rob **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51281	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/5/2008
Subject: Sorry I have to ask this

Rob...The old American Flyer AC motors will run on DC power, and a few Flyer locos were DC to begin with (look for DC after the number on the side of the cab such as "332DC".) All the modern manufacture actually have DC can motors, but run on AC so they are compatable with the old trains. They can be run on DC. Better than trying to use a large DC pack would be to put a rectifier and a reversing switch in line between the AC transformer and the track. You will still be fighting power hungry old, tired, and less efficient motors, and nothing with old AC motors seems to run well on DC power. Not long after I returned to S Gauge, I discovered that installing a DC can motor in my old Flyer locos solved a world of problems! I have replaced every motor with a DC can motor. This allows you to eliminate the problematic reverse unit, the motor runs much smoother and cooler, and reversing direction is the flip of a switch rather than the stop-go- stop-deal! Even my biggest engine now runs on an off the shelf MRC 6200 pack, I have run the lighter, less power demanding Putt Trains locos on a common Bachmann HO set pack. I love steam engines, and my current fleet consists of nine old Flyer locos, seven Putt locos, and one Flyonel loco all running DC, plus seven old Flyer locos in the shop for rebuilding that will be DC powered. Lest one think I baby my trains, I run them for hours at a time at train shows on my display latouts. I buy my DC can motor conversion kits from SnS Trains in Boise, Idaho and feel they are a top quality product. Stumpy Stone...rebuilder of "lost locos"...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51282	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/5/2008
Subject: finding pictures tip.

I have posted the links to pictures I have up loaded and people have missed them. Here is what I do. Every group e-mail as a photo link and the number of new pictures added. So always look at these first and you will never miss any new photos that were posted in the e-mail your reading. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51283	From: Mike Vana	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Mel's Diner - Buy it online

I was interested in getting a Mel's Diner for a friend named Mel and another for myself, and went to the nearby Toys R Us store. I didn't find any there, and when I asked, the sales girl looked at the store computer to see if they had any. They didn't carry them, she said, but I got the idea to go to their website. Sure enough, I found them on the website www.toysrus.com by searching with "American Graffiti". There are several items listed, but look for the 1932 Ford Coupe. The price for each is $9.99. Shipping for my two was $4.84, and they charge sales tax where applicable. It seems that Toys R Us had six other diaramas besides Mel's Diner, but they are sold out of some. I hope this helps. I don't know if they were cheaper anywhere else, but it sure beats driving to all the different stores until you find one. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51284	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mel's Diner - Buy it online

I didn't find Mel's diner, but several other packages, like general store, gas station, etc. are available at the following page for $7. Shipping was reasonable also. http://www.mini-motorsonline.com/home.php Dave W. Mike Vana wrote: > > > I was interested in getting a Mel's Diner > for a friend named Mel and another for myself, > and went to the nearby Toys R Us store. > I didn't find any there, and when I asked, > the sales girl looked at the store computer > to see if they had any. They didn't carry them, > she said, but I got the idea to go to their website. > > Sure enough, I found them on the website > > www.toysrus.com > > by searching with "American Graffiti". There are > several items listed, but look for the 1932 Ford > Coupe. The price for each is $9.99. Shipping > for my two was $4.84, and they charge sales tax > where applicable. It seems that Toys R Us had > six other diaramas besides Mel's Diner, > but they are sold out of some. > > I hope this helps. I don't know if they were cheaper > anywhere else, but it sure beats driving to all the > different stores until you find one. > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51285	From: orail2	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Johnson's Rubber Roadbed

I thought I'd give everyone an update about this product. The Johnsons unfortunately are going out of business. I did get some of the wide radius roadbed I wanted from one of their dealers since they are all out of it right now and don't plan to produce any more. The Johnson's themselves still have the regular straights and curves but once it's gone, it's gone. I just got a big batch of it from them preferring it over collecting the original. Just FYI. Phil

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51286	From: Jim King	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Southern wood rack in S scale

Pulpwood racks are considered to be "fleet cars" since they ran in large numbers between wood yards and paper mills. In the late 60s, it was common to see Roman and Block font cars side by side. To help S scale modelers build that fleet, I am now offering a 3-pack option of the upcoming Southern Ry. 1951 "Spencer rebuild". Over 4100 of these cars were built from DD, DS boxcars between 1951 and at least early 1953. The unique 4/4 "reversed Dreadnaught" end is a real attention-getter. About one-quarter of the fleet was still running in 1973, so having examples of this ubiquitous car on your layout is logical, even if just for interchange purposes or spotted at your local wood yard, since cars did travel off line. You can now mix and match the paint schemes as desired within the 3-pack option. This option is not listed on my web site (yet) but will be kit no. 64-W1-3, priced at $189 (10% off the individual retail prices) plus $10 shipping per order. If you order more than just this "package", you pay no more shipping (in the Lower 48), so stock up on other kits in the product line. They make great Christmas gifts! To secure your cars, please send a 50% non-refundable deposit of your order total. Contact me off-list if using a credit card. Target release date for both cars is January, 2009. Go to this link to view prototype photos of both paint schemes, descriptions and single-kit pricing: http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/soupulpwood.html Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51287	From: John Degnan	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Selling out : 1/64 Automobiles

I have a small lot of 1/64 automobiles, etc for sale... click the following link to view/download a MS Excel file listing them : www.trainweb.org/seaboard/ODDSTUFF/1-64ScaleVehicles.xls Asking $32 for the lot plus $8 for shipping. Will sell individually. All must go before Christmas. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51288	From: Dave Farquhar	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: IRS figures from 1993?

I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about these. I picked up a dozen or so metal figures, roughly 1.125" tall or so (close to S gauge range) at a train show today. They're marked IRS 93 on the bottom, some say made in China. The style tends toward the early 20th, perhaps late 19th century. They're unpainted (or at least meant to look unpainted), but look like they may have been artificially aged with some dark ink or paint and some lacquer. Has anyone seen anything like these before? It seems a shame that I'm discovering them 15 years after they were made. Dave Farquhar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51289	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Re: Southern wood rack in S scale

Hi Jim -- I presume (!) that I won't need to send a deposit because of the trade... Have fun! Bill Winans To secure your cars, please send a 50% non-refundable deposit of your order total. Jim King

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51290	From: John Degnan	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Re: Selling out : 1/64 Automobiles - SOLD!!!

All items are sold. Thanks to everyone who replied. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51291	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/7/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51292	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mel's Diner - Buy it online

Mike Vana wrote: > > > I was interested in getting a Mel's Diner > for a friend named Mel and another for myself, > and went to the nearby Toys R Us store. > I stopped by a local Toys R Us this afternoon and they had three of the four American Graffiti models including the Mel's Diner. Hadn't been in one of those stores in years and was surprised at some of the toys that are still around from my childhood like Legos, Lincoln Logs, and Tinker Toys. They even has two different RTR HO train sets on the shelves from Life-Like. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51293	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Greenberg Show

Linda and I went to the Greenberg show in Timonium. On the way we past the Howard County Fairgrounds where we saw a bunch of people staring at piles of lumber and lots of cars. Then we saw the sign for what it was. It was a Building Material Show. I am sorry I missed that one!!!!! Could of gotten a deal on a pile of lumber. LOL The Greenberg show was quite busy due to Christmas. I picked up a few Plasticville parts I needed, as I got a Plasticville American Flag on a tall pole for the baseball field. I got some light sockets for some plasticville building and the seller told me to try some green bulbs in the buildings for a better effect. I did not like the result. Oh well, I have 4 green bulbs to put in with the rest of things I do not need. LOL This evening I worked on my first Ballpark light. The wider tubes are perfect, as I have the first set of upright and crossarms painted with Testors steel paint. I think one coat will be fine. then I can assemble the 8 lights on it. MY order from Scenic Express came yesterday with more grass mats and 2 units of there medium dirt. It came in 2 qt container for 12 dollars and it is so real looking. I probably only needed the one jar. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51295	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: Green Bulbs

I wrote earlier about how I did not like the green bulbs I got today in Plasticville buildings, as the vendor said it would be a good effect. Actually I tried one in the barn and that is perfect. So it worked out okay in the end. I got one set of ball park lights painted. Looks good. I will assemble tomorrow. Maybe I will have one set of lights working at the ballpark tomorrow also. Pictures to follow. The steel testors paint worked real well on the Evergreen Plastic tubes. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51296	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

Does anyone see a potential problem using weatherstripping felt for track underlayment? I tried reducing noise by isolating the screws, enlarging the holes in the ties. This helps. I also tried foam bed which also helps some. But the best noise reducing result so far has been felt weatherstrip. It almost eliminates the motor whine/growl. It also eliminates the rumble of something heavy going over your head. The track 7 feet up there will never be ballasted so a waterproof quality is not necessary. Just wondering if there is a down side to it. Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51297	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: IRS figures from 1993?

Are you sure IRS 93  means they were made in 1993 ?   What is IRS  standing for? --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Dave Farquhar <dlfarquhar@...> wrote: From: Dave Farquhar <dlfarquhar@...> Subject: [S-Trains] IRS figures from 1993? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 12:16 PM I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about these. I picked up a dozen or so metal figures, roughly 1.125" tall or so (close to S gauge range) at a train show today. They're marked IRS 93 on the bottom, some say made in China. The style tends toward the early 20th, perhaps late 19th century. They're unpainted (or at least meant to look unpainted), but look like they may have been artificially aged with some dark ink or paint and some lacquer. Has anyone seen anything like these before? It seems a shame that I'm discovering them 15 years after they were made. Dave Farquhar [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51298	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

Hi Tim,   There is a product called Homasote. It is made from recycled newspaper and used for floor underlayment. It has great soundproofing qualities and will hold model railroad spikes if you hand-lay your own track (I know this is not important in your situation). The material is 1/2" thick as well. It is sold in 4' X 8' sheets at home centers and building supplies. You can go to the Homasote website to locate a dealer near you. It will be a lot better than the felt and your equipment will not pick up the lint into the motor as it would with weather-stripping felt.   One small drawback is that you need to cut it outside or use a knife-blade in your jigsaw. The other method is with a utility knife but keep a supply of spare blades as it really dulls the blades fast.   I hope this helps, Nick --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> wrote: From: Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 2:11 PM Does anyone see a potential problem using weatherstripping felt for track underlayment? I tried reducing noise by isolating the screws, enlarging the holes in the ties. This helps. I also tried foam bed which also helps some. But the best noise reducing result so far has been felt weatherstrip. It almost eliminates the motor whine/growl. It also eliminates the rumble of something heavy going over your head. The track 7 feet up there will never be ballasted so a waterproof quality is not necessary. Just wondering if there is a down side to it. Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51299	From: Lou &Lois Templeton	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Greenberg Show

Mike, The stuff from Scenic Express is super. The fellow who runs it is super also. Our Pittsburgh S group went out to his warehouse/manufacturing site and did a clinic on landscaping. Afterwards we roamed the isles and bought some neat things and just looked at all the assortment of things he has for sale. At the Pgh. Greenburg show this summer Scenic Express was there. I talked about the different size ballast for my layout, and he went out of his way to find some plastic bags to give me a handful of different grit sizes for me to try on my layout. You really appreciate service like that. Lou Templeton ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Cookie Flannery ; Ralph Loveless ; steve Conard Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg Show Linda and I went to the Greenberg show in Timonium. On the way we past the Howard County Fairgrounds where we saw a bunch of people staring at piles of lumber and lots of cars. Then we saw the sign for what it was. It was a Building Material Show. I am sorry I missed that one!!!!! Could of gotten a deal on a pile of lumber. LOL The Greenberg show was quite busy due to Christmas. I picked up a few Plasticville parts I needed, as I got a Plasticville American Flag on a tall pole for the baseball field. I got some light sockets for some plasticville building and the seller told me to try some green bulbs in the buildings for a better effect. I did not like the result. Oh well, I have 4 green bulbs to put in with the rest of things I do not need. LOL This evening I worked on my first Ballpark light. The wider tubes are perfect, as I have the first set of upright and crossarms painted with Testors steel paint. I think one coat will be fine. then I can assemble the 8 lights on it. MY order from Scenic Express came yesterday with more grass mats and 2 units of there medium dirt. It came in 2 qt container for 12 dollars and it is so real looking. I probably only needed the one jar. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51300	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Mels diner etc

I wish for you to say Mike who when you wright a reply to the S-trains group. --- On Wed, 12/3/08, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Mels diner etc To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 6:50 PM Here is another link, Mike _http://www.collecta blediecast. com/index. asp?PageAction= PRODSEARCH& txtSearch= moments&Page= 1_ (http://www.collecta blediecast. com/index. asp?PageAction= PRODSEARCH& txtSearch= moments&Page= 1) ************ **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51301	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

In a message dated 12/7/2008 2:55:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, tim.benner@... writes: Does anyone see a potential problem using weatherstripping felt for track underlayment Catching dust???? Would be interested to read, plan on installing a ceiling layout by the end of the year. Jim Lyle **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51302	From: Dave Farquhar	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: IRS figures from 1993?

I don't know what the initials IRS stand for. Examining the figures I got, I found one with 92 written on it, and searching the web I found a set of Christmas carolers marked IRS 99. So that suggests whoever made these was active in the 1990s, perhaps for several years. Given the Victorian theme of the figures I have and the Christmas carolers I found online, maybe they were intended for some type of holiday village. Dave Farquhar --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > Are you sure IRS 93� means they were made in 1993 ? > � > What is IRS� standing for?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51303	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

OH MY YES! DON"T DO IT! ;-D !! You'll have lint in your locos for DAYS! That'd be a nightmare! ~ Justin Dancing Hawk On Dec 7, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Tim Benner wrote: > Does anyone see a potential problem using weatherstripping felt for > track underlayment? > > I tried reducing noise by isolating the screws, enlarging the holes in > the ties. This helps. I also tried foam bed which also helps some. > But the best noise reducing result so far has been felt weatherstrip. > It almost eliminates the motor whine/growl. It also eliminates the > rumble of something heavy going over your head. The track 7 feet up > there will never be ballasted so a waterproof quality is not > necessary. Just wondering if there is a down side to it. > > Regards, > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51304	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: GreenLight

has any one seen a 1954 Cheverolet?   any scale.   S would be nice. --- On Thu, 12/4/08, T Larson <mhrre@...> wrote: From: T Larson <mhrre@...> Subject: [S-Trains] GreenLight To: "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 5:57 PM Some very nice 1/64th items, especially from Greenlight at this site http://www.mini- motorsonline. com/manufacturer s.php?manufactur erid=1&sort= &sort_direction= &page=4 It is very nice to finally see some items that DON'T have white sidewalls and fancy wheel covers. Many vehicles "back then" had black walls and small hubcaps. I can't vouch that every Greenlight is exact 1/64th scale, but all the ones I have bought are correct, or so close that I can't tell the difference. btw, this vendor is a new member of the PPSSW. Ted Larson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51305	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...

I was told if you (try to) run a DC engine with AC you burn out the engine.    BUT  big BUT   an AC engine can run on DC and not get burned out.   and light bulbs do not care. --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest <colleenandrob@...> wrote: From: Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest <colleenandrob@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Sorry I have to ask this... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:13 PM Hi Everyone, I've tried seaching this site and I can't seem to find an answer. I'm sure it's been asked many times but is there a simple way to run my AC powered locos and diesels on DC power? Do I have to work with each engine to convert it? or just use a DC transformer? I should know the answer to this but I don't. Thank you in advance for your responses. All the best, Rob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51306	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/7/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51307	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...

You can run a DC engine/Motor on AC if you use a bridge rectifier. Mike Who PS: I think that light bulbs do care but you can't see it In a message dated 12/7/2008 2:54:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mikenguy9@... writes: I was told if you (try to) run a DC engine with AC you burn out the engine. BUT big BUT an AC engine can run on DC and not get burned out. and light bulbs do not care. --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest <_colleenandrob@colleenan_ (mailto:colleenandrob@...) > wrote: From: Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest <_colleenandrob@colleenan_ (mailto:colleenandrob@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] Sorry I have to ask this... To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:13 PM Hi Everyone, I've tried seaching this site and I can't seem to find an answer. I'm sure it's been asked many times but is there a simple way to run my AC powered locos and diesels on DC power? Do I have to work with each engine to convert it? or just use a DC transformer? I should know the answer to this but I don't. Thank you in advance for your responses. All the best, Rob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51308	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: '54 Chevy

Hot Wheels made a '53 that came in a set. It was a Low Rider set though. Rick. On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:57 PM, mike rosz wrote: > has any one seen a 1954 Cheverolet? > > any scale. > > S would be nice. > > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, T Larson <mhrre@...> wrote: > > From: T Larson <mhrre@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] GreenLight > To: "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 5:57 PM > > > > > > > Some very nice 1/64th items, especially from Greenlight at this site > http://www.mini- motorsonline. com/manufacturer s.php?manufactur > erid=1&sort= &sort_direction= &page=4 > It is very nice to finally see some items that DON'T have white > sidewalls and fancy wheel covers. Many vehicles "back then" had black > walls and small hubcaps. > > I can't vouch that every Greenlight is exact 1/64th scale, but all the > ones I have bought are correct, or so close that I can't tell the > difference. > > btw, this vendor is a new member of the PPSSW. > > Ted Larson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51309	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...

You don't need a bridge rectifier unless you are planning to use the dc polarity to control the direction of the engine. the regular reverse unit will take care of that on ac or dc. the gilbert flyer dc advertising showed independent control of dc and ac locomotive directions by interrupting the ac to control the one and reversing the dc to control the other. no mods to the ac locomotive required.   Bill Drake way too early to be this cold in St. Louis --- On Sun, 12/7/08, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sorry I have to ask this... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 6:01 PM You can run a DC engine/Motor on AC if you use a bridge rectifier. Mike Who PS: I think that light bulbs do care but you can't see it In a message dated 12/7/2008 2:54:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mikenguy9@yahoo. com writes: I was told if you (try to) run a DC engine with AC you burn out the engine. BUT big BUT an AC engine can run on DC and not get burned out. and light bulbs do not care. --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest <_colleenandrob@ colleenan_ (mailto:colleenandrob@ yahoo.com) > wrote: From: Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest <_colleenandrob@ colleenan_ (mailto:colleenandrob@ yahoo.com) > Subject: [S-Trains] Sorry I have to ask this... To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:13 PM Hi Everyone, I've tried seaching this site and I can't seem to find an answer. I'm sure it's been asked many times but is there a simple way to run my AC powered locos and diesels on DC power? Do I have to work with each engine to convert it? or just use a DC transformer? I should know the answer to this but I don't. Thank you in advance for your responses. All the best, Rob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51310	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...

You are right in the case of the AC motor. But for the DC motor you would need the B.Rectifier. The AC current with its alternating would cause the DC motor to "STALL" because the Field is made from per. magnets. The AC motor's field is generated by electro magnets. Mike Who In a message dated 12/7/2008 3:16:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ee_train@... writes: You don't need a bridge rectifier unless you are planning to use the dc polarity to control the direction of the engine. the regular reverse unit will take care of that on ac or dc. the gilbert flyer dc advertising showed independent control of dc and ac locomotive directions by interrupting the ac to control the one and reversing the dc to control the other. no mods to the ac locomotive required. Bill Drake way too early to be this cold in St. Louis --- On Sun, 12/7/08, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > wrote: From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sorry I have to ask this... To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 6:01 PM You can run a DC engine/Motor on AC if you use a bridge rectifier. Mike Who PS: I think that light bulbs do care but you can't see it In a message dated 12/7/2008 2:54:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mikenguy9@yahoo. com writes: I was told if you (try to) run a DC engine with AC you burn out the engine. BUT big BUT an AC engine can run on DC and not get burned out. and light bulbs do not care. --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest <_colleenandrob@ colleenan_ (mailto:colleenandr(mailto:colleen> wrote: From: Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest <_colleenandrob@ colleenan_ (mailto:colleenandr(mailto:colleen> Subject: [S-Trains] Sorry I have to ask this... To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@To: _S-Trains@yaho Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:13 PM Hi Everyone, I've tried seaching this site and I can't seem to find an answer. I'm sure it's been asked many times but is there a simple way to run my AC powered locos and diesels on DC power? Do I have to work with each engine to convert it? or just use a DC transformer? I should know the answer to this but I don't. Thank you in advance for your responses. All the best, Rob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (_http://www.aol._ (http://www.aol./) com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51311	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...

Hi Mike Who   You are correct and it is slightly worse as the ac on the dc motor will produce a lot of heat and contribute to demagnetizing the field magnets resulting in a non motor. There is a lot of research on motors and dc versus ac operation. It appears that ac operation of a universal motor makes the brushes last longer. Something to do with less arcing due to the polarity reversal helping with the point of disconnect when the armature transfers to the next winding. On light bulbs, dc makes the bulbs last longer with the theory being that magnetostriction of the filament is worse with ac resulting in metal fatigue of the filament.   Most of this is remembered from school a long time ago so there may be more recent updates to the technical aspects.   Ye who have it balmy in Jackson County   Bill Drake still way too cold in St. Louis --- On Sun, 12/7/08, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sorry I have to ask this... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 6:21 PM You are right in the case of the AC motor. But for the DC motor you would need the B.Rectifier. The AC current with its alternating would cause the DC motor to "STALL" because the Field is made from per. magnets. The AC motor's field is generated by electro magnets. Mike Who In a message dated 12/7/2008 3:16:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ee_train@yahoo. com writes: You don't need a bridge rectifier unless you are planning to use the dc polarity to control the direction of the engine. the regular reverse unit will take care of that on ac or dc. the gilbert flyer dc advertising showed independent control of dc and ac locomotive directions by interrupting the ac to control the one and reversing the dc to control the other. no mods to the ac locomotive required. Bill Drake way too early to be this cold in St. Louis --- On Sun, 12/7/08, _anormal1@aol. ano_ (mailto:anormal1@aol. com) <_anormal1@aol. ano_ (mailto:anormal1@aol. com) > wrote: From: _anormal1@aol. ano_ (mailto:anormal1@aol. com) <_anormal1@aol. ano_ (mailto:anormal1@aol. com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sorry I have to ask this... To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 6:01 PM You can run a DC engine/Motor on AC if you use a bridge rectifier. Mike Who PS: I think that light bulbs do care but you can't see it In a message dated 12/7/2008 2:54:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mikenguy9@yahoo. com writes: I was told if you (try to) run a DC engine with AC you burn out the engine. BUT big BUT an AC engine can run on DC and not get burned out. and light bulbs do not care. --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest <_colleenandrob@ colleenan_ (mailto:colleenandr (mailto:colleen> wrote: From: Rob Auerbach 901 Woodycrest <_colleenandrob@ colleenan_ (mailto:colleenandr (mailto:colleen> Subject: [S-Trains] Sorry I have to ask this... To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ To: _S-Trains@yaho Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:13 PM Hi Everyone, I've tried seaching this site and I can't seem to find an answer. I'm sure it's been asked many times but is there a simple way to run my AC powered locos and diesels on DC power? Do I have to work with each engine to convert it? or just use a DC transformer? I should know the answer to this but I don't. Thank you in advance for your responses. All the best, Rob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (_http://www.aol _ (http://www.aol /) com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51312	From: afjerryk5	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: '54 chevy

M2 machines makes a good looking '54 chevy Bel Air sport coupe(2 door hardtop).I've seen them in red/white and blue/white.Try Wal-Mart or Toys R Us. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51313	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

Not really dust, but lint, felt droppings, fibers that wrap around the axles and motor armeture, like when you operate trains on a carpet.   Nick Kulp     Catching dust????  Would be interested to read, plan on installing a ceiling layout by the end of the year [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51314	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: GreenLight

I saw a full scale 1954 Chevy. Mike Who In a message dated 12/7/2008 2:54:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mikenguy9@... writes: has any one seen a 1954 Cheverolet? any scale. S would be nice.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51315	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...

I agree. Mike Who

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51316	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Contro

I seem to recall seeing a diagram once on how to hook them up together. I can't find it anyplace. Can anybody tell me whether and how to do it?   Thanks.   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51317	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: 54 Chevy

I have a 54 Nomad, white with red stripes, Johnny Lightning, model 457- 03. I picked it up at Hobby Lobby for $2.99 at a 1/2 price sale some years ago. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51318	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

Justin,   It sounded stupid when I wrote it too but then I remembered the 302 that fried it's motor because of it when I was a kid. From that year on, my father set up a "platform" to keep the train off of the carpet.     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51319	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: '54 chevy

We have them in several different colors. See VEHICLES, on our website. <<M2 machines makes a good looking '54 chevy Bel Air sport coupe(2 door hardtop).I've seen them in red/white and blue/white.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51320	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

No experience with felt weatherstripping- but I can add another "no-no" to the list for track bases. A couple years ago I bought some green felt material to lay over a sheet of plywood for my son's O gauge Christmas village. We wanted something temporary because most of the year the board is in storage. Most of his track is Lionel Fastrack, and it worked fine. He had an inner loop set up with O-27 tabular track. The loco on that loop picked up fibers/filaments from the felt. Fortunately, he saw what was happening and we got it all cleaned out before it wrapped too tightly to cause damage. I replaced the felt material with carpet for this year's display just a couple days ago. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> > Justin, > � > It sounded stupid when I wrote it too but then I remembered the 302 that fried > it's motor because of it when I was a kid. From that year on, my father set up a > "platform" to keep the train off of the carpet. > � > � > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51321	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: In case you didn't notice...

While most of you can post on here any time of the day, you may have noticed that I usually only post in the mornings. This is because it's the only time I can get on the computer! My wife is addicted to playing games and puzzles on this thing, and I don't often get another chance to get on here until she goes to bed! So this is why you see several posts and then nothing. I do get to slip on here and check e-mail while she takes bathroom breaks, but otherwise I'm out of touch with the rest of the world electronically! Help! Even prisoners don't have a ball and chain anymore! Uh, oh, her she comes..... Stumpy Stone...computer access limited in Appalachia ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51322	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...

Okay, we've established you can run an old Gilbert AC motor on DC power. And, we've established that with difficulty we can run a DC motor on AC power. The question for me is...why would you want to? My own experiance, and that of others, shows that DC power is the way to go. It is only to make the modern trains compatable with the old ones that today's manufacturers bother with AC. New trains have DC can mototrs and the manufacturers have to add extra electronics, including an otherwise redundant reverse unit, to make this work. Now, I have no problem with AC for collectors and such, this is a part of our toy/model train history. And I understand why the manufacturers do what they do, especially Flyonel. To my mind, DC can motors are superior operationally, technologically, and cost wise, and I convert all my rebuilds to DC can motors. S Helper and American Models both offer DC locs as well, and in both "scale" and "hi-rail." My new locos are DC powered too, of course. So, if you're going to do a lot of changing of your old Flyer, why not just convert to DC to start with and save all the other hassles of old AC technology? Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51323	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: '54 Chevy

The M2 Chevy is really nice! Diecast Direct lists them on their website. As to the '54 Chevy "Nomad", there were no real production 1954 Nomad station wagons in reality. There WAS the GM concept car where the proposed "Nomad" roof was grafted onto a '54 Corvette for display at their Motorama. This car was a one off for display only. The production version was a limited run, three year attempt at a "sport" station wagon with a special "hardtop" roof that ran 1955- '57. Sales started strong early in '55, then dropped off the charts by '57 with under ten thousand units, making the '57 Chevrolet Nomad much rarer than the '57 T-Bird with it's 42,000 units. I had two Nomads. The Nomad name resurfaced at Chevrolet years later on a cheap Chevelle wagon. Detroit didn't learn from the failed "sport" station wagon idea. Chrysler did the Magnum station wagon recently and learned the same thing. After early brisk sales, they eventually had to drop the car. A sports car and a usable wagon are two different things, neither does the other task well. And then there's the El Camino, I had one of those too, but that's another story! Stumpy Stone...car guy in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51324	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

Well, no felt under the ties then. No need to create a maintenance nightmare or worse. Being a ceiling level pike with a few 'tunnels' through walls, height from the track base is critical. So I am going to return to plan A. That is to scrap any roadbed material and glue the track down with RTV, using the screws to hold the track down only until the RTV cures, then pulling them all out altogether. The felt idea came from the strip used in piano tuning to block out the unison strings for initial tuning. I will still use the felt, but it will press underneath the board in the same way a drum muffler works. In the meantime the trains may be noiser than I would like but at least there is a place to run them. The noisiest of them, the 322 SIT will likely quiet down with a new worm gear and a can motor. Thanks for all the feedback! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51325	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

Now wait a minute...Are we talking about the same thing here? Weather stripping "felt", the kind that goes around doors and windows. Not the kind of felt you make crafts and clothing out of. Stumpy Stone...wondering in eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51326	From: Al	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: S-Helper Christmas cars for sale.

I have 2 S-Helper Christmas cars for sale. They are: (1) 1999 #00414 2-bay PS-2 Hopper car. Mint - never run. Cost $39.95/Sell for $35.00. (2) 1998 #00268 MEC Christmas Caboose with Mr. & Mrs. Claus. Mint - never run. Cost $80.00/Sell $75.00. Photos available upon request. Al Rawdon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51327	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

I used weatherstripping felt, not craft felt. Either way I'll be pulling it out of the test module tonight. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Now wait a minute...Are we talking about the same thing here? Weather > stripping "felt", the kind that goes around doors and windows. Not the > kind of felt you make crafts and clothing out of. > Stumpy Stone...wondering in eastern Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51328	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...

Hi Stumpy, All makes sense to me, I'll plan on running my RR on DC. It will eliminate the reversing machanism that is so unrealistic seeming. I've thought of using pulsed DC, controlling speed via pulse width. Does this strike anyone as a good or bad idea. My thought is the full voltage would cut through wheel and track dirt etc., give me smoother performance. I am also thinking of superimposing high frequency carriers on the track which would be modulated by audio like station announcements, whistles, etc. You mentioned before replacing old motors with DC cans, I'm not familiar with the term, but I assume you mean the little DC motors that look that way. How do you interface the worm gear end of the old AC motor commutator to the new DC motor? What voltage amperage motors are recommended? Thanks, this is one great list! Dave W. Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > Okay, we've established you can run an old Gilbert AC motor on DC > power. And, we've established that with difficulty we can run a DC > motor on AC power. > The question for me is...why would you want to? > My own experiance, and that of others, shows that DC power is the way > to go. It is only to make the modern trains compatable with the old > ones that today's manufacturers bother with AC. New trains have DC can > mototrs and the manufacturers have to add extra electronics, including > an otherwise redundant reverse unit, to make this work. > Now, I have no problem with AC for collectors and such, this is a part > of our toy/model train history. And I understand why the manufacturers > do what they do, especially Flyonel. > To my mind, DC can motors are superior operationally, technologically, > and cost wise, and I convert all my rebuilds to DC can motors. S > Helper and American Models both offer DC locs as well, and in > both "scale" and "hi-rail." My new locos are DC powered too, of course. > So, if you're going to do a lot of changing of your old Flyer, why not > just convert to DC to start with and save all the other hassles of old > AC technology? > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51329	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper Christmas cars for sale.

Al Please contact me off line regarding purchase. actngalt@... Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Al To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/08/2008 3:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Christmas cars for sale. I have 2 S-Helper Christmas cars for sale. They are: (1) 1999 #00414 2-bay PS-2 Hopper car. Mint - never run. Cost $39.95/Sell for $35.00. (2) 1998 #00268 MEC Christmas Caboose with Mr. & Mrs. Claus. Mint - never run. Cost $80.00/Sell $75.00. Photos available upon request. Al Rawdon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51330	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: (no subject)

Tim wrote: Does anyone see a potential problem using weatherstripping felt for track underlayment? I tried reducing noise by isolating the screws, enlarging the holes in the ties. This helps. I also tried foam bed which also helps some. But the best noise reducing result so far has been felt weatherstrip. It almost eliminates the motor whine/growl. It also eliminates the rumble of something heavy going over your head. The track 7 feet up there will never be ballasted so a waterproof quality is not necessary. Just wondering if there is a down side to it. Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio Several years ago ( 1982 ) I used carpet underlayment ( a 3" strip of jute carpet pad ) It reduces the sound to nearly 0 . It is running today with no problems to the equipment. Some of the layout has ballast ( gray oil dry clay ) glued with deluded white glue . No problems. This system was used in several Chicken restaurants in the Denver, that run Flyer trains, for several years with no problems. I believe a modern day carpet pad would work OK. Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51331	From: William Porter	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry I have to ask this...

Hi Dave, Pulse width may work OK for those old, universal AC motors. You would need to try it. I have used it with DC motors and it works just fine. That is the principle behind the low speed portion of the TAT IV throttles. It know it works just fine with DC motors, although, it does cause some more heating than usual. The TAT IV design (Linn Westcott's design and used in the Heath Kit throttles) replaced the pulsed DC with smooth DC in the higher voltage range to help avoid the heat. If I get some time, I'll try running an old Flyer universal motor with my own TAT IV throttle and report. Yes, the term can motor covers a range of small, DC motors with permanent magnets. Some are really cheap with copper wire brushes. These come in some toys ad are not meant to last nor be suitable for our trains. Other can motors have good brushes, better magnets, more poles, skewed poles and improved bushing/bearings. The best ones are sometimes referred to as instrument motors. These things are different from stepper motors. SnS offers can motor conversions that use a screw drive that is compatible with Flyer chassis. They drop right in and work with DC. They are excellent. Available direct (he is on our list) and they used to be available through Port Lines as well. I have some AC Flyer that has been converted to DC using a bridge rectifier and some with the SnS conversion. There is no comparison. The can motors are smoother, can run slower are pleasant to operate. If I can find the time to dig out an unconverted engine (it might have to be a Marx O-gauge, but the universal motors operate with the same principle) and assemble a loop of track to try the TAT IV, I will. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of D. Winslow Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:re: Sorry I have to ask this... Hi Stumpy, All makes sense to me, I'll plan on running my RR on DC. It will eliminate the reversing machanism that is so unrealistic seeming. I've thought of using pulsed DC, controlling speed via pulse width. Does this strike anyone as a good or bad idea. My thought is the full voltage would cut through wheel and track dirt etc., give me smoother performance. I am also thinking of superimposing high frequency carriers on the track which would be modulated by audio like station announcements, whistles, etc. You mentioned before replacing old motors with DC cans, I'm not familiar with the term, but I assume you mean the little DC motors that look that way. How do you interface the worm gear end of the old AC motor commutator to the new DC motor? What voltage amperage motors are recommended? Thanks, this is one great list! Dave W. Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > Okay, we've established you can run an old Gilbert AC motor on DC > power. And, we've established that with difficulty we can run a DC > motor on AC power. > The question for me is...why would you want to? > My own experiance, and that of others, shows that DC power is the way > to go. It is only to make the modern trains compatable with the old > ones that today's manufacturers bother with AC. New trains have DC can > mototrs and the manufacturers have to add extra electronics, including > an otherwise redundant reverse unit, to make this work. > Now, I have no problem with AC for collectors and such, this is a part > of our toy/model train history. And I understand why the manufacturers > do what they do, especially Flyonel. > To my mind, DC can motors are superior operationally, technologically, > and cost wise, and I convert all my rebuilds to DC can motors. S > Helper and American Models both offer DC locs as well, and in > both "scale" and "hi-rail." My new locos are DC powered too, of course. > So, if you're going to do a lot of changing of your old Flyer, why not > just convert to DC to start with and save all the other hassles of old > AC technology? > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51332	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Co

Bob-I tried doing it by guess work combined with the Lionel button instructions. I was using two buttons in series so I'd be able to use both horn and bell. If you hook them up to the transformer and then to the variable on the track clip, it will sort of work-button box stats getting hot. Played around with a few other possibilities, and either the Gilbert would work and the Lionel not, or vice-versa. Scrapped the idea. Anyone else have an answer?-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51333	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Running AC engines on DC

I have successfully run my Flyer engines with universal motors on DC for many years without any problems. The reverse unit will work as normal. I gradually eliminated the reverse units by installing rectifiers as per Tom Barker's book (out of print but still available as a CD Rom from Doug Peck). These days I am converting most of them using the wonderful "drop in" can motors that have become available. I find DC much more reliable. Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51334	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

Stumpy- The short answer is "no". The felt strips used in weatherstripping is more dense than the felt fabric I used to cover the plywood. I was talking about felt material from Hobby Lobby ( or any other fabric store) that is sold off the bolt, coming in 54" (I think) widths. As I recall I bought 3 yards to cover the 8' plywood. This fabric seems even thinner than what a "crafter" might use. It seemed like an inexpensive alternative, and would be fine if just using Fastrack. Trouble is, with any wear at all, it got the "fuzzies". I don't have a clue about the weather stripping, but I definitely would NOT recommend the felt fabric. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> > Now wait a minute...Are we talking about the same thing here? Weather > stripping "felt", the kind that goes around doors and windows. Not the > kind of felt you make crafts and clothing out of. > Stumpy Stone...wondering in eastern Ahia > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51335	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Blatant for sale offering - SHS flat cars

I have 10 S Helper flat cars for sale. There are 10 SHS boxes (6 TOFC, 4 flatcar) All are used, some started their lives as flats, some as TOFC cars, All have scale wheels ( NOT AF) and knuckle couplers. None have the little rams on the ends from the TOFC cars. All the base flats are in great shape but there are a few marks on some of the flat bed areas from things being on there. They are: 1) Pennsy 92763 2) Pennsy 92761 - plastic truck frames SHS wheels 3) NYC 499701 4) B AND 0 8742 FOLLOWING HAVE THE SIDE RAILS FROM THE TOFC CARS 5) ILL CENT 923641 6) NEW HAVEN 17341 7) PENNSY 92762 Following have the side rails and the tofc trailer stand 8) NYC 499612 - plastic truck frames SHS wheels 9) CNW 44151 - plastic truck frames SHS wheels 10) SOUTHERN 51861 Also there are 9 trailers to go along. 2 American models trailers with wheels 1 MTH with wheels repainted BN 3 MTH with wheels removed SF, 2 BN repaints 3 AM with wheels removed s gaugian, wescott, BN repaint Make me an offer for any or all. I am looking for $20 each flat plus a trailer plus shipping or $210 for all shipping included. (that's the cost of 3 TOFC) I will hold out for the bigger quantities first. Thanks for looking I will have pictures in a few minutes so send me an email if you want the pix. Paypal or checks (hold for clear) work. northline@... Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. 98028 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51336	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Ebay - Sellers beware

Just had a problem with one of these crazy buyers. He bought a brand new mint in box train item. I then had to send him an invoice 3 times for the item before he paid. Then he left me negative feedback with one word in it. No explaination nothing. So I asked him why and got no response. I offered to take the item back and give him a full refund and no response. At this point I can only assume he is a complete nutjob. I suggest you all add him to your band buyers list as I did. His ebay id is timothyw2184. Up to this point I had a 100% positive rating. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51337	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: '54 Chevy

So there wasn't a 54 Nomad - you can tell I'm not a Chevy guy - lol! By the way the old company is shutting down the plant in Proctor so it looks like no more trips to your area for me. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > The M2 Chevy is really nice! Diecast Direct lists them on their > website. > As to the '54 Chevy "Nomad", there were no real production 1954 Nomad > station wagons in reality. There WAS the GM concept car where the > proposed "Nomad" roof was grafted onto a '54 Corvette for display at > their Motorama. This car was a one off for display only. > The production version was a limited run, three year attempt at > a "sport" station wagon with a special "hardtop" roof that ran 1955- > '57. Sales started strong early in '55, then dropped off the charts > by '57 with under ten thousand units, making the '57 Chevrolet Nomad > much rarer than the '57 T-Bird with it's 42,000 units. I had two > Nomads. > The Nomad name resurfaced at Chevrolet years later on a cheap Chevelle > wagon. > Detroit didn't learn from the failed "sport" station wagon idea. > Chrysler did the Magnum station wagon recently and learned the same > thing. After early brisk sales, they eventually had to drop the car. > A sports car and a usable wagon are two different things, neither does > the other task well. And then there's the El Camino, I had one of > those too, but that's another story! > Stumpy Stone...car guy in eastern Ahia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51338	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: S-Helper Christmas cars for sale.

Al and Roger, If Roger is not interested in the 1998 car, please contact me off line. Thanks. Tom Detmer detmer@... Roger Dumas wrote: > > Al > > Please contact me off line regarding purchase. > > actngalt@... <mailto:actngalt%40sover.net> > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Al > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: 12/08/2008 3:55 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Christmas cars for sale. > > I have 2 S-Helper Christmas cars for sale. They are: > (1) 1999 #00414 2-bay PS-2 Hopper car. Mint - never run. Cost > $39.95/Sell for $35.00. > (2) 1998 #00268 MEC Christmas Caboose with Mr. & Mrs. Claus. Mint - > never run. Cost $80.00/Sell $75.00. > > Photos available upon request. > > Al Rawdon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51339	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: fyi: Lowell Video DVD in NASG Library

FYI: SUBJECT: Video DVD added to NASG Library, containing 2008 Lowell NASG Convention Tour Videos This new DVD will shortly be available from the NASG Library. This DVD contains the 11 videos taken at the National Ass'n S Gaugers August 2008 Convention in Lowell MA. Assuming you are a NASG member, you will be able to borrow this DVD from the NASG library by contacting the NASG Librarian Dick Karnes, whose contact email address is on the NASG Library page at http:// nasg.org/library.html . : : ======================= 1. NOTE ABOUT CONTENT: These are the same 11 videos that are posted on the Vimeo video site. The DVD just allows you to view them bigger on your TV screen. On my 42" plasma TV, they still look reasonably "crisp". Actually there are 2 DVD's, because the videos would not quite all fit on 1 DVD. The 2nd DVD contains the 3 videos of the New Haven layout, plus several "slide shows" using the same photos you see on the web page . The Web Versions: As announced previously, the web versions of the videos and the photos are at-the-moment linked from the NASG Home Page at http://nasg.org -- on the left side of the web page, about 8 inches down from the top, under the heading "2008 & 2009 National Conventions News". : : ======================= 2. COPIES SENT TO SEVERAL CLUBS: I sent copies to the several clubs -- whose members kindly allowed me to coerce them into speaking on the video. If you're a member of one of these clubs, you may be able to borrow a copy (I'm making the assumption that these guys might be willing and able to make their copy available for loan to another club member). * Bristol S Gaugers in Massachusetts, via Tommy Robichaud * Connecticut S Gaugers, via Craig O'Connell * Des Plaines Valley S Scalers, in Illinois, via Sam McCoy * South Jersey S Gaugers, via Mike McConnell * also, copy sent to Baltimore American Flyer Club, via Monte Heppe : : ======================= 3. DVD MAY BE DUPLICATED: You may duplicate these videos for non-profit use. There are 2 PDF files you can use to PRINT the covers which slide into those plastic "jewell cases", at http://track2.com/nasg/2008lowell/dvd/2008dvd.label.shtml . ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 ----------------------------------------------------------------- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51340	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Running AC engines on DC

Thanks John, I am convinced about DC, and also replacing the old AC motors with DC cans over time. Good to know I can run the AC ones until ready to upgrade. What is the max voltage I am shooting for? Do people just add a rectifiers to the old Flyer transformers? I'm also an old electronics guy so I am having a good time thinking through these design options. Thanks to all Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth wrote: > > > I have successfully run my Flyer engines with universal motors on DC for > many years without any problems. The reverse unit will work as normal. I > gradually eliminated the reverse units by installing rectifiers as per > Tom Barker's book (out of print but still available as a CD Rom from > Doug Peck). These days I am converting most of them using the wonderful > "drop in" can motors that have become available. I find DC much more > reliable. > > Regards, > John Harvey > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51341	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: AF Conversion Can motors

Although the S n' S can motors are excellent replacements for AF-like performance, in many respects the Timko flywheel can motors provide better performance because there are no jackrabbit starts or stops (i.e., more realistic gradual starts and coasting stops).  However, these motor cannot be used in the Atlantics or other small locos.  These replacement drop-in motors are available from me and, I believe, Doug Peck at Portlines as well. Joe  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....####################.Master Card/Visa honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51342	From: Gill W. Lott	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

I have found that AMI Instant Roadbed not only deadens sounds but allows you to lay and secure track without using nails. I have used it on my Girard Western Lines to hold Flyer & K-Line track as well as S-Helper. AMI is evidently out of business but the product can still be found at hobby shops. According to this website: http://www.fourthray.com/Peter/Articles/Trackwork/Roadbed.htm 3M Scotchfil Electrical Insulation Putty or 'putty tape' are acceptable substitutes. Hope this helps. r/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51343	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Dutchway Farm Market

This is the entire premise of building a layout in MY mind!! Certainly - the layout that I am building is purposely designed to run several scales purposely to be able to have others come & enjoy it! Feel free to do so at any time! Justin Dancing Hawk Dancing Hawk Ridge , Coffee Valley & Grohnan Creek RR's On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:09 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > Folks IF you haven't been to DUTCHWAY yet (375 Rt 41, GAP, PA > 17527) this is > some of what you are missing. 10 AM til 8 PM Friday and Saturday, > the 5th > and 6th, returning same time the 10th thru the 13th. > > The PVMR (Pequea Valley Model Railroaders) hosted by Dutchway Farm > Market > have been setting up a train layout in the lobby for many years, > kids have > figured out who owns and manages the store and start to ask in the > Fall when the > trains are coming back. The pic of Kyle Semple is indicative of > this. Kyle is > FOUR, first saw the trains as a babe in arms, has peered from a > shopping cart > (and tried unsuccessfully many times to crawl out, Mom is QUICK) > has stood on > tiptoes to see the trains and this year I handed him the throttle > to the > "Express". He did well, as was expected. Jared (almost six) will > join us after > school and on Saturdays as will many children whose names we don't > know. The > Amish love the trains as do most of the "older" generation who > reminise. > More than one "older" person comes back every day and just watches > from > "afar". > > IF you have trains, share them, the experience is UNFORGETTABLE. > > Jim " [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51344	From: Glenn	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Dutchway Farm Market

More pictures have been added to the website for your enjoyment. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html I am in Honey Brook, the club meets in Paradise. We are not far from Bird in Hand and Intercourse, PA in beautiful Lancaster County. Glenn of the Pequea Valley Model Railroaders ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Dancing Hawk To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:29 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dutchway Farm Market This is the entire premise of building a layout in MY mind!! Certainly - the layout that I am building is purposely designed to run several scales purposely to be able to have others come & enjoy it! Feel free to do so at any time! Justin Dancing Hawk Dancing Hawk Ridge , Coffee Valley & Grohnan Creek RR's On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:09 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > Folks IF you haven't been to DUTCHWAY yet (375 Rt 41, GAP, PA > 17527) this is > some of what you are missing. 10 AM til 8 PM Friday and Saturday, > the 5th > and 6th, returning same time the 10th thru the 13th. > > The PVMR (Pequea Valley Model Railroaders) hosted by Dutchway Farm > Market > have been setting up a train layout in the lobby for many years, > kids have > figured out who owns and manages the store and start to ask in the > Fall when the > trains are coming back. The pic of Kyle Semple is indicative of > this. Kyle is > FOUR, first saw the trains as a babe in arms, has peered from a > shopping cart > (and tried unsuccessfully many times to crawl out, Mom is QUICK) > has stood on > tiptoes to see the trains and this year I handed him the throttle > to the > "Express". He did well, as was expected. Jared (almost six) will > join us after > school and on Saturdays as will many children whose names we don't > know. The > Amish love the trains as do most of the "older" generation who > reminise. > More than one "older" person comes back every day and just watches > from > "afar". > > IF you have trains, share them, the experience is UNFORGETTABLE. > > Jim " . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 12/9/2008 9:59 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51345	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Running DC with AF AC transformer

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/648781057/pic/1075800081/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc I though I had my 3 Rectifiers sold, but every one thought they were power packs. So since this topic is hot again, these units with picture under kit bashing, turn a AF transformer into high tech DC. Fix AC 14-24 volts to 15VDC maximum Amperes 2.5 AMPS DC. So this is more then enough power for new DC motors. It has automatic plus ,and a break Switch plus Reverse loop switch. $20 each, $7 dollars shipping. Jim S

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51346	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Lionel updates Big Boy shipping date

Now listed as May, 2009 on the shipping schedule website: http://www.lionel.com/Products/ShippingSchedule/index.cfm Hopefully, the date won't slip again! Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51347	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay - Sellers beware

Thanks for the heads up on this deadbeat bidder.  I've had a few problems in the past with buyers like him, myself.  I would recommend contacting ebay and reporting his behavior.  They've made some changes to the feedback forums, unfortunately.  We are limited as sellers as to how much we can comment back about bad buyers.  Don't let one bad egg get you down though.  The feedback now is on a rolling 12 month calender, so you'll get back to 100 percent eventually.   Tony G --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Patrick McElroy <pmcelroy@...> wrote: From: Patrick McElroy <pmcelroy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay - Sellers beware To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 8:16 PM Just had a problem with one of these crazy buyers. He bought a brand new mint in box train item. I then had to send him an invoice 3 times for the item before he paid. Then he left me negative feedback with one word in it. No explaination nothing. So I asked him why and got no response. I offered to take the item back and give him a full refund and no response. At this point I can only assume he is a complete nutjob. I suggest you all add him to your band buyers list as I did. His ebay id is timothyw2184. Up to this point I had a 100% positive rating. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51348	From: hjsheff	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Fraud

Hi group I just had an incident with a potential buyer from Ebay who wanted to have merchandise shipped out of the country. As others have mentioned before, you have to watch the details. For those who do ship out of country, remember to use Express Mail as it is the way to get a signature at the other end. My buyer wanted me to use Priority Mail which doesn't require the signature. Some countries don't have the return signature availability as others. Take care Howard Sheffield

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51349	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Just like the Coke trucks, Canadian Pacific Holiday Train

computer can NOT desplay this.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51350	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Fraud

I believe you are being too strong with the use of the word "Fraud". Don't assume all foreign buyers are crook nor that they can afford expensive express post, the cost of which would send 99% of US buyers screaming into the night yelling "crook seller"! Check their feedback first. People like myself with 100% feedback on near a 1000 transactions have the right to request cheaper postage with the expectation that you could trust me or anyone similar without us having to pay on the nose postage rates. Many eBay sellers realize this and have no problems. If everybody took your advice there would be many fewer foreign sales and hence lower prices realized for goods on eBay. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hjsheff Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:28 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Fraud Hi group I just had an incident with a potential buyer from Ebay who wanted to have merchandise shipped out of the country. As others have mentioned before, you have to watch the details. For those who do ship out of country, remember to use Express Mail as it is the way to get a signature at the other end. My buyer wanted me to use Priority Mail which doesn't require the signature. Some countries don't have the return signature availability as others. Take care Howard Sheffield [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51351	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Fraud

Hi I am not a lawyer But; my understanding is that ownership passes at the fall of the gavel. So if you are at an auction and you buy somethine that is stolen before you leave the auction house, you still have to pay for it and suffer the loss. Hence once you prove you mailed the item, it is their loss if they do not receive it. That is why I use Auctiva insurance, much more streamlined than the others. And Auctiva lets me post 24 pictures of an item on ebay for FREE. Auctiva.com Tom -----Original Message----- From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 6:58 pm Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Fraud I believe you are being too strong with the use of the word "Fraud". Don't assume all foreign buyers are crook nor that they can afford expensive express post, the cost of which would send 99% of US buyers screaming into the night yelling "crook seller"! Check their feedback first. People like myself with 100% feedback on near a 1000 transactions have the right to request cheaper postage with the expectation that you could trust me or anyone similar without us having to pay on the nose postage rates. Many eBay sellers realize this and have no problems. If everybody took your advice there would be many fewer foreign sales and hence lower prices realized for goods on eBay. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hjsheff Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:28 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Fraud Hi group I just had an incident with a potential buyer from Ebay who wanted to have merchandise shipped out of the country. As others have mentioned before, you have to watch the details. For those who do ship out of country, remember to use Express Mail as it is the way to get a signature at the other end. My buyer wanted me to use Priority Mail which doesn't require the signature. Some countries don't have the return signature availability as others. Take care Howard Sheffield [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51352	From: Grant	Date: 12/9/2008
Subject: Re: Noise abatement on the Ceiling Level Route

I gutted my house a while back and learned a lot about soundproofing. I would try soundboard or acoustic soundboard It is a flaky brown material and comes in 4 x 8 sheets. Hit it with your fist and it's easy to understand how it dampens noise. not structural - glue it on. Remember screws & Nails conduct sound to other materials Above and on the side you can glue sound sheets which they use in studios - it prevents echoing and gives a cleaner sound for music. I think you would drop it 6dB easy That should point you in the right direction Grant --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Well, no felt under the ties then. No need to create a maintenance > nightmare or worse. Being a ceiling level pike with a few 'tunnels' > through walls, height from the track base is critical. So I am > going to return to plan A. > > That is to scrap any roadbed material and glue the track down with > RTV, using the screws to hold the track down only until the RTV > cures, then pulling them all out altogether. > > The felt idea came from the strip used in piano tuning to block out > the unison strings for initial tuning. I will still use the felt, > but it will press underneath the board in the same way a drum > muffler works. > > In the meantime the trains may be noiser than I would like but at > least there is a place to run them. The noisiest of them, the 322 > SIT will likely quiet down with a new worm gear and a can motor. > > Thanks for all the feedback! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51353	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel updates Big Boy shipping date

Hey Scott, At least it's still on the Lionel schedule. I (and three other guys I know) ordered the 48364 commemorative set of three cars. They were painted in the "box art" color scheme of classic Flyer boxes. They would have made a great train when between the 48065 SD-9 and 48742 caboose also painted in the same color scheme. I also planned on cutting in a few 48364 60th Anniversary boxcars. Too bad, since it would have made a very striking looking train. BTW, the SD-9 by Flyonel runs great with the new mechanism they developed. Jerry Poniatowski Disappointed in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote: > > Now listed as May, 2009 on the shipping schedule website: > > http://www.lionel.com/Products/ShippingSchedule/index.cfm > > Hopefully, the date won't slip again! > > Scott > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51354	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Fraud

Amen Alistair!!! This is especially evident in another hobby, stamp collecting, where lots can go for $5 to $1000. If I had to pay $29.95 shipping/handling for the lower price lots, then I certainly wouldn't bid! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Alistair McAllister wrote: > > I believe you are being too strong with the use of the word "Fraud". Don't > assume all foreign buyers are crook nor that they can afford expensive > express post, the cost of which would send 99% of US buyers screaming into > the night yelling "crook seller"! Check their feedback first. People like > myself with 100% feedback on near a 1000 transactions have the right to > request cheaper postage with the expectation that you could trust me or > anyone similar without us having to pay on the nose postage rates. > Many eBay > sellers realize this and have no problems. If everybody took your advice > there would be many fewer foreign sales and hence lower prices > realized for > goods on eBay. Alistair > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf > Of hjsheff > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:28 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Fraud > > Hi group > > I just had an incident with a potential buyer from Ebay who wanted to have > merchandise > shipped out of the country. As others have mentioned before, you have to > watch the details. > > For those who do ship out of country, remember to use Express Mail as > it is > the way to get a > signature at the other end. My buyer wanted me to use Priority Mail which > doesn't require > the signature. Some countries don't have the return signature availability > as others. > > Take care > Howard Sheffield > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51355	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Fraud

Nicely put Alistair... Clayton S. D. ;) Milwaukie OR USA --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: > From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Fraud > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:58 PM > I believe you are being too strong with the use of the word > "Fraud". Don't > assume all foreign buyers are crook nor that they can > afford expensive > express post, the cost of which would send 99% of US buyers > screaming into > the night yelling "crook seller"! Check their > feedback first. People like > myself with 100% feedback on near a 1000 transactions have > the right to > request cheaper postage with the expectation that you could > trust me or > anyone similar without us having to pay on the nose postage > rates. Many eBay > sellers realize this and have no problems. If everybody > took your advice > there would be many fewer foreign sales and hence lower > prices realized for > goods on eBay. Alistair > > > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of hjsheff > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:28 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Fraud > > > > Hi group > > I just had an incident with a potential buyer from Ebay who > wanted to have > merchandise > shipped out of the country. As others have mentioned > before, you have to > watch the details. > > For those who do ship out of country, remember to use > Express Mail as it is > the way to get a > signature at the other end. My buyer wanted me to use > Priority Mail which > doesn't require > the signature. Some countries don't have the return > signature availability > as others. > > Take care > Howard Sheffield > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51356	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Co

Where did you get the two button to work the bell, and horn - Whistle? Why the heck did Lionel not put them in the box with the train or make the stores have a few to sell with the trains? What's wrong with them? Will the Lionel button for the N.E.that Lionel made some years back work for the whistle or the bell? I have that one. You needed to send a card in to get that one.I think, but I'm getting old now.... Is 51 old? Clayton S. D. :) --- On Mon, 12/8/08, john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: > From: john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Control > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:30 AM > Bob-I tried doing it by guess work combined with the Lionel > button instructions. I was using two buttons in series so > I'd be able to use both horn and bell. If you hook them > up to the transformer and then to the variable on the track > clip, it will sort of work-button box stats getting hot. > Played around with a few other possibilities, and either the > Gilbert would work and the Lionel not, or vice-versa. > Scrapped the idea. Anyone else have an answer?-John > Marganski > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51357	From: Ingram-Jim-Group-Mailings	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Pls Join: New Group for Automatic Controls

: Note: This message is being posted with the permission of the S- Trains Yahoo group owner, Paul Yorke. ============ 1. NEW YAHOO GROUP FOR AUTOMATIC CONTROLS : We are trying to start a new Yahoo discussion Group named "AutoControls". ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AutoControls/ ) for people interested in AUTOMATIC CONTROLS -- mainly SIMPLIFIED automatic control of multiple trains on the same track. CREATING A REFERENCE LIBRARY: * We've created this Group with the hope that people belonging to different Yahoo groups for different scales, can be persuaded to CROSS-POST (send a copy) to this list when they send a message containing information about automatic controls. This automatic controls information already exists to some degree in several Yahoo groups, but you have to dig through hundreds of messages in several groups to find it. The hope of this Group, is to accumulate a copy (via cross posting) of as much of this information as we can, in one place, which will be the AutoControls Message Archives, which can thus function as sort of a "Library". SCALES: We're hoping we can attract members from multiple scales . . . S, LargeScale, and maybe a few HO and N scalers and any interested persons of the other gauges. (The 3-rail O scale people tend to have radically different control systems that depend on the 3rd rail for signaling purposes, so we don't expect much interest on their part.) The CHALLENGE will be finding enough interested people to keep this group going, as this Automatic Train Controls activity seems to be a niche-specialty, of interest to only a very small minority. : : ============ 2. TO SUBSCRIBE: This AutoControls group is a typical Yahoo group, so you can 'subscribe' and 'unsubscribe' yourself using the usual methods: * Subscribe: Send a blank email (no subject, no body) to: autocontrols-subscribe@yahoogroups.com * Unsubscribe: Send a blank email (no subject, no body) to: autocontrols-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Note the group is currently "turned off" (no posting) while recruiting members. I hope to start the messages (enable posting) in early 2009. ------ 2B. SEPARATE MAILBOX RECOMMENDED As with all Yahoo groups, I recommend subscribers create a separate mailbox, and then create a "RULE" to automatically route Group messages into that mailbox, so the incoming messages don't clutter your inbox. ((In Outlook Express for Win XP, use 'File' > New > Folder to create a mailbox named 'AutoControls'. Next, to create the 'Rule', use 'Tools' > Message Rules > Mail. Then select 'Mail' tab, click the 'New' tab on right. Configure the rule to look for '[autocontrols]' in the subject line.)) : : -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4 -------------------------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ## ADDITIONAL REFERENCE INFORMATION FOLLOWS BELOW ## ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : ============== 3. GROUP OBJECTIVE: This group is specifically dedicated to "Simplified Automatic Train Controls on 2-Rail Systems -- that is, automatic control of model trains that the "Average Joe" like myself can set up in a short time, even on a TEMPORARY display layout, without being an electrical engineer or a computer genius. ------ 3A. CONTROLS INCLUDED: This group would tentatively include the following types of controls: * Automatic control using LGB's EPL components (LargeScale). * Automatic control using other combinations of reed switches and relays * Automatic control using the RR-Concepts.com, Dallee.com, TrainElectronics.com, or similar "hook them up and use them" electronic controls. Topics would include the use of the above components to create the following types of 'automation scenes': * Automatic passing sidings, * Automatic blocks for multiple train operation on the same loop, * "Automatic switching blocks" combining the automatic block & passing siding, * Automated station stops, * Automated route selection (trains alternate 2 different routes) * Automatic point-to-point reversing systems, and similar topics. Some of these 'automation scenes' I have attempted to demonstrate on the AutoControls.org video page ( http://track2.com/ingram/pic+vid/index.pic+vid.shtml ), so far using S gauge and LargeScale. The "turd in the punchbowl" here, especially in the smaller scales, is the challenge of finding RELIABLE-ENOUGH turnouts and engines to reliably accomplish this multi-train operation -- without having derailments, uncouplings, stalling on upgrades, or excessive speed on downgrades, etc. ------ 3B. TOPICS EXCLUDED: The group would exclude the following topics: * Digital Command Control (DCC) issues. REASON: There are already many groups dedicated to DCC. {{Except where applicable to using DCC engines for automatic controls operation. Decoder-equipped engines that are "dual mode" can be operated (I believe) on all these automatic control systems when using DC current, and can be operated on most (but not-all) systems when using DCC current.}} * Computer Control. REASON: This tends to be included with the DCC stuff, and the complexity is way beyond most of our capabilities. * Automatic Control on 3-rail systems. REASON: The 3-rail control systems tend to be totally different, since they usually incorporate the 3rd rail for detection. ------ 3C. POSTING RESTRICTIONS: * Members who repeatedly post off-topic or impolite messages may have their posting privileges revoked. * Members are requested to try to keep "chat-type" messages to a minimum. The goal would be have a Group, that for someone browsing the message archives, every message they browse would contain useful information. : : ============== 4. PROPOSED GROUP SETTINGS I been moderating several Yahoo groups since 2001. Based on my observations, I propose that the following policies are the most useful way to configure the group. * Membership: Membership by approval only. REASON: To keep spammers out. * New members: New members posts are moderated. REASON: To make sure posts are "on topic" and not spam. * Archives: Archives will be "open" (viewable by anyone who wishes to browse them). REASON: We want as many people as possible to use this information, so we want to make it as easy as possible to view it. ((Currently, the S-Trains archive is "open" to anyone. The GscaleGroup archives are "closed", so you have to login in with a Yahoo ID to view the messages.)) ------ 4A. ATTACHMENTS: I'm sort of "sitting on the fence" with regard to this setting. Attachments tentatively will be allowed (the "allow html" setting. This means you can use formatted text and attach photos. Members using DIAL-UP are encouraged to get a Yahoo or AOL address where the downloading the attachments is optional, so you don't "choke your modem" with large attachments.. REASON: I think the group will be more useful if people can attach diagrams and photos. ((Unfortunately since about 2001, the Yahoo groups do not store the attachments in the archives. Thus only the text will be stored in the Yahoo archives.)) . . . . . or maybe not ... HOWEVER . . . if a majority of people prefer the "no html" setting, which means no formatting and no attachments, then we can configure the group that way. Since the S-Trains and GscaleGroup groups are set to "no html", setting this AutoControls group to "no html" would make it more 'format compatible', when people intend to send the same message to both groups. ------ 4B. OTHER ATTEMPTS TO RECORD INFORMATION: Also, from time to time, I attempt to "capture" some of this controls information that I see "flying by" in the emails, b putting it on the AutoControls.org website ( http://AutoControls.org ), and also the AutoControls blog page ( http://AutoControls.blogspot.com )), and also on the AutoControls LINKS page ( http://track2.com/ingram/home/links.iac.shtml ) : : ============== 5. VIDEO OVERVIEW OF YAHOO GROUPS From being in this S-Trains Yahoo group, you probably already know how Yahoo groups work. But if you want to hear more about Groups, and can tolerate listening to me for a few minutes, I put an amateur video about Yahoo groups here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUTsLPFx8cw If you have any further questions, suggestions, or complaints -- please feel free to email or phone me. ((I actually tend to be able to respond faster to a phone calls than email -- within continental USA (2 pm to midnight EST), as I already have a backlog of waiting-to-be-answered emails piled up in my "TO REPLY TO" email box.)) ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51358	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Fraud

Sorry it doesn't work that way. It's not a public auction - and even at public auctions the auction house is still responsible unless they have ensured that all buyers have read a printed condition of sale. With eBay the seller is also the shipping agent (theoretically a separate function) ensuring that the item is shipped and received safely by the buyer. Proof of posting a parcel is not proof that it contains the item that you have certified it contains. Similarly signature of the receiver, unless they open the parcel at the time delivered, with a witness, does not certify that they have received the item, only a parcel purporting to contain the item. Bottom line is that unless the seller can prove fraud on the part of the buyer neither PayPal nor insurance will protect the seller. In fact even with PayPal seller protection if the item is lost the seller is likely to have to foot the bill. This of course applies with domestic and international shipping. The good news is that with the exception of posting stuff to places like Korea or Italy, (notorious for postal theft), or certain Asian destinations you are not likely to have problems. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tomminil@... Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Fraud Hi I am not a lawyer But; my understanding is that ownership passes at the fall of the gavel. So if you are at an auction and you buy somethine that is stolen before you leave the auction house, you still have to pay for it and suffer the loss. Hence once you prove you mailed the item, it is their loss if they do not receive it. That is why I use Auctiva insurance, much more streamlined than the others. And Auctiva lets me post 24 pictures of an item on ebay for FREE. Auctiva.com Tom -----Original Message----- From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@kern. <mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au> com.au> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Sent: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 6:58 pm Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Fraud I believe you are being too strong with the use of the word "Fraud". Don't assume all foreign buyers are crook nor that they can afford expensive express post, the cost of which would send 99% of US buyers screaming into the night yelling "crook seller"! Check their feedback first. People like myself with 100% feedback on near a 1000 transactions have the right to request cheaper postage with the expectation that you could trust me or anyone similar without us having to pay on the nose postage rates. Many eBay sellers realize this and have no problems. If everybody took your advice there would be many fewer foreign sales and hence lower prices realized for goods on eBay. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of hjsheff Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:28 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Fraud Hi group I just had an incident with a potential buyer from Ebay who wanted to have merchandise shipped out of the country. As others have mentioned before, you have to watch the details. For those who do ship out of country, remember to use Express Mail as it is the way to get a signature at the other end. My buyer wanted me to use Priority Mail which doesn't require the signature. Some countries don't have the return signature availability as others. Take care Howard Sheffield [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51359	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Co

I got my button in the box with the MOPAC B-Unit that I bought on ebay.  I don't know whether Lionel included it when it was originally sold, or whether an ealier owner got it separately.  Another guy in our club brought in the other button; I don't know where he got his. --- On Wed, 12/10/08, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Control To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:29 AM Where did you get the two button to work the bell, and horn - Whistle? Why the heck did Lionel not put them in the box with the train or make the stores have a few to sell with the trains? What's wrong with them? Will the Lionel button for the N.E.that Lionel made some years back work for the whistle or the bell? I have that one. You needed to send a card in to get that one.I think, but I'm getting old now.... Is 51 old? Clayton S. D. :) --- On Mon, 12/8/08, john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@yahoo. com> wrote: > From: john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Control > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:30 AM > Bob-I tried doing it by guess work combined with the Lionel > button instructions. I was using two buttons in series so > I'd be able to use both horn and bell. If you hook them > up to the transformer and then to the variable on the track > clip, it will sort of work-button box stats getting hot. > Played around with a few other possibilities, and either the > Gilbert would work and the Lionel not, or vice-versa. > Scrapped the idea. Anyone else have an answer?-John > Marganski > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51360	From: Jim King	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: C&O wood racks in S scale

Al Kresse sent me a Tom Dixon photo of a C&O wood rack shot in WV in January, 1976. Reportedly, it represents a group of 30 wood racks bought from the Southern in late 62, shopped at Raceland, and put in service in early 63. This is the same car that I'm producing in S scale (and HO for Wright Trak). If anyone is interested in the C&O version, please contact me off-list. I will produce decals for this car is there is sufficient interest. The price is the same as the Southern cars and you can view proto pix of the SR cars in 2 lettering styles on my web site. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51361	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel updates Big Boy shipping date -- Digest Number 4283

In a message dated 12/10/2008 10:09:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: >> Now listed as May, 2009 on the shipping schedule website:<< I was informed during York week in October that May 2009 is the target delivery date for the new AF BB, consequently the new posted timing has some creditability. We'll see. >> I (and three other guys I know) ordered the 48364 commemorative set of three cars. They were painted in the "box art" color scheme of classic Flyer boxes. They would have made a great train when between the 48065 SD-9 and 48742 caboose also painted in the same color scheme. << In the current economic climate, a piece risks being canceled if the preorders are too low. It's tough out there. For 2008, Lionel has delivered most of what was catalogued. All of the newest rolling stock, passenger cars, and the Freedom Train set from the previous catalog showed up pretty much on time. I agree, Jerry, that the new 6 wheel drive truck for the pseudo SD-9's and the PAs is as smooth as glass. Love my UP SD-9! Bob Bubeck **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51362	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/10/2008
Subject: Re: Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Co

I have 4 buttons-from engines, B units and an L Mohawk. It was a separate sale item only briefly. I want to know if there is anyone who repairs the pre-war activation buttons-they are a neat looking controller, and I have 3 that don't work anymore. The instructions show how to pair them up for separate whistle/bell functions with a Flyer transformer. If you hear the bell ring when you push the button, reverse the B unit and it'll have horn.Or, reverse the fixed and variable output wires. It's a very frustrating thing. BTW a K-line "universal" whistle/horn/bell controller doesn't work reliably-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51363	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Fw: my rare- american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher on ebay picture

Does anybody know anything about this rare Sears set?  It's not in Bob Tufts' book.  And what about his claim that Gilbert added an e-unit to the 342 DC engine to make an AC engine?  I didn't think that's electrically correct, is it?     if you would like some pictures of my rare version of the american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher its on ebay for sale item #260328154763 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51364	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: Using Flyonel sound button with Gilbert 708 Air Chime Whistle Co

I bought two of the Lionel sound-activating buttons at Mizzell's Trains in Westminster, Colo. I got them to activate the sounds on my Flyonel Northern. They have a website and are good guys. (mizzelltrains.com) HOWEVER, the buttons never performed satisfactorily regardless of which Gilbert transformer I tried. I eventually just gave up on them. I went to a Lionel CW-80 transformer to run just the track loop the Northern uses. All the Northern sounds are fully functional with it, but the CW-80 is electronic and doesn't have the same "feel" of the old Flyer transformers. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51365	From: bimorph	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.

I have a 625 orange shell tank car with black ends and black top. I would like to know if it is original. The reason why I'm not sure is that it isn't warped and it has a metal base with the longer steps than normal. It has link couplers without the weights. The writing on the side is: S.E.P.X. 8681, CAPACITY 80000 LBS. LT. WT. 40400 7-27 It is in mint condition which might send up a warning flag but I bought this around 1972 and I wouldn't think that anybody was making copies then. When the person that I bought it from found out what he sold me, he became "upset" so he thought it was real. Someone told me that AF made some late ones with metal frames. Any ideas? thanks, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51366	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: my rare- american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher on ebay pic

Maybe it is,   what is a  "e-unit" ?   He could have used an inverter which takes DC  and give out AC.   Radio Snack has ( had ) one which you put in your car acessory socket and could run your vacuum cleaner with. --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: my rare- american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher on ebay pictures To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 9:59 PM Does anybody know anything about this rare Sears set?  It's not in Bob Tufts' book.  And what about his claim that Gilbert added an e-unit to the 342 DC engine to make an AC engine?  I didn't think that's electrically correct, is it?     if you would like some pictures of my rare version of the american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher its on ebay for sale item #260328154763 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51367	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.

link couplers without weights just meas 1946 maybe 47 early --- On Thu, 12/11/08, bimorph <bimorph@...> wrote: From: bimorph <bimorph@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 625 Orange Shell tank car. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 10:34 AM I have a 625 orange shell tank car with black ends and black top. I would like to know if it is original. The reason why I'm not sure is that it isn't warped and it has a metal base with the longer steps than normal. It has link couplers without the weights. The writing on the side is: S.E.P.X. 8681, CAPACITY 80000 LBS. LT. WT. 40400 7-27 It is in mint condition which might send up a warning flag but I bought this around 1972 and I wouldn't think that anybody was making copies then. When the person that I bought it from found out what he sold me, he became "upset" so he thought it was real. Someone told me that AF made some late ones with metal frames. Any ideas? thanks, Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51368	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: RE; rare 342 set

This is kind of off the wall, but at one time parts of the US and Canada had a different power system than we have now. I believe the current pulsed at a different cycle. Often trains were run off car batteries (DC)in those regions. Could this have been a set made for Sears to sell in those areas? However, wouldn't a regular 342DC be correct for that application? By the way, I didn't type out the whole title line because it was too long for me to remember bu the time I got here to write my post. Stumpy Stone...outside the box and off the wall in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51369	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: What's an "e-unit?"

Slang term for reverse unit. I first heard it used by a repair man at a Lionel Service Station many years ago. Stumpy...the wife's away and I get to use the computer!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51370	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.

Also the 1946 couplers without weights have a narrowing of the shank where it is pinned into the truck. The 1947 shanks are the same width as the hook of the coupler.   Bill Drake --- On Thu, 12/11/08, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 625 Orange Shell tank car. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 12:59 PM link couplers without weights just meas 1946 maybe 47 early --- On Thu, 12/11/08, bimorph <bimorph@yahoo. com> wrote: From: bimorph <bimorph@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 625 Orange Shell tank car. To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 10:34 AM I have a 625 orange shell tank car with black ends and black top. I would like to know if it is original. The reason why I'm not sure is that it isn't warped and it has a metal base with the longer steps than normal. It has link couplers without the weights. The writing on the side is: S.E.P.X. 8681, CAPACITY 80000 LBS. LT. WT. 40400 7-27 It is in mint condition which might send up a warning flag but I bought this around 1972 and I wouldn't think that anybody was making copies then. When the person that I bought it from found out what he sold me, he became "upset" so he thought it was real. Someone told me that AF made some late ones with metal frames. Any ideas? thanks, Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51371	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: my rare- american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher on ebay pic

Would have had to add the e-unit and change out the motor to the universal type. May also have happened due to material shortages for the special metals to make DC motor magnets. e-unit is pre war term referring to "electrical" unit for reversing the direction of the locomotive. Other reversing mechanism preway was mechanical and involved some kind of device alongside the track that mechanically encountered a reversing switch sticking out of the side of the locomotive - although I have never heard of them being called an "m-unit". The third approach was a manual switch to be triggered by the operator - possibly an "s-unit"   boy this should start a thread for trivial information   Bill Drake --- On Thu, 12/11/08, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: my rare- american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher on ebay pictures To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 12:24 PM Maybe it is,   what is a  "e-unit" ?   He could have used an inverter which takes DC  and give out AC.   Radio Snack has ( had ) one which you put in your car acessory socket and could run your vacuum cleaner with. --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@ yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: my rare- american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher on ebay pictures To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@YahooGroup s.com> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 9:59 PM Does anybody know anything about this rare Sears set?  It's not in Bob Tufts' book.  And what about his claim that Gilbert added an e-unit to the 342 DC engine to make an AC engine?  I didn't think that's electrically correct, is it?     if you would like some pictures of my rare version of the american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher its on ebay for sale item #260328154763 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51372	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.

When I lived in Southern California during that time period and was already into collecting, there was a local collector that would take your tank car and paint and letter it into an orange Shell tank car. Before that time I remember no painted version orange Shell tank cars seen or mentioned. My guess is that if you have a painted orange Shell tank no matter which frame, warped or not, it is probably not original.   Bill Drake --- On Thu, 12/11/08, bimorph <bimorph@...> wrote: From: bimorph <bimorph@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 625 Orange Shell tank car. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 11:34 AM I have a 625 orange shell tank car with black ends and black top. I would like to know if it is original. The reason why I'm not sure is that it isn't warped and it has a metal base with the longer steps than normal. It has link couplers without the weights. The writing on the side is: S.E.P.X. 8681, CAPACITY 80000 LBS. LT. WT. 40400 7-27 It is in mint condition which might send up a warning flag but I bought this around 1972 and I wouldn't think that anybody was making copies then. When the person that I bought it from found out what he sold me, he became "upset" so he thought it was real. Someone told me that AF made some late ones with metal frames. Any ideas? thanks, Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51373	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.

If I remember correctly from my AF collector days, you could spot a repro by the scratches on the right hand side of the tank where the Gulf decal was located. Most if not all of the cheap tank cars purchased for repainting were the Gulf cars and those decals did not want to come off easily. But, I to think the repros were made later in the 70's. Good Luck, Don > I have a 625 orange shell tank car with black ends and black top. I > would like to know if it is original. > > Messages in this topic (2)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > Calendar > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 4 > New Members > 1 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > Share Photos > Put your favorite > photos and > more online. > Group Charity > Loans that > change lives > Kiva.org > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51374	From: bimorph	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.

Things aren't looking good. The shank on the coupler is thick but there aren't any scratches on the body. What about the rumor that they made some with the metal frame? If they did would that have the later coupler? Bill, this was bought in NYC but I guess it doesn't matter. Thanks for the responses so far. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51375	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.

Hobby Surplus in New Haven I think had orange Shell but with pikemaster couplers --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 625 Orange Shell tank car. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 5:29 PM If I remember correctly from my AF collector days, you could spot a repro by the scratches on the right hand side of the tank where the Gulf decal was located. Most if not all of the cheap tank cars purchased for repainting were the Gulf cars and those decals did not want to come off easily. But, I to think the repros were made later in the 70's. Good Luck, Don > I have a 625 orange shell tank car with black ends and black top. I > would like to know if it is original. > > Messages in this topic (2)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > Calendar > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale. org/albums > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 4 > New Members > 1 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > Share Photos > Put your favorite > photos and > more online. > Group Charity > Loans that > change lives > Kiva.org > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51376	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.

did they make an O gauge orange shell,  and just change the wheels.   then you have a S scale orange Shell --- On Thu, 12/11/08, bimorph <bimorph@...> wrote: From: bimorph <bimorph@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:45 PM Things aren't looking good. The shank on the coupler is thick but there aren't any scratches on the body. What about the rumor that they made some with the metal frame? If they did would that have the later coupler? Bill, this was bought in NYC but I guess it doesn't matter. Thanks for the responses so far. Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51377	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.

Was probably late Pikemaster yellow Shell   Bill Drake --- On Thu, 12/11/08, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 625 Orange Shell tank car. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 8:42 PM Hobby Surplus in New Haven I think had orange Shell but with pikemaster couplers --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Don Thompson <don@showcaseline. com> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@showcaseline. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 625 Orange Shell tank car. To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 5:29 PM If I remember correctly from my AF collector days, you could spot a repro by the scratches on the right hand side of the tank where the Gulf decal was located. Most if not all of the cheap tank cars purchased for repainting were the Gulf cars and those decals did not want to come off easily. But, I to think the repros were made later in the 70's. Good Luck, Don > I have a 625 orange shell tank car with black ends and black top. I > would like to know if it is original. > > Messages in this topic (2)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > Calendar > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale. org/albums > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 4 > New Members > 1 > New Photos > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > Share Photos > Put your favorite > photos and > more online. > Group Charity > Loans that > change lives > Kiva.org > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51378	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.

O gauge orange shell is made out of sheet metal   Bill Drake --- On Thu, 12/11/08, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 8:39 PM did they make an O gauge orange shell,  and just change the wheels.   then you have a S scale orange Shell --- On Thu, 12/11/08, bimorph <bimorph@yahoo. com> wrote: From: bimorph <bimorph@yahoo. com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car. To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:45 PM Things aren't looking good. The shank on the coupler is thick but there aren't any scratches on the body. What about the rumor that they made some with the metal frame? If they did would that have the later coupler? Bill, this was bought in NYC but I guess it doesn't matter. Thanks for the responses so far. Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51379	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.

Thick shank would be 1947 couplers. If my memory is any good, the repro guy advertised in the TTOS bulletin and would mail order to anyone who sent in a tank car and the money. If it was a silver Shell tank car to start with the lettering should be just about on top of the old lettering and there wouldn't have been a decal to scrape off.   Bill Drake --- On Thu, 12/11/08, bimorph <bimorph@...> wrote: From: bimorph <bimorph@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 7:45 PM Things aren't looking good. The shank on the coupler is thick but there aren't any scratches on the body. What about the rumor that they made some with the metal frame? If they did would that have the later coupler? Bill, this was bought in NYC but I guess it doesn't matter. Thanks for the responses so far. Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51380	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: my rare- american flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher on ebay pic

Robert, When I first read this post about "my" rare set, I assumed that you were the one selling it on Ebay, but your mention of "his" claim makes me think you are just curious about the sellers claims. To me it looks like an ordinary 1947 (or possibly 1948) SIT 342. It looks like it has the hex-head rivets from 47-48, though some 46 engines had hex head rivets also. There are no brass buttons, but again some 1946 engines also didn't have them. The E-unit appears to be right where it should be, in the boiler in SIT engines. Since it was converted to knuckle couplers, it is hard to identify the year. 1946 would be thin shank links, 1947 would be thick shank links, both with no weight. 1948 would be with a brass weight. The only bit of conversion might have been the cylinder for the bellows in the SIT unit, though that might be original in a late 47 or 48 loco. I happen to have what I believe to be a 1948 342 (not 342DC) locomotive with a DC motor and SIB smoke. It has the 1948 link coupler with brass weight and one feature not shown on the locomotive in the Ebay sale and that is a keeper across the poles of the motor to preserve magnetism and keep metallic debris off the poles and out of the commutator windings. As mentioned by others, it takes more than an E unit to make a locomotive run on AC. Today, a solid state rectifier added to the locomotive would do it, but in 1948 that wouldn't have been possible and it would have taken a motor change too. I went to the seller's website and there the locomotive has a link coupler, which appears to be a 1947 (or less likely 1946) coupler, definitely with no weight. Even though only the backside of the coupler shows, there would be a small brass circle where the weight punches through. Is this a different locomotive? He certainly shows the Sears Box. Maybe this picture is of another set and he simply used it to determine that he must have the same locomotive and set? A 1947 locomotive in an uncataloged 1948 set would be what I would expect. As to the sets, I couldn't find any uncataloged set like this in Deger's volume 3 of Greenbergs guide or in the Tufts book. The composition of the set as shown on the sellers website is a dead ringer for cataloged set 4618. Deger notes that the 47-49 sets came with the DC locomotive and had the clip on track section shown in his photos instead of the 710 integral 4 rail track section used in 1946. I would place this set as 47 or 48 because in 1949, the Auto replaced the military car. Maybe what is unusual is that an AC version was used in this set, instead of the DC version. Bottom line, it looks like this seller may be trying to make this locomotive look rarer than it probably is, though it does appear to be in pretty nice condition. He got a pretty good price for it although locomotives like this are hard to find, especially in such nice condition. He seemed to indicate he was selling the action car separately, but I couldn't find it in either current or old auctions. As a set, this might be rare, but individually, it is probably just an ordinary AC late SIT engine. Dale Smith Robert Graves wrote: > > Does anybody know anything about this rare Sears set? It's not in Bob > Tufts' book. And what about his claim that Gilbert added an e-unit to > the 342 DC engine to make an AC engine? I didn't think that's > electrically correct, is it? > > > > if you would like some pictures of my rare version of the american > flyer lines 342 0-8-0 switcher its on ebay for sale item #260328154763 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51381	From: bimorph	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car.

Well, I just dumped the last remains of my collection on Ebay and I was planning on keeping this piece. Look for it for sale on April 1st. thanks, Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > Thick shank would be 1947 couplers. If my memory is any good, the repro guy advertised in the TTOS bulletin and would mail order to anyone who sent in a tank car and the money. If it was a silver Shell tank car to start with the lettering should be just about on top of the old lettering and there wouldn't have been a decal to scrape off. >   > Bill Drake > > --- On Thu, 12/11/08, bimorph <bimorph@...> wrote: > > From: bimorph <bimorph@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 7:45 PM > > > > > > > Things aren't looking good. The shank on the coupler is thick but > there aren't any scratches on the body. What about the rumor that they > made some with the metal frame? If they did would that have the later > coupler? Bill, this was bought in NYC but I guess it doesn't matter. > Thanks for the responses so far. > Al > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51382	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Blatant ADVERTISING for TIE-MASTER

Hello All.... Here is a blatant sales pitch for my new product The TIE-MASTER All puns are intended... All respect due to Suzanne Somers... Presenting... The TIE-MASTER Check photos at: http://clients.twildstudio.com/manderman/images/tie-master-sm.jpg This is a simple to use tool for making old bent American Flyer track ties look like new. Price to anyone on this group only $8.00 which includes shipping. Check, cash, or MO. Contact me at manderman@... for address to send payment. Thanks Mark Anderman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51383	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: The illusion

It's that time of the year when folks get out their old stuff and put up a loop of track around the Christmas Tree, sometimes with ceramic buildings, often on a white bed sheet to represent a snowy landscape. They populate their wintery world with out scale, but cute figures and vehicles. The whole scene is lighted with the bizarre glow of colored lights. Oh, I suppose that this is a scene that the "serious" model railroader might cringe at, or the "serious" collector might shudder at the thought of trains actually being run. But the folks that do this once a year see something that others don't. All the odd combinations of items and the missing details melt away for that time they can just sit back and watch the train go around and around. Their imagination and their memories carry them to a place of enjoyment that is theirs alone. A place of warmth and peace that no longer exists in the "real" world. It's an illusion. But I think that those of us who "play with trains" all year around are trying to capture that same illusion in a different way. It doesn't matter if we're operating a scale railroad, or running vintage toy trains. We're escaping into our own world for those brief periods that we're engaged in our hobby. We're slipping into an illusion...and why not? Stumpy Stone...illusionist for more than fifty years...in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51384	From: John	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion

I'll have to agree with you Terry!! We put up our artificial tree just after Thanksgiving and my son, who has moved back in with us, put his HO train loop around the tree. He had trouble getting it to run since he had it packed away for years. Right away I jumped into action to find out what was wrong. It turned out it needed a little wheel and track cleaning. After I got it up and running, we let it run around the tree for about an hour. Heck my wife was even out there playing with it and that was a miracle. She liked seeing the train go around the track with it's headlights on with only the tree lights on. I set there with her and just watched it run. Brings back childhood memories!! John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51385	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion

Hey Stumpy, Very insightful of you! There's still enough of the kid in even the most hardy of scaler to watch a train go by his or her eye when viewed from near track level. I recently brought up my club's 14' x 35' display layout to an NMRA event, and spoke of that very thing to a surprising number of hard core model railroaders. I'll have to watch out, or we may be getting too philosophical. However, I have always maintained that if it isn't fun, I'm out of here. Jerry Poniatowski Still Playing in MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > It's that time of the year when folks get out their old stuff and put > up a loop of track around the Christmas Tree, sometimes with ceramic > buildings, often on a white bed sheet to represent a snowy > landscape. They populate their wintery world with out scale, but > cute figures and vehicles. The whole scene is lighted with the > bizarre glow of colored lights. > Oh, I suppose that this is a scene that the "serious" model > railroader might cringe at, or the "serious" collector might shudder > at the thought of trains actually being run. > But the folks that do this once a year see something that others > don't. All the odd combinations of items and the missing details > melt away for that time they can just sit back and watch the train go > around and around. Their imagination and their memories carry them > to a place of enjoyment that is theirs alone. A place of warmth and > peace that no longer exists in the "real" world. > It's an illusion. But I think that those of us who "play with > trains" all year around are trying to capture that same illusion in a > different way. It doesn't matter if we're operating a scale railroad, > or running vintage toy trains. We're escaping into our own world > for those brief periods that we're engaged in our hobby. We're > slipping into an illusion...and why not? > Stumpy Stone...illusionist for more than fifty years...in eastern > Ahia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51386	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: What's an "e-unit?"

E designated a Lionel engine with a reverse unit. I have a 259E and the E is carried on the engine number. My uncle had a 259 without the E and it didn't reverse. A similar designation was not used by Flyer because they all reversed (Except my blue docksider) But e unit rolls off the tongue easier than reverse unit so many of us call a Flyer reverse unit an E unit. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51387	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Great Christmas train story

The DC news radio sation has a good story on line about Christmas trains. I would cut and paste here but it is a copyright story, so here is the web address so you can read it yourself. http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=773&sid=1546530 Also, I heard on the news yesterday that this would be the last year for the giant train layout at the Citicorp Center in New York City. Another victim of the credit/bank crisis. For those who live in or near New York, or plan to visit there, Be sure to see this great layout. Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51388	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion

Amen Stumpy!!! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> > It's that time of the year when folks get out their old stuff and put > up a loop of track around the Christmas Tree, sometimes with ceramic > buildings, often on a white bed sheet to represent a snowy > landscape. They populate their wintery world with out scale, but > cute figures and vehicles. The whole scene is lighted with the > bizarre glow of colored lights. > Oh, I suppose that this is a scene that the "serious" model > railroader might cringe at, or the "serious" collector might shudder > at the thought of trains actually being run. > But the folks that do this once a year see something that others > don't. All the odd combinations of items and the missing details > melt away for that time they can just sit back and watch the train go > around and around. Their imagination and their memories carry them > to a place of enjoyment that is theirs alone. A place of warmth and > peace that no longer exists in the "real" world. > It's an illusion. But I think that those of us who "play with > trains" all year around are trying to capture that same illusion in a > different way. It doesn't matter if we're operating a scale railroad, > or running vintage toy trains. We're escaping into our own world > for those brief periods that we're engaged in our hobby. We're > slipping into an illusion...and why not? > Stumpy Stone...illusionist for more than fifty years...in eastern > Ahia. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51389	From: AZTECFAN	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Christmas talking house $20 at Big Lots, great detail

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/648781057/pic/411519956/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc I have also posted pictures of Lighting items now at 50% off at K Mart. Kit Basher Always review new pictures on the top right of group pictures. Merry Christmas from Jim S

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51390	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: What's an "e-unit?"

Sorry, not quite correct with respect to Flyer. When first used on O gauge and Wide Gauge not all were fitted with it and some Flyer was designated with the suffix "R/C" for remote control to indicate the difference from those not fitted. In any case even in S to which you were referring there were Baldwin diesels, hand cars and an Atlantic with no reverse or manual reverse. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles E. Smith Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:55 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re:What's an "e-unit?" E designated a Lionel engine with a reverse unit. I have a 259E and the E is carried on the engine number. My uncle had a 259 without the E and it didn't reverse. A similar designation was not used by Flyer because they all reversed (Except my blue docksider) But e unit rolls off the tongue easier than reverse unit so many of us call a Flyer reverse unit an E unit. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb <http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/> .org/chucksmith/ cesmith@netacc. <mailto:cesmith%40netacc.net> net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51391	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: More Blatant SHS commercialism

This week at SHS�.. On Monday our latest shipment was picked up at the container freight station. We received the 2008 Christmas Car (less than a case are left). Our container was delayed a few days due to Homeland Security X-raying the entire box. We also received restocking of the 15� track, R&L remote control switches as well as a of asst. trucks, and other parts. http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRACovered/usraCoveredHoppers_in_stock.html On Wednesday our FedEx shipment with the 2009 catalog (being mailed out now to anyone who has placed an order since Sept of 07), Union Carbide 3 bay PS2s (Robin said to bring some in as these were ordered as Christmas presents) and some of the new NW2s (AT&SF, PRR (both schemes) and CB&Q (both schemes) and a few cases of 00297 5� straight track as this has been out of stock for some time. Next Monday the long awaited re-shipment of the Tsunami diesel sound decoders are scheduled to arrive for our back orders as well as the new NW2s and next month the Really New SW8s. Links for some of these items can be found at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Catalogs/catalogs.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Locos/NW2/nw2.html A sea shipment is due to leave next week. This shipment will include more of the above (covered hoppers and NW2s) and the SW8s which were completed early and will be available for shipping in January. We had not advertised these, but they will be available. Links for some of these items can be found at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Locos/SW8/sw8_in_stock.html More words about SHS Starter Sets � We visited our friends down the street at MRC (Model Rectifier Corp.) again as we had to re-order the transfomers due to increased sales of our starter sets. They have a transformer that can be used with our S Scale Starter Sets. These are ideal Christmas gifts. They are now available and can be found at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Sets/startersets.html Best regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51392	From: G C	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion

As a young boy, my uncle, a street car motorman, had what we called a "Christmas garden" set up from thanksgiving through the new year. His house was in north western Baltimore County and I can still fondly remember walking up the steps to his big front porch. The house had a large living room, so appropriately a 4 x 8 platform sat on the floor against a wall. All covered in artificial snow, it was for all the world as real as can be to this kid's eye. A smoking steam locomotive pulled a short freight train around a loop, which for me could easily have stretched for miles and miles. Only the imagination limited the length and ultimate destination of that little train as the steamer's headlight lit the way. No tree sat in the center, as that would have spoiled the illusion. A beautiful Christmas tree was there all right, but it illuminated a corner of the room. Only one reality spoils this wonderful memory - the train was a Lionel. Dang! But wait, all is not lost; the basement of that old house held a great surprise. Yes, it was a Gilbert Erector Set. The biggest one I had ever seen, and my slightly older cousin was hard at work building a Ferris Wheel. That was almost sixty years ago, but it helped start my love for trains. A few years later I got an erector set of my own, and now as an adult I play with American Flyer trains. Moral of this story is - keep that inner kid in you alive, its fun! Well, I gotta go down the cellar now. See Ya! Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51393	From: cornwall9	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion

This year one of my best friends passed away. Almost 20 years ago, when his fater passed away, I helped him with the unhappy task of getting his father's American Flyer collection ready for auction. His father had some gorgeous pieces and quite a large collection. I was just starting a new job with a brand-new daughter and I was unable to purchase any of the collection. The pieces were well-maintained and the bids reflected their high sale value. Most of them went for 25- 30% higher than market price. My friend was also a collector of American Flyer but did not have as large of a collection. When my daughter was born, my wife and I could not think of a better person to become her Godfather. At Christmas, he would also put up his American Flyer "platform" to enjoy becoming a kid again watching the steam loco puff their cedar-scented smoke and listen to the chuff of the smoke units. Shortly after Christmas, I got a call from his sister that he was in the hospital. My family and I drove to the hospital to visit. He was always a very happy gentleman and even though he was not in the best health, we had a very pleasant visit. A few days after that visit he passed away. A week after the funeral, I got a call from his sister. He had given all of his trains to his Goddaughter, my daughter, in his will. My daughter is 29 and a special-needs person. She understood about his passing but cannot care for his collection. When I asked her what she wanted to do with the trains, she made a simple statement. "I want to see them run." For the past few years, I had been putting a small loop of Flyer track under our Christmas tree and running a small train from my childhood collection. This year, after the tree was put up, we opened some of the boxes from her collection, picked out a 322 Hudson and 4 green heavyweight passenger cars, and hooked up the transformer. When the track was wired and the tranformer turned on, She ran the train. She looked at me as the sweet smell of cedar smoke curling through the air and said, " I know Uncle Jimmy is happy because we are running his train for him to watch." I can't think of a better way to remember him than this. Merry Christmas to you all, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51394	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion

Well said my friend!! Real buildings don't glow. But I can't imagine a Christmas village/ layout (or any village/layout) WITHOUT glowing buildings!! Rick On Dec 12, 2008, at 5:25 AM, Stumpy Stone wrote: > It's that time of the year when folks get out their old stuff and put > up a loop of track around the Christmas Tree, sometimes with ceramic > buildings, often on a white bed sheet to represent a snowy > landscape. They populate their wintery world with out scale, but > cute figures and vehicles. The whole scene is lighted with the > bizarre glow of colored lights. > Oh, I suppose that this is a scene that the "serious" model > railroader might cringe at, or the "serious" collector might shudder > at the thought of trains actually being run. > But the folks that do this once a year see something that others > don't. All the odd combinations of items and the missing details > melt away for that time they can just sit back and watch the train go > around and around. Their imagination and their memories carry them > to a place of enjoyment that is theirs alone. A place of warmth and > peace that no longer exists in the "real" world. > It's an illusion. But I think that those of us who "play with > trains" all year around are trying to capture that same illusion in a > different way. It doesn't matter if we're operating a scale railroad, > or running vintage toy trains. We're escaping into our own world > for those brief periods that we're engaged in our hobby. We're > slipping into an illusion...and why not? > Stumpy Stone...illusionist for more than fifty years...in eastern > Ahia. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51395	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion

I'm excited to see people remembering what Christmas is REALLY about! Aside from the spiritual aspects, I mean. It's all about CHILDHOOD! Creating MAGIC! I give you all a standing ovation! GOOD JOB! This is what the hobby is for ME! The train room is where a "grown man" can be a kid! It keeps us young and vital! THat is very important. It has significant health ramifications even! That child in us just loves to come out & play! Personally - I enjoy giving mine free rein! I've seen comments from some that think that makes me a bad person! I say - I bet I out live them! ;-D}} Remember to be the wizard that IS Santa Claus! Remember to include some *magic* in your life on a regular basis! It's in the constitution! "Life, Liberty ,*and the pursuit of happiness* "! Badda BING! THere ya go! Merry Christmas - KIDS!~ Justin Dancing Hawk On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:21 AM, John wrote: > After I got it up and running, we let it > run around the tree for about an hour. Heck my wife was even out > there playing with it and that was a miracle. She liked seeing the > train > go around the track with it's headlights on with only the tree > lights on. > I set there with her and just watched it run. Brings back childhood > memories!! > > John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51396	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion

Bless you, Stumpy!!! You've expressed my own feelings to a tee! Thank you, and a Merry Christmaas to you and yours-John Marganski (53 yrs. under the tree) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51397	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Ice Storm

For those of you who have been trying to reach us for the past two days (by phone, or e-mail), we have just been through a bad ice storm in NE Massachusetts and southern NH. We lost all power and heat yesterday, and just got it back on our street late this afternoon. There are nearby areas where power may be out for as much as a week yet, so we are lucky! Meanwhile, we could take no orders, fill no orders, ship no orders......etc. Only two days....but we were already back-logged and this will put us even further behind, so please be patient. We'll get caught up ASAP. If you are submitting an order for anything needed before Christmas, please indicate that. We will do our best....... Thanks......... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobbies Newburyport, MA 01950 www.portlines.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51398	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: ORANGE TANK CAR

#625 orange SHELL tank car, $149 Rarity Index = 4. As with the Celanese tank car, Lionel in 1995 reissued this piece with the same number. However, their version uses the modern configuration of split body tanks on a plastic frame. In contrast, our 625 repaints use diecast frames with link couplers along with the early complete tank bodies as found on originals. You say that originals had a plastic frame, too? Well, yes, that's true, but there are reports that the last orange SHELL tank cars in 1946 used the diecast frame. The plastic frame was blamed for some of the unexpected warpage of the tanks in 1946 and was quickly discontinued. Our repaints feature an orange painted body with black ends and top. Our lettering is accurate and true to the originals. Accurate descriptions of the various orange 625s are in Heimburger's, A.C. Gilbert's Heritage, "The Tank Cars Debut in 1946," p. 74 and in D. Garrigues, B. Haugh, and G. Baloun (1997), "The AF Orange Shell Tank Cars," The Train Collectors Quarterly, 43(3): 18-19. The descriptions in Vol. I of the 1991 and 1997 Greenberg Guides to American Flyer S Gauge are inaccurate. If you don't have these articles, send us a SASE, and we'll send you copies. I found this on the repro. web site. Mike Who

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51399	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: ORANGE TANK CAR

Mike, What is the address for the repro website? Thanks, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:24 PM, <anormal1@...> wrote: > #625 orange SHELL tank car, $149 > Rarity Index = 4. As with the Celanese tank car, Lionel in 1995 reissued > this piece with the same number. However, their version uses the modern > configuration of split body tanks on a plastic frame. In contrast, our 625 > repaints > use diecast frames with link couplers along with the early complete tank > bodies as found on originals. You say that originals had a plastic frame, > too? > Well, yes, that's true, but there are reports that the last orange SHELL > tank cars in 1946 used the diecast frame. The plastic frame was blamed for > some > of the unexpected warpage of the tanks in 1946 and was quickly > discontinued. > Our repaints feature an orange painted body with black ends and top. Our > lettering is accurate and true to the originals. Accurate descriptions of > the > various orange 625s are in Heimburger's, A.C. Gilbert's Heritage, "The Tank > > Cars Debut in 1946," p. 74 and in D. Garrigues, B. Haugh, and G. Baloun > (1997), "The AF Orange Shell Tank Cars," The Train Collectors Quarterly, > 43(3): > 18-19. The descriptions in Vol. I of the 1991 and 1997 Greenberg Guides to > American Flyer S Gauge are inaccurate. If you don't have these articles, > send us > a SASE, and we'll send you copies. > I found this on the repro. web site. Mike Who > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51400	From: bstilesaf	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: S gauge Santa Claus??

Does anyone have a source for an S gauge Santa Claus figure? I am 50% done building a Polar Express train in S gauge from two junked maroon 652 AF heavyweights and a 283 loco. The body work on the one 652 is awesome (thanks to the body shop teacher at school!) and will feature a red grain-of-wheat bulb on the top rear...just like in the movie! Anyway, I would like to have a Santa Claus on the extended observation deck. As always and obviously, HO ones are too small... and O ones too big. I saw some pictured in the S-Helper website's "Christmas Cars" section. I guess he sold some with the first caboose Christmas car he produced. Any ideas? Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51401	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ice Storm

Doug, Sorry to hear about the storm. I can sympathize as we were without power due to the tail end of Ike in October for almost two weeks. At least it was warm then. Glad your power ( & heat) is back on now. I was hoping to get this order by Christmas. Much appreciated if you can do it. If it is not possible then I appreciate the effort anyway. Order Confirmation - ID: 24096733 Name: Tim Benner Email: tim.benner@... Comments: The motor is for a 322 SIT (brass buttons). Could you add a drive gear and bushings for that chassis? Thanks! Billing Address: 371 Colonial Lane Dayton OH 45429 USA Phone: 937-439-4918 Ship to: Skip if same as above Shipping Address: Skip if same as above Skip if same as above Skip if same as above Skip if same as above Skip if same as above Order: ------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 DRY TRANSFERS (ID: 933) DRY-TRANSFER: "NY,NH 3.00 1 MOTOR PARTS (ID: 2601) CAN-MOTOR, AC; no f 33.95 1 290 USED PACIFIC STEAM ENGINE; 4-6-2; K 45.00 Total # items: 4 Subtotal $ 84.95 ( USPS/UPS ) Shipping $ 6.00 Total $ 90.95 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: > For those of you who have been trying to reach us for the past two days > (by phone, or e-mail), we have just been through a bad ice storm in NE > Massachusetts and southern NH. We lost all power and heat yesterday, > and just got it back on our street late this afternoon. There are > nearby areas where power may be out for as much as a week yet, so we > are lucky! Meanwhile, we could take no orders, fill no orders, ship no > orders......etc. Only two days....but we were already back-logged and > this will put us even further behind, so please be patient. We'll get > caught up ASAP. > If you are submitting an order for anything needed before Christmas, > please indicate that. We will do our best....... > Thanks......... > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobbies > Newburyport, MA 01950 > www.portlines.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51402	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: ORANGE TANK CAR

Anyone wanting the repo web address contact me. Mike Who _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) In a message dated 12/12/2008 7:01:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tim.benner@... writes: Mike, What is the address for the repro website? Thanks, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:24 PM, <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > wrote: > #625 orange SHELL tank car, $149 > Rarity Index = 4. As with the Celanese tank car, Lionel in 1995 reissued > this piece with the same number. However, their version uses the modern > configuration of split body tanks on a plastic frame. In contrast, our 625 > repaints > use diecast frames with link couplers along with the early complete tank > bodies as found on originals. You say that originals had a plastic frame, > too? > Well, yes, that's true, but there are reports that the last orange SHELL > tank cars in 1946 used the diecast frame. The plastic frame was blamed for > some > of the unexpected warpage of the tanks in 1946 and was quickly > discontinued. > Our repaints feature an orange painted body with black ends and top. Our > lettering is accurate and true to the originals. Accurate descriptions of > the > various orange 625s are in Heimburger's, A.C. Gilbert's Heritage, "The Tank > > Cars Debut in 1946," p. 74 and in D. Garrigues, B. Haugh, and G. Baloun > (1997), "The AF Orange Shell Tank Cars," The Train Collectors Quarterly, > 43(3): > 18-19. The descriptions in Vol. I of the 1991 and 1997 Greenberg Guides to > American Flyer S Gauge are inaccurate. If you don't have these articles, > send us > a SASE, and we'll send you copies. > I found this on the repro. web site. Mike Who > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51403	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: RAIRITY REPO's

_American Flyer S-Gauge Rarity Repros_ (http://home.comcast.net/~seg50/) Mike Who **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51404	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion

The PVMR Layout for 2008 is almost history-- _http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html) The change from "green" to white is mostly subtle, but, the little bit of snow (mere dusting, really) cast over most of the layout gives the illusion of winters arrival. We did notice that we had NO snowplows, before we covered the layout in "deep" snow. Back to the shop to properly equip a MACK before it gets too deep. Except for the "extension", the snow is loose, will be vacced up tomorrow evening. YES, kids do run our trains, at our invitation. Melissa (9) was running the "commuter job" tonight after Kyle signed out. Kyle really IS there twice a day, every day since we opened. 6 yr old Jared is an "after school" and Saturday guy now. Jared brought us HIS trains so we could see them last Saturday. Jim "share them if ya got them" Lyle **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51405	From: bimorph	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: ORANGE TANK CAR

Mike, Thanks for the address. I'll see if I can get the info from them. I posted three pictures of my car in the Photos section. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51406	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: S gauge Santa Claus??

Check with SHS. They used to have them and might still. Otherwise check with their dealers... Sorry, I don't have any now. Bill Winans Does anyone have a source for an S gauge Santa Claus figure?a Anyway, I would like to have a Santa Claus on the extended observation deck. Any ideas? Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51407	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: S gauge Santa Claus??

Dear Ben, Our painted Santa and Mrs. Claus figures (together) are $8.95. I am not sure of the postage, UPS would be more. It would be a couple of bucks. If you want to insure it maybe a bit more. If you are interested, let me know and we will calculate the shipping. Don On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:18 PM, bstilesaf wrote: > Does anyone have a source for an S gauge Santa Claus figure? I am 50% > done building a Polar Express train in S gauge from two junked maroon > 652 AF heavyweights and a 283 loco. The body work on the one 652 is > awesome (thanks to the body shop teacher at school!) and will feature > a red grain-of-wheat bulb on the top rear...just like in the movie! > > Anyway, I would like to have a Santa Claus on the extended observation > deck. As always and obviously, HO ones are too small... and O ones too > big. > > I saw some pictured in the S-Helper website's "Christmas Cars" > section. I guess he sold some with the first caboose Christmas car he > produced. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks! Ben > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51408	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion

Jim, Very nice set up! And showing our favorite trains this way is a great way to get them out into the public's eye and talk to some nice folks. Not to mention seeing the little ones' faces light up. Now,... about those hoagies... ;>) Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > The PVMR Layout for 2008 is almost history-- > > _http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html_ > (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html) > > Jim "share them if ya got them" Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51409	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: S gauge Santa Claus??

Ben, Email Don or Robin Thompson to see if they have more of those figures in stock. I bought a set last year and they are great and would work well for what you want. At that point SHS was selling them as a separate Christmas figures set. Tom bstilesaf wrote: > > Does anyone have a source for an S gauge Santa Claus figure? I am 50% > done building a Polar Express train in S gauge from two junked maroon > 652 AF heavyweights and a 283 loco. The body work on the one 652 is > awesome (thanks to the body shop teacher at school!) and will feature > a red grain-of-wheat bulb on the top rear...just like in the movie! > > Anyway, I would like to have a Santa Claus on the extended observation > deck. As always and obviously, HO ones are too small... and O ones too > big. > > I saw some pictured in the S-Helper website's "Christmas Cars" > section. I guess he sold some with the first caboose Christmas car he > produced. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks! Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51410	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion

Gotta love the looks on the kids faces... Thanks and have a merry Christmas! Bill Winans ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The illusion The PVMR Layout for 2008 is almost history-- _http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html_ (http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html) The change from "green" to white is mostly subtle, but, the little bit of snow (mere dusting, really) cast over most of the layout gives the illusion of winters arrival. We did notice that we had NO snowplows, before we covered the layout in "deep" snow. Back to the shop to properly equip a MACK before it gets too deep. Except for the "extension", the snow is loose, will be vacced up tomorrow evening. YES, kids do run our trains, at our invitation. Melissa (9) was running the "commuter job" tonight after Kyle signed out. Kyle really IS there twice a day, every day since we opened. 6 yr old Jared is an "after school" and Saturday guy now. Jared brought us HIS trains so we could see them last Saturday. Jim "share them if ya got them" Lyle **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51411	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car -- Digest Number 4285

Sorry, but this is not entirely correct. Painted vintage originals are less common than unpainted but do very much exist. Close inspection will reveal that the orange-painted versions are painted over orange plastic. The one I own and others I have observed usually have some of the usual tank warping and a bowed plastic frame to match. Painted originals are pictured in the 1st edition of my guide (page 74) and in Dave Doyle's book (pg 130 - top of second column). Bob Bubeck (TM American Flyer Price and Rarity Guide 1946 - 2004.) In a message dated 12/12/2008 9:44:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Before that time I remember no painted version orange Shell tank cars seen or mentioned. My guess is that if you have a painted orange Shell tank no matter which frame, warped or not, it is probably not original. Bill Drake **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51412	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Lionel website error

After reading a previous posting which took me by surprise, I followed up on it........this is the "word" from Lionel: Despite what the Lionel website states, the three-car blue-&-yellow freight car set has NOT been cancelled; it is scheduled for production! The Sales Department was not even aware that the website indicated cancellation (you know..... that "right hand vs left hand" thing)..... but that is not the case. In addition..... The Freedom Train 2-packs, and the Bethlehem Steel gondolas with the new coil load covers are on the way right now. Union Station Terminal Sheds will deliver before the end of the month. The production of the AF Swing Bridge has been cancelled. The "Big Boy" now has a delivery date of "May, 2009". Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51413	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car -- Digest Number 4285

I too have both VERSIONS... Original Painted and Unpainted... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from rbubeck327@...: -------------- Sorry, but this is not entirely correct. Painted vintage originals are less common than unpainted but do very much exist. Close inspection will reveal that the orange-painted versions are painted over orange plastic. The one I own and others I have observed usually have some of the usual tank warping and a bowed plastic frame to match. Painted originals are pictured in the 1st edition of my guide (page 74) and in Dave Doyle's book (pg 130 - top of second column). Bob Bubeck (TM American Flyer Price and Rarity Guide 1946 - 2004.) In a message dated 12/12/2008 9:44:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Before that time I remember no painted version orange Shell tank cars seen or mentioned. My guess is that if you have a painted orange Shell tank no matter which frame, warped or not, it is probably not original. Bill Drake **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51414	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car -- Digest Number 4285

Sorry -   I have not seen one of those and had assumed that painted versions were all done in the 70's over generally black plastic. Orange plastic with a plastic frame would certainly add credence to the existence of a painted version.   Bill Drake --- On Sat, 12/13/08, rcon7@... <rcon7@...> wrote: From: rcon7@... <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 625 Orange Shell tank car -- Digest Number 4285 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: rbubeck327@... Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 5:04 PM I too have both VERSIONS... Original Painted and Unpainted... Bob Conner ------------ -- Original message from rbubeck327@aol. com: ------------ -- Sorry, but this is not entirely correct. Painted vintage originals are less common than unpainted but do very much exist. Close inspection will reveal that the orange-painted versions are painted over orange plastic. The one I own and others I have observed usually have some of the usual tank warping and a bowed plastic frame to match. Painted originals are pictured in the 1st edition of my guide (page 74) and in Dave Doyle's book (pg 130 - top of second column). Bob Bubeck (TM American Flyer Price and Rarity Guide 1946 - 2004.) In a message dated 12/12/2008 9:44:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com writes: Before that time I remember no painted version orange Shell tank cars seen or mentioned. My guess is that if you have a painted orange Shell tank no matter which frame, warped or not, it is probably not original. Bill Drake ************ **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51415	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/14/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51416	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: AF 625 Orange Shell tank car -- Digest Number 4285

The painted version is also shown in TheGilbertGallery.org.   http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/tank_cars.html   --- On Sat, 12/13/08, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote: From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 625 Orange Shell tank car -- Digest Number 4285 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:04 AM Sorry, but this is not entirely correct. Painted vintage originals are less common than unpainted but do very much exist. Close inspection will reveal that the orange-painted versions are painted over orange plastic. The one I own and others I have observed usually have some of the usual tank warping and a bowed plastic frame to match. Painted originals are pictured in the 1st edition of my guide (page 74) and in Dave Doyle's book (pg 130 - top of second column). Bob Bubeck (TM American Flyer Price and Rarity Guide 1946 - 2004.) In a message dated 12/12/2008 9:44:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com writes: Before that time I remember no painted version orange Shell tank cars seen or mentioned. My guess is that if you have a painted orange Shell tank no matter which frame, warped or not, it is probably not original. Bill Drake ************ **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51417	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: The illusion

In a message dated 12/13/2008 11:46:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, poniaj@... writes: Very nice set up! And showing our favorite trains this way is a great way to get them out into the public's eye and talk to some nice folks. Not to mention seeing the little ones' faces light up. Now,... about those hoagies... The hoagies were LAST week, lot of work for a few ladies in our group. The layout is now on the second floor of the barn, hope to have it operational by Christmas morning. And then the planning begins for next year, already have spoken to market owner about our return. MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HANUKAH, Jim Lyle **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51418	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: 100 ton coal gondola

Did DPH/S Scale America ever build these BNSF Bethlehem Steel coal gondolas? MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51419	From: rmartin43	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: Flyonel Northern 9V Battery

I am a newcomer to this group and I continue to be amused, amazed and delighted with the camaraderie, advice and just plain fun everyone seems to be having, as well as the respect for each other continually on display. I have researched answers to putting the 9V battery in the tender of the Northerns (mine is the Milwaukee Road one) and there is no indication of problems separating the body from the chassis. It appears that the 2 handrails on the end of the tender body are in holes in the chassis and I have tried to pull it apart but am hesitant to use a lot of force for fear of breaking or bending the handrails (previous experience with other less expensive models has led to my caution with this one). Any advice for this aging child who loves his trains? Holiday wishes to all, Rusty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51420	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: Re: RAIRITY REPO's

This credit crisis is getting personal when someone repo's (reposesses) toy trains. LOL They are nice repro's (reproductions) however. Wayne Beachy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > _American Flyer S-Gauge Rarity Repros_ (http://home.comcast.net/~seg50/) > Mike Who > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51421	From: bstilesaf	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: American Models Passenger set for sale

I have a mechanically excellent Milwaukee Road passenger set for sale (I just replaced it with the one I really wanted...the B & O set ...yesterday!) Locomotive has a small paint chip on the gray boiler (I inherited it with a small spot of modeling glue on the boiler..when I removed the glue, the paint came off in that small spot, too). Universal joint replaced by American Models. Has seen layout time, but run cautiously and smoothly. Smokes great! (Current list $379.99) Five cars in great condition. Same run time as the engine. Some electrical pick ups for light strips replaced over the years. Some coupler "weights" may be broken off from dragging on my Tru-Scale switches. Coupler shanks already modified per "factory correction" specs to navigate curves/S curves.(Current list $319.99) Set box and original circle of 54" track. Asking $550.00. Pictures on request. Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51422	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: 2 Flyer books for sale

In digging through some back boxes I found the following: 1: Greenberg's price guide to American Flyer 1980 first edition, very nice hardback with slip cover 2: AC Gilberts Postwar American flyer S Gauge reference manual by Robert Hannon (signed) This has all the information on the coils, armatures, etc on all AF Locos, rolling stock and Accessories so you can rewind a coil or other electrical part. Like new paperback I would like to sell both together for $50 shipping included to USA48 but can split them up if need be. I can send pictures if interested. Paypal or checks work. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. 98028 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51423	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: Re: RAIRITY REPO's

What credit crisis?! The Greenberg show in Timonium was the largest crowd at that show at this time of year in a long time I was told by a vendor. Plus, I have been to some hobby shoppes the last couple of weekends and they are packed!!! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: rapidrail1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RAIRITY REPO's This credit crisis is getting personal when someone repo's (reposesses) toy trains. LOL They are nice repro's (reproductions) however. Wayne Beachy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > _American Flyer S-Gauge Rarity Repros_ (http://home.comcast.net/~seg50/) > Mike Who > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51424	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/14/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51425	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: Re: 100 ton coal gondola

Dear MK, DPH/SSA made 12 numbers of this car. They made both an AF and "scale' version of this car. I could not find any mention on their website, but we sold a bunch of these. Best regards, Don On Dec 14, 2008, at 11:14 AM, acgilbertflyer wrote: > Did DPH/S Scale America ever build these BNSF Bethlehem Steel coal > gondolas? > > MK > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51426	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: Fw: VRE Santa trains

Someone want figures of Santa & Mrs Santa recently. Do well agree on what they look like? Here are some pictures to view in your spare time. http://members.cox.net/dbdavies/news/news.htm Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51427	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/14/2008
Subject: Re: 100 ton coal gondola

Thanks for the reply. I saw these in the SHS catalog, and intended to order some. When I went looking on line for them I couldn't find any sign they had ever been made. (looked on SHS and DPH/SSA web sites) If they were that popular seems like a reissue would be likely???? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Dear MK, > DPH/SSA made 12 numbers of this car. They made both an AF and > "scale' version of this car. I could not find any mention on their > website, but we sold a bunch of these. > Best regards, > Don > > On Dec 14, 2008, at 11:14 AM, acgilbertflyer wrote: > > > Did DPH/S Scale America ever build these BNSF Bethlehem Steel coal > > gondolas? > > > > MK > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51428	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/15/2008
Subject: Greensboro, MD show

We set up the portable layout again this year at the Greensboro, MD Library the first week in Dec. This is group of layouts set up for two days. All but "Z" had a layout. I was the "S" guy again. It is a 5 X 9 layout using American Flyer and S-Helper track and equipment. I have put a couple of photo's under Demo layout Greensboro, MD http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/275910029/pic/1044872120/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc The estimated attendance this year was about 500-600 people each day. Jim H [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51429	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/15/2008
Subject: Re: Greensboro, MD show

Nice job Jim. I've been thinking about a portable layout about that size as well. One basic question -- Is the 5 X 9 base all one piece or is it broken into sections that you put together on-site? Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> > We set up the portable layout again this year at the Greensboro, MD Library the > first week in Dec. This is group of layouts set up for two days. All but "Z" > had a layout. I was the "S" guy again. It is a 5 X 9 layout using American > Flyer and S-Helper track and equipment. I have put a couple of photo's under > Demo layout Greensboro, MD > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/275910029/pic/1044872120/vie > w?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > > The estimated attendance this year was about 500-600 people each day. > > Jim H > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51430	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/15/2008
Subject: The Coalporters -- Rotary Dump Gondolas

----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertflyer If they were that popular seems like a reissue would be likely???? > > > > > > > > > > On a Des Plaines order sheet dated Aug 08, four paint schemes are listed, CSX black, BN black, Union Pacific CMO, and Conrail Quality. 6 numbers to be available in each. When they actually appear, who knows, But DPH eventually does come thru with what they promise. tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51431	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/15/2008
Subject: Memories of our first trains

This subject was started over on the TCA list, thought it might be fun here too! "My" first train wasn't even mine, it was a present to my brothers, and my oldest memory. I was a little over a year old when my brothers found an AF 307 atlantic (basic train set, no smoke, no choo-choo, and three cars (IC reefer, Frisco gon & Reading Caboose) $19.95) running around a loop under the tree. I WANTED that train! Grandpa & Grandma gave a pair of RC switches the next year, and a few years later my oldest brother bought the Baldwin Switcher set with his paper route money (I still remember them going to get it, must have been in the Western Auto store in town, or maybe L& L hardware (who many years later gave me two pair of RC switches found in the back room when they moved)--again, basic set, loco, IC Reefer, N&Wgon, reading caboose with one coupler--$15.95). Many years later, I got a train set for Christmas--but it was HO!! AUGH! I wanted AF!! Well, still have those AF trains, and they taught me the basics of train repair. (I think bits of the HO set are around somewhere too, but not certain) They're not mint by any means, and probably some of the least significant, production-wise of my stuff, but they still hold a place of honor! But when I got my first engine with smoke & choo-choo!!! Wowziers! (Tony Sweigle's brother stopped by the house, "I'm goin' to the dump, if ya want my old train, it's five bucks!"---DAD!! can I have an advance????!!!!--hey, $5 was a lot of money to a 7th grader!) A 302AC he'd "customized" with black and silver paint. It looks better now. Yeppers, good memories. I need to dig out those old B&W pictures of some of my winter train layouts (my folks owned a summer resort, after the cabins closed for winter, I could use one for my layout--but NO HEAT!! too expensive! I'd trudge out there through 3' of snow and play---er WORK on my layout until the hands were blue, then back to the house to warm up! Gee, sounds sorta like, "I walked three miles uphill both ways through snow to go to school, what'er you complaining about??" Yoicks!! Are we the old guys now?? Have a Merry Christmas, y'all! And cherish those memories, even the ones you creat today (but can't remember due to short-term memory loss !! Heh Heh Heh!) S'incerely, David "two rails" Dewey (That's how I sign over there, nicer than saying, "My trains are better'n yours!" ) But they ARE!!! :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51432	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/15/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: VRE Santa trains

Nice link! I enjoyed the other photos too! ~Justin Dancing Hawk On Dec 14, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: > Someone want figures of Santa & Mrs Santa recently. Do well agree > on what > they look like? Here are some pictures to view in your spare time. > > http://members.cox.net/dbdavies/news/news.htm > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51433	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Memories of our first trains

Well, David, this is certainly the time of the year for retrospection. I was born in March and got my first train set the following Christmas,a Marx wind up set. I was a bit young to play with it at the time, of course, but I still have that train in excellent condition in the original box. It's not worth much today, but worth gold to me. After torturing my Dad by trying to play with his HO layout, he built me some cardstock and balsa Stromberg kits (anyone remember them?) My father was a founding member of the local model railroad club and built models for an archetecture firm in those days. For Christmas at age four, I got a basic American Flyer train set! Typical Atlantic loco two cars and Reading style caboose. That was added to for several years and I had that set for a long time. I built an Erector "amusement park" with that train running around it, then I tore that down and built an Erector bridge for the train to cross. I read Dad's Model Railroader magazines and loved the pictures of John Allen's railroad. So Dad and I made a mountain with tunnel using plaster and screen wire for it to run through. He helped me built cardboard buildings for my layout too. That poor old Atlantic had thousands of miles on it before my little brother finally wrecked it beyond repair. By then, I had moved on to HO scale. That basic American Flyer set was the springboard for a lifetime of "playing with trains" which has spanned every scale from the tiny Z scale up to 7 1/2" scale, trains big enough to ride on! I've dabbled with live steam, garden railways, and narrow gauge in a couple of scales as well. My first ventures into writing for magazines began with trains. And now, fifty four years after receiving that Flyer set, I'm back into S gauge in a big way. You CAN go home again! Stumpy Stone...just a big kid in eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51434	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Chassis Problem

I have 6-wheel chassis that has had the two metal ears(?) that holds it in the boiler at the rear broken off. Has anyone found a solution to fixing or repairing them? Thanks in advance Jim Hannawald [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51435	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem

If they are the little "L" shaped tabs I usually fill the holes with Epoxy and drill them... If the sides are broken out I make sure the area is clean and make a small FORM out of tape, or I have used a cut STRAW.... I then fill this with EPOXY ,,,, drill a new hole and it has held for years... Bob Conner -------------- Original message from "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...>: -------------- I have 6-wheel chassis that has had the two metal ears(?) that holds it in the boiler at the rear broken off. Has anyone found a solution to fixing or repairing them? Thanks in advance Jim Hannawald [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51436	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: Memories of our first trains

Hi Stumpy -- I HAVE a new-in-the-box Strombecker City of San Franciso. Any idea of it's current value in dollars? Merry! Bill Winans Stromberg kits (anyone remember them?) Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51437	From: rep928	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: K-line Cars

Does anyone have/know of a list of the S-gauge rolling stock made by K-line? (just realized how long its been since I posted to this group). Thanks! - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51438	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem

Jim I would be looking for a new one on Ebay, they are still cheep. I just lookied at one in my train room, and I could weld some new pot metal there, but it would take alot of work to get it in to the shape you would need. Any thing other then a weld would break off in time. There's not much to work with in that area. I'm still thinking about it, and I will let you know if I come up with something. Clayton S. D. Milwaukis OR. --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: > From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Chassis Problem > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 9:52 AM > I have 6-wheel chassis that has had the two metal ears(?) > that holds it in the boiler at the rear broken off. Has > anyone found a solution to fixing or repairing them? > > Thanks in advance > > Jim Hannawald > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51439	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: K-line Cars

yes there was a list at Hobby Surplus sales.  they are online I have a list but do not know if it is complete. --- On Tue, 12/16/08, rep928 <plotnick@...> wrote: From: rep928 <plotnick@...> Subject: [S-Trains] K-line Cars To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 2:37 PM Does anyone have/know of a list of the S-gauge rolling stock made by K-line? (just realized how long its been since I posted to this group). Thanks! - Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51440	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: K-line Cars

Portlines has a list with pictures at: http://64.251.10.24/~worldofw/cgi-bin/shoppl.pl/page=K_LINE.htm/SID=7140\ 3463 <http://64.251.10.24/~worldofw/cgi-bin/shoppl.pl/page=K_LINE.htm/SID=714\ 03463> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rep928" <plotnick@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have/know of a list of the S-gauge rolling stock made by K-line? (just realized > how long its been since I posted to this group). Thanks! - Roy > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51441	From: Firewood	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem

This here is wonderful stuff; it may in fact be the answer to everything........ http://www.jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php Check out the testimonials. DW

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51442	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Re: American Models Passenger set for sale

With American Models track? --- On Sun, 12/14/08, bstilesaf <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: bstilesaf <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Passenger set for sale To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 1:24 PM I have a mechanically excellent Milwaukee Road passenger set for sale (I just replaced it with the one I really wanted...the B & O set ...yesterday! ) Locomotive has a small paint chip on the gray boiler (I inherited it with a small spot of modeling glue on the boiler..when I removed the glue, the paint came off in that small spot, too). Universal joint replaced by American Models. Has seen layout time, but run cautiously and smoothly. Smokes great! (Current list $379.99) Five cars in great condition. Same run time as the engine. Some electrical pick ups for light strips replaced over the years. Some coupler "weights" may be broken off from dragging on my Tru-Scale switches. Coupler shanks already modified per "factory correction" specs to navigate curves/S curves.(Current list $319.99) Set box and original circle of 54" track. Asking $550.00. Pictures on request. Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51443	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: Flyonel Northern 9V Battery

This is a tight fit. I remember putting the battery in mine, and I struggled to get that top off. They cram a lot of stuff into the tender shell..much more than the post war version. Keep at it, be gentle with it, but it is pretty stout, and it will come off with some perseverance! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51444	From: bstilesaf	Date: 12/16/2008
Subject: AF prewar wiring??

Greetings all: I tried to re-work my prewar 3/16" 565 Atlantic. It had the brush holder with the "built on" springs, like the '46-47 postwar versions. I replaced it with a new brush spring holder and clips found on later postwar. I did the same to my 561 Pacific and it worked great. Problem is that only one brush holder had a wire going to it originally, and the correct wire goes to the tender, as it should. Darn third rail!! Does anyone have a wiring diagram or experience with these old babies? I hooked everything up the same as it was, but now I get nothing but e-unit clicking. The loco does not even pretend to spin its wheels, so something is missing. Any help much appreciated! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51445	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: Re: AF prewar wiring??

The other brush holder gets earthed to the chassis through a short terminal or wire going to the adjacent screw holding the Bakelite brush holder in place. BTW this is standard practice for most prewar O gauge electrics of all makes. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bstilesaf Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF prewar wiring?? Greetings all: I tried to re-work my prewar 3/16" 565 Atlantic. It had the brush holder with the "built on" springs, like the '46-47 postwar versions. I replaced it with a new brush spring holder and clips found on later postwar. I did the same to my 561 Pacific and it worked great. Problem is that only one brush holder had a wire going to it originally, and the correct wire goes to the tender, as it should. Darn third rail!! Does anyone have a wiring diagram or experience with these old babies? I hooked everything up the same as it was, but now I get nothing but e-unit clicking. The loco does not even pretend to spin its wheels, so something is missing. Any help much appreciated! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51446	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem

I've used JB Weld before with good results. it's messy (like all the u-mix-it epoxies) but it does the job pretty well. Is anyone aware of a similar product out there that conducts electricity? (JB's is an insulator) Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Firewood" <fahrwud@...> > This here is wonderful stuff; it may in fact be the answer to > everything........ > > http://www.jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php > > Check out the testimonials. > > DW > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51447	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem

Bexane is conductive, but not readily available to the public. It comes in large containers and is an industrial product. I have two "sample" pints that I got from the company rep. Been using it for years. Dries as hard as steel if properly mixed. Steve SnS Trains Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51448	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem

Thanks. I'll keep my eyes/ears open for Bexane. Not much on Google for Bexane other than a description of what it is and that it's made by Certified Labs. No order information, even by the barrel! ! :) Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: boss31@... > Bexane is conductive, but not readily available to the public. It comes in > large containers and is an industrial product. I have two "sample" pints that I > got from the company rep. Been using it for years. Dries as hard as steel if > properly mixed. > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51449	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: Re: American Models Passenger set for sale

This set has an oval (sorry not a circle) of American Models sectional track, 12 pieces of 54" diameter curved track, and six straights. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51450	From: Jim King	Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: SR/C&O "S" scale wood rack a "go"

I have received a sufficient number of reservations to proceed with the Southern/C&O 41' pulpwood rack, circa 1951 to the late 70s. Patterns arrived on Monday and they look REALLY sharp! This will be a super-detailed, unique kit. Target ship date is early January. For those of you who have sent in a deposit, please send the balance plus shipping to complete your order. Those of you who have not sent a deposit, please send the entire amount (plus shipping) to confirm your order. Dealers will receive their kits first, followed by pre-paid deposit orders. Verbal reservations that remain unpaid by the start of kit shipments will be canceled. To see photos of the prototypes, go to this link: http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/soupulpwood.html Kit descriptions and applicable shipping charges are noted on this page. Contact me off-list if paying via credit card and/or if you have questions. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51451	From: innotron	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: The Great Train Expo

Hi all, I have added to Alex's Layout some photos that I took at the Great Train Expo in Del Mar, Ca this past weekend. Here is the link. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2116161882/pic/74086264/view?picmode=medium&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc enjoy, Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51452	From: gettysburg9	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: AF Crossover stalling problem

An intermittent problem with my two 90 degree crossovers. Annoying stalling as some of my engines encounter them. Is this the nature of the beast or would there be a workable solution or modification (besides getting rid of the crossovers)? It gets tiresome increasing the speed as they approach these. Sort of loses the smoothe pace one desires. Thanks guys (and gals). Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51453	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: AF Crossover stalling problem

Have you checked the conductivity of the rails & the leads within the crossing? I don't have one in front of me to examine (I have 4 spare AF O crossings!) but any internal connections that were crimped or soldered together might have oxydized. It'd be worth the time & effort to examine them. If you have a multi-function meter, check the resistances and current flow. If you don't have a meter, then risk the time & effort to clean & recrimp, or solder for the first time, or resolder the connections. I recently (at last!!) after 4 years of necessarily neglecting my inner-most pike (all Gilbert O gauge except for a few pieces of other brands of wider radius track) debugged the installation. It includes 9 #688 remote switches, some of which had developed comparable conductivity issues. Examining them revealed some such problems which are now all solved. Best, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51454	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: AF Crossover stalling problem

This is a problem common on old Flyer locos because of the way they pick up power from the track. One truck contacts the "Plus" rail while the other contacts the "Minus" rail, so the entire length of the tender (on steam engines) or the loco chassis (on diesels and the Docksider) must be in contact with powered track. The crossover presents the locomotive with an insulated "dead zone" so the crossing tracks do not short out. If you have two crossovers back to back, you have to wire the areas between the intersecting points for power. On most HO and other locomotives, this problem is eliminated by insulating the axles so that all wheels on both sides of the engine can pick up juice continuously. All trucks pick up Plus and Minus at the same time. And since they run direct DC power with no reverse unit, they don't "kick into neutral" with each power interruption. Even so, there can still be problems with very short wheelbase locomotives. I've used two different things to get around this problem in the smaller scales and it will probably work with Gilbert locos. First, you can double head engines. This allows the trailing engine to push the lead engine through the Dead zone, then the lead engine pulls the trailing engine through. The problem is making drawbars to connect the locos and the drain of two engines drawing power. Second, make up a freight or passenger car that picks up juice and connect it to the locomotive with wiring and a plug. The car provides power when the engine is on the dead zone. Stumpy Stone...hope this helps...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51455	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Turntable Wiring?

I am finally finishing my scratch built roundhouse turntable and have realized that there is an interesting problem. If you rotate the turntable 180 degrees what was the left track is now the right track and vice versa. You get sort of a reverse loop kind of short I believe between the lead track and the turntable track so polarity has to be reversed somehow. Has anyone come up with a good way to deal with this? Chuck Harrington A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online! http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51456	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: AF Crossover stalling problem

1. you could replace them. 2. do you know how to check them? 3. I would be willing to help you. A v.o.m. is a very usefull tool to have. I do not like saying     Radio Shack but most hardware stores should have them also. --- On Thu, 12/18/08, gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> wrote: From: gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Crossover stalling problem To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 4:28 AM An intermittent problem with my two 90 degree crossovers. Annoying stalling as some of my engines encounter them. Is this the nature of the beast or would there be a workable solution or modification (besides getting rid of the crossovers)? It gets tiresome increasing the speed as they approach these. Sort of loses the smoothe pace one desires. Thanks guys (and gals). Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51457	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Train Books (FOR SALE)

Hello Train friends, I have some books that you might want. Some are Flyer others are just trains. http://picasaweb.google.com/yorke.paul/TrainBooks# Let me know (off list) if you are interested. FYI: I doubt I will go to the post office prior to Christmas. -- Paul Yorke - paul at paulyorke dot com Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. Sir Winston Churchill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51458	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Wiring?

Chuck, Here is a link to my turntable web page. It has a schematic that shows how I wired the bogy track to solve your problem. Carl http://www.tuveson.com/T-Table/Turntable.htm -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Harrington Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Turntable Wiring? I am finally finishing my scratch built roundhouse turntable and have realized that there is an interesting problem. If you rotate the turntable 180 degrees what was the left track is now the right track and vice versa. You get sort of a reverse loop kind of short I believe between the lead track and the turntable track so polarity has to be reversed somehow. Has anyone come up with a good way to deal with this? Chuck Harrington A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online! http://www.myflyertrains.org ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51459	From: Jim King	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: 3-pack offer on SR/C&O S-scale wood rack

A point of clarification re: my 3-pack offer for the upcoming S scale SR/C&O pulpwood racks is in order. "Bulk pack" pricing applies only for direct mail orders and is not offered to dealers. Customers can freely mix and match any of the 3 cars (2 SR, 1 C&O) to get the 3-pack price which is 10% less than buying them individually ($189 vs. $210) . plus $10 shipping. My web site needs clarification but that'll take a couple days to update it, so this email will suffice until then. As always, please contact me off-list if you have questions. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51460	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Wiring?

Hi Chuck -- Not knowing how you get power to your turntable bridge, I can't make a definitive recommendation. One usually has a split set of contacts (ring rail, or other) that are polarized opposite each other so that when the bridge turns it changes polarity. An easy, and sometimes useful, alternative is to put a dpdt reversing switch in the bridge circuit and manually change the direction. Have fun! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ If you rotate the turntable 180 degrees what was the left track is now the right track and vice versa. Has anyone come up with a good way to deal with this? Chuck Harrington

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51461	From: Coopers	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Train Books (FOR SALE)

Hi Paul I would be interested in 1 of your offered pubs if still available: Item 8 - Greenberg Factory Manual Please let me know and if available, total cost shipped to a residence in Richardson, TX (75081). Please also indicate your preferred payment method (Paypal is fine with me if OK for you). Best Regards, Art Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Yorke To: slist Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Books (FOR SALE) Hello Train friends, I have some books that you might want. Some are Flyer others are just trains. http://picasaweb.google.com/yorke.paul/TrainBooks# Let me know (off list) if you are interested. FYI: I doubt I will go to the post office prior to Christmas. -- Paul Yorke - paul at paulyorke dot com Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. Sir Winston Churchill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51462	From: Michael Martino	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Train Books (FOR SALE)

THATS   NUMBER  6   AND  NUMBER   13  --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> wrote: From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Train Books (FOR SALE) To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 11:24 AM Hello Train friends, I have some books that you might want. Some are Flyer others are just trains. http://picasaweb. google.com/ yorke.paul/ TrainBooks# Let me know (off list) if you are interested. FYI: I doubt I will go to the post office prior to Christmas. -- Paul Yorke - paul at paulyorke dot com Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. Sir Winston Churchill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51463	From: Michael Martino	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Train Books (FOR SALE)

PAUL    I'LL TAKE   THE  REBUILDING  BOOK  AND    THE OPERATING   BOOK  LET  ME   KNOW   SHIPPING  TO  EAST MEADOW  LI  NY   MIKE --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> wrote: From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Train Books (FOR SALE) To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 11:24 AM Hello Train friends, I have some books that you might want. Some are Flyer others are just trains. http://picasaweb. google.com/ yorke.paul/ TrainBooks# Let me know (off list) if you are interested. FYI: I doubt I will go to the post office prior to Christmas. -- Paul Yorke - paul at paulyorke dot com Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. Sir Winston Churchill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51464	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Wiring?

Sliding contacts so the table track draws power from the track where you aline it. --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote: From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Turntable Wiring? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 11:59 AM I am finally finishing my scratch built roundhouse turntable and have realized that there is an interesting problem. If you rotate the turntable 180 degrees what was the left track is now the right track and vice versa. You get sort of a reverse loop kind of short I believe between the lead track and the turntable track so polarity has to be reversed somehow. Has anyone come up with a good way to deal with this? Chuck Harrington A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online! http://www.myflyert rains.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51465	From: trainnut1627	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Repaint for 1950's Plastic

I have just attempted my first repaint of a silver bullet from 1954. I used a standard spray can of paint for a primer after fully stripping the old paint with Cameleon gel stripper. When I applied a Krylon top coat, the paint is crinkling. Any suggestions on a good silver paint that won't crinkle?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51466	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: AF prewar wiring??

Any body seen any pre-war books on engine wiring, and repair?   American Flyer pre war repair? --- On Wed, 12/17/08, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF prewar wiring?? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 1:10 AM The other brush holder gets earthed to the chassis through a short terminal or wire going to the adjacent screw holding the Bakelite brush holder in place. BTW this is standard practice for most prewar O gauge electrics of all makes. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of bstilesaf Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF prewar wiring?? Greetings all: I tried to re-work my prewar 3/16" 565 Atlantic. It had the brush holder with the "built on" springs, like the '46-47 postwar versions. I replaced it with a new brush spring holder and clips found on later postwar. I did the same to my 561 Pacific and it worked great. Problem is that only one brush holder had a wire going to it originally, and the correct wire goes to the tender, as it should. Darn third rail!! Does anyone have a wiring diagram or experience with these old babies? I hooked everything up the same as it was, but now I get nothing but e-unit clicking. The loco does not even pretend to spin its wheels, so something is missing. Any help much appreciated! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51467	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR

Is blue a rare or uncommon color for a 644? Mike Who Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51468	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic

I went through the same thing last Spring repainting a 356. Frustrating! The base coat went on fine but the top coat always crinkled. My problem was solved by using Scalecoat in an airbrush instead of Krylon. Not sure if Scalecoat makes a shiny silver though. I saw silver in a spray can at the Port Lines website. That would be satin silver for a 354. Others have posted here about using chrome paint successfully. I would think that you would want to prime first to put a barrier between the plastic and any "hot" paint. I'll let the paint experts chime in on that. My experience (and experiments) last Spring showed me that anything that says fast-drying is probably too "hot" (a lot of solvent) The slower drying paints worked fine on plastic. The Scalecoat dries very slowly but is worth the wait. It takes 2 days to harden and a full 3 weeks before it passed my smoke fluid test. Back to the spray cans... I have been able to paint some coaches with spray cans. Extremely light coats is the only way to make that work. If I applied enough to look shiny in one application it would usually crinkle or worse, craze the plastic beneath. It's all about too much solvent dissolving the prior coats of paint and then even the plastic. Have fun with it! Let us know how it turns out. Tim Benner Dayton Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51469	From: ai2q	Date: 12/18/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem

Have you looked into a product called LabMetal? I bought some to repair an oil leak in the pan (sump) of one of my cars, but am awaiting spring weather before making the repair. You can learn more at the company's Web site. <http://www.alvinproducts.com/> Alex in Kennebunk, Maine --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > Thanks. I'll keep my eyes/ears open for Bexane. Not much on Google for Bexane other than a description of what it is and that it's made by Certified Labs. No order information, even by the barrel! ! :) > Jim E. > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: boss31@... > > Bexane is conductive, but not readily available to the public. It comes in > > large containers and is an industrial product. I have two "sample" pints that I > > got from the company rep. Been using it for years. Dries as hard as steel if > > properly mixed. > > Steve > > SnS Trains > > Boise > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51470	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic

I have repainted many older Flyer junkers using Plastikote automotive primer as my base coat. For a chrome like finish use the plastikote primer followed by a gloss black undercoat and Alclad chrome for lexan. I have not had any cases of crazing. --- On Thu, 12/18/08, trainnut1627 <jchodges46@...> wrote: From: trainnut1627 <jchodges46@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Repaint for 1950's Plastic To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 6:07 PM I have just attempted my first repaint of a silver bullet from 1954. I used a standard spray can of paint for a primer after fully stripping the old paint with Cameleon gel stripper. When I applied a Krylon top coat, the paint is crinkling. Any suggestions on a good silver paint that won't crinkle? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51471	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem

A few years back, I got some conductive epoxy from Mouser Electronics. You should be able to Google them. It wasn't cheap, and you didn't get much, but it worked when I glued in some eyelets into some tender truck bearings that had become worn on my 336. ____________________________________________________________ Click for free home insurance comparison and save 1000's. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbupNdIQYUkmOA3CFf7wzRAidOnO533Ze2oOVZ24LYzvOtjlR/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51472	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic

As I recall from my nosed and decked days, lacquer will always crinkle fresh enamel. I also seem to remember that Krylon is a lacquer. So, use Krylon silver paint, or use a clear acrylic over the silver you have been using. Good luck trainnut1627 wrote: > > > I have just attempted my first repaint of a silver bullet from 1954. I > used a standard spray can of paint for a primer after fully stripping > the old paint with Cameleon gel stripper. When I applied a Krylon top > coat, the paint is crinkling. Any suggestions on a good silver paint > that won't crinkle? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51473	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Wiring?

Excellent! I'll remember that one! That makes life EASY!! THe turntable becomes it's own revering section! Genius!! I haven't gotten this far myself - but it's coming! Very handy tip! Thanks much for sharing that! ~ Justin On Dec 18, 2008, at 3:45 PM, JFrederick Roberts wrote: > Sliding contacts so the table track draws power from the track > where you aline it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51474	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!

This being the season to have gatherings of family and friends, I was recently talking with a group of old buddies in automobile racing. As many of you know, I've been around racing almost as long as trains. The discussion turned to the economy as it often will these days. One of the group who has been around a VERY long time pointed out that despite economic downturns and other problems, automobile racing has survived for as long as there have been automobiles. Even two world wars, the Great Depression and the gas shortages of the seventies couldn't kill it, racing is still around in one form or another. This got me thinking about our hobby. The toy train ride has gone on almost as long as there have been real trains. The "model railroading" hobby actually got going DURING the Depression! War and shortage have failed to kill it, though its form has changed over the years, just like racing. Yes, we're going into some tough economic times. "Fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy ride." The first example of this is a decline in new product. But there are a lot of old items and techniques to fall back on that will keep the hobby alive. There IS "light at the end of the tunnel." This hobby is a survivor! Stumpy Stone...Don't nobody run for the doors!...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51475	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Wiring?

As far as *I* have ever heard of , you just wire it the same as any other reversing section/ or loop! A reversing module would be one option. ~ Justin Dancing Hawk On Dec 18, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Chuck Harrington wrote: > I am finally finishing my scratch built roundhouse turntable and have > realized that there is an interesting problem. > > If you rotate the turntable 180 degrees what was the left track is now > the right track and vice versa. You get sort of a reverse loop kind of > short I believe between the lead track and the turntable track so > polarity has to be reversed somehow. > > Has anyone come up with a good way to deal with this? > > Chuck Harrington [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51476	From: John	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem

I seem to recall we used to use a special pen filled with conductive ink or paint for repairing circuit boards a while back. You may try Googling conductive paint John ----- Original Message ----- From: <schwartzsj@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Chassis Problem >A few years back, I got some conductive epoxy from Mouser Electronics. You >should be able to Google them. It wasn't cheap, and you didn't get much, >but it worked when I glued in some eyelets into some tender truck bearings >that had become worn on my 336. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51477	From: trainnut1627	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic

Thanks for all the input. The Krylon paint I tried to use as a top coat was specifically for Plastic, but I suspect that they mean for modern plastic, not the 1950's type of plastic compounds. Anyway, I am stripping it again and will try one of the paints suggest here instead.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51478	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Chassis Problem

Just wandering & thinking that - wouldn't one get the same result from simply adding metal filings to your run of the mill epoxy ? It couldn't hurt to test it! ~ Justin On Dec 19, 2008, at 1:23 PM, schwartzsj@... wrote: > A few years back, I got some conductive epoxy from Mouser > Electronics. You should be able to Google them. It wasn't cheap, > and you didn't get much, but it worked when I glued in some eyelets > into some tender truck bearings that had become worn on my 336.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51479	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!

HI Stumpy! & All THat light at the end of the tunnel IS a train! ...... COOL!! LOL! ~Justin On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:36 AM, Stumpy Stone wrote: > "light at the end of the tunnel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51480	From: G C	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic

Not sure if what you are talking about is the chrome version of the engine in question. If I'm correct, I believe there was a thread a few months back on re-chroming. It was a two step process, where one had to remove the remaining chrome and then use a product to re-chrome the engine. The stuff you use comes from an auto parts store. Just don't remember the name.It must be in the archive. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51481	From: G C	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic

Lacquers will always "craze" raw styrene (plastics). Old Floquil, for example, was a lacquer and you needed to use their Barrier first. Can't recommend one in particular, but some sort of auto primer should prevent crazing prior to lacquer application on most plastics. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51482	From: The LANIERs	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR

Never seen nor seen any reference to a blue 644. If you have one, perhaps its a discolored black or repaint. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR Is blue a rare or uncommon color for a 644? Mike Who Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51483	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Conductive Epoxy update

Not a lot of luck in finding an electrically conductive epoxy for the average hobbyist. They do exist, but as stated by several forum members, you must buy in bulk and it's not inexpensive (at least by my meager standards.) The only pricing I could find was from Mouser Electronics for a 3M product. It was $123 for two mix-together cans of 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. They looked like quart cans, but it was hard to tell from the picture. The LabMetals product looked promising. It is an aluminum-based material that joins about everything and can be shaped, etc. However, a close reading of the website info says it is "thermally conductive, but not electrically conductive, but should not be considered an insulator." Close, but no cigar! All Electronics lists a conductive glue. But from what I can discern, it is designed to make a solder-like connection on circuit boards and cannot be built-up and shaped like an epoxy. Funny you would mention the iron filing additive idea, Justin. i was thinking of trying that myself. I have no idea how that would affect the bonding quality. I would guess one would have to experiment to find the right ratio of filings-to-epoxy. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51484	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Repaint for 1950's Plastic

Testor's Clear Gloss topcoat in the spray can is a reliable barrier that will prevent crazing.The bottled gloss clear is an enamel, so it won't do. BTW the fellow who does the re chroming recommends the spray can as prep for the re chrome-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51485	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Conductive Epoxy update

Jim,   Iron might be a good additive but have you thought of simple graphite? It is available as a dry lubricant and it is also conductive. I use a graphite / polymer solution to attach small surface-mount resistors to the axles to activate my block detection circuitry. It requires a healthy dose of graphite and since the axles are plastic, i must make sure I don't create a resistor by not adding enough to the polymer.   Perhaps this might work for you.   Regards, Nick Kulp --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: Jim Ensign <jimensign50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Conductive Epoxy update To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 11:06 AM Not a lot of luck in finding an electrically conductive epoxy for the average hobbyist. They do exist, but as stated by several forum members, you must buy in bulk and it's not inexpensive (at least by my meager standards.) The only pricing I could find was from Mouser Electronics for a 3M product. It was $123 for two mix-together cans of 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. They looked like quart cans, but it was hard to tell from the picture. The LabMetals product looked promising. It is an aluminum-based material that joins about everything and can be shaped, etc. However, a close reading of the website info says it is "thermally conductive, but not electrically conductive, but should not be considered an insulator." Close, but no cigar! All Electronics lists a conductive glue. But from what I can discern, it is designed to make a solder-like connection on circuit boards and cannot be built-up and shaped like an epoxy. Funny you would mention the iron filing additive idea, Justin. i was thinking of trying that myself. I have no idea how that would affect the bonding quality. I would guess one would have to experiment to find the right ratio of filings-to-epoxy. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51486	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR

I have one and it is not a blue/blue, but a gray/ blue.  It is not rare but I would say less common.  I have also seen the 645 work caboose with the same gray/blue coloration.    Al Paolozzi --- On Fri, 12/19/08, The LANIERs <hblanier@...> wrote: From: The LANIERs <hblanier@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 7:27 AM Never seen nor seen any reference to a blue 644. If you have one, perhaps its a discolored black or repaint. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@aol. com To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR Is blue a rare or uncommon color for a 644? Mike Who Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 ************ **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51487	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: AF Crossover stalling problem

- GreetingS - Probably I am not the only one who has tried to connect two terminals 5' apart with a piece of wire 4'10" long. And could not find the wire stretcher! Atlantics and 0-8-0 switchers seem to need the benefit of a tender truck sideframe stretcher to get across a 90 degree crossing. I haven't understood why Pacifics seem to accomplish this feat with less difficulty. One solution, after assuring that the electrical connections are solid, is to overlay the top and inside of the short rail sections within the diamond with very thin brass (door weather stripping, if not something thinner). Connect each piece with the rail with which it aligns. Do not let these overlays extend to the ends of these sections. That offers the opportunity for intermittent connection to metal wheels as they pass on the other line thru the diamond. This mod gives short wheelbase trucks a better chance to make electrical contact with something appropriate. Heard at the loco's dining table, "Please pass the amps." CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51488	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Turntable Wiring

I put a switch reversing the polarity on the turntable bridge wiring, then mark the ends of the bridge with a red dot and a matching red dot on the correct matching track and a green dot on the opposite end of the bridge and a green dot on the matching track then, a red dot & green dot on reversing switch in the correct polarity position. works good for me. Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2jutqawFVPpWpDXJ9S0uBj9g2wRpvU8PZkgAktXcTXon4L5/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51489	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Repaint for 1950's Plastic

- GreetingS - Some years back the bedraggled silver bullet begged for a repaint. I used "Nybco" chrome finish paint sold for auto bumpers. It did first class job for satin silver on the plastic (bakelite ?) boiler and still looks good. The metal tender almost need another repaint. Perhaps the first repaint was a little thin. It matches the satin finish streamline cars nicely. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51490	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR

Like most things, it's pictured on TheGilbertGallery.org, for those of you who have never seen one:         http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/crane_cars.html   Al: Does yours have knuckle or link couplers?  Gilbert made this car in blue/gray only in the transition year of 1953.  The knuckle cars should have been numbered 944, but they all seem to have come out as 644s.  Anything numbered 6xx should have had link couplers, and some transition year cars were produced both ways, but I can't find anyone who has ever seen a blue/gray 644 with link couplers.  If yours has them, consider it rare and please email me a picture for my website.  Thanks. --- On Fri, 12/19/08, albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> wrote: From: albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 10:22 AM I have one and it is not a blue/blue, but a gray/ blue.  It is not rare but I would say less common.  I have also seen the 645 work caboose with the same gray/blue coloration.    Al Paolozzi --- On Fri, 12/19/08, The LANIERs <hblanier@embarqmail .com> wrote: From: The LANIERs <hblanier@embarqmail .com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 7:27 AM Never seen nor seen any reference to a blue 644. If you have one, perhaps its a discolored black or repaint. paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@aol. com To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR Is blue a rare or uncommon color for a 644? Mike Who Michael Strickland Anormal1 Smoke Fluid 211 Summit Ave Medford, Or 97501 ************ **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51491	From: John	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Conductive Epoxy update

Go to MCM electronics they have both conductive ink and epoxy and it is around $15 to $25 John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ensign" <jimensign50@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Conductive Epoxy update > Not a lot of luck in finding an electrically conductive epoxy for the > average hobbyist. > > They do exist, but as stated by several forum members, you must buy in > bulk and it's not > inexpensive (at least by my meager standards.) The only pricing I could > find was from > Mouser Electronics for a 3M product. It was $123 for two mix-together > cans of 3 lbs. and > 5 lbs. They looked like quart cans, but it was hard to tell from the > picture. > > The LabMetals product looked promising. It is an aluminum-based material > that joins > about everything and can be shaped, etc. However, a close reading of the > website info > says it is "thermally conductive, but not electrically conductive, but > should not be > considered an insulator." Close, but no cigar! > > All Electronics lists a conductive glue. But from what I can discern, it > is designed to make > a solder-like connection on circuit boards and cannot be built-up and > shaped like an > epoxy. > > Funny you would mention the iron filing additive idea, Justin. i was > thinking of trying that > myself. I have no idea how that would affect the bonding quality. I > would guess one > would have to experiment to find the right ratio of filings-to-epoxy. > Jim E. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51492	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: jmellon

jmellon <jmellon@...> Please contact me off list. Your USDA email address does not like my Google address. -- Paul Yorke Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. Sir Winston Churchill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51493	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Conductive Epoxy update

Thanks John - you've come the closest to suggesting a low-cost solution! John' right - MCM (mcmelectronics.com) has small syringe-type containers of conductive epoxy listed at $44.00. Seems high, but if one uses it sparingly and careful to re-seal the tips, this would be in the range for many hobbyists. Still probably above my price point, though. Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "John" <beebear@...> > Go to MCM electronics they have both conductive ink and epoxy and it is > around $15 to $25 > > John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51494	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Conductive Epoxy update

Thanks John - you've come the closest to suggesting a low-cost solution! John' right - MCM (mcmelectronics.com) has small syringe-type containers of conductive epoxy listed at $44.00. Seems high, but if one uses it sparingly and careful to re-seal the tips, this would be in the range for many hobbyists. Still probably above my price point, though. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51495	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: AF Crossover stalling problem

Seems like I reard that Gilbert had plans to do this, but cancelled it due to the extra expense. --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Rhett George <rtg@...> wrote: From: Rhett George <rtg@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF Crossover stalling problem To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 12:06 PM - GreetingS - Probably I am not the only one who has tried to connect two terminals 5' apart with a piece of wire 4'10" long. And could not find the wire stretcher! Atlantics and 0-8-0 switchers seem to need the benefit of a tender truck sideframe stretcher to get across a 90 degree crossing. I haven't understood why Pacifics seem to accomplish this feat with less difficulty. One solution, after assuring that the electrical connections are solid, is to overlay the top and inside of the short rail sections within the diamond with very thin brass (door weather stripping, if not something thinner). Connect each piece with the rail with which it aligns. Do not let these overlays extend to the ends of these sections. That offers the opportunity for intermittent connection to metal wheels as they pass on the other line thru the diamond. This mod gives short wheelbase trucks a better chance to make electrical contact with something appropriate. Heard at the loco's dining table, "Please pass the amps." CheerS, Rhett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51496	From: gettysburg9	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: AF Crossover Stall Problem:

I have tried Stumpy's advice and am happy with the results. I no longer have to be at the throttle and race to increase the speed before the engine gets to the crossover. I just entended the length of the tenders..................That is: Took one of the 630 caboose frames I had acquired along the way, 22 gauge wire, and a micro plug from the local RC hobby shop. I soldered one set of the wire ends to the top of the tender rivets and the caboose rivets respectively. The other ends of each went to the micro plug (male and female). The caboose trucks extend the length of the electrical pickup. No interruption in current flow. Just pay attention to hooking the polarity correctly as the plugs are reversable. Now all I have to do is to work up some type of load for the frame to disguise it. Saves tearing modifying one of my other cars. Amazing how much better it looks with the trains moving s-l-o-w-l-y. Now to figure how to do the diesel units. (not nearly as much of a stall problem, but does occur. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51497	From: Firewood	Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!

Ya got a point there, Stumpy. The resourcefulness of model railroaders in past hard times is well documented. Some of the things the Brits pulled off in the years after WW2, when rationing and material shortages were still a reality, are amazing. Would anyone be tempted to make locomotive drivers rolled from HO rail and filed to shape? Gaaah! It has been done. Should we re-visit those techniques used by early N-scalers when building their own motors from scratch? Maybe not yet........... Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51498	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: AF Crossover Stall Problem:

Paul, Stumpy did a great job of summarizing the crossover problem and also offering a good solution. Another way to attack this issue is to replace the AF tender wheels and trucks with S-Helper Wheels and trucks. With their all wheel pick up system you always have both poles of the current on each side of the crossover center. I approached this problem with probably the most extreme solution. I stuffed 7 2200 micro farad bi-polar capacitors into the tender, wired in parallel with each other and the replacement S&S can motor. This not only solved the crossover issue, but also provides a nice slow down when the current is cut to the engine as the capacitors slowly discharge. It's not a perfect solution but it was fun to put together. Photos of this modification can be seen at: http://clients.twildstudio.com/manderman/images/2200uf CAPS.jpg Mark Anderman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51499	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: AF crossover stall problem...car body

Okay, you've made up the trailing car for electrical pick up, but you need a body. Well, a caboose can work, many railroads hauled extra cabooses at the head or tail of freight trains to get them to other terminals. But, how about scratch building a flatcar on that caboose chassis? Short wheelbase flatcars were built for especially heavy loads and were put at the head of the train if possible for better train handling and braking. The easiest way to do this to make a "frame" out of 1/16x 1/4" stripwood to glue to the sides and ends of the caboose floor, and then use the same wood to lay "planks" across the floor. Or you could use scribed balsa sheet with 1/8" scribing. The same materials are availible in plastic if you prefer working with that material. For a "load" you could use the same materials to make a "crate" that "contains heavy machinery." This could be "tied down" with heavy black thread "cable." Detail parts such as brake wheel and stand and stake pockets could be had from Scenery Unlimited. However, in the old days we used file cards to cut out strips and bend them to form the stake pockets and use a piece of coat hanger wire with a button or dress snap on top for a brake wheel and stand. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51500	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: AF Crossover Stall Problem:

I have been following the AF crossover stall thread, and thought I would mention something that I have observed, but has not been mentioned. (maybe because it is a little wacky) as I slightly bend my truck frames (or straighten in the case of front to rear) I have noticed that the Gilbert trucks are not always level when comparing front to rear axle of a given truck or when looking at the truck left to right. This causes only one pickup wheel per each truck to be in contact at any given time. In less severe situations it may make one contact more lightly than the other. You combine this with uneven track railhead height, or the crossover situation where there is a rail contact gap, or both, and you have a recipe for stalling. The position of the brass contact and their spring strength can have an effect as well. The way I reduce the sensitivity, which seems to really help the 080 with its short drawbar, and light tender, especially with the stamped steel truck frames is to do the following: I make sure that when you rock the tender to lift one side's wheels off the track (as straight and level a section as possible) that the front to rear tilt angle of the truck frames results in both pickup wheels of a truck lifting from the track at the same time. You will find that few locos have simultaneous lift if they have been played with much. Now when looking from the rear view I bias the truck tilt left to right so the pickup wheel hangs slightly low. For example if the left front truck has the pickup I will angle the truck so the left side is slightly lower than the right side, I will then make the rear truck be slightly lower on the right (pickup wheel) side. This makes sure the pickup wheels are carrying most of the weight of the tender. So bottom line: hang low on the pickups but make them level wheel to wheel on the same truck. Don't get out of hand with biasing them, it only takes a little to improve the tolerance on bad trackage.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51501	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Everything old is new again...

My posting about building a car body to cover the caboose chassis electrical pick up car got me thinking. (A dangerous event!) ;-) In times past, when for various reasons material or money was short, those that have gone before us in this hobby resorted to all sorts of trickery and skills to get by. Many new skills and more than a few small businesses grew out of this as well. One of the skills was building models from scratch with whatever was availible. Back at the end of World War Two, the model railroading magazines were filled with all sorts of articles about scratch building rolling stock, locomotives, and structures of all kinds. Model Railroader magazine did a very popular "Dollar Car Series" where you could build a whole freight car for a buck! At the time there were almost no detail part manufacturers, no plastic material manufacturers, so you had to work with what you could find around the house. There was a good supply of balsa wood, imported for the model airplane builders as well as spruce strip wood and dowels, so these became key parts of model train construction. Cardstock (often 3x5" file cards) or poster board were used for car sides and building walls. Tin foil, tissue paper, buttons and dress snaps, thread and thimbles, old tin cans, just about everything had a use! As a young fellow, I had seen these magazines and had built some early rolling stiock kits in HO, but I had never tried scratch building. Later on when I got into G scale in it's early years, I was faced with a lack of American prototype rolling stock (LGB was about the only manufacturer at the time) so I decided to give it a try. My first efforts were crude by contest quality standards, but soon I had developed the skills to do okay. My skills got better and better as I did more scratch building and I got to the point that I enjoyed "finding new materials" from every day items! After a while, I discovered that in many cases, building a model from scratch was easier than building most "craftsman" kits! The point of this is simply that there's a chance we're all going to have to do more construction to keep our hobby going at a price we can afford. Building things, whether from kits or scratch, or even "kit-bashing", is an enjoyable addition to the hobby, and a useful skill to learn. At the next train show, check out any old book and magazine dealers to find the old information. You'll be amazed at what those folks did, and get ideas on how to build your own. You don't have to build contest quality, just make something useful for yourself. Stumpy Stone...been there, done that, still doing it...in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51502	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Everything old is new again...

Stumpy,   I remember the Dollar Models. I also remember when the NMRA Bulletin included car sides on cardstock in some of the issues. I have about a dozen of them from the 1970's One was Old Frothingslosh Beer, "The Pale Stale Ale with the Foam on the Bottom".   Today someone would probably complain that a "beer car" was inappropriate for a young modeler's eyes. Something like the Diecast Nascar toys that changed Dale Earnhardt Jr's Bud car into a plain red #8.   Keeping a secret to friends my age is no longer a problem. We all have the same problem remembering what it was,   Regards, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51503	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: AF crossover stall problem...car body

I'm sure that you've fixed the stall on your crossover-there's nothing that this group can't "fix". Here's an Adams Family inspired crossover trick that will make your guests panic: carefully lengthen your consist so the nose of the loco barely misses the tail of the caboose when it transitions thru the return side of its path. I used a figure 8 linked to a pair of switches and used it as a passing siding. Loved the public reaction.-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51504	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Local Library train exhibit

I'm running 2 or more loops of trains at the Goodrich Library in Newport, VT Dec 29&30 as a reflection on an American Christmas tradition and to share the hobby- Goodrich is a first, in the past I've done Westfield Library. The good folks at Goodrich have given me a lot of space. Going for one standard ga., one 0 or S loop. If anyone's relatively local and wants to join the fun, e-mail or phone me. Set up starts on the 27th.-Keep 'em rolling, share the hobby!!-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51505	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: AF Crossover Stall Problem:

OK My two cents... I just saw a program on the UP Big Boy. They had water & extra oil tenders. I know this a modern solution to an issue of using oil instead of wood. My answer to the caboose frame issue is: Is there a tender body that would fit on the caboose frame...& then the pu wires could just run from it to the tender. Mike Who In a message dated 12/20/2008 5:10:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, robbe_wan@... writes: I have been following the AF crossover stall thread, and thought I would mention something that I have observed, but has not been mentioned. (maybe because it is a little wacky) as I slightly bend my truck frames (or straighten in the case of front to rear) I have noticed that the Gilbert trucks are not always level when comparing front to rear axle of a given truck or when looking at the truck left to right. This causes only one pickup wheel per each truck to be in contact at any given time. In less severe situations it may make one contact more lightly than the other. You combine this with uneven track railhead height, or the crossover situation where there is a rail contact gap, or both, and you have a recipe for stalling. The position of the brass contact and their spring strength can have an effect as well. The way I reduce the sensitivity, which seems to really help the 080 with its short drawbar, and light tender, especially with the stamped steel truck frames is to do the following: I make sure that when you rock the tender to lift one side's wheels off the track (as straight and level a section as possible) that the front to rear tilt angle of the truck frames results in both pickup wheels of a truck lifting from the track at the same time. You will find that few locos have simultaneous lift if they have been played with much. Now when looking from the rear view I bias the truck tilt left to right so the pickup wheel hangs slightly low. For example if the left front truck has the pickup I will angle the truck so the left side is slightly lower than the right side, I will then make the rear truck be slightly lower on the right (pickup wheel) side. This makes sure the pickup wheels are carrying most of the weight of the tender. So bottom line: hang low on the pickups but make them level wheel to wheel on the same truck. Don't get out of hand with biasing them, it only takes a little to improve the tolerance on bad trackage. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51506	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: AF crossover stall problem...car body

What you are describing there John, is the 1956 Sears set aptly named the "Hit or Miss". It consisted of a 293 and 13 cars with a figure eight track setup. It was my first (and still have) American Flyer set. Love it.... Steve SnS Trains Boise, In a message dated 12/20/2008 12:11:03 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, druvnik@... writes: I'm sure that you've fixed the stall on your crossover-there'I'm sure that you've fixed the stall on your crossover-there'<WBR>s nothing that this group can't "fix". Here's an Adams Family inspired crossover trick that will make your guests panic: carefully lengthen your consist so the nose of the loco barely misses the tail of the caboose when it transitions thru the return side of its path. I used a figure 8 linked to a pair of switches and used it [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51507	From: G C	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Everything old is new again...

Speaking of beer cars, my favorite name was Phalflatz. Think I spelled it right? Burp! Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51508	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Lubricating a 21085 Steam Loco

I have a 21085 American Flyer steam loco with black trucks. I have decorated it for a young relative as a Christmas present. I did not realize the 21085 does not have the bottom cover that makes it so easy to lubricate the gear. Do I need to remove the shell to be able to lubricate it? Any tips are appreciated. - Earl Henry, Nashville **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51509	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Original Christmas cars

I have created a photo album of the original Christmas cars Nick Colleran and I have been working on for the past couple of years. The photos so far include Santa's Private Car (caboose), snow hopper (3 bay hopper with magic North Pole snow load), Elf Eggnog (tank car), Kringles Kristmas trees (flat car), North Pole express (TOFC), Reindeer stockcar (I know, no reindeer inside, but this was created one year before the other one), and finally 3 shots of a redecorated Atlantic. We also have a redecorated GP7 and PA1 which include Rudolph's head on the front. They were in the North Pole engine shop and I will try to provide photos later. We are currently working on a depressed center flatcar with generator that runs two miniture lighted reindeer lawn ornaments on each end of the car. The lighted reindeer will actually run from track current. I'll also get a photo of that in the album when done. Plus we have plenty of other ideas. The cars were all decorated by me and the mechanical and electrical work all done by Nick. Enjoy. Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51510	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/21/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51511	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR -- Digest Number 4293

If Michael's 644 is metallic blue, then yes, they very much exist. A good friend of mine has one and I've occasionally seen them at shows. All samples that I've had the opportunity to observe had a black cab and boom. These are not common, but hardly "rare". It is listed as 644 variation #6 on page 17 of the 2nd edition of my Flyer guide. As a friendly suggestion for a very affordable stocking stuffer, some here might consider purchasing a copy of the 2nd edition of the TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guide 1946- 2004. It is still available for $5 + S+H from TM Books and Video. Contained therein are the answers to many (if not most) of the AF collector questions that come up on this board. That's why I wrote it! ;-)) (S)eason's best to everyone! Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/20/2008 7:54:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Is blue a rare or uncommon color for a 644? Michael Strickland **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51512	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR -- Digest Number 4293

Was it made with link couplers, or only knuckle? --- On Sat, 12/20/08, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote: From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR -- Digest Number 4293 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:17 PM If Michael's 644 is metallic blue, then yes, they very much exist. A good friend of mine has one and I've occasionally seen them at shows. All samples that I've had the opportunity to observe had a black cab and boom. These are not common, but hardly "rare". It is listed as 644 variation #6 on page 17 of the 2nd edition of my Flyer guide. As a friendly suggestion for a very affordable stocking stuffer, some here might consider purchasing a copy of the 2nd edition of the TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guide 1946- 2004. It is still available for $5 + S+H from TM Books and Video. Contained therein are the answers to many (if not most) of the AF collector questions that come up on this board. That's why I wrote it! ;-)) (S)eason's best to everyone! Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/20/2008 7:54:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com writes: Is blue a rare or uncommon color for a 644? Michael Strickland ************ **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51513	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Lubricating a 21085 Steam Loco

Sounds like this is a late 21085 with a split chassis , it has 1 screw to be taken out & then you remove the bottom of the chassis to expose all axles & the gear , really easy to do . Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51514	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: AF crossover stall problem...car body

Steve, You are lucky to have that set! Ever since I read about it, it has been a favorite of mine. Since you received it new, I hope you saved all the OBs and paperwork. No big deal if you didn't, since we didn't think of saving everything back in the day. I still have my first AF set that I got from my Dad in '53 (I was 2 years old, but my Dad said he bought it for me). A chrome Rocket set, but with a 960, 961, 962, and 963 instead of the standard passenger car configuration offered in 1953. This, along with the fact that I have the original wrappers and boxes for the engines and cars, but not the set box, tells me that he bought them as separate sale items, although he swears he bought them all as a set. Knowing my Dad, he picked the cars he wanted to go with the Rocket A and B units. He also bought my unborn brother a 326 Hudson freight set in the same year along with a 612 Station and in 1960, for some reason, bought a 21158 Dockside Switcher (that fan too damn fast, as I remember). When I got older (7 or 8) we got to play with the trains every Christmas, from about the middle of December until shortly after the new year, at which time the 8 foot by 20 foot layout was covered until the next holiday season. In 1966, the trains were packed away and were replaced by a ping pong table in the basement. I always thought my Dad was the smartest man in the world, because he bought AF (two rail) instead of Lionel. I remember as a kid going up against the kids with the more "popular" Lionel trains. The only thing that shut them up was when I told them to go down to the nearest train station and show me where there were 3 rails instead of two. Memories....... Bruce (TCA 81-16572) ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:AF crossover stall problem...car body What you are describing there John, is the 1956 Sears set aptly named the "Hit or Miss". It consisted of a 293 and 13 cars with a figure eight track setup. It was my first (and still have) American Flyer set. Love it.... Steve SnS Trains Boise, In a message dated 12/20/2008 12:11:03 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, druvnik@... writes: I'm sure that you've fixed the stall on your crossover-there'I'm sure that you've fixed the stall on your crossover-there'<WBR>s nothing that this group can't "fix". Here's an Adams Family inspired crossover trick that will make your guests panic: carefully lengthen your consist so the nose of the loco barely misses the tail of the caboose when it transitions thru the return side of its path. I used a figure 8 linked to a pair of switches and used it [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51515	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!

Stumpy, Reminds me of a time when we went to a local museum in Sandwich, Ma with some friends. Turns out they were having a combined antique car/corvette meet when we there. One of our friends bumped into an old retired electric company friend who had brought his corvette to the show. They commiserated about old times etc. We then saw his car which was a beautiful l968 stingray. Anyway, we continued talking and during the discussion my friend and I brought the cost of his hobby up since he owned three corvettes. His reply was, yes it was expensive but no way as expensive as the money his friends put into their model train collections. At that point, I said nothing more but I still think that the incremental cost of a vett is way more than even buying brass but little things do indeed add up. I guess for the next few years, I'll be making a lot more of the little things rather than buying them. . Regards, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51516	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Original Christmas cars

Way too much fun! Even being a scale guy I can appreciate all this! Merry Christmas! Bill Winans Prescott Valley, AZ ----I have created a photo album of the original Christmas cars Nick Colleran and I have been working on for the past couple of years.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51517	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR -- Digest Number 4293

The metallic blue chassis 644 that I have observed are link. There are also gray chassis 644s factory fitted with knuckle couplers. I own one of those. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/21/2008 10:13:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: Was it made with link couplers, or only knuckle? --- On Sat, 12/20/08, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote: From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 644 BROWNHOIST CRANE CAR -- Digest Number 4293 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:17 PM If Michael's 644 is metallic blue, then yes, they very much exist. A good friend of mine has one and I've occasionally seen them at shows. All samples that I've had the opportunity to observe had a black cab and boom. These are not common, but hardly "rare". It is listed as 644 variation #6 on page 17 of the 2nd edition of my Flyer guide. As a friendly suggestion for a very affordable stocking stuffer, some here might consider purchasing a copy of the 2nd edition of the TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guide 1946- 2004. It is still available for $5 + S+H from TM Books and Video. Contained therein are the answers to many (if not most) of the AF collector questions that come up on this board. That's why I wrote it! ;-)) (S)eason's best to everyone! Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/20/2008 7:54:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) writes: Is blue a rare or uncommon color for a 644? Michael Strickland ************ **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (_http://www.aol com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000025_ (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51518	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!

Joseph Haughney wrote: > > We then saw his car which was a beautiful l968 > stingray. Anyway, we continued talking and during the discussion my friend > and I brought the cost of his hobby up since he owned three corvettes. His > reply was, yes it was expensive but no way as expensive as the money his > friends put into their model train collections. I have a '70 Jaguar e-type (XK-E) roadster that I restored in the '90's so I understand his point. I also have about 20 sets of old AF. I was reading a train mag the other day and saw some ads for $2,500 brass locomotive/tenders. Makes me wonder if train collecting is a rich-mans hobby now and us poor folks that just like to run a train around a loop of track once in a while should just forget about getting anything new? Even the new Lionel stuff is priced too high for all but those with a big chunk of disposable income. I fear that necessities like food and health care are going to be taking precedence over toys and hobbies for a while. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51519	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Lubricating a 21085 Steam Loco

My 21085 has the lower die cast cover that holds the drivers in place and comes out with one screw removed. Rather than remove the shell try removing the lower cover to see what you can reach. I have use LaBelle oil in bottles with a long, thin metal tubing neck that will reach all the bearings, including the plastic driver axles.. Chuck Smith http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/ cesmith@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51521	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: 21085

Earl, Sounds like you have a late production "split chassis" with plastic wheels. There's a silver screw in the middle of the bottom of your engine. Unscrew it, and the bottom half of the chassis will come off, revealing the driver axles and the gear. That should do the trick for you. S' David D. Oroville, CA PS. Have some ribs at Jack's (by the Ryman) for me-- MMMMMM Gooood! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51522	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Original Christmas cars

I can attest to the fact that these cars are First Class Christmas cars. I happen to have been afforded a set of these last year. In addition to the other numerous Christmas cars I have on my Christmas train, these are interspersed in strategic locations, so as to carry the infamous "envelopes with the children's and grandchildren's names on them. These two gentlemen are great friends to have because they are selfless when it comes to help on the railroads, or cars. I will load a few photos of the cars on my layout and the themed Christmas tree that the Crewe Railroad Museum volunteers so graciously allowed me to copy for my Christmas Tree. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51523	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Auxiliary Water Tenders

In addition to the UP currently using an auxiliary water tender on their steam excursion train, (picture in my photo folder acgilbertguy), the L&N in the late 40's used them on their steam passenger train called the Florida Arrow. I have also posted a couple of pictures of an auxiliary water tender I made out of a junk Royal Blue tender. I can't decide what lettering to put on the sides. "American Flyer Lines" or maybe "Auxiliary Water Tender". Any suggestions? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > OK My two cents... I just saw a program on the UP Big Boy. They had water & > extra oil tenders. I know this a modern solution to an issue of using oil > instead of wood. > My answer to the caboose frame issue is: Is there a tender body that would > fit on the caboose frame...& then the pu wires could just run from it to the > tender. > Mike Who > > > In a message dated 12/20/2008 5:10:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > robbe_wan@... writes: > > > > > I have been following the AF crossover stall thread, and thought I > would mention something that I have observed, but has not been > mentioned. (maybe because it is a little wacky) as I slightly bend my > truck frames (or straighten in the case of front to rear) > > I have noticed that the Gilbert trucks are not always level when > comparing front to rear axle of a given truck or when looking at the > truck left to right. This causes only one pickup wheel per each truck > to be in contact at any given time. In less severe situations it may > make one contact more lightly than the other. You combine this with > uneven track railhead height, or the crossover situation where there > is a rail contact gap, or both, and you have a recipe for stalling. > The position of the brass contact and their spring strength can have > an effect as well. > > The way I reduce the sensitivity, which seems to really help the 080 > with its short drawbar, and light tender, especially with the stamped > steel truck frames is to do the following: > > I make sure that when you rock the tender to lift one side's wheels > off the track (as straight and level a section as possible) that the > front to rear tilt angle of the truck frames results in both pickup > wheels of a truck lifting from the track at the same time. You will > find that few locos have simultaneous lift if they have been played > with much. > > Now when looking from the rear view I bias the truck tilt left to > right so the pickup wheel hangs slightly low. For example if the left > front truck has the pickup I will angle the truck so the left side is > slightly lower than the right side, I will then make the rear truck > be slightly lower on the right (pickup wheel) side. This makes sure > the pickup wheels are carrying most of the weight of the tender. > > So bottom line: hang low on the pickups but make them level wheel to > wheel on the same truck. Don't get out of hand with biasing them, it > only takes a little to improve the tolerance on bad trackage. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51524	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Hobby Costs (was Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!)

Hi George,   You said, ====== "I was reading a train mag the other day and saw some ads for $2,500 brass locomotive/tenders.  Makes me wonder if train collecting is a rich-mans hobby now and us poor folks that just like to run a train around a loop of track once in a while should just forget about getting anything new?" =======   That is the reality of model manufacturing. Price it high so it will become an "investment" . Make it a "collectible" instead of just a toy train. I can remember the ads for a HO Scale BRASS New York Central Hudson for $49.95 in the 1970's. I was also working for $2.50 an hour so that $50.00 was half a week's pay. I looked at what I could afford, not what I wanted and I was able to enjoy the hobby without spending my paycheck on trains.   Unless you "must" have that $2500.00 locomotive, no one is forcing you to buy it. Look at the ads on other pages. There are still locos out there for $25.00 and cars available at train meets for $.50 that can be used on a layout. Pay $2500.00 for a loco, perhaps. Pay that much and never use it, not something I would do. For that amount of money, it better come with scale-size people and make real steam. I like to play with my trains, not make jewelry out of them    My opinion only. Folks that use this hobby as a financial vehicle are the source of a lot of high prices and are responsible for manufacturers jacking up the prices on products. Think back to the 1970's. The oil producing nations found out that by "creating" an oil shortage, they could control the prices. Gas immediately became available after prices started going up.   Less than 20 years ago, Rivarossi made beautiful plastic HO scale locomotives that could be purchased for less than $30.00. There is no way the identical locomotive I purchased is worth $200.00 unless it was greatly improved. I have seen the new locos. The molds are identical with a few minor improvements in the drive wheels to bring them into NMRA standards. The only reason except increased manufacturing costs, is the fact that there are people willing to pay that price for them. If people made the decision to stop paying that price for them, the company would soon find ways to reduce the price or go out of business.   In short. the hobby is definitely not for rich folks. It is for forks that want to enjoy a hobby. Keeping expenses managable is the way it works.   My toy trains will not be mint condition when I leave this planet. They will be used hard and enjoyed for what they were, toy trains. If someone else finds value in that, they will be welcome to them for I will no longer need them. I am spending my daughter's inheritence. I figure I worked all of my ife for it. She should enjoy the same experience of earning it as well. <grin>   Merry Christmas,   Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51525	From: William Porter	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Australia

Hi Folks, I saw an article in the paper today about iron ore mining. It showed a picture of a long train of ore cars in Australia. It only showed the tops of the cars. Does anyone on the list have knowledge of these cars? Are they the same size as the ones around Lake Superior? Are there models or photos available that show them? Happy Hanukah - First Night is tonight, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51526	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Auxiliary Water Tenders

Up here (Oregon) in fire season they haul 2-3 tankers with water in them to spray water to keep wheel sparks from causing a fire. Mike Who In a message dated 12/21/2008 10:48:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, milepost407@... writes: In addition to the UP currently using an auxiliary water tender on their steam excursion train, (picture in my photo folder acgilbertguy)acgilbe&N in the late 40's used them on their steam passenger train called the Florida Arrow. I have also posted a couple of pictures of an auxiliary water tender I made out of a junk Royal Blue tender. I can't decide what lettering to put on the sides. "American Flyer Lines" or maybe "Auxiliary Water Tender". Any suggestions?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51527	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Turntable Wiring

You could mount that same switch on one end of the bridge, and trigger it by a cam. That way when the bridge is swung 180 the switch is activated, when it is not there is no activation as the switch is on the opposite side. This could also be a reed switch on one end triggering a dpdt realay to provide passive polarity reversal. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > I put a switch reversing the polarity on the turntable bridge wiring, > then mark the ends of the bridge with a red dot and a matching red dot on > the correct matching track and a green dot on the opposite end of the > bridge and a green dot on the matching track then, a red dot & green dot > on reversing switch in the correct polarity position. works good for me. > Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51528	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!

Hi Joe -- I had a friend who put $700 into his Porsche 914 back when they were new. I was about to make some wise remark about wasted money when I thought about the latest piece of brass that I had acquired... At least his money spent got him to town! I had a '63 Corvette, then a '69 monster Corvette. My trains cost more than the '63, but WAY less then the '69 which was a money pit for everyone associated with it. GM lost their butts on it with warantee services, the insurance company lost their butts on it due to hit and run drivers, and I lost my butt on it in two major engine rebuilds plus a major suspension overhaul within 95000 miles. I sold it in '86 for double what I paid new for it even with a dead engine (for the 3rd time!). It had vanity plates -- BLK LMN -- as it was a black lemon. Not so fond memories, but Merry Christmas! Bill Winans ---during the discussion my friend and I brought the cost of his hobby up since he owned three corvettes. His reply was, yes it was expensive but no way as expensive as the money his friends put into their model train collections. Regards, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51529	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...continued...

George et al., The nice thing about our hobby, is that you can make of it whatever you want. Some may want to concentrate on collecting, and others on simple running, or a combination of both. There's a lot of room in between for all of us. I still get a new piece of Flyonel or AM once in a great while, but have severely restricted those kind of purchases, if not stopped them alltogether. I agree that spending $2.5k on a brass loco is not something I would do very often, if at all! Hey, my '37 Ford didn't cost that much when I got it. But now after a lot of "sweat equity" it's worth much more and gets me around, but is relegated to nice weather status (although I have put nearly 60K miles on it). Maybe that's why I always look under tables at trains meets to find my "treasures". But don't let the word get out on that. Or I'll have to fight off Stumpy, Wayne and others for those "goodies"! <G> The definition of a toy is pretty broad. But IMHO, those beautiful brass model trains are toys, as well as my '37 Ford. We don't NEED them, but everyone makes his own decision. If you can afford those nice brass pieces (or that car at a BJ auction), more power to you. If someone complains about the price he's paid for a train or car, I just want to ask him why did he buy it? I appreciate it all, and envy nobody. I tend to agree with what Nick K. said. Keep it manageable. But the bottom line is that you make of the hobby what you can, or want. You can't take it with you.... I seem to have heard that somewhere.... Right now, I'm scratch building, bashing, restoring and painting... and loving every minute of it. "If it ceases to be fun, I'm outta here" BTW, happy solstice. From here on, we get more daylight! Jerry P 7° and blowing in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > Joseph Haughney wrote: > > > > I was reading a train mag the other day and saw some ads for $2,500 > brass locomotive/tenders. Makes me wonder if train collecting is a > rich-mans hobby? Even the new Lionel stuff is priced too high for all but > those with a big chunk of disposable income. > > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51530	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!

Scale S Only wrote: > Hi Joe -- > > I had a friend who put $700 into his Porsche 914 back when they were new. > I was about to make some wise remark about wasted money when I thought > about the latest piece of brass that I had acquired... At least his money spent > got him to town! That's how I feel about my '70 e-type. I put maybe $25K into it in the '90's including the initial purchase cost of $14K. In the meantime I have gotten a million dollars worth of smiles out of it by driving it rather than making it a trophy to only show. My trains are the same way. I have a Missouri Pacific set which is probably worth more than all of the rest of them put together but it gets to run around the track along with the cheapest of them. My point was at times like this when people are cutting back and making do with what they have, I just find it incongruous that there is still a market for ultra-expensive models. But I guess if you can afford to buy them to put away in a glass case and never play with them, then it makes sense in an odd way. Personally I was never into collecting trophies. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51531	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Australia

Hi Bill. Google Hammersley Iron and browse. There would be HO cars available in Australia but of course probably no O gauge/scale stuff. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Porter Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:47 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Australia Hi Folks, I saw an article in the paper today about iron ore mining. It showed a picture of a long train of ore cars in Australia. It only showed the tops of the cars. Does anyone on the list have knowledge of these cars? Are they the same size as the ones around Lake Superior? Are there models or photos available that show them? Happy Hanukah - First Night is tonight, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51532	From: G C	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Auxiliary Water Tenders

One of the best examples of an auxiliary water car is one used by the N&W. Lots of pictures of it on the net. The C&O 614 has one as well. Since your standard tender has American Flyer markings, I would do the same with the water car. That would keep things consistent. You did a nice kit bash on the car. If I may be so bold, you might think about adding a simple hand rail along the top of the car. I think it would spiff it up a bit (make it stand out a bit more, adding contrast between tenders. Another suggestion (yes, I'm just full of it today L.O.L.), why not get some small HO sized letters that spell out water car. Its just that the car looks so great, that I think a few details would add tremendously. Yes these are toy trains, but you went to a lot of great effort on this, and I think the additional details would make it even better. Happy Holidays, Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51533	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/21/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51534	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!

Scale S Only wrote: > I had a '63 Corvette, then a '69 monster Corvette. My trains cost more > than the '63, but WAY less then the '69 which was a money pit for everyone > associated with it. Wow, the 63 is untouchable today, funny how things go. I had a 69, never had an issue with it, except for a leak that I only learned how to fix after it was gone. > GM lost their butts on it with warantee services, the > insurance company lost their butts on it due to hit and run drivers, and I > lost my butt on it in two major engine rebuilds plus a major suspension > overhaul within 95000 miles. Wow again! I do remember now having to redo the rear wheel bearings, but that was it. The engine was basic small block, I'm guessing you had the big block, but I've not heard there were many problems with those either. > I sold it in '86 for double what I paid new > for it even with a dead engine (for the 3rd time!). It had vanity > plates -- BLK LMN -- as it was a black lemon. Hard to understand, I've had 3 corvettes, all small blocks, but all engines just kept running fine. Merry Christmas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51535	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: New videos on YouTube

I have posted some new videos on YouTube. The first features a small Christmas layout I had at my community Christmas Party last night. It features a 3' x 5' "snow covered" layout with SHS flex track, Flyonel Christmas trains and accessories, one modified ACG whistle, and custom decorated Plasticville and Marx buildings, plus lots of other little scenes including a parade with cast metal band and Santa in the back of the fire truck. Forgive the footage of the floor at the end, I was just learning how to use the camera. The web address is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9IoXIPUcSg The next two vidoes are on my home layout. The first is a Virginian slow freight pulled by two H-16-44s. The engines are kitbashed from two PHM trainmaster shells and American Models power chassis. Many of the cars are custom decorated with my own decals - see if you can guess which ones. The web address for that is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zghhELrPOuw The last train is a Southern reefer unit train on the upper level pulled by an AB pair of Southern F3s by SHS. There is quite a mixture of reefer models. The last half of the train is all Fruit Growers Express (FGE) about half of which were custom decorated using Cloverhouse dry transfers. That web address is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpcXSMjaLrg Over the next few weeks to months, I will be adding more video of my other favorite freight and passenger trains. Enjoy, and have a very Merry Christmas. Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51536	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Repainted 336

Gentlemen: How do you prep a die-cast K336 for priming and painting? The story ------------- I received a beautifully painted Union Pacific 336 4-8-4 in 1972. It was a repaint and was lettered Union Pacific. I purchased it when I was 12. I ran my trains. Hard. (I still run them but I am gentler.) It made trips to the floor, spectacular wrecks, cooked (and replaced) armature, double heading with a K-5 hulk; it has been through the mill. Alas, when the die-case locomotive was repainted, no primer was used. Just a coat of black. Needless to say, this paint has seen better days. Big chips have flaked off. I know I can not horrify the collectors by repainting it as it has been repainted once. It will receive a dip-black paint job with red windows. Minimal lettering, numbered 261, with Milwaukee Road shields on the tender. I will not be doing a physical make-over, just a paint-over, S-n-S can motor, and DCC. It will pull my under-construction water tender build from two plastic repo Northern tender frames and two plastic repo Northern tender tanks. This tank also gets a dip-black paint scheme and shields. This is how 261 and water tender 250002 were painted when they visited Milwaukee this summer. (Prototype water tender number 250002 holds 25000 gallons. Gee. Should I wonder how they got that number?) So how do I prep this war veteran for the paint shop? (Please keep in mind that I do not have access to a sand blaster. Due to child care issues I can model railroad in 15 minute blocks but 30 un-interrupted minutes is often impossible. This normally forces me to ignore the airbrush and use brushes.) Happy Winter Solstice Holiday! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51537	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Re: Repainted 336

I first glass bead the loco, then two coats of car primer, then two coats of flat black, then two coats of semi-gloss black and then two coats of clear Satin over the top to knock down the shine and seal any and all lettering. Steve, SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 12/22/2008 12:24:17 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, thorin.marty@... writes: Gentlemen: How do you prep a die-cast K336 for priming and painting? The story ------------- I received a beautifully painted Union Pacific 336 4-8-4 in 1972. It was a repaint and was lettered Union Pacific. I purchased it when I was 12. I ran my trains. Hard. (I still run them but I am gentler.) It made trips to the floor, spectacular wrecks, cooked (and replaced) armature, double heading with a K-5 hulk; it has been through the mill. Alas, when the die-case locomotive was repainted, no primer was used. Just a coat of black. Needless to say, this paint has seen better days. Big chips have flaked off. I know I can not horrify the collectors by repainting it as it has been repainted once. It will receive a dip-black paint job with red windows. Minimal lettering, numbered 261, with Milwaukee Road shields on the tender. I will not be doing a physical make-over, just a paint-over, S-n-S can motor, and DCC. It will pull my under-construction water tender build from two plastic repo Northern tender frames and two plastic repo Northern tender tanks. This tank also gets a dip-black paint scheme and shields. This is how 261 and water tender 250002 were painted when they visited Milwaukee this summer. (Prototype water tender number 250002 holds 25000 gallons. Gee. Should I wonder how they got that number?) So how do I prep this war veteran for the paint shop? (Please keep in mind that I do not have access to a sand blaster. Due to child care issues I can model railroad in 15 minute blocks but 30 un-interrupted minutes is often impossible. This normally forces me to ignore the airbrush and use brushes.) Happy Winter Solstice Holiday! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51538	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Re: Repainted 336

I have used Super Clean as a stripper for some time. Available at big box and auto stores, you just use a plastic tub to soak the unit and an old toothbrush to remove paint from stubborn spots. Super Clean also works well on plastic but must be watched so as not to cause crazing. Pine-Sol is another good stripper for die cast locos.. Regardless of stripper used wash the units thoroughly with warm water and a mild detergent before priming. I prefer to use Plastikote sandable automotive primer for all my Flyer repaint projects. It covers well, dries smooth and will protect even plastic from " hotter" paints. Good luck. --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Marty.Thorin <thorin.marty@...> wrote: From: Marty.Thorin <thorin.marty@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Repainted 336 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 1:46 PM Gentlemen: How do you prep a die-cast K336 for priming and painting? The story ------------ - I received a beautifully painted Union Pacific 336 4-8-4 in 1972. It was a repaint and was lettered Union Pacific. I purchased it when I was 12. I ran my trains. Hard. (I still run them but I am gentler.) It made trips to the floor, spectacular wrecks, cooked (and replaced) armature, double heading with a K-5 hulk; it has been through the mill. Alas, when the die-case locomotive was repainted, no primer was used. Just a coat of black. Needless to say, this paint has seen better days. Big chips have flaked off. I know I can not horrify the collectors by repainting it as it has been repainted once. It will receive a dip-black paint job with red windows. Minimal lettering, numbered 261, with Milwaukee Road shields on the tender. I will not be doing a physical make-over, just a paint-over, S-n-S can motor, and DCC. It will pull my under-construction water tender build from two plastic repo Northern tender frames and two plastic repo Northern tender tanks. This tank also gets a dip-black paint scheme and shields. This is how 261 and water tender 250002 were painted when they visited Milwaukee this summer. (Prototype water tender number 250002 holds 25000 gallons. Gee. Should I wonder how they got that number?) So how do I prep this war veteran for the paint shop? (Please keep in mind that I do not have access to a sand blaster. Due to child care issues I can model railroad in 15 minute blocks but 30 un-interrupted minutes is often impossible. This normally forces me to ignore the airbrush and use brushes.) Happy Winter Solstice Holiday! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51539	From: Firewood	Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Re: Hobby Costs (was Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!)

Well, come to think of it, reasonable hobby expense is how I found my way into American Flyer. I saw a CTT article, not that long ago, with a pic of an AF Hudson. I started looking and now have a small fleet of restorable Flyer locos which will probably end up modified, using all those wonderful ideas on Carl Tuveson's great website. Rolling stock to follow. Compare to other scales and styles; can anyone find decent scale- proportioned locomotives for the price of a decent Flyer fixer-upper, spider eggs and all? I like the heft and size, the tinkering and the non-fragility of the pieces. I admire the ingenuity of all you Flyer-bashers out there, and I definitely have ideas for a beast or two myself. (Maybe a 2-10-0?) Frankly I don't have a lot of hobby time, so slowly building a working collection is the present occupation. Next step will be a module or two. I suppose we would all go nuts with a shopping spree at a giant model railroad store, but I'm enjoying myself. Hmmm....just noticed an old Karl Bub tin freight station up on the shelf looks suspiciously close to S scale......... Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51540	From: gettysburg9	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?

Yesterday a very interesting item went off on E-bay. It was an AF 930 caboose which smoked out the smoke stake. Does anyone know what type of smoke unit would fit inside a caboose chassis and shell? I have all of the pictures of it. The underside still had the light assembly inserted (which was functional as well). Fascinated by this and would like to attempt it myself. Thanks. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51541	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: WGH in Oaks, PA Jan 3 & 4, 2009

Dear Bill, We will be exhibiting at the World's Greatest Hobby Show in Oaks, PA on the 3rd and 4th of January (10 days, Yikes!!!). We have been told that three S gauge layouts will also be at the show (South Jersey and North Penn are two of the S gauge groups). Other S gauge vendors include Hoquat Hobbies, Gary and Laura Clark, PA Heritage, Lionel (maybe they will bring some new AF to display) and the NASG. We hope to see some of our S friends there. Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:35 PM, william cole wrote: > ...hopefully there will be a big showing at the WGH show in Oaks, PA > > Bc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51542	From: piccu56	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?

That hideous thing was created using a Seuth smoke unit. They are available on line or via many well stocked train shops. I cannot believe they bid that up to $122, what are they thinking??? Its not even a nice or neat job. That's not the way you want to go. The correct way is to make or buy a metal caboose smoke stack with a hole in the piping so smoke can get out from below. Purchase a MTH or Lionel fan driven smoke unit and rig a cap for it from brass so you can connect a small short piece of tubing between it and the stack piece. This must be relatively straight because your going to need an old needle oiler filled with smoke fluid to refill the unit via the chimney. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote: > > Yesterday a very interesting item went off on E-bay. It was an AF 930 > caboose which smoked out the smoke stake. Does anyone know what type > of smoke unit would fit inside a caboose chassis and shell? I have all > of the pictures of it. The underside still had the light assembly > inserted (which was functional as well). Fascinated by this and would > like to attempt it myself. Thanks. > > Paul >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51543	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?

Hi Paul, can you send a link to the Ebay item 930 smoking caboose? I would like to see it for my self. I had talked about doing this some time back in the group, and now a few of them have poped up on Ebay. I have some ideas on how to do it. You can also go back to read some of the writen group log for your self on this. Clayton Milwaukie OR. --- On Tue, 12/23/08, gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> wrote: > From: gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:43 AM > Yesterday a very interesting item went off on E-bay. It was > an AF 930 > caboose which smoked out the smoke stake. Does anyone know > what type > of smoke unit would fit inside a caboose chassis and shell? > I have all > of the pictures of it. The underside still had the light > assembly > inserted (which was functional as well). Fascinated by > this and would > like to attempt it myself. Thanks. > > Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51544	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: SnS vs Timko and an RS-3 question.

- GreetingS - A queestion or two, please, in this beautiful season. While I have a 336 apart to rewind armature and field, the opportunity to try a Timko motor was at hand. With a little coaxing it fit. The mechanism seemed to bind. Loosen the screws, rotate the flywheel, and try again. This time less binding. It appears that the outside of the worm is too broad to fit in the wormwheel on the driver axle. After runninhg it for 30 seconds or so in the cradle, I meassured the motor current as 1 A at 9 V. Very slightly more at 12 V. When stopped, the flywheel was still reluctant to spin, certainly not freely. Pushing the rear driver set back and forth showed a few thousandths end play on the motor shaft with no binding. It was replaced with a SnS motor (yep, smaller) which ran in a manner that seemed freer. It drew 0.3 A on 13 V. A visual comparison of the worm cut into the motor shaft on the original motor, the Timko, and the SnS gave me the impression that the outside of the Timko worm was too broad. Marks on the driving axle wormwheel made me think that the worm was reshaping the wormwheel. Please, may I have comments or related comments from you masters of motor matter. I do not want to reshape that worm while overlooking something which should have been obvious. Another puzzle in my motive power lineup is and American Models RS-3. [I think it is a -3.] It was acquired used. I ran it spasmodically for a total of perhaps an hour, short hood forward, when the mechanism locked up. Reversing direction and giving it a gentle jiggle and a wiggle and it started running long hood forward. This direction has yet to cause any problem, even pullng a train. Am explanation from a casual observation is that it was run mostly short hood forward by the previous owner until the truck gears were close to binding. I ran it a bit more and caused them to bind. The little nylon spur gears run in cages rather than on spindles (a better way to locate the axis of the gear). The repair seems to be to center-drill these idler gears for spindles, then drill the housing halves as bearings for the spindles. Has anyone had similar experiences and found a satisfactory solution? Now, not a question. Just a wish that each and everyone of you will have a merry and meaningful Christmas (of similar celebration), a fine New Year's Eve and Day, and a great deal of enjoyment with your S-gauge trains. CheerS. Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51545	From: Les Mavor	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Asking for photos....

PHOTO OP Hi Group; We are in preliminary stages of preparing our new 2009 catalogues, and need suitable cover photos. We are looking for high-resolution, well executed layout photos showing our kits in action on the proper scale for each catalogue (S-O-G, HO, N- Z), and will pay for the cover photo: 1st choice US$50 or $100 credit towards SceniKing backdrop kits; 2nd choice US$25 or $50 credit towards our kits. Any or all photos may be used elsewhere in our catalogues or on our web site, with appropriate photo credit. Photos are needed by January 15, 2009. Any modelers with questions please contact me off line. Les Mavor www.sceniking.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51546	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: SnS vs Timko

When using the timko motor you should remove the bushing from the chassis , as in you don't need it anymore . Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51547	From: jim_marski	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Disassembly of AF 769 tower

Anyone know what type of cement was used to assemble the AF/Colber 769 plastic towers and whether it is possible to disassemble one without breaking it? Thanks, Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51548	From: gettysburg9	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: AF Remote Turnout Question:

I have several of my remote turnouts which seem to take forever to switch from open to close or vice versa. I have fooled around lubricating the sliding parts, etc. I removed the spring and pointed stop/lock. The turnout responds quickly and seems to lock fully into position. I would not think the problem was in the controller, as I am using DPDT (on)off(on) toggles from the panel. Most of the 14 turnouts work well. It is just a few which are lazy. Question is: Will leaving out the stop/lock hinder the performance of the turnout? I assume over the years that the selinoid has become weak from usage and age. Just don't want to reassemble everything and then find out it was a no-no. Thanks. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51549	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Auxiliary Water Tenders

How about American Flyer water tender? --- On Sun, 12/21/08, acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> wrote: From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Auxiliary Water Tenders To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 12:16 PM In addition to the UP currently using an auxiliary water tender on their steam excursion train, (picture in my photo folder acgilbertguy) , the L&N in the late 40's used them on their steam passenger train called the Florida Arrow. I have also posted a couple of pictures of an auxiliary water tender I made out of a junk Royal Blue tender. I can't decide what lettering to put on the sides. "American Flyer Lines" or maybe "Auxiliary Water Tender". Any suggestions? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > OK My two cents... I just saw a program on the UP Big Boy. They had water & > extra oil tenders. I know this a modern solution to an issue of using oil > instead of wood. > My answer to the caboose frame issue is: Is there a tender body that would > fit on the caboose frame...& then the pu wires could just run from it to the > tender. > Mike Who > > > In a message dated 12/20/2008 5:10:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > robbe_wan@.. . writes: > > > > > I have been following the AF crossover stall thread, and thought I > would mention something that I have observed, but has not been > mentioned. (maybe because it is a little wacky) as I slightly bend my > truck frames (or straighten in the case of front to rear) > > I have noticed that the Gilbert trucks are not always level when > comparing front to rear axle of a given truck or when looking at the > truck left to right. This causes only one pickup wheel per each truck > to be in contact at any given time. In less severe situations it may > make one contact more lightly than the other. You combine this with > uneven track railhead height, or the crossover situation where there > is a rail contact gap, or both, and you have a recipe for stalling. > The position of the brass contact and their spring strength can have > an effect as well. > > The way I reduce the sensitivity, which seems to really help the 080 > with its short drawbar, and light tender, especially with the stamped > steel truck frames is to do the following: > > I make sure that when you rock the tender to lift one side's wheels > off the track (as straight and level a section as possible) that the > front to rear tilt angle of the truck frames results in both pickup > wheels of a truck lifting from the track at the same time. You will > find that few locos have simultaneous lift if they have been played > with much. > > Now when looking from the rear view I bias the truck tilt left to > right so the pickup wheel hangs slightly low. For example if the left > front truck has the pickup I will angle the truck so the left side is > slightly lower than the right side, I will then make the rear truck > be slightly lower on the right (pickup wheel) side. This makes sure > the pickup wheels are carrying most of the weight of the tender. > > So bottom line: hang low on the pickups but make them level wheel to > wheel on the same truck. Don't get out of hand with biasing them, it > only takes a little to improve the tolerance on bad trackage. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51550	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Hobby Costs (was Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!)

DO NOT  know what it is about brass, but it does not have any color to it.   not even a black engine.  but some people have bucks. to spend on trains.   All my bucks were good venison. --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Hobby Costs (was Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 1:08 PM Hi George,   You said, ====== "I was reading a train mag the other day and saw some ads for $2,500 brass locomotive/tenders.  Makes me wonder if train collecting is a rich-mans hobby now and us poor folks that just like to run a train around a loop of track once in a while should just forget about getting anything new?" =======   That is the reality of model manufacturing. Price it high so it will become an "investment" . Make it a "collectible" instead of just a toy train. I can remember the ads for a HO Scale BRASS New York Central Hudson for $49.95 in the 1970's. I was also working for $2.50 an hour so that $50.00 was half a week's pay. I looked at what I could afford, not what I wanted and I was able to enjoy the hobby without spending my paycheck on trains.   Unless you "must" have that $2500.00 locomotive, no one is forcing you to buy it. Look at the ads on other pages. There are still locos out there for $25.00 and cars available at train meets for $.50 that can be used on a layout. Pay $2500.00 for a loco, perhaps. Pay that much and never use it, not something I would do. For that amount of money, it better come with scale-size people and make real steam. I like to play with my trains, not make jewelry out of them    My opinion only. Folks that use this hobby as a financial vehicle are the source of a lot of high prices and are responsible for manufacturers jacking up the prices on products. Think back to the 1970's. The oil producing nations found out that by "creating" an oil shortage, they could control the prices. Gas immediately became available after prices started going up.   Less than 20 years ago, Rivarossi made beautiful plastic HO scale locomotives that could be purchased for less than $30.00. There is no way the identical locomotive I purchased is worth $200.00 unless it was greatly improved. I have seen the new locos. The molds are identical with a few minor improvements in the drive wheels to bring them into NMRA standards. The only reason except increased manufacturing costs, is the fact that there are people willing to pay that price for them. If people made the decision to stop paying that price for them, the company would soon find ways to reduce the price or go out of business.   In short. the hobby is definitely not for rich folks. It is for forks that want to enjoy a hobby. Keeping expenses managable is the way it works.   My toy trains will not be mint condition when I leave this planet. They will be used hard and enjoyed for what they were, toy trains. If someone else finds value in that, they will be welcome to them for I will no longer need them. I am spending my daughter's inheritence. I figure I worked all of my ife for it. She should enjoy the same experience of earning it as well. <grin>   Merry Christmas,   Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51551	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!

I had a 63 Bug   that is Volkswagen for  others, and I wish I still had it. --- On Sun, 12/21/08, D. Winslow <davidwin@...> wrote: From: D. Winslow <davidwin@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 4:49 PM Scale S Only wrote: > I had a '63 Corvette, then a '69 monster Corvette. My trains cost more > than the '63, but WAY less then the '69 which was a money pit for everyone > associated with it. Wow, the 63 is untouchable today, funny how things go. I had a 69, never had an issue with it, except for a leak that I only learned how to fix after it was gone. > GM lost their butts on it with warantee services, the > insurance company lost their butts on it due to hit and run drivers, and I > lost my butt on it in two major engine rebuilds plus a major suspension > overhaul within 95000 miles. Wow again! I do remember now having to redo the rear wheel bearings, but that was it. The engine was basic small block, I'm guessing you had the big block, but I've not heard there were many problems with those either. > I sold it in '86 for double what I paid new > for it even with a dead engine (for the 3rd time!). It had vanity > plates -- BLK LMN -- as it was a black lemon. Hard to understand, I've had 3 corvettes, all small blocks, but all engines just kept running fine. Merry Christmas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51552	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Australia

I know we will light the Manorah tonight. --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Australia To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 2:26 PM Hi Bill. Google Hammersley Iron and browse. There would be HO cars available in Australia but of course probably no O gauge/scale stuff. Alistair _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of William Porter Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:47 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Australia Hi Folks, I saw an article in the paper today about iron ore mining. It showed a picture of a long train of ore cars in Australia. It only showed the tops of the cars. Does anyone on the list have knowledge of these cars? Are they the same size as the ones around Lake Superior? Are there models or photos available that show them? Happy Hanukah - First Night is tonight, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51553	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Merry Christmas

To all, Just wanted to take a minute and reflect on the importance of the season. To family and friends, the fond memories of Christmas morning and a new piece for the train under the tree, to remembering ones whom are no longer with us. May the joy of the season be with, all of you, and the best for the New Year. Merry Christmas, Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ It�s the same Hotmail�. If by �same� you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51554	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?

LOLOL Ya one that was far to large for it ...I thought it looked stupid being the size of the stack made it look like a barrel ... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote: > > Yesterday a very interesting item went off on E-bay. It was an AF 930 > caboose which smoked out the smoke stake. Does anyone know what type > of smoke unit would fit inside a caboose chassis and shell? I have all > of the pictures of it. The underside still had the light assembly > inserted (which was functional as well). Fascinated by this and would > like to attempt it myself. Thanks. > > Paul >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51555	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Bailout!

Ladies and gentlemen, as the President of Beheamoth Industries it is my duty to infoprm you that I will soon be going before Congress to ask for a handout, oops, bailout of the corporation. I have come to realise that, like General Motors, our company is bloated with management deadbeats, our Product Planning Department has been taken over by bean counters who have cut the quality of our product to the point that it falls apart before it is paid for, and the Advertising staff is running out of ideas to sell the same crap with a new look every few years. Upper management is so insulated from assembly and sales, that we don't have a clue where the plants and sales offices are. We have lost direction and now are more interested in impressing stockholders and making money that we have forgotten what the product is and why a customer buys it. Using our workers as an reason for poor design and quality, and blaming their huge wages and benefits as the excuse is wearing so thin that many people can see through it. Therefore, I am off to Washington to get a bailout. I have no doubt that I will be successful, after all the government has already flushed billions to the Financial industry who got us into this mess to start with! I have also heard that the Oil Industry, despite mind bending profits is preparing their own bailout strategy now that gasoline prices are going down. I'm leaving tonight to beat them to D.C.! I see no reason to chnage the way our company is run or the compensation upper management receives. Rufus T. Monygrubber, President, Beheamoth Industries. B.S...er, P.S. I have recieved word that our largest stockholder, Mr. T.M. Stone is threatening to streamline this corporation as he did Flatulene Fuels a few years ago. Our phoney baloney jobs are on the line!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51556	From: YardMasterModels@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Bailout!

That's good stuff!!! -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:06 am Subject: [S-Trains] Bailout! Ladies and gentlemen, as the President of Beheamoth Industries it is my duty to infoprm you that I will soon be going before Congress to ask for a handout, oops, bailout of the corporation. I have come to realise that, like General Motors, our company is bloated with management deadbeats, our Product Planning Department has been taken over by bean counters who have cut the quality of our product to the point that it falls apart before it is paid for, and the Advertising staff is running out of ideas to sell the same crap with a new look every few years. Upper management is so insulated from assembly and sales, that we don't have a clue where the plants and sales offices are. We have lost direction and now are more interested in impressing stockholders and making money that we have forgotten what the product is and why a customer buys it. Using our workers as an reason for poor design and quality, and blaming their huge wages and benefits as the excuse is wearing so thin that many people can see through it. Therefore, I am off to Washington to get a bailout. I have no doubt that I will be successful, after all the government has already flushed billions to the Financial industry who got us into this mess to start with! I have also heard that the Oil Industry, despite mind bending profits is preparing their own bailout strategy now that gasoline prices are going down. I'm leaving tonight to beat them to D.C.! I see no reason to chnage the way our company is run or the compensation upper management receives. Rufus T. Monygrubber, President, Beheamoth Industries. B.S...er, P.S. I have recieved word that our largest stockholder, Mr. T.M. Stone is threatening to streamline this corporation as he did Flatulene Fuels a few years ago. Our phoney baloney jobs are on the line! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51557	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?

Obviously several of you have found this on E-Bay, but no one is sharing a ling. I have searched every possible combination of words and still no result. Therefore, I repeat Clayton's request that someone who has found it post a link. It may be stupid looking, but I would still like to see it. Dale Smith Edward G. wrote: > > LOLOL Ya one that was far to large for it ...I thought it looked > stupid being the size of the stack made it look like a barrel ... > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote: > > > > Yesterday a very interesting item went off on E-bay. It was an AF > 930 > > caboose which smoked out the smoke stake. Does anyone know what > type > > of smoke unit would fit inside a caboose chassis and shell? I have > all > > of the pictures of it. The underside still had the light assembly > > inserted (which was functional as well). Fascinated by this and > would > > like to attempt it myself. Thanks. > > > > Paul > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51558	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:

I use a 300watt transformer to power the switches and lights and another one for the trains. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: gettysburg9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Remote Turnout Question: I have several of my remote turnouts which seem to take forever to switch from open to close or vice versa. I have fooled around lubricating the sliding parts, etc. I removed the spring and pointed stop/lock. The turnout responds quickly and seems to lock fully into position. I would not think the problem was in the controller, as I am using DPDT (on)off(on) toggles from the panel. Most of the 14 turnouts work well. It is just a few which are lazy. Question is: Will leaving out the stop/lock hinder the performance of the turnout? I assume over the years that the selinoid has become weak from usage and age. Just don't want to reassemble everything and then find out it was a no-no. Thanks. Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1862 - Release Date: 12/23/2008 12:08 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51559	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Racin' and Railroadin'...survivors!

Hi Bill, I was stationed in Wiesbaden Germany in 68. A friend of mine was interested in a new car and we took a train over to the Frankfurt Auto Show and saw the 914 when it was announced by VW and Porsche. I remember it well in its Orange paint. My friend tried to get the Porsche or the VW version (I believe the VW was a four cylinder and the Porsche was a 6) and couldn't (US spec model was a few years away) so he ended up with an Alfa Romeo Spyder which in its time was a nice car if you didn't mind constantly replacing head gaskets. He did get a lot of girl friends with that car too. But anyway, I digress. If I sold my collection at this time, I might be able to afford the bottom line Acura TL or a cheap BMW but that's presuming top dollar for my items which in this time of recession?? might not be the case. So as I think about maybe trading in my collection for a Honda Fit, I still think my time with S has been worth it. My accountant might think otherwise As to making money, I bought a 1970 BMW 2002 new and put 50K miles on it. Took it back to the states and sold it for $3000 in 1973 because It didn't have air. Remember that $3K was good money in 73. Should have kept it because that was the best car I ever had and properly restored is still worth a lot of money. Ah. well! Merry Christmas Bill and others, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51560	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Bailout!

Too bad the bailouts weren't around for Gilbert....Mike Who In a message dated 12/23/2008 4:45:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, YardMasterModels@... writes: That's good stuff!!! -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone <_mrstumpy@..._ (mailto:mrstumpy@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:06 am Subject: [S-Trains] Bailout! Ladies and gentlemen, as the President of Beheamoth Industries it is my duty to infoprm you that I will soon be going before Congress to ask for a handout, oops, bailout of the corporation. I have come to realise that, like General Motors, our company is bloated with management deadbeats, our Product Planning Department has been taken over by bean counters who have cut the quality of our product to the point that it falls apart before it is paid for, and the Advertising staff is running out of ideas to sell the same crap with a new look every few years. Upper management is so insulated from assembly and sales, that we don't have a clue where the plants and sales offices are. We have lost direction and now are more interested in impressing stockholders and making money that we have forgotten what the product is and why a customer buys it. Using our workers as an reason for poor design and quality, and blaming their huge wages and benefits as the excuse is wearing so thin that many people can see through it. Therefore, I am off to Washington to get a bailout. I have no doubt that I will be successful, after all the government has already flushed billions to the Financial industry who got us into this mess to start with! I have also heard that the Oil Industry, despite mind bending profits is preparing their own bailout strategy now that gasoline prices are going down. I'm leaving tonight to beat them to D.C.! I see no reason to chnage the way our company is run or the compensation upper management receives. Rufus T. Monygrubber, President, Beheamoth Industries. B.S...er, P.S. I have recieved word that our largest stockholder, Mr. T.M. Stone is threatening to streamline this corporation as he did Flatulene Fuels a few years ago. Our phoney baloney jobs are on the line! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51561	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: "Toy Train Memories" ~~ the book

I almost let this year slip by without mentioning this book by John Grams. I have bought several of these books, new & used, from Amazon to give as presents to some of my NON-train friends, but they loved the book! Of course, most of this list knows already, that the book (Page 33) has a FULL page photo of yours truly, sitting on the floor in front of the Christmas tree, with AF track surrounding me. The book shows many gauges and lots of great B & W photos from the past, as well as newer color photos that you may have seen in "Classic Toy Trains". I'm not saying this because I am in the book, but I feel it is a beautiful book for the coffee table during the holidays. A must-have IMHO, for any toy train buff. I just gave one to my best friend's daughter who has two young boys. I wrote, "It's never too late to start the tradition" inside the front cover. Check out this Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/TOY-TRAIN-MEMORIES-John-Grams/dp/0871161982 Merry Christmas to all! Rick. PS ...... photos will be coming soon of my small 2008 layout/village that is around the tree.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51562	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:

What size transformer are you using & what voltage. a volt or two can fix the slow switch. The selinoids should not wear. They either work or they don't. I'd try larger wire size to the lazy ones & maybe a voltage increase. Mike Who In a message dated 12/23/2008 4:34:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, gettysburg@... writes: I have several of my remote turnouts which seem to take forever to switch from open to close or vice versa. I have fooled around lubricating the sliding parts, etc. I removed the spring and pointed stop/lock. The turnout responds quickly and seems to lock fully into position. I would not think the problem was in the controller, as I am using DPDT (on)off(on) toggles from the panel. Most of the 14 turnouts work well. It is just a few which are lazy. Question is: Will leaving out the stop/lock hinder the performance of the turnout? I assume over the years that the selinoid has become weak from usage and age. Just don't want to reassemble everything and then find out it was a no-no. Thanks. Paul **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51563	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Here is a GILBERT SMOKING CABOOSE

Have single page D2080 American Flyer Train No. 25055 Smoking Caboose, that comes with illuminated lanterns, lighted interior, radio equipped letting and red finish-yellow markings. Smoke was shown as coming out of the smoke stack on the bay window caboose, and was going to be offered in 1958, but this was never produced. This is a copy 8 1/2 X 11 inch, in single color from my original. Copy on heavy bond paper. NOTE: THIS IS A DEALER PROMOTIONAL SHEET.This item is stamped Reprint I found this while looking for the 930...Mike Who **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51564	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?

Sorry Dale, here it is. Oh he has more too. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170288545306&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007 Clayton --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 5:06 PM > Obviously several of you have found this on E-Bay, but no > one is sharing > a ling. I have searched every possible combination of > words and still > no result. Therefore, I repeat Clayton's request that > someone who has > found it post a link. It may be stupid looking, but I > would still like > to see it. > > Dale Smith > > Edward G. wrote: > > > > LOLOL Ya one that was far to large for it ...I thought > it looked > > stupid being the size of the stack made it look like a > barrel ... > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote: > > > > > > Yesterday a very interesting item went off on > E-bay. It was an AF > > 930 > > > caboose which smoked out the smoke stake. Does > anyone know what > > type > > > of smoke unit would fit inside a caboose chassis > and shell? I have > > all > > > of the pictures of it. The underside still had > the light assembly > > > inserted (which was functional as well). > Fascinated by this and > > would > > > like to attempt it myself. Thanks. > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51565	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: 914

Hi Joe -- My '69 'vette was awfully fast when it ran. I took it to a Porsche slalom at the Salinas airport when it was still new and had stock tires. I beat every one of the Porsche 911's, BUT -- along comes this race prepared 914/6 with pulled fenders, huge tires, and 250 NET hp. Cleaned my clock! Never saw anything streetable that was quite that fast, including Ferraris. Which reminds me of the sweetest mechanical music in the world: V-12 Ferrari engine. I got to ride in the 1964 Targa Florio winner, which except for mufflers, was just how it was raced. Now THAT was music... The same person who had the Ferrari also had a 2002tii -- the first BMW I ever got a ride in. It used to be that if one bought brass, he/she could reasonably expect it to appreciate in $ value because of inflation. I don't think that is quite so true any more, mostly because the guys/gals who would buy these things are disappearing. While I owned my hobby shop, many folks would come in looking for a train model to "invest in". I ALWAYS told them that these things are not investments, they are expensive toys that if cared for MIGHT sell later on for more $ than their original $ price. However, how many toys can we play with for 20, 30 , 40, 50? years and still have any real value left in them? Pretty neat deal when you look at it that way... My wife knows all about this, and will be more than happy to get ANY money from my toys, and even if she gets half of what I paid for them (which 20 or more years ago wasn't that many dollars, though the dollars were worth a lot more) she will still have a bunch of change. Merry! Bill Winans we took a train over to the Frankfurt Auto Show and saw the 914 when it was announced by VW and Porsche. I remember it well in its Orange paint. My friend tried to get the Porsche or the VW version (I believe the VW was a four cylinder and the Porsche was a 6) and couldn't (US spec model was a few years away) so he ended up with an Alfa Romeo Spyder which in its time was a nice car if you didn't mind constantly replacing head gaskets. He did get a lot of girl friends with that car too. But anyway, I digress. If I sold my collection at this time, I might be able to afford the bottom line Acura TL or a cheap BMW but that's presuming top dollar for my items which in this time of recession might not be the case. So as I think about maybe trading in my collection for a Honda Fit, I still think my time with S has been worth it. My accountant might think otherwise As to making money, I bought a 1970 BMW 2002 new and put 50K miles on it. Took it back to the states and sold it for $3000 in 1973 because It didn't have air. Remember that $3K was good money in 73. Should have kept it because that was the best car I ever had and properly restored is still worth a lot of money. Ah. well!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51566	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:

I think Mike is giving good advice. I also had some "lazy" switches which were fixed by using a larger gauge wire. Dayl ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Remote Turnout Question: What size transformer are you using & what voltage. a volt or two can fix the slow switch. The selinoids should not wear. They either work or they don't. I'd try larger wire size to the lazy ones & maybe a voltage increase. Mike Who In a message dated 12/23/2008 4:34:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, gettysburg@... writes: I have several of my remote turnouts which seem to take forever to switch from open to close or vice versa. I have fooled around lubricating the sliding parts, etc. I removed the spring and pointed stop/lock. The turnout responds quickly and seems to lock fully into position. I would not think the problem was in the controller, as I am using DPDT (on)off(on) toggles from the panel. Most of the 14 turnouts work well. It is just a few which are lazy. Question is: Will leaving out the stop/lock hinder the performance of the turnout? I assume over the years that the selinoid has become weak from usage and age. Just don't want to reassemble everything and then find out it was a no-no. Thanks. Paul **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51567	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

May you all have a train running around your tree and the joy of Christmas in your hearts! I'm in the snow country with my grandson and we just created a web page for his train.� When I get home, I'll add more pictures from other visits. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night! Bob --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Merry Christmas To: "s-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 2:45 PM To all, Just wanted to take a minute and reflect on the importance of the season. To family and friends, the fond memories of Christmas morning and a new piece for the train under the tree, to remembering ones whom are no longer with us. May the joy of the season be with, all of you, and the best for the New Year. Merry Christmas, Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ It�s the same Hotmail�. If by �same� you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51568	From: gettysburg9	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:

That could be it. I never thought of that since some work well. I am using an AF 8B 100 watt dedicated to the control panel (14 switches total). I use a Lionel "Z" for the locos. The wire which I used is what came with the layout before I "revived" it. 4 wire, single strand "telephone" wire. Seems like some trial and error is in store for later tonight. Thanks immensely. Paul --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > What size transformer are you using & what voltage. a volt or two can fix > the slow switch. The selinoids should not wear. They either work or they don't. > I'd try larger wire size to the lazy ones & maybe a voltage increase. Mike > Who > > > In a message dated 12/23/2008 4:34:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > gettysburg@... writes: > > > > > I have several of my remote turnouts which seem to take forever to > switch from open to close or vice versa. I have fooled around > lubricating the sliding parts, etc. I removed the spring and pointed > stop/lock. The turnout responds quickly and seems to lock fully into > position. I would not think the problem was in the controller, as I am > using DPDT (on)off(on) toggles from the panel. Most of the 14 turnouts > work well. It is just a few which are lazy. > > Question is: Will leaving out the stop/lock hinder the performance of > the turnout? I assume over the years that the selinoid has become weak > from usage and age. Just don't want to reassemble everything and then > find out it was a no-no. Thanks. > > Paul > > > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51569	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose?

Dale, Try this one http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-SGA-930-AFL-CAB-W-LIGHT-SMOKE-NICE-LOOK_W0QQitemZ170288109170QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item170288109170&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Jim H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: How to: 930 "Smoking" caboose? Obviously several of you have found this on E-Bay, but no one is sharing a ling. I have searched every possible combination of words and still no result. Therefore, I repeat Clayton's request that someone who has found it post a link. It may be stupid looking, but I would still like to see it. Dale Smith Edward G. wrote: > > LOLOL Ya one that was far to large for it ...I thought it looked > stupid being the size of the stack made it look like a barrel ... > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote: > > > > Yesterday a very interesting item went off on E-bay. It was an AF > 930 > > caboose which smoked out the smoke stake. Does anyone know what > type > > of smoke unit would fit inside a caboose chassis and shell? I have > all > > of the pictures of it. The underside still had the light assembly > > inserted (which was functional as well). Fascinated by this and > would > > like to attempt it myself. Thanks. > > > > Paul > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51570	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: 914

Sorry, that was not meant for the whole group. Bill Winans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51571	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:

I found that the wattage is not as important as the voltage.You are not throwing all 14 at one time or using acc. all at once. I'd increase the wire size up from the #18-20 awg telephone wire to at least #16 for the lazy or slower switches. Also check any splices if you have any, along with the connections as a dirty connection can also cause the voltage to drop. Mike In a message dated 12/23/2008 8:12:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, gettysburg@... writes: That could be it. I never thought of that since some work well. I am using an AF 8B 100 watt dedicated to the control panel (14 switches total). I use a Lionel "Z" for the locos. The wire which I used is what came with the layout before I "revived" it. 4 wire, single strand "telephone" wire. Seems like some trial and error is in store for later tonight. Thanks immensely. Paul --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , anormal1@... wrote: > > What size transformer are you using & what voltage. a volt or two can fix > the slow switch. The selinoids should not wear. They either work or they don't. > I'd try larger wire size to the lazy ones & maybe a voltage increase. Mike > Who > > > In a message dated 12/23/2008 4:34:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > gettysburg@. gettysbur > > > > > I have several of my remote turnouts which seem to take forever to > switch from open to close or vice versa. I have fooled around > lubricating the sliding parts, etc. I removed the spring and pointed > stop/lock. The turnout responds quickly and seems to lock fully into > position. I would not think the problem was in the controller, as I am > using DPDT (on)off(on) toggles from the panel. Most of the 14 turnouts > work well. It is just a few which are lazy. > > Question is: Will leaving out the stop/lock hinder the performance of > the turnout? I assume over the years that the selinoid has become weak > from usage and age. Just don't want to reassemble everything and then > find out it was a no-no. Thanks. > > Paul > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**One site keeps you connected to all yo Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (_http://www.aol.http://www.http_ (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-) dp&icid=aolcom40vanici&ncid=ncid=<WBR>emlcntncid= > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51572	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Time to Smoke, or at least burn

I have papers to correct, but oh well, they can wait. Just for grins, I typed in American Flyer Trains on the U Tube website. I just spent over an hour watching vintage factory footage and layouts of every kind. Lots of fun if you haven't done it yet. Happy holidays, gang, Jacques [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51573	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Bailout!

Great Job Stumpy! Merry Christmas Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > Ladies and gentlemen, as the President of Beheamoth Industries it is my > duty to infoprm you that I will soon be going before Congress to ask > for a handout, oops, bailout of the corporation. I have come to > realise that, like General Motors, our company is bloated with > management deadbeats, our Product Planning Department has been taken > over by bean counters who have cut the quality of our product to the > point that it falls apart before it is paid for, and the Advertising > staff is running out of ideas to sell the same crap with a new look > every few years. > Upper management is so insulated from assembly and sales, that we don't > have a clue where the plants and sales offices are. We have lost > direction and now are more interested in impressing stockholders and > making money that we have forgotten what the product is and why a > customer buys it. > Using our workers as an reason for poor design and quality, and blaming > their huge wages and benefits as the excuse is wearing so thin that > many people can see through it. > Therefore, I am off to Washington to get a bailout. I have no doubt > that I will be successful, after all the government has already flushed > billions to the Financial industry who got us into this mess to start > with! I have also heard that the Oil Industry, despite mind bending > profits is preparing their own bailout strategy now that gasoline > prices are going down. I'm leaving tonight to beat them to D.C.! > I see no reason to chnage the way our company is run or the > compensation upper management receives. > Rufus T. Monygrubber, President, Beheamoth Industries. > B.S...er, P.S. I have recieved word that our largest stockholder, Mr. > T.M. Stone is threatening to streamline this corporation as he did > Flatulene Fuels a few years ago. Our phoney baloney jobs are on the > line! > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51574	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:

A little more to add to the slow switch situation Yes more voltage at the power supply will make the switches throw with more authority. Larger wire will help reduce the voltage drop to the switch. I have a question: Do the slower switches have longer wire runs, or smaller wire than the ones that switch quickly? If they don't then the solenoids might not be healthy, as it sounds like you have already checked mechanical binding or drag. I don't agree with the comment: "The selinoids should not wear. They either work or they don't." (sic) Solenoids might not wear, but they can degrade. If the shellacked winding wire gets too hot some of the coils can be shorted. It is possible to have a few shorted coils, and the result is higher than normal current draw, and lower force to the solenoid. Now everything that has been suggested could be what you need to do, but you might want to make sure you don't have some solenoids that with rewinding or replacement would work much better. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > I found that the wattage is not as important as the voltage.You are not > throwing all 14 at one time or using acc. all at once. I'd increase the wire size > up from the #18-20 awg telephone wire to at least #16 for the lazy or slower > switches. Also check any splices if you have any, along with the connections > as a dirty connection can also cause the voltage to drop. Mike > > > In a message dated 12/23/2008 8:12:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > gettysburg@... writes: > > > > > That could be it. I never thought of that since some work well. I > am using an AF 8B 100 watt dedicated to the control panel (14 > switches total). I use a Lionel "Z" for the locos. The wire which I > used is what came with the layout before I "revived" it. 4 wire, > single strand "telephone" wire. Seems like some trial and error is > in store for later tonight. Thanks immensely. > > Paul > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S- Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > anormal1@ wrote: > > > > What size transformer are you using & what voltage. a volt or two > can fix > > the slow switch. The selinoids should not wear. They either work > or they don't. > > I'd try larger wire size to the lazy ones & maybe a voltage > increase. Mike > > Who > > > > > > In a message dated 12/23/2008 4:34:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > gettysburg@ gettysbur > > > > > > > > > > I have several of my remote turnouts which seem to take forever to > > switch from open to close or vice versa. I have fooled around > > lubricating the sliding parts, etc. I removed the spring and > pointed > > stop/lock. The turnout responds quickly and seems to lock fully > into > > position. I would not think the problem was in the controller, as I > am > > using DPDT (on)off(on) toggles from the panel. Most of the 14 > turnouts > > work well. It is just a few which are lazy. > > > > Question is: Will leaving out the stop/lock hinder the performance > of > > the turnout? I assume over the years that the selinoid has become > weak > > from usage and age. Just don't want to reassemble everything and > then > > find out it was a no-no. Thanks. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**One site keeps you connected to all yo > Mail, > > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > > (_http://www.aol.http://www.http_ (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- ) > dp&icid=aolcom40vanici&ncid=ncid=<WBR>emlcntncid= > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51575	From: William Porter	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:

Hi Paul, Yes, 'bell wire' has a bad rep in trainland. It is OK for very short runs and low power things. I like to use heavier wire for higher current applications. The lamp wire (zip cord) found at the big box hardware stores is pretty good. 18 gauge, stranded should do the trick very nicely. If that is too big for the terminals, use a wire connector on the end. I like the crimp types (crimp and solder is my rule) that are available in bulk. Some are circles and some are horse shoe shaped. In a pinch, you could solder an inch or two of the bell wire to the end to serve as the connector. At the transformer end, use a distribution panel made from terminal strips of some ilk. Solder types are cheap from lots of sources. The screw-down, barrier strips are more money and offer more flexibility. Merry Christmas, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gettysburg9 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:20 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Remote Turnout Question: That could be it. I never thought of that since some work well. I am using an AF 8B 100 watt dedicated to the control panel (14 switches total). I use a Lionel "Z" for the locos. The wire which I used is what came with the layout before I "revived" it. 4 wire, single strand "telephone" wire. Seems like some trial and error is in store for later tonight. Thanks immensely. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51576	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Hey y'all

While I have access to the computer, before "she who is not to be denied" comes to take over, I want to say thanks to you folks being you folks! As someone who has been around the hobby since the days of actual postal mail and long distance telephone calls, you have no idea what it means to have contact with so many train folks right at my fat fingertips! This group has allowed me to meet new people and add all of you to my list of friends! May you all have a wonderful Holiday Season! Merry Christmas, y'all! Stumpy..Ho Ho Ho...Martins Ferry, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51577	From: William Porter	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:

Hi Again Paul, I was just reading the posts on this topic. There is a lot of opportunity for confusion in discussions of 'telephone wire' and 'bell wire'. Some bell wire is door bell wire or low-voltage house wire. That stuff is a bit heavier but still not normally thick enough for most, high-current model train applications. The current standard for telephone wire is 24 gauge. Some older versions were 22 gauge. That stuff is much too small for switch motors, track feeders or even a well-lit structure. Telephone wire is really just for telephone signals and not for transferring power. Happy New Year, Bill Reply from Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51578	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:

Two comments: AF switches can become sluggish from accumulation of dirt and old lubrication. Brute forcing them with large wire may be masking a maintenance issue. As for a source of layout wire I have found that Thermostat wire available at electrical contractor supply houses works great. It is available in with several conductor numbers from 3 to 8 and in several wire sizes from 24 to 18 gauge and is color coded. If bought in a bulk spool of 250-500 feet it is very economical. I used it exclusively on my layout for switch and block power feeds. Probably used a Mile or more. Carl T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51579	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: AF Remote Turnout Question--PS!

I forgot to mention this simple test to see if your coils have internal shorts--if your ohm readings are lower, then there are shorts. (from one of my repair articles a few years ago) "There is one more easy-to-do check on your switches, if they are not throwing properly, and that is the coil condition. On all three types, the coil is actually two coils on the same core. According to Bob Hannon's book, an ohmmeter connected across either the black and red or black and green posts should read 2.4 Ohms on the 720s and 1.8 to 2.0 Ohms on the 720As. Check both post sets. " If you're getting a reading like 1.6 or 1.4, then the coil is partially shorted, but might still give you years of service with proper wiring, and momentary use (ie: the switch throws quickly-not Bzzzzz-chunk! more like Bzz-Chunk!). For full sound effect, read out loud! :) Run 'em if ya got 'em! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51580	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Merry Christmas

Steve and Sam at S-'n-S Trains in Boise, want to wish all of you a happy Christmas time. We hope train stuff finds it's way to you. But most of all we wish you health and happiness. We also wish to thank all of you that patronized our services the past year. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51581	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Here is a GILBERT SMOKING CABOOSE

Ok, what year did Lionel come out with there smoking caboose? Did that make flyer shut down making one for "S" scale? This could be like the 314AW in the works. Clayton --- On Tue, 12/23/08, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: > From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Here is a GILBERT SMOKING CABOOSE > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:37 PM > Have single page D2080 American Flyer Train No. 25055 > Smoking Caboose, that > comes with illuminated lanterns, lighted interior, radio > equipped letting and > red finish-yellow markings. Smoke was shown as coming out > of the smoke stack > on the bay window caboose, and was going to be offered in > 1958, but this was > never produced. This is a copy 8 1/2 X 11 inch, in single > color from my > original. Copy on heavy bond paper. NOTE: THIS IS A DEALER > PROMOTIONAL SHEET.This > item is stamped Reprint > > I found this while looking for the 930...Mike Who > **************One site keeps you connected to all your > email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51582	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: AF Reomte Turnout Question

Daryl, Put the spring and detent back in, unless you like major derailments! Lubricating the detent with dry teflon is a good idea though. The wire size is probably part of your problem. Another part could be the coils have developed shorts in the windings. This is a problem that just gets worse with heat (caused by leaving the coils energized for a period of time--they are only engineered as a momentary use coil). So, get some amps to those puppies before they fry worse! The Telephone 20-24 gauge wire is too small, except for very short runs. (rats, it's such a nice 4-conductor wire too!). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51583	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:

William Porter wrote: > > > Hi Again Paul, > > I was just reading the posts on this topic. There is a lot of opportunity > for confusion in discussions of 'telephone wire' and 'bell wire'. Some bell > wire is door bell wire or low-voltage house wire. That stuff is a bit > heavier but still not normally thick enough for most, high-current model > train applications. The current standard for telephone wire is 24 gauge. > Some older versions were 22 gauge. That stuff is much too small for switch > motors, track feeders or even a well-lit structure. > Having been a telecom guy for 32 years I can say with some authority that most telephone 4 conductor is 24 gauge and will present a voltage drop for high current applications. Interestedly enough, I still have an original AC Gilbert store display layout from 1954 and all of the wiring on that was something like 22 gauge. All very nicely done, laid out in neat rows and stapled on the underside. Then nails were driven through the 5/16ths plywood with fahnestock clips on the top side and the wire soldered to the nail underneath. The wires for the switches and some accessories that had binding posts or fahnestock clips was just run through holes in the plywood to the accessory. Probably not the best way to do wiring but I don't think the store displays were meant to be long term layouts. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51584	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: 914

Bill, We forgive you. LOL Thought you would taking about a unloading car or something like that. Oh, it unloaded your vette. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scale S Only To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 914 Sorry, that was not meant for the whole group. Bill Winans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51585	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Here is a GILBERT SMOKING CABOOSE

OK...Can you use a K-Line smoking caboose & change the trucks & what about the PU, is it 3 rail PU? Mike Who In a message dated 12/24/2008 11:04:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, uvl97222@... writes: Ok, what year did Lionel come out with there smoking caboose? Did that make flyer shut down making one for "S" scale? This could be like the 314AW in the works. Clayton --- On Tue, 12/23/08, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > wrote: > From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Here is a GILBERT SMOKING CABOOSE > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:37 PM > Have single page D2080 American Flyer Train No. 25055 > Smoking Caboose, that > comes with illuminated lanterns, lighted interior, radio > equipped letting and > red finish-yellow markings. Smoke was shown as coming out > of the smoke stack > on the bay window caboose, and was going to be offered in > 1958, but this was > never produced. This is a copy 8 1/2 X 11 inch, in single > color from my > original. Copy on heavy bond paper. NOTE: THIS IS A DEALER > PROMOTIONAL SHEET.This > item is stamped Reprint > > I found this while looking for the 930...Mike Who > ************ ************<WBR>**One site keeps you connect > email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (_http://www.aol.http://www.http:/&icid=icid=<WBR>aolc&<WBR>ncid=emlcnt<WBR>ncid_ (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51586	From: Trains 4 U	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Tsunami in SW1

SHS - has instructions on their web site to retro-fit an SW-1 with sound! Peter Loeb in OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51587	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: SnS vs Timko and an RS-3 question.

-I have 12 -15 engines with Timko motor & I continue to convert more.One thing that would help is to enlarge the four mounting holes on the mounting plate so you can adjust to fit the chassis bearing more perfertly.Also sometimes I have to take the chassis bearing out as someone else has posted on this subject. The O.D. of the new worm is fine. It just has to be alinded perfectly. Bob Guckian Eaton,Oh--

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51588	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Who is this guy?

I recently received an off site email from a Polpolk9 lambasting me for providing info on stripping and repainting old Flyer. He hasn't had the decency to reply to my rebuttal and I'm wondering if anyone else knows of or has heard of this guy? Is he a crackpot? Thank you. Bob Hendrickson ================================================================= From Phil K, one of several S-Trains monitors: Bob -- In answer to your final question, yes. If you are more inquisitive, do a search here for his screen name or Jay Walsh. He has been banned from this forum yet sits alone in his basement, using his PC as a pea-shooter. He deserves being ignored.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51589	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Hey y'all

Stumpy - I hope you got that "Darlin" of your's a new computer for Christmas, so we can all gain from your wisdom with greater frequency! ;-D}} ~Justin On Dec 24, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Stumpy Stone wrote: > While I have access to the computer, before "she who is not to be > denied" comes to take over, I want to say thanks to you folks being > you > folks! > As someone who has been around the hobby since the days of actual > postal mail and long distance telephone calls, you have no idea > what it > means to have contact with so many train folks right at my fat > fingertips! This group has allowed me to meet new people and add all > of you to my list of friends! > May you all have a wonderful Holiday Season! Merry Christmas, y'all! > Stumpy..Ho Ho Ho...Martins Ferry, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51590	From: race944t	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: 914

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scale S Only" <scalesonly@...> wrote: > > Sorry, that was not meant for the whole group. > Bill Winans > Not a problem. I have Porsches on my train layout and if you look at my screen name you'll realize why this is not a problem. Oh, and the "t" in the screen name is for "turbo". "Banker/Racer" Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51591	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Fw: [MFCL] Today in KC

----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Stolte To: MFCL@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:40 PM Subject: [MFCL] Today in KC Today in KC http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=38646 Tom Stolte [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51592	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Make Music

Happy Christmas eve to all!!!!!!!!! These fellows were on Fox this am and are just amazing. I think I'll get the album for next year. http://www.sncmusic.com/ Straight no chaser Their wonderful 12 days will start abit after you open the link, but can't do justice to how great these gize sound. Cheers!!!! Jon C Not in the egg-nog yet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51593	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?

Dear Bob, That is Jay Walsh. He lurks on the web and was banned from this e- group several years ago. He sends me e-mail every now and then about having stuff made in China (I like to point out to him that A.C. Gilbert company had stuff made in Japan). I think he is pretty harmless. I do not respond to his e-mail as I learned he just send me more. A friend on this list recommended that I just ignore him. Pretty good advice in my opinion. Best, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51594	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?

Many of us have heard from him. He certainly forcefully expresses his opinions.   Bill Drake Temporarily in Seattle but normally in St. Louis - both cold and snowy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51595	From: Coopers	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Merry Christmas To All

Good Evening! I have enjoyed the correspondence from everyone on a variety of Flyer issues/topics since joining this group earlier this year, immensely. Thanks for your sharing and tech guidance. I hope that you and your loved ones thoroughly enjoy the Christmas holiday period and keep the trains rolling for all to enjoy, now and in the years to come. Best Regards Art Cooper Richardson, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51596	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Bailout!

Different era, different time. That was when people and companies actually accepted responsibility for their self-induced problems, instead of blaming others for their transgressions. I can't tell you how I yearn for those days. The "me" generation, self-absorbed parasites of today make me sick and thankful that I don't have to raise kids in this era. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bailout! Too bad the bailouts weren't around for Gilbert....Mike Who In a message dated 12/23/2008 4:45:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, YardMasterModels@... writes: That's good stuff!!! -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone <_mrstumpy@..._ (mailto:mrstumpy@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:06 am Subject: [S-Trains] Bailout! Ladies and gentlemen, as the President of Beheamoth Industries it is my duty to infoprm you that I will soon be going before Congress to ask for a handout, oops, bailout of the corporation. I have come to realise that, like General Motors, our company is bloated with management deadbeats, our Product Planning Department has been taken over by bean counters who have cut the quality of our product to the point that it falls apart before it is paid for, and the Advertising staff is running out of ideas to sell the same crap with a new look every few years. Upper management is so insulated from assembly and sales, that we don't have a clue where the plants and sales offices are. We have lost direction and now are more interested in impressing stockholders and making money that we have forgotten what the product is and why a customer buys it. Using our workers as an reason for poor design and quality, and blaming their huge wages and benefits as the excuse is wearing so thin that many people can see through it. Therefore, I am off to Washington to get a bailout. I have no doubt that I will be successful, after all the government has already flushed billions to the Financial industry who got us into this mess to start with! I have also heard that the Oil Industry, despite mind bending profits is preparing their own bailout strategy now that gasoline prices are going down. I'm leaving tonight to beat them to D.C.! I see no reason to chnage the way our company is run or the compensation upper management receives. Rufus T. Monygrubber, President, Beheamoth Industries. B.S...er, P.S. I have recieved word that our largest stockholder, Mr. T.M. Stone is threatening to streamline this corporation as he did Flatulene Fuels a few years ago. Our phoney baloney jobs are on the line! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51597	From: T Larson	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: 1965 Pickups

I just received from Mini-Motors, Inc. my 1965 Dodge pickup (by Greenlight). VERY nice model. I placed it next to my 1965 Ford pickup (by Racing Champions) and my 1965 Chev pickup (by Johnny Lightning). They look all 3 to be exactly the same scale. I commend all 3 to you as accurate S scale vehicles. -- Ted Larson http://www.thistothat.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51598	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Re: AF Remote Turnout Question:

Actually, in my experience, that is not necessarily true. I owned a set of 720 switches where the frogs slowly reacted to the throw of the switch controller and my 720A switches reacted immediately, using the same transformer. Some solenoids, going bad, will react slower. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Remote Turnout Question: What size transformer are you using & what voltage. a volt or two can fix the slow switch. The selinoids should not wear. They either work or they don't. I'd try larger wire size to the lazy ones & maybe a voltage increase. Mike Who In a message dated 12/23/2008 4:34:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, gettysburg@... writes: I have several of my remote turnouts which seem to take forever to switch from open to close or vice versa. I have fooled around lubricating the sliding parts, etc. I removed the spring and pointed stop/lock. The turnout responds quickly and seems to lock fully into position. I would not think the problem was in the controller, as I am using DPDT (on)off(on) toggles from the panel. Most of the 14 turnouts work well. It is just a few which are lazy. Question is: Will leaving out the stop/lock hinder the performance of the turnout? I assume over the years that the selinoid has become weak from usage and age. Just don't want to reassemble everything and then find out it was a no-no. Thanks. Paul **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51599	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Re: Here is a GILBERT SMOKING CABOOSE

This go out to anyone. Are K-line now Lionel parts only available? Clayton --- On Wed, 12/24/08, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: > From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Here is a GILBERT SMOKING CABOOSE > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 11:49 AM > OK...Can you use a K-Line smoking caboose & change the > trucks & what about > the PU, is it 3 rail PU? Mike Who > > > In a message dated 12/24/2008 11:04:45 A.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > uvl97222@... writes: > > > > > Ok, what year did Lionel come out with there smoking > caboose? Did that make > flyer shut down making one for "S" scale? This > could be like the 314AW in the > works. > > Clayton > > --- On Tue, 12/23/08, _anormal1@..._ > (mailto:anormal1@...) > <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > > wrote: > > > From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > <_anormal1@..._ > (mailto:anormal1@...) > > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Here is a GILBERT SMOKING > CABOOSE > > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ > (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:37 PM > > Have single page D2080 American Flyer Train No. 25055 > > Smoking Caboose, that > > comes with illuminated lanterns, lighted interior, > radio > > equipped letting and > > red finish-yellow markings. Smoke was shown as coming > out > > of the smoke stack > > on the bay window caboose, and was going to be > offered in > > 1958, but this was > > never produced. This is a copy 8 1/2 X 11 inch, in > single > > color from my > > original. Copy on heavy bond paper. NOTE: THIS IS A > DEALER > > PROMOTIONAL SHEET.This > > item is stamped Reprint > > > > I found this while looking for the 930...Mike Who > > ************ ************<WBR>**One site keeps > you connect > > email: AOL Mail, > > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > > > (_http://www.aol.http://www.http:/&icid=icid=<WBR>aolc&<WBR>ncid=emlcnt<WBR>ncid_ > > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > ) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your > email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51600	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

Dittos To All!! **************Don't be the last to know - click here for the latest news that will have people talking. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000021) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51601	From: lglumac@comcast.net	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?

hi, dont replay to this guy, he will start sending you nasty email when ever you make any comments on here,he has many names he goes under, best bet is to ignore him, good luck........ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hendrickson" <canambob91710k@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 4:58:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-Trains] Who is this guy? I recently received an off site email from a Polpolk9 lambasting me for providing info on stripping and repainting old Flyer. He hasn't had the decency to reply to my rebuttal and I'm wondering if anyone else knows of or has heard of this guy? Is he a crackpot? Thank you. Bob Hendrickson ================================================================= From Phil K, one of several S-Trains monitors: Bob -- In answer to your final question, yes. If you are more inquisitive, do a search here for his screen name or Jay Walsh. He has been banned from this forum yet sits alone in his basement, using his PC as a pea-shooter. He deserves being ignored. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51602	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?

Bob your rebuttal must of worked! We all have talked about this once before in here, and we all have put the white flag out... More like an order to stand down was given... ;) Clayton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51603	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Thank You

I just wanted to take some time on this joyous day to thank all of you who responded to my question about Jay Walsh aka polpolk9. It's too bad he lets his [problems] cause him to be such a bitter vitriolic individual. As per your advice I have blocked his emails. As someone who is dealing with some life altering illness myself ( coronary artery disease, congestive heart failure, diabetes and arthritis ) I choose to embrace life every day and try to remain positive. It's so much easier to be happy than miserable and why waste precious time and energy as a curmudgeon.I would also like to thank everyone on this list for sharing their wit, humor, wisdom, insight and ideas. While I don't yet have a permanent layout ( trackage and real estate rights are being negotiated for the family room ) I enjoy spending time repairing and resurrecting old Flyer as well as building Pacific rail Shops kits. Some of the posts here have helping me refine dormant modeling skills as well as inspire me to tackle other projects. God bless and thank all of you and may you have a safe, healthy and prosperous holiday season and new year. Bob Hendrickson ==================================================================== Edited by moderator Bob and all -- Several posts about Mr. Polpolk9 have alleged that he has some sort of mental disease. I have sent several back to the original authors for this reason. The only thing we know as truth is that none of us are his doctors. Even though he has been banned from this forum, I think in fairness we should all take the high road and avoid libeling someone on this public forum. Call him a crackpot, curmudgeon, clown, pest or whatever -- but let's not use this forum to promulgate amateur diagnoses of his health from afar. We have more class than he. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51604	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Trading Opportunity...

GENTS: Looking to make some equitable, win/win, condition just short of NIB trades. Off-list contact only; on-list will be ignored. Offering: AM GP35 out-of-production #3507 C&O Chessie System w/Chessie logo, DC, scale flanges, Kadee 802's, original carton, test-run only. AM Budd Car Set PRR, chrome finish, scale flanges, Kadee 802's, original carton, test run only. AM PRR GG-1 #4876 5-stripe Tuscan, DC, scale flanges, Kadee 802's, original carton, test run only. AM GP 9/18, Lehigh Valley #402, in-house-matched red paint, decals from defunct 1:64 magazine, DC, scale flanges, Kadee 802's, original carton, reversing headlights and constantly-lit marker light circuit board, NW steel grab irons, scratch-built front hand brake, top-side brass lift rings, brass window shades, scratch-built hinged front and rear operating porches, Des Plaines Hobbies stanchions and railings, BTS MU hoses, custom-made coupler lift bars, test run only or close. Original AM stanchions and railing included. Looking for: AM GP35 #2827 Santa Fe, DC, scale flanges, Kadee 802's, original carton, test-run only or close. AM GP 9/18 #750 Santa Fe, DC, scale flanges, Kadee 802's, original carton, test-run only or close. AM U25B #6607 Santa Fe, DC, scale flanges, Kadee 802's, original carton, test-run only or close. AM Baldwin S12 #632 ATSF, DC, scale flanges, Kadee 802's, original carton, test-run only or close. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51605	From: larry999970123	Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Easy TMCC conversion to DCC

I have posted a file with Instructions on converting Af Mikado and Pacific from TMCC to DCC in the File Section. I have also posted photos in the Photo section under Easy TMCC conversion of the MIkado. Larry Janeski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51606	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Easy TMCC conversion to DCC

I can't read any of the text in the pictures. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of larry999970123 Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 1:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Easy TMCC conversion to DCC I have posted a file with Instructions on converting Af Mikado and Pacific from TMCC to DCC in the File Section. I have also posted photos in the Photo section under Easy TMCC conversion of the MIkado. Larry Janeski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51607	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: 1965 Pickups

Ted, Is Greenlight online? Do you know if they have anything older, like 1930¹s~1950¹s? Roy Inman on 12/25/08 7:40 AM, T Larson at mhrre@... wrote: > > > > I just received from Mini-Motors, Inc. my 1965 Dodge pickup (by > Greenlight). VERY nice model. > I placed it next to my 1965 Ford pickup (by Racing Champions) > and my 1965 Chev pickup (by Johnny Lightning). > They look all 3 to be exactly the same scale. I commend all 3 to you as > accurate S scale vehicles. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51608	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?

He seems to send me one of his emails whenever I have something for sale especially on AvailableSgauge. Responding just gets more responses. I attached his email to junk email box on outlook and literally delete the problem. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Drake Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Who is this guy? Many of us have heard from him. He certainly forcefully expresses his opinions. Bill Drake Temporarily in Seattle but normally in St. Louis - both cold and snowy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51609	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: New videos on YouTube

I have loaded 4 new videos on YouTube. As I write this, one is still uploading. They are 1) A Southern AM light pacific pulling a heavy weight train. The train set consist of an SHS wood reefer based on a photo of a Southern train with a Southern milk car at the head end. 2) A Southern PA set pulling a set of redecorated Flyonel Budd streamliners from Bristol, VA. There is a baggage, combo, coach, diner, vista coach, coach, and observation. The PAs are redecorated Gilbert PA shells using Microscale modified S scale EMD F unit decals, new cam motors, electronic sound, and custom built electronic e-units for forward-neutral only. Nick Colleran did all of the electrical and mechanical work. 3 & 4) Two different videos of Southerns only streamline pacific which pulled the same streamliner through N&W territory. The engine is a redecorated Gilbert streamliner pacific with custom decals, N scale Southern logo on the steam pistons, and microscale gold striping. It is repowered with DC cam, sleuth smoke, and the orginal Gilbert choo choo piston. The web addresses are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug3N_NeNjtA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhS9qvos728 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhS9qvos728 The last one is still uploading, but it is called "Southern Streamliner 2" Enjoy. Hope everyone had a great Christmas. Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51610	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: The final video finally posted.

The web address is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW6m1Fj7vq0 Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51611	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: 24634 Smoking Caboose

Wanting to make a smoking caboose as close to "the one Gilbert never made", I used a 24634 that needed some repair. Yes, I used a Seuth smoking unit, the one with the smallest diameter stack I could find. It was an easy install since the 24634 is an illuninated caboose. I did have to enlarge the smokestack hole a bit, but nothing like the 930 mentioned that was on ebay. Since I am a toy train guy and not scale, the slight increase in diameter of the stack wasn't an issue with me. This was an inexpensive project and the Seuth smoke unit works great. Pictures are posted in my photo album, "acgilbertguy". --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote: > > Yesterday a very interesting item went off on E-bay. It was an AF 930 > caboose which smoked out the smoke stake. Does anyone know what type > of smoke unit would fit inside a caboose chassis and shell? I have all > of the pictures of it. The underside still had the light assembly > inserted (which was functional as well). Fascinated by this and would > like to attempt it myself. Thanks. > > Paul >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51612	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: 290 runs great... in reverse

I have a newly-acquired 290 that only goes in reverse. It has new fingers on the reverse unit and the wiring has been tested many, many times now. It matches the diagrams posted at the Port Lines site for 4 wire locomotives. It shows the same AC voltage across the brush tubes in 2 of the 4 positions as it should. In what should be the forward position it just buzzes, almost inaudibly. Of course in the reverse position it runs great. I have not re-brushed it or polished the commutator yet. The armature windings look to have some melted deposit on ine of the lobes. It reminds me of what it looked like when I epoxied slot-car armatures back in the day. I checked the reverse unit against a 356 to verify that I oriented the new fingers properly. The centered ones on the bottom and the offset on the top, right? I am sure someone here has encountered this problem. Any ideas? Maybe this is a can motor candidate? Thanks! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51613	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: 24634 Smoking Caboose

That is a big improvement over the EBay versions. The stack size is reasonable and not at all objectionable. Also, the wispy smoke looks more like what you might get out of a pot belly stove. Nice Job. Dale Smith acgilbertguy wrote: > > Wanting to make a smoking caboose as close to "the one Gilbert never > made", I used a 24634 that needed some repair. Yes, I used a Seuth > smoking unit, the one with the smallest diameter stack I could find. > It was an easy install since the 24634 is an illuninated caboose. I > did have to enlarge the smokestack hole a bit, but nothing like the > 930 mentioned that was on ebay. Since I am a toy train guy and not > scale, the slight increase in diameter of the stack wasn't an issue > with me. This was an inexpensive project and the Seuth smoke unit > works great. Pictures are posted in my photo album, "acgilbertguy". > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "gettysburg9" <gettysburg@...> wrote: > > > > Yesterday a very interesting item went off on E-bay. It was an AF > 930 > > caboose which smoked out the smoke stake. Does anyone know what > type > > of smoke unit would fit inside a caboose chassis and shell? I have > all > > of the pictures of it. The underside still had the light assembly > > inserted (which was functional as well). Fascinated by this and > would > > like to attempt it myself. Thanks. > > > > Paul > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51614	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: More New videos

I have just placed two more videos on YouTube. Yes, I know, I'm becoming a fanatic on this. 1) First is a Virginian passenger train circa 1950s. By this time the Virginian only had two mainline passenger trains; one east bound and one west bound, #3 and #4. The consist was pretty much the same as since the 30s, a light Pacific, a heavyweight RPO-Express, and two steel heavyweight coaches. Pretty much the same equipment used in the 1920s. This set is an American Models light Pacific and 3 American Models passenger cars. All were hand-lettered except the U.S. mail etc. on the RPO car. No, I doubt if either #3 or #4 went that fast, but I had to get the voltage up to produce smoke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMmnjmIT4l8 2) The second set is the N&W Powhatan Arrow circa 1960s. By this time the Arrow was 3 cars pulled by a single Red Bird GP9. This set is all redecorated Flyonel. The Geep has S scale decals and the passenger cars use HO decals. The passenger cars consists of Budd combo, coach, and observation. Yes, I know the Arrow did not use Budd cars and did not have an observation during the 60s, but these are toys, and one uses what one has available. This was the first redecorated train I did back in the 90s, and the engine is old and cheaply made. I guess that is why it insist on slowing down in the curves. Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5wahNQk_DU Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51615	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse

HI Try flipping the four wire connector over. Are all fingers contacting the drum? maybe the wiring on the cab of the engine is wrong. the epoxy stuff is melted winding insulation, you may be burning up your motor. To test engine: disconnect tender; apply power to one brush and one field wire:jumper the other two. I used to carry a four wire male end to field test engines, great way to isolate engine vs tender problems. Tom Over 30 years of toy train terair but I just cant type LOL -----Original Message----- From: Tim Benner <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 1:56 pm Subject: [S-Trains] 290 runs great... in reverse I have a newly-acquired 290 that only goes in reverse. It has new fingers on the reverse unit and the wiring has been tested many, many times now. It matches the diagrams posted at the Port Lines site for 4 wire locomotives. It shows the same AC voltage across the brush tubes in 2 of the 4 positions as it should. In what should be the forward position it just buzzes, almost inaudibly. Of course in the reverse position it runs great. I have not re-brushed it or polished the commutator yet. The armature windings look to have some melted deposit on ine of the lobes. It reminds me of what it looked like when I epoxied slot-car armatures back in the day. =0 D I checked the reverse unit against a 356 to verify that I oriented the new fingers properly. The centered ones on the bottom and the offset on the top, right? I am sure someone here has encountered this problem. Any ideas? Maybe this is a can motor candidate? Thanks! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51616	From: majordadsage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: New Member

I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam Engines that my dad bought almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they run, smoke, etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I also converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than the old reversing units. I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not sure where to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at Lowes but, I can see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get some suggestions from the group. I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a local or reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in Indiana but, I am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The club's home base is about 2 hrs from my house. I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned about "how much of the basement" is this going to need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51617	From: John Gibson	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Northern California O Scale West + S - REMINDER

Greetings: Remember to get your registration fee in early to save $5 - must be post marked on or before 12/31/08. Details below. See you at the show! John Gibson OSW+S Convention Committee > Northern California O Scale West + S -- Largest S scale show west of > the Mississippi! > > There will be S standard and narrow gauge dealers, including > Howard'S Trains, PBL, River Raisin Models, Southwind Models, as well > as others. > > Clinics will be on topics such as making trees and creating your own > decals. Ken Reiter, the electronics guru for Ed Loizeaux will be > doing a presentation, and there will be a panel discussion about > layout planning, operation, and maintenance by S, Sn3 & O scale > layout owners. > > The events also include the showing of railroad videos, and contests. > > The BASS club will have their modular layout up and running (DC & > DCC) – bring your equipment to run on the layout, a Digitrax control > system will be available. Equipment must meet NASG standards. > > The McKenzie brothers will be showing their fantastic Sn3 logging > layout that includes the realistic and beautiful trees they will > teach you to make in their clinic. > > Offsite layouts include: > > - Ed Loizeaux's S & Sn3 scale NYC: The New York Central operates > through the Catskill Mountains region with over 300+ feet of > doubletrack mainline. Numerous large bridges, viaducts, waterfalls, > river rapids, tunnels and other scenic attractions abound. This > nearly-finished layout offers a spectacular backdrop and beautiful > scenery and flawless operation > > - Arden Goehring's S scale UP Sherman Hill: This huge layout > occupies a 1,600 square foot building and is inspired by UP's > arduous crossing of the Rocky Mountains at Sherman Hill. Big Boys > and 40 car reefer trains are the norm on this fantastic layout. > > - Don Harper's Sn3 Harper Valley Railroad. This spectacular layout > is based on the Rio Grande narrow gauge and West Side Lumber Co, and > was one of the featured layouts in BASS 2009 S/Sn3 calendar and > several of the leading model railroad magazines > > - We also hope to have Mike Schwab's Sn3 San Juan Central Railroad. > This very detailed layout is based on Colorado narrow gauge, and > was also featured in BASS 2009 calendar. > > The meet cars are Southern Pacific 53'6" & 40' flat cars kits > manufactured by Wiseman Models Services and distributed by Howard'S > Trains. Bulkhead kits are also available. See flyer for costs, > details & pictures - I just uploaded the flyer in the files > section. > > Convention info: > > January 29-31, 2009 > Hyatt Regency Santa Clara > 5101 Great America Parkway > Santa Clara, CA 95054 > Reservations: 800-233-1234 > Hotel Switchboard: 408-200-1234 > Hotel Fax: 408-980-3939 > > Admission: $25 for registrations postmarked by 12/31/2008; $30 at > the door > > Table Rentals: $35/table if registration is postmarked by 12/31/08; > $45 after 12/31/08, electrical hook up is free. > > Go here for additional information: > http://www.oscalewest.com/osw2009.html > > Questions, please contact John Gibson at gibson@...; Bill > McClung at BillRC1@...; Lee Johnson at leemax@...; or Howard > Sheffield at hjsheff@... for information and registration > packets. > > Look forward to seeing you at the show. > > OSW+S Convention Committee, > > John Gibson > Lee Johnson > Bill McClung > Howard Sheffield >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51618	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse

My guess is that either the fingers are not making good contact with the drum or the drum itself is dirty. Make sure the little copper contacts on the drum are as clean as you can get them. Those fingers can look like they are making contact when they're not. It's a good idea to bend them down just a bit before you install them to insure good contact. E-units can be frustrating! Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> > I have a newly-acquired 290 that only goes in reverse. It has new > fingers on the reverse unit and the wiring has been tested many, > many times now. It matches the diagrams posted at the Port Lines > site for 4 wire locomotives. > > It shows the same AC voltage across the brush tubes in 2 of the 4 > positions as it should. In what should be the forward position it > just buzzes, almost inaudibly. Of course in the reverse position it > runs great. I have not re-brushed it or polished the commutator > yet. The armature windings look to have some melted deposit on ine > of the lobes. It reminds me of what it looked like when I epoxied > slot-car armatures back in the day. > > I checked the reverse unit against a 356 to verify that I oriented > the new fingers properly. The centered ones on the bottom and the > offset on the top, right? > > I am sure someone here has encountered this problem. Any ideas? > Maybe this is a can motor candidate? > > Thanks! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51619	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Well, you're bound to feel "at home" with this group! A. Most of us fire up our steamers to just to "fire up" our fond childhood memories! B. Many of us found that a 4 X 8 layout wasn't big enough - but most of started out with one! C. Regardless of how big your basement is, it's never big enough! D. Many of us have wives that keep us in line. But, heck, that's their job! Otherwise the trains would be running in the kitchen, dining room, living room, and maybe even the bedrooms! Welcome aboard! Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "majordadsage" <majordadsage@...> > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I also > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than the old > reversing units. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get some > suggestions from the group. > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a local or > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in Indiana but, I > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The club's home > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51620	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Hello, the group, and I would like to know your first name?? Now on to the layout. What you need to ask is how big an area will my wife let me have, and what do I want in the way of a layout. Do you want to run two trains at one time? If you make it small you may grow out of it fast. You don't want war with the wife, but once she lets you know the if's, and's or but's. Then you can get started. I just made a ovel for a friend, and that is about 6X4 and that's it. It's more for the grandkids, and him to run. That is why the layout is so small. The reason I told you about the grandkids playing with the trains is if you have any grandkids that may come over to see you, and her. This may get her to give in more of the space down there for the layout. Good luck, and have fun with the trains from your passed. Clayton Milwaukie OR. --- On Sat, 12/27/08, majordadsage <majordadsage@...> wrote: > From: majordadsage <majordadsage@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] New Member > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 6:56 AM > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam > Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they > run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I > also > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than > the old > reversing units. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not > sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at > Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get > some > suggestions from the group. > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a > local or > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in > Indiana but, I > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The > club's home > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned > about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51621	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "majordadsage" <majordadsage@...> wrote: > First of all start by setting things straight .....tell her she has control of the house ....excluding the train area ....remind her that she has the entire kitchen and laundry area....and mutaual use areas such as the living room dinning room and bedroom....therefore any area you decide is for trains is out of her jurisdiction this will clarify how YOU run the house..................PS.... watch out for flying objects ....... > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I also > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than the old > reversing units. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get some > suggestions from the group. > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a local or > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in Indiana but, I > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The club's home > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51622	From: jim patterson	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Hi. Welcome Aboard! Question: What part of the world do you live? Suggestion: If you can locate a model train show or convention in your local area, attend it you can see what others have done to set up there layouts. If you haven't joined NASG or get the "S'gauger magazine. You can find them by google or yahoo, and search. --- On Sat, 12/27/08, majordadsage <majordadsage@...> wrote: > From: majordadsage <majordadsage@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] New Member > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 6:56 AM > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam > Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they > run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I > also > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than > the old > reversing units. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not > sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at > Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get > some > suggestions from the group. > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a > local or > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in > Indiana but, I > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The > club's home > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned > about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51623	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

OK as far as the basement goes it's all out WAR....Grab as much real estate as you can on the first landing & establish a firm beach head. Mike Who PS: Send your address & I'll send you a free bottle of smoke fluid as a new member & X-Mas & all In a message dated 12/27/2008 11:38:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kc6ktj@... writes: Hi. Welcome Aboard! Question: What part of the world do you live? Suggestion: If you can locate a model train show or convention in your local area, attend it you can see what others have done to set up there layouts. If you haven't joined NASG or get the "S'gauger magazine. You can find them by google or yahoo, and search. --- On Sat, 12/27/08, majordadsage <_majordadsage@majordads_ (mailto:majordadsage@...) > wrote: > From: majordadsage <_majordadsage@majordads_ (mailto:majordadsage@...) > > Subject: [S-Trains] New Member > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 6:56 AM > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam > Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they > run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I > also > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than > the old > reversing units. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not > sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at > Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get > some > suggestions from the group. > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a > local or > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in > Indiana but, I > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The > club's home > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned > about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need. > > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale.http://S-Scale._ (http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo) ! Groups Links > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51624	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Dear Edward, One way to locate S gauge members near you is to join the NASG and subscribe to the Dispatch. The Dispatch is an S gauge magazine and publication of the NASG that has a member directory. You can locate members by geographic area. The website for the NASG and the Dispatch is: http://www.nasg.org/ Tom P.S. Jim, don't forget running trains outdoors when possible (as well as every other place in the house)!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51625	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

about your 4 x 8 board size. mostly you are not going to use te nter of the board so cut it out. cut it in half, two 2 x 8 cut one so you have two 1 x 8 and the other to have two 2 x 4 get a 6 x 8 or a 4 x 12 it worked for me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51626	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Too much math for me...... I think I need a photo! :^) Rick On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:56 AM, n9guy@... wrote: > about your 4 x 8 board size. mostly you are not going to use te > nter of the board so cut it out. > > cut it in half, two 2 x 8 > > cut one so you have two 1 x 8 > > and the other to have two 2 x 4 > > get a 6 x 8 or a 4 x 12 > > it worked for me. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51627	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Welcome!! Don't let a small layout keep you from running trains! I wish I could bump UP to a 4x8 ! Here's a link to my LITTLE train world. http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/ Rick. On Dec 27, 2008, at 6:56 AM, majordadsage wrote: > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I also > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than the old > reversing units. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get some > suggestions from the group. > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a local or > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in Indiana but, I > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The club's home > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51628	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: My 2008 Christmas Village/Layout

Photos can be seen at: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer/bassflyer_009/ I will be adding more photos soon. I'm now running my passenger set (from '53) around the tree. My 21085 is replacing my trusty ol' 282 this year. I've having a problem with my 282. :^( That will be a different post! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51629	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Thank You

and a Merry Christmas to you too.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51630	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Don't get involved with trains!!!! It becomes habit forming by going to train shows, buying more trains that you need, joining groups like the Train Collectors Association or the S Gauge Associations, etc. JUST KIDDING! It is a great hobby, you get to met lots of nice people and makes friends with other people. Try to get your wife involved as I did with mine. She loves the trains, goes to trains shows, etc. have fun with it, as many of us in life re-find this hobby we had as a kid. Right now I am 53 and I am building my first ever S gauge layout, as S gauge has come a long way since the days of AF. There are lots of new manufacturers and people selling product. You can see the beginning of my layout at www.classictrains.com as they sell a wonderful track that is so realistic. The pictures are the early stages from a year ago. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: majordadsage To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] New Member I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam Engines that my dad bought almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they run, smoke, etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I also converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than the old reversing units. I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not sure where to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at Lowes but, I can see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get some suggestions from the group. I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a local or reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in Indiana but, I am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The club's home base is about 2 hrs from my house. I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned about "how much of the basement" is this going to need. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51631	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?

He can be a pain in the keester, some time he has Flyer for sale. He has a thing about made in America. does not like SHS & AM which are made in Asian countries. [Post edited for accuracy by moderator]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51632	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Thanks for the email.  My wife and I have reached an agreement.  She will agree as long as it is what she wants.  Sounds great to me.  I am glad she explained it so well.   I am going to increase the size to an "L" shape with both legs measuring 6'x10'.   Thanks again for getting back with me.  I have a mailbox full of replies from different group members.   John --- On Sat, 12/27/08, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Member To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 2:56 PM about your 4 x 8 board size. mostly you are not going to use te nter of the board so cut it out. cut it in half, two 2 x 8 cut one so you have two 1 x 8 and the other to have two 2 x 4 get a 6 x 8 or a 4 x 12 it worked for me. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51633	From: majordadsage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Your Welcome Emails

This group is unbelievable. What a wonderful crowd you are. You have made me feel so welcome. I am going to enjoy this and look forward to posting some photos of my progress. I took some of your suggestions of how to deal with my wife's anxiety about this "train layout". Some of you suggested I be aggressive while others were more docile. Simply put, aggessive didn't work and now she isn't very docile. She went to Wal-Mart earlier and bought another "dog house". We have two dog houses, one dog??? Thanks everyone for the GREAT welcome!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51634	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Tom,   Thanks for email.  Yes, I am going to join the NASG.    My mailbox was full when I got home.  I know I am going to enjoy the group.   Thanks Again   John --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Tom Detmer <detmer@...> wrote: From: Tom Detmer <detmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Member To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 2:52 PM Dear Edward, One way to locate S gauge members near you is to join the NASG and subscribe to the Dispatch. The Dispatch is an S gauge magazine and publication of the NASG that has a member directory. You can locate members by geographic area. The website for the NASG and the Dispatch is: http://www.nasg org/ Tom P.S. Jim, don't forget running trains outdoors when possible (as well as every other place in the house)! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51635	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

While I was grabbing "real estate" she was grabbing things to throw. Do you know how it feels to get hit on the back side with a gallon jug of laundry detergent?  It was full.    My name & address:  John Sage                                 2211 S Circle Drive                                 French Lick, IN  47432   Thanks for the emails.  I am going to enjoy the group.   John   --- On Sat, 12/27/08, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Member To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 2:44 PM OK as far as the basement goes it's all out WAR....Grab as much real estate as you can on the first landing & establish a firm beach head. Mike Who PS: Send your address & I'll send you a free bottle of smoke fluid as a new member & X-Mas & all In a message dated 12/27/2008 11:38:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kc6ktj@yahoo. com writes: Hi. Welcome Aboard! Question: What part of the world do you live? Suggestion: If you can locate a model train show or convention in your local area, attend it you can see what others have done to set up there layouts. If you haven't joined NASG or get the "S'gauger magazine. You can find them by google or yahoo, and search. --- On Sat, 12/27/08, majordadsage <_majordadsage@ majordads_ (mailto:majordadsage@ yahoo.com) > wrote: > From: majordadsage <_majordadsage@ majordads_ (mailto:majordadsage@ yahoo.com) > > Subject: [S-Trains] New Member > To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 6:56 AM > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam > Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they > run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I > also > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than > the old > reversing units. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not > sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at > Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get > some > suggestions from the group. > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a > local or > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in > Indiana but, I > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The > club's home > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned > about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need. > > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale. http://S- Scale._ (http://s-scale. org/albumsYahoo) ! Groups Links > > > ************ **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51636	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

While I was grabbing "real estate" she was grabbing things to throw. Do you know how it feels to get hit on the back side with a gallon jug of laundry detergent?  It was full.    My name & address:  John Sage                                 2211 S Circle Drive   --- On Sat, 12/27/08, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Member To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 2:44 PM OK as far as the basement goes it's all out WAR....Grab as much real estate as you can on the first landing & establish a firm beach head. Mike Who PS: Send your address & I'll send you a free bottle of smoke fluid as a new member & X-Mas & all In a message dated 12/27/2008 11:38:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kc6ktj@yahoo. com writes: Hi. Welcome Aboard! Question: What part of the world do you live? Suggestion: If you can locate a model train show or convention in your local area, attend it you can see what others have done to set up there layouts. If you haven't joined NASG or get the "S'gauger magazine. You can find them by google or yahoo, and search. --- On Sat, 12/27/08, majordadsage <_majordadsage@ majordads_ (mailto:majordadsage@ yahoo.com) > wrote: > From: majordadsage <_majordadsage@ majordads_ (mailto:majordadsage@ yahoo.com) > > Subject: [S-Trains] New Member > To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 6:56 AM > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam > Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they > run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I > also > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than > the old > reversing units. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not > sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at > Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get > some > suggestions from the group. > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a > local or > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in > Indiana but, I > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The > club's home > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned > about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need. > > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale. http://S- Scale._ (http://s-scale. org/albumsYahoo) ! Groups Links > > > ************ **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51637	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Clayton,   My name is John.  It has already grown to an "L" shape.  6'x10' one leg and the other will be 6'x10'.    I am a lucky guy.  My wife is understanding.    I appreciate your email.  My mailbox was full when I got home.   Thanks   John --- On Sat, 12/27/08, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Member To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 1:26 PM Hello, the group, and I would like to know your first name?? Now on to the layout. What you need to ask is how big an area will my wife let me have, and what do I want in the way of a layout. Do you want to run two trains at one time? If you make it small you may grow out of it fast. You don't want war with the wife, but once she lets you know the if's, and's or but's. Then you can get started. I just made a ovel for a friend, and that is about 6X4 and that's it. It's more for the grandkids, and him to run. That is why the layout is so small. The reason I told you about the grandkids playing with the trains is if you have any grandkids that may come over to see you, and her. This may get her to give in more of the space down there for the layout. Good luck, and have fun with the trains from your passed. Clayton Milwaukie OR. --- On Sat, 12/27/08, majordadsage <majordadsage@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: majordadsage <majordadsage@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] New Member > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 6:56 AM > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam > Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they > run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I > also > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than > the old > reversing units. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not > sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at > Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get > some > suggestions from the group. > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a > local or > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in > Indiana but, I > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The > club's home > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned > about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51638	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Edward,   I followed your suggestion.  I was going to attend a train show in Indianapolis next Saturday but, I won't be out of the hospital in time.  I am just glad I never showed her how to load the shotgun.  She was alright until I mentioned the kitchen and laundry area.  One of those gallon jugs of laundry detergent hurt when they are thrown at you.       Oh well, maybe a buddie can video it for me.   Thanks for the suggestions.    John --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Edward G. <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward G. <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Member To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 1:20 PM --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, "majordadsage" <majordadsage@ ...> wrote: > First of all start by setting things straight .....tell her she has control of the house ....excluding the train area ....remind her that she has the entire kitchen and laundry area....and mutaual use areas such as the living room dinning room and bedroom....therefor e any area you decide is for trains is out of her jurisdiction this will clarify how YOU run the house....... ......... ..PS.... watch out for flying objects ....... > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I also > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than the old > reversing units. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get some > suggestions from the group. > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a local or > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in Indiana but, I > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The club's home > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51639	From: John Sage	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Jim,   I live in French Lick, IN.  I am attending a show next Saturday in Indianapolis.  It is about 2 1/2 hours north.    Thanks for the email.  Yes, I will join the NASG.   John --- On Sat, 12/27/08, jim patterson <kc6ktj@...> wrote: From: jim patterson <kc6ktj@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Member To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 12:27 PM Hi. Welcome Aboard! Question: What part of the world do you live? Suggestion: If you can locate a model train show or convention in your local area, attend it you can see what others have done to set up there layouts. If you haven't joined NASG or get the "S'gauger magazine. You can find them by google or yahoo, and search. --- On Sat, 12/27/08, majordadsage <majordadsage@ yahoo.com> wrote: > From: majordadsage <majordadsage@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] New Member > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 6:56 AM > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam > Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they > run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I > also > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than > the old > reversing units. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not > sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at > Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get > some > suggestions from the group. > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a > local or > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in > Indiana but, I > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The > club's home > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned > about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need. > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale. org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51640	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse

Tim, The fact that you are getting voltage in both positions makes me think your tender is OK, and maybe your problem is some sort of binding. Can you turn the armature manually in the forward direction? If you are binding, you probably will have trouble with this. There is supposed to be a thrust washer at the front of the armature shaft that keeps the worm gear in the right place on the drive gear. I would check that. It could be worn or missing. Also, your driver linkage could also be binding, though I am not sure why it would do it in only one direction. You could check this out by unbolting the linkage from the rear driver and see if it now moves in the forward direction. I am assuming that the buzzing you hear is coming from motor and not the reverse unit. I'm not an expert, but this is where I would start. I hope these ideas help. Dale Smith Tim Benner wrote: > > I have a newly-acquired 290 that only goes in reverse. It has new > fingers on the reverse unit and the wiring has been tested many, > many times now. It matches the diagrams posted at the Port Lines > site for 4 wire locomotives. > > It shows the same AC voltage across the brush tubes in 2 of the 4 > positions as it should. In what should be the forward position it > just buzzes, almost inaudibly. Of course in the reverse position it > runs great. I have not re-brushed it or polished the commutator > yet. The armature windings look to have some melted deposit on ine > of the lobes. It reminds me of what it looked like when I epoxied > slot-car armatures back in the day. > > I checked the reverse unit against a 356 to verify that I oriented > the new fingers properly. The centered ones on the bottom and the > offset on the top, right? > > I am sure someone here has encountered this problem. Any ideas? > Maybe this is a can motor candidate? > > Thanks! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51641	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: New menber

Welcome aboard...This is a fun gang and very helpful in ALL aspects of the S gauge part of model railroading and train collecting. No space is too small, check out www.carendt.com which is the Micro Layouts website. It's great for ideas as to what you can do in even ridiculously tiny spaces, let alone 4x8 feet! And you'll pick up a lot of things about scenery, buildings, detailing and other useful stuff. Don't overlook that basic 4x8 to start! I've been in the hobby since John Allen was popular in the fifties, and have learned alot. Your first layout should NOT be a basement filling empire. The complications of building and maintaining a huge layout will usually burn out even the best among us. Better to start with what you have and add a switch that leads to the edge of the board. Use it as a siding for now, but later it can become the access to a second 4x8 section, and then a third, and so on. This is also a good way to get the wife involed and suckered into giving you space a little at a time. And then one day she'll realize that she can no longer reach anything in the basement because there's a railroad all over the place! I'm with you on going to DC power, my fleet is all DC can motored and runs great! Just remember one basic thing...Have FUN! That's what hobbies are all about. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...from my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51642	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?

Ahh, but he is so lovable. Just kidding. I was one of the lucky ones who got emails from him too. He is blocked now. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51643	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Mel's Elusive Diner...

GENTS: A few weeks afore Christmas, spurred on by the "lucky guys" in Atlanta and Cincinnati, some of us were attempting to ferret out an American Graffiti-Moments in Time Mel's Diner at Wally World. One "not-so lucky guy", as I recall, in CT had gone on a pilgrimage to multiple Wally's across the entire state and came home holding air. Isolated from the world as I am in N. AZ, I'm a "double-not-so lucky guy" with only one Wally World that, alas, had no/nada/none/zilch American Graffiti-Moments in Time anywhere on the shelves. I did locate a Mel's Diner on Amazon, but it was the one issued around 2001 that has become a collector's item going for $60, not the give-or-take $9 price those "lucky guys" from Atlanta and Cincinnati were quoting us. I even failed to turn up Mel's Diner using Wally's search engine as I'm sure others did. Well, take heart; the times they are a-changin'! Rudely thrown outta da house this AM with instructions to brave the ice and snow in 17F air to buy panty-hose at Wally's, my luck changed. Not with the panty-hose which as any beleaguered husband who has tried to purchase some knows; panty-hose have 85 variables per set and most of them are beyond male comprehension. Wally's female personnel, however, are able to decipher all those variables and point inexorably and rapidly to the precise location on the L'eggs rack. From the L'eggs rack, I scurried immediately to the toy aisles. There to my wondering eyes lay two sets of four different 1:64 American Graffiti-Moments in Time dioramas at $8.97 a pop plus our exorbitant 8.446% sales tax or $9.73. These were not present during the previous search as Wally personnel claimed no knowledge of such a product at that time. This is a bargain basement for obtaining detailing items plus you get a 1:64 car with each pack. No Mel's Diner, but here's an inventory of each: Named Country Store, 1979 Chrysler LaBaron Town & Country Wagon in red and wood veneer, exterior gas station facade diorama, soda machine, retail ice bag freezer/storage machine, 30-gal. barrel, two over flowing trash cans?, two gas pumps, garbage can, "OPEN" sign, two small containers, stack of two tires, sitting bench. The pumps and soda machine are a bit large but not objectionable while the ice bag machine is obviously too large. Named Mechanic's Shop, 1971 Mustang Sportroof in blue, car shop interior diorama, mechanic's tool chest, shelf with tool box and two small cans, wall clock showing 9:35, V8 motor, 2 oil cans, fire extinguisher, mechanic's workbench, mechanic's storage chest, sink, wastebasket, stack of three tires, oil-change catch pan, 2 jack stands, two under-car inspection ramps, small can, under car lift rack-crossmember only. Diorama includes one car-sized door with accordion roll-top. Oil cans are too big. Jack stands are a tad big. Named My Garage, 1982 Dodge Aries K car in silver, horizontal clapboard interior diorama, wheeled compressor, two under-car inspection ramps, small mechanic's tool chest, large mechanic's tool chest, engine hoist, workbench, V8 engine, fire extinguisher, three oil cans, drill press, two stacks of three tires-each, lots of signage. Oil cans are too big. Named Tire Store, 1982 Dodge Aries K car in maroon with silver accents, plain wall interior diorama, hydraulic floor jack, tire promo stand with two tires, book shelf with books, wall clock showing 9:35, four "chrome" wheels w/o tires of various sizes, large two-tiered tire rack with nine tires, one stack of three tires, floor-based tire mounting machine, lots of signage. Floor jack is too large. The maroon Dodge, Mustang, and station wagon have "American Graffiti" in small silver script on their sides. I'm guessing these might be removed with a pencil eraser or very light application of mineral spirits or MEK. So, now, y'all haul yur buns over to Wally World. Might want to call ahead as these little boogers just appeared out of nowhere. My Wally was packed today, but I just had to buy some panty-hose. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff where the snow piles are nearing seven feet and the streets are ice-covered. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51644	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/28/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51645	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

New member, Ah yes...buy your wife a nice piece of jewelry and begin negotiations for basement space on a positive note. Welcome to AF, S trains, and retirement! Dave in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of majordadsage Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 9:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New Member I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam Engines that my dad bought almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they run, smoke, etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I also converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than the old reversing units. I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not sure where to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at Lowes but, I can see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get some suggestions from the group. I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a local or reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in Indiana but, I am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The club's home base is about 2 hrs from my house. I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned about "how much of the basement" is this going to need. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1866 - Release Date: 12/27/2008 8:49 PM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51646	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Problem with Flyernel 4-8-4 Northern

My new in box Lionel 4-8-4 Northern manufacture date 7/06 makes a squeaking sound instead of chuffing. This engine smokes like a demon and the Rail Sounds are very good. I recall a thread on this site about 2 years ago when this engine first came out regarding a fix for this. I didn't follow it at the time as I was too busy restoring an AF 332 that had been dropped and had some heavy damage to the cab. Any information would help Thanks, Sam W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51647	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: My 2008 Christmas Village/Layout

Rick, You know I always love your seasonal sets and displays you put up. They may be small, but are loaded with detail and features a lot of large layouts would leave out. Thanks for sharing these with us and have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51648	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Your Welcome Emails

You're welcome John. What are friends for? I was going to add my little tale about telling my wife what we were going to do about our basement. First I wanted her to clean and scrub the walls with bleach, waterproof the block, paint a finish coat on them and then paint the floor with safety grip paint so we wouldn't slip as we were building the layout. Well, the first day I didn't see anything being done. The second day I couldn't see much progress either. The third day my left eye opened up enough to see that if something was going to be done, I'd have to get well and do it myself. Hope you enjoyed that little tale. LOL Honestly, My wife is very understanding about my need to "Play with Trains". Hope we can help you and welcome to the group. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51649	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Problem with Flyernel 4-8-4 Northern

Sam, Here is a link to the improvement of the Northern Smoke unit. http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm If it smokes ok then focus on the piston chamber to silence the squeak. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Sam and Judy Williamson Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Problem with Flyernel 4-8-4 Northern My new in box Lionel 4-8-4 Northern manufacture date 7/06 makes a squeaking sound instead of chuffing. This engine smokes like a demon and the Rail Sounds are very good. I recall a thread on this site about 2 years ago when this engine first came out regarding a fix for this. I didn't follow it at the time as I was too busy restoring an AF 332 that had been dropped and had some heavy damage to the cab. Any information would help Thanks, Sam W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51650	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: My 2008 Christmas Village/Layout

Thanks Carlton!! Happy New Year to you and yours!!! Rick. On Dec 27, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Crpntr12449@... wrote: > > > Rick, You know I always love your seasonal sets and displays you > put up. > They may be small, but are loaded with detail and features a lot of > large > layouts would leave out. Thanks for sharing these with us and have > a Merry > Christmas and a Happy New Year. > > > Carlton > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51651	From: cornwall9	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

First I say WELCOME to the group. >> > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I've been a model railroader for a loooooong time. My main interest is HO scale but I also have a fair amount of S Guage American Flyer. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get some > suggestions from the group. I too have recently retired and while building my second "permanent" layout in HO, I realized that my "eyes were bigger than my stomach" and cut back my plans on the mega-layout to a smaller one that has a better chance of being completed. It will still take up 75% of my 24' X 48' basement as did my last layout but I have revised the second level to use my American Flyer equipment. It is also from when I was a kid and also part of it was my father's. > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need. > I am also the guy that won the prixe for a wife. When we got married 32 years ago, she already knew my other love was for trains. She accepted it and encouraged the one hobby that would keep me close to home. It has obviously worked. In the first home we owned, she determined the height of the duck-under that she needed to be able to access her washer and dryer every time she did laundry. During our first year of marriage, she learned how to ballast track so we could spend more time together having fun instead of vegetating in front of the TV every night. (We had no money to go out partying). The last layout, she did most of the scenery, including painting rock castings and making over 400 puff-ball trees. My suggestion is simple. If your lovely bride is concerned about the space you need for the layout, discuss your plans with her. Design it on paper first and ask her for her help. If the basement is a "family" area, your hobby can help bring the family together. If it is not her cup of tea, perhaps some sort of happy medium can be found that will be a compromise. Remind her that the time spent working on your layout is also time you spend at home. Most bars and disreputable places are open late and would love to have your honored presence there as well as your money. The choice is dependent upon whether she would like you around the house or not. It's hard to get into trouble when you are in your own home. Not impossible, but difficult unless you really try. My opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it. Regards, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51652	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse

Thanks to all for your help! Running great in both directions now! The reverse unit held the culprit. There was a tiny, and I mean tiny, hair of wire between the top two fingers. (tin whiskers?) With that gone it runs great both ways. With a polished reverse unit drum new fingers, brushes and springs it runs even better. Thanks again. Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51653	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

HI John, I can tell by your responses that you will fit right in here! Welcome aboard! One other option is to get her to help you with the scenery, especially if she has the artistic bent in the family (My Linda doesn't, but she's really good at being supportive and understanding--no I don't know what the secret is, guess I was just lucky). One other option--use a ruler that has been stretched a bit :) "But dear, it read 8', honest!" Now my layout doesn't get to be started until I finish the house, or at least the living/great room area! S'incerely, David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51654	From: plimo117	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Confused .Maybe Some One Can Help?

Its been sometime since I posted here. Wiring the layout - trial and error - learning as Im going along. Have three loops - all joined with turnouts (American Models track and turnouts - very pleased) Fourth loop is above in an over under arrangement. Crossovers join all the loops which are isolated with insulators Ran bus wires for each loop with feeders. Havent attempted yet to tie in all the transformers (old Gilbert) No plans right now for anything other than conventional AC running. Heres the mystery Im trying to solve right now Trying to create blocks on a passing sidings using Atlas connectors First used insulators to isolate track on siding but its still hot Replaced insulators and cut track - still hot! Why??? I know American models turnouts are hot both ways, but why is there still power going thru siding if rail has been cut? Do I need to cut gaps on both ends of siding? By the way, My experience is limited to slapping a couple of wires to the track and using flyer switches so this is all new to me and Im getting on the job training to say the least Thanks in advance Happy Holidays Paul Branford CT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51655	From: D. Winslow	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Mel's Elusive Diner...

All or most of the American Graffiti-Moments are also available on line, and for something like $7. I posted the link some time ago, don't have it right now, but it can be found searching under my name. Dave W. Gerry Evans wrote: > > > GENTS: > A few weeks afore Christmas, spurred on by the "lucky guys" in Atlanta > and Cincinnati, some of us were attempting to ferret out an American > Graffiti-Moments in Time Mel's Diner at Wally World. One "not-so lucky > guy", as I recall, in CT had gone on a pilgrimage to multiple Wally's > across the entire state and came home holding air. Isolated from the > world as I am in N. AZ, I'm a "double-not-so lucky guy" with only one > Wally World that, alas, had no/nada/none/zilch American Graffiti-Moments > in Time anywhere on the shelves. I did locate a Mel's Diner on Amazon, > but it was the one issued around 2001 that has become a collector's item > going for $60, not the give-or-take $9 price those "lucky guys" from > Atlanta and Cincinnati were quoting us. I even failed to turn up Mel's > Diner using Wally's search engine as I'm sure others did. > > Well, take heart; the times they are a-changin'! > > Rudely thrown outta da house this AM with instructions to brave the ice > and snow in 17F air to buy panty-hose at Wally's, my luck changed. Not > with the panty-hose which as any beleaguered husband who has tried to > purchase some knows; panty-hose have 85 variables per set and most of > them are beyond male comprehension. Wally's female personnel, however, > are able to decipher all those variables and point inexorably and > rapidly to the precise location on the L'eggs rack. > > >From the L'eggs rack, I scurried immediately to the toy aisles. There > to my wondering eyes lay two sets of four different 1:64 American > Graffiti-Moments in Time dioramas at $8.97 a pop plus our exorbitant > 8.446% sales tax or $9.73. These were not present during the previous > search as Wally personnel claimed no knowledge of such a product at that > time. This is a bargain basement for obtaining detailing items plus you > get a 1:64 car with each pack. No Mel's Diner, but here's an inventory > of each: > > Named Country Store, 1979 Chrysler LaBaron Town & Country Wagon in red > and wood veneer, exterior gas station facade diorama, soda machine, > retail ice bag freezer/storage machine, 30-gal. barrel, two over flowing > trash cans?, two gas pumps, garbage can, "OPEN" sign, two small > containers, stack of two tires, sitting bench. The pumps and soda > machine are a bit large but not objectionable while the ice bag machine > is obviously too large. > > Named Mechanic's Shop, 1971 Mustang Sportroof in blue, car shop interior > diorama, mechanic's tool chest, shelf with tool box and two small cans, > wall clock showing 9:35, V8 motor, 2 oil cans, fire extinguisher, > mechanic's workbench, mechanic's storage chest, sink, wastebasket, stack > of three tires, oil-change catch pan, 2 jack stands, two under-car > inspection ramps, small can, under car lift rack-crossmember only. > Diorama includes one car-sized door with accordion roll-top. Oil cans > are too big. Jack stands are a tad big. > > Named My Garage, 1982 Dodge Aries K car in silver, horizontal clapboard > interior diorama, wheeled compressor, two under-car inspection ramps, > small mechanic's tool chest, large mechanic's tool chest, engine hoist, > workbench, V8 engine, fire extinguisher, three oil cans, drill press, > two stacks of three tires-each, lots of signage. Oil cans are too big. > > Named Tire Store, 1982 Dodge Aries K car in maroon with silver accents, > plain wall interior diorama, hydraulic floor jack, tire promo stand with > two tires, book shelf with books, wall clock showing 9:35, four "chrome" > wheels w/o tires of various sizes, large two-tiered tire rack with nine > tires, one stack of three tires, floor-based tire mounting machine, lots > of signage. Floor jack is too large. > > The maroon Dodge, Mustang, and station wagon have "American Graffiti" in > small silver script on their sides. I'm guessing these might be removed > with a pencil eraser or very light application of mineral spirits or MEK. > > So, now, y'all haul yur buns over to Wally World. Might want to call > ahead as these little boogers just appeared out of nowhere. My Wally was > packed today, but I just had to buy some panty-hose. > Gerry Evans > In Flagstaff where the snow piles are nearing seven feet and the streets > are ice-covered. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51656	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: New Member

Welcome aboard! My train buddies are consistently jealous of my wife's appreciation and tolerance of the hobby. The first two rooms we renovated upon buying our home were to be the train rooms. She helped with design of the tables and allowed me to cut holes in the old plaster and lathe walls for tunnels room to room. She paints scenery, builds and details structures, attends train shows with me, and encourages me to get what I like..."after you go to that auction to buy the passenger cars..." She is amazing, but it helped that her father likes/had trains. She appreciated the hobby when she met me; she was just not sure how "into" it a person could get! As for space, don't worry if your layout initially is large or just a 4 x 8. My layout rooms are not large. My scenery is about 80% done, the layout is very presentable, and I know if I had a larger layout it would be much more daunting. I like it the size that it is because it is manageable. You can always expand later. And, like another member said, the hobby is a good one to keep you at home nights, tinkering away for hours in your own special environment, and your wife will always know where you are. Best wishes as you get more and more into your Flyer adventures... Ben in Stasburg (Train Town), PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51657	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Confused .Maybe Some One Can Help?

Paul, I'm about where you are at, but with prewar 3/16", which is 3-rail, so a lot simpler. But, yes, you would would need to isolate "both ends" of the siding - else what prevents power from coming via the "hot" turnout at the "other" end? I'm doing a 16x12 "E" shaped "vintage 1940" display layout in one corner of our antique store - just in the track-fitting stage now. We just completed moving the store across town, so I had to tear out what I had started in the old location. This time, no grades - my old locos just won't handle them with more than a car or two at most. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51658	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

That's great John! Clayton --- On Sat, 12/27/08, John Sage <majordadsage@...> wrote: > From: John Sage <majordadsage@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Member > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 3:07 PM > Clayton, >   > My name is John.  It has already grown to an "L" > shape.  6'x10' one leg and the other will be > 6'x10'.  >   > I am a lucky guy.  My wife is understanding.  >   > I appreciate your email.  My mailbox was full when I got > home. >   > Thanks >   > John > > --- On Sat, 12/27/08, clayton deich > <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Member > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 1:26 PM > > > > > > > Hello, the group, and I would like to know your first > name?? > > Now on to the layout. What you need to ask is how big an > area will my wife let me have, and what do I want in the way > of a layout. Do you want to run two trains at one time? If > you make it small you may grow out of it fast. > You don't want war with the wife, but once she lets you > know the if's, and's or but's. Then you can get > started. > > I just made a ovel for a friend, and that is about 6X4 and > that's it. It's more for the grandkids, and him to > run. That is why the layout is so small. The reason I told > you about the grandkids playing with the trains is if you > have any grandkids that may come over to see you, and her. > This may get her to give in more of the space down there for > the layout. Good luck, and have fun with the trains from > your passed. > > Clayton > Milwaukie OR. > > --- On Sat, 12/27/08, majordadsage <majordadsage@ > yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: majordadsage <majordadsage@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] New Member > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 6:56 AM > > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam > > Engines that my dad bought > > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they > > run, smoke, > > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is > great!!! I > > also > > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better > than > > the old > > reversing units. > > > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I > am not > > sure where > > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of > waferboard at > > Lowes but, I can > > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to > get > > some > > suggestions from the group. > > > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a > > local or > > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in > > Indiana but, I > > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The > > club's home > > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned > > about "how much > > of the basement" is this going to need. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51659	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Another wife story

I was lucky as well with Cindy. She likes the trains and has done some painting and other small projects. These days she doesn't get around too well, but goes to the trains shows when I display and runs trains. I was in stock car racing before and had been moneied out by the time we met, which was through a racing buddy's wife. I took her to the races on our first date. By then, I was building a '40 Ford pick up truck street rod, which she thought was much better than going back into racing. (2 attempts to drive race cars again have been met with her disapproval!) As we got to know each other, I discovered that she liked to run her uncle's Lionel trains. I had an L shaped HO layout at the time and she liked that too. After we got married, I built a small HO layout in a spare bedroom of the place we rented. Another move saw me do an N scale layout too, which she took over, while I did a couple more HO layouts. Cindy has been along for the ride for 32 years now and has loved the street rods (now gone) my racing announcing (keeps me involved) and of course, the trains (we've been in every scale there is). Her father was alcoholic, so the fact that I hang out at the hobby shop instead of the bar appealed to her from the start! We live in a mobile home and space for a layout is limited, so several years ago I started building portable display layouts to take to shows, one of which is being built right now on the kitchen bar! I feel extrememly lucky to have stumbled onto this woman! Stumpy Stone...fortunate in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51660	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Confused .Maybe Some One Can Help?

American Models turnouts unlike AF turnouts, the track voltage is not switched by the direction of the turnouts points. You have to provide some type of block control for the normal and diverging route track power. This can be done by the turnout's point movement device or by block voltage control toggle switch. As to the isolation of the passing siding think of the track as having a north and south rail. The siding will have a common return powered rail and a hot rail. Once you determine which is the common return rail, North, or South rail on your layout, this scheme will be used on the entire layout. So which ever rail is your hot rail it will need to be isolated on each end of the passing siding either by gapping cut or insulators. Then power will have to be provided to the hot rail by a block control device or toggle switch. You do not need to isolate both rails on the passing siding. The only place you need to isolate both rails is in a reverse loop situation. That is where the north and sound rail would meet at a junction some where. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of plimo117 Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:00 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Confused .Maybe Some One Can Help? Its been sometime since I posted here. Wiring the layout - trial and error - learning as Im going along. Have three loops - all joined with turnouts (American Models track and turnouts - very pleased) Fourth loop is above in an over under arrangement. Crossovers join all the loops which are isolated with insulators Ran bus wires for each loop with feeders. Havent attempted yet to tie in all the transformers (old Gilbert) No plans right now for anything other than conventional AC running. Heres the mystery Im trying to solve right now Trying to create blocks on a passing sidings using Atlas connectors First used insulators to isolate track on siding but its still hot Replaced insulators and cut track - still hot! Why??? I know American models turnouts are hot both ways, but why is there still power going thru siding if rail has been cut? Do I need to cut gaps on both ends of siding? By the way, My experience is limited to slapping a couple of wires to the track and using flyer switches so this is all new to me and Im getting on the job training to say the least Thanks in advance Happy Holidays Paul Branford CT ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51661	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: New You Tube videos

Yes, you guessed it. I have placed new videos on YouTube. If you are tiring of this, take heart, I go back to work tomorrow so next weekend will be the soonest I can make more. Future plans call for a Southern TOFC pulled by an ABA set of AM F7s and a tank car unit train either pulled by a U25 or GP30 or F7, or some combination thereof. As for todays trains, there are three: 1) A ficticious Southern unit train conisting of all covered hoppers. The engines include an American Models RS3 custom decorated using S scale decals, and a Flyonel GP7 coverted to DC. The covered hoppers run the gamat from redecorated orginal Flyer, to American Models, factory decorated and custom decorated with my decals, SHS - same, and Pacific Rail custom decorated with my decals. Some of the cars would never have run in the same period as others. The last few cars are all contemporary - Winchester & Western, Buckingham Branch, (decorated with my decals), and Marland Midland purchased at the Baltimore NASG convention a couple years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQqkdpvRhYk 2) N&W 40 car coal drag pulled by 3 AM GP9s in original post-steam paint scheme. I used to see many of these go by my house in Petersburg Virginia when I was a teenager. The cars are an assortment of AM and SHS, some I decorated with Clover House dry transfers. The caboose is scratch built. SHS has new 55 ton hoppers in their current catalogue, so this train will be longer next year. Let me know if you have trouble viewing this video. I lost my connection during the upload process, but the video works for me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZr50JD2UtY 3) A Virginian 25 car coal drag pulled by 3 American Models H-24-66 Trainmasters. The sound is in the first coal car. The cars are a mixture of AM, SHS, Bachman On30 converted to S gauge, and one orginal Flyer gondola redecorated. Again, the caboose is scratch built. I never actually saw a Virginian train other than in old movies, but I understand this menagarie was typical of Virginian. I hope someone produces some Virginian Battleship gons in S someday. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA6BwtKtQcc Have a safe and happy new year. Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51662	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

Count me among the lucky enough to have a wife that loves trains as much as we do.  My Cathy grew up with a model railroading brother who taught her to hand lay HO track and build scenery. (still a bone of contention between us, I'm ok with using sectional track and she teases me that 'real men' lay their own track.  :)   We've had many a layout over the years, and hope to build a nice new one once we move again in 2009.  I think it's time for a nice S gauge layout.  I'll keep Cat happy with a smaller HOn3 layout in the family room.   Tulsa Tony --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Another wife story To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 10:01 AM I was lucky as well with Cindy. She likes the trains and has done some painting and other small projects. These days she doesn't get around too well, but goes to the trains shows when I display and runs trains. I was in stock car racing before and had been moneied out by the time we met, which was through a racing buddy's wife. I took her to the races on our first date. By then, I was building a '40 Ford pick up truck street rod, which she thought was much better than going back into racing. (2 attempts to drive race cars again have been met with her disapproval! ) As we got to know each other, I discovered that she liked to run her uncle's Lionel trains. I had an L shaped HO layout at the time and she liked that too. After we got married, I built a small HO layout in a spare bedroom of the place we rented. Another move saw me do an N scale layout too, which she took over, while I did a couple more HO layouts. Cindy has been along for the ride for 32 years now and has loved the street rods (now gone) my racing announcing (keeps me involved) and of course, the trains (we've been in every scale there is). Her father was alcoholic, so the fact that I hang out at the hobby shop instead of the bar appealed to her from the start! We live in a mobile home and space for a layout is limited, so several years ago I started building portable display layouts to take to shows, one of which is being built right now on the kitchen bar! I feel extrememly lucky to have stumbled onto this woman! Stumpy Stone...fortunate in Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51663	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Confused .Maybe Some One Can Help?

your remark "Do I need to cut gaps in both ends of the siding"  has me wondering.   as a siding only has one end.  with a bumper hopefully.   If you are using Flyer track is there not a switch showing one train and two train position?   just slide the the switch and that should stop current from passing until the switch is directed into the siding. --- On Sun, 12/28/08, plimo117 <plimo7@...> wrote: From: plimo117 <plimo7@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Confused .Maybe Some One Can Help? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 6:59 AM Its been sometime since I posted here. Wiring the layout - trial and error - learning as Im going along. Have three loops - all joined with turnouts (American Models track and turnouts - very pleased) Fourth loop is above in an over under arrangement. Crossovers join all the loops which are isolated with insulators Ran bus wires for each loop with feeders. Havent attempted yet to tie in all the transformers (old Gilbert) No plans right now for anything other than conventional AC running. Heres the mystery Im trying to solve right now Trying to create blocks on a passing sidings using Atlas connectors First used insulators to isolate track on siding but its still hot Replaced insulators and cut track - still hot! Why??? I know American models turnouts are hot both ways, but why is there still power going thru siding if rail has been cut? Do I need to cut gaps on both ends of siding? By the way, My experience is limited to slapping a couple of wires to the track and using flyer switches so this is all new to me and Im getting on the job training to say the least Thanks in advance Happy Holidays Paul Branford CT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51664	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: World's Scariest Model Train Wrecks

I finally watched the entire video. Cracks me up. "Red Pullman" .... great name! http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=rC8VzVmNPOI&feature=related Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51665	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

How did she get a hold of the laundry detergent?   after you do the laundry hide the jug next time. --- On Sat, 12/27/08, John Sage <majordadsage@...> wrote: From: John Sage <majordadsage@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Member To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 5:21 PM While I was grabbing "real estate" she was grabbing things to throw. Do you know how it feels to get hit on the back side with a gallon jug of laundry detergent?  It was full.    My name & address:  John Sage                                 2211 S Circle Drive                                 French Lick, IN  47432   Thanks for the emails.  I am going to enjoy the group.   John   --- On Sat, 12/27/08, anormal1@aol. com <anormal1@aol. com> wrote: From: anormal1@aol. com <anormal1@aol. com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Member To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 2:44 PM OK as far as the basement goes it's all out WAR....Grab as much real estate as you can on the first landing & establish a firm beach head. Mike Who PS: Send your address & I'll send you a free bottle of smoke fluid as a new member & X-Mas & all In a message dated 12/27/2008 11:38:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kc6ktj@yahoo. com writes: Hi. Welcome Aboard! Question: What part of the world do you live? Suggestion: If you can locate a model train show or convention in your local area, attend it you can see what others have done to set up there layouts. If you haven't joined NASG or get the "S'gauger magazine. You can find them by google or yahoo, and search. --- On Sat, 12/27/08, majordadsage <_majordadsage@ majordads_ (mailto:majordadsag e@ yahoo.com) > wrote: > From: majordadsage <_majordadsage@ majordads_ (mailto:majordadsag e@ yahoo.com) > > Subject: [S-Trains] New Member > To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@ yahoogroup s.com) > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 6:56 AM > I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam > Engines that my dad bought > almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they > run, smoke, > etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I > also > converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than > the old > reversing units. > > I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not > sure where > to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at > Lowes but, I can > see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get > some > suggestions from the group. > > I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a > local or > reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in > Indiana but, I > am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The > club's home > base is about 2 hrs from my house. > > I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned > about "how much > of the basement" is this going to need. > > > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://S-Scale. http://S- Scale._ (http://s-scale. org/albumsYahoo) ! Groups Links > > > ************ **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51666	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Who is this guy?

I think he was banded from s-trains maybe a year ago. but he still sends stuff for sale. --- On Thu, 12/25/08, Eric R. <northline@...> wrote: From: Eric R. <northline@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Who is this guy? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 5:09 PM He seems to send me one of his emails whenever I have something for sale especially on AvailableSgauge. Responding just gets more responses. I attached his email to junk email box on outlook and literally delete the problem. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. From: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Bill Drake Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Who is this guy? Many of us have heard from him. He certainly forcefully expresses his opinions. Bill Drake Temporarily in Seattle but normally in St. Louis - both cold and snowy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51667	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Bailout!

I say AMEN to that brother --- On Thu, 12/25/08, Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bailout! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 1:35 AM Different era, different time. That was when people and companies actually accepted responsibility for their self-induced problems, instead of blaming others for their transgressions. I can't tell you how I yearn for those days. The "me" generation, self-absorbed parasites of today make me sick and thankful that I don't have to raise kids in this era. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@aol. com To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bailout! Too bad the bailouts weren't around for Gilbert....Mike Who In a message dated 12/23/2008 4:45:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, YardMasterModels@ aol.com writes: That's good stuff!!! -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone <_mrstumpy@comcast. mrs_ (mailto:mrstumpy@comcast. net) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogrou pS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com) Sent: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:06 am Subject: [S-Trains] Bailout! Ladies and gentlemen, as the President of Beheamoth Industries it is my duty to infoprm you that I will soon be going before Congress to ask for a handout, oops, bailout of the corporation. I have come to realise that, like General Motors, our company is bloated with management deadbeats, our Product Planning Department has been taken over by bean counters who have cut the quality of our product to the point that it falls apart before it is paid for, and the Advertising staff is running out of ideas to sell the same crap with a new look every few years. Upper management is so insulated from assembly and sales, that we don't have a clue where the plants and sales offices are. We have lost direction and now are more interested in impressing stockholders and making money that we have forgotten what the product is and why a customer buys it. Using our workers as an reason for poor design and quality, and blaming their huge wages and benefits as the excuse is wearing so thin that many people can see through it. Therefore, I am off to Washington to get a bailout. I have no doubt that I will be successful, after all the government has already flushed billions to the Financial industry who got us into this mess to start with! I have also heard that the Oil Industry, despite mind bending profits is preparing their own bailout strategy now that gasoline prices are going down. I'm leaving tonight to beat them to D.C.! I see no reason to chnage the way our company is run or the compensation upper management receives. Rufus T. Monygrubber, President, Beheamoth Industries. B.S...er, P.S. I have recieved word that our largest stockholder, Mr. T.M. Stone is threatening to streamline this corporation as he did Flatulene Fuels a few years ago. Our phoney baloney jobs are on the line! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************ **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51668	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas To All

setting up n Marion Iowa soon, pre war Flyer in ' 0 ' --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Coopers <acgtx@...> wrote: From: Coopers <acgtx@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Merry Christmas To All To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 11:59 PM Good Evening! I have enjoyed the correspondence from everyone on a variety of Flyer issues/topics since joining this group earlier this year, immensely. Thanks for your sharing and tech guidance. I hope that you and your loved ones thoroughly enjoy the Christmas holiday period and keep the trains rolling for all to enjoy, now and in the years to come. Best Regards Art Cooper Richardson, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51669	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Make Music

gize ?   do you mean guys? --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> wrote: From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Make Music To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 7:50 PM Happy Christmas eve to all!!!!!!!!! These fellows were on Fox this am and are just amazing. I think I'll get the album for next year. http://www.sncmusic .com/ Straight no chaser Their wonderful 12 days will start abit after you open the link, but can't do justice to how great these gize sound. Cheers!!!! Jon C Not in the egg-nog yet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51670	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

A Happy Christmas time to you and yours; and a merry new year to you for 2009 --- On Wed, 12/24/08, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Merry Christmas To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 12:24 PM Steve and Sam at S-'n-S Trains in Boise, want to wish all of you a happy Christmas time. We hope train stuff finds it's way to you. But most of all we wish you health and happiness. We also wish to thank all of you that patronized our services the past year. ************ **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol com/?optin= new-dp&icid= aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolco m00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51671	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: New You Tube videos

Keep 'em coming!  I love your videos. Having moved earlier this year from a 3000 sq ft house into a 1100 sq ft duplex, all my trains are currently in storage until the next move in 2009 into a larger house with either a basement or garage.  I visit my trains, wistfully on occasion, but yearn for the day when I can run them regularly again.   Tulsa Tony --- On Sun, 12/28/08, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New You Tube videos To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 11:38 AM Yes, you guessed it. I have placed new videos on YouTube. If you are tiring of this, take heart, I go back to work tomorrow so next weekend will be the soonest I can make more. Future plans call for a Southern TOFC pulled by an ABA set of AM F7s and a tank car unit train either pulled by a U25 or GP30 or F7, or some combination thereof. As for todays trains, there are three: 1) A ficticious Southern unit train conisting of all covered hoppers. The engines include an American Models RS3 custom decorated using S scale decals, and a Flyonel GP7 coverted to DC. The covered hoppers run the gamat from redecorated orginal Flyer, to American Models, factory decorated and custom decorated with my decals, SHS - same, and Pacific Rail custom decorated with my decals. Some of the cars would never have run in the same period as others. The last few cars are all contemporary - Winchester & Western, Buckingham Branch, (decorated with my decals), and Marland Midland purchased at the Baltimore NASG convention a couple years ago. http://www.youtube com/watch? v=QQqkdpvRhYk 2) N&W 40 car coal drag pulled by 3 AM GP9s in original post-steam paint scheme. I used to see many of these go by my house in Petersburg Virginia when I was a teenager. The cars are an assortment of AM and SHS, some I decorated with Clover House dry transfers. The caboose is scratch built. SHS has new 55 ton hoppers in their current catalogue, so this train will be longer next year. Let me know if you have trouble viewing this video. I lost my connection during the upload process, but the video works for me. http://www.youtube com/watch? v=IZr50JD2UtY 3) A Virginian 25 car coal drag pulled by 3 American Models H-24-66 Trainmasters. The sound is in the first coal car. The cars are a mixture of AM, SHS, Bachman On30 converted to S gauge, and one orginal Flyer gondola redecorated. Again, the caboose is scratch built. I never actually saw a Virginian train other than in old movies, but I understand this menagarie was typical of Virginian. I hope someone produces some Virginian Battleship gons in S someday. http://www.youtube com/watch? v=RA6BwtKtQcc Have a safe and happy new year. Wayne Beachy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51672	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

Stumpy, that is a wonderful story about your wife. You are blessed to have a wife like that. And she is blessed to have you. My wife and I are coming up on our 48th anniversay. Whatever I was in to, she joined and helped me. When I went to college at night, she took care of the kids and saw to it I had time for studies. When I was into high performance cars, she joined me. When we were looking for a house, she understood that I wanted space for my computers and trains. I too am blessed with a soulmate. A. E. Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Another wife story I was lucky as well with Cindy. She likes the trains and has done some painting and other small projects. These days she doesn't get around too well, but goes to the trains shows when I display and runs trains. I was in stock car racing before and had been moneied out by the time we met, which was through a racing buddy's wife. I took her to the races on our first date. By then, I was building a '40 Ford pick up truck street rod, which she thought was much better than going back into racing. (2 attempts to drive race cars again have been met with her disapproval!) As we got to know each other, I discovered that she liked to run her uncle's Lionel trains. I had an L shaped HO layout at the time and she liked that too. After we got married, I built a small HO layout in a spare bedroom of the place we rented. Another move saw me do an N scale layout too, which she took over, while I did a couple more HO layouts. Cindy has been along for the ride for 32 years now and has loved the street rods (now gone) my racing announcing (keeps me involved) and of course, the trains (we've been in every scale there is). Her father was alcoholic, so the fact that I hang out at the hobby shop instead of the bar appealed to her from the start! We live in a mobile home and space for a layout is limited, so several years ago I started building portable display layouts to take to shows, one of which is being built right now on the kitchen bar! I feel extrememly lucky to have stumbled onto this woman! Stumpy Stone...fortunate in Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51673	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse

TWO QUESTIONS 1] does this have 4 wires coming from the tender? try turning the plug 180 derees. 2] are you running this on a track or just running it on a test bench; may be upside down? up side down it only runs one way. ____________________________________________________________ Visa, MasterCard, AMEX & Discover. Compare Offers & Apply Online. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2Oq4MlG4ga7KRIs7VY6UFLVFiimjY2NNhsRvQiYDEntNMbp/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51674	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/28/2008, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 51675	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse

Look for the red dot of paint, and match the red dots to the jack panel. this one could have that on it. When you get it right you can put a red dot your self on the jack panel if there is none. You could use some red finger nail polish too. The reder the better! We will not tell the Mrs. if you don't. :)) There be war in this mans blood! next to the trains. ;) Clayton Milwaukie OR. --- On Sun, 12/28/08, n9guy@... <n9guy@...> wrote: > From: n9guy@... <n9guy@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 290 runs great... in reverse > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 2:31 PM > TWO QUESTIONS > > 1] does this have 4 wires coming from the tender? > > try turning the plug 180 derees. > > > 2] are you running this on a track or just running it on a > test bench; may be upside down? > > up side down it only runs one way. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Visa, MasterCard, AMEX & Discover. Compare Offers & > Apply Online. Click here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2Oq4MlG4ga7KRIs7VY6UFLVFiimjY2NNhsRvQiYDEntNMbp/ > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51676	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Christmas Open House

Some of the S gaugers in Richmond, VA went to Carlton Lowrey's house today for a Christmas Open House. Thanks to Carlton and Sandra for a great time. Carlton had a Christmas tree with Flyer track and trains going around the tree in Helix fashion. Not running of course. I think you all should prompt Carlton to post a photo of that here, if he has not already done so. We ran a very long Christmas train on Carlton's home layout which included Flyonel Christmas cars, SHS Christmas cars and custom Christmas cars produced by Nick Colleran and myself. The train was pulled by the Christmas Atlantic I just finished this week and featured the premier of our new lighted reindeer on an old Gilbert depressed center flatcar with generator. Thought the car is decorated with my decals for North Pole Power & Light, it is actually powered from track power, thanks to Nick's genious with electronics. I have placed a photo of the car lit up in my Wayne's Christmas cars photos on this group, and of course a movie of the train running on the layout, flickering lights and all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6htNjrcJps Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51677	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: New You Tube videos

Hi, I can sit for hours, and look at the videos for american flyer. Clayton --- On Sun, 12/28/08, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: > From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] New You Tube videos > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 9:38 AM > Yes, you guessed it. I have placed new videos on YouTube. > If you > are tiring of this, take heart, I go back to work tomorrow > so next > weekend will be the soonest I can make more. Future plans > call for a > Southern TOFC pulled by an ABA set of AM F7s and a tank car > unit > train either pulled by a U25 or GP30 or F7, or some > combination > thereof. > > As for todays trains, there are three: > > 1) A ficticious Southern unit train conisting of all > covered > hoppers. The engines include an American Models RS3 custom > decorated > using S scale decals, and a Flyonel GP7 coverted to DC. > The covered > hoppers run the gamat from redecorated orginal Flyer, to > American > Models, factory decorated and custom decorated with my > decals, SHS - > same, and Pacific Rail custom decorated with my decals. > Some of the > cars would never have run in the same period as others. > The last few > cars are all contemporary - Winchester & Western, > Buckingham Branch, > (decorated with my decals), and Marland Midland purchased > at the > Baltimore NASG convention a couple years ago. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQqkdpvRhYk > > 2) N&W 40 car coal drag pulled by 3 AM GP9s in > original post-steam > paint scheme. I used to see many of these go by my house > in > Petersburg Virginia when I was a teenager. The cars are an > > assortment of AM and SHS, some I decorated with Clover > House dry > transfers. The caboose is scratch built. SHS has new 55 > ton hoppers > in their current catalogue, so this train will be longer > next year. > Let me know if you have trouble viewing this video. I lost > my > connection during the upload process, but the video works > for me. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZr50JD2UtY > > 3) A Virginian 25 car coal drag pulled by 3 American > Models H-24-66 > Trainmasters. The sound is in the first coal car. The > cars are a > mixture of AM, SHS, Bachman On30 converted to S gauge, and > one > orginal Flyer gondola redecorated. Again, the caboose is > scratch > built. I never actually saw a Virginian train other than > in old > movies, but I understand this menagarie was typical of > Virginian. I > hope someone produces some Virginian Battleship gons in S > someday. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA6BwtKtQcc > > Have a safe and happy new year. > > Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51678	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Rick, What a nice layout..I'm sure your family and friends enjoy it as I did.. Thank You for posting it...Don Rodgers...St. Petersburg Fl. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: bassflyer@...: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:15:32 -0800Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Member Welcome!!Don't let a small layout keep you from running trains!I wish I could bump UP to a 4x8 !Here's a link to my LITTLE train world.http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/Rick.On Dec 27, 2008, at 6:56 AM, majordadsage wrote:> I am a "brand new" member. I have AF Steam Engines that my dad bought> almost 60 years ago. I have bought some parts and they run, smoke,> etc just like they did when I was a kid. It is great!!! I also> converted them to run on DC. I like that much better than the old> reversing units.>> I recently retired and want to build a layout but, I am not sure where> to begin. I bought a 4'X 8' sheet of waferboard at Lowes but, I can> see that this is not going to be BIG enough. I hope to get some> suggestions from the group.>> I welcome layout suggestions as well. I hope to join a local or> reasonably close S Gauge Club. I know there is one in Indiana but, I> am not sure how close I am to any of the members. The club's home> base is about 2 hrs from my house.>> I am married and needless to say, my wife is concerned about "how much> of the basement" is this going to need.>>>> ------------------------------------>> Enjoy thousands of great photos> at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51679	From: grant bishop	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Mel's Elusive Diner...

If you are ever in San Francisco, you can go to the real Mel's Diner here but last time I was there, they did not sell toys. T shirts galore and they do have good food but a little on the expensive side. Funny how I use to go there but never saw American Graffiti and didn't know it was more than a good burger joint Grant [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51680	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

Where DO you guys find these women? Roy Inman on 12/28/08 10:01 AM, Stumpy Stone at mrstumpy@... wrote: > > > > I was lucky as well with Cindy. She likes the trains and has done > some painting and other small projects. These days she doesn't get > around too well, but goes to the trains shows when I display and runs > trains. I was in stock car racing before and had been moneied out by > the time we met, which was through a racing buddy's wife. I took her > to the races on our first date. By then, I was building a '40 Ford > pick up truck street rod, which she thought was much better than > going back into racing. (2 attempts to drive race cars again have > been met with her disapproval!) > As we got to know each other, I discovered that she liked to run her > uncle's Lionel trains. I had an L shaped HO layout at the time and > she liked that too. After we got married, I built a small HO layout > in a spare bedroom of the place we rented. Another move saw me do an > N scale layout too, which she took over, while I did a couple more > HO layouts. > Cindy has been along for the ride for 32 years now and has loved the > street rods (now gone) my racing announcing (keeps me involved) and > of course, the trains (we've been in every scale there is). > Her father was alcoholic, so the fact that I hang out at the hobby > shop instead of the bar appealed to her from the start! We live in a > mobile home and space for a layout is limited, so several years ago I > started building portable display layouts to take to shows, one of > which is being built right now on the kitchen bar! > I feel extrememly lucky to have stumbled onto this woman! > Stumpy Stone...fortunate in Martins Ferry, OH. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51681	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

My wife Cory sorta tolerates my train habit, but when it came time for our new S-Gauge club to set up at the Great Train Expo a couple of weeks ago, she was there to help.  And again when we tore down, she was there to help.  Only wife in the club to do so.  We celebrated forty years together last June.  I, too, am much blessed!!! --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Tony Gervasio <trainboy59@...> wrote: From: Tony Gervasio <trainboy59@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another wife story To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 11:04 AM Count me among the lucky enough to have a wife that loves trains as much as we do.  My Cathy grew up with a model railroading brother who taught her to hand lay HO track and build scenery. (still a bone of contention between us, I'm ok with using sectional track and she teases me that 'real men' lay their own track.  :)   We've had many a layout over the years, and hope to build a nice new one once we move again in 2009.  I think it's time for a nice S gauge layout.  I'll keep Cat happy with a smaller HOn3 layout in the family room.   Tulsa Tony --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> wrote: From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> Subject: [S-Trains] Another wife story To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 10:01 AM I was lucky as well with Cindy. She likes the trains and has done some painting and other small projects. These days she doesn't get around too well, but goes to the trains shows when I display and runs trains. I was in stock car racing before and had been moneied out by the time we met, which was through a racing buddy's wife. I took her to the races on our first date. By then, I was building a '40 Ford pick up truck street rod, which she thought was much better than going back into racing. (2 attempts to drive race cars again have been met with her disapproval! ) As we got to know each other, I discovered that she liked to run her uncle's Lionel trains. I had an L shaped HO layout at the time and she liked that too. After we got married, I built a small HO layout in a spare bedroom of the place we rented. Another move saw me do an N scale layout too, which she took over, while I did a couple more HO layouts. Cindy has been along for the ride for 32 years now and has loved the street rods (now gone) my racing announcing (keeps me involved) and of course, the trains (we've been in every scale there is). Her father was alcoholic, so the fact that I hang out at the hobby shop instead of the bar appealed to her from the start! We live in a mobile home and space for a layout is limited, so several years ago I started building portable display layouts to take to shows, one of which is being built right now on the kitchen bar! I feel extrememly lucky to have stumbled onto this woman! Stumpy Stone...fortunate in Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51682	From: Christopher Burger	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Wife and trains

Another wife story! I too was fortunate for 13 years to have had a wife who loved the trains and got involved. She did the train shows with me and became so knowledgable that the guys wouldn't talk to me, they would ask her questions! She knew as much if not more than a lot of the guys who were in the club I belonged to back then. Although she left me 3 years ago I still have very fond memories of our time together and the friends that we made while doing the hobby together.  She told me I had to quit playing with the trains so much or she was leaving! God I miss her! At least after 3 years of working to get over it I still have the trains. Have started to put a layout up in my kitchen. Maybe if I can get motivated enough I will become more involed in this crazy hobby again. Happy New Year everyone. Depressed in Old North Dayton where all the jobs have dissappeared along with my ex, Christopher [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51683	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

Roy,   > Where DO you guys find these women? > Roy Inman   It's a good question. Actually, you can find a woman like this almost anywhere. The tricky part is the pre-marital research. When I proposed to my lovely bride, I made sure she was aware of my hobby and of my intent to pursue it after marriage. I also made two very important promises to her.   The first was that she would never be rich (monetarily) if she married me. If that was her goal in life, I was the wrong guy. This eliminates the materialistic women that require vast sums of money to be happy, a huge failing in my opinion.   The second promise was that if she married me, she would never have another dull day in her life after the wedding.   The most important thing about these promises is that after 32 years of marriage, I have kept these promises, as well as my wedding vows.   Prior to getting married we also set up the ground rules. One was that we wanted children. That also meant we would raise the children, not have strangers do it. This meant that one of us would stay home while the other provided the financial support. We were both raised by people that went through the first depression in the 1930's. We learned frugality and how to do without things that we didn't really need.   We also knew that a family worked together for the benefit of the family. We had some very rough times when money was tight but neither of us thought it was the other's fault. We simply worked at making ends meet.   I stayed home after work and enjoyed my family instead of hitting the clubs and night spots. We ate out when there was something special to celebrate, not as a weekly obligation. We bought groceries to make at home and she enjoyed cooking. I am living proof.   Unfortunately, not many young folks can remember the things our parents told us about surviving through the tough times. My father volunteered to fight in WWII, my brothers volunteered to fight in Korea, and I, volunteered to fight during Viet Nam. My parents were both forced to walk the railroad tracks to find coal for the cook stove to keep warm at night when they were growing up..   The short answer is that to "find" one of these ladies, you must be willing to look for them. It took me a while and several other candidates were not chosen because our mutual goals werre not the same. They are out there and remember you must also meet their expectations as well. They are very picky. They expect respect, loyalty, and love in large doses. It is really a small price to pay.   I hope this answers your question, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51684	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

In a message dated 12/28/2008 7:53:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, drmusic244@... writes: _world.http:/world.httworld.http:world.httworld.httpworld.httpworl_ (world.http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/Rick.On) Try this instead, _http://world.s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer_ (http://world.s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer) **************Don't be the last to know - click here for the latest news that will have people talking. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000021) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51685	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Rick's Trains

Sorry, try again, click on or copy and paste _http://world.s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer_ (http://world.s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer) **************Don't be the last to know - click here for the latest news that will have people talking. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000021) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51686	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: New Member

Perhaps I missed it, but I did not see a link to http://www.thortrains.net/sgauge/sglaydex.html where there are quite a few smaller layouts. Consider 5x9 which is table tennis size. There are some ping pong tables that fold up in such a way as to leave considerable space between the two folded-up panels. I am looking at a Stiga table which is pretty sturdy, has wheels, and folds up in this way. Happy hunting for the right solution for you!! JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51687	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Confused .Maybe Some One Can Help?

Mike, IIRC, a "siding" has two turnouts, and thus could/would get power through both/either. I believe it is a "spur" (single turnout) which can be simply cut off by the 1-2 slide, IF he were using AF turnouts, which he is not. So, the track DOES need to be isolated at both ends, and powered on demand, via a toggle switch.. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51688	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

I can't fined one to keep a ring on her finger if I tryed.... Clayton --- On Sun, 12/28/08, rinphoto@... <rinphoto@...> wrote: > From: rinphoto@... <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another wife story > To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 7:52 PM > Where DO you guys find these women? > > Roy Inman > > > on 12/28/08 10:01 AM, Stumpy Stone at mrstumpy@... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I was lucky as well with Cindy. She likes the trains > and has done > > some painting and other small projects. These days > she doesn't get > > around too well, but goes to the trains shows when I > display and runs > > trains. I was in stock car racing before and had been > moneied out by > > the time we met, which was through a racing > buddy's wife. I took her > > to the races on our first date. By then, I was > building a '40 Ford > > pick up truck street rod, which she thought was much > better than > > going back into racing. (2 attempts to drive race cars > again have > > been met with her disapproval!) > > As we got to know each other, I discovered that she > liked to run her > > uncle's Lionel trains. I had an L shaped HO > layout at the time and > > she liked that too. After we got married, I built a > small HO layout > > in a spare bedroom of the place we rented. Another > move saw me do an > > N scale layout too, which she took over, while I did a > couple more > > HO layouts. > > Cindy has been along for the ride for 32 years now and > has loved the > > street rods (now gone) my racing announcing (keeps me > involved) and > > of course, the trains (we've been in every scale > there is). > > Her father was alcoholic, so the fact that I hang out > at the hobby > > shop instead of the bar appealed to her from the > start! We live in a > > mobile home and space for a layout is limited, so > several years ago I > > started building portable display layouts to take to > shows, one of > > which is being built right now on the kitchen bar! > > I feel extrememly lucky to have stumbled onto this > woman! > > Stumpy Stone...fortunate in Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51689	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

Yes you are Blessed! I hope you took her out, and told her so. We need this to get around to the other girls who are still looking for some nice train buff. Like me... Clayton --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another wife story > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 10:02 PM > My wife Cory sorta tolerates my train habit, but when it > came time for our new S-Gauge club to set up at the Great > Train Expo a couple of weeks ago, she was there to help.  > And again when we tore down, she was there to help.  Only > wife in the club to do so.  We celebrated forty years > together last June.  I, too, am much blessed!!! > > > --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Tony Gervasio > <trainboy59@...> wrote: > > From: Tony Gervasio <trainboy59@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another wife story > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 11:04 AM > > > > > > > Count me among the lucky enough to have a wife that loves > trains as much as we do.  My Cathy grew up with a model > railroading brother who taught her to hand lay HO track and > build scenery. (still a bone of contention between us, > I'm ok with using sectional track and she teases me that > 'real men' lay their own track.  :) >   > We've had many a layout over the years, and hope to > build a nice new one once we move again in 2009.  I think > it's time for a nice S gauge layout.  I'll keep Cat > happy with a smaller HOn3 layout in the family room. >   > Tulsa Tony > > --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. > net> wrote: > > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@comcast. net> > Subject: [S-Trains] Another wife story > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 10:01 AM > > I was lucky as well with Cindy. She likes the trains and > has done > some painting and other small projects. These days she > doesn't get > around too well, but goes to the trains shows when I > display and runs > trains. I was in stock car racing before and had been > moneied out by > the time we met, which was through a racing buddy's > wife. I took her > to the races on our first date. By then, I was building a > '40 Ford > pick up truck street rod, which she thought was much better > than > going back into racing. (2 attempts to drive race cars > again have > been met with her disapproval! ) > As we got to know each other, I discovered that she liked > to run her > uncle's Lionel trains. I had an L shaped HO layout at > the time and > she liked that too. After we got married, I built a small > HO layout > in a spare bedroom of the place we rented. Another move saw > me do an > N scale layout too, which she took over, while I did a > couple more > HO layouts. > Cindy has been along for the ride for 32 years now and has > loved the > street rods (now gone) my racing announcing (keeps me > involved) and > of course, the trains (we've been in every scale there > is). > Her father was alcoholic, so the fact that I hang out at > the hobby > shop instead of the bar appealed to her from the start! We > live in a > mobile home and space for a layout is limited, so several > years ago I > started building portable display layouts to take to shows, > one of > which is being built right now on the kitchen bar! > I feel extrememly lucky to have stumbled onto this woman! > Stumpy Stone...fortunate in Martins Ferry, OH. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51690	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Rick's Trains

Nice photos. --- On Mon, 12/29/08, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: > From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Rick's Trains > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:28 AM > Sorry, try again, click on or copy and paste > > _http://world.s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer_ > > (http://world.s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer) > > **************Don't be the last to know - click here > for the latest news that > will have people talking. > (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000021) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51691	From: Scale S Only	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

Hi all -- OK, so how many of you guys have a wife who dislikes trains but allowed her hubby to own a hobby shop? Or, in spite of her opinions, actually wrote the check (as a gift) for a brass loco for her hubby? That's my wife, Sandie. Those who have met her will know that she is special in a lot of ways,,, Happy New Year! Bill Winans (working on 36 years married to her) My wife Cory sorta tolerates my train habit, but when it came time for our new S-Gauge club to set up at the Great Train Expo a couple of weeks ago, she was there to help. And again when we tore down, she was there to help. Only wife in the club to do so. We celebrated forty years together last June. I, too, am much blessed!!! Count me among the lucky enough to have a wife that loves trains as much as we do. My Cathy grew up with a model railroading brother who taught her to hand lay HO track and build scenery. (still a bone of contention between us, I'm ok with using sectional track and she teases me that 'real men' lay their own track. :) Etc., etc., etc....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51692	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

Now that I am fifty one my list is shorter now, and there's more out there that just want to party. I don't want to do that party stuff. Clayton --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: > From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another wife story > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 4:43 AM > Roy, >   > > Where DO you guys find these women? > > > Roy Inman >   > It's a good question. Actually, you can find a woman > like this almost anywhere. The tricky part is the > pre-marital research. When I proposed to my lovely bride, I > made sure she was aware of my hobby and of my intent to > pursue it after marriage. I also made two very important > promises to her. >   > The first was that she would never be rich (monetarily) if > she married me. If that was her goal in life, I was the > wrong guy. This eliminates the materialistic women that > require vast sums of money to be happy, a huge failing in my > opinion. >   > The second promise was that if she married me, she would > never have another dull day in her life after the wedding. >   > The most important thing about these promises is that after > 32 years of marriage, I have kept these promises, as well as > my wedding vows. >   > Prior to getting married we also set up the ground rules. > One was that we wanted children. That also meant we would > raise the children, not have strangers do it. This meant > that one of us would stay home while the other provided the > financial support. We were both raised by people that went > through the first depression in the 1930's. We learned > frugality and how to do without things that we didn't > really need. >   > We also knew that a family worked together for the benefit > of the family. We had some very rough times when money was > tight but neither of us thought it was the other's > fault. We simply worked at making ends meet. >   > I stayed home after work and enjoyed my family instead of > hitting the clubs and night spots. We ate out when there was > something special to celebrate, not as a weekly obligation. > We bought groceries to make at home and she enjoyed > cooking. I am living proof. >   > Unfortunately, not many young folks can remember the things > our parents told us about surviving through the tough times. > My father volunteered to fight in WWII, my brothers > volunteered to fight in Korea, and I, volunteered to fight > during Viet Nam. My parents were both forced to walk the > railroad tracks to find coal for the cook stove to keep warm > at night when they were growing up.. >   > The short answer is that to "find" one of these > ladies, you must be willing to look for them. It took me a > while and several other candidates were not chosen because > our mutual goals werre not the same. They are out there and > remember you must also meet their expectations as well. They > are very picky. They expect respect, loyalty, and love in > large doses. It is really a small price to pay. >   > I hope this answers your question, > Nick Kulp > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51693	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Where do you find these women

There are a lot of wonder places to find them. I really enjoyed the pursuit. I met my wife at church. Like someone else said, her dad was a great dad except he drank excessively. And I don't mean a little excessively. My wife's value system is very much like mine. Her life's goals complement mine. We share the same thoughts about a matter long before we discuss it. Our marriage is WE. She is a great nurturer. I am more the disciplinarian. Neither of us are controlling. We help each other be the best persons we can be. A second interest is genealogy. As it turns out, we share a common ancestor fourteen generations ago. Through the years we are cousins by marriage multiple times. That was quite a surprise considering we were raise 250 miles apart. Our like value systems may well be genetic. I know and am thankful that I was provided with the perfect wife for me. I never have doubted it. Recently I mentioned to her in jest that I never ever considered divorce, but murder and mayhem has gotten thought from time to time. A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51694	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Wife and trains

Chin up Christopher, you have the high road on this one. Well let me change that to "High Rail"... It's a joke only! I know your pain. Your wife did more in the way of trains with you, and for that I am truly sorry for the two of you. Clayton --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Christopher Burger <burger_christopher@...> wrote: > From: Christopher Burger <burger_christopher@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Wife and trains > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 12:21 AM > Another wife story! I too was fortunate for 13 years to have > had a wife who loved the trains and got involved. She did > the train shows with me and became so knowledgable that the > guys wouldn't talk to me, they would ask her questions! > She knew as much if not more than a lot of the guys who were > in the club I belonged to back then. Although she left me 3 > years ago I still have very fond memories of our time > together and the friends that we made while doing the hobby > together. >  She told me I had to quit playing with the trains so much > or she was leaving! God I miss her! At least after 3 years > of working to get over it I still have the trains. Have > started to put a layout up in my kitchen. Maybe if I can get > motivated enough I will become more involed in this crazy > hobby again. > Happy New Year everyone. > Depressed in Old North Dayton where all the jobs have > dissappeared along with my ex, > > Christopher > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51695	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Wife and trains

My wife and I met through a Christian connection. She was active in one church and I in another. We were introduced by a mutual friend. So the spiritual connection came first. And she likes train trips! So we're riding Amtrak whenever possible as well as planning vacations so can we sneak in a train ride - Rocky Mountaineer in Canada, Durango-Silverton in Colorado, etc. In the basement I thought I might have to renegotiate for space when the room was refinished but by adding a nice bathroom on that level that she designed and furnished, space for my trains was never in jeopardy. Give and take. One place she has drawn the line regarding trains - she warned that she will not sit for hours in a hard chair at a train show with me if I rent table space to sell trains. Happy New Year to all model and big train buffs, Dave in Maryland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51696	From: larry999970123	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Easy TMCC conversion to DCC

Mark, I reposted the photos with a larger font, but you still have to click the "Large" tab at the top of the photo to see it close enough to read the labels Larry Janeski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > I can't read any of the text in the pictures. > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of larry999970123 > Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 1:16 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Easy TMCC conversion to DCC > > I have posted a file with Instructions on converting > Af Mikado and Pacific from TMCC to DCC in the File Section. > > I have also posted photos in the Photo section under Easy TMCC > conversion of the MIkado. > > Larry Janeski > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51697	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Wiring diagram for a 466

Does anyone have a decent wiring diagram for the 466 Comet Diesel. I followed the one in the K-Line book and something seems to be missing on it. It runs fine but the reverse unit won't cycle. Thanks in advance. Jim H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51698	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Ebay

I just sold my first item on Ebay. Not a train item, but now I will sell my leftover AF track on ebay as it was real easy. My question is, how long in time, is it, before you get a invoice from Ebay for their payment? Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51699	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Where do you find these women?

Romance is always a mine field! Good ladies are out there, but, as someone pointed out, they tend to be rather discriminating about who they take up with. And why not? If they came from a messy previous marriage, they're going to be REAL careful not to get into that position again! If they were in a great relationship and their spouse died, it's a whole other emotional mine field to negotiate for them. I've observed that a woman alone and trying to raise children is under pressure to find a man. At the other end of the spectrum is the woman who has been alone a long time who just isn't all that interested in a man any longer. And remember, it's just as tough for them to find a good man as it is for us to find a good woman, and the market is tighter in both cases as we get older! Living alone for a long time, we tend to get "set in our ways," which makes a new relationship problematic as well. I was never one of those guys to run around and pick up women at bars, which is probably NOT the best idea anyway, and was happy to get married and put "the chase" behind me at age 26. If I had to do it all over again, I'm not sure I'd be as lucky a second time as I was this time! I think that as we get older and see how easy things can go wrong in a marriage, we tend to be more thankful of what we have if we were lucky enough to find a good woman. Women friends tell me the same thing from their perspective. There's no question it was easier to find a spouse when we were younger, but from my observation it's still possible to find a good one in middle age and beyond. It just takes more time and patience than ever. Best of luck in your search... Stumpy Stone...not claiming to be an expert, these are just my observations...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51700	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring diagram for a 466

Hi Jim Please try Doug Peck he may have a better one look on his web site portlines doug@... good luck Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hannawald To: S-Trains Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring diagram for a 466 Does anyone have a decent wiring diagram for the 466 Comet Diesel. I followed the one in the K-Line book and something seems to be missing on it. It runs fine but the reverse unit won't cycle. Thanks in advance. Jim H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51701	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

MIKE.... From 0 to 30 days.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- I just sold my first item on Ebay. Not a train item, but now I will sell my leftover AF track on ebay as it was real easy. My question is, how long in time, is it, before you get a invoice from Ebay for their payment? Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51702	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Mike-   Mine comes once a month. Doesn't always seem to be on the same day.   Bill Drake For some reason warm and dry in St. Louis - not complaining --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay To: "Toy Trains" <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:40 PM I just sold my first item on Ebay. Not a train item, but now I will sell my leftover AF track on ebay as it was real easy. My question is, how long in time, is it, before you get a invoice from Ebay for their payment? Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51703	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

How are they paying you? PayPal ..... or??? Maybe I"m not understanding the question. Rick. > > > My question is, how long in time, is it, before you get a invoice > from Ebay for their payment? > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51704	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Thanks Bob and Bill for the answer! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: rcon7@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay MIKE.... From 0 to 30 days.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- I just sold my first item on Ebay. Not a train item, but now I will sell my leftover AF track on ebay as it was real easy. My question is, how long in time, is it, before you get a invoice from Ebay for their payment? Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51705	From: dan87gt	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: 969 Rocket Car Part Missing

Hello, I just purchased the 969 Rocket Launching car oof eBay for my American Flyer set, previously my father's when he was a child. The car is missing the metal pin that runs thru the gray solenoid and car body with a nut on the bottom(pin the rocket sets on)..does anyone know where I can get one of these pins or does anytong have a picture?..maybe I can make one...thank you! Dan Erie, Pa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51706	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: 969 Rocket Car Part Missing

I have a photo at s-scale.org/albums, but it appears to be down! :^( Rick. On Dec 29, 2008, at 6:36 PM, dan87gt wrote: > Hello, > I just purchased the 969 Rocket Launching car oof eBay for my > American Flyer set, previously my father's when he was a child. The > car is missing the metal pin that runs thru the gray solenoid and car > body with a nut on the bottom(pin the rocket sets on)..does anyone > know where I can get one of these pins or does anytong have a > picture?..maybe I can make one...thank you! > > Dan > Erie, Pa > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51707	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring diagram for a 466

First make sure the lock out lever on the bottom is not engaged... Steve In a message dated 12/29/2008 6:22:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jhannawald@... writes: Does anyone have a decent wiring diagram for the 466 Comet Diesel. I followed the one in the K-Line book and something seems to be missing on it. It runs fine but the reverse unit won't cycle. Thanks in advance. Jim H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51708	From: John Sage	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: 969 Rocket Car Part Missing

Dan,   I just went to RFGCO.com and it looks like they have several parts for the rocket car??   Go to their webpage and click on car parts.  It is about 1/2 way down the page.   John --- On Mon, 12/29/08, dan87gt <lambdachi@...> wrote: From: dan87gt <lambdachi@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 969 Rocket Car Part Missing To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 9:36 PM Hello, I just purchased the 969 Rocket Launching car oof eBay for my American Flyer set, previously my father's when he was a child. The car is missing the metal pin that runs thru the gray solenoid and car body with a nut on the bottom(pin the rocket sets on)..does anyone know where I can get one of these pins or does anytong have a picture?..maybe I can make one...thank you! Dan Erie, Pa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51709	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Hi Rick. I got paid from the buyer, but I have not received a invoice from Ebay yet. I was told it could be up to 30 days. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay How are they paying you? PayPal ..... or??? Maybe I"m not understanding the question. Rick. > > > My question is, how long in time, is it, before you get a invoice > from Ebay for their payment? > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51710	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring diagram for a 466

Jim- I ran into this on a single-motored 466 Comet not too long ago. You're right in that the standard wiring diagrams are not correct. After much frustration, a kindly member of this group popped open his factory-wired engine and sent me the correct connections. Here's the help he sent me: (Orient the engine so that as you're looking down on it, the front of the engine is up) As you look at the e-unit, there are six contacts. The lower fingers are at the bottom, the upper fingers are in the middle, and the top two contacts. Make drawing with this pattern for those six contacts (in the shape of a six on dominos) -- 5 6 (Top of the e-unit) 3 4 (Upper fingers) 1 2 (Lower fingers) Connections: #1 -- Yellow wire running to the LEFT motor brush #2 -- Black wire running to the LEFT field wire #3 -- Red wire running to the RIGHT field wire #4 -- Black wire running to the rear truck rivet AND a short black jumper wire running to contact #5 #5 -- Black jumper wire from #5 to #4 #6 -- Green wire running to the RIGHT motor brush AND a black wire running to front truck rivet Front truck rivet also has a black wire running to the headlamp socket. Field wires on steam and diesel always go diagonally opposite fingers if you view the reverse unit from the end with the finger boards facing you. Hope these help you as they did me. Good Luck! Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> > Does anyone have a decent wiring diagram for the 466 Comet Diesel. I followed > the one in the K-Line book and something seems to be missing on it. It runs > fine but the reverse unit won't cycle. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim H. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51711	From: Justin Dancing Hawk	Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Member

Hey Ben!.... That girl got any SISTERS?!! LOL!! ~Justin On Dec 28, 2008, at 7:34 AM, Ben and Lynn Stiles wrote: > Welcome aboard! My train buddies are consistently jealous of my > wife's appreciation and tolerance of the hobby. The first two rooms > we renovated upon buying our home were to be the train rooms. She > helped with design of the tables and allowed me to cut holes in the > old plaster and lathe walls for tunnels room to room. > > She paints scenery, builds and details structures, attends train > shows with me, and encourages me to get what I like..."after you go > to that auction to buy the passenger cars..." > > She is amazing, but it helped that her father likes/had trains. She > appreciated the hobby when she met me; she was just not sure how > "into" it a person could get! > > As for space, don't worry if your layout initially is large or just > a 4 x 8. My layout rooms are not large. My scenery is about 80% > done, the layout is very presentable, and I know if I had a larger > layout it would be much more daunting. I like it the size that it > is because it is manageable. You can always expand later. > > And, like another member said, the hobby is a good one to keep you > at home nights, tinkering away for hours in your own special > environment, and your wife will always know where you are. > > Best wishes as you get more and more into your Flyer adventures... > > Ben in Stasburg (Train Town), PA > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51712	From: uvl97222	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: 969 Rocket Car Part Missing

Dan if you can't fined it any where else then send me an email. I know I have a junker in my pile. Clayton --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "dan87gt" <lambdachi@...> wrote: > > Hello, > I just purchased the 969 Rocket Launching car oof eBay for my > American Flyer set, previously my father's when he was a child. The > car is missing the metal pin that runs thru the gray solenoid and car > body with a nut on the bottom(pin the rocket sets on)..does anyone > know where I can get one of these pins or does anytong have a > picture?..maybe I can make one...thank you! > > Dan > Erie, Pa >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51713	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Mike and Bill what did they charge you for doing it? Do they go by a % of the item you sell? Clayton --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:53 PM > Mike- >   > Mine comes once a month. Doesn't always seem to be on > the same day. >   > Bill Drake > For some reason warm and dry in St. Louis - not complaining > > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Michael and Linda Marmer > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay > To: "Toy Trains" > <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:40 PM > > > > > > > I just sold my first item on Ebay. > > Not a train item, but now I will sell my leftover AF track > on ebay as it was real easy. > > My question is, how long in time, is it, before you get a > invoice from Ebay for their payment? > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51714	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Wiring diagram for a 466

Jim E. Thanks, this is what is needed. Jim H. ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wiring diagram for a 466 Jim- I ran into this on a single-motored 466 Comet not too long ago. You're right in that the standard wiring diagrams are not correct. After much frustration, a kindly member of this group popped open his factory-wired engine and sent me the correct connections. Here's the help he sent me: (Orient the engine so that as you're looking down on it, the front of the engine is up) As you look at the e-unit, there are six contacts. The lower fingers are at the bottom, the upper fingers are in the middle, and the top two contacts. Make drawing with this pattern for those six contacts (in the shape of a six on dominos) -- 5 6 (Top of the e-unit) 3 4 (Upper fingers) 1 2 (Lower fingers) Connections: #1 -- Yellow wire running to the LEFT motor brush #2 -- Black wire running to the LEFT field wire #3 -- Red wire running to the RIGHT field wire #4 -- Black wire running to the rear truck rivet AND a short black jumper wire running to contact #5 #5 -- Black jumper wire from #5 to #4 #6 -- Green wire running to the RIGHT motor brush AND a black wire running to front truck rivet Front truck rivet also has a black wire running to the headlamp socket. Field wires on steam and diesel always go diagonally opposite fingers if you view the reverse unit from the end with the finger boards facing you. Hope these help you as they did me. Good Luck! Jim E. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> > Does anyone have a decent wiring diagram for the 466 Comet Diesel. I followed > the one in the K-Line book and something seems to be missing on it. It runs > fine but the reverse unit won't cycle. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim H. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51715	From: mlprell	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.

Which, if one were to ask my Wife, I'm quite certain that she'd tell y'll that this is normally the case. That said, here's the problem. I do not understand the mechanics behing posting a topic with attached photos. I've clicked PHOTO, clicked ADD PHOTO, clicked BROWSE,OPEN and followed all of the required instructions, but I'm still unable to add these pics to a message. What am I not doing right? I've got a couple of American Flyer related Christmas 2008 pics that I'd like to share. Please help. Thanks, Mike Prell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51716	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Clayton, I think I saw a charge on my account for about 6.50 or so which includes 35 listing fee with the first picture. I sold the item as a buy it now for 49.95 and shipping 15.00. I believe the fee for buy it now is 8% while a bidding listing is 8.5%. Sadly, they are charging the percent on your shipping cost also, which I think is wrong, as much as I love ebay. I guess I will have to live with that on future sells on ebay, as it is pretty easy to do, as I have allot of old AF switches I need to get rid of that I purchased in the mid 90's. So something is better than nothing, as they sit here. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Mike and Bill what did they charge you for doing it? Do they go by a % of the item you sell? Clayton --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:53 PM > Mike- > > Mine comes once a month. Doesn't always seem to be on > the same day. > > Bill Drake > For some reason warm and dry in St. Louis - not complaining > > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Michael and Linda Marmer > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay > To: "Toy Trains" > <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:40 PM > > > > > > > I just sold my first item on Ebay. > > Not a train item, but now I will sell my leftover AF track > on ebay as it was real easy. > > My question is, how long in time, is it, before you get a > invoice from Ebay for their payment? > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51717	From: Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr.	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: need help

I recently got a train. I had to wait to get batteries, because it runs on batteries. The engines wheels won't move. It suppose to blow smoke out of its smoke stack. It only smells like its burning no smoke at all. Is there someone in this group that could help me fix it? I don't know how much I can pay you to fix it. I don't even know what gauge. It's not lionel or tyco, it's a generic kind. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!! Calvin.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51718	From: mlprell	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

"Where DO you guys find these women?" The answer that I've come to accept is that two things usually happen: #1-The gods decide to smile on us and send us a gift and/or #2-we get extremely lucky and these wonderful women find and take pity upon us. Anyway, speaking from personal experience, this is what I believe. My first wife and I went our seperate ways about eight years ago and after 3 years of being alone and quite content to be so, I had the very good fortune to become reacquainted with a woman who was once my childhood sweetheart, having first met when I was thirteen and she, twelve. Amoung common interests that we share, "Toy" trains is near the top of the list, along with politics, history, travel and other things that have helped to keep us young at heart. The thing that pleases me is that after a lifetime of hearing and not believing that "little girls weren'tsupposed to play with trains" (this from her Mom) Eileen's finally getting the chance to enjoy the fun and thrill of fulfilling a lifetime's dream, and boy is she making the best of it. We're working on a layout in our basement which we've come to call The Second Chance RailRoad. And this year, after about fifty years of not having one for Christmas, my childhood home where we now live has a Christmas train board in our living room. Nothing fancy. Just a, oval of track and a Franklyn, but nice just the same. Already we're talking about expanding the village and track for next year. So, you see, fellas. It does happen. Just never make the mistake of taking it for granted. Far too many trains have derailed by doing so. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Now that I am fifty one my list is shorter now, and there's more out there that just want to party. I don't want to do that party stuff. > > > Clayton > > > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> wrote: > > > From: Nick Kulp <cornwall9@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another wife story > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 4:43 AM > > Roy, > >   > > > Where DO you guys find these women? > > > > > Roy Inman > >   > > It's a good question. Actually, you can find a woman > > like this almost anywhere. The tricky part is the > > pre-marital research. When I proposed to my lovely bride, I > > made sure she was aware of my hobby and of my intent to > > pursue it after marriage. I also made two very important > > promises to her. > >   > > The first was that she would never be rich (monetarily) if > > she married me. If that was her goal in life, I was the > > wrong guy. This eliminates the materialistic women that > > require vast sums of money to be happy, a huge failing in my > > opinion. > >   > > The second promise was that if she married me, she would > > never have another dull day in her life after the wedding. > >   > > The most important thing about these promises is that after > > 32 years of marriage, I have kept these promises, as well as > > my wedding vows. > >   > > Prior to getting married we also set up the ground rules. > > One was that we wanted children. That also meant we would > > raise the children, not have strangers do it. This meant > > that one of us would stay home while the other provided the > > financial support. We were both raised by people that went > > through the first depression in the 1930's. We learned > > frugality and how to do without things that we didn't > > really need. > >   > > We also knew that a family worked together for the benefit > > of the family. We had some very rough times when money was > > tight but neither of us thought it was the other's > > fault. We simply worked at making ends meet. > >   > > I stayed home after work and enjoyed my family instead of > > hitting the clubs and night spots. We ate out when there was > > something special to celebrate, not as a weekly obligation. > > We bought groceries to make at home and she enjoyed > > cooking. I am living proof. > >   > > Unfortunately, not many young folks can remember the things > > our parents told us about surviving through the tough times. > > My father volunteered to fight in WWII, my brothers > > volunteered to fight in Korea, and I, volunteered to fight > > during Viet Nam. My parents were both forced to walk the > > railroad tracks to find coal for the cook stove to keep warm > > at night when they were growing up.. > >   > > The short answer is that to "find" one of these > > ladies, you must be willing to look for them. It took me a > > while and several other candidates were not chosen because > > our mutual goals werre not the same. They are out there and > > remember you must also meet their expectations as well. They > > are very picky. They expect respect, loyalty, and love in > > large doses. It is really a small price to pay. > >   > > I hope this answers your question, > > Nick Kulp > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51719	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

Mike... I usually figure about 10% as selling costs... But watch out for paypal.... I just sold an item for 700.00.... In order to get the money I have to sign up for something else or they will return the funds to the remitter.... AT ABOUT 5%.... The party is sending me the funds by check.... Bob -------------- Original message from "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- Clayton, I think I saw a charge on my account for about 6.50 or so which includes 35 listing fee with the first picture. I sold the item as a buy it now for 49.95 and shipping 15.00. I believe the fee for buy it now is 8% while a bidding listing is 8.5%. Sadly, they are charging the percent on your shipping cost also, which I think is wrong, as much as I love ebay. I guess I will have to live with that on future sells on ebay, as it is pretty easy to do, as I have allot of old AF switches I need to get rid of that I purchased in the mid 90's. So something is better than nothing, as they sit here. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Mike and Bill what did they charge you for doing it? Do they go by a % of the item you sell? Clayton --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:53 PM > Mike- > > Mine comes once a month. Doesn't always seem to be on > the same day. > > Bill Drake > For some reason warm and dry in St. Louis - not complaining > > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Michael and Linda Marmer > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay > To: "Toy Trains" > <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:40 PM > > > > > > > I just sold my first item on Ebay. > > Not a train item, but now I will sell my leftover AF track > on ebay as it was real easy. > > My question is, how long in time, is it, before you get a > invoice from Ebay for their payment? > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51720	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

This is consistent with my experience for auction type listings. The charges vary slightly depending upon how many photos, how the title is done, how long the listing is for and a bunch of other choices, but it works out about the same. Generally I find the more photos with detail, the better the item does so the extra fees are worth it. Doesn't help on track or really basic items.   Bill Drake e-train on ebay --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:11 AM Clayton, I think I saw a charge on my account for about 6.50 or so which includes 35 listing fee with the first picture. I sold the item as a buy it now for 49.95 and shipping 15.00. I believe the fee for buy it now is 8% while a bidding listing is 8.5%. Sadly, they are charging the percent on your shipping cost also, which I think is wrong, as much as I love ebay. I guess I will have to live with that on future sells on ebay, as it is pretty easy to do, as I have allot of old AF switches I need to get rid of that I purchased in the mid 90's. So something is better than nothing, as they sit here. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Mike and Bill what did they charge you for doing it? Do they go by a % of the item you sell? Clayton --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> wrote: > From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:53 PM > Mike- > > Mine comes once a month. Doesn't always seem to be on > the same day. > > Bill Drake > For some reason warm and dry in St. Louis - not complaining > > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Michael and Linda Marmer > <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay > To: "Toy Trains" > <Toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com>, S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:40 PM > > > > > > > I just sold my first item on Ebay. > > Not a train item, but now I will sell my leftover AF track > on ebay as it was real easy. > > My question is, how long in time, is it, before you get a > invoice from Ebay for their payment? > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51721	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.

Have you tryed Attach Files, and it can be the file type too. Clayton --- On Tue, 12/30/08, mlprell <mlprell@...> wrote: > From: mlprell <mlprell@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:41 AM > Which, if one were to ask my Wife, I'm quite certain > that she'd tell > y'll that this is normally the case. That said, > here's the problem. I > do not understand the mechanics behing posting a topic with > attached > photos. I've clicked PHOTO, clicked ADD PHOTO, clicked > BROWSE,OPEN and > followed all of the required instructions, but I'm > still unable to add > these pics to a message. What am I not doing right? > I've got a couple > of American Flyer related Christmas 2008 pics that I'd > like to share. > Please help. > Thanks, > Mike Prell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51722	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: need help

Calvin, It sounds like one I bought years ago at a now defunct toy store. I paid $50 for the entire set new, so if in fact yours is like mine, it is not worth fixing. You don¹t say whether the train was new or used when you got it. Condition of the set will make a lot of difference. You might try carefully cleaning the battery contacts the the battery compartment and see if that works. Also, mine has a cable that attaches between the tender and the engine and the engine won¹t run if the cable is not attached. Good luck :) Roy Inman on 12/30/08 9:51 AM, Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr. at mrcalvincevansjr@... wrote: > > > > I recently got a train. I had to wait to get batteries, because it runs > on batteries. The engines wheels won't move. It suppose to blow smoke > out of its smoke stack. It only smells like its burning no smoke at > all. Is there someone in this group that could help me fix it? I don't > know how much I can pay you to fix it. I don't even know what gauge. > It's not lionel or tyco, it's a generic kind. Any help is appreciated. > Thanks!! Calvin. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51723	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Fw: E-BAY FEES

Mike emailed me with a link for ebay fees, as now I understand that they do not add in fees for shipping, as it seem that way, as the below explains my situation and fees, even though it was a non train item, but a automotive item. I am a happy ebayer now, as next year, that is where I will put the tacky Christmas gift we get each year from in laws. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Anormal1@... Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Re: E-BAY FEES Thanks Mike, as I see now how the fee was determined. I had a automotive item for sale, at a buy it now price of 49.95, not much of a demand for a Freon substitute for R-12, so I paid 150.00 for the lot and 1/3 back in what I paid in 2003 or so was much better than nothing. LOL Automotive items are 12% as I thought it was 8%, so hence 5.99 plus .35 listing so 6.34. So I am fine with this, as I did not think they would add shipping into the picture. I am a happy ebayer again. Thanks for sending me the listing fee link. Big game for the Terrapins later. Right. LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Anormal1@... To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: RE: E-BAY FEES eBay.com Fees Try this Mike, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51724	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

I have yet to sell any thing on Ebay, but I am set to do it. Mike I have about 25 + sets of switches with the nice - lit con. A good friend, and I went in on buying out a large collection. I took all the parts, and he sold all the other high $ items. I ended up with 25 apple boxes of parts. I went to work putting a few thing together out of the parts, and made all my money back fast. I still have boxes of tender shells- eng- shells too. Also other junk as well. I have been working on itemizing all the parts, but that take up space like the layout. The last I had heard the man passed away that sold all that stuff, and the kids sold off the rest of his trains, but he was going in to LGB at the end. This is how I got in on the deal for all this stuff. I knew the man that had all this AF stuff for years. Well I went in to see one of my train friends that has a store. He shows me a list of itemized stuff. A friend of his had wanted a finders fee of 10% and the pick of the stuff. He wanted me to give him an idea of the values. Well my friend shows me the list, but he tells me nun of the other parts like what I just told you. I said I know who's stuff this is! He was shocked. Who's is it then? That was strange that he did know who's this was. I Then said I want in on it. He said how much, and I said I will buy all the parts. He then said I don't care about the parts, and $500.00 was the price for me. He then made the call, and the deal was set with no one talking out side the three of us for years. Now one of the three is dead, and the man that gave the list to my friend is in a home. The two of us still think back on beating out the guys that run this area on American flyer sales. We gave the man $2500.00 for all that he had, and it was more then he was going to get from the others. There was a total of three pickup cabs, and Gemtop full to the top with stuff! Oh I have more then two friends that has there owne hobby shop. So don't try thinking who it was if you are from this area.... I had so menny people ask- do you know any thing about all that AF and where did it go? Hee Hee Hee Clayton --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:50 AM > This is consistent with my experience for auction type > listings. The charges vary slightly depending upon how many > photos, how the title is done, how long the listing is for > and a bunch of other choices, but it works out about the > same. Generally I find the more photos with detail, the > better the item does so the extra fees are worth it. > Doesn't help on track or really basic items. >   > Bill Drake > e-train on ebay > > --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Michael and Linda Marmer > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:11 AM > > > > > > > Clayton, > > I think I saw a charge on my account for about 6.50 or so > which includes 35 listing fee with the first picture. > > I sold the item as a buy it now for 49.95 and shipping > 15.00. > > I believe the fee for buy it now is 8% while a bidding > listing is 8.5%. > > Sadly, they are charging the percent on your shipping cost > also, which I think is wrong, as much as I love ebay. > > I guess I will have to live with that on future sells on > ebay, as it is pretty easy to do, as I have allot of old AF > switches I need to get rid of that I purchased in the mid > 90's. So something is better than nothing, as they sit > here. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clayton deich > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:41 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay > > Mike and Bill what did they charge you for doing it? Do > they go by a % of the item you sell? > > Clayton > > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. > com> wrote: > > > From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:53 PM > > Mike- > > > > Mine comes once a month. Doesn't always seem to be > on > > the same day. > > > > Bill Drake > > For some reason warm and dry in St. Louis - not > complaining > > > > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Michael and Linda Marmer > > <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: > > > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. > com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay > > To: "Toy Trains" > > <Toytrains@yahoogrou ps.com>, > S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just sold my first item on Ebay. > > > > Not a train item, but now I will sell my leftover AF > track > > on ebay as it was real easy. > > > > My question is, how long in time, is it, before you > get a > > invoice from Ebay for their payment? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51725	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.

Mike, Yahoo groups does not let you send attached files on an email to the group. You need to put them in the Photo section of the S-Trains group then we can see them. Jim H. ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton deich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help. Have you tryed Attach Files, and it can be the file type too. Clayton --- On Tue, 12/30/08, mlprell <mlprell@...> wrote: > From: mlprell <mlprell@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:41 AM > Which, if one were to ask my Wife, I'm quite certain > that she'd tell > y'll that this is normally the case. That said, > here's the problem. I > do not understand the mechanics behing posting a topic with > attached > photos. I've clicked PHOTO, clicked ADD PHOTO, clicked > BROWSE,OPEN and > followed all of the required instructions, but I'm > still unable to add > these pics to a message. What am I not doing right? > I've got a couple > of American Flyer related Christmas 2008 pics that I'd > like to share. > Please help. > Thanks, > Mike Prell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51726	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: need help

This might sound dumb, But did you put fluid in it? Mike In a message dated 12/30/2008 9:19:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: Calvin, It sounds like one I bought years ago at a now defunct toy store. I paid $50 for the entire set new, so if in fact yours is like mine, it is not worth fixing. You don¹t say whether the train was new or used when you got it. Condition of the set will make a lot of difference. You might try carefully cleaning the battery contacts the the battery compartment and see if that works. Also, mine has a cable that attaches between the tender and the engine and the engine won¹t run if the cable is not attached. Good luck :) Roy Inman on 12/30/08 9:51 AM, Mr. Calvin C. Evans Jr. at _mrcalvincevansjr@mrcalvinc_ (mailto:mrcalvincevansjr@...) wrote: > > > > I recently got a train. I had to wait to get batteries, because it runs > on batteries. The engines wheels won't move. It suppose to blow smoke > out of its smoke stack. It only smells like its burning no smoke at > all. Is there someone in this group that could help me fix it? I don't > know how much I can pay you to fix it. I don't even know what gauge. > It's not lionel or tyco, it's a generic kind. Any help is appreciated. > Thanks!! Calvin. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51727	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.

You right Mike... --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote: > From: Jim Hannawald <jhannawald@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 9:45 AM > Mike, > > Yahoo groups does not let you send attached files on an > email to the group. You need to put them in the Photo > section of the S-Trains group then we can see them. > > > Jim H. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clayton deich > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I'm A Bit Confused. Please > Help. > > > Have you tryed Attach Files, and it can be the file type > too. > > Clayton > > --- On Tue, 12/30/08, mlprell <mlprell@...> > wrote: > > > From: mlprell <mlprell@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] I'm A Bit Confused. Please > Help. > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:41 AM > > Which, if one were to ask my Wife, I'm quite > certain > > that she'd tell > > y'll that this is normally the case. That said, > > here's the problem. I > > do not understand the mechanics behing posting a > topic with > > attached > > photos. I've clicked PHOTO, clicked ADD PHOTO, > clicked > > BROWSE,OPEN and > > followed all of the required instructions, but > I'm > > still unable to add > > these pics to a message. What am I not doing right? > > I've got a couple > > of American Flyer related Christmas 2008 pics that > I'd > > like to share. > > Please help. > > Thanks, > > Mike Prell > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51728	From: cornwall9	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: New photos posted

Friends, I have posted photos of my restored 312 running under the Christmas tree. It was purchased from a seller on ebay, lakay63. Warning, do not buy from this crook. The loco had no padding and loco and tender were packed against each other. The loco frame was broken, the drawbar screw was sheared off, the coupler was snapped off, and the ladder on the tender was also broken. I had to pay with a MO and they refused to make even a partial repayment when I told them it was damaged because of their poor packing. It was also my first ebay Flyer purchase. I purchased the repair parts at York and added the new trailing truck and replaced the smoke element. She runs sweet now and smokes like a champ. I also posted a couple of shots of my new HO scale layout that is under construction. The PRR Q2 4-4-6-4 is pulling a 60 car hopper train. The train was over 15 feet long. I hope you enjoy the photos. Happy New Year, Nick Kulp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51729	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

clayton deich wrote: > > > I have yet to sell any thing on Ebay, but I am set to do it. I've been an eBayer since something like 1998, both as a buyer and a seller. Unfortunately the fees and commissions have gotten so high that it is hard to be competitive any more. Just for fun, if you have a large pile of AF parts, make up a list and what you would like to get for them. Send it to anyone that asks on the list and I'll bet you could make more than having to deal with the eBay fees. I know I would be interested in some bits and pieces to build or repair existing trains. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51730	From: John Sage	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ebay

I would probably be interested in some of the stuff.   John --- On Tue, 12/30/08, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 1:01 PM I have yet to sell any thing on Ebay, but I am set to do it. Mike I have about 25 + sets of switches with the nice - lit con. A good friend, and I went in on buying out a large collection. I took all the parts, and he sold all the other high $ items. I ended up with 25 apple boxes of parts. I went to work putting a few thing together out of the parts, and made all my money back fast. I still have boxes of tender shells- eng- shells too. Also other junk as well. I have been working on itemizing all the parts, but that take up space like the layout. The last I had heard the man passed away that sold all that stuff, and the kids sold off the rest of his trains, but he was going in to LGB at the end. This is how I got in on the deal for all this stuff. I knew the man that had all this AF stuff for years. Well I went in to see one of my train friends that has a store. He shows me a list of itemized stuff. A friend of his had wanted a finders fee of 10% and the pick of the stuff. He wanted me to give him an idea of the values. Well my friend shows me the list, but he tells me nun of the other parts like what I just told you. I said I know who's stuff this is! He was shocked. Who's is it then? That was strange that he did know who's this was. I Then said I want in on it. He said how much, and I said I will buy all the parts. He then said I don't care about the parts, and $500.00 was the price for me. He then made the call, and the deal was set with no one talking out side the three of us for years. Now one of the three is dead, and the man that gave the list to my friend is in a home. The two of us still think back on beating out the guys that run this area on American flyer sales. We gave the man $2500.00 for all that he had, and it was more then he was going to get from the others. There was a total of three pickup cabs, and Gemtop full to the top with stuff! Oh I have more then two friends that has there owne hobby shop. So don't try thinking who it was if you are from this area.... I had so menny people ask- do you know any thing about all that AF and where did it go? Hee Hee Hee Clayton --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> wrote: > From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:50 AM > This is consistent with my experience for auction type > listings. The charges vary slightly depending upon how many > photos, how the title is done, how long the listing is for > and a bunch of other choices, but it works out about the > same. Generally I find the more photos with detail, the > better the item does so the extra fees are worth it. > Doesn't help on track or really basic items. >   > Bill Drake > e-train on ebay > > --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Michael and Linda Marmer > <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:11 AM > > > > > > > Clayton, > > I think I saw a charge on my account for about 6.50 or so > which includes 35 listing fee with the first picture. > > I sold the item as a buy it now for 49.95 and shipping > 15.00. > > I believe the fee for buy it now is 8% while a bidding > listing is 8.5%. > > Sadly, they are charging the percent on your shipping cost > also, which I think is wrong, as much as I love ebay. > > I guess I will have to live with that on future sells on > ebay, as it is pretty easy to do, as I have allot of old AF > switches I need to get rid of that I purchased in the mid > 90's. So something is better than nothing, as they sit > here. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clayton deich > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:41 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay > > Mike and Bill what did they charge you for doing it? Do > they go by a % of the item you sell? > > Clayton > > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. > com> wrote: > > > From: Bill Drake <ee_train@yahoo. com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:53 PM > > Mike- > > > > Mine comes once a month. Doesn't always seem to be > on > > the same day. > > > > Bill Drake > > For some reason warm and dry in St. Louis - not > complaining > > > > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Michael and Linda Marmer > > <mlmarmer@msn. com> wrote: > > > > From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@msn. > com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay > > To: "Toy Trains" > > <Toytrains@yahoogro u ps.com>, > S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just sold my first item on Ebay. > > > > Not a train item, but now I will sell my leftover AF > track > > on ebay as it was real easy. > > > > My question is, how long in time, is it, before you > get a > > invoice from Ebay for their payment? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51731	From: frabilz	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Removing stickers

A few months ago I asked if anyone knew how to remove the stickers from a Franklin tender. Although I got a few replies, none really gave me a solution to the problem. Last week I figured what the heck, and immersed the shell in 50% water and Murphy's Oil Soap (I didn't have any Pine Sol) and let it soak for a week. They wiped right off with a rag, glue and all! Didn't harm the plastic or the paint. I think Pine Sol would have taken the paint off too. I don't know what Gilbert used to stick these things on, but it was really tenacious. Thought this info might be helpful to others. Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51732	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Removing stickers

frabilz wrote: > A few months ago I asked if anyone knew how to remove the stickers > from a Franklin tender. Many years ago an old AF collector showed me that WD-40 was great for getting anything sticky off a train. It seems to soften the adhesive but doesn't damage the paint or plastic. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51733	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Air Chime brakes?

I searched the posts for "diesel horn" and got the understanding that the air chime horn would supply voltage to the tracks even when the control handle is lifted. That's the way I remember my old one (30 years ago) too. The one I just hooked up does vibrate the tube but does not apply voltage when the transformer is in 'neutral'. The horn sounds when the handle is down. It sounds as good as they get. But when the train is rolling, pressing the air chime button cuts track voltage. In fact it can be used as an emergency stop. It seems intuitive that it should be adding voltage when pressed as it adds intermittent 18V to whatever the track voltage is. I'm pretty certain that it is wired up properly. The transformer controls train speed as it should, except when pressing the horn button. What do you think? Bad tube? Bad button? As always, thanks! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51734	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: uncoupler

Anyone have an easy method of installing a flyer uncopler under Gargaves track ? Ok then,just any ideas would help easy or not.Thanks in advance! Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51735	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse

It's got red dots now! Didn't even have to 'borrow' the nail polish...I found a little touch-up paint in the garage. A couple of bucks and a few hours later, that 290 is the smoothest, quietest engine I have. And a fine smoker too. It's a daily-driver for sure but a great one. Thanks to all for your help! Tim On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:35 PM, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > Look for the red dot of paint, and match the red dots to the jack panel. > this one could have that on it. When you get it right you can put a red dot > your self on the jack panel if there is none. You could use some red finger > nail polish too. The reder the better! We will not tell the Mrs. if you > don't. :)) There be war in this mans blood! next to the trains. ;) > > Clayton > Milwaukie OR. > > --- On Sun, 12/28/08, n9guy@... <n9guy%40juno.com> <n9guy@...<n9guy%40juno.com>> > wrote: > > > From: n9guy@... <n9guy%40juno.com> <n9guy@...<n9guy%40juno.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 290 runs great... in reverse > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 2:31 PM > > TWO QUESTIONS > > > > 1] does this have 4 wires coming from the tender? > > > > try turning the plug 180 derees. > > > > > > 2] are you running this on a track or just running it on a > > test bench; may be upside down? > > > > up side down it only runs one way. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Visa, MasterCard, AMEX & Discover. Compare Offers & > > Apply Online. Click here! > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2Oq4MlG4ga7KRIs7VY6UFLVFiimjY2NNhsRvQiYDEntNMbp/ > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albumsYahoo <http://s-scale.org/albumsYahoo>! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51736	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Bushings

I have several steam engines that need to have wheel bushings installed. Can you use the bushings sold for diesels for a steam engine chasis? Thanks, Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51737	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.

Yahoo groups does let you send attachments, but it is at the option of the list owner. If I recall, this option was not available at the time this list was started, but definitely is now, as I belong to other groups that do allow photos. The downside of allowing photos and other attachments is that it slows down downloads for those with slow internet connections. I raise the issue as to whether it might be time to consider allowing attachments, considering the greater prevalence of high speed connections. I think the albums are fine for photos of lasting interest, but there are many of that are only of passing interest, that could simply be viewed and discarded by the members as they see fit. Dale Smith Jim Hannawald wrote: > > Mike, > > Yahoo groups does not let you send attached files on an email to the > group. You need to put them in the Photo section of the S-Trains group > then we can see them. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51738	From: David Engle	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Air Chime brakes?

I remember being told years ago that the way it was done was to dump DC voltage into the track circuit, but that would seem to raise the overall voltage and thus the speed. Supposedly most AF engines could run on DC almost as well as AC, but of you were wanting DC control, you had to hold the polarity constant in the field while you reversed the armature polarity--or was it the other way around? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Benner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Air Chime brakes? I searched the posts for "diesel horn" and got the understanding that the air chime horn would supply voltage to the tracks even when the control handle is lifted. That's the way I remember my old one (30 years ago) too. The one I just hooked up does vibrate the tube but does not apply voltage when the transformer is in 'neutral'. The horn sounds when the handle is down. It sounds as good as they get. But when the train is rolling, pressing the air chime button cuts track voltage. In fact it can be used as an emergency stop. It seems intuitive that it should be adding voltage when pressed as it adds intermittent 18V to whatever the track voltage is. I'm pretty certain that it is wired up properly. The transformer controls train speed as it should, except when pressing the horn button. What do you think? Bad tube? Bad button? As always, thanks! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51739	From: michael prell	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.

I went in and checked PHOTOS. I didn't realize it at the time but I was able to upload two under the name of PRELL STUFF. There are times when I feel like I'm back in Kindergarten!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51740	From: gettysburg9	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Source for AF resistance values?

Is there any one source which provides the resistance values for various AF armatures, fields, turnouts, etc? Just wondering as it sure would come in handy. Thanks again guys (and gals). Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51741	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: 290 runs great... in reverse

That's great Tim we are all glad you are up; and running. Clayton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51742	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/30/2008
Subject: Re: Air Chime brakes?

Not all the tubs are the same. You may have a bad tub, but you may cut them open to reajust the gaps. Also clean them too.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51743	From: The LANIERs	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Source for AF resistance values?

Yes!! Robert A. Hannon's "A.C. Gilbert's Postwar american Flyer S-Gauge Reference Manual". paflyrman ----- Original Message ----- From: gettysburg9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:18 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Source for AF resistance values? Is there any one source which provides the resistance values for various AF armatures, fields, turnouts, etc? Just wondering as it sure would come in handy. Thanks again guys (and gals). Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51744	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Air Chime brakes?

TUBS...????????????......By Chance do you mean TUBES....I hgope so cause its hard to read.. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Not all the tubs are the same. You may have a bad tub, but you may cut them open to reajust the gaps. Also clean them too. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51745	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: relay

Does anyone know of a source for a relay with time delay which I could us to activate a flasher/crossing gate? Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51746	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Reference Section Needed

We seem to have a lot of new members on this list who are unfamiliar with all of the publications that have been put out over the years covering American Flyer, as evidenced by the questions that keep getting asked over and over. I think it would be a great idea to add a reference section like "files", "Photos", etc, listing all of these books, dvds, what have you, along with a brief description of what they cover, and whether or not they are still in print. From that, members can develop their own reference library if they choose. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51747	From: ctbigboy	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: relay

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "dwightlehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know of a source for a relay with time delay which I could > us to activate a flasher/crossing gate? > Dwight > Dallee Electronics web site: http://www.dallee.com/site_index.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51748	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: SHS 2008 Christmas Car QC problem....

Yesterday we determined that there is a slight problem with our 2008 Christmas Car. It seems that our friends in the factory taped the zamac centersill too deep for the 1.6 X 6 mm truck screws. If the truck screw is tightened, the truck will not swivel. So, instead of using longer screws, someone decided not to tighten them fully so the truck could swivel. Short term assembly problem solved, but long term "screws unloosening and falling out" problem. A drop of blue loktight would have worked much better. If you do not have blue loktight, we will be offering longer screws in the near future to remedy this problem. Sorry that I have to send this e-mail. Happy New Year, Don and Robin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51749	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Source for AF resistance values?

Paul: You can get that book at http://www.trainrefs.com <http://www.trainrefs.com/> (check, MO and even PayPal), or on Ebay (PayPal only per the new regs), or from several parts dealers. Happy New Year every one ! Bob Hannon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51750	From: rinphoto@everestkc.net	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: I'm A Bit Confused. Please Help.

Another disadvantage of allowing attachments is that some software may see them as viruses and just strip them anyway. And in fact through no fault of the sender, they may in fact pick up viruses as they are just passed along. Since I am on Mac I am not as concerned about viruses (keeping fingers crossed here), but all our Windows-based friends need to be constantly on the alert. Roy Inman on 12/30/08 9:12 PM, Dale Smith at dfsmith26@... wrote: > > > > Yahoo groups does let you send attachments, but it is at the option of > the list owner. If I recall, this option was not available at the time > this list was started, but definitely is now, as I belong to other > groups that do allow photos. The downside of allowing photos and other > attachments is that it slows down downloads for those with slow internet > connections. I raise the issue as to whether it might be time to > consider allowing attachments, considering the greater prevalence of > high speed connections. I think the albums are fine for photos of > lasting interest, but there are many of that are only of passing > interest, that could simply be viewed and discarded by the members as > they see fit. > > Dale Smith > > Jim Hannawald wrote: >> > >> > Mike, >> > >> > Yahoo groups does not let you send attached files on an email to the >> > group. You need to put them in the Photo section of the S-Trains group >> > then we can see them. >> > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51751	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Air Chime brakes?

It's not really a "bad" tube.......it's one that needs cleaning and adjustment. A properly adjusted tube generator (internally) will operate the horn and not cause the engine to slow. 95% of the tubes you may come across today require adjustment. It's unusual to come across a perfectly-working one after all these years of use and/or oxidation. We open and repair these tubes all the time, and sell repaired and guaranteed-OK tubes.. Most can be correctly repaired. The only casualties are usually due to completely burned contacts. <<<But when the train is rolling, pressing the air chime button cuts track voltage. In fact it can be used as an emergency stop I'm pretty certain that it is wired up properly. The transformer controls train speed as it should, except when pressing the horn button. What do you think? Bad tube? Bad button?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51752	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Source for AF resistance values?

Right out of our online Parts Catalog. PUBLICATIONS (ID: 2382) BOOK: American Flyer Electrical Reference Manual; R Hannon; (armature, field, & solenoid specs). $25.00 <http://64.251.10.24/~worldofw/cgi-bin/shoppl.pl/SID=201320962/page=shop .html/buy=1/item=2336> <<<<Is there any one source which provides the resistance values for various AF armatures, fields, turnouts, etc? Just wondering as it sure would come in handy.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.sgaugetrains.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com> www.flyerparts.com <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data \Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51753	From: Tim Benner	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Air Chime brakes?

That's good to know. Thanks. I was just on your site to put together a parts order. I'll have to check out your airchime tubes if I can't get this one going. Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > It's not really a "bad" tube.......it's one that needs cleaning and > adjustment. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51754	From: Nick Kulp	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: relay

Hi Dwight,   ===== Does anyone know of a source for a relay with time delay which I could us to activate a flasher/crossing gate? Dwight ======   It isn't exactly a relay but I do have a suggestion.   Bruce Chubb, www.jlcenterprises.net  makes a crossing gate controller with electronic bell that will operate a Tortoise stall motor for the gates and flash a pair crossing flashers using LEDs. The kit can be gotten from Don Woods at easeeinterface@.... All you need to do is to have your gates and crossbucks with LEDs installed. The instructions are very easy to follow and the circuit can be set up with multiple activation points. It also has multiple methods of operation once it is activated. They are selectable by using different dip switch settings on the control board.   The sound chip is optional but it does sound great if you decide to go with that option.   Regards, Nick Kulp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51755	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Air Chime brakes?

Even a klutz like me has cleaned tube generators. Just take a shape xacto knife and cut the tube along the edge of the bottom of the cardboard if cardboard for a clean cut. Then you will see two pieces of metal contacts that rub together. Clean in-between and test. If fine, take some glue, as I use a toothpick or something I got for the car, to touch up paint, and slide the tube back on. I have never opened a generator that has a metal tube, so maybe a dremel to cut it open the same way? And believe, I have blown up enough things to keep Doug Peck busy. LOL Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51756	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: relay

This is to the group that have more back ground in wiring. Would a four way flasher work out of a car? Or would that 12 volt flasher burn out, but could you drop the 16V to 12V on the switch side, and run the 16V on to the flasher side of the switch? Or would it just blink fast? The newer ones could just dump the load. How about the older ones from the 70's or when they first came out? I do know that Bachmann trains had some cheap ones out, and you could gut out the works to do the job. Clayton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51757	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Reference Section Needed

I think that would be a great idea too, however, just about all the books I have on AF, as many of you have them too, are long out of print. but they can be found if you look hard enough, like on ebay or on used book store sites. Amazon has books listed from used stores and google is a good way to search. And they could be sold for premier prices. I have a book on breeding angel fish from the 1970's that I got for 5 dollars new. it is out of print, as I saw one once on Amazon for 150.00! Lots of books on breeding angel fish in print, but that is really weird. but I am sure someone brought it. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51758	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Bushings

In a message dated 12/31/2008 2:02:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, lou342ac@... writes: I have several steam engines that need to have wheel bushings installed Lou, You must have engines made in '46 or 47???? My machinist has in the past installed chassis bushings on several 3 axle chassis. I'll ask him IF he will do it again. He made the bushings also. We also do the diesel chassis. Moving into "better" digs, so may take a few days to respond. Jim "wishing ALL a HAPPY NEW YEAR" Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51759	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Bushings

The bushings are different, Lou. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 12/31/2008 12:02:38 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, lou342ac@... writes: I have several steam engines that need to have wheel bushings installed. Can you use the bushings sold for diesels for a steam engine chasis? Thanks, Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51760	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: relay with time delay

Does anyone know of a source for a relay with time delay which I could us to activate a flasher/crossing gate? Dwight Dwight: what are you doing??? Hold the gate or flasher on long after the train trips the pressure switch ? A capacitor on a DC relay will work. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51761	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Another wife story

My wife started with the company that I worked for 4 years after I had been there. One day she asked a coworker about that fancy green Firebird that was parked way out at the end of the parking lot all by itself that always took up three spaces. The coworker pointed to me sitting back in a corner going over my work and introduced us. Three years later she became my wife and life partner. Many of our "dates" were spent on car cruises through the countryside following old railroads that were within years of being torn up and abandoned.Now to bring in the American Flyer part of the story, fast forward to Christmas 1983. My dear had spent all of December shopping for toys for my son who was 2&1/2. The tree was decorated, the presents wrapped beautifully, and everything was all set..... Except...The nights before Christmas I had dug out my old 283, a few cars and some track. I knew the train had worked 20 years before and should still work now. I oiled the engine, got it to run forward, and on Christmas eve I set it up under the family room dining table that we seldom used. Christmas morning I went downstairs, turned on the train, and my wife and I woke our son in anticipation of a wonderful morning. The little guy heard the train, raced to the room where it was running, did a belly flop in his little pajamas with the feet, and skidded right up to the train. He was messmerized and wouldn't leave. I had to finally turn the train off and order him to come and open his presents. My wife sure was upset! She was almost in tears complaining later in the day about how she had spent all of that planning, time, and money and all our son wanted to do was play with my damned old train! After all of these years I still have the wife, that old Firebird, and my son and I still run that damned old train. I have been blessed.Happy new year everyone! Ernie Mennecke, Wheaton, IL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51762	From: John Sage	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Happy New Year

Good Evening Everyone,   Diane and I are spending a quiet evening at home.  What a blessing.   I want to wish all of my "new" S Gauge friends "Happy New Year".   I hope I get to meet some of you in person during these few months/years.    I am already planning for St. Louis this next year.   John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51763	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: bookcase!

http://www.atdamerican.com/atd/Shop?Dsp=30700&IID=83772 I have been searching for a decent looking bookcase that I can use in my train room to store excess train cars and engines. In looking for a bookcase, I wanted to find a company that also sells extra shelves, since I am not storing books on it. I need one about 36 inches high. But now my train room will be complete when this arrives, as it is a "designer" bookcase by Kathy Ireland! LOL But who can forget her stunning performance in Alien From L.A. which was taken apart by Mystery Science Theater 3000!! Now my train room has class. As if Ms. Ireland design these bookcase. LOL Maybe I should get the Neil Young designer book case! I think he did not renew his TCA membership!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51764	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

Great story! --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Ernest Mendecke <emennecke@...> wrote: > From: Ernest Mendecke <emennecke@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Another wife story > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 9:20 AM > My wife started with the company that I worked for 4 years > after I had been there. One day she asked a coworker about > that fancy green Firebird that was parked way out at the end > of the parking lot all by itself that always took up three > spaces. The coworker pointed to me sitting back in a corner > going over my work and introduced us. Three years later she > became my wife and life partner. Many of our > "dates" were spent on car cruises through the > countryside following old railroads that were within years > of being torn up and abandoned.Now to bring in the American > Flyer part of the story, fast forward to Christmas 1983. My > dear had spent all of December shopping for toys for my son > who was 2&1/2. The tree was decorated, the presents > wrapped beautifully, and everything was all set..... > Except...The nights before Christmas I had dug out my old > 283, a few cars and some track. I knew the train had worked > 20 years before and should still work now. I oiled the > engine, got it to run forward, and on Christmas eve I set it > up under the family room dining table that we seldom used. > Christmas morning I went downstairs, turned on the train, > and my wife and I woke our son in anticipation of a > wonderful morning. The little guy heard the train, raced to > the room where it was running, did a belly flop in his > little pajamas with the feet, and skidded right up to the > train. He was messmerized and wouldn't leave. I had to > finally turn the train off and order him to come and open > his presents. My wife sure was upset! She was almost in > tears complaining later in the day about how she had spent > all of that planning, time, and money and all our son wanted > to do was play with my damned old train! > After all of these years I still have the wife, that old > Firebird, and my son and I still run that damned old train. > I have been blessed.Happy new year everyone! Ernie > Mennecke, Wheaton, IL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51765	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Bushings

Jim, and Lou did they just dril in the casting then put the shaft in that? Or did they put bushings in, and I am talking about 46 - 47 ish? Clayton --- On Wed, 12/31/08, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: > From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bushings > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 9:06 AM > In a message dated 12/31/2008 2:02:19 AM Eastern Standard > Time, > lou342ac@... writes: > > I have several steam engines that need to have wheel > bushings installed > > Lou, > > You must have engines made in '46 or 47???? > > My machinist has in the past installed chassis bushings on > several 3 axle > chassis. I'll ask him IF he will do it again. He made > the bushings also. We > also do the diesel chassis. Moving into "better" > digs, so may take a few days > to respond. > > Jim "wishing ALL a HAPPY NEW YEAR" Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51766	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Reference Section Needed

Send your favorite references to me and I'd be happy to add them to the existing bibliography on TheGilbertGallery.org:         http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/bibliography.html --- On Wed, 12/31/08, paflyrman <hblanier@...> wrote: From: paflyrman <hblanier@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Reference Section Needed To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:43 AM We seem to have a lot of new members on this list who are unfamiliar with all of the publications that have been put out over the years covering American Flyer, as evidenced by the questions that keep getting asked over and over. I think it would be a great idea to add a reference section like "files", "Photos", etc, listing all of these books, dvds, what have you, along with a brief description of what they cover, and whether or not they are still in print. From that, members can develop their own reference library if they choose. paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51767	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Best wishes...

Happy New Year, y'all! We're just sittin' here in Appalachia, stayin' in tonight and not endangerin' ourselves in the 12 degree and snow goin' on here! Ain't gonna' miss the drunken morons out on the road either! (Not that they're that much worse than the usual morons on the road these days!) May we all have a better 2009 that ol' 2008 is endin' up! Stumpy Stone...Appalachia Flyer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51768	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

I have written about this before, but it might be a good time to write about it again. I had AF trains as a kid, as I was lucky to get one of the 1958 rare sets, that I still have today, minus the set box! Oh well, can't have every thing. LOL But I got into HO mainly as I have those still today, as I got my first HO set on 12-22-65 as a 10 yr old from a Korvette's in Rockville, MD as it was a Varney set. AF, Korvettes and varney are all gone today. Anyway, my wife and i are into collecting milk bottles that lead us to back to AF in 1991. Classic Trains magazine had a story about a AF layout that had a ton of Plasticville on it, including 3,023,983 phonebooths by Plasticville. Actually 95 or so. My wife was intringe by all the phonebooths, as we then joined TCA in 1992 and she was on a tear to find Plasticville phonebooths. At the time they where very hard to find and the ones we did fine went for 35 dollars each. She found 9 of them that year, as we decided that was enough for a future layout. Years later the "market" on phone booths opened up and did a complete crash just like the stock this year, at 34 %, but the phone booth market crashed down to 12 dollars!!! A 66% percent drop in price and we are all worried about the stock market! LOL We will never recoup that money, as last year, we found 10 reproductions for 5 apiece! So now ever building on my layout has a phonebooth including the barn!! as far as the price of the phonebooth are concern, who cares, as it was fun looking for them, as i have wasted enough money on things will never use on the layout like all the AF track i got that never used. LOL No, I think I will keep her, as she scorekeeps baseball games pretty good too, as she is downstairs watching the Chic Fil Bowl. Oh, someone asked about meeting women, etc. I met her the day Ronald Regan was shot on 3-30-82 at the same time at mental hospital!!! No, she was not a patient as I was not either. She was a intern in the diet office and I was a food salesperson, so you never know when something happens. We have been married for 26 years and she loves the trains. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51769	From: Ed	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Reference Section Needed

Hi All, I wish you all a Happy New Year for 2009. And, at this time we should all thank Robert Graves for all he has done for the hobby with the theupstairstrain web pages. He has gone well above and beyond to create this excellent resource. This is available to all those on our list as well as the general public and is a great resource for those new and old to the world of "S". I really feel he deserves some kind of recognization from the NASG for this effort. When I first met Robert a few years ago, I told him that in time if he continued with this, he would become an expert. He didn't think that would happen. Look at it now. I also want to thank all who helped support Robert with pictures and maybe some financial support. He wouldn't have been able to create this masterpiece in such a short time without you. He has one of those excellent wives that we have been honoring this last week. We would also like to thank all those earlier gentlemen who had started the collection of the history of AC Gilbert trains and made this easier to put together for Robert. There are still holes that need to be filled and Robert would surely appreciate any additional help to upgrade the webpages. Thanks again for all you have done Robert, Ed Eckert -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:23 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reference Section Needed Send your favorite references to me and I'd be happy to add them to the existing bibliography on TheGilbertGallery.org: http://www.geocitie <http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/bibliography.html> s.com/theupstairstrain/bibliography.html --- On Wed, 12/31/08, paflyrman <hblanier@embarqmail <mailto:hblanier%40embarqmail.com> .com> wrote: From: paflyrman <hblanier@embarqmail <mailto:hblanier%40embarqmail.com> .com> Subject: [S-Trains] Reference Section Needed To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:43 AM We seem to have a lot of new members on this list who are unfamiliar with all of the publications that have been put out over the years covering American Flyer, as evidenced by the questions that keep getting asked over and over. I think it would be a great idea to add a reference section like "files", "Photos", etc, listing all of these books, dvds, what have you, along with a brief description of what they cover, and whether or not they are still in print. From that, members can develop their own reference library if they choose. paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 51770	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Another wife story

If you wife had bought 2000 phone booths, and then you experienced the 66% drop, you would then have something like my 401k drop. I am not quite feeling your pain on the "9". :-) > > Years later the "market" on phone booths opened up and did a complete crash just like the stock this year, at 34 %, but the phone booth market crashed down to 12 dollars!!! A 66% percent drop in price and we are all worried about the stock market! LOL >